Hi, everyone. Welcome to the second hour
of Sister Wives Talk Back.
Robyn and I are gonna sit down
and discuss the final episode of this season.
I wasn't nice enough to my sister wives.
Christine and I, both know that that's a code word for you weren't nice to Robyn.
On the contrary, Robyn, it was that Christine wasn't nice to me.
This agreement that I gave you,
our sacred covenant...
[imitates retching]
I'm not sitting here, needing to be told that I have the power to leave.
I've left.
[Meri reading]
Well, I was never Kody's doormat.
-Jeff, you're reading too many tabloids. -Hey--
We didn't want this breakup.
[Christine reading]
No. Don't sign me up for that.
Queen, maybe.
I'm not gonna make somebody act
how they don't want to act.
-Yeah, I get that. -The act is easy.
The act is easy.
[gasps]
Hey, guys. So we're back for another talk back.
'Cause I guess you didn't maybe get enough of it, the first time.
This time, we're gonna watch the finale.
I'm gonna comment.
We'll see. I don't know how this one's gonna go.
This was a big episode, y'all.
And, oh, my gosh, what a crazy year.
Whoo.
Ready?
[Meri] All right. It is October.
There has been a lot of stuff going on.
So, April was mine and Kody's 32nd anniversary.
For the past six months,
I've had to really take a lot of time
to figure out the fact that there really is...
no commitment or covenant.
He's already broken it.
From everything that you know about our covenants,
would you say that, you've somehow broken your covenant?
No. Meri had the affair. I didn't break covenants.
And it wasn't a physical affair.
So I thought we were reconcilable.
[Meri] I really felt like I was emotionally abandoned by him,
many, many years ago.
Well before the catfishing.
I agree with that.
Um, he really pulled back emotionally,
from all of us, but especially from Meri.
Um, that was back in Vegas,
where I felt like I didn't have a good relationship with Kody anymore either.
I think for him, he's probably believed when she said,
"Don't come over anymore."
When we moved to Flagstaff, which is now been...
five years... Over five years.
I told Meri, um,
"Yeah. We might be able to get this. You know, start over again."
And, um, after we did the whole, like, start over again thing,
um, we were spending time together,
and every time I spent time with her...
it wasn't healthy.
[Janelle] It's... It's really no secret that Meri and Kody
have had promise for a very, very, very long time.
Above all, Meri is very loyal.
And she's very much a person of her word.
And she felts like, she gave a commitment.
But I wonder...
at what point, if it's not very healthy for her.
So then about a month ago,
I saw where he actually said,
"No, I don't consider myself married to Meri anymore."
[Kody] I don't really consider myself married to Meri.
If she wanted to move on, and marry another,
she wouldn't get an argument with me.
[Meri] That was pretty insulting and pretty vulgar...
for him to just be open to that.
I don't understand why she keeps this.
I think it's because she addicted to being a victim.
Most of the time, these private conversations,
these individual interviews,
I don't know anything about, until I see them on the show.
So when I saw that, where he said,
"I don't even consider her my wife",
like that's... like that's a big shift.
I think it's disgusting
how Kody has been dragging Meri along for years.
Can you imagine finding out...
their marriage was over on social media like that?
Pretty sure it was like a text.
And I think it's equally as disgusting that Robyn's like,
"Stay with the family. Stay with the family..."
Let that girl go.
Okay, one more thing.
I've got some viewer questions
and comments that I am going to respond to.
[reading]
We obviously felt like it was good for us at the time.
I still feel like that it was.
I feel like, things after that that had happened is what...
you know, obviously kind of created some conflict.
I mean, there was a little bit of a shake up
whenever any wife comes into the family,
no matter what time it is, you know, how many years it's been.
We did also have so many other things that were happening,
around that same time, as far as like, going public, moving to Las Vegas.
And there was, you know, just a big shift in the family
and in our lifestyles.
Look, we all loved Robyn.
We loved her kids.
It's unfortunate the way that it's gone down.
But, it just is. It's just, relationships and people change.
[Janelle] So we've been in Burley, Idaho,
visiting Christine's brothers.
-[man] Good morning. How you guys doing? -Hey, this is beautiful.
Today we decided we were gonna go on a hike
at the City of Rocks National Reserve.
It's a really cool area with a lot of rocks and good hiking.
And we're just gonna go hang out and go for a little hike.
[woman] Janelle, we need a picture here.
[Janelle] I know. Wow!
A couple of years ago, I left Kody.
Janelle's separated from Kody right now.
