1 00:00:00,801 --> 00:00:02,034 - ♪ 2 00:00:02,136 --> 00:00:07,606 - This is gonna be my final season. 3 00:00:07,708 --> 00:00:09,341 - Oh my god. She's lying to us. 4 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:12,011 You didn't watch the video 5 00:00:12,113 --> 00:00:15,981 that allegedly showed Sean with a pipe, right? 6 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:18,317 - No, I'm not-- I'm not doing this. 7 00:00:18,419 --> 00:00:19,418 - Do you think you have broken 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,087 the intergenerational cycle of trauma? 9 00:00:22,189 --> 00:00:24,323 - Yes! [laughs] 10 00:00:24,425 --> 00:00:26,058 - You don't look up what's financially efficient 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,126 for me and you. 12 00:00:27,228 --> 00:00:29,194 You make that decision on your salary. 13 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:31,330 You do not consult with me 14 00:00:31,432 --> 00:00:33,432 before you sign her name on something. 15 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:34,767 You never do. - I'm done here. 16 00:00:34,869 --> 00:00:36,535 I don't wanna finish this conversation. 17 00:00:36,637 --> 00:00:38,103 I wanna go home. I'm going home. 18 00:00:38,205 --> 00:00:39,605 - Reality can't be spoke of. 19 00:00:40,875 --> 00:00:43,075 - ♪ 20 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:45,277 - [cheers and applause] 21 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:47,880 - Welcome to part two of the Teen Mom 2 Reunion. 22 00:00:47,982 --> 00:00:50,582 I'm Nessa here once again with Dr. Drew. 23 00:00:50,684 --> 00:00:52,184 - [applause] 24 00:00:52,286 --> 00:00:53,685 - Just as a reminder, we're doing 25 00:00:53,788 --> 00:00:56,055 a socially distanced reunion this time. 26 00:00:56,157 --> 00:00:57,656 Dr. Drew and I are in New York. 27 00:00:57,758 --> 00:00:59,024 But the moms and their families 28 00:00:59,126 --> 00:01:01,527 are coming to us from their hometowns. 29 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:05,364 - Now, we were talking to Briana when we ended part one. 30 00:01:05,466 --> 00:01:08,067 And we touched on some problems she's been having with DeVoin. 31 00:01:08,169 --> 00:01:10,969 - NESSA: Yes, and unfortunately, Briana has walked off. 32 00:01:11,072 --> 00:01:13,138 So now, coming to us from Florida, 33 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,874 we welcome Roxanne and DeVoin. 34 00:01:15,976 --> 00:01:19,078 - [applause] 35 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:20,512 - [unintelligible] 36 00:01:20,614 --> 00:01:22,881 - DR. DREW: I was just thinking, yeah--so the point he's making 37 00:01:22,983 --> 00:01:24,983 is not completely irrelevant, right? 38 00:01:25,086 --> 00:01:28,120 That there's--there's a difference in salaries. 39 00:01:28,222 --> 00:01:32,458 Fine, be honest about that-- that's where I was gonna go-- 40 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,594 and talk about relative contributions, 41 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:37,529 you know what I'm saying? 42 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:40,065 - I agree with that. But here's the fact. 43 00:01:40,167 --> 00:01:42,234 With the money that Briane gets, 44 00:01:42,336 --> 00:01:45,804 she supports Nova, Stella, helps me, helps her sister, 45 00:01:45,906 --> 00:01:47,139 and helps herself. 46 00:01:47,241 --> 00:01:49,074 So Briana is not banking 47 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:51,376 like everybody's assuming she's banking. 48 00:01:51,479 --> 00:01:52,678 Briane works very hard, 49 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:54,580 three or four jobs at a time sometimes. 50 00:01:54,682 --> 00:01:56,315 So sometimes, when you need more money, 51 00:01:56,417 --> 00:01:59,451 you gotta get a second job, even when you don't want to. 52 00:01:59,553 --> 00:02:01,186 - So DeVoin, what about a second job? 53 00:02:01,288 --> 00:02:02,454 What about your part in this? 54 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:04,423 - [sighs] I feel like I have a second job, 55 00:02:04,525 --> 00:02:05,757 which is sitting on this couch right here. 56 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:07,359 This second job doesn't pay me enough. 57 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:09,962 - MTV's not a second job. That's pocket money. 58 00:02:10,064 --> 00:02:11,463 We're not gonna rely on that, 59 00:02:11,565 --> 00:02:13,398 because the day this [bleep] stops, that's it. 60 00:02:13,501 --> 00:02:14,733 We're on our own. 61 00:02:14,835 --> 00:02:16,368 - If I'm complaining about what I'm complaining about, 62 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:17,569 what are y'all complaining about? 63 00:02:17,671 --> 00:02:19,404 She ain't doing [bleep] [unintelligible] MTV. 64 00:02:19,507 --> 00:02:21,073 What she have? 65 00:02:21,175 --> 00:02:23,308 Since day one, she had this Teen Mom [bleep] 66 00:02:23,410 --> 00:02:25,777 since reality hit her, like, she had to become an adult. 67 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,447 It started with 16 & Pregnant with the baby Nova in her belly. 68 00:02:28,549 --> 00:02:30,015 - Yeah, but they stopped. They did that one year-- 69 00:02:30,117 --> 00:02:31,884 - Of course, I understand that. - Come on, calm down. 70 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:33,952 - But that's a head start. Nobody else gets that. 71 00:02:34,054 --> 00:02:36,155 That was free money to talk [bleep] about me. 72 00:02:36,257 --> 00:02:38,624 She don't give me credit for nothing. 73 00:02:38,726 --> 00:02:39,691 - Listen-- - Nothing. 74 00:02:39,793 --> 00:02:41,793 I need credit for something. 75 00:02:41,896 --> 00:02:43,762 - Roxanne, you backed me up on this. 76 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:46,131 We have sat here, Team DeVoin. 77 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:48,200 See, I feel like DeVoin feels like he's alone. 78 00:02:48,302 --> 00:02:50,169 Nobody's giving him credit for what he-- 79 00:02:50,271 --> 00:02:51,904 what he does on a regular basis. 80 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,772 DeVoin, is that right? 81 00:02:53,874 --> 00:02:56,842 - Uh, I mean... I wouldn't say that. 82 00:02:56,944 --> 00:02:58,577 I get a little credit here and there. 83 00:02:58,679 --> 00:03:00,179 But it's just... 84 00:03:00,281 --> 00:03:04,917 the backlash, the drama, the negativity always overcomes, 85 00:03:05,019 --> 00:03:07,286 and it's just two seconds of joy 86 00:03:07,388 --> 00:03:10,222 and 58 seconds of bull[bleep]. 87 00:03:10,324 --> 00:03:12,457 Like, they focus--like, that's all that the focus is. 88 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,293 - DR. DREW: Do you remember when you got in trouble 89 00:03:14,395 --> 00:03:15,928 with some laws around cannabis? 90 00:03:16,030 --> 00:03:17,863 That was unfair too, right? 91 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:19,164 - Yeah. - DR. DREW: Yeah. 92 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:22,267 And to me, I felt like that was the first-- 93 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:26,939 that was a systemic thing, where people... 94 00:03:27,041 --> 00:03:28,273 you know, poor DeVoin was like, 95 00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:30,375 no one was on his team, and he couldn't catch a break, 96 00:03:30,477 --> 00:03:32,211 and he really hadn't done anything. 97 00:03:32,313 --> 00:03:35,013 - Might be cliché to say, but...that's part of being 98 00:03:35,115 --> 00:03:36,915 a Black man in America, brother. That's-- 99 00:03:37,017 --> 00:03:39,551 - Well, I was afraid-- you know, I'm-- 100 00:03:39,653 --> 00:03:40,919 - That's... - Listen, my friend. 101 00:03:41,021 --> 00:03:42,621 - My father told me that when I was a kid. 102 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:45,190 - DR. DREW: It breaks my heart to hear you say that, 103 00:03:45,292 --> 00:03:47,426 because I was afraid that's what you were gonna say. 104 00:03:47,528 --> 00:03:52,331 How do we get through to things being better for you? 105 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:53,465 What do we need to do? 106 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,000 Roxanne thinks you need to get another job. 107 00:03:55,102 --> 00:03:58,604 - Yeah, another job would be ideal for sure at this rate. 108 00:03:58,706 --> 00:04:02,040 - I feel like DeVoin needs a career. 109 00:04:02,142 --> 00:04:05,544 - I know that he enjoys cooking. I know that that's his passion. 110 00:04:05,646 --> 00:04:07,879 A restaurant, a truck, a bus, a--I don't know. 111 00:04:07,982 --> 00:04:09,281 He needs something. 112 00:04:09,383 --> 00:04:10,983 - DeVoin, is that something-- - Yeah, man, I like cooking. 113 00:04:11,085 --> 00:04:12,351 Like, I like to cook. 114 00:04:12,453 --> 00:04:13,919 - It's good, too. I think-- 115 00:04:14,021 --> 00:04:15,287 - DR. DREW: [laughs] 116 00:04:15,389 --> 00:04:19,591 DeVoin, we see you, and we hear you, and we support you. 117 00:04:19,693 --> 00:04:23,262 And I connect the dots from the systemic oppression 118 00:04:23,364 --> 00:04:26,231 all the way to you feeling not supported now. 119 00:04:26,333 --> 00:04:30,335 And thank you for being such a great father to Nova. 120 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:31,270 - Thank you. 121 00:04:31,372 --> 00:04:32,471 - DR. DREW: All right, my friend. 122 00:04:32,573 --> 00:04:34,840 Up next, we will bring Briana back 123 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,975 so she can respond to all of this, 124 00:04:37,077 --> 00:04:38,844 and also chat with her mom, Roxanne, 125 00:04:38,946 --> 00:04:40,312 and her sister, Brittany. Don't go away. 126 00:04:40,414 --> 00:04:44,116 - [applause] 127 00:04:44,218 --> 00:04:47,719 - I'm always working. I take care of everybody. 128 00:04:47,821 --> 00:04:50,856 And who the -- take cares of me? Who helps me? 129 00:04:50,958 --> 00:04:53,859 - I think it was kind of like the ultimate betrayal. 130 00:04:53,961 --> 00:04:55,394 - When I tell you it made me sick, 131 00:04:55,496 --> 00:04:58,096 I just--I did not like how it made me feel anymore. 132 00:04:58,198 --> 00:05:00,699 - ♪ 133 00:05:02,970 --> 00:05:06,104 - ♪ - [cheers and applause] 134 00:05:06,206 --> 00:05:07,339 - Welcome back. Now joining Briana, 135 00:05:07,441 --> 00:05:09,374 please welcome her mother, Roxanne, 136 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:10,942 and her sister, Brittany. 137 00:05:11,045 --> 00:05:12,544 - [cheers and applause] 138 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:15,080 - So, where do we begin? 