1 00:00:01,567 --> 00:00:03,400 [narrator] Single mom Wilda Gadd 2 00:00:03,467 --> 00:00:06,166 has always put family first. 3 00:00:06,166 --> 00:00:08,200 It was a perfect country life with all your family 4 00:00:08,266 --> 00:00:09,700 right there around you. 5 00:00:09,767 --> 00:00:12,066 [narrator] So when she finally meets a man 6 00:00:12,066 --> 00:00:16,600 who shares her values, she's sure he's the one. 7 00:00:16,667 --> 00:00:18,100 Being the way he was with my kids, 8 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:21,166 our whole relationship just kind of blossomed. 9 00:00:21,166 --> 00:00:22,967 [narrator] But their marriage will be haunted 10 00:00:22,967 --> 00:00:25,767 by the mystery surrounding his family. 11 00:00:26,967 --> 00:00:28,300 There was a lot of rumors. 12 00:00:28,367 --> 00:00:30,000 There's no way she would have walked off 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,100 There's no way she would have walked off 14 00:00:30,166 --> 00:00:31,000 and left that child. 15 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:33,800 Sam never showed up. 16 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:35,066 Never heard from him. 17 00:00:35,066 --> 00:00:37,400 [Regina] Sam ain't never take no vacations. 18 00:00:37,467 --> 00:00:39,266 Sam Thomas was really missing. 19 00:00:39,266 --> 00:00:40,367 We've got a problem. 20 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,467 Both of them were murdered. 21 00:00:42,467 --> 00:00:45,667 His body was found without his head. 22 00:00:45,667 --> 00:00:48,266 Now they are also realizing that the kids are missing. 23 00:00:48,266 --> 00:00:49,967 And it made me sick to my stomach. 24 00:00:49,967 --> 00:00:52,066 [narrator] To stop a killing streak, 25 00:00:52,066 --> 00:00:55,266 Wilda has to put her own life at risk. 26 00:00:55,266 --> 00:00:58,400 My mom is the only living witness. 27 00:00:58,467 --> 00:01:00,000 If he found out that she turned on him, 28 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,867 If he found out that she turned on him, 29 00:01:00,867 --> 00:01:01,000 she'd have been as dead as the rest of 'em. 30 00:01:22,166 --> 00:01:24,066 I grew up out in the country, 31 00:01:25,166 --> 00:01:27,500 {\an8}Chickamauga, Georgia, is about 10 miles outside 32 00:01:27,567 --> 00:01:29,166 of Chattanooga, Tennessee. 33 00:01:29,166 --> 00:01:30,000 It's a little small country town. 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 It's a little small country town. 35 00:01:33,066 --> 00:01:34,500 [narrator] From the youngest age, 36 00:01:34,567 --> 00:01:37,200 family is everything to Wilda Gadd. 37 00:01:38,667 --> 00:01:42,567 My grandfather owns several acres, so we grew up 38 00:01:42,567 --> 00:01:45,367 with more family for neighbors than anything else. 39 00:01:45,367 --> 00:01:48,000 And we were able to run the streets and woods 40 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:50,467 and fields without any harm to come to us. 41 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:53,100 Wilda is my sister. 42 00:01:53,166 --> 00:01:56,000 {\an8}We had a pretty much normal childhood 43 00:01:56,066 --> 00:01:58,700 {\an8}as far as getting out, playing and grandparents 44 00:01:58,767 --> 00:02:00,000 down the street. 45 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,066 down the street. 46 00:02:03,367 --> 00:02:04,767 Wilda was very smart. 47 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:08,166 She still is. 48 00:02:08,166 --> 00:02:09,867 Book smart. 49 00:02:09,867 --> 00:02:11,266 Common sense smart. 50 00:02:11,266 --> 00:02:13,667 Her whole dream in life was to be a doctor. 51 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:15,166 Shortly after I finished high school, 52 00:02:15,166 --> 00:02:16,367 I actually went to college. 53 00:02:16,367 --> 00:02:18,100 I was a pre-med major. 54 00:02:18,166 --> 00:02:20,500 I let a high school sweetheart get in my way. 55 00:02:20,567 --> 00:02:23,667 So I did drop out of college for a while, and I did join 56 00:02:23,667 --> 00:02:27,266 the United States Air Force in '83. 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,000 Due to a heart condition I was shortly 58 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,500 Due to a heart condition I was shortly 59 00:02:30,567 --> 00:02:31,000 discharged on medical. 60 00:02:32,266 --> 00:02:34,266 I then married my first husband 61 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:37,400 on New Year's Day in '84. 62 00:02:37,467 --> 00:02:39,100 Her whole life she wanted children. 63 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:41,567 They had a little boy, which was Bradley, 64 00:02:41,567 --> 00:02:43,867 and they had a daughter. 65 00:02:43,867 --> 00:02:45,700 I was actually born in Okinawa, Japan, 66 00:02:45,767 --> 00:02:47,100 {\an8}on Kadena Air Base. 67 00:02:47,166 --> 00:02:49,266 {\an8}And my dad was an MP with the Air Force. 68 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:51,500 Closer to the end of our stay there 69 00:02:51,567 --> 00:02:53,767 my husband's mentality changed. 70 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,100 Our marriage ended in '88. 71 00:02:58,100 --> 00:02:59,867 And around that time me and my kids 72 00:02:59,867 --> 00:03:00,000 returned to Chickamauga. 73 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 returned to Chickamauga. 74 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,567 When we did get back to Georgia, 75 00:03:05,567 --> 00:03:08,367 we were all kind of hanging out at my grandparents house 76 00:03:08,367 --> 00:03:09,700 and Sam was there. 77 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,000 Sam was mom's brother. 78 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,300 He's probably our favorite uncle. 79 00:03:15,367 --> 00:03:16,467 [chuckles] 80 00:03:16,467 --> 00:03:18,100 We always stood outside, peeking out to see 81 00:03:18,166 --> 00:03:20,166 when Sam was like coming, you know, up the drive. 82 00:03:21,066 --> 00:03:23,166 It was like Santa Claus coming. 83 00:03:23,166 --> 00:03:25,500 [narrator] Sam Thomas had been at all the family 84 00:03:25,567 --> 00:03:28,800 dinners with his wife, Betty, and stepson, Howard, 85 00:03:28,867 --> 00:03:30,000 when Wilda and Regina were growing up. 86 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 when Wilda and Regina were growing up. 87 00:03:31,467 --> 00:03:33,567 About the time I was in middle school, 88 00:03:33,567 --> 00:03:36,266 I learned that Sam and Betty had split up. 89 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:38,100 To me as a kid it was shocking to find out 90 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:39,367 that her and Howard were no longer 91 00:03:39,367 --> 00:03:40,767 gonna be part of our family. 92 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:43,900 [narrator] And now it's like old times 93 00:03:43,967 --> 00:03:46,600 when Howard returns to visit as an adult. 94 00:03:47,467 --> 00:03:49,367 {\an8}Wilda, she thought he was charming. 95 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:51,567 {\an8}She... she thought he was handsome. 96 00:03:51,567 --> 00:03:53,300 He seemed to be a fun-loving guy. 97 00:03:53,367 --> 00:03:54,800 He was always laughing and cutting up. 98 00:03:55,867 --> 00:03:58,266 [narrator] Like Wilda, Howard is navigating 99 00:03:58,266 --> 00:04:00,000 the new challenges of being a single parent. 100 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 the new challenges of being a single parent. 101 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:07,000 Howard had a child that he was taking care of by himself, Kelli. 102 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:10,100 She was four or five-years-old. 103 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,100 She was Howard's daughter by his first wife, 104 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:15,266 Debbie Winegar. 105 00:04:16,967 --> 00:04:19,300 This is just what I know of the story. 106 00:04:19,367 --> 00:04:23,367 Debbie ran off and left and abandoned the child. 107 00:04:23,367 --> 00:04:26,166 You know, it was just a heartbreaking situation. 108 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:28,867 The love of his life just walked off and left him for no reason. 109 00:04:28,867 --> 00:04:30,000 Don't know whether she's dead or alive. 110 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,400 Don't know whether she's dead or alive. 111 00:04:30,467 --> 00:04:31,000 And now he's got a child that he doesn't know 112 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:34,100 how to explain what's happened to her mom. 113 00:04:39,767 --> 00:04:41,800 One of the things that really attracted me to Howard 114 00:04:41,867 --> 00:04:44,500 was the fact he wanted to be a family man. 115 00:04:44,567 --> 00:04:47,767 Howard was such a loving, kind, gentle person 116 00:04:47,767 --> 00:04:50,600 and knowing that Sam helped raise him, 117 00:04:51,867 --> 00:04:53,133 I think she felt safe. 118 00:04:57,266 --> 00:04:59,400 [narrator] Wilda and her kids are about to head off 119 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:00,000 on a Disneyland vacation. 120 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 on a Disneyland vacation. 121 00:05:02,467 --> 00:05:03,967 The timing couldn't be better. 