- Previously on the "Teen Mom 2" reunion...
Ashley--
- I'ma let y'all talk without me
'cause I don't wanna be in none of that [bleep].
[dramatic music]
- I may or may not be in a relationship right now.
- Wait! - So--
- What?
- Why am I doing this?
This is so crazy.
- I wasn't open to more kids,
but I'm now open to more kids.
- Tonight we have a surprise for the entire cast
and the audience.
[all gasp]
- Oh, my God. [cheering]
- I guess you were wearing Chris' shirt.
- Me and him literally have the same shirt.
- The crazy thing is, is I forgot I gave her that shirt.
- Is that your business?
I don't think so.
Not Kail's business either.
She can kiss my ass.
- Kail, it actually, like, hurts my heart to hear this.
I am so sorry.
I wish I'd known.
[upbeat music]
[cheers and applause]
Welcome to part two of the "Teen Mom 2" reunion.
I'm your host, Dr. Drew, and my cohost Nessa
will be joining me in a little bit.
But for now, I'm sitting here with Leah,
Jaylan, Ashley, Bar, Briana, Devoin, and Jade.
[cheers and applause]
And all of them recently took part
in the "Teen Mom Family Reunion,"
and we wanted to get your thoughts on what happened
down in San Diego.
So, Jade, you first.
- For me, it was, like, life-changing.
I think that separation from everything at home
and meeting other people, getting to know 'em
it was--it was--it was awesome.
- Leah.
- I mean, I had no idea
what we were walking into
at the "Teen Mom Family Reunion."
But going there, I mean, I think it was a lot of fun.
The activities were fun.
Coach Bryant really helped me open up more
and not be so guarded.
- You were just starting to feel emotions again.
- Yeah. - And Jaylan,
really, that was your first experience--
I guess you'd been in front of the cameras a little bit,
but this was a little bit different environment.
- Yeah, that was my first time actually meeting everybody
in person, so yeah. - Got it.
And this is your first time in, uh, this thing
we call the reunion show.
How is that going for you so far?
How you feel? - Well, I mean, it's...
it is everything I heard it would be.
So-- [laughter]
[indistinct]
I guess I gotta be ready for it.
I'm ready, so let's do it. Yeah.
- Ashley. - I had a good experience.
I think I learned a lot of things
I didn't expect to really learn from Coach B.
- Briana. - I had a blast.
The best experience I've had thus far
with "Teen Mom." - Oh, good for you.
And Bar, I noticed you were really bonding
with the other dads.
- Yeah. It was cool. - Good, right?
- Yeah, that's always how it work, though.
The dads always do that. [laughs]
- Well, we have a surprise for the entire cast
and the audience.
Come on out, Coach B.
[all gasp] - Oh, [bleep]!
- Oh, my God!
[cheers and applause]
- Hi. How are you?
- It's good to see you.
- Welcome, Coach B.
We appreciate so much you being here.
And it's a chance to check in with everybody
since you last saw them, so have at it.
- Yeah, obviously, we've, uh, had a lot of breakthroughs
and shared a lot of moments,
and Jade, I wanna start with you.
If you can kinda just tell me a little bit of, like,
what you took from the reunion and what you've implemented.
- Well, one thing I can say,
make sure you process before you produce.
I feel like I'm thinking about a million things all the time,
so the moment someone says something,
in my head, the first thing that pops up
probably isn't, like, the proper thing
in the moment because in that moment,
I know that I might say something
or act a certain way
where I'm like, uh, I'm probably not gonna be
comfortable with that, so how 'bout I go home.
Lemme sleep on that.
- That was one of our tools--
- 'Cause I'm more of a reactor,
so I think it's me learning to not just react.
- Yeah. - You know?
- Good for you. Thank you, Jade.
Leah and Jaylan, bring me up to speed
just a little bit on how your emotions now
are healthier and what that relationship is like
for yourself.
- I mean, I think when it comes up,
like, I definitely have conversations with myself.
Like, I'm not-- I have no reason to be afraid.
- Mm. - And being free, being open.
- Mm. - It's allowed him
to move differently too, I think.
- Yeah, I mean, I think for me, it just--
I just understood to be patient with her
and just, you know, reassure her that I am here.
And, uh, you know, just to be patient.
- So finally, Ashley and Bar.
I know that we talked a lot about the roles, right,
and how his parent issues was married
to your need to control and be mama bear.
And so your dysfunctions and your concerns
actually married each other.
So I just wanna know,
have those roles shifted a little bit?
- I think it's hard. - Of course.
- Because obviously, like already said,
our traumas marry.
Um, and I think part of my issue is knowing
that he has trauma and wanting to protect him from that.
And on the other hand of that, I have my own issue
with wanting things to go left, right, up, down.
And so I think that I'm trying this new thing
where I'm like, you know what?
If it doesn't work out for you, I'm sorry, boo.
This is on--this is on you. - There you go.
