1 00:00:03,467 --> 00:00:06,367 Hi, everyone. Welcome to the second hour 2 00:00:06,367 --> 00:00:08,667 of Sister Wives Talk Back. 3 00:00:08,667 --> 00:00:10,166 Robyn and I are gonna sit down 4 00:00:10,166 --> 00:00:13,867 and discuss the final episode of this season. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,100 I wasn't nice enough to my sister wives. 6 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:22,567 Christine and I, both know that that's a code word for you weren't nice to Robyn. 7 00:00:22,567 --> 00:00:27,500 On the contrary, Robyn, it was that Christine wasn't nice to me. 8 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:30,266 This agreement that I gave you, 9 00:00:30,266 --> 00:00:32,367 our sacred covenant... 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,300 [imitates retching] 11 00:00:37,367 --> 00:00:40,934 I'm not sitting here, needing to be told that I have the power to leave. 12 00:00:41,266 --> 00:00:42,233 I've left. 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,133 [Meri reading] 14 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:56,266 Well, I was never Kody's doormat. 15 00:00:56,266 --> 00:00:58,667 -Jeff, you're reading too many tabloids. -Hey-- 16 00:00:58,667 --> 00:01:00,233 We didn't want this breakup. 17 00:01:00,667 --> 00:01:01,867 [Christine reading] 18 00:01:01,867 --> 00:01:03,934 No. Don't sign me up for that. 19 00:01:04,266 --> 00:01:05,367 Queen, maybe. 20 00:01:05,367 --> 00:01:08,467 I'm not gonna make somebody act 21 00:01:08,467 --> 00:01:10,166 how they don't want to act. 22 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:12,533 -Yeah, I get that. -The act is easy. 23 00:01:14,667 --> 00:01:15,767 The act is easy. 24 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:17,233 [gasps] 25 00:01:39,767 --> 00:01:42,967 Hey, guys. So we're back for another talk back. 26 00:01:42,967 --> 00:01:47,000 'Cause I guess you didn't maybe get enough of it, the first time. 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,767 This time, we're gonna watch the finale. 28 00:01:50,767 --> 00:01:53,000 I'm gonna comment. 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,266 We'll see. I don't know how this one's gonna go. 30 00:01:55,266 --> 00:01:57,767 This was a big episode, y'all. 31 00:01:57,767 --> 00:02:00,767 And, oh, my gosh, what a crazy year. 32 00:02:01,467 --> 00:02:02,266 Whoo. 33 00:02:07,166 --> 00:02:08,166 Ready? 34 00:02:20,266 --> 00:02:21,934 [Meri] All right. It is October. 35 00:02:22,867 --> 00:02:25,300 There has been a lot of stuff going on. 36 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:31,066 So, April was mine and Kody's 32nd anniversary. 37 00:02:31,066 --> 00:02:33,100 For the past six months, 38 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:35,867 I've had to really take a lot of time 39 00:02:35,867 --> 00:02:39,834 to figure out the fact that there really is... 40 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:43,000 no commitment or covenant. 41 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,367 He's already broken it. 42 00:02:45,567 --> 00:02:48,667 From everything that you know about our covenants, 43 00:02:48,667 --> 00:02:51,300 would you say that, you've somehow broken your covenant? 44 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,100 No. Meri had the affair. I didn't break covenants. 45 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:55,700 And it wasn't a physical affair. 46 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,367 So I thought we were reconcilable. 47 00:02:58,367 --> 00:03:01,367 [Meri] I really felt like I was emotionally abandoned by him, 48 00:03:01,367 --> 00:03:03,033 many, many years ago. 49 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:06,233 Well before the catfishing. 50 00:03:07,967 --> 00:03:09,100 I agree with that. 51 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:13,667 Um, he really pulled back emotionally, 52 00:03:13,667 --> 00:03:16,967 from all of us, but especially from Meri. 53 00:03:16,967 --> 00:03:18,433 Um, that was back in Vegas, 54 00:03:18,433 --> 00:03:21,467 where I felt like I didn't have a good relationship with Kody anymore either. 55 00:03:21,467 --> 00:03:24,467 I think for him, he's probably believed when she said, 56 00:03:24,467 --> 00:03:26,266 "Don't come over anymore." 57 00:03:26,266 --> 00:03:28,934 When we moved to Flagstaff, which is now been... 58 00:03:29,667 --> 00:03:31,233 five years... Over five years. 59 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:33,667 I told Meri, um, 60 00:03:33,667 --> 00:03:37,767 "Yeah. We might be able to get this. You know, start over again." 61 00:03:37,767 --> 00:03:42,166 And, um, after we did the whole, like, start over again thing, 62 00:03:42,166 --> 00:03:44,300 um, we were spending time together, 63 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:46,133 and every time I spent time with her... 64 00:03:47,367 --> 00:03:49,200 it wasn't healthy. 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,266 [Janelle] It's... It's really no secret that Meri and Kody 66 00:03:51,266 --> 00:03:54,567 have had promise for a very, very, very long time. 67 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:56,500 Above all, Meri is very loyal. 68 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,000 And she's very much a person of her word. 69 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,367 And she felts like, she gave a commitment. 70 00:04:01,367 --> 00:04:02,533 But I wonder... 71 00:04:04,166 --> 00:04:07,166 at what point, if it's not very healthy for her. 72 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:10,266 So then about a month ago, 73 00:04:10,266 --> 00:04:12,300 I saw where he actually said, 74 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:16,100 "No, I don't consider myself married to Meri anymore." 75 00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:19,100 [Kody] I don't really consider myself married to Meri. 76 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,100 If she wanted to move on, and marry another, 77 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:22,934 she wouldn't get an argument with me. 78 00:04:24,166 --> 00:04:27,634 [Meri] That was pretty insulting and pretty vulgar... 79 00:04:28,567 --> 00:04:30,667 for him to just be open to that. 80 00:04:31,567 --> 00:04:34,100 I don't understand why she keeps this. 81 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:36,567 I think it's because she addicted to being a victim. 82 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,567 Most of the time, these private conversations, 83 00:04:41,567 --> 00:04:43,467 these individual interviews, 84 00:04:43,467 --> 00:04:47,367 I don't know anything about, until I see them on the show. 85 00:04:47,367 --> 00:04:50,100 So when I saw that, where he said, 86 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,066 "I don't even consider her my wife", 87 00:04:53,066 --> 00:04:56,300 like that's... like that's a big shift. 88 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:57,700 I think it's disgusting 89 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:59,667 how Kody has been dragging Meri along for years. 90 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,066 Can you imagine finding out... 91 00:05:02,066 --> 00:05:05,367 their marriage was over on social media like that? 92 00:05:08,166 --> 00:05:10,100 Pretty sure it was like a text. 93 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:12,767 And I think it's equally as disgusting that Robyn's like, 94 00:05:12,767 --> 00:05:14,467 "Stay with the family. Stay with the family..." 95 00:05:14,467 --> 00:05:16,100 Let that girl go. 96 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:17,500 Okay, one more thing. 97 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:21,467 I've got some viewer questions 98 00:05:21,467 --> 00:05:25,066 and comments that I am going to respond to. 99 00:05:25,467 --> 00:05:26,734 [reading] 100 00:05:30,967 --> 00:05:34,667 We obviously felt like it was good for us at the time. 101 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:37,667 I still feel like that it was. 102 00:05:37,667 --> 00:05:41,834 I feel like, things after that that had happened is what... 103 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:45,767 you know, obviously kind of created some conflict. 104 00:05:45,767 --> 00:05:47,667 I mean, there was a little bit of a shake up 105 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:51,166 whenever any wife comes into the family, 106 00:05:51,166 --> 00:05:55,200 no matter what time it is, you know, how many years it's been. 107 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,266 We did also have so many other things that were happening, 108 00:05:58,266 --> 00:06:02,767 around that same time, as far as like, going public, moving to Las Vegas. 109 00:06:02,767 --> 00:06:06,100 And there was, you know, just a big shift in the family 110 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:08,266 and in our lifestyles. 111 00:06:08,266 --> 00:06:10,000 Look, we all loved Robyn. 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,166 We loved her kids. 113 00:06:11,166 --> 00:06:13,500 It's unfortunate the way that it's gone down. 114 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:17,967 But, it just is. It's just, relationships and people change. 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,867 [Janelle] So we've been in Burley, Idaho, 116 00:06:21,867 --> 00:06:23,767 visiting Christine's brothers. 117 00:06:23,767 --> 00:06:26,166 -[man] Good morning. How you guys doing? -Hey, this is beautiful. 118 00:06:26,166 --> 00:06:28,000 Today we decided we were gonna go on a hike 119 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,700 at the City of Rocks National Reserve. 120 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:33,300 It's a really cool area with a lot of rocks and good hiking. 121 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:35,867 And we're just gonna go hang out and go for a little hike. 122 00:06:35,867 --> 00:06:37,367 [woman] Janelle, we need a picture here. 123 00:06:37,367 --> 00:06:39,000 [Janelle] I know. Wow! 124 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,166 A couple of years ago, I left Kody. 125 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,066 Janelle's separated from Kody right now. 126 00:06:43,066 --> 00:06:45,667 But we are sister wives, and we're just going 127 00:06:45,667 --> 00:06:47,400 to keep on being sister wives, 128 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,600 and really good friends for the rest of our lives. 129 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,100 And keep raising our kids together. 130 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:55,500 And, just represent the plural part of our family. 131 00:06:55,500 --> 00:07:00,266 I actually like the fact that Janelle and Christine have this relationship now. 132 00:07:00,266 --> 00:07:06,066 They didn't, you know, for most of the years that we were together as a family. 133 00:07:06,066 --> 00:07:07,500 I guess-- [chuckles] 134 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:12,100 I guess that just, you know, shows that having, you know, that, 135 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:14,400 the conflicts, the jealousy, whatever, 136 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,767 those are not there anymore. 