1 00:00:00,661 --> 00:00:01,949 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives One on One... 2 00:00:01,966 --> 00:00:03,898 [Sukanya] Were you in love with Meri when you married her? 3 00:00:03,915 --> 00:00:07,694 She thinks I was madly, head-over-heels over her, 4 00:00:07,711 --> 00:00:11,559 and we acted that... we played that out. 5 00:00:11,576 --> 00:00:16,610 But there was... a lot of dysfunction that we had. 6 00:00:16,627 --> 00:00:19,745 You know, "Robyn, don't put this pressure on me 7 00:00:19,762 --> 00:00:22,389 of the fact that we're a family, 8 00:00:22,406 --> 00:00:22,898 'cause we're not. 9 00:00:22,915 --> 00:00:25,542 You know, there's this cognitive dissonance." 10 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:28,474 I'm like, "Well, maybe you should've communicated 11 00:00:28,491 --> 00:00:29,389 that we weren't. 12 00:00:29,406 --> 00:00:31,457 And then maybe I wouldn't be acting 13 00:00:31,474 --> 00:00:32,627 like I'm trying 14 00:00:32,644 --> 00:00:34,830 to still be part of the family. 15 00:00:34,847 --> 00:00:36,677 Meri did ask her to be there, but-- 16 00:00:36,694 --> 00:00:38,762 I know. It's because Robyn says that she can speak Kody, 17 00:00:38,779 --> 00:00:40,491 and I'm like bull... [bleep]. 18 00:00:40,508 --> 00:00:42,542 Sorry. Okay, sorry. I'm gonna be nice. 19 00:00:42,559 --> 00:00:43,627 No, I'm not. 20 00:00:43,644 --> 00:00:45,779 As Robyn, I never would've put myself in that position. 21 00:00:45,796 --> 00:00:49,406 If Kody can't talk to Meri alone, 22 00:00:49,423 --> 00:00:50,711 then they probably shouldn't be having 23 00:00:50,728 --> 00:00:51,745 any kind of conversation. 24 00:00:51,762 --> 00:00:55,830 I love her and want her to have a happy life, 25 00:00:55,847 --> 00:00:58,644 but I don't think her and I can functionally 26 00:00:58,661 --> 00:01:00,457 be in a relationship. 27 00:01:00,474 --> 00:01:02,542 When he told me that he has no desire 28 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:04,525 to ever work on a relationship, 29 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:07,796 like, that was very, very painful. 30 00:01:07,813 --> 00:01:09,881 Did you pick up the phone and just call him? 31 00:01:09,898 --> 00:01:11,762 I don't think he would've heard me. 32 00:01:11,779 --> 00:01:13,542 Isn't it not about him hearing you, 33 00:01:13,559 --> 00:01:16,033 isn't it about you being heard? 34 00:01:17,474 --> 00:01:19,406 Oh, my voice will be heard. 35 00:01:19,423 --> 00:01:21,271 I will no longer be silent. 36 00:01:22,491 --> 00:01:25,406 [Sukanya] This isSister Wives One on One. 37 00:01:27,322 --> 00:01:27,898 [man] Standby. Here we go. 38 00:01:27,914 --> 00:01:30,305 [Kody] What needs to be talked about? 39 00:01:30,322 --> 00:01:31,795 You and me. 40 00:01:31,813 --> 00:01:34,559 Meri, we have those discussions. 41 00:01:34,576 --> 00:01:37,237 And so I think those discussions have been made clear. 42 00:01:37,559 --> 00:01:39,525 Yeah. They're very clear. 43 00:01:39,542 --> 00:01:41,508 He said, "Don't you understand, Meri? 44 00:01:41,525 --> 00:01:43,627 This is never going to happen. 45 00:01:43,644 --> 00:01:46,491 I have no interest in having a relationship with you." 46 00:01:46,508 --> 00:01:49,644 This agreement that I gave you, 47 00:01:49,661 --> 00:01:52,389 our sacred covenant, 48 00:01:53,795 --> 00:01:57,745 was if I'm ever not in love with you, 49 00:01:57,762 --> 00:02:02,237 I won't just sit there and be in a pathetic place with you. 50 00:02:03,457 --> 00:02:06,135 You made me promise you that. 51 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:09,203 [Robyn crying] 52 00:02:10,644 --> 00:02:12,728 How is it fair to be in a marriage 53 00:02:12,745 --> 00:02:15,491 when there's nothing there? 54 00:02:17,457 --> 00:02:19,440 I can't do it one-sided, Robyn. 55 00:02:20,406 --> 00:02:21,728 Wait, Robyn was there? 56 00:02:21,745 --> 00:02:23,694 Your reaction to that? 57 00:02:23,711 --> 00:02:25,593 Why was Robyn there? 58 00:02:25,610 --> 00:02:26,694 What's up with that conversation 59 00:02:26,711 --> 00:02:28,491 where Kody promised Robyn something? 60 00:02:28,508 --> 00:02:31,864 He would leave, yet he's been considering Meri 61 00:02:31,881 --> 00:02:35,016 pathetic for years, and letting her hang on? 62 00:02:35,033 --> 00:02:38,677 And he said that she found out about that publicly, 63 00:02:38,694 --> 00:02:39,864 he didn't say it to her face. 64 00:02:39,881 --> 00:02:41,779 He didn't consider them married anymore. 65 00:02:41,796 --> 00:02:44,677 -That he wasn't... -It was in a clip that was showed. 66 00:02:44,694 --> 00:02:47,406 I don't really consider myself married to Meri. 67 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,542 I just... If she wanted to move on 68 00:02:51,559 --> 00:02:52,525 and marry another, 69 00:02:52,542 --> 00:02:54,525 she wouldn't get an argument with me. 70 00:02:54,542 --> 00:02:56,423 That's got to be the most humiliating, 71 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,288 terrible thing to live through. 72 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:00,474 That's terrible. 73 00:03:01,593 --> 00:03:03,949 You needed to hear it from him. 74 00:03:03,966 --> 00:03:08,745 You did not want to infer it from all the other instances 75 00:03:08,762 --> 00:03:11,559 -that have happened. -I was not going to guess. 76 00:03:11,576 --> 00:03:13,813 I was not going to assume. 77 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:17,254 I deserve to have a conversation, 78 00:03:18,355 --> 00:03:20,559 and to be told. 79 00:03:20,576 --> 00:03:24,135 And if he wasn't the kind of man to do that... 80 00:03:24,694 --> 00:03:26,593 Like, I don't even know. 81 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:28,491 Like, I don't know. 82 00:03:28,508 --> 00:03:32,559 He should've been the kind of man to do that, 83 00:03:32,576 --> 00:03:34,627 to have the conversation with me, 84 00:03:34,644 --> 00:03:36,694 and be open and honest with me, 85 00:03:36,711 --> 00:03:39,745 instead of telling everybody else but me. 86 00:03:39,762 --> 00:03:40,932 -Mmm-hmm. -That was uncool. 87 00:03:40,949 --> 00:03:44,389 On the flip side, don't you think he's been telling you all along? 88 00:03:46,305 --> 00:03:50,288 Um, it was a really low, 89 00:03:50,728 --> 00:03:52,474 uncool way to do it, 90 00:03:52,491 --> 00:03:54,796 if that's what he was doing. 91 00:03:54,813 --> 00:03:56,829 -I'm just saying, through his actions. -Yes. 92 00:03:56,847 --> 00:04:00,593 -There's been a lot of inaction. -Yes. Yes. 93 00:04:00,610 --> 00:04:04,542 And I agree with you, and yes, I do feel like that. 94 00:04:04,559 --> 00:04:08,542 But because of the commitment that I hold dear... 95 00:04:08,559 --> 00:04:09,728 -Mmm-hmm. -He didn't hold dear. 96 00:04:09,745 --> 00:04:11,389 He holds it dear with Robyn. 97 00:04:12,423 --> 00:04:13,593 -Okay. -Yep. 98 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:14,728 How is their covenant different 99 00:04:14,745 --> 00:04:16,507 than the covenant you made with him? 100 00:04:16,524 --> 00:04:19,627 Because he fell out of love with me, 101 00:04:19,644 --> 00:04:21,372 or whatever. 102 00:04:21,389 --> 00:04:23,491 I only base that off of that scene 103 00:04:23,508 --> 00:04:26,694 where he said to her, um... 104 00:04:26,711 --> 00:04:28,576 -"If we ever fall out of love..." -"If we ever..." 105 00:04:28,593 --> 00:04:29,881 "If I ever fall out of love with you, 106 00:04:29,898 --> 00:04:32,610 don't string me along," or whatever his words were. 107 00:04:32,627 --> 00:04:34,271 Did he ever say that to you? 108 00:04:34,288 --> 00:04:35,593 No. 109 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:37,593 And this is the reason I hammered Robyn, 110 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:38,779 with our agreement. 111 00:04:38,796 --> 00:04:42,558 Robyn and I made an agreement that if we weren't in love, 112 00:04:42,576 --> 00:04:44,372 that we wouldn't drag each other out, 113 00:04:44,389 --> 00:04:45,813 that we would free each other. 114 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:48,728 Did you make that same covenant to Meri? 115 00:04:48,745 --> 00:04:49,864 -That you would free each other? -Uh, no, no. 116 00:04:49,881 --> 00:04:50,915 The agreement, I think, was just... 117 00:04:50,932 --> 00:04:54,355 I remember after Robyn and I had that agreement... 118 00:04:55,864 --> 00:04:59,406 then I went to the other wives and said, 119 00:04:59,423 --> 00:05:01,322 "I have this agreement with Robyn." 120 00:05:01,338 --> 00:05:02,644 They even got frustrated by... 121 00:05:02,661 --> 00:05:05,610 Like, "Anybody who wants to leave, you're free to go." 122 00:05:05,627 --> 00:05:07,762 And that even made Meri mad. 123 00:05:07,779 --> 00:05:10,338 What did you think about Robyn being here 124 00:05:10,355 --> 00:05:11,813 in this whole situation, 125 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:14,813 and then this is, like, Meri's moment that has-- 126 00:05:14,830 --> 00:05:17,813 I don't... I don't get that at all. 127 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:21,796 I do not get why they... She always feels the need... 128 00:05:21,813 --> 00:05:23,474 I think that should be a red flag to her, 129 00:05:23,491 --> 00:05:25,711 that she feels the need to have somebody there 130 00:05:25,728 --> 00:05:28,542 when she's communicating with her husband. 