1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:03,625 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:03,625 --> 00:00:06,208 - When I walk into my house, I do think, 3 00:00:06,208 --> 00:00:09,875 "Oh my God, all this stuff." 4 00:00:09,875 --> 00:00:12,042 - Linda living with us is the closest thing 5 00:00:12,042 --> 00:00:13,750 to a nightmare, a living nightmare. 6 00:00:15,083 --> 00:00:16,958 - You can't live here. You cannot stay in this. 7 00:00:16,958 --> 00:00:18,125 - Am I over there? 8 00:00:18,125 --> 00:00:19,875 - [Cory] Linda, don't get nasty to us. 9 00:00:19,875 --> 00:00:21,875 - I want that. - I know. 10 00:00:21,875 --> 00:00:23,167 I heard the first time. 11 00:00:23,167 --> 00:00:24,917 - Don't talk to me, Mackenzie. 12 00:00:24,917 --> 00:00:27,125 Get somebody else over here besides her. 13 00:00:28,792 --> 00:00:30,667 This is not the way I want it out. 14 00:00:30,667 --> 00:00:32,708 [dramatic music] 15 00:00:33,958 --> 00:00:36,417 - There's mold, there's insects, rodents. 16 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:38,375 So we have to deal with all of this 17 00:00:38,375 --> 00:00:39,958 while we get the home cleaned out. 18 00:00:39,958 --> 00:00:42,167 And I really am afraid when we're done 19 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:45,083 of what's gonna be left of an actual home. 20 00:00:45,083 --> 00:00:46,333 - Having your stuff, your things 21 00:00:46,333 --> 00:00:47,958 has been more important than me 22 00:00:47,958 --> 00:00:49,375 living in a clean house. - I took you everywhere. 23 00:00:49,375 --> 00:00:50,917 - I don't think you took me everywhere. 24 00:00:50,917 --> 00:00:52,458 That doesn't mean (bleep)-- - Okay. 25 00:00:52,458 --> 00:00:54,750 - To what I've had to live in and grow up in. 26 00:00:54,750 --> 00:00:55,833 - Okay. 27 00:00:55,833 --> 00:00:57,250 - I had enough of it growing up. 28 00:00:57,250 --> 00:00:58,958 I'm sick of this (bleep). 29 00:00:58,958 --> 00:01:01,292 [pensive music] 30 00:01:53,625 --> 00:01:56,208 [pensive music] 31 00:02:01,542 --> 00:02:04,333 - I'm Linda and I live in Satellite Beach, Florida. 32 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:09,042 I have been a hoarder for a while. 33 00:02:09,042 --> 00:02:11,458 [dramatic music] 34 00:02:15,875 --> 00:02:18,583 Well, we moved here in '94, 35 00:02:19,542 --> 00:02:24,375 so I started collecting some things 36 00:02:24,375 --> 00:02:26,833 and trying to give them to people. 37 00:02:28,250 --> 00:02:32,458 But, nobody wants this crap. 38 00:02:36,125 --> 00:02:38,958 When I walk into my house, I do think, 39 00:02:38,958 --> 00:02:43,542 oh my God, you know, all this stuff. 40 00:02:43,542 --> 00:02:46,750 And still, I go out and buy more. 41 00:02:46,750 --> 00:02:50,375 I just throw it on the pile, outta sight outta mind. 42 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:57,042 I have all kinds of things. 43 00:02:57,042 --> 00:02:59,292 I mean, clothes. I love clothes. 44 00:02:59,292 --> 00:03:00,958 I love jewelry. 45 00:03:00,958 --> 00:03:03,250 I have a lot of ceramic, 46 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:06,250 a lot of beautiful collectible things. 47 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:08,208 They're valuable. 48 00:03:08,208 --> 00:03:11,750 I'm always in this fantasy world of, 49 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:15,167 you know, thinking I'm gonna be able to display them 50 00:03:15,167 --> 00:03:16,750 and live in a nice place. 51 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:20,042 And I guess that's in the back of my head, 52 00:03:20,042 --> 00:03:22,625 even though reality, I know that 53 00:03:24,625 --> 00:03:27,250 that's not what I'm going home to. 54 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:31,542 Of accumulating all this and doing it for so long 55 00:03:31,542 --> 00:03:36,542 and having so much, it's not a good feeling. 56 00:03:36,542 --> 00:03:40,708 It's a good thing to feel like you've got this great deal 57 00:03:40,708 --> 00:03:43,125 and it's something so nice when you buy it. 58 00:03:43,125 --> 00:03:44,583 But then it fades. 59 00:03:44,583 --> 00:03:48,333 A few seconds of feeling good and then gone. 60 00:03:50,042 --> 00:03:52,833 - I'm Zach. I'm Linda's son. 61 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:55,708 Unfortunately, yes, my mother is a hoarder. 62 00:03:56,833 --> 00:04:00,875 Been a struggle, at least my whole life. 63 00:04:00,875 --> 00:04:02,917 Today my mom's house is in, 64 00:04:04,875 --> 00:04:06,208 it's in ruin. 65 00:04:07,375 --> 00:04:08,583 When you walk in, 66 00:04:08,583 --> 00:04:11,458 there's a little cleared space in the living room 67 00:04:11,458 --> 00:04:14,333 that I cleaned up recently, 68 00:04:14,333 --> 00:04:16,292 but you don't have to go very far 69 00:04:16,292 --> 00:04:20,417 before you're climbing up a mountain of garbage 70 00:04:20,417 --> 00:04:25,042 to every corner, end of the house, everywhere. 71 00:04:25,042 --> 00:04:29,500 Kitchen, walking on a pile of garbage and cans, 72 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:31,833 hallway, you get elevated. 73 00:04:31,833 --> 00:04:34,792 Then you try to go to my room and you're so elevated 74 00:04:34,792 --> 00:04:38,458 that your head's basically touching the ceiling. 75 00:04:38,458 --> 00:04:41,375 It's just overwhelming. 76 00:04:41,375 --> 00:04:43,833 [tense music] 77 00:04:49,583 --> 00:04:52,875 - I would feed the wild cats. 78 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:56,708 - The cats that lived in and out of the place as well, 79 00:04:56,708 --> 00:05:00,208 and having animals defecate and use the restroom in there. 80 00:05:00,208 --> 00:05:01,458 It just 81 00:05:02,417 --> 00:05:06,917 turned into a solidified pile of garbage. 82 00:05:06,917 --> 00:05:09,917 It's almost like you're walking into a landfill. 83 00:05:12,917 --> 00:05:15,292 - I'm Scott, I'm 60 years old, 84 00:05:15,292 --> 00:05:17,417 and I used to be married to Linda. 85 00:05:17,417 --> 00:05:18,708 I came in there one time 86 00:05:18,708 --> 00:05:20,583 to find her sleeping underneath the blanket. 87 00:05:20,583 --> 00:05:23,333 She would, you know, 'cause there were bugs 88 00:05:23,333 --> 00:05:25,708 running around everywhere, on top of this stuff. 89 00:05:25,708 --> 00:05:29,417 And she had laid a sheet out on top of the pile in the room 90 00:05:29,417 --> 00:05:30,917 where she was staying in. 91 00:05:30,917 --> 00:05:33,583 And then she would cover herself up with another sheet, 92 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:36,417 I guess, to keep bugs from running over top of her. 93 00:05:36,417 --> 00:05:38,083 You know, that's when I found her 94 00:05:38,083 --> 00:05:40,875 in that most horrible condition. 95 00:05:40,875 --> 00:05:44,583 Said, "You can't live here. You cannot stay in this." 96 00:05:46,875 --> 00:05:49,792 - I'm Mackenzie and I am Zach's fiance. 97 00:05:50,958 --> 00:05:54,667 Zach and I were concerned about many hazards. 98 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:58,000 We weren't sure how well the electric was working. 99 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,667 We didn't know where she was going to the bathroom. 100 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:03,833 We saw what she was walking on 101 00:06:03,833 --> 00:06:07,792 and had no idea what she could possibly be sleeping on. 102 00:06:07,792 --> 00:06:11,208 And it finally came to term where we were like, 103 00:06:11,208 --> 00:06:13,333 she can't stay here. 104 00:06:13,333 --> 00:06:15,583 We saw that she had a really bad cough 105 00:06:15,583 --> 00:06:17,625 and she was having difficulty walking. 106 00:06:17,625 --> 00:06:20,375 She just didn't look like she was okay. 107 00:06:20,375 --> 00:06:22,083 Like she was feeling okay. 108 00:06:22,083 --> 00:06:23,250 And we said, you know, 109 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:25,042 "We might not have a lot of space, 110 00:06:25,042 --> 00:06:29,958 but it's safer and we can monitor her physical condition 111 00:06:29,958 --> 00:06:31,208 if she's with us." 112 00:06:31,208 --> 00:06:33,583 [somber music] 113 00:06:42,917 --> 00:06:46,625 - Yes, they are affected by my hoarding 114 00:06:46,625 --> 00:06:48,833 because I am living with them. 115 00:06:50,625 --> 00:06:54,250 - Linda living with us is the closest thing to a nightmare, 116 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:55,708 a living nightmare. 117 00:06:55,708 --> 00:06:59,958 She has no respect of any boundaries that we put down. 118 00:06:59,958 --> 00:07:03,042 And anytime we confront her about certain issues, 119 00:07:03,042 --> 00:07:05,333 such as keeping her bed clean, 120 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:07,208 or putting things in the closet, 121 00:07:07,208 --> 00:07:09,792 or putting dishes away, it's a fight. 122 00:07:09,792 --> 00:07:13,167 It's always going to break out into some sort of argument. 123 00:07:13,167 --> 00:07:16,625 - It's extremely frustrating to have her living with us, 124 00:07:16,625 --> 00:07:19,458 you know, but there's not much I can do about it 125 00:07:19,458 --> 00:07:21,875 'cause she can't live in that house. 126 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:24,458 [tense music] 127 00:07:32,875 --> 00:07:35,208 - I found out that there was a Code Enforcement issue 128 00:07:35,208 --> 00:07:38,708 that did get dealt with back in 2009 129 00:07:38,708 --> 00:07:42,375 and another one at some point, I think maybe it was 2012. 130 00:07:42,375 --> 00:07:43,875 And I found out from other people 131 00:07:43,875 --> 00:07:46,583 that if they have fines against you, 132 00:07:46,583 --> 00:07:49,708 they could turn into liens and they add interest onto it. 133 00:07:49,708 --> 00:07:52,792 You could end up having huge liens from the county. 134 00:07:52,792 --> 00:07:57,542 - Recently, Code Enforcement has gotten onto Linda 135 00:07:57,542 --> 00:08:00,375 about the foliage and coverage of the house 136 00:08:00,375 --> 00:08:02,833 and the fact that it has not been maintained, 137 00:08:02,833 --> 00:08:05,292 and about the condition of the front of the house 138 00:08:05,292 --> 00:08:07,875 and the state that it looks in. 139 00:08:07,875 --> 00:08:10,208 [tense music] 140 00:08:17,333 --> 00:08:21,208 - I went to my boyfriend's condo. 141 00:08:21,208 --> 00:08:22,792 Somebody opened the door. 142 00:08:22,792 --> 00:08:25,542 He had somebody in there with him and it made me very upset 143 00:08:25,542 --> 00:08:27,583 and I was yelling at him 144 00:08:27,583 --> 00:08:30,458 and he was yelling at me and he hit me. 145 00:08:30,458 --> 00:08:33,750 And that's how the eye injury occurred, 146 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:36,083 which blocked out my vision. 147 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:40,917 It affected me psychologically very seriously 148 00:08:40,917 --> 00:08:45,708 because I never took my vision for granted. 149 00:08:45,708 --> 00:08:48,542 Even the doctor that I was sent to 150 00:08:48,542 --> 00:08:51,875 wasn't very sympathetic or kind to me. 151 00:08:51,875 --> 00:08:54,417 He didn't even tell me that, 152 00:08:54,417 --> 00:08:57,125 I was thinking that maybe it was gonna heal 153 00:08:57,125 --> 00:09:00,167 and it was a tear in the center of the vision. 154 00:09:00,167 --> 00:09:02,542 So it was never going to heal. 155 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:04,958 [tense music] 156 00:09:09,375 --> 00:09:11,833 I had carried him for about three months 157 00:09:11,833 --> 00:09:16,125 and looking forward to having, you know, 158 00:09:16,125 --> 00:09:18,875 very much looking so excited 159 00:09:18,875 --> 00:09:20,583 as I found myself in the hospital, 160 00:09:20,583 --> 00:09:22,000 all of a sudden, you know, 161 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,875 they're delivering this very premature baby. 162 00:09:24,875 --> 00:09:28,333 At the time, wasn't any kind of machines. 163 00:09:28,333 --> 00:09:30,875 You pumped the air into the baby. 164 00:09:32,083 --> 00:09:35,667 So there, you know, 165 00:09:36,958 --> 00:09:38,458 he died. 166 00:09:38,458 --> 00:09:41,875 [somber music] 167 00:09:47,417 --> 00:09:49,167 Soon after I married Scott, 168 00:09:49,167 --> 00:09:52,292 I realized that I couldn't help him 169 00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:55,792 get control of his drinking, that he wasn't going to stop. 170 00:09:55,792 --> 00:09:59,583 And I realized that I made an awful, horrible mistake, 171 00:09:59,583 --> 00:10:02,208 but didn't do anything about it. 172 00:10:10,917 --> 00:10:13,292 I think that that had a lot to contribute to it. 173 00:10:13,292 --> 00:10:14,875 Yes, I do. 174 00:10:14,875 --> 00:10:16,875 'Cause I wanted to get away 175 00:10:16,875 --> 00:10:19,125 and that was the only 176 00:10:20,208 --> 00:10:21,667 outlet I had. 177 00:10:23,042 --> 00:10:26,667 - It didn't matter if I was drinking or I was staying sober, 178 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:28,625 her behavior continued. 179 00:10:28,625 --> 00:10:30,708 You know, if I drank, it was just a disaster 180 00:10:30,708 --> 00:10:32,042 because, you know, 181 00:10:32,042 --> 00:10:34,875 one mental obsession feeds off the other one 182 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:36,917 like codependency, you know. 183 00:10:36,917 --> 00:10:40,042 - The way he grew up with everything neat, 184 00:10:40,042 --> 00:10:41,542 tidy and in order. 185 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:44,042 He didn't do well with that hoarding stuff. 186 00:10:44,042 --> 00:10:45,208 And so that would, 187 00:10:46,208 --> 00:10:48,375 it certainly didn't help his drinking problem. 188 00:10:48,375 --> 00:10:50,625 It probably exacerbated it. 189 00:10:51,792 --> 00:10:53,750 And so they would fight and argue. 190 00:10:55,042 --> 00:10:57,292 [solemn music] 191 00:11:00,417 --> 00:11:02,417 I used to have a lot of resentment 192 00:11:02,417 --> 00:11:04,083 towards both my parents. 193 00:11:04,083 --> 00:11:08,208 Felt like I never had a normal childhood, 194 00:11:08,208 --> 00:11:10,958 like a lot of my friends who lived in clean houses 195 00:11:10,958 --> 00:11:13,208 that didn't look anything like mine. 196 00:11:13,208 --> 00:11:16,542 - We couldn't invite people over 'cause our house was a disaster. 197 00:11:16,542 --> 00:11:18,083 His clothes had smelled, you know, 198 00:11:18,083 --> 00:11:19,958 that smell gets into everything 199 00:11:19,958 --> 00:11:23,125 and people can smell it, you know? 200 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:25,875 And yeah, he was embarrassed all the time 201 00:11:25,875 --> 00:11:27,833 and I felt so bad for him. 202 00:11:27,833 --> 00:11:30,667 And I was like, I felt, you know, 203 00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:33,375 like I was failing him a lot of times. 204 00:11:35,208 --> 00:11:38,708 - Zach was too embarrassed to bring his friends home 205 00:11:38,708 --> 00:11:42,125 because of the hoarding situation. 206 00:11:42,125 --> 00:11:45,292 I felt ashamed of what I was doing, 207 00:11:45,292 --> 00:11:50,208 but yet it was like I was just driven to buy. 208 00:11:50,208 --> 00:11:52,333 [tense music] 209 00:11:59,125 --> 00:12:01,042 - If she doesn't clean this place up, 210 00:12:01,042 --> 00:12:03,958 most likely the county will condemn the house 211 00:12:03,958 --> 00:12:06,333 and she'll lose everything. 212 00:12:06,333 --> 00:12:08,000 The house was paid off, 213 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,042 the mortgage was just paid off recently last year. 214 00:12:13,042 --> 00:12:16,083 And it seems like it all for nothing 215 00:12:17,042 --> 00:12:19,042 to have it just taken away. 216 00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:35,333 - I don't want my house condemned. 217 00:12:35,333 --> 00:12:39,042 I really want it cleaned up and fixed for my son 218 00:12:39,042 --> 00:12:43,250 and future daughter-in-law and my grandson, 219 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:47,000 so that they could live here close to the beach. 220 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,625 It's a very nice location. 221 00:12:49,625 --> 00:12:52,000 [dramatic music] 222 00:12:57,875 --> 00:12:59,667 - Hi. - Hi. 223 00:12:59,667 --> 00:13:00,708 - How are you? 224 00:13:00,708 --> 00:13:01,917 - Linda? - Yes. 225 00:13:01,917 --> 00:13:03,833 - I'm Dr. Dinorah Nieves, how are you? 226 00:13:03,833 --> 00:13:05,667 - I'm fine. It's so nice to meet you. 227 00:13:05,667 --> 00:13:06,750 - Nice to meet you too. 228 00:13:06,750 --> 00:13:08,583 You can call me Dr. D. - Okay, I will. 229 00:13:08,583 --> 00:13:10,458 - Everybody does. - Alright. 230 00:13:10,458 --> 00:13:13,875 - My name is Dr. Dinorah Nieves and I'm a behavioral scientist. 231 00:13:13,875 --> 00:13:16,542 So I wanted to come and knock on your door, 232 00:13:16,542 --> 00:13:18,375 but I heard you're not living here? 233 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:21,667 - No, I've been staying at my son's 234 00:13:21,667 --> 00:13:23,417 for a little over a year. 235 00:13:23,417 --> 00:13:26,125 - Okay. Why are we not living in our home? 236 00:13:26,125 --> 00:13:28,750 - Because my house is full of clutter 237 00:13:28,750 --> 00:13:33,542 and it's really not livable anymore 238 00:13:33,542 --> 00:13:34,625 for me to be in the home. 239 00:13:34,625 --> 00:13:36,375 - Not livable? - Not really. 240 00:13:36,375 --> 00:13:38,958 - How long have you lived in this home? 241 00:13:38,958 --> 00:13:41,542 - We bought the home in 1994. 