- And my ultimate goal is not to get him
to be who I want him to be.
It's for him to be passionate and love what he wants.
And in order for me to let that grow,
I need to be quiet.
So thanks, Coach B. - [laughs]
- I wanna thank you for helping them.
They seem happier and, more importantly,
happier with one another.
Was there something that stuck out?
Was there a moment that really stays with you?
- It wasn't a moment.
I think for everyone,
we connected at the heart space.
And I always say, you connect at the mind space.
When the memory goes, there you go.
But if you connect at the heart space,
you have a friend for life.
And, uh, as much as they keep saying I helped them
and I gave them all these tools--
- [laughs] - I was very moved
by how they all allowed me to see their heart.
And I learned so much from each of them,
and I added to my toolbox,
so I wanna be able
to say thank you to them in return as well.
- Aww. both: Love you.
- [laughs] - All the time.
- To that, Coach B will be back,
so don't go away.
Up next, we'll meet Kail's new boyfriend.
[applause]
♪ ♪
- I may or may not be
in a relationship right now.
- Tell him to come downstairs.
- Why am I doing this?
This is so crazy. - Hi.
- What's--what's your name? Kail won't tell us.
[upbeat music]
[cheers and applause]
- Welcome back to the "Teen Mom 2" reunion.
We're back with Kail. [cheers]
In part one, you told us you were seeing someone.
We'd love him to come in and sit down.
We'd like to talk to him. - Can we say hi to him?
- [laughs] - Or...
please.
- Tell him to come downstairs.
- Is he here? - [laughs]
- Why am I doing this?
This is so crazy.
- Why am I nervous? - I know--
- I'm nervous right now. - Looking around the corner.
- What's going on? - Mom.
- Hey, hey. - Wait, hold on.
Can we-- - Squat down.
- Hi. - What's--what's your name?
Kail won't tell us.
- No, no, no, no, no. Don't say your name.
Don't you dare.
- Nice to meet you nonetheless.
- Nice to meet you.
- You're making Kail very happy,
and we thank you for that.
- No problem.
- Is she making you happy as well?
- Yes. - Yeah?
- Very. - How did you guys meet?
- Don't tell them.
- Kail, he's a-- - [laughs]
- Don't--don't you listen to her.
[laughs] - And that is my cue
to go back to work.
- Bye. - Bye.
- All right, Kail.
Let's talk about you and Briana.
- I wish I had her address.
So I could send her a gift.
I'd [bleep] buy her a treadmill.
Instead of running your mouth, run some [bleep] miles.
- What went through your mind when you received the treadmill
that Briana had sent you?
- I mean, at the end of the day,
I think it's another form of projection.
You have to distract people from your own insecurities
and from your own self-hate.
And "Kail's big, Kail's overweight,
Kail's this, Kail's that,"
it distracts her
from how she feels about herself.
- Is it fat-shaming?
Is that what she's trying to do?
- Absolutely.
- How did you feel about Chris asking Briana
to be a guest on his podcast?
- I don't think I was upset.
I think it's just another...
you know, the people-- your enemies can't betray you.
The people that you have kids with and the people
that you've been in a relationship with
can betray you, and so, you know,
that was just another thing that he did
that was a form of betrayal, in my opinion.
- And fans noticed that you had unfollowed Leah.
- I unfollowed every single person I was following.
[laughs] I even unfollowed you, Nessa.
- [laughs] - And, um,
a couple weeks ago, it was just like,
I was having a meltdown and unfollowed everyone.
- There's no issues between you and Leah.
Is that correct? - As far as I'm aware,
there are no issues between me and Leah.
- Okay.
Now, Javi was in the mix,
obviously, we've been discussing.
But he and Vee were chatting a bit.
And Vee told him that your miscarriage with Javi
might not have been his.
What was your reaction to that?
- That was a baby that Javi and I tried for,
so I don't know why she said that,
but I think the biggest takeaway for me
is that I have done things in my life
that I'm not proud of, and, you know,
if I want other people to forgive me for things,
then I can't be a hypocrite and turn around
and not forgive her, and, you know,
her keeping it a secret for four years
and starting a podcast with me,
that has been the hardest...
- Ooh, boy. - Part of it.
- Yeah, the deception - Right, for sure.
- Um, I also never got
to formally apologize to Jenelle.
I don't think it was fair for me to have blamed her
for leaking my pregnancy news.
I think when she tweeted me,
she genuinely thought that the news was out.
I couldn't have ever guessed that it was Vee and Javi.
Um, I did post it on my Instagram
just knowing that I publicly blamed her
for this, so I needed to also publicly apologize.
- I'm so glad you did this.
All right, Kail, on Instagram
you revealed that you've been diagnosed with depression.
Do you wanna talk any more about that
and about what you've done to take care of yourself?
- Um, I see my therapist twice a week.
Right now, I think minimizing my communications with Javi
is the number one thing
that I need to stay consistent with
because he seems to be a huge trigger for me.