131 00:05:28,559 --> 00:05:30,508 Did you ever circle back to her and say, 132 00:05:30,525 --> 00:05:32,406 "Hey, listen, I've been thinking about this, 133 00:05:32,423 --> 00:05:34,661 and I sat with this, 134 00:05:34,677 --> 00:05:36,491 but I don't know if I can really make it work." 135 00:05:36,508 --> 00:05:38,372 -Yeah. Yeah, like... -Okay. 136 00:05:38,389 --> 00:05:40,271 Well, wait... 137 00:05:41,762 --> 00:05:45,406 We don't go deep into it, 138 00:05:45,423 --> 00:05:49,220 because I don't want her reacting 139 00:05:49,576 --> 00:05:51,525 in a crazy way. 140 00:05:51,542 --> 00:05:53,423 I'm not ripping off a Band-Aid, 141 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,644 but I know where we're at. 142 00:05:55,661 --> 00:05:57,898 And I've made that clear to her. 143 00:05:57,915 --> 00:05:59,762 Why hasn't she received that message? 144 00:05:59,779 --> 00:06:00,932 Or has she received that message? 145 00:06:00,949 --> 00:06:03,813 I think Robyn and I are giving her different messages. 146 00:06:03,830 --> 00:06:06,542 Like, we're not on the same page on this. 147 00:06:06,559 --> 00:06:09,305 And Robyn's like, "Meri, just hang in there, Meri..." 148 00:06:09,322 --> 00:06:10,661 And then to me, she's like, 149 00:06:10,677 --> 00:06:11,779 "You've got to reconcile this." 150 00:06:11,796 --> 00:06:14,169 And I'm looking at her like, you... 151 00:06:14,694 --> 00:06:16,813 You are not going to get me to do this. 152 00:06:16,830 --> 00:06:19,559 When I'm looking at the optics, 153 00:06:19,576 --> 00:06:20,881 Robyn is crying-- 154 00:06:20,898 --> 00:06:23,610 Robyn is Meri's advocate in our marriage. 155 00:06:23,627 --> 00:06:27,016 Robyn has been advocating this relationship... 156 00:06:28,864 --> 00:06:31,338 well, from the time that Robyn and I met. 157 00:06:31,355 --> 00:06:34,610 -Mm. -And so, kudos to Robyn. 158 00:06:34,627 --> 00:06:36,288 Kudos to Meri. 159 00:06:36,305 --> 00:06:37,627 I mean, she did good by her. 160 00:06:37,644 --> 00:06:38,949 So you felt like you were out in the dark. 161 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:41,966 You didn't really understand where his mind was throughout this whole time. 162 00:06:41,983 --> 00:06:45,067 -And that-- -I didn't know that he was completely done. 163 00:06:45,338 --> 00:06:46,915 And now, since then... 164 00:06:46,932 --> 00:06:49,745 and some of our conversations that we've had since then, 165 00:06:49,762 --> 00:06:52,423 and since we decided to, you know, 166 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,288 completely terminate the marriage, um, 167 00:06:55,661 --> 00:06:56,813 we've had conversations. 168 00:06:56,830 --> 00:06:59,389 He's like, "No. I felt like this a long time ago." 169 00:06:59,406 --> 00:07:00,644 I'm like, "You should've told me." 170 00:07:00,661 --> 00:07:03,559 Like, that was not fair for you to not tell me, 171 00:07:03,576 --> 00:07:05,762 because I'm still sitting here 172 00:07:05,779 --> 00:07:08,372 holding on to the idea that maybe you might 173 00:07:08,389 --> 00:07:10,440 get your head out of your butt. 174 00:07:10,457 --> 00:07:13,491 And you know, I've been patient 175 00:07:13,508 --> 00:07:15,474 because my values, 176 00:07:16,559 --> 00:07:20,220 and my heart, and my commitment 177 00:07:20,779 --> 00:07:23,610 are as such that I hold to those. 178 00:07:23,627 --> 00:07:26,220 -Those are important to me. -Mmm-hmm. 179 00:07:26,796 --> 00:07:30,372 And that's why I was still holding on, 180 00:07:30,389 --> 00:07:32,423 not knowing that he had... 181 00:07:33,864 --> 00:07:36,915 Guessing, but hoping that he hadn't really... but not knowing 182 00:07:36,932 --> 00:07:40,474 that he had actually fully let go of me emotionally. 183 00:07:40,491 --> 00:07:42,271 And looking back on it, like, 184 00:07:42,593 --> 00:07:44,762 I mean, there was... 185 00:07:44,779 --> 00:07:47,915 He let go of me a long time ago emotionally. 186 00:07:47,932 --> 00:07:50,847 I was gonna say ten years is a long time to be holding on. 187 00:07:50,864 --> 00:07:53,745 Yeah, and he's sitting here telling Robyn, 188 00:07:53,762 --> 00:07:55,627 "That's the agreement that you and I made, 189 00:07:55,644 --> 00:07:57,525 that if I ever felt like that, 190 00:07:57,542 --> 00:07:59,644 then I wouldn't hold you in this place." 191 00:07:59,661 --> 00:08:01,627 You know, like, their agreement of... 192 00:08:01,644 --> 00:08:03,661 You know, their sacred covenant. [chuckles] 193 00:08:03,677 --> 00:08:04,728 You know what I mean? 194 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:08,406 And I'm like, then why did you not respect me enough 195 00:08:08,423 --> 00:08:09,627 as a human being... 196 00:08:09,644 --> 00:08:13,338 Great, I understand that you don't feel like 197 00:08:13,355 --> 00:08:14,627 I'm your wife anymore, 198 00:08:14,644 --> 00:08:16,932 even though we made covenants, 199 00:08:16,949 --> 00:08:21,542 and nothing has happened to break them, at that point. 200 00:08:21,559 --> 00:08:23,627 Like, I understand that's how you feel about me, 201 00:08:23,644 --> 00:08:26,508 but have the respect for me as a human being 202 00:08:26,525 --> 00:08:30,542 to tell me to my face, and he didn't. 203 00:08:30,559 --> 00:08:33,423 She's taken that covenant that you had... 204 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,813 You even heard her, 205 00:08:34,830 --> 00:08:37,508 like, this isn't what the promise that we made to each other 206 00:08:37,525 --> 00:08:38,745 oh so many years ago. 207 00:08:38,761 --> 00:08:40,830 -Thirty-plus years. -Yeah, that covenant doesn't 208 00:08:40,847 --> 00:08:47,016 include the dissolution of my soul, 209 00:08:47,508 --> 00:08:49,000 or personality. 210 00:08:49,016 --> 00:08:52,440 That relationship does not work in a marriage for me. 211 00:08:53,203 --> 00:08:53,796 It's that simple. 212 00:08:53,813 --> 00:08:55,677 So you're saying you can't function in dysfunction. 213 00:08:55,694 --> 00:08:56,762 I don't care about the covenant. 214 00:08:56,779 --> 00:08:59,423 If you can't get through that, 215 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,796 then it's broken. 216 00:09:01,813 --> 00:09:06,576 It's about... this relationship cannot work. 217 00:09:06,593 --> 00:09:08,627 And those people who are in relationships 218 00:09:08,644 --> 00:09:09,932 that cannot work, 219 00:09:09,949 --> 00:09:13,186 that are stuck in them because of their faith, 220 00:09:13,203 --> 00:09:13,661 their religion, 221 00:09:13,677 --> 00:09:16,237 end up in a life 222 00:09:16,644 --> 00:09:18,779 of unhappy solitude, 223 00:09:18,796 --> 00:09:21,440 while the person is right next to them. 224 00:09:21,457 --> 00:09:22,372 Mm. 225 00:09:22,389 --> 00:09:24,559 I'm not gonna discuss it further 226 00:09:24,576 --> 00:09:26,440 because I love her. 227 00:09:26,457 --> 00:09:29,305 I want her to have the best life she can, 228 00:09:29,322 --> 00:09:32,338 and, um, I... 229 00:09:34,644 --> 00:09:36,677 I'm not gonna do what's been done to me 230 00:09:36,694 --> 00:09:39,338 by trash-talking her, 231 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:41,796 making her seem small 232 00:09:41,813 --> 00:09:44,694 so that I feel better about how badly I've treated her. 233 00:09:44,711 --> 00:09:46,355 [narrator reading] 234 00:09:46,372 --> 00:09:48,355 So you see him imploding? 235 00:09:48,372 --> 00:09:50,254 -He tries to. -Yeah. 236 00:09:51,593 --> 00:09:52,677 [cries] He tries to. 237 00:09:52,694 --> 00:09:54,711 But is he sabotaging your relationship? 238 00:09:54,728 --> 00:09:56,779 [cries] He tries to. 239 00:09:56,796 --> 00:09:59,576 I have to stop him all the time. 240 00:09:59,593 --> 00:10:02,254 I thought of myself leaving Robyn 241 00:10:02,271 --> 00:10:03,542 and having another lover, 242 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,644 and looking at this lover and going, I don't love you, 243 00:10:05,661 --> 00:10:06,762 I'm in love with another woman. 244 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:08,525 I'm in love with a woman that I left 245 00:10:08,542 --> 00:10:10,338 because I was too much a piece of [bleep] 246 00:10:10,355 --> 00:10:11,406 to manage the relationship. 247 00:10:17,423 --> 00:10:19,305 [man] Okay. Everybody settle. 248 00:10:19,847 --> 00:10:23,423 Before I made the decision to walk away, 249 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,491 I feel like I spent 250 00:10:26,406 --> 00:10:28,135 a lot of years... 251 00:10:29,694 --> 00:10:31,847 giving him grace. 252 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:37,050 Let me just put a pause on putting any pressure on me and him, 253 00:10:37,627 --> 00:10:38,796 while he gets through it 254 00:10:38,813 --> 00:10:41,813 and comes back around to himself. 255 00:10:41,830 --> 00:10:44,288 Why do you think he hasn't been happy? 256 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:46,101 I don't know. 257 00:10:46,322 --> 00:10:48,000 It's sad for me. 258 00:10:48,423 --> 00:10:50,186 It's really sad for me. 259 00:10:51,338 --> 00:10:53,101 I don't know... 260 00:10:53,694 --> 00:10:55,491 I hope he can find some peace. 261 00:10:55,508 --> 00:10:56,796 I hope he can find some joy. 262 00:10:56,813 --> 00:10:58,864 He doesn't seem like he has any joy. 263 00:10:58,881 --> 00:11:01,474 Do you think he can ever go back to the old Kody? 264 00:11:03,508 --> 00:11:05,067 I don't know. 265 00:11:06,491 --> 00:11:08,610 I think it's fair to say that he is very different 266 00:11:08,627 --> 00:11:10,491 from the person that you met when you married him. 267 00:11:10,508 --> 00:11:11,694 -[Meri] Yeah. -Um... 268 00:11:11,711 --> 00:11:14,372 I want you to watch this clip, and then we'll get a reaction... 269 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:16,372 -Okay. -...as to your thoughts. 