1 00:00:01,367 --> 00:00:03,567 [narrator] When a nurse from the Cherokee Nation 2 00:00:03,567 --> 00:00:06,266 meets a charming Southern gentleman, sparks fly. 3 00:00:06,266 --> 00:00:08,367 He was a golfer. He was a pilot. 4 00:00:08,367 --> 00:00:10,567 He'd gone to Ohio State 5 00:00:10,567 --> 00:00:13,166 and played football with Woody Hayes. 6 00:00:13,166 --> 00:00:15,467 [narrator] But is it all smoke and mirrors? 7 00:00:16,767 --> 00:00:20,400 My husband says I'm not real sure about that guy. 8 00:00:20,467 --> 00:00:23,667 I was in horror. I couldn't speak. 9 00:00:23,667 --> 00:00:26,400 This is something that you would see on 20/20. 10 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:28,400 This doesn't happen to us. 11 00:00:28,467 --> 00:00:30,000 [narrator] Questions about his past 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,166 [narrator] Questions about his past 13 00:00:30,166 --> 00:00:31,000 come back to haunt Deborah Proctor. 14 00:00:32,767 --> 00:00:37,400 The reason why he went missing was there was a barn fire. 15 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:39,767 They never found any remains. 16 00:00:39,767 --> 00:00:41,567 [Holly] He would do anything for me. 17 00:00:41,567 --> 00:00:43,700 And I thought maybe he murdered someone. 18 00:00:43,767 --> 00:00:46,100 [Deborah] I was afraid he would burn the place down. 19 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:47,867 I was frightened at this point. 20 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:50,367 [narrator] And when a cold case is reopened, 21 00:00:50,367 --> 00:00:53,667 Debra's marriage goes up in flames. 22 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:56,300 It was just a nightmare. 23 00:00:56,367 --> 00:00:58,000 [Deborah] It was like, "Who are you? 24 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:00,000 How have you done these things?" 25 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 How have you done these things?" 26 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:24,667 {\an8}Tahlequah is the... 27 00:01:24,667 --> 00:01:27,166 {\an8}the heart of the Cherokee Reservation. 28 00:01:27,166 --> 00:01:30,000 My father was originally sent here in early '30s. 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 My father was originally sent here in early '30s. 30 00:01:31,567 --> 00:01:34,266 He and his siblings were sent to boarding school. 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,700 I personally have lived at four boarding schools 32 00:01:39,767 --> 00:01:43,767 and most of my years were spent at Seneca Indian School. 33 00:01:43,767 --> 00:01:45,467 [narrator] Deborah does well in school 34 00:01:45,467 --> 00:01:48,200 and graduates from nursing college. 35 00:01:48,266 --> 00:01:50,667 She then goes back to work in her community. 36 00:01:52,567 --> 00:01:53,800 [Shawnna] Everybody knows Deb. 37 00:01:53,867 --> 00:01:55,467 She's always out in the public. 38 00:01:55,467 --> 00:01:58,500 {\an8}Very kind, very sweet, always, 39 00:01:58,567 --> 00:02:00,000 {\an8}I mean, always out to help anybody and everybody. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 {\an8}I mean, always out to help anybody and everybody. 41 00:02:01,367 --> 00:02:04,066 {\an8}You know, she's a very good hearted lady. 42 00:02:04,066 --> 00:02:05,900 {\an8}[Deborah] I'm very active in my community. 43 00:02:05,967 --> 00:02:08,600 And it's just a celebration of... 44 00:02:08,667 --> 00:02:09,867 of the Cherokee, 45 00:02:09,867 --> 00:02:14,400 can be community activities, friendships, concerts, 46 00:02:14,467 --> 00:02:16,266 might be birthdays. 47 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:18,100 There are the powwows. 48 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:20,100 There's the parade. 49 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:23,767 There's tournaments, softball, golf. 50 00:02:23,767 --> 00:02:25,166 We love golf. 51 00:02:25,166 --> 00:02:28,367 I've been playing golf a while for years and years. 52 00:02:32,467 --> 00:02:35,900 [narrator] Deborah has spent almost her entire life on the reservation 53 00:02:35,967 --> 00:02:40,100 and even married and then divorced a local non-native man. 54 00:02:40,166 --> 00:02:43,667 In 1998, she's single with two sons 55 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:46,266 when she decides to broaden her horizons 56 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:48,667 by posting a dating profile online. 57 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,600 [Deborah] I had hoped for a long-term relationship. 58 00:02:52,667 --> 00:02:54,367 I wasn't looking to move, 59 00:02:54,367 --> 00:02:57,767 but if someone was free to move here, 60 00:02:57,767 --> 00:02:59,767 that was an option for me. 61 00:02:59,767 --> 00:03:00,000 I met a... a number of gentlemen, 62 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I met a... a number of gentlemen, 63 00:03:02,367 --> 00:03:06,500 but the one that seemed the most appealing to me, 64 00:03:06,567 --> 00:03:08,166 his name was Jeff Walton. 65 00:03:09,967 --> 00:03:14,667 Jeff's profile shared of all the things he had done in his life. 66 00:03:14,667 --> 00:03:16,867 He was a golfer, he was a pilot, 67 00:03:16,867 --> 00:03:21,266 was a project manager for large industry, construction. 68 00:03:21,266 --> 00:03:23,600 He'd gone to Ohio State 69 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:25,867 and played football with Woody Hayes. 70 00:03:27,166 --> 00:03:28,266 [phone ringing] 71 00:03:28,266 --> 00:03:29,867 [narrator] They exchanged messages 72 00:03:29,867 --> 00:03:30,000 and he tells her that he had been married 73 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 and he tells her that he had been married 74 00:03:31,367 --> 00:03:34,166 and divorced once and has one son. 75 00:03:34,166 --> 00:03:38,967 When they finally talk on the phone, Deborah is charmed. 76 00:03:38,967 --> 00:03:43,467 [Deborah] His favorite word was darlin' in a New Orleans accent. 77 00:03:43,467 --> 00:03:45,100 I just thought that was amazing. 78 00:03:45,166 --> 00:03:47,667 [laughs] 79 00:03:47,667 --> 00:03:51,166 When he began to talk about Native American music, 80 00:03:51,166 --> 00:03:52,667 I think I was just gone. 81 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:55,000 At that point, I was like, "This guy really gets me." 82 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,900 [narrator] Three months into their online relationship, 83 00:03:58,967 --> 00:04:00,000 Jeff tells Deborah the business is bringing him to Oklahoma. 84 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Jeff tells Deborah the business is bringing him to Oklahoma. 85 00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:03,867 It's time to meet. 86 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,867 I had a big event planned. 87 00:04:07,867 --> 00:04:10,400 Was having my family over and I was having dinner 88 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:12,567 and I'd fix dessert and, you know, 89 00:04:12,567 --> 00:04:14,867 just doing a h... home welcome. 90 00:04:14,867 --> 00:04:16,367 Here's my family. 91 00:04:16,367 --> 00:04:19,767 Welcome to Tahlequah, that kind of thing. 92 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:22,567 But everyone came but Jeff. 93 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,967 [narrator] Jeff is a no show. 94 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:28,567 [Deborah] Well, I was sick of my stomach. 95 00:04:30,367 --> 00:04:31,000 And then he reached out in an email, 96 00:04:33,867 --> 00:04:37,266 and that's when he explained what all had happened. 97 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:41,000 His mother had called him home to Canada. 98 00:04:42,266 --> 00:04:45,200 His brother John was missing. 99 00:04:45,266 --> 00:04:49,000 The family was worried about him and he just had to go home. 100 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:53,900 I just felt such compassion for them that he was missing. 101 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:00,000 {\an8}[Katie] I've known Deb a long time. 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 {\an8}[Katie] I've known Deb a long time. 103 00:05:01,667 --> 00:05:04,000 {\an8}She is a good judge of character. 104 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,567 I felt cautious, but I also felt happy for Deb. 105 00:05:09,567 --> 00:05:13,100 She told me all about him. She showed me pictures. 106 00:05:13,166 --> 00:05:15,100 She was just happy as could be. 107 00:05:16,667 --> 00:05:20,166 [narrator] When Jeff's brother returns with little explanation, 108 00:05:20,166 --> 00:05:23,266 Jeff is ready to carry on where he and Deborah left off. 109 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:29,567 He came here on April 23rd, 1998. 110 00:05:32,166 --> 00:05:34,567 I went to visit a medicine man, 111 00:05:34,567 --> 00:05:37,900 and I did have him bead a feather. 112 00:05:37,967 --> 00:05:41,667 Then I gave that to Jeff when I picked him up at the airport. 113 00:05:41,667 --> 00:05:43,166 It's a part of my culture. 114 00:05:44,266 --> 00:05:46,000 I was very nervous. 115 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,266 Very nervous. 116 00:05:47,266 --> 00:05:51,066 It's scary, 'cause I'd been single a number of years. 