[chime]
[dramatic music]
Yeah, if she wants to play this villain now
that everyone thought was cool. She's smoking, so now
she walks around puffing her cigarette acting like an asshole
because people thought it was cool. You have fun with that.
This is about the three of us coming apart.
I'm ready!
Tonight, three-part Beverly Hills Reunion begins.
Do you think he was emotionally abusive to you? Tom?
Kyle, if you do file for divorce,
will you be asking for half of the agency?
- Well, it's mine. - Does he realize that?
Oh.
You accused her of lashing out.
In order to save my job. I fucking came unglued!
Do you want to apologize?
Apologize for what, Andy?
She's saying that it made her flip.
- I didn't say it was a failure. - Yes, you did!
Get over it.
Don't talk behind my back!
I fucking told him!
I'm very sorry.
But do you mean it?
No, Erika, I'm a cold-hearted
fucking cunt.
[laughs]
You really like that word.
[upbeat music]
Taking my selfie.
[camera shutter snaps]
Well, hi, Ms. Brown.
Beverly Hills is in the house, I see.
Mwah! So pretty!
Look at this showgirl.
- It's nice to see you. - Wow. Hi. You look great.
- Thank you. - Wow.
It's time to put a show on! Heh, heh!
This is very heavy, I think.
- Dude, it's 74 pounds. - Is this dress gonna be hot?
Oh, my God, you guys.
This is what Rachel Zoe wears to a reunion.
- Hi, girls! - Yes!
Who is it, Rachel?
This is vintage J. Mendel.
- Really gorgeous. - Oh, it's J. Mendel!
Oh, my gosh!
Not the car on the set.
Never had that before.
Look at you matching the car.
I really like it.
Everybody looks gorgeous!
[tense music]
Hello, everyone.
It's so cool.
Hi, Dorit.
Okay, I'm gonna go this way.
[music stops]
All right, are we waiting for the Money Queen?
Hey, Dorit, guess what?
- You weren't the last one. - I'm not the last.
I know, baby!
Hey, Money Queen.
- Hi. How are you? Mwah! - Mwah.
- Hello. Hello. You ready? - Hi. I guess.
- How do you be ready? - That's right!
Cameras up and to Andy in three, two, one.
Hey, everybody.
Welcome to The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
Season 15 Reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen and here's what I'm manifesting today...
[chuckling]
...friendship, conflict, followed by resolution.
Hmm.
And our set is manifesting the iconic Rodeo Drive.
Good evening, ladies.
Good evening, Andy.
- Hi, Rachel Zoe. - Hi, Andy.
Everyone's obsessed with your boys.
Aw, me too.
They love their mom.
Has Skylar bought an Hermes bangle
for any girls lately?
No. I have to say when that's okay.
Sky, I love this.
Don't just by any random girl
- an Hermes bracelet. - Okay.
Did he use his allowance?
He did. He used his bar mitzvah money.
Aw!
Hey Amanda. Welcome to your first reunion.
Thank you.
What are you manifesting for today?
Be myself. Say the truth. Maybe have some fun.
Okay. Hi, Sutton Brown.
- Hello. - Sutton Brown's first reunion.
- Yes, I know. - Easy breezy.
Easy breezy.
- Hi, Erika. - Hey.
- How ya doin'? - I'm good.
How is DJing going?
Honey, I had two fabulous weeks in Australia.
[club music]
I had the best time.
Look, I get to wear latex and play other people's records,
and have a good time.
I like it. Hi, Boz.
- Hello. - Let's see that ring.
- Ooh! - Wow!
- It's shiny. - Beautiful.
I do have a special request.
- Oh. - Okay.
For my Beverly Hills wedding,
I would love for you to DJ
- for the wedding. - I will. Absolutely.
Consider it done.
Thank you. Thank you.
That's so great.
- Hi, Dorit. - Hi, Andy.
- Great to see you. - Good to see you.
- How are you feeling tonight? - Good. Great.
- Good. Hi, Kyle. - Hi, Andy.
Kyle, you are officially Bravo's longest-running
consecutive housewife across all franchises.
- Wow! - This is your 15th season,
15th straight reunion. How does it feel?
I'm still standing.
She deserves applause for that.
- For sure, that's like a... - That's an achievement.
So, before we get into it, I just want to talk about
where everyone stands,
because the once rock-solid friendships
of Kyle, Dorit, and Erika,
were shaken, which impacted really, the whole group.
Um...
Do you all think that we can land in a positive spot
by the end of the day? Or...
- Who knows? - I would love that.
- You would? - Of course, I would love that.
- What do you think, Dorit? - I mean, listen,
I'd always love that but we have to be realistic,
you know. See how the day goes.
Erika?
I don't have much hope.
Really?
[scoffs] No.
Okay.
When new housewife Rachel Zoe saw how excited fans were
that she was back on Bravo, she probably said, "I'm dead."
- I can't. - And "Are you okay?"
And while the other women marveled at how stylish
and put together their new friend was,
Rachel's home life was undergoing a painful,
new makeover. Take a look.
That is fair. Oh, God.
Hello.
My name's Rachel Zoe.
You may or may not remember me from Bravo,
'cause I've lived here before.
I'm so cringey.
Oh, I've got to have that bag!
I'm a little bit in awe of her because
she is one of the most famous stylists in Hollywood.
People are always like,
"Oh, my God, you have it so together."
But on the inside, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm like, crumbling.
