- ♪
- This is gonna be my final season.
- Oh my god. She's lying to us.
You didn't watch the video
that allegedly showed Sean with a pipe, right?
- No, I'm not-- I'm not doing this.
- Do you think you have broken
the intergenerational cycle of trauma?
- Yes! [laughs]
- You don't look up what's financially efficient
for me and you.
You make that decision on your salary.
You do not consult with me
before you sign her name on something.
You never do. - I'm done here.
I don't wanna finish this conversation.
I wanna go home. I'm going home.
- Reality can't be spoke of.
- ♪
- [cheers and applause]
- Welcome to part two of the Teen Mom 2 Reunion.
I'm Nessa here once again with Dr. Drew.
- [applause]
- Just as a reminder, we're doing
a socially distanced reunion this time.
Dr. Drew and I are in New York.
But the moms and their families
are coming to us from their hometowns.
- Now, we were talking to Briana when we ended part one.
And we touched on some problems she's been having with DeVoin.
- NESSA: Yes, and unfortunately, Briana has walked off.
So now, coming to us from Florida,
we welcome Roxanne and DeVoin.
- [applause]
- [unintelligible]
- DR. DREW: I was just thinking, yeah--so the point he's making
is not completely irrelevant, right?
That there's--there's a difference in salaries.
Fine, be honest about that-- that's where I was gonna go--
and talk about relative contributions,
you know what I'm saying?
- I agree with that. But here's the fact.
With the money that Briane gets,
she supports Nova, Stella, helps me, helps her sister,
and helps herself.
So Briana is not banking
like everybody's assuming she's banking.
Briane works very hard,
three or four jobs at a time sometimes.
So sometimes, when you need more money,
you gotta get a second job, even when you don't want to.
- So DeVoin, what about a second job?
What about your part in this?
- [sighs] I feel like I have a second job,
which is sitting on this couch right here.
This second job doesn't pay me enough.
- MTV's not a second job. That's pocket money.
We're not gonna rely on that,
because the day this [bleep] stops, that's it.
We're on our own.
- If I'm complaining about what I'm complaining about,
what are y'all complaining about?
She ain't doing [bleep] [unintelligible] MTV.
What she have?
Since day one, she had this Teen Mom [bleep]
since reality hit her, like, she had to become an adult.
It started with 16 & Pregnant with the baby Nova in her belly.
- Yeah, but they stopped. They did that one year--
- Of course, I understand that. - Come on, calm down.
- But that's a head start. Nobody else gets that.
That was free money to talk [bleep] about me.
She don't give me credit for nothing.
- Listen-- - Nothing.
I need credit for something.
- Roxanne, you backed me up on this.
We have sat here, Team DeVoin.
See, I feel like DeVoin feels like he's alone.
Nobody's giving him credit for what he--
what he does on a regular basis.
DeVoin, is that right?
- Uh, I mean... I wouldn't say that.
I get a little credit here and there.
But it's just...
the backlash, the drama, the negativity always overcomes,
and it's just two seconds of joy
and 58 seconds of bull[bleep].
Like, they focus--like, that's all that the focus is.
- DR. DREW: Do you remember when you got in trouble
with some laws around cannabis?
That was unfair too, right?
- Yeah. - DR. DREW: Yeah.
And to me, I felt like that was the first--
that was a systemic thing, where people...
you know, poor DeVoin was like,
no one was on his team, and he couldn't catch a break,
and he really hadn't done anything.
- Might be cliché to say, but...that's part of being
a Black man in America, brother. That's--
- Well, I was afraid-- you know, I'm--
- That's... - Listen, my friend.
- My father told me that when I was a kid.
- DR. DREW: It breaks my heart to hear you say that,
because I was afraid that's what you were gonna say.
How do we get through to things being better for you?
What do we need to do?
Roxanne thinks you need to get another job.
- Yeah, another job would be ideal for sure at this rate.
- I feel like DeVoin needs a career.
- I know that he enjoys cooking. I know that that's his passion.
A restaurant, a truck, a bus, a--I don't know.
He needs something.
- DeVoin, is that something-- - Yeah, man, I like cooking.
Like, I like to cook.
- It's good, too. I think--
- DR. DREW: [laughs]
DeVoin, we see you, and we hear you, and we support you.
And I connect the dots from the systemic oppression
all the way to you feeling not supported now.
And thank you for being such a great father to Nova.
- Thank you.
- DR. DREW: All right, my friend.
Up next, we will bring Briana back
so she can respond to all of this,
and also chat with her mom, Roxanne,
and her sister, Brittany. Don't go away.