117 00:05:51,066 --> 00:05:52,567 You know, I really love this guy. 118 00:05:52,567 --> 00:05:55,700 And... and I'd never met him. 119 00:05:55,767 --> 00:05:58,800 And our first weekend together, 120 00:05:58,867 --> 00:06:00,000 I took him all around, 121 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,467 I took him all around, 122 00:06:00,467 --> 00:06:01,000 introduced him to as many friends as I could, 123 00:06:02,567 --> 00:06:04,800 took him to my golf course. 124 00:06:04,867 --> 00:06:06,166 Everyone was friendly. 125 00:06:06,166 --> 00:06:08,967 Even my guy friends were friendly. 126 00:06:08,967 --> 00:06:10,166 It was beautiful. 127 00:06:10,166 --> 00:06:11,800 It was very lovely. 128 00:06:11,867 --> 00:06:13,467 My boys, they liked him. 129 00:06:13,467 --> 00:06:16,000 He was, he was a very personable guy. 130 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:21,000 And one of my dearest golf friends was like, 131 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,667 well, you know, "I'm not sure that you know yet. Do you?" 132 00:06:24,667 --> 00:06:26,867 And I go, "Oh, yeah, this... this is the one." 133 00:06:29,166 --> 00:06:30,000 [Katie] He was handsome. 134 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 [Katie] He was handsome. 135 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:33,300 He was kind. 136 00:06:33,367 --> 00:06:36,000 He had that New Orleans drawl. 137 00:06:37,266 --> 00:06:39,867 He treated her like a princess. 138 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:42,200 In fact, he called her "my Indian princess." 139 00:06:47,166 --> 00:06:50,300 [narrator] Katie's husband, Jesse, isn't as impressed. 140 00:06:51,767 --> 00:06:54,567 We hug each other here, 141 00:06:54,567 --> 00:06:57,367 and they gave each other a hug. 142 00:06:57,367 --> 00:07:00,000 [narrator] And then Jeff does an odd thing. 143 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,767 [narrator] And then Jeff does an odd thing. 144 00:07:00,767 --> 00:07:01,000 [Katie] Well, Jeff put Jesse in a headlock. 145 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:05,367 No one was looking. 146 00:07:05,367 --> 00:07:08,567 And so, you know, I was just thinking, 147 00:07:08,567 --> 00:07:09,900 "Why would he do that?" 148 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:14,166 Well, later on, Jesse told me he hurt him 149 00:07:14,166 --> 00:07:16,166 because his back's jacked up, 150 00:07:16,166 --> 00:07:18,600 and then he said something to him like, 151 00:07:18,667 --> 00:07:20,667 "Oh, you sissy or something." 152 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,400 [narrator] Later, Jeff reveals another surprising side of himself 153 00:07:26,467 --> 00:07:28,500 that Deborah had been unaware of 154 00:07:28,567 --> 00:07:30,000 when he goes to dinner with Deborah and her sons. 155 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 when he goes to dinner with Deborah and her sons. 156 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,066 Something came up about him being a veteran, 157 00:07:35,066 --> 00:07:36,567 and he told both of my sons. 158 00:07:36,567 --> 00:07:37,900 He said, "I'll... 159 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:41,200 I will let you ask me one question about my being a veteran, 160 00:07:41,266 --> 00:07:44,767 about being in the Vietnam War." 161 00:07:44,767 --> 00:07:49,400 We began to learn about the prisoner of war story and the horrors of it. 162 00:07:49,467 --> 00:07:51,667 They were ambushed, his unit 163 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:53,900 and he was captured 164 00:07:53,967 --> 00:07:56,266 and they took gun butt 165 00:07:56,266 --> 00:07:57,400 and busted his feet. 166 00:07:57,467 --> 00:08:00,000 And he was able to finally get free 167 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 And he was able to finally get free 168 00:08:01,667 --> 00:08:06,000 and followed water back to American troops. 169 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,400 I just thought he was a phenomenal man 170 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:10,800 with all that he had done in his life. 171 00:08:15,767 --> 00:08:19,500 There was an annual trip that we typically made right after Christmas, 172 00:08:19,567 --> 00:08:22,767 and I typically would travel with all my golf couples. 173 00:08:22,767 --> 00:08:26,500 And so finally I was like, now I have a golf partner. 174 00:08:26,567 --> 00:08:29,166 [narrator] Four couples, including Jeff and Deborah, 175 00:08:29,166 --> 00:08:30,000 travel to Florida to play golf. 176 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 travel to Florida to play golf. 177 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:33,467 But there's a small problem. 178 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,100 [Deborah] He didn't bring his golf clubs. 179 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:40,367 A real golfer is not gonna lose their clubs, but... 180 00:08:41,867 --> 00:08:43,300 he said his was taken. 181 00:08:44,867 --> 00:08:46,867 So we bought him all new clubs. 182 00:08:48,467 --> 00:08:49,767 Eight of you can't play together, 183 00:08:49,767 --> 00:08:52,900 so we always played in different groups. 184 00:08:52,967 --> 00:08:55,166 [narrator] The guys play together on the first day 185 00:08:55,166 --> 00:08:56,567 and Jeff stuns Deborah 186 00:08:56,567 --> 00:08:59,300 when he wins the tournament and a pot of money, 187 00:08:59,367 --> 00:09:00,000 but he's the only one happy about it. 188 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 but he's the only one happy about it. 189 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:04,767 [Deborah] I noticed that there was a strangeness, 190 00:09:04,767 --> 00:09:07,200 there was a distance, and these were my close friends. 191 00:09:07,266 --> 00:09:09,266 I've traveled with them for years, and... 192 00:09:09,266 --> 00:09:10,967 but I, I couldn't put my finger on it. 193 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,000 And I learned that what happened 194 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,066 and they were just observing cheating. 195 00:09:21,467 --> 00:09:24,467 And they witnessed that he might not count all of his strokes 196 00:09:24,467 --> 00:09:26,000 or if he hit out of bounds, 197 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 he wouldn't take his penalty shot. 198 00:09:28,066 --> 00:09:30,000 And if you cheat, that says a lot about you. 199 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 And if you cheat, that says a lot about you. 200 00:09:32,066 --> 00:09:35,200 [narrator] Deborah turns to her best friend, Katie, for advice. 201 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:38,200 [Katie] She was crying. 202 00:09:38,266 --> 00:09:40,300 She was upset 203 00:09:40,367 --> 00:09:44,266 because they were badmouthing Jeff, which made me upset. 204 00:09:45,567 --> 00:09:47,900 They just didn't like his personality. 205 00:09:47,967 --> 00:09:49,400 They didn't like to be around him. 206 00:09:50,867 --> 00:09:52,767 [Deborah] After we made that trip to Florida 207 00:09:52,767 --> 00:09:55,166 then we weren't invited anymore. 208 00:09:55,166 --> 00:09:59,367 That was the end of our couples traveling out of state every year. 209 00:10:01,367 --> 00:10:04,000 [narrator] Despite this, Jeff decides to leave his home 210 00:10:04,066 --> 00:10:06,266 and contractor job in Kentucky 211 00:10:06,266 --> 00:10:09,000 to live with Deborah in Oklahoma. 212 00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:11,166 [Deborah] He expressed that he liked it here 213 00:10:11,166 --> 00:10:13,567 and we began to talk about him moving. 214 00:10:13,567 --> 00:10:15,900 That was the next plan that we talked about. 215 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,567 I was just really committed, 216 00:10:18,567 --> 00:10:20,867 you know, we'll find work for you. 217 00:10:20,867 --> 00:10:23,266 I was just all in, really committed. 218 00:10:24,867 --> 00:10:29,667 I just felt so warm in his presence, you know. 219 00:10:29,667 --> 00:10:30,000 I just felt such love in my heart for him. 220 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 I just felt such love in my heart for him. 221 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:35,467 [narrator] Three months after they first met, 222 00:10:35,467 --> 00:10:37,400 Jeff arrives in Oklahoma 223 00:10:37,467 --> 00:10:40,100 and Deborah rushes to the airport. 224 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,200 He was a little late. 225 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:43,767 So, he was already off the plane and... 226 00:10:43,767 --> 00:10:47,166 and out into the big common area, 227 00:10:47,166 --> 00:10:50,000 and his voice was kind of shaking. 228 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:52,567 And so, I was like, I guess he's really scared, 229 00:10:52,567 --> 00:10:54,567 you know, I would be, too. 230 00:10:54,567 --> 00:10:56,867 He's... he's really taken a big step... 231 00:10:58,100 --> 00:11:00,000 giving up everything. 232 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,100 giving up everything. 