1 00:00:01,206 --> 00:00:02,793 [Sukanya] Previously on Sister Wives One On One... 2 00:00:02,793 --> 00:00:05,620 The blame lays on one thing and one thing only. 3 00:00:05,620 --> 00:00:07,620 If you're going to marry and you're going to marry for eternity, 4 00:00:07,620 --> 00:00:10,827 you should start out in love. 5 00:00:10,827 --> 00:00:12,896 How do you feel you started out with Robyn, then? 6 00:00:12,896 --> 00:00:14,379 Well, I fell in love with Robyn, 7 00:00:14,379 --> 00:00:16,172 I never fell in love with anybody else. 8 00:00:16,172 --> 00:00:19,931 I was just choosing to be in that covenant. 9 00:00:19,931 --> 00:00:21,793 You realize at that point, 10 00:00:21,793 --> 00:00:23,413 everything now is going to change. 11 00:00:23,413 --> 00:00:25,103 I know that he's happy with her. 12 00:00:25,103 --> 00:00:28,517 It's very unfortunate 13 00:00:28,517 --> 00:00:32,482 that the rest of the family had to go by the wayside. 14 00:00:32,482 --> 00:00:33,724 You're not listening. 15 00:00:33,724 --> 00:00:34,931 You're not listening to me. 16 00:00:34,931 --> 00:00:36,103 And I'm not going to. 17 00:00:36,103 --> 00:00:37,344 [bleep] you! 18 00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:39,793 Kody has had harsh words with me 19 00:00:39,793 --> 00:00:41,000 and I've had harsh words with him, 20 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,103 but not to this, not to this level. 21 00:00:43,103 --> 00:00:44,689 That moment, I was thinking to myself, 22 00:00:44,689 --> 00:00:46,413 I don't ever want to talk to Janelle again. 23 00:00:46,413 --> 00:00:48,172 That's weird to me 'cause I kept saying, 24 00:00:48,172 --> 00:00:50,275 "You guys have how many years together 25 00:00:50,275 --> 00:00:52,379 and you have six kids." 26 00:00:52,379 --> 00:00:53,448 Yeah, 30 years. 27 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:55,586 [sobbing] Sorry. 28 00:00:56,896 --> 00:00:59,482 Does he feel betrayed because Janelle is friends with you? 29 00:00:59,482 --> 00:01:01,000 Yes. 30 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,586 And I'm like, "Well, buddy, this is what jealousy looks like." [laughs] 31 00:01:03,586 --> 00:01:05,413 -So, you guys distanced yourself after a fight? -No. 32 00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:07,172 No texting, no talking, no anything. 33 00:01:07,172 --> 00:01:08,379 I just didn't want to, 34 00:01:08,379 --> 00:01:10,206 he didn't reach out to me, I didn't reach out to him. 35 00:01:10,206 --> 00:01:13,000 I'm not gonna be angry with you anymore, okay? 36 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,379 If you want to do a separation, I understand, 37 00:01:15,379 --> 00:01:16,793 but I'm not gonna be angry. 38 00:01:16,793 --> 00:01:18,827 So, Janelle is not in love with me. 39 00:01:18,827 --> 00:01:20,620 I think she thinks I'm hot. 40 00:01:20,620 --> 00:01:23,689 I got nice pecks and a great six-pack abs. 41 00:01:23,689 --> 00:01:25,793 But that's all she's interested in. 42 00:01:25,793 --> 00:01:27,206 He loves his pecks so much 43 00:01:27,206 --> 00:01:30,000 that I'm like, "I don't know. You love 'em so much now." 44 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,103 So, you just felt like a resource? 45 00:01:31,103 --> 00:01:33,172 I felt like a piece of meat! 46 00:01:33,172 --> 00:01:35,655 -Did you guys just have great sex? -Mm. 47 00:01:42,172 --> 00:01:43,517 [Sukanya] Over the next three hours, 48 00:01:43,517 --> 00:01:45,448 I'm sitting down with each of the adults, 49 00:01:45,827 --> 00:01:46,723 Kody, 50 00:01:46,723 --> 00:01:47,965 Meri, 51 00:01:48,172 --> 00:01:49,172 Janelle, 52 00:01:49,896 --> 00:01:50,793 Christine, 53 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:52,931 and Robyn 54 00:01:52,931 --> 00:01:56,275 to talk about some of the biggest and most dramatic moments 55 00:01:56,275 --> 00:01:57,344 of their lives. 56 00:01:57,689 --> 00:01:59,827 I want to believe 57 00:01:59,827 --> 00:02:02,482 that there is a part of him 58 00:02:02,482 --> 00:02:05,827 that is still the man that I married. 59 00:02:05,827 --> 00:02:07,758 Were you in love with Meri when you married her? 60 00:02:08,172 --> 00:02:09,378 I told her I loved her 61 00:02:09,378 --> 00:02:12,275 and she thinks we were mad about each other 62 00:02:12,275 --> 00:02:16,517 and we acted that, we played that out. 63 00:02:16,517 --> 00:02:19,379 I don't know why Meri hasn't left before now. 64 00:02:19,379 --> 00:02:20,896 I would have. 65 00:02:20,896 --> 00:02:22,310 [Sukanya] What do you think about the whole ring thing? 66 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:24,620 I don't know, I don't feel like it's all the way my place, 67 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:25,689 but here we are. 68 00:02:25,689 --> 00:02:28,103 So, Kody and Meri had a wedding ring. 69 00:02:28,103 --> 00:02:30,103 He melted down the ring, 70 00:02:30,103 --> 00:02:32,517 saved the gold, saved the diamonds... 71 00:02:32,517 --> 00:02:34,000 And it was over here 72 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,586 and my wedding ring was on, 73 00:02:35,586 --> 00:02:37,172 and, you know, I just went, 74 00:02:37,172 --> 00:02:39,827 "Those relationships are over." 75 00:02:39,827 --> 00:02:41,896 I don't know why he hates his life so much. 76 00:02:41,896 --> 00:02:44,067 But that's really sad, I've never heard him say that. 77 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:46,172 But it shows. 78 00:02:46,172 --> 00:02:48,172 How does he sabotage your relationship? 79 00:02:48,172 --> 00:02:51,655 Um... He picks fights with me. 80 00:02:52,206 --> 00:02:53,344 Why? 81 00:02:53,827 --> 00:02:54,896 You love her. 82 00:02:54,896 --> 00:02:57,206 Yeah, but I wanted to punish myself. 83 00:02:57,206 --> 00:02:58,793 They deserve to be happy. 84 00:02:58,793 --> 00:03:01,586 Go be happy with each other, for goodness sakes. 85 00:03:01,586 --> 00:03:03,551 Let the rest of us go. 86 00:03:04,379 --> 00:03:07,172 [Sukanya] This is Sister Wives One On One. 87 00:03:08,103 --> 00:03:09,689 [producer] Is that good? 88 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:11,896 Standby please, be very quiet. 89 00:03:11,896 --> 00:03:14,206 I don't know much about your relationship 90 00:03:14,206 --> 00:03:15,517 -with Janelle. -Yeah. 91 00:03:15,517 --> 00:03:18,517 Did you guys just have great sex? 92 00:03:18,517 --> 00:03:19,379 Mm. 93 00:03:20,275 --> 00:03:21,586 [Sukanya] I'm gonna ask that 94 00:03:21,586 --> 00:03:22,620 'cause if you're saying that you were just a piece of meat-- 95 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:23,482 [Kody] I won't answer that question. 96 00:03:23,482 --> 00:03:24,620 That's not what it is. 97 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:26,586 -These are loving relationships. -[Sukanya] Yeah. 98 00:03:26,586 --> 00:03:27,586 Sex is part of it. 99 00:03:27,586 --> 00:03:29,379 But let's not focus-- 100 00:03:29,379 --> 00:03:30,724 But was it a physical relationship 101 00:03:30,724 --> 00:03:32,758 where you both were just attracted to each other? 102 00:03:33,517 --> 00:03:35,034 No, is that... 103 00:03:35,793 --> 00:03:36,862 There was a... 104 00:03:37,379 --> 00:03:38,379 I don't know. 105 00:03:38,379 --> 00:03:40,000 She asked to be in the family. 106 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,206 For what reasons she thought was in this, 107 00:03:43,206 --> 00:03:44,896 but it was-- 108 00:03:44,896 --> 00:03:46,206 'Cause she loved you? 109 00:03:46,206 --> 00:03:48,000 No, she was attracted to me. 110 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,689 I know she wasn't in love with me. 111 00:03:50,413 --> 00:03:52,275 Most people fall in love first, right? 112 00:03:52,275 --> 00:03:54,413 Physically, they look at each other compatibly. 113 00:03:54,413 --> 00:03:56,793 You guys had this spiritual covenant between the two of you. 114 00:03:56,793 --> 00:03:58,620 There was definitely physical compatibility. 115 00:03:58,620 --> 00:03:59,689 -[Sukanya] Yeah. -Yeah. 116 00:03:59,689 --> 00:04:01,620 Well, I feel like... okay. 117 00:04:01,620 --> 00:04:04,689 -I feel like you've buried the lede all of these years... -[Janelle laughs] 118 00:04:04,689 --> 00:04:09,172 ...that you and Kody had a way more physical connection 119 00:04:09,586 --> 00:04:11,310 than... 120 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:14,068 -anybody had ever imagined. -[Janelle laughs] 121 00:04:14,068 --> 00:04:16,517 Yeah, because I'm not someone who goes around blabbing about that. 122 00:04:16,517 --> 00:04:18,206 It's not my... that's not me. 123 00:04:18,206 --> 00:04:19,379 I don't talk about that stuff. 124 00:04:19,379 --> 00:04:21,067 -[Sukanya] Yeah, but all those kids-- -Oh, he tatted? 125 00:04:21,067 --> 00:04:23,724 Listen, all those kids later, you gotta imagine-- 126 00:04:23,724 --> 00:04:25,689 No, I'll hint at it. But yes, of course. 127 00:04:25,689 --> 00:04:28,379 Everything was very good in that department. 128 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:31,103 [Sukanya] So, when you fought, make up, 129 00:04:31,103 --> 00:04:33,689 making up was really the best part of it all. 130 00:04:33,689 --> 00:04:34,620 Oh, yeah. 131 00:04:34,620 --> 00:04:37,275 I'm sitting here from a perspective of like, 132 00:04:37,275 --> 00:04:40,206 my whole family is dismantling. 