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It is humankind's
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most profound achievement.
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Mission control:
Three, two, one, liftoff.
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Narrator:
Blasting off from planet earth
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to journey to the stars.
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Jerry linenger:
Going to space--
it's incredible,
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and it blows your mind
to think that people can
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figure out
how to make that happen.
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Narrator:
But could our voyages
into the cosmos
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be even more extraordinary
than we know?
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Buzz aldrin:
I'm looking out the window
and I said,
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"what's that?"
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narrator:
Ancient astronaut theorist
giorgio tsoukalos
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is joined by author
david childress
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and aerospace engineer
dr. Travis taylor
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in an attempt
to answer the question:
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Is our space program
being monitored
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by extraterrestrials?
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And if so, are they waiting
for the human race
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to fulfill its destiny
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as space travelers?
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Travis taylor:
We have to leave
this solar system
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if we want humanity to survive.
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Giorgio tsoukalos:
I think it is wired within
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all of us that
we instinctively know
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that we come from the stars,
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and this is why we would
like to go back.
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Narrator:
There is a doorway
in the universe.
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Beyond it
is the promise of truth.
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It demands
we question everything
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we have ever been taught.
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The evidence is all around us.
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The future is
right before our eyes.
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We are not alone.
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We have never been alone.
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I'm excited to be here
with you guys to talk
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about everything that's going on
with space exploration.
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I think it's a natural
part of evolution
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to actually go back
to the stars.
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I deliberately say
"go back to the stars"
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or "return to the stars"
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because, according to
the ancient astronaut theory,
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that is where we came from.
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David childress:
Spacex now has sent astronauts
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to the international
space station,
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and so we've now entered
a whole new era
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of space exploration--
one that's privatized.
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Yeah, well, we're at a point
right now that, uh,
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if you have $20 million,
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the russians will send you
on a trip in space.
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You can go to
the international space station.
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Think about this:
There are a lot
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of people on this planet
that $20 million
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means nothing to,
and, before long,
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it'll be even cheaper than that.
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Like elon musk and bob bigelow,
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the next big commercial
space guy isn't gonna care.
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If they want to go to mars,
who's to stop them?
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-They're gonna go to mars.
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don't have to go
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with some protocols or
government-- I mean, they can
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-just do what they want.
Is that what you're saying?
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Long as they're not
violating some,
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you know, uh,
commerce law or whatever,
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but what we know
right now-- the treaties say
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that space is the wild frontier.
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It is like international
waters in the ocean.
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You're at maritime law once you
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get out of low earth orbit.
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Yeah, I-- to me,
it's very exciting.
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And now with more launches,
the probability of seeing
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extraterrestrials will increase.
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I really think that
we are destined to explore
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our own solar system
and then go beyond
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because this is
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-I agree.
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is hardwired within us.
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-It's in our, in our dna.
That's what you're saying.
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that we have to explore.
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Childress:
I think the one thing that's...
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is that the whole idea that
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and, um, ufos
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coming here-- that was all part
of the russian space program.
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It's actually part of their--
I wouldn't call it religion,
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The soviet union
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Cosmism, right.
Cosmism, uh, taught that--
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-yeah, we're-- life on
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...And-and it was our destiny
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At the end of the 19th century,
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russian philosophers
envisioned a radical new theory
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about the origins of humanity
called "cosmism."
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you can think of cosmism
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almost as a russian version
of ancient astronaut theory.
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It takes as its start point
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the fact that perhaps
we come from the stars
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and its endpoint to
we need to go back to the stars.
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the-the motivating factor
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behind the
russian space program.
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The russian cosmist
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proposed that
russia's ultimate future
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was to colonize space,
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and that, in fact, it was
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to get out into space.
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Narrator:
In may 1903,
konstantin tsiolkovsky,
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a cosmist and mathematician
from kaluga, russia,
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published a landmark paper
on rocket science entitled
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"exploration of outer space
by means of rocket devices."
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at a time when most of the world
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did not have automobiles
or even electricity,
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tsiolkovsky was trying
to figure out how to travel
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to the stars.
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One hypothesis he proposed,
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called "the ideal
rocket equation,"
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calculated the amount of
velocity needed to lift
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an aircraft into outer space.
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Amazingly, that 1903 equation
was used directly
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in the launch of sputnik 1.
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So it was hugely influential,
and it worked.
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Narrator:
What led tsiolkovsky
and other cosmists
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to subscribe to such
extraordinary beliefs?
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Ancient astronaut
theorists believe
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the answer can be found
in tsiolkovsky's own writings,
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in which he described receiving
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an extraterrestrial message
from the stars.
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Narrator:
Tsiolkovsky's work
ushered in a new era
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of human exploration,
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motivating the russian
government to send cosmonaut
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yuri gagarin to space in 1961.
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Could it be that the goal
of the soviet cosmonaut program
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was not only to demonstrate
technological superiority
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but to connect
with extraterrestrial beings?
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that could relate
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-The russian cosmonauts
have quite a few stories.
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And a famous one happened
in 1984, when three cosmonauts
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were on
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Narrator:
Orbiting 172 miles
above the earth, the salyut 7
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was russia's scientific
research space station.
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cosmonauts oleg atkov,
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and vladimir solovyov
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were on board the spacecraft
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when they witnessed
an extraordinary event.
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During the salyut 7 mission,
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soviet cosmonauts
had a bizarre encounter.
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The spacecraft was surrounded
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and all of a sudden,
they saw immense figures
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outside in space.