- [applause]
- I'm always working. I take care of everybody.
And who the -- take cares of me? Who helps me?
- I think it was kind of like the ultimate betrayal.
- When I tell you it made me sick,
I just--I did not like how it made me feel anymore.
- ♪
- [cheers and applause]
- Welcome back. Now joining Briana,
please welcome her mother, Roxanne,
and her sister, Brittany.
- [cheers and applause]
- So, where do we begin?
Brittany, let me start with you.
Any thoughts about what, uh, DeVoin was saying?
- Um...I get him with the, like, getting paid more.
Um, but my personal thoughts on parenting is that it's equal,
50/50, no matter what.
- DR. DREW: Financially? Financially?
- Financially, physically, emotionally.
It's half of you, half of that other person, 50/50.
- I understand the sentiment,
but the state doesn't look at it that way.
If somebody is making a lot more,
then that's the one that's gonna be paying more child support.
- No.
No, 50/50.
- Briane does pay more, and it's okay,
because she does make more.
But I think Briane expects DeVoin to put more effort.
Like, if you need a second job, you gotta get it.
- BRIANA: Can I say what I have to say?
- Yes, good, please.
- DeVoin has always been DeVoin.
He's not changing.
It's okay for him to count my coins
or what I spend my money on, or what I do with my money.
Uh, it's not okay for me to mention his.
I was just in his dressing room, and how come he has Gucci this,
Louis Vuitton this,
name brand this, name brand that,
but I can't mention that?
So how can you not help me pay half of Nova's gymnastics bill,
but you can walk around all in name brand all the goddamn time?
So you're telling me that I have a body on me,
which I didn't even pay for this [bleep] surgery.
I got it for free.
Why are you counting my money?
Why are you so worried about me?
Why am I gonna deprive my child to a [bleep] childhood because
you don't wanna help with Nova's gymnastics bill?
I'm making sure that my child is focused.
So I want my daughter to have a good life.
And all I'm asking for, DeVoin, is to help me with gymnastics.
He's asking for more responsibility,
but then when I give it to him, he can't take it.
And that's not fair.
You even complimented him on his whole [bleep] outfit.
Who paid for it?
No wonder why you can't pay the [bleep] bill 'cause you're out
[bleep] dressing [bleep] fly for whoever the [bleep].
Let those sneakers take you to get you another [bleep] job.
- Roxanne, what do you feel about both DeVoin and Luis
and their financial aid? - It's just hard,
'cause I know they both have it in them to do it.
But when they don't do it, I have to do it.
Briane does.
And Brittany has to do it.
It just puts me in the middle.
And I don't know, I just--it just [bleep] sucks.
It just sucks, because I want DeVoin to be successful.
Luis is working. He's doing the right thing.
But emotionally, he's not supportive.
So it's just a yucky situation. I don't know.
- And there's no reason why I'm working three jobs,
trying to bust my ass for my kids,
and this man is comfortable in his own skin.
You don't take Nova to do anything.
When's the last time you did something
that's been quality time with Nova?
Every time Nova's at his house, she texts me and complains, oh,
Daddy's not paying attention to me.
Daddy's on his video games.
Daddy's doing this. Daddy's not doing that.
So do you really wanna be a parent, or is it just for show?
Because at this point, I just don't understand.
He doesn't take her out to dinner.
He doesn't take her to the park.
He doesn't do anything.
He doesn't even help her with her homework,
because every single time she comes home, 10 o'clock at night,
and her homework is not finished,
and I have to do it after I worked a full [bleep] shift.
I'm always working just to keep everybody afloat.
I take care of everybody,
and who the [bleep] take cares of me?
Who helps me?
- DR. DREW: Well, Roxanne and Brittany.
- I shouldn't have to-- I shouldn't--
I shouldn't have to depend on them two for my kids.
I shouldn't. They should help me--me.
I'm her daughter. She should help me, not my kids.
They should do that.
DeVoin should do that. Luis should do that.
And you don't see me talk a lot about Luis,
because Luis doesn't wanna film.
And every time I talk to Luis, it's off camera.
But I'm just as mad with Luis as I am with DeVoin.
Luis doesn't help physically.
He does help financially.
But DeVoin doesn't help financially
and sometimes he helps physically.
I need both on the same page.
And if they're not gonna be on the same page,
I want them both out of my life so I can figure
what I have to do for my kids by myself.
- Do you think all this is having an effect on Nova?
Don't you worry about that?
- Nova's getting older, and she's starting to realize
what a [bleep] dad he is.
Me and Nova have a set schedule all the time.