I think we've outgrown each other.
He's always been Grateful Dead
and I've always been St. Barts.
So, you know that my ex
has this girlfriend, right?
My kids are leaving.
She fucking appears.
Dad was there and he was just like, "This is my friend."
And it was like, "Hi." And I was like, "Hi."
And then I just looked away
and I was like... oh that's "the" person.
It's an absolute myriad of bad decisions
that have been made over the last month, the last weeks,
the last fucking hour
that would trigger me to move things forward.
It's fucking everywhere. Like, it's everywhere.
He will be the greatest disappointment
of my life forever.
- Oh. So, you're okay. - I'm great.
I'm fucking great.
It came as no surprise the Bravo-verse
was very excited to welcome you back into the fold.
What did that tidal wave feel like?
Honestly, the love has truthfully been overwhelming.
And I think part of the fear of coming back in is, you know,
having survived the tabloid era,
of being the subject of fodder, a lot.
I came in like, they're gonna come for me,
they're gonna hate me. So, it was scary.
But I also feel that I was a lot more open
than I thought I would be.
- Truthfully. - You were a lot more open,
truthfully, than I thought you would be.
- Yeah, me too. - To tell you the truth.
Was there any part of you
that wanted to get back at Rodger by coming on this show?
No. Not even a little.
I have to assume though, that now that
- the show is airing... - Yep.
...is he seeing things and getting upset?
Yeah. I think he hears.
I'm sure that people tell him.
You know, listen, the only thing I could say very honestly
is some really bad things happened in real time
this summer, that were quite shocking,
and there's a lot that I didn't say.
Do you regret it? Do you regret being open?
I don't really regret anything that I said
because I definitely meant it.
And honestly, I still mean it.
But look, here's the thing, the truth is painful sometimes.
- Yeah. - But overall, definitely not.
Because I think if it helps as many people
as I would like it to, then I think that's great.
- And it helps you. - And you know, so.
Moving on to your divorce.
We saw you file on the show. Is it resolved yet?
No, but... but soon.
We know that you weren't happy when
Rodger's new girlfriend saw the boys at the airport.
Do you have a relationship with her at all?
Are you okay?
- Are you okay? - Are you okay?
- Seriously, are you okay? - Andy!
- I have to ask. - Um, no.
- No. - And not ever. And no.
Does he have any relationship with your parents?
No. My dad can't really...
it's hard. My mother is more able to talk to him,
because for her, she's very much like,
he's the father of my grandchildren.
So, I did have him at Thanksgiving
because my mother, we were all in Miami,
and he happened to have been there
with a friend, like a guy friend.
And my mother was basically like, we need to invite him,
at least for dessert or whatever.
And I did, and he stayed...
I thought it was gonna be dessert but it was from nine
till like 1 AM.
Wow. And Rodger's relationship with the boys is?
Is good now. Better. Much, much better now.
Good. Rachel, when you shared your story
about a pre-engagement hook up with a model,
Kyle, you said in an interview,
what kind of marriage are you setting yourself up for?
Kyle!
I cheated on you and guess what,
I got a big diamond the next day.
I mean, that's sort of setting the precedence, no?
For diamonds. You cheat, you get diamonds.
No!
But here's the thing, I met him when I was 19.
That's a long time.
For me to have made out with one guy
in the span of 34 years.
Oh, I thought you had sex with somebody.
Girl! Now you're just spreading rumors.
No, I said we fooled around.
Oh, I thought sex. That's why I was like, wow.
Well, I was wrong.
No, that would've been a whole different conversation.
Um... In happy news, uh...
you were recently photographed on a red carpet with...
Oh, my God.
...some guy called Sasha. Is that a thing?
Do you have something to tell me?
- I'm hot. - What'd she say?
It was a friend.
Kim from Cincinnati said,
"Wait, is Rachel dating a life coach who sells
online courses like Amanda?"
I would die.
Kim from Cincinnati said,
"Wait, is Rachel dating a life coach
who sells online courses like Amanda?"
I would die. Is that what he does?
He's... he's more of a um...
um...
[laughs] um...
it's more of like a mind-body alignment basically.
Alignment?
Basically getting people back to a place of you know,
center, forgiveness, things like that. I'm not a client.
- He's a friend. - Okay.
You do know how many times you said he's a friend?
A very good-looking, tall friend.
Okay. All right. Well, I'm gonna move on.
With a husband in prison
and a $25 million lawsuit on the horizon.
Who are we talking about?
[laughs]
The past few years have given Erika
- a million different reasons... - What the fuck!
- Wow! - ...to keep her walls up.
Sorry for that transition.
I'm glad I am laughing at this.
But after decades of walking on thin ice with Tom,
a new gentleman in Erika's life, melted this ice queen's heart.
- Jesus Christ. - Watch.
- Okay, Erika. - Yeah?
Who is this guy, the picture
that the paparazzi caught you with the other days?
[laughs]
What stood out most in those pictures
was the fact that Erika had not a stitch of makeup,
she was dressed totally down, and the guy was wearing Crocs.
When I saw that picture, I thought, she's so comfortable.
Yeah, you looked very comfortable.
And I felt like you felt safe with him.
Yeah, there was no guard up.
Erika, have you ever felt
like you didn't have to have your guard up?
Not in a long time.
I know that you're so over everything with Tom.
Oh, I'm not over that.
Yeah, I'm heartbroken.
Uh-huh.