122 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:09,567 Kelli was having such a good time with my kids 123 00:05:09,567 --> 00:05:11,967 that I was approached by Howard and Sam 124 00:05:11,967 --> 00:05:15,000 about maybe her going with me to Disney. 125 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:17,867 We took her with us. 126 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:20,567 Watching Kelli interact with my kids, 127 00:05:20,567 --> 00:05:24,100 you wouldn't have known that they were not true brother and sister. 128 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:26,767 Once our visit was over at Disney, Howard's intentions 129 00:05:26,767 --> 00:05:29,700 originally was to come out there and he was gonna take 130 00:05:29,767 --> 00:05:30,000 Kelli back to Chattanooga with him. 131 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Kelli back to Chattanooga with him. 132 00:05:31,967 --> 00:05:34,467 But she kind of clung to me and got attached to me. 133 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:35,867 I wanted to take her and, you know, 134 00:05:35,867 --> 00:05:38,266 kind of be that step-in for her as long as I could. 135 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 [narrator] The next step seems only logical to Howard and Wilda. 136 00:05:46,867 --> 00:05:49,467 Join forces as two single parents 137 00:05:49,467 --> 00:05:51,400 raising their children together. 138 00:05:53,567 --> 00:05:56,200 All of us, Howard, Kelli, my kids, 139 00:05:56,266 --> 00:05:57,600 we all moved in together. 140 00:05:58,567 --> 00:05:59,967 And so me and Howard, you know, 141 00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:00,000 we started more as friends. 142 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 we started more as friends. 143 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:06,700 I don't exactly remember the moment it became romantic. 144 00:06:08,467 --> 00:06:10,867 We just kind of gravitated towards each other. 145 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:12,467 I knew with my uncle's, you know, 146 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:15,000 him helping upbringing that he was a decent guy, 147 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,967 it just kind of blossomed. 148 00:06:16,967 --> 00:06:18,266 It was what I wanted. 149 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:22,166 They just seemed to bond real quickly. 150 00:06:22,166 --> 00:06:24,266 It seemed to go real fast. 151 00:06:24,266 --> 00:06:27,600 He was very cuddly, no matter where you were at. 152 00:06:27,667 --> 00:06:30,000 You know, he made you feel loved and wanted. 153 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,400 You know, he made you feel loved and wanted. 154 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:33,467 It seemed like he was the perfect person 155 00:06:33,467 --> 00:06:36,667 to fit in with the family, and wanted to be with that family. 156 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:42,300 [narrator] But there are those who would break this happy family up, 157 00:06:42,367 --> 00:06:45,467 and they've got lawyers. 158 00:06:45,467 --> 00:06:50,200 I was beginning to learn more about Howard's custody battle at the time. 159 00:06:50,266 --> 00:06:53,567 The court battle started after Debbie disappeared. 160 00:06:53,567 --> 00:06:57,367 Her sister and her mother filed for custody of Kelli. 161 00:06:57,367 --> 00:07:00,000 Howard got Debbie pregnant when she was married to someone else. 162 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Howard got Debbie pregnant when she was married to someone else. 163 00:07:01,266 --> 00:07:05,066 So with Howard not having his name on Kelli's birth certificate, 164 00:07:05,066 --> 00:07:08,867 he was not considered her legitimate father. 165 00:07:08,867 --> 00:07:10,867 Their view was Howard was the bad guy. 166 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:12,867 Howard broke up the marriage. 167 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:15,867 The judge pretty much made the decision to remove Kelli 168 00:07:15,867 --> 00:07:19,400 from Howard's custody without ever hearing Howard's side of the story. 169 00:07:19,467 --> 00:07:21,900 Our whole family, you know, felt for Howard and felt 170 00:07:21,967 --> 00:07:25,266 that he was being done wrong by the justice system in Bradley County. 171 00:07:25,266 --> 00:07:26,967 [narrator] Wilda doesn't have the knowledge 172 00:07:26,967 --> 00:07:30,000 or training to take on a court battle, at least not yet. 173 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 or training to take on a court battle, at least not yet. 174 00:07:31,767 --> 00:07:34,266 The law always interested me, so I returned 175 00:07:34,266 --> 00:07:38,100 to junior college to study paralegal. 176 00:07:38,166 --> 00:07:41,066 She was always smiling and happy and going along. 177 00:07:43,567 --> 00:07:45,300 But there was a lot of rumors. 178 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:50,700 I had heard rumors that Howard had killed Debbie Winegar 179 00:07:50,767 --> 00:07:53,567 and buried her in the basement. 180 00:07:53,567 --> 00:07:57,567 And then I had heard other rumors that he had killed her and hauled her off, 181 00:07:57,567 --> 00:08:00,000 because supposedly there's no way she would have walked off 182 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 because supposedly there's no way she would have walked off 183 00:08:01,166 --> 00:08:02,467 and left that child. 184 00:08:02,467 --> 00:08:04,100 So I don't know. 185 00:08:04,166 --> 00:08:05,767 [narrator] The rumors had started 186 00:08:05,767 --> 00:08:09,166 when Debbie Winegar went missing in the fall of '87, 187 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:12,467 just a few months before Wilda and Howard remet. 188 00:08:15,467 --> 00:08:19,000 Debbie's family reported her missing all in 1987. 189 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,100 When they tried to talk with her 190 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,767 she was never available to talk. 191 00:08:22,767 --> 00:08:25,900 You haven't talked to your sister in over a month 192 00:08:25,967 --> 00:08:28,467 because she's been sick or headache 193 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:30,000 or couldn't come to the phone. 194 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,100 or couldn't come to the phone. 195 00:08:30,166 --> 00:08:31,000 They got highly suspicious and that's when Howard 196 00:08:33,166 --> 00:08:36,600 told them that she had left. 197 00:08:36,667 --> 00:08:39,467 And so Debbie's family felt like he had done 198 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:41,500 something with her. 199 00:08:41,567 --> 00:08:43,500 [Erica] He had filed to get divorced from Debbie, 200 00:08:43,567 --> 00:08:45,000 and it was stayed hung up in court 201 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:47,500 because she was still considered a missing person 202 00:08:47,567 --> 00:08:51,100 and he was listed as a person of interest. 203 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:53,567 I felt really bad for Howard because from the side 204 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:55,967 that I was hearing, he was totally in the right. 205 00:08:57,266 --> 00:08:59,800 [narrator] After months of researching legal options, 206 00:08:59,867 --> 00:09:00,000 Wilda and Howard are able to put the malicious rumors to rest 207 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Wilda and Howard are able to put the malicious rumors to rest 208 00:09:03,367 --> 00:09:08,667 when Debbie supposedly shows up at Howard's lawyer's office. 209 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:11,867 His receptionist said the girl looked like Debbie, 210 00:09:11,867 --> 00:09:13,266 brought the papers in here and says, 211 00:09:13,266 --> 00:09:15,166 "Here, I've signed 'em. I want a divorce." 212 00:09:15,166 --> 00:09:18,400 And there was also a document signed giving Howard custody of Kelli. 213 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:21,867 [narrator] It's hard to imagine a happier ending 214 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:24,000 to all Wilda's worries. 215 00:09:24,066 --> 00:09:25,200 That sounded great to me. 216 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Debbie's back, his supposedly dead ex-wife. 217 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,467 Here she is. She showed up. 218 00:09:29,467 --> 00:09:30,000 She's alive. She's not dead. 219 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 She's alive. She's not dead. 220 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:36,000 [narrator] The fact is, it's only the beginning of Wilda's nightmare. 221 00:09:36,066 --> 00:09:38,000 The worst is yet to come. 222 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:41,000 It's just sometimes just the gut feeling 223 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,967 you get about a person's sometimes not right. 224 00:09:44,266 --> 00:09:47,467 It had become a mission in my mind to solve this case, 225 00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:52,367 and I wish that I could have, because three people would still be alive today. 226 00:09:56,367 --> 00:09:58,500 [narrator] Wilda Gadd and Howard Hawk Willis 227 00:09:58,567 --> 00:10:01,000 are thrilled to learn that Howard's wife 228 00:10:01,066 --> 00:10:03,767 has reappeared at Howard's lawyer's office 229 00:10:03,767 --> 00:10:06,166 just long enough to serve divorce papers. 