133 00:04:40,206 --> 00:04:43,275 You know, and I'm reaching to this one to try and save. 134 00:04:43,275 --> 00:04:45,896 But why couldn't you in that moment say, 135 00:04:45,896 --> 00:04:48,689 "I want to reconcile with you. I love you." 136 00:04:48,689 --> 00:04:52,344 I do think I wanna stay separated for now. 137 00:04:52,689 --> 00:04:53,655 [Kody] Really? 138 00:04:54,827 --> 00:04:56,379 Really, you want to stay separated? 139 00:04:56,379 --> 00:04:57,551 Yeah, I do. 140 00:04:58,379 --> 00:04:59,689 No, no, no, no, no. 141 00:04:59,689 --> 00:05:01,275 No, I am not in that place. 142 00:05:01,275 --> 00:05:03,827 I am not wanting to pursue her. 143 00:05:03,827 --> 00:05:06,275 I'm not wanting to drop everything and say, 144 00:05:06,275 --> 00:05:09,310 "Baby, you're the be all end all, I want you." 145 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:10,379 I'm not there now. 146 00:05:10,379 --> 00:05:12,517 We haven't talked for four weeks. 147 00:05:12,517 --> 00:05:15,586 And I'm coming from a position where I feel totally betrayed. 148 00:05:15,586 --> 00:05:17,793 Now I'm ashamed of that fight 149 00:05:17,793 --> 00:05:20,068 because instead of communicating, 150 00:05:20,068 --> 00:05:23,000 it just was, boom, boom, boom triggers. 151 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,379 I need you to stop blaming me for everything 152 00:05:25,379 --> 00:05:28,000 and start being culpable for what you have done. 153 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,896 That is accountability. 154 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:32,000 You made this about all these other problems 155 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,793 that we have that we can't sleep on. 156 00:05:33,793 --> 00:05:34,931 -[Kody] I did not! -This became... 157 00:05:34,931 --> 00:05:37,689 -Yes, you did. -I did not, I did not, I did not. 158 00:05:37,689 --> 00:05:41,000 But now, I'm like, going, "I don't want to be triggered. 159 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,689 Let's see if we can reconcile. Let's talk about this." 160 00:05:43,689 --> 00:05:46,689 And she's going, "I think I want a separation." 161 00:05:46,689 --> 00:05:50,000 So, it's a fine line between like, "We got to make this work" 162 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,413 and "This is unfixable." 163 00:05:51,413 --> 00:05:54,172 Because I'm going through a process of... 164 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,068 just like she is. 165 00:05:57,068 --> 00:05:59,000 I know she's in this space 166 00:05:59,517 --> 00:06:03,000 where if we reconcile, 167 00:06:03,482 --> 00:06:05,310 will I lose myself 168 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:07,206 or will I find myself? 169 00:06:07,206 --> 00:06:09,896 I don't think Kody really does hold out hope for me. 170 00:06:09,896 --> 00:06:12,000 I think he likes the idea... 171 00:06:12,379 --> 00:06:16,103 of our family and... 172 00:06:16,103 --> 00:06:20,896 I think he feels like he promised Robyn a plural family. 173 00:06:20,896 --> 00:06:22,413 There's a little bit of his ego tied up, 174 00:06:22,413 --> 00:06:26,000 but I don't think it's about that he's holding out hope pining for me. 175 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,689 He's never really come to me and said, 176 00:06:27,689 --> 00:06:29,482 "Look, I really love you 177 00:06:29,482 --> 00:06:31,172 and I really wanna make this work." 178 00:06:32,172 --> 00:06:33,379 He's never said that? 179 00:06:33,379 --> 00:06:37,827 No, not like in that very deep, intimate connection way. 180 00:06:37,827 --> 00:06:40,551 I needed more of what was between us. 181 00:06:41,517 --> 00:06:43,275 For him, it became about 182 00:06:43,275 --> 00:06:44,689 I needed to co-parent, 183 00:06:44,689 --> 00:06:45,896 I needed to be less independent. 184 00:06:45,896 --> 00:06:47,103 I needed to do all these things 185 00:06:47,103 --> 00:06:49,931 in order to earn that relationship. 186 00:06:49,931 --> 00:06:53,379 And I'm like, "Dude, no. I don't need to earn a relationship. 187 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:55,068 I always felt like, 188 00:06:55,068 --> 00:06:58,413 I needed to do something to earn love to earn... 189 00:06:58,413 --> 00:06:59,482 earn acceptance 190 00:06:59,482 --> 00:07:02,206 or I had to do something a certain way 191 00:07:02,206 --> 00:07:06,000 and I didn't even realize how much stress I was under. 192 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,379 Kody's had really specific things that he liked. 193 00:07:08,379 --> 00:07:09,689 And when he came over, 194 00:07:09,689 --> 00:07:11,689 I wanna, you know, "Sure, let's go ahead 195 00:07:11,689 --> 00:07:13,586 and cook the kind of dinner that you like. 196 00:07:13,586 --> 00:07:15,896 Or make sure the house is cleaned a certain way 197 00:07:15,896 --> 00:07:17,793 or you know, whatever and things like that. 198 00:07:17,793 --> 00:07:20,586 I just wanted him to be comfortable in my home. 199 00:07:20,586 --> 00:07:23,206 Do you think that Kody ever saw that in you that loyalty... 200 00:07:23,206 --> 00:07:27,379 that loyalty that he is struggling to find 201 00:07:27,379 --> 00:07:29,275 -in Janelle right now? -No. 202 00:07:29,689 --> 00:07:31,379 He said that he did, 203 00:07:31,379 --> 00:07:33,689 you know years ago, 204 00:07:33,689 --> 00:07:36,517 but I don't think he saw that. 205 00:07:36,517 --> 00:07:38,965 I don't think what he saw he valued. 206 00:07:40,275 --> 00:07:41,724 But you're saying you're loyal and that's something 207 00:07:41,724 --> 00:07:43,758 that he really values right now. 208 00:07:44,689 --> 00:07:46,068 But it's not good enough. 209 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,689 You know, he would ask me to do things 210 00:07:48,689 --> 00:07:50,172 and asked me to be a certain way 211 00:07:50,172 --> 00:07:51,586 or asked me to fix a situation 212 00:07:51,586 --> 00:07:54,379 or asked me to share some information with him or whatever. 213 00:07:54,379 --> 00:07:58,000 All these things to be able to fix our relationship. 214 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,793 And I did every one of the things that he asked me to, 215 00:08:00,793 --> 00:08:02,275 and then it just wasn't good enough. 216 00:08:02,275 --> 00:08:04,931 So, it just came down to... 217 00:08:04,931 --> 00:08:08,000 I mean, you're asking if loyalty was enough, 218 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,482 and it wasn't for him. 219 00:08:09,482 --> 00:08:11,655 Was he just not emotionally available to you? 220 00:08:12,275 --> 00:08:13,068 Correct. 221 00:08:14,310 --> 00:08:15,793 Yeah. 222 00:08:15,793 --> 00:08:18,482 Is it hard for you to see him be emotionally available to somebody else? 223 00:08:18,482 --> 00:08:20,068 Yeah, yep. 224 00:08:20,068 --> 00:08:22,000 Is that like a dagger in your heart? 225 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,551 [laughs sarcastically] It's like a knife in my kidneys. 226 00:08:26,586 --> 00:08:29,379 Man, just the knife in the kidneys 227 00:08:29,379 --> 00:08:31,275 over all these years! 228 00:08:33,793 --> 00:08:36,206 -[laughing] Sorry. -[Sukanya] I know where that line is from. 229 00:08:36,206 --> 00:08:38,895 So, were you in love with Meri when you married her? 230 00:08:38,895 --> 00:08:41,448 I told her I loved her and I chose to love her. 231 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,931 And I chose to be romantic 232 00:08:43,931 --> 00:08:47,000 because she thinks I was madly head over heels over her 233 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,275 and it was not that experience for me. 234 00:08:51,275 --> 00:08:53,689 But I was always a life affirming person. 235 00:08:53,689 --> 00:08:55,655 I would always affirm what I wanted. 236 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,068 And so, I told her 237 00:08:57,068 --> 00:09:00,827 and did everything I could to love her. 238 00:09:00,827 --> 00:09:03,793 And she thinks we were mad about each other 239 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:05,344 and... 240 00:09:06,172 --> 00:09:08,586 we acted that, 241 00:09:08,586 --> 00:09:10,172 we played that out. 242 00:09:10,172 --> 00:09:12,275 That's gonna hurt when she hears that, you know that, right? 243 00:09:12,275 --> 00:09:16,137 It's just... I... It just... 244 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,827 Well, we did have a very romantic experience. 245 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:21,689 [Sukanya] Okay. 246 00:09:21,689 --> 00:09:24,655 We started out that way, but there was... 247 00:09:25,275 --> 00:09:27,655 a lot of dysfunction that we had. 248 00:09:28,103 --> 00:09:29,000 [Sukanya] Coming up... 249 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,793 So, do you think Robyn is pressuring Kody 250 00:09:30,793 --> 00:09:33,172 to rekindle the relationship at this point? 251 00:09:33,172 --> 00:09:35,000 Robyn wants Meri to stay so badly, 252 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,172 but there's no life for Meri. if she stays. 253 00:09:37,172 --> 00:09:40,068 -Did you expect more from Kody in that moment? -No. 254 00:09:40,068 --> 00:09:42,103 That was basically what I expected from him. 255 00:09:42,103 --> 00:09:43,724 -[Sukanya] Really? -Yeah. 256 00:09:43,724 --> 00:09:46,137 I don't know, it's kind of a big mess to me. 257 00:09:53,689 --> 00:09:55,793 [producer] All right, settle. And mark it please. 258 00:09:55,793 --> 00:09:56,896 [Sukanya] All right, Meri, 259 00:09:56,896 --> 00:09:58,448 talking about you moving your business. 