Knowing he's gonna die in prison.
- Right. - That's heavy.
Certainly, Tom's story is ending.
Mine is still ongoing.
I saw this thing about Erika and I've texted her.
I'm worried about her.
It's Erika Jayne headed to trial over $25 million
spent during Tom Girardi's marriage.
Wait, wait, I don't understand.
She's headed to trial. What do they think
they're gonna get $25 million from her back?
I wanted to talk to you about the black eye I saw.
I wanted you to know I went through this too.
[gasps]
There's a lot of shame around that,
getting hit, or choked, or kicked.
[sobbing]
What happened to you,
you were very lucky that you survived.
And by speaking about it,
that's the first step in letting go of it.
Are you sure I did the right thing?
I'm 100 percent positive.
You sure?
Yeah. I know it for sure.
Okay.
[sniffles]
All right.
Oh, that's hard.
Oof, that's heavy.
Erika, I want to start by saying first,
how sorry and sad I am that you had to go through
such a horrible experience.
I also want to acknowledge how brave it was of you
to share your story so publicly.
Why did you feel like you wanted to share that?
Well, I'd held it for a long time.
And had Denise not said anything,
I probably wouldn't have said anything either.
Mm-hmm. What has the reaction been like from viewers?
The one silver lining has been very positive.
Thank you for coming forward.
I, too, have had this experience.
And I think you know,
no one should have that experience
but it's much more common than we know.
How did you get out of the relationship,
- if you don't mind me asking? - I called the cops.
- You called the cops. - Wow, Erika.
Yeah, that's how you get out.
You must have been so scared.
Yeah, terrified.
I gave this person a chance to leave.
They did not.
And I was like fuck no man, okay, I have to call 911.
So, after this aired,
you didn't hear from this person?
No. No.
Were you worried about that?
It definitely occurred. I thought, how do I say this?
You don't know what someone will do.
You know, you just don't know.
And if they've shown you a certain pattern of behavior,
who's to say that it won't escalate?
So, it definitely was a concern of mine.
You had said in the therapy session
that your mom didn't know about the abuse.
Did you talk to her before the show aired?
No.
[gasps]
Um...
My mother...
Mom, you're the most clutch mother ever.
My mom is terrible at every day shit,
she shows up in crisis like no other.
Thank you, Mommy.
How did she show up for you?
She texted me, she said Erika, I'm so sorry.
I am so sorry for you.
And she did not chastise me,
why didn't you come to me?
How could you not say anything?
She was so cool and so loving,
and I just cannot thank her enough for that.
Who in the circle knew about this?
The three of us were gonna go on a trip.
They were supposed to come to Aspen with me.
We were supposed to leave that day.
We couldn't leave at the right time
and I panicked.
And I said, I need to leave town.
And I told them why.
And I want to say,
you and I spoke privately, and you go,
Erika, why didn't you say anything?
And I said, Andy, the level of shame.
The level of shame that comes with this.
But you know what I realized, through this DV shame,
it also brought up a whole lot of other shame.
Shame about Tom.
You know, I walked on ice a lot with Tom.
Like looking back at it,
you know, it was always the nice.
It was constantly an interrogation.
It was constantly you know...
- Don't say the wrong thing. - ...a battle, you know.
Do you think he was emotionally abusive to you, Tom?
Yeah.
And financially abusive.
And you know, Tom one time did not talk to me
for six weeks.
- Jesus. - That's...
And we lived in the same house.
That's crazy.
- That's insane. - That's such emotional abuse.
- You know, as sweet as Tom could be is as vicious
as Tom could be.
Were you nervous about appearing on camera with him?
Oh fuck yes.
You were?
Yes, because what if I said the wrong thing?
- Right. - Mm-hmm.
But he never thought I'd get on this show.
I remember him telling me after my first interview,
"You're not gonna get this job."
Oh, that's nice.
And then oh you know, I got the job.
What an ass.
I know. He was kind of like, "You got the job."
Well, he's not gonna tell me no.
You know? So, I came on the cast.
When I think back about your first few seasons on this show,
he would come around when you were performing,
and he would play this part of this like, proud husband.
Starry-eyed husband, yeah.
[cheering]
- I was really proud of you. - Were you?
- Yeah. - Thank you. Thank you.
- That was cool. - I appreciate that.
You know how many times I've wondered
how much of that was an act?
- Oh. - In the moment did you wonder?
You know, you want to believe
that your partner loves and supports you.
But you know when it was fucked up?
Which, it's very obvious. When you said to me,
I didn't like it that Tom didn't come see you on Broadway.
- Yeah, I didn't. - Like, how could you miss that?
- Yeah. - He also did not read my book.
- I remember. - Oh, no!
And by the way, you were cleaning up that mess
on the couch, and I was saying to you, "I think that's weird."
And you were like, "Do you?"
What does Tom think?
He hasn't read it either. No one's read it.
No one's read it, in my family.
- I think that's weird. - Yeah? What's weird about it?
Well, I was riding for him very hard.
Yeah.
Having that hindsight
in being able to look at it, you know, I was,
you know I was in the Tom Girardi influence.
You told Sutton that you don't believe that visiting Tom
will give you closure.
No, I do not.
Especially since he may not even remember who you are.
If there was one question that you could ask him...
what would it be?
[pensive music]
You told Sutton that you don't believe that visiting Tom
will give you closure.
No, I do not.
Especially since he may not even remember who you are.