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The three cosmonauts saw
something at one of the windows
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that looked like--
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they-they described it as,
like, an orange glow
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that looked like human faces,
but they were huge,
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like, the size of a jet plane,
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and they couldn't explain
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Narrator:
What makes this event even more
compelling to researchers
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is that the cosmonauts
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not only described
the same bizarre vision,
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but they also
reported being overcome
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with a strange feeling.
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Nick pope:
The salyut 7 encounter--
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the cosmonauts felt
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a sort of sense of well-being,
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and that's interesting
because it's counterintuitive.
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You would think that,
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in that difficult and
dangerous environment of space,
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when something unusual happens,
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the natural instinct
would be to panic,
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and yet quite the opposite
seems to have happened.
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Linenger:
I was on a russian space
station for five months--
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myself, two russian cosmonauts,
spoke russian the whole time.
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And, you know, they'll tell you
stories about old salyut 7,
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uh, where they had a couple
cosmonauts that said they felt
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sort of the presence of angels.
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Could the sense of well-being
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experienced by
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indicate they were
in the presence of beings
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from another world?
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Is it possible that they
encountered similar entities
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to the ones reported
by famous cosmist
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konstantin tsiolkovsky?
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Might they actually be the same
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from salyut 7?
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And that's interesting
because this is the russian idea
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that when we do go to the stars,
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we will encounter
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is thus inextricably bound up
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with cosmism and the whole
russian view of space.
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The russian cosmonauts were
more open to the whole idea
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that the aliens are
coming here, and there are
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many curious episodes
that have happened in space,
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and we're also curious
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about what astronauts
see while they're up there--
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on the moon or in these
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Tsoukalos:
But, you know,
one of the best people
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to ask these questions
would be an astronaut,
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and so I have dr. Leroy chiao,
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an actual astronaut,
waiting with a video call.
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I can't wait to see that.
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We actually have
dr. Leroy chiao,
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an astronaut,
waiting for us on a zoom call.
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So let's see what
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-Childress: Hi, leroy.
-Taylor: Hello, dr. Chiao.
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-How are you doing?
Pleasure to meet you.
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-Excellent. How are you guys?
-Childress: Good.
-Tsoukalos: Good. Thank you.
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Nice saturn v model
you have in the background.
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Thanks. Thank you. (laughs)
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so tell us, I mean,
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not many people
have been to outer space,
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and I think one of
the most basic question is:
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How does it feel?
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Sure. I mean, it's really
a special, uh, experience,
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as you can imagine,
especially the very first time
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you get actually into the
vehicle and launched into space.
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More emotional than I expected.
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Of course, I looked back at the
earth once we got into orbit,
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saw how beautiful
our earth is with the colors
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being so bright and--
quite an emotional experience.
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How many missions did you have?
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I flew four missions into space.
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My first three missions
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and my fourth flight,
I trained with the russians,
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and we launched
the international space station,
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where I served as the commander
and nasa science officer
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during expedition 10, which was
a six-and-a-half-month flight.
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I'm very interested in
any unexplainable events that
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you might have seen
or experienced.
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Have you ever seen something
that you couldn't explain?
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Yes. Actually, yeah, I did.
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You know, on my last spacewalk
during my space station mission,
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we were in that twilight,
you know, time between
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going from darkness into light.
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four or five lights
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flying by in formation, and it
was like, "whoa, what is that?"
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and I called out in russian
to my russian crewmate,
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I said, "hey, did you see
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and he was facing the other way,
so he didn't see them.
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Childress:
So when you see the lights
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-going by you...
-Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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...You thought
they were perhaps ufos?
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You know, at the time,
I didn't know what they were.
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It wasn't until later,
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after we landed,
somebody had figured out
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that we were off the coast
of south america.
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Said that I had seen
a line of fishing boats
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using very bright lights
to attract squid.
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But wouldn't you see
the lights of buenos aires
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or montevideo at the same time?
Because that's where
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-those squid boats are.
-Normally you would.
Normally you would.
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But, you know, who knows?
I wasn't sure which
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direction I was facing because
we were in that twilight,
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and I couldn't tell
which direction was the earth
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and which direction
was deep space.
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Taylor:
So, uh, it's really interesting.
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A lot of people
don't realize this--
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other astronauts throughout
history have claimed
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to have seen things
that were not explained.
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Yeah.
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Taylor:
Gordon cooper claims he saw one.
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John glenn saw the fireflies
around his spacecraft.
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Buzz aldrin claimed to have
seen things near earth
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that we can't explain.
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Narrator:
According to ufo researchers,
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an extraordinary sighting
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was reported during
nasa's most famous mission.
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In July of 1969, while apollo 11
was traveling towards the moon,
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buzz aldrin noticed
that there was something
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kind of trailing them
outside one of the windows.
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And he and neil armstrong tried
to figure out what could it be.
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Aldrin: I'm looking out
the window, and I say,
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"what's that"?
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There's an object that's moving
with respect to everything else.
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Geez, it's not supposed
to be doing that.
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I wonder how far away it is.
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If it's a long ways away,
it's going mighty fast.
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If it's not too far away,
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it, uh, maybe isn't
going very fast.
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Wonder what it is.
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"hey, neil, look at this."
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we look at it.
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"god, what is that?"
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"probably the, uh,
upper stage rocket."
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"yeah, but didn't we just
watch that thing carefully...
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"out in front of us,
out the window,
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light its engine and go..."
(imitates whooshing)
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well, I guess that's not what
we're looking at, (chuckles)
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'cause that's a long ways away.
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What's the odds that it's...
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Some alien or russian
or something else?