233 00:11:00,166 --> 00:11:01,000 Of course, he's probably a little frightened, you know. 234 00:11:02,867 --> 00:11:06,367 But I remember his voice shaking a little bit... 235 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:08,567 and he just said, "You're... 236 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:09,600 you're gonna marry me. 237 00:11:09,667 --> 00:11:11,367 You are... You're marrying me, right?" 238 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,100 Looking back at that very moment 239 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:17,767 that he came here, it's... 240 00:11:17,767 --> 00:11:20,867 it's like the darkness came in the door. 241 00:11:20,867 --> 00:11:22,100 [Katie] I was in horror. 242 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:24,100 I... I couldn't speak. 243 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:27,600 This is something that you would see on 20/20. 244 00:11:27,667 --> 00:11:29,400 This doesn't happen to us. 245 00:11:29,467 --> 00:11:30,000 He was brilliant. 246 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,567 He was brilliant. 247 00:11:30,567 --> 00:11:31,000 You know, an evil brilliant. 248 00:11:35,467 --> 00:11:37,500 [narrator] Deborah Proctor's boyfriend, Jeff, 249 00:11:37,567 --> 00:11:40,467 has surprised her with an impromptu proposal. 250 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:45,100 {\an8}I wanted to be married and I was very happy about it. 251 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:47,867 We just wanted a small, intimate ceremony 252 00:11:47,867 --> 00:11:50,100 in Eureka Springs 253 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:52,166 a couple of hours from here. 254 00:11:52,166 --> 00:11:55,467 His son, little Jeff and daughter-in-law came. 255 00:11:55,467 --> 00:11:58,266 I was so happy to meet his family. 256 00:11:58,266 --> 00:11:59,467 Just... just thrilled. 257 00:12:00,767 --> 00:12:03,266 At the time, Dustin, my oldest son, 258 00:12:03,266 --> 00:12:04,151 was living in Fort Worth, Dallas, 259 00:12:04,151 --> 00:12:05,000 was living in Fort Worth, Dallas, 260 00:12:05,367 --> 00:12:09,066 and he just said they weren't able to make it. 261 00:12:09,066 --> 00:12:13,166 And so that... that was a bit painful to my heart. 262 00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:17,200 My youngest son, Derrick, was there, and he walked me down. 263 00:12:17,266 --> 00:12:19,467 It was April 23rd, 2000, we married. 264 00:12:19,467 --> 00:12:20,900 That was two years to the date 265 00:12:20,967 --> 00:12:23,266 that we'd actually met in person the first time. 266 00:12:24,767 --> 00:12:28,800 Jeff, he had the usual smile and seemed... 267 00:12:28,867 --> 00:12:31,266 seemed to enjoy and engage in the day. 268 00:12:36,767 --> 00:12:38,900 I just went right on like I would normally go, 269 00:12:38,967 --> 00:12:41,100 except now I had a partner and a husband to... 270 00:12:41,166 --> 00:12:42,834 to go with me. 271 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:47,266 You know, immediately I went to work trying to help him get work, 272 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:51,066 and a friend gave him a job, 273 00:12:51,066 --> 00:12:54,300 and he didn't keep that longer than three days. 274 00:12:54,367 --> 00:12:56,166 He came home and he just said 275 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:58,500 "that really wasn't what I was looking for." 276 00:12:58,567 --> 00:13:01,867 And I was like, "Oh, well, that's disappointing, but it's okay. 277 00:13:01,867 --> 00:13:03,166 Well... well, something will work out." 278 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:07,467 [narrator] In March 2004, 279 00:13:07,467 --> 00:13:09,000 Jeff redeems himself 280 00:13:09,066 --> 00:13:11,266 when he lands his best contract yet 281 00:13:11,266 --> 00:13:15,066 for a construction job at a prison in North Carolina. 282 00:13:15,066 --> 00:13:16,600 I was very excited about it. 283 00:13:16,667 --> 00:13:18,367 I was just gonna give up everything. 284 00:13:18,367 --> 00:13:21,367 I gave notice of two or three months. 285 00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:23,367 [narrator] It's a big step for Deborah, 286 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:27,066 who is a hospital nurse and the director of a health care clinic. 287 00:13:27,066 --> 00:13:29,100 [phone ringing] 288 00:13:29,166 --> 00:13:31,300 [narrator] But just before she's ready to leave, 289 00:13:31,367 --> 00:13:33,066 she gets a call from Jeff. 290 00:13:34,266 --> 00:13:35,000 [Deborah] And he said that there was another contractor 291 00:13:37,567 --> 00:13:40,000 who got upset with Jeff over something 292 00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:43,166 and kind of approached him like he was gonna hit him. 293 00:13:43,166 --> 00:13:45,500 And Jeff said, "I told him, 294 00:13:45,567 --> 00:13:48,200 you're picking on the wrong guy." 295 00:13:48,266 --> 00:13:49,800 He said, "He didn't stop. 296 00:13:49,867 --> 00:13:51,667 So, I took him out." 297 00:13:51,667 --> 00:13:53,166 He said, "I broke his teeth." 298 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,367 He said, "Deb, there's no tolerance. 299 00:13:56,367 --> 00:13:58,367 It doesn't matter that he attacked me. 300 00:13:58,367 --> 00:14:00,700 There's just no tolerance." 301 00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:02,100 So, he lost that job. 302 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,151 You know, this was a great job. 303 00:14:04,151 --> 00:14:05,000 You know, this was a great job. 304 00:14:06,166 --> 00:14:07,367 I was moving out there. 305 00:14:07,367 --> 00:14:09,100 I'd already given notice. 306 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:12,400 I was gonna finish a different degree at Duke. 307 00:14:12,467 --> 00:14:13,767 I was pretty excited. 308 00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:17,867 [narrator] Deborah resents her notice 309 00:14:17,867 --> 00:14:22,900 but it's hard to turn a blind eye to Jeff's violent outburst. 310 00:14:22,967 --> 00:14:25,667 [Deborah] And at that point, I was like, I don't... I don't know. 311 00:14:25,667 --> 00:14:28,100 I think I'm just dying. I can't. 312 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:29,967 What is this work stuff? 313 00:14:29,967 --> 00:14:31,967 How can you mess this up? 314 00:14:33,767 --> 00:14:34,151 I talked to my closest friend, Katie. 315 00:14:34,151 --> 00:14:35,000 I talked to my closest friend, Katie. 316 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,400 By this time, everyone liked Jeff. 317 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:41,867 They just felt like, you know, 318 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:44,400 I needed help to pack him up and move him home. 319 00:14:44,467 --> 00:14:46,200 That there wasn't anything he could do 320 00:14:46,266 --> 00:14:50,066 if he was being attacked, that he warned the guy. 321 00:14:51,166 --> 00:14:53,467 {\an8}I mean, we just made excuses for him. 322 00:14:54,967 --> 00:14:59,500 That's what honest, loving people do, I think, 323 00:14:59,567 --> 00:15:03,166 that can't see evil in people. 324 00:15:03,166 --> 00:15:04,151 Deb can't see evil in people. 325 00:15:04,151 --> 00:15:05,000 Deb can't see evil in people. 326 00:15:06,767 --> 00:15:11,600 [narrator] But the stressful ordeal takes a physical toll on Deborah. 327 00:15:11,667 --> 00:15:15,400 [Deborah] And when we came back, I was just deathly ill. 328 00:15:15,467 --> 00:15:16,767 But I'm such a... 329 00:15:16,767 --> 00:15:19,467 I'm such a fighter and I push on. 330 00:15:19,467 --> 00:15:22,100 I just didn't pay attention. 331 00:15:22,166 --> 00:15:24,467 By the time we got home late morning, 332 00:15:24,467 --> 00:15:26,166 I was like, I... I can't breathe. 333 00:15:26,166 --> 00:15:28,667 You have to take me into the hospital. 334 00:15:28,667 --> 00:15:31,400 And of course, I was a nurse at the hospital at that time. 335 00:15:31,467 --> 00:15:33,400 So, the... the crowds were gathering. 336 00:15:33,467 --> 00:15:34,151 You know, everyone was very concerned. 337 00:15:34,151 --> 00:15:35,000 You know, everyone was very concerned. 338 00:15:36,467 --> 00:15:39,767 [narrator] Everyone but Jeff, who goes home. 339 00:15:39,767 --> 00:15:41,767 Deborah is so sick with pneumonia 340 00:15:41,767 --> 00:15:44,100 that she's unaware he's left her side. 341 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:47,500 I ended up having to go on life support. 342 00:15:49,066 --> 00:15:50,300 He was absent. 343 00:15:50,367 --> 00:15:51,967 He wasn't there. 344 00:15:51,967 --> 00:15:53,266 He never called. 345 00:15:53,266 --> 00:15:57,000 You know, it was an hour by hour. 346 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,900 Is she gonna make it? 347 00:15:58,967 --> 00:16:01,266 My husband would have been right there by my bedside. 348 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,867 [Deborah] I think it was nine days 349 00:16:06,867 --> 00:16:09,867 and six or seven on life support. 350 00:16:09,867 --> 00:16:13,867 My friends were just furious... 351 00:16:13,867 --> 00:16:15,567 furious that he left me. 352 00:16:15,567 --> 00:16:17,100 When I kind of came around, 353 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:19,367 they were all still very angry 354 00:16:19,367 --> 00:16:21,467 that he would just walk out not knowing 355 00:16:21,467 --> 00:16:23,667 if I was gonna live or die. 356 00:16:23,667 --> 00:16:27,567 [narrator] Deb bounces back quickly and forgives Jeff for his absence, 357 00:16:27,567 --> 00:16:31,266 but her friends think she should walk away from the relationship. 