- Right, and of course parenting itself
is extremely stressful,
and then dealing with three dads
with different, you know, levels of commitment.
I mean, my God, that, to me, just sounds overwhelming,
and overwhelming can feel depressing.
- I have a question: have you always been going to therapy,
or was it something that led you to want to go
seeing your therapist twice a week?
- In October of 2019,
someone almost took my life, and that was--
- Oh, my gosh. - You know, the pivotal moment
in my life where I was like, I need help.
And so I've been in therapy since then.
- I didn't--don't think I knew about this traumatic event.
Can you talk to us about it?
Was it, like, a domestic abuse situation?
Was it just a random act of violence?
Was it--I mean, was it somebody you knew?
- Um, Chris almost killed me in October of 2019.
With dom--by domestic violence. - Oh, my.
Okay.
Kail, can I just say,
it actually, like, hurts my heart to hear this.
I--you know, we've been with you a long time,
I am so sorry. I wish I'd known.
No one would know this if you didn't share it.
I am so heartbroken for you.
I'm really sorry. - Yeah.
- It's very, very painful to hear you say this,
and, I mean, my goodness.
I'm so glad you're in treatment.
- I just haven't figured out the right time or way
to, you know, tell my whole story.
- No one knew you were going through this.
- I don't think it's something
that people just openly talk about.
I fully acknowledge that I, you know--
I pushed Javi in 2012,
so I don't get to cry domestic violence victim
because I also pushed my ex-husband,
so it makes me a hypocrite.
- Mm, no.
No, they are two separate phenomenon.
And as many things in mental health,
people become flip sides of the same coin:
victim, victimizer.
Both roles go back and forth
in all these things we're talking about.
So--and they're different.
Not okay. - Mm-hmm.
- But you were a victim of domestic violence.
Has--is this something you've shared anywhere publicly?
- No.
I mean, people know that something happened
that changed my life, but I've never--
I've never told the story.
I've never talked about it.
I've never gone into detail.
- And then Chris is now more visible in the series.
Should he be talking about...
his perspective on all this?
- It's not that I don't want y'all to question him.
I just--I think that he knows what he did.
It is what it is.
- I really appreciate you being open today, Kail.
- Yeah, I do too.
You've refined things a little more today.
I really thought abandonment... - Right.
- Was a key problem for you, but betrayal,
betrayal is really the real writ large phenomenon
in your life right now.
- Yeah, I would agree with that.
- And I hope, you know-- and both Nessa and I hope
this is not the end of your journey.
Do you wanna stay on the show?
- Not necessarily, no.
I think that I need to move on.
I need to do my own thing. - Hmm.
I'm not gonna say goodbye to her today, am I?
I'm not gonna say--
- I don't know. I feel like we should.
- Really? - Whoa.
- Yeah. - This is like
a breakup right now.
- I think this needs to be my farewell.
- I wasn't ready for this, Kail.
- I think I'm ready.
I think that we just should part ways.
I think this should be the end.
- You will be a huge loss
'cause I have deep affection for you.
And, you know, you helped, uh,
turn the tide of teen pregnancy in this country.
You helped do that. - I hope so.
I hope I had a small part in that.
- Yep, you did.
- Awesome. Well, thank you, guys.
- Thank you, Kail, and we appreciate you.
Please say hi to the kids. - I will.
- Up next, we dive into Briana's story.
In the meantime, we'll see if Chris would like to join us.
[applause]
- Oh, my, I really felt a lot
of intense emotion--
- That was very unexpected.
- Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
- That's sad, man.
- Just because I had relations
with someone's ex-husband doesn't mean
I wanna do that every single time.
I think she needs to come up with a better way
to "try to drag me down."
- ♪ I got what you want ♪
♪ I got what you like ♪
- We're back with the "Teen Mom 2" reunion,
and it's time to talk to Briana.
[cheers and applause]
Now, Briana dealt with more drama this season
than any other mom:
an engagement, a breakup, a lawsuit,
a health scare for her younger child,
and inconsistency from both her kids' fathers.
Let's refresh our memories
of all that Briana went through.
[upbeat music]
- Sure, go for it.
Say a bad word, Stella. - Oh, [bleep].
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, [bleep].
- [laughing] Stella. Okay, that's it.
No more. - [laughs]
- Kail's baby daddy, Chris,
wants to invite me on his podcast.
- Did you tell Javi that you were gonna do this?
- The podcast? - Mm-hmm.
- What did he say?
- What can he say?
- What happened to you and Javi?
- Going to do a podcast with Chris.
The article says MTV wasn't there.
He thought I lied to him about it.
I don't think I want to talk to him ever again.
Oh, my God. - Don't cry, Bri.
- Bri.
- I am going through a lawsuit right now with Kail.
I'm [bleep] annoyed.
She's saying that I [bleep] Chris.