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But we were not about to cancel
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the moon mission
and putt-putt over there
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to find out which one it was.
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(chuckles)
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pope:
Few ufo sightings by astronauts
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are as controversial than
the ones involving buzz aldrin.
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Effectively, the believers say
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that ufos
followed him to the moon.
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Some even say that
when they got to the moon,
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they were there
already waiting for them.
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Childress:
Leroy, when you were
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up in space
with your fellow astronauts,
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including the russians,
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did you ever talk about
extraterrestrials or ufos?
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Was that ever a subject?
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Yeah, I think there's no doubt
a lot of us astronauts have seen
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some weird things, and we don't
know for sure what they are.
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Narrator:
One astronaut who experienced
something he could not explain
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is jerry linenger,
a man who logged an incredible
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50 million miles
in space travel in the 1990s
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and survived the most severe
fire ever experienced
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aboard an orbiting spacecraft.
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So I had the privilege
of flying on a shuttle flight,
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which was incredible.
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And living on
the space station mir--
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a russian space station.
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So people ask me,
"have you seen a ufo?"
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and, you know, I-I don't want
to take this out of context,
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but unidentified
flying objects? Yes.
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I think we've all seen something
that we're not exactly sure
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what that is up there.
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When I was on the russian space
station, there was one time
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I saw sort of a white
globular looking thing.
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Kind of looked like
a misshaped snowball,
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kind of off in the distance,
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and I actually called one of
my cosmonaut crewmates over.
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I said, you know,
"what the heck is that?"
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and he says, you know,
"I don't know."
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and then we kind of
scratched our heads.
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Said, well, "maybe an ice chunk
off the external tank
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and it's crossing
our path again."
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you know, who knows?
But it was definitely something
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that neither of us
could identify.
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It's not uncommon
to see these things.
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I certainly, uh, wasn't shy
about talking about
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the-the strange lights
I thought were flying by.
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You know,
I kind of didn't really
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formally report it per se,
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but I-I said it in the clear
in a radio transmission
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to my partner to see
if he could see them, too.
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The probability of, you know,
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an intelligent vehicle
coming to visit us--
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uh, I think that's unlikely,
but the probability's not zero.
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Taylor:
But do you think that maybe
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they saw something
like you did that...
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-That we just didn't figure out
what the actual thing was...
-Mm-hmm.
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...Or maybe there were things
that-that we can't explain?
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Well, you know, never say never.
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I mean, uh, I-I for one
would never say
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that I know everything,
you know,
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and I can explain everything.
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I firmly believe
there's intelligent life
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all over the universe.
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In fact, I think it's the height
of arrogance, uh, for us
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here on earth to think
that we are the only ones
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in the universe
that-that are intelligent.
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-Taylor: Well, thank you.
-Childress: Great
talking to you.
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Yeah. Nice talking
to you guys. Thanks.
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-True pleasure. Thank you.
-Take care. Bye.
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Tsoukalos:
Wow.
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I think it's great that,
you know, leroy has
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had these
interesting experiences.
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He's seen things that
he couldn't explain,
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although they've been
explained to him now.
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But lots of astronauts
have seen unusual things...
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If... If you subscribe to that,
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but let's agree
with him and say,
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"okay. There is
a natural explanation
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-for this particular example."
-sure.
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But there are countless
other encounters
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that I always found fascinating.
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Childress:
People within space programs
keep things secret.
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Within the, I think, nasa,
an american space program,
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there was more of
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an effort to not have
those discussions
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of-of possible ufos,
of possible extraterrestrials.
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The reason the american
astronauts didn't do that
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is because of the stupid
brookings report.
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When the brookings report
came out in 1960
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after the beginning
of the mercury program,
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the final conclusion was that
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the general public
would go nuts if they were told
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of any evidence
of extraterrestrial life.
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Yeah, they warn-- they warned
against that. Yeah.
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And so, and so
the astronaut program,
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all up through the shuttle era,
was given that...
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The-the philosophy,
if not orders,
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if you see something like
that, we don't talk about it.
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-You call it...
-And you call it a--
you call it a bogey.
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Narrator:
According to ufo researchers,
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one of the first incidents
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involving the cover-up of an
unidentified sighting in space
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took place on December 4, 1965,
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shortly after
the gemini 7 blasted off
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from cape canaveral, florida,
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as the 12th
american spaceflight.
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On board were astronauts
frank borman and jim lovell.
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Just hours into their mission,
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they reported
an unusual sighting from orbit.
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They radio down to nasa
that they had a bogey
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outside the window.
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They did actually see something
that was strange in orbit,
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and they didn't
immediately know what it was.
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Bill birnes:
Nasa control
is furious about this.
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"don't report this.
What are you doing?
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Oh, it's-it's just debris,
booster rocket debris."
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but no. The astronauts
fully maintained--
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and this is multiple witness--
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these are craft flying with
the gemini capsules.
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And the whole thing is
hushed up when they land.
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They watched it
and were stunned.
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I mean, they-they didn't
have an explanation.
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They hadn't expected it at all,
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and still don't know
what they saw.
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What you have is a bona fide
unexplained phenomena,
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uh, looking out the window
of your spacecraft.
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Edgar mitchell
is another astronaut.
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-I mean, he spent his whole
post-astronaut life...
-Yes.
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-...Promoting, you know,
extraterrestrial contact...
-Absolutely.
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...And the belief in
extraterrestrials.
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So here's
a nasa astronaut who's--
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you know, is totally
on board with this,
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that, you know,
we are being visited.
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Narrator:
Astronaut edgar mitchell served
as the lunar module pilot
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on apollo 14.
