1 00:00:01,379 --> 00:00:02,896 [man] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,896 --> 00:00:05,482 -So, happy birthday. -Thanks. 3 00:00:05,551 --> 00:00:08,793 You know what, it's so weird 'cause it's awkwardly familiar. 4 00:00:08,862 --> 00:00:11,000 You wanna get a first date question book. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,482 -But that's fun. -I don't know. 6 00:00:12,551 --> 00:00:16,000 I think we're like, sort of, if there is anything here, I don't know. 7 00:00:16,033 --> 00:00:18,379 Like, it's starting over, right, it's redefining. 8 00:00:18,379 --> 00:00:22,000 I mean, I just don't think there's much path forward for Kody and I. 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,689 And I'm really looking for a relationship where I'm equally considered. 10 00:00:25,689 --> 00:00:29,103 When we get together for Christmas, I'm like, 89% sure 11 00:00:29,103 --> 00:00:31,689 that there's gonna be a fight about all the Covid [bleep] that's been going on. 12 00:00:31,689 --> 00:00:33,793 -And that is Covid. -No, that's a phone call. 13 00:00:33,793 --> 00:00:35,586 You call every one of your siblings, 14 00:00:35,655 --> 00:00:37,379 you get all that griping out of your system. 15 00:00:37,448 --> 00:00:39,172 They wanna pick a fight with everybody. 16 00:00:39,172 --> 00:00:42,000 -We were blaming Robyn. -You were literally blaming Robyn for this 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,586 because we thought Robyn was in your ear telling you to stay away from everyone. 18 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:45,896 'Cause she's an obedient wife. 19 00:00:45,896 --> 00:00:49,103 We're just trying to operate as a family here. 20 00:00:49,103 --> 00:00:53,379 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away because... 21 00:00:53,448 --> 00:00:56,482 Sorry, I still have hope, okay? 22 00:00:56,551 --> 00:01:00,379 Conversations like this basically just tell me, 23 00:01:00,379 --> 00:01:03,000 go ahead, Meri, and just live your life 24 00:01:03,034 --> 00:01:05,343 because nothing else is gonna change. 25 00:01:34,482 --> 00:01:38,482 I'm in town. I'm in Flagstaff this week. 26 00:01:38,551 --> 00:01:41,068 I'm cooking a meal for Garrison and Gabe, 27 00:01:41,137 --> 00:01:42,896 and Janelle and Savanah, and Gwendlyn. 28 00:01:42,965 --> 00:01:44,378 I get to cook in Garrison's kitchen. 29 00:01:44,448 --> 00:01:47,172 Garrison bought a new house, I'm taking over the kitchen. 30 00:01:47,241 --> 00:01:48,896 Oh, I'm so excited to cook for them again. 31 00:01:48,896 --> 00:01:51,000 Yeah, I don't have anything in this house, so. 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,896 -Nice. -I have the house, but nothing else. 33 00:01:52,965 --> 00:01:54,275 Well, I did some shopping for you. 34 00:01:54,344 --> 00:01:56,586 -Food, salad bar. -Cool. 35 00:01:56,655 --> 00:01:58,896 And then Gwendlyn and Gabe are coming over later, 36 00:01:58,896 --> 00:02:00,172 but Truely is not coming over. 37 00:02:00,172 --> 00:02:05,068 I wanted to create a space for them to just talk, 38 00:02:05,068 --> 00:02:08,240 allow them space to talk about their frustrations. 39 00:02:09,793 --> 00:02:10,793 Hello? 40 00:02:10,862 --> 00:02:12,103 -Hey. -Hi. 41 00:02:12,103 --> 00:02:14,275 -Where are you? -How's it going? 42 00:02:14,344 --> 00:02:16,172 Did you guys bring the key lime pie? 43 00:02:16,172 --> 00:02:19,586 -I have to go get it. -This is my nutrition plan 44 00:02:19,655 --> 00:02:21,034 -friendly key lime and pie. -Okay. 45 00:02:22,172 --> 00:02:24,000 So this is all salad bar. 46 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,068 So the vision is this is the table cloth. 47 00:02:26,068 --> 00:02:29,793 It's just all salad bar stuff and then I got a bunch of 48 00:02:29,793 --> 00:02:31,172 cute little white bowls. 49 00:02:31,172 --> 00:02:33,586 We're just gonna, it's gonna be the easiest thing ever. 50 00:02:33,586 --> 00:02:35,793 -There are a lot of dishes. -For once. 51 00:02:35,862 --> 00:02:37,482 I moved away six months ago, 52 00:02:37,551 --> 00:02:40,482 and there's been a lot that's happened in those six months 53 00:02:40,482 --> 00:02:42,172 with Cody and Robyn, and the kids. 54 00:02:42,172 --> 00:02:45,000 When I saw Janelle's boys at Christmas, 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,482 and Savanah too, 56 00:02:46,482 --> 00:02:49,379 um, they were just really, really sad. 57 00:02:49,448 --> 00:02:52,586 I've been out of it, you know, out of their life since I moved. 58 00:02:52,586 --> 00:02:54,379 You know, Christmas was really difficult. 59 00:02:54,448 --> 00:02:56,067 So I just hope something's changed. 60 00:02:57,620 --> 00:02:59,000 You doing all right with school? 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,793 Yeah. Yeah. 62 00:03:00,862 --> 00:03:01,896 Did you put the alphabet letters 63 00:03:01,896 --> 00:03:03,482 -on the fridge today? Okay. -Yeah. 64 00:03:03,482 --> 00:03:06,000 Oh, gosh, Savanah is the cutest little pre-schooler, 65 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,482 kindergarten. Oh, my gosh. 66 00:03:07,482 --> 00:03:09,172 I used to take her to kindergarten everyday. 67 00:03:09,172 --> 00:03:10,655 She let me do her hair. 68 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:13,000 Very cool. 69 00:03:13,034 --> 00:03:15,275 She was so cute every single day. 70 00:03:15,275 --> 00:03:16,655 Gosh, she's so cute. 71 00:03:17,482 --> 00:03:20,379 I like that. Do you see Breanna at school? 72 00:03:20,379 --> 00:03:21,896 -Yeah. -Okay, cool. 73 00:03:21,896 --> 00:03:26,586 I run into her every day after our study hall though 'cause she has, 74 00:03:26,655 --> 00:03:29,793 um, my teacher that I have for my third hour. 75 00:03:30,724 --> 00:03:32,275 Aurora and Breanna are Robyn's girls. 76 00:03:32,275 --> 00:03:35,793 They've known Savanah, well, they've all been siblings for 12 years. 77 00:03:35,862 --> 00:03:39,172 Then Savanah and Breanna are just really close in age 78 00:03:39,172 --> 00:03:41,000 and they go to school together. 79 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,103 Aurora's a little bit older. She's closer to Gwendlyn and Gabe's age. 80 00:03:45,103 --> 00:03:46,689 Do you guys hang out together since you see each other? 81 00:03:46,689 --> 00:03:47,965 No. I don't talk to her. 82 00:03:48,827 --> 00:03:50,689 -Oh. -Yeah. 83 00:03:50,689 --> 00:03:52,586 Okay, I didn't know that. 84 00:03:52,586 --> 00:03:55,067 -We just kinda ignore each other. -What? 85 00:03:56,103 --> 00:03:57,896 That's... that's crazy. 86 00:03:57,896 --> 00:04:00,275 Um, me and Savanah, 87 00:04:00,275 --> 00:04:03,689 you know, we're decent to each other. 88 00:04:03,689 --> 00:04:07,793 It wasn't like super great and close because 89 00:04:07,793 --> 00:04:11,586 during Covid, um, people had different opinions about the rules. 90 00:04:11,586 --> 00:04:14,275 So we just didn't know what to do with each other. 91 00:04:14,275 --> 00:04:16,481 So we kind of kept our distance. 92 00:04:16,481 --> 00:04:18,757 I kinda just feel 93 00:04:19,379 --> 00:04:21,964 shocked and confused 94 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 and, like, she doesn't care. 95 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,586 I don't know what the right word is. It kinda just 96 00:04:29,586 --> 00:04:31,448 broke my heart a little... 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,172 because, you know, I grew up with her. 98 00:04:37,275 --> 00:04:39,172 [sobbing] Grew up with all of them. 99 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:42,758 [crying] Sorry. 100 00:04:43,724 --> 00:04:46,275 Can we cut? I don't wanna cry. 101 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,448 [sniffles] 102 00:04:52,482 --> 00:04:55,034 [Meri] Savanah and Breanna have no relationship. 103 00:04:55,793 --> 00:04:58,586 They sort of say hi. 104 00:04:58,655 --> 00:05:00,275 No. No, they don't even do that. 105 00:05:00,275 --> 00:05:02,172 They ignore each other in the halls. 106 00:05:02,241 --> 00:05:03,172 No, I had no idea. 107 00:05:04,172 --> 00:05:05,586 I don't even know what to say to that. 108 00:05:05,586 --> 00:05:08,068 I just don't know what to say except that it's heart breaking. 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,068 -So, for-- -No, it's just been recent. 110 00:05:11,137 --> 00:05:13,000 The relationship with your sister's weird, right? 111 00:05:13,034 --> 00:05:14,206 That's just recent. 112 00:05:14,206 --> 00:05:16,172 Or is that always? Have you always had a hard time? 113 00:05:16,172 --> 00:05:17,586 I always had a hard time with my siblings. 114 00:05:17,586 --> 00:05:20,275 -Okay, right. -With my siblings, my age at least. 115 00:05:20,275 --> 00:05:23,068 -Okay. -Well, a lot of 'em, the relationship changes 116 00:05:23,068 --> 00:05:26,172 when I get older, but Robyn's kids have always been, 117 00:05:26,172 --> 00:05:31,000 um, not as close as your kids were. 118 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,137 I didn't know that. 119 00:05:37,068 --> 00:05:39,172 You saw Dad today. You spend some time with him? 120 00:05:39,241 --> 00:05:40,482 -Is it true? -Yes. 121 00:05:40,482 --> 00:05:42,275 -How was that? -Um, that was fun. 122 00:05:42,275 --> 00:05:44,068 -Were you okay that Truely was there too? -Yeah. Oh, yeah. 123 00:05:44,137 --> 00:05:45,275 -Okay. -Oh, yeah. 124 00:05:45,275 --> 00:05:48,000 'Cause he's only her, he saw her over the holidays. 125 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,172 But before that, he hadn't spent time with her since 126 00:05:50,172 --> 00:05:52,379 -we, um, moved away. -Split? 127 00:05:52,379 --> 00:05:55,000 Yeah, split. 