270 00:11:16,389 --> 00:11:17,661 Okay. 271 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:20,847 You know, Kody used to be so dynamic and so bold. 272 00:11:20,864 --> 00:11:23,542 [Christine] And everyone always wanted to be around him, 273 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,694 'cause he was just always down for having a great time. 274 00:11:25,711 --> 00:11:27,305 But he didn't let other people control him. 275 00:11:27,322 --> 00:11:27,898 He was his own person. 276 00:11:27,915 --> 00:11:30,711 [Meri] This is not the happy-go-lucky, 277 00:11:30,728 --> 00:11:34,508 "everything is positive and well in the world" 278 00:11:34,525 --> 00:11:36,644 Kody Brown that I used to know. 279 00:11:36,661 --> 00:11:39,779 I'm in this bad place with Janelle, and Christine's gone. 280 00:11:39,796 --> 00:11:41,830 Don't even know what to do with Meri. 281 00:11:41,847 --> 00:11:44,593 And even with Robyn, kinda feeling like I've been 282 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:47,474 pretty much a grouch for two years. 283 00:11:47,491 --> 00:11:48,542 I mean, it's just obvious. 284 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,389 He just... just is always mad. 285 00:11:52,694 --> 00:11:55,576 He's been very, very, very angry. 286 00:11:55,593 --> 00:11:57,423 I don't know how you do it. 287 00:11:58,694 --> 00:12:00,644 'Cause he's not who you married, 288 00:12:00,661 --> 00:12:02,389 he's not who I married. 289 00:12:02,406 --> 00:12:03,627 No, he hasn't been. 290 00:12:03,644 --> 00:12:07,610 It's really sad seeing him go downhill. 291 00:12:07,627 --> 00:12:09,423 [crying] I don't know who this guy is. 292 00:12:11,745 --> 00:12:14,406 Maybe this is who he always was, I don't know. 293 00:12:15,474 --> 00:12:17,915 But I don't recognize this very mean person. 294 00:12:17,932 --> 00:12:19,661 That was right after the fight. [chuckles] 295 00:12:19,677 --> 00:12:21,576 [Robyn] We've never had as many problems 296 00:12:21,593 --> 00:12:23,813 as we're having right now in our marriage. 297 00:12:23,830 --> 00:12:28,677 He's suspicious of anybody being disloyal to him. 298 00:12:28,694 --> 00:12:31,627 He's directing that at me, 299 00:12:31,644 --> 00:12:33,779 and I don't really recognize him right now. 300 00:12:33,796 --> 00:12:35,796 And I've never seen him like this before. 301 00:12:35,813 --> 00:12:39,322 I mean, the deepest temptations I've had in my whole life, 302 00:12:40,508 --> 00:12:44,067 was to sit down and stop trying to be good. 303 00:12:44,610 --> 00:12:46,474 That's happening to me now. 304 00:12:47,474 --> 00:12:50,796 And it's just devastating. 305 00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:53,491 I don't know, I worked so hard to do what was right. 306 00:12:55,711 --> 00:12:56,813 And when you lose that, 307 00:12:56,830 --> 00:12:59,305 when you feel like you failed 308 00:12:59,322 --> 00:13:00,050 even to God... 309 00:13:00,067 --> 00:13:03,406 This is stuff that I should just be keeping to myself. 310 00:13:03,796 --> 00:13:06,322 I don't want Robyn to see this. 311 00:13:07,915 --> 00:13:11,338 I don't want her to know how dark I've gotten. 312 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,796 [Robyn] It would absolutely devastate me 313 00:13:14,813 --> 00:13:16,864 if he decided to leave, but... 314 00:13:16,881 --> 00:13:20,610 I mean, I know he has these thoughts. 315 00:13:20,627 --> 00:13:24,372 I know you can't make anybody stick around or stay. 316 00:13:24,389 --> 00:13:26,474 I just know it's from pain. 317 00:13:26,491 --> 00:13:27,610 It's not because he's a selfish 318 00:13:27,627 --> 00:13:30,237 or a bad person, he's just in pain. 319 00:13:30,677 --> 00:13:32,661 Like I'd like to run away 320 00:13:32,677 --> 00:13:34,305 from my life. 321 00:13:34,694 --> 00:13:36,559 You know, just escape. Just... 322 00:13:36,576 --> 00:13:38,966 Yeah, that's what he's been acting like. 323 00:13:38,983 --> 00:13:42,118 ...change my name, disappear, be somebody else. 324 00:13:42,830 --> 00:13:46,389 I just... I hate my life right now. 325 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:52,389 Can you help me understand that? 326 00:13:52,406 --> 00:13:54,237 Can you help me unpack some of that? 327 00:13:54,728 --> 00:13:56,067 Why does he feel that way? 328 00:13:56,084 --> 00:13:59,474 I don't know why he hates his life so much, but that's really sad. 329 00:13:59,491 --> 00:14:01,491 I've never heard him say that. 330 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:03,254 But it shows. 331 00:14:03,508 --> 00:14:05,000 It shows. 332 00:14:05,016 --> 00:14:08,474 Does it concern you when you hear him talk this way? 333 00:14:08,491 --> 00:14:10,186 Not anymore. 334 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:12,779 I don't understand, 335 00:14:12,796 --> 00:14:14,949 because, ultimately, you want him to be happy, don't you? 336 00:14:14,966 --> 00:14:18,559 I do want him to be happy, and I hope that he can, 337 00:14:18,576 --> 00:14:20,508 but it doesn't... 338 00:14:20,525 --> 00:14:22,728 It can't affect me anymore. 339 00:14:22,745 --> 00:14:25,627 You know, he has made it very clear to me 340 00:14:25,644 --> 00:14:29,745 that he's not interested in having any part of my life. 341 00:14:29,762 --> 00:14:31,033 He's actually used the words, 342 00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:34,711 "Your life is not one that I wanna insert myself into." 343 00:14:34,728 --> 00:14:40,440 And so, I've had to really step back 344 00:14:40,457 --> 00:14:43,372 and figure out me and where I am, 345 00:14:43,389 --> 00:14:44,779 and how I move forward, 346 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:49,355 and not let his emotions, his thoughts, 347 00:14:50,508 --> 00:14:53,881 his issues at all affect me. 348 00:14:53,898 --> 00:14:57,627 So what he's doing is he's self-sabotaging. 349 00:14:57,644 --> 00:14:59,423 He's angry. 350 00:15:02,508 --> 00:15:04,389 [exhales] 351 00:15:04,406 --> 00:15:06,457 So you see him imploding? 352 00:15:06,474 --> 00:15:08,355 -He tries to. -Yeah. 353 00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:10,610 [cries] He tries to. 354 00:15:10,627 --> 00:15:12,508 But is he sabotaging your relationship? 355 00:15:12,525 --> 00:15:14,186 [cries] He tries to. 356 00:15:14,593 --> 00:15:17,186 I have to stop him all the time. 357 00:15:17,525 --> 00:15:19,559 Yeah, he tries to. 358 00:15:19,576 --> 00:15:22,118 How does he sabotage your relationship? 359 00:15:23,491 --> 00:15:25,457 He picks fights with me. 360 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,000 Um... 361 00:15:30,406 --> 00:15:31,728 [sighs] 362 00:15:31,745 --> 00:15:34,288 -Over what? -Dumb things. 363 00:15:34,305 --> 00:15:35,372 Okay. 364 00:15:35,389 --> 00:15:37,084 [cries] Like, we're... 365 00:15:37,593 --> 00:15:40,423 We're in different places... 366 00:15:42,338 --> 00:15:43,525 [sighs] I'm sorry. 367 00:15:43,542 --> 00:15:44,711 [crying] 368 00:15:44,728 --> 00:15:47,169 We're in different places about... 369 00:15:49,898 --> 00:15:54,033 the bomb that went off on our family, and like... 370 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:59,050 I'm in a major place of mourning, 371 00:16:00,305 --> 00:16:02,440 and he's angry. 372 00:16:04,271 --> 00:16:06,101 And he doesn't wanna... 373 00:16:06,881 --> 00:16:11,101 He just wants to just go find whatever, you know, 374 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,474 and I'm like, um, 375 00:16:14,796 --> 00:16:17,355 no, I can't feel like that. 376 00:16:17,898 --> 00:16:19,847 [sighs] I might've been sabotaging myself 377 00:16:19,864 --> 00:16:22,694 a little bit before that, just out of the frustration and anger. 378 00:16:22,711 --> 00:16:24,728 But were you sabotaging your relationship with Robyn? 379 00:16:24,745 --> 00:16:26,745 Yeah, I was. I was. Definitely. 380 00:16:26,762 --> 00:16:28,491 -I-- -[Sukanya] Why? 381 00:16:28,508 --> 00:16:29,491 You love her. 382 00:16:29,508 --> 00:16:32,576 -Yeah, but I wanted to punish myself. -Mm. 383 00:16:32,593 --> 00:16:35,440 I thought of myself leaving Robyn 384 00:16:35,457 --> 00:16:36,593 and having another lover 385 00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:39,372 and looking at this lover and going, I don't love you, 386 00:16:39,389 --> 00:16:40,491 I'm in love with another woman. 387 00:16:40,508 --> 00:16:41,949 I'm in love with a woman that I left because I was 388 00:16:41,966 --> 00:16:44,847 too much a piece of [bleep] to manage the relationship. 389 00:16:44,864 --> 00:16:47,610 And what it was is just anger, and I'm embarrassed. 390 00:16:47,627 --> 00:16:48,610 So you get embarrassed, 391 00:16:48,627 --> 00:16:49,627 and then you get self-deprecating. 392 00:16:49,644 --> 00:16:51,813 You know, it's, like just bad behavior. 393 00:16:51,830 --> 00:16:53,474 And a lot of people might go through this. 394 00:16:53,491 --> 00:16:54,796 These are my demons. 395 00:16:54,813 --> 00:16:57,728 And that's like doing something that destroys myself. 396 00:16:57,745 --> 00:17:00,406 -Mm. -Christine's leaving, 397 00:17:01,542 --> 00:17:04,525 and... and I'm just angry, 398 00:17:04,541 --> 00:17:06,661 so a lot of dark winds were going through me. 399 00:17:06,676 --> 00:17:08,711 -Okay. -A lot of devil, lot of temptation. 400 00:17:08,728 --> 00:17:13,457 Which would be destructive of my relationship with Robyn. 401 00:17:13,473 --> 00:17:14,593 So I dealt with a lot of anger, 402 00:17:14,609 --> 00:17:15,762 and she would get frustrated. 403 00:17:15,779 --> 00:17:19,676 My anger was a turn-off. It was scary. 404 00:17:19,694 --> 00:17:22,406 And the dumb thing is, because I'm so honest, 405 00:17:22,423 --> 00:17:23,744 I just... I share everything with her. 406 00:17:23,762 --> 00:17:25,932 So I shared stuff with her that was heartbreaking. 