1 00:00:01,344 --> 00:00:02,931 [narrator] Previously onSister Wives... 2 00:00:02,965 --> 00:00:06,413 I do think I want to stay separated. 3 00:00:06,448 --> 00:00:10,517 [Kody] We've been separated two or three times in the past. 4 00:00:10,551 --> 00:00:14,344 I always felt like that was because she couldn't manage 5 00:00:14,379 --> 00:00:16,033 the relationship with her sister wives. 6 00:00:16,068 --> 00:00:17,724 Maybe I was wrong. 7 00:00:17,758 --> 00:00:19,758 [Robyn] Kody's gonna do what Kody's gonna do. 8 00:00:19,793 --> 00:00:21,206 Even with Janelle, like... 9 00:00:22,206 --> 00:00:24,862 Why aren't you reaching out there? 10 00:00:25,793 --> 00:00:28,068 He's gonna be very, very angry. 11 00:00:28,103 --> 00:00:30,172 I don't know how you do it. 12 00:00:30,206 --> 00:00:33,103 [Meri] 'Cause he's not who you married, he's not who I married. 13 00:00:33,137 --> 00:00:34,413 No, he hasn't been. 14 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:35,965 [Meri] It's really sad 15 00:00:36,586 --> 00:00:38,379 seeing him go downhill. 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,793 Okay, so you haven't been heartbroken. 17 00:00:41,827 --> 00:00:45,482 You don't cry, you haven't been... Oh, my gosh. 18 00:00:45,517 --> 00:00:48,310 It felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. 19 00:00:48,344 --> 00:00:50,000 So, you're leaving Kody? You're done? 20 00:00:50,034 --> 00:00:51,827 -Well... -Does he know you're done? 21 00:00:51,862 --> 00:00:54,137 I think he just likes to string people along. 22 00:00:54,689 --> 00:00:55,655 He's exhausting. 23 00:01:31,413 --> 00:01:33,965 [Meri] I'm going to be moving my clothing business up to Utah. 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,896 I've been travelling back and forth between Parowan and Flagstaff 25 00:01:36,931 --> 00:01:40,931 like a lot over the past year and it's just getting to be too much. 26 00:01:42,206 --> 00:01:44,310 I already told Robyn 27 00:01:44,344 --> 00:01:48,033 and I did ask her if she would mind coming over when I told Kody 28 00:01:48,068 --> 00:01:52,000 because for some reason he seems to be able to hear what she says 29 00:01:52,033 --> 00:01:54,068 when he doesn't really hear what I say. 30 00:01:54,103 --> 00:01:55,586 -Hey. -[Robyn] Hey. 31 00:01:56,862 --> 00:01:59,723 I always want to try to be supportive 32 00:01:59,758 --> 00:02:04,206 of, you know, Kody's relationship with any of his wives. 33 00:02:04,241 --> 00:02:06,793 I don't know. Sometimes, I feel like I don't know what I can do, 34 00:02:06,827 --> 00:02:09,033 but I want to try to help. 35 00:02:09,068 --> 00:02:12,827 I just realized my hair's kind of crazy, I better grab my glasses to hold it. 36 00:02:12,862 --> 00:02:14,275 [laughs] Okay. 37 00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:17,689 I never know what Meri's calling me over for. 38 00:02:17,724 --> 00:02:20,620 "Hey, I need to talk to you. Can you come talk to me?" Okay. 39 00:02:21,379 --> 00:02:22,517 You know, I just leave it at that. 40 00:02:23,172 --> 00:02:24,137 [knocking on door] 41 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:25,620 [Meri] Come in. 42 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:33,034 -Hey, Meri. -[Meri] Hi. 43 00:02:34,241 --> 00:02:35,379 How's it going? 44 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:37,965 Good, how are you? Come on in. 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,517 Honestly, I don't think that Kody's really even gonna care. 46 00:02:41,551 --> 00:02:45,551 Actually, if it would be like... kind of 47 00:02:45,586 --> 00:02:49,689 a slap in the face of realization... for him, 48 00:02:49,724 --> 00:02:51,034 that would be really cool. 49 00:02:51,067 --> 00:02:53,413 But I don't really have a whole lot of hope for that either. 50 00:02:54,517 --> 00:02:56,965 So is it all right if I sit here where your book is? 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,172 -Yes. -I don't want to sit in the middle. 52 00:03:00,034 --> 00:03:01,896 Just wanted to sit in here. 53 00:03:03,689 --> 00:03:04,689 Oof. 54 00:03:06,655 --> 00:03:09,310 -What's up? -Not much. 55 00:03:09,344 --> 00:03:10,310 -What's up with you? -[Kody] Really? 56 00:03:11,379 --> 00:03:12,344 I don't know where to start. 57 00:03:14,034 --> 00:03:17,758 Meri and I don't a marriage really, kind of. 58 00:03:17,793 --> 00:03:21,379 Robyn is very sensitive to what other people see. 59 00:03:21,413 --> 00:03:25,068 So Robyn like keeps her distance from me a lot when I'm around Meri. 60 00:03:25,103 --> 00:03:26,793 Or when I'm around any wives. 61 00:03:26,827 --> 00:03:30,068 This is something that we've discussed as a family for years. 62 00:03:30,103 --> 00:03:32,344 Do we show affection in front of the other wives? 63 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:34,310 'Cause other polygamists are able to 64 00:03:34,344 --> 00:03:38,965 and we just have never been able to. 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,482 [Meri] I know that when I've been in a good place with him 66 00:03:41,517 --> 00:03:44,827 then it doesn't bother me 67 00:03:44,862 --> 00:03:47,758 when he's showing affection to somebody else. 68 00:03:47,793 --> 00:03:51,344 Because I know that he cares about me. 69 00:03:51,379 --> 00:03:55,172 But then when you don't have a really good relationship with him, 70 00:03:55,206 --> 00:03:57,241 and you're feeling a little bit more insecure, 71 00:03:57,275 --> 00:04:01,655 it's gonna be hard to see him being all PDA with somebody else. 72 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:05,310 This is the type of discussion that we've all had through the years, 73 00:04:05,344 --> 00:04:08,689 and that's kind of, I guess, where we came up 74 00:04:08,724 --> 00:04:13,758 with the conclusion that it's probably best to be a little bit more careful 75 00:04:13,793 --> 00:04:16,481 and a little bit more reserved in front of... 76 00:04:17,896 --> 00:04:19,517 the other women. 77 00:04:19,551 --> 00:04:24,206 So it's interesting that Kody is seeming to kind of have an issue 78 00:04:24,241 --> 00:04:28,379 with it now that we're not supposed to show any affection 79 00:04:28,413 --> 00:04:29,896 around each other, you know. 80 00:04:30,448 --> 00:04:32,000 Things going okay? 81 00:04:32,034 --> 00:04:34,827 Oh, yeah. Everything's going good. Is everything going good? 82 00:04:34,862 --> 00:04:36,172 I think everything's going good. 83 00:04:36,896 --> 00:04:38,206 [sighs] 84 00:04:38,241 --> 00:04:39,448 [Robyn] Things are not good. 85 00:04:39,482 --> 00:04:41,655 I'm not okay with what's going on with the family. 86 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:44,034 I'm really, really struggling with it. 87 00:04:44,068 --> 00:04:47,586 [Kody] It's really awkward because the only wife I have a relationship with right now 88 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:49,137 is Robyn. 89 00:04:49,172 --> 00:04:52,482 But we've never been allowed to essentially be in love with each other, 90 00:04:52,517 --> 00:04:55,034 or find solace in each other. 91 00:04:55,068 --> 00:05:02,103 'Cause this kind of quasi-plural marriage mess that's been going on. 92 00:05:02,137 --> 00:05:04,620 And now everybody else is leaving, everybody else is gone. 93 00:05:04,655 --> 00:05:07,206 We're having these struggles with everybody else. 94 00:05:07,241 --> 00:05:09,965 But we still don't feel like we can expose 95 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,862 our... place of solace. Our love for each other in any way. 96 00:05:15,896 --> 00:05:18,310 This is not a safe place for us. 97 00:05:18,344 --> 00:05:22,620 Okay, well, thanks for coming over. I told Robyn this the other day. 98 00:05:22,655 --> 00:05:25,103 I just thought I'd let you know. [laughs] 99 00:05:26,103 --> 00:05:27,689 That I, um... 100 00:05:28,793 --> 00:05:31,620 am going to downsize. 101 00:05:32,586 --> 00:05:34,137 [sighs] 102 00:05:34,172 --> 00:05:38,379 And get a smaller place and move my clothing business out to the B and B. 103 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,793 So I'll just be spending more time up there. 104 00:05:45,172 --> 00:05:47,655 Cool. That's good, right? 105 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:49,448 Or is it just because you have to? 106 00:05:51,068 --> 00:05:54,241 We talked about this before and she was like, "Kody's just not gonna care, 107 00:05:54,275 --> 00:05:56,689 and he's gonna be all good with it and stuff." 108 00:05:56,724 --> 00:05:59,551 And I'm like, "Please say the right thing." 109 00:06:01,965 --> 00:06:02,965 Please. 