260 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,413 It was a difficult decision 261 00:10:01,413 --> 00:10:03,482 -that you were making at that time. -Mm-hmm. 262 00:10:03,482 --> 00:10:07,620 And that decision to then tell Kody 263 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:09,000 along with Robyn 264 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,068 was even more heart wrenching for you 265 00:10:11,068 --> 00:10:12,413 as we saw play out... 266 00:10:12,413 --> 00:10:13,413 -Yeah. -...in this clip. 267 00:10:13,413 --> 00:10:14,896 -Let's take a look at it. -Okay. 268 00:10:14,896 --> 00:10:16,241 -And then, we'll talk about it. -Okay. 269 00:10:17,413 --> 00:10:20,379 Okay, well, thanks for coming over. 270 00:10:20,379 --> 00:10:21,896 I told Robyn this the other day 271 00:10:21,896 --> 00:10:24,655 and just thought I'd let you know... [laughs nervously] 272 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:27,068 ...that I am... 273 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,586 am... 274 00:10:29,586 --> 00:10:30,965 going to downsize. 275 00:10:34,172 --> 00:10:36,379 And get a smaller place and move 276 00:10:36,379 --> 00:10:38,965 my clothing business out to the B&B. 277 00:10:39,862 --> 00:10:41,862 Cool. That's good, right? 278 00:10:43,896 --> 00:10:46,586 -[Meri] So-- -[Robyn] It freaks me out. 279 00:10:46,586 --> 00:10:49,310 so I was stressed out about it 280 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:50,448 'cause I was worried. 281 00:10:50,689 --> 00:10:51,689 Oh. 282 00:10:51,689 --> 00:10:53,758 [Robyn] We just have to make sure that we're... 283 00:10:54,862 --> 00:10:55,931 scheduling. 284 00:10:56,172 --> 00:10:57,137 Yep. 285 00:11:00,413 --> 00:11:02,413 He's scowling at you. [laughs] 286 00:11:02,413 --> 00:11:03,862 [Kody] What... 287 00:11:03,862 --> 00:11:06,655 Like, in order for us to see each other. 288 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:09,344 Yeah. 289 00:11:09,344 --> 00:11:12,275 [laughing] There's some cognitive dissonance going on here. 290 00:11:12,482 --> 00:11:13,586 You know? 291 00:11:14,379 --> 00:11:17,103 We're not admitting where we're at. 292 00:11:17,103 --> 00:11:19,068 Robyn and Meri are still talking about 293 00:11:19,068 --> 00:11:21,172 this relationship that the three of us have, 294 00:11:21,172 --> 00:11:22,896 like we're a family. 295 00:11:22,896 --> 00:11:25,517 And what I'm gathering from what Robyn is saying 296 00:11:25,517 --> 00:11:27,482 is like, "Well, you gotta be around 297 00:11:27,482 --> 00:11:29,068 because this is your wife." 298 00:11:29,965 --> 00:11:31,137 And I'm like... 299 00:11:32,413 --> 00:11:35,344 "And I just don't need that kind of pressure from you." 300 00:11:36,379 --> 00:11:38,862 Sorry, I'm distracted by your ring, that's it. 301 00:11:38,862 --> 00:11:39,758 A different ring. 302 00:11:41,103 --> 00:11:42,206 [Kody] Just a ring. 303 00:11:42,206 --> 00:11:44,689 So, are you going to actually... [laughs nervously] 304 00:11:44,689 --> 00:11:47,103 -What? -...address the concern that you have? 305 00:11:47,103 --> 00:11:48,448 What concern? 306 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:50,793 [scoffs] 307 00:11:50,793 --> 00:11:52,000 No, I'm not gonna... 308 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,068 Why would I address that concern? 309 00:11:54,068 --> 00:11:58,379 Well, now you want us to make it something specifically clear, so. 310 00:11:58,379 --> 00:12:03,137 Fine. This does not mean I'm leaving the family or you. 311 00:12:03,758 --> 00:12:04,689 So... 312 00:12:04,689 --> 00:12:06,137 Okay, good on you, Meri. 313 00:12:06,896 --> 00:12:08,000 In my head, 314 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,586 I'm really wondering why she lives in Flagstaff. 315 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,068 Hm. 316 00:12:12,068 --> 00:12:15,482 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away 317 00:12:15,482 --> 00:12:18,586 because sorry, I still have hope. 318 00:12:18,586 --> 00:12:20,448 [Kody] Meri doesn't know what she wants. 319 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,413 But she's asking me. 320 00:12:22,413 --> 00:12:24,379 I'm just gonna throw out ideas. 321 00:12:24,379 --> 00:12:27,103 I want a place to put my car 322 00:12:27,103 --> 00:12:29,379 that I don't drive except for in the summer. 323 00:12:29,379 --> 00:12:31,586 I want a place to put my stuff. 324 00:12:32,965 --> 00:12:37,758 The barndominium is basically a big giant garage or barn 325 00:12:37,758 --> 00:12:39,896 that has a loft apartment in it. 326 00:12:39,896 --> 00:12:41,448 You could live in that loft. 327 00:12:42,896 --> 00:12:44,586 It could be about this big. 328 00:12:44,586 --> 00:12:47,758 He just wants to put me out there with all the stuff, 329 00:12:47,758 --> 00:12:48,965 the extra stuff 330 00:12:48,965 --> 00:12:51,103 that he doesn't want to see, he doesn't want to deal with. 331 00:12:51,103 --> 00:12:52,344 It's just insulting. 332 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,931 Well, thanks for letting me know. 333 00:12:55,379 --> 00:12:56,551 Yep. 334 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,586 [Robyn] She can really be in this, like, dark place 335 00:13:00,586 --> 00:13:02,862 and she'll go like, "Why am I trying?" 336 00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:04,793 I said, 337 00:13:04,793 --> 00:13:06,896 "Meri, if you don't want to try any more, 338 00:13:06,896 --> 00:13:10,103 I don't want to be selfish and keep you here." 339 00:13:10,103 --> 00:13:13,172 And she said, "Don't ever say that to me again." 340 00:13:15,965 --> 00:13:18,172 She says, "I need you to always... 341 00:13:19,172 --> 00:13:21,896 be fighting for our relationship 342 00:13:21,896 --> 00:13:24,793 because there's days when I am too weak 343 00:13:24,793 --> 00:13:26,000 to continue to fight. 344 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,965 I need someone else to fight." 345 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:33,586 I think I wanna talk about Kody's reaction. 346 00:13:33,586 --> 00:13:36,103 -Did you expect more from Kody in that moment? -No. 347 00:13:36,103 --> 00:13:37,586 I expected... 348 00:13:37,586 --> 00:13:40,241 -That was basically what I expected from him. -[Sukanya] Really? 349 00:13:40,482 --> 00:13:41,379 Yeah. 350 00:13:41,379 --> 00:13:44,068 I think at that point, I had hoped 351 00:13:44,068 --> 00:13:46,275 that there would be something different, 352 00:13:46,275 --> 00:13:48,413 but I didn't really expect anything. 353 00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:49,689 You know what I mean? 354 00:13:49,689 --> 00:13:51,689 And then you've got Robyn here, 355 00:13:51,689 --> 00:13:54,103 saying, you know, she's telling me to fight for her. 356 00:13:54,103 --> 00:13:55,793 She's telling me that she can't be strong 357 00:13:55,793 --> 00:13:56,965 and she needs somebody to fight. 358 00:13:56,965 --> 00:13:58,689 Did you actually asked her to do that? 359 00:13:58,689 --> 00:14:00,586 There were times years ago 360 00:14:00,586 --> 00:14:04,000 that we had those conversations. 361 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,862 Because, you know, she would say things like that, 362 00:14:06,862 --> 00:14:09,000 like, "It's okay if you want to go," you know? 363 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,620 Like, "Our family doesn't have to look the same way 364 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:12,793 that it always has." 365 00:14:12,793 --> 00:14:14,965 And I'm like, "Listen, this is not what I want. 366 00:14:14,965 --> 00:14:18,379 I want to hold to my commitment. 367 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:21,413 I want to hold to the promises that we made 368 00:14:21,413 --> 00:14:22,482 when we got married. 369 00:14:22,482 --> 00:14:24,620 I want to believe 370 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:27,103 that there is a part of him 371 00:14:27,103 --> 00:14:30,586 that is still the man that I married 372 00:14:30,586 --> 00:14:33,758 and wants the person that he married to. 373 00:14:33,758 --> 00:14:36,379 Did you hope that Kody was gonna react just a little bit differently? 374 00:14:36,379 --> 00:14:38,379 -Mm-hmm. -It's kind of like you were looking at him like, 375 00:14:39,068 --> 00:14:40,068 "Come on, Kody." 376 00:14:40,068 --> 00:14:42,172 Yeah, yeah. I'm like, looking at him going, 377 00:14:42,172 --> 00:14:46,000 "Listen, you know that she is very vulnerable here talking about this. 378 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,344 You know that she's... 379 00:14:49,103 --> 00:14:51,103 you know, hopeful 380 00:14:51,103 --> 00:14:52,586 -that-- -And when he reacted the way he did, 381 00:14:52,586 --> 00:14:54,344 were you disappointed? 382 00:14:55,172 --> 00:14:56,793 Yeah, just a little frustrated. 383 00:14:56,793 --> 00:15:01,000 It was like, "Okay, that's not helpful." 384 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 'Cause I don't... 385 00:15:04,586 --> 00:15:06,482 'Cause I didn't want her to leave. 386 00:15:06,482 --> 00:15:08,586 So, do you think Robyn is pressuring Kody 387 00:15:08,586 --> 00:15:11,000 to rekindle the relationship at this point? 