407 00:17:25,949 --> 00:17:28,711 I was like, "I've been thinking like this." 408 00:17:28,728 --> 00:17:30,677 You can only imagine how terrible that was. 409 00:17:30,694 --> 00:17:32,423 There's some things in a man's mind 410 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,406 that should never be expressed. 411 00:17:34,423 --> 00:17:35,406 [narrator reading] 412 00:17:35,423 --> 00:17:36,830 Her personality type loves drama. 413 00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:40,389 They love drama. They love talking about their drama. 414 00:17:40,406 --> 00:17:41,745 See, that's where the lie is. 415 00:17:41,762 --> 00:17:44,728 I had one of my children complaining 416 00:17:44,745 --> 00:17:47,542 that I was always at one wife's house. 417 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:48,644 And whose house was that? 418 00:17:48,661 --> 00:17:50,711 Oh, it's Robyn's. Robyn's to blame for everything. 419 00:17:50,728 --> 00:17:53,271 [cries] And this isn't me just being dramatic. 420 00:17:53,288 --> 00:17:54,288 Thank you, Christine. 421 00:17:59,542 --> 00:18:00,694 [man 1] Roll cameras. Roll sound, please. 422 00:18:00,711 --> 00:18:03,000 [indistinct chatter] 423 00:18:03,254 --> 00:18:03,932 [man 2] Rolling. 424 00:18:03,949 --> 00:18:05,847 [Robyn] We've never had as many problems 425 00:18:05,864 --> 00:18:08,593 as we're having right now in our marriage. 426 00:18:08,610 --> 00:18:13,525 He's suspicious of anybody being disloyal to him. 427 00:18:13,542 --> 00:18:15,525 What is this suspiciousness about? 428 00:18:15,542 --> 00:18:18,508 His suspiciousness is about women, in general. 429 00:18:18,525 --> 00:18:19,711 -[laughing] -Oh. 430 00:18:19,728 --> 00:18:21,491 Help me understand that. 431 00:18:21,508 --> 00:18:24,440 Well, when you go through a divorce, 432 00:18:24,457 --> 00:18:27,830 you're afraid that every other... 433 00:18:27,847 --> 00:18:29,830 Like, as a woman, you're afraid another guy 434 00:18:29,847 --> 00:18:32,728 is going to be like the guy you just divorced. 435 00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:35,644 -Right. -So you're careful, you're cautious. 436 00:18:35,661 --> 00:18:37,559 -You're suspicious. -Yeah. 437 00:18:37,576 --> 00:18:40,627 And so that's what he's going through is... 438 00:18:40,644 --> 00:18:44,457 He's going through this "I'm suspicious of women" thing. 439 00:18:44,474 --> 00:18:49,203 And, um, I just work really hard 440 00:18:49,677 --> 00:18:51,644 to constantly get him to remember 441 00:18:51,661 --> 00:18:53,694 and realize that not all women 442 00:18:53,711 --> 00:18:55,711 [chuckling] are bad. 443 00:18:55,728 --> 00:18:56,864 And I told him, I said, 444 00:18:56,881 --> 00:19:00,966 "I feel like you're lining up all the women. 445 00:19:00,983 --> 00:19:03,610 I'm there with them, and you're... [imitates gunfire] 446 00:19:03,627 --> 00:19:05,338 -...you know, shooting them all down." -Yeah. 447 00:19:05,355 --> 00:19:06,661 And that's not fair. 448 00:19:06,677 --> 00:19:09,728 Just because, you know, you're dealing... 449 00:19:09,745 --> 00:19:12,508 you're having some issues with the other women in your life, 450 00:19:12,525 --> 00:19:13,779 or a woman or whatever, 451 00:19:13,796 --> 00:19:16,627 doesn't mean that we're all bad. 452 00:19:16,644 --> 00:19:18,542 In that clip, we also saw him say, like, 453 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:21,610 "I don't want Robyn to see how dark I've gotten." 454 00:19:21,627 --> 00:19:23,830 -How did that land with... -Yeah. [chuckles] 455 00:19:23,847 --> 00:19:26,525 -How did you receive that? -I noticed there's a nuance, yeah. 456 00:19:26,542 --> 00:19:27,593 How did you receive that? 457 00:19:27,610 --> 00:19:29,457 So anymore in his communication, 458 00:19:29,474 --> 00:19:31,389 and maybe it's because Robyn is the only one 459 00:19:31,406 --> 00:19:33,440 that he really is with anymore... 460 00:19:33,457 --> 00:19:36,067 His communication has become very... 461 00:19:36,796 --> 00:19:40,389 a lot of reference to, "You can't talk about Robyn. 462 00:19:40,406 --> 00:19:41,864 She's the one that's loyal to me. 463 00:19:41,881 --> 00:19:45,593 I don't want Robyn to see this or be exposed to this." 464 00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:47,915 So I mean, there's definitely a more protective stance. 465 00:19:47,932 --> 00:19:49,949 But it feels like, over the last couple of years, 466 00:19:49,966 --> 00:19:52,796 especially during Covid, you know, his optics were like, 467 00:19:52,813 --> 00:19:56,576 well, you know, Robyn's always taking the hits for this, 468 00:19:56,593 --> 00:19:59,644 and sometimes, it feels like they're bullying Robyn. 469 00:19:59,661 --> 00:20:00,610 [chuckles] I... 470 00:20:00,627 --> 00:20:02,440 Do you feel like you were bullying Robyn? 471 00:20:02,457 --> 00:20:03,627 No, no, I don't. 472 00:20:03,644 --> 00:20:05,610 And that's where it started to get really weird, 473 00:20:05,627 --> 00:20:11,016 because, all of a sudden, it was always about framing, like... 474 00:20:11,677 --> 00:20:15,372 It's almost like, I have this paragon of a wife. 475 00:20:15,389 --> 00:20:16,813 She does everything right. 476 00:20:16,830 --> 00:20:20,474 And so if you had any kind of a disagreement, 477 00:20:20,491 --> 00:20:22,627 or you had any kind of a different opinion, 478 00:20:22,644 --> 00:20:25,254 even if you expressed it respectfully, 479 00:20:25,271 --> 00:20:26,576 you weren't "safe." 480 00:20:26,593 --> 00:20:27,966 You were a "bully." 481 00:20:27,983 --> 00:20:30,864 You know, as a wife, I should be able to say to Kody, 482 00:20:30,881 --> 00:20:33,847 "Well, I'm having a problem here," but that conversation was never open. 483 00:20:33,864 --> 00:20:36,881 I couldn't say anything against Robyn. 484 00:20:36,898 --> 00:20:39,288 And so, it became this really strange thing, 485 00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:40,508 and that was with Covid, 486 00:20:40,525 --> 00:20:42,593 as he started to spend more time there. 487 00:20:42,610 --> 00:20:45,220 All of a sudden, it became very off-limits 488 00:20:45,593 --> 00:20:48,457 to say anything about Robyn. 489 00:20:48,474 --> 00:20:50,542 Do you have regrets that you weren't stricter 490 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:51,898 in your polygamy rules? 491 00:20:51,915 --> 00:20:55,677 -No, no-- -And more equitable in your time? 492 00:20:55,694 --> 00:20:57,779 -Oh, I was equitable in my time. -Okay. 493 00:20:57,796 --> 00:20:59,440 See, that's where the lie is. 494 00:20:59,457 --> 00:21:02,406 I had one of my children complaining 495 00:21:02,423 --> 00:21:05,271 that I was always at one wife's house. 496 00:21:05,288 --> 00:21:05,830 And whose house was that? 497 00:21:05,847 --> 00:21:08,593 Oh, it's Robyn's. Robyn's to blame for everything. 498 00:21:08,610 --> 00:21:09,796 And this is the why. 499 00:21:09,813 --> 00:21:12,576 When I say she's to blame for everything, 500 00:21:12,593 --> 00:21:14,661 I'm not blaming her. 501 00:21:14,677 --> 00:21:19,305 But there's something that has drawn the wrath 502 00:21:19,813 --> 00:21:23,372 of jealousy from the public, the tabloids, 503 00:21:23,389 --> 00:21:25,711 from sister wives, something... 504 00:21:25,728 --> 00:21:31,338 to go towards her where she's being blamed for [bleep] that I did, 505 00:21:31,355 --> 00:21:34,000 or [bleep] that I didn't manage. 506 00:21:34,576 --> 00:21:38,288 Or the bad relationship I had with one wife, 507 00:21:38,305 --> 00:21:39,779 "Oh, that's Robyn's fault," 508 00:21:39,796 --> 00:21:42,627 because I had a good relationship with her. 509 00:21:42,644 --> 00:21:44,983 There was a shift of blame towards Robyn 510 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,355 that got to the point where it was making me so angry, 511 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,559 that I was getting to the point 512 00:21:51,576 --> 00:21:53,661 where if you had a complaint about her, 513 00:21:53,677 --> 00:21:56,610 I'd be like, "Shut up. I will punch you in the mouth," you know. 514 00:21:56,627 --> 00:21:58,966 I was getting sick of the complaints, 515 00:21:58,983 --> 00:22:03,067 'cause it was really obvious to me she was doing nothing 516 00:22:03,474 --> 00:22:05,745 but her best to be compliant 517 00:22:05,762 --> 00:22:07,694 to what our family's structure was. 518 00:22:07,711 --> 00:22:12,305 But he thinks you and Janelle were a bully to Robyn. 519 00:22:12,322 --> 00:22:12,813 [scoffs] 520 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:16,525 And so, he feels like he's got to protect her. 521 00:22:16,542 --> 00:22:17,796 I know. Right? 522 00:22:17,813 --> 00:22:22,728 I have looked back and I have dissected my relationship with Robyn, 523 00:22:22,745 --> 00:22:28,576 and I can remember a few conversations that I had with her 524 00:22:28,593 --> 00:22:30,711 that I guess could've been more aggressive, 525 00:22:30,728 --> 00:22:32,661 but we talked about it and we worked it out. 526 00:22:32,677 --> 00:22:34,389 Robyn, one time, I offended her. 527 00:22:34,406 --> 00:22:34,932 It was something that I said. 528 00:22:34,949 --> 00:22:38,525 She'd come over to my house, we talked about it 529 00:22:38,542 --> 00:22:40,881 for a while, and I thought we were fine after that. 530 00:22:40,898 --> 00:22:43,389 And then I heard later about it again, 531 00:22:43,406 --> 00:22:44,694 and again, and again. 532 00:22:44,711 --> 00:22:45,932 And I'm like, I thought we were fine. 533 00:22:45,949 --> 00:22:48,372 I thought we talked about it, and it was over. 534 00:22:48,389 --> 00:22:50,135 So what was that thing? 535 00:22:50,152 --> 00:22:51,525 I just... 536 00:22:51,542 --> 00:22:52,745 It's just so stupid. 