110 00:06:05,034 --> 00:06:06,793 Please give her something to hang on to. 111 00:06:08,724 --> 00:06:11,413 Um, sorry, I'm distracted by your ring. 112 00:06:11,448 --> 00:06:12,758 That's a different ring. 113 00:06:14,137 --> 00:06:16,931 [laughs] Is that not something I should say? 114 00:06:17,965 --> 00:06:20,068 -[Kody] Just a ring. -It's a cool ring, right? 115 00:06:20,103 --> 00:06:23,206 -It's a cool ring. -Wow, that sounded awkward. 116 00:06:23,241 --> 00:06:25,551 [Kody] There's so much nuance going on here. 117 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:27,517 Distracted by a ring? 118 00:06:27,551 --> 00:06:32,034 [stammers] I... What is going on? 119 00:06:32,068 --> 00:06:35,517 It's weird that he's being so awkward about it. 120 00:06:35,551 --> 00:06:40,137 Like if he doesn't want me to see the ring, don't wear it to my house. 121 00:06:40,172 --> 00:06:42,241 -I didn't mean to step in the middle of something there. -[Kody] I don't... 122 00:06:42,275 --> 00:06:43,758 No, no, please. 123 00:06:43,793 --> 00:06:48,344 [Meri] I did notice that it was replacing the carter ring 124 00:06:48,379 --> 00:06:51,310 that we all used to wear together. 125 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:54,275 I mean, I have no idea what this ring is or where it came from, 126 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:57,000 if he got, if Robyn got it for him, if they got it together, 127 00:06:57,034 --> 00:07:00,172 I literally have no idea and frankly I don't care. 128 00:07:16,068 --> 00:07:18,448 Garrison bought a house in Flagstaff. 129 00:07:18,482 --> 00:07:20,482 So we're gonna go look at it. I'm super excited. 130 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:24,275 -Okay, here it is. -Okay. 131 00:07:24,310 --> 00:07:27,000 There's a discussion about Gwen and Gabe 132 00:07:27,034 --> 00:07:29,551 both moving in with Garrison as roommates. 133 00:07:29,586 --> 00:07:31,448 Is this a good idea? We don't know. 134 00:07:33,655 --> 00:07:34,827 -Hey, guys. -Hi. 135 00:07:34,862 --> 00:07:37,310 -This is a robbery. -Okay. 136 00:07:37,344 --> 00:07:42,310 I'm very reticent about Gwendlyn moving in with Gabe and Garrison. 137 00:07:42,344 --> 00:07:44,965 Politically, they're very, very, very different. 138 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,758 And then Gwendlyn has a dog. 139 00:07:46,793 --> 00:07:48,448 Gabe has a dog. 140 00:07:48,482 --> 00:07:50,896 There's a cat. Cathy's Garrison's cat. 141 00:07:50,931 --> 00:07:55,758 I just think it sounds very problematic. 142 00:07:55,793 --> 00:07:58,206 I kind of want to show them what rooms you're thinking too. 143 00:07:58,241 --> 00:08:01,103 -[Garrison] Yes. -Do we have to call rooms? 144 00:08:01,137 --> 00:08:04,448 You... Well, it's gonna be based off of me. 145 00:08:04,482 --> 00:08:07,241 It's 'cause one of the rooms has two closets and has a lot of closest space, 146 00:08:07,275 --> 00:08:08,965 but it's a little bit smaller. 147 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,827 And then one of the rooms has like middle closest space, but it's a lot bigger, um... 148 00:08:13,862 --> 00:08:16,551 I might need to compensate for a lack of closet space... 149 00:08:16,586 --> 00:08:17,689 -[Garrison] Okay. -...considering I came out. 150 00:08:18,689 --> 00:08:19,689 [laughs] 151 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,172 Gwendlyn came out of the closet as bisexual, 152 00:08:27,206 --> 00:08:29,413 oh, my gosh, over a year ago. 153 00:08:29,448 --> 00:08:31,827 That went over my head until they started laughing. 154 00:08:31,862 --> 00:08:33,586 [Christine] You're funny. You're funny. 155 00:08:33,620 --> 00:08:36,172 It took us all a second to get though, right? 156 00:08:36,206 --> 00:08:38,136 We're sitting there and it took a second to process it. 157 00:08:38,965 --> 00:08:40,758 Gwendlyn has come out. 158 00:08:40,793 --> 00:08:42,895 -So... -So you guys need to look at the bathroom, 159 00:08:42,931 --> 00:08:44,206 'cause you're gonna be sharing a bathroom. 160 00:08:44,241 --> 00:08:47,793 Listen, I have accidentally used men's restrooms. 161 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:49,517 They're disgusting. 162 00:08:49,551 --> 00:08:52,586 Walked in the wrong door and I used the bathroom. 163 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:54,689 And I go up to wash my hands 164 00:08:54,724 --> 00:08:56,724 and I'm like, "Oh, that's a weird scene." 165 00:08:58,862 --> 00:09:02,517 [Garrison] Yeah, it's small so we incorporate shower caddies. 166 00:09:02,551 --> 00:09:04,862 Or, um, there's a closet that can hold your stuff. 167 00:09:04,896 --> 00:09:08,000 So Gabe and Garrison are my biological children. 168 00:09:08,034 --> 00:09:10,758 And Gwen is Christine's biological child. 169 00:09:10,793 --> 00:09:13,586 They all lived together in one house back when we lived in Utah, 170 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:16,965 but after we moved to Las Vegas, we all had separate homes. 171 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,758 But they still function in every respect as brother and sister. 172 00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:23,206 -They high ceilings make a huge different. -Oh, my gosh. 173 00:09:23,241 --> 00:09:24,103 I can fit. 174 00:09:24,137 --> 00:09:26,000 So at this point, 175 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:31,896 uh, our family... Uh, to use an analogy, kind of feels like... 176 00:09:31,931 --> 00:09:34,931 We've all abandoned ship in different life boats. 177 00:09:34,965 --> 00:09:38,482 Every individual mom is doing a great job 178 00:09:38,517 --> 00:09:41,000 of at keeping their unit together. 179 00:09:41,034 --> 00:09:43,620 I think it's really nice that my mom and her kids 180 00:09:43,655 --> 00:09:46,379 and Christine and her kids can actually maintain 181 00:09:46,413 --> 00:09:49,068 a really functional relationship. 182 00:09:49,103 --> 00:09:52,862 It gives me a lot of hope that we can still have 183 00:09:52,896 --> 00:09:55,724 this warm place for each other. 184 00:09:55,758 --> 00:09:57,896 There other thing is I'll be sending you guys leases, 185 00:09:57,931 --> 00:10:03,413 and, um, if you guys... For my... Just for the first set of leases, 186 00:10:03,448 --> 00:10:05,517 we'd have you guys be co-signers. 187 00:10:05,551 --> 00:10:09,655 That's just to cover me and if we all get in a fight or something, 188 00:10:09,689 --> 00:10:13,103 we're still, you guys are still legally bound to pay rent or something. 189 00:10:13,137 --> 00:10:14,275 [Christine and Janelle laugh] 190 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:17,103 -So... -When. It's when they fight. 191 00:10:17,137 --> 00:10:18,517 When. Mmm. 192 00:10:18,551 --> 00:10:21,620 You know what, Gwen? I'm gonna leave my caddie in the shower! 193 00:10:21,655 --> 00:10:23,241 Oh, Gabe! 194 00:10:23,275 --> 00:10:25,413 [Gwen] I'm gonna stop cleaning up my dog's poops. 195 00:10:25,448 --> 00:10:27,827 -[all exclaim] -Yeah. Yeah, that's right. 196 00:10:27,862 --> 00:10:30,241 The thing is they are siblings. They are. 197 00:10:30,275 --> 00:10:32,827 And sometimes siblings can move in with each other, 198 00:10:32,862 --> 00:10:34,172 and sometimes they can't. 199 00:10:34,206 --> 00:10:36,862 And could it hurt them permanently? Possibly. 200 00:10:36,896 --> 00:10:39,172 I mean, come on. I don't know what would happen. 201 00:10:44,551 --> 00:10:48,137 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away 202 00:10:48,172 --> 00:10:51,103 because, sorry, I still have hope, okay? 203 00:10:51,931 --> 00:10:54,068 Conversations like this 204 00:10:54,103 --> 00:10:58,793 basically tell me, "Go ahead, Meri, and just live your life 205 00:10:58,827 --> 00:11:03,310 on your own like you've been doing because nothing else is gonna change." 206 00:11:03,344 --> 00:11:05,551 I'm not pressuring you kind of to move. 207 00:11:05,586 --> 00:11:07,206 I mean, it's all on the table at this point. 208 00:11:07,241 --> 00:11:09,862 If things are as bad as I think they are, 209 00:11:09,896 --> 00:11:11,413 why not move on? 210 00:11:25,413 --> 00:11:28,862 I think the more time Meri spends at the B and B, 211 00:11:28,896 --> 00:11:32,206 for her, it's sort of like her safe and happy place. 212 00:11:32,241 --> 00:11:34,620 I'm like, "Okay, cool, you're moving your business to the B and B." 213 00:11:34,655 --> 00:11:36,793 Okay, sounds like a natural course of action. 214 00:11:37,827 --> 00:11:39,689 So, um, so that's a good thing, right? 