230 00:10:07,867 --> 00:10:09,767 Debbie looks to be alive and well 231 00:10:09,767 --> 00:10:13,066 despite all of her family's unproven accusations. 232 00:10:16,066 --> 00:10:17,100 {\an8}It was a relief. 233 00:10:17,166 --> 00:10:19,100 {\an8}Legal battles would be over. 234 00:10:19,166 --> 00:10:22,667 [narrator] But Howard's lawyer is not so certain. 235 00:10:22,667 --> 00:10:24,844 The lawyer asked about it because the signature 236 00:10:24,844 --> 00:10:25,000 The lawyer asked about it because the signature 237 00:10:25,767 --> 00:10:28,100 didn't match who they had on file. 238 00:10:28,166 --> 00:10:30,166 The lawyer questioned it being true, 239 00:10:30,166 --> 00:10:32,667 he made the comment that maybe someone had come in there 240 00:10:32,667 --> 00:10:34,667 portraying to be Debbie. 241 00:10:34,667 --> 00:10:38,767 He wasn't going to put a document that he was sure was falsified in court. 242 00:10:38,767 --> 00:10:41,667 Of course, Howard denied knowing anything about it to the lawyer. 243 00:10:43,266 --> 00:10:45,000 I asked Howard what he knew. 244 00:10:45,066 --> 00:10:48,166 Finally, Howard admitted he had someone dress up 245 00:10:48,166 --> 00:10:50,400 like Debbie and take the divorce papers 246 00:10:50,467 --> 00:10:52,166 to Willis Jackson's office. 247 00:10:53,667 --> 00:10:54,844 Someone he knew in Oklahoma who matched 248 00:10:54,844 --> 00:10:55,000 Someone he knew in Oklahoma who matched 249 00:10:55,767 --> 00:10:57,567 her description, who was willing to go 250 00:10:57,567 --> 00:10:58,867 in there and portray to be Debbie 251 00:10:58,867 --> 00:11:01,567 so he could get his divorce without any more issues. 252 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:13,367 Knowing that he was willing to have someone 253 00:11:13,367 --> 00:11:16,266 impersonate his ex-wife kind of was off-nerving. 254 00:11:16,266 --> 00:11:17,800 It kind of throws up red flags. 255 00:11:17,867 --> 00:11:19,567 But, you know, he smooths it out. 256 00:11:19,567 --> 00:11:21,700 He was so charming and smooth-talking. 257 00:11:21,767 --> 00:11:23,200 You didn't wanna think he was wrong. 258 00:11:24,867 --> 00:11:25,000 I really wanted to believe that Howard was a 100 percent truthful. 259 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,800 [narrator] Once Howard is caught in one lie, 260 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:34,367 everything starts unraveling. 261 00:11:34,367 --> 00:11:37,066 After Debbie went missing two years earlier, 262 00:11:37,066 --> 00:11:39,667 custody of her and Howard's daughter had been granted 263 00:11:39,667 --> 00:11:42,100 to Debbie's family, not to Howard. 264 00:11:44,767 --> 00:11:46,867 I honestly didn't know that Howard had lost custody, 265 00:11:46,867 --> 00:11:48,867 but apparently he didn't have custody 266 00:11:50,266 --> 00:11:51,767 and he was wanted for kidnapping. 267 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:54,844 I learned Howard was arrested for federal kidnapping, 268 00:11:54,844 --> 00:11:55,000 I learned Howard was arrested for federal kidnapping, 269 00:11:56,266 --> 00:11:57,500 actually on the news. 270 00:11:58,667 --> 00:12:01,266 [narrator] Wilda and Sam come to Howard's rescue. 271 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:04,867 He walked in courtroom. 272 00:12:04,867 --> 00:12:06,700 We signed bond papers and walked back out. 273 00:12:09,467 --> 00:12:13,467 But in the meantime, Kelli was placed in the custody of her aunt, Gertrude Clark. 274 00:12:14,967 --> 00:12:17,266 At the time I didn't realize a grandmother and an aunt 275 00:12:17,266 --> 00:12:20,800 would wanna take the child away from her only parent that she knew. 276 00:12:20,867 --> 00:12:22,867 It was horrifying. 277 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,844 Kelli is in Virginia, away from the one person 278 00:12:24,844 --> 00:12:25,000 Kelli is in Virginia, away from the one person 279 00:12:25,266 --> 00:12:27,900 that was her solid support for all the years. 280 00:12:36,467 --> 00:12:39,266 [narrator] It's the beginning of a long, dark chapter 281 00:12:39,266 --> 00:12:41,000 for Howard and Wilda. 282 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,667 But during that time, they do get a little good news. 283 00:12:45,667 --> 00:12:48,300 [Wilda] Finally, Howard was granted a divorce from Debbie 284 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:52,066 on unreconciled differences and abandonment. 285 00:12:52,066 --> 00:12:54,844 [narrator] Howard is once again an eligible bachelor. 286 00:12:54,844 --> 00:12:55,000 [narrator] Howard is once again an eligible bachelor. 287 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,700 [Wilda] We just, on the spur of the moment, 288 00:12:58,767 --> 00:13:00,867 walked into a judge's chamber and got married. 289 00:13:04,166 --> 00:13:06,367 {\an8}You can really see what Wilda saw in him. 290 00:13:06,367 --> 00:13:09,467 {\an8}A charming, handsome man who loves children. 291 00:13:09,467 --> 00:13:11,300 He loved her. He was good to her. 292 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,500 We went out and had a nice dinner. 293 00:13:15,567 --> 00:13:18,200 We spent one night away and then we returned home. 294 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,800 Being husband and wife, it kind of gave me some relief 295 00:13:22,867 --> 00:13:24,844 knowing that, you know, we still had had our relationship 296 00:13:24,844 --> 00:13:25,000 knowing that, you know, we still had had our relationship 297 00:13:26,066 --> 00:13:27,567 no matter what happened. 298 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:34,166 [narrator] There is still one downside to Wilda's married life, 299 00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:38,200 and that's Howard's mother, Betty, who takes a strong dislike 300 00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:42,867 to her new daughter-in-law because she is the niece of her ex-husband, Sam. 301 00:13:42,867 --> 00:13:45,567 Betty, his mother, always hated me. 302 00:13:45,567 --> 00:13:46,667 She didn't want me around. 303 00:13:46,667 --> 00:13:49,000 So there was always a conflict of struggle there. 304 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Betty Willis did threaten her daughter-in-law, Wilda, several times. 305 00:13:53,867 --> 00:13:54,844 She threatened to shoot her with a long gun at some point. 306 00:13:54,844 --> 00:13:55,000 She threatened to shoot her with a long gun at some point. 307 00:13:57,467 --> 00:13:59,800 She definitely threatened to cut her up into pieces. 308 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,667 We like to call her crazy, but she was evil. 309 00:14:03,667 --> 00:14:05,367 It's not just me. 310 00:14:05,367 --> 00:14:07,567 She was against Howard being involved with anybody 311 00:14:07,567 --> 00:14:09,100 other than doing what she wanted 312 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:10,800 when she wanted to. 313 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:19,467 [narrator] Wilda and Howard never stopped their fight to win Kelli back. 314 00:14:19,467 --> 00:14:22,867 And finally, Wilda's ongoing law studies pay off, 315 00:14:22,867 --> 00:14:24,844 when she files charges against the judge in Howard's custody case. 316 00:14:24,844 --> 00:14:25,000 when she files charges against the judge in Howard's custody case. 317 00:14:27,967 --> 00:14:32,100 The judge admitted to having ex parte hearings, 318 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:33,700 which means he was meeting one on one 319 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:37,100 with a lawyer, not with the whole group of lawyers, and making decisions. 320 00:14:37,166 --> 00:14:40,600 And they forced him to refuse himself from Howard's case. 321 00:14:42,867 --> 00:14:45,367 [narrator] And after two long years of legal battles, 322 00:14:45,367 --> 00:14:47,700 a DNA test yields a breakthrough. 323 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,467 It proves with 99 percent certainty 324 00:14:52,467 --> 00:14:54,844 Howard is Kelli's natural father. 325 00:14:54,844 --> 00:14:55,000 Howard is Kelli's natural father. 326 00:14:56,467 --> 00:14:58,867 [Wilda] So Howard was able to regain custody of Kelli 327 00:14:58,867 --> 00:15:01,300 because we were able to get him recognized as her father. 328 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 That was one of the best victories we honestly had against Bradley County Courts. 329 00:15:09,166 --> 00:15:11,867 By then the kids were almost middle school. 330 00:15:11,867 --> 00:15:15,500 We were given custody of Kelli the first part of December, 331 00:15:15,567 --> 00:15:17,767 and we drove to Virginia to pick her up 332 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:19,467 on Christmas Eve and bring her home. 333 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,567 Sam was with us. 334 00:15:22,567 --> 00:15:24,000 It made for a great Christmas. 335 00:15:25,066 --> 00:15:26,166 That was like a dream come true. 336 00:15:26,166 --> 00:15:28,033 I finally had my happy ever after. 337 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:39,000 After we got custody of Kelli, we decided that we wanted to build our own house. 338 00:15:39,066 --> 00:15:43,100 We didn't pick a plan out of a book and hand it to a contractor and say, "do it". 