But we are sister wives, and we're just going
to keep on being sister wives,
and really good friends for the rest of our lives.
And keep raising our kids together.
And, just represent the plural part of our family.
I actually like the fact that Janelle and Christine have this relationship now.
They didn't, you know, for most of the years that we were together as a family.
I guess-- [chuckles]
I guess that just, you know, shows that having, you know, that,
the conflicts, the jealousy, whatever,
those are not there anymore.
[Christine] Just so you guys know, in Janelle's mind,
-she's naming all of these plants. -[Janelle] Oh, yeah.
It's interesting that Christine and Janelle
have a new found relationship.
'Cause I think it was more antagonistic before.
Uh, I wish it wasn't so,
but it seems to me that they are united in a common enemy against me... and Robyn.
Because they've got nothing good to say about us.
Kody wants to see this as, like, oh, my gosh, they're banding against me.
Christine's converted Janelle to her hate.
No. Like, we just really have a relationship.
We always had one. There was always a lot of history,
so many experiences that we shared.
And without the noise of the plural marriage,
all that, just was able to come forward.
So you just went back to school?
[Christine] Did you do a lot of it online? Or you had to go in person?
Uh, it's actually all online.
But I was younger...
[stammering] Oh, my gosh.
Our group was teaching that the world was gonna end.
So don't get your college education.
All women need to do is get married. The world's gonna end.
There was different classes and church meetings that we went to
where some of the people would teach that the world was gonna end.
And I remember talking to my dad about it, and he was like,
[imitates dad's voice] "Oh, Chris, that's not true.
That's crazy. You gotta go to college."
[Christine in normal voice] I'm like, oh...
One of my favorite things Christine does, is her imitation of her dad.
I'm glad that Rex was, her dad was smart,
because in every group that you get, you know, involved in,
it seems like there's always people who are looking for the apocalypse
to come and rescue them or whatever.
But hey, during COVID, who had toilet paper?
-[all laughs] -Yes, girl.
[reading]
Yes. Yes.
I grew up terrified.
And I remember specifically talking to my dad,
and being and... and being like,
what's gonna happen? When is the world gonna end?
When is Jesus coming back?
When is all this gonna happen? He's like, "Whoa...
Whoa.
You're like a kid. You're 14. Just live."
We could do a family reunion here.
'Cause Christine and I have talked about doing a reunion with our kids.
Like all the kids...
To get 'em all in the same space again,
I think that would be a feat.
[Janelle] You know, I just... It just for some reason feels there's this huge gulf
between Robyn's children and the rest of the children.
I hear from my children and Christine's children whenever I'm with them,
that they miss Robyn's children.
You know, I don't know. Like, it's become so estranged and so bitter.
And there's things being said now.
And I just don't know, if it'll ever happen.
You know, this is from living with her.
She doesn't really wanna share resources.
That was a big, fat lie. Just FYI.
Everybody always thinks that if Kody has it, Robyn has it.
If Kody says it, Robyn says it.
Kody thinks it and feels it, Robyn thinks it and feels it.
That is not true.
But they are legally married.
So in theory, she will get half or more of what Kody has.
[Kody] Okay. Now we have some posts and texts to answer.
[reading]
Well, Jeff, I think you're a victim of 20 hours of our life
-for just 365 days-- -Just stop. You need to be nice.
-Listen, we didn't want our family to break up. -I know.
-Isn't that obvious? -Well, right. But you're not--
He's not trying to be rude.
-Jeff, you're reading too many tabloids. -Hey--
We didn't want this breakup. I didn't want this breakup.
-I know. But he wasn't being rude. -I can't tell.
-He's not being rude. -I think you just say that?
-Like, we like each other, that's true. -He was trying to be...
Sorry. Listen, I've gone through three divorces in three years.
I'm not a happy camper. And I'm not nice.
Me, Meri, and Robyn are gonna sit down and talk about the property.
Whose property is what.
And just reaffirming sort of the division and stuff like that.
[Robyn] Every time I'm out here on the property,
it makes me ache. Ache, ache, ache, to get just get of here.
Well, Meri, since you want to build on the property,
we should go walk it.
You're skipping a conversation.
There's like quite a few conversations that are being skipped here.
[Meri] After Christine left,
I guess she signed over her property to Kody and Robyn.
And I don't know what's happening with that.
So, here's the deal.
-We're still doing five lots, okay? -[Meri] Okay.
-So-- -Christine's just out.
-So, you-- -And who gets the other one?
Me.
