1 00:00:01,206 --> 00:00:02,793 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives One on One... 2 00:00:02,793 --> 00:00:04,724 [Sukanya] Were you in love with Meri when you married her? 3 00:00:04,724 --> 00:00:08,275 She thinks I was madly, head-over-heels over her, 4 00:00:08,275 --> 00:00:12,000 and we acted that... we played that out. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,103 But there was... a lot of dysfunction that we had. 6 00:00:17,103 --> 00:00:20,379 You know, "Robyn, don't put this pressure on me 7 00:00:20,379 --> 00:00:22,724 of the fact that we're a family, 8 00:00:22,724 --> 00:00:23,758 'cause we're not. 9 00:00:23,758 --> 00:00:26,000 You know, there's this cognitive dissonance." 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,896 I'm like, "Well, maybe you should've communicated 11 00:00:28,896 --> 00:00:29,689 that we weren't. 12 00:00:29,689 --> 00:00:31,896 And then maybe I wouldn't be acting 13 00:00:31,896 --> 00:00:33,172 like I'm trying 14 00:00:33,172 --> 00:00:35,586 to still be part of the family. 15 00:00:35,586 --> 00:00:37,275 Meri did ask her to be there, but-- 16 00:00:37,275 --> 00:00:39,482 I know. It's because Robyn says that she can speak Kody, 17 00:00:39,482 --> 00:00:40,896 and I'm like bull... [bleep]. 18 00:00:40,896 --> 00:00:43,000 Sorry. Okay, sorry. I'm gonna be nice. 19 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,172 No, I'm not. 20 00:00:44,172 --> 00:00:46,482 As Robyn, I never would've put myself in that position. 21 00:00:46,482 --> 00:00:49,724 If Kody can't talk to Meri alone, 22 00:00:49,724 --> 00:00:51,379 then they probably shouldn't be having 23 00:00:51,379 --> 00:00:52,379 any kind of conversation. 24 00:00:52,379 --> 00:00:56,586 I love her and want her to have a happy life, 25 00:00:56,586 --> 00:00:59,206 but I don't think her and I can functionally 26 00:00:59,206 --> 00:01:00,827 be in a relationship. 27 00:01:00,827 --> 00:01:03,000 When he told me that he has no desire 28 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 to ever work on a relationship, 29 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,482 like, that was very, very painful. 30 00:01:08,482 --> 00:01:10,689 Did you pick up the phone and just call him? 31 00:01:10,689 --> 00:01:12,482 I don't think he would've heard me. 32 00:01:12,482 --> 00:01:14,000 Isn't it not about him hearing you, 33 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,137 isn't it about you being heard? 34 00:01:17,896 --> 00:01:19,793 Oh, my voice will be heard. 35 00:01:19,793 --> 00:01:21,586 I will no longer be silent. 36 00:01:22,896 --> 00:01:25,862 [Sukanya] This is Sister Wives One on One. 37 00:01:27,586 --> 00:01:28,689 [man] Standby. Here we go. 38 00:01:28,689 --> 00:01:30,586 [Kody] What needs to be talked about? 39 00:01:30,586 --> 00:01:32,482 You and me. 40 00:01:32,482 --> 00:01:35,000 Meri, we have those discussions. 41 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,551 And so I think those discussions have been made clear. 42 00:01:38,068 --> 00:01:40,000 Yeah. They're very clear. 43 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 He said, "Don't you understand, Meri? 44 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,172 This is never going to happen. 45 00:01:44,172 --> 00:01:46,931 I have no interest in having a relationship with you." 46 00:01:46,931 --> 00:01:50,206 This agreement that I gave you, 47 00:01:50,206 --> 00:01:52,862 our sacred covenant, 48 00:01:54,482 --> 00:01:58,378 was if I'm ever not in love with you, 49 00:01:58,378 --> 00:02:02,551 I won't just sit there and be in a pathetic place with you. 50 00:02:03,827 --> 00:02:06,344 You made me promise you that. 51 00:02:07,172 --> 00:02:09,448 [Robyn crying] 52 00:02:11,172 --> 00:02:13,379 How is it fair to be in a marriage 53 00:02:13,379 --> 00:02:16,034 when there's nothing there? 54 00:02:17,827 --> 00:02:19,965 I can't do it one-sided, Robyn. 55 00:02:20,724 --> 00:02:22,379 Wait, Robyn was there? 56 00:02:22,379 --> 00:02:24,310 Your reaction to that? 57 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:26,103 Why was Robyn there? 58 00:02:26,103 --> 00:02:27,310 What's up with that conversation 59 00:02:27,310 --> 00:02:28,896 where Kody promised Robyn something? 60 00:02:28,896 --> 00:02:32,689 He would leave, yet he's been considering Meri 61 00:02:32,689 --> 00:02:35,896 pathetic for years, and letting her hang on? 62 00:02:35,896 --> 00:02:39,275 And he said that she found out about that publicly, 63 00:02:39,275 --> 00:02:40,620 he didn't say it to her face. 64 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:42,482 He didn't consider them married anymore. 65 00:02:42,482 --> 00:02:45,275 -That he wasn't... -It was in a clip that was showed. 66 00:02:45,275 --> 00:02:47,862 I don't really consider myself married to Meri. 67 00:02:48,793 --> 00:02:52,000 I just... If she wanted to move on 68 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 and marry another, 69 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 she wouldn't get an argument with me. 70 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,793 That's got to be the most humiliating, 71 00:02:56,793 --> 00:02:58,655 terrible thing to live through. 72 00:02:59,379 --> 00:03:01,000 That's terrible. 73 00:03:02,068 --> 00:03:04,793 You needed to hear it from him. 74 00:03:04,793 --> 00:03:09,379 You did not want to infer it from all the other instances 75 00:03:09,379 --> 00:03:12,068 -that have happened. -I was not going to guess. 76 00:03:12,068 --> 00:03:14,517 I was not going to assume. 77 00:03:14,517 --> 00:03:17,551 I deserve to have a conversation, 78 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:21,000 and to be told. 79 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,344 And if he wasn't the kind of man to do that... 80 00:03:25,310 --> 00:03:27,103 Like, I don't even know. 81 00:03:27,103 --> 00:03:28,896 Like, I don't know. 82 00:03:28,896 --> 00:03:33,000 He should've been the kind of man to do that, 83 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,172 to have the conversation with me, 84 00:03:35,172 --> 00:03:37,275 and be open and honest with me, 85 00:03:37,275 --> 00:03:40,413 instead of telling everybody else but me. 86 00:03:40,413 --> 00:03:41,793 -Mmm-hmm. -That was uncool. 87 00:03:41,793 --> 00:03:44,862 On the flip side, don't you think he's been telling you all along? 88 00:03:46,586 --> 00:03:50,655 Um, it was a really low, 89 00:03:51,379 --> 00:03:52,896 uncool way to do it, 90 00:03:52,896 --> 00:03:55,482 if that's what he was doing. 91 00:03:55,482 --> 00:03:57,517 -I'm just saying, through his actions. -Yes. 92 00:03:57,517 --> 00:04:01,103 -There's been a lot of inaction. -Yes. Yes. 93 00:04:01,103 --> 00:04:05,000 And I agree with you, and yes, I do feel like that. 94 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 But because of the commitment that I hold dear... 95 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,379 -Mmm-hmm. -He didn't hold dear. 96 00:04:10,379 --> 00:04:11,862 He holds it dear with Robyn. 97 00:04:12,724 --> 00:04:14,103 -Okay. -Yep. 98 00:04:14,103 --> 00:04:15,379 How is their covenant different 99 00:04:15,379 --> 00:04:16,930 than the covenant you made with him? 100 00:04:16,930 --> 00:04:20,172 Because he fell out of love with me, 101 00:04:20,172 --> 00:04:21,689 or whatever. 102 00:04:21,689 --> 00:04:23,931 I only base that off of that scene 103 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:27,275 where he said to her, um... 104 00:04:27,275 --> 00:04:29,103 -"If we ever fall out of love..." -"If we ever..." 105 00:04:29,103 --> 00:04:30,689 "If I ever fall out of love with you, 106 00:04:30,689 --> 00:04:33,172 don't string me along," or whatever his words were. 107 00:04:33,172 --> 00:04:34,482 Did he ever say that to you? 108 00:04:34,482 --> 00:04:36,103 No. 109 00:04:36,103 --> 00:04:38,103 And this is the reason I hammered Robyn, 110 00:04:38,103 --> 00:04:39,482 with our agreement. 111 00:04:39,482 --> 00:04:43,000 Robyn and I made an agreement that if we weren't in love, 112 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,689 that we wouldn't drag each other out, 113 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:46,517 that we would free each other. 114 00:04:46,517 --> 00:04:49,379 Did you make that same covenant to Meri? 115 00:04:49,379 --> 00:04:50,620 -That you would free each other? -Uh, no, no. 116 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:51,724 The agreement, I think, was just... 117 00:04:51,724 --> 00:04:54,758 I remember after Robyn and I had that agreement... 118 00:04:56,586 --> 00:04:59,724 then I went to the other wives and said, 119 00:04:59,724 --> 00:05:01,586 "I have this agreement with Robyn." 120 00:05:01,586 --> 00:05:03,172 They even got frustrated by... 121 00:05:03,172 --> 00:05:06,172 Like, "Anybody who wants to leave, you're free to go." 122 00:05:06,172 --> 00:05:08,413 And that even made Meri mad. 123 00:05:08,413 --> 00:05:10,620 What did you think about Robyn being here 124 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:12,586 in this whole situation, 125 00:05:12,586 --> 00:05:15,586 and then this is, like, Meri's moment that has-- 126 00:05:15,586 --> 00:05:18,517 I don't... I don't get that at all. 127 00:05:18,517 --> 00:05:22,482 I do not get why they... She always feels the need... 128 00:05:22,482 --> 00:05:23,896 I think that should be a red flag to her, 129 00:05:23,896 --> 00:05:26,379 that she feels the need to have somebody there 130 00:05:26,379 --> 00:05:29,000 when she's communicating with her husband. 