339 00:15:43,166 --> 00:15:45,700 The house we built was 100 percent built out of love. 340 00:15:51,967 --> 00:15:54,300 [narrator] But now they have to pay for the mortgage. 341 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,367 Howard had been a long haul truck driver 342 00:15:57,367 --> 00:15:59,400 prior to us getting together years back, 343 00:16:00,266 --> 00:16:02,100 so he decided the best way, 344 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:05,667 you know, to make money, he was wanting to drive an 18 wheeler. 345 00:16:05,667 --> 00:16:08,867 So Sam and me went in halves and bought an 18 wheeler. 346 00:16:08,867 --> 00:16:12,166 We titled it SH&W Trucking, Sam, Howard and Wilda. 347 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,000 We had an operating authority, 348 00:16:15,066 --> 00:16:16,400 which meant I could book our loads. 349 00:16:16,467 --> 00:16:18,667 I would reach out to different companies to see 350 00:16:18,667 --> 00:16:20,000 if they had loads in our area. 351 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,567 I did that for several years and then Howard come across 352 00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:24,844 a guy in Brownsville, Texas. 353 00:16:24,844 --> 00:16:25,000 a guy in Brownsville, Texas. 354 00:16:28,066 --> 00:16:30,667 Howard started letting this guy book his loads 355 00:16:30,667 --> 00:16:33,100 to and from wherever he chose to go. 356 00:16:37,867 --> 00:16:40,700 He was making regular trips from Mexico to New York, 357 00:16:40,767 --> 00:16:42,066 hauling citrus. 358 00:16:43,367 --> 00:16:45,567 When Howard started doing long hauls all the time, 359 00:16:45,567 --> 00:16:48,867 wanting to be gone more than he was home, things changed. 360 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:52,467 Family wasn't as important to him as him going 361 00:16:52,467 --> 00:16:54,844 and making money or doing whatever he was doing. 362 00:16:54,844 --> 00:16:55,000 and making money or doing whatever he was doing. 363 00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:59,467 [narrator] In fact, Howard's plans for a nest egg 364 00:16:59,467 --> 00:17:03,767 are about to explode spectacularly. 365 00:17:03,767 --> 00:17:05,367 When the police first called me and told me 366 00:17:05,367 --> 00:17:07,700 that they had found our truck, it has been abandoned 367 00:17:07,767 --> 00:17:10,700 on a side road, it's been here overnight. 368 00:17:10,767 --> 00:17:11,934 And they said, "Who was driving?" 369 00:17:11,967 --> 00:17:14,900 I said, "Howard Willis. He's my husband. Where is he?" 370 00:17:14,967 --> 00:17:16,567 And they said, "The truck's been sitting here. 371 00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:18,066 We've not seen anybody." 372 00:17:18,066 --> 00:17:20,467 And they wanted to know if I knew where he was. 373 00:17:21,467 --> 00:17:23,266 So I'm in shock not knowing what's going on. 374 00:17:23,266 --> 00:17:24,767 I have no way of calling Howard, 375 00:17:24,767 --> 00:17:24,844 because cell phones then were limited 376 00:17:24,844 --> 00:17:25,000 because cell phones then were limited 377 00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:28,667 and they questioned me. 378 00:17:28,667 --> 00:17:31,400 I really feel they were trying to see if I knew what was in the truck. 379 00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:33,266 My first thing is, is what happened to my husband? 380 00:17:34,166 --> 00:17:35,800 "Where's my truck? 381 00:17:35,867 --> 00:17:38,000 And where is Howard?" 382 00:17:41,767 --> 00:17:43,100 [narrator] Police in New York State 383 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:48,667 have found SH&W's 18 wheeler apparently abandoned 384 00:17:48,667 --> 00:17:50,800 with Howard's whereabouts unknown. 385 00:17:52,467 --> 00:17:55,900 {\an8}Howard calls me and he tells me he's at a motel 386 00:17:55,967 --> 00:17:57,800 and I ask him where the truck is. 387 00:17:57,867 --> 00:17:59,100 "They took it to unload it. 388 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:00,667 I'm waiting on him to bring it back." 389 00:18:00,667 --> 00:18:01,867 I called him out and I said, 390 00:18:01,867 --> 00:18:03,400 "No, the police have your truck." 391 00:18:03,467 --> 00:18:05,200 And so he starts kind of backpedaling 392 00:18:05,266 --> 00:18:06,900 like, "the guy picked the truck up, 393 00:18:06,967 --> 00:18:08,367 he was supposed to be bringing it back. 394 00:18:08,367 --> 00:18:09,467 It should be here any minute. 395 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:10,601 There's no way." 396 00:18:10,601 --> 00:18:10,900 There's no way." 397 00:18:10,967 --> 00:18:11,000 So between the police calling and Howard calling, 398 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:16,667 I'm kind of in limbo of who am I believing. 399 00:18:16,667 --> 00:18:19,567 Finally, the police asked me if they could search my truck. 400 00:18:19,567 --> 00:18:21,567 "Of course you can search my truck." 401 00:18:21,567 --> 00:18:24,700 [narrator] All Wilda thinks they'll find is citrus fruits, 402 00:18:24,767 --> 00:18:27,300 but that's not the case. 403 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:30,567 Howard hauled approximately 700 kilos of cocaine 404 00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:32,000 into the state of New York. 405 00:18:33,667 --> 00:18:36,700 That really blew my mind. 406 00:18:36,767 --> 00:18:38,600 I was shocked because that's not something 407 00:18:38,667 --> 00:18:40,100 I would have ever thought he would have done. 408 00:18:40,166 --> 00:18:40,601 Why on earth would you put everything we had at risk 409 00:18:40,601 --> 00:18:41,000 Why on earth would you put everything we had at risk 410 00:18:42,467 --> 00:18:44,567 for a drug charge? 411 00:18:44,567 --> 00:18:46,567 [narrator] Knowing he has no option, 412 00:18:46,567 --> 00:18:48,567 Howard turns himself in. 413 00:18:49,567 --> 00:18:51,867 And he's charged with one of the largest 414 00:18:51,867 --> 00:18:54,800 pure cocaine hauls into the United States. 415 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:59,000 Once we found out there were drugs on the truck, 416 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,700 Sam had a hard time believing that Howard didn't know it. 417 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:03,166 "What do you doing hauling drugs. 418 00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:04,567 What did you get involved in? 419 00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:06,967 You're totally against drugs, 420 00:19:06,967 --> 00:19:10,467 but yet you're gonna haul cocaine in to the United States 421 00:19:10,467 --> 00:19:10,601 that even your own kids could get a hold of." 422 00:19:10,601 --> 00:19:11,000 that even your own kids could get a hold of." 423 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,100 But Howard's able to convince everybody 424 00:19:16,166 --> 00:19:20,100 that he wasn't really a part of it and he don't know what happened. 425 00:19:20,166 --> 00:19:24,667 And in all honesty, to think back, he never gave us a satisfactory answer. 426 00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:27,567 [narrator] Wilda is livid about Howard's situation, 427 00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:29,900 but her mother-in-law is even angrier, 428 00:19:31,567 --> 00:19:34,100 and she blames Wilda for Howard's arrest. 429 00:19:35,767 --> 00:19:38,367 Betty starts sending death threats to us, start talking 430 00:19:38,367 --> 00:19:40,300 about how I'd be shot long range 431 00:19:40,367 --> 00:19:40,601 and I'd be chopped up in little pieces the way you couldn't identify me. 432 00:19:40,601 --> 00:19:41,000 and I'd be chopped up in little pieces the way you couldn't identify me. 433 00:19:44,066 --> 00:19:47,567 So between the drug charges and Betty threatening us, 434 00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:50,000 you know, it's a lot. 435 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:55,200 New York DEA offered a closed deal if he testified 436 00:19:55,266 --> 00:19:58,266 and gave names of where the cocaine came from, 437 00:19:58,266 --> 00:20:01,000 that he would just receive parole. 438 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,600 "You give us the information, you get 20 years probation and walk." 439 00:20:04,667 --> 00:20:08,100 Howard turned on a gentleman named Kenneth Adams. 440 00:20:08,166 --> 00:20:10,601 Supposedly, he's the one that actually arranged 441 00:20:10,601 --> 00:20:10,667 Supposedly, he's the one that actually arranged 442 00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:11,000 the deal with Howard to haul the drugs. 443 00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:15,567 I believe Sam had the bond posted for him. 444 00:20:16,467 --> 00:20:18,867 I think the bond was 200,000. 445 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:22,367 Sam believed in Howard. 446 00:20:22,367 --> 00:20:23,800 No matter what Howard did wrong, 447 00:20:23,867 --> 00:20:26,367 Sam always looked for the best in Howard. 448 00:20:26,367 --> 00:20:29,867 Sam thought Howard was a good son, but he wasn't. 449 00:20:31,166 --> 00:20:32,900 {\an8}He may have been a good son to his mother. 450 00:20:34,266 --> 00:20:35,367 {\an8}That's another story. 