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[narrator] When a nurse
from the Cherokee Nation
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meets a charming
Southern gentleman,
sparks fly.
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He was a golfer.
He was a pilot.
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He'd gone to Ohio State
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and played football
with Woody Hayes.
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[narrator] But is it all smoke
and mirrors?
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My husband says
I'm not real sure
about that guy.
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I was in horror.
I couldn't speak.
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This is something
that you would see on 20/20.
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This doesn't happen to us.
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[narrator] Questions
about his past
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[narrator] Questions
about his past
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come back to haunt
Deborah Proctor.
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The reason
why he went missing was
there was a barn fire.
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They never found any remains.
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[Holly] He would do anything
for me.
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And I thought
maybe he murdered someone.
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[Deborah] I was afraid
he would burn the place down.
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I was frightened
at this point.
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[narrator] And when
a cold case is reopened,
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Debra's marriage
goes up in flames.
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It was just a nightmare.
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[Deborah] It was like,
"Who are you?
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How have you done
these things?"
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How have you done
these things?"
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{\an8}Tahlequah is the...
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{\an8}the heart
of the Cherokee Reservation.
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My father was originally
sent here in early '30s.
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My father was originally
sent here in early '30s.
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He and his siblings
were sent to boarding school.
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I personally have lived
at four boarding schools
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and most of my years
were spent
at Seneca Indian School.
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[narrator] Deborah does well
in school
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and graduates
from nursing college.
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She then goes back to work
in her community.
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[Shawnna]
Everybody knows Deb.
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She's always out
in the public.
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{\an8}Very kind, very sweet, always,
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{\an8}I mean, always out to help
anybody and everybody.
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{\an8}I mean, always out to help
anybody and everybody.
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{\an8}You know, she's a
very good hearted lady.
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{\an8}[Deborah] I'm very active
in my community.
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And it's just
a celebration of...
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of the Cherokee,
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can be community activities,
friendships, concerts,
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might be birthdays.
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There are the powwows.
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There's the parade.
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There's tournaments,
softball, golf.
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We love golf.
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I've been playing golf a while
for years and years.
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[narrator] Deborah has spent
almost her entire life
on the reservation
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and even married
and then divorced
a local non-native man.
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In 1998, she's single
with two sons
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when she decides
to broaden her horizons
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by posting
a dating profile online.
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[Deborah] I had hoped
for a long-term relationship.
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I wasn't looking to move,
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but if someone was free
to move here,
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that was an option for me.
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I met a...
a number of gentlemen,
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I met a...
a number of gentlemen,
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but the one that seemed
the most appealing to me,
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his name was Jeff Walton.
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Jeff's profile
shared of all the things
he had done in his life.
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He was a golfer,
he was a pilot,
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was a project manager
for large industry,
construction.
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He'd gone to Ohio State
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and played football
with Woody Hayes.
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[phone ringing]
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[narrator]
They exchanged messages
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and he tells her
that he had been married
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and he tells her
that he had been married
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and divorced once
and has one son.
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When they finally talk
on the phone,
Deborah is charmed.
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[Deborah] His favorite word
was darlin'
in a New Orleans accent.
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I just thought
that was amazing.
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[laughs]
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When he began to talk
about Native American music,
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I think I was just gone.
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At that point, I was like,
"This guy really gets me."
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[narrator] Three months
into their online
relationship,
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Jeff tells Deborah
the business is bringing him
to Oklahoma.
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Jeff tells Deborah
the business is bringing him
to Oklahoma.
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It's time to meet.
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I had a big event planned.
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Was having my family over
and I was having dinner
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and I'd fix dessert
and, you know,
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just doing a h...
home welcome.
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Here's my family.
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Welcome to Tahlequah,
that kind of thing.
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But everyone came but Jeff.
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[narrator] Jeff is a no show.
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[Deborah] Well, I was sick
of my stomach.
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And then he reached out
in an email,
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and that's when he explained
what all had happened.
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His mother had called him
home to Canada.
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His brother John was missing.
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The family was worried
about him
and he just had to go home.
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I just felt
such compassion for them
that he was missing.
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{\an8}[Katie] I've known Deb
a long time.
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{\an8}[Katie] I've known Deb
a long time.
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{\an8}She is a good judge
of character.
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I felt cautious,
but I also felt happy for Deb.
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She told me all about him.
She showed me pictures.
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She was just happy
as could be.
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[narrator] When Jeff's
brother returns
with little explanation,
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Jeff is ready to carry on
where he and Deborah left off.
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He came here
on April 23rd, 1998.
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I went to visit
a medicine man,
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and I did have him
bead a feather.
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Then I gave that to Jeff
when I picked him up
at the airport.
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It's a part of my culture.
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I was very nervous.
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Very nervous.
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It's scary, 'cause I'd been
single a number of years.
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You know,
I really love this guy.
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And... and I'd never met him.
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And our first weekend
together,
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I took him all around,
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I took him all around,
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introduced him
to as many friends as I could,
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took him to my golf course.
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Everyone was friendly.
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Even my guy friends
were friendly.
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It was beautiful.
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It was very lovely.
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My boys, they liked him.
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He was,
he was a very personable guy.
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And one of my dearest
golf friends was like,
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well, you know, "I'm not sure
that you know yet. Do you?"
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And I go, "Oh, yeah,
this... this is the one."
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[Katie] He was handsome.
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[Katie] He was handsome.
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He was kind.
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He had that New Orleans drawl.
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He treated her
like a princess.
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In fact, he called her
"my Indian princess."
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[narrator] Katie's husband,
Jesse, isn't as impressed.
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We hug each other here,
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and they gave each other
a hug.
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[narrator] And then Jeff
does an odd thing.
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[narrator] And then Jeff
does an odd thing.
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[Katie] Well, Jeff put Jesse
in a headlock.
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No one was looking.
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And so, you know,
I was just thinking,
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"Why would he do that?"
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Well, later on,
Jesse told me he hurt him
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because his back's jacked up,
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and then he said something
to him like,
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"Oh, you sissy or something."
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[narrator] Later,
Jeff reveals another
surprising side of himself
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that Deborah
had been unaware of
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when he goes to dinner
with Deborah and her sons.
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when he goes to dinner
with Deborah and her sons.
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Something came up
about him being a veteran,
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and he told both of my sons.
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He said, "I'll...
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I will let you ask me
one question
about my being a veteran,
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about being
in the Vietnam War."
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We began to learn about
the prisoner of war story
and the horrors of it.