537 00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:55,508 It's this stupid personality test. 538 00:22:55,525 --> 00:22:57,813 I delved into it because I was fascinated 539 00:22:57,830 --> 00:23:02,457 with the different kind of personalities that we all have. 540 00:23:02,474 --> 00:23:03,762 So I was talking to her about hers, 541 00:23:03,779 --> 00:23:06,830 and instantly, I felt the tension, I'm like, what did I say? 542 00:23:06,847 --> 00:23:09,440 Well, what did you say about her? 543 00:23:09,457 --> 00:23:11,525 Okay. In her personality type... 544 00:23:11,542 --> 00:23:13,644 Her personality type loves drama. 545 00:23:13,661 --> 00:23:16,796 They love drama. They love talking about their drama, 546 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:20,372 so other people can feel how they feel. 547 00:23:20,389 --> 00:23:21,779 On the flip side, 548 00:23:21,796 --> 00:23:23,644 they love listening to everybody's drama. 549 00:23:23,661 --> 00:23:25,779 They love it. It is what they do. 550 00:23:25,796 --> 00:23:28,796 They live for that connection with people, over drama. 551 00:23:28,813 --> 00:23:31,491 That's what she got mad at. It was me calling her dramatic. 552 00:23:31,508 --> 00:23:33,559 Okay, so there's a personality test 553 00:23:33,576 --> 00:23:34,796 that Christine was talking about. 554 00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:36,711 Do you remember the personality test at all? 555 00:23:36,728 --> 00:23:38,694 Yeah. I don't remember what everybody was, 556 00:23:38,711 --> 00:23:39,830 but yes, I remember taking it. 557 00:23:39,847 --> 00:23:42,745 -Do you remember, like, what your personality was? -Yeah. 558 00:23:42,762 --> 00:23:46,542 I'm the diplomat, the peacemaker. 559 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,423 Okay. Do you agree with that? 560 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,254 In my best moments, I'm that person. 561 00:23:51,271 --> 00:23:51,830 [both laughing] 562 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:54,610 -Do you remember what Robyn was? -No. 563 00:23:54,627 --> 00:23:56,508 -Do you remember what Christine was? -No. 564 00:23:56,525 --> 00:23:58,542 Christine shared with us the personality test 565 00:23:58,559 --> 00:23:59,745 that you guys have done. 566 00:23:59,762 --> 00:24:02,406 -What was your personality type, out of curiosity? -Can't remember. 567 00:24:02,423 --> 00:24:04,322 I don't remember. 568 00:24:04,338 --> 00:24:05,627 Did you agree with it? 569 00:24:05,644 --> 00:24:07,542 I did. I remember agreeing with it. 570 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,355 It seemed very similar to what my personality is, 571 00:24:10,372 --> 00:24:12,542 maybe a three, or a "B." 572 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:13,745 I don't know what it was. 573 00:24:13,762 --> 00:24:16,237 Do you remember any of the others'? 574 00:24:16,254 --> 00:24:17,508 Nope. 575 00:24:17,525 --> 00:24:19,779 Obviously, it was forgettable for me. 576 00:24:19,796 --> 00:24:22,033 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just curious. -[laughing] 577 00:24:22,050 --> 00:24:25,576 I'm just curious if you agreed with your personality test. 578 00:24:25,593 --> 00:24:28,762 I do remember agreeing with my personality test. 579 00:24:28,779 --> 00:24:30,661 And did you think your other sister wives 580 00:24:30,677 --> 00:24:32,627 were described pretty accurately? 581 00:24:32,644 --> 00:24:34,898 I felt like it was fairly accurate. Yeah. 582 00:24:34,915 --> 00:24:38,491 So do you remember the personality test? 583 00:24:38,508 --> 00:24:40,474 I never took it, but I remember it, yeah. 584 00:24:40,491 --> 00:24:42,542 -You never took it? -I never did. [chuckles] 585 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,186 -Wait-- -Some us did, and I just never did. 586 00:24:46,203 --> 00:24:46,830 Huh. 587 00:24:46,847 --> 00:24:49,491 Christine had mentioned that you guys took it, 588 00:24:49,508 --> 00:24:51,779 where you guys talk about, like, how... 589 00:24:51,796 --> 00:24:54,694 what type of archetype you become, like, you know, 590 00:24:54,711 --> 00:24:56,372 -who are you. -Oh. 591 00:24:56,389 --> 00:24:58,220 Oh, wait. Maybe I did. 592 00:24:59,525 --> 00:25:02,152 It was described as you... as somebody who 593 00:25:02,457 --> 00:25:05,745 liked drama, and that 594 00:25:05,762 --> 00:25:09,000 you were really upset about it, 595 00:25:09,610 --> 00:25:11,644 and it kind of created this tension 596 00:25:11,661 --> 00:25:12,745 between the two of you-- 597 00:25:12,762 --> 00:25:15,237 -I don't have a memory of this. -Okay. 598 00:25:15,576 --> 00:25:18,203 And I don't... 599 00:25:19,338 --> 00:25:20,949 If there was... 600 00:25:20,966 --> 00:25:23,898 That's interesting. No, I don't remember taking it. 601 00:25:23,915 --> 00:25:25,915 -It's okay. It doesn't matter. -I never filled out questionnaires. 602 00:25:25,932 --> 00:25:31,508 So if somebody was coming up with my personality type, 603 00:25:31,525 --> 00:25:33,423 they were taking the test for me... 604 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,474 Okay. 605 00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:35,847 ...and making the choices for me, 606 00:25:35,864 --> 00:25:39,355 and going, "Oh, well, I think this is who you are." 607 00:25:39,372 --> 00:25:40,593 And that was when... 608 00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:43,508 You know, and if that's somebody doing that, that means... 609 00:25:43,525 --> 00:25:45,677 Like, Christine didn't know me well. 610 00:25:45,694 --> 00:25:48,508 She didn't take the time to know me very well. 611 00:25:48,525 --> 00:25:49,796 [Christine] Hmm. 612 00:25:49,813 --> 00:25:51,694 Can you name a reason why you're not friends with Robyn? 613 00:25:51,711 --> 00:25:53,677 Well, I don't trust her. 614 00:25:53,694 --> 00:25:55,796 I think she says one thing, but does another. 615 00:25:55,813 --> 00:25:58,847 How can you say you want the whole big family picture, 616 00:25:58,864 --> 00:26:01,949 but then do all these separate things with Kody? 617 00:26:01,966 --> 00:26:04,864 How can you say you want the whole big family picture 618 00:26:04,881 --> 00:26:06,728 when he's over at your house all the time? 619 00:26:06,745 --> 00:26:08,423 So if you don't trust her, 620 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,627 how do you have a relationship with her? 621 00:26:09,644 --> 00:26:11,915 I'm not going to, not even "How do you?" I will not. 622 00:26:11,932 --> 00:26:15,491 But you shut down that relationship pretty quickly. 623 00:26:15,508 --> 00:26:17,084 Yes. Yes. 624 00:26:17,101 --> 00:26:20,423 I don't wanna sit here and blame Robyn, 'cause it's like... [sighs] 625 00:26:21,576 --> 00:26:23,050 I'm not gonna be her friend, 'cause I don't believe her. 626 00:26:23,067 --> 00:26:26,779 But I'm not gonna blame her for everything falling apart. 627 00:26:26,796 --> 00:26:29,508 I think we probably all had something to do with that. 628 00:26:29,525 --> 00:26:31,898 I feel like my relationship with Robyn, like, 629 00:26:31,915 --> 00:26:34,728 that's something that she and I are working on, 630 00:26:34,745 --> 00:26:36,644 and trying to figure out and navigate, 631 00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,440 because it is different. 632 00:26:38,457 --> 00:26:39,847 You know, as much as I think 633 00:26:39,864 --> 00:26:42,830 we would like to say "No, it's not," it is, 634 00:26:42,847 --> 00:26:46,440 because now I'm friends with my ex-husband's wife. 635 00:26:46,457 --> 00:26:50,406 And I'm emotionally 636 00:26:50,423 --> 00:26:53,847 not 100% there yet. 637 00:26:53,864 --> 00:26:56,644 Do you still consider her a sister wife? 638 00:26:56,661 --> 00:26:59,474 No, because when you're a sister wife, 639 00:26:59,491 --> 00:27:01,271 it's because you're married to the same man. 640 00:27:01,288 --> 00:27:03,237 And I am a single woman. 641 00:27:05,627 --> 00:27:08,050 Are you less lonely out in Parowan? 642 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:09,881 Yeah. 643 00:27:09,898 --> 00:27:12,440 -You have a bigger support system there? -Yeah. 644 00:27:12,457 --> 00:27:16,203 My best friend, Jenn, is the one person 645 00:27:16,474 --> 00:27:18,576 in the past decade 646 00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:21,745 that I have trusted more than anybody else. 647 00:27:21,762 --> 00:27:25,305 You're admitting you don't trust your sister wives. 648 00:27:25,322 --> 00:27:26,457 Help me understand that. 649 00:27:26,474 --> 00:27:27,983 Because I know she has my back. 650 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,694 I know that whatever I want, she will support me in. 651 00:27:31,711 --> 00:27:34,762 I know she doesn't go out talking trash about me. 652 00:27:34,779 --> 00:27:37,457 Why don't you feel that way about your sister wives then? 653 00:27:38,288 --> 00:27:40,389 They don't have my back. 654 00:27:40,898 --> 00:27:42,542 -Robyn has your back. -Oh, by the way... 655 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,559 I don't have sister wives, just FYI. [chuckles] 656 00:27:45,576 --> 00:27:47,474 Robyn has my back, yes. 657 00:27:47,491 --> 00:27:48,542 Robyn has my back. 658 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,491 But you don't trust her implicitly. 659 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,305 Um, no. 660 00:27:54,203 --> 00:27:56,118 -Why? -Um... 661 00:27:56,694 --> 00:27:58,796 During the catfishing situation, 662 00:27:58,813 --> 00:28:01,898 there was a friend of Robyn's at the time, 663 00:28:01,915 --> 00:28:04,966 that kind of inserted herself, um, meaning... 664 00:28:04,983 --> 00:28:06,796 -The person who catfished you. -...crazy person. 