215 00:11:39,724 --> 00:11:41,620 I mean, like, you were having a hard time getting help. 216 00:11:42,586 --> 00:11:44,137 Is that why? 217 00:11:44,172 --> 00:11:46,655 Um, no, it's really more just about 218 00:11:46,689 --> 00:11:50,620 that I'm... In the past year since Mom passed, 219 00:11:50,655 --> 00:11:53,206 I am spending a lot of time on the road, 220 00:11:53,241 --> 00:11:56,517 and I'm not able to focus on one or the other 221 00:11:56,551 --> 00:12:00,862 as much as I need to so I need to put them in the same place. 222 00:12:00,896 --> 00:12:03,724 I wonder if I'm supposed to be reading between the lines here. 223 00:12:03,758 --> 00:12:07,379 I can't tell if she's saying, "Hey, I'm gonna move my business to the B and B," 224 00:12:07,413 --> 00:12:10,827 so I go, "No, no, Meri, please don't. Stay here." 225 00:12:10,862 --> 00:12:12,931 'Cause I don't see her that often. 226 00:12:12,965 --> 00:12:14,724 But I'm not trying to act like we're getting back 227 00:12:14,758 --> 00:12:16,379 into this marriage full-fledged. 228 00:12:16,413 --> 00:12:18,413 I'm not trying to do that. 229 00:12:18,448 --> 00:12:21,793 I think I see the writing on the wall. 230 00:12:21,827 --> 00:12:25,241 I'm literally waiting for her to catch up. 231 00:12:25,275 --> 00:12:28,482 Are you gonna leave the clothes on the racks when you move? 232 00:12:28,517 --> 00:12:30,379 -Probably not. -[Kody] Probably not? Okay. 233 00:12:30,413 --> 00:12:32,827 They won't move very well on the racks. 234 00:12:32,862 --> 00:12:34,413 I just know that you've done that before. 235 00:12:34,448 --> 00:12:38,241 -You used to haul them in the trailer on the racks. -[Meri] Mmm-mmm. 236 00:12:38,275 --> 00:12:40,275 The racks wouldn't roll when I wanted to. 237 00:12:40,310 --> 00:12:42,310 -I thought that was a great idea. -Well, I remember having them 238 00:12:42,344 --> 00:12:46,275 in there in that trailer, but it was just a couple of racks. 239 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:50,586 And I remember someone coming up to me at one of your sells, 240 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:52,862 and I was closing the door and she said, 241 00:12:52,896 --> 00:12:54,689 and I grabbed them, I had them in my hand, 242 00:12:54,724 --> 00:12:57,103 she finally goes, "Ah, I'm just gonna buy them." 243 00:12:57,137 --> 00:12:58,931 -It's funny. I don't remember that at all. -It was at Odd Works. 244 00:12:58,965 --> 00:13:01,793 in the Las Vegas. 245 00:13:01,827 --> 00:13:06,172 See? This is why I wonder if there's still something there. 246 00:13:06,206 --> 00:13:10,310 He's talking about something that happened five, six, seven years ago. 247 00:13:10,344 --> 00:13:12,689 I don't know. You just don't remember that stuff 248 00:13:12,724 --> 00:13:15,931 if they're not somebody important in your life. 249 00:13:16,827 --> 00:13:19,137 It freaked me out though. So I was... 250 00:13:20,275 --> 00:13:22,655 I was stressed out about it 'cause I was worried. 251 00:13:22,689 --> 00:13:25,448 -Oh. -We'll just have to make sure that we're... 252 00:13:26,793 --> 00:13:28,724 -Scheduling. -Yep. 253 00:13:32,517 --> 00:13:34,275 He's scowling at you. 254 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:36,068 Schedule... What are you... 255 00:13:36,103 --> 00:13:38,379 In order for us to see each other. 256 00:13:39,965 --> 00:13:40,827 Yeah. 257 00:13:40,862 --> 00:13:42,931 Robyn and Meri are still talking about 258 00:13:42,965 --> 00:13:45,000 this relationship that the three of us have 259 00:13:45,034 --> 00:13:46,689 like we're a family. 260 00:13:46,724 --> 00:13:49,413 And what I'm gathering from what Robyn is saying 261 00:13:49,448 --> 00:13:52,689 is like, "Well, you gotta be around because this is your wife." 262 00:13:53,551 --> 00:13:54,551 And I'm like... 263 00:13:56,206 --> 00:13:58,793 And I just don't need that kind of pressure from you. 264 00:14:01,310 --> 00:14:05,689 [Robyn] You know, there's a lot that's been going down with our family. 265 00:14:05,724 --> 00:14:09,000 And it's been very frustrating to watch. 266 00:14:09,034 --> 00:14:11,310 Uh, it's all of them doing it. 267 00:14:11,344 --> 00:14:14,103 It's Kody with Christine, and Kody with Janelle, 268 00:14:14,137 --> 00:14:18,793 and I have no say and I have no influence whatsoever. 269 00:14:18,827 --> 00:14:23,448 And[sighs] , it's like Meri's here and she's still trying to hang on. 270 00:14:23,482 --> 00:14:26,241 And I just feel like there's so little left. 271 00:14:27,931 --> 00:14:34,931 And I'm like... trying to show her that there's still some hope. 272 00:14:34,965 --> 00:14:37,137 And Kody is not helping me with that. 273 00:14:39,827 --> 00:14:41,000 It's very frustrating. 274 00:14:42,344 --> 00:14:44,413 And some days it feels like a dealbreaker. 275 00:14:48,103 --> 00:14:50,310 [Christine] I'm just telling you guys, I told your mom. 276 00:14:50,344 --> 00:14:51,896 I live in a townhouse. 277 00:14:51,931 --> 00:14:55,448 And my neighbor was... once to get out of his contract early, 278 00:14:55,482 --> 00:14:58,310 so he talked to me, he's like, "You have a big family, Christine, 279 00:14:58,344 --> 00:15:00,103 do you have anybody that might want to move in?" 280 00:15:00,137 --> 00:15:03,310 And I talked to your mom totally about moving in next to me. 281 00:15:03,344 --> 00:15:05,310 Just saying it would be fun. 282 00:15:05,344 --> 00:15:06,758 But she said no. 283 00:15:06,793 --> 00:15:09,827 -She was so-- -[Christine] No. She rejected me, hardcore. 284 00:15:09,862 --> 00:15:11,448 It was like a slam no! 285 00:15:11,482 --> 00:15:14,448 -I don't know if it was that. -[Christine] I'm just saying, I would love it. 286 00:15:14,482 --> 00:15:16,896 If things are as bad as I think they are 287 00:15:16,931 --> 00:15:19,931 between Kody and Janelle, 288 00:15:21,862 --> 00:15:23,724 why start planting your roots? 289 00:15:24,241 --> 00:15:25,517 Why not move on? 290 00:15:27,137 --> 00:15:29,586 I'm not pressuring you kind of to move. 291 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:32,310 -[Janelle] Kind of? -Sort of. Sort of. 292 00:15:32,344 --> 00:15:34,965 No, I know. I mean, it's all on the table at this point. 293 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,896 Okay, because I would really love to be next to Maddie and the babies. 294 00:15:37,931 --> 00:15:39,103 Oh, yes. 295 00:15:39,137 --> 00:15:41,379 So maybe we have a bunch of houses all over the country 296 00:15:41,413 --> 00:15:42,724 -that we just buy together. -[Christine] You know what? 297 00:15:42,758 --> 00:15:45,068 -Why don't we think about that? -[Janelle] Well, seriously. 298 00:15:45,103 --> 00:15:48,689 Property is a lot cheaper in North Carolina than Flagstaff or Utah 299 00:15:48,724 --> 00:15:49,793 to be completely honest. 300 00:15:49,827 --> 00:15:52,068 And so I don't know, we just... 301 00:15:52,103 --> 00:15:55,034 talk about a lot of things but to just get back together again. 302 00:15:55,068 --> 00:15:56,724 I loved our Christmas. 303 00:15:56,758 --> 00:15:58,551 I loved when we got together at the rental. 304 00:15:58,586 --> 00:16:01,000 So for me, is that kind of what you're... 305 00:16:01,034 --> 00:16:02,793 I could host it. I could host Christmas. 306 00:16:02,827 --> 00:16:04,655 Isn't that what you're thinking is that kind of a thing 307 00:16:04,689 --> 00:16:06,551 where we can just all hang out together. 308 00:16:06,586 --> 00:16:09,827 If we want to just make it easy, so we're not trying to figure out rentals 309 00:16:09,862 --> 00:16:11,551 and where everybody's gonna be, 310 00:16:11,586 --> 00:16:14,068 if this is an option, we're gonna do Christmas, 311 00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:16,000 can we do Christmas here? Yes. 312 00:16:16,034 --> 00:16:21,034 A couple days after Christmas, Mykelti, Truely and I went down to Flagstaff, 313 00:16:21,068 --> 00:16:23,655 and we hung out with Janelle and some of her kids 314 00:16:23,689 --> 00:16:25,517 at a house that we rented. 315 00:16:25,551 --> 00:16:28,965 And it was so fun, we tried to do as many traditions as possible. 316 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,827 We had a really great time seeing everybody. 317 00:16:31,862 --> 00:16:34,000 Kody didn't go over to the rental at all 318 00:16:34,034 --> 00:16:36,482 for Christmas. He didn't go over. 319 00:16:36,517 --> 00:16:38,896 He didn't call them on Christmas day. 320 00:16:38,931 --> 00:16:41,689 You guys think from now on it might just be separate things 321 00:16:41,724 --> 00:16:44,172 Thanksgivings and Christmas and not doing it all together? 322 00:16:44,206 --> 00:16:48,241 Christine, wherever you're having Thanksgiving, I want to have Thanksgiving. 323 00:16:48,275 --> 00:16:51,172 I'm not going to get together with everybody for Christmas. 