451 00:20:41,266 --> 00:20:43,800 After Howard posts bail and comes home, 452 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,667 {\an8}he realizes his world is kind of closing in on him. 453 00:20:52,467 --> 00:20:54,200 So now the truck is gone. 454 00:20:54,266 --> 00:20:56,600 Howard's home at the time. 455 00:20:56,667 --> 00:20:58,567 I'm the only one working. 456 00:20:58,567 --> 00:21:01,100 It's wearing on me because I'm doing it all. 457 00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:04,767 We're still acting husband and wife to an extent, 458 00:21:04,767 --> 00:21:06,567 but there's a great distance between us. 459 00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:10,601 Things really went sour between my mom and Howard 460 00:21:10,601 --> 00:21:11,000 Things really went sour between my mom and Howard 461 00:21:13,066 --> 00:21:17,000 {\an8}when Kelli started going a little teenage crazy. 462 00:21:18,266 --> 00:21:21,500 {\an8}I know that Wilda had a lot of struggles with her, 463 00:21:21,567 --> 00:21:24,100 {\an8}and I don't think Howard backed Wilda. 464 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:27,867 [narrator] In fact, Howard is openly defiant of Wilda 465 00:21:27,867 --> 00:21:30,867 and starts acting like a teenager himself. 466 00:21:30,867 --> 00:21:34,667 Wilda arrives home from work to discove a surprising scene. 467 00:21:35,767 --> 00:21:39,000 I start coming home with kids in my family room 468 00:21:39,066 --> 00:21:40,266 and in my dining room. 469 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:44,700 Boys and girls, sleeping bags, blankets, beds, 470 00:21:44,767 --> 00:21:47,767 whatever, you know, just wall to wall with kids. 471 00:21:47,767 --> 00:21:50,266 Howard's story was, "I'm trying to get along with Kelli. 472 00:21:50,266 --> 00:21:52,367 She's a teenager and I'm trying to let her 473 00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:55,166 have some space and have her friends over." 474 00:21:55,166 --> 00:21:57,667 I questioned him about it and Howard admitted 475 00:21:57,667 --> 00:21:59,367 the kids were drinking. 476 00:21:59,367 --> 00:22:02,667 It was very hurtful because that was against everything we believed. 477 00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:04,100 I said, "That's not appropriate. 478 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:05,367 This doesn't happen again." 479 00:22:15,266 --> 00:22:17,200 New Year's Eve, I got off at midnight. 480 00:22:18,967 --> 00:22:20,667 My two children, they told me Howard and Kelli 481 00:22:20,667 --> 00:22:22,567 went out with some of Kelli's friends. 482 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,467 So Howard tells me that him and the kids 483 00:22:25,467 --> 00:22:29,467 were out later than they meant to, and they had got a room. 484 00:22:29,467 --> 00:22:32,100 And so he decided to stay in the motel with, I think 485 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,467 there was eight teenagers at least. 486 00:22:34,467 --> 00:22:37,166 I wondered if there was more of a sexual relationship 487 00:22:37,166 --> 00:22:39,000 with some of the teenage girls. 488 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,601 It's not normal. 489 00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:40,667 It's not normal. 490 00:22:40,667 --> 00:22:41,000 And it really... And that's what broke... that's what broke my marriage. 491 00:22:53,467 --> 00:22:55,767 The only choice I can make was for me and Howard 492 00:22:55,767 --> 00:22:59,367 to split up, and me to protect what I had the most, my kids. 493 00:22:59,367 --> 00:23:02,867 Wilda gets an apartment and she works 494 00:23:02,867 --> 00:23:05,266 and takes care of her kids. 495 00:23:05,266 --> 00:23:07,100 [Wilda] I walked away from the house 'cause I knew 496 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:09,266 I couldn't afford the mortgage by myself at that point. 497 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:10,601 And I do know that she cried a lot. 498 00:23:10,601 --> 00:23:11,000 And I do know that she cried a lot. 499 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:13,467 It really broke her heart. 500 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:19,467 [Wilda] Once I moved out of the house, 501 00:23:19,467 --> 00:23:21,800 most of his group moved into the house 502 00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:24,367 and was staying there. 503 00:23:24,367 --> 00:23:28,467 [narrator] But Howard is not working and can't make the mortgage payments. 504 00:23:28,467 --> 00:23:32,767 He and the teens are essentially squatters intent on partying. 505 00:23:32,767 --> 00:23:35,367 It's like he had to be a 16-year-old himself 506 00:23:35,367 --> 00:23:38,100 and fit with the 16-year-olds. 507 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:40,601 Kelli had mentioned that her daddy was the one buying the beer. 508 00:23:40,601 --> 00:23:40,867 Kelli had mentioned that her daddy was the one buying the beer. 509 00:23:40,867 --> 00:23:41,000 He was the one buying the drugs, 510 00:23:42,767 --> 00:23:43,867 and he was letting 'em use it. 511 00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:45,367 He said he would rather then use it at home 512 00:23:45,367 --> 00:23:47,300 than be on the streets. 513 00:23:47,367 --> 00:23:49,200 Eventually, the bank had foreclosed on the house, 514 00:23:49,266 --> 00:23:51,567 so he was forced to move out of the house we had built. 515 00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:55,700 Him and the kids all moved to a house in Roseville 516 00:23:55,767 --> 00:23:57,800 late July, 1st of August. 517 00:23:57,867 --> 00:23:59,500 So he's living up there with them. 518 00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:03,767 He was getting money somehow to pay for their place. 519 00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:06,767 I'm assuming Betty was paying for it. 520 00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:21,266 In August of 2002, Howard called me. 521 00:24:22,266 --> 00:24:24,567 He's... "I'm just leaving the wedding chapel. 522 00:24:24,567 --> 00:24:27,000 Kelli got married, and Adam and Samantha got married." 523 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,467 And I'm like, "uh..." 524 00:24:30,467 --> 00:24:33,467 [narrator] Adam Chrismer and Samantha Leming Chrismer 525 00:24:33,467 --> 00:24:35,467 and Kelli's new husband, Brandon, 526 00:24:35,467 --> 00:24:38,100 are all 16 and 17-year-olds. 527 00:24:39,867 --> 00:24:40,601 A grown man taking two teenaged couples to get married. 528 00:24:40,601 --> 00:24:41,000 A grown man taking two teenaged couples to get married. 529 00:24:44,266 --> 00:24:47,000 Why? Why would he do that? 530 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,400 I don't know whether he was trying to keep 'em under his thumb. 531 00:24:52,567 --> 00:24:53,800 That's the only thing I can think of. 532 00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:55,467 It was a way to keep 'em close. 533 00:24:55,467 --> 00:24:57,567 It did appear that Howard controlled these kids. 534 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:03,767 When Howard and me first split up, 535 00:25:03,767 --> 00:25:06,367 Sam kind of faded a little bit out of our life 536 00:25:06,367 --> 00:25:08,800 because he thought it was all me. 537 00:25:08,867 --> 00:25:10,601 But Sam didn't realize that it was actually Howard 538 00:25:10,601 --> 00:25:11,000 But Sam didn't realize that it was actually Howard 539 00:25:11,266 --> 00:25:14,066 encouraging this and it was going on. 540 00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:17,166 But Sam himself actually went to the house one day and saw 541 00:25:17,166 --> 00:25:18,700 for himself the house was piled up 542 00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:20,600 with a bunch of teenagers and Howard. 543 00:25:20,667 --> 00:25:23,967 Sam very much voiced his opinion to Howard 544 00:25:23,967 --> 00:25:26,000 that he did not approve of it. 545 00:25:26,066 --> 00:25:29,000 [narrator] This is when Sam finally washes his hands 546 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,166 of the stepson he had once doted on. 547 00:25:32,567 --> 00:25:36,500 Sam started coming back around and he had pretty much washed 548 00:25:36,567 --> 00:25:37,667 his hands of Howard. 549 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:39,967 Sam was hurt. 550 00:25:39,967 --> 00:25:40,601 Kelli was Sam's really first grandchild. 551 00:25:40,601 --> 00:25:41,000 Kelli was Sam's really first grandchild. 552 00:25:42,467 --> 00:25:44,567 Kelli meant everything to him, and he, you know, 553 00:25:44,567 --> 00:25:46,200 always felt Howard would do right. 554 00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:52,266 Howard and me divorced July of 2002. 555 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,200 It's about me and my kids now. 556 00:26:00,266 --> 00:26:02,367 And them having the relationship with Sam 557 00:26:02,367 --> 00:26:05,066 that they still deserve, 'cause that is their grandfather. 558 00:26:05,967 --> 00:26:07,634 Sam was very important. 559 00:26:09,066 --> 00:26:10,601 I mean, he was there through a lot of things that went on with my grandparents. 560 00:26:10,601 --> 00:26:11,000 I mean, he was there through a lot of things that went on with my grandparents. 561 00:26:12,867 --> 00:26:14,667 And then when Howard started having issues, 562 00:26:14,667 --> 00:26:16,066 he was there for Howard. 