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On February 5, 1971,
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he made history when he
completed the third moon landing
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and became the sixth person
to ever walk on the moon.
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Apollo 14 was the first,
uh, mission to the moon
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to begin
the science exploration.
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We landed in
the fra mauro highlands,
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and our-our purpose there
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was to set up
science, uh, instruments there,
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to make a geology trek
up to the top of cone crater
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and bring back samples,
which we did.
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Narrator:
Four over nine hours,
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mitchell and mission commander
alan shepard
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explored the lunar surface.
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But according to mitchell,
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for him, the most significant
part of their voyage
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occurred as they were
returning to earth.
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After I had done all my work,
and we were on the way home,
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I suddenly had
an experience, uh,
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which I will describe
as ecstasy and exhilaration.
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And I realized everything
is part of the same thing.
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And I realized that, perhaps,
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that with this experience,
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maybe the story of ourselves,
as told by our science,
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was incomplete
and perhaps flawed
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and that maybe
what we should be doing now
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is look very seriously again at:
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What is our origin? What is
our place in the universe?
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And that was
kind of the epiphany,
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the experience I had in space.
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Narrator:
Years later, mitchell's
life-changing experience
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inspired him
to start investigating
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the ufo phenomenon.
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I have-have not had
any personal experience.
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However, I do know virtually
all of the research people
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in both europe
and the united states
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that have spent decades
working on this problem,
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and I listened and investigated
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all the sightings
for dozens of years,
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and I'm pretty sure
it's all true.
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And I've been involved in
the disclosure project, uh,
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tr-trying to get this opened up
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and reveal
what we really do know.
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I still feel that, yeah, nasa,
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they have secrets.
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A lot of people have
said, "well, look,
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everybody in nasa would have
to be keeping some secret."
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and that's wrong, too.
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00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:04,525
Uh, within these space programs,
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you have compartmentalized
programs, need to know.
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-Well...
-People within the space program
don't need to know everything.
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I mean, they've got to keep
things secret. They have to.
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You know,
as far as I'm concerned,
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I think that the exploration
482
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:24,920
and perhaps even
the colonization of space
483
00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:26,922
is what we are destined to do.
484
00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:30,634
I think it is wired
within all of us
485
00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:32,553
that we inherently
486
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:36,474
need to explore
where we came from, right?
487
00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:39,810
I find it fascinating that there
are these stories out there
488
00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:42,646
about astronauts
and alien encounters.
489
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:45,232
We have in possession today
490
00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:47,401
-photographic evidence.
-Yep.
491
00:24:47,487 --> 00:24:50,321
Sure, we've all seen
some odd-looking photos
492
00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:51,906
from nasa astronauts,
493
00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:54,909
uh, that are actually these
unidentified aerial phenomena
494
00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:56,577
that we have
no idea what they are.
495
00:24:56,662 --> 00:24:59,121
Childress:
There are some photos
of possible ufos,
496
00:24:59,165 --> 00:25:00,831
of possible extraterrestrials.
497
00:25:00,875 --> 00:25:02,541
Tsoukalos:
Have you seen
498
00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:06,378
the skylab photo of
the two or three red lights?
499
00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:07,755
I've seen the photo
you're talking about.
500
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,632
Well, right, and that's
what I was just gonna say.
501
00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:13,177
We have very good photos of
that, and that is an anomaly.
502
00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:17,056
Narrator:
Launched on may 25, 1973,
503
00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:21,185
the skylab was america's
first space station,
504
00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:24,146
an orbital
scientific research vessel.
505
00:25:24,232 --> 00:25:26,857
After roughly
four months in orbit,
506
00:25:26,901 --> 00:25:30,319
an astronaut aboard skylab
named owen garriott
507
00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:33,489
took a photograph
of a mysterious object
508
00:25:33,574 --> 00:25:35,824
outside the space station.
509
00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:38,410
The crew of skylab 3
saw something strange
510
00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:40,037
at one of their windows,
511
00:25:40,122 --> 00:25:42,873
and it was kind of
an oscillating red-orange
512
00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:44,375
lights off in the distance.
513
00:25:44,418 --> 00:25:47,294
The crew couldn't discern
exactly what it was--
514
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:49,588
just the certainty that
it was tracking them
515
00:25:49,674 --> 00:25:52,550
or they were tracking it,
rather, for quite a long time.
516
00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:56,011
The most logical explanation
was that it was a satellite
517
00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:58,347
or some kind of debris,
518
00:25:58,432 --> 00:26:00,391
but the crew
did note at the time
519
00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:02,560
that they had seen
other satellites in orbit,
520
00:26:02,603 --> 00:26:04,895
and the satellites
looked like they do on earth,
521
00:26:04,981 --> 00:26:07,189
and this phenomenon
they'd seen, these lights,
522
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,900
didn't look like that at all.
523
00:26:09,944 --> 00:26:13,612
Ultimately,
the public explanation was
524
00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,240
that it was just a reflection
525
00:26:16,284 --> 00:26:19,868
of the panel in the background
of the space st...
526
00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:22,037
-On the window?
-In the window.
527
00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,081
Exactly. But there are
528
00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:27,668
training modules
of these things where
529
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:32,089
you can actually go inside
and replicate the conditions
530
00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:33,924
of how this would be,
531
00:26:33,968 --> 00:26:36,927
and so, as far as
the red lights are concerned,
532
00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:40,848
the panel does not
have two or three red lights.
533
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:42,933
It only has one.
534
00:26:43,978 --> 00:26:46,353
So it dismisses the idea
535
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:49,440
that it was a reflection
of the instrument panel.