324 00:16:51,206 --> 00:16:53,172 I'll hang out with Janelle and her kids. 325 00:16:53,206 --> 00:16:57,413 But I... I have no plan on... I'm not gonna. No. Mmm-mmm. 326 00:16:57,448 --> 00:17:01,517 Really, truly the holidays are permanently altered at this point. 327 00:17:01,551 --> 00:17:05,344 I do not foresee that Kody and I will probably ever spend a holiday again. 328 00:17:05,378 --> 00:17:07,137 I admit there's a lot of things we could do, but, 329 00:17:07,172 --> 00:17:10,103 yeah, I think we could always plan on doing... 330 00:17:10,137 --> 00:17:12,034 -Doing together. -...some variation of together. 331 00:17:12,068 --> 00:17:15,448 We and Garrison are at odds with my Dad because 332 00:17:15,482 --> 00:17:20,964 when we expressed our discontent with how things were going with COVID, 333 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,205 I was met with, like, just a wall. 334 00:17:24,241 --> 00:17:27,275 Like, and there was no line of dialogue. 335 00:17:27,310 --> 00:17:30,896 Um, I think that that is what really drove the wedge 336 00:17:31,517 --> 00:17:34,724 between... between us. 337 00:17:34,758 --> 00:17:37,517 I would love to celebrate things with you. I loved Christmas. 338 00:17:37,551 --> 00:17:38,965 -[Garrison] Yeah. -So coming back for Christmas, 339 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,551 I think it'd be kind of like that. 340 00:17:40,586 --> 00:17:43,827 Where it would just be like... I'll do... We'll just figure out the holidays. 341 00:17:43,862 --> 00:17:45,517 -[Janelle] It's gonna look different every year. -I want to do that forever. 342 00:17:45,551 --> 00:17:47,344 -Yeah, definitely. -I think it'll look different every year, 343 00:17:47,379 --> 00:17:50,034 -but we'll always do some sort of together. -[Christine] Yeah. 344 00:17:50,068 --> 00:17:53,241 It feels very permanent that things are going to be separate. 345 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:55,172 My kids... 346 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:01,482 My kids are more used to Kody not being in their life. 347 00:18:02,379 --> 00:18:04,172 He just wasn't around as much. 348 00:18:04,206 --> 00:18:05,896 But he has been around Janelle's kids. 349 00:18:05,931 --> 00:18:08,758 I have worried about my boy's mental health. 350 00:18:08,793 --> 00:18:11,034 Gabriel feels everything very, very deeply, 351 00:18:11,068 --> 00:18:13,103 but he's also the kid who doesn't say anything. 352 00:18:13,827 --> 00:18:15,068 And Garrison... 353 00:18:15,965 --> 00:18:17,000 Just seems... 354 00:18:17,758 --> 00:18:19,137 Angrier. Sadder. 355 00:18:19,172 --> 00:18:24,241 Like he's not as happy-go-lucky as he used to be. 356 00:18:24,275 --> 00:18:26,655 [Christine] For them, this is just a lot more devastating 357 00:18:26,689 --> 00:18:28,000 than it has been for my kids. 358 00:18:33,448 --> 00:18:35,551 I don't have a problem saying it. 359 00:18:35,586 --> 00:18:38,896 But I think Kody's gonna have a problem hearing it. 360 00:18:38,931 --> 00:18:42,655 -This does not mean I'm leaving the family or you. -Mmm. 361 00:18:43,344 --> 00:18:44,448 Okay, good on you, Meri. 362 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:47,310 It actually has no effect on me. 363 00:18:47,344 --> 00:18:51,379 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away 364 00:18:51,413 --> 00:18:53,758 because, sorry, I still have hope. 365 00:18:53,793 --> 00:18:57,241 In my head, I'm really wondering why she lives in Flagstaff. 366 00:19:11,862 --> 00:19:14,206 So, are you going to actually... [laughs] 367 00:19:14,241 --> 00:19:16,689 -What? -Address the concern that you have? 368 00:19:16,724 --> 00:19:17,724 What concern? 369 00:19:19,172 --> 00:19:20,448 [sighs] 370 00:19:20,482 --> 00:19:23,620 No, I'm not going to... Why would I address that concern? 371 00:19:23,655 --> 00:19:26,724 Well, no, you wanted to make it, something specifically clear, so... 372 00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:30,448 [sighs] Fine. 373 00:19:30,482 --> 00:19:34,482 I didn't want Robyn to think, or you to think, but, like, really, it's... 374 00:19:35,413 --> 00:19:37,793 -Let's-- -No, just don't. 375 00:19:37,827 --> 00:19:39,758 -Just... -What? 376 00:19:40,965 --> 00:19:43,724 Why are you so weird? 377 00:19:44,448 --> 00:19:46,000 -I'm the weird one? -[laughs] 378 00:19:46,965 --> 00:19:49,586 I'm trying to get Meri to tell Kody that 379 00:19:50,655 --> 00:19:52,965 her moving her business up there 380 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,620 does not mean she's not still committed. 381 00:19:56,655 --> 00:19:58,586 And he needs to know it. 382 00:19:58,620 --> 00:20:02,896 -Just tell him what you want-- -I'm not the one who's finalized anything. 383 00:20:02,931 --> 00:20:04,689 [sighs] 384 00:20:04,724 --> 00:20:07,137 I don't have a problem saying it, but... 385 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,241 I think Kody's gonna have a problem hearing it. 386 00:20:12,068 --> 00:20:13,931 Just [exhales]... Just... 387 00:20:13,965 --> 00:20:17,758 -This does not mean I'm leaving the family or you. -Mmm. 388 00:20:18,586 --> 00:20:21,827 So, it really is purely just 389 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:24,655 a business thing. 390 00:20:25,827 --> 00:20:27,551 Okay, good on you, Meri. 391 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:30,586 It actually has no affect on me. 392 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:33,551 So Lizzie's is all about sort of this 393 00:20:33,586 --> 00:20:35,344 -sort of fun heritage thing -[Meri] Mmm-hmm. 394 00:20:35,379 --> 00:20:37,172 [Kody] You know, family heritage. 395 00:20:37,206 --> 00:20:41,103 And if you're living there and running the business from there, 396 00:20:41,137 --> 00:20:44,172 is there a need to have Lizzie's continue, 397 00:20:44,206 --> 00:20:46,655 or is that more of just like something that's special? 398 00:20:46,689 --> 00:20:47,793 I'm just trying to understand. 399 00:20:49,068 --> 00:20:50,275 I'm gonna say this, 400 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:52,551 and you're gonna download it to your hard drive. 401 00:20:53,275 --> 00:20:54,896 This house is sentimental, 402 00:20:54,931 --> 00:20:56,620 and it doesn't matter what it is. 403 00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:58,241 -I understand. -It's... Do you? 404 00:20:58,275 --> 00:21:01,827 -[chuckles] You keep talking business-like. -I'm... No, no, no, no. 405 00:21:01,862 --> 00:21:03,793 Keeping the house was the important thing. 406 00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:05,517 Having the house was the important thing. 407 00:21:05,551 --> 00:21:07,344 Having the house for the family is the important thing. 408 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,448 I've always known that. 409 00:21:09,482 --> 00:21:11,172 And I didn't agree with her buying it 410 00:21:11,206 --> 00:21:12,655 because it was just sentimental. 411 00:21:12,689 --> 00:21:13,793 But I'm glad she did it 412 00:21:13,827 --> 00:21:16,103 because it gave her a great experience 413 00:21:16,137 --> 00:21:18,068 with her mother's last years. 414 00:21:18,103 --> 00:21:22,068 So I'm not complaining about her B and B. 415 00:21:22,103 --> 00:21:24,379 I'm just questioning what she's doing. 416 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:26,448 What are you doing, Meri? 417 00:21:26,482 --> 00:21:29,793 In my head, I'm really wondering why she lives in Flagstaff. 418 00:21:31,275 --> 00:21:34,758 I think what it is that he is not getting... 419 00:21:36,275 --> 00:21:37,379 It's just you can't say it to him. 420 00:21:37,413 --> 00:21:38,655 [chuckles] I can say it to him. 421 00:21:39,586 --> 00:21:42,551 Um, and hasn't since day one, 422 00:21:42,586 --> 00:21:45,103 is that I didn't buy this house for me to live in. 423 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:47,275 And I didn't buy it for me to move out, 424 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:49,896 and to leave the family, and to leave you, and move up there. 425 00:21:49,931 --> 00:21:51,000 That's not why I bought it. 426 00:21:51,034 --> 00:21:53,310 That never was my intention. 427 00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:55,655 -And you... -I'm not saying that's what you're saying. 428 00:21:55,689 --> 00:21:57,931 I know. But you've always kind of, like, 429 00:21:57,965 --> 00:22:01,275 it has felt to me that that's kind of what you've implied. 430 00:22:01,310 --> 00:22:02,793 I don't think that's what's going on. 431 00:22:02,827 --> 00:22:04,448 [Robyn] So... But why would she have a house, 432 00:22:04,482 --> 00:22:06,068 like, just sitting there empty 433 00:22:06,103 --> 00:22:07,517 if she's not gonna try and rent it as a business? 