665 00:28:06,813 --> 00:28:08,576 -Yeah. -A psycho. [chuckles] 666 00:28:08,593 --> 00:28:10,355 -Anyway... -That catfished you. Okay. 667 00:28:10,372 --> 00:28:13,101 Yeah, so this friend of Robyn's, 668 00:28:13,491 --> 00:28:15,355 who is feeding her information 669 00:28:15,372 --> 00:28:17,389 and making her and Kody believe 670 00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:20,000 that I was off having an affair. 671 00:28:20,576 --> 00:28:21,983 And then Robyn would talk to me, 672 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,440 and I'm like, "Robyn, I've never met this person. 673 00:28:24,457 --> 00:28:26,559 I don't know what you're talking about." 674 00:28:26,576 --> 00:28:29,491 So I pulled way back, and so it kind of caused 675 00:28:29,508 --> 00:28:31,508 a lack of trust between me and Robyn. 676 00:28:31,525 --> 00:28:34,508 But that trust is built back up. 677 00:28:34,525 --> 00:28:38,389 There was somebody that was trying to convince me 678 00:28:38,406 --> 00:28:39,576 that there was something going on, 679 00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:42,084 and I finally just said to this person, 680 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,559 "I don't believe you. 681 00:28:45,576 --> 00:28:47,813 And unless you've got proof, 682 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:50,711 I don't want you to talk about it with me anymore." 683 00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:53,677 And then it was a process of rebuilding your trust with each other, right? 684 00:28:53,694 --> 00:28:56,610 No... no, because our relationship... 685 00:28:56,627 --> 00:28:59,576 there wasn't a problem in our relationship, in my head. 686 00:28:59,593 --> 00:29:01,745 -Mmm-hmm. -What there was was... 687 00:29:01,762 --> 00:29:04,610 My understanding was that because she was in this weird, 688 00:29:04,627 --> 00:29:07,389 awkward place and she felt scared to talk to anybody. 689 00:29:08,593 --> 00:29:10,644 Not because of something I was doing. 690 00:29:10,661 --> 00:29:14,576 I told her anything and everything that I was being told, 691 00:29:14,593 --> 00:29:17,389 'cause I wanted her to understand what was happening. 692 00:29:18,322 --> 00:29:19,491 Ultimately, don't you think... 693 00:29:19,508 --> 00:29:21,610 just seeing this situation with Meri, 694 00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:25,000 ultimately, that's a good thing for Meri right now. 695 00:29:25,271 --> 00:29:27,237 -To leave. -Yeah. 696 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:28,644 Yeah. 697 00:29:28,661 --> 00:29:31,694 As hard as it is to say it out loud, 698 00:29:31,711 --> 00:29:33,762 it's a good thing for your sister wife, 699 00:29:33,779 --> 00:29:37,389 or your ex-sister wife to be able to... 700 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,355 ...live her life. 701 00:29:42,474 --> 00:29:43,728 I'm sorry, what did you just say? 702 00:29:43,745 --> 00:29:45,440 'Cause I called her an ex-sister wife. 703 00:29:56,576 --> 00:29:58,559 [crying] 704 00:29:58,576 --> 00:30:00,389 I'm sorry. 705 00:30:01,796 --> 00:30:05,288 No, that hit you hard. I'm sorry... I'm sorry. 706 00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:07,203 I know. 707 00:30:07,694 --> 00:30:09,389 That's not how I see her. 708 00:30:09,406 --> 00:30:10,610 How do you see her? 709 00:30:10,627 --> 00:30:13,152 She's my sister wife. 710 00:30:15,338 --> 00:30:16,389 So is Janelle. 711 00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:19,135 And so is Christine. 712 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:26,016 I'm sorry, I don't know how to let this go. 713 00:30:26,762 --> 00:30:29,338 And this isn't me just being dramatic. 714 00:30:29,355 --> 00:30:29,864 Thank you, Christine. 715 00:30:29,881 --> 00:30:33,271 Oh, it's so horrible to have her say that. 716 00:30:34,322 --> 00:30:35,423 Gosh. 717 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,745 [narrator reading] 718 00:30:36,762 --> 00:30:40,542 But did you all blend together when Robyn came in? 719 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,711 I think that some people felt like 720 00:30:42,728 --> 00:30:45,593 this was forced on them. 721 00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:48,203 They were being told to, 722 00:30:48,593 --> 00:30:49,745 you know, sit down and shut up, 723 00:30:49,762 --> 00:30:52,525 and to accept this family being merged in. 724 00:30:52,542 --> 00:30:55,525 And I feel like maybe we should've taken some time. 725 00:30:55,542 --> 00:30:57,949 There's not a division with Robyn and her kids. 726 00:30:57,966 --> 00:31:02,186 There is now.There is now, because she put it there. 727 00:31:08,423 --> 00:31:10,237 -[man] B cam. Mark. -[clapper clacks] 728 00:31:11,644 --> 00:31:13,779 So in the past, your family's been doing gift exchanges, 729 00:31:13,796 --> 00:31:15,593 and it's something the kids look forward to, right? 730 00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:16,796 Oh, yeah. They love it. It's the best part. 731 00:31:16,813 --> 00:31:18,644 -It's their thing. -It's their thing. 732 00:31:18,661 --> 00:31:19,694 -It's their thing. -Yeah. 733 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:22,694 And so this next clip is gonna share how something 734 00:31:22,711 --> 00:31:24,508 that was a time for the kids 735 00:31:24,525 --> 00:31:26,508 to kind of connect and enjoy 736 00:31:26,525 --> 00:31:31,000 turned into something that was very difficult 737 00:31:31,271 --> 00:31:32,796 to kind of understand. 738 00:31:32,813 --> 00:31:35,338 So let's watch you and the family discuss this. 739 00:31:36,271 --> 00:31:36,813 [Paedon] A few week ago, 740 00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:39,644 Logan texted a group chat of the siblings, 741 00:31:39,661 --> 00:31:41,745 that he wants to do a sibling gift exchange, 742 00:31:41,762 --> 00:31:44,203 and somebody said, "Okay, let's tell all the parents 743 00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:44,711 about this." 744 00:31:44,728 --> 00:31:47,372 And Robyn gets involved in the conversation 745 00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:49,271 and says, let's do a video chat. 746 00:31:49,881 --> 00:31:54,542 I was pushing for the video chat, 747 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:55,762 for the sake of the kids. 748 00:31:55,779 --> 00:31:57,728 When I was getting all this pushback, 749 00:31:57,745 --> 00:31:59,796 I was like, fine, I'm out. 750 00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:02,711 You know, this is an effort in futility. 751 00:32:02,728 --> 00:32:03,779 [Christine] So I remember even at one point, 752 00:32:03,796 --> 00:32:05,593 she said, "My kids don't even remember 753 00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:06,847 who their siblings are." 754 00:32:06,864 --> 00:32:10,440 And Hunter was like, "One video call's not gonna help that." 755 00:32:11,728 --> 00:32:14,389 And it got blown out of proportion 756 00:32:14,406 --> 00:32:15,864 that they didn't wanna hang out, 757 00:32:15,881 --> 00:32:18,542 and then, suddenly, no one wanted to hang out. 758 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,745 And then all of these hurt feelings about 759 00:32:19,762 --> 00:32:22,491 when Robyn first came into the family came out, 760 00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:25,661 and it's like, oh, my gosh. 761 00:32:25,677 --> 00:32:28,745 Then it just turned into this whole big, like, 762 00:32:28,762 --> 00:32:33,593 kind of, squabble between my kids 763 00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:36,745 and a bunch of the other kids. 764 00:32:36,762 --> 00:32:40,813 It really just got blown out of proportion, I think. 765 00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:44,491 Everybody was trying to deflect, but it just kept spiraling. 766 00:32:44,508 --> 00:32:46,016 Chk-chk-chk-chk... and it was done. 767 00:32:46,033 --> 00:32:48,610 With some of the things that were said and expressed, 768 00:32:48,627 --> 00:32:50,881 I don't know if we ever come back from it. 769 00:32:50,898 --> 00:32:53,338 [Kody] So when this text thread was going on, 770 00:32:53,355 --> 00:32:54,559 I was just ignoring it. 771 00:32:54,576 --> 00:32:56,033 I wasn't gonna pick sides, one way or the other. 772 00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:58,881 Janelle and Christine's kids have already chosen Janelle and Christine. 773 00:32:58,898 --> 00:33:03,101 I always wanted to have the family have Christmas together. 774 00:33:04,305 --> 00:33:06,203 It was a horrible day. 775 00:33:07,525 --> 00:33:10,203 I think Robyn jumped to conclusions too fast. 776 00:33:10,779 --> 00:33:14,542 It's just another example of them not wanting 777 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:15,898 to be a family with us. 778 00:33:15,915 --> 00:33:18,406 It's been like this from the beginning. 779 00:33:19,627 --> 00:33:21,406 How do you see this? 780 00:33:21,423 --> 00:33:23,711 I saw the thread, I just wasn't on it. 781 00:33:23,728 --> 00:33:26,661 I read through it, and I'm like, this is getting insane. 782 00:33:26,677 --> 00:33:29,610 -Right. -This is something where I didn't realize 783 00:33:29,627 --> 00:33:31,542 Robyn's kids felt like they did. 784 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,711 And this needs to be handled in therapy. 785 00:33:33,728 --> 00:33:36,491 So Robyn's kids were on the thread saying, this is how we feel? 786 00:33:36,508 --> 00:33:38,322 -Yeah. -Ooh. What did they say? 787 00:33:38,338 --> 00:33:39,050 Yeah, they're just... 788 00:33:39,067 --> 00:33:41,694 They've been feeling like what she said in the end, how they felt like 789 00:33:41,711 --> 00:33:43,745 they were apart from the very beginning. 