536
00:26:50,735 --> 00:26:52,318
I find that very interesting.
537
00:26:52,403 --> 00:26:54,069
Would I be correct in assuming
538
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,905
that these
space stations are, uh,
539
00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:58,949
equipped with cameras?
540
00:26:58,993 --> 00:27:02,036
Taylor:
Well, so there is some video
from the shuttle era.
541
00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:06,915
We have seen some bona fide
unexplained phenomena.
542
00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:11,795
Narrator:
As far as
ufo researchers are concerned,
543
00:27:11,881 --> 00:27:15,257
some of the most compelling
video taken in outer space
544
00:27:15,343 --> 00:27:21,263
was recorded during nasa mission
sts-80 in December 1996.
545
00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:24,433
During the space shuttle
columbia mission,
546
00:27:24,477 --> 00:27:26,477
astronaut story musgrave
547
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,022
captured a number
of strange events on camera,
548
00:27:30,107 --> 00:27:33,776
including slow-moving
circular objects.
549
00:27:36,113 --> 00:27:39,698
It really seems like the footage
that we're looking at,
550
00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:43,160
the video footage of sts-80
clearly show what appear to be
551
00:27:43,245 --> 00:27:46,580
powered vehicles
operating in low earth orbit,
552
00:27:46,666 --> 00:27:50,793
clearly performing the way ufos
or extraterrestrial spacecraft
553
00:27:50,878 --> 00:27:53,629
are supposedly able to perform.
554
00:27:53,714 --> 00:27:58,008
Narrator:
While nasa scientists dismiss
these objects as ice particles,
555
00:27:58,094 --> 00:28:01,679
the incredible images
have fascinated researchers,
556
00:28:01,722 --> 00:28:05,849
including aerospace engineer
and digital imaging expert
557
00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:08,018
dr. Mark carlotto.
558
00:28:08,062 --> 00:28:11,397
After spending countless hours
studying the footage,
559
00:28:11,482 --> 00:28:15,651
he has come to the conclusion
that the object in these images
560
00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:17,695
were intelligently controlled.
561
00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:22,157
A number of objects are seen
just after sunrise.
562
00:28:22,243 --> 00:28:24,159
The conjecture by nasa,
563
00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:27,329
the explanation is that these
are the result of particles
564
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:29,873
that move from
shadow into sunlight
565
00:28:29,917 --> 00:28:31,709
and suddenly become illuminated
566
00:28:31,794 --> 00:28:34,670
so they appear to the camera,
and then they move,
567
00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:37,548
and then if there's a thruster
firing or some other action,
568
00:28:37,633 --> 00:28:39,550
they change direction.
569
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:45,431
However, nasa spokespersons
do not comment
570
00:28:45,516 --> 00:28:47,766
on what's seen
earlier in the video.
571
00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:51,186
Here, we're looking at the earth
about a minute or so
572
00:28:51,272 --> 00:28:54,690
before the discs
and the streaks appear,
573
00:28:54,734 --> 00:28:56,400
and we're looking at,
574
00:28:56,485 --> 00:28:58,902
as the camera zooms,
we're looking at puerto rico.
575
00:28:58,988 --> 00:29:00,446
That's that bright blob that
576
00:29:00,531 --> 00:29:02,406
we see in
the middle of the screen.
577
00:29:02,491 --> 00:29:04,408
As the camera zoom--
578
00:29:04,452 --> 00:29:06,577
the camera operator
is moving around
579
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:08,537
as if they're looking
for something,
580
00:29:08,622 --> 00:29:11,373
and in a moment, we'll see
something suddenly appear,
581
00:29:11,417 --> 00:29:13,375
almost literally out of nowhere.
582
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,255
If we look at
this event more closely,
583
00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:21,216
it leaves a trail
or a wake behind it.
584
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:23,177
It happens very quickly.
585
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,220
It's very unusual.
586
00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:30,893
In this particular map,
we see puerto rico
587
00:29:30,978 --> 00:29:33,103
and the virgin islands,
588
00:29:33,189 --> 00:29:37,191
and I will now overlay
one of the frames of the video.
589
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:43,489
See the object appearing
and moving left to right?
590
00:29:43,574 --> 00:29:47,910
In one half second,
this object moves 340 miles,
591
00:29:47,995 --> 00:29:51,789
which is a speed
of 680 miles per second.
592
00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:56,960
This object moves as fast
as a bolt of lightning.
593
00:29:57,046 --> 00:29:59,963
There are no thunderstorms
in the area.
594
00:30:00,007 --> 00:30:03,801
It is unlike any natural
phenomenon that's known,
595
00:30:03,844 --> 00:30:06,261
and this object has never
been mentioned by nasa
596
00:30:06,347 --> 00:30:08,514
or anyone that's
talked about this video.
597
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,810
Narrator:
Is it possible that nasa
has already captured footage
598
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:16,146
of an extraterrestrial
presence in outer space
599
00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:19,608
only to dismiss it
as natural phenomena?
600
00:30:20,611 --> 00:30:23,487
Ancient astronaut theorists
believe that
601
00:30:23,531 --> 00:30:26,490
as humankind continues
to venture further out
602
00:30:26,534 --> 00:30:29,785
into the cosmos,
it is only a matter of time
603
00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:32,538
before we record
an alien encounter
604
00:30:32,623 --> 00:30:35,207
that is impossible to deny.
605
00:30:36,544 --> 00:30:40,462
So what's the next step, then?
Going to mars, I suppose.