434 00:22:07,551 --> 00:22:09,068 No, that's not what I'm saying. 435 00:22:09,103 --> 00:22:10,689 -Okay, what are you saying? -I'm not saying you don't live in the house. 436 00:22:10,724 --> 00:22:12,344 -So you're misunderstanding me. -[Meri and Robyn] Okay. 437 00:22:12,379 --> 00:22:14,551 I'm saying move into the house. Use it more. 438 00:22:16,482 --> 00:22:18,413 -You know? -She doesn't want to move into it. 439 00:22:18,448 --> 00:22:19,586 That's the point. 440 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:21,379 [Kody] You're just being forced to move into it. 441 00:22:21,413 --> 00:22:23,758 [Robyn] She's not moving into it. 442 00:22:23,793 --> 00:22:25,379 You're running your business out of it. 443 00:22:25,413 --> 00:22:27,586 Yes, but she's not moving into it. 444 00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:30,344 I'm still getting a house here in Flagstaff. 445 00:22:30,379 --> 00:22:31,724 I'm gonna get a smaller house. 446 00:22:31,758 --> 00:22:34,448 And I'm going to be living here. 447 00:22:34,482 --> 00:22:36,793 Oh, and sometimes people have two homes. 448 00:22:36,827 --> 00:22:38,034 [gasps] Oh, guess what? 449 00:22:38,068 --> 00:22:39,551 So do polygamous men. 450 00:22:40,655 --> 00:22:42,137 They have multiple homes. 451 00:22:42,172 --> 00:22:43,724 And they live in both of them. 452 00:22:44,413 --> 00:22:45,413 Usually. 453 00:22:46,896 --> 00:22:49,103 I'm living in one room while I stay there. 454 00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:51,206 It's still a business. 455 00:22:51,241 --> 00:22:53,068 I understand. 456 00:22:53,103 --> 00:22:55,275 I... Maybe I don't understand. 457 00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:57,034 I mean, I am super confused. 458 00:22:57,068 --> 00:23:02,448 She's taking up a room that's supposed to be there to be let out. 459 00:23:03,137 --> 00:23:04,655 She's not "moving into it," 460 00:23:04,689 --> 00:23:07,206 but her business is gonna be there, both businesses. 461 00:23:08,931 --> 00:23:12,862 And the only reason she has space in Flagstaff 462 00:23:12,896 --> 00:23:17,793 is for a remote relationship with me and Robyn. 463 00:23:17,827 --> 00:23:23,965 Kody's not sure why I would use one of the rooms that we would rent out. 464 00:23:25,034 --> 00:23:26,310 Why does he care? 465 00:23:26,344 --> 00:23:28,724 [chuckles] I mean, he hasn't cared what room I sleep in 466 00:23:28,758 --> 00:23:30,551 for the last, you know, decade. 467 00:23:30,586 --> 00:23:32,689 So I don't know why he'd care now, but, 468 00:23:32,724 --> 00:23:35,034 does he not remember 469 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:39,758 [chuckles] that there was a space that my mom stayed in. 470 00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:42,517 And she's clearly not using it anymore. 471 00:23:42,551 --> 00:23:45,034 So maybe I just use that same space. 472 00:23:45,724 --> 00:23:47,931 Listen, to be honest with you, 473 00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:50,103 I'm, like, gonna break it all down, 474 00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:51,586 like, what do I wanna do with it? 475 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:53,275 I don't know. 476 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:55,586 I don't know. I don't want to live there. 477 00:23:55,620 --> 00:23:57,103 I don't want it to be my house. 478 00:23:57,137 --> 00:23:59,896 -I've said since the second we were kicked out of Utah. -[Robyn] Yeah. 479 00:23:59,931 --> 00:24:01,068 I don't want... 480 00:24:02,137 --> 00:24:05,482 -...to live back in Utah. -Mmm-hmm. 481 00:24:05,517 --> 00:24:09,068 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away 482 00:24:09,103 --> 00:24:12,862 because, sorry, I still have hope, okay? 483 00:24:12,896 --> 00:24:15,172 At this point with the house, with the business, 484 00:24:15,206 --> 00:24:16,793 I have no idea what to do with it. 485 00:24:16,827 --> 00:24:20,689 And it causes me more anxiety than you have any idea. 486 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:22,310 [sighs] 487 00:24:25,758 --> 00:24:28,034 I was really just kind of hoping that he would care 488 00:24:28,068 --> 00:24:29,517 a little bit more. 489 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:31,482 There wasn't really anything specific 490 00:24:31,517 --> 00:24:34,517 that I wanted him to say or do. 491 00:24:34,551 --> 00:24:39,551 I just wanted him to have an air of caring. 492 00:24:39,586 --> 00:24:41,620 And that just was not there. 493 00:24:41,655 --> 00:24:43,862 -[exhales] -She doesn't want it to be, like, her... 494 00:24:44,551 --> 00:24:45,827 She doesn't wanna move there. 495 00:24:45,862 --> 00:24:47,068 Mmm. 496 00:24:47,103 --> 00:24:48,758 It just never was my intention. 497 00:24:48,793 --> 00:24:50,172 It's not what I wanted. 498 00:24:51,103 --> 00:24:53,000 But, like, conversations like this, 499 00:24:53,724 --> 00:24:55,379 basically just tell me... 500 00:24:57,827 --> 00:25:00,758 ..."Go ahead, Meri, and just live your life 501 00:25:00,793 --> 00:25:02,413 on your own like you've been doing 502 00:25:02,448 --> 00:25:04,793 because nothing else is gonna change." 503 00:25:06,103 --> 00:25:07,172 [Kody] What I'm seeing here... 504 00:25:08,517 --> 00:25:11,931 ...is... is Robyn being an advocate 505 00:25:11,965 --> 00:25:15,965 of me, and Meri, and a reconciliation in our marriage. 506 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,965 And they're making me feel very uncomfortable. 507 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,517 I've got one wife that I've got a great relationship with. 508 00:25:23,551 --> 00:25:27,275 And I'm afraid if I abandon these women, 509 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:30,000 that she'll lose respect for me. 510 00:25:36,517 --> 00:25:38,689 I want a build a barndominium out there. 511 00:25:38,724 --> 00:25:40,965 And you could live in that loft. 512 00:25:42,827 --> 00:25:43,827 It's just insulting. 513 00:25:45,482 --> 00:25:47,068 [Kody] I think the writing is on the wall. 514 00:25:47,103 --> 00:25:49,275 It's been obvious to me. 515 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:51,517 It's not really fair to either of us. 516 00:25:51,551 --> 00:25:54,793 But as long as she wants to live in this denial, 517 00:25:55,758 --> 00:25:57,034 I guess I can live in it with her. 518 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:14,241 So, I'm in Flagstaff for Janelle's birthday. 519 00:26:14,275 --> 00:26:18,413 But Maddy told me the other day that Janelle told her 520 00:26:18,448 --> 00:26:21,034 that she's going to go out for her birthday with Kody. 521 00:26:21,068 --> 00:26:23,758 You know, before Kody and I had our big fight, 522 00:26:23,793 --> 00:26:26,000 we had reached a point where we were very... 523 00:26:27,482 --> 00:26:28,517 We weren't connected. 524 00:26:28,551 --> 00:26:30,965 And I was very frustrated with him 525 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,206 that he wasn't making an effort to see Savanah. 526 00:26:33,241 --> 00:26:36,137 But on a very superficial level, 527 00:26:36,172 --> 00:26:37,689 Kody and I can go and hang out, 528 00:26:37,724 --> 00:26:39,517 and we can have, like, a great time 529 00:26:39,551 --> 00:26:43,103 if I just compartmentalize and put away all the other stuff. 530 00:26:43,137 --> 00:26:45,000 So when he called I'm like, "Yeah, hey." 531 00:26:45,034 --> 00:26:47,206 It's better than staying at home and watching TV. 532 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,241 [Christine] I think they're at an interesting place. 533 00:26:51,275 --> 00:26:53,379 A real interesting place in the relationship. 534 00:26:53,413 --> 00:26:56,206 Janelle still loves him, still wants to be with him, as far as I know. 535 00:26:56,896 --> 00:26:58,931 Um, I'm... 536 00:27:01,103 --> 00:27:02,275 I know things are hard. 537 00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:06,551 I don't know if Kody's worked things out with her kids. 538 00:27:06,586 --> 00:27:08,689 And, like, I think that most of her kids 539 00:27:08,724 --> 00:27:10,862 are pretty frustrated with him right now. 540 00:27:10,896 --> 00:27:13,793 At this point, I really don't foresee 541 00:27:13,827 --> 00:27:16,241 Kody and I working our relationship out. 542 00:27:16,275 --> 00:27:18,000 I have to always be open to the possibility 543 00:27:18,034 --> 00:27:20,310 that we will somehow be struck by lightning, 544 00:27:20,344 --> 00:27:22,793 and then it will all be happily ever after. 545 00:27:22,827 --> 00:27:25,000 But I'm also a realist. 