388 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,620 I feel like, for years she's been telling Meri to, "Hold on, hold on, hold on." 389 00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:15,689 You know, "Stay, stay, stay." 390 00:15:15,689 --> 00:15:18,379 And I feel like, for years, Kody has been going, 391 00:15:18,379 --> 00:15:20,000 "Leave, leave, leave, leave, leave, leave." 392 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,620 You know, so I feel like, there's a big disconnect 393 00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:24,689 'cause Robyn wants Meri to stay so badly. 394 00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:26,241 But what, what... 395 00:15:26,896 --> 00:15:28,689 There's no life for Meri. 396 00:15:28,689 --> 00:15:31,000 There's no life for Meri if she stays. 397 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,068 She's been here for how long without a relationship, 398 00:15:34,068 --> 00:15:35,862 how long without a marriage, how... 399 00:15:35,862 --> 00:15:38,758 To occasionally see the kids, 400 00:15:38,758 --> 00:15:40,586 it's not enough, that's not a life. 401 00:15:40,586 --> 00:15:45,000 So, I just don't know what Robyn's motive is. 402 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,758 I don't know why 403 00:15:46,758 --> 00:15:51,689 she is pressuring Meri to stay 404 00:15:51,689 --> 00:15:54,000 in a situation where she's not happy. 405 00:15:54,689 --> 00:15:56,000 I understand what she's saying. 406 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,379 But at the same time, 407 00:15:57,379 --> 00:15:59,103 I see things from Kody. 408 00:15:59,103 --> 00:16:03,000 He gets kind of, he gets very inclusive about her. 409 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,896 He talks about how he needs to contact her, 410 00:16:04,896 --> 00:16:06,413 "It's been a while." 411 00:16:06,413 --> 00:16:10,517 And he really, it's like he considers her. 412 00:16:10,517 --> 00:16:13,965 Even though it's not the consideration that she wants, 413 00:16:14,586 --> 00:16:16,344 he does consider her. 414 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 -What do you think? -Well... 415 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,482 What Meri said, the last part. 416 00:16:20,482 --> 00:16:22,482 "It's almost like what Robyn wants..." 417 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:25,965 Me and Robyn wants Meri and I to reconcile 418 00:16:25,965 --> 00:16:30,000 and I've been frustrated by that pressure. 419 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,275 And she, from day one, has been advocating. 420 00:16:33,275 --> 00:16:36,965 She'd been, "You need to reconcile with Meri," for seven years. 421 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,793 Yeah, she's like, "You need to reconcile with Meri, 422 00:16:39,793 --> 00:16:41,275 you got to figure this out." 423 00:16:41,275 --> 00:16:44,068 But I don't feel any... 424 00:16:45,896 --> 00:16:48,448 I feel the emotions of friendship with Meri. 425 00:16:51,482 --> 00:16:52,689 I don't understand... 426 00:16:56,413 --> 00:16:58,000 Why she doesn't understand 427 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,206 that where our relationship is. 428 00:17:00,206 --> 00:17:03,068 I think she's in this position waiting 429 00:17:03,862 --> 00:17:04,896 for me to go, 430 00:17:04,896 --> 00:17:06,689 "Oh, no, don't move to Parowan. 431 00:17:06,689 --> 00:17:08,172 I'm worried that you're doing this." 432 00:17:08,172 --> 00:17:08,964 You know, stuff like that. 433 00:17:08,964 --> 00:17:11,448 I'm just like, in a place from... 434 00:17:13,378 --> 00:17:17,482 I'm not... I'm a little too ambivalent, to be fair. 435 00:17:17,482 --> 00:17:20,172 Well, have you ever told Robyn that you don't feel married to Meri? 436 00:17:20,172 --> 00:17:22,275 Yeah, of course, Robyn knows where I'm at. 437 00:17:22,862 --> 00:17:24,103 Do you think Robyn being there 438 00:17:24,103 --> 00:17:27,689 and kind of in-between, the go-between in that relationship, 439 00:17:27,689 --> 00:17:30,241 is that kind of giving' a sense of false hope? 440 00:17:30,793 --> 00:17:32,103 Um... 441 00:17:32,103 --> 00:17:36,379 No, I think Robyn really does try to advocate for Meri 442 00:17:36,862 --> 00:17:38,482 for better or for worse. 443 00:17:38,482 --> 00:17:41,068 As Robyn, I never would have put myself in that position. 444 00:17:41,068 --> 00:17:44,310 If Kody can't talk to Meri alone, 445 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:47,172 then they probably shouldn't be having any kind of conversations, 446 00:17:47,172 --> 00:17:49,551 but I know that Meri calls Robyn in. 447 00:17:51,103 --> 00:17:53,310 I don't know, it's kind of a big mess to me. 448 00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:55,482 Do you think Kody is just kind of afraid to... 449 00:17:55,482 --> 00:17:57,896 in front of Robyn say, 450 00:17:57,896 --> 00:18:00,586 "Hey, this is not working." 451 00:18:00,586 --> 00:18:01,586 No, I don't think so. 452 00:18:01,586 --> 00:18:04,482 Because he even would say it in front of me. 453 00:18:04,482 --> 00:18:06,103 I mean, he was very vocal with me, 454 00:18:06,103 --> 00:18:10,413 even that there was no hope of a relationship there. 455 00:18:10,413 --> 00:18:12,931 So, I don't think he's afraid to say it. 456 00:18:13,586 --> 00:18:15,517 There's been a lot of moments 457 00:18:15,517 --> 00:18:19,000 I feel where Kody has been emotionally so withdrawn from Meri, 458 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,310 but Meri has hope, a lot of hope. 459 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:25,172 I think you have hope and you have hope and you have hope 460 00:18:25,172 --> 00:18:27,586 until you realize you don't have hope anymore. 461 00:18:27,586 --> 00:18:32,103 And that realization that there's no hope anymore, 462 00:18:32,103 --> 00:18:36,068 it can still be a while after that until you can leave. 463 00:18:36,068 --> 00:18:37,862 I had hope for so long, for so long. 464 00:18:37,862 --> 00:18:39,482 And I imagine this is how Meri felt. 465 00:18:39,482 --> 00:18:41,586 Even though he was saying that, 466 00:18:41,586 --> 00:18:43,103 she still had hope. 467 00:18:43,103 --> 00:18:45,172 And there comes a time when you realize, 468 00:18:45,586 --> 00:18:48,482 "Oh, there is no hope." 469 00:18:48,482 --> 00:18:50,379 I will always love her. 470 00:18:51,103 --> 00:18:52,896 I can't be in love with her. 471 00:18:52,896 --> 00:18:54,965 It's not safe for me. 472 00:18:56,896 --> 00:18:58,793 And when I say that, there's... 473 00:18:58,793 --> 00:19:00,482 makeup any bull [bleep] you want, 474 00:19:00,482 --> 00:19:03,827 but I'm telling you, I'm not going to sit here and drive the bus over her. 475 00:19:04,275 --> 00:19:06,103 Because this is sad, 476 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:07,482 it's heartbreaking, 477 00:19:07,482 --> 00:19:10,413 it just didn't work. 478 00:19:10,413 --> 00:19:11,517 [Sukanya] Coming up... 479 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:14,517 -I had a separate conversation with Robyn. -Mm-hmm. 480 00:19:14,517 --> 00:19:18,068 And then, I asked her to come to this conversation with Kody. 481 00:19:18,068 --> 00:19:19,068 Why did you ask her? 482 00:19:19,068 --> 00:19:22,172 Because she speaks Kody. 483 00:19:22,172 --> 00:19:23,413 Do you think you speak Kody? 484 00:19:23,413 --> 00:19:25,413 I think I get Kody pretty well. 485 00:19:25,413 --> 00:19:27,413 Like, I feel like, I understand him, yeah. 486 00:19:27,413 --> 00:19:30,379 Robyn says that she can speak Kody and I'm like, "Bull [bleep]" 487 00:19:30,379 --> 00:19:32,586 Sorry. Okay, sorry. I'm going to be nice. 488 00:19:32,586 --> 00:19:33,482 No, I'm not. 489 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,586 [producer] Eleven, and mark it please. 490 00:19:45,586 --> 00:19:48,379 So, I had a separate conversation with Robyn. 491 00:19:48,379 --> 00:19:49,896 Mm-hmm. 492 00:19:49,896 --> 00:19:53,379 And then, I asked her to come to this conversation with Kody because-- 493 00:19:53,379 --> 00:19:54,482 [Sukanya] Oh, you asked her to be here? 494 00:19:54,482 --> 00:19:56,689 -Yeah, I asked her. -Wow. 495 00:19:56,689 --> 00:19:57,793 Why did you ask her? 496 00:19:57,793 --> 00:20:00,793 Because she speaks Kody. 497 00:20:00,793 --> 00:20:02,275 Do you think you speak Kody? 498 00:20:02,275 --> 00:20:03,413 You think you get Kody? 499 00:20:05,241 --> 00:20:07,275 I think I get Kody pretty well. 500 00:20:07,275 --> 00:20:09,655 Like, I feel like, I understand him, yeah. 501 00:20:09,655 --> 00:20:12,758 Do you think other wives get him, other Sister Wives? 502 00:20:12,758 --> 00:20:15,344 -I think they have the capacity to. -Yeah. 503 00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:17,137 I think sometimes they miss... 504 00:20:17,137 --> 00:20:19,000 He can be misunderstood very easily 505 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,068 because he says everything that's in his head. 506 00:20:22,068 --> 00:20:23,965 Most people filter it, he doesn't. 507 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,482 But I think that it's hard for other people to understand. 508 00:20:28,482 --> 00:20:30,000 Meri did ask her to be there. 509 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,275 I know it's because Robyn says that she can speak Kody 510 00:20:32,275 --> 00:20:33,689 and I'm like, "Bull [bleep]" 511 00:20:33,689 --> 00:20:35,758 Sorry. Okay, sorry. I'm going to be nice. 512 00:20:35,758 --> 00:20:36,689 No, I'm not. 513 00:20:36,689 --> 00:20:39,034 I have known Kody for... 514 00:20:39,034 --> 00:20:41,137 I met him when I was 18. 