Like, damn, bitch,
why are you so worried about my vagina?
- Is Devoin coming? On the way?
- I don't know, he asked me if he could take Nova,
but she said no, so...
I think Nova was definitely expecting Devoin.
He disappointed her.
- I love Nova. - I know.
- I'm definitely-- can do a lot more for her now.
- Is that a commitment? - It's a promise.
- So they're telling me that her heart
is beating really fast.
She has to wear a heart monitor.
Luis said he was gonna come to the appointment,
and he did not [bleep] show.
Such a nice thing we did here.
I really wanted the girls to experience something
where all of us could be under the same household
and just have a good time, and I think we did just that.
[applause]
- What do you remember most from this season?
- Oh, God, it was a-- it's a blur.
- First thing that comes to mind, though.
- There was a lot. I dealt with a lot.
Every day was something new.
Um, but I'm here today and I feel better,
so that's a positive.
- So people were surprised to see you and Chris together.
So what motivated you to wanna be on his podcast?
- Um, he just asked me,
and I thought it was a good idea,
and I just went for it.
- And is it correct that he helped you out
with an affidavit or a deposition or something?
Or was it helpful?
- My lawyer asked him questions under oath
and he answered them, and that's that.
- So I wanted to clear some things
that, you know,
we've seen or have heard... - Yeah.
- That you and Chris might be intimate,
have been intimate.
- That story's so old.
Just because I had relations with someone's ex-husband
doesn't mean I wanna do that every single time.
I think that's annoying. I think that's played out.
I think she needs to come up with a better...
a better way to "try to drag me down"
because that's not gonna get to me.
- I know the "Teen Mom" world are gonna bug--
get mad at us if we don't follow that question
with yes or no?
Because you didn't really say yes or no.
- Yes or no to what?
If I [bleep] Chris? No. - No?
- But why does that even matter?
Why do you guys care?
Like, is that your business? I don't think so.
I don't think it's anybody's business.
Not Kail's business either.
Chris is not her property.
So even if I did want to [bleep] Chris,
who the [bleep] cares?
- Well, I just know that-- - Well, I think the fans--
- [laughs] - It was the fans who care.
Wait, hold on. - Yeah, it's not--
and they come on--
they get on us for things we don't ask.
- Okay. I get that.
It's your job.
- Do you understand, though,
your fans, right-- - Yeah.
- You know, people had pointed out
that I guess you were wearing Chris' shirt
or something like that on IG.
Tell us--well, tell them.
- First of all,
I have a lot of graphic tees, number one.
Number two, there's tons of "Goosebumps" shirt
that I have.
Me and him literally have the same shirt.
Me and him could sit down right here with each other
and have the same shirt on, and that's just that.
- They follow you. They like you.
They wanna know. - I guess.
I'm trying to be as transparent and authentic as possible,
so bring it on, I guess.
- Do you think the situation can ever get cleared up?
- With who? - With you, Kail, even Javi.
Just-- - I don't have no problems
with anybody.
I don't think it'll ever get cleared up.
I don't care to fix it with her.
She doesn't affect my day-to-day life.
So probably not.
She can kiss my ass.
- So I wanna talk about your ex, Javi.
Did you wanna be engaged to him?
- I did see somewhat of a future with him.
But I think it happened too fast.
And he just wasn't the guy for me.
I feel like once I accepted that ring,
he viewed me as an object and not as a wife.
And then it just turned me off.
- Have you started dating since the breakup?
- No, but I want to.
I've been celibate for nine, ten months.
I'm ready to [bleep].
[laughter]
But I do wanna date. I wanna, like--
I downloaded a dating app.
Um, so yeah, I'm trying to get out there.
- The dads are coming up soon, uh, out here with us.
How has it been going with Devoin?
- Better. Better.
- And Luis has been stepping up a little bit
with Stella, right?
Is that not consistently so?
- Um, again, like, last week, yes.
Today...
me as a mother, I wish there was more.
I wish I could get more out of Luis and Devoin
for these girls. - Got it.
Up next, something I never thought would happen
on one of these reunions: we're speaking to Chris.
[applause]
[percussive music]
I wanted to get some clarity behind some rumors
that you and Briana were more than just friends.
Any truth to that?
- Uh...
[upbeat music]
[cheers and applause]
- After our discussion with Kail,
we decided to have Chris on the show
to get his perspective, so please welcome Chris.
[applause] - How y'all doing?
- Hey, it was nice to see you on camera this season.
How has the filming experience been for you?
- I mean, the good, I guess, is, I got to kinda share
a little bit about me, but the bad is, um,
I felt like I was being silenced.
Like, you know, people had a little temper tantrum,
and ever since then, um, I ain't heard from nobody.
Like, I didn't even know y'all had a reunion going on.
- Well, I hope during this reunion
with Dr. Drew and myself
that you're able to fully express yourself
however way you want to.
I mean, that's the reason why we do this reunion.