137 00:07:16,767 --> 00:07:18,200 [Christine] Just so you guys know, in Janelle's mind, 138 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,700 -she's naming all of these plants. -[Janelle] Oh, yeah. 139 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:22,367 It's interesting that Christine and Janelle 140 00:07:22,367 --> 00:07:24,600 have a new found relationship. 141 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,400 'Cause I think it was more antagonistic before. 142 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,166 Uh, I wish it wasn't so, 143 00:07:29,166 --> 00:07:36,166 but it seems to me that they are united in a common enemy against me... and Robyn. 144 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:39,000 Because they've got nothing good to say about us. 145 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,967 Kody wants to see this as, like, oh, my gosh, they're banding against me. 146 00:07:41,967 --> 00:07:44,667 Christine's converted Janelle to her hate. 147 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:47,567 No. Like, we just really have a relationship. 148 00:07:47,567 --> 00:07:50,867 We always had one. There was always a lot of history, 149 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:53,166 so many experiences that we shared. 150 00:07:53,166 --> 00:07:57,500 And without the noise of the plural marriage, 151 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:00,300 all that, just was able to come forward. 152 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:01,767 So you just went back to school? 153 00:08:01,767 --> 00:08:04,367 [Christine] Did you do a lot of it online? Or you had to go in person? 154 00:08:04,367 --> 00:08:06,000 Uh, it's actually all online. 155 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,467 But I was younger... 156 00:08:07,467 --> 00:08:09,667 [stammering] Oh, my gosh. 157 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:12,166 Our group was teaching that the world was gonna end. 158 00:08:12,166 --> 00:08:14,100 So don't get your college education. 159 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,166 All women need to do is get married. The world's gonna end. 160 00:08:17,166 --> 00:08:19,467 There was different classes and church meetings that we went to 161 00:08:19,467 --> 00:08:23,100 where some of the people would teach that the world was gonna end. 162 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:25,667 And I remember talking to my dad about it, and he was like, 163 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:27,700 [imitates dad's voice] "Oh, Chris, that's not true. 164 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:29,700 That's crazy. You gotta go to college." 165 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:31,967 [Christine in normal voice] I'm like, oh... 166 00:08:31,967 --> 00:08:37,066 One of my favorite things Christine does, is her imitation of her dad. 167 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:41,000 I'm glad that Rex was, her dad was smart, 168 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,767 because in every group that you get, you know, involved in, 169 00:08:44,767 --> 00:08:47,900 it seems like there's always people who are looking for the apocalypse 170 00:08:47,900 --> 00:08:50,767 to come and rescue them or whatever. 171 00:08:50,767 --> 00:08:53,166 But hey, during COVID, who had toilet paper? 172 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:55,066 -[all laughs] -Yes, girl. 173 00:08:55,467 --> 00:08:56,333 [reading] 174 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:03,300 Yes. Yes. 175 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:05,166 I grew up terrified. 176 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:08,266 And I remember specifically talking to my dad, 177 00:09:08,266 --> 00:09:10,300 and being and... and being like, 178 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:13,400 what's gonna happen? When is the world gonna end? 179 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,200 When is Jesus coming back? 180 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,734 When is all this gonna happen? He's like, "Whoa... 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,133 Whoa. 182 00:09:19,867 --> 00:09:23,367 You're like a kid. You're 14. Just live." 183 00:09:24,266 --> 00:09:26,100 We could do a family reunion here. 184 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:28,700 'Cause Christine and I have talked about doing a reunion with our kids. 185 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:30,066 Like all the kids... 186 00:09:30,066 --> 00:09:31,967 To get 'em all in the same space again, 187 00:09:31,967 --> 00:09:35,266 I think that would be a feat. 188 00:09:35,266 --> 00:09:38,567 [Janelle] You know, I just... It just for some reason feels there's this huge gulf 189 00:09:38,567 --> 00:09:42,266 between Robyn's children and the rest of the children. 190 00:09:42,266 --> 00:09:47,000 I hear from my children and Christine's children whenever I'm with them, 191 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,500 that they miss Robyn's children. 192 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:53,667 You know, I don't know. Like, it's become so estranged and so bitter. 193 00:09:53,667 --> 00:09:55,467 And there's things being said now. 194 00:09:55,467 --> 00:09:58,367 And I just don't know, if it'll ever happen. 195 00:10:01,467 --> 00:10:02,867 You know, this is from living with her. 196 00:10:02,867 --> 00:10:05,066 She doesn't really wanna share resources. 197 00:10:05,066 --> 00:10:07,600 That was a big, fat lie. Just FYI. 198 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,166 Everybody always thinks that if Kody has it, Robyn has it. 199 00:10:11,166 --> 00:10:12,567 If Kody says it, Robyn says it. 200 00:10:12,567 --> 00:10:14,700 Kody thinks it and feels it, Robyn thinks it and feels it. 201 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:16,166 That is not true. 202 00:10:16,166 --> 00:10:17,467 But they are legally married. 203 00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:21,533 So in theory, she will get half or more of what Kody has. 204 00:10:26,367 --> 00:10:29,066 [Kody] Okay. Now we have some posts and texts to answer. 205 00:10:29,967 --> 00:10:31,233 [reading] 206 00:10:38,266 --> 00:10:42,100 Well, Jeff, I think you're a victim of 20 hours of our life 207 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:46,200 -for just 365 days-- -Just stop. You need to be nice. 208 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,266 -Listen, we didn't want our family to break up. -I know. 209 00:10:49,266 --> 00:10:51,667 -Isn't that obvious? -Well, right. But you're not-- 210 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:53,400 He's not trying to be rude. 211 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,700 -Jeff, you're reading too many tabloids. -Hey-- 212 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:59,667 We didn't want this breakup. I didn't want this breakup. 213 00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:02,767 -I know. But he wasn't being rude. -I can't tell. 214 00:11:02,767 --> 00:11:05,567 -He's not being rude. -I think you just say that? 215 00:11:05,567 --> 00:11:09,300 -Like, we like each other, that's true. -He was trying to be... 216 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:13,233 Sorry. Listen, I've gone through three divorces in three years. 217 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,066 I'm not a happy camper. And I'm not nice. 218 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:30,900 Me, Meri, and Robyn are gonna sit down and talk about the property. 219 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:32,200 Whose property is what. 220 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,800 And just reaffirming sort of the division and stuff like that. 221 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,500 [Robyn] Every time I'm out here on the property, 222 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:42,367 it makes me ache. Ache, ache, ache, to get just get of here. 223 00:11:42,367 --> 00:11:45,266 Well, Meri, since you want to build on the property, 224 00:11:45,266 --> 00:11:46,967 we should go walk it. 225 00:11:46,967 --> 00:11:48,367 You're skipping a conversation. 226 00:11:48,367 --> 00:11:51,900 There's like quite a few conversations that are being skipped here. 227 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:53,867 [Meri] After Christine left, 228 00:11:53,867 --> 00:11:58,767 I guess she signed over her property to Kody and Robyn. 229 00:11:58,767 --> 00:12:01,467 And I don't know what's happening with that. 230 00:12:01,467 --> 00:12:02,767 So, here's the deal. 231 00:12:02,767 --> 00:12:04,867 -We're still doing five lots, okay? -[Meri] Okay. 232 00:12:04,867 --> 00:12:06,500 -So-- -Christine's just out. 233 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:08,800 -So, you-- -And who gets the other one? 234 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,066 Me. 235 00:12:10,066 --> 00:12:11,867 Christine left. She's gone. 236 00:12:11,867 --> 00:12:15,367 So I'll own lot number three, which was gonna be her lot. 237 00:12:15,367 --> 00:12:18,200 Because of things that have gone on in the past with the family, 238 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,166 I'm not gonna give the family lot to any wife. 239 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,967 Okay. So you get four, Robyn gets four. 240 00:12:24,967 --> 00:12:26,667 So you guys will get eight together. 241 00:12:26,667 --> 00:12:30,100 -No. It's two acre lots. -[Meri] Yeah. 242 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:32,800 -Two acre lots. And then four acre lots. -[Meri] Yeah. So... 243 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,300 Right. So, if you're getting two and two, that's four. 244 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:38,600 It seems like he's already made the decision. 245 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,166 And I don't think that's fair. 246 00:12:40,166 --> 00:12:43,700 Because regardless of the fact that he and I haven't had a relationship 247 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:47,000 for, you know, eight or ten years, or however long it's been, 248 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,400 I'm still part of the family, 249 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,467 and I still financially put into it. 250 00:12:50,467 --> 00:12:52,467 And so I deserve to have 251 00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:54,367 some of the property. 252 00:12:54,367 --> 00:12:58,266 And not just what he decides I'm worthy of. 253 00:12:58,266 --> 00:13:01,266 The fact that he's gonna take a property lot all by himself 254 00:13:01,266 --> 00:13:02,667 is just so selfish. 255 00:13:02,667 --> 00:13:04,500 That's not polygamy. That's selfishness. 256 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:05,834 But anyway... 257 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:12,066 [Meri] Okay. Some questions, rather than just the statements. 258 00:13:12,367 --> 00:13:14,233 [reading] 259 00:13:19,567 --> 00:13:22,667 So we purchase them in different size lots. 260 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:25,900 That's just how they came. 261 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:29,467 How about, they get a surveyor out there 262 00:13:29,467 --> 00:13:32,567 to separate it into the four lots? 263 00:13:32,567 --> 00:13:35,467 'Cause inequality is where it's at. 264 00:13:35,467 --> 00:13:39,166 bymyownrules says... [reading] 265 00:13:41,667 --> 00:13:44,166 Well, I was never Kody's doormat. 