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They were ambushed, his unit
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and he was captured
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and they took gun butt
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and busted his feet.
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And he was able
to finally get free
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And he was able
to finally get free
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and followed water back
to American troops.
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I just thought
he was a phenomenal man
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with all that he had done
in his life.
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There was an annual trip
that we typically made
right after Christmas,
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and I typically would travel
with all my golf couples.
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And so finally I was like,
now I have a golf partner.
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[narrator] Four couples,
including Jeff and Deborah,
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travel to Florida
to play golf.
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travel to Florida
to play golf.
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But there's a small problem.
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[Deborah] He didn't bring
his golf clubs.
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A real golfer is not gonna
lose their clubs, but...
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he said his was taken.
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So we bought him
all new clubs.
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Eight of you
can't play together,
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so we always played
in different groups.
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[narrator] The guys play
together on the first day
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and Jeff stuns Deborah
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when he wins the tournament
and a pot of money,
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but he's the only one happy
about it.
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but he's the only one happy
about it.
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[Deborah] I noticed that
there was a strangeness,
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there was a distance,
and these were
my close friends.
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I've traveled with them
for years, and...
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but I, I couldn't put
my finger on it.
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And I learned that
what happened
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and they were just
observing cheating.
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And they witnessed
that he might not count
all of his strokes
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or if he hit out of bounds,
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he wouldn't take
his penalty shot.
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And if you cheat,
that says a lot about you.
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And if you cheat,
that says a lot about you.
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[narrator] Deborah turns
to her best friend,
Katie, for advice.
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[Katie] She was crying.
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She was upset
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because they were badmouthing
Jeff, which made me upset.
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They just didn't like
his personality.
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They didn't like to be
around him.
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[Deborah] After we made
that trip to Florida
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then we weren't invited
anymore.
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That was the end
of our couples traveling
out of state every year.
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[narrator] Despite this,
Jeff decides to leave his home
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and contractor job in Kentucky
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to live with Deborah
in Oklahoma.
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[Deborah] He expressed
that he liked it here
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and we began to talk
about him moving.
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That was the next plan
that we talked about.
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I was just really committed,
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you know, we'll find work
for you.
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I was just all in,
really committed.
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I just felt so warm
in his presence, you know.
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I just felt such love
in my heart for him.
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I just felt such love
in my heart for him.
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[narrator] Three months
after they first met,
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Jeff arrives in Oklahoma
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and Deborah rushes
to the airport.
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He was a little late.
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So, he was already
off the plane and...
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and out
into the big common area,
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and his voice
was kind of shaking.
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And so, I was like,
I guess he's really scared,
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you know, I would be, too.
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He's... he's really taken
a big step...
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giving up everything.
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giving up everything.
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Of course, he's probably
a little frightened, you know.
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But I remember his voice
shaking a little bit...
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and he just said, "You're...
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you're gonna marry me.
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You are...
You're marrying me, right?"
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Looking back at that
very moment
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that he came here, it's...
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it's like the darkness
came in the door.
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[Katie] I was in horror.
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I... I couldn't speak.
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This is something
that you would see on 20/20.
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This doesn't happen to us.
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He was brilliant.
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He was brilliant.
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You know, an evil brilliant.
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[narrator] Deborah Proctor's
boyfriend, Jeff,
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has surprised her
with an impromptu proposal.
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{\an8}I wanted to be married
and I was very happy about it.
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We just wanted
a small, intimate ceremony
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in Eureka Springs
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a couple of hours from here.
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His son, little Jeff
and daughter-in-law came.
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I was so happy
to meet his family.
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Just... just thrilled.
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At the time,
Dustin, my oldest son,
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was living
in Fort Worth, Dallas,
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was living
in Fort Worth, Dallas,
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and he just said
they weren't able to make it.
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And so that...
that was a bit painful
to my heart.
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My youngest son, Derrick,
was there,
and he walked me down.
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It was April 23rd, 2000,
we married.
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That was two years to the date
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that we'd actually met
in person the first time.
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Jeff, he had the usual smile
and seemed...
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seemed to enjoy
and engage in the day.
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I just went right on
like I would normally go,
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except now I had a partner
and a husband to...
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to go with me.
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You know, immediately
I went to work trying
to help him get work,
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and a friend gave him a job,
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and he didn't keep that
longer than three days.
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He came home and he just said
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"that really wasn't
what I was looking for."
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And I was like, "Oh, well,
that's disappointing,
but it's okay.
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Well... well, something
will work out."
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[narrator] In March 2004,
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Jeff redeems himself
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when he lands
his best contract yet
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for a construction job
at a prison in North Carolina.
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I was very excited about it.
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I was just gonna give up
everything.
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I gave notice
of two or three months.
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[narrator] It's a big step
for Deborah,
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who is a hospital nurse
and the director
of a health care clinic.
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[phone ringing]
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[narrator] But just before
she's ready to leave,
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she gets a call from Jeff.
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[Deborah] And he said that
there was another contractor
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who got upset with Jeff
over something
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and kind of approached him
like he was gonna hit him.
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And Jeff said, "I told him,
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you're picking
on the wrong guy."
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He said, "He didn't stop.
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So, I took him out."
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He said, "I broke his teeth."
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He said,
"Deb, there's no tolerance.
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It doesn't matter
that he attacked me.
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There's just no tolerance."
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So, he lost that job.
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You know,
this was a great job.
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You know,
this was a great job.
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I was moving out there.
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I'd already given notice.
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I was gonna finish
a different degree at Duke.
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I was pretty excited.
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[narrator] Deborah resents
her notice
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but it's hard to turn
a blind eye to Jeff's
violent outburst.
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[Deborah] And at that point,
I was like, I don't...
I don't know.
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I think I'm just dying.
I can't.
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What is this work stuff?
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How can you mess this up?
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I talked
to my closest friend, Katie.
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I talked
to my closest friend, Katie.
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By this time,
everyone liked Jeff.
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They just felt like, you know,
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I needed help to pack him up
and move him home.
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That there wasn't anything
he could do
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if he was being attacked,
that he warned the guy.
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{\an8}I mean, we just made
excuses for him.
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That's what honest,
loving people do, I think,
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that can't see evil in people.
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Deb can't see evil in people.
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Deb can't see evil in people.
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[narrator] But the stressful
ordeal takes a physical toll
on Deborah.
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[Deborah]
And when we came back,
I was just deathly ill.
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But I'm such a...
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I'm such a fighter
and I push on.