515 00:20:41,137 --> 00:20:42,379 What, 32 years ago. 516 00:20:42,379 --> 00:20:44,172 I've known Kody for a long time. 517 00:20:44,172 --> 00:20:45,896 And I can actually read Kody pretty well 518 00:20:45,896 --> 00:20:47,896 and I can speak Kody well, too. 519 00:20:47,896 --> 00:20:50,172 But Robyn convinced all of us 520 00:20:50,689 --> 00:20:52,551 that she could speak Kody 521 00:20:52,551 --> 00:20:55,241 and that she would mediate our relationships. 522 00:20:55,241 --> 00:20:57,275 I haven't asked one time to mediate our relationship 523 00:20:57,275 --> 00:20:59,448 and I remember going, "No, no, no, no. 524 00:20:59,448 --> 00:21:01,793 Girl, you know him. You can talk to him yourself. 525 00:21:01,793 --> 00:21:03,241 You're just fine." 526 00:21:03,241 --> 00:21:06,103 She convinced all of us that she needed to be there in the relationship. 527 00:21:06,103 --> 00:21:07,655 That she can speak Kody and we can't. 528 00:21:08,275 --> 00:21:09,551 [chuckles] 529 00:21:09,551 --> 00:21:10,344 She always, like... 530 00:21:10,344 --> 00:21:12,137 It's always this Robyn speaks Kody. 531 00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:16,275 I'm like, "Well, I don't know if I really need someone to translate for me." 532 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,689 We've been married a long time, 533 00:21:17,689 --> 00:21:19,137 we did okay without you. 534 00:21:19,137 --> 00:21:21,379 I think I speak Kody. 535 00:21:21,379 --> 00:21:23,689 But she likes to position herself as, like, "I speak Kody." 536 00:21:23,689 --> 00:21:25,482 She says that to my children. 537 00:21:25,482 --> 00:21:27,068 Wanting to come over, 538 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:29,275 like, in the past, she said, "Why don't you have a conversation with your dad? 539 00:21:29,275 --> 00:21:31,586 -I'll be there 'cause, you know, I speak Kody." -Mm-hmm. 540 00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:33,000 And my kids are like, "It's our dad. 541 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,793 We don't really need you to speak Kody." 542 00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:36,862 It does bug me, that one does bug me. 543 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:38,586 -Mm-hmm. -[Janelle] I speak Kody. 544 00:21:38,586 --> 00:21:40,379 Well, Kody can speak for himself. 545 00:21:40,379 --> 00:21:41,551 He's a grown-ass man. 546 00:21:42,448 --> 00:21:43,896 I just have to own my truth 547 00:21:43,896 --> 00:21:46,241 and if that truth hurts him, 548 00:21:46,965 --> 00:21:48,586 you know, I'm sorry for that. 549 00:21:48,586 --> 00:21:52,448 And I completely accept the fact 550 00:21:52,448 --> 00:21:54,034 that he's gonna do the same thing. 551 00:21:54,034 --> 00:21:56,896 There's gonna be things that he's gonna say that are gonna really hurt me 552 00:21:56,896 --> 00:21:58,103 and I'll get mad about it 553 00:21:58,103 --> 00:22:00,896 and I'll just have to deal with it. 554 00:22:00,896 --> 00:22:02,344 Yeah, but something that he has said 555 00:22:02,344 --> 00:22:03,689 that has really hurt you. 556 00:22:03,689 --> 00:22:04,827 [sighs] 557 00:22:05,896 --> 00:22:07,068 Um... 558 00:22:08,103 --> 00:22:10,241 Well, in that clip, 559 00:22:10,241 --> 00:22:11,758 -you know, when-- -[Sukanya] Oh, the barndominium? 560 00:22:11,758 --> 00:22:14,000 Yeah, "Let's see. Let's put you out in the barn." 561 00:22:15,379 --> 00:22:18,586 You know, that wasn't very nice. 562 00:22:18,586 --> 00:22:21,275 You know, but it's also, it's what he feels. 563 00:22:21,275 --> 00:22:25,896 You know, like, I can't, like, fault him for saying what he feels. 564 00:22:25,896 --> 00:22:28,379 And then, the way you interpreted it, 565 00:22:28,379 --> 00:22:31,137 saying like, "Oh, I'm back there with all the clothes that-- 566 00:22:31,137 --> 00:22:32,448 All right! 567 00:22:32,448 --> 00:22:35,000 The car that he drives only in the summertime and, you know-- 568 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,482 But then, when he was like, you know, 569 00:22:37,482 --> 00:22:39,482 "Robyn, don't put this pressure on me 570 00:22:39,482 --> 00:22:42,000 of the fact that we're a family 571 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:42,965 'cause we're not. 572 00:22:42,965 --> 00:22:45,000 You know, there's this cognitive dissonance. 573 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,137 And I'm like, "Well, maybe you should have communicated that we weren't." 574 00:22:49,137 --> 00:22:51,586 And then, maybe I wouldn't be acting 575 00:22:51,586 --> 00:22:55,275 like I'm trying to still be part of the family. 576 00:22:55,275 --> 00:22:57,517 I saw your reaction to the barndominium. 577 00:22:58,689 --> 00:23:00,689 Oh, how insulting. Oh, good God. 578 00:23:00,689 --> 00:23:02,379 How insulting is that? 579 00:23:02,379 --> 00:23:06,551 "Why don't you live with all of my garbage 580 00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:09,000 and all of the stuff I don't really want. 581 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,896 We can make it look really cool. 582 00:23:11,896 --> 00:23:15,137 Let's have the perception of something cool. 583 00:23:15,137 --> 00:23:18,344 But really, what you're going to be is sleeping with my garbage 584 00:23:18,344 --> 00:23:20,172 and the stuff I don't really care about." 585 00:23:20,172 --> 00:23:22,379 That was one of the most insulting things I've ever heard. 586 00:23:22,379 --> 00:23:24,862 And I think he was thinking, he was being benevolent. 587 00:23:24,862 --> 00:23:26,379 She stuck around. 588 00:23:26,379 --> 00:23:28,586 And for him just to discard her like that. 589 00:23:28,586 --> 00:23:29,586 [Sukanya] Mm-hmm. 590 00:23:30,275 --> 00:23:31,793 What do you think about the whole ring thing? 591 00:23:31,793 --> 00:23:35,068 [laughing] The ring thing is so funny. 592 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:36,241 Meri noticed it right away. 593 00:23:36,241 --> 00:23:38,103 Oh, okay, that's because there's a backstory here. 594 00:23:38,103 --> 00:23:40,655 And I don't know, I don't feel like it's all the way my place, 595 00:23:40,655 --> 00:23:41,793 but here we are. 596 00:23:41,793 --> 00:23:44,241 So, Kody and Meri had a wedding ring 597 00:23:44,241 --> 00:23:46,586 that right... I... 598 00:23:46,586 --> 00:23:49,758 Robyn was in the picture, I don't know if they were married quite yet. 599 00:23:49,758 --> 00:23:51,758 He melted down the ring, 600 00:23:51,758 --> 00:23:54,379 saved the gold, saved the diamonds. 601 00:23:54,379 --> 00:23:55,689 Well, Meri found out. 602 00:23:55,689 --> 00:23:57,862 She was like, "Where's my ring? You don't wearing it anymore?" 603 00:23:57,862 --> 00:23:59,172 He's like, "I melted it down." 604 00:23:59,172 --> 00:24:00,344 Just like that. 605 00:24:00,344 --> 00:24:02,000 And I was like... 606 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,275 He's like, "I didn't want Meri to have control over me and power over me anymore." 607 00:24:05,275 --> 00:24:08,172 I'm like, "It's still your wedding ring. 608 00:24:08,172 --> 00:24:13,379 It's what you've had for 15, however many years, right? 609 00:24:13,379 --> 00:24:15,689 So, we all got together and we got him a ring. 610 00:24:15,689 --> 00:24:16,965 And we bought him a ring together. 611 00:24:16,965 --> 00:24:18,448 It was a cotter ring. 612 00:24:18,448 --> 00:24:20,275 We all went in on the design, the four of us. 613 00:24:20,275 --> 00:24:21,448 We got him the ring, 614 00:24:21,448 --> 00:24:23,172 and that's what he wore for a long time. 615 00:24:23,172 --> 00:24:25,896 And then, he designed his own ring with Robyn. 616 00:24:25,896 --> 00:24:27,689 He and Robyn designed a ring together that he wore. 617 00:24:27,689 --> 00:24:30,551 I'm like, "Okay, whatever, we can all see what it's like." 618 00:24:30,551 --> 00:24:32,379 And so, him having a new ring now, 619 00:24:32,379 --> 00:24:33,482 I'm sure from Robyn. 620 00:24:33,482 --> 00:24:35,172 I'm sure they went together and bought a ring 621 00:24:35,172 --> 00:24:37,896 because maybe it's signifying a new beginning for them 622 00:24:37,896 --> 00:24:39,275 or new things or something like that. 623 00:24:39,275 --> 00:24:40,206 I don't know. 624 00:24:51,379 --> 00:24:52,965 Um... [clears throat] 625 00:25:01,896 --> 00:25:06,068 I am extremely frustrated right now. 626 00:25:07,482 --> 00:25:08,620 Beyond. 627 00:25:10,103 --> 00:25:11,862 Um... [clears throat] 628 00:25:13,586 --> 00:25:16,482 After we did the taping 629 00:25:16,482 --> 00:25:18,724 for the One On One interviews with Suki... 630 00:25:20,896 --> 00:25:25,000 I found out that a story was brought up about me. 631 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,724 That is not a story that I have ever shared publicly. 632 00:25:28,586 --> 00:25:30,241 That is my story to tell 633 00:25:31,172 --> 00:25:34,482 when, where and how I want to. 634 00:25:34,482 --> 00:25:38,103 And somebody else took it upon themselves to tell that story. 