When DeVoin gets put into the schedule,
he [bleep] everything up.
She hates being late.
DeVoin is always late to picking up and dropping off.
She gets anxiety for it.
She texts me like, Mom, did anybody forget about me?
Where's my dad?
And then when I mention it to him,
DeVoin thinks that I'm lying, putting things in Nova's head.
No, Nova's nine years old, and Nova knows what it is.
- They do need, like-- I feel like they do need
better communication sometimes.
- BRIANA: DeVoin is already set in his mindset.
There's no changing anything he has to say.
- BRITTANY: DeVoin got issues. Briana got issues too.
- DR. DREW: Hm. Correct.
- So maybe they both go to therapy,
or it's not gonna happen.
- Brittany, are you saying they should go to therapy together
to try to get some communication going?
- Ah, if they're open to it, yeah, because, like,
other than that, they're not gonna really talk.
But, like, I don't really see that happening, so...
- Briana, do you get enough support for being a good mom?
Do you feel like people tell you that enough?
No?
- BRITTANY: You don't feel like you're a good mom?
- No, I think she feels she's a good mom.
But people don't let her know
that she's a good mom very often.
- BRITTANY: She do everything for this kids.
- You bust your ass for your kids nonstop.
We're not perfect as parents.
Moms make mistakes, but you do the damn best that you can.
- DR. DREW: I'm sorry that it's so upsetting,
and I'm sorry that it's not fair.
But you're doing an amazing job.
- BRITTANY: Yeah.
- NESSA: After the break,
we'll talk to Kail about Chris's future in Creed's life
and hear about the fallout
from blowing up Javi's [unintelligible]
in the Wawa incident.
- [applause]
- So I wanna talk quickly about the Wawa incident.
- ♪ - [applause]
- We're back with the Teen Mom 2 Reunion.
We are now connected with Kailyn.
Hey, Kailyn!
- [applause]
- Hey, how are you?
- Good. - Hey, there.
Kailyn, of course, is raising four sons.
That alone is tough.
But it's even harder when she's got conflict
with each of the boy's fathers.
Still, that has not stopped her from being an incredible mom.
Here's a look back at Kailyn's season.
- KAILYN: Lincoln, you're smiling way too hard.
A real one! There you go.
- Hey, Mom. - KAILYN: What?
- Why did you sign up for so much kids?
- Boy!
Did you hear my son?
- You have to go to your dad's
because he's 50% of your parents.
I told, um, Joe I felt like Isaac was old enough to choose.
He said he doesn't believe
that Isaac is old enough to make those decisions.
- Do you not have a relationship with your mom?
- I don't.
- Even though you might not have a relationship with her,
the love that your mother has for you
is the only thing that keeps her going.
- [phone ringing]
- KAILYN: My mom is calling.
I actually didn't know if you were dead or alive.
I texted Javi and Joe last week
and told them that we could meet in Smyrna from now on.
Javi, he texted me, then was like, oh,
I'm not gonna do anything for you
'cause you're mean to me and Lauren.
Oh, really?
Is that why you tried to [bleep] me on Tuesday?
In the Wawa parking lot?
While your girlfriend's home with your son.
Yep.
Oh my god, she texted me.
- MAN: What did she say?
- KAILYN: "If you're free now, I can talk."
I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
Chris's aunt decided to post a photo of my ultrasound.
I'm pregnant.
I did consider abortion.
But I was just like, I need to see the ultrasound to, like,
see if I connect with this baby.
At that point, I just decided that abortion wasn't for me.
Even if the coronavirus is, you know,
more under control in July, I mean,
that doesn't mean that the entire hospitals
are completely sanitized.
And the pregnant are vulnerable, newborns are vulnerable.
That's terrifying.
I've decided to do a homebirth.
My body's done this three other times naturally,
and I have not ever had an issue, um,
at birth or during labor.
Woke up this morning with contractions
that I could not sleep through.
My contractions got stronger. And in the heat of the moment,
I called Chris to tell him I was in labor.
He showed up,
and a few hours later, my midwife arrived.
After hours of labor, the baby was finally born.
His birth was a little scary, but he's perfectly healthy.
I don't want Creed to have a relationship with Chris
for the simple fact that I don't think it's normal.
I don't think it's healthy.
- Pretty much.
I just don't want you to [bleep] my kids up.
And I need to pick up the pieces
of the mess that I created and--and...
keep it pushing.
- [applause]
- What is it like having four boys in the house, Kail?
- I mean, my house was chaos all the time regardless.
But I just, you know, like--
it always--there's always mud everywhere.
It smells like socks.
Like, I can't--it's never--I don't know.