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I just didn't pay attention.
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By the time we got home
late morning,
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I was like,
I... I can't breathe.
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You have to take me
into the hospital.
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And of course, I was a nurse
at the hospital at that time.
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So, the... the crowds
were gathering.
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You know, everyone
was very concerned.
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You know, everyone
was very concerned.
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[narrator] Everyone but Jeff,
who goes home.
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Deborah is so sick
with pneumonia
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that she's unaware
he's left her side.
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I ended up having
to go on life support.
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He was absent.
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He wasn't there.
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He never called.
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You know,
it was an hour by hour.
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Is she gonna make it?
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My husband would have been
right there by my bedside.
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[Deborah] I think
it was nine days
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and six or seven
on life support.
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My friends
were just furious...
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furious that he left me.
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When I kind of came around,
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they were all still very angry
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that he would just
walk out not knowing
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if I was gonna live or die.
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[narrator] Deb bounces back
quickly and forgives Jeff
for his absence,
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but her friends think
she should walk away
from the relationship.
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[Deborah] I didn't feel
like I was making excuses.
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I felt like
they just didn't understand.
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I felt like
they just didn't understand.
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[narrator] Over time,
most of Deborah's friends
forgive Jeff,
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who is suitably remorseful,
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and he finally settles
into his new life in Oklahoma.
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When he did locate employment,
it was typically good.
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He might have traveled
to Arkansas or Tulsa
or Bartlesville from here,
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but, you know,
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he made a good living
at times.
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[narrator] But before long,
another shoe drops.
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[Deborah] Somehow IRS bills
arrived and I was like,
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[Deborah] Somehow IRS bills
arrived and I was like,
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"What... what's this
about, Jeff?
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I didn't know
you owed thousands
of dollars to the IRS.
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You... you probably
should have told me that."
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And he said, "Well,
we're still fighting it."
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I was just angry.
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Oh, here was this
enormous tax bill
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that he didn't tell me
he owed.
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There wasn't any way
around it.
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We had to pay it.
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[narrator] In January 2003,
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Deborah and Jeff finally
receive welcome news.
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It's his mother Dot's
80th birthday,
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and they are invited
to a party
in Edmonton, Alberta.
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and they are invited
to a party
in Edmonton, Alberta.
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[Deborah] He'd been in my life
for...
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five years
and I'd never met anybody
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in his family
except little Jeff.
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So that's when we flew
to Canada
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for the birthday party.
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[narrator]
Jeff's Canadian family
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has a completely
different surname.
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Stan, not Walton.
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[Deborah] Jeff told me
that he was born in Alaska
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sometime in grade school,
that they moved to Canada,
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sometime in grade school,
that they moved to Canada,
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and that's why his name
was different.
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He had a different dad.
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But in 2003, when we went,
just his mother was alive.
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And I met his sister, Wendy.
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She's just got
to be a great human.
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And then his brothers,
two brothers, Alan and John.
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[narrator] Deborah
is also about to meet a man
named Dave Semple,
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a law enforcement officer
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who is attending the party
for Dorothy Stan as well.
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In 2003...
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{\an8}my mother called and said
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{\an8}that there was
an 80th birthday party...
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{\an8}for Dot and suggested that
I go up represent the family.
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The birthday party
was in an apartment building
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where his mother lived.
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By the time
I got there and...
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and got out of my car
and started walking
towards the building.
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And I saw two guys
walking towards me
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and I saw that...
that big toothy grin.
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But I recognized it
right away.
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I said, "Ronnie Stan,
that's got to be you."
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Well, here was
your closest friend
back in 1947,
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and he recognized me then
and gave me
a great big bear hug.
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And that's when he said,
"I'm not Ronnie Stan.
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My... my name is Jeff Walton."
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[narrator] If Dave looks
like he's seen a ghost,
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it's because the man
who Dave Semple knew
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was Ronnie Stan died
in a barn fire in 1977.
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was Ronnie Stan died
in a barn fire in 1977.
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There was a bunch of pigs
that were in the barn
that had died.
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The fire department
and the OPP
did an investigation.
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Everybody just assumed
that he had died
in the intense fire,
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it had just rendered
everything right to dust.
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[narrator] Now, Ronnie Stan
has risen from the dead
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with a different name,
Jeff Walton.
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But why is Jeff's family
keeping Deborah in the dark?
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[Tim] Double lives
are fascinating.
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We all wonder
if we've met somebody
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We all wonder
if we've met somebody
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who has some kind of
secret life behind them.
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00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:10,600
[Katie] I didn't want
to see it.
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I thought he was a good guy.
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[narrator] Three years
after marrying Jeff,
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Deborah Proctor finally meets
his mom
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at her 80th birthday party
in Canada.
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I was so happy
to meet his family.
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Just... just thrilled.
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{\an8}And we all just
hit it off famously.
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Um, I was happy to meet
Dave, a childhood friend.
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[narrator] She is unaware
that everyone at the party,
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including his family,
knows Jeff by another name
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and are colluding
to keep it from her.
448
00:20:45,667 --> 00:20:46,000
Jeff asks Dave
not to tell Deborah,
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and he obliges out of loyalty.
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{\an8}I'd always called him
Ron and...
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{\an8}and now all of a sudden,
I have to catch myself
and call him Jeff.
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So, I basically tried
not to call him
anything at all.
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There's not a lot of questions
running around in my head,
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but it wasn't time
to be asking anything
at that point
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and just sort of glad
to see him again.
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[narrator] She's so delighted
to meet Jeff's
Canadian family,
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Deborah doesn't notice
any awkwardness.
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00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:16,000
Deborah doesn't notice
any awkwardness.
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[Deborah] I had no idea. None.
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And they all called him Jeff.
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00:21:23,367 --> 00:21:25,900
His family is sick together.
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They were just happy
to have him back.
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Make the family
complete again.
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After talking to his mom
and to his brothers
and sisters
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on that very,
very first night...
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I... I was satisfied that
there was...
there was nothing that was...
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There was no wrongdoing.
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00:21:45,172 --> 00:21:45,200
There was no wrongdoing.
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He had simply disappeared.
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[narrator] But the story
of how Ronnie Stan
became a fugitive
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and what crimes
he may have committed
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while on the run
is far from simple.
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With Jeff's friends
and family know
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00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:04,000
and what Deborah
won't find out
for another ten years
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00:22:04,066 --> 00:22:06,467
is that back in 1977,
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00:22:06,467 --> 00:22:11,867
Ronnie Stan was married
to a woman named Gail
and had two children.