I guess for me, I'm just trying to get more clarity.
What caused the demise?
- Between the Briana thing and me having a new baby,
that's what it was.
I'ma tell y'all this,
before all this happened, we was...us.
All right, I'm just gonna put it like that.
We was hanging out with each other,
doing all that stuff.
And once this stuff broke,
you know, it was just-- it was--you know,
I am the worst person in the world.
- I wanna ask a couple questions about Briana.
And what made you want to get her for your podcast?
- It was just to share experiences.
It wasn't to be, like, petty or anything, like--
- Right. - It's not like I'm trying
to purposely hurt this girl.
- What made you agree to give a deposition
on Briana's behalf?
- This whole thing put me in a tough spot
because it was like I had to choose sides.
They was trying to basically make me appear in court,
and I ain't even wanna do that, so I just told her, like,
you know, I said what I said.
You know, like, I told her the story.
There's nothing to hide, you know,
so that was basically how I had it.
Briana, I'm not saying, like, it's all her fault.
But she did, you know, talk about certain things,
like, that really wasn't her business,
but it is what it is.
- I wanted to get some clarity behind some rumors
that you and Briana were more than just friends.
Any truth to that?
- Nah, me and Bri, we was just cool.
Like, we hung out, don't get it wrong,
but, like, it was just friends.
I was very respectful with that, you know?
- Kail specifically alluded to the fact
that you two had slept together.
So do you wanna clarify what actually happened?
- Kail say a lot of stuff.
That don't mean it's true.
- What about someone on social media
pointing out that Briana came home wearing the same shirt
that you wore during the podcast?
- All right. [laughs]
That--I gave her my shirt.
She had, like, a beater on that day,
and she was like, "I'm cold," and I was like, "Here."
I mean, she asked me for my shirt,
and I was like, "Here," and that was it.
Nothing more, nothing less. - And so she didn't have
anything else packed with her?
- Yeah, she did have stuff packed,
but, like, I ain't think nothing of it.
You know, it was just, like, one of those things
like, all right, here, and the crazy thing is,
is I forgot I gave her that shirt
'cause I was looking for it.
- Congrats on the birth of Chris Jr.
How's he doing?
- Oh, he good. He in there taking a nap.
He not really Junior, per se.
His real name--his first name-- is Trew.
I just call him CJ 'cause, you know.
- Oh, okay.
And are you still with Trew's mom?
- Nah, like, I wasn't in a place to date.
You know, like, mentally, I wasn't.
- What are some things you wanna work on?
- I've been open about it. Like, I deal with depression.
You know, depression, anxiety, and things like that,
and, um, it really bothers me.
Like, you know, like, I could just wake up one day
and just be out of it.
- Have you been treated for some of these symptoms?
- So I put myself in therapy, you know,
when that incident happened,
so almost three years
I've been doing therapy.
It's kinda one of those, um--
I just wasn't happy with how things were.
- I hear it. - So, you know, I kinda--
- Yep.
So I wanna clear stuff up
that's been swirling around for a while.
And you mentioned that three years ago,
something happened that sent you to therapy.
- Mm-hmm. - There have been allegations
of abuse between you two.
Can you clarify that for me?
- We both did some.
It's--it's--it's faults on both sides.
Whatever's been said about me from her
can literally be said about them, so it's more like
I ain't about to sit here and tell y'all
exactly what this-- what's happened,
But it's been abuse on both sides.
- Did you ever threaten her with violence
or injure Kail?
- Injure? No. - No.
- She's making it seem like I really beat her.
That's the--that's the story going around
like I actually beat this girl.
I never beat her.
- Did you threaten her? - What I did--I--
did I threaten her?
I might've said some things out of anger.
I don't necessarily know exactly what I said,
but I said some-- I'm not gonna stand here
and act like I'm innocent.
I did--I done things.
And I--and I served for it.
You know, like, I got handed my punishment.
I'm not 'bout to let y'all keep punishing me
for something I did three, four years ago.
- No, that's not my intention. Trust me.
- No, no, no. Not you. Not you.
I'm just saying, you know, I'm saying in general,
you know, that's what people do.
They use my past as a way
to constantly try to, you know--
I'm honest with myself.
I'm, like, at a-- at a different place.
Like I said, I'm not angry no more.
I'm not--I'm not mad.
I'm not none of that.
You know, it's not-- and I wish the best,
you know, for everybody.
Um, as far as Kail,
like, I don't have no issues with this girl.
Like, I genuinely wanna get along.
Our kids deserve it. It's been too long.
- She had said she was very much in love with you.
Were you in love with her?
- Yeah, I was in love with that girl.
That's why I chose to stay quiet for so long.
'Cause it's like, yo, that was really my--
that was my dawg, like, you feel me?
So for all this to be going down,
it kinda--it do suck.
And I'm not gonna say--
like, yeah, we can say we toxic now.
But we great when we get along.