131 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,931 Did you ever circle back to her and say, 132 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:32,793 "Hey, listen, I've been thinking about this, 133 00:05:32,793 --> 00:05:35,206 and I sat with this, 134 00:05:35,206 --> 00:05:36,896 but I don't know if I can really make it work." 135 00:05:36,896 --> 00:05:38,689 -Yeah. Yeah, like... -Okay. 136 00:05:38,689 --> 00:05:40,586 Well, wait... 137 00:05:42,482 --> 00:05:45,793 We don't go deep into it, 138 00:05:45,793 --> 00:05:49,482 because I don't want her reacting 139 00:05:50,068 --> 00:05:52,000 in a crazy way. 140 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,793 I'm not ripping off a Band-Aid, 141 00:05:53,793 --> 00:05:56,172 but I know where we're at. 142 00:05:56,172 --> 00:05:58,689 And I've made that clear to her. 143 00:05:58,689 --> 00:06:00,482 Why hasn't she received that message? 144 00:06:00,482 --> 00:06:01,793 Or has she received that message? 145 00:06:01,793 --> 00:06:04,586 I think Robyn and I are giving her different messages. 146 00:06:04,586 --> 00:06:07,000 Like, we're not on the same page on this. 147 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,586 And Robyn's like, "Meri, just hang in there, Meri..." 148 00:06:09,586 --> 00:06:11,206 And then to me, she's like, 149 00:06:11,206 --> 00:06:12,482 "You've got to reconcile this." 150 00:06:12,482 --> 00:06:14,379 And I'm looking at her like, you... 151 00:06:15,275 --> 00:06:17,517 You are not going to get me to do this. 152 00:06:17,517 --> 00:06:20,068 When I'm looking at the optics, 153 00:06:20,068 --> 00:06:21,689 Robyn is crying-- 154 00:06:21,689 --> 00:06:24,103 Robyn is Meri's advocate in our marriage. 155 00:06:24,103 --> 00:06:27,068 Robyn has been advocating this relationship... 156 00:06:29,586 --> 00:06:31,620 well, from the time that Robyn and I met. 157 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:35,172 -Mm. -And so, kudos to Robyn. 158 00:06:35,172 --> 00:06:36,517 Kudos to Meri. 159 00:06:36,517 --> 00:06:38,172 I mean, she did good by her. 160 00:06:38,172 --> 00:06:39,793 So you felt like you were out in the dark. 161 00:06:39,793 --> 00:06:42,793 You didn't really understand where his mind was throughout this whole time. 162 00:06:42,793 --> 00:06:45,172 -And that-- -I didn't know that he was completely done. 163 00:06:45,586 --> 00:06:47,724 And now, since then... 164 00:06:47,724 --> 00:06:50,379 and some of our conversations that we've had since then, 165 00:06:50,379 --> 00:06:52,793 and since we decided to, you know, 166 00:06:52,793 --> 00:06:55,655 completely terminate the marriage, um, 167 00:06:56,275 --> 00:06:57,517 we've had conversations. 168 00:06:57,517 --> 00:06:59,724 He's like, "No. I felt like this a long time ago." 169 00:06:59,724 --> 00:07:01,172 I'm like, "You should've told me." 170 00:07:01,172 --> 00:07:04,068 Like, that was not fair for you to not tell me, 171 00:07:04,068 --> 00:07:06,413 because I'm still sitting here 172 00:07:06,413 --> 00:07:08,689 holding on to the idea that maybe you might 173 00:07:08,689 --> 00:07:10,827 get your head out of your butt. 174 00:07:10,827 --> 00:07:13,931 And you know, I've been patient 175 00:07:13,931 --> 00:07:16,000 because my values, 176 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,482 and my heart, and my commitment 177 00:07:21,413 --> 00:07:24,172 are as such that I hold to those. 178 00:07:24,172 --> 00:07:26,482 -Those are important to me. -Mmm-hmm. 179 00:07:27,482 --> 00:07:30,689 And that's why I was still holding on, 180 00:07:30,689 --> 00:07:32,896 not knowing that he had... 181 00:07:34,586 --> 00:07:37,793 Guessing, but hoping that he hadn't really... but not knowing 182 00:07:37,793 --> 00:07:40,896 that he had actually fully let go of me emotionally. 183 00:07:40,896 --> 00:07:42,586 And looking back on it, like, 184 00:07:43,103 --> 00:07:45,413 I mean, there was... 185 00:07:45,413 --> 00:07:48,793 He let go of me a long time ago emotionally. 186 00:07:48,793 --> 00:07:51,586 I was gonna say ten years is a long time to be holding on. 187 00:07:51,586 --> 00:07:54,379 Yeah, and he's sitting here telling Robyn, 188 00:07:54,379 --> 00:07:56,172 "That's the agreement that you and I made, 189 00:07:56,172 --> 00:07:58,000 that if I ever felt like that, 190 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,275 then I wouldn't hold you in this place." 191 00:08:00,275 --> 00:08:02,172 You know, like, their agreement of... 192 00:08:02,172 --> 00:08:04,275 You know, their sacred covenant. [chuckles] 193 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:05,379 You know what I mean? 194 00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:08,793 And I'm like, then why did you not respect me enough 195 00:08:08,793 --> 00:08:10,172 as a human being... 196 00:08:10,172 --> 00:08:13,620 Great, I understand that you don't feel like 197 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:15,172 I'm your wife anymore, 198 00:08:15,172 --> 00:08:17,793 even though we made covenants, 199 00:08:17,793 --> 00:08:22,000 and nothing has happened to break them, at that point. 200 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,172 Like, I understand that's how you feel about me, 201 00:08:24,172 --> 00:08:26,931 but have the respect for me as a human being 202 00:08:26,931 --> 00:08:31,000 to tell me to my face, and he didn't. 203 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,793 She's taken that covenant that you had... 204 00:08:33,793 --> 00:08:35,517 You even heard her, 205 00:08:35,517 --> 00:08:38,000 like, this isn't what the promise that we made to each other 206 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,379 oh so many years ago. 207 00:08:39,379 --> 00:08:41,586 -Thirty-plus years. -Yeah, that covenant doesn't 208 00:08:41,586 --> 00:08:47,068 include the dissolution of my soul, 209 00:08:47,931 --> 00:08:49,896 or personality. 210 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:52,965 That relationship does not work in a marriage for me. 211 00:08:53,379 --> 00:08:54,482 It's that simple. 212 00:08:54,482 --> 00:08:56,275 So you're saying you can't function in dysfunction. 213 00:08:56,275 --> 00:08:57,482 I don't care about the covenant. 214 00:08:57,482 --> 00:08:59,793 If you can't get through that, 215 00:08:59,793 --> 00:09:02,482 then it's broken. 216 00:09:02,482 --> 00:09:07,103 It's about... this relationship cannot work. 217 00:09:07,103 --> 00:09:09,172 And those people who are in relationships 218 00:09:09,172 --> 00:09:10,793 that cannot work, 219 00:09:10,793 --> 00:09:13,310 that are stuck in them because of their faith, 220 00:09:13,310 --> 00:09:14,275 their religion, 221 00:09:14,275 --> 00:09:16,551 end up in a life 222 00:09:17,172 --> 00:09:19,482 of unhappy solitude, 223 00:09:19,482 --> 00:09:21,827 while the person is right next to them. 224 00:09:21,827 --> 00:09:22,689 Mm. 225 00:09:22,689 --> 00:09:25,068 I'm not gonna discuss it further 226 00:09:25,068 --> 00:09:26,793 because I love her. 227 00:09:26,793 --> 00:09:29,586 I want her to have the best life she can, 228 00:09:29,586 --> 00:09:32,758 and, um, I... 229 00:09:35,172 --> 00:09:37,275 I'm not gonna do what's been done to me 230 00:09:37,275 --> 00:09:39,758 by trash-talking her, 231 00:09:40,689 --> 00:09:42,482 making her seem small 232 00:09:42,482 --> 00:09:45,310 so that I feel better about how badly I've treated her. 233 00:09:45,310 --> 00:09:46,689 [narrator reading] 234 00:09:46,689 --> 00:09:48,620 So you see him imploding? 235 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:50,551 -He tries to. -Yeah. 236 00:09:52,103 --> 00:09:53,275 [cries] He tries to. 237 00:09:53,275 --> 00:09:55,379 But is he sabotaging your relationship? 238 00:09:55,379 --> 00:09:57,482 [cries] He tries to. 239 00:09:57,482 --> 00:10:00,068 I have to stop him all the time. 240 00:10:00,068 --> 00:10:02,482 I thought of myself leaving Robyn 241 00:10:02,482 --> 00:10:04,000 and having another lover, 242 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,172 and looking at this lover and going, I don't love you, 243 00:10:06,172 --> 00:10:07,413 I'm in love with another woman. 244 00:10:07,413 --> 00:10:09,000 I'm in love with a woman that I left 245 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,620 because I was too much a piece of [bleep] 246 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:11,862 to manage the relationship. 247 00:10:17,793 --> 00:10:19,655 [man] Okay. Everybody settle. 248 00:10:20,586 --> 00:10:23,793 Before I made the decision to walk away, 249 00:10:23,793 --> 00:10:26,034 I feel like I spent 250 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:28,344 a lot of years... 251 00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:32,586 giving him grace. 252 00:10:32,586 --> 00:10:37,172 Let me just put a pause on putting any pressure on me and him, 253 00:10:38,172 --> 00:10:39,482 while he gets through it 254 00:10:39,482 --> 00:10:42,517 and comes back around to himself. 255 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:44,655 Why do you think he hasn't been happy? 256 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:46,241 I don't know. 257 00:10:46,586 --> 00:10:48,068 It's sad for me. 258 00:10:48,793 --> 00:10:50,448 It's really sad for me. 259 00:10:51,586 --> 00:10:53,241 I don't know... 260 00:10:54,275 --> 00:10:55,965 I hope he can find some peace. 261 00:10:55,965 --> 00:10:57,586 I hope he can find some joy. 262 00:10:57,586 --> 00:10:59,758 He doesn't seem like he has any joy. 263 00:10:59,758 --> 00:11:02,000 Do you think he can ever go back to the old Kody? 264 00:11:03,965 --> 00:11:05,172 I don't know. 265 00:11:06,965 --> 00:11:09,103 I think it's fair to say that he is very different 266 00:11:09,103 --> 00:11:10,896 from the person that you met when you married him. 267 00:11:10,896 --> 00:11:12,275 -[Meri] Yeah. -Um... 268 00:11:12,275 --> 00:11:14,689 I want you to watch this clip, and then we'll get a reaction... 