266 00:13:44,166 --> 00:13:47,100 So it was never a decision for me to make. 267 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:50,800 Here's the thing. People think that I was a doormat, 268 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,100 because I chose to stay in my committed marriage. 269 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:59,066 I disagree with your statement about me, of being a doormat. 270 00:13:59,066 --> 00:14:01,834 And I will not take that on to myself. But, thank you. 271 00:14:03,367 --> 00:14:05,000 This is just weird to me. 272 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,600 That you two get eight together, four and four. 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,100 Janelle gets four and I get two. 274 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,467 Meri has one child, and I have 18 children. 275 00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:19,367 And I wanted to keep the lot with the pond 276 00:14:19,367 --> 00:14:21,100 to be for the whole family. 277 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:24,066 'Cause the whole family kind of understands that Meri doesn't want to really... 278 00:14:24,066 --> 00:14:27,667 You know, this is from living with her. She doesn't really wanna share resources. 279 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:30,700 That was a big, fat lie. Just FYI. 280 00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:33,800 I am completely fine with sharing resources. 281 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,066 I think that it's definitely a give and take situation. 282 00:14:37,066 --> 00:14:39,266 And if it's not mutual, 283 00:14:39,266 --> 00:14:41,433 that's where I have the... 284 00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:43,667 conflicts with it. 285 00:14:43,667 --> 00:14:45,734 The other thing is... 286 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:47,967 that... 287 00:14:47,967 --> 00:14:50,266 you never know if Kody and I are gonna stay together. 288 00:14:50,266 --> 00:14:51,967 -[Meri] I mean... -[both laughs] 289 00:14:51,967 --> 00:14:53,066 [Meri] You never know. 290 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:56,166 You have another 22 years down the road. 291 00:14:56,166 --> 00:14:59,367 [Robyn] That was a bad joke, Kody. Sorry. 292 00:14:59,367 --> 00:15:01,100 -Sorry. -Should think of a comeback. 293 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:02,567 [Robyn] No, I'm just saying like, here's the thing. 294 00:15:02,567 --> 00:15:05,000 -No, this is-- -10 years in, 12 years in, 295 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,767 -I wouldn't have thought-- -That was a bad joke. Sorry, sweetheart. I'm sorry. 296 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:14,166 We have no idea what the future holds. 297 00:15:14,166 --> 00:15:16,867 I'm not saying that Kody and I are gonna really split up, 298 00:15:16,867 --> 00:15:18,367 but, I mean, it's just like, 299 00:15:18,367 --> 00:15:21,066 I deserve my fourth too, is what my point is. 300 00:15:21,066 --> 00:15:22,967 Not to be counted with Kody. 301 00:15:22,967 --> 00:15:24,867 I'm totally in agreement with that. 302 00:15:24,867 --> 00:15:27,567 Like, she should have some property. 303 00:15:27,567 --> 00:15:29,367 I actually get tired of that. 304 00:15:29,367 --> 00:15:32,333 To constantly always be counted with Kody and... 305 00:15:32,967 --> 00:15:34,367 like, everybody always thinks 306 00:15:34,367 --> 00:15:36,867 that if Kody has it, Robyn has it. 307 00:15:36,867 --> 00:15:38,200 If Kody says it, Robyn says it. 308 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,367 Kody thinks it and feels it, Robyn thinks it and feels it. 309 00:15:40,367 --> 00:15:41,433 That is not true. 310 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:43,367 But they are legally married. 311 00:15:43,367 --> 00:15:48,000 So in theory, she will get half or more of what Kody has... 312 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,166 if they divorce. 313 00:15:50,467 --> 00:15:51,667 What'd you think would be different? 314 00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:53,467 What were you imagining would be different? 315 00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:55,767 No, I just wasn't really imagining anything. 316 00:15:55,767 --> 00:15:58,734 I just knew there was now two more acres. 317 00:15:59,266 --> 00:16:00,734 So does that mean... 318 00:16:01,867 --> 00:16:02,867 like, I get them? 319 00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:04,867 Because Robyn and Janelle each have... 320 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:06,767 four. 321 00:16:06,767 --> 00:16:11,533 If each of our... the... the ladies... 322 00:16:14,367 --> 00:16:17,200 Um, to me, if each of the ladies, 323 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,567 if our property is intended to pass down to our children, 324 00:16:20,567 --> 00:16:22,634 then all of the children are covered. 325 00:16:23,367 --> 00:16:28,767 So then, what is Kody's property for? 326 00:16:28,767 --> 00:16:31,433 -[Kody] I'm not thinking that. -[Meri laughs] Okay. 327 00:16:32,567 --> 00:16:34,166 I understand. 328 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:37,166 I understand. 329 00:16:37,166 --> 00:16:39,333 I've explained that to her 100 times. 330 00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,867 Oh, I understand what he's saying. [scoffs] 331 00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:46,367 What I mean here is that, 332 00:16:46,367 --> 00:16:47,667 we each deserve our own, 333 00:16:47,667 --> 00:16:52,300 and I wanted the fifth lot for basically a family lot. 334 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:57,000 Well, I just felt like... Everybody, because we all work together, 335 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,767 you know, made the same amount, that everybody 336 00:17:00,767 --> 00:17:03,367 should kind of get their equal portion. 337 00:17:03,367 --> 00:17:07,266 That's fair. But there won't be a lot now where all the kids have access. 338 00:17:07,266 --> 00:17:09,767 The recreational lot. If we do that way. 339 00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:12,367 -Yeah, I know. -'Cause we all know from experience 340 00:17:12,367 --> 00:17:15,567 that nobody else is really gonna share with all of the kids. 341 00:17:15,567 --> 00:17:18,467 I didn't understand that at the time. 342 00:17:18,467 --> 00:17:20,400 That makes more sense to me. 343 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,667 [Kody] But originally my thought was that... 344 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:27,066 I would have lot one, so that all of the children will have access to it. 345 00:17:27,066 --> 00:17:31,233 Because I'm the only that all of the children have claim on. 346 00:17:37,066 --> 00:17:38,800 We have a barbecue at Levi's house now. 347 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,066 This is the last thing we're gonna do with him. 348 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:42,567 And oh, my gosh, it's just been a fun couple of days. 349 00:17:43,967 --> 00:17:45,567 [Janelle] Look how tall I would throw. [laughs] 350 00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:47,700 We're playing ultimate frisbee. 351 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,100 Now what I wanna do is, lay it up right over the top. 352 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,000 And you're just gonna be right behind it like a backboard 353 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,767 and dunk it down, that's three points. 354 00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:57,000 It'll be me and Chris, against Mathew and Janelle. 355 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Oh, no, no. I promise, he doesn't want to be on my team. 356 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,166 We will help each other. You're gonna be just fine. 357 00:18:01,166 --> 00:18:03,166 Between Meri and Robyn and Janelle, 358 00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,967 I am definitely the most competitive. 359 00:18:04,967 --> 00:18:06,367 That is why I left first. 360 00:18:06,367 --> 00:18:08,634 It's because I wanted to win. [laughs] 361 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,533 Listen. 362 00:18:18,467 --> 00:18:19,900 She's not wrong. 363 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:23,100 She definitely is the most competitive. 364 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:25,967 Christine always has been. It's kind of funny. 365 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:29,767 -[man] Yeah! That's how you do it. -Nice. 366 00:18:30,867 --> 00:18:33,166 Nice... Oh. 367 00:18:33,166 --> 00:18:36,200 You said in the last few years, you kind of had your moment, 368 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,700 realizing that maybe you did need to move away. 369 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:40,066 What happened in the last few years? 370 00:18:40,066 --> 00:18:43,166 So, he just said that he wasn't attracted to me. 371 00:18:43,166 --> 00:18:46,166 And there was no real chemistry and it wasn't gonna be. 372 00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:49,266 And I wasn't nice enough to my sister wives. 373 00:18:49,266 --> 00:18:52,700 Christine and I, both know that that's a code word for you weren't nice to Robyn. 374 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:54,533 -You were nice to me. -I was nice to you. [laughs] 375 00:18:56,467 --> 00:19:01,266 On the contrary, Robyn, it was that Christine wasn't nice to me. 376 00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,166 [Janelle] I used to hear all these crazy stories. 377 00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:06,367 Like, Kody really believed that Christine was being so mean. 378 00:19:06,367 --> 00:19:09,166 And I don't think Christine really was. 379 00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:11,767 I mean, like, he's basically accused me when my boys, 380 00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:16,667 especially, have been so mean to this one person who's given everything to this family. 381 00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:20,600 I think that's a pretty one-sided view of this situation. 382 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,967 That was one angry argument that I had with Janelle, once. 383 00:19:25,967 --> 00:19:27,400 Once, I was mad at Janelle 384 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,400 for the things that her boys were doing and that she was doing. 385 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,200 But Christine had been complaining about Janelle 386 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,333 and about Meri... 387 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,100 for years. 388 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,834 They're trying to make this... 389 00:19:40,867 --> 00:19:42,033 our breakup. 390 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,567 Everything about Robyn... 