242 00:13:41,542 --> 00:13:44,625 - Okay. So you lived here for a decent amount of time 243 00:13:44,625 --> 00:13:47,542 before you actually moved out to your son's house. 244 00:13:47,542 --> 00:13:49,583 - Right, right. 245 00:13:49,583 --> 00:13:51,458 It was just time to get me out. 246 00:13:51,458 --> 00:13:53,042 And my son is very kind. 247 00:13:53,042 --> 00:13:54,542 - Yeah. - Good person. 248 00:13:54,542 --> 00:13:57,125 He didn't want me to be here and I shouldn't be here. 249 00:13:57,125 --> 00:13:58,708 - I heard, "My house is cluttered." 250 00:13:58,708 --> 00:14:00,708 - Yes. - I heard, "It's unlivable." 251 00:14:00,708 --> 00:14:02,667 I heard, "I don't feel comfortable." 252 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:04,250 - Right. - I heard, "My son is very kind 253 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:06,042 and he knew I couldn't stay here." 254 00:14:06,042 --> 00:14:08,458 - Yes. - So what's in the house? 255 00:14:08,458 --> 00:14:10,875 Because I feel like there's something you're not-- 256 00:14:10,875 --> 00:14:12,042 There's a lot of things you said, 257 00:14:12,042 --> 00:14:13,208 there's some things you're not saying. 258 00:14:13,208 --> 00:14:15,125 - Well, there's a lot of things that, you know, 259 00:14:15,125 --> 00:14:16,875 I've collected over the years 260 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:20,833 and I just sort of throw them on top of each other. 261 00:14:20,833 --> 00:14:22,917 - So I have my boots, I have my mask. 262 00:14:22,917 --> 00:14:25,208 Why don't you take me in and let's take a peek? 263 00:14:25,208 --> 00:14:27,208 - Okay. If we can get through there, you know, 264 00:14:27,208 --> 00:14:28,708 I just want you to be safe. 265 00:14:28,708 --> 00:14:31,042 - Take me into the living room. Let's see where we can start. 266 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:32,500 - Okay, yeah. You can see from there. 267 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:34,917 - Okay. - Come on in, now. 268 00:14:37,208 --> 00:14:41,917 Ugh. It's worse than I could possibly imagine, 269 00:14:41,917 --> 00:14:43,000 than I remembered. 270 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,208 - I want you to stay there 271 00:14:44,208 --> 00:14:46,750 because I'm gonna look at you. - Okay. 272 00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:48,792 - Because I'm here to support you. 273 00:14:48,792 --> 00:14:51,750 And you're gonna look at what you've created. 274 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:54,000 - [Linda] I'm looking and I'm grossed out. 275 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,208 - When we were outside, you said to me, 276 00:14:56,208 --> 00:14:58,292 "Dr. D, the living room's not so bad." 277 00:14:58,292 --> 00:14:59,375 - No, its bad. 278 00:14:59,375 --> 00:15:00,417 - Yeah. - Yeah. 279 00:15:00,417 --> 00:15:02,500 It's worse than I could even imagine. 280 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:06,000 It's worse than I recall. 281 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,625 Looking at it now, it's horrible. 282 00:15:08,625 --> 00:15:10,792 Very, very, very painful 283 00:15:10,792 --> 00:15:13,542 to look at all this garbage everywhere. 284 00:15:13,542 --> 00:15:16,375 - One of the things that Linda repeated over and over 285 00:15:16,375 --> 00:15:19,083 when we spoke is that she's in pain. 286 00:15:19,083 --> 00:15:21,208 That this is very painful for her. 287 00:15:21,208 --> 00:15:25,417 And she continued to use that to describe her experience, 288 00:15:25,417 --> 00:15:26,500 looking at the hoard. 289 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:28,833 And it was just very saddening to me 290 00:15:28,833 --> 00:15:32,042 to watch her look at this hoard, 291 00:15:32,042 --> 00:15:34,333 come to terms with what she's created 292 00:15:34,333 --> 00:15:38,583 and describe her experience in her own home as painful. 293 00:15:39,833 --> 00:15:41,042 So I wanna respect that you said, 294 00:15:41,042 --> 00:15:42,458 "I don't wanna be in here," 295 00:15:42,458 --> 00:15:45,667 but part of this process is gonna be 296 00:15:45,667 --> 00:15:47,875 sitting in the discomfort. 297 00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:49,417 - [Linda] Right. 298 00:15:49,417 --> 00:15:52,833 - Because what makes it easy for this to get outta hand 299 00:15:52,833 --> 00:15:56,667 is the lie we tell ourselves about how it's not that bad. 300 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,000 - Right. - Right? 301 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,583 Which is easy to do when you're not in it. 302 00:16:00,583 --> 00:16:04,042 - It's beyond belief. 303 00:16:04,042 --> 00:16:06,208 - Are you seeing the dead possum that I'm seeing? 304 00:16:06,208 --> 00:16:08,000 - [Linda] I don't. I don't see him. 305 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,458 - Do you wanna come closer? - Not really. 306 00:16:09,458 --> 00:16:11,125 - [Dr. D.] Or do wanna trust my opinion? 307 00:16:11,125 --> 00:16:12,333 - [Linda] I trust you. 308 00:16:13,333 --> 00:16:16,083 - Linda, I want you to hear me, hold my hand. 309 00:16:16,083 --> 00:16:18,083 I want you to hear me 310 00:16:18,083 --> 00:16:21,833 because I need you to understand why I'm pointing this out. 311 00:16:21,833 --> 00:16:23,292 This is not to shame you. 312 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:25,875 Hear me. - Okay. 313 00:16:25,875 --> 00:16:27,375 - This is not to shame you. 314 00:16:27,375 --> 00:16:29,708 - Okay, I am ashamed. - Don't be ashamed. 315 00:16:29,708 --> 00:16:31,042 - I'm extremely ashamed. - Okay. 316 00:16:31,042 --> 00:16:32,375 Well, be whatever you need to be. 317 00:16:32,375 --> 00:16:34,333 But you don't have to be ashamed. 318 00:16:34,333 --> 00:16:38,125 But, if we don't face the truth, 319 00:16:38,125 --> 00:16:40,250 we can't make a change. - Right. 320 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:42,542 - And if you don't take responsibility, 321 00:16:42,542 --> 00:16:43,583 which you are. - Yeah. 322 00:16:43,583 --> 00:16:45,542 - But if you don't take responsibility, 323 00:16:45,542 --> 00:16:48,125 you can't lead the change. 324 00:16:48,125 --> 00:16:49,958 So that's what this process is about. 325 00:16:49,958 --> 00:16:51,042 Not to shame you. 326 00:16:51,042 --> 00:16:53,167 What's done is done. - Okay. 327 00:16:53,167 --> 00:16:58,167 - What we need to do is engrave it in our minds. 328 00:16:59,125 --> 00:17:01,875 Don't look away. Look at it. - Yeah. 329 00:17:01,875 --> 00:17:04,875 - Engrave it in your mind. 330 00:17:04,875 --> 00:17:06,667 - Yeah. It's disturbing. 331 00:17:06,667 --> 00:17:09,667 - So that it never occurs again. 332 00:17:09,667 --> 00:17:10,667 - [Linda] Right. 333 00:17:12,333 --> 00:17:14,458 - So, you and I are gonna spend a little time 334 00:17:14,458 --> 00:17:18,083 over the next few days really unpacking 335 00:17:18,083 --> 00:17:19,917 what's going on in here, 336 00:17:19,917 --> 00:17:21,500 that got you here. - Okay. 337 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:24,375 - In the meantime, before we start talking about it, 338 00:17:24,375 --> 00:17:28,042 I wanna introduce you to Cory, who's outside with Zach, 339 00:17:28,042 --> 00:17:31,375 because he's really gonna lead the charge 340 00:17:31,375 --> 00:17:34,250 of coming in here and clearing this home out. 341 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:36,042 So, I get that it's tough 342 00:17:36,042 --> 00:17:37,792 to see the light at the end of the tunnel. 343 00:17:37,792 --> 00:17:39,208 - Yes. - But that's why we're here. 344 00:17:39,208 --> 00:17:41,083 We're gonna light it and walk through it with you. 345 00:17:41,083 --> 00:17:43,833 Let's go see Cory. - Thank you, okay. 346 00:17:43,833 --> 00:17:46,958 - Linda, this is Cory. 347 00:17:46,958 --> 00:17:48,333 - Hi. Nice to meet you, Linda. 348 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,667 - Also known as my magician. - Nice to meet you. 349 00:17:50,667 --> 00:17:52,667 - I'm Cory Chalmers, an extreme cleaner 350 00:17:52,667 --> 00:17:55,667 that specializes in biohazard and hoarding. 351 00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:58,875 - And Zach, I'm Dr. D. - Dr. D, pleasure meet you. 352 00:17:58,875 --> 00:18:03,708 - So we're gonna work to help you with this hoard. 353 00:18:03,708 --> 00:18:06,292 I'm gonna help your mom unpack this situation. 354 00:18:07,667 --> 00:18:11,042 Cory's gonna help you figure out that situation. 355 00:18:12,708 --> 00:18:13,708 - Bless you. 356 00:18:14,708 --> 00:18:16,583 - Well, what are you thinking right now? 357 00:18:16,583 --> 00:18:17,667 Why are you saying that? 358 00:18:17,667 --> 00:18:19,167 You just spent some time with her in there? 359 00:18:19,167 --> 00:18:20,708 - It's just-- - What came up? 360 00:18:20,708 --> 00:18:22,958 - I'm really in a lot of pain right now 361 00:18:22,958 --> 00:18:26,292 and it's really gross and upsetting. 362 00:18:26,292 --> 00:18:28,208 - Okay. What kind of pain? - Too overwhelming. 363 00:18:28,208 --> 00:18:29,542 - Physical, emotional? Both? 364 00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:32,375 - Both. - Okay. That's good. 365 00:18:32,375 --> 00:18:34,375 I mean not, I don't mean that in a bad way. 366 00:18:34,375 --> 00:18:36,375 - No, I know. - But if you came out happy 367 00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:38,250 and loving the situation, 368 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:40,875 we probably would have a much harder time, 369 00:18:40,875 --> 00:18:42,542 you know, over the next few days. 370 00:18:42,542 --> 00:18:44,375 So, the fact that you're not happy 371 00:18:44,375 --> 00:18:47,125 with what you're seeing in there is great. 372 00:18:47,125 --> 00:18:50,208 - So how are you feeling about all of this? 373 00:18:50,208 --> 00:18:52,750 - I'm ready for it to go. 374 00:18:52,750 --> 00:18:55,292 After I left for college, I avoided this place 375 00:18:55,292 --> 00:18:57,458 and for over 10 years, 376 00:18:59,333 --> 00:19:01,042 I couldn't even really step foot on this property. 377 00:19:01,042 --> 00:19:02,792 Anytime I got near here, 378 00:19:02,792 --> 00:19:05,417 I would start like shaking a little bit, you know, 379 00:19:05,417 --> 00:19:07,000 just 'cause I-- - The trauma of it. 380 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,208 - I knew it was bad. 381 00:19:08,208 --> 00:19:10,875 I just didn't know how bad it had gotten. 382 00:19:10,875 --> 00:19:13,292 She can't live in a situation like that any longer. 383 00:19:13,292 --> 00:19:15,583 - What's the goal? - Ultimately the goal is 384 00:19:15,583 --> 00:19:17,375 to make this a home again. - Okay. 385 00:19:17,375 --> 00:19:20,125 Ideally, you come home, you guys stay in your home. 386 00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:22,583 You have two separate homes. 387 00:19:22,583 --> 00:19:26,208 - [Linda] Well, they'll probably live here, you know. 388 00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:27,875 - Oh, you guys will move here too? 389 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:29,125 - Oh, if-- - Maybe. 390 00:19:29,125 --> 00:19:30,750 - If we ever got the place all fixed up. 391 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:32,208 - Okay. - Who's you guys? 392 00:19:33,167 --> 00:19:35,583 - Me and my wife Mackenzie and our son. 393 00:19:35,583 --> 00:19:37,792 - I love 'em to pieces. Yeah. 394 00:19:37,792 --> 00:19:39,542 - Well, that's another reason. - Yeah. 395 00:19:39,542 --> 00:19:41,417 - I know that you have hanging in front of you. 396 00:19:41,417 --> 00:19:43,125 - Oh, yeah, yeah. - To get through this. 397 00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:45,125 Okay. Go sit down. I know you're tired. 398 00:19:45,125 --> 00:19:46,250 - Yep. - Yeah, I need-- 399 00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:47,292 - [Cory] You've been through a lot. 400 00:19:47,292 --> 00:19:48,542 - Yeah. I need to sit down. 401 00:19:48,542 --> 00:19:50,167 - Okay. - Let's get you off your feet. 402 00:19:50,167 --> 00:19:51,250 - Sounds good, you bet. 403 00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:53,083 And it was nice meeting you, alright? 404 00:19:53,083 --> 00:19:54,042 We'll get this taken care of, 405 00:19:54,042 --> 00:19:55,083 I promise. - Thank you. 406 00:19:55,083 --> 00:19:56,542 - If you let us. - Thank you. 407 00:19:56,542 --> 00:19:58,458 - [Cory] There are severe issues with this home. 408 00:19:58,458 --> 00:20:00,708 - Thank you. - Not just the hoarding. 409 00:20:00,708 --> 00:20:03,750 It hasn't had utilities for several years. 410 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:05,458 It has biohazard. 411 00:20:05,458 --> 00:20:08,208 There's holes in the roof, there's mold, 412 00:20:08,208 --> 00:20:09,917 there's insects, rodents. 413 00:20:09,917 --> 00:20:11,625 So we have to deal with all of this 414 00:20:11,625 --> 00:20:13,333 while we get the home cleaned out. 415 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:15,417 It's gonna be a slow, methodical process 416 00:20:15,417 --> 00:20:17,875 and I really am afraid when we're done, 417 00:20:17,875 --> 00:20:21,125 of what's gonna be left of an actual home for them. 418 00:20:21,125 --> 00:20:31,083 [dramatic music] 419 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,708 - Good morning, everyone. - [All] Good morning. 420 00:20:53,708 --> 00:20:55,875 - First of all, thank you all for being here. 421 00:20:55,875 --> 00:20:57,500 It's a big day for Linda. 422 00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:59,375 I want to ask why we're here. 423 00:20:59,375 --> 00:21:03,333 - You're here to help me, you know, get this done 424 00:21:03,333 --> 00:21:06,042 so I can live a normal, decent life. 425 00:21:06,042 --> 00:21:09,542 - Okay, and how possible do you think that's gonna be? 426 00:21:09,542 --> 00:21:11,417 - I think it's possible. 427 00:21:11,417 --> 00:21:13,500 Right now it seems very difficult. 428 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:14,833 - 'Cause you're currently living 429 00:21:14,833 --> 00:21:17,208 with your son and daughter-in-law, right? 430 00:21:17,208 --> 00:21:19,667 Can she stay with you guys forever? 431 00:21:19,667 --> 00:21:20,833 - No. - Let's answer that question. 432 00:21:20,833 --> 00:21:22,417 - No, I don't want to. - [Cory] Okay. 433 00:21:22,417 --> 00:21:23,708 So no one wants that option? 434 00:21:23,708 --> 00:21:24,708 - No. I want-- 435 00:21:24,708 --> 00:21:26,208 - Do you think you're gonna be able 436 00:21:26,208 --> 00:21:28,083 to move back here after we clean it out? 437 00:21:28,083 --> 00:21:29,667 - Hopefully. 438 00:21:29,667 --> 00:21:32,042 - Okay. Well, the answer is no. I'll answer that right now. 439 00:21:32,042 --> 00:21:33,500 So let's get that off the table. 440 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,917 - I believe, temporarily, it'll be fine 441 00:21:35,917 --> 00:21:37,417 for her to stay with us 442 00:21:37,417 --> 00:21:39,500 because as long as she understands the boundaries 443 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:41,375 and rules that we have set 444 00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:43,542 and they need to stay that way for our safety 445 00:21:43,542 --> 00:21:44,792 and the safety of our child. 446 00:21:44,792 --> 00:21:46,542 - Cory is really gonna help you unpack 447 00:21:46,542 --> 00:21:48,208 what's going on in the home. 448 00:21:48,208 --> 00:21:50,208 And I'm gonna try my best to help you all 449 00:21:50,208 --> 00:21:51,792 unpack what's going on in the family, 450 00:21:51,792 --> 00:21:54,583 'cause this really is a family crisis. 451 00:21:54,583 --> 00:21:56,917 But I really wanna get to the bottom 452 00:21:56,917 --> 00:21:59,042 of how this happened, 453 00:21:59,042 --> 00:22:00,833 how it continued to happen, 454 00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,917 how we can keep it from reoccurring, right? 455 00:22:02,917 --> 00:22:05,458 Because all of those things are important. 456 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,042 - All we're gonna ask of each of you this week 457 00:22:07,042 --> 00:22:11,208 is to be very open, honest with your communication, 458 00:22:11,208 --> 00:22:14,000 and understand that a lot of times 459 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,625 we're gonna stop cleaning 460 00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:18,417 so that Dr. D can have those conversations as they come up. 461 00:22:18,417 --> 00:22:19,292 'Cause they will come up. 462 00:22:19,292 --> 00:22:20,375 They should come up, right? 463 00:22:20,375 --> 00:22:21,583 Because if we don't resolve that, 464 00:22:21,583 --> 00:22:23,167 the cleaning is meaningless. 465 00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:24,667 We're only here a short time. 466 00:22:24,667 --> 00:22:26,542 Let us help you understand 467 00:22:26,542 --> 00:22:28,875 how to not live this life anymore. 468 00:22:28,875 --> 00:22:31,167 You've said your life is full of regrets. 469 00:22:31,167 --> 00:22:34,292 Don't let these next three or four days be another regret. 470 00:22:34,292 --> 00:22:37,333 Okay? We can easily empty this house. 471 00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:38,792 That is no question. 