128 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,103 Can I open this? 129 00:05:56,103 --> 00:05:58,172 Yeah, yeah, that's for whatever you want. 130 00:05:59,206 --> 00:06:02,068 Well, I'm sorry. I think everything's a little bit strange. 131 00:06:02,137 --> 00:06:05,586 Honestly, it doesn't bother me 'cause it's been so long 132 00:06:05,586 --> 00:06:07,689 that he's been absent, that I don't even notice. 133 00:06:07,689 --> 00:06:11,137 I don't even really realize that he's not, um... 134 00:06:12,482 --> 00:06:15,000 -Around? -Around. 135 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,068 Did you just realize how broken things are when you hear it from a kid? 136 00:06:29,793 --> 00:06:30,689 Whoo! 137 00:06:30,689 --> 00:06:32,379 [Meri] I'm up at the B and B 138 00:06:32,448 --> 00:06:35,000 and we are getting the carriage house ready 139 00:06:35,034 --> 00:06:36,689 for a renovation. 140 00:06:36,689 --> 00:06:39,586 Gotta move everything out and into storage. 141 00:06:39,586 --> 00:06:41,379 It's moving day. [laughs] 142 00:06:41,379 --> 00:06:46,068 Okay. But for real, we're moving, you guys. 143 00:06:46,137 --> 00:06:47,689 -Okay, not really. -Got so much stuff. 144 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:51,000 It's an in town move, it was a... 145 00:06:51,034 --> 00:06:53,000 -Very cheap truck rental. -[both laugh] 146 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,068 I decided that I'm going to move my clothing business up here. 147 00:06:56,068 --> 00:07:01,689 Since my mom passed away, it's been a lot of travel back and forth. 148 00:07:01,758 --> 00:07:05,896 So I decided to put them in the same location. 149 00:07:05,965 --> 00:07:08,482 So I'm gonna renovate the carriage house so I can 150 00:07:08,551 --> 00:07:10,275 have my clothing business out here. 151 00:07:10,275 --> 00:07:12,551 So far we have that much... 152 00:07:13,517 --> 00:07:14,793 loaded. 153 00:07:14,862 --> 00:07:16,689 The house that I have in Flagstaff, 154 00:07:16,758 --> 00:07:19,896 when I rented it, it was for the intention of having it large enough 155 00:07:19,896 --> 00:07:23,379 to do family events and also to run my clothing business out of. 156 00:07:23,379 --> 00:07:26,482 Since we really don't do family events at my house, 157 00:07:26,482 --> 00:07:29,689 I'm also going to just get a smaller home in Flagstaff. 158 00:07:29,689 --> 00:07:31,482 So I'll still be staying there, 159 00:07:31,482 --> 00:07:36,068 but I'll be here, more of a concentrated amount of time instead of 160 00:07:36,068 --> 00:07:38,000 so much travel back and forth. 161 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,379 [laughing] 162 00:07:40,379 --> 00:07:43,379 Do you know how good of a moment this is gonna be 163 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:46,689 if you can actually, like, unscrew that from-- 164 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:48,896 Well, okay. [mimics drilling machine] 165 00:07:48,965 --> 00:07:51,586 Jenn is my best friend. Shawn is her husband. 166 00:07:51,655 --> 00:07:55,896 She and I basically rope him into doing lots of projects for us. 167 00:07:55,896 --> 00:07:58,793 Well, hide his undies. 168 00:07:58,793 --> 00:08:00,172 Am I supposed to be helping? [laughs] 169 00:08:00,172 --> 00:08:01,793 His undies are showing. [laughs] 170 00:08:01,862 --> 00:08:04,172 [Shawn] Meri. 171 00:08:04,172 --> 00:08:07,275 -I see London, I see France... -Trying to do something. 172 00:08:07,344 --> 00:08:11,482 -I see his underpants. -See? You did it, like, blind. 173 00:08:11,551 --> 00:08:12,896 -Cause I knew what I was doing. -You gonna step on that 174 00:08:12,896 --> 00:08:14,689 after you've just combobulated it? 175 00:08:14,689 --> 00:08:17,379 This whole having a man around 176 00:08:17,448 --> 00:08:21,482 and doing projects for you, is like new to me. 177 00:08:21,482 --> 00:08:24,793 I mean, it's been a long time since Kody has helped me with anything, yes. 178 00:08:24,862 --> 00:08:26,586 It's been a long time. He used to, 179 00:08:26,586 --> 00:08:30,379 but I haven't been part of that equation for 180 00:08:30,379 --> 00:08:32,000 a hot second. [laughs] 181 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,586 I currently live a very independent life, 182 00:08:35,586 --> 00:08:38,379 but I still consider myself married to Kody. 183 00:08:38,379 --> 00:08:40,275 You know, we have our spiritual commitment, 184 00:08:40,344 --> 00:08:44,379 our spiritual marriage, and to me, that is so valid. 185 00:08:44,448 --> 00:08:47,448 But we have lived very separate lives for... 186 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,689 quite a number of years. 187 00:08:50,689 --> 00:08:52,586 How does it feel 188 00:08:53,724 --> 00:08:57,275 that your wife is best friends with a polygamist? [laughs] 189 00:08:57,344 --> 00:08:59,689 -Awesome. -[both laughing] 190 00:08:59,689 --> 00:09:01,172 Are you jealous? 191 00:09:01,931 --> 00:09:04,103 -No. -Of polygamy? 192 00:09:04,103 --> 00:09:08,000 No, there's never been any issue with Shawn and Jenn, 193 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,379 the fact that I'm in a polygamous family. 194 00:09:11,448 --> 00:09:14,172 I mean, it's nice to be looked at as just a person 195 00:09:14,172 --> 00:09:18,896 instead of just judged for, "Oh, my gosh, she lives this weird lifestyle." 196 00:09:18,896 --> 00:09:21,172 You know, that's not the kind of people they are. 197 00:09:22,586 --> 00:09:24,448 Charge! 198 00:09:25,586 --> 00:09:28,000 Having this kind of relationship with Jenn, 199 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,379 like, it's just really easy and when it's easy, 200 00:09:31,448 --> 00:09:33,862 that's what you're more drawn to. 201 00:09:34,689 --> 00:09:37,379 I've had relationships like that with 202 00:09:37,379 --> 00:09:38,896 different people in my family. 203 00:09:38,896 --> 00:09:41,586 Christine and I have had that relationship before. 204 00:09:41,586 --> 00:09:44,137 -Hi. -Hi. 205 00:09:45,827 --> 00:09:47,793 Kody and I have had that relationship. 206 00:09:47,862 --> 00:09:50,275 Robyn and I have had that relationship. 207 00:09:50,275 --> 00:09:54,275 Janelle and I have not had the laughter kind of relationship. 208 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:57,689 I mean, we have laughed, but it's not been that close bond. 209 00:09:57,689 --> 00:10:00,482 Like, I've had those kinds of relationships in my family 210 00:10:00,482 --> 00:10:03,000 and I wish that I had them now, but I just don't. 211 00:10:03,034 --> 00:10:05,586 -Am I the best wife you've ever had? -Yes. 212 00:10:05,586 --> 00:10:07,482 Am I the only wife you've ever had? 213 00:10:08,275 --> 00:10:12,000 [both laughing] 214 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,379 -Good comedy. -[Meri] This is-- [laughs] 215 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:19,275 These are questions that you can't ask a polygamous man. 216 00:10:19,275 --> 00:10:20,689 "Am I the best wife?" 217 00:10:20,689 --> 00:10:21,793 Am I the best wife? 218 00:10:21,862 --> 00:10:24,275 Although some would actually tell you. 219 00:10:24,275 --> 00:10:26,000 No. When you have a favorite wife, 220 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,689 it definitely doesn't work. 221 00:10:27,689 --> 00:10:31,275 I'd seen some plural families where there was a favorite and I'm like, 222 00:10:31,344 --> 00:10:32,482 that's not okay. 223 00:10:32,482 --> 00:10:35,379 He can't have a favorite. He has to grow beyond 224 00:10:35,379 --> 00:10:37,000 his normal selfish capacity. 225 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,896 And be able to love all of these women 226 00:10:38,896 --> 00:10:43,896 in their own way and give them adequate time and connection. 227 00:10:43,965 --> 00:10:47,586 You know, in plural marriage, if a man has a favorite wife, 228 00:10:47,586 --> 00:10:49,275 it really has to do with loyalty. 229 00:10:49,275 --> 00:10:52,000 That he feels her loyalty, that he feels that she's loyal to him. 230 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,793 If you don't feel loyalty for a wife, 231 00:10:53,793 --> 00:10:56,103 she's-- You're gonna struggle with her. 232 00:10:56,103 --> 00:10:58,655 Most men fail, obviously. 233 00:11:05,482 --> 00:11:06,482 Hello. 234 00:11:06,551 --> 00:11:07,689 -Gabe. -Hi. 235 00:11:07,689 --> 00:11:09,000 Aw! 236 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,689 Baby. 237 00:11:10,689 --> 00:11:12,172 Mm. 238 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:15,689 Gwendlyn and Gabe are moving in with Garrison. 239 00:11:15,689 --> 00:11:17,000 I don't think that's a good idea. 240 00:11:17,034 --> 00:11:18,379 So when are you moving in here then? 241 00:11:18,448 --> 00:11:19,482 Probably this weekend. 242 00:11:19,482 --> 00:11:20,896 No. Already? 243 00:11:20,896 --> 00:11:22,275 You found someone to take up your lease? 244 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:24,482 Gabe and Gwendlyn are both gonna move in with Garrison. 245 00:11:24,482 --> 00:11:27,068 There is something about living with somebody 246 00:11:27,137 --> 00:11:30,000 who cares if you come home at night or don't come home. 247 00:11:30,034 --> 00:11:34,172 Not necessarily parenting you, but just cares about what's going on with you. 248 00:11:34,241 --> 00:11:38,896 They are very different politically and just beliefs in general. 249 00:11:38,896 --> 00:11:40,586 They're very, very different. 250 00:11:40,586 --> 00:11:41,793 Kody took Truely. 251 00:11:41,793 --> 00:11:44,379 Kody has Truely, yeah. He took Truely. 