563 00:26:16,066 --> 00:26:17,467 And then when Howard and me split up, 564 00:26:17,467 --> 00:26:21,467 he was still there for me and my kids until one day he wasn't. 565 00:26:26,767 --> 00:26:29,900 In September, my mom was having to have surgery. 566 00:26:29,967 --> 00:26:33,100 So Sam was gonna come down and help take care of the cattle. 567 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,367 He never showed up. 568 00:26:34,367 --> 00:26:35,767 Never heard from him. 569 00:26:35,767 --> 00:26:37,266 And that's not Sam. 570 00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:38,900 He was always very prompt. 571 00:26:38,967 --> 00:26:40,601 If he called and said, "I'm gonna be there at 9:00," 572 00:26:40,601 --> 00:26:40,867 If he called and said, "I'm gonna be there at 9:00," 573 00:26:40,867 --> 00:26:41,000 he's gonna be there at 9:00. 574 00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:43,400 Big red flag. 575 00:26:43,467 --> 00:26:45,500 Yeah, big red flag. Something wasn't right. 576 00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:47,467 We called periodically on that day 577 00:26:47,467 --> 00:26:48,567 trying to reach him. 578 00:26:48,567 --> 00:26:50,100 "Hey, give me a call back." 579 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:52,000 So by Monday, after not hearing 580 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,166 from him for several days, I decided to drive up there. 581 00:26:55,166 --> 00:26:56,667 Howard said he would go with me. 582 00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:58,867 It scared me. 583 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:00,967 That was the first time I had honestly been 584 00:27:00,967 --> 00:27:03,166 scared to death of what else I was gonna learn. 585 00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:05,567 [narrator] And what Wilda is about to learn 586 00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:07,767 will change her life forever. 587 00:27:09,767 --> 00:27:10,601 Something happened in that house. 588 00:27:10,601 --> 00:27:11,000 Something happened in that house. 589 00:27:11,667 --> 00:27:14,166 She was crying, just hysterical crying. 590 00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:17,700 And we were like, "Why would he do that?" 591 00:27:18,667 --> 00:27:20,667 He's not capable of doing that. 592 00:27:20,667 --> 00:27:21,634 There's no way. 593 00:27:24,967 --> 00:27:26,600 [narrator] Wilda Gadd is concerned 594 00:27:26,667 --> 00:27:29,800 when her Uncle Sam Thomas stops answering his phone. 595 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,867 Although Wilda and Howard are still estranged, 596 00:27:33,867 --> 00:27:36,567 she asks him to come with her to check on Sam. 597 00:27:40,467 --> 00:27:42,367 [Wilda] We walk around the outside of the house. 598 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,266 The house is locked. 599 00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:47,767 You know, tried to look in the windows. 600 00:27:48,967 --> 00:27:50,767 {\an8}My mom and my uncle, we had all talked 601 00:27:50,767 --> 00:27:53,391 {\an8}and they said, "Whatever you have to do, enter the house." 602 00:27:53,391 --> 00:27:53,467 {\an8}and they said, "Whatever you have to do, enter the house." 603 00:27:53,467 --> 00:27:54,000 So I use a credit card and enter the house. 604 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:00,400 {\an8}They found some pamphlets where he had been looking 605 00:28:00,467 --> 00:28:02,667 {\an8}about taking a trip, it looked like. 606 00:28:02,667 --> 00:28:05,767 And then Howard says, "Oh, I forgot to tell you. 607 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:07,600 Sam told me a... you know, 608 00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:09,100 the first of the month he was gonna buy 609 00:28:09,166 --> 00:28:11,266 a camper and he was gonna be out of town a while." 610 00:28:11,266 --> 00:28:13,667 Well, Sam ain't never take no trips. 611 00:28:13,667 --> 00:28:15,166 The only thing he did was drive a truck. 612 00:28:15,166 --> 00:28:17,667 He wasn't taking no trip vacations. 613 00:28:17,667 --> 00:28:20,266 So I believe those were posed. 614 00:28:20,266 --> 00:28:22,767 The overnight bag he always carried, we didn't see it. 615 00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:23,391 It was gone. 616 00:28:23,391 --> 00:28:23,967 It was gone. 617 00:28:23,967 --> 00:28:24,000 We saw his medicine in the cabinet. 618 00:28:25,867 --> 00:28:27,266 He had some high blood pressure 619 00:28:27,266 --> 00:28:29,800 and his carotid arteries were partially blocked. 620 00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:34,100 So that didn't make sense because Sam took care of himself. 621 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,166 So even though the truck's gone, we're still concerned. 622 00:28:36,166 --> 00:28:37,800 You know, maybe something's happened. 623 00:28:43,667 --> 00:28:46,367 My mom and my uncle drove to Bradley County 624 00:28:46,367 --> 00:28:47,900 and filed a missing person. 625 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,066 And Bradley County told 'em he was 73-year-old. 626 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:53,391 He could go and come as he pleases. 627 00:28:53,391 --> 00:28:54,000 He could go and come as he pleases. 628 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,500 Bradley County didn't take us seriously. 629 00:28:59,066 --> 00:29:01,667 We were going on a second week and no contact. 630 00:29:01,667 --> 00:29:04,667 And that's definitely not Sam. 631 00:29:04,667 --> 00:29:08,367 [narrator] Now, with more family and Sam's friends from church, 632 00:29:08,367 --> 00:29:10,700 Wilda mounts an intensive search. 633 00:29:14,767 --> 00:29:17,066 We walked my uncle's farmland. 634 00:29:17,066 --> 00:29:19,367 We weren't even five feet apart, we walked it. 635 00:29:19,367 --> 00:29:21,166 We searched the chicken houses. 636 00:29:21,166 --> 00:29:23,367 There were some small like grain silos. 637 00:29:23,367 --> 00:29:23,391 I mean, if we could move it, we moved it 638 00:29:23,391 --> 00:29:24,000 I mean, if we could move it, we moved it 639 00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:26,667 and turned it upside down. 640 00:29:26,667 --> 00:29:28,166 We searched the house again. 641 00:29:28,166 --> 00:29:32,100 Where then we found his overnight bag had been stuffed under stuff. 642 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,900 So what he normally carried that we thought was gone is there. 643 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,066 One of his church members says 644 00:29:38,066 --> 00:29:39,800 "Hey, that's the wrong chair. 645 00:29:39,867 --> 00:29:42,000 That chair belongs there. There's a chair missing." 646 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,800 The chair that was in the house, 647 00:29:43,867 --> 00:29:46,867 Sam's had it sitting in a certain spot, 648 00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:50,367 and you could see the marks on the carpet, you know, where he had it at. 649 00:29:50,367 --> 00:29:53,391 And when we moved it back there was a stain on the floor, 650 00:29:53,391 --> 00:29:54,000 And when we moved it back there was a stain on the floor, 651 00:29:54,567 --> 00:29:56,500 like, a big stain. 652 00:29:56,567 --> 00:29:57,700 Like a blood stain. 653 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,166 [Wilda] We found a really good picture of Sam 654 00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:11,000 and I had fliers made up to put on cars 655 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,100 or in buildings to look for Sam ourselves. 656 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,100 {\an8}We have hundreds of fliers made. 657 00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:19,767 {\an8}Going to restaurants, going to stores. 658 00:30:19,767 --> 00:30:21,567 We're just basically hoping each day 659 00:30:21,567 --> 00:30:22,867 that we'd hear something. 660 00:30:22,867 --> 00:30:23,391 Wilda decides she's gonna call a psychic in. 661 00:30:23,391 --> 00:30:24,000 Wilda decides she's gonna call a psychic in. 662 00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:27,266 Well, I don't believe in psychics. Never have. 663 00:30:27,266 --> 00:30:28,500 [chuckles] 664 00:30:28,567 --> 00:30:30,400 But he comes in and he tells her that, 665 00:30:30,467 --> 00:30:32,367 "Sam is hunting for his arms." 666 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,000 He says he can't find his arms. 667 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Sam's truck's missing. 668 00:30:39,266 --> 00:30:42,367 I have a cousin that starts getting on the phone, too. 669 00:30:42,367 --> 00:30:45,467 She locates Sam's truck at Chattanooga airport. 670 00:30:46,767 --> 00:30:48,767 [narrator] But none of the airlines have any record 671 00:30:48,767 --> 00:30:51,467 of a Sam Thomas flying anywhere. 672 00:30:53,266 --> 00:30:53,391 So the brochures were in the house 673 00:30:53,391 --> 00:30:54,000 So the brochures were in the house 674 00:30:55,867 --> 00:30:58,100 and the truck was left at the Chattanooga airport. 675 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,300 We figured that was like a decoy. 