358 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:33,000 [Deborah] I didn't feel like I was making excuses. 359 00:16:33,066 --> 00:16:34,151 I felt like they just didn't understand. 360 00:16:34,151 --> 00:16:35,000 I felt like they just didn't understand. 361 00:16:35,166 --> 00:16:38,300 [narrator] Over time, most of Deborah's friends forgive Jeff, 362 00:16:38,367 --> 00:16:39,867 who is suitably remorseful, 363 00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:43,266 and he finally settles into his new life in Oklahoma. 364 00:16:43,266 --> 00:16:46,900 When he did locate employment, it was typically good. 365 00:16:46,967 --> 00:16:51,767 He might have traveled to Arkansas or Tulsa or Bartlesville from here, 366 00:16:51,767 --> 00:16:53,166 but, you know, 367 00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:55,800 he made a good living at times. 368 00:16:55,867 --> 00:16:59,000 [narrator] But before long, another shoe drops. 369 00:17:01,266 --> 00:17:04,151 [Deborah] Somehow IRS bills arrived and I was like, 370 00:17:04,151 --> 00:17:05,000 [Deborah] Somehow IRS bills arrived and I was like, 371 00:17:05,367 --> 00:17:07,066 "What... what's this about, Jeff? 372 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:11,100 I didn't know you owed thousands of dollars to the IRS. 373 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:13,266 You... you probably should have told me that." 374 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:15,767 And he said, "Well, we're still fighting it." 375 00:17:16,767 --> 00:17:17,967 I was just angry. 376 00:17:17,967 --> 00:17:20,100 Oh, here was this enormous tax bill 377 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:21,767 that he didn't tell me he owed. 378 00:17:21,767 --> 00:17:23,100 There wasn't any way around it. 379 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:24,166 We had to pay it. 380 00:17:25,367 --> 00:17:27,300 [narrator] In January 2003, 381 00:17:27,367 --> 00:17:30,300 Deborah and Jeff finally receive welcome news. 382 00:17:30,367 --> 00:17:33,100 It's his mother Dot's 80th birthday, 383 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,151 and they are invited to a party in Edmonton, Alberta. 384 00:17:34,151 --> 00:17:35,000 and they are invited to a party in Edmonton, Alberta. 385 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,100 [Deborah] He'd been in my life for... 386 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:42,300 five years and I'd never met anybody 387 00:17:42,367 --> 00:17:44,667 in his family except little Jeff. 388 00:17:44,667 --> 00:17:48,967 So that's when we flew to Canada 389 00:17:48,967 --> 00:17:50,567 for the birthday party. 390 00:17:50,567 --> 00:17:52,000 [narrator] Jeff's Canadian family 391 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,100 has a completely different surname. 392 00:17:54,166 --> 00:17:56,100 Stan, not Walton. 393 00:17:58,367 --> 00:18:02,000 [Deborah] Jeff told me that he was born in Alaska 394 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,151 sometime in grade school, that they moved to Canada, 395 00:18:04,151 --> 00:18:05,000 sometime in grade school, that they moved to Canada, 396 00:18:05,767 --> 00:18:07,667 and that's why his name was different. 397 00:18:07,667 --> 00:18:09,467 He had a different dad. 398 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:13,667 But in 2003, when we went, just his mother was alive. 399 00:18:13,667 --> 00:18:16,500 And I met his sister, Wendy. 400 00:18:16,567 --> 00:18:18,300 She's just got to be a great human. 401 00:18:18,367 --> 00:18:22,800 And then his brothers, two brothers, Alan and John. 402 00:18:22,867 --> 00:18:26,467 [narrator] Deborah is also about to meet a man named Dave Semple, 403 00:18:26,467 --> 00:18:28,000 a law enforcement officer 404 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:31,000 who is attending the party for Dorothy Stan as well. 405 00:18:32,667 --> 00:18:34,000 In 2003... 406 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:37,467 {\an8}my mother called and said 407 00:18:37,467 --> 00:18:39,767 {\an8}that there was an 80th birthday party... 408 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,100 {\an8}for Dot and suggested that I go up represent the family. 409 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:47,367 The birthday party was in an apartment building 410 00:18:47,367 --> 00:18:49,800 where his mother lived. 411 00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:51,367 By the time I got there and... 412 00:18:51,367 --> 00:18:54,567 and got out of my car and started walking towards the building. 413 00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:57,867 And I saw two guys walking towards me 414 00:18:57,867 --> 00:19:00,700 and I saw that... that big toothy grin. 415 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:03,200 But I recognized it right away. 416 00:19:04,867 --> 00:19:05,000 I said, "Ronnie Stan, that's got to be you." 417 00:19:10,367 --> 00:19:15,200 Well, here was your closest friend back in 1947, 418 00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:18,367 and he recognized me then and gave me a great big bear hug. 419 00:19:18,367 --> 00:19:21,200 And that's when he said, "I'm not Ronnie Stan. 420 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:23,567 My... my name is Jeff Walton." 421 00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:28,767 [narrator] If Dave looks like he's seen a ghost, 422 00:19:28,767 --> 00:19:31,266 it's because the man who Dave Semple knew 423 00:19:31,266 --> 00:19:34,151 was Ronnie Stan died in a barn fire in 1977. 424 00:19:34,151 --> 00:19:35,000 was Ronnie Stan died in a barn fire in 1977. 425 00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:39,867 There was a bunch of pigs that were in the barn that had died. 426 00:19:39,867 --> 00:19:43,867 The fire department and the OPP did an investigation. 427 00:19:43,867 --> 00:19:47,600 Everybody just assumed that he had died in the intense fire, 428 00:19:47,667 --> 00:19:50,266 it had just rendered everything right to dust. 429 00:19:50,266 --> 00:19:53,266 [narrator] Now, Ronnie Stan has risen from the dead 430 00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:55,967 with a different name, Jeff Walton. 431 00:19:55,967 --> 00:19:59,266 But why is Jeff's family keeping Deborah in the dark? 432 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:03,367 [Tim] Double lives are fascinating. 433 00:20:03,367 --> 00:20:04,151 We all wonder if we've met somebody 434 00:20:04,151 --> 00:20:05,000 We all wonder if we've met somebody 435 00:20:05,767 --> 00:20:09,266 who has some kind of secret life behind them. 436 00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:10,600 [Katie] I didn't want to see it. 437 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:12,100 I thought he was a good guy. 438 00:20:16,367 --> 00:20:18,166 [narrator] Three years after marrying Jeff, 439 00:20:18,166 --> 00:20:20,867 Deborah Proctor finally meets his mom 440 00:20:20,867 --> 00:20:23,867 at her 80th birthday party in Canada. 441 00:20:23,867 --> 00:20:26,767 I was so happy to meet his family. 442 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,166 Just... just thrilled. 443 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:32,266 {\an8}And we all just hit it off famously. 444 00:20:32,266 --> 00:20:36,367 Um, I was happy to meet Dave, a childhood friend. 445 00:20:36,367 --> 00:20:38,867 [narrator] She is unaware that everyone at the party, 446 00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:42,567 including his family, knows Jeff by another name 447 00:20:42,567 --> 00:20:44,567 and are colluding to keep it from her. 448 00:20:45,667 --> 00:20:46,000 Jeff asks Dave not to tell Deborah, 449 00:20:48,166 --> 00:20:50,166 and he obliges out of loyalty. 450 00:20:52,266 --> 00:20:54,667 {\an8}I'd always called him Ron and... 451 00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:59,266 {\an8}and now all of a sudden, I have to catch myself and call him Jeff. 452 00:20:59,266 --> 00:21:03,100 So, I basically tried not to call him anything at all. 453 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,567 There's not a lot of questions running around in my head, 454 00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:08,900 but it wasn't time to be asking anything at that point 455 00:21:08,967 --> 00:21:11,467 and just sort of glad to see him again. 456 00:21:11,467 --> 00:21:14,867 [narrator] She's so delighted to meet Jeff's Canadian family, 457 00:21:14,867 --> 00:21:15,172 Deborah doesn't notice any awkwardness. 458 00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:16,000 Deborah doesn't notice any awkwardness. 459 00:21:18,166 --> 00:21:20,900 [Deborah] I had no idea. None. 460 00:21:20,967 --> 00:21:23,367 And they all called him Jeff. 461 00:21:23,367 --> 00:21:25,900 His family is sick together. 462 00:21:25,967 --> 00:21:27,867 They were just happy to have him back. 463 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,500 Make the family complete again. 