139 00:05:15,182 --> 00:05:16,548 Brittany, let me start with you. 140 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:19,351 Any thoughts about what, uh, DeVoin was saying? 141 00:05:19,453 --> 00:05:23,488 - Um...I get him with the, like, getting paid more. 142 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:26,425 Um, but my personal thoughts on parenting is that it's equal, 143 00:05:26,527 --> 00:05:28,260 50/50, no matter what. 144 00:05:28,362 --> 00:05:30,896 - DR. DREW: Financially? Financially? 145 00:05:30,998 --> 00:05:32,731 - Financially, physically, emotionally. 146 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:36,768 It's half of you, half of that other person, 50/50. 147 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:38,136 - I understand the sentiment, 148 00:05:38,238 --> 00:05:40,205 but the state doesn't look at it that way. 149 00:05:40,307 --> 00:05:41,840 If somebody is making a lot more, 150 00:05:41,942 --> 00:05:44,176 then that's the one that's gonna be paying more child support. 151 00:05:44,278 --> 00:05:45,677 - No. 152 00:05:45,779 --> 00:05:47,746 No, 50/50. 153 00:05:47,848 --> 00:05:49,281 - Briane does pay more, and it's okay, 154 00:05:49,383 --> 00:05:51,016 because she does make more. 155 00:05:51,118 --> 00:05:54,920 But I think Briane expects DeVoin to put more effort. 156 00:05:55,022 --> 00:05:57,322 Like, if you need a second job, you gotta get it. 157 00:05:57,424 --> 00:05:58,890 - BRIANA: Can I say what I have to say? 158 00:05:58,992 --> 00:06:00,659 - Yes, good, please. 159 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:03,428 - DeVoin has always been DeVoin. 160 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,197 He's not changing. 161 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:08,233 It's okay for him to count my coins 162 00:06:08,335 --> 00:06:11,570 or what I spend my money on, or what I do with my money. 163 00:06:11,672 --> 00:06:14,539 Uh, it's not okay for me to mention his. 164 00:06:14,641 --> 00:06:17,509 I was just in his dressing room, and how come he has Gucci this, 165 00:06:17,611 --> 00:06:18,810 Louis Vuitton this, 166 00:06:18,912 --> 00:06:20,512 name brand this, name brand that, 167 00:06:20,614 --> 00:06:21,980 but I can't mention that? 168 00:06:22,082 --> 00:06:25,684 So how can you not help me pay half of Nova's gymnastics bill, 169 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:29,821 but you can walk around all in name brand all the goddamn time? 170 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:32,824 So you're telling me that I have a body on me, 171 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:35,927 which I didn't even pay for this [bleep] surgery. 172 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:37,129 I got it for free. 173 00:06:37,231 --> 00:06:38,597 Why are you counting my money? 174 00:06:38,699 --> 00:06:40,465 Why are you so worried about me? 175 00:06:40,567 --> 00:06:45,170 Why am I gonna deprive my child to a [bleep] childhood because 176 00:06:45,272 --> 00:06:47,205 you don't wanna help with Nova's gymnastics bill? 177 00:06:47,307 --> 00:06:50,776 I'm making sure that my child is focused. 178 00:06:50,878 --> 00:06:52,744 So I want my daughter to have a good life. 179 00:06:52,846 --> 00:06:55,647 And all I'm asking for, DeVoin, is to help me with gymnastics. 180 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:57,482 He's asking for more responsibility, 181 00:06:57,584 --> 00:07:01,353 but then when I give it to him, he can't take it. 182 00:07:01,455 --> 00:07:03,522 And that's not fair. 183 00:07:03,624 --> 00:07:06,491 You even complimented him on his whole [bleep] outfit. 184 00:07:06,593 --> 00:07:09,428 Who paid for it? 185 00:07:09,530 --> 00:07:11,329 No wonder why you can't pay the [bleep] bill 'cause you're out 186 00:07:11,432 --> 00:07:15,434 [bleep] dressing [bleep] fly for whoever the [bleep]. 187 00:07:15,536 --> 00:07:18,537 Let those sneakers take you to get you another [bleep] job. 188 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:21,006 - Roxanne, what do you feel about both DeVoin and Luis 189 00:07:21,108 --> 00:07:24,009 and their financial aid? - It's just hard, 190 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:27,779 'cause I know they both have it in them to do it. 191 00:07:27,881 --> 00:07:29,748 But when they don't do it, I have to do it. 192 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:30,849 Briane does. 193 00:07:30,951 --> 00:07:32,484 And Brittany has to do it. 194 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:33,919 It just puts me in the middle. 195 00:07:34,021 --> 00:07:36,621 And I don't know, I just--it just [bleep] sucks. 196 00:07:36,723 --> 00:07:39,491 It just sucks, because I want DeVoin to be successful. 197 00:07:39,593 --> 00:07:41,426 Luis is working. He's doing the right thing. 198 00:07:41,528 --> 00:07:43,628 But emotionally, he's not supportive. 199 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:46,198 So it's just a yucky situation. I don't know. 200 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:48,366 - And there's no reason why I'm working three jobs, 201 00:07:48,469 --> 00:07:50,335 trying to bust my ass for my kids, 202 00:07:50,437 --> 00:07:53,205 and this man is comfortable in his own skin. 203 00:07:53,307 --> 00:07:55,807 You don't take Nova to do anything. 204 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,008 When's the last time you did something 205 00:07:57,110 --> 00:07:58,844 that's been quality time with Nova? 206 00:07:58,946 --> 00:08:02,547 Every time Nova's at his house, she texts me and complains, oh, 207 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:03,982 Daddy's not paying attention to me. 208 00:08:04,084 --> 00:08:06,084 Daddy's on his video games. 209 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:08,386 Daddy's doing this. Daddy's not doing that. 210 00:08:08,489 --> 00:08:11,389 So do you really wanna be a parent, or is it just for show? 211 00:08:11,492 --> 00:08:13,725 Because at this point, I just don't understand. 212 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:15,160 He doesn't take her out to dinner. 213 00:08:15,262 --> 00:08:16,728 He doesn't take her to the park. 214 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:18,296 He doesn't do anything. 215 00:08:18,398 --> 00:08:19,831 He doesn't even help her with her homework, 216 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:23,134 because every single time she comes home, 10 o'clock at night, 217 00:08:23,237 --> 00:08:24,569 and her homework is not finished, 218 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:28,073 and I have to do it after I worked a full [bleep] shift. 219 00:08:28,175 --> 00:08:32,210 I'm always working just to keep everybody afloat. 220 00:08:32,312 --> 00:08:33,845 I take care of everybody, 221 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:35,447 and who the [bleep] take cares of me? 222 00:08:35,549 --> 00:08:36,915 Who helps me? 223 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:38,216 - DR. DREW: Well, Roxanne and Brittany. 224 00:08:38,318 --> 00:08:39,784 - I shouldn't have to-- I shouldn't-- 225 00:08:39,887 --> 00:08:43,021 I shouldn't have to depend on them two for my kids. 226 00:08:43,123 --> 00:08:45,357 I shouldn't. They should help me--me. 227 00:08:45,459 --> 00:08:48,326 I'm her daughter. She should help me, not my kids. 228 00:08:48,428 --> 00:08:49,461 They should do that. 229 00:08:49,563 --> 00:08:52,197 DeVoin should do that. Luis should do that. 230 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:53,832 And you don't see me talk a lot about Luis, 231 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:55,233 because Luis doesn't wanna film. 232 00:08:55,335 --> 00:08:57,602 And every time I talk to Luis, it's off camera. 233 00:08:57,704 --> 00:09:00,772 But I'm just as mad with Luis as I am with DeVoin. 234 00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:02,240 Luis doesn't help physically. 235 00:09:02,342 --> 00:09:03,808 He does help financially. 236 00:09:03,911 --> 00:09:05,477 But DeVoin doesn't help financially 237 00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:07,379 and sometimes he helps physically. 238 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,180 I need both on the same page. 239 00:09:09,283 --> 00:09:10,782 And if they're not gonna be on the same page, 240 00:09:10,884 --> 00:09:12,884 I want them both out of my life so I can figure 241 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:16,054 what I have to do for my kids by myself. 242 00:09:16,156 --> 00:09:18,623 - Do you think all this is having an effect on Nova? 243 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:20,358 Don't you worry about that? 244 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:22,627 - Nova's getting older, and she's starting to realize 245 00:09:22,729 --> 00:09:25,130 what a [bleep] dad he is. 246 00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:27,666 Me and Nova have a set schedule all the time. 247 00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:29,901 When DeVoin gets put into the schedule, 248 00:09:30,003 --> 00:09:31,303 he [bleep] everything up. 249 00:09:31,405 --> 00:09:32,571 She hates being late. 250 00:09:32,673 --> 00:09:34,639 DeVoin is always late to picking up and dropping off. 251 00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:35,941 She gets anxiety for it. 252 00:09:36,043 --> 00:09:38,043 She texts me like, Mom, did anybody forget about me? 253 00:09:38,145 --> 00:09:39,077 Where's my dad? 254 00:09:39,179 --> 00:09:40,579 And then when I mention it to him, 255 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:43,081 DeVoin thinks that I'm lying, putting things in Nova's head. 256 00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:46,518 No, Nova's nine years old, and Nova knows what it is. 257 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:48,353 - They do need, like-- I feel like they do need 258 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:50,922 better communication sometimes. 259 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:52,624 - BRIANA: DeVoin is already set in his mindset. 260 00:09:52,726 --> 00:09:55,060 There's no changing anything he has to say. 261 00:09:55,162 --> 00:09:56,628 - BRITTANY: DeVoin got issues. Briana got issues too. 262 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:58,563 - DR. DREW: Hm. Correct. 263 00:09:58,665 --> 00:10:00,065 - So maybe they both go to therapy, 264 00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:01,566 or it's not gonna happen. 265 00:10:01,668 --> 00:10:03,268 - Brittany, are you saying they should go to therapy together 266 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:05,670 to try to get some communication going? 