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{\an8}He was living
in southwestern Ontario
in the 1970s.
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{\an8}He was living
in southwestern Ontario
in the 1970s.
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He was working as a teacher
at Fanshawe College.
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He also had a farm,
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so he was working
on the farm at night
and by day he was teaching.
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He had become involved
with a student.
483
00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:33,467
It's not good to be involved
with a student at that...
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at any time, but especially
if you're married
with children.
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This student told her mother
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00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:42,300
that she was gonna marry
Ronald Stan.
487
00:22:42,367 --> 00:22:44,800
And her mother
phoned his mother
488
00:22:44,867 --> 00:22:45,172
and his mother told him,
"You're in big trouble.
489
00:22:45,172 --> 00:22:46,000
and his mother told him,
"You're in big trouble.
490
00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:50,700
She's from a very rich
and powerful family."
491
00:22:50,767 --> 00:22:54,867
So, on that day,
his whole world
was gonna come apart.
492
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
There just happened
to be a fire
493
00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:05,700
which presented
an opportunity.
494
00:23:08,266 --> 00:23:10,100
He's sitting there
in the field
495
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,100
and he can hear
his wife screaming
496
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,867
as she sees the barn burning,
497
00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:15,172
knowing that he was supposed
to be in there
feeding the pigs.
498
00:23:15,172 --> 00:23:16,000
knowing that he was supposed
to be in there
feeding the pigs.
499
00:23:17,367 --> 00:23:20,367
He had $3,000
that was in his pocket.
500
00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:22,867
And under the cover of night,
he hopped on a bus
501
00:23:22,867 --> 00:23:26,867
and crossed the border
and decided
to go to New Orleans.
502
00:23:26,867 --> 00:23:30,367
[narrator] Initially,
Ron's family presumes
that he died in the fire
503
00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:34,100
with the pigs and are unaware
that he now adopts
a new identity.
504
00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:42,567
[Tim] So, Ron Stan decided
to change his name
to Jeff Walton.
505
00:23:42,567 --> 00:23:45,172
Jeff was after the son
he abandoned in Ontario,
506
00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:46,000
Jeff was after the son
he abandoned in Ontario,
507
00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:49,000
and Walton was after
the television show
The Waltons
508
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,967
because he thought
it was a nice, friendly
American family name.
509
00:23:52,967 --> 00:23:55,266
And in his words,
he had to find
510
00:23:55,266 --> 00:23:59,000
someone with a little bit
of money to marry.
511
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,567
And the woman that
he found was Roseanne.
512
00:24:02,567 --> 00:24:05,467
He described her
as a beautiful young woman
513
00:24:05,467 --> 00:24:09,367
from a well-to-do family
in New Orleans.
514
00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:13,767
[narrator] Jeff tells Roseanne
his family died
in a plane crash in Alaska.
515
00:24:13,767 --> 00:24:15,172
But when the two start talking
marriage the following year,
516
00:24:15,172 --> 00:24:16,000
But when the two start talking
marriage the following year,
517
00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:18,100
there's a snag.
518
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:23,367
[Tim] Jeff Walton,
he didn't have
a birth certificate.
519
00:24:23,367 --> 00:24:24,767
So, they went
to another county
520
00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:26,266
where you didn't need
a birth certificate
521
00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:28,767
to get a marriage license
and they got married there.
522
00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:36,667
And he was clearly
still married to Gail,
his Canadian wife.
523
00:24:38,767 --> 00:24:41,066
[Dave] He told me that
he wound up getting married
524
00:24:41,066 --> 00:24:44,567
and having a child
with her, little Jeff.
525
00:24:46,767 --> 00:24:49,467
[Tim] My first impression
of Roseanne was
526
00:24:49,467 --> 00:24:51,500
she seemed like
a very nice woman
527
00:24:51,567 --> 00:24:55,367
who had
a very bad relationship
with Jeff Walton.
528
00:24:55,367 --> 00:24:57,600
In her words, she said
he could charm a snake.
529
00:24:57,667 --> 00:24:59,567
[sirens blaring]
530
00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:03,066
[Tim] Roseanne got
in some kind of a car accident
531
00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:04,300
with a commercial vehicle,
532
00:25:04,367 --> 00:25:08,867
and there was a lawsuit
with a settlement of $500,000.
533
00:25:08,867 --> 00:25:11,567
Roseanne said that
Jeff spent a lot of money
534
00:25:11,567 --> 00:25:15,172
on booze and women
and partying in New Orleans.
535
00:25:15,172 --> 00:25:15,767
on booze and women
and partying in New Orleans.
536
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:18,967
[Dave] He wound up
divorcing her.
537
00:25:18,967 --> 00:25:21,000
And she said then he...
538
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,767
he wound up marrying
a Playboy bunny.
539
00:25:24,567 --> 00:25:26,066
And again, I... I...
540
00:25:26,066 --> 00:25:28,967
I figured, well, that's...
really? And...
541
00:25:28,967 --> 00:25:30,200
But that turned out
to be true.
542
00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,000
[Tim] Jeff Walton's
second wife
543
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,667
or Ron Stan's third wife
is Holly Kelley.
544
00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:41,166
{\an8}I was in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana,
545
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:44,166
{\an8}and Playboy
came into town.
546
00:25:45,867 --> 00:25:46,000
And I wanted to get
into Playboy.
547
00:25:49,567 --> 00:25:52,367
I thought it was very classy
548
00:25:52,367 --> 00:25:54,266
and I didn't see
anything wrong with it.
549
00:25:56,066 --> 00:25:58,967
They ended up taking
about 5000 pictures of me,
550
00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:02,700
which I always wondered
what in the world happened
to the negatives?
551
00:26:02,767 --> 00:26:06,166
[narrator] Holly's living
in New Orleans in the 1990s.
552
00:26:06,166 --> 00:26:09,100
When her friends say
there is someone
they'd like her to meet.
553
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,266
Jeff was charming.
We hit it off great.
554
00:26:14,467 --> 00:26:15,172
He had everything
that you could ever imagine.
555
00:26:15,172 --> 00:26:16,000
He had everything
that you could ever imagine.
556
00:26:16,767 --> 00:26:19,867
You know, I mean,
he had the looks,
he had the charm.
557
00:26:19,867 --> 00:26:21,567
He had money.
558
00:26:21,567 --> 00:26:23,367
You know, that helps.