But it's fun.
- NESSA: Yeah, it looks like it's a lot of fun.
- Now, we saw that unexpected call this season
from your mom, right? - Yeah.
- DR. DREW: What went through your mind
when her name showed up on your phone?
And I'm also wondering how long had it been
since you'd spoken to her.
- Well, for one, I think I manifested it
or the psychic manifested it or saw it.
I don't really know.
Um, it was definitely really weird to have her phone--
her name pop up on my phone at that time.
Um, I wanna say it had been three years, maybe,
um, since I had heard from her.
- You and I have spoken about her a lot over the years, right?
And you've described her as alcoholic, sex addict,
love addict, these kinds of things.
Uh, those things are treatable, right?
And I'm wondering if when she reaches out to you,
that's part of her...
maybe when she's getting better.
And I certainly understand your reluctance,
'cause you wanna see-- you don't think so?
- No. - DR. DREW: No.
- I definitely think that it's just her guilty conscience.
And when she has a minute and she is under the influence, um,
those are her sober thoughts coming out.
And I think that's, you know, when she calls me.
I've never received a call from her when she's been sober.
- NESSA: Okay, so I wanna talk quickly about the Wawa incident.
You had mentioned that you only shared that story
because you were upset Javi
wouldn't meet halfway for Lincoln's pickups.
Why did he refuse that request?
- KAILYN: I'm actually really embarrassed about the things
that I've said on TV about their situation
because it's not my place and it's not my business
to put those kinds of things out there.
And I've been in therapy for a year.
And I don't think that I ever really cared about
the consequences or what that looks like
after saying things like that
about other people's relationships until now.
And so I...I just-- I really just don't--
I don't wanna discuss, like, their relationship anymore.
Like, it's not--it's just not okay for me to do.
- NESSA: Any other lessons that you wanna share
after going through this
and you're continuing all this great work?
- No. I mean, I just hope that this season,
people really see the growth that I've done, um,
kind of over the last year, because I definitely think
that this past year has... hands down been the worst--
the best worst year that I've been through.
- How about Creed? How's he doing?
- Creed is the--is a very difficult baby.
Um, I love him, and I don't know how I...
how I ever lived without him.
But he is very, very difficult.
- DR. DREW: And this time, you gave birth at home, right?
And that's what-- that's interesting.
How did that compare to your other birth experiences?
- I loved that I was able to kind of listen to my own body
and do what I felt was supposed to happen.
Um, my body's done this three times before.
And it was really nice to just be home and comfortable
when I was, you know, giving birth.
- How surprised were you that Chris showed up for the birth?
- I would have to say that
I was actually very surprised he showed up,
'cause one, I just went back and forth so much
about telling him, you know,
when I went into labor and stuff like that.
And, um, we have things in place that are preventing us
from even being around each other.
So I thought that he deserved to know that I was in labor.
So when I called to tell him that,
I did not expect him to show up at the door shortly thereafter.
- Okay, so I wanna talk a little bit about how you had to
announce the birth after Chris's aunt leaked the sonogram.
How upset were you when she did that?
- I think it was kind of like the ultimate betrayal,
only because that aunt was someone
that I was the closest to in his family.
And so it kind of cut extra deep.
And also, just because I was in a place
where I didn't know what I wanted to do.
I didn't know if I wanted to continue with the pregnancy.
I didn't know where I was at.
I was in a really, really dark place.
And so I--it almost...
it almost felt like she was making the decision for me.
- Mmm. - KAILYN: Um,
because what if I had wanted to go through with
the abortion and she put that out there?
Then I would have to deal with that publicly, you know?
That was something that I really just didn't expect,
and of her of all people. - NESSA: Yeah.
Now, when you look back on this season, what have you learned?
- I've learned that I should keep my mouth shut a lot more.
- [laughter]
- KAILYN: Um, I'm very, very hard on myself.
Um, and I need to kind of work on that, because, you know,
I need to give myself some grace.
And I think a lot of people,
if their lives were on TV in their 20's,
it would be, you know, [bleep] show too.
So I need to understand that, you know,
I'm not the only one
going through some [bleep] all the time.
- Well, listen. After the break,
we'll find out how counseling
helped smooth things over between Kail and Joe, all right?
Stick around.
- [applause]
- ♪
- [cheers and applause] - ♪
- Welcome back to the Teen Mom 2 Reunion.
We are still here speaking with Kailyn.
- [cheers and applause]
- DR. DREW: Now, early in the season,
you said Isaac should not have to go to Joe's
when he doesn't want to.