267 00:10:05,772 --> 00:10:07,572 - Ah, if they're open to it, yeah, because, like, 268 00:10:07,674 --> 00:10:09,140 other than that, they're not gonna really talk. 269 00:10:09,242 --> 00:10:11,643 But, like, I don't really see that happening, so... 270 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:15,914 - Briana, do you get enough support for being a good mom? 271 00:10:16,016 --> 00:10:18,350 Do you feel like people tell you that enough? 272 00:10:18,452 --> 00:10:19,618 No? 273 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,253 - BRITTANY: You don't feel like you're a good mom? 274 00:10:22,356 --> 00:10:23,855 - No, I think she feels she's a good mom. 275 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:24,889 But people don't let her know 276 00:10:24,992 --> 00:10:27,258 that she's a good mom very often. 277 00:10:27,361 --> 00:10:29,527 - BRITTANY: She do everything for this kids. 278 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:31,396 - You bust your ass for your kids nonstop. 279 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:35,800 We're not perfect as parents. 280 00:10:35,902 --> 00:10:39,070 Moms make mistakes, but you do the damn best that you can. 281 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:40,472 - DR. DREW: I'm sorry that it's so upsetting, 282 00:10:40,574 --> 00:10:41,973 and I'm sorry that it's not fair. 283 00:10:42,075 --> 00:10:43,742 But you're doing an amazing job. 284 00:10:43,844 --> 00:10:44,776 - BRITTANY: Yeah. 285 00:10:44,878 --> 00:10:46,077 - NESSA: After the break, 286 00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:48,413 we'll talk to Kail about Chris's future in Creed's life 287 00:10:48,515 --> 00:10:49,848 and hear about the fallout 288 00:10:49,950 --> 00:10:51,616 from blowing up Javi's [unintelligible] 289 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,718 in the Wawa incident. 290 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:57,122 - [applause] 291 00:10:57,224 --> 00:10:59,858 - So I wanna talk quickly about the Wawa incident. 292 00:11:04,531 --> 00:11:09,534 - ♪ - [applause] 293 00:11:10,737 --> 00:11:12,837 - We're back with the Teen Mom 2 Reunion. 294 00:11:12,939 --> 00:11:14,906 We are now connected with Kailyn. 295 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:16,074 Hey, Kailyn! 296 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:17,542 - [applause] 297 00:11:17,644 --> 00:11:18,576 - Hey, how are you? 298 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:19,711 - Good. - Hey, there. 299 00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:21,680 Kailyn, of course, is raising four sons. 300 00:11:21,782 --> 00:11:23,114 That alone is tough. 301 00:11:23,216 --> 00:11:25,116 But it's even harder when she's got conflict 302 00:11:25,218 --> 00:11:26,785 with each of the boy's fathers. 303 00:11:26,887 --> 00:11:30,088 Still, that has not stopped her from being an incredible mom. 304 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:32,123 Here's a look back at Kailyn's season. 305 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:35,427 - KAILYN: Lincoln, you're smiling way too hard. 306 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:37,962 A real one! There you go. 307 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:39,330 - Hey, Mom. - KAILYN: What? 308 00:11:39,433 --> 00:11:41,700 - Why did you sign up for so much kids? 309 00:11:41,802 --> 00:11:43,401 - Boy! 310 00:11:43,503 --> 00:11:44,803 Did you hear my son? 311 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:48,807 - You have to go to your dad's 312 00:11:48,909 --> 00:11:51,843 because he's 50% of your parents. 313 00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:55,647 I told, um, Joe I felt like Isaac was old enough to choose. 314 00:11:55,749 --> 00:11:56,815 He said he doesn't believe 315 00:11:56,917 --> 00:11:59,284 that Isaac is old enough to make those decisions. 316 00:11:59,386 --> 00:12:00,852 - Do you not have a relationship with your mom? 317 00:12:00,954 --> 00:12:02,220 - I don't. 318 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:03,922 - Even though you might not have a relationship with her, 319 00:12:04,024 --> 00:12:06,291 the love that your mother has for you 320 00:12:06,393 --> 00:12:08,593 is the only thing that keeps her going. 321 00:12:08,695 --> 00:12:11,396 - [phone ringing] 322 00:12:11,498 --> 00:12:12,764 - KAILYN: My mom is calling. 323 00:12:12,866 --> 00:12:15,734 I actually didn't know if you were dead or alive. 324 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:18,670 I texted Javi and Joe last week 325 00:12:18,772 --> 00:12:23,007 and told them that we could meet in Smyrna from now on. 326 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:24,776 Javi, he texted me, then was like, oh, 327 00:12:24,878 --> 00:12:25,877 I'm not gonna do anything for you 328 00:12:25,979 --> 00:12:27,078 'cause you're mean to me and Lauren. 329 00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:28,246 Oh, really? 330 00:12:28,348 --> 00:12:30,181 Is that why you tried to [bleep] me on Tuesday? 331 00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:31,783 In the Wawa parking lot? 332 00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:34,252 While your girlfriend's home with your son. 333 00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:35,286 Yep. 334 00:12:35,388 --> 00:12:36,387 Oh my god, she texted me. 335 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:37,655 - MAN: What did she say? 336 00:12:37,758 --> 00:12:40,358 - KAILYN: "If you're free now, I can talk." 337 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:41,960 I feel like I'm gonna throw up. 338 00:12:42,062 --> 00:12:47,298 Chris's aunt decided to post a photo of my ultrasound. 339 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,466 I'm pregnant. 340 00:12:48,568 --> 00:12:50,401 I did consider abortion. 341 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:54,506 But I was just like, I need to see the ultrasound to, like, 342 00:12:54,608 --> 00:12:56,074 see if I connect with this baby. 343 00:12:56,176 --> 00:13:00,678 At that point, I just decided that abortion wasn't for me. 344 00:13:00,781 --> 00:13:03,481 Even if the coronavirus is, you know, 345 00:13:03,583 --> 00:13:05,717 more under control in July, I mean, 346 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:07,919 that doesn't mean that the entire hospitals 347 00:13:08,021 --> 00:13:10,588 are completely sanitized. 348 00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:13,758 And the pregnant are vulnerable, newborns are vulnerable. 349 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:14,793 That's terrifying. 350 00:13:14,895 --> 00:13:16,494 I've decided to do a homebirth. 351 00:13:16,596 --> 00:13:18,696 My body's done this three other times naturally, 352 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,899 and I have not ever had an issue, um, 353 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:22,433 at birth or during labor. 354 00:13:22,536 --> 00:13:25,537 Woke up this morning with contractions 355 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:27,639 that I could not sleep through. 356 00:13:27,741 --> 00:13:29,641 My contractions got stronger. And in the heat of the moment, 357 00:13:29,743 --> 00:13:31,609 I called Chris to tell him I was in labor. 358 00:13:31,711 --> 00:13:32,744 He showed up, 359 00:13:32,846 --> 00:13:36,014 and a few hours later, my midwife arrived. 360 00:13:36,116 --> 00:13:38,850 After hours of labor, the baby was finally born. 361 00:13:38,952 --> 00:13:42,220 His birth was a little scary, but he's perfectly healthy. 362 00:13:42,322 --> 00:13:43,955 I don't want Creed to have a relationship with Chris 363 00:13:44,057 --> 00:13:46,324 for the simple fact that I don't think it's normal. 364 00:13:46,426 --> 00:13:47,525 I don't think it's healthy. 365 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:52,330 - Pretty much. 366 00:13:52,432 --> 00:13:55,333 I just don't want you to [bleep] my kids up. 367 00:13:55,435 --> 00:13:57,402 And I need to pick up the pieces 368 00:13:57,504 --> 00:14:00,138 of the mess that I created and--and... 369 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,406 keep it pushing. 370 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:04,776 - [applause] 371 00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:08,746 - What is it like having four boys in the house, Kail? 372 00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:11,015 - I mean, my house was chaos all the time regardless. 373 00:14:11,117 --> 00:14:12,383 But I just, you know, like-- 374 00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:15,253 it always--there's always mud everywhere. 375 00:14:15,355 --> 00:14:16,554 It smells like socks. 376 00:14:16,656 --> 00:14:19,123 Like, I can't--it's never--I don't know. 377 00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:20,325 But it's fun. 378 00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:22,093 - NESSA: Yeah, it looks like it's a lot of fun. 379 00:14:22,195 --> 00:14:24,529 - Now, we saw that unexpected call this season 380 00:14:24,631 --> 00:14:26,197 from your mom, right? - Yeah. 381 00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:27,632 - DR. DREW: What went through your mind 382 00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:30,335 when her name showed up on your phone? 383 00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:32,370 And I'm also wondering how long had it been 384 00:14:32,472 --> 00:14:34,205 since you'd spoken to her. 385 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:36,274 - Well, for one, I think I manifested it 386 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:39,611 or the psychic manifested it or saw it. 387 00:14:39,713 --> 00:14:40,912 I don't really know. 388 00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:44,148 Um, it was definitely really weird to have her phone-- 389 00:14:44,251 --> 00:14:46,584 her name pop up on my phone at that time. 390 00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:51,389 Um, I wanna say it had been three years, maybe, 391 00:14:51,491 --> 00:14:54,726 um, since I had heard from her. 392 00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:57,328 - You and I have spoken about her a lot over the years, right? 393 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:59,964 And you've described her as alcoholic, sex addict, 394 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:01,666 love addict, these kinds of things. 395 00:15:01,768 --> 00:15:03,668 Uh, those things are treatable, right? 396 00:15:03,770 --> 00:15:07,005 And I'm wondering if when she reaches out to you, 397 00:15:07,107 --> 00:15:08,740 that's part of her... 398 00:15:08,842 --> 00:15:10,041 maybe when she's getting better. 