252 00:11:44,379 --> 00:11:46,793 He doesn't usually ask when I come into town, 253 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:50,068 so I just asked him this time, can you just babysit Truely for me 254 00:11:50,137 --> 00:11:52,896 and he's like, can she just spend the night and I said, yeah. 255 00:11:52,965 --> 00:11:55,275 -Truely was super excited. She-- -Good. 256 00:11:55,275 --> 00:11:57,793 She thinks that her and Kody have a great relationship. 257 00:11:57,793 --> 00:11:58,965 So it's great. 258 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,241 Bye. 259 00:12:02,793 --> 00:12:04,379 Love you. Bye-bye. 260 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:11,482 When I lived in Flagstaff, I firmly believed that moving 261 00:12:11,551 --> 00:12:13,689 was the best choice for me and for Truely. 262 00:12:13,758 --> 00:12:16,965 I knew that I was taking Truely away from her dad. 263 00:12:17,620 --> 00:12:20,275 I felt like the best way to preserve 264 00:12:20,344 --> 00:12:22,379 Truely's relationship with Kody 265 00:12:22,379 --> 00:12:24,172 was to move her away from him. 266 00:12:24,172 --> 00:12:26,000 And I know it sounds bizarre. 267 00:12:26,034 --> 00:12:28,862 I know it sounds like that doesn't quite compute. 268 00:12:29,931 --> 00:12:31,379 It's almost like I froze it in time. 269 00:12:31,379 --> 00:12:33,379 I preserved it. I took the relationship 270 00:12:33,448 --> 00:12:36,379 while it was still good and I picked it up and I moved it. 271 00:12:36,379 --> 00:12:38,379 And then whenever we come back in town, 272 00:12:38,379 --> 00:12:40,379 I just pick it up again and I move it back. 273 00:12:40,379 --> 00:12:42,482 And it's preserved. 274 00:12:42,482 --> 00:12:44,793 For Christine to think that she's saving 275 00:12:44,862 --> 00:12:46,379 my relationship with Truely 276 00:12:46,379 --> 00:12:49,379 by taking her away from me and she's just preserving it, 277 00:12:49,379 --> 00:12:52,068 that's such BS rationalization. 278 00:12:52,068 --> 00:12:54,482 That-- I know I'm laughing now 279 00:12:54,551 --> 00:12:56,379 'cause it's ridiculous. 280 00:12:56,448 --> 00:12:57,793 You guys haven't seen-- 281 00:12:57,793 --> 00:12:59,586 I don't think you guys have seen your dad for a while, right? 282 00:12:59,586 --> 00:13:01,379 -Nope. -Have you heard from him? 283 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:02,586 -Nope. -Nope. 284 00:13:02,586 --> 00:13:05,000 I remember him saying something along the lines of 285 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:07,862 he only cares about his minor children or something like that. 286 00:13:09,413 --> 00:13:11,482 -Can you pass the French dressing, Mom? -Yes. 287 00:13:11,482 --> 00:13:12,758 I'm sorry. 288 00:13:13,482 --> 00:13:14,793 Yeah, man, I just work here. 289 00:13:14,862 --> 00:13:17,275 [all laughing] 290 00:13:17,275 --> 00:13:19,586 I can observe that Kody seems to have trouble 291 00:13:19,586 --> 00:13:21,793 relating to his older children. 292 00:13:21,862 --> 00:13:24,000 And he seems to dote on the younger children. 293 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,379 And when my children were younger, 294 00:13:25,379 --> 00:13:28,000 it was very easy for him to be a father, right, 295 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,068 'cause he was still, kind of, this, important-- 296 00:13:30,068 --> 00:13:31,275 He was important to them. 297 00:13:31,275 --> 00:13:32,896 His opinion mattered to them. 298 00:13:32,896 --> 00:13:34,689 His guidance mattered to them. 299 00:13:34,758 --> 00:13:39,172 And now, because they question a little bit, I think it might be harder for Kody 300 00:13:39,241 --> 00:13:40,896 to feel like he's respected. 301 00:13:40,896 --> 00:13:44,103 Before all the hurt feelings that happened through Covid, 302 00:13:44,103 --> 00:13:46,275 Kody's relationship with his older children, 303 00:13:46,275 --> 00:13:48,172 uh, a lot of 'em were really, really good. 304 00:13:48,241 --> 00:13:51,241 Christine left and all that changed. 305 00:13:52,275 --> 00:13:53,862 Since I last talked to Dad, 306 00:13:55,275 --> 00:13:56,448 I bought a house, 307 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,068 I've gotten into school, 308 00:13:59,310 --> 00:14:01,482 and I got the car that I wanted, 309 00:14:01,482 --> 00:14:02,896 that he told me I should never get. 310 00:14:02,896 --> 00:14:04,793 And he doesn't know anything? 311 00:14:04,793 --> 00:14:07,103 No. He doesn't care to. 312 00:14:07,103 --> 00:14:10,103 I've reached out to Garrison and Gabriel. 313 00:14:10,103 --> 00:14:12,689 I reached out to them just before Christmas. 314 00:14:12,689 --> 00:14:15,586 And I reached out to them, um, after. 315 00:14:15,655 --> 00:14:18,862 Uh, no, they're blocking me. They're not interested in talking to me. 316 00:14:21,482 --> 00:14:23,482 Like you know how we did like that "secret Santa" thing for Christmas? 317 00:14:23,482 --> 00:14:24,586 Yeah. 318 00:14:24,586 --> 00:14:26,275 So Robyn was like, "We need to do it over Zoom", 319 00:14:26,275 --> 00:14:29,103 and everybody else was like, "Well, that has, like, not a personal feel." 320 00:14:29,103 --> 00:14:31,172 And then Robyn made it all about herself. 321 00:14:31,172 --> 00:14:33,275 Where is the trauma coming from? 322 00:14:33,275 --> 00:14:35,275 Because Dad prefers them. 323 00:14:35,275 --> 00:14:39,448 My kids and I have felt like we got voted off the Brown family island. 324 00:14:50,103 --> 00:14:51,655 Knock, knock. 325 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:54,000 Baby. 326 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,275 -Hi. -Hi. You look so cute. 327 00:14:56,344 --> 00:14:58,586 We got-- We got pie. 328 00:14:58,586 --> 00:15:00,379 We have pie. 329 00:15:00,379 --> 00:15:02,379 -Key lime. -I love it. 330 00:15:02,379 --> 00:15:03,862 Just right into her face. 331 00:15:03,931 --> 00:15:06,000 -It depends on what you want first. -What's for dinner? 332 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,586 -Thank you. -Okay, have your plate. 333 00:15:07,586 --> 00:15:10,758 [Gwendlyn] I always like it when someone else makes the dessert. 334 00:15:10,758 --> 00:15:13,793 Okay, can I just ask 'cause I don't know what happened 335 00:15:13,793 --> 00:15:15,689 'cause I feel like I was kinda out of the loop when I was 336 00:15:15,689 --> 00:15:17,379 leaving Dad and moving, everything like that. 337 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:19,379 What did happen with you guys and Robyn, 338 00:15:19,379 --> 00:15:21,068 and you guys and Dad? 339 00:15:21,137 --> 00:15:23,482 We were discussing, like, how you know we did those, like, "secret Santa" thing 340 00:15:23,482 --> 00:15:25,000 -for Christmas? -Yeah. 341 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,689 So Robyn was like, "We should do it over Zoom." 342 00:15:28,689 --> 00:15:30,275 So that we can like, everybody see each other 343 00:15:30,275 --> 00:15:32,586 and she was like, "Ariella's forgetting who you guys are." 344 00:15:32,586 --> 00:15:35,586 For the last 20 years, we've had a gift exchange 345 00:15:35,586 --> 00:15:38,275 where we draw names and we pick a gift 346 00:15:38,344 --> 00:15:40,896 for another sibling for the name we drew. 347 00:15:40,896 --> 00:15:44,275 -I have Aurora. Whoo! -Yay! 348 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:46,793 Paedon. 349 00:15:46,793 --> 00:15:47,896 -Wow. -Whoo! 350 00:15:47,896 --> 00:15:50,379 Breanna Brown. 351 00:15:50,379 --> 00:15:52,586 So Aspen started this text thread saying, 352 00:15:52,586 --> 00:15:54,965 hey, it's time to do the gift exchange. 353 00:15:54,965 --> 00:15:57,379 So Robyn was like, "We need to do it over Zoom", and everybody else was like, 354 00:15:57,448 --> 00:15:59,758 "Well, that has like, not a personal feel." 355 00:15:59,827 --> 00:16:01,586 So everybody was like giving up ideas 356 00:16:01,655 --> 00:16:03,482 and I think I was like, we can make it a competition. 357 00:16:03,482 --> 00:16:05,275 Whichever moms do it quicker or something. 358 00:16:05,344 --> 00:16:07,482 And then Robyn made it all about herself, 359 00:16:07,482 --> 00:16:08,689 and mentioned something about trauma, 360 00:16:08,689 --> 00:16:10,068 how there's a bunch of past trauma. 361 00:16:10,068 --> 00:16:13,586 Which, by the way, where's the trauma coming from? 362 00:16:13,655 --> 00:16:15,689 Because Dad prefers them. 363 00:16:15,689 --> 00:16:17,448 -Yeah. -We can all agree on this, right? 364 00:16:18,689 --> 00:16:23,482 From my perspective, Kody did not choose us. 365 00:16:23,482 --> 00:16:26,000 My kids and I wanted to be a part of this family 366 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,241 and wanted to be accepted and loved by everyone. 367 00:16:30,758 --> 00:16:32,068 Welcome. 368 00:16:35,275 --> 00:16:38,586 When we were blending families years ago, 369 00:16:38,586 --> 00:16:40,068 there was a lot of trouble. 370 00:16:40,068 --> 00:16:42,379 I didn't feel like I had a lot of support from the other parents 371 00:16:42,448 --> 00:16:45,965 to do this blending and there was a lot of things that happened that were hard. 372 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,275 But that started to kinda go away after ten years or so of it. 373 00:16:49,275 --> 00:16:51,275 But then when Covid hit, 374 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:55,000 all of a sudden, my kids and I were excluded again. 375 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,275 And all of a sudden, we weren't part of their group. 376 00:16:58,344 --> 00:17:01,172 She was like texting us. They were complaining about trauma 377 00:17:01,172 --> 00:17:03,758 and like how we don't respect her as a mother 378 00:17:03,827 --> 00:17:07,068 and all of this weird stuff 'cause I've always considered them my siblings. 