635 00:25:38,103 --> 00:25:41,241 And now, I'm being forced to talk about it. 636 00:25:42,482 --> 00:25:44,103 I'm not happy about it. 637 00:25:46,379 --> 00:25:48,551 It was not Christine's business to tell. 638 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:51,793 She can laugh about it all she wants, 639 00:25:51,793 --> 00:25:54,482 but it was not her business to tell. 640 00:25:54,482 --> 00:25:58,413 If I wanted to have shared that story in the last 13 years 641 00:25:58,896 --> 00:26:00,379 in a public way, 642 00:26:00,379 --> 00:26:02,482 I would have done that. 643 00:26:02,482 --> 00:26:04,379 She doesn't get to come on here 644 00:26:04,379 --> 00:26:07,344 and tell my story 645 00:26:08,689 --> 00:26:10,551 without me even knowing it. 646 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,793 And me finding out later 647 00:26:12,793 --> 00:26:13,793 that this is what happened. 648 00:26:13,793 --> 00:26:16,344 And so, now I feel like my hand is being forced 649 00:26:16,344 --> 00:26:18,620 and I have to tell my story. 650 00:26:22,689 --> 00:26:24,379 So right around the time 651 00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:26,241 that Robyn came into the family 652 00:26:26,241 --> 00:26:28,827 and I honestly, I cannot remember 653 00:26:29,793 --> 00:26:32,172 if she was married or if they were dating, 654 00:26:32,172 --> 00:26:34,896 I want to say that they were just dating or courting. 655 00:26:34,896 --> 00:26:37,103 And he had kind of talked about... 656 00:26:37,103 --> 00:26:39,862 Kody had kind of talked about 657 00:26:39,862 --> 00:26:44,586 not wearing the wedding ring that I gave to him anymore. 658 00:26:44,586 --> 00:26:46,551 And it was right around that same time. 659 00:26:47,965 --> 00:26:49,965 He had told me 660 00:26:49,965 --> 00:26:53,344 that he did not want me to have claim on him. 661 00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:57,413 He didn't think that it was fair that I had claim on him. 662 00:26:57,862 --> 00:26:59,344 And so, 663 00:26:59,344 --> 00:27:02,931 his way of doing that was to melt down the wedding ring. 664 00:27:05,068 --> 00:27:06,655 That was a symbol, 665 00:27:06,655 --> 00:27:08,551 that was a sign of... 666 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,758 like, our marriage and our commitment 667 00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:12,655 and he... 668 00:27:13,586 --> 00:27:14,862 melted it down. 669 00:27:18,034 --> 00:27:20,689 Who's to say that he didn't just melt down 670 00:27:20,689 --> 00:27:22,827 our whole relationship in that moment. 671 00:27:24,482 --> 00:27:27,655 Symbolically, that's what he did to me. 672 00:27:31,379 --> 00:27:33,000 Because I remember asking him, 673 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,275 "If you're not gonna wear it, 674 00:27:34,275 --> 00:27:37,034 can I just have it? Can I keep it?" 675 00:27:37,862 --> 00:27:39,103 "Oh, no, I melted it down. 676 00:27:39,103 --> 00:27:41,068 I didn't want you to have any claim on me." 677 00:27:45,379 --> 00:27:46,344 [sniffles] 678 00:27:53,482 --> 00:27:56,586 It was a very, very painful situation. 679 00:27:56,586 --> 00:28:01,620 This thing with Kody telling me that I didn't have any claim on him 680 00:28:02,137 --> 00:28:03,482 or on our marriage, 681 00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:05,172 and him melting down 682 00:28:06,379 --> 00:28:07,482 like a symbol, 683 00:28:07,482 --> 00:28:10,862 like a very important symbol of our marriage 684 00:28:11,241 --> 00:28:12,310 happened... 685 00:28:14,482 --> 00:28:19,482 probably seven years prior to the catfishing. 686 00:28:19,482 --> 00:28:23,448 And I spent those seven years trying to like, 687 00:28:23,448 --> 00:28:25,551 be in this relationship with Kody 688 00:28:25,551 --> 00:28:28,413 that he did not want to be in with me. 689 00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:35,862 Was it things like that that had happened throughout all these years 690 00:28:37,172 --> 00:28:41,241 leading up to me just wanting to have a friend... 691 00:28:43,172 --> 00:28:45,758 'Cause Lord knows I didn't have any in my family. 692 00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:51,413 Christine shared this... 693 00:28:52,275 --> 00:28:55,758 -Okay. -...that when they all were together 694 00:28:55,758 --> 00:28:58,034 -when you came into the picture, -[Robyn] 695 00:28:58,034 --> 00:29:00,103 Meri had given him a gold ring, 696 00:29:00,103 --> 00:29:02,379 and then he kind of wore that gold ring. 697 00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:05,482 But then, he melted down the gold ring 698 00:29:05,482 --> 00:29:06,896 that Meri had given him 699 00:29:06,896 --> 00:29:08,275 when you came into-- 700 00:29:08,275 --> 00:29:11,103 -No, he had done that before I came along. -Okay. 701 00:29:11,103 --> 00:29:13,379 [Robyn] It wasn't when I came in the family. 702 00:29:13,379 --> 00:29:15,000 It was way before that, 703 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,689 'cause he wasn't wearing a wedding ring 704 00:29:18,689 --> 00:29:20,275 -when I met him. -[Sukanya] Oh, okay. 705 00:29:20,275 --> 00:29:22,068 The other thing is your ring. 706 00:29:22,068 --> 00:29:23,379 -Remember, Meri pointed it out. -Yeah. 707 00:29:23,379 --> 00:29:25,482 She said, "Oh, what about the ring? I'm staring at your ring." 708 00:29:25,482 --> 00:29:26,517 Tell me about the ring. 709 00:29:28,586 --> 00:29:31,448 -I just saw this really cool ring. -Okay. 710 00:29:31,448 --> 00:29:33,068 It was way nicer. 711 00:29:33,068 --> 00:29:35,034 I went, "That's cool, I want that." 712 00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:36,344 And it was over here 713 00:29:36,344 --> 00:29:38,034 and my wedding ring was on 714 00:29:38,034 --> 00:29:40,689 and some things happened 715 00:29:40,689 --> 00:29:41,896 and I went... 716 00:29:43,034 --> 00:29:46,241 you know, I just went, "Those relationships are over." 717 00:29:47,689 --> 00:29:49,103 And went like this. 718 00:29:49,103 --> 00:29:50,896 And I went, "You know, like, if I could save 719 00:29:50,896 --> 00:29:52,103 my relationship with Janelle, 720 00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:55,344 that's the only one that's got any potential left now. 721 00:29:56,344 --> 00:29:58,068 Wow, so, you took the cotter ring off 722 00:29:58,068 --> 00:29:59,655 -just to say-- -"Yeah, the cotter ring is off, I'm done." 723 00:30:00,137 --> 00:30:01,448 It's a new beginning. 724 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,034 [Sukanya] Coming up... 725 00:30:03,034 --> 00:30:05,068 Like, "Why don't you just say the words finally? 726 00:30:05,068 --> 00:30:06,448 Why don't you just tell me?" 727 00:30:06,448 --> 00:30:07,689 He's not saying it. 728 00:30:07,689 --> 00:30:10,965 He just says the things that are not kind. 729 00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:13,379 And I'm not gonna just be like, 730 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:15,896 "Well, you're a jerk, so I'm leaving." 731 00:30:15,896 --> 00:30:18,206 -"Meri, what do you need in this marriage... -Right. 732 00:30:18,862 --> 00:30:20,793 ...I can't give you that. 733 00:30:20,793 --> 00:30:22,103 We can fake through this. 734 00:30:22,103 --> 00:30:25,862 And I'm willing to actually put more effort into that fake 735 00:30:25,862 --> 00:30:26,862 if you want to." 736 00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:39,068 What weren't you receiving 737 00:30:39,068 --> 00:30:41,758 when he's putting that out there? 738 00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:45,241 I know the kind of person that he can be. 739 00:30:45,655 --> 00:30:46,793 I've seen it. 740 00:30:46,793 --> 00:30:49,758 I've seen the kind Kody Brown. 741 00:30:49,758 --> 00:30:53,034 I've seen the happy Kody Brown. 742 00:30:53,034 --> 00:30:57,000 -I've seen the giving and the loving Kody Brown. -Mm-hmm. 743 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,034 And I fully expected that to come back around. 744 00:31:02,034 --> 00:31:03,000 Hm. 745 00:31:04,448 --> 00:31:06,241 But instead you're in the barndominium. 746 00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,000 Oh, I'm not. I am not in a barndominium. 747 00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:11,896 It's just those kinds of things 748 00:31:11,896 --> 00:31:15,103 that led me closer and closer and closer to be like, 749 00:31:15,103 --> 00:31:19,034 "Really, like, why don't you just say the words finally? 750 00:31:19,034 --> 00:31:20,862 Why don't you just tell me? 751 00:31:20,862 --> 00:31:22,310 Instead of all this... 752 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,482 I don't even know. 753 00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:29,793 It's like, he's not saying it. 754 00:31:29,793 --> 00:31:33,034 He just says the things that are not kind. 755 00:31:33,034 --> 00:31:35,379 And I'm not gonna just be like, 756 00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:37,965 "Well, you're a jerk, so I'm leaving 757 00:31:38,551 --> 00:31:39,896 this committed marriage. 758 00:31:39,896 --> 00:31:43,793 I take my commitment more serious than that. 759 00:31:43,793 --> 00:31:45,965 So, in our faith, 760 00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:48,586 when we got married, 761 00:31:48,586 --> 00:31:50,068 when he and I got married, 762 00:31:50,068 --> 00:31:54,379 it was a marriage of an eternal nature. 763 00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:57,448 So, after so many years 764 00:31:57,448 --> 00:32:00,689 of him not coming around and him, like... 765 00:32:00,689 --> 00:32:04,241 for lack of a better word, abandoning me emotionally, 766 00:32:04,241 --> 00:32:05,206 you know, like... 767 00:32:06,793 --> 00:32:09,275 And then, saying all these mean things. 