1 00:00:01,172 --> 00:00:03,068 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:03,103 --> 00:00:06,517 You and I have intimacy. 3 00:00:06,551 --> 00:00:13,310 I'm sorry it's conditional based upon being part of a plural family. 4 00:00:13,344 --> 00:00:16,172 [Christine] I feel like, to Kody, Robyn is more important. 5 00:00:16,206 --> 00:00:17,793 I think he has a favorite wife. 6 00:00:17,827 --> 00:00:21,103 And that's why all of this is like it is. 7 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:27,517 You want to be with me, but you're not courting me to that relationship. 8 00:00:27,551 --> 00:00:30,000 I didn't know I was supposed to court you. 9 00:00:30,034 --> 00:00:32,378 I'm not suggesting that Meri chase me. 10 00:00:32,412 --> 00:00:34,379 In fact, that could be off-putting. 11 00:00:34,413 --> 00:00:37,172 She's not making any effort. 12 00:00:38,551 --> 00:00:42,655 I have somebody in my life who is fundamentally loyal to me, 13 00:00:42,689 --> 00:00:45,068 who sees me as the head of the family. 14 00:00:45,103 --> 00:00:50,413 I'm saying to you that you and I get that if you're loyal to me. 15 00:00:50,448 --> 00:00:52,000 I just can't believe what he's saying. 16 00:00:52,034 --> 00:00:54,965 You and I have been acting like we weren't a married couple 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,931 for most of our marriage, Janelle. 18 00:00:56,965 --> 00:00:58,551 Okay, I'm spitting mad now. 19 00:00:58,586 --> 00:00:59,655 You guys, thank you for coming. 20 00:00:59,689 --> 00:01:01,379 Hey, it means a lot to me that you came. 21 00:01:02,068 --> 00:01:03,448 [sobbing] 22 00:01:03,482 --> 00:01:05,068 It's just devastating. 23 00:01:06,862 --> 00:01:08,482 [Kody] I'm sorry I'm angry. 24 00:01:08,517 --> 00:01:11,965 -I just... I just survived a really, really, dark place. -I understand that. 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,413 You don't give a [bleep] though. 26 00:01:13,448 --> 00:01:15,896 -Look at you, dismissing it. -Okay. 27 00:01:15,931 --> 00:01:17,827 -[Kody] Would you ever have any empathy for me? -[Robyn] Please don't leave. 28 00:01:17,862 --> 00:01:20,241 -[Kody] When you're in pain, I try to understand you. -Can we just keep talking? 29 00:01:20,275 --> 00:01:22,758 Kody. Can we please keep talking, Janelle? Please? 30 00:01:22,793 --> 00:01:26,137 Janelle, this is a really bad idea for you to walk off on this one. 31 00:01:26,172 --> 00:01:28,620 [voice shaking] Well, all you're doing is yelling at me. 32 00:01:55,862 --> 00:02:00,413 [Kody] Well, the state of the family is... strained. 33 00:02:00,448 --> 00:02:03,689 I mean, like, it almost feels like a civil war. 34 00:02:03,724 --> 00:02:06,379 I- I don't even know how to describe it. 35 00:02:07,344 --> 00:02:09,033 [sighs] 36 00:02:09,068 --> 00:02:12,655 Christine moved me out of her house a year ago. 37 00:02:12,689 --> 00:02:14,689 And she said we were divorced. 38 00:02:14,724 --> 00:02:17,586 And basically, that's been months now. 39 00:02:19,310 --> 00:02:22,068 Meri and I have infrequent interactions. 40 00:02:22,103 --> 00:02:23,758 We talk about what's going on, 41 00:02:23,793 --> 00:02:27,862 having functioned in a marriage-like relationship for about seven or eight years. 42 00:02:27,896 --> 00:02:29,068 It's been a long time. 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,517 Things with Janelle and I are pretty strained. 44 00:02:33,551 --> 00:02:35,206 It's like, I can't figure this out 45 00:02:35,241 --> 00:02:38,620 because I'm so upset. 46 00:02:38,655 --> 00:02:42,137 The holidays are coming up. I don't know what we're going to do for the holidays. 47 00:02:42,172 --> 00:02:43,896 The family is not talking. 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,448 Today I am getting the trailer ready to haul off to winter storage. 49 00:03:01,724 --> 00:03:04,034 Clean it out, roll in the slides, hook it up 50 00:03:04,068 --> 00:03:07,172 to the truck and take it down south to store for the winter. 51 00:03:07,206 --> 00:03:10,655 You know, when we first all moved to Flagstaff three and a half years ago, 52 00:03:10,689 --> 00:03:12,551 we bought this piece of property with the intention 53 00:03:12,586 --> 00:03:15,137 that we would all build houses here. 54 00:03:15,172 --> 00:03:17,931 And since then, Robyn has bought a house, 55 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:23,310 and I've been holding out, waiting for this dream on this property, this house. 56 00:03:23,344 --> 00:03:26,931 So, now I've decided to rent an apartment in town for the winter. 57 00:03:26,965 --> 00:03:31,172 But I am kind of sad. I feel like I've somehow failed a little bit. 58 00:03:31,206 --> 00:03:32,827 [Kody] When our family first moved to Flagstaff, 59 00:03:32,862 --> 00:03:35,655 our full intention was to build on our property that we had bought. 60 00:03:35,689 --> 00:03:38,448 Robyn got a rental, Janelle got a rental, Meri found a rental. 61 00:03:38,482 --> 00:03:41,067 A year later, Robyn's rental sold out from under her. 62 00:03:41,103 --> 00:03:43,793 We couldn't find a rental, so we ended up having to buy a house. 63 00:03:43,827 --> 00:03:46,172 Two years later, Janelle should've bought a house. 64 00:03:46,206 --> 00:03:49,275 [Robyn] I did not want to buy a house. 65 00:03:49,310 --> 00:03:51,655 All I wanted was to get out on that property. 66 00:03:52,930 --> 00:03:57,689 Okay, let's see... what we need to here. 67 00:03:58,896 --> 00:04:00,931 Hang on. Hey, there's some stuff I got to trade out, 68 00:04:00,965 --> 00:04:02,862 so it goes to storage with the RV. 69 00:04:02,896 --> 00:04:04,724 Oh, so that it goes to the storage? 70 00:04:04,758 --> 00:04:07,448 -In the back of the storage trailer, -Mmm-hmm. 71 00:04:07,482 --> 00:04:09,000 there's the septic hose. 72 00:04:09,034 --> 00:04:11,931 -Okay, yeah, we got to throw some stuff in, right? -And... Yeah. 73 00:04:14,068 --> 00:04:18,620 Kody and I, since COVID, have really been struggling in our relationship. 74 00:04:18,654 --> 00:04:20,447 Everything really started to fall apart 75 00:04:20,481 --> 00:04:22,827 with the beginning of COVID and the quarantine. 76 00:04:22,862 --> 00:04:26,413 Kody didn't feel like my boys were being very safe. He didn't trust them. 77 00:04:26,448 --> 00:04:28,758 He thought they were going to contaminate us all. 78 00:04:28,793 --> 00:04:31,344 So, I mean, at one point, Garrison, who was very frustrated 79 00:04:31,379 --> 00:04:34,103 with how he felt like I was being neglected called Robyn 80 00:04:34,137 --> 00:04:38,310 and said, "Hey, can we have our dad back? Because he hasn't been around." 81 00:04:38,344 --> 00:04:40,586 Kody feels like Robyn's been severely wronged, 82 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:42,517 and that my children need to apologize. 83 00:04:42,551 --> 00:04:45,862 I never asked for an apology. I don't want an apology. 84 00:04:45,896 --> 00:04:49,275 I want to be able to be okay with these boys, 85 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:52,034 and that was never my intention. 86 00:04:52,068 --> 00:04:54,103 [Janelle] And now with some prompting from Robyn, 87 00:04:54,137 --> 00:04:56,724 he's come around to where there has to be a conversation. 88 00:04:56,758 --> 00:05:00,793 But, yeah, I still see no movement on his part towards reconciliation. 89 00:05:00,827 --> 00:05:03,137 -Where are you going for Christmas? -Here, here. 90 00:05:03,172 --> 00:05:06,413 -Okay. -But my kids, they're renting an Airbnb. 91 00:05:06,448 --> 00:05:10,379 Because I don't think they're welcome. Right? 92 00:05:10,413 --> 00:05:12,482 -Well-- -I never said my kids weren't welcome. 93 00:05:12,517 --> 00:05:14,793 -If they apologize, and they're kind of like-- -No, no, no. 94 00:05:14,827 --> 00:05:16,965 All I want to do is talk to 'em. 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,448 [Kody] Well, Janelle's going to back east. 96 00:05:19,482 --> 00:05:21,448 See Madi and Caleb for Thanksgiving. 97 00:05:21,482 --> 00:05:23,413 Okay, all right. I get it a little bit. 98 00:05:23,448 --> 00:05:28,931 But I am still sore. I am tender, emotionally, from a divorce. 99 00:05:28,965 --> 00:05:32,620 This would be the time that I would wish that my wife would 100 00:05:32,655 --> 00:05:34,827 look me in the eyes and say, "I support you." 101 00:05:34,862 --> 00:05:36,793 Sure, I've been an ogre. 102 00:05:36,827 --> 00:05:38,586 But I love you and I support you. 103 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:40,068 I understand what you're going through. 104 00:05:40,103 --> 00:05:41,724 She's not doing any of that. 105 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:44,482 She's literally telling me she doesn't like me, 106 00:05:44,517 --> 00:05:47,758 she'd prefer other things, she even prefers my ex-wife. 107 00:05:47,793 --> 00:05:51,551 After Christmas, Christine said that 108 00:05:51,586 --> 00:05:53,241 Ysabel and everybody are coming home, 109 00:05:53,275 --> 00:05:55,655 and they want to come see the family here. 110 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,689 Oh, man. This is exactly what I was afraid of 111 00:05:57,724 --> 00:05:59,448 with Christine leaving. 