472 00:22:38,792 --> 00:22:40,500 If you weren't here, we could have these people 473 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:42,583 empty it in a day, maybe a day and a half. 474 00:22:42,583 --> 00:22:44,083 So we have plenty of time. 475 00:22:44,083 --> 00:22:47,750 The sticking point is gonna be you, decision making, 476 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:51,000 speed of decision making and what you want to keep. 477 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,708 - So, Linda, yesterday we talked 478 00:22:52,708 --> 00:22:57,750 and we got to 90% of what's in that home can go 479 00:22:57,750 --> 00:23:00,417 with the exception of jewelry 480 00:23:00,417 --> 00:23:03,375 and ceramics or porcelain. - Yes. 481 00:23:03,375 --> 00:23:04,417 - Is that correct? - Yes. 482 00:23:04,417 --> 00:23:05,625 - If we find a hundred dollar bill, 483 00:23:05,625 --> 00:23:07,125 we're not gonna throw it away. 484 00:23:07,125 --> 00:23:08,958 If we find a photo album, we're not gonna throw it away. 485 00:23:08,958 --> 00:23:10,375 - Mm-hmm. - Right. 486 00:23:10,375 --> 00:23:12,500 You're gonna see eight Steri-Clean people 487 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:15,000 carrying stuff, making decisions on your behalf. 488 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,208 We will set you up out here at a table. 489 00:23:17,208 --> 00:23:18,875 Glassware, all the things that you want 490 00:23:18,875 --> 00:23:20,792 will come by you and you can make the decision out here. 491 00:23:20,792 --> 00:23:22,542 - No, I'd almost prefer to go through 492 00:23:22,542 --> 00:23:26,208 my library bags myself, but. 493 00:23:26,208 --> 00:23:27,625 - When we go in, in a little bit, 494 00:23:27,625 --> 00:23:29,125 let's talk about these things. - Okay. 495 00:23:29,125 --> 00:23:31,833 - Okay? And we can make sure that we're all on the same page 496 00:23:31,833 --> 00:23:34,542 with the plan we want, the plan you want. 497 00:23:34,542 --> 00:23:35,875 And hopefully we can merge the two together. 498 00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:36,875 - Okay. - Okay? 499 00:23:36,875 --> 00:23:38,542 - Okay. - Alright. Is everyone ready? 500 00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:39,958 - Yeah, let's go. - Yes, sir. 501 00:23:39,958 --> 00:23:41,167 - Let's get to work. 502 00:23:41,167 --> 00:23:43,500 [intense music] 503 00:24:08,542 --> 00:24:10,083 Let's act like it's cleanup time. 504 00:24:10,083 --> 00:24:11,708 What are we gonna do with this? 505 00:24:11,708 --> 00:24:14,375 - Throw it out. - Okay. Good. 506 00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:15,875 - Lamp, out. - What you gonna do with this? 507 00:24:15,875 --> 00:24:17,042 - Out. 508 00:24:17,042 --> 00:24:18,958 Those pants are mine and that shirt is mine. 509 00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:23,375 - Okay. Is this something you just found in here? 510 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:24,958 - Yeah. - So we're keeping it? 511 00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:28,792 - Not the bag. - No, the clothes, 512 00:24:28,792 --> 00:24:31,417 'cause that wasn't, again, that wasn't on your list. 513 00:24:32,625 --> 00:24:36,708 - Yeah. If I can wash it, I don't know. 514 00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:38,708 - Let's go through one of these bags 515 00:24:39,917 --> 00:24:41,583 like we're going to. 516 00:24:43,792 --> 00:24:45,583 - Probably got jewelry in it. 517 00:24:45,583 --> 00:24:47,292 - Okay. So costume jewelry. 518 00:24:47,292 --> 00:24:48,583 - Want it. - Want it? 519 00:24:48,583 --> 00:24:49,917 - All my jewelry. 520 00:24:49,917 --> 00:24:53,958 - Okay. That's easy. - It's not just costume. 521 00:24:53,958 --> 00:24:56,875 - But that makes it easy and that's what I want. 522 00:24:56,875 --> 00:24:58,417 I want establish all of this. 523 00:24:58,417 --> 00:25:00,875 - [Linda] It's expensive costume jewelry. 524 00:25:00,875 --> 00:25:03,750 - And I want you to go through that real quick 525 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:06,583 and kind of verbalize stuff, so I know what you're thinking. 526 00:25:09,167 --> 00:25:10,542 - Well, I like this. 527 00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:13,000 I'm gonna, you know, hang it up eventually for keys. 528 00:25:14,208 --> 00:25:15,500 That I will keep. - Okay. 529 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:17,542 I'm gonna start challenging you 530 00:25:17,542 --> 00:25:20,042 if we continue down this path, okay? 531 00:25:20,042 --> 00:25:21,042 - Okay. 532 00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:24,542 - [Cory] What worries me is clothing, 533 00:25:24,542 --> 00:25:27,500 that are just a couple things we just came across 534 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:28,792 and you're already keeping them 535 00:25:28,792 --> 00:25:30,542 and that's not falling into the category. 536 00:25:30,542 --> 00:25:31,792 - What isn't? 537 00:25:31,792 --> 00:25:35,625 - The clothing and that monkey key holder. 538 00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:37,708 - Definitely need the wallet. 539 00:25:37,708 --> 00:25:40,167 Like it much better than mine. 540 00:25:40,167 --> 00:25:42,167 - That's three things. 541 00:25:42,167 --> 00:25:44,208 - We'll give her away. 542 00:25:44,208 --> 00:25:45,458 - No, I already told you, 543 00:25:45,458 --> 00:25:47,417 no one is gonna take this smelly stuff 544 00:25:47,417 --> 00:25:49,083 that came from a house with mold spores 545 00:25:49,083 --> 00:25:50,167 and everything else in it. 546 00:25:51,208 --> 00:25:53,375 I can throw it away? Okay. 547 00:25:53,375 --> 00:25:54,625 Is that painful? - No. 548 00:25:54,625 --> 00:25:56,500 - To do? Okay. - No. 549 00:26:00,542 --> 00:26:02,917 - Where's it from? - The thrift store. 550 00:26:04,333 --> 00:26:06,000 - [Linda] What state? 551 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,250 - That is from Breckenridge, Colorado 552 00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:09,333 Ski Resort. - Yes. 553 00:26:09,333 --> 00:26:10,750 - Keeping it? - Yeah. 554 00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:13,583 - Okay. - Been there, myself. 555 00:26:13,583 --> 00:26:15,208 - At least that one falls into the category, 556 00:26:15,208 --> 00:26:16,292 so I'll give it to you. 557 00:26:16,292 --> 00:26:17,750 See anything else in there? 558 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:21,083 Or can we just make a decision that we can let it go. 559 00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:26,375 - Keep the camera. - Why are we keeping this? 560 00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:27,667 - 'Cause it's a good one. 561 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,833 - A good one that you're gonna use or it's just a good one? 562 00:26:32,833 --> 00:26:34,458 - It's a good one, I might use. 563 00:26:34,458 --> 00:26:36,333 I did use it, it's my Olympus. 564 00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:37,875 May have film in it. 565 00:26:37,875 --> 00:26:39,375 - [Cory] Well, that's not a film camera, 566 00:26:39,375 --> 00:26:40,458 that's a digital camera. 567 00:26:40,458 --> 00:26:43,000 - Okay. - Put that in here. 568 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,083 - It's not cheap jewelry. - I don't care. 569 00:26:47,208 --> 00:26:48,875 We're not here to put a value on anything. 570 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:51,625 I'm here to challenge what you told us earlier. 571 00:26:51,625 --> 00:26:53,500 - Throw away. - Okay. 572 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,167 So I guess what I'm gonna ask you now is 573 00:26:55,167 --> 00:26:56,708 the rules that we set. 574 00:26:56,708 --> 00:27:00,542 We have this, we have this. 575 00:27:00,542 --> 00:27:03,083 - Yeah, - We have these. 576 00:27:03,083 --> 00:27:04,958 We have electronics. 577 00:27:04,958 --> 00:27:09,667 None of this falls into the rule that you set earlier 578 00:27:09,667 --> 00:27:11,833 and we didn't get rid of 90% of the stuff. 579 00:27:12,875 --> 00:27:14,625 - No, I want those things, though. 580 00:27:14,625 --> 00:27:15,958 - Making decisions like this 581 00:27:15,958 --> 00:27:18,542 is what got your house like this. 582 00:27:18,542 --> 00:27:21,042 Okay? You don't want a life of regret. 583 00:27:21,042 --> 00:27:25,667 And if we hold onto, I'll say you let go of, let's say 65%. 584 00:27:25,667 --> 00:27:28,375 If I keep 35% of the stuff in here, 585 00:27:28,375 --> 00:27:30,667 one, it stinks. 586 00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:31,875 Where is this gonna go? 587 00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:33,292 Are you gonna bring this back into your house 588 00:27:33,292 --> 00:27:34,292 after you remodel it? 589 00:27:35,458 --> 00:27:36,833 Best case scenario. 590 00:27:38,292 --> 00:27:39,833 You can't wash a digital camera. 591 00:27:39,833 --> 00:27:41,375 So what are you gonna do with this? 592 00:27:41,375 --> 00:27:44,542 - Well, put it in there for now and I'll think about it. 593 00:27:44,542 --> 00:27:46,625 - Okay, if we don't change our thinking, 594 00:27:46,625 --> 00:27:49,292 you're gonna have boxes and boxes and boxes full 595 00:27:49,292 --> 00:27:52,458 of about 35 to 40% of the stuff in here. 596 00:27:52,458 --> 00:27:53,750 Where's it gonna go? 597 00:27:55,792 --> 00:27:57,917 Are we gonna store it back in the house? 598 00:27:57,917 --> 00:27:59,083 Are you gonna take it to the apartment? 599 00:27:59,083 --> 00:28:00,708 Do you wanna put it in the garage? 600 00:28:00,708 --> 00:28:04,042 - No, I get, no, I get storage for now. 601 00:28:04,042 --> 00:28:06,083 - Okay. I've worked with hoarders for 30 years 602 00:28:06,083 --> 00:28:08,792 and "for now" ends up being forever. 603 00:28:08,792 --> 00:28:11,125 I think Linda is kind of stuck. 604 00:28:11,125 --> 00:28:14,208 I think she's struggling letting go of control 605 00:28:14,208 --> 00:28:16,333 and that's the biggest thing we see in all hoarders. 606 00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:18,833 So, we can expect that. 607 00:28:18,833 --> 00:28:21,333 But we have three days to get through this house. 608 00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:25,167 - How are you gonna do that? - By you giving up control. 609 00:28:26,542 --> 00:28:28,375 It's quite simple for us. 610 00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:29,792 It's more difficult for you. 611 00:28:56,208 --> 00:28:58,375 - Code Enforcement is on their way here. 612 00:28:58,375 --> 00:28:59,875 They wanna see the car. 613 00:28:59,875 --> 00:29:03,042 We need to empty it out real quick. Okay? 614 00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:05,167 You can sit right here and stay here while we do it. 615 00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:07,042 Can we empty this car real quick? 616 00:29:07,042 --> 00:29:11,208 - On the side. - We gotta come out this way 617 00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:13,000 because she wants to go through it all, so. 618 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,458 - Drag it over here to me. 619 00:29:14,458 --> 00:29:17,125 Just drag a whole bunch of, drag it on the ground. 620 00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:21,917 - Calm down. Calm down. - Am I over there? Thank you. 621 00:29:21,917 --> 00:29:24,042 - [Cory] Linda, don't get nasty to us. 622 00:29:24,042 --> 00:29:25,542 - [Mackenzie] And especially not to the crew 623 00:29:25,542 --> 00:29:27,208 that's trying to help you. 624 00:29:27,208 --> 00:29:30,042 There's clothes that has mouse droppings on it. 625 00:29:30,042 --> 00:29:32,000 There's not a lot but they are there. 626 00:29:33,292 --> 00:29:34,500 - You have my jewelry? 627 00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:36,375 Do not! - This is not jewelry. 628 00:29:36,375 --> 00:29:38,667 Calm the-- God, calm down. 629 00:29:38,667 --> 00:29:40,458 - [Linda] That's not jewelry? It looks like jewelry to me. 630 00:29:40,458 --> 00:29:42,125 - [Zach] Jewelry? It looks like a worthless watch. 631 00:29:42,125 --> 00:29:44,792 - Give me my bag of jewelry. 632 00:29:44,792 --> 00:29:46,167 - [Zach] It's not a bag of jewelry. 633 00:29:46,167 --> 00:29:48,542 It's a bag of-- - You got a bag. 634 00:29:48,542 --> 00:29:50,875 - [Zach] You want this with your other 100 pairs of glasses 635 00:29:50,875 --> 00:29:53,000 floating around at our house? 636 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,542 - [Cory] We saved about 20 pair inside. 637 00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:55,750 - [Zach] She has a lot of glasses. 638 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:56,792 None of 'em are her prescription. 639 00:29:56,792 --> 00:29:59,500 She refuses to get her prescription. 640 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,375 She just wears random glasses 641 00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:04,292 and puts them on top of each other, it's... 642 00:30:04,292 --> 00:30:06,417 [intense music] 643 00:30:08,375 --> 00:30:10,583 Mom, we're not keeping any clothes. 644 00:30:10,583 --> 00:30:11,833 None of these clothes are good. 645 00:30:11,833 --> 00:30:12,958 They are ruined. 646 00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:15,083 They are covered in animal and bug-- 647 00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:16,750 - She's keeping clothes. - No, dude. 648 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:19,042 - But these were wrapped up and I'm keeping them. 649 00:30:20,125 --> 00:30:22,917 - It all is coming from the same car. 650 00:30:22,917 --> 00:30:25,750 It's all got rodent droppings on it. 651 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:27,875 Rodent urine on it. 652 00:30:27,875 --> 00:30:31,000 - Favorite jeans, Democracy. - Huh? 653 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,250 - Favorite brand. I don't have any at home. 654 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:35,583 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 655 00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:38,250 Yay, yay. Gold Rolex. 656 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,792 Come look at it, it's the real thing. 657 00:30:40,792 --> 00:30:42,250 - Needle in the haystack, they found it. 658 00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:43,917 Do you believe that they'll search stuff now? 659 00:30:43,917 --> 00:30:45,542 - Look here, I had to take the thing out. 660 00:30:45,542 --> 00:30:48,125 - Okay. I am super happy. 661 00:30:48,125 --> 00:30:50,917 - God, they're worth about $14,000 now. 662 00:30:50,917 --> 00:30:53,167 - I was so happy that our Steri-clean crew 663 00:30:53,167 --> 00:30:55,708 was able to find the Rolex watch in the car. 664 00:30:55,708 --> 00:30:57,500 This should build a lot of trust with her 665 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,000 in allowing us to work 666 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,875 when she doesn't see everything that we're doing. 667 00:31:00,875 --> 00:31:02,875 - I wanted to come check on you. 668 00:31:02,875 --> 00:31:04,750 Look at you. You found the watch. 669 00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:07,917 So it was in the car after all? Okay. 670 00:31:07,917 --> 00:31:10,417 Are you going through all of this too? 671 00:31:10,417 --> 00:31:12,625 - Well, I'm gonna throw the clothes out. 672 00:31:12,625 --> 00:31:14,708 - She just said she's gonna throw the clothes out. 673 00:31:14,708 --> 00:31:16,042 Let's start getting the clothes out. 674 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,625 Can we get rid of movies? 675 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:19,750 Oh and this has bugs. 676 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:22,292 Can I get rid of movies with bugs? 677 00:31:22,292 --> 00:31:23,500 Yep, bye. 678 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:25,375 - I don't think there's anything eligible. 679 00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:27,292 - Me either. Good girl. 680 00:31:27,292 --> 00:31:28,375 Are these usable? 681 00:31:31,292 --> 00:31:32,792 - No. I don't like the look of them. 682 00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:34,125 - Yeah, okay. 683 00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:36,333 Linda, you're doing very good. 684 00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:39,875 Look at you, guiding things to the garbage. 685 00:31:39,875 --> 00:31:41,958 This is what I like to see. 686 00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:44,667 I actually think that Linda's doing quite well. 687 00:31:44,667 --> 00:31:47,042 I walked over and started to see 688 00:31:47,042 --> 00:31:48,917 what she was sifting and sorting through 689 00:31:48,917 --> 00:31:51,208 and she seems to be making good progress. 690 00:31:51,208 --> 00:31:53,625 I'm curious to see if that will continue. 691 00:31:53,625 --> 00:31:54,708 - No, this one looked good. 692 00:31:54,708 --> 00:31:56,375 I don't have any clothes to wear. 693 00:31:57,375 --> 00:32:00,125 [intense music] [junk clattering] 694 00:32:13,208 --> 00:32:14,917 - Hi there. - Hi. 695 00:32:14,917 --> 00:32:16,125 - I'm Cory. - Amanda Kirk. 696 00:32:16,125 --> 00:32:17,333 - Amanda? - Yep. 697 00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:19,000 - Thank you for coming out. - Yep. 698 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,333 - We just want to clarify some things. 699 00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:22,292 We want you to see what we have done. 700 00:32:22,292 --> 00:32:23,500 - Okay. - The biggest issue is, 701 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,208 kind of, the clarity on the car issue. 