Christine left. She's gone.
So I'll own lot number three, which was gonna be her lot.
Because of things that have gone on in the past with the family,
I'm not gonna give the family lot to any wife.
Okay. So you get four, Robyn gets four.
So you guys will get eight together.
-No. It's two acre lots. -[Meri] Yeah.
-Two acre lots. And then four acre lots. -[Meri] Yeah. So...
Right. So, if you're getting two and two, that's four.
It seems like he's already made the decision.
And I don't think that's fair.
Because regardless of the fact that he and I haven't had a relationship
for, you know, eight or ten years, or however long it's been,
I'm still part of the family,
and I still financially put into it.
And so I deserve to have
some of the property.
And not just what he decides I'm worthy of.
The fact that he's gonna take a property lot all by himself
is just so selfish.
That's not polygamy. That's selfishness.
But anyway...
[Meri] Okay. Some questions, rather than just the statements.
[reading]
So we purchase them in different size lots.
That's just how they came.
How about, they get a surveyor out there
to separate it into the four lots?
'Cause inequality is where it's at.
bymyownrules says... [reading]
Well, I was never Kody's doormat.
So it was never a decision for me to make.
Here's the thing. People think that I was a doormat,
because I chose to stay in my committed marriage.
I disagree with your statement about me, of being a doormat.
And I will not take that on to myself. But, thank you.
This is just weird to me.
That you two get eight together, four and four.
Janelle gets four and I get two.
Meri has one child, and I have 18 children.
And I wanted to keep the lot with the pond
to be for the whole family.
'Cause the whole family kind of understands that Meri doesn't want to really...
You know, this is from living with her. She doesn't really wanna share resources.
That was a big, fat lie. Just FYI.
I am completely fine with sharing resources.
I think that it's definitely a give and take situation.
And if it's not mutual,
that's where I have the...
conflicts with it.
The other thing is...
that...
you never know if Kody and I are gonna stay together.
-[Meri] I mean... -[both laughs]
[Meri] You never know.
You have another 22 years down the road.
[Robyn] That was a bad joke, Kody. Sorry.
-Sorry. -Should think of a comeback.
[Robyn] No, I'm just saying like, here's the thing.
-No, this is-- -10 years in, 12 years in,
-I wouldn't have thought-- -That was a bad joke. Sorry, sweetheart. I'm sorry.
We have no idea what the future holds.
I'm not saying that Kody and I are gonna really split up,
but, I mean, it's just like,
I deserve my fourth too, is what my point is.
Not to be counted with Kody.
I'm totally in agreement with that.
Like, she should have some property.
I actually get tired of that.
To constantly always be counted with Kody and...
like, everybody always thinks
that if Kody has it, Robyn has it.
If Kody says it, Robyn says it.
Kody thinks it and feels it, Robyn thinks it and feels it.
That is not true.
But they are legally married.
So in theory, she will get half or more of what Kody has...
if they divorce.
What'd you think would be different?
What were you imagining would be different?
No, I just wasn't really imagining anything.
I just knew there was now two more acres.
So does that mean...
like, I get them?
Because Robyn and Janelle each have...
four.
If each of our... the... the ladies...
Um, to me, if each of the ladies,
if our property is intended to pass down to our children,
then all of the children are covered.
So then, what is Kody's property for?
-[Kody] I'm not thinking that. -[Meri laughs] Okay.
I understand.
I've explained that to her 100 times.
Oh, I understand what he's saying. [scoffs]
What I mean here is that,
we each deserve our own,
and I wanted the fifth lot for basically a family lot.
Well, I just felt like... Everybody, because we all work together,
you know, made the same amount, that everybody
should kind of get their equal portion.
That's fair. But there won't be a lot now where all the kids have access.
The recreational lot. If we do that way.
-Yeah, I know. -'Cause we all know from experience
that nobody else is really gonna share with all of the kids.
I didn't understand that at the time.
That makes more sense to me.
[Kody] But originally my thought was that...
I would have lot one, so that all of the children will have access to it.
Because I'm the only that all of the children have claim on.
We have a barbecue at Levi's house now.
This is the last thing we're gonna do with him.
And oh, my gosh, it's just been a fun couple of days.
[Janelle] Look how tall I would throw. [laughs]
We're playing ultimate frisbee.
Now what I wanna do is, lay it up right over the top.
And you're just gonna be right behind it like a backboard
and dunk it down, that's three points.
It'll be me and Chris, against Mathew and Janelle.
Oh, no, no. I promise, he doesn't want to be on my team.