- We're about to wrap up, Chris, but any final thoughts?
- My kids are probably the only reason why I'm out here today,
especially when I'm dealing with depression and all that.
My kids, like, they keep me here.
Like, sane. They keep me, like, happy.
- Well, Chris, thank you so much
for talking with us today,
and I hope everybody's able
to work their differences out.
- Coming up next, we'll be joined by Ashley and Bar
and Ashley's mom, Tea, after the break.
[applause]
When you started talking about divorce,
that--that broke my heart a little bit.
- Believe me when I say,
if I said it, I had just cause to say it.
[applause]
[upbeat music]
- And we're back.
We've been talking with Ashley and Bar,
and we are joined now by Ashley's mom, Tea.
Hi, Tea. Welcome.
- [laughs] [cheers and applause]
- Talk to us--how do you think they're doing as parents?
- Um, I think they're doing great as parents.
I'm really excited about watching them
mother and father Holly.
I think they are doing better than I did for sure.
- [laughs] - So that's a plus right there.
- How's your relationship with Shen these days?
- [sighs]
Why you ask that? [both laugh]
- Well, you know, we've seen the past,
but now it's the present.
- I think our relationship is better.
I like, uh, where we're headed.
As time goes on,
I think me and Shen'll be just fine
as I always knew we was.
But, you know, sometimes you just gotta let things
run its course because when everybody is trying
to make something be-- and it's just not time.
And I think now is the season, now is the time for me and Shen
to explore whatever it is for us
without anybody's involvement.
Just her and I. - For sure.
- And Tea, you officiated at the wedding?
- I did. - How was that experience?
- Do we really even have to mention it?
I was--
- There wasn't a wedding. - I was not happy.
Don't look at me like that, Bar.
- [laughs]
- Don't even look at me like that.
I didn't want it to happen like that, you know?
But they were gonna do it anyway.
And so why not it be me?
Um, but I would've wanted
for them to have the big fairy tale thing
and, you know, I think hopefully
we can still see that.
- Tea, there--when you started talking about divorce,
that--that broke my heart a little bit.
- It's no secret. I never wanted you with Bar.
Girl, you better divorce him.
- You still feel that way?
- Um, believe me when I say,
if I said it, I had just cause to say it.
Um, and so--but we'll work out our family things.
You guys don't see everything.
Now, do I feel like that in general?
No, because I love Bar.
- Ashley, was she right
to feel that way at that moment?
- Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I'm gonna do what I want to do because I'm a grown woman.
I respect my mom's opinion because my mom has lived
a thousand more lives than me.
- Girl, don't lie.
- Not--not your age! [laughter]
- Your face. You hear that [bleep]?
- I'm talking about-- - Don't put that on me.
- I'm talking about your--
you know, the stuff that you've been through.
- Trying to make me older than I need to be.
- The knowledge that she has to share
really is probably worth a thousand lives.
- Yeah. - You know what I'm saying?
So I appreciate what she says.
I listen to what she says, and it's no hard feelings
because she's my mama.
And another thing that people don't understand is,
she's kinda like Bar's mom.
And so when Bar [bleep] up,
she's gonna cuss him out
and do everything that she would do to me
because she's our mom.
And so I don't take that--
- But ultimately, she's your mom.
And that's why divorce comes into it.
- That is true. - Yeah.
- But on the flip side of that,
if it was me [bleep] up and Bar calling her,
she would say, "Bar...
she ain't doing right."
- Leave her. - "You might need to make
a better decision"... - Leave her.
- "Than my daughter."
- Tea, you good with them together right now?
- My issue is, is that when they aren't getting along,
I don't wanna see it fall out all over the place.
I want them to be able to contain that
'cause it takes some steadiness to make it to 20 years.
- Well, I know, watching the journey,
it has been incredible,
especially the ending of this season.
- Mm. - You two really overcame.
I didn't know what was gonna happen.
- Me either. - From the start of the season.
- I didn't at all.
- I mean, you know, Ashley,
she was clear in what she wanted.
And she wasn't gonna lower-- - And I was on the same page
at that point. Like, we was like, we're done.
Like-- - And--and Bar,
you looked like you really understood...
- I did. - What she was saying.
So to see where you both are today, it's great.
It's really amazing.
- Thank you. - Great job. For sure.
Well, Ashley, Bar, and Tea, thank you so much
for being so open and candid with us today.
We gotta take a quick break, and we'll be right back.
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[cheers and applause]
- And we have another first-time guest
on a reunion show: Bar's mom, Shen.
[cheers and applause] - Oh, Jesus.
- So listen, um,
I got to know you a little bit backstage.
It is such a privilege to get to know you
and look you in the eye and find out who you are.
What do you want people to know about you?
- I--I don't--
I need a minute.
I-I-I need a minute.
- No, no, no, no, no, no, no-- - I can't.
- Shen, please. - I need a minute.
Where do I get out of here?