702 00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:29,208 Because I wanna make sure what she's telling us is accurate 703 00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,208 and we wanna know going into court tomorrow 704 00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:32,542 if we've met all the goals 705 00:32:32,542 --> 00:32:34,500 or if there's still some things that have to be done. 706 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,417 - Okay, sure. - Okay? 707 00:32:35,417 --> 00:32:38,042 So let's go over and talk to Linda and 708 00:32:38,042 --> 00:32:40,167 see what there is to say. 709 00:32:40,167 --> 00:32:42,125 - Hi, how are you? - Hi, good. How are you? 710 00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:44,167 - Fine. - Amanda, nice to meet you. 711 00:32:44,167 --> 00:32:46,458 - Hi Amanda, I'm Linda. - So you guys have never met? 712 00:32:46,458 --> 00:32:47,708 - Yeah, we've never met. 713 00:32:47,708 --> 00:32:48,792 - Gotcha, okay. - No. 714 00:32:48,792 --> 00:32:50,000 - Talked to her on the phone. 715 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,708 - So it's all gonna be nice and clean. 716 00:32:51,708 --> 00:32:52,875 - [Amanda] Good, great. 717 00:32:52,875 --> 00:32:54,208 - Yeah, I'm excited about it. - Yeah. 718 00:32:54,208 --> 00:32:56,250 - And I'm gonna have the car, 719 00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:59,333 I'm going to sell it for like 250 or something. 720 00:32:59,333 --> 00:33:02,625 Get it towed out as soon as I get the rest of my stuff out, 721 00:33:02,625 --> 00:33:03,792 which is gonna be today. 722 00:33:03,792 --> 00:33:05,250 - Okay. - And then tomorrow, 723 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:06,875 call somebody and have them come pick it up. 724 00:33:06,875 --> 00:33:08,125 - Okay. 725 00:33:08,125 --> 00:33:09,542 - Okay. Before we get to that though, 726 00:33:09,542 --> 00:33:11,292 can we just go over what the violations actually are 727 00:33:11,292 --> 00:33:12,875 to make sure that we're all on the same page? 728 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:14,042 The yard had to be mowed. 729 00:33:14,042 --> 00:33:15,375 Is this--? - The yard had to be mowed. 730 00:33:15,375 --> 00:33:16,750 - Minus the trash, I know. - Its mowed. 731 00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:18,042 - Does the yard look okay? 732 00:33:18,042 --> 00:33:19,167 - [Amanda] I couldn't even walk through here. 733 00:33:19,167 --> 00:33:20,542 So, that looks great. 734 00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:23,000 - Okay. So, is that it? The car's the last piece? 735 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,875 - So how long do I have to remove it? 736 00:33:25,875 --> 00:33:27,625 'Cause, you know, I mean I want it gone 737 00:33:27,625 --> 00:33:29,208 and I'm going to call somebody, 738 00:33:29,208 --> 00:33:31,250 but because I'm in the middle of all this- 739 00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:33,083 - Sure. - I want this done first. 740 00:33:33,083 --> 00:33:36,542 I really don't wanna have to leave here to go to court. 741 00:33:36,542 --> 00:33:38,458 So what's gonna happen tomorrow, should I go to court? 742 00:33:38,458 --> 00:33:39,875 - Well, you are going to court, right? 743 00:33:39,875 --> 00:33:41,375 You do have to go to court. 744 00:33:41,542 --> 00:33:43,333 The timeframe has already passed for it to come into compliance. 745 00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:45,042 So that's why you're going into a hearing. 746 00:33:45,042 --> 00:33:46,500 But when you go to the hearing, 747 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,500 you just tell the magistrate what's happened. 748 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:50,792 And I will say that I've, you know, come here-- 749 00:33:50,792 --> 00:33:52,125 - Witness it and it's gonna be gone. 750 00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:54,375 - And then, she'll tell you. 751 00:33:54,375 --> 00:33:56,292 - Well they'll make sure for me. - Right. 752 00:33:56,292 --> 00:33:57,625 - But are they gonna set another date 753 00:33:57,625 --> 00:33:58,917 to prove that this is gone? 754 00:33:58,917 --> 00:34:00,417 Or do you just come back and look and say-- 755 00:34:00,417 --> 00:34:01,917 - Yeah, I would need to come back 756 00:34:01,917 --> 00:34:03,000 and just verify that it's gone. 757 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,167 - Okay. - Okay. 758 00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:05,833 - What time would you be coming back? 759 00:34:05,833 --> 00:34:07,542 - When you call me, I'll come back. 760 00:34:07,542 --> 00:34:08,500 - Okay. 761 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:10,167 - Do you want us to find a scrap yard 762 00:34:10,167 --> 00:34:11,792 in the next couple days and get it outta here? 763 00:34:11,792 --> 00:34:13,000 A lot of charities that'll come 764 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,250 and take this off their hands like that. 765 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:15,958 - No, they won't take it. - Yes, they will. 766 00:34:15,958 --> 00:34:18,292 I do this for a living. No, gimme a yes that we can call 767 00:34:18,292 --> 00:34:20,667 and find a scrap yard or a charity to come get it. 768 00:34:21,667 --> 00:34:23,042 - [Mackenzie] You have to give them permission. 769 00:34:23,042 --> 00:34:24,083 - Everything's gonna be out. 770 00:34:24,083 --> 00:34:26,167 - There is, you call these people, 771 00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:27,958 they'll give you 250 or $300. 772 00:34:27,958 --> 00:34:29,708 - I know how it works, I got it. 773 00:34:29,708 --> 00:34:34,042 - Can Cory call and have a scrap yard come get this car? 774 00:34:34,042 --> 00:34:36,042 - Yeah, for 250. - Awesome. Go for it. 775 00:34:36,042 --> 00:34:37,375 Did you hear that? - Yay! 776 00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:39,792 - Do you think you'd get someone do it for 250? 777 00:34:39,792 --> 00:34:41,208 - I will do my best. 778 00:34:41,208 --> 00:34:42,125 - Cory's gonna do his best. 779 00:34:42,125 --> 00:34:43,458 - I'll pitch in the difference 780 00:34:43,458 --> 00:34:45,042 as long as you're willing to let it go. 781 00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:50,708 - Well, Linda, if Cory cannot remove it for 250, 782 00:34:51,833 --> 00:34:53,708 are you willing to let it go? 783 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,875 - I can have it-- I've done it before. 784 00:34:56,875 --> 00:35:00,750 That's what they give you for the price of the metal. 785 00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:03,875 - If they can't find one. - No, you can find one. 786 00:35:03,875 --> 00:35:05,833 - Amanda, everything that you've seen 787 00:35:07,292 --> 00:35:08,958 other than the car starting and still being here. 788 00:35:08,958 --> 00:35:10,083 - Yep. - We're good? 789 00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:11,625 - Yes. - Okay, okay. 790 00:35:11,625 --> 00:35:13,625 - [Amanda] I just need to take pictures 791 00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:16,833 once everything's gone but. - Okay, sounds good. 792 00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:18,375 We'll get this taken care of. 793 00:35:18,375 --> 00:35:20,333 Tomorrow, we'll try to get someone to pick it up tomorrow. 794 00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:21,458 Okay, on another note, 795 00:35:21,458 --> 00:35:23,958 tomorrow we can continue working on 796 00:35:23,958 --> 00:35:25,750 kitchen, dining room, living room. 797 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:27,250 Right? 798 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:29,375 If you're not back and we're done, would you be okay 799 00:35:29,375 --> 00:35:32,958 with us emptying out your garage since that's all ruined? 800 00:35:32,958 --> 00:35:34,375 Same rules apply, glass, 801 00:35:34,375 --> 00:35:36,000 all that same stuff will come to the table. 802 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,708 - [Linda] All glass is sorted in boxes. 803 00:35:37,708 --> 00:35:39,292 - Right, we'll put that over the sorting table. 804 00:35:39,292 --> 00:35:40,875 - If you can get new boxes, yeah. 805 00:35:40,875 --> 00:35:43,000 - [Cory] But can we empty the garage while you're not here? 806 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,542 - Of course. - Perfect. 807 00:35:44,542 --> 00:35:46,208 - Nice. - Then we got it. 808 00:35:46,208 --> 00:35:49,125 - Look at you, look at you! - We got a plan. 809 00:35:49,125 --> 00:35:50,417 - I'm gonna see if Andy's willing to-- 810 00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:51,833 - We found her Rolex, so she's happy. 811 00:35:51,833 --> 00:35:52,792 - Right. - Alright. 812 00:35:52,792 --> 00:35:54,042 Thank you so much for coming by. 813 00:35:54,042 --> 00:35:55,792 I appreciate it. 814 00:35:55,792 --> 00:35:57,625 And she will see you tomorrow. 815 00:35:58,958 --> 00:36:01,833 Again, Linda surprised me by giving us permission tomorrow 816 00:36:01,833 --> 00:36:03,042 when she's gonna be at court. 817 00:36:03,042 --> 00:36:04,542 Not only can we continue cleaning 818 00:36:04,542 --> 00:36:06,208 the living room, dining room, and kitchen, 819 00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,042 she's allowing us to clean the garage as well 820 00:36:08,042 --> 00:36:09,875 until she gets back, that's huge. 821 00:36:09,875 --> 00:36:19,833 [dramatic music] 822 00:36:30,417 --> 00:36:31,875 - Good morning, everyone. 823 00:36:31,875 --> 00:36:36,042 We're gonna go ahead and start today's proceeding. 824 00:36:36,042 --> 00:36:39,333 Please state your name. - Belinda Connor. 825 00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:42,042 - Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth 826 00:36:42,042 --> 00:36:45,208 before the special magistrate? - I do. 827 00:36:45,208 --> 00:36:48,958 I just wanted to say that, you know, I wasn't here. 828 00:36:48,958 --> 00:36:52,375 I was very ill for the past year 829 00:36:52,375 --> 00:36:57,542 and I apologize for having these violations, 830 00:36:57,542 --> 00:37:00,833 but I would appreciate it very much if you did not, 831 00:37:00,833 --> 00:37:03,875 you know, fine me if you just charge me court costs 832 00:37:03,875 --> 00:37:07,958 because I get very little money in social security. 833 00:37:07,958 --> 00:37:10,208 - So, the way the fines work 834 00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:13,167 is that once the vehicle has been towed, 835 00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:15,375 then you can seek a reduction in the fines 836 00:37:15,375 --> 00:37:17,083 and there's a process to do that. 837 00:37:17,083 --> 00:37:19,500 So I appreciate your coming in and resolving it today. 838 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,333 And that's going to end this matter for today. 839 00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:24,292 Thank you. - Alright, thank you so much. 840 00:37:24,292 --> 00:37:26,750 [intense music] 841 00:37:30,792 --> 00:37:33,625 [junk clattering] 842 00:37:57,208 --> 00:37:58,875 - Good morning, Linda. - Good morning. 843 00:37:58,875 --> 00:38:01,083 How are you, Dr. D? - It's good to see you. 844 00:38:01,083 --> 00:38:03,042 So, tell me about this morning. 845 00:38:03,042 --> 00:38:04,250 How did it go? 846 00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:07,000 You had the court date? Yeah? - I did. 847 00:38:07,917 --> 00:38:11,292 I guess it went okay. I'm not exactly sure. 848 00:38:11,292 --> 00:38:14,417 I don't know if I was fined or not fined 849 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:15,875 or how much I'll be paying. 850 00:38:15,875 --> 00:38:17,125 - All right. 851 00:38:17,125 --> 00:38:19,333 - Okay, so let's recap where we're at. 852 00:38:19,333 --> 00:38:21,375 We didn't get to the garage yet, 853 00:38:21,375 --> 00:38:23,417 actually Scott started a little bit, did great. 854 00:38:23,417 --> 00:38:24,958 But we've been finishing up in the house. 855 00:38:24,958 --> 00:38:28,583 We have just 20 minutes left at max to get the kitchen done. 856 00:38:28,583 --> 00:38:29,958 Okay? While we're doing that, 857 00:38:29,958 --> 00:38:31,208 I'd love for you to sit out here, 858 00:38:31,208 --> 00:38:34,208 start sorting, okay, with your family. 859 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:36,208 Start going through this stuff. 860 00:38:36,208 --> 00:38:38,625 Asking yourself the difficult question. 861 00:38:38,625 --> 00:38:42,042 Is it something I really need to keep? 862 00:38:42,042 --> 00:38:43,875 Is it valuable? 863 00:38:43,875 --> 00:38:46,833 Is it sentimental, or am I gonna use it? 864 00:38:46,833 --> 00:38:48,167 And if it's legitimate, 865 00:38:48,167 --> 00:38:50,542 we wrap it in paper, it goes in a box. 866 00:38:50,542 --> 00:38:52,375 Is that fair? - Yeah. 867 00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:54,500 Unless it's something I really want, 868 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:55,875 - Linda. - Well, that's the caveat. 869 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,792 - Let me go this way and see if it's helpful. 870 00:38:58,792 --> 00:39:01,083 What's your emotional health worth, 871 00:39:01,083 --> 00:39:03,667 your family, your relationships, 872 00:39:03,667 --> 00:39:06,292 your ability to sit peacefully in your home? 873 00:39:06,292 --> 00:39:07,458 What is that worth? 874 00:39:07,458 --> 00:39:08,417 What's the monetary value of that? 875 00:39:08,417 --> 00:39:10,125 - It's worth everything, - Right! 876 00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:13,208 So, if you have to let go of thousands and thousands 877 00:39:13,208 --> 00:39:15,125 and thousands of stuff 878 00:39:15,125 --> 00:39:18,625 to get something that's priceless back, 879 00:39:18,625 --> 00:39:20,667 is that not a good investment? 880 00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:22,458 Are you willing to let go of your stuff 881 00:39:22,458 --> 00:39:23,500 to get back your people? 882 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,417 - I wanna sell a lot of my stuff. 883 00:39:25,417 --> 00:39:27,542 You know, I've got valuable things. 884 00:39:27,542 --> 00:39:29,000 - You've got valuable people. 885 00:39:30,417 --> 00:39:32,375 - Mom, let me-- - You got a grandchild 886 00:39:32,375 --> 00:39:34,792 you can't bring in your home. 887 00:39:34,792 --> 00:39:37,083 - By the grace of God, had we not had "Hoarders", 888 00:39:37,083 --> 00:39:39,667 all these people come to help us, what would've happened? 889 00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:41,292 I will not touched this place. 890 00:39:41,292 --> 00:39:42,667 This would've sat here 891 00:39:42,667 --> 00:39:44,375 until the house was eventually taken from you. 892 00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:45,583 - Okay. - For inaction. 893 00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:47,500 - I'm still getting rid of a lot of stuff 894 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:50,250 But my collectibles, I want. - Okay. 895 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:52,042 - Let's put it to the test. - Yeah. 896 00:39:52,042 --> 00:39:54,542 - There are things on that table that I know you will let go. 897 00:39:54,542 --> 00:39:57,125 So let's start that process, okay? 898 00:39:57,125 --> 00:39:58,208 And we're gonna get back to cleaning 899 00:39:58,208 --> 00:39:59,875 before we run outta time today. 900 00:40:01,042 --> 00:40:03,375 [intense music] 901 00:40:03,375 --> 00:40:05,708 [junk clattering] 902 00:40:29,875 --> 00:40:31,417 - All she's ever cared about was her things. 903 00:40:31,417 --> 00:40:33,167 - This I want, I bought it. 904 00:40:33,167 --> 00:40:35,208 I didn't buy it at a garage sale. 905 00:40:35,208 --> 00:40:36,458 - No, you remember that? 906 00:40:36,458 --> 00:40:38,333 We got that on-- - What is it worth? 907 00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:40,542 - We bought that the first year we were together, remember that? 908 00:40:40,542 --> 00:40:41,708 - I want that! 909 00:40:41,708 --> 00:40:44,042 - I know. I heard the first time. 910 00:40:44,042 --> 00:40:47,042 Treat me like crap the whole time, I don't want do this. 911 00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:49,708 Trash? The decals are coming off of this. 912 00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:51,208 That's chipped on the bottom. 913 00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:52,292 It's not worth anything. 914 00:40:52,292 --> 00:40:54,458 You can't sell it for anything. 915 00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:55,875 - It's enamel. 916 00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:57,542 - Yeah, and the enamel's chipped. 917 00:40:57,542 --> 00:40:59,000 You can't repair that. 918 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,417 You can't-- What, you're gonna sell that? 919 00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:03,500 You're gonna keep it? 920 00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:05,375 - Don't talk to me, Mackenzie. 921 00:41:05,375 --> 00:41:07,417 Get somebody else over here besides her. 922 00:41:08,375 --> 00:41:09,417 - It's a Starbucks cup. 923 00:41:09,417 --> 00:41:11,083 Everybody has plenty of these. 924 00:41:11,083 --> 00:41:12,083 It's trash. - Want it. 925 00:41:13,375 --> 00:41:14,542 Collect them. 926 00:41:14,542 --> 00:41:16,083 Give it to me! 927 00:41:17,083 --> 00:41:20,208 You know, get her away from me or I'm gonna walk off. 928 00:41:20,208 --> 00:41:22,292 - What? I don't know what I'm supposed to do here. 929 00:41:22,292 --> 00:41:24,375 My opinion is, yeah, keep that. 930 00:41:24,375 --> 00:41:25,542 Keep grandmother's urn. 931 00:41:25,542 --> 00:41:27,375 I guess that and the rest of this 932 00:41:27,375 --> 00:41:29,833 looks like (bleep) garbage to me. 933 00:41:29,833 --> 00:41:31,708 You might be able to sell that thing for something. 