546 00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:27,344 And I know that it doesn't look good. 547 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:29,379 I told Maddie, I'm like, "Look, 548 00:27:29,413 --> 00:27:31,137 your mom just needs to be happy. 549 00:27:31,172 --> 00:27:33,655 Just whatever can make your mom happy, 550 00:27:33,689 --> 00:27:34,965 that's what I'm gonna support her doing. 551 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,689 If she wants to stay, I'm gonna totally 552 00:27:37,724 --> 00:27:39,206 support her staying in Flagstaff. 553 00:27:39,241 --> 00:27:40,827 I'll support her staying with Kody, 554 00:27:40,862 --> 00:27:42,965 or whatever she wants to do, 555 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,655 I'm going to support it, no problem." 556 00:27:44,689 --> 00:27:48,655 You know, I really just hope we have this easy, nice time. 557 00:27:49,241 --> 00:27:51,482 Our last interaction was 558 00:27:51,517 --> 00:27:53,068 the worst fight we've probably had. 559 00:27:53,103 --> 00:27:55,724 -You stay and talk. -Uh, no. 560 00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:58,586 I'm not going to because you're not listening! 561 00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:01,034 -You're not listening to me. -And I'm not going to. 562 00:28:01,068 --> 00:28:02,586 -[Janelle] Okay, so we're done? -Goodbye. 563 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:03,586 [bleep] you! 564 00:28:05,413 --> 00:28:06,448 I don't want any fighting. 565 00:28:06,482 --> 00:28:08,448 I just wanna be easy, and have fun, 566 00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:09,551 and celebrate the day. 567 00:28:22,137 --> 00:28:23,724 [Kody] Meri doesn't know what she wants. 568 00:28:24,517 --> 00:28:25,827 But she's asking me 569 00:28:26,551 --> 00:28:28,172 and telling me stuff. 570 00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:30,275 I'm just gonna throw out ideas. 571 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:32,655 And the reason is is 'cause she doesn't know what she wants. 572 00:28:33,517 --> 00:28:34,965 I don't know what she wants. 573 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,241 And I've been guessing for 33 years what she wants. 574 00:28:38,275 --> 00:28:39,275 Guessing. 575 00:28:39,896 --> 00:28:41,344 'Cause she never knows. 576 00:28:41,379 --> 00:28:43,103 Meri, do you have 577 00:28:44,068 --> 00:28:48,620 any ability to, like, do something 578 00:28:48,655 --> 00:28:51,310 crazy with Coyote Pass really fast? 579 00:28:51,344 --> 00:28:54,206 Build a small house. Build a casita like Janelle's talking about. 580 00:28:54,241 --> 00:28:55,724 -Just build something fast. -Kody, we can't do that. 581 00:28:55,758 --> 00:28:58,103 From what I have understood you to say, 582 00:28:58,137 --> 00:29:00,413 we can't do anything until we build, 583 00:29:00,448 --> 00:29:01,758 till we divide the property. 584 00:29:01,793 --> 00:29:04,000 My point isn't to do it right now. 585 00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:05,965 I'm like, let's... let's get it paid for. 586 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,034 And once we've got it paid for, 587 00:29:07,068 --> 00:29:08,586 we divide it and you build on it. 588 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:10,620 Okay. I don't know if you know where Janelle's at. 589 00:29:10,655 --> 00:29:12,172 She's kind of moved this idea. 590 00:29:12,206 --> 00:29:14,000 We move the trailer off. 591 00:29:14,034 --> 00:29:15,344 She wanted to spend the winter there. 592 00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:17,275 -Now she's got an apartment. -Yeah. 593 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:20,206 -I mean, so you wouldn't wanna live out there in an RV... -[Janelle] Yeah. 594 00:29:20,241 --> 00:29:21,482 ...while they're building your house, 595 00:29:21,517 --> 00:29:23,000 or anything like that, would you by chance? 596 00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:24,862 And I'm not pushing that. 597 00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:26,275 Oh, hell no. 598 00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:28,793 There's no way I'm gonna go live in an RV. 599 00:29:28,827 --> 00:29:31,206 It was very hard living on Coyote Pass. 600 00:29:31,241 --> 00:29:34,517 Even though it was beautiful in the RV, it sucked. 601 00:29:34,551 --> 00:29:36,379 But she had dogs. 602 00:29:37,068 --> 00:29:38,586 It's a different environment. 603 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:40,551 Uh, three and two dogs versus one. 604 00:29:40,586 --> 00:29:41,689 You know what I'm saying? 605 00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:45,137 "Hey, Meri, why don't you do this, you know, 606 00:29:45,172 --> 00:29:47,827 'cause it'll be easier to live in an RV 607 00:29:47,862 --> 00:29:51,137 with just you all alone, 608 00:29:51,172 --> 00:29:52,482 just one person." 609 00:29:53,482 --> 00:29:55,724 This is why I see hope. 610 00:29:55,758 --> 00:29:59,620 Because Meri is still part of Kody's big picture. 611 00:29:59,655 --> 00:30:01,896 That's why he says thing like, 612 00:30:01,931 --> 00:30:04,206 "Why don't you hurry and build a house on the property?" 613 00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:07,551 'Cause she's still a part of his future. 614 00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,137 I have an idea 615 00:30:10,172 --> 00:30:12,448 that might be really functional, I don't know. 616 00:30:12,482 --> 00:30:13,862 Do you guys wanna hear it? 617 00:30:13,896 --> 00:30:15,137 Sure, go for it. 618 00:30:15,724 --> 00:30:17,448 But it wouldn't be... 619 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:18,931 -I don't know if it's very functional. -My hand. 620 00:30:18,965 --> 00:30:22,068 -[laughing] -No, I want to build a barndominium out there. 621 00:30:22,103 --> 00:30:24,827 I want a place to put my car 622 00:30:24,862 --> 00:30:27,068 that I don't drive, except for in the summer. 623 00:30:27,103 --> 00:30:29,137 I want a place to put my stuff. 624 00:30:30,655 --> 00:30:35,965 Yeah, the barndominium is basically a big giant garage or a barn 625 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,241 that has a loft apartment in it. 626 00:30:38,275 --> 00:30:41,137 You know, so it's like a condominium but it's a barn. 627 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:44,034 -A metal building that goes up fast. -[Janelle] Mmm-hmm. 628 00:30:44,068 --> 00:30:47,000 -Lickety-split. -And you can do whatever you want on the inside. 629 00:30:47,034 --> 00:30:49,379 -Well, technically. -Can't you? 630 00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:50,724 But I would get a permit for it. 631 00:30:50,758 --> 00:30:51,827 I'd show 'em the design. 632 00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:54,275 I'd get a permit for the loft I'd put in it. 633 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:56,586 And you could live in that loft. 634 00:30:57,896 --> 00:31:00,103 I mean, it'll have, you know, like, a shower, fridge. 635 00:31:00,137 --> 00:31:04,034 You know, like, normal. Like, it'd be about this big. 636 00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:08,482 So, basically, he just wants to put me out there with all the stuff, 637 00:31:08,517 --> 00:31:10,620 the extra stuff that he doesn't wanna see, 638 00:31:10,655 --> 00:31:14,137 he doesn't wanna deal with, he doesn't have room for. 639 00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:17,172 The cars, the storage, the Meri. 640 00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:21,482 Haven't figured it out. I just had the idea 'cause I'm tired of... 641 00:31:21,517 --> 00:31:25,068 We're just overwhelmed with stuff. 642 00:31:25,103 --> 00:31:28,068 Uh, Janelle moved into the RV, and then Christine left, 643 00:31:28,103 --> 00:31:31,344 and... and there was so much stuff that needed to go to storage. 644 00:31:31,379 --> 00:31:33,137 It's just overwhelming. 645 00:31:33,172 --> 00:31:35,379 You know, I get that he think he's, like... 646 00:31:36,931 --> 00:31:39,000 ...amazing, and gracious, and brilliant. 647 00:31:39,827 --> 00:31:40,827 It's just insulting. 648 00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:43,965 You know what? It would just make more sense 649 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,103 to just have a house that is just smaller. 650 00:31:48,137 --> 00:31:52,034 And also, I just don't really wanna live long-term indefinitely in a RV. 651 00:31:52,068 --> 00:31:54,793 I don't think that that is something I would want. 652 00:31:54,827 --> 00:31:57,551 [Kody] There... There are no good answers here, I don't think. 