379 00:17:07,068 --> 00:17:09,275 I still do 'cause I still consider her a mom. 380 00:17:09,275 --> 00:17:12,862 Before we got on the text chain for this gift exchange, 381 00:17:12,862 --> 00:17:15,482 we had learned that there were some 382 00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:17,586 very strong negative feelings towards us 383 00:17:17,586 --> 00:17:20,000 coming from some of the siblings 384 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,172 and we also learned that they were planning on 385 00:17:22,172 --> 00:17:25,482 having Christmas without us without saying anything to us. 386 00:17:25,550 --> 00:17:30,448 It was very frustrating for me and I felt really hurt and confused. 387 00:17:31,103 --> 00:17:32,172 Do you see a change? 388 00:17:32,241 --> 00:17:33,965 Do you see a change in, like, things happening 389 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,068 to change it so you would... 390 00:17:36,068 --> 00:17:38,000 No, I see it getting worse progressively 391 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,689 and so, Robyn said to us that because of, like, 392 00:17:40,689 --> 00:17:42,000 we weren't respecting her, she was like, 393 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,862 "We're not going to, uh, participate in Christmas with you." 394 00:17:44,862 --> 00:17:47,103 All of a sudden, I got, like, this kick back 395 00:17:47,103 --> 00:17:49,793 and attitude from the older kids. 396 00:17:49,793 --> 00:17:51,689 And I was like, 397 00:17:51,689 --> 00:17:53,379 "I don't know why I'm trying." 398 00:17:53,379 --> 00:17:57,172 Just felt very, very, um, defeated. 399 00:17:57,172 --> 00:18:00,482 We really, truly, my kids and I have felt like 400 00:18:00,482 --> 00:18:03,379 we got voted off the Brown family island. 401 00:18:03,448 --> 00:18:06,172 That is absolutely how we had felt. 402 00:18:06,241 --> 00:18:08,103 She said, "I'm not talking to you guys anymore." 403 00:18:08,103 --> 00:18:09,862 And then she told Mykelti and Logan 404 00:18:09,862 --> 00:18:13,586 to tell us that she wasn't gonna talk to us anymore. 405 00:18:13,586 --> 00:18:15,793 So a few days after the confrontation, 406 00:18:15,793 --> 00:18:18,379 we got a text message from Mykelti, saying that 407 00:18:18,448 --> 00:18:20,862 Robyn and her kids weren't going to 408 00:18:20,931 --> 00:18:23,655 participate in this year's gift exchange. 409 00:18:24,482 --> 00:18:26,137 And it kinda hurt. 410 00:18:28,103 --> 00:18:31,379 [Christine] It's a true division, I think if you can 411 00:18:31,379 --> 00:18:34,172 look back and figure out where the lines were drawn, 412 00:18:34,172 --> 00:18:37,000 a definite line was drawn that day. 413 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,172 I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen after this. 414 00:18:39,172 --> 00:18:41,137 If they get together next year, I... 415 00:18:41,862 --> 00:18:43,275 I don't know. 416 00:18:43,275 --> 00:18:47,586 Robyn turned it into us trying to ostracize her 417 00:18:47,586 --> 00:18:49,793 and played the victim. 418 00:18:49,793 --> 00:18:51,793 And we said, "No, this is about 419 00:18:51,793 --> 00:18:54,275 us trying to figure out how can do this 420 00:18:54,275 --> 00:18:57,482 and adjust to your new Christmas rules." 421 00:18:57,482 --> 00:18:59,482 So that we can all do this Christmas exchange 'cause 422 00:18:59,551 --> 00:19:01,689 we've been doing it for twenty years. 423 00:19:01,689 --> 00:19:05,275 Robyn never made any of the Christmas Covid rules or anything like that. 424 00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,275 That's not her job. That's my job. 425 00:19:07,275 --> 00:19:09,275 I made those rules. 426 00:19:09,275 --> 00:19:13,482 She took that, put it whatever process she does 427 00:19:13,551 --> 00:19:15,482 and made her the victim by doing that. 428 00:19:15,482 --> 00:19:17,482 But you guys didn't mean it that way. 429 00:19:17,551 --> 00:19:20,068 We told her that we weren't trying to-- 430 00:19:20,068 --> 00:19:23,689 She was gaslighting everyone into treating her 431 00:19:23,689 --> 00:19:25,172 with special treatment. 432 00:19:25,172 --> 00:19:27,000 She was gaslighting. 433 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,482 Because of the past, like, eight years, 434 00:19:28,482 --> 00:19:31,689 she's made herself a victim because she's the last wife. 435 00:19:31,689 --> 00:19:33,689 You never made yourself the victim. 436 00:19:33,689 --> 00:19:37,379 She is the catalyst of all this. 437 00:19:38,482 --> 00:19:40,689 What do you mean by "catalyst of all of this?" 438 00:19:40,689 --> 00:19:45,068 [Garrison] Of using Covid to make Dad exclusive 439 00:19:45,137 --> 00:19:48,172 and then turning herself into the victim and saying that it's our fault. 440 00:19:48,172 --> 00:19:51,103 Mm-hmm. And Dad also chose to spend Christmas with her 441 00:19:51,103 --> 00:19:52,586 -instead of the rest of us. -When we've just been-- 442 00:19:52,655 --> 00:19:54,586 When we've just been living our own lives 443 00:19:54,655 --> 00:19:57,379 and protested for the sake of your marriage and Mom's marriage, 444 00:19:57,448 --> 00:19:58,586 we protested. 445 00:19:58,586 --> 00:20:01,103 Once those are down the drain, we were just like, cool. 446 00:20:01,103 --> 00:20:02,586 We're gonna do our own thing. 447 00:20:02,655 --> 00:20:05,000 She no longer could feel a victim because 448 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,103 she can no longer feel us attacking her 449 00:20:07,103 --> 00:20:08,068 because we just gave up. 450 00:20:08,068 --> 00:20:09,758 We didn't care about her anymore. 451 00:20:09,758 --> 00:20:11,655 All of you are just kind of jerks. 452 00:20:12,379 --> 00:20:13,689 I don't wanna be around ya. 453 00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:15,896 And I'm tired of it. 454 00:20:15,896 --> 00:20:19,068 And I don't want to call them and I don't want to talk to them. 455 00:20:19,137 --> 00:20:20,586 [Garrison] And that's why I'm done with Robyn. 456 00:20:20,655 --> 00:20:22,482 I don't care to talk to Robyn anymore. 457 00:20:22,551 --> 00:20:24,068 I'm not going to do this. 458 00:20:24,137 --> 00:20:25,172 I'm doing my own thing. 459 00:20:25,172 --> 00:20:28,482 And Robyn's mad that she can't have 460 00:20:28,482 --> 00:20:30,793 this affect on our lives anymore 461 00:20:30,793 --> 00:20:32,482 because we just don't care anymore. 462 00:20:32,482 --> 00:20:34,586 And I'm not speaking on behalf of the siblings, 463 00:20:34,655 --> 00:20:36,379 but this is what I think all the siblings think. 464 00:20:36,379 --> 00:20:39,482 This is us going, you know what, Robyn? 465 00:20:39,482 --> 00:20:40,275 Have him. 466 00:20:40,275 --> 00:20:42,172 'Cause we don't care anymore. 467 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:43,862 We're all grown adults 468 00:20:43,931 --> 00:20:46,586 that don't need a father figure anymore. 469 00:20:46,586 --> 00:20:48,379 I would like to say that I didn't care. 470 00:20:48,379 --> 00:20:49,965 -Yeah. -But it still hurts. 471 00:20:51,482 --> 00:20:54,068 We don't need Dad anymore. 472 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,896 [Christine] I think every kid needs a dad. 473 00:21:00,896 --> 00:21:02,068 Always. 474 00:21:02,068 --> 00:21:04,344 You have to throw it so that it spins. 475 00:21:05,689 --> 00:21:07,344 -Do you see how I'm holding it? -Yes. 476 00:21:10,275 --> 00:21:12,137 [Gwendlyn] I still need my dad. 477 00:21:17,103 --> 00:21:18,862 I think every kid needs a dad. 478 00:21:22,379 --> 00:21:24,000 The truths were revealed. 479 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,689 Cool. This is the point where we all go. 480 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,103 We're done. 481 00:21:28,103 --> 00:21:30,482 I just realized that nothing I would ever say or do, 482 00:21:30,482 --> 00:21:33,965 they're gonna ever see with the right intention that I mean it. 483 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,862 They're never gonna see me as anything other than a bad guy. 484 00:21:45,689 --> 00:21:46,965 You know, I'm just... 485 00:21:48,482 --> 00:21:50,448 I'm sorry is a natural response. 486 00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:52,137 I'm gonna say a natural response. 487 00:21:52,137 --> 00:21:53,931 I don't know what else to say. 488 00:21:55,172 --> 00:21:58,275 I'm not apologizing for Kody's behavior. 489 00:21:58,275 --> 00:22:01,241 But God, I wish I could have it easier and better. 490 00:22:03,758 --> 00:22:05,793 You know, who needs a dad when we have two moms? 491 00:22:05,793 --> 00:22:07,344 -Yeah. -Aw! 492 00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:09,344 -Okay. -Love is love. 493 00:22:09,413 --> 00:22:10,896 Love is love. 494 00:22:10,896 --> 00:22:12,551 -"Who needs a dad when we have two moms?" -There we go. 495 00:22:12,551 --> 00:22:14,655 [all speaking indistinctly] 496 00:22:14,655 --> 00:22:15,862 We're sister wives still. 497 00:22:15,862 --> 00:22:17,137 We're sister wives. 498 00:22:17,137 --> 00:22:19,275 Your mom, like, we totally consider ourselves sister wives. 499 00:22:19,275 --> 00:22:21,862 This is valid. You just divorce the man. 500 00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:24,241 There's nobody that says you're divorced when you're sister wives. 501 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:28,000 I chose when my divorce state was. 502 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,965 I may not be able to get my kids a dad, 503 00:22:29,965 --> 00:22:32,275 but I can give 'em Janelle for goodness sakes. 