676 00:31:00,367 --> 00:31:01,967 One of the family members talked 677 00:31:01,967 --> 00:31:04,400 to the parking lot guard and he said, 678 00:31:04,467 --> 00:31:06,767 "Yeah, I remember when that truck come in." 679 00:31:06,767 --> 00:31:09,200 He said, "A gentleman drove the truck in and he got 680 00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:11,967 in a blue Jeep with two kids and they drove back out." 681 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,367 [narrator] More worried than ever, 682 00:31:17,367 --> 00:31:19,967 Sam's brother decides to follow the money. 683 00:31:21,567 --> 00:31:23,391 My uncle managed to get a hold of credit card statements 684 00:31:23,391 --> 00:31:24,000 My uncle managed to get a hold of credit card statements 685 00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:28,467 which showed his credit card being used at midnight on the fifth. 686 00:31:28,467 --> 00:31:32,066 My uncle contacted the local Walmart and somehow 687 00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:34,367 my uncle managed to review the tapes. 688 00:31:34,367 --> 00:31:36,800 [narrator] And what they find is devastating 689 00:31:36,867 --> 00:31:38,266 in its implications. 690 00:31:39,867 --> 00:31:42,367 They showed Howard and Adam Chrismer 691 00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:43,767 using my uncle's credit cards. 692 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,266 [narrator] 17-year-old Adam Chrismer, 693 00:31:47,266 --> 00:31:50,500 one of Howard's entourage, the one who recently married 694 00:31:50,567 --> 00:31:52,900 his 16-year-old girlfriend, Samantha. 695 00:31:54,667 --> 00:31:57,166 Finally, the police were in it enough between the tapes 696 00:31:57,166 --> 00:32:00,066 and the truck that they were ready to talk to Howard. 697 00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:07,066 {\an8}The Bradley County sheriff called him in for an interview on October 4th. 698 00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:09,367 [narrator] Howard promises to come in and meet. 699 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:13,166 He did not show up on October 4th. 700 00:32:13,166 --> 00:32:15,567 At the last minute, he called and asked 701 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:19,200 for the interview to be moved to October 8th. 702 00:32:19,266 --> 00:32:21,767 And in between October 4th and October 8th, 703 00:32:21,767 --> 00:32:23,367 a lot of terrible things happened. 704 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,700 A few days later, I get a letter in the mail saying 705 00:32:28,767 --> 00:32:30,867 that, "Adam..." I can't remember, 706 00:32:30,867 --> 00:32:32,500 there were several names in the letter. 707 00:32:32,567 --> 00:32:34,066 "We're setting Howard up for murder." 708 00:32:35,867 --> 00:32:37,767 And the letter was from Samantha Chrismer. 709 00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:46,900 [narrator] Wilda turns the letter over to the police. 710 00:32:46,967 --> 00:32:51,266 And now they take an active interest in Sam's disappearance. 711 00:32:51,266 --> 00:32:53,391 And they wanted to talk to Adam and Samantha both, 712 00:32:53,391 --> 00:32:54,000 And they wanted to talk to Adam and Samantha both, 713 00:32:54,367 --> 00:32:57,500 because it was enough then to know something was wrong. 714 00:32:57,567 --> 00:33:00,767 [narrator] They can't find Samantha or Adam, 715 00:33:00,767 --> 00:33:03,967 but they do find Howard. 716 00:33:03,967 --> 00:33:06,967 He does eventually come in to the sheriff's office 717 00:33:06,967 --> 00:33:10,266 for the October 8th interview, and he's held. 718 00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,567 Howard was being arraigned on federal charges 719 00:33:12,567 --> 00:33:14,967 'cause they was caught using Sam's credit cards. 720 00:33:14,967 --> 00:33:16,767 So that was a violation of his parole. 721 00:33:16,767 --> 00:33:20,700 Now he is stuck in jail and about to make a bunch of mistakes. 722 00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:23,391 [narrator] Howard is allowed phone calls, 723 00:33:23,391 --> 00:33:24,000 [narrator] Howard is allowed phone calls, 724 00:33:24,367 --> 00:33:26,600 which the authorities monitor. 725 00:33:26,667 --> 00:33:28,900 One of the calls is to his mother, Betty. 726 00:33:30,867 --> 00:33:33,166 Betty Willis is talking to him and they're trying 727 00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:35,367 to use code words and he's saying, you know, 728 00:33:35,367 --> 00:33:37,100 you need to move that furniture. 729 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,100 She mentions a storage unit. 730 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,767 She can't even fully get the sentence out. 731 00:33:41,767 --> 00:33:44,767 And he was like, "Shut up." But she said just enough 732 00:33:44,767 --> 00:33:46,166 that the police caught it. 733 00:33:46,166 --> 00:33:47,734 And they were like, "Oh." 734 00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:49,967 So the police started calling around different storage units, 735 00:33:49,967 --> 00:33:52,867 and they found that Betty Willis had rented 736 00:33:52,867 --> 00:33:53,391 a unit in Johnson City, Tennessee. 737 00:33:53,391 --> 00:33:54,000 a unit in Johnson City, Tennessee. 738 00:33:57,967 --> 00:34:00,900 Basically, they could tell from the outside of the storage unit 739 00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:02,467 that it was really bad. 740 00:34:04,867 --> 00:34:06,467 There is the smell of death. 741 00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:13,567 [narrator] The Johnson City Sheriff's Office have found 742 00:34:13,567 --> 00:34:17,100 human remains in Betty Willis's storage locker 743 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,300 but news of their discovery has been kept from the media. 744 00:34:21,567 --> 00:34:24,266 Betty doesn't know. Howard doesn't know. 745 00:34:24,266 --> 00:34:26,567 And Wilda doesn't know a thing. 746 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,367 The Johnson City Police Department pretty much 747 00:34:31,367 --> 00:34:34,166 told me I had to come up there and talk to them 748 00:34:34,166 --> 00:34:37,400 {\an8}if I wanted not to be associated or involved 749 00:34:37,467 --> 00:34:39,100 {\an8}in what was going on. 750 00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:39,672 [narrator] The detectives are undecided 751 00:34:39,672 --> 00:34:40,000 [narrator] The detectives are undecided 752 00:34:40,967 --> 00:34:43,867 as to whether Wilda is a possible witness 753 00:34:43,867 --> 00:34:47,667 or a suspect, so they tell her as little as possible. 754 00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:50,300 They said, "We need you to do us a favor." 755 00:34:50,367 --> 00:34:53,667 They fixed it where I can go in the jail to see Howard. 756 00:34:53,667 --> 00:34:57,767 {\an8}Wilda agreed to wear a wire, to go visit Howard in jail. 757 00:34:57,767 --> 00:35:00,266 [narrator] When Wilda tells Howard she's coming, 758 00:35:00,266 --> 00:35:03,266 he has a surprising request. 759 00:35:03,266 --> 00:35:05,266 He said, "I need you to bring a tape recorder, 760 00:35:05,266 --> 00:35:07,100 a notepad and a pencil." 761 00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,672 He actually requested himself being taped. 762 00:35:09,672 --> 00:35:09,767 He actually requested himself being taped. 763 00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:10,000 I think he figured he could tell me he needed certain things done 764 00:35:13,266 --> 00:35:15,000 and I would have a tape recording of it, 765 00:35:15,066 --> 00:35:17,100 and that way I could follow exactly what he wanted done 766 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,300 without missing a step. 767 00:35:19,367 --> 00:35:23,066 [narrator] Howard is unaware that Wilda is cooperating with the police. 768 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,000 So they wired me up. 769 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,000 We go over to the jail. 770 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,767 I have the wire on. 771 00:35:31,767 --> 00:35:34,467 The tape recorder that Howard asked me to bring was turned on. 772 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,400 They brought Howard in, and as soon as he hits the door, 773 00:35:39,467 --> 00:35:39,672 he says, "You're too late." 774 00:35:39,672 --> 00:35:40,000 he says, "You're too late." 775 00:35:40,567 --> 00:35:42,066 He said, "I blew their brains out." 776 00:35:42,967 --> 00:35:44,700 And I said, "What do you mean?" 777 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:46,200 He said, "I blew their brains out." 778 00:35:47,066 --> 00:35:48,767 And it's not making sense. 779 00:35:53,066 --> 00:35:56,567 [narrator] The detectives know exactly who Howard is talking about 780 00:35:56,567 --> 00:36:00,266 because of what they discovered inside Betty's storage locker. 781 00:36:04,567 --> 00:36:07,867 {\an8}[man speaking] 782 00:36:13,367 --> 00:36:17,700 {\an8}They found 250 gallon storage containers inside 783 00:36:17,767 --> 00:36:19,867 {\an8}where the bodies of Adam and Samantha Chrismer. 784 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,867 {\an8}[woman speaking] 785 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,100 Adam had been dismembered. 786 00:36:31,567 --> 00:36:33,367 {\an8}[woman speaking] 787 00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:37,500 His head was missing. His hands were missing. 