934 00:41:31,708 --> 00:41:33,458 I don't know. Maybe. 935 00:41:33,458 --> 00:41:35,375 But the thing is, you're not gonna do that. 936 00:41:35,375 --> 00:41:38,250 You've talked about selling things my whole entire life 937 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:39,542 and you sold nothing. 938 00:41:39,542 --> 00:41:41,542 Remember when dad got you that storefront 939 00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:42,917 to start selling stuff 940 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:45,500 and you just turned it into a storage unit? 941 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,458 Do you remember that, at all? 942 00:41:47,458 --> 00:41:48,958 No, you're gonna ignore me? 943 00:41:48,958 --> 00:41:50,375 All right, cool. 944 00:41:50,375 --> 00:41:51,750 I don't need to be here then. 945 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:56,625 - Giving up? - No, it's just... 946 00:41:57,542 --> 00:41:59,375 (bleep), my whole life, 947 00:41:59,375 --> 00:42:01,375 all she's cared about is her (bleep). 948 00:42:01,375 --> 00:42:03,875 "No, I need it." Or, "I'm gonna sell it." 949 00:42:03,875 --> 00:42:07,667 When? she's never sold a thing my whole entire damn life. 950 00:42:07,667 --> 00:42:10,750 - "All my life, all she cared about was her things. 951 00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:14,042 She loves me too, but she put that ahead of me." 952 00:42:14,042 --> 00:42:15,167 - Yeah. 953 00:42:15,167 --> 00:42:16,750 - Have you had that conversation with her? 954 00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:18,042 - Oh, yeah. Plenty of times. 955 00:42:18,042 --> 00:42:20,750 - Well, not with all the other theatrics. 956 00:42:21,708 --> 00:42:23,125 Just that. - Yeah. 957 00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:26,583 - "Mom, the entire time that I've been alive, 958 00:42:26,583 --> 00:42:29,708 I feel like all you cared about was your things, 959 00:42:29,708 --> 00:42:31,542 even above and beyond me." - Yeah. 960 00:42:31,542 --> 00:42:33,208 - [Dr. D.] And what does she say to you? 961 00:42:33,208 --> 00:42:37,958 - She ignores me, sometimes she says sorry and cries, 962 00:42:37,958 --> 00:42:39,750 but it doesn't really mean anything 963 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:42,625 when you go back and it's like she's holding onto garbage 964 00:42:42,625 --> 00:42:45,125 and it's like, this is gonna put fines on us, 965 00:42:45,125 --> 00:42:46,375 get us in trouble. 966 00:42:46,375 --> 00:42:48,708 And it's just frustrating, it's extremely frustrating. 967 00:42:48,708 --> 00:42:50,000 - It's frustrating. 968 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,583 - And that's why there was a long period of time 969 00:42:51,583 --> 00:42:53,500 where I had little to do with her. 970 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,500 I talked to her on the phone occasionally, 971 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:56,958 but I had no interest in coming back here. 972 00:42:56,958 --> 00:42:59,875 I had no interest of being any part of her chaos. 973 00:42:59,875 --> 00:43:01,708 Because when you're around her, 974 00:43:01,708 --> 00:43:07,167 she sucks you into her chaotic realm of existence. 975 00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:09,292 And I just had enough of it growing up 976 00:43:09,292 --> 00:43:11,000 and I don't want it in my life. 977 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,542 I don't want it for my child. 978 00:43:12,542 --> 00:43:14,667 I have a 17-month-old son. 979 00:43:14,667 --> 00:43:17,000 I just don't want it. - Yeah. 980 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,875 - I had enough of it growing up. 981 00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:20,833 I'm sick of this (bleep). 982 00:43:32,083 --> 00:43:34,208 - I have been a hoarder for a while. 983 00:43:36,958 --> 00:43:38,875 - Are you seeing the dead possum? 984 00:43:38,875 --> 00:43:41,375 - I don't. I don't see it. 985 00:43:41,375 --> 00:43:43,792 - Don't look away. Look at it. 986 00:43:43,792 --> 00:43:46,667 Engrave it in your mind. 987 00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:47,917 - [Linda] Yeah, it's disturbing. 988 00:43:47,917 --> 00:43:51,125 - So that it never occurs again. 989 00:43:51,125 --> 00:43:52,125 - Right. 990 00:43:53,583 --> 00:43:55,833 - [Zach] Mom, we're not keeping any clothes. 991 00:43:55,833 --> 00:43:57,917 None of these clothes are good. They are ruined. 992 00:43:57,917 --> 00:44:00,417 They are covered in animal and bug-- 993 00:44:00,417 --> 00:44:01,958 - She's keeping clothes. 994 00:44:01,958 --> 00:44:04,500 - These were wrapped up and I'm keeping them. 995 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,208 [dramatic music] 996 00:44:07,208 --> 00:44:10,500 - We have three days to get through this house. 997 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,250 - How are you gonna do that? - By you giving up control. 998 00:44:14,375 --> 00:44:15,917 It's quite simple for us. 999 00:44:15,917 --> 00:44:17,625 It's more difficult for you. 1000 00:44:18,542 --> 00:44:20,292 - Are you willing to let go of your stuff 1001 00:44:20,292 --> 00:44:21,333 to get back your people? 1002 00:44:21,333 --> 00:44:23,000 - I wanna sell a lot of my stuff. 1003 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,042 You know, I've got valuable things. 1004 00:44:25,042 --> 00:44:26,750 - You've got valuable people. 1005 00:44:28,167 --> 00:44:29,292 - It's a Starbucks cup. 1006 00:44:29,292 --> 00:44:30,667 Everybody has plenty of these. 1007 00:44:30,667 --> 00:44:31,875 It's trash. - Want it. 1008 00:44:32,792 --> 00:44:34,167 Collect them. 1009 00:44:34,167 --> 00:44:35,750 Give it to me! 1010 00:44:37,792 --> 00:44:40,167 [intense music] 1011 00:45:06,708 --> 00:45:10,042 - I do not want you going through my stuff. 1012 00:45:10,042 --> 00:45:12,542 - Better get used to it. That's disgusting. 1013 00:45:12,542 --> 00:45:14,458 You want that? - I'm not talking to you. 1014 00:45:14,458 --> 00:45:16,292 - Okay, well then I'm gonna toss it. 1015 00:45:16,292 --> 00:45:17,792 [ceramic shattering] 1016 00:45:18,792 --> 00:45:21,125 I'm the person who's here to help you. 1017 00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:23,625 But you gotta start by helping yourself. 1018 00:45:23,625 --> 00:45:24,833 - Want it. 1019 00:45:27,042 --> 00:45:30,125 You know, get her away from me or I'm gonna walk off. 1020 00:45:30,958 --> 00:45:32,625 I'm gonna just (bleep) walk off. - Linda? 1021 00:45:32,625 --> 00:45:34,375 Linda, don't walk off. 1022 00:45:34,375 --> 00:45:37,333 - No, I'm walking off if she's gonna be here. 1023 00:45:37,333 --> 00:45:39,833 - Remember we talked about the power struggles 1024 00:45:39,833 --> 00:45:42,042 that if you do this, I'm gonna do that. 1025 00:45:42,042 --> 00:45:44,750 That's threatening to leave. 1026 00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:46,375 That's part of that power struggle. 1027 00:45:47,708 --> 00:45:49,542 What is this thing 1028 00:45:49,542 --> 00:45:51,292 that I'm seeing between the two of you? 1029 00:45:51,292 --> 00:45:54,125 - This thing is that I brought her in my home 1030 00:45:55,208 --> 00:45:57,792 for her protection, for her safety from this, 1031 00:45:57,792 --> 00:45:59,583 because I saw that she struggled 1032 00:45:59,583 --> 00:46:03,333 and the entire time that I had attempted to be nice to her, 1033 00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:04,875 she had just done nothing 1034 00:46:04,875 --> 00:46:07,542 but treat me like gum stuck in the bottom of her shoe. 1035 00:46:07,542 --> 00:46:09,125 - Okay, take a breath. 1036 00:46:09,125 --> 00:46:10,583 - What is this thing for you? 1037 00:46:10,583 --> 00:46:12,417 - She's not really nice. 1038 00:46:12,417 --> 00:46:13,958 - What is she? - Not anymore. 1039 00:46:13,958 --> 00:46:15,792 - She's mean as hell. - Okay. 1040 00:46:15,792 --> 00:46:17,375 What do you mean by that? - Like a viper. 1041 00:46:17,375 --> 00:46:18,458 - Gimme an example. 1042 00:46:18,458 --> 00:46:19,875 Is she being mean right now? 1043 00:46:20,875 --> 00:46:22,417 - I don't wanna be talking. 1044 00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:25,292 - I understand that. 1045 00:46:25,292 --> 00:46:27,750 None of us wanna be talking, it's hot. 1046 00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:29,250 None of us wanna be doing any of this. 1047 00:46:29,250 --> 00:46:31,542 - No, I just don't want to be talking to her. 1048 00:46:31,542 --> 00:46:33,750 - Why do you think we are gathered here, Linda? 1049 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:35,500 She's helping you. 1050 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:40,167 Is there not even a tidbit of grace you can extend to her? 1051 00:46:40,167 --> 00:46:42,458 I'm just gonna leave that there. 1052 00:46:42,458 --> 00:46:43,625 You, my love. 1053 00:46:43,625 --> 00:46:45,375 No, take a breath. 1054 00:46:45,375 --> 00:46:47,000 You, my love, 1055 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,958 she could be all the things you accuse her of doing. 1056 00:46:49,958 --> 00:46:51,917 that's your husband's mother. 1057 00:46:53,208 --> 00:46:56,125 You made a choice to bring her into your home 1058 00:46:56,125 --> 00:46:59,208 and you made a choice to come here and help her with this. 1059 00:46:59,208 --> 00:47:00,458 This is hard! 1060 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,125 Strangers coming in your house to get rid of all your stuff 1061 00:47:05,125 --> 00:47:07,375 wouldn't be easy for you either. 1062 00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:09,333 It's gonna be 10 times harder for her 1063 00:47:09,333 --> 00:47:11,792 when she's been collecting and hoarding 1064 00:47:11,792 --> 00:47:15,375 and cluttering and keeping for decades. 1065 00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:17,583 Can you see how hard that might be? 1066 00:47:17,583 --> 00:47:18,708 - Yeah. 1067 00:47:18,708 --> 00:47:22,042 - Can you extend a tidbit of grace? 1068 00:47:22,042 --> 00:47:24,667 - Yeah. - Take a breath. 1069 00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:27,417 I'm back to you, 'cause that's not easy. 1070 00:47:28,417 --> 00:47:30,375 - She didn't mean that. - No, no. You don't know that. 1071 00:47:30,375 --> 00:47:31,500 - I do. 1072 00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:33,042 - You're having a difficult enough time 1073 00:47:33,042 --> 00:47:34,875 working out your feelings. 1074 00:47:34,875 --> 00:47:37,125 You don't get to talk about other people's feelings. 1075 00:47:37,125 --> 00:47:38,875 You don't know she didn't mean that. 1076 00:47:38,875 --> 00:47:42,167 Can you just extend her a tidbit of grace? 1077 00:47:42,167 --> 00:47:45,042 That's a yes or no question. - Yes, I can. 1078 00:47:45,042 --> 00:47:48,042 - Linda and Mackenzie seem to be going at it. 1079 00:47:48,042 --> 00:47:50,042 They were pretty nasty to one another. 1080 00:47:50,042 --> 00:47:52,000 They get kind of mean, 1081 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,917 very petty in the way that they handle the items. 1082 00:47:54,917 --> 00:47:57,542 And I really hope that they started to notice 1083 00:47:57,542 --> 00:48:00,625 that if they just extend a little grace to one another, 1084 00:48:00,625 --> 00:48:02,250 they could get through this process 1085 00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:04,917 in a more peaceful and productive way. 1086 00:48:04,917 --> 00:48:06,375 - Does this go? - Yes. 1087 00:48:06,375 --> 00:48:07,792 - And these two as well? 1088 00:48:07,792 --> 00:48:11,875 - That pitcher, that bowl, that cup. 1089 00:48:11,875 --> 00:48:14,500 - Take the wins. Here we go. 1090 00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:19,125 [intense music] [junk clattering] 1091 00:48:55,542 --> 00:48:57,250 - Linda, we just wanted to bring you in here. 1092 00:48:57,250 --> 00:49:00,042 We have, pretty much, three rooms cleaned out. 1093 00:49:00,042 --> 00:49:01,542 What do you think about the open space 1094 00:49:01,542 --> 00:49:03,917 and just feeling this much room again? 1095 00:49:03,917 --> 00:49:05,375 - I'm happy for that. I'm just-- 1096 00:49:05,375 --> 00:49:06,542 - Okay. - Good. 1097 00:49:06,542 --> 00:49:09,042 - Yeah, I just still see all the, you know, 1098 00:49:09,042 --> 00:49:10,833 the dirt and crap. 1099 00:49:10,833 --> 00:49:12,375 - Zach, when was the last time 1100 00:49:12,375 --> 00:49:15,250 you remember this much open space in this house? 1101 00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:17,792 - As far as when the last time 1102 00:49:17,792 --> 00:49:20,458 this was clean and nice, 1103 00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:23,167 I was still a child. - Okay. 1104 00:49:23,167 --> 00:49:24,833 - So yeah, I can still remember. 1105 00:49:24,833 --> 00:49:26,750 I still have images in my head 1106 00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:30,417 of when it was clean and orderly. 1107 00:49:30,417 --> 00:49:34,208 It's just, they're more like a few still images 1108 00:49:34,208 --> 00:49:35,958 and far and few between. 1109 00:49:35,958 --> 00:49:38,000 - I want you to remember all these images 1110 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,708 and these good times in the house 1111 00:49:39,708 --> 00:49:42,042 because it can be that again. 1112 00:49:43,167 --> 00:49:45,208 But if we wanna get the whole house done, 1113 00:49:45,208 --> 00:49:48,542 we need to not be looking for the minutia in it. 1114 00:49:48,542 --> 00:49:52,208 And that includes little pieces of jewelry. 1115 00:49:52,208 --> 00:49:55,750 Is there gonna be a lot of jewelry in these bedrooms? 1116 00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:56,875 - There's gonna be some, 1117 00:49:56,875 --> 00:49:59,333 but I'll know it right away in bags. 1118 00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:02,125 - You'll know it? - I'll just put them aside. 1119 00:50:02,125 --> 00:50:04,417 - But that means everything has to come by you. 1120 00:50:04,417 --> 00:50:07,125 And that's the slow part of this process. 1121 00:50:07,125 --> 00:50:10,042 If we have to go through these rooms that are so full 1122 00:50:10,042 --> 00:50:12,917 and look for the little things like this, 1123 00:50:12,917 --> 00:50:14,250 they're not gonna change your life at all. 1124 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:15,958 They've been buried for years. 1125 00:50:15,958 --> 00:50:17,542 - Please let us clean the place 1126 00:50:17,542 --> 00:50:20,833 because the alternative is they don't finish 1127 00:50:20,833 --> 00:50:23,792 and all this stuff stays here and the house gets taken away 1128 00:50:23,792 --> 00:50:25,167 and you still don't have it anyway. 1129 00:50:25,167 --> 00:50:27,500 So I don't even understand why you care about it. 1130 00:50:29,042 --> 00:50:33,958 - The request is, "Please let these people help me." 1131 00:50:33,958 --> 00:50:35,542 This is not just about the house, 1132 00:50:35,542 --> 00:50:38,125 we're trying to repair this relationship. 1133 00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,083 - Right. - What did you tell me, Zach? 1134 00:50:40,083 --> 00:50:41,667 What's been the most important thing 1135 00:50:41,667 --> 00:50:43,083 to your mother, you growing up? 1136 00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:45,458 - Your stuff, your things have always been number one. 1137 00:50:45,458 --> 00:50:47,083 You having your stuff, your things 1138 00:50:47,083 --> 00:50:48,458 has been more important than me 1139 00:50:48,458 --> 00:50:50,208 living in a clean house. - I took you everywhere. 1140 00:50:50,208 --> 00:50:51,417 - I don't think you took me everywhere. 1141 00:50:51,417 --> 00:50:53,250 That doesn't mean (bleep)-- - Okay. 1142 00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:55,500 - To what I've had to live in and grow up in. 1143 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:56,625 - Okay. 1144 00:50:56,625 --> 00:50:58,208 - Take a breath. - It's beyond embarrassing. 1145 00:50:58,208 --> 00:50:59,292 - Take a breath. 1146 00:51:00,250 --> 00:51:02,250 Linda, your son is saying, 1147 00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:05,667 "I grew up in a home that was embarrassing. 1148 00:51:05,667 --> 00:51:08,042 And even though you gave me everything 1149 00:51:08,042 --> 00:51:09,958 and you took me everywhere, 1150 00:51:09,958 --> 00:51:15,042 I always felt like your stuff mattered more to you than me." 1151 00:51:15,917 --> 00:51:18,625 And now, he's saying to you, 1152 00:51:18,625 --> 00:51:22,875 "Please don't leave me stuck with your stuff. 1153 00:51:22,875 --> 00:51:24,958 Let these people help me." 1154 00:51:24,958 --> 00:51:28,208 So the question is, can you do that? 1155 00:51:28,208 --> 00:51:32,458 Can you say here and now, "Get rid of the stuff?" 1156 00:51:55,458 --> 00:51:57,292 - When we got here this morning, Zach was already cleaning 1157 00:51:57,292 --> 00:52:00,583 and as soon as he saw me, he was on attack, 1158 00:52:00,583 --> 00:52:02,250 claiming that we are not moving fast enough, 1159 00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:03,375 we're never gonna get done. 1160 00:52:03,375 --> 00:52:04,958 He's frustrated. I get it. 1161 00:52:04,958 --> 00:52:07,750 But don't attack the one person that's here to help you. 1162 00:52:11,292 --> 00:52:13,208 - I'm familiar with cleaning. 