399 00:15:10,143 --> 00:15:11,809 And I certainly understand your reluctance, 400 00:15:11,912 --> 00:15:14,245 'cause you wanna see-- you don't think so? 401 00:15:14,347 --> 00:15:15,647 - No. - DR. DREW: No. 402 00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:19,150 - I definitely think that it's just her guilty conscience. 403 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:23,454 And when she has a minute and she is under the influence, um, 404 00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:25,356 those are her sober thoughts coming out. 405 00:15:25,458 --> 00:15:28,259 And I think that's, you know, when she calls me. 406 00:15:28,361 --> 00:15:31,562 I've never received a call from her when she's been sober. 407 00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:34,732 - NESSA: Okay, so I wanna talk quickly about the Wawa incident. 408 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:36,734 You had mentioned that you only shared that story 409 00:15:36,836 --> 00:15:38,136 because you were upset Javi 410 00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:41,372 wouldn't meet halfway for Lincoln's pickups. 411 00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:43,641 Why did he refuse that request? 412 00:15:43,743 --> 00:15:46,077 - KAILYN: I'm actually really embarrassed about the things 413 00:15:46,179 --> 00:15:48,947 that I've said on TV about their situation 414 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:51,182 because it's not my place and it's not my business 415 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:53,851 to put those kinds of things out there. 416 00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:56,988 And I've been in therapy for a year. 417 00:15:57,090 --> 00:16:00,792 And I don't think that I ever really cared about 418 00:16:00,894 --> 00:16:02,660 the consequences or what that looks like 419 00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:04,495 after saying things like that 420 00:16:04,597 --> 00:16:07,632 about other people's relationships until now. 421 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:10,768 And so I...I just-- I really just don't-- 422 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:14,739 I don't wanna discuss, like, their relationship anymore. 423 00:16:14,841 --> 00:16:17,241 Like, it's not--it's just not okay for me to do. 424 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:20,078 - NESSA: Any other lessons that you wanna share 425 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:21,179 after going through this 426 00:16:21,281 --> 00:16:23,548 and you're continuing all this great work? 427 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:25,984 - No. I mean, I just hope that this season, 428 00:16:26,086 --> 00:16:28,753 people really see the growth that I've done, um, 429 00:16:28,855 --> 00:16:30,888 kind of over the last year, because I definitely think 430 00:16:30,991 --> 00:16:36,127 that this past year has... hands down been the worst-- 431 00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:38,396 the best worst year that I've been through. 432 00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:39,931 - How about Creed? How's he doing? 433 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:43,368 - Creed is the--is a very difficult baby. 434 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:48,373 Um, I love him, and I don't know how I... 435 00:16:48,475 --> 00:16:49,941 how I ever lived without him. 436 00:16:50,043 --> 00:16:52,543 But he is very, very difficult. 437 00:16:52,645 --> 00:16:54,512 - DR. DREW: And this time, you gave birth at home, right? 438 00:16:54,614 --> 00:16:56,447 And that's what-- that's interesting. 439 00:16:56,549 --> 00:16:59,317 How did that compare to your other birth experiences? 440 00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:02,353 - I loved that I was able to kind of listen to my own body 441 00:17:02,455 --> 00:17:05,556 and do what I felt was supposed to happen. 442 00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:07,792 Um, my body's done this three times before. 443 00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:10,595 And it was really nice to just be home and comfortable 444 00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:12,764 when I was, you know, giving birth. 445 00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:14,999 - How surprised were you that Chris showed up for the birth? 446 00:17:15,101 --> 00:17:16,100 - I would have to say that 447 00:17:16,202 --> 00:17:18,469 I was actually very surprised he showed up, 448 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:21,472 'cause one, I just went back and forth so much 449 00:17:21,574 --> 00:17:22,774 about telling him, you know, 450 00:17:22,876 --> 00:17:24,709 when I went into labor and stuff like that. 451 00:17:24,811 --> 00:17:29,380 And, um, we have things in place that are preventing us 452 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:31,182 from even being around each other. 453 00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:34,652 So I thought that he deserved to know that I was in labor. 454 00:17:34,754 --> 00:17:36,287 So when I called to tell him that, 455 00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:39,490 I did not expect him to show up at the door shortly thereafter. 456 00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:42,660 - Okay, so I wanna talk a little bit about how you had to 457 00:17:42,762 --> 00:17:47,231 announce the birth after Chris's aunt leaked the sonogram. 458 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:50,735 How upset were you when she did that? 459 00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:54,505 - I think it was kind of like the ultimate betrayal, 460 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,607 only because that aunt was someone 461 00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:59,010 that I was the closest to in his family. 462 00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:01,879 And so it kind of cut extra deep. 463 00:18:01,981 --> 00:18:03,514 And also, just because I was in a place 464 00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:05,116 where I didn't know what I wanted to do. 465 00:18:05,218 --> 00:18:09,187 I didn't know if I wanted to continue with the pregnancy. 466 00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:11,355 I didn't know where I was at. 467 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:13,091 I was in a really, really dark place. 468 00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:16,160 And so I--it almost... 469 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:19,664 it almost felt like she was making the decision for me. 470 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:20,865 - Mmm. - KAILYN: Um, 471 00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:22,533 because what if I had wanted to go through with 472 00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:24,535 the abortion and she put that out there? 473 00:18:24,637 --> 00:18:26,370 Then I would have to deal with that publicly, you know? 474 00:18:26,473 --> 00:18:29,440 That was something that I really just didn't expect, 475 00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:33,077 and of her of all people. - NESSA: Yeah. 476 00:18:33,179 --> 00:18:37,014 Now, when you look back on this season, what have you learned? 477 00:18:37,117 --> 00:18:40,251 - I've learned that I should keep my mouth shut a lot more. 478 00:18:40,353 --> 00:18:41,953 - [laughter] 479 00:18:42,055 --> 00:18:45,857 - KAILYN: Um, I'm very, very hard on myself. 480 00:18:45,959 --> 00:18:49,260 Um, and I need to kind of work on that, because, you know, 481 00:18:49,362 --> 00:18:50,995 I need to give myself some grace. 482 00:18:51,097 --> 00:18:52,430 And I think a lot of people, 483 00:18:52,532 --> 00:18:54,532 if their lives were on TV in their 20's, 484 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:57,902 it would be, you know, [bleep] show too. 485 00:18:58,004 --> 00:18:59,670 So I need to understand that, you know, 486 00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:00,938 I'm not the only one 487 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,074 going through some [bleep] all the time. 488 00:19:03,176 --> 00:19:04,308 - Well, listen. After the break, 489 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:06,511 we'll find out how counseling 490 00:19:06,613 --> 00:19:09,747 helped smooth things over between Kail and Joe, all right? 491 00:19:09,849 --> 00:19:10,882 Stick around. 492 00:19:10,984 --> 00:19:14,719 - [applause] 493 00:19:14,821 --> 00:19:17,822 - ♪ 494 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,028 - [cheers and applause] - ♪ 495 00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:25,863 - Welcome back to the Teen Mom 2 Reunion. 496 00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:28,466 We are still here speaking with Kailyn. 497 00:19:28,568 --> 00:19:30,334 - [cheers and applause] 498 00:19:30,436 --> 00:19:31,602 - DR. DREW: Now, early in the season, 499 00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:33,838 you said Isaac should not have to go to Joe's 500 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:35,306 when he doesn't want to. 501 00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:37,909 But when he wanted to stay at Joe's for a week, you said, 502 00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:40,278 well, he's too young to make those decisions. 503 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:41,879 Explain. 504 00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,782 - By the time I realized, like, what the situation was and, 505 00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:48,119 like, went to therapy, and then the same thing happened to me, 506 00:19:48,221 --> 00:19:50,121 it was like I had a different perspective. 507 00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:54,158 But also, just in all of that, I realized, okay, well, 508 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:57,461 Joe and I already each only have 50% of the time, right? 509 00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:00,097 So if I were to let him stay over at his dad's 510 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,766 no matter what's going on, 511 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:03,134 he's then missing more than 512 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:05,836 50% of the time with his brothers. 513 00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:08,172 So it's not just me. It's his brothers. 