269 00:11:14,689 --> 00:11:16,689 -Okay. -...as to your thoughts. 270 00:11:16,689 --> 00:11:18,206 Okay. 271 00:11:18,206 --> 00:11:21,586 You know, Kody used to be so dynamic and so bold. 272 00:11:21,586 --> 00:11:24,000 [Christine] And everyone always wanted to be around him, 273 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,310 'cause he was just always down for having a great time. 274 00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:27,586 But he didn't let other people control him. 275 00:11:27,586 --> 00:11:28,689 He was his own person. 276 00:11:28,689 --> 00:11:31,310 [Meri] This is not the happy-go-lucky, 277 00:11:31,310 --> 00:11:34,965 "everything is positive and well in the world" 278 00:11:34,965 --> 00:11:37,172 Kody Brown that I used to know. 279 00:11:37,172 --> 00:11:40,482 I'm in this bad place with Janelle, and Christine's gone. 280 00:11:40,482 --> 00:11:42,586 Don't even know what to do with Meri. 281 00:11:42,586 --> 00:11:45,103 And even with Robyn, kinda feeling like I've been 282 00:11:45,103 --> 00:11:47,896 pretty much a grouch for two years. 283 00:11:47,896 --> 00:11:49,000 I mean, it's just obvious. 284 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,862 He just... just is always mad. 285 00:11:53,275 --> 00:11:56,103 He's been very, very, very angry. 286 00:11:56,103 --> 00:11:57,965 I don't know how you do it. 287 00:11:59,379 --> 00:12:01,206 'Cause he's not who you married, 288 00:12:01,206 --> 00:12:02,758 he's not who I married. 289 00:12:02,758 --> 00:12:04,172 No, he hasn't been. 290 00:12:04,172 --> 00:12:08,172 It's really sad seeing him go downhill. 291 00:12:08,172 --> 00:12:09,931 [crying] I don't know who this guy is. 292 00:12:12,379 --> 00:12:14,862 Maybe this is who he always was, I don't know. 293 00:12:15,862 --> 00:12:18,758 But I don't recognize this very mean person. 294 00:12:18,758 --> 00:12:20,206 That was right after the fight. [chuckles] 295 00:12:20,206 --> 00:12:22,000 [Robyn] We've never had as many problems 296 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,482 as we're having right now in our marriage. 297 00:12:24,482 --> 00:12:29,275 He's suspicious of anybody being disloyal to him. 298 00:12:29,275 --> 00:12:32,172 He's directing that at me, 299 00:12:32,172 --> 00:12:34,482 and I don't really recognize him right now. 300 00:12:34,482 --> 00:12:36,482 And I've never seen him like this before. 301 00:12:36,482 --> 00:12:39,689 I mean, the deepest temptations I've had in my whole life, 302 00:12:40,896 --> 00:12:44,172 was to sit down and stop trying to be good. 303 00:12:45,103 --> 00:12:47,000 That's happening to me now. 304 00:12:47,896 --> 00:12:51,413 And it's just devastating. 305 00:12:51,413 --> 00:12:54,034 I don't know, I worked so hard to do what was right. 306 00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:57,586 And when you lose that, 307 00:12:57,586 --> 00:12:59,620 when you feel like you failed 308 00:12:59,620 --> 00:13:01,000 even to God... 309 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,862 This is stuff that I should just be keeping to myself. 310 00:13:04,482 --> 00:13:06,689 I don't want Robyn to see this. 311 00:13:08,758 --> 00:13:11,758 I don't want her to know how dark I've gotten. 312 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:15,482 [Robyn] It would absolutely devastate me 313 00:13:15,482 --> 00:13:17,620 if he decided to leave, but... 314 00:13:17,620 --> 00:13:21,103 I mean, I know he has these thoughts. 315 00:13:21,103 --> 00:13:24,689 I know you can't make anybody stick around or stay. 316 00:13:24,689 --> 00:13:26,896 I just know it's from pain. 317 00:13:26,896 --> 00:13:28,103 It's not because he's a selfish 318 00:13:28,103 --> 00:13:30,551 or a bad person, he's just in pain. 319 00:13:31,275 --> 00:13:33,275 Like I'd like to run away 320 00:13:33,275 --> 00:13:34,655 from my life. 321 00:13:35,275 --> 00:13:37,000 You know, just escape. Just... 322 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,896 Yeah, that's what he's been acting like. 323 00:13:39,896 --> 00:13:42,275 ...change my name, disappear, be somebody else. 324 00:13:43,586 --> 00:13:46,862 I just... I hate my life right now. 325 00:13:51,103 --> 00:13:52,689 Can you help me understand that? 326 00:13:52,689 --> 00:13:54,551 Can you help me unpack some of that? 327 00:13:55,379 --> 00:13:57,068 Why does he feel that way? 328 00:13:57,068 --> 00:14:00,000 I don't know why he hates his life so much, but that's really sad. 329 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,965 I've never heard him say that. 330 00:14:01,965 --> 00:14:03,551 But it shows. 331 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,896 It shows. 332 00:14:05,896 --> 00:14:08,896 Does it concern you when you hear him talk this way? 333 00:14:08,896 --> 00:14:10,448 Not anymore. 334 00:14:12,103 --> 00:14:13,482 I don't understand, 335 00:14:13,482 --> 00:14:15,793 because, ultimately, you want him to be happy, don't you? 336 00:14:15,793 --> 00:14:19,068 I do want him to be happy, and I hope that he can, 337 00:14:19,068 --> 00:14:21,000 but it doesn't... 338 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,379 It can't affect me anymore. 339 00:14:23,379 --> 00:14:26,172 You know, he has made it very clear to me 340 00:14:26,172 --> 00:14:30,413 that he's not interested in having any part of my life. 341 00:14:30,413 --> 00:14:32,000 He's actually used the words, 342 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,310 "Your life is not one that I wanna insert myself into." 343 00:14:35,310 --> 00:14:40,793 And so, I've had to really step back 344 00:14:40,793 --> 00:14:43,689 and figure out me and where I am, 345 00:14:43,689 --> 00:14:45,482 and how I move forward, 346 00:14:45,482 --> 00:14:49,758 and not let his emotions, his thoughts, 347 00:14:50,965 --> 00:14:54,689 his issues at all affect me. 348 00:14:54,689 --> 00:14:58,275 So what he's doing is he's self-sabotaging. 349 00:14:58,275 --> 00:14:59,965 He's angry. 350 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,758 [exhales] 351 00:15:04,758 --> 00:15:06,862 So you see him imploding? 352 00:15:06,862 --> 00:15:08,758 -He tries to. -Yeah. 353 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,103 [cries] He tries to. 354 00:15:11,103 --> 00:15:13,000 But is he sabotaging your relationship? 355 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,448 [cries] He tries to. 356 00:15:15,068 --> 00:15:17,448 I have to stop him all the time. 357 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Yeah, he tries to. 358 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,275 How does he sabotage your relationship? 359 00:15:23,965 --> 00:15:25,965 He picks fights with me. 360 00:15:26,793 --> 00:15:28,068 Um... 361 00:15:30,758 --> 00:15:32,379 [sighs] 362 00:15:32,379 --> 00:15:34,517 -Over what? -Dumb things. 363 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:35,689 Okay. 364 00:15:35,689 --> 00:15:37,241 [cries] Like, we're... 365 00:15:38,103 --> 00:15:40,931 We're in different places... 366 00:15:42,586 --> 00:15:44,000 [sighs] I'm sorry. 367 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,310 [crying] 368 00:15:45,310 --> 00:15:47,379 We're in different places about... 369 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:54,137 the bomb that went off on our family, and like... 370 00:15:56,517 --> 00:15:59,241 I'm in a major place of mourning, 371 00:16:00,517 --> 00:16:02,965 and he's angry. 372 00:16:04,482 --> 00:16:06,241 And he doesn't wanna... 373 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:11,241 He just wants to just go find whatever, you know, 374 00:16:11,862 --> 00:16:14,000 and I'm like, um, 375 00:16:15,482 --> 00:16:17,758 no, I can't feel like that. 376 00:16:18,689 --> 00:16:20,586 [sighs] I might've been sabotaging myself 377 00:16:20,586 --> 00:16:23,275 a little bit before that, just out of the frustration and anger. 378 00:16:23,275 --> 00:16:25,379 But were you sabotaging your relationship with Robyn? 379 00:16:25,379 --> 00:16:27,379 Yeah, I was. I was. Definitely. 380 00:16:27,379 --> 00:16:28,965 -I-- -[Sukanya] Why? 381 00:16:28,965 --> 00:16:29,965 You love her. 382 00:16:29,965 --> 00:16:33,068 -Yeah, but I wanted to punish myself. -Mm. 383 00:16:33,068 --> 00:16:35,862 I thought of myself leaving Robyn 384 00:16:35,862 --> 00:16:37,103 and having another lover 385 00:16:37,103 --> 00:16:39,689 and looking at this lover and going, I don't love you, 386 00:16:39,689 --> 00:16:40,965 I'm in love with another woman. 387 00:16:40,965 --> 00:16:42,793 I'm in love with a woman that I left because I was 388 00:16:42,793 --> 00:16:45,586 too much a piece of [bleep] to manage the relationship. 389 00:16:45,586 --> 00:16:48,172 And what it was is just anger, and I'm embarrassed. 390 00:16:48,172 --> 00:16:49,172 So you get embarrassed, 391 00:16:49,172 --> 00:16:50,172 and then you get self-deprecating. 392 00:16:50,172 --> 00:16:52,517 You know, it's, like just bad behavior. 393 00:16:52,517 --> 00:16:53,896 And a lot of people might go through this. 394 00:16:53,896 --> 00:16:55,482 These are my demons. 395 00:16:55,482 --> 00:16:58,413 And that's like doing something that destroys myself. 396 00:16:58,413 --> 00:17:00,862 -Mm. -Christine's leaving, 397 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,000 and... and I'm just angry, 398 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,205 so a lot of dark winds were going through me. 399 00:17:07,205 --> 00:17:09,310 -Okay. -A lot of devil, lot of temptation. 400 00:17:09,310 --> 00:17:13,862 Which would be destructive of my relationship with Robyn. 401 00:17:13,862 --> 00:17:15,103 So I dealt with a lot of anger, 402 00:17:15,103 --> 00:17:16,413 and she would get frustrated. 403 00:17:16,413 --> 00:17:20,275 My anger was a turn-off. It was scary. 