391 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,166 that's actually a lie. 392 00:19:48,467 --> 00:19:51,834 From the day that I asked him to not stay there anymore, 393 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:53,867 I took my life back. 394 00:19:53,867 --> 00:19:56,266 And I got it back. 395 00:19:56,266 --> 00:19:58,967 And I became stronger that day. 396 00:19:58,967 --> 00:20:02,266 This conversation just isn't for my brother, it's for Janelle too. 397 00:20:02,266 --> 00:20:04,467 I'm not saying that Janelle has to follow the same path. 398 00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:07,734 She has way different situation than mine. 399 00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:12,000 But she needs to know it is okay on the other side. 400 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,300 This narrative that Christine talks about all the time frustrates me. 401 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:18,066 I'm fine. I am separated from Kody. 402 00:20:18,066 --> 00:20:20,066 Kody and I are no longer gonna be together. 403 00:20:20,066 --> 00:20:23,467 And she acts like I'm sitting here, needing encouragement to leave, 404 00:20:23,467 --> 00:20:26,767 sitting like I need to be shown that it's okay. 405 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,400 And that's just [bleep]. 406 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,667 Because I have left. 407 00:20:29,667 --> 00:20:32,166 I have three children that still lives in Flagstaff. 408 00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:35,266 So why would I not stay here? I like Flagstaff. I have three kids here. 409 00:20:35,266 --> 00:20:37,400 Just because I can't move away right now, 410 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,867 because the assets are all scrambled, 411 00:20:39,867 --> 00:20:43,667 um, I can't take my part of our state and go somewhere. 412 00:20:43,667 --> 00:20:46,867 And the fact that I'm not dating and I'm not trying to move out of state, 413 00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:49,667 it's like I'm not sitting here needing to be told 414 00:20:49,667 --> 00:20:51,200 that I have the power to leave. 415 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,567 I've left. I just didn't move. 416 00:20:54,567 --> 00:20:57,867 We're raised in a culture where marriages are forever, right? 417 00:20:57,867 --> 00:21:00,667 So that's... It's been a harder thing to like, reconcile. 418 00:21:00,667 --> 00:21:03,266 But, like I think... I mean, we're 50. 419 00:21:03,266 --> 00:21:04,967 We still have a long time. 420 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,066 Because I still... 421 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:09,367 have my faith. 422 00:21:09,367 --> 00:21:11,467 Like, I'm still spiritually married to Kody. 423 00:21:11,467 --> 00:21:14,400 Like, I don't know how to get a divorce that way. 424 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,166 I can tell her how. 425 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:19,467 I'm just saying... [laughs] 426 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,600 -Can I talk back too? I'm gonna talk back. -You can talk back. 427 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,800 He wants her to say, "Our marriage is over." 428 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,800 She's not gonna say that. She's never gonna say that. 429 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,667 We can always have something else, but not that. 430 00:21:35,667 --> 00:21:37,000 So, "stick around and stay married, 431 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,867 but, you know, I can't give you a relationship." 432 00:21:39,567 --> 00:21:40,667 It's ridiculous. 433 00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:46,700 [Jenn] Hello! 434 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,266 Hey. 435 00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:49,867 -Are you busy? -Come in. 436 00:21:49,867 --> 00:21:52,367 Am I interrupting? Are you watching TV? 437 00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:54,600 What are you guys... what are you watching here? 438 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,800 I'm watching our show. 439 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,200 This is the finale of the season. 440 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800 -And it's like this talk-back thing. -Oh. 441 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,700 And so we're-- I-- I just need to watch it. 442 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:07,166 Do you wanna watch the rest of it with me? 443 00:22:07,166 --> 00:22:08,767 -Uh, okay. -Grab a chair. 444 00:22:08,767 --> 00:22:09,767 Can I talk back too? 445 00:22:09,767 --> 00:22:11,433 -You can talk back. -I'm gonna talk back. 446 00:22:18,367 --> 00:22:20,734 Also, is now a good time to drop a bomb? 447 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,900 What's the bomb? 448 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:27,867 [sighs] My heart just started pounding hard. 449 00:22:27,867 --> 00:22:31,934 I was up at the bed and breakfast this past weekend... 450 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:34,533 and... 451 00:22:36,667 --> 00:22:38,700 it needs me. 452 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:42,033 I probably won't be renewing my lease here. 453 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:48,400 I'm not saying anything about this property 454 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,166 because my intention has always been 455 00:22:51,767 --> 00:22:54,033 to build here. 456 00:22:56,567 --> 00:22:59,166 And-- and then, just... 457 00:22:59,166 --> 00:23:01,367 it's like a temporary sort of situation-- 458 00:23:01,367 --> 00:23:02,533 I don't know. 459 00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:05,333 Okay. 460 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:07,333 [exhales] 461 00:23:07,667 --> 00:23:08,634 [crying] 462 00:23:11,166 --> 00:23:12,867 So, I don't understand why it matters. 463 00:23:12,867 --> 00:23:15,000 Like, why is she so upset? 464 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,767 I think that Robyn really, when it came down to it, like, 465 00:23:19,767 --> 00:23:22,767 she really wanted to have a... 466 00:23:22,767 --> 00:23:24,100 she wanted sister wives. 467 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:26,166 She wanted to have a good relationship with sister wives. 468 00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:27,734 She wanted a plural family. 469 00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:31,467 I understand that. 470 00:23:31,467 --> 00:23:34,300 -And, you know, with Christine leaving... -Mmm-hmm. 471 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,800 ...she doesn't have much of a relationship with Janelle. 472 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,100 She and I have been okay. 473 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,700 Yeah, but you've been trying to build a relationship, 474 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:43,100 and every time you try, like, 475 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:45,000 you're constantly disappointed. 476 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,800 -I know. -'Cause every time I talk to you, you're like, 477 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,000 "Well, we were gonna do this and then we didn't." 478 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,967 -Yeah. -I don't understand like why she's upset then. 479 00:23:52,967 --> 00:23:54,467 -I just don't. I really don't. -I think-- 480 00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:56,266 I think she still wanted it. 481 00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:59,867 -Yeah. -I think she still was hopeful that it-- 482 00:23:59,867 --> 00:24:02,767 I mean, otherwise, why would she keep saying to me, 483 00:24:02,767 --> 00:24:04,000 "Hey. Hold on. Hold on"? 484 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,166 'Cause I think she still wanted it, 485 00:24:06,166 --> 00:24:07,667 like, ultimately. 486 00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:09,066 I think she was still hopeful. 487 00:24:09,066 --> 00:24:11,066 But that's kind of selfish 488 00:24:11,066 --> 00:24:13,500 because, even though she wanted it, 489 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,066 there was nothing for you. 490 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:18,000 Yeah. Well, and Kody didn't want it. 491 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000 -Exactly. So I'm really struggling with that. -You know? So. 492 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,900 I mean, yeah, she's entitled to her feelings, 493 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:26,100 but I just struggle with, like, she's upset... 494 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,767 Right. 495 00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,033 ...that you're doing something good for you. 496 00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:33,767 -I don't know. -I would assume 497 00:24:33,767 --> 00:24:36,000 that she has a lot of mixed emotions 498 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,867 surrounding it. I would think, 499 00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:40,533 honestly, I think that she... 500 00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:43,100 wants me to be happy 501 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:46,867 and also wants that to include her 502 00:24:46,867 --> 00:24:48,300 and the family. 503 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:50,667 I have no doubt that she's... 504 00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:52,700 got a lot of mixed feelings about it. 505 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,367 Yeah, okay. Hmm. 506 00:24:55,367 --> 00:24:58,200 [Robyn] Despite the fact that I just feel like 507 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,433 my world is crumbling down, 508 00:25:01,467 --> 00:25:05,767 I can't fight it 509 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,967 'cause it's not fair to Meri. 510 00:25:08,967 --> 00:25:09,834 [laughs] 511 00:25:10,367 --> 00:25:12,166 Finally she gets that. 512 00:25:12,166 --> 00:25:14,700 It is not fair to Meri what she's lived 513 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,000 over the past however many years. 514 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,667 It is not fair to Meri. 515 00:25:19,667 --> 00:25:22,000 Thank God she's not gonna try and cling on to her 516 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,967 and be like, "Please stay, please stay, please stay," 517 00:25:23,967 --> 00:25:25,667 because it is not fair. 518 00:25:25,667 --> 00:25:28,567 I'm not gonna apologize for what I know in my heart 519 00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:30,667 is what I need to do. 520 00:25:30,667 --> 00:25:33,100 If it's gonna hurt Robyn's feelings, 521 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,266 if Kody's gonna be jumping for joy, 522 00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:40,767 whatever the emotion that somebody else has about it 523 00:25:40,767 --> 00:25:42,367 is irrelevant. 524 00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:45,667 Do you even wanna look at the lot, Meri? 525 00:25:45,667 --> 00:25:47,266 Or is it just off your radar? 526 00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:48,767 It's not off my radar. 527 00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:54,367 Did that just happen? 528 00:25:54,367 --> 00:25:57,100 Meri's sitting here talking about how she's going to move now. 529 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,200 I'm pretty sure she's saying, 530 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 "I'm not going to live here anymore. 