606
00:30:40,548 --> 00:30:42,214
Do you think
we'll find some answers
607
00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:43,757
to a lot of our questions there?
608
00:30:43,801 --> 00:30:47,344
Well, I'll tell you one answer
that I can't wait to find.
609
00:30:52,309 --> 00:30:55,185
We had a race to the moon, uh,
and now it's a race to mars.
610
00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:56,979
-But now there's a lot more
players in this game, right?
-Taylor: Yes. Yes.
611
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,230
-I mean, we've got...
-Right now,
612
00:30:58,315 --> 00:31:00,607
you-you've got the
three governments, you know,
613
00:31:00,693 --> 00:31:03,193
the russians, the chinese
and the americans, are gonna
614
00:31:03,237 --> 00:31:06,363
get to the moon and mars
from a government standpoint.
615
00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:10,033
But I'm telling you,
some of these rich billionaires
616
00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:12,870
are gonna get there
whether we want them to or not.
617
00:31:12,955 --> 00:31:14,538
Childress:
And they can probably do it
618
00:31:14,623 --> 00:31:17,124
a lot more cost effective
than these governments.
619
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,543
Well, now that
we're getting close to mars,
620
00:31:19,587 --> 00:31:21,336
do you think we'll find
some answers
621
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:23,088
to a lot of our questions there?
622
00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:26,300
Well, I'll tell you one answer
that I can't wait to find.
623
00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:29,386
Uh, there's a-a photograph
that you can still find it
624
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:32,306
in, uh, the database from
the mars reconnaissance orbiter.
625
00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:35,893
And it shows, like,
a little pool of water
626
00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,897
and an iceberg and a cloud,
uh, all in the same picture.
627
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:42,357
So I think we're certainly
gonna find water,
628
00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:44,443
and if we're gonna find water
and we know it gets 67 degrees
629
00:31:44,528 --> 00:31:46,069
-in the summer...
-We find life.
630
00:31:46,155 --> 00:31:48,614
-Absolutely, that's
what we're gonna find.
-Tsoukalos: See,
631
00:31:48,699 --> 00:31:50,782
but here's the thing
that, you know, to me...
632
00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:53,660
-The life I am looking for...
-Yeah.
633
00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:55,412
...Looks like you and me.
634
00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:58,707
It is humanoid in-in form.
635
00:31:58,751 --> 00:32:02,085
Uh, if we find
bacteria life, okay.
636
00:32:02,171 --> 00:32:04,129
And, in my opinion,
I'm gonna say it:
637
00:32:04,214 --> 00:32:06,465
-Big whoop.
-Taylor: That's what
most people, I think,
638
00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,092
will say, giorgio. I-I agree.
639
00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:11,595
Let me tell you this, though.
It's possible that mars
640
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,431
was the blue-green planet
here, you know,
641
00:32:14,475 --> 00:32:16,600
a billion years ago
instead of earth,
642
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,227
and when,
whatever happened to mars,
643
00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:20,979
they migrated
from there to here.
644
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:25,359
Narrator:
Migration from mars to earth?
645
00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:28,445
Some ancient astronaut theorists
have proposed
646
00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:32,491
the incredible notion that
the human race did, in fact,
647
00:32:32,576 --> 00:32:35,869
originate on earth's
closest neighboring planet,
648
00:32:35,955 --> 00:32:39,498
and it is their belief
that all of humankind's journeys
649
00:32:39,583 --> 00:32:43,126
into space have been
leading towards a return
650
00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:45,629
to this ancestral homeland.
651
00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:48,924
While it may sound like
the premise of a sci-fi movie,
652
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:51,635
some scientists
have proposed that,
653
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,013
based on what we've learned
about the red planet,
654
00:32:55,099 --> 00:32:58,475
this is not such a far-fetched
notion after all.
655
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,772
Mars at one time in its past
looked more like the earth.
656
00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:07,943
It was a blue ocean world
657
00:33:07,987 --> 00:33:10,654
with a significant
amount of water.
658
00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:13,323
We know for a fact that
billions of years ago,
659
00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:16,785
when we were first getting
started here on earth,
660
00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:19,454
mars was a much more
clement place,
661
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:22,040
a more clement world in its own.
662
00:33:22,126 --> 00:33:24,584
We know that
it had thick atmosphere
663
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:26,795
to shield
and blanket the planet,
664
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,839
and it would have
had organic molecules,
665
00:33:28,882 --> 00:33:31,883
the building blocks
of all life as we know it.
666
00:33:31,969 --> 00:33:33,885
So it stands to reason
667
00:33:33,971 --> 00:33:38,181
that maybe mars had its own
genesis, its own origin of life.
668
00:33:39,393 --> 00:33:42,519
Narrator:
If mars was once
an earth-like planet,
669
00:33:42,563 --> 00:33:44,771
could it have supported
human life?
670
00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:49,192
Curiously, researchers
have found a remarkable link
671
00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:52,821
between human physiology
and conditions on mars.
672
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:57,701
When astronauts
actually go into space,
673
00:33:57,786 --> 00:33:59,911
their circadian rhythms,
their body clocks,
674
00:33:59,997 --> 00:34:05,542
change from 24-hour days
to a 24.9-hour day,
675
00:34:05,627 --> 00:34:08,086
and that happens to be
the exact rotational period
676
00:34:08,172 --> 00:34:10,630
of a single day
on the planet mars.
677
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,175
Given the fact that
our body clocks are tuned
678
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:15,510
to the planet mars,
not to the planet earth,
679
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:19,389
that indicates to me that we
actually came here from there.