790 00:33:43,762 --> 00:33:46,644 And I didn't know that. I'm, like, wait a minute. 791 00:33:46,661 --> 00:33:49,338 They feel like that, from the very beginning? 792 00:33:50,355 --> 00:33:52,338 Maybe we should've known. 793 00:33:52,355 --> 00:33:54,542 Maybe we should've known that. 794 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,440 What had happened was I was being told, 795 00:33:58,372 --> 00:34:02,135 um, that the kids hated me. 796 00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:05,101 -In the text thread? -No. 797 00:34:05,406 --> 00:34:06,000 Before that. 798 00:34:06,016 --> 00:34:10,118 I was being told that the kids hate me and my kids. 799 00:34:10,406 --> 00:34:12,355 Who was telling you that? 800 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,000 Mm. A person. 801 00:34:16,016 --> 00:34:19,694 I was just being told this, and so when I was trying 802 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:24,830 really hard to get us on a video call 803 00:34:24,847 --> 00:34:28,422 for the sake of the little kids... 804 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,627 Because this experience of... 805 00:34:30,643 --> 00:34:35,745 this gift exchange is, like, a really memorable experience 806 00:34:35,762 --> 00:34:37,983 for some of the kids and... 807 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,067 My little kids aren't remembering who their siblings are. 808 00:34:41,083 --> 00:34:46,507 They don't know their names. They don't remember whose name goes with what. 809 00:34:46,525 --> 00:34:47,813 And when I started getting kickback, 810 00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:50,254 I just went, why am I trying here? 811 00:34:50,271 --> 00:34:51,677 What happened? 812 00:34:51,694 --> 00:34:52,898 My children never said anything. 813 00:34:52,915 --> 00:34:54,830 They said, "Look, we're all in the East Coast. 814 00:34:54,847 --> 00:34:57,593 We can't jump on a call at nine o'clock at night," or whatever. 815 00:34:57,610 --> 00:34:59,542 They were asking to schedule. 816 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,898 And then it blew up into this whole thing about, 817 00:35:01,915 --> 00:35:03,762 "Well, you've always treated us so badly. 818 00:35:03,779 --> 00:35:07,661 I'm so tired of working on this, 819 00:35:07,677 --> 00:35:09,491 and I've always been treated so badly." 820 00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:12,457 And we were like, wow. Wow. Just wow. 821 00:35:12,474 --> 00:35:14,440 -Who said that? -That was Robyn. 822 00:35:14,457 --> 00:35:14,983 Oh, Robyn said that. 823 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,813 Robyn was like, "You guys have treated me so badly. 824 00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:18,847 I'm so tired. I don't wanna work on this anymore." 825 00:35:18,864 --> 00:35:22,542 And then all of a sudden, our kids started piling in with these, really things like 826 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:23,796 "You treated us so horribly. 827 00:35:23,813 --> 00:35:25,711 We're never gonna wanna have our own families, 828 00:35:25,728 --> 00:35:27,338 'cause this was such a horrible experience," 829 00:35:27,355 --> 00:35:28,559 and I'm like, whoa! 830 00:35:28,576 --> 00:35:29,949 -Mm. -Like, I don't know how... 831 00:35:29,966 --> 00:35:34,338 I don't know how we go from, "Let's not have a video call 832 00:35:34,355 --> 00:35:35,830 at 9:00 p.m. Eastern, 833 00:35:35,847 --> 00:35:37,949 to "You guys were so horrible to us." 834 00:35:37,966 --> 00:35:41,694 Like, it just spiraled. It just was insanity. 835 00:35:41,711 --> 00:35:44,610 They started trying to express themselves, 836 00:35:44,627 --> 00:35:48,271 and the other kids started mocking them 837 00:35:48,288 --> 00:35:49,525 and dismissing them, 838 00:35:49,542 --> 00:35:52,694 and it made them feel very ganged up on. 839 00:35:52,711 --> 00:35:57,423 And so what had happened was my kids came to me 840 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440 and they said, "We don't feel 841 00:36:01,457 --> 00:36:04,627 emotionally safe to be a part of this 842 00:36:04,644 --> 00:36:07,677 gift exchange anymore." 843 00:36:07,694 --> 00:36:09,627 After that, Robyn just said, 844 00:36:09,644 --> 00:36:10,915 "Dad and I have decided our kids 845 00:36:10,932 --> 00:36:13,525 aren't going to do the gift exchange anymore. 846 00:36:13,542 --> 00:36:16,542 And we're not gonna do it." And they were devastated. 847 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,728 And they were like, "What does that mean? 848 00:36:18,745 --> 00:36:20,762 I thought those were our siblings." 849 00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:24,796 And they're like, why can't we just move past this and be siblings? 850 00:36:24,813 --> 00:36:27,932 There's not a division with Robyn and her kids. 851 00:36:27,949 --> 00:36:32,525 There is now.There is now, because she put it there. 852 00:36:32,542 --> 00:36:34,627 But there wasn't there until then. 853 00:36:34,644 --> 00:36:37,491 Some of the kids, yes. There's been some hard things. 854 00:36:37,508 --> 00:36:38,830 There has been some hard things. 855 00:36:38,847 --> 00:36:42,322 -Some siblings get along better than others. Yes. -Mmm-hmm. 856 00:36:42,644 --> 00:36:46,898 Um, but we tried very hard 857 00:36:46,915 --> 00:36:49,627 to include Robyn and her kids with everything. 858 00:36:49,644 --> 00:36:52,762 I didn't realize Robyn felt like that, from the beginning? 859 00:36:52,779 --> 00:36:54,813 You know, all of a sudden, she comes back with, 860 00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:55,847 "Well, I've talked to your dad, 861 00:36:55,864 --> 00:36:58,644 and we're just gonna do our thing separate." 862 00:36:58,661 --> 00:37:04,220 And so my kids were like, "Our dad? Like, our dad?" 863 00:37:04,237 --> 00:37:05,389 Now, like, it's... 864 00:37:05,406 --> 00:37:06,576 "You mean the father of us all?" 865 00:37:06,593 --> 00:37:07,728 -You know what I mean? -Mmm-hmm. 866 00:37:07,745 --> 00:37:09,457 And then, why did she say what she said, 867 00:37:09,474 --> 00:37:10,949 that "You've never wanted us before, 868 00:37:10,966 --> 00:37:12,779 -and my kids know it now too"? -I don't know. 869 00:37:12,796 --> 00:37:15,559 Like, it's some sort of weird paranoia she carries around, 870 00:37:15,576 --> 00:37:17,627 that we never wanted her. 871 00:37:17,644 --> 00:37:19,949 I don't ever remember saying that. 872 00:37:19,966 --> 00:37:23,491 But Janelle and Christine never knew that your kids felt that way 873 00:37:23,508 --> 00:37:26,728 about everybody else, until they saw the text. 874 00:37:26,745 --> 00:37:29,932 That's not necessarily true. 875 00:37:29,949 --> 00:37:35,847 I've had to go to Janelle and Christine and say, 876 00:37:35,864 --> 00:37:39,745 a child of yours is being hard on a child of mine. 877 00:37:39,762 --> 00:37:42,355 My kids just really, really wanted to belong. 878 00:37:43,491 --> 00:37:45,796 And they had some of the other kids 879 00:37:45,813 --> 00:37:47,644 kind of telling them they didn't belong, 880 00:37:47,661 --> 00:37:50,830 and they weren't part of the family, and things like that. 881 00:37:50,847 --> 00:37:54,745 But did you all blend together when Robyn came in? 882 00:37:54,762 --> 00:38:00,694 So, I feel like that we tried in our own different ways, 883 00:38:00,711 --> 00:38:03,525 and I know since then, 884 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:07,694 that many people don't feel like we tried very well, 885 00:38:07,711 --> 00:38:10,694 or we had enough conversations, you know. 886 00:38:10,711 --> 00:38:13,542 So I think that we could've done it better. 887 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,423 Who are you referring to when you say that? 888 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,762 I've heard it from multiple people 889 00:38:19,779 --> 00:38:23,559 that, you know, we just should've had a little bit more conversations. 890 00:38:23,576 --> 00:38:28,000 Maybe, you know, some people didn't really feel like... 891 00:38:28,406 --> 00:38:30,661 I think that some people felt like... 892 00:38:30,677 --> 00:38:33,677 that this was forced on them. 893 00:38:33,694 --> 00:38:36,762 Like, they didn't have an opinion. 894 00:38:36,779 --> 00:38:39,559 We're just gonna get married, and we're just gonna have this family, 895 00:38:39,576 --> 00:38:41,525 we're gonna have these kids, 896 00:38:41,542 --> 00:38:44,576 and everybody just has to deal with it. 897 00:38:44,593 --> 00:38:46,661 I know that some people feel like that. 898 00:38:46,677 --> 00:38:49,847 We didn't take the time to listen to our own children. 899 00:38:49,864 --> 00:38:53,677 We just kind of told them to just accept these kids, 900 00:38:53,694 --> 00:38:54,864 like, you know what I mean? 901 00:38:54,881 --> 00:38:56,728 Like, we really hurried and kind of put it together 902 00:38:56,745 --> 00:38:59,745 without really taking everybody's temperature. 903 00:38:59,762 --> 00:39:03,542 They were being told to, you know, sit down 904 00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,610 and shut up, and to accept this family being merged in. 905 00:39:06,627 --> 00:39:09,389 And I feel like maybe we should've taken some time. 906 00:39:09,728 --> 00:39:11,542 Can we get back from this? 907 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,406 Can we come back from something like this? 908 00:39:13,423 --> 00:39:14,728 I'm gonna say... 909 00:39:14,745 --> 00:39:18,423 I am not willing, personally... 