464 00:21:32,467 --> 00:21:36,066 After talking to his mom and to his brothers and sisters 465 00:21:36,066 --> 00:21:37,567 on that very, very first night... 466 00:21:38,867 --> 00:21:43,667 I... I was satisfied that there was... there was nothing that was... 467 00:21:43,667 --> 00:21:45,172 There was no wrongdoing. 468 00:21:45,172 --> 00:21:45,200 There was no wrongdoing. 469 00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:46,000 He had simply disappeared. 470 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:53,100 [narrator] But the story of how Ronnie Stan became a fugitive 471 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:55,100 and what crimes he may have committed 472 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:57,600 while on the run is far from simple. 473 00:21:58,667 --> 00:22:00,767 With Jeff's friends and family know 474 00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:04,000 and what Deborah won't find out for another ten years 475 00:22:04,066 --> 00:22:06,467 is that back in 1977, 476 00:22:06,467 --> 00:22:11,867 Ronnie Stan was married to a woman named Gail and had two children. 477 00:22:11,867 --> 00:22:15,172 {\an8}He was living in southwestern Ontario in the 1970s. 478 00:22:15,172 --> 00:22:16,000 {\an8}He was living in southwestern Ontario in the 1970s. 479 00:22:16,967 --> 00:22:20,000 He was working as a teacher at Fanshawe College. 480 00:22:21,266 --> 00:22:22,900 He also had a farm, 481 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:27,166 so he was working on the farm at night and by day he was teaching. 482 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:29,000 He had become involved with a student. 483 00:22:30,166 --> 00:22:33,467 It's not good to be involved with a student at that... 484 00:22:33,467 --> 00:22:37,300 at any time, but especially if you're married with children. 485 00:22:37,367 --> 00:22:39,266 This student told her mother 486 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:42,300 that she was gonna marry Ronald Stan. 487 00:22:42,367 --> 00:22:44,800 And her mother phoned his mother 488 00:22:44,867 --> 00:22:45,172 and his mother told him, "You're in big trouble. 489 00:22:45,172 --> 00:22:46,000 and his mother told him, "You're in big trouble. 490 00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:50,700 She's from a very rich and powerful family." 491 00:22:50,767 --> 00:22:54,867 So, on that day, his whole world was gonna come apart. 492 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000 There just happened to be a fire 493 00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:05,700 which presented an opportunity. 494 00:23:08,266 --> 00:23:10,100 He's sitting there in the field 495 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,100 and he can hear his wife screaming 496 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,867 as she sees the barn burning, 497 00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:15,172 knowing that he was supposed to be in there feeding the pigs. 498 00:23:15,172 --> 00:23:16,000 knowing that he was supposed to be in there feeding the pigs. 499 00:23:17,367 --> 00:23:20,367 He had $3,000 that was in his pocket. 500 00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:22,867 And under the cover of night, he hopped on a bus 501 00:23:22,867 --> 00:23:26,867 and crossed the border and decided to go to New Orleans. 502 00:23:26,867 --> 00:23:30,367 [narrator] Initially, Ron's family presumes that he died in the fire 503 00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:34,100 with the pigs and are unaware that he now adopts a new identity. 504 00:23:39,367 --> 00:23:42,567 [Tim] So, Ron Stan decided to change his name to Jeff Walton. 505 00:23:42,567 --> 00:23:45,172 Jeff was after the son he abandoned in Ontario, 506 00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:46,000 Jeff was after the son he abandoned in Ontario, 507 00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:49,000 and Walton was after the television show The Waltons 508 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,967 because he thought it was a nice, friendly American family name. 509 00:23:52,967 --> 00:23:55,266 And in his words, he had to find 510 00:23:55,266 --> 00:23:59,000 someone with a little bit of money to marry. 511 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,567 And the woman that he found was Roseanne. 512 00:24:02,567 --> 00:24:05,467 He described her as a beautiful young woman 513 00:24:05,467 --> 00:24:09,367 from a well-to-do family in New Orleans. 514 00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:13,767 [narrator] Jeff tells Roseanne his family died in a plane crash in Alaska. 515 00:24:13,767 --> 00:24:15,172 But when the two start talking marriage the following year, 516 00:24:15,172 --> 00:24:16,000 But when the two start talking marriage the following year, 517 00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:18,100 there's a snag. 518 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:23,367 [Tim] Jeff Walton, he didn't have a birth certificate. 519 00:24:23,367 --> 00:24:24,767 So, they went to another county 520 00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:26,266 where you didn't need a birth certificate 521 00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:28,767 to get a marriage license and they got married there. 522 00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:36,667 And he was clearly still married to Gail, his Canadian wife. 523 00:24:38,767 --> 00:24:41,066 [Dave] He told me that he wound up getting married 524 00:24:41,066 --> 00:24:44,567 and having a child with her, little Jeff. 525 00:24:46,767 --> 00:24:49,467 [Tim] My first impression of Roseanne was 526 00:24:49,467 --> 00:24:51,500 she seemed like a very nice woman 527 00:24:51,567 --> 00:24:55,367 who had a very bad relationship with Jeff Walton. 528 00:24:55,367 --> 00:24:57,600 In her words, she said he could charm a snake. 529 00:24:57,667 --> 00:24:59,567 [sirens blaring] 530 00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:03,066 [Tim] Roseanne got in some kind of a car accident 531 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:04,300 with a commercial vehicle, 532 00:25:04,367 --> 00:25:08,867 and there was a lawsuit with a settlement of $500,000. 533 00:25:08,867 --> 00:25:11,567 Roseanne said that Jeff spent a lot of money 534 00:25:11,567 --> 00:25:15,172 on booze and women and partying in New Orleans. 535 00:25:15,172 --> 00:25:15,767 on booze and women and partying in New Orleans. 536 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:18,967 [Dave] He wound up divorcing her. 537 00:25:18,967 --> 00:25:21,000 And she said then he... 538 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,767 he wound up marrying a Playboy bunny. 539 00:25:24,567 --> 00:25:26,066 And again, I... I... 540 00:25:26,066 --> 00:25:28,967 I figured, well, that's... really? And... 541 00:25:28,967 --> 00:25:30,200 But that turned out to be true. 542 00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,000 [Tim] Jeff Walton's second wife 543 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,667 or Ron Stan's third wife is Holly Kelley. 544 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:41,166 {\an8}I was in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 545 00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:44,166 {\an8}and Playboy came into town. 546 00:25:45,867 --> 00:25:46,000 And I wanted to get into Playboy. 547 00:25:49,567 --> 00:25:52,367 I thought it was very classy 548 00:25:52,367 --> 00:25:54,266 and I didn't see anything wrong with it. 549 00:25:56,066 --> 00:25:58,967 They ended up taking about 5000 pictures of me, 550 00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:02,700 which I always wondered what in the world happened to the negatives? 551 00:26:02,767 --> 00:26:06,166 [narrator] Holly's living in New Orleans in the 1990s. 552 00:26:06,166 --> 00:26:09,100 When her friends say there is someone they'd like her to meet. 553 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,266 Jeff was charming. We hit it off great. 554 00:26:14,467 --> 00:26:15,172 He had everything that you could ever imagine. 555 00:26:15,172 --> 00:26:16,000 He had everything that you could ever imagine. 556 00:26:16,767 --> 00:26:19,867 You know, I mean, he had the looks, he had the charm. 557 00:26:19,867 --> 00:26:21,567 He had money. 558 00:26:21,567 --> 00:26:23,367 You know, that helps. 559 00:26:23,367 --> 00:26:25,467 [narrator] Holly knows her new boyfriend, Jeff, 560 00:26:25,467 --> 00:26:27,467 is still technically married, 561 00:26:27,467 --> 00:26:31,000 but Jeff no longer lives with Roseanne and little Jeff. 562 00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:32,500 What Holly doesn't know 563 00:26:32,567 --> 00:26:35,200 is if he has any other living relatives, 564 00:26:35,266 --> 00:26:37,567 including other wives. 565 00:26:37,567 --> 00:26:39,567 [Tim] I know that Jeff started reaching out to his family 566 00:26:39,567 --> 00:26:41,667 in Canada in the early '90s. 567 00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,867 I don't know if they were actively searching for him. 568 00:26:43,867 --> 00:26:45,100 He had been declared dead. 569 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,967 [narrator] In 1993, 570 00:26:47,967 --> 00:26:51,000 Jeff divorces Roseanne and marries Holly. 