514 00:20:08,274 --> 00:20:11,842 And so I kind of had to put myself in that perspective where 515 00:20:11,945 --> 00:20:13,678 when I'm asking Joe to do those things, 516 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:15,346 I need to not take it personally, 517 00:20:15,448 --> 00:20:17,415 and I need to really look at the bigger picture. 518 00:20:17,517 --> 00:20:18,983 Like, he has a sister over there. 519 00:20:19,085 --> 00:20:20,918 He has a dad. He has family over there too. 520 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:22,587 So it's the same thing. 521 00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:24,989 So it wasn't so much that, oh, he's not old enough now. 522 00:20:25,091 --> 00:20:28,292 It was like, okay, I've gone through therapy, you know, 523 00:20:28,394 --> 00:20:30,127 on my own about it. 524 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:31,963 I went to counseling with Joe about it. 525 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:35,399 Joe and I talked more about it, um, separate from counseling. 526 00:20:35,501 --> 00:20:38,202 Um, so I was just very much in a different space. 527 00:20:38,304 --> 00:20:40,037 - How did the counseling affect you and Joe? 528 00:20:40,139 --> 00:20:41,939 - I think the counseling was good for us. 529 00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:43,741 I wish that we would go more, 530 00:20:43,843 --> 00:20:45,710 and I actually wish that I could go with Javi, too. 531 00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:48,813 Um, it was just a neutral party 532 00:20:48,915 --> 00:20:50,514 that could understand both sides. 533 00:20:50,617 --> 00:20:53,084 And I think that sometimes-- I can't speak for Joe, 534 00:20:53,186 --> 00:20:56,487 but when I look back, I think that a lot of times I kind of 535 00:20:56,589 --> 00:21:00,424 felt like him saying no was him more saying no to me 536 00:21:00,526 --> 00:21:03,494 than he was, you know, yes or no for Isaac. 537 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:04,929 - Right, for sure. 538 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:08,899 Kailyn recently launched a new podcast, Baby Mamas No Drama. 539 00:21:09,002 --> 00:21:12,203 Let's now welcome her co-host, Isaac's stepmom, Vee. 540 00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:14,672 - [applause] 541 00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:16,340 - VEE: Hi, guys. - NESSA: Hi, Vee. 542 00:21:16,442 --> 00:21:18,709 It's been a while since we got to speak with you. 543 00:21:18,811 --> 00:21:20,378 How have you been? 544 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,712 - I'm great. How are you? 545 00:21:21,814 --> 00:21:23,047 - NESSA: Great! 546 00:21:23,149 --> 00:21:24,849 - So you guys have been working together a lot lately. 547 00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:27,051 And I remember the days when things were not, 548 00:21:27,153 --> 00:21:28,419 shall we call, collaborative. 549 00:21:28,521 --> 00:21:31,022 There was a little tension between you two. 550 00:21:31,124 --> 00:21:35,660 How did you evolve from where I remember you all at one time 551 00:21:35,762 --> 00:21:37,194 through all these businesses? 552 00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:39,430 Tell us about it. - You know, I think Vee and I 553 00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:40,798 have this conversation all the time. 554 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,768 I think it's more of, like, we kind of grew up together, 555 00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:45,303 and so we had to mature. 556 00:21:45,405 --> 00:21:49,340 So we kind of just, like, put our drama and BS aside. 557 00:21:49,442 --> 00:21:51,042 And now, you know, we're really good friends 558 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:52,276 and we're able to work together. 559 00:21:52,378 --> 00:21:55,479 So I don't know. I'm excited, though. 560 00:21:55,581 --> 00:21:57,048 - How did the podcast happen? 561 00:21:57,150 --> 00:22:00,151 - Vee texted me and was like, hey, Kail, 562 00:22:00,253 --> 00:22:02,586 we should do a podcast and I have the perfect name for it, 563 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:03,921 and Baby Mamas No Drama. 564 00:22:04,023 --> 00:22:05,556 And I was like, oh wow, yeah, let's do it. 565 00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:08,192 And then it happened so quickly 566 00:22:08,294 --> 00:22:09,627 that I don't even think either of us 567 00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:11,662 really processed, like, the whole thing. 568 00:22:11,764 --> 00:22:13,064 - Yeah, she was just like, all right, 569 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:15,499 let me contact my person and see if we can do this. 570 00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:17,635 And then they were like, yeah, we can do it. 571 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:19,437 And I was like, oh [bleep], this is really happening. 572 00:22:19,539 --> 00:22:21,138 - [laughter] 573 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,840 - NESSA: We've heard for a long time you shouldn't 574 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,241 mix business and family together. 575 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:26,644 But it's been working out for the both of you. 576 00:22:26,746 --> 00:22:28,045 So how's it been? 577 00:22:28,147 --> 00:22:30,548 - It's been great, I think. All right. [laughs] 578 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:33,351 - So we got, like, um, an agreement ahead of time. 579 00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:35,619 And we split everything 50/50. 580 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:38,422 And so I think that was super helpful right off the bat. 581 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:41,392 It wasn't like we started and nothing was, like, 582 00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:43,894 established in, you know--in that aspect. 583 00:22:43,996 --> 00:22:47,198 So, um, we put the business side, you know, first, 584 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:50,334 and then everything else is fine. 585 00:22:50,436 --> 00:22:52,069 - No, we did everything the right way. 586 00:22:52,171 --> 00:22:55,406 And, you know, I think that's important. 587 00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:58,342 - Vee, how do you feel about Joe and Kail going to therapy? 588 00:22:58,444 --> 00:23:00,978 Have you seen improvements as a result? 589 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,481 I'm wondering if you have ever attended therapy with them. 590 00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:05,616 - No, I've never attended therapy with them. 591 00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,518 Um, but I think it's good. 592 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:10,488 I mean, I always tell Joe I think it's a good idea so that 593 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:12,990 they're on the same page and stuff like that, so... 594 00:23:13,092 --> 00:23:14,191 - DR. DREW: Good. 595 00:23:14,293 --> 00:23:15,893 - Well, Vee, tell Joe we miss him very much, okay? 596 00:23:15,995 --> 00:23:17,361 - I will. 597 00:23:17,463 --> 00:23:20,398 - Well, Kail and Vee, thank you so much for talking to us today. 598 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:21,665 We appreciate it. 599 00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:24,535 Kail, give our best to the boys, please. 600 00:23:24,637 --> 00:23:27,838 And coming up, Chelsea will give us updates on her pregnancy 601 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:30,207 and how she's been managing her anxiety 602 00:23:30,309 --> 00:23:32,176 during the COVID pandemic. 603 00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:34,979 And we'll talk about her future on Teen Mom 2. 604 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:36,113 Stick around. 605 00:23:36,215 --> 00:23:40,618 - [applause] 606 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,321 - The season ended with you leaving Teen Mom 2. 607 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:46,557 Is that really your final decision? 608 00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:52,563 - ♪ 609 00:23:52,665 --> 00:23:54,498 - [cheers and applause] 610 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,600 - Welcome back to the Teen Mom 2 Reunion. 611 00:23:56,702 --> 00:23:59,203 We are ready now to speak to Chelsea. 612 00:23:59,305 --> 00:24:00,871 - [applause] 613 00:24:00,973 --> 00:24:03,407 - Chelsea had a lot to be thankful for this season. 614 00:24:03,509 --> 00:24:04,775 She's in a happy marriage. 615 00:24:04,877 --> 00:24:08,145 She has three amazing kids, with a fourth one on the way. 616 00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:11,415 And she's doing incredible work with Lauriebelles. 617 00:24:11,517 --> 00:24:14,418 But the coronavirus has caused her anxiety to flare up, 618 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,921 causing her to make some big life changes. 619 00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:19,723 Let's look back at her journey this season. 620 00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:21,492 - ♪ 621 00:24:21,594 --> 00:24:25,062 - ALL: Cheese! 622 00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:27,097 - We're gonna go to where we're gonna build our house. 623 00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:30,134 - [laughs] 624 00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:31,502 I just took that one. 625 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:35,206 - Oh, I told you! You ass[bleep]! 626 00:24:35,308 --> 00:24:37,141 We're gonna have another baby! 627 00:24:37,243 --> 00:24:38,409 - We're having another girl. 628 00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:40,778 We're gonna have three girls. 629 00:24:42,949 --> 00:24:45,950 Aubree has been asking me for a phone forever, of course. 630 00:24:46,052 --> 00:24:47,184 Every kid does. 631 00:24:47,286 --> 00:24:48,586 What are you calling me from right now? 632 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,355 - My new phone! - CHELSEA: Oh! 633 00:24:51,457 --> 00:24:54,592 I would like to be approving who you're adding into your phone. 634 00:24:54,694 --> 00:24:57,428 Um, if you're gonna want your other dad in there... 635 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:58,462 - Yeah. 636 00:24:58,564 --> 00:24:59,730 - CHELSEA: That'd be fine. 637 00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:01,432 She sent him three texts yesterday. 638 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:02,433 - He never said anything? 