559
00:26:23,367 --> 00:26:25,467
[narrator] Holly knows
her new boyfriend, Jeff,
560
00:26:25,467 --> 00:26:27,467
is still technically married,
561
00:26:27,467 --> 00:26:31,000
but Jeff no longer lives
with Roseanne and little Jeff.
562
00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:32,500
What Holly doesn't know
563
00:26:32,567 --> 00:26:35,200
is if he has
any other living relatives,
564
00:26:35,266 --> 00:26:37,567
including other wives.
565
00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:39,567
[Tim] I know that Jeff started
reaching out to his family
566
00:26:39,567 --> 00:26:41,667
in Canada in the early '90s.
567
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,867
I don't know
if they were actively
searching for him.
568
00:26:43,867 --> 00:26:45,100
He had been declared dead.
569
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,967
[narrator] In 1993,
570
00:26:47,967 --> 00:26:51,000
Jeff divorces Roseanne
and marries Holly.
571
00:26:52,166 --> 00:26:53,900
[Holly] It was a beautiful,
beautiful wedding.
572
00:26:53,967 --> 00:26:55,100
Beautiful day.
573
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,300
I did want to marry Jeff
beyond a shadow of a doubt.
574
00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:00,266
I mean,
I... I loved Jeff.
575
00:27:00,266 --> 00:27:02,867
I mean, he really
was a great guy.
576
00:27:02,867 --> 00:27:05,500
None of us knew
that he had just been lying
577
00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:08,467
about his entire life
the whole time.
578
00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:11,867
I mean, we just totally fell
for what he was telling us.
579
00:27:11,867 --> 00:27:15,172
He would do anything for me
except tell the truth.
580
00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:15,266
He would do anything for me
except tell the truth.
581
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:16,000
Yeah.
582
00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:18,667
He told my father
583
00:27:18,667 --> 00:27:20,900
that he was in Vietnam.
584
00:27:20,967 --> 00:27:24,166
I guess it was to impress
my father
585
00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:27,467
because my father was a marine
in World War II, Iwo Jima.
586
00:27:27,467 --> 00:27:31,300
You question yourself
because you think...
587
00:27:33,066 --> 00:27:35,467
"You know, am I nuts?"
[laughs]
588
00:27:36,867 --> 00:27:39,166
He was very, very smart.
589
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,166
He would cover it up somehow.
590
00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:43,367
Somehow he would just...
591
00:27:43,367 --> 00:27:45,172
he would make it believable.
592
00:27:45,172 --> 00:27:45,266
he would make it believable.
593
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:49,300
[narrator]
And Holly did believe in Jeff
594
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:51,200
until the day the phone rang.
595
00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:53,000
And it was a call from Canada.
596
00:27:54,667 --> 00:27:56,867
[Holly] His brother called
and said,
597
00:27:56,867 --> 00:27:58,867
"You know, we've been
looking for... for Jeff."
598
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,166
And when he got home
from work,
599
00:28:02,166 --> 00:28:04,266
"Hey, somebody called and said
600
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,567
they were your family
from Canada."
601
00:28:06,567 --> 00:28:09,700
And, you know, and his face
turned white as a sheet.
602
00:28:09,767 --> 00:28:12,200
And I thought
maybe he murdered someone.
603
00:28:12,266 --> 00:28:15,172
What was so horrible that
you would have to do this?
604
00:28:15,172 --> 00:28:16,000
What was so horrible that
you would have to do this?
605
00:28:16,567 --> 00:28:17,667
It's just...
606
00:28:18,967 --> 00:28:20,500
No words.
607
00:28:24,467 --> 00:28:27,900
[narrator] In 1990,
Jeff Walton's third wife,
Holly Kelley,
608
00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:30,467
learns that everything
he told her and her parents
609
00:28:30,467 --> 00:28:33,266
about his life is a lie.
610
00:28:33,266 --> 00:28:36,400
{\an8}I had to go tell my mother
and father all of this
611
00:28:36,467 --> 00:28:41,000
{\an8}that this guy that
they thought was Jeff Walton,
his name is Ron Stan.
612
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,166
The question is, is where
do you take it from there?
613
00:28:44,166 --> 00:28:47,600
I knew at that point that
it was over and he did, too.
614
00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:52,867
[narrator] More than
20 years later,
615
00:28:52,867 --> 00:28:53,000
[narrator] More than
20 years later,
616
00:28:53,367 --> 00:28:56,100
his fourth wife,
Deborah Proctor,
617
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,667
remains ignorant of his past.
618
00:28:58,667 --> 00:29:02,567
But a lifetime of lies seems
to be catching up with Jeff.
619
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400
Jeff had had a number
of hospitalizations,
620
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:08,000
{\an8}one was hemorrhaging.
621
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,066
{\an8}And they felt like
he had bladder cancer.
622
00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:11,600
{\an8}And I never left his side.
623
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,166
And then he said,
"Deb, I'm not feeling right.
624
00:29:15,166 --> 00:29:17,567
I... My eyesight's
really blurry.
625
00:29:17,567 --> 00:29:20,000
I'm not making sense
with my words."
626
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,867
And I took him in
and he had had a stroke.
627
00:29:22,867 --> 00:29:23,000
And I took him in
and he had had a stroke.
628
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,600
So, I was just trying
to pay for everything.
629
00:29:28,166 --> 00:29:30,166
[narrator] On the verge
of bankruptcy,
630
00:29:30,166 --> 00:29:35,266
Deborah asks Jeff to access
his veteran's health benefits,
but he refuses.
631
00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:38,200
I said, "You don't understand.
632
00:29:38,266 --> 00:29:39,467
We have nothing left."
633
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:42,767
And that's when
he informed me,
634
00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:45,367
"I'm not going
to the Veterans for Care.
635
00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:49,667
And besides that,
I was in Special Forces.
636
00:29:49,667 --> 00:29:52,266
I did have
a dishonorable discharge."
637
00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:52,867
And so, they're not
even gonna have a list of me
at the Veterans.
638
00:29:52,867 --> 00:29:53,000
And so, they're not
even gonna have a list of me
at the Veterans.
639
00:29:55,567 --> 00:29:58,600
They're not gonna see me
and I'm not going anyway.
640
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,667
And I remember at the time
641
00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:03,367
feeling like my throat
was closing
642
00:30:03,367 --> 00:30:04,667
and my heart was heavy.
643
00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:07,667
And I thought,
something's not right.
644
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,467
It's just not right.
645
00:30:11,467 --> 00:30:15,300
I thought maybe I should get
a private investigator.