404 00:17:20,275 --> 00:17:22,758 And the dumb thing is, because I'm so honest, 405 00:17:22,758 --> 00:17:24,378 I just... I share everything with her. 406 00:17:24,378 --> 00:17:26,792 So I shared stuff with her that was heartbreaking. 407 00:17:26,792 --> 00:17:29,310 I was like, "I've been thinking like this." 408 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:31,275 You can only imagine how terrible that was. 409 00:17:31,275 --> 00:17:32,793 There's some things in a man's mind 410 00:17:32,793 --> 00:17:34,793 that should never be expressed. 411 00:17:34,793 --> 00:17:35,758 [narrator reading] 412 00:17:35,758 --> 00:17:37,586 Her personality type loves drama. 413 00:17:37,586 --> 00:17:40,758 They love drama. They love talking about their drama. 414 00:17:40,758 --> 00:17:42,379 See, that's where the lie is. 415 00:17:42,379 --> 00:17:45,379 I had one of my children complaining 416 00:17:45,379 --> 00:17:48,000 that I was always at one wife's house. 417 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,206 And whose house was that? 418 00:17:49,206 --> 00:17:51,310 Oh, it's Robyn's. Robyn's to blame for everything. 419 00:17:51,310 --> 00:17:53,482 [cries] And this isn't me just being dramatic. 420 00:17:53,482 --> 00:17:54,655 Thank you, Christine. 421 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,275 [man 1] Roll cameras. Roll sound, please. 422 00:18:01,275 --> 00:18:03,000 [indistinct chatter] 423 00:18:03,379 --> 00:18:04,689 [man 2] Rolling. 424 00:18:04,689 --> 00:18:06,551 [Robyn] We've never had as many problems 425 00:18:06,551 --> 00:18:09,000 as we're having right now in our marriage. 426 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,896 He's suspicious of anybody being disloyal to him. 427 00:18:13,896 --> 00:18:15,965 What is this suspiciousness about? 428 00:18:15,965 --> 00:18:18,896 His suspiciousness is about women, in general. 429 00:18:18,896 --> 00:18:20,275 -[laughing] -Oh. 430 00:18:20,275 --> 00:18:21,862 Help me understand that. 431 00:18:21,862 --> 00:18:24,758 Well, when you go through a divorce, 432 00:18:24,758 --> 00:18:28,551 you're afraid that every other... 433 00:18:28,551 --> 00:18:30,482 Like, as a woman, you're afraid another guy 434 00:18:30,482 --> 00:18:33,275 is going to be like the guy you just divorced. 435 00:18:33,275 --> 00:18:36,137 -Right. -So you're careful, you're cautious. 436 00:18:36,137 --> 00:18:38,000 -You're suspicious. -Yeah. 437 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,103 And so that's what he's going through is... 438 00:18:41,103 --> 00:18:44,793 He's going through this "I'm suspicious of women" thing. 439 00:18:44,793 --> 00:18:49,413 And, um, I just work really hard 440 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:52,172 to constantly get him to remember 441 00:18:52,172 --> 00:18:54,344 and realize that not all women 442 00:18:54,344 --> 00:18:56,379 [chuckling] are bad. 443 00:18:56,379 --> 00:18:57,655 And I told him, I said, 444 00:18:57,655 --> 00:19:01,758 "I feel like you're lining up all the women. 445 00:19:01,758 --> 00:19:04,068 I'm there with them, and you're... [imitates gunfire] 446 00:19:04,068 --> 00:19:05,586 -...you know, shooting them all down." -Yeah. 447 00:19:05,586 --> 00:19:07,172 And that's not fair. 448 00:19:07,172 --> 00:19:10,275 Just because, you know, you're dealing... 449 00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,896 you're having some issues with the other women in your life, 450 00:19:12,896 --> 00:19:14,379 or a woman or whatever, 451 00:19:14,379 --> 00:19:17,103 doesn't mean that we're all bad. 452 00:19:17,103 --> 00:19:18,965 In that clip, we also saw him say, like, 453 00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:22,103 "I don't want Robyn to see how dark I've gotten." 454 00:19:22,103 --> 00:19:24,482 -How did that land with... -Yeah. [chuckles] 455 00:19:24,482 --> 00:19:26,965 -How did you receive that? -I noticed there's a nuance, yeah. 456 00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:28,034 How did you receive that? 457 00:19:28,034 --> 00:19:29,793 So anymore in his communication, 458 00:19:29,793 --> 00:19:31,655 and maybe it's because Robyn is the only one 459 00:19:31,655 --> 00:19:33,758 that he really is with anymore... 460 00:19:33,758 --> 00:19:36,137 His communication has become very... 461 00:19:37,379 --> 00:19:40,655 a lot of reference to, "You can't talk about Robyn. 462 00:19:40,655 --> 00:19:42,586 She's the one that's loyal to me. 463 00:19:42,586 --> 00:19:46,068 I don't want Robyn to see this or be exposed to this." 464 00:19:46,068 --> 00:19:48,689 So I mean, there's definitely a more protective stance. 465 00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:50,689 But it feels like, over the last couple of years, 466 00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:53,482 especially during Covid, you know, his optics were like, 467 00:19:53,482 --> 00:19:57,000 well, you know, Robyn's always taking the hits for this, 468 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,172 and sometimes, it feels like they're bullying Robyn. 469 00:20:00,172 --> 00:20:01,103 [chuckles] I... 470 00:20:01,103 --> 00:20:02,793 Do you feel like you were bullying Robyn? 471 00:20:02,793 --> 00:20:04,103 No, no, I don't. 472 00:20:04,103 --> 00:20:06,068 And that's where it started to get really weird, 473 00:20:06,068 --> 00:20:11,034 because, all of a sudden, it was always about framing, like... 474 00:20:12,172 --> 00:20:15,655 It's almost like, I have this paragon of a wife. 475 00:20:15,655 --> 00:20:17,482 She does everything right. 476 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:20,793 And so if you had any kind of a disagreement, 477 00:20:20,793 --> 00:20:23,103 or you had any kind of a different opinion, 478 00:20:23,103 --> 00:20:25,379 even if you expressed it respectfully, 479 00:20:25,379 --> 00:20:27,034 you weren't "safe." 480 00:20:27,034 --> 00:20:28,793 You were a "bully." 481 00:20:28,793 --> 00:20:31,586 You know, as a wife, I should be able to say to Kody, 482 00:20:31,586 --> 00:20:34,551 "Well, I'm having a problem here," but that conversation was never open. 483 00:20:34,551 --> 00:20:37,586 I couldn't say anything against Robyn. 484 00:20:37,586 --> 00:20:39,482 And so, it became this really strange thing, 485 00:20:39,482 --> 00:20:40,896 and that was with Covid, 486 00:20:40,896 --> 00:20:43,068 as he started to spend more time there. 487 00:20:43,068 --> 00:20:45,448 All of a sudden, it became very off-limits 488 00:20:46,034 --> 00:20:48,793 to say anything about Robyn. 489 00:20:48,793 --> 00:20:51,000 Do you have regrets that you weren't stricter 490 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,586 in your polygamy rules? 491 00:20:52,586 --> 00:20:56,241 -No, no-- -And more equitable in your time? 492 00:20:56,241 --> 00:20:58,482 -Oh, I was equitable in my time. -Okay. 493 00:20:58,482 --> 00:20:59,793 See, that's where the lie is. 494 00:20:59,793 --> 00:21:02,689 I had one of my children complaining 495 00:21:02,689 --> 00:21:05,448 that I was always at one wife's house. 496 00:21:05,448 --> 00:21:06,551 And whose house was that? 497 00:21:06,551 --> 00:21:09,068 Oh, it's Robyn's. Robyn's to blame for everything. 498 00:21:09,068 --> 00:21:10,448 And this is the why. 499 00:21:10,448 --> 00:21:13,034 When I say she's to blame for everything, 500 00:21:13,034 --> 00:21:15,172 I'm not blaming her. 501 00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:19,620 But there's something that has drawn the wrath 502 00:21:20,482 --> 00:21:23,586 of jealousy from the public, the tabloids, 503 00:21:23,586 --> 00:21:26,275 from sister wives, something... 504 00:21:26,275 --> 00:21:31,586 to go towards her where she's being blamed for [bleep] that I did, 505 00:21:31,586 --> 00:21:34,000 or [bleep] that I didn't manage. 506 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,482 Or the bad relationship I had with one wife, 507 00:21:38,482 --> 00:21:40,379 "Oh, that's Robyn's fault," 508 00:21:40,379 --> 00:21:43,103 because I had a good relationship with her. 509 00:21:43,103 --> 00:21:45,793 There was a shift of blame towards Robyn 510 00:21:45,793 --> 00:21:49,724 that got to the point where it was making me so angry, 511 00:21:50,689 --> 00:21:52,000 that I was getting to the point 512 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,275 where if you had a complaint about her, 513 00:21:54,275 --> 00:21:57,137 I'd be like, "Shut up. I will punch you in the mouth," you know. 514 00:21:57,137 --> 00:21:59,862 I was getting sick of the complaints, 515 00:21:59,862 --> 00:22:03,137 'cause it was really obvious to me she was doing nothing 516 00:22:03,793 --> 00:22:06,344 but her best to be compliant 517 00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:08,241 to what our family's structure was. 518 00:22:08,241 --> 00:22:12,482 But he thinks you and Janelle were a bully to Robyn. 519 00:22:12,482 --> 00:22:13,482 [scoffs] 520 00:22:13,482 --> 00:22:16,965 And so, he feels like he's got to protect her. 521 00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:18,379 I know. Right? 522 00:22:18,379 --> 00:22:23,275 I have looked back and I have dissected my relationship with Robyn, 523 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:29,000 and I can remember a few conversations that I had with her 524 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,275 that I guess could've been more aggressive, 525 00:22:31,275 --> 00:22:33,172 but we talked about it and we worked it out. 526 00:22:33,172 --> 00:22:34,689 Robyn, one time, I offended her. 527 00:22:34,689 --> 00:22:35,689 It was something that I said. 528 00:22:35,689 --> 00:22:38,965 She'd come over to my house, we talked about it 529 00:22:38,965 --> 00:22:41,586 for a while, and I thought we were fine after that. 530 00:22:41,586 --> 00:22:43,689 And then I heard later about it again, 531 00:22:43,689 --> 00:22:45,241 and again, and again. 