504 00:22:32,275 --> 00:22:34,448 When we merged the families, I think maybe we missed 505 00:22:34,448 --> 00:22:36,137 -a few really important steps. -We missed some steps. 506 00:22:36,137 --> 00:22:37,965 We didn't merge very well. 507 00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:40,275 We just didn't merge well. We tried. 508 00:22:40,275 --> 00:22:41,482 Oh, my gosh, we tried. 509 00:22:41,482 --> 00:22:43,551 And I've been accused of bullying. 510 00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:45,758 I don't remember bullying anybody. 511 00:22:45,758 --> 00:22:48,068 So Kody accused me of bullying my sister wives. 512 00:22:48,068 --> 00:22:50,241 And basically, that's code for 513 00:22:50,241 --> 00:22:53,068 he's accusing me of bullying Robyn. 514 00:22:53,068 --> 00:22:56,758 I never actually accused Christine of bullying. 515 00:22:56,827 --> 00:22:58,068 She was just a crap sister wife. 516 00:22:58,068 --> 00:23:01,275 She was just trash talking Janelle and Meri all the time. 517 00:23:01,275 --> 00:23:05,448 Up until thanksgiving, I'd call Dad about advice I needed. 518 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,068 But no, you know? 519 00:23:07,068 --> 00:23:08,862 I still miss Aurora though. 520 00:23:08,931 --> 00:23:10,551 -Yeah. -I miss Dayton. 521 00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:13,379 And I wanna mend my relationship with my siblings. 522 00:23:13,379 --> 00:23:14,551 Are you guys gonna try-- 523 00:23:14,551 --> 00:23:16,344 I'm gonna try, but if Robyn's there, 524 00:23:16,413 --> 00:23:17,758 I don't give a [bleep]. 525 00:23:17,827 --> 00:23:19,448 So no one's talked to her in person? 526 00:23:19,448 --> 00:23:23,137 No. The truths were revealed and... 527 00:23:23,137 --> 00:23:26,758 we all just said, "Cool, this is the point where we all go." 528 00:23:27,379 --> 00:23:28,551 We're done. 529 00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:30,379 Would you do a face to face conversation with her 530 00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:31,448 -and the kids? -No. 531 00:23:31,448 --> 00:23:32,379 You wouldn't? 532 00:23:32,379 --> 00:23:33,344 It would not be good. 533 00:23:33,413 --> 00:23:35,137 I don't have the emotional maturity 534 00:23:35,137 --> 00:23:37,034 to do it face to face with her. 535 00:23:37,034 --> 00:23:39,827 And she'd probably manipulate us or start crying. 536 00:23:41,689 --> 00:23:45,000 I just realized that nothing I would ever say or do at this point, 537 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,551 they're gonna ever see with the right intention that I mean it. 538 00:23:49,172 --> 00:23:50,689 The love that I will have for them, 539 00:23:50,689 --> 00:23:51,965 even the hurt that I have. 540 00:23:51,965 --> 00:23:53,758 Why would I be hurt if I didn't care? 541 00:23:53,827 --> 00:23:56,758 They're never gonna see me as anything other than a bad guy. 542 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,344 How're you doing, quiet boy? 543 00:23:59,413 --> 00:24:01,965 Um, I don't know. I talk to Aurora a little bit. 544 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,965 I see her at school. 545 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,689 Wait, you talk to Aurora? 546 00:24:05,689 --> 00:24:06,862 -Yeah. -You see her? 547 00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:08,137 Yes. 548 00:24:08,137 --> 00:24:10,000 Aurora's the only one in that side of the family 549 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,965 who I've heard say, I love you, since... 550 00:24:13,896 --> 00:24:14,965 Covid. 551 00:24:14,965 --> 00:24:17,172 Me and Gabe have bumped into each other 552 00:24:17,172 --> 00:24:19,344 a few times on campus. 553 00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:22,896 There are hugs given, well wishes, I love you's, 554 00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:25,379 just sort of, like, checking in on each other. 555 00:24:25,379 --> 00:24:28,862 Personally, Gabe has been nothing but kind. 556 00:24:28,931 --> 00:24:30,034 So... 557 00:24:30,689 --> 00:24:32,586 I haven't seen Aurora in so long. 558 00:24:32,586 --> 00:24:33,862 She's always in the science building. 559 00:24:33,931 --> 00:24:35,758 -Okay. -So if you roll through... 560 00:24:35,827 --> 00:24:38,482 I'll allow it. I'm gonna go hunt her down. 561 00:24:38,482 --> 00:24:40,448 This has been a hard conversation. 562 00:24:40,517 --> 00:24:42,034 It's really hard. 563 00:24:42,034 --> 00:24:45,344 And Garrison's done a lot of digging. 564 00:24:45,413 --> 00:24:48,172 He's been very, very vulnerable. 565 00:24:48,172 --> 00:24:50,862 This is a divorce. 566 00:24:50,931 --> 00:24:54,448 And in most senses, a divorce is a civil war. 567 00:24:55,344 --> 00:24:58,758 So she's just feeding flames in a civil war. 568 00:24:58,827 --> 00:25:02,965 And I think she's got some terrible karma coming. 569 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,482 Oh, my God, imagine your father loving you. 570 00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,172 I still think he loves you. 571 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:08,344 -I just don't think-- -Me? 572 00:25:08,344 --> 00:25:10,068 No, I still think he loves you. 573 00:25:10,068 --> 00:25:11,862 -I just think he's been-- -All right, guys, just-- 574 00:25:11,862 --> 00:25:12,862 -That's enough. -I don't know. 575 00:25:12,862 --> 00:25:13,965 -That's enough. -It's okay, let her say. 576 00:25:13,965 --> 00:25:18,172 I still think he loves you. He just, um... 577 00:25:18,172 --> 00:25:20,965 He's just angry at you for, like, no reason. 578 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,758 I've told Gwendlyn for years that her dad loves her. 579 00:25:23,758 --> 00:25:27,103 But it's not my job to convey 580 00:25:27,103 --> 00:25:29,758 Kody's love to Gwendlyn. It's his job. 581 00:25:29,827 --> 00:25:34,137 Every [bleep] talk, every trash talk, every opinion 582 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:36,241 is absolutely reciprocated. 583 00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:39,000 I think the same thing of them. 584 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,862 [Garrison] If there's one thing that I wish 585 00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:42,655 Robyn and her kids could understand is that 586 00:25:42,655 --> 00:25:45,275 we all forgive 'em. 587 00:25:45,275 --> 00:25:49,758 If you wanna come back and participate in this gift exchange with us, 588 00:25:49,758 --> 00:25:52,586 you're always welcome, you know, the arms are open. 589 00:25:52,586 --> 00:25:55,620 But if you don't, then we're not going to chase. 590 00:25:56,379 --> 00:25:58,344 All right. This is a lot of drama. 591 00:25:58,413 --> 00:25:59,448 This is a lot of drama. 592 00:25:59,448 --> 00:26:01,241 I think we should take a break from this. 593 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:02,517 Discuss it another time. 594 00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:04,379 It's your house. You make the rules. That sounds great. 595 00:26:04,379 --> 00:26:07,586 Okay, well, thank you everybody for letting me cook for you. 596 00:26:07,586 --> 00:26:09,689 Going back to Flagstaff isn't just about visiting 597 00:26:09,689 --> 00:26:11,551 Gwendlyn and Janelle, and her kids. 598 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:14,000 That's like, the best thing in Flagstaff. 599 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,655 Going back to Flagstaff means... 600 00:26:19,793 --> 00:26:20,965 this. 601 00:26:20,965 --> 00:26:22,344 Coming back to this. 602 00:26:22,413 --> 00:26:25,103 I'm talking about the hardest times of my life. 603 00:26:26,448 --> 00:26:28,482 Let's clean it up, call it a night. 604 00:26:28,482 --> 00:26:31,379 So no heart break for the night. 605 00:26:31,379 --> 00:26:33,068 [Christine] And then I have to go back in the past 606 00:26:33,068 --> 00:26:36,068 and I have to discuss everything that was difficult. 607 00:26:36,068 --> 00:26:38,551 And that's what Flagstaff is, unfortunately. 608 00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:41,379 I hope they feel some sort of a burden lifted. 609 00:26:41,379 --> 00:26:42,724 I hope so. 610 00:26:43,275 --> 00:26:46,206 No, I don't know. Yeah, I hope so. 611 00:26:49,896 --> 00:26:52,137 I'm introducing Janelle to my friends in Flagstaff. 612 00:26:52,137 --> 00:26:53,758 We're going to go out to dinner tonight. 613 00:26:53,758 --> 00:26:55,551 Thank you for coming, everybody. 614 00:26:56,551 --> 00:26:59,000 It's my ex-anniversary. 615 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,172 So this is awesome. 616 00:27:00,241 --> 00:27:03,413 This is the perfect way to celebrate my ex-anniversary. 617 00:27:13,103 --> 00:27:14,758 [all speaking indistinctly] 618 00:27:16,862 --> 00:27:18,241 Oh, look. Look. 619 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:20,275 [Kody] Mykelti brought Avalon into town. 620 00:27:20,275 --> 00:27:22,241 It's her birthday and we are going to have 621 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:24,344 a little birthday celebration for Avalon. 622 00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:27,034 Miss Avalon! 623 00:27:27,034 --> 00:27:29,034 Miss Avalon! 624 00:27:29,034 --> 00:27:31,034 You know, she whines a lot to Mom and Dad, 625 00:27:31,034 --> 00:27:34,931 but she gets really enthusiastic a lot of times, just cute. 626 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:39,379 I missed all the struggles we're having as a family. 627 00:27:39,379 --> 00:27:42,241 I love that Mykelti is still warm to us. 628 00:27:42,241 --> 00:27:44,689 She's not, like, backing off. [chuckles] 629 00:27:44,689 --> 00:27:47,103 She wants a relationship with Robyn. 