But when he wanted to stay at Joe's for a week, you said,
well, he's too young to make those decisions.
Explain.
- By the time I realized, like, what the situation was and,
like, went to therapy, and then the same thing happened to me,
it was like I had a different perspective.
But also, just in all of that, I realized, okay, well,
Joe and I already each only have 50% of the time, right?
So if I were to let him stay over at his dad's
no matter what's going on,
he's then missing more than
50% of the time with his brothers.
So it's not just me. It's his brothers.
And so I kind of had to put myself in that perspective where
when I'm asking Joe to do those things,
I need to not take it personally,
and I need to really look at the bigger picture.
Like, he has a sister over there.
He has a dad. He has family over there too.
So it's the same thing.
So it wasn't so much that, oh, he's not old enough now.
It was like, okay, I've gone through therapy, you know,
on my own about it.
I went to counseling with Joe about it.
Joe and I talked more about it, um, separate from counseling.
Um, so I was just very much in a different space.
- How did the counseling affect you and Joe?
- I think the counseling was good for us.
I wish that we would go more,
and I actually wish that I could go with Javi, too.
Um, it was just a neutral party
that could understand both sides.
And I think that sometimes-- I can't speak for Joe,
but when I look back, I think that a lot of times I kind of
felt like him saying no was him more saying no to me
than he was, you know, yes or no for Isaac.
- Right, for sure.
Kailyn recently launched a new podcast, Baby Mamas No Drama.
Let's now welcome her co-host, Isaac's stepmom, Vee.
- [applause]
- VEE: Hi, guys. - NESSA: Hi, Vee.
It's been a while since we got to speak with you.
How have you been?
- I'm great. How are you?
- NESSA: Great!
- So you guys have been working together a lot lately.
And I remember the days when things were not,
shall we call, collaborative.
There was a little tension between you two.
How did you evolve from where I remember you all at one time
through all these businesses?
Tell us about it. - You know, I think Vee and I
have this conversation all the time.
I think it's more of, like, we kind of grew up together,
and so we had to mature.
So we kind of just, like, put our drama and BS aside.
And now, you know, we're really good friends
and we're able to work together.
So I don't know. I'm excited, though.
- How did the podcast happen?
- Vee texted me and was like, hey, Kail,
we should do a podcast and I have the perfect name for it,
and Baby Mamas No Drama.
And I was like, oh wow, yeah, let's do it.
And then it happened so quickly
that I don't even think either of us
really processed, like, the whole thing.
- Yeah, she was just like, all right,
let me contact my person and see if we can do this.
And then they were like, yeah, we can do it.
And I was like, oh [bleep], this is really happening.
- [laughter]
- NESSA: We've heard for a long time you shouldn't
mix business and family together.
But it's been working out for the both of you.
So how's it been?
- It's been great, I think. All right. [laughs]
- So we got, like, um, an agreement ahead of time.
And we split everything 50/50.
And so I think that was super helpful right off the bat.
It wasn't like we started and nothing was, like,
established in, you know--in that aspect.
So, um, we put the business side, you know, first,
and then everything else is fine.
- No, we did everything the right way.
And, you know, I think that's important.
- Vee, how do you feel about Joe and Kail going to therapy?
Have you seen improvements as a result?
I'm wondering if you have ever attended therapy with them.
- No, I've never attended therapy with them.
Um, but I think it's good.
I mean, I always tell Joe I think it's a good idea so that
they're on the same page and stuff like that, so...
- DR. DREW: Good.
- Well, Vee, tell Joe we miss him very much, okay?
- I will.
- Well, Kail and Vee, thank you so much for talking to us today.
We appreciate it.
Kail, give our best to the boys, please.
And coming up, Chelsea will give us updates on her pregnancy
and how she's been managing her anxiety
during the COVID pandemic.
And we'll talk about her future on Teen Mom 2.
Stick around.
- [applause]
- The season ended with you leaving Teen Mom 2.
Is that really your final decision?
- ♪
- [cheers and applause]
- Welcome back to the Teen Mom 2 Reunion.
We are ready now to speak to Chelsea.
- [applause]
- Chelsea had a lot to be thankful for this season.
She's in a happy marriage.
She has three amazing kids, with a fourth one on the way.
And she's doing incredible work with Lauriebelles.
But the coronavirus has caused her anxiety to flare up,
causing her to make some big life changes.
Let's look back at her journey this season.
- ♪
- ALL: Cheese!
- We're gonna go to where we're gonna build our house.
- [laughs]
I just took that one.
- Oh, I told you! You ass[bleep]!
We're gonna have another baby!
- We're having another girl.
We're gonna have three girls.