532 00:22:45,241 --> 00:22:46,758 And I'm like, I thought we were fine. 533 00:22:46,758 --> 00:22:48,655 I thought we talked about it, and it was over. 534 00:22:48,655 --> 00:22:50,172 So what was that thing? 535 00:22:50,172 --> 00:22:51,965 I just... 536 00:22:51,965 --> 00:22:53,379 It's just so stupid. 537 00:22:53,379 --> 00:22:56,000 It's this stupid personality test. 538 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,586 I delved into it because I was fascinated 539 00:22:58,586 --> 00:23:02,793 with the different kind of personalities that we all have. 540 00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:04,379 So I was talking to her about hers, 541 00:23:04,379 --> 00:23:07,482 and instantly, I felt the tension, I'm like, what did I say? 542 00:23:07,482 --> 00:23:09,758 Well, what did you say about her? 543 00:23:09,758 --> 00:23:11,896 Okay. In her personality type... 544 00:23:11,896 --> 00:23:14,137 Her personality type loves drama. 545 00:23:14,137 --> 00:23:17,448 They love drama. They love talking about their drama, 546 00:23:17,448 --> 00:23:20,655 so other people can feel how they feel. 547 00:23:20,655 --> 00:23:22,379 On the flip side, 548 00:23:22,379 --> 00:23:24,137 they love listening to everybody's drama. 549 00:23:24,137 --> 00:23:26,448 They love it. It is what they do. 550 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:29,448 They live for that connection with people, over drama. 551 00:23:29,448 --> 00:23:31,862 That's what she got mad at. It was me calling her dramatic. 552 00:23:31,862 --> 00:23:34,000 Okay, so there's a personality test 553 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,448 that Christine was talking about. 554 00:23:35,448 --> 00:23:37,275 Do you remember the personality test at all? 555 00:23:37,275 --> 00:23:39,275 Yeah. I don't remember what everybody was, 556 00:23:39,275 --> 00:23:40,482 but yes, I remember taking it. 557 00:23:40,482 --> 00:23:43,344 -Do you remember, like, what your personality was? -Yeah. 558 00:23:43,344 --> 00:23:47,000 I'm the diplomat, the peacemaker. 559 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,758 Okay. Do you agree with that? 560 00:23:48,758 --> 00:23:51,379 In my best moments, I'm that person. 561 00:23:51,379 --> 00:23:52,482 [both laughing] 562 00:23:52,482 --> 00:23:55,103 -Do you remember what Robyn was? -No. 563 00:23:55,103 --> 00:23:56,965 -Do you remember what Christine was? -No. 564 00:23:56,965 --> 00:23:59,034 Christine shared with us the personality test 565 00:23:59,034 --> 00:24:00,413 that you guys have done. 566 00:24:00,413 --> 00:24:02,689 -What was your personality type, out of curiosity? -Can't remember. 567 00:24:02,689 --> 00:24:04,551 I don't remember. 568 00:24:04,551 --> 00:24:06,137 Did you agree with it? 569 00:24:06,137 --> 00:24:07,965 I did. I remember agreeing with it. 570 00:24:07,965 --> 00:24:10,586 It seemed very similar to what my personality is, 571 00:24:10,586 --> 00:24:13,000 maybe a three, or a "B." 572 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,344 I don't know what it was. 573 00:24:14,344 --> 00:24:16,379 Do you remember any of the others'? 574 00:24:16,379 --> 00:24:17,896 Nope. 575 00:24:17,896 --> 00:24:20,379 Obviously, it was forgettable for me. 576 00:24:20,379 --> 00:24:22,896 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just curious. -[laughing] 577 00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:26,034 I'm just curious if you agreed with your personality test. 578 00:24:26,034 --> 00:24:29,379 I do remember agreeing with my personality test. 579 00:24:29,379 --> 00:24:31,172 And did you think your other sister wives 580 00:24:31,172 --> 00:24:33,103 were described pretty accurately? 581 00:24:33,103 --> 00:24:35,655 I felt like it was fairly accurate. Yeah. 582 00:24:35,655 --> 00:24:38,896 So do you remember the personality test? 583 00:24:38,896 --> 00:24:40,862 I never took it, but I remember it, yeah. 584 00:24:40,862 --> 00:24:42,896 -You never took it? -I never did. [chuckles] 585 00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:46,275 -Wait-- -Some us did, and I just never did. 586 00:24:46,275 --> 00:24:47,482 Huh. 587 00:24:47,482 --> 00:24:49,862 Christine had mentioned that you guys took it, 588 00:24:49,862 --> 00:24:52,379 where you guys talk about, like, how... 589 00:24:52,379 --> 00:24:55,275 what type of archetype you become, like, you know, 590 00:24:55,275 --> 00:24:56,689 -who are you. -Oh. 591 00:24:56,689 --> 00:24:58,517 Oh, wait. Maybe I did. 592 00:24:59,965 --> 00:25:02,310 It was described as you... as somebody who 593 00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:06,344 liked drama, and that 594 00:25:06,344 --> 00:25:09,000 you were really upset about it, 595 00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:12,172 and it kind of created this tension 596 00:25:12,172 --> 00:25:13,344 between the two of you-- 597 00:25:13,344 --> 00:25:15,448 -I don't have a memory of this. -Okay. 598 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,413 And I don't... 599 00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:21,758 If there was... 600 00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:24,586 That's interesting. No, I don't remember taking it. 601 00:25:24,586 --> 00:25:26,689 -It's okay. It doesn't matter. -I never filled out questionnaires. 602 00:25:26,689 --> 00:25:31,896 So if somebody was coming up with my personality type, 603 00:25:31,896 --> 00:25:33,758 they were taking the test for me... 604 00:25:33,758 --> 00:25:34,793 Okay. 605 00:25:34,793 --> 00:25:36,551 ...and making the choices for me, 606 00:25:36,551 --> 00:25:39,586 and going, "Oh, well, I think this is who you are." 607 00:25:39,586 --> 00:25:41,034 And that was when... 608 00:25:41,034 --> 00:25:43,896 You know, and if that's somebody doing that, that means... 609 00:25:43,896 --> 00:25:46,172 Like, Christine didn't know me well. 610 00:25:46,172 --> 00:25:48,896 She didn't take the time to know me very well. 611 00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:50,379 [Christine] Hmm. 612 00:25:50,379 --> 00:25:52,275 Can you name a reason why you're not friends with Robyn? 613 00:25:52,275 --> 00:25:54,275 Well, I don't trust her. 614 00:25:54,275 --> 00:25:56,482 I think she says one thing, but does another. 615 00:25:56,482 --> 00:25:59,586 How can you say you want the whole big family picture, 616 00:25:59,586 --> 00:26:02,758 but then do all these separate things with Kody? 617 00:26:02,758 --> 00:26:05,586 How can you say you want the whole big family picture 618 00:26:05,586 --> 00:26:07,344 when he's over at your house all the time? 619 00:26:07,344 --> 00:26:08,758 So if you don't trust her, 620 00:26:08,758 --> 00:26:10,068 how do you have a relationship with her? 621 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:12,689 I'm not going to, not even "How do you?" I will not. 622 00:26:12,689 --> 00:26:15,896 But you shut down that relationship pretty quickly. 623 00:26:15,896 --> 00:26:18,000 Yes. Yes. 624 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,862 I don't wanna sit here and blame Robyn, 'cause it's like... [sighs] 625 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,965 I'm not gonna be her friend, 'cause I don't believe her. 626 00:26:23,965 --> 00:26:27,379 But I'm not gonna blame her for everything falling apart. 627 00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:29,896 I think we probably all had something to do with that. 628 00:26:29,896 --> 00:26:32,655 I feel like my relationship with Robyn, like, 629 00:26:32,655 --> 00:26:35,275 that's something that she and I are working on, 630 00:26:35,275 --> 00:26:37,172 and trying to figure out and navigate, 631 00:26:37,172 --> 00:26:38,793 because it is different. 632 00:26:38,793 --> 00:26:40,551 You know, as much as I think 633 00:26:40,551 --> 00:26:43,482 we would like to say "No, it's not," it is, 634 00:26:43,482 --> 00:26:46,793 because now I'm friends with my ex-husband's wife. 635 00:26:46,793 --> 00:26:50,689 And I'm emotionally 636 00:26:50,689 --> 00:26:54,586 not 100% there yet. 637 00:26:54,586 --> 00:26:57,172 Do you still consider her a sister wife? 638 00:26:57,172 --> 00:26:59,896 No, because when you're a sister wife, 639 00:26:59,896 --> 00:27:01,448 it's because you're married to the same man. 640 00:27:01,448 --> 00:27:03,448 And I am a single woman. 641 00:27:06,068 --> 00:27:08,103 Are you less lonely out in Parowan? 642 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,586 Yeah. 643 00:27:10,586 --> 00:27:12,793 -You have a bigger support system there? -Yeah. 644 00:27:12,793 --> 00:27:16,413 My best friend, Jenn, is the one person 645 00:27:16,793 --> 00:27:19,000 in the past decade 646 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,344 that I have trusted more than anybody else. 647 00:27:22,344 --> 00:27:25,482 You're admitting you don't trust your sister wives. 648 00:27:25,482 --> 00:27:26,793 Help me understand that. 649 00:27:26,793 --> 00:27:28,793 Because I know she has my back. 650 00:27:28,793 --> 00:27:32,241 I know that whatever I want, she will support me in. 651 00:27:32,241 --> 00:27:35,379 I know she doesn't go out talking trash about me. 652 00:27:35,379 --> 00:27:37,931 Why don't you feel that way about your sister wives then? 653 00:27:38,482 --> 00:27:40,758 They don't have my back. 654 00:27:41,586 --> 00:27:42,965 -Robyn has your back. -Oh, by the way... 655 00:27:42,965 --> 00:27:46,000 I don't have sister wives, just FYI. [chuckles] 656 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,862 Robyn has my back, yes. 657 00:27:47,862 --> 00:27:48,965 Robyn has my back. 658 00:27:48,965 --> 00:27:50,965 But you don't trust her implicitly. 