571 00:26:52,166 --> 00:26:53,900 [Holly] It was a beautiful, beautiful wedding. 572 00:26:53,967 --> 00:26:55,100 Beautiful day. 573 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,300 I did want to marry Jeff beyond a shadow of a doubt. 574 00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:00,266 I mean, I... I loved Jeff. 575 00:27:00,266 --> 00:27:02,867 I mean, he really was a great guy. 576 00:27:02,867 --> 00:27:05,500 None of us knew that he had just been lying 577 00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:08,467 about his entire life the whole time. 578 00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:11,867 I mean, we just totally fell for what he was telling us. 579 00:27:11,867 --> 00:27:15,172 He would do anything for me except tell the truth. 580 00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:15,266 He would do anything for me except tell the truth. 581 00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:16,000 Yeah. 582 00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:18,667 He told my father 583 00:27:18,667 --> 00:27:20,900 that he was in Vietnam. 584 00:27:20,967 --> 00:27:24,166 I guess it was to impress my father 585 00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:27,467 because my father was a marine in World War II, Iwo Jima. 586 00:27:27,467 --> 00:27:31,300 You question yourself because you think... 587 00:27:33,066 --> 00:27:35,467 "You know, am I nuts?" [laughs] 588 00:27:36,867 --> 00:27:39,166 He was very, very smart. 589 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,166 He would cover it up somehow. 590 00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:43,367 Somehow he would just... 591 00:27:43,367 --> 00:27:45,172 he would make it believable. 592 00:27:45,172 --> 00:27:45,266 he would make it believable. 593 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:49,300 [narrator] And Holly did believe in Jeff 594 00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:51,200 until the day the phone rang. 595 00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:53,000 And it was a call from Canada. 596 00:27:54,667 --> 00:27:56,867 [Holly] His brother called and said, 597 00:27:56,867 --> 00:27:58,867 "You know, we've been looking for... for Jeff." 598 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,166 And when he got home from work, 599 00:28:02,166 --> 00:28:04,266 "Hey, somebody called and said 600 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,567 they were your family from Canada." 601 00:28:06,567 --> 00:28:09,700 And, you know, and his face turned white as a sheet. 602 00:28:09,767 --> 00:28:12,200 And I thought maybe he murdered someone. 603 00:28:12,266 --> 00:28:15,172 What was so horrible that you would have to do this? 604 00:28:15,172 --> 00:28:16,000 What was so horrible that you would have to do this? 605 00:28:16,567 --> 00:28:17,667 It's just... 606 00:28:18,967 --> 00:28:20,500 No words. 607 00:28:24,467 --> 00:28:27,900 [narrator] In 1990, Jeff Walton's third wife, Holly Kelley, 608 00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:30,467 learns that everything he told her and her parents 609 00:28:30,467 --> 00:28:33,266 about his life is a lie. 610 00:28:33,266 --> 00:28:36,400 {\an8}I had to go tell my mother and father all of this 611 00:28:36,467 --> 00:28:41,000 {\an8}that this guy that they thought was Jeff Walton, his name is Ron Stan. 612 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,166 The question is, is where do you take it from there? 613 00:28:44,166 --> 00:28:47,600 I knew at that point that it was over and he did, too. 614 00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:52,867 [narrator] More than 20 years later, 615 00:28:52,867 --> 00:28:53,000 [narrator] More than 20 years later, 616 00:28:53,367 --> 00:28:56,100 his fourth wife, Deborah Proctor, 617 00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,667 remains ignorant of his past. 618 00:28:58,667 --> 00:29:02,567 But a lifetime of lies seems to be catching up with Jeff. 619 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Jeff had had a number of hospitalizations, 620 00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:08,000 {\an8}one was hemorrhaging. 621 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,066 {\an8}And they felt like he had bladder cancer. 622 00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:11,600 {\an8}And I never left his side. 623 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,166 And then he said, "Deb, I'm not feeling right. 624 00:29:15,166 --> 00:29:17,567 I... My eyesight's really blurry. 625 00:29:17,567 --> 00:29:20,000 I'm not making sense with my words." 626 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,867 And I took him in and he had had a stroke. 627 00:29:22,867 --> 00:29:23,000 And I took him in and he had had a stroke. 628 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,600 So, I was just trying to pay for everything. 629 00:29:28,166 --> 00:29:30,166 [narrator] On the verge of bankruptcy, 630 00:29:30,166 --> 00:29:35,266 Deborah asks Jeff to access his veteran's health benefits, but he refuses. 631 00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:38,200 I said, "You don't understand. 632 00:29:38,266 --> 00:29:39,467 We have nothing left." 633 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:42,767 And that's when he informed me, 634 00:29:42,767 --> 00:29:45,367 "I'm not going to the Veterans for Care. 635 00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:49,667 And besides that, I was in Special Forces. 636 00:29:49,667 --> 00:29:52,266 I did have a dishonorable discharge." 637 00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:52,867 And so, they're not even gonna have a list of me at the Veterans. 638 00:29:52,867 --> 00:29:53,000 And so, they're not even gonna have a list of me at the Veterans. 639 00:29:55,567 --> 00:29:58,600 They're not gonna see me and I'm not going anyway. 640 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,667 And I remember at the time 641 00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:03,367 feeling like my throat was closing 642 00:30:03,367 --> 00:30:04,667 and my heart was heavy. 643 00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:07,667 And I thought, something's not right. 644 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,467 It's just not right. 645 00:30:11,467 --> 00:30:15,300 I thought maybe I should get a private investigator. 646 00:30:15,367 --> 00:30:16,400 Anyway, I didn't. 647 00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:20,467 I do think it... it was about that time 648 00:30:20,467 --> 00:30:22,867 that I did go into what I would say is a severe depression. 649 00:30:22,867 --> 00:30:23,000 that I did go into what I would say is a severe depression. 650 00:30:24,266 --> 00:30:25,567 I was sad. 651 00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:27,400 I'd be somewhere in the house by myself, 652 00:30:27,467 --> 00:30:30,867 but just sobbing and crying and just saying, 653 00:30:30,867 --> 00:30:32,000 "I hate my life." 654 00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:40,567 August 1st, 2014, 655 00:30:40,567 --> 00:30:43,867 I was just in my office and my phone rang 656 00:30:43,867 --> 00:30:47,100 and I picked up this particular phone call. 657 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,800 And he identified himself, his badge numbers. 658 00:30:50,867 --> 00:30:52,867 He said he was in OPP, 659 00:30:52,867 --> 00:30:53,000 He said he was in OPP, 660 00:30:53,066 --> 00:30:55,900 Ontario Provincial Police. 661 00:30:55,967 --> 00:30:58,900 He said, "Well, we have reason to believe 662 00:30:58,967 --> 00:31:01,567 that you're married to Ron Stan. 663 00:31:01,567 --> 00:31:05,367 We have reason to believe that he is a man 664 00:31:05,367 --> 00:31:10,900 that burned his place down 37 years ago. 665 00:31:12,967 --> 00:31:18,400 And left a newborn son and a toddler and a wife." 666 00:31:18,467 --> 00:31:21,667 I was in so much shock, disbelief. 667 00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:22,867 And when we hung up, I called my friends. 668 00:31:22,867 --> 00:31:23,000 And when we hung up, I called my friends. 669 00:31:24,367 --> 00:31:25,800 They said, "Oh, for God's sake, 670 00:31:25,867 --> 00:31:27,767 you know, your life is probably in danger. 671 00:31:27,767 --> 00:31:30,066 And we have to go out to the Cherokee Nation Marshal Service 672 00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:31,967 and we have to get some help." 673 00:31:31,967 --> 00:31:33,467 So that's what we did. 674 00:31:33,467 --> 00:31:35,266 She was really confused. 675 00:31:35,266 --> 00:31:36,800 {\an8}This man that she had been with 676 00:31:36,867 --> 00:31:39,867 {\an8}for at least 14, 15 years 677 00:31:39,867 --> 00:31:43,667 was possibly not the man he'd been saying he was. 678 00:31:43,667 --> 00:31:45,700 I contact Canada. 679 00:31:45,767 --> 00:31:50,166 I spoke to a female officer and she said, yes. 680 00:31:50,166 --> 00:31:52,667 We opened up cold cases 681 00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:52,867 and we came across his 682 00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:53,000 and we came across his 683 00:31:54,066 --> 00:31:55,934 and started working on it again. 