Aubree has been asking me for a phone forever, of course.
Every kid does.
What are you calling me from right now?
- My new phone! - CHELSEA: Oh!
I would like to be approving who you're adding into your phone.
Um, if you're gonna want your other dad in there...
- Yeah.
- CHELSEA: That'd be fine.
She sent him three texts yesterday.
- He never said anything?
- CHELSEA: And he never said anything.
I just don't understand. - WOMAN: Yeah.
- CHELSEA: Oh my god. - Yes.
- Oh my god, it looks so good!
- It does look--it's so good!
- CHELSEA: Are you kidding me?
Laurie is gonna do, like, a work trip to LA.
- COLE: This is good for you.
- I mean, I hope not.
- After reading all the news things, I was like, dang,
I don't wanna travel.
- Like, at first, I didn't think this was actually a big deal.
But I'm starting to get a little--
- It's a huge deal!
- Well, I'm getting scared now!
- Well, what are your concerns with, like,
filming with the crew?
- My concerns are I don't feel comfortable testing the kids
three times a week.
Being parent in this right now,
you always feel like you're doing everything [bleep] wrong.
So I just have to figure out
what feels right for us and our family.
- [applause]
- Well, now, Chelsea, we had to make some
last-minute adjustments for your shoot.
Can you explain to us what happened?
- Um, so, yeah, we-- they came and set up a shoot,
or a set here. And then they, like--
we had to do a survey for COVID protocol
or whatever before we went on set.
And it turns out I was around someone who was exposed to it.
Um...so just out of caution, uh, we just--they just gave me
everything, and I set up everything here at home.
Um...so if it looks bad, it's my fault.
- DR. DREW & NESSA: [chuckling]
- NESSA: The coronavirus is stressful for everyone,
but especially for someone like you, Chelsea,
who suffers from anxiety.
How have you been dealing with life in the pandemic?
- 100% better than I did last year.
I've truly--and I don't--
this is-- I'm obviously not a doctor.
Um, but I feel like women, if you are breastfeeding
and you're experiencing panic attacks
or anything that seems similar than what I--
or to what I was going through,
I feel like I was having a hormonal something
with breastfeeding. I don't know.
I've heard that that can cause certain things,
uh, postpartum, you know?
I truly think that was contributing to
what I was going through last year.
- Can I just say, it doesn't have to be the breastfeeding.
I mean, any depression within 12 months of a delivery,
that is a postpartum depression.
And they are intense, and profound, and protean.
They manifest in all kinds of different ways.
Many times, like with Chelsea,
you don't even realize you're depressed.
You just have panic.
- And when is the due date?
- February 16th.
- How exciting. I'm so happy for you all.
So how is Aubree liking her new cellphone?
I mean, she was so excited to get one.
How's it been?
- I think it's good that she has one.
She is connected with her friends, and she loves that.
- How old did it make you feel
when Aubree was describing a home phone?
She was like, it's old fashioned.
It's got the twirly thing to it.
- I felt so old.
And then I saw something where it's like, if you ask a kid,
like, what does this mean?
They are--show you--show you, like,
how would you hold a phone up to your ear, like, with your hand?
And like, how we would go like this,
they would go like this or something.
- NESSA: Oh my gosh. Oh dear. [laughs]
- Now, we saw some tension about the Linds
having Aubree's phone number.
Do they text or call Aubree very much?
- I think Grandma Donna checks in often, yes.
- Has the custody arrangement changed?
- So they never ended up getting back to us on the letter,
the official letter.
I think they might have gotten it and just accepted that
that was maybe a good idea or decision for Aubree.
Um, ever since then, that's kind of been the case.
- Well, we have to take a break. But after the break,
Chelsea's husband, Cole, will join us.
- And we'll talk to Chelsea about her difficult decision
to step away from the show.
Plus, we'll give her a proper goodbye
with a look back at her time on these reunions.
Don't move.
- [applause] - ♪
- [applause]
- Welcome back.
We are still talking to Chelsea,
and we are now joined by her husband, Cole.
- [applause]
- DR. DREW: So Cole, you've gotta get back into the mindset
of being the dad to a newborn. How hard is that?
- I think it's pretty easy.
- [laughs]
- We're not too far out it.
- Nah, I feel like I'm an old pro, so it'll be easy.
- Is what you're saying is Chelsea's gonna do everything?
- [laughs] - Ha!
- No way. - [chuckles]
- So Cole, we've seen you over the past being very helpful with
Chelsea when she has panic and anxiety.
Uh, what do you do to help her calm?
Particularly in the day of COVID.