630 00:27:47,103 --> 00:27:49,689 She wants us to have a relationship with Avalon. 631 00:27:49,689 --> 00:27:52,448 There she is. 632 00:27:52,517 --> 00:27:54,551 [Kody] I think a lot of that has to do with Tony. 633 00:27:54,551 --> 00:27:58,241 Tony loves Robyn and they've always had a connection. 634 00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:01,000 [all] ♪ Happy birthday dear Avalon 635 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,344 [Robyn] Tony and I really get each other. 636 00:28:04,413 --> 00:28:05,793 He's a good kid. 637 00:28:05,793 --> 00:28:07,862 I can't say kid. He's not really a kid, but I mean, 638 00:28:07,931 --> 00:28:10,862 compared to me, yes, I can. [laughs] 639 00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:13,758 [Kody] Robyn and Mykelti have had a really close relationship 640 00:28:13,827 --> 00:28:16,000 from the time I started courting Robyn. 641 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,000 Hi. 642 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,586 Frankly, both Christine and I were 643 00:28:20,586 --> 00:28:23,689 benefitted by this relationship that Robyn had 644 00:28:23,689 --> 00:28:25,000 with Mykelti. 645 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,655 She saw Mykelti in a way Christine and I hadn't. 646 00:28:29,896 --> 00:28:31,172 How's it going? 647 00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:33,965 [Christine] When Kody and Robyn were courting, 648 00:28:33,965 --> 00:28:37,655 Robyn just saw that Mykelti just wasn't treated very nice 649 00:28:37,655 --> 00:28:39,172 by her older siblings. They didn't know what to do with her. 650 00:28:39,172 --> 00:28:42,000 And Robyn saw it and Robyn just... 651 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,034 just said she's super cool and she's amazing, 652 00:28:45,034 --> 00:28:47,862 and she kind of just really took Mykelti in 653 00:28:47,862 --> 00:28:49,000 and just loved her. 654 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,482 She's definitely been, like, another mom to Mykelti. 655 00:28:51,482 --> 00:28:54,758 [woman 1] Her shoulders are out, her shoulder's coming out. 656 00:28:54,827 --> 00:28:56,172 -[woman 2] Yeah, she's coming. -[woman 3] Yeah, she's coming. 657 00:28:56,172 --> 00:28:57,620 Oh, my God. 658 00:28:59,137 --> 00:29:00,827 Here's your baby. 659 00:29:02,068 --> 00:29:03,551 Okay, baby. 660 00:29:03,551 --> 00:29:05,103 [Christine] Like, she was at Avalon's birth 661 00:29:05,103 --> 00:29:07,862 and she'll be any of Mykelti's, like, big moments, 662 00:29:07,931 --> 00:29:10,551 she'll be at, too, definitely. 663 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:12,068 [Kody] You blow that candle out, sweetie. 664 00:29:12,068 --> 00:29:13,448 There you go. 665 00:29:13,517 --> 00:29:14,793 It's out now. 666 00:29:14,793 --> 00:29:15,931 Good job. 667 00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:18,965 [all cheering] 668 00:29:31,586 --> 00:29:33,137 [speaking indistinctly] 669 00:29:37,586 --> 00:29:39,689 I'm introducing Janelle to my friends in Flagstaff. 670 00:29:39,689 --> 00:29:41,448 We're going to go out to dinner tonight. 671 00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:42,965 -Yes, definitely, a picture. -Okay. 672 00:29:42,965 --> 00:29:44,034 -Definitely. -We'll get it. 673 00:29:44,034 --> 00:29:45,655 -Yes. -Yeah, to you. 674 00:29:45,724 --> 00:29:47,862 You are the picture taking-- You are. 675 00:29:47,931 --> 00:29:49,034 You are. 676 00:29:49,034 --> 00:29:50,965 So Christine's getting all of her girlfriends together 677 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,448 the friends that she's collected during 678 00:29:52,517 --> 00:29:54,275 her time here in Flagstaff, which I'm thrilled about 679 00:29:54,275 --> 00:29:55,758 because I need friends. 680 00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:56,862 [squealing] 681 00:29:56,862 --> 00:30:00,551 It's my ex-anniversary. 682 00:30:00,551 --> 00:30:03,793 Like, mine and Kody's old anniversary today. 683 00:30:03,793 --> 00:30:05,655 So how many years would it have been today? 684 00:30:05,724 --> 00:30:07,000 -Yeah. -[laughing] 685 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,586 -Just curious. -I was married in '94. 686 00:30:09,586 --> 00:30:12,448 And how long were you together prior? 687 00:30:12,448 --> 00:30:13,965 -Did you-- -We just hung out. 688 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,655 We were just good friends 689 00:30:15,724 --> 00:30:18,448 for like three years. I knew him, like, three years before. 690 00:30:18,517 --> 00:30:20,448 Celebrating the day of our divorce isn't enough. 691 00:30:20,517 --> 00:30:24,482 I also need to celebrate our old anniversary, ex-anniversary. 692 00:30:24,482 --> 00:30:26,655 [laughs] I don't know. 693 00:30:26,724 --> 00:30:29,965 Don't people celebrate their ex-anniversary? 694 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,758 It's so weird to get in a conversation lately about 695 00:30:32,758 --> 00:30:36,862 my situation when I was with Rus for 30 years 696 00:30:36,931 --> 00:30:38,068 and they're like, "What?" 697 00:30:38,068 --> 00:30:40,551 How long have you guys been officially divorced? 698 00:30:40,551 --> 00:30:41,482 Last May. 699 00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:44,034 And I just had my year anniversary 700 00:30:44,034 --> 00:30:47,068 -living in my... Living out. Yeah, March. -Wow. 701 00:30:47,068 --> 00:30:49,172 [Christine] My friends in Flagstaff are incredible 702 00:30:49,172 --> 00:30:51,137 and I met them through Ysabel. 703 00:30:51,137 --> 00:30:54,758 We all got together to throw our kids a graduation party. 704 00:30:54,827 --> 00:30:56,551 Um, we've just been friends ever since. 705 00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:59,137 They're all in different areas of the relationship. 706 00:30:59,137 --> 00:31:01,448 Like, you have some that are happily married and have been 707 00:31:01,517 --> 00:31:02,793 since they were like 19. 708 00:31:02,793 --> 00:31:05,275 And then all the way down to divorced 709 00:31:05,275 --> 00:31:06,448 and onto their second marriage. 710 00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:08,344 Now how's Rus with the kids and stuff? 711 00:31:08,896 --> 00:31:10,275 -Okay? -Okay. 712 00:31:10,275 --> 00:31:12,000 -All right. -Yeah. Yeah. 713 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000 When you leave and you're divorced, 714 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,758 you have this new identity now. 715 00:31:15,827 --> 00:31:17,655 It's different than who you were 716 00:31:17,655 --> 00:31:19,965 when you were married and even when you were single before that. 717 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,448 You're just different. 718 00:31:21,448 --> 00:31:24,862 It's super important to find likeminded people. 719 00:31:24,931 --> 00:31:26,689 It's weird. Never thought I'd be here. 720 00:31:26,689 --> 00:31:27,655 Me either. 721 00:31:27,724 --> 00:31:29,000 After 30 years. 722 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000 So this is awesome. 723 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,034 This is the perfect way to celebrate 724 00:31:32,034 --> 00:31:33,344 my ex-anniversary. 725 00:31:34,896 --> 00:31:37,655 So at home, Ysabel makes pancakes when she calls-- 726 00:31:38,275 --> 00:31:40,379 Oh, that's lovely. 727 00:31:40,379 --> 00:31:41,655 [laughs] 728 00:31:41,655 --> 00:31:43,275 Okay, let me just turn it off. 729 00:31:43,275 --> 00:31:44,655 Weird. 730 00:31:45,655 --> 00:31:47,068 It's like Kody of all people, 731 00:31:47,068 --> 00:31:49,379 but I'm not answering that right now. 732 00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:50,758 Why would he call you today? 733 00:31:50,827 --> 00:31:51,862 It's my, I-- 734 00:31:52,448 --> 00:31:54,241 That was Kody. 735 00:31:54,241 --> 00:31:55,586 Is he trying to say-- 736 00:31:55,586 --> 00:31:57,931 "Happy ex-anniversary?" 737 00:31:58,172 --> 00:31:59,068 No. 738 00:31:59,068 --> 00:32:00,379 I have no idea why Kody's calling me. 739 00:32:00,379 --> 00:32:01,275 I have no idea. 740 00:32:01,275 --> 00:32:02,482 I found out that Christine was in town, 741 00:32:02,482 --> 00:32:03,655 so I called her because 742 00:32:03,724 --> 00:32:05,793 I wanted to see if Truely was available. 743 00:32:05,793 --> 00:32:07,551 Am I gonna take the call? Ugh. 744 00:32:08,172 --> 00:32:10,000 Ugh. No. 745 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,896 Okay, so I have to tell you guys. 746 00:32:10,896 --> 00:32:12,103 So last year, for my anniversary, 747 00:32:12,103 --> 00:32:13,862 -for mine and Kody's anniversary... -You were saying. 748 00:32:13,862 --> 00:32:16,344 ...I just told him 'cause anniversary before that 749 00:32:16,413 --> 00:32:18,758 I knew it was over and I just said, you know what I really want 750 00:32:18,758 --> 00:32:20,448 for my anniversary this year from you? 751 00:32:20,517 --> 00:32:22,344 He's like, "What?" I said, "Nothing." 752 00:32:22,344 --> 00:32:24,137 Please don't call me on my birthday. 753 00:32:24,137 --> 00:32:26,137 What did he do? He just called ya. 754 00:32:26,137 --> 00:32:27,586 Well, I know. It's weird, right? And so, 755 00:32:27,586 --> 00:32:29,689 he's like, well, what about if we post a picture 756 00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:31,482 of ourselves? And I'm like, huh. 757 00:32:31,482 --> 00:32:33,758 And he goes, "Oh, so you don't wanna pose in a picture with me?" 758 00:32:33,758 --> 00:32:34,551 I'm like, "No." 759 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,448 It's hard to leave a marriage. 