659 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,620 Um, no. 660 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,310 -Why? -Um... 661 00:27:57,275 --> 00:27:59,482 During the catfishing situation, 662 00:27:59,482 --> 00:28:02,655 there was a friend of Robyn's at the time, 663 00:28:02,655 --> 00:28:05,793 that kind of inserted herself, um, meaning... 664 00:28:05,793 --> 00:28:07,448 -The person who catfished you. -...crazy person. 665 00:28:07,448 --> 00:28:09,000 -Yeah. -A psycho. [chuckles] 666 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,586 -Anyway... -That catfished you. Okay. 667 00:28:10,586 --> 00:28:13,206 Yeah, so this friend of Robyn's, 668 00:28:13,862 --> 00:28:15,586 who is feeding her information 669 00:28:15,586 --> 00:28:17,689 and making her and Kody believe 670 00:28:17,689 --> 00:28:20,000 that I was off having an affair. 671 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,793 And then Robyn would talk to me, 672 00:28:22,793 --> 00:28:24,758 and I'm like, "Robyn, I've never met this person. 673 00:28:24,758 --> 00:28:27,000 I don't know what you're talking about." 674 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,862 So I pulled way back, and so it kind of caused 675 00:28:29,862 --> 00:28:31,896 a lack of trust between me and Robyn. 676 00:28:31,896 --> 00:28:34,896 But that trust is built back up. 677 00:28:34,896 --> 00:28:38,655 There was somebody that was trying to convince me 678 00:28:38,655 --> 00:28:40,000 that there was something going on, 679 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,172 and I finally just said to this person, 680 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000 "I don't believe you. 681 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,482 And unless you've got proof, 682 00:28:48,482 --> 00:28:51,275 I don't want you to talk about it with me anymore." 683 00:28:51,275 --> 00:28:54,275 And then it was a process of rebuilding your trust with each other, right? 684 00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:57,103 No... no, because our relationship... 685 00:28:57,103 --> 00:29:00,068 there wasn't a problem in our relationship, in my head. 686 00:29:00,068 --> 00:29:02,344 -Mmm-hmm. -What there was was... 687 00:29:02,344 --> 00:29:05,068 My understanding was that because she was in this weird, 688 00:29:05,068 --> 00:29:07,758 awkward place and she felt scared to talk to anybody. 689 00:29:09,034 --> 00:29:11,103 Not because of something I was doing. 690 00:29:11,103 --> 00:29:15,000 I told her anything and everything that I was being told, 691 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,758 'cause I wanted her to understand what was happening. 692 00:29:18,482 --> 00:29:19,896 Ultimately, don't you think... 693 00:29:19,896 --> 00:29:22,034 just seeing this situation with Meri, 694 00:29:22,034 --> 00:29:25,000 ultimately, that's a good thing for Meri right now. 695 00:29:25,379 --> 00:29:27,448 -To leave. -Yeah. 696 00:29:28,068 --> 00:29:29,137 Yeah. 697 00:29:29,137 --> 00:29:32,241 As hard as it is to say it out loud, 698 00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:34,379 it's a good thing for your sister wife, 699 00:29:34,379 --> 00:29:37,758 or your ex-sister wife to be able to... 700 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,724 ...live her life. 701 00:29:42,793 --> 00:29:44,275 I'm sorry, what did you just say? 702 00:29:44,275 --> 00:29:45,862 'Cause I called her an ex-sister wife. 703 00:29:57,034 --> 00:29:59,000 [crying] 704 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,758 I'm sorry. 705 00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:05,551 No, that hit you hard. I'm sorry... I'm sorry. 706 00:30:06,068 --> 00:30:07,413 I know. 707 00:30:08,275 --> 00:30:09,689 That's not how I see her. 708 00:30:09,689 --> 00:30:11,103 How do you see her? 709 00:30:11,103 --> 00:30:13,310 She's my sister wife. 710 00:30:15,551 --> 00:30:16,758 So is Janelle. 711 00:30:17,655 --> 00:30:19,241 And so is Christine. 712 00:30:23,482 --> 00:30:26,034 I'm sorry, I don't know how to let this go. 713 00:30:27,379 --> 00:30:29,586 And this isn't me just being dramatic. 714 00:30:29,586 --> 00:30:30,586 Thank you, Christine. 715 00:30:30,586 --> 00:30:33,551 Oh, it's so horrible to have her say that. 716 00:30:34,482 --> 00:30:35,758 Gosh. 717 00:30:35,758 --> 00:30:37,344 [narrator reading] 718 00:30:37,344 --> 00:30:41,000 But did you all blend together when Robyn came in? 719 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,275 I think that some people felt like 720 00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:46,068 this was forced on them. 721 00:30:46,068 --> 00:30:48,413 They were being told to, 722 00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:50,379 you know, sit down and shut up, 723 00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:52,896 and to accept this family being merged in. 724 00:30:52,896 --> 00:30:56,000 And I feel like maybe we should've taken some time. 725 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,862 There's not a division with Robyn and her kids. 726 00:30:58,862 --> 00:31:02,344 There is now. There is now, because she put it there. 727 00:31:08,689 --> 00:31:10,448 -[man] B cam. Mark. -[clapper clacks] 728 00:31:12,103 --> 00:31:14,379 So in the past, your family's been doing gift exchanges, 729 00:31:14,379 --> 00:31:16,034 and it's something the kids look forward to, right? 730 00:31:16,034 --> 00:31:17,448 Oh, yeah. They love it. It's the best part. 731 00:31:17,448 --> 00:31:19,137 -It's their thing. -It's their thing. 732 00:31:19,137 --> 00:31:20,275 -It's their thing. -Yeah. 733 00:31:20,275 --> 00:31:23,275 And so this next clip is gonna share how something 734 00:31:23,275 --> 00:31:24,896 that was a time for the kids 735 00:31:24,896 --> 00:31:26,896 to kind of connect and enjoy 736 00:31:26,896 --> 00:31:31,000 turned into something that was very difficult 737 00:31:31,379 --> 00:31:33,448 to kind of understand. 738 00:31:33,448 --> 00:31:35,655 So let's watch you and the family discuss this. 739 00:31:36,448 --> 00:31:37,517 [Paedon] A few week ago, 740 00:31:37,517 --> 00:31:40,103 Logan texted a group chat of the siblings, 741 00:31:40,103 --> 00:31:42,275 that he wants to do a sibling gift exchange, 742 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,275 and somebody said, "Okay, let's tell all the parents 743 00:31:44,275 --> 00:31:45,275 about this." 744 00:31:45,275 --> 00:31:47,586 And Robyn gets involved in the conversation 745 00:31:47,586 --> 00:31:49,551 and says, let's do a video chat. 746 00:31:50,586 --> 00:31:55,034 I was pushing for the video chat, 747 00:31:55,034 --> 00:31:56,448 for the sake of the kids. 748 00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:58,379 When I was getting all this pushback, 749 00:31:58,379 --> 00:32:00,482 I was like, fine, I'm out. 750 00:32:00,482 --> 00:32:03,275 You know, this is an effort in futility. 751 00:32:03,275 --> 00:32:04,379 [Christine] So I remember even at one point, 752 00:32:04,379 --> 00:32:06,034 she said, "My kids don't even remember 753 00:32:06,034 --> 00:32:07,482 who their siblings are." 754 00:32:07,482 --> 00:32:10,862 And Hunter was like, "One video call's not gonna help that." 755 00:32:12,275 --> 00:32:14,586 And it got blown out of proportion 756 00:32:14,586 --> 00:32:16,586 that they didn't wanna hang out, 757 00:32:16,586 --> 00:32:18,965 and then, suddenly, no one wanted to hang out. 758 00:32:18,965 --> 00:32:20,379 And then all of these hurt feelings about 759 00:32:20,379 --> 00:32:22,896 when Robyn first came into the family came out, 760 00:32:22,896 --> 00:32:26,172 and it's like, oh, my gosh. 761 00:32:26,172 --> 00:32:29,344 Then it just turned into this whole big, like, 762 00:32:29,344 --> 00:32:34,068 kind of, squabble between my kids 763 00:32:34,068 --> 00:32:37,344 and a bunch of the other kids. 764 00:32:37,344 --> 00:32:41,448 It really just got blown out of proportion, I think. 765 00:32:41,448 --> 00:32:44,896 Everybody was trying to deflect, but it just kept spiraling. 766 00:32:44,896 --> 00:32:46,896 Chk-chk-chk-chk... and it was done. 767 00:32:46,896 --> 00:32:49,034 With some of the things that were said and expressed, 768 00:32:49,034 --> 00:32:51,689 I don't know if we ever come back from it. 769 00:32:51,689 --> 00:32:53,655 [Kody] So when this text thread was going on, 770 00:32:53,655 --> 00:32:55,034 I was just ignoring it. 771 00:32:55,034 --> 00:32:56,965 I wasn't gonna pick sides, one way or the other. 772 00:32:56,965 --> 00:32:59,689 Janelle and Christine's kids have already chosen Janelle and Christine. 773 00:32:59,689 --> 00:33:03,206 I always wanted to have the family have Christmas together. 774 00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,413 It was a horrible day. 775 00:33:07,896 --> 00:33:10,413 I think Robyn jumped to conclusions too fast. 776 00:33:11,379 --> 00:33:15,000 It's just another example of them not wanting 777 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,655 to be a family with us. 778 00:33:16,655 --> 00:33:18,827 It's been like this from the beginning. 779 00:33:20,103 --> 00:33:21,689 How do you see this? 780 00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:24,241 I saw the thread, I just wasn't on it. 781 00:33:24,241 --> 00:33:27,172 I read through it, and I'm like, this is getting insane. 782 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:30,068 -Right. -This is something where I didn't realize 783 00:33:30,068 --> 00:33:32,000 Robyn's kids felt like they did. 784 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,241 And this needs to be handled in therapy. 