- I have learned, um...
just to step back and listen to what actually is gonna help her,
'cause I used to always jump in and be like, can I do this?
Can I do this?
Then it'd be like, I'm being way too much.
I'm just probably giving you more anxiety.
- CHELSEA: Sometimes it's space
and sometimes I need somebody, you know, helping, so...
- It's being fully present, whether it's present and go away
or present and be helpful.
- Exactly.
- Chelsea, other than going away,
what are some of his best techniques to help you?
- Um, he always will--like, if I do need, like, space,
he'll send me texts that just say, like,
the most positive, nicest things.
Or, like, there's one example is I went in the bathroom
and I opened up the cupboard, and there was a list
of positive affirmations that he put there.
He definitely goes out of his way.
And he's too sweet.
- DR. DREW: And Cole, I noticed this season
Adam's lunch visits seemed to bother you quite a bit.
Why?
- If he wants to see her, I would like--
I would like her to have another way to see him
rather than just in her lunchroom for 20 minutes.
I just don't want her to be hurt.
That's the bottom line.
- And yet you're seeing that happen.
You feel her pain.
- For sure. - DR. DREW: Yeah.
- NESSA: Now, Chelsea, this season ended with you closing
this chapter of your life and leaving Teen Mom 2.
Is that really your final decision?
- Do you wanna call a lifeline?
- [laughter]
- I put--I was losing sleep over this for weeks.
I...
It just felt like to me,
it got to the point where I just couldn't.
It didn't feel right anymore.
I didn't feel like it was good for my mental health,
maybe not for the kids.
You know, it wasn't an easy decision.
This has been my life for--since I was 17.
Like, to say that this was a scary decision
would be an understatement.
- And Cole, how are you feeling about it?
- COLE: I got to witness how it actually affected her.
And the decision, I can tell you,
was definitely not easy for her.
Um, but she knows I'm right behind her.
And whatever she wants to do, no matter what, I'll be right here.
- Well, I know for us, it was, you know, sad to hear the news,
obviously because we enjoy you two so much, your entire family.
But, I mean, people know you guys from the show.
But having to have experienced you guys personally,
I know for me, I will miss you very, very much,
the both of you, for sure.
- And, uh, Chelsea...
- You guys, no, you can't make me cry!
I'm very emotional already 'cause I'm pregnant.
- I'm close already, anyways.
- It has been very emotional.
- All right.
- I mean, really, it came down to Aubree.
You know your kids, and you know what's best for them.
And I just think as a family, we were all kind of feeling
the same way, that, you know--
I really cherish
the open relationship that I have with Aubree.
And when I would see some scenes of her and I alone, talking,
like, when I tell you it made me sick,
I just--I did not like how it made me feel anymore.
- Yeah. - DR. DREW: So Chelsea,
we put together a little, uh,
video of you in the reunions across the years.
- Oh god.
- DR. DREW: I wanna play it for you,
but not until after the break.
- ♪ - [applause]
- ♪ - [cheers and applause]
- Welcome back.
We're still here with Chelsea and Cole.
- [cheers and applause]
- DR. DREW: I'm not saying anything you all don't know
out there, which is that Chelsea has had a remarkable, uh, story.
Remarkable, since she first appeared on 16 & Preganant
almost 11 years ago.
And, uh, as I've been saying, it has been really my pleasure
to be a part of this and to watch her and her family
and her evolution
and her willingness to talk about her struggles.
I'm getting emotional. I've not played the video yet.
So let's look back at some of the conversations that we've had
right here at the Teen Mom 2 reunions.
Not all of them were easy or fun,
but I think they did all contribute to this evolution
that we've seen of Chelsea into who she is today.
Take a look.
- ♪
♪ Pick me up, let's go out ♪
♪ We can keep moving ♪
♪ Lift me up, don't slow down ♪
♪
♪ Keep me rollin' ♪
- You guys break up a lot.
- Yeah. - Uh-huh.
- In the last 30 days,
how many times have you broken up?
- In the last 30 days? - Twenty-nine.
- All you see is the bad. And you--
- Within three weeks ago,
you guys were broke up and had a huge fight.
- ADAM: So? We still fight.
You're talking out of your ass right now.
- All right, well, let's say that--
- But nobody thinks they should stay together.
What are you thinking, Chelsea?
- I just don't like being in the middle.
- Chelsea, tell us what's, uh-- what Aubree's up to these days.
What's the latest on her? - She is hilarious.
Like, I might just think this 'cause she's my kid, but she's,
like, the funniest little girl.
She loves doing her hair and her makeup.
She's just so girly.