646
00:30:15,367 --> 00:30:16,400
Anyway, I didn't.
647
00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:20,467
I do think
it... it was about that time
648
00:30:20,467 --> 00:30:22,867
that I did go into
what I would say
is a severe depression.
649
00:30:22,867 --> 00:30:23,000
that I did go into
what I would say
is a severe depression.
650
00:30:24,266 --> 00:30:25,567
I was sad.
651
00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:27,400
I'd be somewhere in the house
by myself,
652
00:30:27,467 --> 00:30:30,867
but just sobbing
and crying and just saying,
653
00:30:30,867 --> 00:30:32,000
"I hate my life."
654
00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:40,567
August 1st, 2014,
655
00:30:40,567 --> 00:30:43,867
I was just in my office
and my phone rang
656
00:30:43,867 --> 00:30:47,100
and I picked up
this particular phone call.
657
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,800
And he identified himself,
his badge numbers.
658
00:30:50,867 --> 00:30:52,867
He said he was in OPP,
659
00:30:52,867 --> 00:30:53,000
He said he was in OPP,
660
00:30:53,066 --> 00:30:55,900
Ontario Provincial Police.
661
00:30:55,967 --> 00:30:58,900
He said, "Well,
we have reason to believe
662
00:30:58,967 --> 00:31:01,567
that you're married
to Ron Stan.
663
00:31:01,567 --> 00:31:05,367
We have reason to believe
that he is a man
664
00:31:05,367 --> 00:31:10,900
that burned his place down
37 years ago.
665
00:31:12,967 --> 00:31:18,400
And left a newborn son
and a toddler and a wife."
666
00:31:18,467 --> 00:31:21,667
I was in so much shock,
disbelief.
667
00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:22,867
And when we hung up,
I called my friends.
668
00:31:22,867 --> 00:31:23,000
And when we hung up,
I called my friends.
669
00:31:24,367 --> 00:31:25,800
They said,
"Oh, for God's sake,
670
00:31:25,867 --> 00:31:27,767
you know, your life
is probably in danger.
671
00:31:27,767 --> 00:31:30,066
And we have to go out
to the Cherokee Nation
Marshal Service
672
00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:31,967
and we have to get some help."
673
00:31:31,967 --> 00:31:33,467
So that's what we did.
674
00:31:33,467 --> 00:31:35,266
She was really confused.
675
00:31:35,266 --> 00:31:36,800
{\an8}This man
that she had been with
676
00:31:36,867 --> 00:31:39,867
{\an8}for at least 14, 15 years
677
00:31:39,867 --> 00:31:43,667
was possibly not the man
he'd been saying he was.
678
00:31:43,667 --> 00:31:45,700
I contact Canada.
679
00:31:45,767 --> 00:31:50,166
I spoke to a female officer
and she said, yes.
680
00:31:50,166 --> 00:31:52,667
We opened up cold cases
681
00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:52,867
and we came across his
682
00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:53,000
and we came across his
683
00:31:54,066 --> 00:31:55,934
and started working
on it again.
684
00:31:55,934 --> 00:31:59,967
[narrator] The officer said
they found him by examining
the social media pages
685
00:31:59,967 --> 00:32:01,867
of his various family members.
686
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,867
[Shawnna] And we were shocked
687
00:32:04,867 --> 00:32:06,900
that we actually found him
on Facebook.
688
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:10,567
They explained that the reason
689
00:32:10,567 --> 00:32:15,000
why he went missing was
there was a barn fire.
690
00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:18,166
And apparently,
he was in the barn fire.
691
00:32:18,166 --> 00:32:20,767
But they've never found
any remains.
692
00:32:20,767 --> 00:32:22,867
The case just
kind of set for years
693
00:32:22,867 --> 00:32:23,000
The case just
kind of set for years
694
00:32:23,467 --> 00:32:25,500
because they had no clue
695
00:32:25,567 --> 00:32:28,367
and nothing
ever surfaced again.
696
00:32:28,367 --> 00:32:30,166
And they asked me
at that time, they said,
697
00:32:30,166 --> 00:32:34,967
"If you don't mind,
could you interview him
and see what he says?"
698
00:32:34,967 --> 00:32:38,467
We're trying to figure out
if this is him or not.
699
00:32:38,467 --> 00:32:41,800
[narrator] Shawnna drives
to the medical facility
where Jeff is staying
700
00:32:41,867 --> 00:32:43,800
while he recovers
from his stroke
701
00:32:43,867 --> 00:32:45,467
and meets him
in a private room.
702
00:32:46,767 --> 00:32:48,700
[Shawnna] I proceeded
on to explain to him
703
00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:52,867
that I had received a call
from Canada police.
704
00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:56,200
So, I eventually told him,
I was like,
705
00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:58,200
"Do you at least have
your birth certificate?
706
00:32:58,266 --> 00:33:00,900
Do you have
your birth certificate
so I can see?"
707
00:33:00,967 --> 00:33:03,367
And he said, "Yes."
And I said,
"Well, where's it at?"
708
00:33:03,367 --> 00:33:06,767
'Well, I don't know.
I... I can't remember where."
709
00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:09,100
And I said,
"Well, that's okay."
710
00:33:09,166 --> 00:33:10,467
I said,
"I'll ask my dispatcher
711
00:33:10,467 --> 00:33:13,867
to get a copy
of your birth certificate."
712
00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:16,100
And he looked at me.
713
00:33:16,166 --> 00:33:17,567
He just started grinning.
714
00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:20,667
So, you got me, didn't you?
715
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:22,867
And I said, "You have kids
and a wife in Canada."
716
00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:23,000
And I said, "You have kids
and a wife in Canada."
717
00:33:26,967 --> 00:33:28,467
And he said, "Yes, I do."
718
00:33:28,467 --> 00:33:32,900
Here he was using
a deceased individual's
Social Security number
719
00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:36,266
and was getting
Oklahoma benefits
720
00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:40,567
of the Social Security number
for at least 20 years.
721
00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:41,800
He was a very good con.
722
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,166
I felt so sorry for Deb.
723
00:33:47,166 --> 00:33:49,300
Once I got the confession
from him.
724
00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:51,967
Wasn't any getting around it.
725
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,467
That was the truth.
726
00:33:56,467 --> 00:33:57,767
Just shocking.
727
00:33:57,767 --> 00:34:00,066
I just didn't...
728
00:34:00,066 --> 00:34:03,166
I didn't imagine
anything like this.
729
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,400
I couldn't talk to Jeff.