785 00:33:34,241 --> 00:33:36,896 So Robyn's kids were on the thread saying, this is how we feel? 786 00:33:36,896 --> 00:33:38,551 -Yeah. -Ooh. What did they say? 787 00:33:38,551 --> 00:33:40,068 Yeah, they're just... 788 00:33:40,068 --> 00:33:42,275 They've been feeling like what she said in the end, how they felt like 789 00:33:42,275 --> 00:33:44,379 they were apart from the very beginning. 790 00:33:44,379 --> 00:33:47,172 And I didn't know that. I'm, like, wait a minute. 791 00:33:47,172 --> 00:33:49,655 They feel like that, from the very beginning? 792 00:33:50,586 --> 00:33:52,655 Maybe we should've known. 793 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:55,034 Maybe we should've known that. 794 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:57,965 What had happened was I was being told, 795 00:33:58,689 --> 00:34:02,241 um, that the kids hated me. 796 00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:05,206 -In the text thread? -No. 797 00:34:05,689 --> 00:34:06,862 Before that. 798 00:34:06,862 --> 00:34:10,241 I was being told that the kids hate me and my kids. 799 00:34:10,688 --> 00:34:12,724 Who was telling you that? 800 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,896 Mm. A person. 801 00:34:16,896 --> 00:34:20,241 I was just being told this, and so when I was trying 802 00:34:20,241 --> 00:34:25,482 really hard to get us on a video call 803 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:28,757 for the sake of the little kids... 804 00:34:28,757 --> 00:34:31,103 Because this experience of... 805 00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:36,379 this gift exchange is, like, a really memorable experience 806 00:34:36,379 --> 00:34:38,793 for some of the kids and... 807 00:34:38,793 --> 00:34:41,965 My little kids aren't remembering who their siblings are. 808 00:34:41,965 --> 00:34:46,896 They don't know their names. They don't remember whose name goes with what. 809 00:34:46,896 --> 00:34:48,482 And when I started getting kickback, 810 00:34:48,482 --> 00:34:50,379 I just went, why am I trying here? 811 00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:52,275 What happened? 812 00:34:52,275 --> 00:34:53,688 My children never said anything. 813 00:34:53,688 --> 00:34:55,551 They said, "Look, we're all in the East Coast. 814 00:34:55,551 --> 00:34:58,137 We can't jump on a call at nine o'clock at night," or whatever. 815 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,068 They were asking to schedule. 816 00:35:00,068 --> 00:35:02,655 And then it blew up into this whole thing about, 817 00:35:02,655 --> 00:35:04,379 "Well, you've always treated us so badly. 818 00:35:04,379 --> 00:35:08,172 I'm so tired of working on this, 819 00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:09,862 and I've always been treated so badly." 820 00:35:09,862 --> 00:35:12,793 And we were like, wow. Wow. Just wow. 821 00:35:12,793 --> 00:35:14,793 -Who said that? -That was Robyn. 822 00:35:14,793 --> 00:35:15,931 Oh, Robyn said that. 823 00:35:15,931 --> 00:35:17,482 Robyn was like, "You guys have treated me so badly. 824 00:35:17,482 --> 00:35:19,482 I'm so tired. I don't wanna work on this anymore." 825 00:35:19,482 --> 00:35:23,000 And then all of a sudden, our kids started piling in with these, really things like 826 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,448 "You treated us so horribly. 827 00:35:24,448 --> 00:35:26,275 We're never gonna wanna have our own families, 828 00:35:26,275 --> 00:35:27,586 'cause this was such a horrible experience," 829 00:35:27,586 --> 00:35:29,000 and I'm like, whoa! 830 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,758 -Mm. -Like, I don't know how... 831 00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:34,586 I don't know how we go from, "Let's not have a video call 832 00:35:34,586 --> 00:35:36,482 at 9:00 p.m. Eastern, 833 00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:38,758 to "You guys were so horrible to us." 834 00:35:38,758 --> 00:35:42,241 Like, it just spiraled. It just was insanity. 835 00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,068 They started trying to express themselves, 836 00:35:45,068 --> 00:35:48,448 and the other kids started mocking them 837 00:35:48,448 --> 00:35:49,896 and dismissing them, 838 00:35:49,896 --> 00:35:53,275 and it made them feel very ganged up on. 839 00:35:53,275 --> 00:35:57,793 And so what had happened was my kids came to me 840 00:35:57,793 --> 00:36:01,758 and they said, "We don't feel 841 00:36:01,758 --> 00:36:05,137 emotionally safe to be a part of this 842 00:36:05,137 --> 00:36:08,241 gift exchange anymore." 843 00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:10,137 After that, Robyn just said, 844 00:36:10,137 --> 00:36:11,689 "Dad and I have decided our kids 845 00:36:11,689 --> 00:36:13,965 aren't going to do the gift exchange anymore. 846 00:36:13,965 --> 00:36:16,965 And we're not gonna do it." And they were devastated. 847 00:36:16,965 --> 00:36:19,275 And they were like, "What does that mean? 848 00:36:19,275 --> 00:36:21,344 I thought those were our siblings." 849 00:36:21,344 --> 00:36:25,482 And they're like, why can't we just move past this and be siblings? 850 00:36:25,482 --> 00:36:28,758 There's not a division with Robyn and her kids. 851 00:36:28,758 --> 00:36:32,896 There is now. There is now, because she put it there. 852 00:36:32,896 --> 00:36:35,103 But there wasn't there until then. 853 00:36:35,103 --> 00:36:37,896 Some of the kids, yes. There's been some hard things. 854 00:36:37,896 --> 00:36:39,551 There has been some hard things. 855 00:36:39,551 --> 00:36:42,655 -Some siblings get along better than others. Yes. -Mmm-hmm. 856 00:36:43,137 --> 00:36:47,689 Um, but we tried very hard 857 00:36:47,689 --> 00:36:50,068 to include Robyn and her kids with everything. 858 00:36:50,068 --> 00:36:53,448 I didn't realize Robyn felt like that, from the beginning? 859 00:36:53,448 --> 00:36:55,551 You know, all of a sudden, she comes back with, 860 00:36:55,551 --> 00:36:56,586 "Well, I've talked to your dad, 861 00:36:56,586 --> 00:36:59,241 and we're just gonna do our thing separate." 862 00:36:59,241 --> 00:37:04,344 And so my kids were like, "Our dad? Like, our dad?" 863 00:37:04,344 --> 00:37:05,655 Now, like, it's... 864 00:37:05,655 --> 00:37:07,034 "You mean the father of us all?" 865 00:37:07,034 --> 00:37:08,275 -You know what I mean? -Mmm-hmm. 866 00:37:08,275 --> 00:37:09,793 And then, why did she say what she said, 867 00:37:09,793 --> 00:37:11,758 that "You've never wanted us before, 868 00:37:11,758 --> 00:37:13,379 -and my kids know it now too"? -I don't know. 869 00:37:13,379 --> 00:37:16,000 Like, it's some sort of weird paranoia she carries around, 870 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,103 that we never wanted her. 871 00:37:18,103 --> 00:37:20,758 I don't ever remember saying that. 872 00:37:20,758 --> 00:37:23,896 But Janelle and Christine never knew that your kids felt that way 873 00:37:23,896 --> 00:37:27,344 about everybody else, until they saw the text. 874 00:37:27,344 --> 00:37:30,689 That's not necessarily true. 875 00:37:30,689 --> 00:37:36,551 I've had to go to Janelle and Christine and say, 876 00:37:36,551 --> 00:37:40,379 a child of yours is being hard on a child of mine. 877 00:37:40,379 --> 00:37:42,724 My kids just really, really wanted to belong. 878 00:37:43,896 --> 00:37:46,448 And they had some of the other kids 879 00:37:46,448 --> 00:37:48,103 kind of telling them they didn't belong, 880 00:37:48,103 --> 00:37:51,586 and they weren't part of the family, and things like that. 881 00:37:51,586 --> 00:37:55,379 But did you all blend together when Robyn came in? 882 00:37:55,379 --> 00:38:01,275 So, I feel like that we tried in our own different ways, 883 00:38:01,275 --> 00:38:03,965 and I know since then, 884 00:38:03,965 --> 00:38:08,275 that many people don't feel like we tried very well, 885 00:38:08,275 --> 00:38:11,241 or we had enough conversations, you know. 886 00:38:11,241 --> 00:38:13,965 So I think that we could've done it better. 887 00:38:13,965 --> 00:38:16,689 Who are you referring to when you say that? 888 00:38:16,689 --> 00:38:20,344 I've heard it from multiple people 889 00:38:20,344 --> 00:38:24,000 that, you know, we just should've had a little bit more conversations. 890 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Maybe, you know, some people didn't really feel like... 891 00:38:28,689 --> 00:38:31,172 I think that some people felt like... 892 00:38:31,172 --> 00:38:34,241 that this was forced on them. 893 00:38:34,241 --> 00:38:37,379 Like, they didn't have an opinion. 894 00:38:37,379 --> 00:38:40,000 We're just gonna get married, and we're just gonna have this family, 895 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,896 we're gonna have these kids, 896 00:38:41,896 --> 00:38:45,000 and everybody just has to deal with it. 897 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,172 I know that some people feel like that. 898 00:38:47,172 --> 00:38:50,551 We didn't take the time to listen to our own children. 899 00:38:50,551 --> 00:38:54,275 We just kind of told them to just accept these kids, 900 00:38:54,275 --> 00:38:55,655 like, you know what I mean? 901 00:38:55,655 --> 00:38:57,379 Like, we really hurried and kind of put it together 902 00:38:57,379 --> 00:39:00,379 without really taking everybody's temperature. 903 00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:03,965 They were being told to, you know, sit down 904 00:39:03,965 --> 00:39:07,068 and shut up, and to accept this family being merged in. 905 00:39:07,068 --> 00:39:09,758 And I feel like maybe we should've taken some time. 906 00:39:10,275 --> 00:39:12,000 Can we get back from this? 907 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,689 Can we come back from something like this? 908 00:39:13,689 --> 00:39:15,275 I'm gonna say... 909 00:39:15,275 --> 00:39:18,758 I am not willing, personally... 