I don't know where she gets it.
- [laughter]
- I feel like I'm doing so much for Aubree.
And...I didn't get the family.
So it's just gonna be frustrating when I'm alone
and he has family.
- All we focus on is what I have done wrong and all that.
And all you guys focus on with her is what she's done right.
Don't call me a bad father.
That pisses me off, 'cause I know I'm not.
And I don't--I don't have to prove anything to anybody.
I don't owe anything to anybody besides my kids.
- What do you think's going on with him?
What's up [unintelligible]?
- I think he's just an ass[bleep].
I mean, I've heard a lot of things.
I've heard drug use by multiple people,
which I would not be surprised.
A narcissist, you know, sociopath, everything.
- Have you been reading up on that?
- CHELSEA: I have been. For a long time.
I am just old fashioned.
Like, I wanted to be a wife and I wanted to be a mom, you know?
I wanted to have a family that was happy, you know,
have a good, healthy relationship.
- DR. DREW: How did you meet Cole?
- At a gas station. - DR. DREW: What?
- Well, we were pumping gas.
- Well, that's what people do at gas stations.
- And I saw him.
And we, like, made eye contact, and it was really awkward.
I look forward to getting married,
especially to someone like this guy.
- Whew. - That was good.
- DR. DREW: What makes Cole a great husband?
- I don't deserve someone like that.
- You don't deserve him? - He's just so good and sweet.
He's patient.
And just--he's a good guy.
This is definitely where I always wanted to be.
I always wanted to be happily married to someone great.
I truly can look you guys in the eye and say
not one bad thing about him.
- Oh! - AUDIENCE: Aw!
- [unintelligible]
I truly feel like this year,
I have been through a period of growth as a person,
you know, mentally, in a lot of different ways.
We want one more kid in a little while.
- [unintelligible]
- ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪
♪ Hey, hey ♪
♪ Today is the day ♪
- See, he's got a big bite on his cheek, though.
- That's from Aubree.
- I bite you.
- ♪ Today is the day ♪
- AUDIENCE: [laughter]
[applause]
- ♪ Who needs tomorrow when we got today? ♪
♪ Who needs tomorrow when we got today? ♪♪
- [applause]
- I feel like-- - Oh my gosh.
That was so...
- Come on.
Right?
Come on!
- That was just so emotional, seeing the ups, the downs.
And also, can we just talk about your hair, the evolution of it?
- No, we cannot talk about it.
- NESSA: Chelsea, I don't want this to be goodbye.
Now, with both of you watching that back,
what stood out to each of you?
- Um, you first.
- Cole, go ahead.
- Just knowing she went through that thinking--
thinking those things about herself, you know?
Like, you know...
If she ever once thought wasn't good enough or anything,
just mind-blowing because she's beyond...ugh, can't talk.
[laughs] - We're a mess.
- She's beyond--she's beyond good enough for anyone.
And I'm...truly grateful for her.
And, you know...
- It's 'cause you liked my blonde hair?
- I loved it. - [laughter]
- NESSA: Chelsea, what would you tell 17-year-old
with the blonde hair?
You know, just some advice you would share with her now.
- I would just say...
that you are good enough and gonna be okay.
And just keep [bleep] going, 'cause it's gonna be amazing!
- Well, since this is your last reunion, um, again,
I just wanna thank you for sharing your life with us--
both of you, I mean, but particularly Chelsea.
I feel really connected to the experience you had.
And I know a lot of other people do.
We wish you both and your entire family just the best.
- Thank you. - NESSA: We're gonna miss you.
- And thank you so much for all your advice and, um,
everything that we've been able to talk about.
Like, I know it helped me throughout these years, um,
your hard truths and, um, everything.
So thank you, guys.
- And the opportunity to do that, because of you,
helped others.
- NESSA: We are gonna miss you guys so much.
- I'm gonna miss you guys.
- NESSA: And with that being said,
we've reached the end of the Teen Mom 2 Reunion.
Thanks to the entire cast for another unforgettable season.
And thanks also to the crew for working through
such difficult conditions.
- DR. DREW: And one final note.
Young people are using contraception
more and more frequently and more consistently.
And that's led to a 70% drop
in teen pregnancy since the early '90s.
Birth control gives you the power to decide your future.
Check out all the methods at Bedsider.org.
For Nessa and myself, we thank you so much for watching,
and we will see you again next season.
- [applause]
- NESSA: Aww!
- ♪ We on fire, what do you desire? ♪
♪ We can come alive, we can go a little higher ♪
♪
♪ We can go... go a little higher ♪
♪
♪ Higher ♪