531 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,500 I'm moving." And he's like, "What about the lot? 532 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,634 Didn't you wanna look at the lot?" 533 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,266 It's not off my radar at all. 534 00:26:09,266 --> 00:26:11,166 It's just so different. 535 00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:13,200 What-- How do you mean? 536 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,200 Like, just so that I understand. 537 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,367 Things that you've said to me and about me this year. 538 00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:22,000 It-- it... 539 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,667 -It changes things. -Meri, you're making it about what I said. 540 00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:29,400 Why can't we get on the page where we're making it about where we are, 541 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,967 instead about what I say? 542 00:26:30,967 --> 00:26:32,000 I'm sorry. 543 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,033 So what he said doesn't matter. 544 00:26:36,867 --> 00:26:38,467 What he said was... 545 00:26:38,867 --> 00:26:40,133 where they are. 546 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,767 He said, "I am not-- 547 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:45,233 I don't consider myself married to you anymore." 548 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,266 And... 549 00:26:47,266 --> 00:26:49,533 she would love to still be married to him. 550 00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:54,266 So where they are is where he said. 551 00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:55,400 Like, he would always say to her, like, 552 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,867 "Meri, there's not gonna be any hope." 553 00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:59,767 And he would tell me that he had told her that. 554 00:26:59,767 --> 00:27:02,100 But then he's like, "Let's go look at the property." 555 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:05,000 Or like-- I mean, he's doing this weird mixed-messaging. 556 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,266 And I don't if it's 'cause he thinks Robyn 557 00:27:07,266 --> 00:27:09,166 is really wanting to hold the family together, 558 00:27:09,166 --> 00:27:10,867 so he has to till this line, 559 00:27:10,867 --> 00:27:13,800 or if it's that... I don't know. It's so weird. 560 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,200 If you listen closely to how he talks to her-- 561 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,767 well, how he talks to any of us, really, except for Robyn, 562 00:27:19,767 --> 00:27:22,166 it's always this really weird-- 563 00:27:22,166 --> 00:27:24,100 it's like he tries out the different angles 564 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,900 to see what gets the most real estate, 565 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,367 the most purchase for him. 566 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:29,433 This is why... 567 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:33,266 for ten years, essentially, 568 00:27:33,266 --> 00:27:35,967 you weren't sure if you still had a marriage, 569 00:27:35,967 --> 00:27:38,300 because of comments like that. 570 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,500 [Meri] No. I feel like Kody and I are in a good place. 571 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,100 He was over the other day. We had a good conversation. 572 00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:47,634 But I feel like he's not as in a good of a place. 573 00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:51,667 Meri has struggled ever since she got catfished 574 00:27:51,667 --> 00:27:55,100 because she was a victim of the catfishing. 575 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,867 She's not being accountable in her own way 576 00:27:57,867 --> 00:28:00,400 for the problems or the discussion in that marriage, 577 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,166 the discussions that we've had. 578 00:28:03,967 --> 00:28:06,367 And I don't know if it's me or if it's something else going on. 579 00:28:06,367 --> 00:28:07,667 It's blame. 580 00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:09,567 I'm not meaning to blame you, Kody. 581 00:28:09,567 --> 00:28:11,066 Then, just don't. 582 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,967 I never blamed him. 583 00:28:14,967 --> 00:28:17,500 What did I say in this conversation that I blamed? 584 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,867 It's so wild to me the way Kody changes the script 585 00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:22,767 or flips the script on Meri. 586 00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:26,467 I was glad when she spoke up about that "Oh, I understand." 587 00:28:26,467 --> 00:28:27,867 Yeah, she understood. 588 00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:29,400 And here he's like, 589 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,767 "Well, you're blaming me." And she's not saying that. 590 00:28:31,767 --> 00:28:33,867 Is this a cat and mouse game? 591 00:28:33,867 --> 00:28:35,200 Is this... 592 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,266 he wants her to say, "Our marriage is over"? 593 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:41,400 She's not gonna say that. She's never gonna say that. 594 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,567 He said the marriage was over. 595 00:28:43,567 --> 00:28:46,000 He needs to say the marriage is over. 596 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,266 I said, "The marriage is over." 597 00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:48,767 I was fine with doing that. 598 00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:50,867 But she's not. She's not that person. 599 00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:53,967 Kody, I loved the conversation when you stopped by my house 600 00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:56,467 the other day and we talked for like an hour. 601 00:28:56,467 --> 00:28:58,767 -[Kody] Okay, so-- -Like, it was a good conversation. 602 00:28:58,767 --> 00:29:00,367 Thank you. And that's-- 603 00:29:00,367 --> 00:29:02,166 -That's all I want it to be, Meri. -[Robyn] So that's-- 604 00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,467 -It was just safe and easy. -So then, stay on that vein... 605 00:29:04,467 --> 00:29:09,667 -Okay, well, I wanna be. -...and not lump people into those things. 606 00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:11,367 I didn't feel like I was lumping. 607 00:29:11,367 --> 00:29:12,967 What did I say that made you feel like 608 00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:14,300 -I was blaming you? -That was really cool to hear though. 609 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,166 Just the-- you brought up things I've said 610 00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:18,567 and things that I've done. 611 00:29:18,567 --> 00:29:19,867 -Right. -She's saying-- 612 00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:21,200 [Kody] That feels like blame. 613 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,967 -She's saying the things that you've said and done-- -I said-- Let me-- 614 00:29:23,967 --> 00:29:26,567 -Can I-- Can I? -Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. 615 00:29:26,567 --> 00:29:27,767 I was trying to help. I'll shut up. 616 00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:29,033 [laughs] I understand... 617 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,166 Okay, first of all, 618 00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:34,567 I'm so glad that you had her stop talking over you 619 00:29:34,567 --> 00:29:37,567 and trying to like, what, Robyn-splain? 620 00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:39,266 -[laughs] -Meri-splain? 621 00:29:39,266 --> 00:29:41,000 I don't know what was happening there. 622 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,667 I am defensive a little bit because of what's gone on with Janelle 623 00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:45,967 and with Christine 624 00:29:45,967 --> 00:29:47,166 and with the kids. 625 00:29:48,567 --> 00:29:49,900 I'm more defensive, actually, 626 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,266 just because of my relationship with Meri... 627 00:29:54,266 --> 00:29:56,734 'cause I've been managing it carefully. 628 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,233 Very carefully for seven years. 629 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,567 [laughs] 630 00:30:01,567 --> 00:30:03,500 Does he mean hiding it for seven years? 631 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,166 -Or ignoring it for seven years? -Yeah. 632 00:30:05,166 --> 00:30:06,967 Is that how he's managing it? 633 00:30:06,967 --> 00:30:08,166 He hasn't been "managing" it. 634 00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,600 He's been ignoring her for seven years. 635 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,300 Quit the bull [bleep]. 636 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,600 I'm trying to be as honest as I possibly can 637 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,767 without being... 638 00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:18,767 a jackass. 639 00:30:18,767 --> 00:30:21,634 Thank you for not being a jackass. 640 00:30:22,266 --> 00:30:23,300 I appreciate that. 641 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,100 Well, Robyn, how do you feel right now? 642 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,100 It's vile to me she's so amiable. 643 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:29,567 I'm like, "Oh, man." 644 00:30:29,567 --> 00:30:30,767 If I was Meri, I would have said, 645 00:30:30,767 --> 00:30:32,667 "Well, I'm trying to be as honest as I can 646 00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:34,266 without being a jackass, 647 00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:36,567 'cause, I'm sorry, we could both be jackasses here." 648 00:30:36,567 --> 00:30:38,100 He's not the only one. 649 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,700 It's vile to me. 650 00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:44,233 You want something that we can't have together. 651 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,634 And we can always have something else. 652 00:30:53,166 --> 00:30:54,433 But not that. 653 00:30:55,967 --> 00:30:57,266 So, "stick around and stay married, 654 00:30:57,266 --> 00:30:59,133 but, you know, I can't give you a relationship." 655 00:30:59,767 --> 00:31:01,066 It's ridiculous. 656 00:31:01,066 --> 00:31:02,433 [sniffles] 657 00:31:03,166 --> 00:31:04,133 [crying] 658 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,033 Oh, my God. 659 00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:12,834 I'm sorry. Can you pause it? 660 00:31:13,266 --> 00:31:14,667 I'm sorry! 661 00:31:14,667 --> 00:31:15,767 -I'm sorry. -Stop! 662 00:31:15,767 --> 00:31:17,467 I'm not laughing because she's crying. 663 00:31:17,467 --> 00:31:18,767 That's not why I'm laughing. 664 00:31:18,767 --> 00:31:21,667 I'm-- I'm-- I'm-- I'm like-- I'm in shock-- 665 00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:23,867 I'm still-- I'm struggling with this. 666 00:31:23,867 --> 00:31:25,266 I'm sorry. 