684 00:31:55,934 --> 00:31:59,967 [narrator] The officer said they found him by examining the social media pages 685 00:31:59,967 --> 00:32:01,867 of his various family members. 686 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,867 [Shawnna] And we were shocked 687 00:32:04,867 --> 00:32:06,900 that we actually found him on Facebook. 688 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:10,567 They explained that the reason 689 00:32:10,567 --> 00:32:15,000 why he went missing was there was a barn fire. 690 00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:18,166 And apparently, he was in the barn fire. 691 00:32:18,166 --> 00:32:20,767 But they've never found any remains. 692 00:32:20,767 --> 00:32:22,867 The case just kind of set for years 693 00:32:22,867 --> 00:32:23,000 The case just kind of set for years 694 00:32:23,467 --> 00:32:25,500 because they had no clue 695 00:32:25,567 --> 00:32:28,367 and nothing ever surfaced again. 696 00:32:28,367 --> 00:32:30,166 And they asked me at that time, they said, 697 00:32:30,166 --> 00:32:34,967 "If you don't mind, could you interview him and see what he says?" 698 00:32:34,967 --> 00:32:38,467 We're trying to figure out if this is him or not. 699 00:32:38,467 --> 00:32:41,800 [narrator] Shawnna drives to the medical facility where Jeff is staying 700 00:32:41,867 --> 00:32:43,800 while he recovers from his stroke 701 00:32:43,867 --> 00:32:45,467 and meets him in a private room. 702 00:32:46,767 --> 00:32:48,700 [Shawnna] I proceeded on to explain to him 703 00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:52,867 that I had received a call from Canada police. 704 00:32:54,166 --> 00:32:56,200 So, I eventually told him, I was like, 705 00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:58,200 "Do you at least have your birth certificate? 706 00:32:58,266 --> 00:33:00,900 Do you have your birth certificate so I can see?" 707 00:33:00,967 --> 00:33:03,367 And he said, "Yes." And I said, "Well, where's it at?" 708 00:33:03,367 --> 00:33:06,767 'Well, I don't know. I... I can't remember where." 709 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:09,100 And I said, "Well, that's okay." 710 00:33:09,166 --> 00:33:10,467 I said, "I'll ask my dispatcher 711 00:33:10,467 --> 00:33:13,867 to get a copy of your birth certificate." 712 00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:16,100 And he looked at me. 713 00:33:16,166 --> 00:33:17,567 He just started grinning. 714 00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:20,667 So, you got me, didn't you? 715 00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:22,867 And I said, "You have kids and a wife in Canada." 716 00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:23,000 And I said, "You have kids and a wife in Canada." 717 00:33:26,967 --> 00:33:28,467 And he said, "Yes, I do." 718 00:33:28,467 --> 00:33:32,900 Here he was using a deceased individual's Social Security number 719 00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:36,266 and was getting Oklahoma benefits 720 00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:40,567 of the Social Security number for at least 20 years. 721 00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:41,800 He was a very good con. 722 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,166 I felt so sorry for Deb. 723 00:33:47,166 --> 00:33:49,300 Once I got the confession from him. 724 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:51,967 Wasn't any getting around it. 725 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,467 That was the truth. 726 00:33:56,467 --> 00:33:57,767 Just shocking. 727 00:33:57,767 --> 00:34:00,066 I just didn't... 728 00:34:00,066 --> 00:34:03,166 I didn't imagine anything like this. 729 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,400 I couldn't talk to Jeff. 730 00:34:04,467 --> 00:34:06,166 What... what was I gonna say? 731 00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:07,767 You... you're a liar? 732 00:34:07,767 --> 00:34:10,100 But, you know, I had to plan. 733 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,800 I mean, how am I gonna tell my boys? 734 00:34:11,867 --> 00:34:14,000 How am I gonna tell his boy? 735 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,767 {\an8}She was very, very upset. 736 00:34:15,767 --> 00:34:18,100 {\an8}And I could certainly understand why. 737 00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:22,867 [Deborah] I was grateful for my friends. 738 00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:22,900 [Deborah] I was grateful for my friends. 739 00:34:22,967 --> 00:34:23,000 And we just started making plans. 740 00:34:24,867 --> 00:34:26,567 Oh, we got to go to the bank. 741 00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:28,300 We've got to get with your attorney. 742 00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:32,800 We were able to get a quick claim deed and a quick divorce. 743 00:34:32,867 --> 00:34:37,767 And our Tribe's domestic violence program helped me. 744 00:34:37,767 --> 00:34:40,600 They helped serve the papers 'cause I just couldn't do it. 745 00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:45,867 [narrator] Jeff Jr. agrees to take custody of his father. 746 00:34:45,867 --> 00:34:49,066 It was just really angry. 747 00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:52,867 I was frightened at this point that, you know, 748 00:34:52,867 --> 00:34:53,000 I was frightened at this point that, you know, 749 00:34:53,266 --> 00:34:54,667 he might hurt us 750 00:34:56,266 --> 00:34:59,100 'cause now I'd learned he burned a place down. 751 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:00,767 [Katie] It was just a nightmare. 752 00:35:00,767 --> 00:35:02,667 And you feel so stupid. 753 00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:04,500 {\an8}The time I spent with him wasn't... 754 00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,166 {\an8}was not quality time. 755 00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,000 {\an8}It was all fake time. 756 00:35:09,066 --> 00:35:10,567 I just hated him. 757 00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,867 [Deborah] I'm at home alone, 758 00:35:13,867 --> 00:35:17,200 in my bedroom when I got the call that they had left. 759 00:35:17,266 --> 00:35:18,867 Telephone, and they were on the road. 760 00:35:20,567 --> 00:35:22,867 People talk about spiritual awakenings 761 00:35:22,867 --> 00:35:23,000 People talk about spiritual awakenings 762 00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:26,667 or a burning bush moment or something. 763 00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:29,700 For me, it... it was absolutely that moment. 764 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,767 I realized I couldn't get up. 765 00:35:33,767 --> 00:35:35,000 I couldn't move. 766 00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:37,367 And then I thought, "Dear God, 767 00:35:37,367 --> 00:35:39,767 if you can just get me up on my feet, 768 00:35:39,767 --> 00:35:42,000 I will not only survive, 769 00:35:42,066 --> 00:35:45,400 but I will always remember to help others." 770 00:35:45,467 --> 00:35:48,166 It was just a profound understanding 771 00:35:48,166 --> 00:35:52,867 of what I've been through and what I had yet to do. 772 00:35:52,867 --> 00:35:53,000 of what I've been through and what I had yet to do. 773 00:35:53,567 --> 00:35:54,900 [Dave] I think it was a couple of days 774 00:35:54,967 --> 00:35:57,767 after that I had a conversation with Jeff. 775 00:35:57,767 --> 00:36:02,000 I think he was kind of somewhat relieved about the whole thing 776 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,100 coming out in the open after all these years. 777 00:36:04,166 --> 00:36:07,100 An Ontario man who went missing in the '70s 778 00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:09,667 and was declared dead in the '80s 779 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,600 has been found in the United States alive. 780 00:36:12,667 --> 00:36:17,967 Police say the 69 year old has been living in Oklahoma under a different name. 781 00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:21,100 Once it came out, it just snowballed. 782 00:36:21,166 --> 00:36:22,467 [narrator] Deborah is about to learn 783 00:36:22,467 --> 00:36:22,867 the full extent of Jeff's lies, 784 00:36:22,867 --> 00:36:23,000 the full extent of Jeff's lies, 785 00:36:24,967 --> 00:36:28,300 and it makes her ordeal even more unbearable. 786 00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:30,667 And that's when I learned about all the lies. 787 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,800 [narrator] For 37 years, 788 00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:40,800 Ronald Stan has been living under a fake identity in the US. 789 00:36:40,867 --> 00:36:42,367 In 2014, 790 00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:46,266 the Ontario Police issue a press release about the case. 791 00:36:46,266 --> 00:36:49,266 [Tim] This story landed on my desk 792 00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:52,800 {\an8}and it said, "A man named Ronald Stan, 793 00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:55,767 {\an8}who was missing in 1977, 794 00:36:55,767 --> 00:36:59,467 has been found alive and well in the United States." 