I need a minute. I need a minute.
Where's my kid?
I need a minute.
- Let's be clear.
I didn't do this 'cause I wanted to.
- I know you didn't. I know. - My kid begged me
for two weeks to do it.
I was against it. - I know. But I think--
- They were supposed to be here with me.
We've been good. I babysit.
They call me. We talk on the phone.
We've gone shopping, and now, today,
there's a problem for filming?
- One minute.
- Keep walking.
- Okay. - [indistinct]
[somber music]
- Are you okay? - I'm sorry.
I needed a minute. - Let me ask you something.
Did I say something to-- - No, you didn't.
- Okay. Are you cool? - I am.
- Okay. Come on. We wanna-- - This is so much deeper
than you could ever know. - You were alluding to that,
so I didn't wanna even ask about that.
- I am so sorry, you guys.
- Shh. No, no, no, no, no, no.
We're just glad you're back.
- You're so pretty. - [laughs]
- Thank you. Thank you.
You're fine. Take your time. - Okay.
- We're here for you. - Take. Cut.
Let's start again, guys. [both laugh]
- Happily.
I'm sorry you're anxious. I'm sorry you're uncomfortable.
- Well, I felt like everything was okay.
Everything's been fine.
And then all of a sudden, somebody pretended an argument
and my son left me here.
He's supposed to be here with me.
- He--he was. That was supposed to happen.
And you had said
that that happens once in a while.
- That happens all the time.
- That he abandons you or lets you down or--
- That he pretends
that there's drama when there's not.
- I noticed the effusive affection
and love you have for him when you guys are cool.
So it must be extra crazy-feeling and painful.
- I'll tell you, with me,
I came from a very tough background.
- What happened? - I was abused as a child.
I was doing my own laundry at seven.
I was raped, kidnapped, and molested
all before I was 18, so I turned into a nurturer.
And I feel like I was so overprotective
and loving to my children
that now, they're used to me being superwoman.
They think I can handle the hurt they cause.
Bar thinks that I can handle this.
And he doesn't understand,
nothing in this world will break me, Dr. Drew,
but my children.
- So I'm hearing that Bar may be willing to come out.
He's not been listening to this interview.
Are you cool with that?
- Yeah, I thought that was the plan
from the beginning.
- Well, me too. [both laugh]
But I--I--I-- - Which is why I felt betrayed.
Like, I'm out here alone.
- I think he's coming, and I'm delighted to see that.
So, Bar, if you're available, you're willing,
come on out here and join us.
[applause]
- I ain't even gonna lie--
I know I'm not supposed to say this.
They're gonna have to bleep it--
but your fine ass.
- [laughs] - Can I have a hug?
- Guess so, Mama. - 'Cause you sure didn't
speak to me this morning.
Can I borrow your jacket?
That's hella cute. - Yeah, you can have it
when we done. What y'all got going on?
What's up? - We have gotten to know
your mom, and what I have learned,
uh, is that you have a tremendous impact on her.
- I think it got something to do with--
we've been through a lot of stuff together.
- One of the thing people are gonna wonder is
why you weren't here and what made you come back out.
- The reason I wasn't here is because the reunions
are always very high-strung emotions and stuff like that.
- Yeah. Okay.
- So I just was trying to figure out
basically how to make the situation easier yesterday,
and I got frustrated in the process of trying
to do all that, so... - Okay.
- End result, me and her kinda ended up
in a little discrepancy, but it was just a miscommunication.
- Got it, and what you led you coming now out here?
- 'Cause I don't want my mama to be out here by herself.
I don't want her to feel like she out here alone.
That's shady.
Her first reunion and she gotta talk to y'all.
Y'all great people, but, like, you know, it's pressure.
- Yeah.
And Shen, and you and Tea are talking now,
so we can say-- - Yeah.
- And one of the things I'm taking away
is that we need--you wanna get all on the same page
all together all at once.
- Yeah. Why not? - And that's--
- Yeah, I mean, of course.
That's the ultimate goal at the end of all of it
is for it to be one family.
What my thing is, is the smoothness
or the way stuff is heading and how it's been happening,
you know, it's-- you can't rush it.
Every time I've tried to rush [bleep] in the past six years,
it's utterly failed completely.
People started talking on their own accord.
I didn't have nothing to do with it.
You gotta let time take its course.
- I understand. It was great getting
to know your mom. It really was.
- Right, y'all finally get to see her.
- She's great. [laughter]
So we'll be back with more "Teen Mom 2" reunion
right after the break.
[cheers and applause]
[upbeat music]
[cheers and applause]
[upbeat music]
- Welcome back.
We are talking to Briana,
and she's joined by Devoin
and, for the first time on the reunion stage,
Luis.
[applause]
Welcome to the show.
And how are you feeling so far?
The stage. Are we okay? - I'm a little, you know,
but it's all right. - A little--
The lights and everything-- - There's lots of lights...