639 00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:03,601 - CHELSEA: And he never said anything. 640 00:25:03,703 --> 00:25:06,237 I just don't understand. - WOMAN: Yeah. 641 00:25:06,339 --> 00:25:07,471 - CHELSEA: Oh my god. - Yes. 642 00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:09,039 - Oh my god, it looks so good! 643 00:25:09,141 --> 00:25:10,774 - It does look--it's so good! 644 00:25:10,877 --> 00:25:12,142 - CHELSEA: Are you kidding me? 645 00:25:12,245 --> 00:25:15,913 Laurie is gonna do, like, a work trip to LA. 646 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:17,181 - COLE: This is good for you. 647 00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,218 - I mean, I hope not. 648 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,053 - After reading all the news things, I was like, dang, 649 00:25:23,155 --> 00:25:25,155 I don't wanna travel. 650 00:25:25,258 --> 00:25:28,025 - Like, at first, I didn't think this was actually a big deal. 651 00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:29,894 But I'm starting to get a little-- 652 00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:31,061 - It's a huge deal! 653 00:25:31,163 --> 00:25:34,131 - Well, I'm getting scared now! 654 00:25:34,233 --> 00:25:35,633 - Well, what are your concerns with, like, 655 00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:37,034 filming with the crew? 656 00:25:37,136 --> 00:25:39,670 - My concerns are I don't feel comfortable testing the kids 657 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:40,804 three times a week. 658 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:42,206 Being parent in this right now, 659 00:25:42,308 --> 00:25:44,441 you always feel like you're doing everything [bleep] wrong. 660 00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:45,843 So I just have to figure out 661 00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:49,280 what feels right for us and our family. 662 00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:53,117 - [applause] 663 00:25:53,219 --> 00:25:55,686 - Well, now, Chelsea, we had to make some 664 00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:57,788 last-minute adjustments for your shoot. 665 00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:59,924 Can you explain to us what happened? 666 00:26:00,026 --> 00:26:02,693 - Um, so, yeah, we-- they came and set up a shoot, 667 00:26:02,795 --> 00:26:05,362 or a set here. And then they, like-- 668 00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:09,667 we had to do a survey for COVID protocol 669 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:11,368 or whatever before we went on set. 670 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:15,873 And it turns out I was around someone who was exposed to it. 671 00:26:15,975 --> 00:26:20,644 Um...so just out of caution, uh, we just--they just gave me 672 00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:23,747 everything, and I set up everything here at home. 673 00:26:23,849 --> 00:26:26,784 Um...so if it looks bad, it's my fault. 674 00:26:26,886 --> 00:26:28,218 - DR. DREW & NESSA: [chuckling] 675 00:26:28,321 --> 00:26:31,055 - NESSA: The coronavirus is stressful for everyone, 676 00:26:31,157 --> 00:26:33,557 but especially for someone like you, Chelsea, 677 00:26:33,659 --> 00:26:35,359 who suffers from anxiety. 678 00:26:35,461 --> 00:26:38,662 How have you been dealing with life in the pandemic? 679 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:42,566 - 100% better than I did last year. 680 00:26:42,668 --> 00:26:44,835 I've truly--and I don't-- 681 00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:47,304 this is-- I'm obviously not a doctor. 682 00:26:47,406 --> 00:26:50,507 Um, but I feel like women, if you are breastfeeding 683 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:52,610 and you're experiencing panic attacks 684 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:56,246 or anything that seems similar than what I-- 685 00:26:56,349 --> 00:26:58,349 or to what I was going through, 686 00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:02,620 I feel like I was having a hormonal something 687 00:27:02,722 --> 00:27:04,955 with breastfeeding. I don't know. 688 00:27:05,057 --> 00:27:07,391 I've heard that that can cause certain things, 689 00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:09,326 uh, postpartum, you know? 690 00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:11,829 I truly think that was contributing to 691 00:27:11,931 --> 00:27:13,664 what I was going through last year. 692 00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:15,532 - Can I just say, it doesn't have to be the breastfeeding. 693 00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:18,936 I mean, any depression within 12 months of a delivery, 694 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,504 that is a postpartum depression. 695 00:27:20,606 --> 00:27:24,241 And they are intense, and profound, and protean. 696 00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:26,543 They manifest in all kinds of different ways. 697 00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:28,445 Many times, like with Chelsea, 698 00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:29,713 you don't even realize you're depressed. 699 00:27:29,815 --> 00:27:32,216 You just have panic. 700 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,551 - And when is the due date? 701 00:27:34,654 --> 00:27:37,421 - February 16th. 702 00:27:37,523 --> 00:27:40,457 - How exciting. I'm so happy for you all. 703 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,227 So how is Aubree liking her new cellphone? 704 00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:45,596 I mean, she was so excited to get one. 705 00:27:45,698 --> 00:27:47,097 How's it been? 706 00:27:47,199 --> 00:27:48,632 - I think it's good that she has one. 707 00:27:48,734 --> 00:27:51,435 She is connected with her friends, and she loves that. 708 00:27:51,537 --> 00:27:53,237 - How old did it make you feel 709 00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:55,439 when Aubree was describing a home phone? 710 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:56,573 She was like, it's old fashioned. 711 00:27:56,676 --> 00:27:59,043 It's got the twirly thing to it. 712 00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:03,147 - I felt so old. 713 00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:05,182 And then I saw something where it's like, if you ask a kid, 714 00:28:05,284 --> 00:28:07,418 like, what does this mean? 715 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520 They are--show you--show you, like, 716 00:28:09,622 --> 00:28:11,955 how would you hold a phone up to your ear, like, with your hand? 717 00:28:12,058 --> 00:28:13,724 And like, how we would go like this, 718 00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:15,793 they would go like this or something. 719 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:20,798 - NESSA: Oh my gosh. Oh dear. [laughs] 720 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:23,000 - Now, we saw some tension about the Linds 721 00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:25,035 having Aubree's phone number. 722 00:28:25,137 --> 00:28:27,538 Do they text or call Aubree very much? 723 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,475 - I think Grandma Donna checks in often, yes. 724 00:28:31,577 --> 00:28:33,410 - Has the custody arrangement changed? 725 00:28:33,512 --> 00:28:35,679 - So they never ended up getting back to us on the letter, 726 00:28:35,781 --> 00:28:37,014 the official letter. 727 00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:39,783 I think they might have gotten it and just accepted that 728 00:28:39,885 --> 00:28:44,621 that was maybe a good idea or decision for Aubree. 729 00:28:44,724 --> 00:28:47,558 Um, ever since then, that's kind of been the case. 730 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:49,526 - Well, we have to take a break. But after the break, 731 00:28:49,628 --> 00:28:51,795 Chelsea's husband, Cole, will join us. 732 00:28:51,897 --> 00:28:54,364 - And we'll talk to Chelsea about her difficult decision 733 00:28:54,467 --> 00:28:56,200 to step away from the show. 734 00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:58,102 Plus, we'll give her a proper goodbye 735 00:28:58,204 --> 00:29:01,505 with a look back at her time on these reunions. 736 00:29:01,607 --> 00:29:02,706 Don't move. 737 00:29:02,808 --> 00:29:07,644 - [applause] - ♪ 738 00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:13,817 - ♪ - [applause] 739 00:29:14,687 --> 00:29:15,586 - Welcome back. 740 00:29:15,688 --> 00:29:17,020 We are still talking to Chelsea, 741 00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:19,389 and we are now joined by her husband, Cole. 742 00:29:19,492 --> 00:29:21,125 - [applause] 743 00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:24,228 - DR. DREW: So Cole, you've gotta get back into the mindset 744 00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:27,998 of being the dad to a newborn. How hard is that? 745 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,366 - I think it's pretty easy. 746 00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:30,567 - [laughs] 747 00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:32,236 - We're not too far out it. 748 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:35,806 - Nah, I feel like I'm an old pro, so it'll be easy. 749 00:29:35,908 --> 00:29:37,908 - Is what you're saying is Chelsea's gonna do everything? 750 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:39,409 - [laughs] - Ha! 751 00:29:39,512 --> 00:29:40,944 - No way. - [chuckles] 752 00:29:41,046 --> 00:29:43,480 - So Cole, we've seen you over the past being very helpful with 753 00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:46,316 Chelsea when she has panic and anxiety. 754 00:29:46,418 --> 00:29:49,052 Uh, what do you do to help her calm? 755 00:29:49,155 --> 00:29:50,721 Particularly in the day of COVID. 756 00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:53,524 - I have learned, um... 757 00:29:53,626 --> 00:29:57,628 just to step back and listen to what actually is gonna help her, 758 00:29:57,730 --> 00:30:00,330 'cause I used to always jump in and be like, can I do this? 759 00:30:00,432 --> 00:30:01,698 Can I do this? 760 00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:03,267 Then it'd be like, I'm being way too much. 761 00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:06,804 I'm just probably giving you more anxiety. 