667 00:31:25,266 --> 00:31:27,467 I'm sorry. I just wanna be supportive of you two, 668 00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:29,266 but I just need to move away. 669 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,066 [crying] 670 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,133 -I'll just go for a walk. -[mouthing] What the hell? 671 00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:38,233 I can see where they're goin' with this. 672 00:31:38,967 --> 00:31:40,834 And they're both really calm. 673 00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,000 And that's scaring me. 674 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,934 And I just don't know how I'm supposed to sit here... 675 00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:49,367 and watch them decide. 676 00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:51,166 Why doesn't she just get in the car and leave, then? 677 00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:52,467 [Robyn on TV] If this is what they're gonna do, 678 00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:55,533 I just-- I don't know if I can sit here with them. 679 00:31:56,567 --> 00:31:57,934 [sobbing] 680 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:05,266 [sobbing continues] 681 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:16,166 It was performance. It was doing what I was supposed to. 682 00:32:16,166 --> 00:32:18,600 -[Meri laughing] -I'm sorry to call it an act. 683 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,500 Nobody wants to be that. 684 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,100 I think sometimes he has no clue whatsoever 685 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,266 of the hole that he constantly digs for himself. 686 00:32:29,266 --> 00:32:31,367 Now, because he's found a different kind of love 687 00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:32,867 with Robyn, he's like, 688 00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:36,367 "Well, that was just pretend." He's just full of [bleep]. 689 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,700 All right, it's time for us to answer some questions 690 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:44,500 and read some posts. 691 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,533 [reading post] 692 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,333 Oh, meaning Kody's hair. 693 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,266 He just struggles. 694 00:32:52,266 --> 00:32:54,100 I get sick and tired of how obsessed about his hair he was. 695 00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:55,767 I always felt like it was the fifth wife. 696 00:32:56,166 --> 00:33:00,266 [Janelle reading post] 697 00:33:00,266 --> 00:33:01,600 I really don't think so. 698 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,500 I think he has found some sort of soulmate relationship with Robyn, 699 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:08,100 a late-in-life marriage or mature love 700 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,600 after you've both been through the ringer. 701 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,667 I don't know what it is, but, nah. 702 00:33:11,667 --> 00:33:13,634 He'll be a monogamist from now on. 703 00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,667 [Christine reading post] 704 00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:17,934 No. Don't sign me up for that. 705 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,700 Queen maybe. 706 00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:22,100 I-- You know what? 707 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,734 I'd rather Queen. Thank you. 708 00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:27,100 I sit here feeling like it's ridiculous 709 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,467 to stay in a duty-bound marriage. 710 00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,033 -All kinds of other things-- -I don't think it's fair to either of us. 711 00:33:35,166 --> 00:33:38,200 And the thing is we had already decided. 712 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,100 We had decided at the conversation that we had had prior. 713 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:46,166 I also knew it was an important conversation to have documented, 714 00:33:46,166 --> 00:33:48,467 which is something that he kind of fought. 715 00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:51,667 So, I was very open to... 716 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,567 guiding this conversation to actually start 717 00:33:55,567 --> 00:34:00,567 because I felt like it deserved accountability. 718 00:34:00,567 --> 00:34:02,266 Good for you. 719 00:34:02,266 --> 00:34:05,200 [Kody] There's so many ways this moment is just about 720 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,166 what we each want. 721 00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:08,967 And those aren't the same things. 722 00:34:09,667 --> 00:34:12,533 The hardest thing is accepting... 723 00:34:13,567 --> 00:34:18,667 that it's not going to go back to a place that works 724 00:34:18,667 --> 00:34:20,367 for what you're looking for. 725 00:34:22,066 --> 00:34:25,867 I don't like that he's putting all this on me 726 00:34:25,867 --> 00:34:31,200 and he's also not owning that he just doesn't have the interest. 727 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,066 He said it to me in private. 728 00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:35,934 But he's still not saying it here. 729 00:34:38,166 --> 00:34:40,567 It doesn't mean I'm not mad at you for... 730 00:34:46,767 --> 00:34:49,333 not giving me what we promised each other. 731 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Honestly, Kody ended it years ago 732 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,567 when he had no interest in keeping up a marriage-- 733 00:34:59,567 --> 00:35:01,767 you know, having a marriage with Meri. 734 00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:04,467 He was just dragging her for years and years and years. 735 00:35:04,467 --> 00:35:06,367 And he ended it years ago. 736 00:35:06,367 --> 00:35:08,900 She would have kept the marriage going. 737 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,700 She would have loved to stay married to him. 738 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,166 But he's the one who really ended it. 739 00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:16,700 It wasn't the catfishing thing. I wasn't whatever. 740 00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,266 He's been the one who's said over and over, 741 00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:21,767 "We're just going to get to know each other," 742 00:35:21,767 --> 00:35:23,700 and then not talk to her for a year. 743 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:24,767 Go out once a year. 744 00:35:24,767 --> 00:35:26,667 That does not... 745 00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:28,333 This-- No. 746 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,100 No. 747 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:35,266 I walked away because I just couldn't handle the conversation 748 00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:37,533 and the direction it was going. 749 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,200 Why is she back? She's back? 750 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,367 -[Robyn on TV] I came to stop them from finalizing... -What is she doing? 751 00:35:44,367 --> 00:35:45,667 -[show pauses] -What is she doing back? 752 00:35:45,667 --> 00:35:46,800 Why didn't she just leave? 753 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,066 If this is not about her, why is she-- 754 00:35:49,066 --> 00:35:49,967 I don't know. 755 00:35:49,967 --> 00:35:51,467 Okay. Whatever. 756 00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:53,066 [crying] And maybe if I'm there, 757 00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:55,166 then I can sort of say, 758 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:58,166 "Well, let's not make any decisions today." 759 00:35:58,166 --> 00:35:59,900 Yeah, don't make a decision today, 760 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,367 because for the last seven years, 761 00:36:01,367 --> 00:36:02,867 things have been peachy keen. 762 00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:05,867 I'm sorry. This is, again, it's selfish. 763 00:36:05,867 --> 00:36:09,600 It's not fair to not let this come to an end. 764 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,367 It's not fair. Why would you want to interfere? 765 00:36:12,367 --> 00:36:15,567 I think by trying to stop it and giving support 766 00:36:15,567 --> 00:36:17,500 and cheering on for all these years, 767 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,266 we have created a situation that really went on 768 00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:22,467 longer than it should have. 769 00:36:22,467 --> 00:36:23,634 That's just my opinion. 770 00:36:24,166 --> 00:36:25,567 [Robyn] Sorry I left. 771 00:36:26,266 --> 00:36:28,433 You don't have to be sorry you left. 772 00:36:29,367 --> 00:36:30,533 [Robyn] It's... 773 00:36:31,166 --> 00:36:32,266 really painful. 774 00:36:32,266 --> 00:36:33,266 I know. 775 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,467 It's painful on Robyn? 776 00:36:35,467 --> 00:36:37,333 This is all painful on Robyn? 777 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,734 What about being painful on Meri? 778 00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:42,967 And I wanna be supportive, so. 779 00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:48,567 I don't know. I feel like we just had a breakup conversation. 780 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:51,166 [Kody on TV] I'm glad we've gone this long 781 00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:54,467 so we can be friends in the departure. 782 00:36:55,767 --> 00:36:57,667 -I-- -[show pauses] 783 00:36:57,667 --> 00:36:59,500 Were you trying to like lighten the-- 784 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:00,600 -Like, what-- -No. 785 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,166 What were your feelings in this spot? 786 00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:03,367 Because I thought, at one point, 787 00:37:03,367 --> 00:37:05,066 you guys were making freaking bracelets out of weeds. 788 00:37:05,066 --> 00:37:06,400 You're both like looking-- 789 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,734 I didn't even know what's going on. 790 00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:11,367 "We just had a breakup conversation." 791 00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:13,400 We're not looking at each other. 792 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,266 We're not calling each other "jackass." 793 00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:19,200 -That was like the calmest. -But we are having a breakup conversation. 794 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,567 I'm glad we've gone this long 795 00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:23,934 so that we can be friends in the departure. 796 00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,667 -I don't know-- -[Robyn] Are you even accepting that? 797 00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:35,100 [laughing] 798 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,867 What else am I supposed to do with it, Robyn? 