- I'm fine. - And cameras.
- I'm okay.
- There are a few other things
that happened at "Family Reunion"
that we wanna touch on, so we brought back Coach B.
[cheering] And hopefully she can also
shed some insight on Briana and Luis' issues.
Please welcome back Coach B.
[cheers and applause]
- Hello.
Hello, guys. - Welcome.
- Hi. - Hello, hello. Thank you.
Um, so I just know that, uh, Luis--
- Hi. - We haven't seen you.
My first time.
- How you doing? - How you doing?
- Good. - I don't wanna
pick on you yet. - [laughs]
- If that's okay with you. - That's fine.
- But I do want to kinda talk about,
um, Devoin, you and Briana's communication.
- I'm so glad I got to see you today.
- [laughs] - 'Cause I was like, damn,
I gotta see her next season for "Family Reunion,"
and I can't go that long.
But, um, we were doing good.
After family therapy, everything was going well.
You know, I still want both of them to be consistent.
I still want them to help... - Yeah.
- As much as they can.
I still want all these things,
but I'm not, like, hounding on them.
I'm just more like, okay, they know
what I want from them
and they know what the girls need from them,
so hopefully it'll happen.
- And so that kinda leads me into, you know,
how you all, you know, plan to blend as a family.
What do you think that looks like?
What do you think co-parenting
with a blended family like you guys
looks like for you?
- I guess just communicating with each other
and being open to certain things.
- I heard you say your father's a truck driver.
What is your guys' relationship like when you were a kiddo?
- It's always been good.
- What's good? - Uh, open.
He's always been there.
- What are some of the things he's done that
maybe you would've done different?
- If I'm being real, I would say
that I would be more like him.
- And what is being more like him?
What does that look like? - Always present.
Always talking. Always communicating.
Always letting me know that he's there.
- Yeah. - So...
- So then I have to ask,
where did-- where is the disconnect at?
Because--I'm gonna appropriately confront you--
you said you would have done it just like Dad did it,
but you did it the opposite of how Dad did it.
- Yeah. - So where--
there is a disparity there.
Where is that disparity?
- I really can't point a finger to it.
Like, I wish I knew.
- Okay. Well, I'ma tell you.
Because you have disconnected from emotion.
Like many of them have.
You don't have a good relationship
with feeling, so you can't articulate it
'cause you can't feel it.
Do you know why you can't feel it?
- No. - Because somewhere
at some point, whether you were in denial
or not, um, your heart as well,
like you've done with Stella, was broken.
- I see Briana's reacting to everything you're saying
'cause it's some of your stuff too, right?
- Yeah.
- Devoin, is it yours also?
- Yeah. I've been there.
- It was mine.
I had it too.
And I think you've talked about this before
on this show.
These similar issues, right?
So I know this is deeply meaningful to you.
- Oh, yeah. I'm trying not to cry.
- Yeah, I could tell,
so tell me--tell us your part of this.
- Yeah, um, you know, I didn't grow up
in the most functional household.
My mom and my dad split.
Um, my dad left me behind, you know.
I had him throughout my childhood,
and then when I got pregnant at 16,
he just disappeared.
And that broke me. Like, oh, my God.
[clears throat] That was hard,
and it's still hard still to this day.
I'm 27 years old, and... - Yeah.
- I think about my dad every day.
I went to New York, um,
a few weeks ago and I found his address.
And I showed up, um...
and...
he didn't wanna see me.
That was hard.
Hard.
I don't want Stella or Nova to feel how I feel.
And I feel like if they continue
to do what they're doing,
they're gonna end up like me.
- Right, and so this is the... - [cries]
- Pathology that goes on and on.
Her father abandoned her.
She chooses a man or men who--
- Do the same thing. - Do the same thing
to her daughter. - Or something similar.
- What does that mean?
It just means that you guys have
to be the change advocates to change and disrupt
the dysfunctional pattern so your daughters don't grow up
to choose men who abandon them and their kids.
- Yeah. - And my hope
is that by her being so emotionally vulnerable
and telling this story, you guys get the message
that you do not want your kids
feeling like this when they're 30.
- I mean, this is so painful to see.
- This is why we're spending all this energy.
- That's not an option on this side.
- Huh? - Said that's not an option
on this side.
I mean, Nova's not gonna be feeling like that at 27, no.
- Yeah. Briana, you okay?
- I'm okay.
- I'm gonna sit with you.
Come on. Let's sit.
[laughs] - Okay. Perfect.
Perfect.
Well, thank you, Coach B, really.
And, uh, of course we are-- have deep hopes
that they will continue to build a stronger family.
- Absolutely.
And that's all for the "Teen Mom 2" reunion.
Thanks again to the entire cast and crew
for another unforgettable season.
- Remember, young people who have sex without protection
on a regular basis have an 85% chance of pregnancy
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For Nessa and for myself, we'll see you next time
on the "Teen Mom 2" reunion.
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