762 00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:08,105 - CHELSEA: Sometimes it's space 763 00:30:08,207 --> 00:30:11,909 and sometimes I need somebody, you know, helping, so... 764 00:30:12,011 --> 00:30:15,445 - It's being fully present, whether it's present and go away 765 00:30:15,548 --> 00:30:17,548 or present and be helpful. 766 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:18,482 - Exactly. 767 00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:19,950 - Chelsea, other than going away, 768 00:30:20,052 --> 00:30:22,186 what are some of his best techniques to help you? 769 00:30:22,288 --> 00:30:26,190 - Um, he always will--like, if I do need, like, space, 770 00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:28,192 he'll send me texts that just say, like, 771 00:30:28,294 --> 00:30:30,260 the most positive, nicest things. 772 00:30:30,362 --> 00:30:32,963 Or, like, there's one example is I went in the bathroom 773 00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:34,698 and I opened up the cupboard, and there was a list 774 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,134 of positive affirmations that he put there. 775 00:30:37,236 --> 00:30:40,737 He definitely goes out of his way. 776 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040 And he's too sweet. 777 00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:45,576 - DR. DREW: And Cole, I noticed this season 778 00:30:45,678 --> 00:30:48,478 Adam's lunch visits seemed to bother you quite a bit. 779 00:30:48,581 --> 00:30:49,546 Why? 780 00:30:49,648 --> 00:30:51,548 - If he wants to see her, I would like-- 781 00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:55,118 I would like her to have another way to see him 782 00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:58,522 rather than just in her lunchroom for 20 minutes. 783 00:30:58,624 --> 00:31:00,424 I just don't want her to be hurt. 784 00:31:00,526 --> 00:31:01,992 That's the bottom line. 785 00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:03,660 - And yet you're seeing that happen. 786 00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:05,162 You feel her pain. 787 00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:06,530 - For sure. - DR. DREW: Yeah. 788 00:31:06,632 --> 00:31:09,032 - NESSA: Now, Chelsea, this season ended with you closing 789 00:31:09,134 --> 00:31:13,437 this chapter of your life and leaving Teen Mom 2. 790 00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:16,340 Is that really your final decision? 791 00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:18,141 - Do you wanna call a lifeline? 792 00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,010 - [laughter] 793 00:31:20,112 --> 00:31:24,848 - I put--I was losing sleep over this for weeks. 794 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:26,316 I... 795 00:31:26,418 --> 00:31:28,151 It just felt like to me, 796 00:31:28,254 --> 00:31:29,686 it got to the point where I just couldn't. 797 00:31:29,788 --> 00:31:32,022 It didn't feel right anymore. 798 00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:34,658 I didn't feel like it was good for my mental health, 799 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,827 maybe not for the kids. 800 00:31:36,929 --> 00:31:39,062 You know, it wasn't an easy decision. 801 00:31:39,164 --> 00:31:41,798 This has been my life for--since I was 17. 802 00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:45,402 Like, to say that this was a scary decision 803 00:31:45,504 --> 00:31:47,704 would be an understatement. 804 00:31:47,806 --> 00:31:49,873 - And Cole, how are you feeling about it? 805 00:31:49,975 --> 00:31:53,277 - COLE: I got to witness how it actually affected her. 806 00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:56,213 And the decision, I can tell you, 807 00:31:56,315 --> 00:31:58,815 was definitely not easy for her. 808 00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:01,018 Um, but she knows I'm right behind her. 809 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,722 And whatever she wants to do, no matter what, I'll be right here. 810 00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:10,527 - Well, I know for us, it was, you know, sad to hear the news, 811 00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:14,097 obviously because we enjoy you two so much, your entire family. 812 00:32:14,199 --> 00:32:17,701 But, I mean, people know you guys from the show. 813 00:32:17,803 --> 00:32:20,304 But having to have experienced you guys personally, 814 00:32:20,406 --> 00:32:23,974 I know for me, I will miss you very, very much, 815 00:32:24,076 --> 00:32:25,475 the both of you, for sure. 816 00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:28,078 - And, uh, Chelsea... 817 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:30,681 - You guys, no, you can't make me cry! 818 00:32:30,783 --> 00:32:33,784 I'm very emotional already 'cause I'm pregnant. 819 00:32:33,886 --> 00:32:36,053 - I'm close already, anyways. 820 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:37,988 - It has been very emotional. 821 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:39,122 - All right. 822 00:32:39,224 --> 00:32:42,693 - I mean, really, it came down to Aubree. 823 00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:45,362 You know your kids, and you know what's best for them. 824 00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:48,999 And I just think as a family, we were all kind of feeling 825 00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:51,835 the same way, that, you know-- 826 00:32:51,937 --> 00:32:53,870 I really cherish 827 00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:56,306 the open relationship that I have with Aubree. 828 00:32:56,408 --> 00:33:00,844 And when I would see some scenes of her and I alone, talking, 829 00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:03,046 like, when I tell you it made me sick, 830 00:33:03,148 --> 00:33:06,249 I just--I did not like how it made me feel anymore. 831 00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:07,918 - Yeah. - DR. DREW: So Chelsea, 832 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:10,387 we put together a little, uh, 833 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:14,758 video of you in the reunions across the years. 834 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:15,759 - Oh god. 835 00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:17,160 - DR. DREW: I wanna play it for you, 836 00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:18,862 but not until after the break. 837 00:33:18,964 --> 00:33:21,665 - ♪ - [applause] 838 00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:27,938 - ♪ - [cheers and applause] 839 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,972 - Welcome back. 840 00:33:29,074 --> 00:33:31,608 We're still here with Chelsea and Cole. 841 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:33,176 - [cheers and applause] 842 00:33:33,278 --> 00:33:35,712 - DR. DREW: I'm not saying anything you all don't know 843 00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:40,450 out there, which is that Chelsea has had a remarkable, uh, story. 844 00:33:40,552 --> 00:33:42,686 Remarkable, since she first appeared on 16 & Preganant 845 00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:44,755 almost 11 years ago. 846 00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:47,657 And, uh, as I've been saying, it has been really my pleasure 847 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,027 to be a part of this and to watch her and her family 848 00:33:50,129 --> 00:33:51,261 and her evolution 849 00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:53,630 and her willingness to talk about her struggles. 850 00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:56,033 I'm getting emotional. I've not played the video yet. 851 00:33:56,135 --> 00:33:59,970 So let's look back at some of the conversations that we've had 852 00:34:00,072 --> 00:34:02,806 right here at the Teen Mom 2 reunions. 853 00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:05,642 Not all of them were easy or fun, 854 00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:08,111 but I think they did all contribute to this evolution 855 00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,981 that we've seen of Chelsea into who she is today. 856 00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:12,115 Take a look. 857 00:34:12,217 --> 00:34:14,851 - ♪ 858 00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:16,920 ♪ Pick me up, let's go out ♪ 859 00:34:17,022 --> 00:34:18,655 ♪ We can keep moving ♪ 860 00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:20,824 ♪ Lift me up, don't slow down ♪ 861 00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,326 ♪ 862 00:34:23,429 --> 00:34:25,896 ♪ Keep me rollin' ♪ 863 00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:27,230 - You guys break up a lot. 864 00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:28,098 - Yeah. - Uh-huh. 865 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,099 - In the last 30 days, 866 00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:30,500 how many times have you broken up? 867 00:34:30,602 --> 00:34:32,502 - In the last 30 days? - Twenty-nine. 868 00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:34,538 - All you see is the bad. And you-- 869 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,872 - Within three weeks ago, 870 00:34:35,974 --> 00:34:37,874 you guys were broke up and had a huge fight. 871 00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:39,676 - ADAM: So? We still fight. 872 00:34:39,778 --> 00:34:41,578 You're talking out of your ass right now. 873 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,046 - All right, well, let's say that-- 874 00:34:43,148 --> 00:34:45,382 - But nobody thinks they should stay together. 875 00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:47,417 What are you thinking, Chelsea? 876 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,087 - I just don't like being in the middle. 877 00:34:50,189 --> 00:34:52,422 - Chelsea, tell us what's, uh-- what Aubree's up to these days. 878 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:54,458 What's the latest on her? - She is hilarious. 879 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,027 Like, I might just think this 'cause she's my kid, but she's, 880 00:34:57,129 --> 00:34:58,728 like, the funniest little girl. 881 00:34:58,831 --> 00:35:00,897 She loves doing her hair and her makeup. 882 00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:02,466 She's just so girly. 883 00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:03,800 I don't know where she gets it. 884 00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:05,235 - [laughter] 885 00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:08,338 - I feel like I'm doing so much for Aubree. 