653 00:31:57,586 --> 00:32:00,586 Not in the view of where we're at. 654 00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:04,137 And I think part of the confusion is for me and Meri. 655 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,482 Where are me and Meri at? 656 00:32:06,517 --> 00:32:08,000 I think the writing is on the wall. 657 00:32:08,034 --> 00:32:10,724 It's been obvious to me. 658 00:32:10,758 --> 00:32:13,172 When I try to go into that discussion with Meri, 659 00:32:13,206 --> 00:32:15,103 I get so much resistance. 660 00:32:15,137 --> 00:32:17,344 It's not really fair to either of us. 661 00:32:17,379 --> 00:32:19,137 But as long as she wants to live in this... 662 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:22,275 ...denial, 663 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:23,689 I guess I can live in it with her. 664 00:32:25,482 --> 00:32:27,793 So I think you're making a good move. 665 00:32:27,827 --> 00:32:29,413 I'm not worried about you. 666 00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:32,620 I'm not, like, going, "Oh, you're leaving. No, don't." 667 00:32:32,655 --> 00:32:34,793 'Cause I don't think you are, so don't worry. 668 00:32:37,137 --> 00:32:39,344 [Meri] I went into this conversation 669 00:32:39,379 --> 00:32:41,379 just kind of knowing that he wasn't really gonna... 670 00:32:43,827 --> 00:32:45,206 ...give a flying rat's ass. 671 00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:49,965 And so, yeah, he's saying that he's not 672 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,931 concerned about me leaving. 673 00:32:54,241 --> 00:32:55,206 'Cause he's not... 674 00:32:56,275 --> 00:33:00,586 ...concerned at all, about anything about me. 675 00:33:04,551 --> 00:33:07,344 -Well... -Well, thanks for letting me know. 676 00:33:07,379 --> 00:33:08,586 Yep. 677 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:13,034 [Robyn] She can really be in this, like, dark place. 678 00:33:13,068 --> 00:33:15,931 And she'll go like, "Why am I trying?" 679 00:33:15,965 --> 00:33:19,517 I said, "Meri, if you don't wanna try anymore, 680 00:33:19,551 --> 00:33:23,517 then, like, I... I want you to be happy. 681 00:33:23,551 --> 00:33:26,068 And if this is, like, you don't wanna do this anymore, 682 00:33:26,103 --> 00:33:28,241 and you don't see that there's any hope," 683 00:33:28,275 --> 00:33:33,103 then, like... I start, I went, "I don't wanna be selfish and keep you here." 684 00:33:33,137 --> 00:33:36,137 And she said, "Don't ever say that to me again." 685 00:33:37,172 --> 00:33:39,482 And she's, "I need you 686 00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:41,206 to always tell me there's hope." 687 00:33:42,862 --> 00:33:43,862 [sniffles] 688 00:33:47,206 --> 00:33:49,448 She says, "I need you to always... 689 00:33:50,655 --> 00:33:53,275 ...be fighting for our relationship. 690 00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:57,413 Because there's days when I am too weak to continue to fight. 691 00:33:57,448 --> 00:34:00,620 I need someone else to fight." 692 00:34:01,379 --> 00:34:02,379 And I said, "Okay." 693 00:34:07,517 --> 00:34:11,516 [Meri] I wish that he saw some value in me. And he doesn't. 694 00:34:11,551 --> 00:34:13,344 He wants to put me in the loft of his... 695 00:34:14,585 --> 00:34:16,620 ...freakin' barndominium." 696 00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:17,655 [chuckles] 697 00:34:18,482 --> 00:34:19,620 You know. [chuckles] 698 00:34:26,137 --> 00:34:29,447 It's been almost six months since Janelle and I had our fight. 699 00:34:29,482 --> 00:34:33,206 Neither of us are making great strides or declarations of 700 00:34:33,241 --> 00:34:36,172 "I want this to work out," or "I found a counsellor." 701 00:34:36,206 --> 00:34:38,447 If... If there is anything here, I don't know. 702 00:34:38,482 --> 00:34:41,516 Like, it's starting over, right? It's redefining. 703 00:34:41,551 --> 00:34:44,310 I kinda feel like a guy on a first date that's like jonesing. 704 00:34:44,344 --> 00:34:46,344 You know, like, "Hey, [chuckles] 705 00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:47,827 are we gonna kiss after this date?" 706 00:35:08,103 --> 00:35:09,620 Today's Janelle's birthday. 707 00:35:10,896 --> 00:35:15,275 And, uh, we are going to go out on a date. 708 00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:18,482 I literally have dinner reservations at the nicest restaurant, 709 00:35:18,517 --> 00:35:20,896 I think, in all of Arizona. 710 00:35:20,931 --> 00:35:22,413 But it's a secret. 711 00:35:22,448 --> 00:35:25,103 I'm not telling Janelle where we're going. We're just going. 712 00:35:25,137 --> 00:35:26,103 [chuckles] 713 00:35:26,931 --> 00:35:29,379 How we got here, I have no idea. 714 00:35:30,034 --> 00:35:31,551 But we're basically... 715 00:35:33,034 --> 00:35:35,034 ...trying to start over. 716 00:35:35,068 --> 00:35:38,482 It's been almost six months since Janelle and I had our fight. 717 00:35:38,517 --> 00:35:41,310 Then four months ago, her and I sat down to dinner, 718 00:35:41,344 --> 00:35:43,448 and she just said, "I want a separation." 719 00:35:45,172 --> 00:35:46,206 So we're gonna go out. 720 00:35:48,793 --> 00:35:52,310 See, you know, kind of, like, investigate ourselves. 721 00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:55,206 You know, let's see how we can get along. 722 00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:56,620 Let's see how we're doing. 723 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,068 Here's the thing. 724 00:35:58,103 --> 00:36:01,689 We're obviously in different places, okay? 725 00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:05,862 And we have different points of view in the relationship. 726 00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:07,862 But she's talking about not reconciling it. 727 00:36:07,896 --> 00:36:10,068 I don't know why we can't. 728 00:36:10,103 --> 00:36:14,379 Which means, I'm clueless to what the real problem is. 729 00:36:14,413 --> 00:36:16,241 So it's complicated. 730 00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:19,655 It's a weird place to be when you're getting a divorce 731 00:36:19,689 --> 00:36:24,000 while you're still sleeping with your wife and lover... [chuckling] 732 00:36:24,655 --> 00:36:26,931 in... in a relationship. 733 00:36:26,965 --> 00:36:29,862 And so in this case, with Janelle, 734 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,827 I see potential for us to manage it 735 00:36:32,862 --> 00:36:34,827 and to keep that relationship. 736 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:39,482 But I do struggle wondering how, you know, we do have to unwind the past 737 00:36:39,517 --> 00:36:43,482 and then figure out what our relationship is now and how to do that. 738 00:36:43,517 --> 00:36:45,758 So we'll see how all this plays out. 739 00:36:45,793 --> 00:36:48,275 But it's date night, and we're gonna see how this goes. 740 00:36:50,965 --> 00:36:54,482 Neither of us are making great strides or declarations of, 741 00:36:54,517 --> 00:36:56,965 "I want this to work out, or "I found a counsellor." 742 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,862 We're just kind of in this place 743 00:36:58,896 --> 00:37:02,965 where there's no connection anymore. 744 00:37:03,793 --> 00:37:05,172 But I still enjoy his company. 745 00:37:05,862 --> 00:37:07,758 So this date, to me, 746 00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:09,379 it's just a fun time to go hang out 747 00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:10,793 and do something for my birthday, 748 00:37:10,827 --> 00:37:12,379 mark the occasion. 749 00:37:12,413 --> 00:37:14,724 We're not gonna discuss deep things. 750 00:37:14,758 --> 00:37:16,655 I just... I just wanna go out easy, 751 00:37:16,689 --> 00:37:17,896 almost like it's a date. 752 00:37:17,931 --> 00:37:20,413 Just a first date, second date, third date, something. 753 00:37:20,448 --> 00:37:21,517 I don't know, you know? 754 00:37:22,724 --> 00:37:23,724 All right. 755 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:31,034 -So happy birthday. -Thanks. 756 00:37:37,241 --> 00:37:38,620 I think we're gonna have to, like... 757 00:37:41,206 --> 00:37:43,724 -...figure out, um... -What? 758 00:37:45,413 --> 00:37:47,586 -I mean, are you excited about your birthday? -Yes. 759 00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:50,793 You know what? It's so weird 'cause it's awkwardly familiar. 760 00:37:50,827 --> 00:37:53,620 Like, it's a little bit awkward 'cause of everything that's happened, but, 761 00:37:53,655 --> 00:37:57,413 this is familiar, we've been together almost 30 years. 