788 00:36:37,567 --> 00:36:39,672 [Wilda] He proceeds to tell me that he shot the kids. 789 00:36:39,672 --> 00:36:40,000 [Wilda] He proceeds to tell me that he shot the kids. 790 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:45,700 {\an8}-[officer speaking] -[Howard speaking] 791 00:36:45,767 --> 00:36:48,667 {\an8}And that he dismembered Adam, because that's what Adam did to Sam. 792 00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:49,867 {\an8}[officer speaking] 793 00:36:49,867 --> 00:36:51,000 {\an8}[Howard speaking] 794 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,200 {\an8}[officer speaking] 795 00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:54,000 {\an8}[Howard speaking] 796 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,800 He said, "I know the family would want me to do the same thing to them 797 00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:59,166 as they did to Sam." 798 00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:04,867 [narrator] Detectives know about Adam and Samantha. 799 00:37:04,867 --> 00:37:07,900 They've not seen any proof Uncle Sam is dead. 800 00:37:07,967 --> 00:37:09,672 Wilda wants to believe he is still alive, 801 00:37:09,672 --> 00:37:09,967 Wilda wants to believe he is still alive, 802 00:37:09,967 --> 00:37:10,000 but has a sick feeling that he's not. 803 00:37:14,166 --> 00:37:16,100 And so I ask him then to give me details, you know, 804 00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:17,467 where I can find Sam's body. 805 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,667 And he gives me four or five locations. 806 00:37:22,567 --> 00:37:24,066 But, you know, Howard keeps talking about, 807 00:37:24,066 --> 00:37:25,600 "Don't worry about Sam. 808 00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,000 Y'all gotta help me." 809 00:37:28,967 --> 00:37:30,967 They arrested him just minutes later. 810 00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:39,672 The police department asked me to make one more phone call that night. 811 00:37:39,672 --> 00:37:39,800 The police department asked me to make one more phone call that night. 812 00:37:39,867 --> 00:37:40,000 We went to a payphone across from the jail 813 00:37:42,066 --> 00:37:45,200 and we called Howard's aunt, Marie Holmes and Betty. 814 00:37:45,266 --> 00:37:48,166 They said, you know... you know, "Let them know what happened." 815 00:37:48,166 --> 00:37:53,500 So I tell Marie and Betty that Howard told me that he killed the kids. 816 00:37:53,567 --> 00:37:56,667 And the first words out of Marie and Betty is "destroy the tape." 817 00:37:57,867 --> 00:37:59,867 Within minutes Betty and Marie were arrested 818 00:37:59,867 --> 00:38:01,667 for asking me to tamper with evidence. 819 00:38:03,567 --> 00:38:06,767 I continued to see Howard many times 820 00:38:06,767 --> 00:38:09,672 because I wanted to know where to find Sam. 821 00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:10,000 because I wanted to know where to find Sam. 822 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Howard was still talking to me, even though he knew 823 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000 that his confession to me got him arrested. 824 00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:17,867 Finally he told me to go back down the road 825 00:38:17,867 --> 00:38:19,967 from the fire department, 826 00:38:19,967 --> 00:38:21,600 that there would be mobile homes sitting up 827 00:38:21,667 --> 00:38:23,400 way off the road with a carport. 828 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,800 Within less than 30 minutes, they had found Sam's body. 829 00:38:35,767 --> 00:38:38,000 I called my family so that we could all meet 830 00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:39,672 and I could tell them that my uncle was gone... 831 00:38:39,672 --> 00:38:40,000 and I could tell them that my uncle was gone... 832 00:38:42,367 --> 00:38:44,166 because we still hoped he was alive. 833 00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,467 She told us all that Howard had killed Sam. 834 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,100 {\an8}We couldn't even shed a tear. 835 00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,000 {\an8}We would just... You know, there's no way. 836 00:38:53,066 --> 00:38:54,400 {\an8}They've got this messed up. 837 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,900 {\an8}There is no way we... Howard was out there searching with us. 838 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,300 Why would he do that? 839 00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:07,367 [narrator] After almost a decade of delays, 840 00:39:07,367 --> 00:39:09,672 Howard goes to trial for the murders of Adam and Samantha Chrismer, 841 00:39:09,672 --> 00:39:10,000 Howard goes to trial for the murders of Adam and Samantha Chrismer, 842 00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,567 the first of his victims to be located. 843 00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:18,567 They played the tape recording that I had made in the jail 844 00:39:18,567 --> 00:39:22,700 that night, and within less than two days they came back with a guilty verdict. 845 00:39:22,767 --> 00:39:26,967 [man] We, the jury, find the defendant, Howard Hawk Willis 846 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,700 guilty of first degree murder. 847 00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:33,266 And he was given a death sentence on both kids. 848 00:39:33,266 --> 00:39:36,367 [narrator] Howard's death sentence for killing Adam and Samantha 849 00:39:36,367 --> 00:39:39,567 means Sam's murder case will probably never go to trial. 850 00:39:40,567 --> 00:39:43,000 As for Howard's first wife, Debbie, 851 00:39:43,066 --> 00:39:46,200 hers is still officially a missing person's case. 852 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,767 {\an8}I just couldn't help but think that if we could have brought 853 00:39:51,767 --> 00:39:55,967 {\an8}him to justice earlier, got the investigation concluded on Debbie, 854 00:39:55,967 --> 00:39:57,767 three people probably alive today, 855 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,500 but it never got solved. 856 00:40:00,567 --> 00:40:02,500 And so these people had to suffer, too. 857 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,066 [Wilda] I think Betty should have been convicted of murder right alongside Howard. 858 00:40:09,066 --> 00:40:09,672 [narrator] Betty and her sister Marie both die 859 00:40:09,672 --> 00:40:10,000 [narrator] Betty and her sister Marie both die 860 00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:13,867 before they can be tried for their involvement, 861 00:40:13,867 --> 00:40:16,367 that is, if Betty died. 862 00:40:17,467 --> 00:40:20,100 You know, there was rumors Betty had passed away 863 00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,100 in a motel in Oklahoma. 864 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,600 I honestly don't believe that Betty died. 865 00:40:24,667 --> 00:40:26,500 She had a lot of police friends 866 00:40:26,567 --> 00:40:29,166 and things like that that would help her. 867 00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:31,166 Nobody seemed to see her in a casket. 868 00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:32,567 Nobody's seen her dead. 869 00:40:33,467 --> 00:40:35,033 Nobody. 870 00:40:39,266 --> 00:40:39,672 It has been quite a journey to a world I never dreamed I'd be involved in. 871 00:40:39,672 --> 00:40:40,000 It has been quite a journey to a world I never dreamed I'd be involved in. 872 00:40:44,467 --> 00:40:47,166 I really shared my story because there's gotta be more people 873 00:40:47,166 --> 00:40:49,767 that probably are living the same life I lived. 874 00:40:49,767 --> 00:40:52,166 That does not hide all the signs they see, 875 00:40:52,166 --> 00:40:53,800 because you really don't wanna think the person 876 00:40:53,867 --> 00:40:56,500 that you built a life with, that's parent to your kids 877 00:40:57,467 --> 00:40:59,300 or that you're... you're in love with, 878 00:40:59,367 --> 00:41:01,300 could ever do so much behind your back. 879 00:41:03,266 --> 00:41:06,000 Because the bottom line is, no matter how well you know them, 880 00:41:06,867 --> 00:41:08,100 you don't know who they are. 881 00:41:17,367 --> 00:41:19,667 I couldn't let Howard destroy my life totally, 882 00:41:22,066 --> 00:41:23,667 because, you know, if I did, he won. 883 00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:27,100 Once Howard was convicted and sentenced, 884 00:41:27,166 --> 00:41:29,667 then it kind of gave me permission to move on with my life. 885 00:41:32,767 --> 00:41:36,066 {\an8}I did marry again, and I love my husband to death today. 886 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,672 {\an8}Yeah, I still deal with the aftereffects 887 00:41:39,672 --> 00:41:39,767 {\an8}Yeah, I still deal with the aftereffects 888 00:41:39,767 --> 00:41:40,000 {\an8}of what Howard did and the aftereffects 889 00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:43,900 {\an8}of still not knowing the truth about Sam. 890 00:41:43,967 --> 00:41:45,867 {\an8}But I can't dwell on the past. I've gotta move on. 891 00:41:45,867 --> 00:41:48,667 {\an8}I've got a family. I've got grandkids. 892 00:41:48,667 --> 00:41:50,600 {\an8}So now we get to support our grandkids together. 893 00:41:52,467 --> 00:41:53,967 {\an8}And that's what my life is about now.