If there was one question that you could ask him...
what would it be?
[pensive music]
Wow, that's a good question.
Why?
Why...
did you throw me out like that?
You know?
'Cause if you think about it,
I'm in an almost impossible situation.
Mm-hmm.
I'm swimming under all of these lawsuits.
And the $26 million thing has been for years.
They sued me for that right away.
- And that's coming up. - Yeah.
Worst possible case, you get found that you owe somebody
$25 million. What the hell do you do then?
- Claim bankruptcy. - File for bankruptcy?
You can file for bankruptcy
or you can fight it out in court. And you can...
Duke it out.
You know, you can go to trial. You can cut a deal.
You can die in the streets. I have no idea.
Dorit, in Italy, you questioned whether Erika
was actually going through a fuck ton.
She's going through a fuck ton.
We're all going through a fuck ton, Rachel.
I agree with that.
You're going through a fuck ton?
Surely you knew that she was going through stuff,
so what did you mean by that?
So, you know, first of all,
when I was in Italy, I had a lot on my mind.
We had been talking a lot
the three weeks leading up to Italy.
And there was no mention of the trial coming up.
In fact, the first time I heard it was in the Hamptons,
when Rachel saw it in the tabloids.
Erika and I never spoke about it.
So, that was not even the top of my mind.
If I'm not having the conversation,
I'm not thinking about it.
Your reaction was?
On the one hand, I can see why.
She's got her own problem and she's very self-involved.
On the other hand,
I've been talking about this shit for six years.
Not really.
Yeah, I've been going through it.
This case has been around a long time.
But I also don't expect you to be keeping up with every
fucking thing I'm doing.
That's what I mean.
However, we have talked about.
And whether we talked about it five months ago
or two years ago,
we're close.
- Yeah. No, I know. - That's why it hurts.
I love you
and I'm scared for you.
I don't want to overload my friends all the time.
Well, I'm sorry you're going through it.
But we also shouldn't have to mention it
all the time to have our friends be sympathetic.
Right.
We're all going through stuff.
Um, so Kyle, you said Dorit
never once asked about how you're doing this year.
Ladies, does anyone feel like Dorit
took time to ask about their lives
or was she in her own moment?
Well, I clearly say yeah.
That I didn't ask Kyle how...
No, me. He just asked...
Well, so you know, Kyle doesn't talk about her life.
That's not... Dorit, I listen.
Doesn't talk about it with me.
I don't talk about my separation as much as you.
But I'm also not asked.
I have had stuff going on too and I do feel that you...
are so wrapped up in your own situation
that you're not realizing
that other people are going through a lot of stuff too.
Boz is going through the fertility.
And what Erika's going through, and Sutton.
- And everybody here. - Sorry.
Sorry, sorry, Boz. Please.
I don't think I was part of the question.
No, she said everyone has something going on.
(all speaking)
You're suggesting that I don't care.
Trust me, I'm not suggesting that you don't care about Boz.
I'm saying we all have stuff.
Kyle, I'm a very, very empathetic person.
In fact, I don't think there's a single person here
that would suggest
that I wouldn't be interested or care
about things that other people are going through.
So, I resent that, number one.
I have always thought that about you.
What you're going through right now has made you less like that.
I know that everyone has stuff going on in their lives.
And my point was I think that you are so
in the zone with your issues
that you're not thinking about that with other people.
Right, and I'm telling you, you're wrong.
Okay.
This year, as I have said multiple times. Again.
Yes, I know, you were going through it. Yes.
Okay, so I was overwhelmed.
- Yes. - But when I got to Italy...
- Yes. - I'm going through it.
...it was a different ball game.
Okay, I want to bring it back
to our current relationship.
It's been how long?
Since June, July. Like, nine months.
- Nine months. - Yeah. Yeah.
- That's great. - Thank you.
How are things going in the relationship?
- It's nice. Thank you so much. - It's good.
- Has your son met him? - Yes.
And what does your son think?
Oh, my God, you're talking to like the ultimate G.I. Joe.
My son's probably more in love with this man
than I could ever be.
Wow!
Let's call him G.I. John instead of Joe.
- Right. - G.I. John.
- That's a good nickname.
That's funny.
How has what's happened to you impacted who you are
in your current relationship?
I really enjoy the man that I'm dating.
And so, I don't have those same concerns.
You feel safe.
- I do. - You feel safe.
- Things seem to be going well. - Day by day. Day by day.
We're gonna leave it there. We'll be right back.
I need everyone to stand off, please. We gotta go.
We got an hour.
Dorit did I give you that make up kit for you,
that Chanel cosmetic bag?
- You sure did. - Thought so.
That's how much you've meant to me.
Same.
[scoffs]
What... is, is happening?
You get what you give.
Some weird shit, Erika.
Coming up.
I can afford to spend $4,000.
Being judged, especially from you,
out of all people.
By the way, I'm not in the same financial position as you.
I'm sorry.
[scoffs]
We are back with
The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Last year, Dorit iconically dragged a cigarette,
but this season, her friends warned her against dragging PK
too hard in public.
And as Dorit sought to be unburdened financially
via an exciting new book deal,
she couldn't help but feel like Kyle was reading
right from PK's playbook. Watch this.
When I saw PK kissing that Shein version of Dorit,
first I rolled my eyes.
- Then I threw up a little. - Ha!
The next day, you filed.
- It was that day. - Girl!