112 00:05:59,482 --> 00:06:02,586 Kody, it just was working out that we had a vacation rental, 113 00:06:02,620 --> 00:06:05,206 so we extended it so Julie and Ysabel can see you, 114 00:06:05,241 --> 00:06:08,689 But you're talking about everybody going to some neutral zone. 115 00:06:08,724 --> 00:06:10,068 This is my house. 116 00:06:17,793 --> 00:06:20,620 Welcome to my house in Utah. [chuckles softly] 117 00:06:20,655 --> 00:06:22,344 I'm really so excited. 118 00:06:22,379 --> 00:06:24,413 So excited. 119 00:06:24,448 --> 00:06:26,655 Like, I left Flagstaff two months ago. 120 00:06:26,689 --> 00:06:29,517 Yeah, it feels like I'm ripping things apart. 121 00:06:29,551 --> 00:06:32,310 I thought that it would just be a little bit easier. 122 00:06:32,344 --> 00:06:36,000 But it's an end of a book. It's an end of a saga. I don't know. 123 00:06:36,034 --> 00:06:39,206 And so, everything just feels a little unsettling. 124 00:06:40,896 --> 00:06:44,758 [Kody] Christine's gone. And Janelle doing stuff with Christine... 125 00:06:44,793 --> 00:06:47,413 She's not doing stuff with the rest of us. Or even me. 126 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:49,103 [exhales] 127 00:06:51,103 --> 00:06:52,758 So, I don't know what to make of this. 128 00:06:55,275 --> 00:06:58,379 [Robyn] It's tense in the family across the board. 129 00:06:58,413 --> 00:07:00,655 It's tense for a couple of different reasons. 130 00:07:00,689 --> 00:07:03,896 There's Christine leaving. and her divorcing Kody, 131 00:07:03,931 --> 00:07:07,103 it's... there's a lot of tension going on. 132 00:07:07,137 --> 00:07:09,482 Now they're talking about doing Christmas separate. 133 00:07:09,517 --> 00:07:12,482 It's just this whole new like, worrying, heartbreaking stress 134 00:07:12,517 --> 00:07:15,379 about whether or not we'll not be together for Christmas. 135 00:07:15,413 --> 00:07:18,724 But it's still like, horrible to sit and think about. 136 00:07:18,758 --> 00:07:22,344 It's like... It's scaring me and stressing me out a lot. 137 00:07:22,379 --> 00:07:24,310 -I'm letting it out. -I need someone to do my... 138 00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:30,413 [Robyn] From the minute I met the family, we've been doing holidays together. 139 00:07:30,448 --> 00:07:32,103 Every single holiday together. 140 00:07:32,137 --> 00:07:35,724 And this is just such a weird experience to go, 141 00:07:35,758 --> 00:07:38,517 "Who's going to be together for the holidays?" 142 00:07:38,551 --> 00:07:42,206 It just seems so, ugh, screwed up, and I hate it. 143 00:07:42,241 --> 00:07:43,551 What's up? 144 00:07:43,586 --> 00:07:45,517 [Janelle] Okay, I just need to move all this stuff out here. 145 00:07:45,551 --> 00:07:47,620 -Like, all at once? -[Janelle] No. Well, I don't know. 146 00:07:51,827 --> 00:07:53,344 Just put it in the backseat. 147 00:07:55,103 --> 00:07:56,517 [Kody] You know, everybody made choices. 148 00:07:57,655 --> 00:07:59,724 Christine chose to leave. 149 00:07:59,758 --> 00:08:04,172 Janelle's choosing her as somebody that she wants to be close to 150 00:08:04,206 --> 00:08:09,000 rather than Meri and Robyn. Or even me. 151 00:08:09,034 --> 00:08:12,724 People make choices. We made choices all the way along. 152 00:08:12,758 --> 00:08:15,965 So, it frustrates me if anybody in this family 153 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,310 starts acting like they're a victim. 154 00:08:18,344 --> 00:08:21,000 Uh, Jenelle. Uh, go ahead and start pulling it in. 155 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:21,965 I'm going to watch it. 156 00:08:23,137 --> 00:08:24,689 [whirring] 157 00:08:25,724 --> 00:08:27,379 Yeah, it's going great. Just keep going. 158 00:08:27,413 --> 00:08:28,793 -Oh, sorry. Keep going. -[Janelle] You scared me. 159 00:08:28,827 --> 00:08:31,448 You scared me. Sorry, I heard your voice. 160 00:08:31,482 --> 00:08:34,413 It'll be more of a yell than that if it's not going good. 161 00:08:34,448 --> 00:08:36,965 [Janelle] You know, I think that this trailer thing has been 162 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,965 even more strain on Kody and I's relationship, to be fair. 163 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,136 I didn't anticipate it. I thought we'd have this grand adventure, 164 00:08:43,172 --> 00:08:44,586 didn't anticipate it would be so hard. 165 00:08:44,620 --> 00:08:45,724 [whirring] 166 00:08:45,758 --> 00:08:47,551 -[whirring stops] -Good. 167 00:08:47,586 --> 00:08:50,758 And when it wasn't all easy and it wasn't comfortable, 168 00:08:50,793 --> 00:08:54,931 and it was hard, I think Kody really got disillusioned very fast. 169 00:08:54,965 --> 00:08:58,896 And it was very easy for him to blame me for this. 170 00:08:58,931 --> 00:09:01,137 Okay, I'm going to close this trailer. 171 00:09:01,172 --> 00:09:04,517 And then, uh, we can hook up and leave. 172 00:09:04,551 --> 00:09:06,724 As soon as the dang land is paid off, 173 00:09:06,758 --> 00:09:08,103 I can break ground. 174 00:09:11,275 --> 00:09:14,241 So, I'll come back out next spring 'cause we have one year 175 00:09:14,275 --> 00:09:15,965 until the property has to be paid off. 176 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,931 You know, when we brought this property, the seller carried the note. 177 00:09:18,965 --> 00:09:20,586 He carried the loan. 178 00:09:20,620 --> 00:09:25,206 And as any other bank, he has the right to foreclose if we default on the loan. 179 00:09:25,241 --> 00:09:26,482 So, the clock is really ticking. 180 00:09:26,517 --> 00:09:29,206 We could lose it all if we default. 181 00:09:34,034 --> 00:09:36,724 I really, really would like to have an amiable divorce. 182 00:09:36,758 --> 00:09:38,379 -How's it going? -How are you? 183 00:09:38,413 --> 00:09:40,689 -Oh, here's... I didn't... -Oh. 184 00:09:40,724 --> 00:09:42,000 -Nice to see you. -[laughs] Hi. 185 00:09:42,034 --> 00:09:45,241 I'm not feeling like I'm in a great place. 186 00:09:45,275 --> 00:09:47,517 It was late up with covid. I was out of my mind. 187 00:09:47,551 --> 00:09:49,655 -But when I talk about getting anxiety, Christine, -Sorry, I'm sorry. [laughs] 188 00:09:49,689 --> 00:09:52,586 -the depression-- -I know, and I'm sorry to even laugh a little bit. 189 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:53,827 But Gwendolyn was like-- 190 00:09:53,862 --> 00:09:55,724 -You didn't mean it that way. It's okay. -Yeah. I... 191 00:10:10,206 --> 00:10:13,931 I'm back in Flagstaff again, just visiting with family, Janelle, her kids. 192 00:10:15,172 --> 00:10:16,448 [knocking at door] 193 00:10:16,482 --> 00:10:17,931 Come in. 194 00:10:17,965 --> 00:10:20,620 -Hey, Janelle. [gasps] -[Janelle] Oh, hey. 195 00:10:20,655 --> 00:10:22,724 I know. So, I got the bookshelf that we walked about. 196 00:10:22,758 --> 00:10:24,137 For right here? 197 00:10:24,172 --> 00:10:25,517 -Oh, my gosh. -[Janelle] Yes, 'cause I'm struggling, like with 198 00:10:25,551 --> 00:10:27,793 -all the... where to put everything. -[Christine] That's beautiful. 199 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:29,172 -That's perfect. -So, okay. 200 00:10:29,206 --> 00:10:30,448 -[Janelle] Cool. -Yeah, let's do it. 201 00:10:30,482 --> 00:10:31,655 [Janelle] Let's put it. If you want to help me, 'cause I'm 202 00:10:31,689 --> 00:10:33,724 -sort of intimidated about putting it together. -Please. 203 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:35,517 This is my favorite thing to do. 204 00:10:35,551 --> 00:10:37,965 I'm visiting Janelle in her apartment today. 205 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,965 This is the first time that I get to see it. 206 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,275 And she asked if I would come over and help her build the shelf. [laughs] 207 00:10:44,793 --> 00:10:45,448 Here. 208 00:10:46,862 --> 00:10:48,206 Oh, there. 209 00:10:48,241 --> 00:10:50,586 -'Cause my steak knives, really, actually are just... -Oh, no. 210 00:10:50,620 --> 00:10:53,310 -And Paedon's like, "Make sure you don't use those knives -[Savanah chuckles] 211 00:10:53,344 --> 00:10:55,586 to cut carboard." I'm like, "Oh, my gosh." 212 00:10:55,620 --> 00:10:57,137 -I'm definitely using this knives. -I need him to... 213 00:10:57,172 --> 00:10:59,655 -Oh, my word. That looks intimidating. -No it's not. It's fine. 214 00:10:59,689 --> 00:11:03,275 Yeah, I still consider Janelle my sister wife. It's super weird, I think. 215 00:11:03,310 --> 00:11:07,482 But it's just that we're not really just friends. 216 00:11:07,517 --> 00:11:10,413 Christine and I, especially when she first came into the family, 217 00:11:10,448 --> 00:11:11,793 I just did not get her. 218 00:11:11,827 --> 00:11:13,896 I thought she was a princess. I did. 219 00:11:13,931 --> 00:11:15,379 And she thought I was bossy. [chuckles] 220 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:16,482 [Christine] When I married Kody, 221 00:11:16,517 --> 00:11:18,448 I didn't really even know Janelle that much. 222 00:11:18,482 --> 00:11:20,827 Like, at first, I thought we were okay. 223 00:11:20,862 --> 00:11:23,793 So, Christine and I have joked, "Are we still sister wives?" 