762 00:37:57,448 --> 00:38:00,586 So if you wanted to go out for your birthday... 763 00:38:00,620 --> 00:38:03,068 -Mmm-hmm. -...and wanted to go the nicest restaurant 764 00:38:03,103 --> 00:38:04,482 in all of Arizona... 765 00:38:06,724 --> 00:38:08,517 It would be, like Mariposa or something. 766 00:38:08,551 --> 00:38:10,034 It would be Mariposa, wouldn't it? 767 00:38:10,068 --> 00:38:11,586 -[laughs] Did you really... -Yeah. 768 00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:13,758 -...get a reservation at Mariposa? -Yeah, I did. 769 00:38:13,793 --> 00:38:15,103 Honey, thank you. 770 00:38:15,137 --> 00:38:17,862 -Wow! Wow. -Yeah. 771 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:20,379 It's actually really fun. It's a very nice gesture 772 00:38:20,413 --> 00:38:23,896 that he somehow got a reservation at this place. 773 00:38:23,931 --> 00:38:27,827 -Wow. You did it. -Yeah, I get stuff done. [laughing] 774 00:38:27,862 --> 00:38:29,586 I'm... I've wanted to go there forever 775 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:30,758 'cause we always would make plans, 776 00:38:30,793 --> 00:38:32,724 -and we always had to cancel them or something. -Oh. 777 00:38:32,758 --> 00:38:35,413 -Yeah. It's, like, it's the hardest... -Yeah. 778 00:38:35,448 --> 00:38:38,413 -...restaurant in all of Arizona to get into. -Oh, thanks. 779 00:38:38,448 --> 00:38:41,379 She... She can't get a reservation there. 780 00:38:41,413 --> 00:38:42,896 And I've got one. 781 00:38:42,931 --> 00:38:46,586 [laughs] And so, I feel like the magic man again. You know what I mean? 782 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,241 Good. We'll have just a fun, easy evening, right? 783 00:38:49,275 --> 00:38:50,310 I think I just want fun and easy. 784 00:38:50,344 --> 00:38:51,379 That's why I wanted to dress nice 785 00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:53,068 'cause I don't like going to that place 786 00:38:53,103 --> 00:38:57,482 -unless I'm in slacks. So... -[chuckles] Yeah, fun, easy evening. I like it. 787 00:38:57,517 --> 00:39:00,172 I kind of feel like a guy on a first date that's like jonesing. 788 00:39:00,206 --> 00:39:02,275 You know, like, "Hey... [chuckles] 789 00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:03,827 ...are we gonna kiss after this date? 790 00:39:03,862 --> 00:39:05,931 Let's just be easy. 791 00:39:05,965 --> 00:39:09,310 Like, I thought about when I was, like, growing up, 792 00:39:09,344 --> 00:39:11,655 they always had those... those, like, when you're a teenager, 793 00:39:11,689 --> 00:39:14,413 they always had those question books 794 00:39:14,448 --> 00:39:16,000 that you talk about on your first date. 795 00:39:17,034 --> 00:39:18,448 -Oh. -[both laughing] 796 00:39:18,482 --> 00:39:20,448 You wanna get a first date question book. 797 00:39:20,482 --> 00:39:23,000 -That's fun. -I don't know. I feel like we're sort of... 798 00:39:23,034 --> 00:39:25,275 If... If there is anything here, I don't know. 799 00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:27,620 Like, it's starting over, right? It's redefining. 800 00:39:27,655 --> 00:39:28,655 Sure. 801 00:39:29,206 --> 00:39:30,172 Yeah. 802 00:39:32,206 --> 00:39:35,655 I made all this effort to get to Mariposa and dress nice, 803 00:39:35,689 --> 00:39:37,379 specifically because I was looking for a... 804 00:39:39,517 --> 00:39:42,137 ...an edge into reconciliation. 805 00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,827 And there's a block. Now I... you know? 806 00:39:44,862 --> 00:39:46,758 There's another block. Uh... 807 00:39:46,793 --> 00:39:48,482 And I'm just bringing me down a notch. 808 00:39:48,517 --> 00:39:50,103 Bringing me down a notch. 809 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:51,379 Bringing me down a notch. 810 00:39:52,103 --> 00:39:53,068 Yeah. 811 00:39:55,413 --> 00:39:59,413 I mean, I just don't think there's much path forward for Kody and I. 812 00:39:59,448 --> 00:40:01,517 Uh, we just are different people now. 813 00:40:01,551 --> 00:40:02,827 He thinks differently. 814 00:40:02,862 --> 00:40:04,655 He's very, very wrapped up 815 00:40:04,689 --> 00:40:06,931 with the children at Robyn's house. 816 00:40:06,965 --> 00:40:09,103 Robyn and he think a lot alike. 817 00:40:09,137 --> 00:40:11,000 They wanna live the same kind of life. 818 00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:14,206 And I'm really looking for a relationship where I'm equally considered. 819 00:40:15,793 --> 00:40:17,172 There. I feel, like... 820 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,034 -[chuckles] Feel like that was plenty. -I feel like that kinda... 821 00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:20,275 Yeah, I feel like... I don't wanna... 822 00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:22,206 I don't wanna ruin it so much by having... 823 00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:25,241 ...this, like, the pressure of the camera. 824 00:40:25,275 --> 00:40:26,931 You know what I mean? So... 825 00:40:26,965 --> 00:40:29,034 We did turn the cameras off after a little bit 826 00:40:29,068 --> 00:40:32,275 just because they can be somewhat... 827 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:35,827 ...intrusive, and I just wanted to relax and have fun for my birthday. 828 00:40:39,862 --> 00:40:41,241 You know what? I mean, the day was nice. 829 00:40:41,275 --> 00:40:42,655 We... We like to go to Sedona. 830 00:40:42,689 --> 00:40:44,620 We like to look at the art galleries. 831 00:40:44,655 --> 00:40:48,206 The meal was beautiful. The scenery was amazing. 832 00:40:48,241 --> 00:40:50,379 And then we came home. And it was great. 833 00:40:54,068 --> 00:40:56,620 At one point, I slipped my hand into his out of habit. 834 00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,586 And I thought, "This feels really weird." 835 00:40:58,620 --> 00:41:00,620 And I... I took my hand back out of his hand. 836 00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:03,310 It just didn't... I... It just didn't feel right anymore. 837 00:41:07,827 --> 00:41:09,275 [Kody] I don't know why we can't reconcile. 838 00:41:11,448 --> 00:41:12,448 So we had a bad fight. 839 00:41:12,482 --> 00:41:13,655 We've had worse. 840 00:41:14,758 --> 00:41:17,103 So we're separated. 841 00:41:17,137 --> 00:41:19,103 We've had other separations. 842 00:41:22,724 --> 00:41:24,758 [Janelle] You know, there just isn't anything there anymore. 843 00:41:24,793 --> 00:41:26,827 There... There just isn't. 844 00:41:26,862 --> 00:41:29,310 Our relationship has been unraveling for years. 845 00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:32,655 [Kody] I've been in love with her before. 846 00:41:34,068 --> 00:41:37,034 So I can be in love with her again. 847 00:41:39,551 --> 00:41:43,379 I just feel like we need to reestablish trust. 848 00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:47,344 I want to feel like I am a person to her, 849 00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:48,896 not an object. 850 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,379 Next time onSister Wives. 851 00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:56,724 We weren't targeting her. 852 00:41:56,758 --> 00:41:58,758 We were all trying to have these options open 853 00:41:58,793 --> 00:42:00,620 so that we could all do this Christmas exchange 854 00:42:00,655 --> 00:42:02,586 because we've been doing it for 20 years. 855 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:05,310 She was, like, testing us, how we don't respect Tru's mother. 856 00:42:05,344 --> 00:42:07,275 You know what, Robyn, have him. 857 00:42:07,862 --> 00:42:09,448 We're all grown adults 858 00:42:09,482 --> 00:42:12,137 that don't need a father figure anymore. 859 00:42:12,172 --> 00:42:14,241 I would like to say that I didn't care. 860 00:42:14,275 --> 00:42:16,206 -But it still hurts. -[Paedon] Yeah. 861 00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:18,724 Did I hurt them in living plural marriage? 862 00:42:19,344 --> 00:42:21,379 Avalon. 863 00:42:21,413 --> 00:42:23,862 I missed all the struggles we're having as a family. 864 00:42:23,896 --> 00:42:26,862 I love that Mykelti is still warm to us. 865 00:42:26,896 --> 00:42:28,689 -[laughing] -Thank you for coming, everybody. 866 00:42:28,724 --> 00:42:31,896 It's my ex-anniversary. [vocalizes excitedly] 867 00:42:31,931 --> 00:42:33,551 First, I love hanging out with these ladies. 868 00:42:33,586 --> 00:42:35,965 I think Janelle could use as much friendship as possible.