You know, I'm hearing like, completely opposite
like in, Dorit is putting him through a really hard time.
Making it hard for him to see the kids.
[scoffs]
Last year she was saying things
that you know, obviously came out.
How he's parenting, and things like that.
- That makes me nervous. - Adding fuel to the fire.
She's adding fuel to the fire.
I just don't think it's smart to be speaking
so negatively about your ex so publicly.
It's going to make your divorce down the line
much more difficult.
Do you remember...
...when you and I had dinner and I said to you,
I don't think it's a good idea
to bash the father of your children.
Why do you think I said that?
Do I remember that? I can remember...
I think when it comes to anything about this divorce
between Dorit and PK,
Kyle should just be quiet because there's no winning here.
- Is he protecting me? - I don't what PK's doing.
- I only care about you. - You know exactly
what PK's doing, Kyle, because you speak to Mau
and Mau speaks to PK. What you have kicked up and started
is what's really going to come back and kick me in the ass.
Grow up, Dorit.
Okay, so Dorit, you said that what Kyle is doing
is going to come back and bite you in the ass.
- Yes. - Has that happened?
- Oh yeah. - In what way?
Well, PK was sending me,
clearly Kyle was relaying information to Mau
about me in the season and PK was
taunting me towards the end of the season saying,
"Apparently you're not doing so well. Apparently..."
I didn't say anything about that.
Oh, he just, I mean PK just poof, got it out of the sky?
He's a psychic.
No. Someone's saying something. It's not me.
So, you can't keep saying things that you just assume.
It's more than that. I can tell you, listen...
So sick of defending my character.
You know, for somebody who's so concerned,
if she doesn't realize
that suggesting that I am erratic,
that I'm not myself, not once thinking
she's in an acrimonious divorce. I'm not in your situation.
I filed for divorce.
Telling me, you told me once in private--
That's why I was telling you don't fuel the fire.
So then why do you think fueling the fire
by suggesting that I am erratic?
By making sure that it's in public.
I already said that was the wrong choice of words.
Which, he's gonna hear this too.
Kyle, making it a storyline.
Yeah, and you what you didn't see?
Is that they were having that conversation with me
as well, and that part wasn't shown.
You missed it last night.
I lost Dorit, I'm not kidding, for like, 45 minutes.
Where did you find her?
She was in the fucking smoking section outside.
[laughs] But here's the thing,
had I known there was a smoking section,
that would have been the first place I looked.
She disappears sometimes.
But like, you can't do that. I had a fucking heart attack.
Like, you can't do that.
You keep saying this, so I'm gonna go
to each and every one. Amanda,
did you go to Kyle and say, Dorit is acting erratic?
Manic? Did you go to her?
Well, no, she didn't say those.
Okay, Sutton, did you go to Kyle?
Dorit, that's not what I'm saying.
So then stop saying, you didn't see them coming to me.
I used my words that I already told you
but you don't listen.
Kyle, you don't realize.
That I misspoke with that word.
I also related it to my own experience.
And I even said this, I even said this a number of times,
I equated it to how I felt after my separation, that I was...
I can tend to get OCD and you know,
like all over the place.
Like I mean, I get very ADHD and I'm not clear.
And you know, maybe working out too much and not focused.
And all over the place and scattered.
That's what I meant. And it became this big,
huge thing that it shouldn't have been.
- The word erratic-- - It became a big, huge thing,
- Kyle because you went to each- - Because you made it.
It's not that big of a fucking deal.
I'll explain to you why it's a big deal.
Boz talked about her financial concern.
She came and she told me. Never mind. Leave Boz out of it.
The point is this Kyle.
You're trying to just focus on me and make me look bad.
I wasn't saying anything gossipy or mean about you.
These were mutual conversations.
Okay, Kyle, do me a favor.
Let's stick with one thing right now.
- I am making one point. - Okay.
I spent $4,000 in one of Rachel's friends' shops,
that they cleared for us to shop.
- Nobody bought anything but me. - Mm-hmm.
I didn't want us to go into that shop and not buy anything.
They had cute things.
I can afford to spend $4,000. I'm very lucky to.
Yes.
Being judged by you, having you go and speak to the girls,
the group about it's a lot of money she's spending.
Kyle, especially from you,
out of all people.
Let me ask you a question.
By the way, I'm not in the same financial position as you.
I'm sorry.
[scoffs]
How do you know my financial position?
Well, the house is being foreclosed on.
Because you speak to Mau, and Mau speaks to PK?
No, because it's... it was in the news.
Okay, so I just really hope to God things stay
amicable with you and Mau. I really do.
And I hope to God nothing turns.
Me too.
But if and when it does,
and you're dealing with what I have had to deal with,
maybe, maybe,
you'll find it difficult to sit in rooms
and conversations when you're bursting at the seams,
and you want to actually be talking to your girlfriends
and have a little bit of support, only to have people
either judging you, talking behind your back.
Or suggesting,
I don't Mau like that. I'm so surprised.
Mimi from Dallas said it was disappointing
to see Mau downplaying PK's drinking like it's no big deal.
Oh my God.
And even admitting that he drinks with him,
that's called an enabler.
I want him to be involved but he has to show up clear headed.
He's always been clear headed.
Mau, he started drinking again.
I go to dinner with him, he's ordering, you know,
a glass of wine, maybe two.
We're not sitting there pounding it.
He didn't stop drinking for a year
because just for a casual thing.