730
00:34:04,467 --> 00:34:06,166
What... what was I gonna say?
731
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:07,767
You... you're a liar?
732
00:34:07,767 --> 00:34:10,100
But, you know, I had to plan.
733
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,800
I mean, how am I
gonna tell my boys?
734
00:34:11,867 --> 00:34:14,000
How am I gonna tell his boy?
735
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,767
{\an8}She was very, very upset.
736
00:34:15,767 --> 00:34:18,100
{\an8}And I could certainly
understand why.
737
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:22,867
[Deborah] I was grateful
for my friends.
738
00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:22,900
[Deborah] I was grateful
for my friends.
739
00:34:22,967 --> 00:34:23,000
And we just started
making plans.
740
00:34:24,867 --> 00:34:26,567
Oh, we got to go to the bank.
741
00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:28,300
We've got to get
with your attorney.
742
00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:32,800
We were able to get
a quick claim deed
and a quick divorce.
743
00:34:32,867 --> 00:34:37,767
And our Tribe's domestic
violence program helped me.
744
00:34:37,767 --> 00:34:40,600
They helped serve the papers
'cause I just couldn't do it.
745
00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:45,867
[narrator] Jeff Jr. agrees
to take custody of his father.
746
00:34:45,867 --> 00:34:49,066
It was just really angry.
747
00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:52,867
I was frightened
at this point that, you know,
748
00:34:52,867 --> 00:34:53,000
I was frightened
at this point that, you know,
749
00:34:53,266 --> 00:34:54,667
he might hurt us
750
00:34:56,266 --> 00:34:59,100
'cause now I'd learned
he burned a place down.
751
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:00,767
[Katie] It was
just a nightmare.
752
00:35:00,767 --> 00:35:02,667
And you feel so stupid.
753
00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:04,500
{\an8}The time I spent with him
wasn't...
754
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,166
{\an8}was not quality time.
755
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,000
{\an8}It was all fake time.
756
00:35:09,066 --> 00:35:10,567
I just hated him.
757
00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,867
[Deborah] I'm at home alone,
758
00:35:13,867 --> 00:35:17,200
in my bedroom when I got
the call that they had left.
759
00:35:17,266 --> 00:35:18,867
Telephone,
and they were on the road.
760
00:35:20,567 --> 00:35:22,867
People talk about
spiritual awakenings
761
00:35:22,867 --> 00:35:23,000
People talk about
spiritual awakenings
762
00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:26,667
or a burning bush moment
or something.
763
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:29,700
For me, it...
it was absolutely that moment.
764
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,767
I realized I couldn't get up.
765
00:35:33,767 --> 00:35:35,000
I couldn't move.
766
00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:37,367
And then I thought, "Dear God,
767
00:35:37,367 --> 00:35:39,767
if you can just get me up
on my feet,
768
00:35:39,767 --> 00:35:42,000
I will not only survive,
769
00:35:42,066 --> 00:35:45,400
but I will always remember
to help others."
770
00:35:45,467 --> 00:35:48,166
It was just
a profound understanding
771
00:35:48,166 --> 00:35:52,867
of what I've been through
and what I had yet to do.
772
00:35:52,867 --> 00:35:53,000
of what I've been through
and what I had yet to do.
773
00:35:53,567 --> 00:35:54,900
[Dave] I think
it was a couple of days
774
00:35:54,967 --> 00:35:57,767
after that I had
a conversation with Jeff.
775
00:35:57,767 --> 00:36:02,000
I think he was kind
of somewhat relieved
about the whole thing
776
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,100
coming out in the open
after all these years.
777
00:36:04,166 --> 00:36:07,100
An Ontario man
who went missing in the '70s
778
00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:09,667
and was declared dead
in the '80s
779
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,600
has been found in
the United States alive.
780
00:36:12,667 --> 00:36:17,967
Police say the 69 year old
has been living in Oklahoma
under a different name.
781
00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:21,100
Once it came out,
it just snowballed.
782
00:36:21,166 --> 00:36:22,467
[narrator] Deborah is about
to learn
783
00:36:22,467 --> 00:36:22,867
the full extent
of Jeff's lies,
784
00:36:22,867 --> 00:36:23,000
the full extent
of Jeff's lies,
785
00:36:24,967 --> 00:36:28,300
and it makes her ordeal
even more unbearable.
786
00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:30,667
And that's when I learned
about all the lies.
787
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,800
[narrator] For 37 years,
788
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:40,800
Ronald Stan has been living
under a fake identity
in the US.
789
00:36:40,867 --> 00:36:42,367
In 2014,
790
00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:46,266
the Ontario Police issue
a press release
about the case.
791
00:36:46,266 --> 00:36:49,266
[Tim] This story landed
on my desk
792
00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:52,800
{\an8}and it said,
"A man named Ronald Stan,
793
00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:55,767
{\an8}who was missing in 1977,
794
00:36:55,767 --> 00:36:59,467
has been found
alive and well
in the United States."
795
00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:01,600
Which was a crazy story.
Like what...
796
00:37:01,667 --> 00:37:03,467
what happened there?
797
00:37:03,467 --> 00:37:04,108
[narrator] Tim Alamenciak
finds Jeff in New Orleans,
798
00:37:04,108 --> 00:37:05,000
[narrator] Tim Alamenciak
finds Jeff in New Orleans,
799
00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:09,867
where he is now living
with his son Jeff Jr.
800
00:37:09,867 --> 00:37:12,567
And he agrees to an interview.
801
00:37:12,567 --> 00:37:16,166
[Tim] He had this
kind of unmistakable charm
802
00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:18,467
that I could see
disarming somebody.
803
00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:22,667
Every successive wife
would eventually find out
804
00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:24,300
about his past,
805
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,700
um, and his stories
would just fall apart
806
00:37:26,767 --> 00:37:28,000
and wouldn't quite
hang together.
807
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,700
But he had this capacity
to charm people off the hop
808
00:37:31,767 --> 00:37:34,108
and to get people
to kind of not dig deeper
into his history.
809
00:37:34,108 --> 00:37:35,000
and to get people
to kind of not dig deeper
into his history.
810
00:37:38,266 --> 00:37:41,367
[Holly] He just
was a pathological liar.
811
00:37:41,367 --> 00:37:45,300
{\an8}Only a narcissist person
could do something
like that to...
812
00:37:45,367 --> 00:37:47,066
to make people think
you're dead
813
00:37:47,066 --> 00:37:50,367
and to leave your children
and never call them.