224 00:11:23,827 --> 00:11:26,724 We both say yes, even though it's not really 225 00:11:26,758 --> 00:11:28,517 the traditional sense of the word. 226 00:11:28,551 --> 00:11:31,137 This is also the back of the... 227 00:11:31,172 --> 00:11:33,310 -Is that what this... That's what this is, too. -Hmm. 228 00:11:33,344 --> 00:11:35,103 -Oh, weird... -Now, it's a hat. 229 00:11:35,137 --> 00:11:37,137 -Oh, honey. So cute. -[Savanah laughs] 230 00:11:37,172 --> 00:11:39,965 It's so weird to consider the whole sister wife word. 231 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,517 But then I had to think about all the other people in the world that tell me, 232 00:11:43,551 --> 00:11:46,172 "Hey, I consider my best friend my sister wife." And I'm like, 233 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:48,758 "Heck. If they consider their best friend their sister wife, 234 00:11:48,793 --> 00:11:51,275 I can consider Janelle my sister wife." 235 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:53,413 Do you like it better than your fifth wheel? The apartment? 236 00:11:53,448 --> 00:11:55,620 [Janelle] Well, yes, It's definitely simpler. 237 00:11:55,655 --> 00:11:59,034 See, I thought we would be some much further along in the building process, 238 00:11:59,068 --> 00:12:00,620 but that's just taking a long time. 239 00:12:00,655 --> 00:12:02,689 'Cause of the building, how's it going? You're still going to... 240 00:12:02,724 --> 00:12:04,068 [Janelle] No, I have my plans. 241 00:12:04,103 --> 00:12:05,448 -For your house? -[Janelle] Yeah. 242 00:12:05,482 --> 00:12:08,517 I mean, I will say, if anything has come out of this crazy summer 243 00:12:08,551 --> 00:12:10,379 where I made a gamble, it wasn't awesome, 244 00:12:10,413 --> 00:12:12,413 like, I have a plan. 245 00:12:12,448 --> 00:12:15,241 -Can you reach them with your long arms? -[Christine] Yeah. 246 00:12:15,275 --> 00:12:16,724 [Janelle] I know what the property looks like. 247 00:12:16,758 --> 00:12:20,517 I have at least a freaking driveway out of this whole thing. [laughs] 248 00:12:20,551 --> 00:12:22,827 -Okay, I want to see. -Okay. 249 00:12:22,862 --> 00:12:25,000 Oh, my gosh. I so excited for you. Are you excited? 250 00:12:25,034 --> 00:12:26,275 -Yes. -When do you think you're going 251 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:28,620 -to break ground and stuff? Any ideas? -Uh... 252 00:12:28,655 --> 00:12:30,586 -Spring probably. -No. Really? 253 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:33,965 Yeah, and then it takes about, for these little houses, like, six months. 254 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,724 -Six to nine months. -[gasps] 255 00:12:35,758 --> 00:12:39,172 [Christine] I think if Janelle wants to build, then she should definitely build. 256 00:12:39,206 --> 00:12:42,965 The thing is I know they haven't paid off the property. 257 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,896 [Kody] I don't think we're going to be building on this property by spring. 258 00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:48,586 Coming up with money to pay off Coyote Pass, 259 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:49,931 very difficult. 260 00:12:49,965 --> 00:12:53,517 Coming up with a downpayment on a house: not hard. 261 00:12:53,551 --> 00:12:56,724 We could've done that. But Janelle was refusing to do that. 262 00:12:56,758 --> 00:12:59,137 So, it's just small. Just 1200 square feet. 263 00:12:59,172 --> 00:13:00,862 -'Cause that's what we can do. -1200? 264 00:13:00,896 --> 00:13:03,103 -That's what we can do with the county. -It's a casita. 265 00:13:03,137 --> 00:13:04,379 -Oh, so this is a casita. -And then eventually, like... 266 00:13:04,413 --> 00:13:05,620 Yeah, and then we'll stay in it 267 00:13:05,655 --> 00:13:07,793 while she goes to school or whatever, once we build. 268 00:13:07,827 --> 00:13:09,344 -Yeah. -Perfect. 269 00:13:09,379 --> 00:13:13,103 You know, I think the biggest problem in forward movement is just this 270 00:13:13,137 --> 00:13:15,379 argument that the family has whether we have 271 00:13:15,413 --> 00:13:18,586 the ability to pay off the property or not. 272 00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:21,758 See, Kody's like, "We don't have the money." I'm like, "We have the money. 273 00:13:21,793 --> 00:13:24,758 We're in the same situation we were in when we gave Christine the money 274 00:13:24,793 --> 00:13:29,310 for her house, and definitely when we gave Robyn the money for her house. 275 00:13:29,344 --> 00:13:32,310 I just feel like nobody's watching out for me. Nobody's prioritizing me. 276 00:13:32,344 --> 00:13:34,275 It's not a five-alarm fire." 277 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:40,034 I feel like I'm just watching, but I can be your beautiful assistant. 278 00:13:40,068 --> 00:13:41,793 You are going to be my beautiful assistant. 279 00:13:41,827 --> 00:13:44,758 That's a joke, Savanah, we always make about your dad. 280 00:13:44,793 --> 00:13:47,137 He always needs a beautiful assistant when he does something. 281 00:13:47,172 --> 00:13:48,275 Right? It's true. 282 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:50,862 When Dad is working on something, 283 00:13:50,896 --> 00:13:53,482 he's always like, "No, no, no, no. Let me do it." 284 00:13:53,517 --> 00:13:57,482 And he's always like, frustrated when you don't do it the way he wants you. 285 00:13:57,517 --> 00:14:01,413 And eventually, you just become like, "Can you bring me this tool?" 286 00:14:01,448 --> 00:14:03,689 Or, "Can you hold the flashlight?"" 287 00:14:03,724 --> 00:14:06,275 And it's just like you don't even really do much 288 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:10,482 -except criticize what he does. -[all laughing] 289 00:14:11,413 --> 00:14:12,689 So you need a hammer, 290 00:14:12,724 --> 00:14:14,517 -and a flathead screwdriver and a Philips. -[Savanah] Uh-oh. 291 00:14:14,551 --> 00:14:16,827 Usually, when I was Kody's beautiful assistant, 292 00:14:16,862 --> 00:14:18,758 I would just... you know, it was great. It was a lot of fun. 293 00:14:18,793 --> 00:14:20,172 I loved doing stuff like that. 294 00:14:20,206 --> 00:14:23,689 I loved seeing how things work and how to fix things. I love it. 295 00:14:23,724 --> 00:14:25,034 So, I would never mind. 296 00:14:25,068 --> 00:14:26,827 But if he got too intense, I'd just start messing with him. 297 00:14:26,862 --> 00:14:28,793 I'd be like, "I don't think it's supposed to be like that." 298 00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:32,172 And he would get really frustrated. [laughing] 299 00:14:32,206 --> 00:14:34,586 No, I wouldn't do it on purpose, totally. 300 00:14:34,620 --> 00:14:38,310 If things got too intense, they just needed to come down a little bit. 301 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:41,586 That is my job, as a beautiful assistant, to calm him down. 302 00:14:42,482 --> 00:14:43,758 So, holidays. 303 00:14:43,793 --> 00:14:46,896 Kody's still feeling like the boys 304 00:14:46,931 --> 00:14:49,551 need to have a conversation with him or whatever. 305 00:14:49,586 --> 00:14:50,965 So, we're separate. 306 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,896 So you're not going to go over to Robyn's house for Christmas? 307 00:14:52,931 --> 00:14:55,793 No. Kody feels like they owe him a big apology 308 00:14:55,827 --> 00:14:57,862 and some sort of conversation and stuff 309 00:14:57,896 --> 00:15:01,379 -for being disrespectful and-- -Have they been disrespectful? 310 00:15:01,413 --> 00:15:04,068 I think it was a disagreement. 311 00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:07,931 [Kody] The whole reason I'm in this place with the boys 312 00:15:07,965 --> 00:15:09,758 is 'cause I don't want to have a holiday experience 313 00:15:09,793 --> 00:15:11,793 where we haven't already cleared the air. 314 00:15:11,827 --> 00:15:13,448 Or something political comes up. 315 00:15:13,482 --> 00:15:17,862 Or something about COVID, or my own experience with it, or anything comes up, 316 00:15:17,896 --> 00:15:21,620 and we end up devolving into an angry conversation. 317 00:15:21,655 --> 00:15:27,068 That's a stupidity that I'm not going to bring into my house for holidays. 318 00:15:27,103 --> 00:15:30,413 I mean, I always said, I'd pick my kids before Kody. And that sounds like 319 00:15:30,448 --> 00:15:31,517 -is that what-- -[Janelle] What am I going to do? 320 00:15:31,551 --> 00:15:33,344 Go over to Robyn's house and hangout? 321 00:15:33,379 --> 00:15:36,758 Savanah, you go to Robyn's house and hangout with Robyn's kids and Meri and Kody? 322 00:15:36,793 --> 00:15:38,551 They're not going to do Christmas together. 323 00:15:40,103 --> 00:15:43,379 Janelle's going to do Christmas with her kids. 324 00:15:43,413 --> 00:15:46,482 Because Kody has to have a conversation with his sons? 325 00:15:49,344 --> 00:15:52,034 [sighs] The whole thing frankly makes me nauseous. 326 00:15:52,068 --> 00:15:55,793 Is me leaving Kody causing any problems? 327 00:15:55,827 --> 00:15:59,827 Like, he told me, like, you're breaking up the family and it's your fault 328 00:15:59,862 --> 00:16:01,310 -that we're splitting. You... -[Savanah] Whoa! 329 00:16:02,862 --> 00:16:05,586 -[Christine] Is it? -No, I don't think so. He's angry. 