He stopped drinking because he needed to stop drinking.
There's always two sides to every story.
That's such a guy thing.
- That's called guys. - That's such a bro thing.
No, that's not called guys.
That's what dudes do.
He's not a babysitter.
He came in as a soldier.
Mau doesn't have a problem.
And if Mau really, really, really cared about him...
Mau would be saying to him,
listen buddy, you know what, let's slow down.
I've seen guys at their darkest point
and none of their friends...
Until they are literally on the ground.
(all speaking)
I wanna stick up for the men a little.
- Sorry, I love men, Andy. - So do I.
(laughing)
Moving on to your finances, last year on this stage,
we talked about the news that your home had gone into
pre-foreclosure.
You said at the time that PK had resolved it.
Yes. Or so I thought. By the way.
However, just this week, there are new reports
indicating the house is in trouble again,
with a debt of over $800,000.
- It is in pre-foreclosure. - It is?
And PK hadn't been paying the mortgage.
Could you downsize?
It's not about staying in the house.
Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
It's about I believed he was paying the mortgage.
Oh, which is wrong, yes, 100 percent.
And so, I'm blindsided.
Now, listen, it's my fault as well, because at this point
I shouldn't trust or believe
without checking, et cetera.
Were you checking monthly that it was being paid?
No. No.
PK is saying he's gonna bring the house current.
Then I'm gonna put the house on the market
and find a house for the kids and I.
- This is the plan right now. - Thank you.
- Okay. - But it could change.
Okay.
Well, from what I've experienced,
anything can change.
Right, like maybe he doesn't bring the house current.
But you need to get in a situation
where you can be flexible.
I know exactly what I have to do.
Even before this news, people were shocked and concerned
about your lack of knowledge about your finances.
Yeah, I want to clear something up because you made
a statement that I outsourced
my financial...
Financial wellbeing.
...wellbeing to a man, and it didn't go well.
[tense music]
I want to clear something up because you made a statement
that I outsourced my financial...
Financial wellbeing.
...wellbeing to a man, and it didn't go well.
Maybe she's intimidated.
Because I'm young and successful
and I'm not financially dependent on a man,
and she outsourced her financial wellbeing to a man
and it didn't go well?
PK was coming out of a bankruptcy when I met him.
- Uh-huh. - Him and I
- built everything together. - Okay.
So, that statement, not only was it inaccurate,
it was offensive.
Does feel like you're also insulting a lot of women
who decided to have a child and raise their kids
- and not make money. - No, no, no.
- That's how it feels. - But you can have a man
be in charge of money and still know what's going on with
your money, and you not make the money personally,
and that can be a totally wonderful life.
I thought you were talking about me and I was upset.
I thought you were talking about her too.
I can say... I did. So fuck it.
I was shocked. I was like,
she doesn't fucking know me at all.
What I would want for all women, and all of us,
is to know what's going on with our money.
And I don't think not knowing is a good plan.
Agreed.
But I could see how that would be hurtful, and I'm sorry.
So, as we close out Dorit, what is the latest
on your divorce proceedings?
Listen, every time you ask me, how are things
with you and PK? I really want to be saying,
- we're in a great place. - Everything's great.
- But it's not the truth. - And you know what?
It wasn't the truth. Right now, things, thank God...
- Good. - ...after the kids' birthdays,
this is the first time in almost two years, Andy.
- That's good. - So, today, as we sit here
- today, things are better? - Yes.
Good. I'm really happy to hear it.
- Me too. - That's, by the way,
- the most important thing. - And I've been waiting
for you to ask me and I couldn't wait to tell you.
- Great. That's great. - Tell me about it.
All right. Well, this season, Money Queen Amanda Frances
was the new girl on the block,
even though she lived on a very familiar block
in Kyle's old Bel Air house.
But some people thought this self-proclaimed breadwinner
spent a little too much time buttering herself up,
while only offering crumbs about her career
and her dramatic past.
Watch.
I am best known for my best-selling book
Rich as Fuck,
which helps women redefine their relationship
with money and manifest more into their lives.
- She's getting married too. - What's your date?
- 10-10-26. - Ooh, that sounds good.
[sighs] People say you can't have it all,
and I do. I do have it all.
So, I'm the breadwinner, I always have been,
but he's very motivated to be able to take care of me.
I love being the fucking breadwinner.
I really do love it.
It was my money, I should be clear, when I bought it.
I mean, we have renovated together, but I did buy it.
Sorry.
Why would you share that?
That doesn't like, add value to the conversation.
You know?
I found that I had a gift
around like, the energetic part of money.
I have no formal business experience.
But I was like, let's make this a personal development brand.
What is this frou-frou mess we talkin' about?
I have all the stats.
Eighty percent of people who buy a course buy a second course.
I have less than a three percent refund rate,
which is unheard of in my industry.
That is a very, very low amount of people wanting
refunds on digital products.
So, here's the problem, Amanda.
- What? - You are defending
your business instead of telling us what you actually do.
The baseline of Amanda's defense mechanism,
whenever she gets criticism, is that she's insecure.
I went looking up her book,
and I see this blog that says, "I was in a cult."
I'm sorry, what?
Do you think I'm fake?
I think that you are not being
clear about your life.
I can't have a life that looks good
- and feels good? - Girl, your life is not pure.
How do they expect me to be more open when they put me down
and question everything I do at every turn?
She's built a cult.
Brava.
She walked away from one and she built one.