680
00:34:20,309 --> 00:34:23,560
Narrator:
Could we, in fact, be martians?
681
00:34:23,604 --> 00:34:25,228
And might this be
682
00:34:25,272 --> 00:34:28,899
why we are so compelled
to explore beyond earth?
683
00:34:29,943 --> 00:34:32,152
In April 2020,
684
00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:35,280
nasa announced
that three private companies--
685
00:34:35,365 --> 00:34:38,992
blue origin,
dynetics and spacex,
686
00:34:39,078 --> 00:34:42,662
will compete to design america's
new human landing system,
687
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:44,081
or hls.
688
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:49,169
Its ultimate purpose:
To send astronauts
689
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,088
to mars.
690
00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:52,881
Pope:
I think the next few years
691
00:34:52,925 --> 00:34:55,926
are going to be
absolutely pivotal
692
00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:58,011
in mars research.
693
00:34:58,097 --> 00:35:01,640
We are seeing mission
after mission after mission
694
00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:05,727
going to mars, and, again,
one might wonder why.
695
00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:09,856
Is it because,
when humanity expands out
696
00:35:09,942 --> 00:35:12,943
into the cosmos,
we are going to have to have
697
00:35:12,986 --> 00:35:16,530
a planetary base and mars
is a good place for that?
698
00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:20,283
Or is it because
scientists know or suspect
699
00:35:20,369 --> 00:35:22,285
that there's something there?
700
00:35:23,372 --> 00:35:26,081
We don't know what's on mars
right now, but we can speculate.
701
00:35:26,125 --> 00:35:27,666
There are some photos.
702
00:35:27,709 --> 00:35:30,669
There are books that speculate
there are structures on mars.
703
00:35:30,754 --> 00:35:33,630
I like to think that there are
structures on mars and there was
704
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,091
an ancient civilization there
that-that perhaps is dead.
705
00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:40,220
And you have also
this curious monolith
706
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:42,973
-on the martian moon phobos.
-Tsoukalos: Phobos.
-Oh, phobos. Yeah.
707
00:35:43,058 --> 00:35:44,766
Tsoukalos:
What's interesting, too,
708
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:46,434
for example, the cydonia region.
709
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:48,895
That is where allegedly
the pyramids are.
710
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,189
-Absolutely.
-Childress: What is
that doing there?
711
00:35:51,275 --> 00:35:53,483
Is that a natural formation?
712
00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:56,278
I mean, this seems like
a very artificial thing.
713
00:35:57,364 --> 00:36:00,115
Narrator: Researchers
studying nasa photographs
714
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:01,616
of the martian surface
715
00:36:01,702 --> 00:36:04,452
have identified
what appear to be
716
00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:07,998
a number of
artificial structures.
717
00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:12,711
Mark carlotto:
There's a number of pyramidal
structures called the "city."
718
00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:16,214
there's a famous face on mars.
719
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,508
It could be evidence
of, perhaps,
720
00:36:18,552 --> 00:36:20,844
of a prehistoric civilization
on mars.
721
00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:25,015
Pope:
It's only a matter of time
before we find
722
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:30,187
absolutely definitive evidence
of microbes on mars.
723
00:36:31,106 --> 00:36:34,983
Maybe, and this would be the
absolute holy grail, of course,
724
00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:37,736
maybe we will find
the fingerprints
725
00:36:37,821 --> 00:36:39,863
of an ancient civilization.
726
00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,368
Narrator:
When the first astronauts
reach mars,
727
00:36:45,412 --> 00:36:47,204
will they discover evidence
728
00:36:47,247 --> 00:36:51,041
that the red planet
has been visited before
729
00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:54,377
or perhaps something
even more profound?
730
00:36:56,256 --> 00:36:59,299
You know, for decades, we've had
these questions about mars.
731
00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:03,053
And now that we are at
the beginning of actually
732
00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,222
soon being able to go there,
733
00:37:05,307 --> 00:37:09,017
we will have these answers
and possibly
734
00:37:09,102 --> 00:37:11,019
within our own lifetimes.
735
00:37:11,104 --> 00:37:13,563
And we live
in such exciting times.
736
00:37:13,607 --> 00:37:15,232
Taylor:
Nasa plans to
737
00:37:15,275 --> 00:37:17,192
make their first
manned mars mission
738
00:37:17,277 --> 00:37:18,818
within the 2030s.
739
00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:21,738
So that means
we're only ten-ish years
740
00:37:21,823 --> 00:37:23,907
away from that, and
so we should get to see that.
741
00:37:23,992 --> 00:37:26,952
If there was
a civilization there,
742
00:37:27,037 --> 00:37:29,120
it's likely that
they're gonna land close
743
00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:30,664
to where it might have been.
744
00:37:30,749 --> 00:37:32,290
-Yeah.
-And, eventually,
745
00:37:32,376 --> 00:37:35,001
-somebody's gonna
stumble across it.
-Childress: Maybe when
746
00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:37,629
we go to mars,
we'll be returning to mars,
747
00:37:37,714 --> 00:37:40,590
having actually come there
originally ourselves.
748
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:43,260
-And you have to have
an open mind to the possibility.
-Yeah.
749
00:37:43,303 --> 00:37:46,429
Taylor:
But there's more to it
in our evolution.
750
00:37:46,473 --> 00:37:48,306
We can't just stay here.
Sooner or later,
751
00:37:48,392 --> 00:37:51,184
something will happen that would
be an extinction-level event
752
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:52,227
to the earth.
753
00:37:52,271 --> 00:37:54,646
We have to leave earth
754
00:37:54,731 --> 00:37:57,190
if we want humanity to survive.