330 00:16:05,620 --> 00:16:06,931 [Christine] I think he's just angry at her, right? 331 00:16:06,965 --> 00:16:08,137 He's really angry and he admits that 332 00:16:08,172 --> 00:16:09,931 -that he's really angry. -Okay 333 00:16:09,965 --> 00:16:12,413 Kody told me I was breaking up the family. 334 00:16:12,448 --> 00:16:16,413 Like, it's my fault that the family is breaking up. 335 00:16:17,034 --> 00:16:18,310 Dude. 336 00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:21,551 If my relationship with my sister wives is up to me, 337 00:16:21,586 --> 00:16:26,241 and it's my fault that I have a bad relationship with my sister wives, 338 00:16:26,275 --> 00:16:30,344 why isn't it your fault if you have a bad relationship with your children? 339 00:16:30,379 --> 00:16:35,137 Do I worry that we will be able to turn this around? Absolutely. 340 00:16:35,172 --> 00:16:39,551 -Oh, really? It's that bad? -I am worried just because Kody is in such a place 341 00:16:39,586 --> 00:16:42,172 where he just is like, "I'm just tired of doing all the work 342 00:16:42,206 --> 00:16:44,000 to hold the family together." 343 00:16:44,034 --> 00:16:46,551 And I feel like, as a husband in a plural family, 344 00:16:46,586 --> 00:16:48,551 that's kind of your responsibility. 345 00:16:48,586 --> 00:16:51,965 When a wife, like Janelle, undermines your rules 346 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,931 she undermines my ability to actually lead in the family. 347 00:16:54,965 --> 00:16:57,068 I could be a great leader in the family, 348 00:16:57,103 --> 00:17:00,275 and I should be in spite of their undermining. 349 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:02,517 But I don't have the exposure to the children 350 00:17:02,551 --> 00:17:04,205 that the mothers have in this family. 351 00:17:04,241 --> 00:17:08,000 So, having the mothers support me would be the thing to do. 352 00:17:08,034 --> 00:17:10,827 Like, you can't be a husband in a plural family and just be like, 353 00:17:10,862 --> 00:17:13,655 -"Well, I don't want to do any more work." -No, you cant. 354 00:17:13,689 --> 00:17:15,619 "I want you guys to all get together so it's easy for me." 355 00:17:15,655 --> 00:17:17,827 -I'm sorry, that's not how it works. -[Christine] It doesn't work. 356 00:17:17,862 --> 00:17:20,310 [Janelle] I mean, look, Kody and I have been through some tough spots, 357 00:17:20,344 --> 00:17:22,896 and we've always come out of them. 358 00:17:22,931 --> 00:17:26,896 But I can't really be in a full relationship with him 359 00:17:26,931 --> 00:17:28,862 if he's going to be estranged from my children. 360 00:17:28,896 --> 00:17:30,172 I just... 361 00:17:30,827 --> 00:17:32,517 It just seems really wrong. 362 00:17:32,551 --> 00:17:34,758 Well, you got the pegs. And so, if you look in the... 363 00:17:34,793 --> 00:17:37,724 In the things, it has like, a number four is there. 364 00:17:37,758 --> 00:17:40,758 I mean, look, a big part of my relationship with Kody has been the fact 365 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:43,379 that he was such an engaged father. He was such a good dad. 366 00:17:43,413 --> 00:17:45,586 And now he doesn't want to be that anymore. 367 00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:47,344 So, I don't even know who that guy is. 368 00:17:47,379 --> 00:17:48,344 Who is that guy? 369 00:17:52,068 --> 00:17:55,862 I'm trying really hard not to feel like it's the end of our world. 370 00:17:55,896 --> 00:17:58,344 And like, it's just hopeless. Completely hopeless. 371 00:17:58,379 --> 00:18:02,413 This whole thing with Kody and Christine has just floored me. 372 00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:06,275 And I know that... I know that [sighs] that there was, 373 00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:09,275 like, issues and stuff like that. But every marriage has issues. 374 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:11,655 Was there stuff that I didn't know about? 375 00:18:25,862 --> 00:18:26,931 Hey, I saw you pull up. 376 00:18:26,965 --> 00:18:28,172 -Hi. -Hi. 377 00:18:28,206 --> 00:18:29,068 How's it going? 378 00:18:29,862 --> 00:18:31,551 -Hey, Meri. -It's cold, Robyn. 379 00:18:31,586 --> 00:18:34,517 I think I remember Kody giving you some coats for Christmas. 380 00:18:34,551 --> 00:18:36,103 -Where are they? [laughs] -Yeah, yeah. 381 00:18:36,137 --> 00:18:37,793 -Well, they're at home. -Do you want me to go get you another... 382 00:18:37,827 --> 00:18:39,724 -They're at home in my closet. -...blanket? 383 00:18:39,758 --> 00:18:43,448 -No, I forgot to bring it. -Do you want me to get you another blanket? 384 00:18:43,482 --> 00:18:46,206 -It's possible this might not keep me warm enough. -[laughs] 385 00:18:46,241 --> 00:18:50,137 -I'll go get you one. -It's that time of year that it's like 386 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:53,551 -coming out of fall and I forget that it's cold outside. -[laughing] 387 00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:57,689 So mine and Kody's relationship is basically 388 00:18:57,724 --> 00:19:01,310 we see each other when I come over to Robyn's house. 389 00:19:01,344 --> 00:19:04,448 I've heard him refer to us as friends, which is kind of weird for me. 390 00:19:04,482 --> 00:19:07,758 Because I think friends talk to each other 391 00:19:07,793 --> 00:19:11,000 more than Kody and I talk to each other. 392 00:19:11,034 --> 00:19:15,034 -It's Kody's. -Aw, it'll be kind of like Kody's giving me hug. 393 00:19:15,068 --> 00:19:16,379 [both laughing] 394 00:19:16,413 --> 00:19:18,965 -I can like, squeeze you and put it on you. -That's... Do that. 395 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,310 -You can just close your eyes. -Do that. 396 00:19:20,344 --> 00:19:22,034 -[laughing] -It probably won't... [chuckles] 397 00:19:22,068 --> 00:19:24,551 I'll just pretend. Thank you. 398 00:19:24,586 --> 00:19:26,551 -Well, thank you. -You're welcome, honey. 399 00:19:26,586 --> 00:19:28,965 -Okay, okay. -[both laughing] 400 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,724 There was a time when he would give me his coat to wear. 401 00:19:35,068 --> 00:19:38,793 He would be all chivalrous when it was cold. 402 00:19:38,827 --> 00:19:42,034 And now Robyn's being all chivalrous for me, for him. 403 00:19:42,068 --> 00:19:46,206 Ah, it's a very nice coat. Maybe it will go missing. 404 00:19:46,241 --> 00:19:47,862 So, not too long ago, 405 00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:50,586 Kody and Jenelle and Robyn and I all got together, 406 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:54,241 and we had a discussion about the holidays, 407 00:19:54,275 --> 00:19:58,379 and who's going to be around, and what's going to happen with that. 408 00:19:58,413 --> 00:20:01,172 The last I knew is that the boys couldn't come 409 00:20:01,206 --> 00:20:03,793 until they showed respect and apologized. 410 00:20:03,827 --> 00:20:07,206 -And this is the year-- -Please do no communicate to my children for me. 411 00:20:07,241 --> 00:20:09,448 Because you and I struggle enough to communicate. 412 00:20:09,482 --> 00:20:11,793 -I'm afraid that message will get mixed. -What was I supposed to say? 413 00:20:11,827 --> 00:20:12,827 "Call Dad." 414 00:20:12,862 --> 00:20:16,310 Yeah, that conversation was very emotional. 415 00:20:16,344 --> 00:20:19,620 Okay. Am I the only one that sees this as some kind of betrayal? 416 00:20:21,448 --> 00:20:23,931 It's just a big mess. And so, I just want to 417 00:20:23,965 --> 00:20:25,482 And so, I just wanna talk to Meri about, like, 418 00:20:25,517 --> 00:20:27,724 what she wants to do for the holidays. 419 00:20:27,758 --> 00:20:30,241 She's the only one that's interested, 420 00:20:30,275 --> 00:20:32,758 in, uh, spending it together. 421 00:20:34,068 --> 00:20:35,068 Please go on. 422 00:20:36,206 --> 00:20:40,379 Just trying to again wrap my brain around, uh, 423 00:20:40,413 --> 00:20:44,034 -kind of some of the last few conversations, but... -[Meri] Mmm-hmm. 424 00:20:44,068 --> 00:20:46,413 ...you know, just... 425 00:20:46,448 --> 00:20:49,379 you know, no matter what's going on with the parents, 426 00:20:49,413 --> 00:20:51,655 I gotta make sure my kids have a good Thanksgiving, so... 427 00:20:51,689 --> 00:20:55,034 I mean, are you gonna be around or... 428 00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:56,241 -Yes. -[Robyn] Okay. 429 00:20:56,275 --> 00:20:58,379 -Is that okay? [chuckles] -[Robyn] Yes. 430 00:20:58,413 --> 00:21:00,000 I... But, I mean, you've got Mariah. 431 00:21:00,034 --> 00:21:01,655 I just... You just never know. 432 00:21:01,689 --> 00:21:04,241 -No, I'll be here. -[Robyn] So, I just don't wanna assume. 433 00:21:04,275 --> 00:21:05,413 -No. -[Robyn] So... 434 00:21:05,448 --> 00:21:08,517 I'm really struggling with what's going on right now 435 00:21:08,551 --> 00:21:10,172 with the rest of the family. 436 00:21:10,206 --> 00:21:11,655 Not just with Christine leaving, 437 00:21:11,689 --> 00:21:15,172 but the boys and Kody and Janelle and all that stuff, 438 00:21:15,206 --> 00:21:17,034 it's just like, 439 00:21:17,068 --> 00:21:18,758 "Who are you people? I don't get it." 440 00:21:19,586 --> 00:21:21,931 I'm grateful that Meri... 441 00:21:21,965 --> 00:21:24,931 is not giving up on our family. 