This has got to stop.
[tense music]
- Oof. - Wow.
All right. So, Amanda, not since Camille Grammer Season 1
have I seen someone enter this group
and light up the audience.
Yeah, you're welcome.
So, let's start with the positive, shall we?
- Yes. - Sure. Okay.
Maura from New Hampshire said, "You know what
I love about Amanda? She got all the ladies
activated and she barely had to try."
True Real Reality said,
"Amanda has the cutest family and a very hot husband.
I love this for her."
Speaking of your hot husband,
I saw that the two of you got married.
Congratulations, you had your first of two ceremonies.
Yeah, at 9-9-25,
we had a courthouse wedding.
And the big, you coming in on the helicopter
and him coming on in the horse, that's...
- 10-10-26, yeah. - Wow.
So, on the other hand, many fans were taken aback
by how you speak about your husband.
Nora from Topeka said,
"Does Amanda realize every time she talks about her husband
she makes him sound like a freeloader?"
Hmm.
Okay, Eddie's not a freeloader. He has a job.
He owns a company. He works. He's a wonderful man.
He is a good, good, good, good man.
He takes care of me in a million ways every day.
He knows I make more money than him.
He knows I'm super proud of it.
How does he feel about you putting that on blast, though?
Hmm.
My ex would have died.
I don't think he would consider it on blast.
Did he say anything to you about that?
He said hey, the only thing was...
When you paid for the house.
No, no, no, 'cause I paid for the house.
Listen, for what I do, it is just in me that I want women
to know always that they can do it.
But out of respect for your husband who is so adoring.
I don't think he considers it disrespectful.
He wouldn't see that as disrespectful?
No, the house he-- no, the house, I think was fair.
I did buy it. We renovated it together.
But what did he say this season? He said what?
- You were gonna say. - Oh, he was like,
that I make more... I make more in a month
than he makes in a year specifically.
He's like, yes, that is true
and maybe you didn't have to say it that way.
And it is true.
But do you see how you could plant seeds of contempt
that blossom years down the road?
You do plan to be with this man forever, right?
- Yes. - Right. Okay.
So, when you say things like this,
they get buried and then they fester.
They could. Maybe. But as the show comes out,
as he sees articles, as he sees comments,
we are in bed together talking.
There's me saying, hey, I meant this.
My point to you is this.
Everything is on the up swing. Everything is beautiful.
The seeds you plant now, they will blossom
when shit fucks up and you will...
you will pay for that later.
But Amanda, I think what he's saying right now,
he's not saying that--
You're telling me how my husband feels?
No. I'm telling you that when you emasculate someone
who adores you and loves you,
it doesn't matter how much more money
I've made in my career than my husband, if I did.
I'm still-- there is not one moment in my entire life
where I have said that to anyone,
let alone on television.
But you don't teach women that they can make money.
I don't teach women that they can make money?
No, no, you inspire women.
But absolutely you inspire women to make money
but this is my job.
But you can reverse it. Like, I look at myself a lot.
With my marriage, if he had said those things about me
when we were 40 years old, like, well, I'm the bread maker,
I bought the house, I did this, I did that.
And here's little old me, like, with a baby in my arms
like, great for you, you know.
It builds up resentment.
This isn't a gang up on you. This is life.
- No, we're being helpful. - This is life.
I asked him if he felt emasculated.
He said absolutely not. He's very secure.
- We're saying yet. - Okay.
So, the criticism was not limited
to how you speak about Eddie.
You were getting critiqued
about Millennial phrases, bragging about designers,
or the Money Queen of it all.
Was there one thing that surprised you
that you were hearing from people,
that you were like, really?
The designer stuff a little bit, or the bragging stuff
a little bit, because I thought I was on a show about rich women
with cool shit, I thought there was a lot of designer talk.
That's one part of the show you're on.
That's not the lead part of the show you're on.
I didn't think I was leading with it.
The lead part is your fucking heart and soul.
And we've had a hard time getting to your heart and soul.
DingDong on Twitter said,
"Amanda's need to one-up and compete with everything
the women have acquired is exhausting."
DirtyJenny on Twitter said,
"What is up with Amanda and mentioning the labels so much?
What is she trying to prove?
You're talking to a Hilton, for goodness sake."
But I think everyone brought up labels.
Often on the show, I would bring it up.
There would be this like, pause, silence after,
but other people would say this is this, this is this.
We are on a set of Rodeo Drive, let me point out.
But they were asked, also.
Do you feel like you had to do that
when you came into this group?
Because I think it came off like that.
Yes. And I saw her use, in Sedona, saying,
"Make sure you get a shot of this."
Telling the cameramen to please make sure
you get a shot of my Chanel bag.
You are with, sitting on a couch--
- I thought it was cute. - No!
Cannot lead with that shit.
We are too old and too experienced.
[tense music]
And I saw her use, in Sedona, telling the cameramen,
to please make sure you get a shot of my Chanel bag.
You are with, sitting on a couch--
- I thought it was cute. - No!
Cannot lead with that shit.
We are too old and too experienced.
We want you, not the veneer.
I think the misconception was that I was some kind,
somehow hiding me.
It felt that way. I should stop talking.
Rachel, you said you have a hard time with Amanda because
she acts strong but she plays the victim at the same time.
I think the conflict that I've had is what you just said
about how you want to teach women, and how you want
to welcome in every room, and everyone knows
who you are, and whatever.