799 00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:41,100 You've been doing a certain thing for a long time. 800 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,567 -I know I have. -Okay. 801 00:37:43,567 --> 00:37:46,700 [Meri on TV] I'm not gonna force somebody to be with me 802 00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,166 who doesn't wanna be with me. 803 00:37:48,166 --> 00:37:51,000 I'm not gonna make somebody 804 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,700 act how they don't want to act. 805 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,133 Yeah, I get that. 806 00:37:55,767 --> 00:37:57,667 -I do, but-- -And that's not fair. 807 00:37:57,667 --> 00:37:59,433 -And it's-- -[Kody] Oh, the act is easy. 808 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:04,767 [gasps] 809 00:38:04,767 --> 00:38:06,166 [Kody on TV] The act is easy. 810 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,367 -It's-- -Wait, wait, wait. 811 00:38:11,367 --> 00:38:12,500 There's more. 812 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,333 I'm sorry. "The act is easy." 813 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,100 -Okay, wait, wait. There's more. -Fine, there's more. Great. 814 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,400 The act is obvious. 815 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,800 -Is it really that obvious? -"The act is easy"? 816 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,100 -Yes. -What's the act? 817 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,100 What are you saying? 818 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,000 Just performing my duty. 819 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,367 But, look, I was there. 820 00:38:31,367 --> 00:38:33,166 He was involved in the relationships. 821 00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:35,166 He wasn't just doing duty. 822 00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:36,467 He wasn't being-- 823 00:38:36,467 --> 00:38:38,200 You know, he wasn't changing diapers 824 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,867 and doing all of those things because it was his duty. 825 00:38:40,867 --> 00:38:42,133 He was engaged with the family. 826 00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:45,567 But, now, because he's found a different kind of love with Robyn, 827 00:38:45,567 --> 00:38:48,100 he's like, "Well, that was just pretend before. 828 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,800 I was just faking it. I was just doing my duty." 829 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,000 He's just full of [bleep]. 830 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,800 You've got love letters and all these things. 831 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,767 -And like he... he used to be a different person. -Yup. 832 00:38:58,767 --> 00:39:02,600 Yeah, he was. You can-- you can see that in some of the-- the clips, 833 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,467 you know, the old pictures that have been seen in this earlier. 834 00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:06,767 -Yeah. -It's crazy. 835 00:39:07,567 --> 00:39:09,667 And it wasn't an act. It was performance. 836 00:39:09,667 --> 00:39:12,700 It was performance. It was doing what I was supposed to. 837 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,166 -[laughing] -I'm sorry to call it an act. 838 00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:18,066 Nobody wants to be that. 839 00:39:18,066 --> 00:39:21,600 I think sometimes he has no clue whatsoever 840 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,266 of the hole that he constantly digs for himself. 841 00:39:26,266 --> 00:39:28,600 He needs to stop talking. 842 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,100 Yeah, I wonder if he realizes that there was some of us 843 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,700 who were doing the same thing. 844 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:36,667 He's not the only one who had to sort of honor his commitments 845 00:39:36,667 --> 00:39:37,700 and just be there 846 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:40,266 because it was what you needed to do. 847 00:39:40,266 --> 00:39:43,467 He acts like he's some put-upon person 848 00:39:43,467 --> 00:39:44,967 who made some sort of sacrifice. 849 00:39:44,967 --> 00:39:46,100 I'm sorry, buddy. 850 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,367 That's what happens in a marriage. 851 00:39:47,367 --> 00:39:49,266 When your relationships are bad, 852 00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:51,367 that's kind of how everybody feels. 853 00:39:51,367 --> 00:39:53,533 [Robyn] That's one of the reasons why I fell in love with him... 854 00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:59,233 is because he loved Meri and he loved his wives. 855 00:40:00,467 --> 00:40:02,967 As a monogamist, gotta tell you, 856 00:40:02,967 --> 00:40:05,066 it's weird that someone would fall in love with somebody 857 00:40:05,066 --> 00:40:07,467 because they love their wives. 858 00:40:07,467 --> 00:40:09,967 So like hearing her say that as an outsider 859 00:40:09,967 --> 00:40:12,467 -is just really weird. Sorry. -I can see that. 860 00:40:12,467 --> 00:40:13,667 That makes sense. 861 00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:16,367 [Robyn] I know he's bitter now, I know he's struggling, 862 00:40:16,367 --> 00:40:18,467 so he's going into these weird dark places. 863 00:40:18,467 --> 00:40:21,433 But it just... [exclaims] 864 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,266 So tired of him... 865 00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:28,033 [sighs] ...talking like this. 866 00:40:29,967 --> 00:40:32,166 Was it okay that I was disputing you 867 00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:34,900 and saying, "That's not true, what he's saying"? 868 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:36,166 -Well, I-- -It wasn't an act, 869 00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:38,467 'cause I saw you, like-- 870 00:40:38,467 --> 00:40:40,100 I know. I went on our honeymoon, 871 00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,467 telling you everything Meri loved and what she liked, 872 00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:45,266 because I was testing myself, Robyn. 873 00:40:45,266 --> 00:40:47,166 There's something wrong there. 874 00:40:47,166 --> 00:40:49,166 There was something wrong a long time ago. 875 00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:50,567 And you thought it was... 876 00:40:50,567 --> 00:40:53,100 You thought it was that I was so attuned 877 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,166 and attentive to my wives. 878 00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:58,867 And the fact of the matter was is-- is that I was... 879 00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:03,934 reacting to a bad emotional state. 880 00:41:06,867 --> 00:41:08,533 And I thought it was love. 881 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,467 See? 882 00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:14,066 See? There's the truth. 883 00:41:14,066 --> 00:41:15,567 So I'm just as guilty. 884 00:41:15,567 --> 00:41:16,567 Of? 885 00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:17,967 Thinking that I was in love 886 00:41:17,967 --> 00:41:20,200 and trying to work all that mess out. 887 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,467 Okay. So when you say that was just a performance and it was just an act... 888 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,000 I was trying to do what the right thing was, Robyn. 889 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,767 But you thought it was love. 890 00:41:27,767 --> 00:41:29,367 -Felt love. -And I thought it was the right thing. 891 00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:31,867 Right. But you felt and thought it was love. 892 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,233 -Yeah. -Okay. 893 00:41:38,467 --> 00:41:41,467 I'm willing to fake being in love with Meri, 894 00:41:41,467 --> 00:41:43,200 doing my duties as a husband, 895 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,367 sort of putting up with things that frustrate me so deeply 896 00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:50,533 that, uh... I struggle to be around her. 897 00:41:50,767 --> 00:41:51,934 I... 898 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,467 If I need to for the sake of... 899 00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:01,367 [scoffs] ...whatever... 900 00:42:01,367 --> 00:42:04,233 [Kody on TV] ...I don't know, I just fake through this. 901 00:42:05,867 --> 00:42:07,166 [sighs] 902 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,967 I really don't believe he's in a good place. 903 00:42:10,967 --> 00:42:12,100 Like, I really don't. 904 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:16,400 And so to have the world of social media bashing him-- 905 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,867 yeah, and you're gonna bash me for backing him up here, 906 00:42:18,867 --> 00:42:20,667 and that's fine, whatever, 907 00:42:20,667 --> 00:42:22,567 -like, I'm-- -It's hard not to-- 908 00:42:22,567 --> 00:42:24,600 I'm backing up somebody who's really hurting, 909 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,300 somebody who is in pain. 910 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,767 He needs to just encapsulate this 911 00:42:29,767 --> 00:42:31,100 and make him realize 912 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,266 that everything that he's saying here 913 00:42:33,266 --> 00:42:36,266 is why he doesn't have a good relationship 914 00:42:36,266 --> 00:42:37,734 with all of his children, 915 00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:39,600 why I've left, 916 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,767 why Janelle's leaving. 917 00:42:41,767 --> 00:42:44,600 We're all leaving 'cause we've been a "duty," 918 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,767 he's been "acting" and "performing." 919 00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:51,767 He is the reason his relationship with Meri is over. 920 00:42:51,767 --> 00:42:53,767 He wants it to be over. 921 00:42:53,767 --> 00:42:55,000 He's not saying it. 922 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,700 Man up. Man the [bleep] up. 923 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,300 I'm so over this. 924 00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,333 I know that you don't feel... 925 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,834 or consider yourself married to me. 926 00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:18,100 This is the agreement you required of me 927 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,233 in order to get married. 928 00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:25,734 This agreement that I gave you, 929 00:43:26,367 --> 00:43:28,734 our sacred covenant... 930 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,200 was if I'm ever not in love with you, 931 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,100 I won't just sit there 932 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,367 and be in a pathetic place with you. 933 00:43:38,367 --> 00:43:40,166 That's a really weird thing to promise 934 00:43:40,166 --> 00:43:41,567 when you go into a relationship. 