442 00:21:24,965 --> 00:21:28,068 It's ironic because she... 443 00:21:28,103 --> 00:21:30,689 wants to keep figuring this out and working it out. 444 00:21:30,724 --> 00:21:33,137 But yeah, her and Kody or where they're at. 445 00:21:34,275 --> 00:21:36,862 And I just wish it was different. 446 00:21:37,689 --> 00:21:38,896 I do. 447 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:40,517 But yeah, no, I'll be here. 448 00:21:40,551 --> 00:21:43,586 -So, it's you and me again... -[Meri] Yeah. [chuckling] 449 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:45,241 ...pulling this off. 450 00:21:45,275 --> 00:21:48,586 Last year's Thanksgiving was weird, 451 00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:51,034 in that it wasn't our whole family. 452 00:21:51,068 --> 00:21:53,448 Usually, during the holidays, 453 00:21:53,482 --> 00:21:55,344 it's just all of us, and it's... 454 00:21:56,379 --> 00:21:59,965 big and loud and fun and... 455 00:22:01,448 --> 00:22:02,827 it wasn't that. 456 00:22:02,862 --> 00:22:06,517 -[pensive music playing] -[indistinct conversation] 457 00:22:06,551 --> 00:22:10,586 It's just Robyn and Kody and her kids and me. 458 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:13,689 [chuckling] Are you gonna do the turkey again? 459 00:22:13,724 --> 00:22:16,000 [Robyn] If... if you want me to. Yeah, if we want to. 460 00:22:16,034 --> 00:22:18,103 -I do want you to. -[Robyn] Okay. Okay, cool. 461 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:19,448 Kody really liked it. 462 00:22:19,482 --> 00:22:21,517 -Oh, yeah. -[Meri] And it's nice to not have to mess with it. 463 00:22:21,551 --> 00:22:24,896 [both laughing] 464 00:22:24,931 --> 00:22:28,000 Last year, I made the meat turkey, the animal turkey, 465 00:22:28,034 --> 00:22:29,758 and Meri made a Rice Krispies turkey, 466 00:22:29,793 --> 00:22:32,586 and she stuffed it with chocolate, candies and stuff. 467 00:22:34,068 --> 00:22:36,724 -[woman] Oh, my God. -[man] Wait a second. Wait. 468 00:22:36,758 --> 00:22:39,310 -What is that? Oh, my God. -[woman] That sauce. 469 00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:41,965 -[woman] Oh, that's so fun. -[indistinct conversation] 470 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,241 [Meri] Okay, listen. I have done the turkey for years. 471 00:22:44,275 --> 00:22:47,689 Kody used to like my turkey until he had Robyn's, 472 00:22:47,724 --> 00:22:49,586 and I guess hers is that much... 473 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:50,827 That just sounds... 474 00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:53,689 [laughing loudly] 475 00:22:57,551 --> 00:23:00,241 Mine is sweet, hers is savory. 476 00:23:00,275 --> 00:23:02,310 He could like it both if he wanted. 477 00:23:02,344 --> 00:23:05,896 He did sign up for liking everybody's turkeys. 478 00:23:06,724 --> 00:23:09,551 [chuckling] Can we just stop? 479 00:23:12,482 --> 00:23:15,586 It's weird 'cause this whole situation 480 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:17,379 has me thinking so much, 481 00:23:17,413 --> 00:23:20,517 and... and I'm going... [clears throat] 482 00:23:20,551 --> 00:23:23,275 Trying really hard not to get, like... 483 00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:24,482 What's that word when you're just feeling 484 00:23:24,517 --> 00:23:27,448 like everything's falling apart and it's bad? 485 00:23:27,482 --> 00:23:31,827 -Oh, yeah, that everything's falling apart and it's bad. -[both chuckle] 486 00:23:31,862 --> 00:23:34,172 -I'm trying not to get... What is that word? -[Meri] I hear ya. 487 00:23:34,206 --> 00:23:35,896 -There's a word. -[Meri] I don't know, is there a word for that? 488 00:23:35,931 --> 00:23:39,965 Mmm, like, you're just... kind of letting it 489 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,034 kind of hold you down sort of thing, and I'm... 490 00:23:42,068 --> 00:23:44,896 I'm thinking about other plural families a lot. 491 00:23:44,931 --> 00:23:49,448 And, like, the... the knowledge that I know about other plural families. 492 00:23:49,482 --> 00:23:51,620 How do they operate in these situations? 493 00:23:51,655 --> 00:23:55,275 I'm trying really hard not to feel like it's the end of our world 494 00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:59,103 and like that... like it's just hopeless, completely hopeless. 495 00:23:59,137 --> 00:24:02,689 I'm looking for some light at the end of the tunnel 'cause... 496 00:24:02,724 --> 00:24:05,241 'cause I'm struggling so bad. 497 00:24:05,275 --> 00:24:08,413 I mean, I'm struggling not to be, like, blue 498 00:24:08,448 --> 00:24:12,068 and crying constantly and depressed and stuff like that. 499 00:24:12,103 --> 00:24:14,758 I still think there's ways to get it figured out and fixed, 500 00:24:14,793 --> 00:24:16,586 but I feel like... 501 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:19,344 You know, I just need to, like, look at it from a different perspective 502 00:24:19,379 --> 00:24:21,793 so I don't go all dark every single time I think about it. 503 00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:24,172 'Cause it just feels so much like... 504 00:24:24,206 --> 00:24:26,482 Uh, it's such a difference and such a... 505 00:24:29,034 --> 00:24:32,206 a deviation from that big picture 506 00:24:32,241 --> 00:24:34,448 -that, you know, that I wanted, and... -Yeah. 507 00:24:34,482 --> 00:24:36,758 [Robyn] ...saw and wanted. I mean, 508 00:24:36,793 --> 00:24:39,482 COVID's really made me wonder if... 509 00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:42,448 what I saw was real, 510 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:44,551 and I'm not trying to be insulting there, 511 00:24:44,586 --> 00:24:47,586 but it's making me wonder if it was as real as I thought it was 512 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,862 because of what has happened 513 00:24:49,896 --> 00:24:52,517 the last, you know, year and a half. 514 00:24:52,551 --> 00:24:54,586 I'm struggling with depression over it. 515 00:25:00,172 --> 00:25:01,310 I feel like... 516 00:25:01,344 --> 00:25:04,000 I feel like we've failed, you know? 517 00:25:05,586 --> 00:25:07,586 I feel like it's been 518 00:25:08,586 --> 00:25:10,896 definitely amplified, 519 00:25:10,931 --> 00:25:14,000 definitely amplified during COVID. 520 00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:17,241 -"The tension that was always there" kind of thing? -[Meri] I don't know how-- 521 00:25:17,275 --> 00:25:19,103 Was it... was it there, Meri? 522 00:25:19,137 --> 00:25:22,103 Like, I just... I seriously want to sit down 523 00:25:22,137 --> 00:25:26,137 and go, "Okay, was there things I was missing 524 00:25:26,172 --> 00:25:28,862 when I first came in the family with you guys 525 00:25:28,896 --> 00:25:31,448 that I didn't quite realize were underneath everything?" 526 00:25:31,482 --> 00:25:35,517 Like, this whole thing with Kody and Christine, it's just floored me. 527 00:25:35,551 --> 00:25:38,137 And I know that... I mean, I know that... 528 00:25:38,172 --> 00:25:40,655 that there was, like, issues and stuff like that, 529 00:25:40,689 --> 00:25:42,344 but every marriage has issues. 530 00:25:42,379 --> 00:25:44,862 Was there stuff that I didn't know about? 531 00:25:48,034 --> 00:25:49,862 -[Kody] Nice to see you. -[Christine chuckling] Hi. 532 00:25:49,896 --> 00:25:51,689 I think it's good to just things lighthearted 533 00:25:51,724 --> 00:25:53,551 and keep things casual as much as possible. 534 00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:54,931 'Cause who knows what's gonna happen 535 00:25:54,965 --> 00:25:56,103 in the next ten seconds? 536 00:25:56,137 --> 00:25:57,379 I have no idea. 537 00:25:57,413 --> 00:25:59,931 [Meri] When Robyn came into the family, 538 00:25:59,965 --> 00:26:01,275 if she saw that we were perfect, 539 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:03,655 either we were all really good actors 540 00:26:03,689 --> 00:26:06,275 or she had blinders on. [chuckles] I don't know. 541 00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:10,655 [pensive music playing] 542 00:26:23,517 --> 00:26:25,413 A couple of days ago, I asked Kody 543 00:26:25,448 --> 00:26:27,310 if he could meet me at Salsa Brava 544 00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:29,689 just to discuss Truely and what she's doing 545 00:26:29,724 --> 00:26:32,103 and how she is and then the holidays as well. 546 00:26:32,137 --> 00:26:35,068 I really, really would like to have an amiable divorce, 547 00:26:35,103 --> 00:26:37,172 you know, be able to talk to him about stuff. 548 00:26:37,206 --> 00:26:39,172 [pensive music playing] 549 00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:53,379 I don't really know how I feel about meeting for lunch. 550 00:26:53,413 --> 00:26:56,310 I'm not feeling like I'm in a great place. 551 00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:08,551 -[Kody] Thank you. -[maître d'] You're welcome. 