910 00:39:18,758 --> 00:39:20,793 I'm not willing to fix it yet. 911 00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:23,310 There's still so much 912 00:39:24,689 --> 00:39:28,586 blown-out-of-proportion comments that are being made, 913 00:39:28,586 --> 00:39:30,448 that are so outlandish. 914 00:39:30,448 --> 00:39:34,896 I'm, like, I am not interested in fixing anything right now. 915 00:39:34,896 --> 00:39:36,275 With the kids, yes, always. 916 00:39:36,275 --> 00:39:39,689 But with Kody and Robyn, no. Not yet. 917 00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:41,172 No, I don't trust them right now, 918 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,758 and I realize that takes communication, 919 00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:45,103 but that takes a desire, 920 00:39:45,103 --> 00:39:46,965 and that takes something you want to do. 921 00:39:46,965 --> 00:39:49,172 I don't want to right now, just to be honest, 922 00:39:49,172 --> 00:39:50,448 and just to be real. 923 00:39:50,448 --> 00:39:51,689 [Sukanya] Okay. 924 00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:52,655 [narrator reading] 925 00:39:52,655 --> 00:39:55,172 I'm engaged to... I know, engaged! 926 00:39:55,172 --> 00:39:57,241 I'm engaged, I'm getting married! 927 00:39:57,241 --> 00:39:58,275 To the love of my life. 928 00:39:58,275 --> 00:40:00,137 -Can you show off that ring? -Yes. 929 00:40:00,137 --> 00:40:02,172 I met the love of my life. I did. 930 00:40:02,172 --> 00:40:05,068 How different is the relationship with David 931 00:40:05,068 --> 00:40:06,862 than it is with Kody? 932 00:40:15,275 --> 00:40:16,758 [man] It's rolling now. 933 00:40:16,758 --> 00:40:20,448 So where are you at now, and who are you seeing? 934 00:40:20,448 --> 00:40:22,000 -Yes, so-- -Who are you dating? 935 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,275 Yes. [squeals] 936 00:40:23,275 --> 00:40:26,034 So I'm engaged to... I know, engaged! 937 00:40:26,034 --> 00:40:28,068 I'm engaged, I'm getting married! 938 00:40:28,068 --> 00:40:29,068 To the love of my life. 939 00:40:29,068 --> 00:40:31,068 -Can you show off that ring? -Yes. 940 00:40:31,068 --> 00:40:33,034 I met the love of my life. I did. 941 00:40:33,034 --> 00:40:34,482 -Okay... -Soulmate. 942 00:40:34,482 --> 00:40:36,793 You wanna hear about it? Okay, so we met online. 943 00:40:36,793 --> 00:40:39,689 And it was like... I knew what I was looking for. 944 00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:42,000 I wanted a partner. I wanted someone to have a good time with, 945 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,586 but I really was only casually dating. 946 00:40:43,586 --> 00:40:46,068 I wasn't looking for, like, the one, you know. 947 00:40:46,482 --> 00:40:47,655 But then I see... 948 00:40:47,655 --> 00:40:50,137 I signed up to do this online dating thing. 949 00:40:50,137 --> 00:40:52,275 And the night that I signed up for it, 950 00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:54,482 there was his picture, and he has these eyes. 951 00:40:54,482 --> 00:40:57,448 And I'm like, I wanna be looked at with those eyes 952 00:40:57,448 --> 00:41:00,379 with the look of love in 'em, for the rest of my life, so check. 953 00:41:00,379 --> 00:41:03,206 So I went on a date with him, and met him in person... 954 00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:07,482 -And he's just charming. -Mm. 955 00:41:07,482 --> 00:41:12,000 And he's kind, and he's sweet, and he says everything right. 956 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,965 Everything right. So sweet and so kind. 957 00:41:13,965 --> 00:41:15,448 So immediately, I'm all, that can't be right. 958 00:41:15,448 --> 00:41:16,896 There's no way he can be that great. 959 00:41:16,896 --> 00:41:19,241 And then after that, we just had a couple more dates, 960 00:41:19,241 --> 00:41:21,896 and I still was like, is he real? 961 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:23,379 You know, is this really real? 962 00:41:23,379 --> 00:41:26,068 'Cause he says everything and it's just so perfect. 963 00:41:26,068 --> 00:41:28,344 So he goes, "Would you wanna come to my birthday party? 964 00:41:28,344 --> 00:41:29,482 And you can meet my whole family. 965 00:41:29,482 --> 00:41:30,862 I'm like, yes. 966 00:41:30,862 --> 00:41:33,689 Because when you meet the family, then you can see if it's real. 967 00:41:33,689 --> 00:41:35,793 No, I met them all, and they were amazing. 968 00:41:35,793 --> 00:41:38,068 And then at the dinner is when I fell in love with him. 969 00:41:38,068 --> 00:41:39,862 -I'm not kidding, it was that fast. -I love it. 970 00:41:39,862 --> 00:41:43,000 It was, like, our fourth date. We're sitting there with this huge group of people, 971 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,655 and he pulls his chair... my chair to him, 972 00:41:46,655 --> 00:41:48,793 and he puts his arm around me, 973 00:41:48,793 --> 00:41:51,137 and I put my head against his chest, 974 00:41:52,482 --> 00:41:54,689 and it was like I took my first breath. 975 00:41:54,689 --> 00:41:57,586 And my heart beat for the first time. 976 00:41:57,586 --> 00:41:58,655 [Sukanya] Aw. 977 00:41:58,655 --> 00:42:01,275 And I didn't even know what I didn't have before. 978 00:42:01,275 --> 00:42:02,931 But I knew at that point 979 00:42:03,482 --> 00:42:04,551 that this was it. 980 00:42:04,551 --> 00:42:06,586 He's it for me, and he's my soulmate, 981 00:42:06,586 --> 00:42:08,551 and I love him. 982 00:42:08,551 --> 00:42:11,482 How different is the relationship with David 983 00:42:11,482 --> 00:42:14,103 than it is with Kody? 984 00:42:15,551 --> 00:42:19,413 So, first thing I realized was that 985 00:42:19,793 --> 00:42:21,896 David loves me. 986 00:42:21,896 --> 00:42:25,275 He loves me, and I felt so loved. 987 00:42:25,275 --> 00:42:29,793 But with that comes a confidence that I can just be me. 988 00:42:29,793 --> 00:42:31,586 There's no strings attached to it. Nothing. 989 00:42:31,586 --> 00:42:36,137 I don't have to do anything to earn his love. 990 00:42:36,137 --> 00:42:38,103 It isn't... It's just always there. 991 00:42:38,103 --> 00:42:39,586 It's just always constant. 992 00:42:39,586 --> 00:42:41,448 May I ask you a total girlfriend question? 993 00:42:41,448 --> 00:42:43,000 -Yeah. Yeah. -Okay. 994 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,172 So you know when you kiss somebody, you feel that, like, unh... 995 00:42:47,172 --> 00:42:49,655 like from the bottom of your toes to the top of your head, 996 00:42:49,655 --> 00:42:51,034 and then it's like that... 997 00:42:51,034 --> 00:42:53,275 Did you feel that, like, in ever-- 998 00:42:53,275 --> 00:42:54,241 -The first kiss? -Yeah. 999 00:42:54,241 --> 00:42:56,172 Yes. Yes. 1000 00:42:56,172 --> 00:42:58,965 Yes. It was a movie. 1001 00:42:58,965 --> 00:43:02,551 All... It was hours of goodness 1002 00:43:02,551 --> 00:43:04,689 rolled up into that kiss. 1003 00:43:04,689 --> 00:43:05,689 -Yes. -Yeah. 1004 00:43:05,689 --> 00:43:07,793 It was 100% everything. 1005 00:43:07,793 --> 00:43:09,655 Yeah, and then you know. 1006 00:43:09,655 --> 00:43:14,241 Yes. I'm like, oh, that's what it's like... 1007 00:43:14,241 --> 00:43:18,275 to feel desired and desirable. 1008 00:43:18,275 --> 00:43:21,275 -Mm. -It was magical. Magical. 1009 00:43:21,275 --> 00:43:23,482 I can't wait... I can't wait for you to meet him. 1010 00:43:23,482 --> 00:43:25,793 I love introducing him to people. I love it. 1011 00:43:25,793 --> 00:43:28,793 He got to meet Janelle, so excited. 1012 00:43:28,793 --> 00:43:30,379 And then, same thing, every time I get 1013 00:43:30,379 --> 00:43:31,862 to introduce him to anybody, I'm like, 1014 00:43:31,862 --> 00:43:33,482 you just wait, just wait. 1015 00:43:33,482 --> 00:43:36,068 [narrator] Next time on Sister Wives One on One. 1016 00:43:36,068 --> 00:43:38,448 I'm sorry, Christine, if I'm telling on you. 1017 00:43:38,448 --> 00:43:40,379 She said, "I did not know what it was like 1018 00:43:40,379 --> 00:43:42,172 to be loved like this." 1019 00:43:42,172 --> 00:43:44,896 Do you actually think Robyn really wants to live a plural life? 1020 00:43:44,896 --> 00:43:47,482 No, I don't think that Robyn has any desire 1021 00:43:47,482 --> 00:43:49,137 to live polygamy or plural marriage. 1022 00:43:49,137 --> 00:43:52,103 I don't think Christine knows Robyn at all. 1023 00:43:52,103 --> 00:43:53,965 She was a [bleep] sister wife. 1024 00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:57,344 She'll probably, and I hope, be a very good wife for David. 1025 00:43:57,344 --> 00:43:59,137 Could you find happiness 1026 00:44:00,068 --> 00:44:02,172 with just Kody, at this time? 1027 00:44:05,034 --> 00:44:06,931 I wanna say yes... 1028 00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:11,103 to be loving and respectful to Kody. 1029 00:44:11,103 --> 00:44:13,344 I wanna say yes, but... 1030 00:44:13,344 --> 00:44:16,482 -I think we all need to meet him. -I agree. 1031 00:44:16,482 --> 00:44:18,000 -Hey, baby... -Hey, David. Come on out! 1032 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,172 -So nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 1033 00:44:19,172 --> 00:44:20,448 I have so many questions. 1034 00:44:20,448 --> 00:44:21,896 Can I ask you all the questions 1035 00:44:21,896 --> 00:44:24,241 -that inquiring minds want to know? -Sure. 1036 00:44:24,241 --> 00:44:26,344 Here's the thing. For David's sake, 1037 00:44:26,344 --> 00:44:28,482 Christine has to destroy my character, 1038 00:44:28,482 --> 00:44:31,034 or David doesn't feel like he can marry her, 1039 00:44:31,034 --> 00:44:32,758 'cause she left a good man.