1163 00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:15,375 - And what happened when you, when you tried it alone? 1164 00:52:15,375 --> 00:52:17,375 - It's just slower because I'm by myself. 1165 00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:18,542 - [Cory] Right. - I was literally, 1166 00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:20,125 I had her help me a little bit one day. 1167 00:52:20,125 --> 00:52:23,667 - So we have an entire team here and you keep going off on me. 1168 00:52:23,667 --> 00:52:26,375 You don't want to piss me off 'cause I'm on your side. Okay? 1169 00:52:26,375 --> 00:52:27,917 But the more you poke at me, 1170 00:52:27,917 --> 00:52:29,083 and say you guys are terrible, 1171 00:52:29,083 --> 00:52:30,375 and you're not doing your job... 1172 00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:31,708 - I didn't say y'all are terrible. I just said... 1173 00:52:31,708 --> 00:52:33,250 - [Cory] That's what I'm hearing when you do that. 1174 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:35,000 - I just feel we're not doing a lot of cleaning. 1175 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,542 We're just... 1176 00:52:36,542 --> 00:52:38,250 - Right. Because we're here to solve a bigger problem 1177 00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:39,583 than just clutter. 1178 00:52:39,583 --> 00:52:42,625 It's this. It's the communication. 1179 00:52:42,625 --> 00:52:43,583 It's all of it. 1180 00:52:43,583 --> 00:52:45,458 And if this is how you communicate, 1181 00:52:45,458 --> 00:52:46,750 maybe that's part of the problem too. 1182 00:52:46,750 --> 00:52:49,042 Maybe it's not just her, you all need to work on it. 1183 00:52:49,042 --> 00:52:50,375 When you lash out at me 1184 00:52:50,375 --> 00:52:52,208 because stuff's not getting done fast enough, 1185 00:52:52,208 --> 00:52:54,333 do you think that motivates me? 1186 00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:55,833 No, it pisses me off. 1187 00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:57,708 Just like when she talks to you that way. 1188 00:52:57,708 --> 00:53:01,917 Come, come at me with respect. We are working our ass off. 1189 00:53:01,917 --> 00:53:05,208 I do this for a living. We're gonna get this done. Okay? 1190 00:53:05,208 --> 00:53:07,042 Don't panic. Trust the process. 1191 00:53:07,042 --> 00:53:09,500 Just like I tell her, trust the process. 1192 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:12,167 Give us the opportunity to get it done. 1193 00:53:12,167 --> 00:53:13,875 Okay? Don't panic, that's all I'm asking you. 1194 00:53:13,875 --> 00:53:15,208 - Sorry for blowing up. 1195 00:53:15,208 --> 00:53:16,292 I'm just, my blood pressure's been high. 1196 00:53:16,292 --> 00:53:18,375 - I get it. - Since yesterday 1197 00:53:18,375 --> 00:53:20,750 and I'm just having so much anxiety right now. It's just... 1198 00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:21,792 - I get it. 1199 00:53:21,792 --> 00:53:24,042 You have been wanting to do this for a decade, 1200 00:53:24,042 --> 00:53:25,417 15 years, whatever. 1201 00:53:25,417 --> 00:53:26,958 And you, you got the green light right now, 1202 00:53:26,958 --> 00:53:28,542 so I get you want to go, go, go. 1203 00:53:28,542 --> 00:53:31,250 We have taken about what we took five, six tons? 1204 00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:32,833 - Yeah. It takes so much to even... 1205 00:53:32,833 --> 00:53:34,542 - This is another four tons that's in the dumpster. 1206 00:53:34,542 --> 00:53:37,333 - It takes a few hours to even make a dent in the place. 1207 00:53:37,333 --> 00:53:38,958 That's... - So let's regroup. 1208 00:53:38,958 --> 00:53:41,250 Let's stop talking about it so we can get back in there 1209 00:53:41,250 --> 00:53:43,042 and get the house empty. 1210 00:53:43,042 --> 00:53:45,542 - Yes, sir. - Keeping her in mind. Okay? 1211 00:53:45,542 --> 00:53:47,875 Linda, yesterday we made a lot of decisions. 1212 00:53:47,875 --> 00:53:50,750 We let a lot of stuff go. You did a lot of sorting. 1213 00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:52,958 How are you feeling today? 1214 00:53:54,667 --> 00:53:59,250 - I just, I just wanna get it done and over with. I wanna... 1215 00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:01,417 - I just wanna know what is your vision of done? 1216 00:54:01,417 --> 00:54:03,708 When you say I just want it done, what is done? 1217 00:54:03,708 --> 00:54:04,792 - Well, I mean... 1218 00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:07,708 - Is the house empty when it's done? 1219 00:54:07,708 --> 00:54:09,125 - Yeah. 1220 00:54:09,125 --> 00:54:10,625 - Okay. So that's the goal is to get this house emptied. 1221 00:54:10,625 --> 00:54:14,667 - If Cory's team opens a box or a bag, 1222 00:54:14,667 --> 00:54:18,083 looks through it and there's any kind of jewelry, 1223 00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:19,167 that will come to you. 1224 00:54:19,167 --> 00:54:20,250 - Okay. 1225 00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:22,250 - If they open the box or the bag 1226 00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:24,750 and there's no jewelry visible, they will dump it. 1227 00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:28,708 Can we agree on that? 'Cause this is what we're facing. 1228 00:54:28,708 --> 00:54:32,042 Either you all trust us and we get it done, 1229 00:54:32,042 --> 00:54:34,375 and by we, I mean Cory and his team, 1230 00:54:34,375 --> 00:54:38,917 or you don't trust us and then we work at your pace, 1231 00:54:38,917 --> 00:54:41,625 but it will not get completed. 1232 00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:46,708 So option A, trust us, we're going to do our best. 1233 00:54:47,417 --> 00:54:49,792 Don't trust us, that's fine. 1234 00:54:49,792 --> 00:54:51,917 But the house does not get cleared out. 1235 00:54:51,917 --> 00:54:53,917 This is the goal you asked for. 1236 00:54:53,917 --> 00:54:55,542 This is the way we get there. 1237 00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:59,042 - And the more you hesitate, the less time we have. 1238 00:54:59,042 --> 00:55:02,208 - So we just need a yes, I agree. 1239 00:55:02,208 --> 00:55:04,583 And my goal, like you said, is to get it done. 1240 00:55:04,583 --> 00:55:07,583 - Okay, okay, okay. - Porcelain and photos. 1241 00:55:07,583 --> 00:55:09,625 - Okay, okay. - Okay. Perfect. 1242 00:55:10,958 --> 00:55:13,792 [dramatic music] 1243 00:55:28,375 --> 00:55:30,042 - Got turquoise? - Real turquoise. 1244 00:55:36,042 --> 00:55:39,375 - If we leave and you have all these things still, 1245 00:55:39,375 --> 00:55:41,333 what do you want us to do with them? 1246 00:55:41,333 --> 00:55:42,875 Before we leave. 1247 00:55:42,875 --> 00:55:45,250 All of these ceramics and stuff? What's your plan with it? 1248 00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:47,625 - All right. I'll get a very small storage. 1249 00:55:49,375 --> 00:55:50,958 - What are you storing it for? 1250 00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:53,917 - 'Cause I wanna sell it. 1251 00:55:53,917 --> 00:55:55,625 - No one's gonna take it in this condition. 1252 00:55:55,625 --> 00:55:57,500 And I'm not, I don't wanna get into a bickering match with you. 1253 00:55:57,500 --> 00:55:58,792 I'm not lecturing you. 1254 00:55:58,792 --> 00:56:00,792 I just wanna honestly understand your mindset 1255 00:56:00,792 --> 00:56:03,000 on how you're gonna sell all this. 1256 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,208 Hello? 1257 00:56:04,208 --> 00:56:06,167 - I, I don't know what you're... 1258 00:56:06,167 --> 00:56:08,417 - [Cory] I know, 'cause you're not really paying attention. 1259 00:56:08,417 --> 00:56:10,875 - Well, what? I don't know what you're talking about. 1260 00:56:10,875 --> 00:56:11,750 - [Cory] No. So stop. 1261 00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:13,500 - I can only make a small amount. 1262 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:16,375 - [Cory] Have the moment. - My jewelry is expensive. 1263 00:56:16,375 --> 00:56:18,375 I'm not gonna make a small amount. 1264 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,583 - I'm talking about this stuff. 1265 00:56:20,583 --> 00:56:22,958 This stuff that definitely needs to be cleaned. 1266 00:56:22,958 --> 00:56:24,792 It's gonna be packed. It's gonna be wrapped up. 1267 00:56:24,792 --> 00:56:26,125 Someone's gonna have to unpack it all, 1268 00:56:26,125 --> 00:56:30,292 find it all in a storage unit with 30, 40 boxes. 1269 00:56:30,292 --> 00:56:33,958 Clean it all, and then sell it all. 1270 00:56:33,958 --> 00:56:35,542 I don't see you doing that. 1271 00:56:36,458 --> 00:56:39,083 Do you agree? - I don't know. 1272 00:56:39,083 --> 00:56:40,750 - You don't know? 1273 00:56:40,750 --> 00:56:44,167 Because you don't want to have this conversation? 1274 00:56:44,167 --> 00:56:45,708 You just wanna box it all up? 1275 00:56:46,875 --> 00:56:49,000 All right, we're gonna go make some progress 1276 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,417 in the bigger picture. 1277 00:56:52,458 --> 00:56:55,417 [dramatic music] 1278 00:57:17,708 --> 00:57:19,958 How you doing? Cory. - Hi, Christy with 321 Homes. 1279 00:57:19,958 --> 00:57:21,792 - Nice to meet you, Christy. - Nice to meet you. 1280 00:57:21,792 --> 00:57:23,958 - Thank you for first taking my call and this short notice. 1281 00:57:23,958 --> 00:57:27,833 Our concern really is that the family plans on living here. 1282 00:57:27,833 --> 00:57:28,875 - Okay. 1283 00:57:28,875 --> 00:57:30,792 - Not right away. They understand that now. 1284 00:57:30,792 --> 00:57:33,292 But what we're really looking for are, you know, 1285 00:57:33,292 --> 00:57:34,708 answers and options for them. 1286 00:57:34,708 --> 00:57:36,625 Either they sell it as is, 1287 00:57:36,625 --> 00:57:38,458 or they hire a contractor like yourself 1288 00:57:38,458 --> 00:57:40,208 to come in and, and make it livable. 1289 00:57:40,208 --> 00:57:42,750 But we just need to know kind of, we don't need exact, 1290 00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:44,208 I know that's tough, but kind of 1291 00:57:44,208 --> 00:57:46,792 what your best guess would be on to fix this place up, 1292 00:57:46,792 --> 00:57:48,667 how much would you have to invest into it? 1293 00:57:48,667 --> 00:57:50,125 To make it livable and safe, basically. 1294 00:57:50,125 --> 00:57:52,917 You can go in the front door, you can go in the garage, 1295 00:57:52,917 --> 00:57:54,542 wherever you, wherever you wanna look. 1296 00:57:54,542 --> 00:57:56,333 - I guess we could go in through the front door. 1297 00:57:56,333 --> 00:57:57,750 - A couple rooms are still inaccessible. 1298 00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:59,083 - Okay. - Just so you know. 1299 00:58:05,042 --> 00:58:07,542 - What are we looking at? What is this? 1300 00:58:07,542 --> 00:58:09,667 This is you and your mom? 1301 00:58:09,667 --> 00:58:14,750 - Oh my god. I worshiped my mother. I worshiped my mother. 1302 00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:16,583 - When did you lose your mom? 1303 00:58:20,167 --> 00:58:22,500 - Oh God, I just can't think of the year right now. 1304 00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:23,833 It's been... 1305 00:58:23,833 --> 00:58:24,958 - Were you married? Were you not married? 1306 00:58:24,958 --> 00:58:26,375 Did you have children? - I was married. 1307 00:58:26,375 --> 00:58:28,042 Yeah. No, she adored Zach. 1308 00:58:28,042 --> 00:58:29,125 - Yeah. 1309 00:58:30,875 --> 00:58:32,083 - I miss her. 1310 00:58:32,083 --> 00:58:34,708 - I know you do. I know you miss her. 1311 00:58:34,708 --> 00:58:37,000 So this is your mom's urn. Where are the... 1312 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,083 - Nothing was... 1313 00:58:38,083 --> 00:58:40,542 - Where are the ashes of the child that you lost? 1314 00:58:40,542 --> 00:58:42,375 - In the dresser in that room. 1315 00:58:42,375 --> 00:58:43,958 Main bedroom. 1316 00:58:45,458 --> 00:58:46,958 In those drawers. 1317 00:58:48,042 --> 00:58:50,750 In a brass container. 1318 00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:53,542 - Alright, let me talk to Cory and see if we can get those. 1319 00:58:53,542 --> 00:58:54,833 Hey, Cory. 1320 00:58:57,583 --> 00:59:00,250 So I think you remember Scott sharing with us 1321 00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:04,333 that they lost a child early on in their marriage. 1322 00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:05,750 Linda was just telling me 1323 00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:09,917 that the ashes of that child are in a... 1324 00:59:09,917 --> 00:59:11,167 - Copper. 1325 00:59:11,167 --> 00:59:14,625 I'm pretty sure it's copper with the top on it. 1326 00:59:14,625 --> 00:59:17,583 And it was in the drawers in that room. 1327 00:59:17,583 --> 00:59:19,375 - I was told it's in the apartment in the closet, 1328 00:59:19,375 --> 00:59:21,042 safe where you're at now. 1329 00:59:21,042 --> 00:59:24,042 Mackenzie and Zach both said it's in the closet. 1330 00:59:24,042 --> 00:59:26,542 - Oh, okay. Could I ask 'em again please? 1331 00:59:26,542 --> 00:59:29,000 - No, we have, we've confirmed and they said they, 1332 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,042 they know exactly where it is in the closet. 1333 00:59:32,042 --> 00:59:33,458 - I have a quick question for you. 1334 00:59:33,458 --> 00:59:34,583 - Mom and dad. 1335 00:59:34,583 --> 00:59:36,042 - Beautiful. - Boats. 1336 00:59:36,042 --> 00:59:38,167 - Quick question. Stop avoiding my questions. 1337 00:59:38,167 --> 00:59:42,417 How would you feel about like a beach service 1338 00:59:42,417 --> 00:59:45,625 for the ashes of your child? 1339 00:59:46,542 --> 00:59:49,292 Because Mr. Scott said to me that you all 1340 00:59:49,292 --> 00:59:52,417 just put 'em in a drawer and you never really dealt with it. 1341 00:59:52,417 --> 00:59:53,542 Would that be helpful? 1342 00:59:53,542 --> 00:59:55,375 Would that give you some closure maybe 1343 00:59:55,375 --> 00:59:57,500 for you and your ex-husband? - I don't know about that. 1344 00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:58,875 - I mean, really honest to God, 1345 00:59:58,875 --> 01:00:00,375 I'm not thinking about it right now. 1346 01:00:00,375 --> 01:00:01,875 - Okay. 1347 01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:04,667 - My ear hurts and I can't talk about it right now. 1348 01:00:04,667 --> 01:00:07,583 - What worries me most about Linda is the fact 1349 01:00:07,583 --> 01:00:09,875 that she hasn't been willing to go into the deep 1350 01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:12,917 and dark places that may have caused the hoarding. 1351 01:00:12,917 --> 01:00:14,917 And without her willing to do that, 1352 01:00:14,917 --> 01:00:18,042 without her even willing to open up a little bit, 1353 01:00:18,042 --> 01:00:21,792 I'm just not sure that she can stop hoarding moving forward. 1354 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000 - My name's Cory. - Hi Cory. 1355 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,875 - And you can see this is... - This is a lot of stuff. 1356 01:00:56,875 --> 01:00:58,042 - Yeah. 1357 01:00:58,042 --> 01:01:00,042 - A lot of costume. I see silver. Yeah. 1358 01:01:00,042 --> 01:01:03,167 - We tried grouping it together, but it's really hard. 1359 01:01:03,167 --> 01:01:04,458 - Yes, it is. 1360 01:01:04,458 --> 01:01:05,833 - So I just think we need to determine 1361 01:01:05,833 --> 01:01:07,708 if there's really value to this stuff. 1362 01:01:07,708 --> 01:01:09,375 I asked her what she thought it was all worth 1363 01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:10,792 and she said, oh, 30 to 40,000. 1364 01:01:10,792 --> 01:01:13,250 And I said, well if I write you a check 1365 01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:14,375 for 30,000 right now, 1366 01:01:14,375 --> 01:01:15,542 then will you let it all go? 1367 01:01:15,542 --> 01:01:17,125 And she wouldn't. 1368 01:01:17,125 --> 01:01:18,833 So I, I don't know that the money is really that important 1369 01:01:18,833 --> 01:01:20,167 or if it's just having the stuff. 1370 01:01:20,167 --> 01:01:21,125 But we do need to know. 1371 01:01:21,125 --> 01:01:22,708 - Sure. - I'm gonna go back in. 1372 01:01:22,708 --> 01:01:24,208 I'll give you some time to look around, 1373 01:01:24,208 --> 01:01:25,625 and when you're ready just let me know. 1374 01:01:25,625 --> 01:01:26,500 We can talk after that. Okay? 1375 01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:27,583 - Alright. 1376 01:01:27,583 --> 01:01:29,042 - Thank you so much. - Thank you. 1377 01:01:30,542 --> 01:01:33,333 [tense music] 1378 01:02:05,583 --> 01:02:07,042 - Hi. 1379 01:02:07,042 --> 01:02:09,125 - Weren't supposed to be here 'til I got here. 1380 01:02:09,125 --> 01:02:11,042 This is not the way I want it out. 1381 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,667 - This is the safest way it can be done. 1382 01:02:13,667 --> 01:02:14,917 - No. - Yes. 1383 01:02:16,042 --> 01:02:19,250 - I have gone through just one, this one box. 1384 01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:23,708 All this is gold right here. And this is 18 karat. 