552 00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:09,379 -[Kody] Hey. -Hey. 553 00:27:09,413 --> 00:27:10,620 -Thanks a lot. -[Christine] Hi. 554 00:27:10,655 --> 00:27:12,137 -How's it going? -[Christine] How are you? 555 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:13,379 -Here's... Oh, here's... -Oh, 556 00:27:13,413 --> 00:27:14,448 [Christine] I didn't... 557 00:27:14,482 --> 00:27:16,379 -[Kody] Nice to see you. -[Christine chuckling] Hi. 558 00:27:16,413 --> 00:27:17,655 Good to see you, too. 559 00:27:23,965 --> 00:27:25,896 So, what are... Uh, well, we... 560 00:27:25,931 --> 00:27:28,206 Are we ordering, or are we talking business first? 561 00:27:28,241 --> 00:27:29,413 Well, we can do whatever. 562 00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:30,931 So... No, I'm really not talking business. 563 00:27:30,965 --> 00:27:32,068 -[Kody] Oh, I thought-- -I just wanna talk to you 564 00:27:32,103 --> 00:27:33,344 -about the holidays a little bit. -[Kody] Okay. 565 00:27:33,379 --> 00:27:35,068 -It's not business. -[Kody] Okay. 566 00:27:35,103 --> 00:27:36,931 I think it's good to just things lighthearted 567 00:27:36,965 --> 00:27:38,758 and keep things casual as much as possible. 568 00:27:38,793 --> 00:27:40,206 'Cause who knows what's gonna happen 569 00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:41,172 in the next ten seconds? 570 00:27:41,206 --> 00:27:42,620 I have no idea. 571 00:27:48,137 --> 00:27:51,034 Like, I just... I seriously want to sit down 572 00:27:51,068 --> 00:27:54,379 and go, "Okay, was there things I was missing?" 573 00:27:54,413 --> 00:27:56,793 [Meri] When Robyn came into the family, 574 00:27:56,827 --> 00:27:58,862 we were not a perfect family, 575 00:27:58,896 --> 00:28:01,137 but we were a really good family. 576 00:28:01,172 --> 00:28:03,310 I think people are looking back 577 00:28:03,344 --> 00:28:05,413 and trying to pick it apart, 578 00:28:05,448 --> 00:28:07,655 if she saw that we were perfect, 579 00:28:07,689 --> 00:28:10,689 then either we were all really good actors 580 00:28:10,724 --> 00:28:13,448 or she had blinders on. [chuckles] I don't know. 581 00:28:13,482 --> 00:28:14,896 And I'm not saying that to be rude. 582 00:28:14,931 --> 00:28:17,586 We just... We were not perfect, but we were good. 583 00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:20,275 I don't know. I don't know what their relationship was. 584 00:28:21,206 --> 00:28:22,517 But it's not... 585 00:28:24,413 --> 00:28:26,586 It's not what I would've expected from Christine. 586 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:29,655 It's also not what I would've expected from Kody. 587 00:28:29,689 --> 00:28:32,655 [Robyn] Like, everything that's going on with Kody and Christine, 588 00:28:32,689 --> 00:28:35,241 and then everything that what happened through COVID, 589 00:28:35,275 --> 00:28:37,896 I am questioning my reality. 590 00:28:39,862 --> 00:28:41,103 [clears throat] I'm starting to even wonder 591 00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:45,241 if I didn't really know what was happening back then. 592 00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:48,758 I am... I'm not the only person in love with Robyn. 593 00:28:48,793 --> 00:28:51,689 [all chuckling] 594 00:28:51,724 --> 00:28:54,965 I'm... I'm just looking for answers 'cause I don't understand this. 595 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,517 I know some people would be like, "What does it matter?" 596 00:28:57,551 --> 00:28:58,827 But it matters to me. 597 00:29:02,655 --> 00:29:04,241 And when I got divorced, 598 00:29:04,275 --> 00:29:07,413 uh, you know, it was... it was a tough situation, 599 00:29:07,448 --> 00:29:10,551 and my most important thing was my kids 600 00:29:10,586 --> 00:29:14,310 and feeling like there was a safe family 601 00:29:14,344 --> 00:29:16,068 to be a part of. 602 00:29:16,103 --> 00:29:19,689 And when I met Kody's family, 603 00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:21,793 I saw them operating as one family. 604 00:29:21,827 --> 00:29:25,655 I saw all these different things going on in the family 605 00:29:25,689 --> 00:29:28,137 that seemed very functional. 606 00:29:28,172 --> 00:29:31,965 Like, I thought this was a safe place for my kids to be. 607 00:29:33,586 --> 00:29:35,931 [Kody] The first 20 years of our family... [chuckles] 608 00:29:35,965 --> 00:29:37,827 was pretty dysfunctional. 609 00:29:37,862 --> 00:29:40,275 And I think because we wanted to be functional, 610 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:41,758 we had a very different attitude about it. 611 00:29:41,793 --> 00:29:43,620 We were trying so hard 612 00:29:43,655 --> 00:29:45,620 that we believed we were functional, 613 00:29:45,655 --> 00:29:46,517 but we weren't. 614 00:29:47,724 --> 00:29:49,551 [Janelle] You know, once Robyn entered the family, 615 00:29:49,586 --> 00:29:50,827 there was a shake-up. 616 00:29:50,862 --> 00:29:54,137 And I don't know if things were ever settled again. 617 00:29:55,551 --> 00:29:56,896 [Christine] We became very, very separate, 618 00:29:56,931 --> 00:29:59,068 and the family traditions stopped. 619 00:29:59,103 --> 00:30:01,758 And I don't know, and I'm not accusing Robyn 620 00:30:01,793 --> 00:30:04,241 of stopping all the family traditions. 621 00:30:04,275 --> 00:30:06,310 I don't know what happened. 622 00:30:06,344 --> 00:30:07,655 I just know 623 00:30:07,689 --> 00:30:12,620 that us getting together again as a family stopped happening. 624 00:30:12,655 --> 00:30:15,241 Are you having a hard time with it? 'Cause you don't sleep much. 625 00:30:15,275 --> 00:30:16,758 [Meri] I feel, like, 626 00:30:16,793 --> 00:30:19,241 just completely rejected. 627 00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:23,827 Like, I know what our relationship used to be, 628 00:30:23,862 --> 00:30:27,620 and it was good and it was fun and we laughed a lot. 629 00:30:27,655 --> 00:30:29,965 Hold on, Christine, I'm gonna go look at that one. 630 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,344 I think that one might beat the other one. 631 00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:32,517 [Christine] Holy hell, if you go look over there, I'll tackle you. 632 00:30:32,551 --> 00:30:34,068 -[Meri chuckles] -I will tackle you. 633 00:30:34,103 --> 00:30:35,586 [woman 1] I wanna see that. I wanna see it. 634 00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:38,137 [woman 2] Run, Meri! Run! Run! 635 00:30:38,172 --> 00:30:39,344 -Oh! -[Christine] Oh, my God. 636 00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:42,103 [both panting and chuckling playfully] 637 00:30:45,172 --> 00:30:47,482 [Meri] Yeah, so I don't know. And then, you know, 638 00:30:47,517 --> 00:30:50,862 clearly, when she was telling us when we were there last time... 639 00:30:50,896 --> 00:30:52,724 [sighs] 640 00:30:52,758 --> 00:30:55,000 ...over at her house, when she was telling us she was leaving, 641 00:30:55,034 --> 00:30:56,620 and she basically said to us, 642 00:30:56,655 --> 00:30:58,862 "Well, I don't wanna have a relationship 643 00:30:58,896 --> 00:31:01,241 or work on things with you guys." 644 00:31:01,275 --> 00:31:03,758 Are you interested in some sort of a... 645 00:31:05,517 --> 00:31:07,034 like, trying to work stuff out? 646 00:31:07,068 --> 00:31:09,896 I think for right now, I need space. 647 00:31:09,931 --> 00:31:10,862 -[Robyn] Okay. -For right now. 648 00:31:12,172 --> 00:31:16,103 So, some of the emotions that I have been feeling 649 00:31:16,137 --> 00:31:18,206 throughout this whole situation 650 00:31:18,241 --> 00:31:19,758 and the things that I've said are, 651 00:31:19,793 --> 00:31:21,862 I'm angry and I feel betrayed. 652 00:31:21,896 --> 00:31:26,551 But I... know 100% that that is a secondary emotion, 653 00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:29,551 and really, I'm just sad. 654 00:31:29,586 --> 00:31:32,517 [sighs] You know, I always thought that, 655 00:31:32,551 --> 00:31:34,896 like, one day, there would be 656 00:31:35,862 --> 00:31:37,655 the closeness that I wanted. 657 00:31:37,689 --> 00:31:39,931 You know, we would come... someday figure it out. 658 00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:42,448 You know, you hear the... the ladies 659 00:31:42,482 --> 00:31:45,000 in our culture and church talk about that. 660 00:31:45,034 --> 00:31:48,586 I mean, I know that she doesn't believe in this anymore. 661 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:51,172 And maybe that is just as simple as that. I don't know. 662 00:31:51,206 --> 00:31:53,034 But I don't know, 'cause like, I would... 663 00:31:53,068 --> 00:31:54,586 I would choose our family 664 00:31:54,620 --> 00:31:58,310 even if I didn't have a belief anymore. 665 00:32:00,172 --> 00:32:01,206 Yeah. 666 00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:06,586 [Meri] People tell me all the time, 667 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:09,068 "Oh, well, you're only staying there because you're forced to 668 00:32:09,103 --> 00:32:10,965 and you think that you can't go to heaven without it." 669 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,172 It's, like, bull. Like, you don't know me. 670 00:32:13,206 --> 00:32:14,241 [Christine] What are you gonna do? 671 00:32:14,275 --> 00:32:15,724 Like, you can either laugh about things 672 00:32:15,758 --> 00:32:16,827 or cry about things. 