910 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,440 I'm not willing to fix it yet. 911 00:39:20,457 --> 00:39:23,152 There's still so much 912 00:39:23,932 --> 00:39:28,338 blown-out-of-proportion comments that are being made, 913 00:39:28,355 --> 00:39:29,796 that are so outlandish. 914 00:39:29,813 --> 00:39:34,508 I'm, like, I am not interested in fixing anything right now. 915 00:39:34,525 --> 00:39:35,711 With the kids, yes, always. 916 00:39:35,728 --> 00:39:39,406 But with Kody and Robyn, no. Not yet. 917 00:39:39,423 --> 00:39:40,677 No, I don't trust them right now, 918 00:39:40,694 --> 00:39:43,423 and I realize that takes communication, 919 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,627 but that takes a desire, 920 00:39:44,644 --> 00:39:46,542 and that takes something you want to do. 921 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:48,661 I don't want to right now, just to be honest, 922 00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:50,271 and just to be real. 923 00:39:50,288 --> 00:39:51,389 [Sukanya] Okay. 924 00:39:51,406 --> 00:39:52,372 [narrator reading] 925 00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:54,661 I'm engaged to... I know, engaged! 926 00:39:54,677 --> 00:39:56,677 I'm engaged, I'm getting married! 927 00:39:56,694 --> 00:39:57,728 To the love of my life. 928 00:39:57,745 --> 00:39:59,644 -Can you show off that ring? -Yes. 929 00:39:59,661 --> 00:40:01,661 I met the love of my life. I did. 930 00:40:01,677 --> 00:40:04,593 How different is the relationship with David 931 00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:06,440 than it is with Kody? 932 00:40:14,728 --> 00:40:15,949 [man] It's rolling now. 933 00:40:15,966 --> 00:40:19,796 So where are you at now, and who are you seeing? 934 00:40:19,813 --> 00:40:21,542 -Yes, so-- -Who are you dating? 935 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:22,694 Yes. [squeals] 936 00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:25,593 So I'm engaged to... I know, engaged! 937 00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:27,593 I'm engaged, I'm getting married! 938 00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:28,627 To the love of my life. 939 00:40:28,644 --> 00:40:30,610 -Can you show off that ring? -Yes. 940 00:40:30,627 --> 00:40:32,593 I met the love of my life. I did. 941 00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:33,830 -Okay... -Soulmate. 942 00:40:33,847 --> 00:40:35,966 You wanna hear about it? Okay, so we met online. 943 00:40:35,983 --> 00:40:38,898 And it was like... I knew what I was looking for. 944 00:40:38,915 --> 00:40:41,559 I wanted a partner. I wanted someone to have a good time with, 945 00:40:41,576 --> 00:40:42,847 but I really was only casually dating. 946 00:40:42,864 --> 00:40:46,033 I wasn't looking for, like, the one, you know. 947 00:40:46,305 --> 00:40:46,881 But then I see... 948 00:40:46,898 --> 00:40:49,610 I signed up to do this online dating thing. 949 00:40:49,627 --> 00:40:51,694 And the night that I signed up for it, 950 00:40:51,711 --> 00:40:53,796 there was his picture, and he has these eyes. 951 00:40:53,813 --> 00:40:56,745 And I'm like, I wanna be looked at with those eyes 952 00:40:56,762 --> 00:40:59,711 with the look of love in 'em, for the rest of my life, so check. 953 00:40:59,728 --> 00:41:03,101 So I went on a date with him, and met him in person... 954 00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:06,813 -And he's just charming. -Mm. 955 00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:11,559 And he's kind, and he's sweet, and he says everything right. 956 00:41:11,576 --> 00:41:13,542 Everything right. So sweet and so kind. 957 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:14,796 So immediately, I'm all, that can't be right. 958 00:41:14,813 --> 00:41:16,050 There's no way he can be that great. 959 00:41:16,067 --> 00:41:18,694 And then after that, we just had a couple more dates, 960 00:41:18,711 --> 00:41:21,508 and I still was like, is he real? 961 00:41:21,525 --> 00:41:22,745 You know, is this really real? 962 00:41:22,762 --> 00:41:25,610 'Cause he says everything and it's just so perfect. 963 00:41:25,627 --> 00:41:27,728 So he goes, "Would you wanna come to my birthday party? 964 00:41:27,745 --> 00:41:29,305 And you can meet my whole family. 965 00:41:29,322 --> 00:41:30,016 I'm like, yes. 966 00:41:30,033 --> 00:41:32,915 Because when you meet the family, then you can see if it's real. 967 00:41:32,932 --> 00:41:34,983 No, I met them all, and they were amazing. 968 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,610 And then at the dinner is when I fell in love with him. 969 00:41:37,627 --> 00:41:39,000 -I'm not kidding, it was that fast. -I love it. 970 00:41:39,016 --> 00:41:42,542 It was, like, our fourth date. We're sitting there with this huge group of people, 971 00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,372 and he pulls his chair... my chair to him, 972 00:41:46,389 --> 00:41:48,423 and he puts his arm around me, 973 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,033 and I put my head against his chest, 974 00:41:51,796 --> 00:41:54,389 and it was like I took my first breath. 975 00:41:54,406 --> 00:41:57,322 And my heart beat for the first time. 976 00:41:57,338 --> 00:41:57,864 [Sukanya] Aw. 977 00:41:57,881 --> 00:42:00,711 And I didn't even know what I didn't have before. 978 00:42:00,728 --> 00:42:02,457 But I knew at that point 979 00:42:03,288 --> 00:42:03,847 that this was it. 980 00:42:03,864 --> 00:42:06,355 He's it for me, and he's my soulmate, 981 00:42:06,372 --> 00:42:07,847 and I love him. 982 00:42:07,864 --> 00:42:11,288 How different is the relationship with David 983 00:42:11,305 --> 00:42:14,050 than it is with Kody? 984 00:42:14,864 --> 00:42:19,203 So, first thing I realized was that 985 00:42:19,457 --> 00:42:21,525 David loves me. 986 00:42:21,542 --> 00:42:24,728 He loves me, and I felt so loved. 987 00:42:24,745 --> 00:42:29,440 But with that comes a confidence that I can just be me. 988 00:42:29,457 --> 00:42:30,847 There's no strings attached to it. Nothing. 989 00:42:30,864 --> 00:42:35,644 I don't have to do anything to earn his love. 990 00:42:35,661 --> 00:42:37,610 It isn't... It's just always there. 991 00:42:37,627 --> 00:42:38,881 It's just always constant. 992 00:42:38,898 --> 00:42:41,288 May I ask you a total girlfriend question? 993 00:42:41,305 --> 00:42:42,101 -Yeah. Yeah. -Okay. 994 00:42:42,118 --> 00:42:46,677 So you know when you kiss somebody, you feel that, like, unh... 995 00:42:46,694 --> 00:42:49,338 like from the bottom of your toes to the top of your head, 996 00:42:49,355 --> 00:42:50,559 and then it's like that... 997 00:42:50,576 --> 00:42:52,677 Did you feel that, like, in ever-- 998 00:42:52,694 --> 00:42:54,135 -The first kiss? -Yeah. 999 00:42:54,152 --> 00:42:55,627 Yes. Yes. 1000 00:42:55,644 --> 00:42:58,508 Yes. It was a movie. 1001 00:42:58,525 --> 00:43:02,322 All... It was hours of goodness 1002 00:43:02,338 --> 00:43:04,406 rolled up into that kiss. 1003 00:43:04,423 --> 00:43:05,406 -Yes. -Yeah. 1004 00:43:05,423 --> 00:43:07,457 It was 100% everything. 1005 00:43:07,474 --> 00:43:08,898 Yeah, and then you know. 1006 00:43:08,915 --> 00:43:13,677 Yes. I'm like, oh, that's what it's like... 1007 00:43:13,694 --> 00:43:17,694 to feel desired and desirable. 1008 00:43:17,711 --> 00:43:20,728 -Mm. -It was magical. Magical. 1009 00:43:20,745 --> 00:43:22,830 I can't wait... I can't wait for you to meet him. 1010 00:43:22,847 --> 00:43:25,457 I love introducing him to people. I love it. 1011 00:43:25,474 --> 00:43:28,457 He got to meet Janelle, so excited. 1012 00:43:28,474 --> 00:43:29,779 And then, same thing, every time I get 1013 00:43:29,796 --> 00:43:31,474 to introduce him to anybody, I'm like, 1014 00:43:31,491 --> 00:43:32,796 you just wait, just wait. 1015 00:43:32,813 --> 00:43:35,610 [narrator] Next time on Sister Wives One on One. 1016 00:43:35,627 --> 00:43:37,779 I'm sorry, Christine, if I'm telling on you. 1017 00:43:37,796 --> 00:43:39,745 She said, "I did not know what it was like 1018 00:43:39,762 --> 00:43:41,694 to be loved like this." 1019 00:43:41,711 --> 00:43:44,525 Do you actually think Robyn really wants to live a plural life? 1020 00:43:44,542 --> 00:43:46,830 No, I don't think that Robyn has any desire 1021 00:43:46,847 --> 00:43:48,610 to live polygamy or plural marriage. 1022 00:43:48,627 --> 00:43:51,576 I don't think Christine knows Robyn at all. 1023 00:43:51,593 --> 00:43:53,016 She was a [bleep] sister wife. 1024 00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:56,694 She'll probably, and I hope, be a very good wife for David. 1025 00:43:56,711 --> 00:43:59,033 Could you find happiness 1026 00:43:59,542 --> 00:44:02,084 with just Kody, at this time? 1027 00:44:04,593 --> 00:44:06,457 I wanna say yes... 1028 00:44:07,644 --> 00:44:10,610 to be loving and respectful to Kody. 1029 00:44:10,627 --> 00:44:12,745 I wanna say yes, but... 1030 00:44:12,762 --> 00:44:15,796 -I think we all need to meet him. -I agree. 1031 00:44:15,813 --> 00:44:17,559 -Hey, baby... -Hey, David. Come on out! 1032 00:44:17,576 --> 00:44:18,661 -So nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 1033 00:44:18,677 --> 00:44:19,779 I have so many questions. 1034 00:44:19,796 --> 00:44:21,525 Can I ask you all the questions 1035 00:44:21,542 --> 00:44:23,677 -that inquiring minds want to know? -Sure. 1036 00:44:23,694 --> 00:44:25,728 Here's the thing. For David's sake, 1037 00:44:25,745 --> 00:44:27,813 Christine has to destroy my character, 1038 00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:30,576 or David doesn't feel like he can marry her, 1039 00:44:30,593 --> 00:44:32,406 'cause she left a good man.