768 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,103 Yeah. 769 00:32:10,103 --> 00:32:11,482 It's very, very hurtful 770 00:32:11,482 --> 00:32:13,275 and it just leads to me 771 00:32:13,275 --> 00:32:17,448 when I'm ready to do the move for my clothing business 772 00:32:17,448 --> 00:32:18,758 up to the B&B. 773 00:32:19,793 --> 00:32:22,000 I wanted to do it. 774 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,586 The real damage here is, like, anything that I say 775 00:32:24,586 --> 00:32:26,655 is gonna be like, ripping that wound back open 776 00:32:26,655 --> 00:32:28,034 and I just don't want to say it. 777 00:32:28,034 --> 00:32:30,482 It's like I love her 778 00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:32,758 and want her to have a happy life. 779 00:32:32,758 --> 00:32:37,103 But I don't think her and I can functionally be in a relationship 780 00:32:37,689 --> 00:32:39,344 of marriage. 781 00:32:39,344 --> 00:32:42,103 There's other big conversation that happened at this moment, too. 782 00:32:42,103 --> 00:32:46,206 This is the conversation between you, Meri and Robyn, 783 00:32:46,689 --> 00:32:50,034 where basically, it was over 784 00:32:50,034 --> 00:32:52,275 and it was a difficult time, it was a pivotal moment. 785 00:32:52,275 --> 00:32:55,137 This one's pivotal, I am aware, let's go. 786 00:32:56,137 --> 00:32:58,413 [Mire] 787 00:33:00,068 --> 00:33:02,931 -What needs to be talked about? -You and me. 788 00:33:04,896 --> 00:33:06,965 Meri, we have had those discussions. 789 00:33:07,482 --> 00:33:08,758 [Meri sighs] 790 00:33:09,655 --> 00:33:10,655 Yeah. 791 00:33:11,862 --> 00:33:15,758 [Kody] 792 00:33:15,758 --> 00:33:17,517 Yeah, they're very clear. 793 00:33:19,344 --> 00:33:20,896 He said, "Don't you understand, Meri, 794 00:33:20,896 --> 00:33:23,103 this is never going to happen. 795 00:33:23,103 --> 00:33:25,793 I have no interest in having a relationship with you. 796 00:33:25,793 --> 00:33:29,241 Your life is not one that I wanna insert myself into. 797 00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:32,172 Like, I'll never forget those words. 798 00:33:32,172 --> 00:33:35,034 You've been feeling like we would reconcile. 799 00:33:35,034 --> 00:33:38,344 I have felt like 800 00:33:39,482 --> 00:33:41,000 that we could, 801 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,448 if given the chance, 802 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,689 learn who each other are, 803 00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:47,137 like, re-learn who we are now. 804 00:33:47,137 --> 00:33:50,793 Because I don't think that we know who we are now. 805 00:33:50,793 --> 00:33:55,000 When he told me that he has no desire to ever work on our relationship 806 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,068 and for our marriage 807 00:33:58,689 --> 00:34:00,241 to ever heal, 808 00:34:00,241 --> 00:34:05,689 like that was very, very painful for me. 809 00:34:05,689 --> 00:34:08,482 And I felt my heart, like, really speeding up 810 00:34:08,482 --> 00:34:09,724 because I'm like... 811 00:34:12,068 --> 00:34:13,896 "But you promised." 812 00:34:13,896 --> 00:34:15,000 You know? 813 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000 [sniffles] 814 00:34:24,275 --> 00:34:26,275 [Kody] I'm trying to be totally honest. 815 00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:30,655 You want something that we can't have together. 816 00:34:31,447 --> 00:34:34,379 Time changes and things, you know, like, 817 00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:36,896 what you're looking for is something very different 818 00:34:36,896 --> 00:34:37,965 and it was... 819 00:34:39,379 --> 00:34:41,068 I sort of felt like, there was... 820 00:34:43,551 --> 00:34:46,103 A lot of what was there was just naivety. 821 00:34:46,103 --> 00:34:48,344 And I was sincere three years ago 822 00:34:48,344 --> 00:34:50,344 when I was saying, "Let's see if we can make this work." 823 00:34:50,344 --> 00:34:51,379 [Meri] Four years ago. 824 00:34:51,379 --> 00:34:52,241 Four years ago. 825 00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:54,103 And I was very confused 826 00:34:55,034 --> 00:34:57,793 why nothing ever happened after that. 827 00:34:57,793 --> 00:35:01,586 I was so excited at that anniversary when you said that. 828 00:35:01,586 --> 00:35:04,000 At our first anniversary here in Flagstaff, 829 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,551 he's like, "Cheers to a new beginning." 830 00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:09,241 Well... 831 00:35:09,896 --> 00:35:11,896 nothing really happened. 832 00:35:11,896 --> 00:35:14,793 And by our next anniversary, 833 00:35:14,793 --> 00:35:17,965 which was the year of COVID... [laughs nervously] 834 00:35:18,862 --> 00:35:20,000 ...we went out on a drive 835 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,793 and it started this whole conversation 836 00:35:21,793 --> 00:35:23,172 and it was... 837 00:35:23,965 --> 00:35:26,793 It was a pretty intense conversation. 838 00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:28,482 No, I told you 839 00:35:28,482 --> 00:35:30,103 that I didn't think it was gonna work. 840 00:35:30,103 --> 00:35:33,206 [Meri] You were not, I did not feel like... 841 00:35:35,137 --> 00:35:36,896 that you were very clear on it 842 00:35:36,896 --> 00:35:39,241 and, like, definite with it with me 843 00:35:40,172 --> 00:35:42,413 until this year on our anniversary, 844 00:35:43,172 --> 00:35:44,344 like, six months ago, 845 00:35:44,896 --> 00:35:46,344 seven months ago, whenever. 846 00:35:47,758 --> 00:35:50,620 I didn't know it was a definite until then. 847 00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:53,310 Hm. 848 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:57,172 [Meri] And then, when you said you didn't consider yourself married to me, 849 00:35:57,172 --> 00:35:58,551 I was like, "Okay." 850 00:36:01,103 --> 00:36:02,413 I didn't know that either. 851 00:36:03,896 --> 00:36:06,689 I saw him say publicly, 852 00:36:06,689 --> 00:36:09,068 "I don't even consider marrying my wife. 853 00:36:09,068 --> 00:36:11,586 And if she were to go find another guy, 854 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:12,862 it wouldn't bother me." 855 00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:16,758 And that was a turning point for me. 856 00:36:19,379 --> 00:36:20,758 Am I being fair with you? 857 00:36:21,793 --> 00:36:23,896 You've been honest with me. 858 00:36:23,896 --> 00:36:26,137 You're being kind and I appreciate that. 859 00:36:29,275 --> 00:36:31,448 Doesn't mean I'm not mad at you for... 860 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:40,137 not giving me what we promised each other. 861 00:36:43,655 --> 00:36:45,448 I know that you don't feel 862 00:36:47,586 --> 00:36:49,758 or consider yourself married to me. 863 00:36:51,172 --> 00:36:54,034 -[Robyn] -[Mire laughs] 864 00:37:00,068 --> 00:37:02,172 Hey, he feels it. 865 00:37:02,172 --> 00:37:03,793 And that's fair for him to say. 866 00:37:03,793 --> 00:37:05,344 Kody and I disagree on this, 867 00:37:05,344 --> 00:37:07,655 but I don't think that he has. 868 00:37:09,172 --> 00:37:13,172 -[Meri] Okay-- -This is the agreement you required of me 869 00:37:13,172 --> 00:37:15,137 in order to get married. 870 00:37:17,793 --> 00:37:20,655 This agreement that I gave you, 871 00:37:21,344 --> 00:37:23,517 our sacred covenant 872 00:37:25,275 --> 00:37:29,344 was if I'm ever not in love with you, 873 00:37:29,344 --> 00:37:31,103 I won't just sit there 874 00:37:31,103 --> 00:37:33,448 and be in a pathetic place with you. 875 00:37:34,689 --> 00:37:37,137 You made me promise you that. 876 00:37:40,103 --> 00:37:42,724 But that doesn't mean the marriage is over. 877 00:37:44,379 --> 00:37:46,689 [Meri] How is it fair to be in a marriage 878 00:37:46,689 --> 00:37:49,448 when there's nothing there? 879 00:37:51,241 --> 00:37:53,344 I can't do it one-sided, Robyn. 880 00:37:56,172 --> 00:37:57,310 I've tried. 881 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,655 I know, I know. 882 00:38:13,689 --> 00:38:16,172 [Mire] And I'm not gonna continue living lonely either. 883 00:38:18,551 --> 00:38:19,517 It's not fair to me. 884 00:38:23,275 --> 00:38:24,137 So, walk me through that. 885 00:38:24,137 --> 00:38:27,172 How did we get here to this point 886 00:38:27,172 --> 00:38:30,551 where we're looking at you and Meri-- 887 00:38:30,551 --> 00:38:33,103 Yeah, I think Meri and I had a conversation 888 00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:35,655 that day or the day before, 889 00:38:36,172 --> 00:38:37,793 in private. 890 00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:40,172 Or it's just a little bit more of an awareness. 891 00:38:40,172 --> 00:38:41,862 -Mm. -[Kody] It was just like, 892 00:38:41,862 --> 00:38:45,344 this is the issue in a breakup. 893 00:38:45,793 --> 00:38:47,275 Meri wants love 894 00:38:47,275 --> 00:38:49,689 in a specific format, in a specific way, 895 00:38:49,689 --> 00:38:51,275 it's something that she wants. 896 00:38:51,275 --> 00:38:53,482 And I have a different kind of love 897 00:38:53,482 --> 00:38:56,034 and a specific way and format for her. 898 00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:59,068 And it was more like, "Meri, what you need in this marriage..." 