795 00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:01,600 Which was a crazy story. Like what... 796 00:37:01,667 --> 00:37:03,467 what happened there? 797 00:37:03,467 --> 00:37:04,108 [narrator] Tim Alamenciak finds Jeff in New Orleans, 798 00:37:04,108 --> 00:37:05,000 [narrator] Tim Alamenciak finds Jeff in New Orleans, 799 00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:09,867 where he is now living with his son Jeff Jr. 800 00:37:09,867 --> 00:37:12,567 And he agrees to an interview. 801 00:37:12,567 --> 00:37:16,166 [Tim] He had this kind of unmistakable charm 802 00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:18,467 that I could see disarming somebody. 803 00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:22,667 Every successive wife would eventually find out 804 00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:24,300 about his past, 805 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,700 um, and his stories would just fall apart 806 00:37:26,767 --> 00:37:28,000 and wouldn't quite hang together. 807 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,700 But he had this capacity to charm people off the hop 808 00:37:31,767 --> 00:37:34,108 and to get people to kind of not dig deeper into his history. 809 00:37:34,108 --> 00:37:35,000 and to get people to kind of not dig deeper into his history. 810 00:37:38,266 --> 00:37:41,367 [Holly] He just was a pathological liar. 811 00:37:41,367 --> 00:37:45,300 {\an8}Only a narcissist person could do something like that to... 812 00:37:45,367 --> 00:37:47,066 to make people think you're dead 813 00:37:47,066 --> 00:37:50,367 and to leave your children and never call them. 814 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:53,467 I don't think he was actually a very good liar. 815 00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:58,166 And that's evidenced by how his story fell apart along the way. 816 00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:01,100 And when you look into it and when you talk to people, 817 00:38:01,166 --> 00:38:03,867 his family knew that he was alive. 818 00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:04,108 His... his brother had contact with him on Facebook. 819 00:38:04,108 --> 00:38:05,000 His... his brother had contact with him on Facebook. 820 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,867 [narrator] Even his Canadian wife, Gail, 821 00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:15,166 eventually found out about his lies in 1998 822 00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:17,467 when he shows up at his dad's funeral. 823 00:38:18,667 --> 00:38:21,700 [Tim] He said that his wife was at the funeral 824 00:38:21,767 --> 00:38:23,800 and that she wouldn't even look at him. 825 00:38:23,867 --> 00:38:27,500 As far as I know, he never spoke with Gail again. 826 00:38:27,567 --> 00:38:31,667 [narrator] Ron had been declared legally dead in 1986 827 00:38:31,667 --> 00:38:34,108 and Gail had received an insurance payout. 828 00:38:34,108 --> 00:38:34,500 and Gail had received an insurance payout. 829 00:38:34,567 --> 00:38:35,000 {\an8}[Dave] He... he explained to me later on that insurance money 830 00:38:37,266 --> 00:38:39,066 {\an8}that his first wife had got, 831 00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:40,767 {\an8}once he contacted her, 832 00:38:40,767 --> 00:38:44,467 {\an8}she was quite PO'd about the whole thing and... 833 00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:48,367 and paid the money back to the insurance company, so. 834 00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:51,000 So there's no fraud or anything there. 835 00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:52,767 [Tim] His father's funeral may have been a time 836 00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:57,400 when he realized that he can't undo what he did in 1977. 837 00:38:57,467 --> 00:39:00,467 And so, in reaction to that, 838 00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:04,108 that might have been what spurred looking for another new life. 839 00:39:04,108 --> 00:39:04,266 that might have been what spurred looking for another new life. 840 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:08,166 [narrator] Deborah never talks to Jeff again. 841 00:39:09,367 --> 00:39:11,200 [Deborah] I was sitting in one of the airports 842 00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:14,166 and he... I saw that he was calling 843 00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:16,266 and it just went to voicemail 844 00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:18,400 and he said that he had forgiven me 845 00:39:18,467 --> 00:39:20,100 for everything I'd done to him. 846 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,100 And at this point I was just done. 847 00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,100 I just could hardly even react, 848 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:28,000 you know, I just couldn't stand him. 849 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:32,100 [narrator] Months later, Deborah speaks to his old friend Dave Semple, 850 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,108 who explains why he never told her the truth. 851 00:39:34,108 --> 00:39:34,700 who explains why he never told her the truth. 852 00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:40,567 He just explained that, you know, we had a good life. 853 00:39:40,567 --> 00:39:42,166 We seemed happy, 854 00:39:42,166 --> 00:39:45,367 and they just did not feel like 855 00:39:45,367 --> 00:39:48,100 it was their place to fly in here 856 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,600 and tell me everything and destroy my life. 857 00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:58,767 I myself submitted letters to HHS, Fraud Abuse. 858 00:39:58,767 --> 00:40:00,767 I think I wrote three different divisions 859 00:40:00,767 --> 00:40:03,000 of Medicare and Social Security 860 00:40:03,066 --> 00:40:04,108 and let them know who Jeff really was. 861 00:40:04,108 --> 00:40:05,000 and let them know who Jeff really was. 862 00:40:07,066 --> 00:40:11,667 And as far as I know, you know, nobody ever pursued it. 863 00:40:11,667 --> 00:40:14,900 [narrator] Jeff never faces criminal charges for arson, 864 00:40:14,967 --> 00:40:19,066 identity theft, bigamy or any of his misadventures, 865 00:40:19,066 --> 00:40:22,400 but his life goes downhill after his divorce from Deborah. 866 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,166 {\an8}I don't know what happened there, 867 00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:28,567 {\an8}but he wound up, I think, living almost a homeless life for a while. 868 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:32,600 And then he... 869 00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:34,108 the next day I heard from little Jeff. 870 00:40:34,108 --> 00:40:35,000 the next day I heard from little Jeff. 871 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:40,100 And that, I think it was 2019 that that... 872 00:40:40,166 --> 00:40:41,767 that his dad had just passed away. 873 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:56,667 [narrator] Jeff may have left behind a trail of damaged lives, 874 00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:59,467 but Deborah transcended his betrayal, 875 00:40:59,467 --> 00:41:01,100 although it took her some time. 876 00:41:02,667 --> 00:41:04,108 [Deborah] I just went through a lot of periods of just being 877 00:41:04,108 --> 00:41:05,000 [Deborah] I just went through a lot of periods of just being 878 00:41:05,867 --> 00:41:07,700 furious, angry... 879 00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:11,767 turned it on myself sometimes, 880 00:41:11,767 --> 00:41:13,400 you know, how could you? 881 00:41:13,467 --> 00:41:19,667 Ah, and then resentful at all the best years of my life 882 00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:20,800 I'd spent with him. 883 00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:26,500 The job that I've moved into, 884 00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:30,667 it is the focus entirely is domestic abuse, 885 00:41:30,667 --> 00:41:34,100 family abuse, particularly women, but families. 886 00:41:36,066 --> 00:41:37,667 I'm a director of a program 887 00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:40,100 that that's our total focus. 888 00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:43,667 {\an8}And I feel like it's fulfilling a commitment I made 889 00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:45,667 {\an8}right after this happened 890 00:41:45,667 --> 00:41:49,667 {\an8}that I would always help others in this situation. 891 00:41:49,667 --> 00:41:52,700 {\an8}Because we can go on to not only survive, we can live. 892 00:41:53,767 --> 00:41:55,667 {\an8}And I feel like I live. 893 00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:57,400 {\an8}Not just a survivor, I live. 894 00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:00,667 {\an8}That's what I would want 895 00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,500 {\an8}for others. 896 00:42:02,567 --> 00:42:04,100 {\an8}We're warrior women. 897 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:04,108 {\an8}We're very strong. 898 00:42:04,108 --> 00:42:05,000 {\an8}We're very strong.