760 00:32:37,517 --> 00:32:39,068 It's really hard. 761 00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:43,379 It is hard to know when you're done. 762 00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:45,482 It's hard to show your kids that you're done. 763 00:32:45,482 --> 00:32:47,758 It's hard to show the world that you're done. 764 00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:50,241 It is hard to leave a marriage. 765 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:52,241 [all cheering] 766 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:55,000 [all] Happy ex-anniversary! 767 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,586 [all cheering] 768 00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:59,034 -Yummy. -Yeah, I know. 769 00:32:59,034 --> 00:33:01,034 It sure feels good on the other side. [chuckles] 770 00:33:01,034 --> 00:33:02,241 I'm just saying. 771 00:33:02,241 --> 00:33:03,551 I'm a big fan of divorce. 772 00:33:03,551 --> 00:33:05,965 I'm just saying. If people are thinking about it, 773 00:33:05,965 --> 00:33:08,344 I say go for it. 774 00:33:08,413 --> 00:33:10,482 I've been thinking I need to divorce my husband. 775 00:33:10,482 --> 00:33:12,862 Oh, go. Do it. Absolutely do it. I'm like-- 776 00:33:13,448 --> 00:33:14,689 No, do it. 777 00:33:14,689 --> 00:33:16,551 Do it. You're already miserable. 778 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:18,137 Stop pretending to be miserable 779 00:33:18,137 --> 00:33:19,448 and pretending to be happy. 780 00:33:19,448 --> 00:33:20,655 I might be giving terrible advice, 781 00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:23,137 but I'm not a therapist or a psychiatrist or anything. 782 00:33:23,896 --> 00:33:25,275 I just know how it feels on the other side 783 00:33:25,275 --> 00:33:26,344 and it's awesome. 784 00:33:29,482 --> 00:33:31,344 So, how do you... Okay. 785 00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:32,379 Yeah, go for it. 786 00:33:32,379 --> 00:33:35,862 They have so many questions all the time. 787 00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:37,379 How are you hearing that though? 788 00:33:37,379 --> 00:33:39,862 How is Janelle hearing what I'm saying about Kody and my relationship? 789 00:33:39,862 --> 00:33:41,448 -Yeah. Does that bother you? -No. Nuh-uh. 790 00:33:41,448 --> 00:33:44,241 I don't feel a lot of obligation or loyalty to Kody right now. 791 00:33:44,241 --> 00:33:46,517 So I'm like, say what you wanna say. I don't care. 792 00:33:53,758 --> 00:33:57,137 I know. It's a revelation we have girlfriends, yeah. 793 00:33:57,137 --> 00:34:01,965 I celebrate two days not being with Kody anymore. 794 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,965 The day of our divorce, which is the day I kicked him out. 795 00:34:04,965 --> 00:34:07,862 And then, yes, our ex-anniversary 796 00:34:07,862 --> 00:34:09,241 of when we were married too. 797 00:34:09,241 --> 00:34:10,655 Absolutely. 798 00:34:10,724 --> 00:34:12,482 So, how are you-- Okay. 799 00:34:12,482 --> 00:34:13,965 Yeah, go for it. 800 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,241 I'm not afraid. 801 00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:18,862 They have so many questions all the time. 802 00:34:18,862 --> 00:34:20,655 How are you hearing that though? 803 00:34:20,655 --> 00:34:23,447 I mean, that's just a question for me. I'm just curious. 804 00:34:23,516 --> 00:34:26,068 How is Janelle hearing what I'm saying about Kody and my relationship? 805 00:34:26,068 --> 00:34:27,757 -Yeah. Does that bother you? -No. Nuh-uh. 806 00:34:27,757 --> 00:34:30,482 Just known how bad it's been between Kody and I for years. 807 00:34:30,482 --> 00:34:32,688 I've been talking to her for years. 808 00:34:32,688 --> 00:34:35,688 [Janelle] You know, I don't really care that Christine's telling her stories. 809 00:34:35,688 --> 00:34:38,585 I don't feel a lot of obligation or loyalty to Kody right now. 810 00:34:38,585 --> 00:34:41,000 So, I'm like, say what you wanna say. I don't care. 811 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,068 They tried everything. I watched the fight. 812 00:34:43,068 --> 00:34:45,000 They fought for it, but it just... 813 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000 Sometimes it just doesn't work anymore. 814 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,688 [Christie] So you guys are good? 815 00:34:48,688 --> 00:34:51,137 -Us? Sure. -Janelle and I? 816 00:34:51,137 --> 00:34:52,655 Oh, Janelle and Kody. 817 00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:53,688 Yeah. 818 00:34:53,688 --> 00:34:55,137 Yeah. I mean, we definitely have 819 00:34:55,137 --> 00:34:56,757 our middle mid-life struggles. 820 00:34:56,757 --> 00:35:00,344 This is the first time I'm meeting these people. I'm not gonna, like, 821 00:35:00,344 --> 00:35:03,000 spill all my guts and all my inner most secrets. 822 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,758 I don't want them to think I'm really weird. 823 00:35:04,827 --> 00:35:06,862 Like, I just need to, like, this is not 824 00:35:06,862 --> 00:35:10,862 a conversation you have on a first time you meet somebody. 825 00:35:10,931 --> 00:35:12,862 At least not me. Not me. 826 00:35:12,931 --> 00:35:16,655 Well, Christine and I have decided that we're really the core fun group anyway. 827 00:35:16,724 --> 00:35:17,896 -So... -Yeah. 828 00:35:17,896 --> 00:35:20,448 We're like, thinking about finding some sort of homebase 829 00:35:20,517 --> 00:35:23,344 that works 'cause the kids are spreading out all over the country. 830 00:35:24,034 --> 00:35:26,344 So in Utah, the polygamists 831 00:35:26,413 --> 00:35:29,241 will often build houses that are meant for more than one family. 832 00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:30,862 So they have more than one kitchen. 833 00:35:30,931 --> 00:35:32,862 Like what we had in Lehi where there's three kitchens, 834 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:34,241 the rooms sort of all adjoined. 835 00:35:34,241 --> 00:35:36,000 Christine and I joke, we just need a house 836 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,275 so we can live together, but have separate lives or whatever. 837 00:35:38,275 --> 00:35:40,758 Then the kids can just go back and forth, just like in Lehi. 838 00:35:40,827 --> 00:35:43,000 -Oh, Lauren really was-- -I do. I just-- 839 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,586 Did you guys get me a gift? 840 00:35:44,586 --> 00:35:46,758 Thank you. 841 00:35:46,827 --> 00:35:48,275 For my 50th. 842 00:35:48,275 --> 00:35:51,896 This says, "Smash the patriarchy." 843 00:35:51,896 --> 00:35:54,448 I never felt like Kody was that much like, uh, 844 00:35:54,517 --> 00:35:57,793 "I am the patriarch," kind of until recently. 845 00:35:57,793 --> 00:36:00,344 [Kody] If everyone's willing to conform, 846 00:36:00,413 --> 00:36:02,965 to patriarchy, I guess. 847 00:36:03,965 --> 00:36:07,103 I'm gonna be the head of my household again. 848 00:36:07,103 --> 00:36:09,241 I never thought I did until he said that. 849 00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:10,965 I realized maybe he wanted to. 850 00:36:10,965 --> 00:36:12,862 Okay, so, I have a question about Kody. 851 00:36:12,931 --> 00:36:14,137 -Okay. -Are you ready? 852 00:36:14,137 --> 00:36:15,689 I'm ready. 853 00:36:15,689 --> 00:36:18,000 So I know Janelle's living situation. 854 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,068 So then, there's... 855 00:36:20,103 --> 00:36:21,344 -Two more ladies? -Yes. 856 00:36:21,344 --> 00:36:23,344 So, um, Meri and Robyn. 857 00:36:23,344 --> 00:36:25,551 Meri and Robyn, and they live out... 858 00:36:26,482 --> 00:36:28,965 -Robyn lives out by the property. -Okay. 859 00:36:28,965 --> 00:36:30,655 But Meri lives in town here. 860 00:36:30,724 --> 00:36:32,655 And then Kody has his own house? 861 00:36:32,655 --> 00:36:34,344 He probably wishes he had his own house. 862 00:36:34,344 --> 00:36:35,551 He rotates? 863 00:36:35,551 --> 00:36:38,000 Not really. He doesn't see Meri anymore. 864 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,758 Like, she's not in the picture of like, as far as a real marriage goes. 865 00:36:41,827 --> 00:36:43,896 -Oh. -But he's at Robyn's house. 866 00:36:43,896 --> 00:36:44,965 Like you? 867 00:36:44,965 --> 00:36:47,172 No, different, 'cause I left him. 868 00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:49,000 Meri hasn't left? 869 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,758 Well, I think she wants to stay. 870 00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:55,000 Marriage works kind of good, like, if you're not willing to necessarily be married. 871 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,068 -You can still be connected to a family. -Right. 872 00:36:57,068 --> 00:36:59,068 She's good friends with Robyn and she loves the kids. 873 00:36:59,068 --> 00:37:01,482 -So Robyn and him live together? -Yes. 874 00:37:01,482 --> 00:37:02,965 Got it. 875 00:37:02,965 --> 00:37:04,793 That's not how it always was. 876 00:37:04,793 --> 00:37:06,793 No. No. 877 00:37:06,793 --> 00:37:09,344 For many, many years, there was like, he would just 878 00:37:09,344 --> 00:37:11,965 be around everybody's houses, like, there was a rotation. 879 00:37:11,965 --> 00:37:13,551 It's not always been... 880 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:15,655 It's not always been so predominantly Robyn. 881 00:37:15,655 --> 00:37:17,586 Flagstaff has been predominantly though. 