1385 01:02:23,708 --> 01:02:25,208 - Try not to be upset. Okay? 1386 01:02:25,208 --> 01:02:26,792 We just wanted to give her a moment 1387 01:02:26,792 --> 01:02:28,625 to be able to look at the stuff. Okay? 1388 01:02:28,625 --> 01:02:30,542 - Okay, sorry. - Do you wanna take a seat? 1389 01:02:30,542 --> 01:02:31,542 - Yeah. 1390 01:02:31,542 --> 01:02:33,250 - So this was in one box, 1391 01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:36,042 and I found all this gold here and it's probably, 1392 01:02:36,042 --> 01:02:38,875 I would say eight to $10,000 right here. 1393 01:02:38,875 --> 01:02:40,708 How does that feel? 1394 01:02:40,708 --> 01:02:42,375 - I knew, I know. 1395 01:02:42,375 --> 01:02:46,292 - Well of course you know, but you couldn't get to it. 1396 01:02:46,292 --> 01:02:49,125 So how does it feel to be able to actually touch it, 1397 01:02:49,125 --> 01:02:50,792 and have someone else touch it? 1398 01:02:50,792 --> 01:02:51,667 Forget about you knew. 1399 01:02:51,667 --> 01:02:53,542 - Yeah. 1400 01:02:53,542 --> 01:02:55,208 - Yeah. Okay, let's go with that. 1401 01:02:55,208 --> 01:02:57,917 - We, we can put all of that in it's nice, 1402 01:02:57,917 --> 01:03:01,042 separate bag, box, whatever you want. 1403 01:03:01,042 --> 01:03:03,375 So you know where that strict, like, 1404 01:03:03,375 --> 01:03:06,708 actual gold, good stuff is. 1405 01:03:06,708 --> 01:03:09,208 What would your estimate be in silver? 1406 01:03:09,208 --> 01:03:12,625 - In silver? Well that's, yeah, you would have to weigh it, 1407 01:03:12,625 --> 01:03:16,292 but I, well, 16 ounces is a pound, 1408 01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:18,542 and, oh, I don't know. 1409 01:03:18,542 --> 01:03:20,083 There's so much here. 1410 01:03:20,083 --> 01:03:22,125 - Well, and there's still more in the bags over there. 1411 01:03:22,125 --> 01:03:23,250 Don't forget. - Oh my gosh. 1412 01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:24,458 - We haven't gone through all this. 1413 01:03:24,458 --> 01:03:25,875 - Right, right. 1414 01:03:25,875 --> 01:03:29,167 So I mean, it might be, you know, $2,000 in silver, 1415 01:03:29,167 --> 01:03:31,542 which is only, you know, $24 an ounce. 1416 01:03:31,542 --> 01:03:32,792 - [Cory] How much was it in gold? 1417 01:03:32,792 --> 01:03:34,542 - This pile right here? About 10 grand. 1418 01:03:34,542 --> 01:03:36,375 - I think the silver's worth more 1419 01:03:36,375 --> 01:03:39,375 because it's something you're not gonna find online. 1420 01:03:39,375 --> 01:03:42,917 - Plus a lot of things are signed. So you are right. 1421 01:03:42,917 --> 01:03:44,417 - [Cory] She's giving you pure silver value, I think. 1422 01:03:44,417 --> 01:03:46,000 - Yeah. I'm just telling you what it is. 1423 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,667 If we stuck it on the scale. - Melted down. 1424 01:03:48,667 --> 01:03:50,333 - Yep. Yep. Just for the metal content. 1425 01:03:50,333 --> 01:03:51,583 - Not the, not the... 1426 01:03:51,583 --> 01:03:54,667 - Not the signatures or any of the... 1427 01:03:54,667 --> 01:03:56,000 - Style. - Yes. 1428 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,708 - Can I ask you a logistical question? 1429 01:03:57,708 --> 01:04:00,167 - Of course. - For someone like this, 1430 01:04:00,167 --> 01:04:02,833 all this stuff that our team is finding and bringing out, 1431 01:04:02,833 --> 01:04:04,542 how does someone like her deal with this? 1432 01:04:04,542 --> 01:04:06,167 What does she do? 1433 01:04:06,167 --> 01:04:08,000 Can she hire someone like you to sort through 1434 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,375 and make sense for a fee or... 1435 01:04:09,375 --> 01:04:10,708 - Yeah. 1436 01:04:10,708 --> 01:04:11,958 - Because she's never gonna be able to... 1437 01:04:11,958 --> 01:04:13,542 - That's what I do, 1438 01:04:13,542 --> 01:04:16,125 I go through people's things and you know, I don't buy/sell. 1439 01:04:16,125 --> 01:04:18,042 I just tell you what you have. 1440 01:04:18,042 --> 01:04:20,417 - I'm sorry. Can I interrupt you for a second? Linda. 1441 01:04:20,417 --> 01:04:21,875 - Uh-huh. 1442 01:04:21,875 --> 01:04:23,208 - Linda just said to me, 1443 01:04:23,208 --> 01:04:24,958 "You don't think I know how to do this? 1444 01:04:24,958 --> 01:04:26,167 It pisses me off." 1445 01:04:26,167 --> 01:04:28,042 - I mean that I know the value of my jewelry. 1446 01:04:28,042 --> 01:04:29,417 - I hear you. - Yeah. 1447 01:04:29,417 --> 01:04:31,917 - This is not a question of your competence. 1448 01:04:31,917 --> 01:04:35,458 This is a question of you becoming overwhelmed 1449 01:04:35,458 --> 01:04:40,583 by the sheer volume of things you would have to go through. 1450 01:04:40,583 --> 01:04:42,083 And I keep saying this to you, 1451 01:04:42,083 --> 01:04:45,542 us supporting you is not us saying you can't do it. 1452 01:04:45,542 --> 01:04:48,625 It's us saying no one should have to do it alone. 1453 01:04:48,625 --> 01:04:49,917 Letting other people help you 1454 01:04:49,917 --> 01:04:51,583 doesn't mean you couldn't do it. 1455 01:04:51,583 --> 01:04:53,292 - Yeah. - Yeah? 1456 01:04:53,292 --> 01:04:56,375 And while Cory's here, I wanna give him a quick shout out 1457 01:04:56,375 --> 01:05:01,458 and his team, look how seriously they took your request. 1458 01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:05,417 There's a bracelet over there with a $2 tag. 1459 01:05:05,417 --> 01:05:08,292 But Stericlean did not throw that out. 1460 01:05:08,292 --> 01:05:12,292 Cory and his team did not throw out the $2 bracelet. 1461 01:05:12,292 --> 01:05:14,000 They heard you. 1462 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,917 And everything they could dig up, 1463 01:05:15,917 --> 01:05:18,542 they brought you and there's still bags and boxes 1464 01:05:18,542 --> 01:05:19,792 over there of things. 1465 01:05:19,792 --> 01:05:22,458 Again, a testament to what happens 1466 01:05:22,458 --> 01:05:25,417 when you trust people to support you. 1467 01:05:26,375 --> 01:05:28,083 - I have to give you credit because 1468 01:05:28,083 --> 01:05:30,458 you haven't stepped foot in that house probably 1469 01:05:30,458 --> 01:05:32,917 because physically you can't, and it's not healthy. 1470 01:05:32,917 --> 01:05:34,792 - Well, I wanna stay outta your way in there. 1471 01:05:34,792 --> 01:05:36,208 - That's what I'm saying. - Yes! 1472 01:05:36,208 --> 01:05:39,625 - You gave up all control and when you trust us, 1473 01:05:39,625 --> 01:05:41,458 this is the result. 1474 01:05:41,458 --> 01:05:44,375 I am completely blown away that Linda's jewelry 1475 01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:46,333 is actually worth what it's worth. 1476 01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:48,000 I don't know what the final number was, 1477 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,708 but it was like $40,000 just on that table. 1478 01:05:50,708 --> 01:05:52,042 We don't have a lot of time left. 1479 01:05:52,042 --> 01:05:53,542 The dumpster's actually getting picked up any minute, 1480 01:05:53,542 --> 01:05:54,708 but it is completely full. 1481 01:05:54,708 --> 01:05:57,875 And you can look at the top of it. It's overflowing. 1482 01:05:57,875 --> 01:05:59,000 I had good news with the dumpster. 1483 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,542 You guys have great news over here. 1484 01:06:00,542 --> 01:06:03,125 So let's see if this contractor can't give us 1485 01:06:03,125 --> 01:06:05,000 a third bit of good news today. 1486 01:06:14,125 --> 01:06:15,417 Christy just did a walkthrough. 1487 01:06:15,417 --> 01:06:18,042 She is the contractor I told you was coming. 1488 01:06:18,042 --> 01:06:20,375 I'm gonna let Christy kind of tell you what she found, 1489 01:06:20,375 --> 01:06:23,375 what she thinks, you might wanna sit down. 1490 01:06:23,375 --> 01:06:28,417 Sorry. But it's, it's not pretty as you know. Okay? 1491 01:06:28,417 --> 01:06:32,375 - There's a lot of mold that we know of that you could see. 1492 01:06:32,375 --> 01:06:35,000 So that would need to be mitigated. 1493 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,875 Your electrical is very aged. 1494 01:06:37,875 --> 01:06:41,583 So that needs to be all done 1495 01:06:41,583 --> 01:06:43,542 and brought up to the current building code. 1496 01:06:43,542 --> 01:06:44,375 - Right. 1497 01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:45,958 - Your drain lines are collapsed. 1498 01:06:45,958 --> 01:06:47,500 - Uh-huh. - You could tell that, 1499 01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:49,542 which is why you've had stuff coming up. 1500 01:06:49,542 --> 01:06:53,208 They were cast iron. So those would all need to be replaced. 1501 01:06:53,208 --> 01:06:56,458 In my opinion, I would gut the entire house to studs. 1502 01:06:56,458 --> 01:07:01,458 That includes the roof, the windows, all the doors. 1503 01:07:01,458 --> 01:07:04,750 All the walls, the ceiling installation, everything. 1504 01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:07,875 Where you're looking at block and maybe a couple walls, 1505 01:07:07,875 --> 01:07:10,708 and do a complete rebuild. 1506 01:07:10,708 --> 01:07:12,167 To do a complete rebuild, 1507 01:07:12,167 --> 01:07:15,417 you're looking probably close to $450,000. 1508 01:07:15,417 --> 01:07:17,750 It's not gonna be, it's not cheap. 1509 01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:19,750 - Zach, you're really quiet. 1510 01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:23,417 So I know this is not good news. What are you thinking? 1511 01:07:23,417 --> 01:07:27,125 - Well, it's just a lot to take in and think about, 1512 01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:30,542 and weigh the options and see what's available. 1513 01:07:30,542 --> 01:07:33,333 - Get it to code. That was the biggest thing that she said. 1514 01:07:33,333 --> 01:07:35,042 It's, it's not to code right now. 1515 01:07:35,042 --> 01:07:36,375 - Of course. 1516 01:07:36,375 --> 01:07:37,500 - But other than that, it's structurally sound. 1517 01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:39,250 The block walls aren't, you know, crumbling, 1518 01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:41,917 and so it has good bones, 1519 01:07:41,917 --> 01:07:44,333 and she said it's, it is a safe house 1520 01:07:44,333 --> 01:07:45,875 once it's rebuilt and up to code. 1521 01:07:45,875 --> 01:07:47,250 - Yeah. - Okay? 1522 01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:50,250 - We knew from the start the place most likely 1523 01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:54,333 was going to have to be gutted and was a possibility. 1524 01:07:54,333 --> 01:07:57,083 We kept it in the back of our minds and our hearts, 1525 01:07:57,083 --> 01:07:59,917 hearing her give us the estimate 1526 01:07:59,917 --> 01:08:04,708 of $400,000 was still gut-wrenching. 1527 01:08:04,708 --> 01:08:08,208 We weren't expecting it to be such a high price. 1528 01:08:08,208 --> 01:08:11,083 And it really makes us have to consider 1529 01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:14,417 what are we actually going to do with this house? 1530 01:08:43,208 --> 01:08:44,583 - Good morning, family. 1531 01:08:44,583 --> 01:08:46,500 So you'll notice we're short two people today. 1532 01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:48,583 Scott can't be here 'cause he's at work, 1533 01:08:48,583 --> 01:08:50,708 but hopefully we'll have him later today. 1534 01:08:50,708 --> 01:08:53,208 And Cory unfortunately had a family emergency, 1535 01:08:53,208 --> 01:08:54,625 couldn't be here. 1536 01:08:54,625 --> 01:08:57,500 But we are in great hands because Lee is here. 1537 01:08:57,500 --> 01:09:00,125 You know, he's been working with us the entire time, 1538 01:09:00,125 --> 01:09:01,625 and he's been leading the team as well. 1539 01:09:01,625 --> 01:09:04,292 And so Lee's gonna give us a little bit of information 1540 01:09:04,292 --> 01:09:06,125 about what we've done, where we are, 1541 01:09:06,125 --> 01:09:08,125 where we still have to go. Yeah? 1542 01:09:08,125 --> 01:09:10,833 - Yeah, absolutely. Well, good morning, family. 1543 01:09:10,833 --> 01:09:14,792 Just want to thank you for inviting us into your home 1544 01:09:14,792 --> 01:09:18,625 and, you know, to, to be part of your journey. Today's... 1545 01:09:18,625 --> 01:09:19,750 - Thank you so much. 1546 01:09:19,750 --> 01:09:22,708 - Sure. Well, today's the last push, right? 1547 01:09:22,708 --> 01:09:26,708 So at this point we have two bedrooms left. 1548 01:09:26,708 --> 01:09:28,917 We have a, a room off of the kitchen 1549 01:09:28,917 --> 01:09:30,542 that we're working to clean out, 1550 01:09:30,542 --> 01:09:33,333 and then one bedroom that we're working to clean out. 1551 01:09:33,333 --> 01:09:36,083 And everybody is making that last push 1552 01:09:36,083 --> 01:09:37,167 to get it done for you. 1553 01:09:37,167 --> 01:09:38,875 - So because it's the last push, 1554 01:09:38,875 --> 01:09:42,042 everybody's gonna have to work a little quicker today. 1555 01:09:42,042 --> 01:09:44,208 But don't worry, same rules apply. 1556 01:09:44,208 --> 01:09:47,542 Anything that's ceramic, porcelain, glass, photography, 1557 01:09:47,542 --> 01:09:51,583 or jewelry will of course be brought to you. 1558 01:09:51,583 --> 01:09:53,958 - Right. But they, they pack those immediately 1559 01:09:53,958 --> 01:09:57,042 from the cabinets and just put 'em in that thing, right? 1560 01:09:57,042 --> 01:09:59,042 - Yes. Okay. 1561 01:09:59,042 --> 01:10:01,667 So are we good to go? Team ready? 1562 01:10:01,667 --> 01:10:02,792 - Ready. - Yes. 1563 01:10:02,792 --> 01:10:04,375 - Ready. Absolutely. 1564 01:10:04,375 --> 01:10:06,333 Everybody's energized for the last push and ready to go. 1565 01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:07,542 - [Dr. D] All right. 1566 01:10:16,542 --> 01:10:17,833 - Take it from the front. 1567 01:10:21,542 --> 01:10:24,292 [dramatic music] 1568 01:10:44,167 --> 01:10:46,917 - So Linda, I wanted to have some one-on-one time with you. 1569 01:10:46,917 --> 01:10:48,292 - Okay. 1570 01:10:48,292 --> 01:10:49,583 - Without the distraction of sorting through 1571 01:10:49,583 --> 01:10:52,458 and sifting through some of your belongings. 1572 01:10:52,458 --> 01:10:54,250 There's a few conversations that I wanna have. 1573 01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:55,958 I told you we would have. 1574 01:10:55,958 --> 01:10:59,458 The most important one is how to move forward from here. 1575 01:11:00,708 --> 01:11:05,875 I really, really want you to consider going into therapy. 1576 01:11:05,875 --> 01:11:07,083 - Yeah, I will. - Okay. 1577 01:11:07,083 --> 01:11:08,375 - I agree. 1578 01:11:08,375 --> 01:11:09,542 - Okay, good. Great. I'm glad to hear that. 1579 01:11:09,542 --> 01:11:11,000 I'm glad to hear that. 1580 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,583 So what I did was, I found you a few in this zip code 1581 01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:18,750 who will accept the Medicare, 1582 01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:20,792 who use cognitive behavioral therapy, 1583 01:11:20,792 --> 01:11:24,208 which is the best modality for hoarding. 1584 01:11:24,208 --> 01:11:26,875 But I put asterisks next to the people 1585 01:11:26,875 --> 01:11:29,750 who have specializations in grief and trauma. 1586 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:31,417 - Okay. 1587 01:11:31,417 --> 01:11:33,583 - Why do you think I did that? 1588 01:11:33,583 --> 01:11:36,625 - Well, because you believe I was... 1589 01:11:38,208 --> 01:11:41,375 badly trauma-- you know, now that you mention it, 1590 01:11:41,375 --> 01:11:46,042 and see it from that perspective. So do I, but... 1591 01:11:46,042 --> 01:11:47,292 - Okay. 1592 01:11:47,292 --> 01:11:48,333 Yeah, that's, that's new and that's good 1593 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:49,583 and that's interesting. 1594 01:11:49,583 --> 01:11:50,875 - Yeah. 1595 01:11:50,875 --> 01:11:52,875 - So you didn't see it before, but now you can see. 1596 01:11:52,875 --> 01:11:55,542 - Well I just covered it up with buying stuff 1597 01:11:55,542 --> 01:11:58,667 and keeping busy that way. 1598 01:11:58,667 --> 01:12:01,667 - My concern has been that in the time 1599 01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:04,375 that we've spent together, we've only started to open up 1600 01:12:04,375 --> 01:12:06,292 some of these areas that are important for you 1601 01:12:06,292 --> 01:12:08,292 to dig deep into 1602 01:12:08,292 --> 01:12:09,958 if you're not gonna hoard again. 1603 01:12:09,958 --> 01:12:13,042 If you don't really figure out what was driving that 1604 01:12:13,042 --> 01:12:14,583 to begin with, 1605 01:12:14,583 --> 01:12:17,542 you may start to get tempted again in the future. 1606 01:12:17,542 --> 01:12:19,125 And I just don't want that for you. 1607 01:12:19,125 --> 01:12:24,417 - And in the past I never really mentioned, you know, my... 1608 01:12:26,542 --> 01:12:31,583 how exactly bad things were with Scott, 1609 01:12:32,708 --> 01:12:34,833 and raving, keeping us up all night drinking. 1610 01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:39,917 - So Scott would drink and you would hoard, 1611 01:12:39,917 --> 01:12:41,792 and you would hoard and Scott would drink. 1612 01:12:41,792 --> 01:12:43,708 Scott would drink and you would hoard. 1613 01:12:43,708 --> 01:12:47,750 And you guys were kind of stuck in this weird cyclical, 1614 01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:52,458 codependent, toxic relationship. Right? 1615 01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:53,958 - Oh, he always drank. - Yeah. 1616 01:12:53,958 --> 01:12:56,542 - I didn't always hoard. 1617 01:12:56,542 --> 01:12:58,958 - Okay, I hear that. I hear that. 1618 01:12:58,958 --> 01:13:00,500 But if he always drank, 1619 01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:03,583 then that means that you married someone who drank. 