I never said I want to walk in every room
and have everyone know who I was.
You said that every room you walk into...
Everybody knows who you are.
Outside of our group, I'm in a world where everyone
gets me and everyone loves it. All my friends take my courses
and everyone has this foundation of like, what Amanda's about.
And I haven't been in a world in a long time where people
didn't know who I was and what I built, and like why.
- No, I said that I used to. - You did say that.
When I walk into a room people know who I am and what I do.
They know my heart, they know my intention.
Okay, you didn't follow it with that.
- You did not. - I did.
I explained it to you at Dorit's party.
No, but in the moment, you didn't say it.
- But that's not what I meant. - Okay.
- That's how you took it. - It's not how I took it,
it's what you said. So, I guess what I'm saying is like,
because when you say those things and not followed
by the explanation of why you're saying it,
how could I hear it differently, right?
So, I'm saying, who actually says that?
Because if you knew who I was and what I do, you'd know
- that's not what I meant. - But I don't.
[sighs] We're trying to know you.
You've rubbed everybody the wrong way.
It's hard to do that in this group.
Well, I did it.
There was a lot of, I feel uncomfortable,
I feel unsafe, I feel this.
That's very victim-y rather than I'm the strong person
believing in who I am as a woman
and what I teach and how strong I am and how I lead.
So guess what, don't come at me like that.
What are you talking about?
Not like, this doesn't feel good to me.
It's just a contradiction, that's all.
Like, okay, are you the victim or are you the leader?
Are you uncomfortable or are you unsafe?
Yeah, a good question.
- Great distinction. - Life is uncomfortable.
And that's how you grow... This show...
If you're having fun on this show...
- This show is uncomfortable. - The show's uncomfortable.
I think it's very uncomfortable
and she obviously is not used to a setting like this
which, it is a lot.
Well, this is not an easy group to crack.
The audience also noted that Amanda
didn't seem to be welcomed with open arms.
Who is?
Tanyan on Twitter said,
"Is anyone else finding it cringey how rude
everyone's treating Amanda?
They're not giving her a chance at all.
Screaming jealousy."
Kyle, what's your opinion on this?
Like I said, when someone new comes in,
I really do have a lot of empathy
and try to make them feel comfortable.
And I can after this many years, see why someone
acts a certain way, behaves a certain way,
and maybe someone's not your cup of tea,
that's fine, that's one thing,
but I don't think there's a reason to be unkind.
In Kyle's defense, she's always been the ambassador.
But I mean, also, I just felt like...
[laughing]
Well, listen, I mean...
- Boz doesn't agree. - I object!
Boz would disagree with that.
- I'm very nice to you. - I'm kidding.
But by the way, Boz, I've been nothing but nice to you.
Nothing but nice to you.
And part of it is I'm kidding.
(both talking)
But are you?
Because I have been nothing but kind to you for two years.
You've been so kind, you've been very kind.
Last year what I said was that I found you cold
because you were holding...
Because you were holding back
things from me, which is fine.
But that doesn't mean that I felt a warm blanket.
- I feel like we keep growing. - I would like to keep growing.
I want to bring it back to Amanda
and I want to move on to your business.
Amanda, you did an interview where you said Boz
tried to create a personal development brand,
it did not go well, she's losing money on her courses.
- She told me so. - Let's talk about this.
Because when in the hell did I tell you
that I was losing money on my business?
- That is crazy. - In the vineyard!
Girl, I did not tell you that.
Why would I have told you that?
- Because you were-- - Let us consider
our relationship at that point.
Let's pretend for one second that I was losing money,
which I'm not,
why would I confide that in you?
It wasn't a confiding moment.
It was essentially saying if I'm losing money on courses,
there's no way you can be making money on courses
and not be doing something wrong.
No, that doesn't make any sense, Amanda.
- That's what you said. - It's not what I said.
I think they have it on camera.
And they don't because I didn't say that.
The online workshopping, that's not what I do for work.
- Not the main thing you do. - You know what I mean?
- That's the stuff I do to help. - But I'm so curious about it
'cause we have the interlap. Yeah, you said I don't need
to make money from this.
I don't. I lose money on it.
Yeah, well I-- yeah.
But that's okay with me 'cause that's a choice I made.
And additionally, I'll just let you know, because I do
need to clarify this comparison between our online courses.
You have an online business.
I don't have an online business, I have a teaching course
based on a class I taught at Harvard for three semesters.
It gives people the opportunity to understand the keys
I did not have as a businessperson,
so that they understand how to negotiate for a better raise,
ask for more promotions.
They understand how to present in a boardroom.
And so, for me, it's not about making money.
My point is that my class is to open the door
for people who can't go to Harvard.
You are promoting your businesses and setting up
your margins so you can be rich as fuck.
- Yeah. - That is not my intention.
- It's a charitable venture. - Absolutely.
- She's giving back. - She's trying to mentor.
And so, by the way, that is not failure.
- I didn't say it was a failure. - Yes, you did!
[tense music]
Next week, the reunion continues.
Jennifer Tilly, talk to me about this dress!
This is my face on the front of it.
I see that.
Will you be asking for half of the agency?
- Half of it's mine. - Does he realize that?
You told me that Amanda took out a $2 million loan
just before she started filming.
- I have never. - You did?!
You want to talk about the past two years
where we haven't been friends?!
This is exactly it, Kyle!
So, stop saying that we are friends!
[tense music]