814
00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:53,467
I don't think
he was actually
a very good liar.
815
00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:58,166
And that's evidenced
by how his story fell apart
along the way.
816
00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:01,100
And when you look into it
and when you talk to people,
817
00:38:01,166 --> 00:38:03,867
his family knew
that he was alive.
818
00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:04,108
His... his brother had contact
with him on Facebook.
819
00:38:04,108 --> 00:38:05,000
His... his brother had contact
with him on Facebook.
820
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,867
[narrator]
Even his Canadian wife, Gail,
821
00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:15,166
eventually found out
about his lies in 1998
822
00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:17,467
when he shows up
at his dad's funeral.
823
00:38:18,667 --> 00:38:21,700
[Tim] He said that
his wife was at the funeral
824
00:38:21,767 --> 00:38:23,800
and that
she wouldn't even look at him.
825
00:38:23,867 --> 00:38:27,500
As far as I know,
he never spoke
with Gail again.
826
00:38:27,567 --> 00:38:31,667
[narrator]
Ron had been declared
legally dead in 1986
827
00:38:31,667 --> 00:38:34,108
and Gail had received
an insurance payout.
828
00:38:34,108 --> 00:38:34,500
and Gail had received
an insurance payout.
829
00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:35,000
{\an8}[Dave] He... he explained
to me later on that
insurance money
830
00:38:37,266 --> 00:38:39,066
{\an8}that his first wife had got,
831
00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:40,767
{\an8}once he contacted her,
832
00:38:40,767 --> 00:38:44,467
{\an8}she was quite PO'd
about the whole thing and...
833
00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:48,367
and paid the money back
to the insurance company, so.
834
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:51,000
So there's no fraud
or anything there.
835
00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:52,767
[Tim] His father's funeral
may have been a time
836
00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:57,400
when he realized
that he can't undo
what he did in 1977.
837
00:38:57,467 --> 00:39:00,467
And so, in reaction to that,
838
00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:04,108
that might have been
what spurred looking
for another new life.
839
00:39:04,108 --> 00:39:04,266
that might have been
what spurred looking
for another new life.
840
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:08,166
[narrator] Deborah never talks
to Jeff again.
841
00:39:09,367 --> 00:39:11,200
[Deborah] I was sitting
in one of the airports
842
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:14,166
and he... I saw
that he was calling
843
00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:16,266
and it just went
to voicemail
844
00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:18,400
and he said that
he had forgiven me
845
00:39:18,467 --> 00:39:20,100
for everything
I'd done to him.
846
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,100
And at this point
I was just done.
847
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,100
I just could
hardly even react,
848
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,000
you know,
I just couldn't stand him.
849
00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:32,100
[narrator] Months later,
Deborah speaks
to his old friend Dave Semple,
850
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,108
who explains
why he never told
her the truth.
851
00:39:34,108 --> 00:39:34,700
who explains
why he never told
her the truth.
852
00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:40,567
He just explained that,
you know, we had a good life.
853
00:39:40,567 --> 00:39:42,166
We seemed happy,
854
00:39:42,166 --> 00:39:45,367
and they just
did not feel like
855
00:39:45,367 --> 00:39:48,100
it was their place
to fly in here
856
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,600
and tell me everything
and destroy my life.
857
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:58,767
I myself submitted letters
to HHS, Fraud Abuse.
858
00:39:58,767 --> 00:40:00,767
I think I wrote
three different divisions
859
00:40:00,767 --> 00:40:03,000
of Medicare
and Social Security
860
00:40:03,066 --> 00:40:04,108
and let them know
who Jeff really was.
861
00:40:04,108 --> 00:40:05,000
and let them know
who Jeff really was.
862
00:40:07,066 --> 00:40:11,667
And as far as I know,
you know,
nobody ever pursued it.
863
00:40:11,667 --> 00:40:14,900
[narrator] Jeff never faces
criminal charges for arson,
864
00:40:14,967 --> 00:40:19,066
identity theft, bigamy
or any of his misadventures,
865
00:40:19,066 --> 00:40:22,400
but his life goes downhill
after his divorce
from Deborah.
866
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,166
{\an8}I don't know
what happened there,
867
00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:28,567
{\an8}but he wound up, I think,
living almost a homeless life
for a while.
868
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:32,600
And then he...
869
00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:34,108
the next day
I heard from little Jeff.
870
00:40:34,108 --> 00:40:35,000
the next day
I heard from little Jeff.
871
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:40,100
And that, I think
it was 2019 that that...
872
00:40:40,166 --> 00:40:41,767
that his dad
had just passed away.
873
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:56,667
[narrator] Jeff may have left
behind a trail
of damaged lives,
874
00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:59,467
but Deborah
transcended his betrayal,
875
00:40:59,467 --> 00:41:01,100
although it took her
some time.
876
00:41:02,667 --> 00:41:04,108
[Deborah] I just went
through a lot of periods
of just being
877
00:41:04,108 --> 00:41:05,000
[Deborah] I just went
through a lot of periods
of just being
878
00:41:05,867 --> 00:41:07,700
furious, angry...
879
00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:11,767
turned it on myself sometimes,
880
00:41:11,767 --> 00:41:13,400
you know, how could you?
881
00:41:13,467 --> 00:41:19,667
Ah, and then resentful
at all the best years
of my life
882
00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:20,800
I'd spent with him.
883
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:26,500
The job that I've moved into,
884
00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:30,667
it is the focus entirely
is domestic abuse,
885
00:41:30,667 --> 00:41:34,100
family abuse,
particularly women,
but families.
886
00:41:36,066 --> 00:41:37,667
I'm a director of a program
887
00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:40,100
that that's our total focus.
888
00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:43,667
{\an8}And I feel like
it's fulfilling a commitment
I made
889
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:45,667
{\an8}right after this happened
890
00:41:45,667 --> 00:41:49,667
{\an8}that I would always help
others in this situation.
891
00:41:49,667 --> 00:41:52,700
{\an8}Because we can go
on to not only survive,
we can live.
892
00:41:53,767 --> 00:41:55,667
{\an8}And I feel like I live.
893
00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:57,400
{\an8}Not just a survivor, I live.
894
00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:00,667
{\an8}That's what I would want
895
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,500
{\an8}for others.
896
00:42:02,567 --> 00:42:04,100
{\an8}We're warrior women.
897
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:04,108
{\an8}We're very strong.
898
00:42:04,108 --> 00:42:05,000
{\an8}We're very strong.