673 00:32:16,862 --> 00:32:18,620 And if you can't look back with a sense of humor, 674 00:32:18,655 --> 00:32:19,862 what a waste. 675 00:32:23,793 --> 00:32:25,517 [Robyn] I don't know. I don't... I don't... 676 00:32:25,551 --> 00:32:28,620 And I don't... I don't wanna, like, judge or something like that, 677 00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:30,000 but I just felt like... 678 00:32:30,034 --> 00:32:31,620 I kept kinda having this, like, 679 00:32:31,655 --> 00:32:33,103 "Someday, we'll figure stuff out. 680 00:32:33,137 --> 00:32:35,034 We can have that closeness still. 681 00:32:35,068 --> 00:32:37,241 We'll figure out the issues or whatever. 682 00:32:37,275 --> 00:32:38,379 We'll have the closeness." 683 00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:42,724 And then, when she talked about leaving, 684 00:32:42,758 --> 00:32:45,758 it just... Oh, man, it shattered me. 685 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:51,137 [Meri] We all believe in a God. 686 00:32:51,172 --> 00:32:53,827 But if we're not involved in our church anymore, 687 00:32:53,862 --> 00:32:55,655 how does that affect it? 688 00:32:55,689 --> 00:33:00,172 Even if we don't believe in church or authority 689 00:33:00,206 --> 00:33:03,413 or even the principle of plural marriage, 690 00:33:03,448 --> 00:33:05,965 even if we got to that point, 691 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,965 like, we still are a family. 692 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,517 This thing that I thought we could figure out, 693 00:33:10,551 --> 00:33:12,482 you know, this kind of end goal, 694 00:33:12,517 --> 00:33:14,931 you know, just got taken away. 695 00:33:14,965 --> 00:33:17,241 [Meri] People tell me all the time, you know, 696 00:33:17,275 --> 00:33:19,862 "Oh, well, you're only staying there because you're forced to 697 00:33:19,896 --> 00:33:21,827 and you think that you can't go to heaven without it." 698 00:33:21,862 --> 00:33:24,655 It's, like, bull. Like, you don't know me. 699 00:33:26,448 --> 00:33:30,103 When I married Kody, I made a commitment to him, 700 00:33:30,137 --> 00:33:32,517 and I loved him and I still love him 701 00:33:32,551 --> 00:33:34,344 and I still honor that commitment. 702 00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:37,000 And when we decided that we... 703 00:33:37,034 --> 00:33:40,034 wanted to have a plural family, 704 00:33:40,068 --> 00:33:43,517 I didn't make that decision because... 705 00:33:43,551 --> 00:33:45,724 I thought that was the only way I was gonna get to heaven. 706 00:33:47,931 --> 00:33:50,000 I made the decision because I loved Kody 707 00:33:50,034 --> 00:33:51,482 and I wanted to spend 708 00:33:52,827 --> 00:33:55,206 my eternities with him. 709 00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:57,793 I know that everybody is dealing with it in different ways, 710 00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:02,310 and I know that Kody's dealing with it in a very, very big way, 711 00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:04,482 and we need to acknowledge that and... 712 00:34:04,517 --> 00:34:07,482 I'm not trying to, like, tell anybody what to do, 713 00:34:07,517 --> 00:34:09,447 but, like, he really, really is going 714 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:12,896 through some major, weird stuff in his head 715 00:34:12,931 --> 00:34:14,137 trying to figure this out. 716 00:34:14,172 --> 00:34:17,172 I probably talk to him maybe once every other week... 717 00:34:17,206 --> 00:34:18,757 -[Robyn] Mmm-hmm. -...and I can see that. 718 00:34:18,793 --> 00:34:20,585 Well, I think that's why I'm, like, trying to say, like, 719 00:34:20,620 --> 00:34:23,447 we need to kinda carry the... the torch 720 00:34:23,482 --> 00:34:26,413 'cause he's been kinda carrying it, like, 721 00:34:26,447 --> 00:34:29,068 a long time, and he's tired. 722 00:34:33,034 --> 00:34:35,241 [crying] Yeah, he's so discouraged. 723 00:34:42,551 --> 00:34:43,344 [chuckles softly] 724 00:34:48,034 --> 00:34:51,482 You guys, if somebody just can pick up that torch, 725 00:34:51,516 --> 00:34:54,655 then it's gonna go out. 726 00:34:54,688 --> 00:34:57,896 I mean, I respect that and I'm okay with that and whatever, 727 00:34:57,931 --> 00:35:00,413 -and I'm open to having, you know, conversations... -[Robyn] Mmm-hmm. 728 00:35:00,448 --> 00:35:01,862 -...that involve me... -[Robyn] Mmm-hmm. 729 00:35:01,896 --> 00:35:04,034 -[Meri] ...that I would need to be included in. -Mmm-hmm. 730 00:35:04,068 --> 00:35:05,310 [Meri] I would worry about... 731 00:35:05,344 --> 00:35:09,310 that he is expecting, like, 100% perfection 732 00:35:09,344 --> 00:35:11,172 in order to, like, move forward. 733 00:35:11,206 --> 00:35:12,793 I completely understand 734 00:35:12,827 --> 00:35:14,827 and support what Robyn's talking about. 735 00:35:14,862 --> 00:35:17,000 But because mine and Kody's relationship 736 00:35:17,034 --> 00:35:19,655 is basically non-existent, 737 00:35:19,689 --> 00:35:21,275 it's not a strong relationship, 738 00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:23,448 I don't think that he would recognize 739 00:35:23,482 --> 00:35:25,862 any support that I was giving 740 00:35:25,896 --> 00:35:28,965 to the family or to him. 741 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,620 I feel like Kody is pretty... 742 00:35:32,655 --> 00:35:36,931 He's so optimistic, and he has the tendency to be really, like... 743 00:35:36,965 --> 00:35:41,034 I watched him, like, sort of change his tune with someone. 744 00:35:41,068 --> 00:35:43,137 Like, he'll be mad at somebody one day, 745 00:35:43,172 --> 00:35:45,448 and then he changes his tune about what he thinks 746 00:35:45,482 --> 00:35:47,310 and what's going on with him 747 00:35:47,344 --> 00:35:50,724 just based on, like, a good day or a couple of good days 748 00:35:50,758 --> 00:35:51,758 or good... you know... 749 00:35:51,793 --> 00:35:54,103 you know, he's connecting or whatever it is. 750 00:35:54,137 --> 00:35:57,620 And so, I think if we're just, like, diligently trying 751 00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,000 to actually talk, 752 00:36:00,034 --> 00:36:03,586 actually communicate what the issues are, 753 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:06,068 you know, I wanna try and do. 'Cause he's... 754 00:36:07,689 --> 00:36:09,862 Yeah, he's just tired, but... 755 00:36:12,655 --> 00:36:14,206 [Meri] Life is heavy on him. 756 00:36:14,241 --> 00:36:16,034 Like, he doesn't smile, 757 00:36:16,068 --> 00:36:18,310 he doesn't laugh, he doesn't joke, 758 00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:19,620 at least not when I'm around. 759 00:36:19,655 --> 00:36:23,068 It's just this heavy, heavy scowl. 760 00:36:23,103 --> 00:36:24,793 I mean, it's the only thing I feel like is... 761 00:36:24,827 --> 00:36:27,034 the only we're gonna be able to, like, 762 00:36:28,724 --> 00:36:31,068 you know, pick up the baton for him 763 00:36:31,103 --> 00:36:33,275 -as if we're doing it together, the three of us. -Yeah. 764 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:37,758 I mean, wouldn't that be just, be really cool, Meri? 765 00:36:37,793 --> 00:36:41,068 Just to, like, get together and... 766 00:36:42,068 --> 00:36:44,965 look at everybody in the room and feel like, 767 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,965 "I trust them and they trust me"? 768 00:36:49,965 --> 00:36:50,862 Yeah, it would. 769 00:36:50,896 --> 00:36:52,379 I appreciate that I have that with you. 770 00:36:53,241 --> 00:36:54,689 I have her back. 771 00:36:54,724 --> 00:36:57,413 Do I agree with everything that she does 772 00:36:57,448 --> 00:36:59,827 or thinks or says? No. 773 00:36:59,862 --> 00:37:02,931 All right, I guess I'll give you back 774 00:37:02,965 --> 00:37:06,000 -[sigh] the pretend Kody hug. -[Robyn laughs] 775 00:37:06,034 --> 00:37:08,931 [Meri] You know, Kody and I have been in... in this place 776 00:37:08,965 --> 00:37:10,448 for quite a while, 777 00:37:10,482 --> 00:37:12,655 where we're just, I guess... 778 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:15,551 The word that you would put to it would be "estranged." 779 00:37:15,586 --> 00:37:18,103 And this has been going on for quite a few years, 780 00:37:18,137 --> 00:37:22,551 but I am also in this place of working it out. 781 00:37:22,586 --> 00:37:24,724 -See ya. -[Robyn chuckling] Bye. 782 00:37:24,758 --> 00:37:27,413 [Meri] You know, I think there's work that we would have to do, 783 00:37:27,448 --> 00:37:29,310 but I think that we could do it, 784 00:37:29,344 --> 00:37:32,000 you know, if we actually just put the effort in. 785 00:37:36,448 --> 00:37:38,413 [Kody] Seeing Christine for the first time is like, 786 00:37:38,448 --> 00:37:39,655 "Hey, how are ya?" 787 00:37:39,689 --> 00:37:41,482 Well, it's a little uncomfortable, but... 788 00:37:41,517 --> 00:37:43,241 "Um, hope you're doing well." 789 00:37:43,275 --> 00:37:45,689 I feel so betrayed 790 00:37:45,724 --> 00:37:48,206 after all that I have done for this marriage, 791 00:37:48,241 --> 00:37:50,724 and then to have her sort of [bleep] talk me to the kids, 792 00:37:50,758 --> 00:37:54,448 I kind of feel like, in my heart, 793 00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:57,413 "I just never wanna see her again, 794 00:37:57,448 --> 00:38:01,827 and I wanna spend some time hating her." 795 00:38:01,862 --> 00:38:03,034 Anyway, you wanted to talk about Christmas. 