886 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,074 And...I didn't get the family. 887 00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:16,613 So it's just gonna be frustrating when I'm alone 888 00:35:16,715 --> 00:35:19,583 and he has family. 889 00:35:19,685 --> 00:35:23,553 - All we focus on is what I have done wrong and all that. 890 00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:26,256 And all you guys focus on with her is what she's done right. 891 00:35:26,358 --> 00:35:27,524 Don't call me a bad father. 892 00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:30,093 That pisses me off, 'cause I know I'm not. 893 00:35:30,195 --> 00:35:32,596 And I don't--I don't have to prove anything to anybody. 894 00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:34,764 I don't owe anything to anybody besides my kids. 895 00:35:34,867 --> 00:35:36,199 - What do you think's going on with him? 896 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:37,434 What's up [unintelligible]? 897 00:35:37,536 --> 00:35:39,035 - I think he's just an ass[bleep]. 898 00:35:39,138 --> 00:35:41,037 I mean, I've heard a lot of things. 899 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:43,406 I've heard drug use by multiple people, 900 00:35:43,509 --> 00:35:45,842 which I would not be surprised. 901 00:35:45,944 --> 00:35:49,946 A narcissist, you know, sociopath, everything. 902 00:35:50,048 --> 00:35:51,848 - Have you been reading up on that? 903 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:54,918 - CHELSEA: I have been. For a long time. 904 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:56,686 I am just old fashioned. 905 00:35:56,788 --> 00:35:59,456 Like, I wanted to be a wife and I wanted to be a mom, you know? 906 00:35:59,558 --> 00:36:02,459 I wanted to have a family that was happy, you know, 907 00:36:02,561 --> 00:36:05,729 have a good, healthy relationship. 908 00:36:05,831 --> 00:36:07,097 - DR. DREW: How did you meet Cole? 909 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,432 - At a gas station. - DR. DREW: What? 910 00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:11,034 - Well, we were pumping gas. 911 00:36:11,136 --> 00:36:12,669 - Well, that's what people do at gas stations. 912 00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:14,237 - And I saw him. 913 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:17,340 And we, like, made eye contact, and it was really awkward. 914 00:36:17,442 --> 00:36:19,276 I look forward to getting married, 915 00:36:19,378 --> 00:36:21,811 especially to someone like this guy. 916 00:36:21,914 --> 00:36:23,914 - Whew. - That was good. 917 00:36:24,016 --> 00:36:25,415 - DR. DREW: What makes Cole a great husband? 918 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:28,185 - I don't deserve someone like that. 919 00:36:28,287 --> 00:36:31,121 - You don't deserve him? - He's just so good and sweet. 920 00:36:31,223 --> 00:36:33,056 He's patient. 921 00:36:33,158 --> 00:36:34,658 And just--he's a good guy. 922 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,228 This is definitely where I always wanted to be. 923 00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:41,932 I always wanted to be happily married to someone great. 924 00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:45,001 I truly can look you guys in the eye and say 925 00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:47,103 not one bad thing about him. 926 00:36:47,206 --> 00:36:48,471 - Oh! - AUDIENCE: Aw! 927 00:36:48,574 --> 00:36:49,773 - [unintelligible] 928 00:36:50,909 --> 00:36:54,511 I truly feel like this year, 929 00:36:54,613 --> 00:36:59,683 I have been through a period of growth as a person, 930 00:36:59,785 --> 00:37:03,320 you know, mentally, in a lot of different ways. 931 00:37:03,422 --> 00:37:07,357 We want one more kid in a little while. 932 00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:08,858 - [unintelligible] 933 00:37:08,961 --> 00:37:12,596 - ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ 934 00:37:12,698 --> 00:37:14,364 ♪ Hey, hey ♪ 935 00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:16,766 ♪ Today is the day ♪ 936 00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:18,468 - See, he's got a big bite on his cheek, though. 937 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:19,502 - That's from Aubree. 938 00:37:19,605 --> 00:37:20,637 - I bite you. 939 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,906 - I bite you. 940 00:37:23,008 --> 00:37:24,107 - ♪ Today is the day ♪ 941 00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:26,409 - AUDIENCE: [laughter] 942 00:37:26,511 --> 00:37:29,479 [applause] 943 00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:33,383 - ♪ Who needs tomorrow when we got today? ♪ 944 00:37:33,485 --> 00:37:38,421 ♪ Who needs tomorrow when we got today? ♪♪ 945 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:43,960 - [applause] 946 00:37:44,062 --> 00:37:46,763 - I feel like-- - Oh my gosh. 947 00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:48,331 That was so... 948 00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:49,699 - Come on. 949 00:37:49,801 --> 00:37:51,034 Right? 950 00:37:51,136 --> 00:37:53,103 Come on! 951 00:37:53,205 --> 00:37:56,773 - That was just so emotional, seeing the ups, the downs. 952 00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:02,412 And also, can we just talk about your hair, the evolution of it? 953 00:38:02,514 --> 00:38:04,214 - No, we cannot talk about it. 954 00:38:04,316 --> 00:38:07,317 - NESSA: Chelsea, I don't want this to be goodbye. 955 00:38:07,419 --> 00:38:09,486 Now, with both of you watching that back, 956 00:38:09,588 --> 00:38:12,522 what stood out to each of you? 957 00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:14,457 - Um, you first. 958 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,359 - Cole, go ahead. 959 00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:19,696 - Just knowing she went through that thinking-- 960 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,898 thinking those things about herself, you know? 961 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,900 Like, you know... 962 00:38:24,002 --> 00:38:28,305 If she ever once thought wasn't good enough or anything, 963 00:38:28,407 --> 00:38:32,309 just mind-blowing because she's beyond...ugh, can't talk. 964 00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:34,511 [laughs] - We're a mess. 965 00:38:34,613 --> 00:38:37,047 - She's beyond--she's beyond good enough for anyone. 966 00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:41,384 And I'm...truly grateful for her. 967 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:44,220 And, you know... 968 00:38:44,323 --> 00:38:45,789 - It's 'cause you liked my blonde hair? 969 00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:48,591 - I loved it. - [laughter] 970 00:38:48,694 --> 00:38:51,394 - NESSA: Chelsea, what would you tell 17-year-old 971 00:38:51,496 --> 00:38:53,196 with the blonde hair? 972 00:38:53,298 --> 00:38:57,000 You know, just some advice you would share with her now. 973 00:38:57,102 --> 00:39:00,370 - I would just say... 974 00:39:00,472 --> 00:39:05,709 that you are good enough and gonna be okay. 975 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:10,780 And just keep [bleep] going, 'cause it's gonna be amazing! 976 00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:15,151 - Well, since this is your last reunion, um, again, 977 00:39:15,253 --> 00:39:17,087 I just wanna thank you for sharing your life with us-- 978 00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:20,023 both of you, I mean, but particularly Chelsea. 979 00:39:20,125 --> 00:39:23,626 I feel really connected to the experience you had. 980 00:39:23,729 --> 00:39:25,495 And I know a lot of other people do. 981 00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:29,799 We wish you both and your entire family just the best. 982 00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:31,868 - Thank you. - NESSA: We're gonna miss you. 983 00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:36,439 - And thank you so much for all your advice and, um, 984 00:39:36,541 --> 00:39:39,642 everything that we've been able to talk about. 985 00:39:39,745 --> 00:39:43,480 Like, I know it helped me throughout these years, um, 986 00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:47,517 your hard truths and, um, everything. 987 00:39:47,619 --> 00:39:48,785 So thank you, guys. 988 00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:52,122 - And the opportunity to do that, because of you, 989 00:39:52,224 --> 00:39:53,289 helped others. 990 00:39:53,392 --> 00:39:55,592 - NESSA: We are gonna miss you guys so much. 991 00:39:55,694 --> 00:39:58,094 - I'm gonna miss you guys. 992 00:39:58,196 --> 00:39:59,262 - NESSA: And with that being said, 993 00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:02,465 we've reached the end of the Teen Mom 2 Reunion. 994 00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:05,969 Thanks to the entire cast for another unforgettable season. 995 00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:08,004 And thanks also to the crew for working through 996 00:40:08,106 --> 00:40:10,006 such difficult conditions. 997 00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:11,107 - DR. DREW: And one final note. 998 00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:13,076 Young people are using contraception 999 00:40:13,178 --> 00:40:15,779 more and more frequently and more consistently. 1000 00:40:15,881 --> 00:40:17,447 And that's led to a 70% drop 1001 00:40:17,549 --> 00:40:20,550 in teen pregnancy since the early '90s. 1002 00:40:20,652 --> 00:40:23,086 Birth control gives you the power to decide your future. 1003 00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:26,256 Check out all the methods at Bedsider.org. 1004 00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,491 For Nessa and myself, we thank you so much for watching, 1005 00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:31,227 and we will see you again next season. 1006 00:40:31,329 --> 00:40:34,197 - [applause] 1007 00:40:34,299 --> 00:40:35,298 - NESSA: Aww! 1008 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:39,602 - ♪ We on fire, what do you desire? ♪ 1009 00:40:39,704 --> 00:40:42,572 ♪ We can come alive, we can go a little higher ♪ 1010 00:40:42,674 --> 00:40:52,148 ♪ 1011 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:55,385 ♪ We can go... go a little higher ♪ 1012 00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:57,654 ♪ 1013 00:40:57,756 --> 00:40:58,922 ♪ Higher ♪