935 00:43:41,567 --> 00:43:42,967 That's really weird. 936 00:43:42,967 --> 00:43:44,567 I don't think he's tellin' the whole thing. 937 00:43:44,567 --> 00:43:46,166 I mean, maybe he is. 938 00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,367 Maybe their relationship is that superficial. 939 00:43:48,367 --> 00:43:51,000 Because, I'm sorry, you fall in and out of love 940 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,467 many times in a relationship. 941 00:43:52,467 --> 00:43:54,967 Like, I feel like something else had to have happened. 942 00:43:54,967 --> 00:43:57,266 Like, was he already complaining to her, 943 00:43:57,266 --> 00:44:00,900 premarriage, about his relationship with like you 944 00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:02,367 or Janelle or Christine? 945 00:44:02,367 --> 00:44:03,700 And that was like-- And Chris-- 946 00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,500 And Robyn's like, "Well, if this happens with us, 947 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,400 -like, promise me you won't just"-- -Oh, my gosh. 948 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,233 -Are you serious? I never-- -Maybe I'm overthinking. 949 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,166 But that doesn't mean the marriage is over. 950 00:44:21,166 --> 00:44:23,367 So, I understand what he's saying 951 00:44:23,367 --> 00:44:25,800 and I'm glad that he's saying it finally to me. 952 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,767 You don't-- you wanna be done with me? 953 00:44:27,767 --> 00:44:29,634 You tell me that you're done with me. 954 00:44:30,266 --> 00:44:33,066 And, at the same time, 955 00:44:33,066 --> 00:44:36,233 it kind of bothers me that he's telling Robyn... 956 00:44:37,767 --> 00:44:40,100 "I made this agreement with you. 957 00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:42,533 And so now I'm gonna put it on Meri, too." 958 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,433 [Robyn crying] 959 00:44:53,266 --> 00:44:55,367 [sighs] This isn't what I want. 960 00:44:55,367 --> 00:44:57,233 [Meri] It's not what I want either, Robyn. 961 00:44:58,667 --> 00:45:00,400 It's not what I want. 962 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,433 [Kody] It's not what I wanted either. 963 00:45:06,567 --> 00:45:08,867 [pretend vomiting] 964 00:45:08,867 --> 00:45:09,867 Really? Really? 965 00:45:09,867 --> 00:45:11,100 [continues pretend vomiting] 966 00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,033 Okay, I'm fine. 967 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,166 It is what he wants. He ends-- 968 00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:18,533 Oh, God. Okay, just keep going please. 969 00:45:21,166 --> 00:45:23,100 Whoo! 970 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:24,667 [all cheering] 971 00:45:24,667 --> 00:45:25,767 -I think-- -No. 972 00:45:25,767 --> 00:45:29,667 I think the world could have seen less of that. 973 00:45:29,667 --> 00:45:30,700 That's so Kody. 974 00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,467 I don't understand what she doesn't understand. 975 00:45:33,467 --> 00:45:36,100 When you monopolize a man in plural marriage, 976 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,867 that's a breakup waiting to happen. 977 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,734 Oh, this is just torture. 978 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:57,934 This appears to be the end of our plural marriage. 979 00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:06,667 I hate, legit, how many people hug 980 00:46:06,667 --> 00:46:09,767 at the end of their breakup conversation. 981 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,567 A high five would have been more appropriate. 982 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,233 This is probably the most action 983 00:46:15,233 --> 00:46:16,934 she's gotten from him in years. 984 00:46:20,266 --> 00:46:21,367 [Kody] This is goodbye. 985 00:46:21,367 --> 00:46:27,734 And we've agreed now, and I hope she finds peace. 986 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,333 'Cause I will. 987 00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:38,667 'Cause I already have peace. So I hope Meri finds it. 988 00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:40,233 God, what an ass. 989 00:46:41,734 --> 00:46:44,033 [Robyn] I always wanted to live plural marriage. 990 00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,100 I will just... 991 00:46:47,867 --> 00:46:50,033 continue to spend time on my knees, 992 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,066 looking for peace and answers. 993 00:46:54,066 --> 00:46:57,467 [crying] I'm looking at that mountain 994 00:46:57,467 --> 00:47:00,533 and I'm thinking about when we came here. 995 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,667 [all cheering] 996 00:47:03,567 --> 00:47:05,166 Oh, my God! 997 00:47:05,166 --> 00:47:07,934 [all cheering] 998 00:47:07,934 --> 00:47:09,133 [all laughing] 999 00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:10,500 [Kody on TV] Whoo! 1000 00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,567 Whoo! 1001 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,834 Whoo! 1002 00:47:17,266 --> 00:47:18,300 -I think-- -No. 1003 00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,300 I think the world could have seen less of that. 1004 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:23,567 That's so Kody. 1005 00:47:24,367 --> 00:47:26,867 And we chose, all of us chose. 1006 00:47:26,867 --> 00:47:29,467 We were so in love with this property 1007 00:47:29,467 --> 00:47:31,433 and being together out here. 1008 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,834 I wanted to sit on a porch with my sister wives 1009 00:47:41,934 --> 00:47:44,567 here on this property... 1010 00:47:44,567 --> 00:47:48,867 [sobbing] ...with our kids and our grandkids. 1011 00:47:48,867 --> 00:47:50,467 I think Kody should have been able to lock up 1012 00:47:50,467 --> 00:47:52,567 to what it was required in being a plural husband. 1013 00:47:52,567 --> 00:47:54,033 I'm just gonna say that. 1014 00:47:54,033 --> 00:47:55,467 And-- 1015 00:47:55,467 --> 00:47:58,100 and Kody running around like he does 1016 00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,567 and just look at that mountain together 1017 00:48:00,567 --> 00:48:05,567 and having a family. I don't understand. 1018 00:48:05,567 --> 00:48:08,333 [crying] I don't understand. 1019 00:48:08,834 --> 00:48:09,934 [sobbing] 1020 00:48:11,367 --> 00:48:14,133 I don't understand what she doesn't understand. 1021 00:48:14,133 --> 00:48:17,367 When you monopolize a man in plural marriage, 1022 00:48:17,367 --> 00:48:20,600 and you make him believe that he's... 1023 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,667 the most awesome, incredible, wonderful man 1024 00:48:22,667 --> 00:48:24,967 so he never wants to leave your house, 1025 00:48:24,967 --> 00:48:28,867 um, and we've got a guy who has a favorite, 1026 00:48:28,867 --> 00:48:30,900 who never leaves your house, 1027 00:48:31,467 --> 00:48:33,367 that's not a plural family. 1028 00:48:33,367 --> 00:48:35,367 That's a breakup waiting to happen. 1029 00:48:35,367 --> 00:48:39,000 Sorry. The responsibility of this is really on Kody's shoulders, 1030 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,100 not Robyn's. 1031 00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,867 He could have done it if he had chosen to 1032 00:48:42,867 --> 00:48:44,867 honor his commitments and his covenants 1033 00:48:44,867 --> 00:48:48,166 and grow and had been able to be a husband to all, 1034 00:48:48,166 --> 00:48:49,667 equally, fairly, 1035 00:48:49,667 --> 00:48:51,967 not show favoritism, not having a favorite wife, 1036 00:48:51,967 --> 00:48:53,300 not having somebody who's loyal 1037 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,767 so therefore he's, you know, whatever, 1038 00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:58,133 a guy-- "I'm loyal to her," 1039 00:48:58,133 --> 00:48:59,367 and it just... 1040 00:48:59,367 --> 00:49:00,200 yeah. 1041 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,667 And that's how this season goes out. 1042 00:49:17,133 --> 00:49:19,033 I do feel bad. Like... 1043 00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:23,467 -like, she's so upset. And you think, like... -Yeah. 1044 00:49:23,467 --> 00:49:27,166 ...all of you, like the excitement when you guys got the property, 1045 00:49:27,166 --> 00:49:29,600 like, I was so excited for you because it was 1046 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,233 -"Here's to a new beginning." -Yup. 1047 00:49:31,233 --> 00:49:33,166 -That was part of it. -'Cause that's what he said. 1048 00:49:33,166 --> 00:49:35,066 Exactly, and I will always go back to that 1049 00:49:35,066 --> 00:49:37,166 because it was such a thing. 1050 00:49:37,166 --> 00:49:39,133 And, like, I was like, "Okay, she's gonna have-- 1051 00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:41,867 you guys, she's gonna have like a new chance. 1052 00:49:41,867 --> 00:49:43,500 He's going to change. 1053 00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:45,000 He made that promise. 1054 00:49:45,767 --> 00:49:47,367 And... 1055 00:49:47,367 --> 00:49:49,667 now, like, Meri doesn't get that, 1056 00:49:49,667 --> 00:49:51,300 Christine doesn't have that, 1057 00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:52,467 Janelle doesn't have that, 1058 00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:53,934 Robyn doesn't have that. 1059 00:49:53,934 --> 00:49:55,934 -And I think like the only person... -Yup. 1060 00:49:55,934 --> 00:49:57,967 who's okay with that right now 1061 00:49:57,967 --> 00:49:59,166 is Kody. 1062 00:49:59,166 --> 00:50:00,934 Yeah, I think so too. 1063 00:50:01,266 --> 00:50:04,400 [reading post] 1064 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,000 -Amen. -I agree. 1065 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,100 My blood pressure is way high. 1066 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,066 I don't feel well. I'm sick to my stomach. 1067 00:50:11,066 --> 00:50:12,500 That is it. 1068 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,533 Finale of... 1069 00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:17,467 another marriage. 1070 00:50:17,467 --> 00:50:20,734 All right, guys. It was kind of, uh, an interesting experience 1071 00:50:20,734 --> 00:50:22,033 to sit here with you. 1072 00:50:22,767 --> 00:50:24,266 I never wanna do that again. 1073 00:50:24,266 --> 00:50:26,667 -No, that was hard. It's hard to see... -Yucky. 1074 00:50:26,667 --> 00:50:27,767 ...our experiences. 1075 00:50:27,767 --> 00:50:30,033 These are the hardest days of our lives. 1076 00:50:34,266 --> 00:50:36,367 -Oh. -Would you like to answer this question? 1077 00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:37,867 Gabrielle asks... 1078 00:50:37,867 --> 00:50:41,166 [Jenn reading post] 1079 00:50:41,166 --> 00:50:42,867 -Yes, I will... -Yes. 1080 00:50:42,867 --> 00:50:44,667 -...eventually. -Yes. 1081 00:50:44,667 --> 00:50:47,734 At least taller than you, right? 1082 00:50:47,734 --> 00:50:49,600 Oh, yeah. I would like somebody tall. 1083 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,567 We'll just put some little details out there. 1084 00:50:51,567 --> 00:50:53,967 -Okay. Go ahead. -Yeah. Kind eyes. 1085 00:50:53,967 --> 00:50:55,734 Mmm-hmm. What else? 1086 00:50:55,734 --> 00:50:56,867 A pilot.