796 00:38:03,068 --> 00:38:04,068 Holidays. Right, Christmas. 797 00:38:04,103 --> 00:38:05,379 -[Kody] Holidays. -Okay, okay. 798 00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:07,310 Um, so I was thinking 799 00:38:07,344 --> 00:38:09,965 about leaving a couple of days after Christmas. 800 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,827 So, like, the 27th, we're gonna drive down. 801 00:38:13,862 --> 00:38:14,896 So, we'll be here for a few days 802 00:38:14,931 --> 00:38:16,551 between Christmas and New Year's. 803 00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:19,000 Can you guys test in Utah? 804 00:38:19,034 --> 00:38:20,931 So, even though you had COVID and everything, 805 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:22,172 you still want us to test? 806 00:38:22,206 --> 00:38:24,448 Well, Aurora hasn't had COVID. 807 00:38:24,482 --> 00:38:26,689 -And she's... -[gasps] Wait, seriously? 808 00:38:26,724 --> 00:38:28,379 -So, everyone got it but Aurora? -[Kody] No, she never got... 809 00:38:28,413 --> 00:38:30,689 -Nope, she never got it. Yeah, isn't that trippy? -[gasps] 810 00:38:30,724 --> 00:38:33,655 I haven't talked to Kody about COVID. 811 00:38:33,689 --> 00:38:37,689 I really, honestly forgot how concerned he is about it. 812 00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:40,827 You... you travel here, you get here, you take the test. 813 00:38:40,862 --> 00:38:43,758 -Okay. -What I'd like to do is have 'em come over 814 00:38:43,793 --> 00:38:45,034 if they can, stay close, 815 00:38:45,068 --> 00:38:47,000 go see everybody else after 816 00:38:47,034 --> 00:38:48,655 -so that we've got 'em just solid. -[Christine] Okay. 817 00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:51,137 Then they're just gonna go up to Robyn's house, 818 00:38:51,172 --> 00:38:53,275 and I'll just go over to the rental 819 00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:54,896 and just hang out with Janelle and the kids. 820 00:38:55,827 --> 00:38:58,206 I'm not going to go to Robyn's, no. 821 00:38:58,241 --> 00:39:00,965 No, that's... No. Why? 822 00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:04,068 Um, I... When Janelle told us 823 00:39:04,103 --> 00:39:08,034 that she and her kids are gonna do Christmas separate from us, 824 00:39:08,068 --> 00:39:10,758 it... broke my heart. It was very sad to hear it. 825 00:39:10,793 --> 00:39:12,241 -Thank you. -[Christine] Mmm-hmm. 826 00:39:12,275 --> 00:39:14,655 -So, Gwendlyn's not gonna be here for Christmas. -[Christine] Mmm-mmm. 827 00:39:14,689 --> 00:39:17,379 Uh, I was sick during her birthday with the... 828 00:39:17,413 --> 00:39:18,586 I was laid up with COVID. 829 00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:20,689 [chuckling] You also had other issues. 830 00:39:20,724 --> 00:39:22,379 Was she thinking that was funny, too? 831 00:39:22,413 --> 00:39:23,551 I was out of my mind. 832 00:39:23,586 --> 00:39:25,068 -But when I talk about getting anxiety, -Sorry, I'm so-- 833 00:39:25,103 --> 00:39:26,551 Christine, and depression... 834 00:39:26,586 --> 00:39:28,551 I know, and I'm sorry to even laugh a little bit, 835 00:39:28,586 --> 00:39:29,724 -but Gwendlyn was like... -[Kody] Oh. 836 00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:30,965 You didn't mean it that way, it's okay. 837 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,275 -I... -[Kody chuckles] 838 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:36,689 [Christine] I was married to him for 27 years, all right? 839 00:39:36,724 --> 00:39:38,655 Every time that guy got sick, 840 00:39:38,689 --> 00:39:42,413 it was like the whole world revolved around his being sick. 841 00:39:42,448 --> 00:39:45,379 COVID was overwhelming for me, 842 00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:48,689 not being able to sleep and not being able to breathe. 843 00:39:48,724 --> 00:39:50,206 [chuckling] I'm sorry, I really... 844 00:39:50,241 --> 00:39:52,965 The... Kody, her description of you is what's funny. 845 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,034 What are you gonna do? 846 00:39:54,068 --> 00:39:55,448 Like, you can either laugh about things 847 00:39:55,482 --> 00:39:56,551 or cry about things. 848 00:39:56,586 --> 00:39:58,448 And if you can't look back with a sense of humor, 849 00:39:58,482 --> 00:39:59,586 what a waste. 850 00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:02,000 I was in the fetal position on the floor, sobbing. 851 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:04,344 Well, I'm not laughing. 852 00:40:04,379 --> 00:40:05,862 I'm not laughing here. I'm not laughing... 853 00:40:05,896 --> 00:40:08,034 I haven't been laughing with her leaving. 854 00:40:08,068 --> 00:40:09,965 I've never been laughing about this thing. 855 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,379 She... she... she asked me to stop staying at her place, 856 00:40:12,413 --> 00:40:13,793 I wasn't laughing then. 857 00:40:13,827 --> 00:40:15,172 She moved my stuff into the garage, 858 00:40:15,206 --> 00:40:16,724 I wasn't laughing then. 859 00:40:16,758 --> 00:40:19,310 She left with Truely, and she left early, 860 00:40:19,344 --> 00:40:20,965 I wasn't laughing then. 861 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,137 I've never been laughing about this. 862 00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:27,034 [laughing] My reactions were just terrible today. 863 00:40:27,068 --> 00:40:29,137 I'm so sorry. 864 00:40:29,172 --> 00:40:30,758 I'm not married to him anymore. 865 00:40:30,793 --> 00:40:32,206 It's so freaking awesome. 866 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:40,034 [Kody] This season onSister Wives... 867 00:40:40,068 --> 00:40:42,241 Do you really wanna still have a plural family? 868 00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:44,000 Sometimes, I can't tell. 869 00:40:44,034 --> 00:40:47,275 I'm in this bad place with Janelle, and Christine's gone. 870 00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:48,965 Don't even know what to do with Meri. 871 00:40:54,482 --> 00:40:58,103 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away 872 00:40:58,137 --> 00:41:00,620 because, I'm sorry, I still have hope. 873 00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:03,068 [Kody] In my head, I'm really wondering 874 00:41:03,103 --> 00:41:04,620 why she lives in Flagstaff. 875 00:41:04,655 --> 00:41:07,000 I'm growing, and I need something different. 876 00:41:07,034 --> 00:41:09,655 Like, I don't wanna be married anymore. 877 00:41:11,172 --> 00:41:12,724 There's no question, Robyn. 878 00:41:13,448 --> 00:41:14,827 He's done with me. 879 00:41:14,862 --> 00:41:16,896 Kody's gonna do what Kody's gonna do. 880 00:41:16,931 --> 00:41:18,620 You know what, Robyn? Have him. 881 00:41:18,655 --> 00:41:20,655 We're all grown adults 882 00:41:20,689 --> 00:41:23,000 that don't need a father figure anymore. 883 00:41:24,931 --> 00:41:26,034 I've really struggled. 884 00:41:26,068 --> 00:41:28,793 I've been pretty grouchy, very, very angry. 885 00:41:28,827 --> 00:41:31,379 So, you're still kind of angry and stuff? 886 00:41:32,586 --> 00:41:34,310 Yeah, I've got anger issues. 887 00:41:36,344 --> 00:41:41,034 [Meri] This is not the happy-go-lucky Kody Brown that I used to know. 888 00:41:41,068 --> 00:41:42,758 So, what partnership do we have? 889 00:41:42,793 --> 00:41:45,034 This is not only me, Kody. 890 00:41:45,068 --> 00:41:47,413 Don't you dare point your finger at me. 891 00:41:49,793 --> 00:41:52,000 I just wanted to let you know I'm not gonna be around. 892 00:41:53,379 --> 00:41:54,724 It's not what I want. 893 00:41:55,965 --> 00:42:00,241 [choking up] I wanted to sit on a porch 894 00:42:00,275 --> 00:42:02,620 with my sister wives, 895 00:42:02,655 --> 00:42:05,275 with her kids and her grandkids. 896 00:42:06,827 --> 00:42:08,620 Everything is changing. 897 00:42:08,655 --> 00:42:11,689 There's been a lot of, dare I say, drama? 898 00:42:11,724 --> 00:42:12,827 Everybody's angry. 899 00:42:12,862 --> 00:42:15,034 Everybody's angry, right? 900 00:42:15,068 --> 00:42:17,827 [Kody] I worked so hard to do what was right. 901 00:42:17,862 --> 00:42:19,931 And when you lose them, well, 902 00:42:19,965 --> 00:42:22,448 I should just be the devil I think I am now. 903 00:42:24,137 --> 00:42:25,620 -[Kody] No, you make this excuse forever. -Listen to me. 904 00:42:25,655 --> 00:42:27,000 But I've-- 905 00:42:27,034 --> 00:42:28,620 Shut your [bleep] mouth and let me talk to you for a minute. 906 00:42:28,655 --> 00:42:30,724 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 907 00:42:30,758 --> 00:42:33,034 -You stay and talk. -[Kody] I'm done listening to you. 908 00:42:33,068 --> 00:42:34,310 -Okay, so... -[Kody] Goodbye. 909 00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:35,310 [bleep] you.