899 00:38:59,068 --> 00:39:01,586 This conversation happened before the one where we break up. 900 00:39:01,586 --> 00:39:04,551 -Yeah. -"Meri, what do you need in this marriage, 901 00:39:05,172 --> 00:39:07,172 I can't give you that. 902 00:39:07,172 --> 00:39:08,586 We can fake through this. 903 00:39:08,586 --> 00:39:10,172 And I'm willing to actually 904 00:39:10,172 --> 00:39:13,482 put more effort into that fake if you want to, 905 00:39:13,482 --> 00:39:17,034 but what you're asking for, I don't have to give you 906 00:39:17,034 --> 00:39:19,137 and that's when she said, 907 00:39:21,379 --> 00:39:23,586 "I can't. I can't do that." 908 00:39:23,586 --> 00:39:24,482 [Sukanya] Coming up... 909 00:39:24,482 --> 00:39:27,379 In September is when I saw where he said, 910 00:39:27,379 --> 00:39:30,241 "I don't even consider her a wife," 911 00:39:30,241 --> 00:39:31,482 referring to me. 912 00:39:31,482 --> 00:39:34,379 She said that Kody never told her straight to her face. 913 00:39:34,379 --> 00:39:36,172 I guess because he told me so much, 914 00:39:36,172 --> 00:39:37,586 I figured he was telling her. 915 00:39:37,586 --> 00:39:41,758 If he wasn't then that's a really unfair and uncool thing to do. 916 00:39:49,103 --> 00:39:51,172 [Meri on tape] I can't do it one-sided, Robyn. 917 00:39:51,758 --> 00:39:52,862 I've tried. 918 00:39:58,793 --> 00:40:01,344 And I'm not gonna continue living lonely either. 919 00:40:01,862 --> 00:40:03,689 [sniffles] 920 00:40:03,689 --> 00:40:04,965 It's not fair to me. 921 00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:10,344 Okay, before we saw this, 922 00:40:10,344 --> 00:40:12,379 you mentioned that you kind of knew it was gonna happen, 923 00:40:12,379 --> 00:40:14,689 but you didn't know that it was gonna happen right there. 924 00:40:14,689 --> 00:40:15,896 Walk me through that. 925 00:40:15,896 --> 00:40:17,758 So, if you remember last year, 926 00:40:17,758 --> 00:40:20,034 when you and I were here talking about this, 927 00:40:20,034 --> 00:40:22,689 I had told you the story 928 00:40:22,689 --> 00:40:26,586 about how Kody and I had been out on a drive 929 00:40:26,586 --> 00:40:29,103 -on our anniversary. -[Sukanya] Yes. 930 00:40:29,103 --> 00:40:32,241 [Meri] That's when he and I had our very first conversation 931 00:40:33,379 --> 00:40:35,793 where he told me, "I'm not... 932 00:40:35,793 --> 00:40:39,689 I'm not going to be in a marriage with you. 933 00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:41,379 This is never gonna move forward." 934 00:40:41,379 --> 00:40:42,586 And I said to him, 935 00:40:42,586 --> 00:40:46,137 "Don't you think that we should address this publicly?" 936 00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:47,448 He's like, "No, I don't want to. 937 00:40:47,448 --> 00:40:49,448 I just, I don't want to, I don't need... 938 00:40:50,551 --> 00:40:53,551 I don't need that kind of... 939 00:40:56,137 --> 00:40:57,137 criticism." 940 00:40:57,137 --> 00:40:58,758 He says, "I don't need that kind of criticism. 941 00:40:58,758 --> 00:41:00,517 I don't want to address it publicly." 942 00:41:01,896 --> 00:41:03,551 So, that was in April. 943 00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:06,586 And then, in September 944 00:41:06,586 --> 00:41:08,965 is when I saw where he said... 945 00:41:11,344 --> 00:41:14,448 "I don't even consider her a wife," 946 00:41:14,448 --> 00:41:16,275 referring to me. 947 00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:20,896 This clip is maybe a month or two after that 948 00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:23,482 where he and I did continue 949 00:41:23,482 --> 00:41:25,482 to have a couple of conversations, 950 00:41:25,482 --> 00:41:28,172 but he still wasn't really wanting to do it publicly. 951 00:41:28,172 --> 00:41:29,896 And I didn't think that was fair. 952 00:41:29,896 --> 00:41:32,517 I felt like it was something that needed to be documented. 953 00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:34,896 But he did say it publicly, 954 00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:36,793 he didn't say it to you publicly. 955 00:41:36,793 --> 00:41:38,896 Correct, correct. 956 00:41:38,896 --> 00:41:40,275 And that's where you had an issue. 957 00:41:40,275 --> 00:41:43,862 I was owed that. 958 00:41:43,862 --> 00:41:49,068 I was owed him having that conversation with me publicly, 959 00:41:49,068 --> 00:41:52,000 instead of seeing it after the fact. 960 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,241 I didn't want that to be... 961 00:41:55,241 --> 00:41:57,137 -a big deal breaker for you guys. -No, I appreciate that. 962 00:41:57,137 --> 00:41:58,689 No, it was... 963 00:41:58,689 --> 00:42:01,862 I mean, honestly, it wasn't even the conversation that he had with you. 964 00:42:01,862 --> 00:42:05,103 It was scenes that I had just seen 965 00:42:05,103 --> 00:42:08,137 that we showed right here that day. 966 00:42:08,137 --> 00:42:10,655 I don't really consider myself married to Meri. 967 00:42:11,689 --> 00:42:13,689 I just, if she wanted to... 968 00:42:13,689 --> 00:42:15,896 If she wanted to move on and marry another, 969 00:42:15,896 --> 00:42:18,344 she wouldn't get in an argument with me. 970 00:42:18,344 --> 00:42:20,655 Like, if you remember, I said to you, 971 00:42:20,655 --> 00:42:21,689 I haven't seen... Yeah. 972 00:42:21,689 --> 00:42:24,862 -I just had seen from last year. -[Sukanya] Yeah. 973 00:42:24,862 --> 00:42:27,482 I said, "I literally just saw that a week ago. 974 00:42:27,482 --> 00:42:28,965 I'm still trying to process it 975 00:42:28,965 --> 00:42:31,172 and I need to figure out what I need to do." 976 00:42:31,172 --> 00:42:34,172 I don't know why Meri hasn't left before now. 977 00:42:34,172 --> 00:42:35,241 I would have. 978 00:42:36,103 --> 00:42:38,000 It's been apparent. 979 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,172 She said that Kody never told her straight to her face. 980 00:42:42,172 --> 00:42:43,586 [Janelle] I mean, I-- 981 00:42:43,586 --> 00:42:45,103 And that's what she was waiting for. 982 00:42:45,103 --> 00:42:47,000 I mean, I guess, because he told me so much, 983 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,275 I figured, he was telling her. I don't know. 984 00:42:50,275 --> 00:42:54,689 If he wasn't, then that's a really unfair and uncool thing to do. 985 00:42:54,689 --> 00:42:56,689 Did you pick up the phone and just call him? 986 00:42:56,689 --> 00:42:58,482 I don't think he would have heard me. 987 00:42:58,482 --> 00:42:59,689 -[Sukanya] Really? -Mm-mm. 988 00:42:59,689 --> 00:43:01,655 But isn't it not about him hearing you, 989 00:43:01,655 --> 00:43:03,344 isn't it about you being heard? 990 00:43:05,379 --> 00:43:06,862 Oh, my voice will be heard. 991 00:43:07,344 --> 00:43:09,034 I will no longer be silent. 992 00:43:10,896 --> 00:43:13,172 [Sukanya] Next time on Sister Wives One On One... 993 00:43:13,172 --> 00:43:14,689 I thought of myself 994 00:43:14,689 --> 00:43:16,793 leaving Robyn and having another lover 995 00:43:16,793 --> 00:43:17,896 and looking at this lover and going, 996 00:43:17,896 --> 00:43:19,379 "I don't love you. 997 00:43:19,379 --> 00:43:20,586 I'm in love with another woman. 998 00:43:20,586 --> 00:43:22,068 I'm in love with a woman that I left 999 00:43:22,068 --> 00:43:25,275 because I was too much of a piece of [bleep] to manage the relationship. 1000 00:43:25,275 --> 00:43:27,793 Would you still consider her a sister wife? 1001 00:43:27,793 --> 00:43:30,482 No, because when you're a sister wife, 1002 00:43:30,482 --> 00:43:32,137 it's because you're married to the same man, 1003 00:43:32,137 --> 00:43:33,620 and I am a single woman. 1004 00:43:34,241 --> 00:43:35,689 How do you see her? 1005 00:43:35,689 --> 00:43:37,862 [sobbing] She's my sister wife. 1006 00:43:40,172 --> 00:43:41,206 So is Janelle. 1007 00:43:42,137 --> 00:43:43,793 So is Christine. 1008 00:43:43,793 --> 00:43:47,793 No, I don't think that Robyn has any desire to live polygamy or plural marriage. 1009 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:50,551 I don't think Christine knows Robyn at all. 1010 00:43:50,551 --> 00:43:52,862 She's never tried, she's never been there. 1011 00:43:52,862 --> 00:43:54,482 She was a [bleep] sister wife. 1012 00:43:54,482 --> 00:43:57,793 She'll probably and I hope be a very good wife for David. 1013 00:43:57,793 --> 00:44:01,758 I have looked back and I've dissected my relationship with Robyn. 1014 00:44:01,758 --> 00:44:03,758 Her personality type loves drama. 1015 00:44:03,758 --> 00:44:07,103 They love drama, they love talking about their drama. 1016 00:44:07,103 --> 00:44:09,344 Sorry, I don't know how to let this go. 1017 00:44:10,379 --> 00:44:12,482 And this isn't me just being dramatic. 1018 00:44:12,482 --> 00:44:13,551 Thank you, Christine. 1019 00:44:13,551 --> 00:44:14,896 Are you excited about the engagement? 1020 00:44:14,896 --> 00:44:17,241 Yes, I am excited about the engagement. 1021 00:44:17,241 --> 00:44:18,689 -Can you show off the ring? -Yes. 1022 00:44:18,689 --> 00:44:21,241 I met the love of my life, I did. 1023 00:44:21,241 --> 00:44:23,275 Christine has to destroy my character 1024 00:44:23,275 --> 00:44:26,000 or David doesn't feel like he can marry her 1025 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,551 'cause she left a good man. 1026 00:44:27,551 --> 00:44:28,655 Hey, David, come on out. 1027 00:44:28,655 --> 00:44:29,965 You're gonna meet the love of my life. 1028 00:44:29,965 --> 00:44:30,689 He's amazing. 1029 00:44:30,689 --> 00:44:31,586 Hi, David.