1620 01:13:03,583 --> 01:13:07,917 - I did. I thought that he would be able to stop 1621 01:13:07,917 --> 01:13:09,250 and want to stop. 1622 01:13:09,250 --> 01:13:12,417 And especially, you know, when he had Zach. 1623 01:13:12,417 --> 01:13:14,333 - Yeah. - You know. 1624 01:13:14,333 --> 01:13:16,167 - So on the list of things to discuss 1625 01:13:16,167 --> 01:13:19,875 with your therapist moving forward, is codependency. 1626 01:13:19,875 --> 01:13:21,750 And what it means to go into a relationship 1627 01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:23,917 with somebody and think that you can change them 1628 01:13:23,917 --> 01:13:26,875 and make them better and it will stop and it will change. 1629 01:13:26,875 --> 01:13:29,875 And how you get sucked into a toxic process. 1630 01:13:29,875 --> 01:13:30,875 - Yeah. 1631 01:13:30,875 --> 01:13:32,250 - When things don't change, right? 1632 01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:36,042 In some ways it is really difficult 1633 01:13:36,042 --> 01:13:40,208 to let go of the trauma and the grief and the pain 1634 01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:42,542 that you associate with the marriage. 1635 01:13:42,542 --> 01:13:45,333 And it would be unfair for me to ask you to do it, 1636 01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:47,625 and ask you to do it at the drop of a dime. 1637 01:13:47,625 --> 01:13:49,667 Right? Because that's your pain and it's real, 1638 01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,333 and it's legitimate and it's valid. 1639 01:13:52,333 --> 01:13:54,458 That's why I want you to seek therapy 1640 01:13:54,458 --> 01:13:56,042 so that you can sit with someone 1641 01:13:56,042 --> 01:13:57,542 and talk about those events, 1642 01:13:57,542 --> 01:13:59,708 and talk about how they impacted you, 1643 01:13:59,708 --> 01:14:01,875 and talk about how you feel about them now, 1644 01:14:01,875 --> 01:14:02,875 thinking about them. 1645 01:14:02,875 --> 01:14:04,833 And talk about the way they changed 1646 01:14:04,833 --> 01:14:07,875 your perspective of yourself, of the other person. 1647 01:14:07,875 --> 01:14:10,667 Do you think there's an opportunity for you all 1648 01:14:10,667 --> 01:14:14,542 to come together and maybe have some, some more resolution, 1649 01:14:14,542 --> 01:14:17,542 or some more closure around that relationship? 1650 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:20,875 - What do you mean? 1651 01:14:20,875 --> 01:14:22,542 Like, have a discussion about it? 1652 01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:25,792 - Maybe. Or maybe again, go to family therapy. 1653 01:14:25,792 --> 01:14:30,000 Or maybe we talked a little bit about the possibility 1654 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,708 of spreading, you know, the ashes of the child 1655 01:14:32,708 --> 01:14:34,500 that you shared and lost, 1656 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:37,708 so that you're not stuck in the past with him 1657 01:14:37,708 --> 01:14:41,000 and there's an opportunity to move forward together. 1658 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,625 - I'm really not around him. So I don't think about him. 1659 01:14:44,625 --> 01:14:47,167 - Why do you think he came then? 1660 01:14:47,167 --> 01:14:50,417 If you all have no real solid relationship in this moment, 1661 01:14:50,417 --> 01:14:52,042 why do you think he came? 1662 01:14:52,042 --> 01:14:55,625 - For Zach, I hope, and I'm thankful for that. 1663 01:14:55,625 --> 01:14:56,875 - [Dr. D] Okay. 1664 01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:59,000 - And you're saying he came for me too 1665 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,625 and that's nice to know. 1666 01:15:00,625 --> 01:15:03,125 - Yeah. Yeah. 1667 01:15:03,125 --> 01:15:06,458 Think about these things because again, 1668 01:15:06,458 --> 01:15:09,375 clearing out the house is one process. 1669 01:15:09,375 --> 01:15:12,958 We've taken you very far on that process. 1670 01:15:12,958 --> 01:15:16,292 Clearing out your heart, cleaning out that mind, 1671 01:15:16,292 --> 01:15:19,250 some of the ways you think, some of the ways you behave, 1672 01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:21,167 some of the ways you all interact, 1673 01:15:21,167 --> 01:15:22,292 that's a separate process. 1674 01:15:22,292 --> 01:15:23,375 - Right. 1675 01:15:23,375 --> 01:15:24,708 - And you all have to really commit 1676 01:15:24,708 --> 01:15:26,167 to taking it the rest of the way. 1677 01:15:26,167 --> 01:15:28,333 - Yeah? - Yes. 1678 01:15:28,333 --> 01:15:29,500 - Okay. - Thank you. 1679 01:15:30,417 --> 01:15:32,333 - Look at you. Was that gratitude? 1680 01:15:32,333 --> 01:15:33,708 Yes! 1681 01:15:33,708 --> 01:15:37,042 - Oh I'm very grateful for everybody here. 1682 01:15:37,042 --> 01:15:41,000 And working, worked so hard, all of you. 1683 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,250 And I appreciate it. 1684 01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:44,792 From the bottom of my heart, 1685 01:15:44,792 --> 01:15:48,417 this is really gonna change my life for the better. 1686 01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:49,625 And I'm so thankful. 1687 01:15:50,708 --> 01:15:52,042 I feel good about the conversation 1688 01:15:52,042 --> 01:15:53,333 that I had with Linda. 1689 01:15:53,333 --> 01:15:55,542 We really got an opportunity to explore 1690 01:15:55,542 --> 01:15:57,333 some of the loss that she's experienced 1691 01:15:57,333 --> 01:16:00,667 and the impact that may have had on her hoarding. 1692 01:16:00,667 --> 01:16:03,000 I think that Linda's open to continuing 1693 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,667 with individual therapy after this and some family therapy. 1694 01:16:06,667 --> 01:16:08,458 And I think that could be really helpful for her 1695 01:16:08,458 --> 01:16:10,917 and her loved ones moving forward. 1696 01:17:09,583 --> 01:17:10,833 - Whoa. 1697 01:17:12,458 --> 01:17:14,667 All cleared out. 1698 01:17:16,333 --> 01:17:19,000 [bright music] 1699 01:17:20,875 --> 01:17:23,333 - Haven't seen this floor for decades. 1700 01:17:23,333 --> 01:17:26,083 - It's a little different than when we started. No? 1701 01:17:30,333 --> 01:17:34,708 So family. This is our last day together as a team. 1702 01:17:34,708 --> 01:17:38,708 Well we have done a lot of work in this house. 1703 01:17:38,708 --> 01:17:40,833 And by we, I mean you all. 1704 01:17:40,833 --> 01:17:43,375 Lee, tell me a little bit about 1705 01:17:43,375 --> 01:17:44,792 what was accomplished here. 1706 01:17:44,792 --> 01:17:47,042 Where did we start? How bad was it? 1707 01:17:47,042 --> 01:17:48,375 - Well, we started in a place 1708 01:17:48,375 --> 01:17:51,375 where we really couldn't safely enter the home. 1709 01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:54,167 And then once we made our path into the home, 1710 01:17:54,167 --> 01:17:58,750 I estimate that we removed probably 20 to 24,000 tons 1711 01:17:58,750 --> 01:18:01,708 of trash from here. 1712 01:18:01,708 --> 01:18:04,375 It was a number of different full dumpsters. 1713 01:18:04,375 --> 01:18:06,375 We cleaned three bedrooms. 1714 01:18:07,333 --> 01:18:10,000 [bright music] 1715 01:18:17,375 --> 01:18:19,000 The two bathrooms. 1716 01:18:24,708 --> 01:18:27,708 The living room, the kitchen. 1717 01:18:32,208 --> 01:18:34,708 There's a little bit of the house yet to be done. 1718 01:18:34,708 --> 01:18:36,708 The back porch and the garage. 1719 01:18:36,708 --> 01:18:38,750 But for the most part the house is clean. 1720 01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:42,958 - Yeah. - Wow. So it's not pretty. 1721 01:18:42,958 --> 01:18:47,125 We haven't had maid service come, there's none of that. 1722 01:18:47,125 --> 01:18:52,083 But there are no dead animals. We can more or less breathe. 1723 01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:57,042 Right? We're in here. How does that feel? Family? 1724 01:18:57,042 --> 01:18:58,833 - It's different. As I was saying, 1725 01:18:58,833 --> 01:19:02,750 this is the first time I've ever seen it this empty. 1726 01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:05,208 It's been clean in the past when I was little, 1727 01:19:05,208 --> 01:19:07,542 but I've never seen it... - Empty. 1728 01:19:07,542 --> 01:19:08,875 - Empty. 1729 01:19:08,875 --> 01:19:10,750 - It's bittersweet. 'cause you see it empty, 1730 01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:12,292 and that's part of the process. 1731 01:19:12,292 --> 01:19:14,750 But then you see how much has to be done. 1732 01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:18,375 So, the excitement and the happiness 1733 01:19:18,375 --> 01:19:21,500 of having it clean is kind of dulled by-- 1734 01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:22,708 - So thankful. - The mess. 1735 01:19:22,708 --> 01:19:26,917 - I definitely will admit that my stress 1736 01:19:26,917 --> 01:19:29,458 is through the roof, even though the cleaning is done. 1737 01:19:29,458 --> 01:19:33,333 And that has taken a huge load off of our shoulders. 1738 01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:37,042 We still have to consider what the house is worth, 1739 01:19:37,042 --> 01:19:40,083 and if we wanna keep it and attempt to rebuild, 1740 01:19:40,083 --> 01:19:44,292 or if we need to move on and settle in a different way. 1741 01:19:44,292 --> 01:19:46,208 - So I hear what you're saying Mackenzie. 1742 01:19:46,208 --> 01:19:50,667 Its a very difficult thing to see this house empty 1743 01:19:50,667 --> 01:19:53,125 and need so much repair. 1744 01:19:53,125 --> 01:19:56,208 And it can be deflating. I get that. 1745 01:19:56,208 --> 01:19:58,833 But I wanna remind you where we started. 1746 01:19:58,833 --> 01:20:03,542 Right? We had multiple code enforcement violations. 1747 01:20:03,542 --> 01:20:05,000 Right? Your mom was in court. 1748 01:20:05,875 --> 01:20:10,167 We had a bunch of mold and trash. 1749 01:20:10,167 --> 01:20:14,167 We were up against a lot. And in a very short time. 1750 01:20:14,167 --> 01:20:16,042 - Oh yes, a very short time. - Very short time. 1751 01:20:16,042 --> 01:20:17,917 Everybody here came together 1752 01:20:17,917 --> 01:20:19,792 and got this house completely cleared. 1753 01:20:19,792 --> 01:20:21,583 So it's a huge feat. 1754 01:20:21,583 --> 01:20:23,458 - Oh God, yes. - It's a huge feat. 1755 01:20:23,458 --> 01:20:24,917 - Oh gosh. Yes. 1756 01:20:24,917 --> 01:20:27,042 - Zach and I tried to tackle it ourselves a year ago 1757 01:20:27,042 --> 01:20:29,042 and barely put a dent in it and we're like, 1758 01:20:29,042 --> 01:20:32,000 there's no way this is ever gonna happen. 1759 01:20:33,125 --> 01:20:35,458 As far as the cleanup went, there was a lot 1760 01:20:35,458 --> 01:20:37,292 of outstanding progress made. 1761 01:20:37,292 --> 01:20:40,208 Zach and I took a shot at it last summer, 1762 01:20:40,208 --> 01:20:43,167 barely put a dent in it with a 20 yard dumpsters. 1763 01:20:43,167 --> 01:20:46,125 You filled up three forty yard dumpsters. 1764 01:20:46,125 --> 01:20:49,208 So it's amazing, you know, with, 1765 01:20:49,208 --> 01:20:52,500 even with the people we had, how much progress made. 1766 01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:54,917 - Not only did the team clear out the house, 1767 01:20:54,917 --> 01:20:58,458 in what became a treasure hunt in here, 1768 01:20:58,458 --> 01:21:02,125 we recovered something like $60,000 worth of jewelry. 1769 01:21:02,125 --> 01:21:04,833 - Uh-huh. - From Miss Linda, 1770 01:21:04,833 --> 01:21:06,708 who we doubted. 1771 01:21:06,708 --> 01:21:08,417 Right? [laughing] 1772 01:21:08,417 --> 01:21:11,542 So we eat our words. 1773 01:21:11,542 --> 01:21:12,667 - Yeah. Okay. - Linda? 1774 01:21:13,708 --> 01:21:17,125 - I love jewelry. I've been collecting it since I was 13. 1775 01:21:17,125 --> 01:21:18,500 It's just my favorite. 1776 01:21:19,708 --> 01:21:23,208 It was my favorite thing to, to collect. 1777 01:21:23,208 --> 01:21:27,125 I'm gonna sell a lot of the sterling silver 1778 01:21:27,125 --> 01:21:29,208 and probably the gold also. 1779 01:21:29,208 --> 01:21:31,625 And putting some money into the house. 1780 01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:33,958 Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. 1781 01:21:33,958 --> 01:21:36,250 - Obviously we have the, the house cleared out, 1782 01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:38,125 and hopefully either you'll be able to sell it or, 1783 01:21:38,125 --> 01:21:39,583 or move back into it. 1784 01:21:39,583 --> 01:21:42,792 But that's, that's a ways away. So what happens today? 1785 01:21:42,792 --> 01:21:44,875 Where does mom go today? 1786 01:21:44,875 --> 01:21:48,250 - She'll be coming back home with us. 1787 01:21:48,250 --> 01:21:52,667 - Is your partner's mom wanted in your home? 1788 01:21:52,667 --> 01:21:55,208 - I think as long as we can stick 1789 01:21:55,208 --> 01:21:56,833 to each other's boundaries, then yeah. 1790 01:21:56,833 --> 01:21:58,500 - Let's get it. Let's get it answered. 1791 01:21:58,500 --> 01:21:59,792 - Yes. Yes, yes. 1792 01:21:59,792 --> 01:22:00,917 A hundred percent. - Okay. 1793 01:22:00,917 --> 01:22:02,792 - And I will try... - Linda. 1794 01:22:02,792 --> 01:22:04,542 - To stick to those boundaries. 1795 01:22:04,542 --> 01:22:07,958 - Are you grateful to be welcomed into your son's home? 1796 01:22:07,958 --> 01:22:09,583 - Of course I am. - By him and his partner. 1797 01:22:09,583 --> 01:22:11,167 - Yes. 1798 01:22:11,167 --> 01:22:15,875 - I'm gonna try my best to mediate between my mother 1799 01:22:15,875 --> 01:22:17,708 and Mackenzie, 1800 01:22:17,708 --> 01:22:22,208 and even try to be a little more patient with my mother. 1801 01:22:22,208 --> 01:22:27,167 It's, it's probably not gonna be easy, to tell the truth. 1802 01:22:28,333 --> 01:22:31,042 - I think when we get home we need to all sit down 1803 01:22:31,042 --> 01:22:33,708 and have a discussion about what we're gonna do next. 1804 01:22:33,708 --> 01:22:35,417 - Okay, good. And in that same vein, 1805 01:22:35,417 --> 01:22:37,875 I had a chance to talk to Linda earlier. 1806 01:22:37,875 --> 01:22:39,542 I've asked her to consider 1807 01:22:39,542 --> 01:22:42,083 going to individual therapy after this. 1808 01:22:42,083 --> 01:22:44,542 She has agreed. She's excited to do that. 1809 01:22:44,542 --> 01:22:46,000 - Yeah. 1810 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,792 - I've also suggested that you all go to counseling, 1811 01:22:47,792 --> 01:22:49,708 to family therapy together. 1812 01:22:49,708 --> 01:22:53,375 Okay? I think family therapy is very important for you. 1813 01:22:53,375 --> 01:22:55,583 There's a child in the middle now 1814 01:22:55,583 --> 01:22:58,958 that's gonna pick up all of the communication patterns 1815 01:22:58,958 --> 01:23:00,375 that he hears. 1816 01:23:00,375 --> 01:23:02,708 So if you all are ranting and raving and carrying on 1817 01:23:02,708 --> 01:23:05,042 and disrespecting one another, guess who's coming up? 1818 01:23:05,042 --> 01:23:06,083 - Oh yeah. - Right. 1819 01:23:06,083 --> 01:23:07,667 - So think about him first. 1820 01:23:07,667 --> 01:23:10,375 - So just think about that, and make sure that you all get 1821 01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:12,333 to family therapy after this as well. Yeah? 1822 01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:15,292 What happens from this point forward is a mystery. 1823 01:23:15,292 --> 01:23:18,458 It's really up to the family to continue with therapy 1824 01:23:18,458 --> 01:23:22,042 after this, as well as Linda committing to really, 1825 01:23:22,042 --> 01:23:25,208 really addressing the deep motives 1826 01:23:25,208 --> 01:23:27,458 for why she began hoarding in the first place. 1827 01:23:27,458 --> 01:23:31,042 I think they've made enough progress where I'm hopeful, 1828 01:23:31,042 --> 01:23:33,042 but there's really no way to know. 1829 01:23:33,042 --> 01:23:35,208 But what I want you all to do right now 1830 01:23:35,208 --> 01:23:37,625 is take a moment and look at the rest of the rooms, 1831 01:23:37,625 --> 01:23:40,708 and just see all of the work that has already been done. 1832 01:23:40,708 --> 01:23:42,083 Because that's an important place 1833 01:23:42,083 --> 01:23:43,875 for us to focus our attention. Right? 1834 01:23:43,875 --> 01:23:46,292 - I am so grateful to all of you. 1835 01:23:46,292 --> 01:23:48,208 So grateful, more than you know. 1836 01:23:48,208 --> 01:23:50,792 It's a really tough job. 1837 01:23:50,792 --> 01:23:54,250 Everybody worked so hard for me, 1838 01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:59,917 and I appreciate it so much from my heart, heart felt. 1839 01:23:59,917 --> 01:24:02,917 It's just wonderful what you did. 1840 01:24:02,917 --> 01:24:05,042 I know there's a lot more to do but, 1841 01:24:05,042 --> 01:24:07,375 oh my God, you did so much. 1842 01:24:08,542 --> 01:24:11,542 - So Lee and I are going to take our leave, 1843 01:24:11,542 --> 01:24:13,708 and we're gonna leave you to talk about 1844 01:24:13,708 --> 01:24:16,708 rebuilding the family and rebuilding the home. Yeah? 1845 01:24:16,708 --> 01:24:18,042 - Yeah. - Thank you. 1846 01:24:18,042 --> 01:24:20,792 - Thank you so much. Outstanding. 1847 01:24:20,792 --> 01:24:21,917 - Good luck. - Love you all. 1848 01:24:21,917 --> 01:24:24,833 - Thank you so much. - Thank you. 1849 01:24:24,833 --> 01:24:27,792 - We'll talk soon, okay? - Alright doc. 1850 01:24:27,792 --> 01:24:28,875 - All right. 1851 01:24:28,875 --> 01:24:31,125 - Thank you so much, Lee. - Sure. 1852 01:24:31,125 --> 01:24:33,625 [pensive music]