755
00:37:57,276 --> 00:38:01,820
Right.
756
00:38:01,905 --> 00:38:03,947
This is, uh-- has been
such an incredible
757
00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:06,116
and fascinating conversation
that, you know,
758
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,411
we live in the most exciting
of times right now
759
00:38:09,496 --> 00:38:12,289
because with the privatization
of space travel,
760
00:38:12,374 --> 00:38:16,126
we are destined
to go back into space
761
00:38:16,211 --> 00:38:19,254
and explore our own solar system
762
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:21,423
and then go beyond,
763
00:38:21,508 --> 00:38:24,509
because this is
part of who we are.
764
00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:27,846
Taylor:
I think, in less than
a hundred years,
765
00:38:27,931 --> 00:38:30,807
we're going to advance
physics knowledge enough
766
00:38:30,851 --> 00:38:34,477
that we will be able
to travel at speeds
767
00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:36,396
that are arbitrarily fast,
768
00:38:36,481 --> 00:38:39,232
meaning like warp speeds
and things like that.
769
00:38:39,318 --> 00:38:40,859
We have an understanding
770
00:38:40,944 --> 00:38:43,236
within our theoretical
physics to do it.
771
00:38:43,322 --> 00:38:45,238
-It's the engineering pieces
that's next.
-Right.
772
00:38:45,324 --> 00:38:47,449
-Childress: Right, okay.
-So, and here's the thing.
773
00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:50,827
-We're a fairly young species.
-Right.
774
00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:54,956
Taylor:
Sooner or later,
something will happen
775
00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:56,624
that would be
an extinction-level event
776
00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:58,043
to the earth.
777
00:38:58,128 --> 00:38:59,669
It may be
a billion years from now,
778
00:38:59,755 --> 00:39:01,671
maybe a million years,
maybe next week.
779
00:39:03,675 --> 00:39:06,926
We have to go to the moon
and put people there.
780
00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:10,722
We have to go to mars
and make it livable.
781
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,142
And so we have
to leave this earth
782
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:17,645
if we want humanity to survive.
783
00:39:18,774 --> 00:39:22,275
And who's to say that that's not
what has happened already...
784
00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:25,779
-Of course.
-...And that we are part
of that survival process?
785
00:39:25,864 --> 00:39:28,490
There's so many stars out there,
786
00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:30,658
and there had to be other
civilizations that occurred.
787
00:39:30,744 --> 00:39:32,911
They had to go and explore,
788
00:39:32,996 --> 00:39:35,205
and they had
to spread themselves
789
00:39:35,248 --> 00:39:37,123
across the universe.
790
00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:40,335
The russian cosmists believe
that we-we came from the stars
791
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,213
and that we're destined
to go back to the stars.
792
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:46,216
And, uh, that's pretty much
what we're doing now, aren't we?
793
00:39:46,259 --> 00:39:49,677
Uh, returning to the stars,
in many ways, as explorers.
794
00:39:49,763 --> 00:39:51,262
I think you're
absolutely right there.
795
00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:55,141
You know, this makes me think
of, uh, edgar rice burroughs.
796
00:39:55,227 --> 00:39:57,310
Even before the golden era
797
00:39:57,396 --> 00:39:59,979
of-of what we would call
science fiction in the '30s,
798
00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:01,856
john carter of mars...
799
00:40:01,942 --> 00:40:04,192
Chessmen of mars, yeah,
princess of mars.
800
00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:06,653
-The barsoomian adventures...
-Yeah.
801
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:09,531
...Was that somebody,
john carter,
802
00:40:09,616 --> 00:40:12,117
left earth some way,
ends up on mars,
803
00:40:12,202 --> 00:40:14,119
and there's
a whole civilization there.
804
00:40:14,204 --> 00:40:16,830
Science fiction drives
that sort of imagination.
805
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:19,749
It's dr-driven me since I was
a kid, watching star trek
806
00:40:19,835 --> 00:40:23,253
and reading robert heinlein
and asimov and arthur c. Clarke,
807
00:40:23,296 --> 00:40:25,380
and all these things, right?
They're telling us
808
00:40:25,465 --> 00:40:27,966
-what the future might be.
-Tsoukalos: Science fiction
809
00:40:28,051 --> 00:40:32,220
has become, in many cases,
science fact.
810
00:40:32,305 --> 00:40:36,891
And technology
has accelerated exponentially.
811
00:40:36,935 --> 00:40:40,895
Can you imagine where
we'll be 20 years from now?
812
00:40:40,981 --> 00:40:42,647
Taylor:
You know, I want to know
813
00:40:42,732 --> 00:40:45,900
all of these
ancient astronaut theories.
814
00:40:45,986 --> 00:40:49,529
I want to go out there
and find thor and zeus
815
00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:51,030
and these guys, and I want to,
816
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:53,700
I want to ask,
"where did y'all go?" right?
817
00:40:53,785 --> 00:40:55,785
-Maybe they're waiting for us
right now to get there, right?
-Yeah.
818
00:40:55,871 --> 00:40:58,955
-You know, "we've been waiting.
What-what took you so long?"
-right?
819
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,126
I really think that we are
destined to explore space
820
00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:05,879
and perhaps also colonize space,
821
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:09,132
and if we do that,
sooner or later,
822
00:41:09,176 --> 00:41:13,011
we will come across
our actual alien ancestors.
823
00:41:13,096 --> 00:41:17,056
And I'm really excited
to see what the future holds.
824
00:41:17,142 --> 00:41:19,142
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