882 00:37:17,586 --> 00:37:19,172 Flagstaff has been different. 883 00:37:21,586 --> 00:37:24,137 When I used to live polygamy when we were just more secretive 884 00:37:24,137 --> 00:37:26,241 and stuck in our community, I never had 885 00:37:26,241 --> 00:37:29,034 girlfriends that weren't in polygamy. 886 00:37:29,034 --> 00:37:31,551 I haven't had a group of ladies like this... 887 00:37:32,448 --> 00:37:33,689 ever. 888 00:37:33,689 --> 00:37:35,241 Out of polygamy, ever. 889 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:38,379 So it wasn't important to us to go public because 890 00:37:38,379 --> 00:37:42,896 it was until last year... For ten years that we've been doing this. 891 00:37:42,896 --> 00:37:44,965 Until last year, it was a second degree felony 892 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,344 to purport to be married. 893 00:37:46,344 --> 00:37:48,655 Right. So you can have an affair all you want, 894 00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:50,896 but if you dare say that you're with a guy 895 00:37:50,896 --> 00:37:55,344 who wants to call you wife and who wants to support you financially, 896 00:37:55,344 --> 00:37:58,103 that's a second degree felony until this last year. 897 00:37:58,103 --> 00:37:59,448 Now it's decriminalized in Utah. 898 00:37:59,448 --> 00:38:01,551 Now that Christine has left, people are like, oh, 899 00:38:01,551 --> 00:38:04,689 it's polygamy. I'm like, no, it's not. 900 00:38:04,689 --> 00:38:06,965 It's human nature and this happens 901 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,862 in tons of marriages, 902 00:38:08,862 --> 00:38:10,965 monogamous or otherwise. 903 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,103 This is just relationship 101. 904 00:38:13,103 --> 00:38:14,551 And look, people change. 905 00:38:15,344 --> 00:38:16,965 So now that we're being all serious, 906 00:38:16,965 --> 00:38:18,896 what was your tipping point? 907 00:38:18,896 --> 00:38:21,448 He's just not been the greatest dad to my kids. 908 00:38:21,448 --> 00:38:24,965 I don't know if I'm for marriage as far as any of it. 909 00:38:24,965 --> 00:38:26,241 I think if people wanna live it, fine, 910 00:38:26,241 --> 00:38:29,241 but I just, to be honest with you, I... 911 00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:31,034 don't see it as a great family structure 912 00:38:31,034 --> 00:38:32,344 and I really have a hard time with it. 913 00:38:32,413 --> 00:38:34,758 But I think once a guy finds the love of his life, 914 00:38:34,827 --> 00:38:36,344 the other women are screwed. 915 00:38:36,344 --> 00:38:37,965 Christine forces herself into my life. 916 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,241 She basically just insisted that we be married. 917 00:38:40,241 --> 00:38:43,241 I don't care if she's leaving. 918 00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:45,000 You know, I mean, it hurt initially, 919 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,137 but I'm fine. 920 00:38:46,137 --> 00:38:48,965 She should stop trash talking me to my children. 921 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,482 Um, we had a conversation and he just basically said 922 00:38:51,482 --> 00:38:52,758 he wasn't attracted to me anymore 923 00:38:52,758 --> 00:38:54,344 and we weren't going to have a physical marriage. 924 00:38:54,344 --> 00:38:56,793 About a couple months later, I just said you're not 925 00:38:56,793 --> 00:38:59,137 allowed in my bed anymore or my bedroom. 926 00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:03,862 That was one of the best days of my life. 927 00:39:03,931 --> 00:39:06,344 I turned the corner of my house and I just went, 928 00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:08,206 "Yes!" 929 00:39:09,137 --> 00:39:10,448 I am still jaded. 930 00:39:10,517 --> 00:39:13,448 Today is my ex-anniversary and a little bit frustrated. 931 00:39:13,448 --> 00:39:15,034 You know, I'm doing my best. 932 00:39:15,034 --> 00:39:17,758 We're having a good day, believe me. 933 00:39:17,827 --> 00:39:19,241 But it still was a failure. 934 00:39:19,241 --> 00:39:20,862 I just wish he would've sat us all down 935 00:39:20,931 --> 00:39:22,793 and said, look, I found the love of my life. 936 00:39:22,793 --> 00:39:23,896 I found Robyn. 937 00:39:23,896 --> 00:39:25,000 She and I are soul mates 938 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,965 and we wanna live together for the rest of our life. 939 00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:30,586 So let's figure out how to make the other three of you 940 00:39:30,586 --> 00:39:32,586 work in this scenario. 941 00:39:32,586 --> 00:39:34,241 What's the dynamic, um, 942 00:39:34,241 --> 00:39:37,241 between-- Well, all the wives? 943 00:39:37,241 --> 00:39:41,137 Was it, um, how did it affect that relationship, 944 00:39:41,137 --> 00:39:44,034 -not just the kids-- Yes. -With like sister wives? 945 00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:45,965 There will be some sister wives that I'm not 946 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,241 that close to. There'll be some that I'm always gonna be close to. 947 00:39:48,241 --> 00:39:52,103 Like, I'll always be close to Janelle and our kids will always be super tight. 948 00:39:52,103 --> 00:39:53,758 But my relationship with Robyn, 949 00:39:53,827 --> 00:39:55,448 my relationship with Meri isn't getting any better. 950 00:39:55,517 --> 00:39:56,379 It's not gonna change. 951 00:39:56,379 --> 00:39:57,793 It's like any family. 952 00:39:57,793 --> 00:40:01,034 And so, um, we just um, Janelle and I are always gonna get along. 953 00:40:01,034 --> 00:40:02,965 And I think now we look at ourselves, 954 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:04,896 we'll always be sister wives. Always. 955 00:40:04,896 --> 00:40:07,068 -You know, always. -Yeah. In fact, it's easier in a way. 956 00:40:07,068 --> 00:40:08,965 [Christine] Oh, gosh. Yeah. 957 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,965 When we had decided to go public first, 958 00:40:11,965 --> 00:40:14,862 it was to show people on the outside world 959 00:40:14,931 --> 00:40:17,448 that plural families weren't all about control 960 00:40:17,517 --> 00:40:18,655 and suppression. 961 00:40:18,655 --> 00:40:20,172 We actually had an awesome family. 962 00:40:20,172 --> 00:40:22,862 And we loved our kids, and we loved our family. 963 00:40:22,862 --> 00:40:26,068 We loved raising this big, huge, happy family. 964 00:40:26,068 --> 00:40:29,206 And through the years now, 965 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,965 I'm showing a divorce in a family that's... 966 00:40:34,103 --> 00:40:37,241 gosh, broken now. And now, we're just... 967 00:40:37,793 --> 00:40:39,551 being so vulnerable. 968 00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:43,551 But it's okay 'cause it's real. 969 00:40:43,551 --> 00:40:46,896 All right, ladies, I really can't thank you enough for doing this with me. 970 00:40:46,896 --> 00:40:48,689 -Thank you. -[all] Cheers. 971 00:40:48,689 --> 00:40:50,172 Thank you. 972 00:40:50,172 --> 00:40:52,344 New beginnings. Thank you. 973 00:40:53,758 --> 00:40:56,034 Still to come on Sister wives... 974 00:40:56,034 --> 00:40:58,448 You know, obviously my marriage is not good. 975 00:40:58,448 --> 00:41:00,758 I don't think I really even am married anymore. 976 00:41:01,965 --> 00:41:03,655 Do you know what she's talking about here? 977 00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:05,655 And what she's hinting at here? 978 00:41:05,655 --> 00:41:08,241 My heart just started pounding...hard. 979 00:41:09,551 --> 00:41:12,655 Being here at the B and B has become my safe space. 980 00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:15,965 Happy anniversary to me. [chuckles] Weird. 981 00:41:21,482 --> 00:41:23,758 Being married to four women, everything is a test. 982 00:41:23,827 --> 00:41:25,551 Pick me. Do something for me. 983 00:41:25,551 --> 00:41:26,655 Do something for me. 984 00:41:26,724 --> 00:41:28,655 -Hi. -How's it going squirt? 985 00:41:28,724 --> 00:41:30,586 -Good. -Kody wants to come over 986 00:41:30,586 --> 00:41:32,862 and see the new apartment that I've moved into. 987 00:41:34,448 --> 00:41:35,758 I'm looking at this apartment and I'm like, 988 00:41:35,758 --> 00:41:37,655 "I'm not even welcome here, I don't think." 989 00:41:39,275 --> 00:41:41,241 It's very, very painful. 990 00:41:41,310 --> 00:41:42,793 It does not make sense to us. 991 00:41:42,793 --> 00:41:44,758 We're like, "We're a familly. What the heck?" 992 00:41:45,689 --> 00:41:48,655 If he were to give me what I needed in a relationship 993 00:41:48,655 --> 00:41:50,344 I would stay. 994 00:41:50,413 --> 00:41:52,655 He's not going to stop being Robyn's husband. 995 00:41:52,724 --> 00:41:55,758 Before we have cake should we do presents and then cake? 996 00:41:55,827 --> 00:41:57,448 Robyn and I are going to be like this. 997 00:41:57,448 --> 00:41:59,655 You're not going to separate us. 998 00:42:01,068 --> 00:42:03,448 He actually said to me 999 00:42:03,517 --> 00:42:09,000 "I have no desire, Meri, to have a relationship with you." 1000 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,793 I know that you are capable of loving me. 1001 00:42:11,793 --> 00:42:15,103 You have loved me. 1002 00:42:17,689 --> 00:42:21,655 It's not fair for me to be alone like I have been for years. 1003 00:42:21,724 --> 00:42:23,551 This isn't what I want. 1004 00:42:26,689 --> 00:42:28,034 Meri is not part of the equation. 1005 00:42:28,034 --> 00:42:32,862 Too many heartbreaks. I don't know how to let go. 1006 00:42:32,931 --> 00:42:34,344 Screw him. He's not worth it.