We will help each other. You're gonna be just fine.
Between Meri and Robyn and Janelle,
I am definitely the most competitive.
That is why I left first.
It's because I wanted to win. [laughs]
Listen.
She's not wrong.
She definitely is the most competitive.
Christine always has been. It's kind of funny.
-[man] Yeah! That's how you do it. -Nice.
Nice... Oh.
You said in the last few years, you kind of had your moment,
realizing that maybe you did need to move away.
What happened in the last few years?
So, he just said that he wasn't attracted to me.
And there was no real chemistry and it wasn't gonna be.
And I wasn't nice enough to my sister wives.
Christine and I, both know that that's a code word for you weren't nice to Robyn.
-You were nice to me. -I was nice to you. [laughs]
On the contrary, Robyn, it was that Christine wasn't nice to me.
[Janelle] I used to hear all these crazy stories.
Like, Kody really believed that Christine was being so mean.
And I don't think Christine really was.
I mean, like, he's basically accused me when my boys,
especially, have been so mean to this one person who's given everything to this family.
I think that's a pretty one-sided view of this situation.
That was one angry argument that I had with Janelle, once.
Once, I was mad at Janelle
for the things that her boys were doing and that she was doing.
But Christine had been complaining about Janelle
and about Meri...
for years.
They're trying to make this...
our breakup.
Everything about Robyn...
that's actually a lie.
From the day that I asked him to not stay there anymore,
I took my life back.
And I got it back.
And I became stronger that day.
This conversation just isn't for my brother, it's for Janelle too.
I'm not saying that Janelle has to follow the same path.
She has way different situation than mine.
But she needs to know it is okay on the other side.
This narrative that Christine talks about all the time frustrates me.
I'm fine. I am separated from Kody.
Kody and I are no longer gonna be together.
And she acts like I'm sitting here, needing encouragement to leave,
sitting like I need to be shown that it's okay.
And that's just [bleep].
Because I have left.
I have three children that still lives in Flagstaff.
So why would I not stay here? I like Flagstaff. I have three kids here.
Just because I can't move away right now,
because the assets are all scrambled,
um, I can't take my part of our state and go somewhere.
And the fact that I'm not dating and I'm not trying to move out of state,
it's like I'm not sitting here needing to be told
that I have the power to leave.
I've left. I just didn't move.
We're raised in a culture where marriages are forever, right?
So that's... It's been a harder thing to like, reconcile.
But, like I think... I mean, we're 50.
We still have a long time.
Because I still...
have my faith.
Like, I'm still spiritually married to Kody.
Like, I don't know how to get a divorce that way.
I can tell her how.
I'm just saying... [laughs]
-Can I talk back too? I'm gonna talk back. -You can talk back.
He wants her to say, "Our marriage is over."
She's not gonna say that. She's never gonna say that.
We can always have something else, but not that.
So, "stick around and stay married,
but, you know, I can't give you a relationship."
It's ridiculous.
[Jenn] Hello!
Hey.
-Are you busy? -Come in.
Am I interrupting? Are you watching TV?
What are you guys... what are you watching here?
I'm watching our show.
This is the finale of the season.
-And it's like this talk-back thing. -Oh.
And so we're-- I-- I just need to watch it.
Do you wanna watch the rest of it with me?
-Uh, okay. -Grab a chair.
Can I talk back too?
-You can talk back. -I'm gonna talk back.
Also, is now a good time to drop a bomb?
What's the bomb?
[sighs] My heart just started pounding hard.
I was up at the bed and breakfast this past weekend...
and...
it needs me.
I probably won't be renewing my lease here.
I'm not saying anything about this property
because my intention has always been
to build here.
And-- and then, just...
it's like a temporary sort of situation--
I don't know.
Okay.
[exhales]
[crying]
So, I don't understand why it matters.
Like, why is she so upset?
I think that Robyn really, when it came down to it, like,
she really wanted to have a...
she wanted sister wives.
She wanted to have a good relationship with sister wives.
She wanted a plural family.
I understand that.
-And, you know, with Christine leaving... -Mmm-hmm.
...she doesn't have much of a relationship with Janelle.
She and I have been okay.
Yeah, but you've been trying to build a relationship,
and every time you try, like,
you're constantly disappointed.
-I know. -'Cause every time I talk to you, you're like,
"Well, we were gonna do this and then we didn't."
-Yeah. -I don't understand like why she's upset then.
-I just don't. I really don't. -I think--
I think she still wanted it.
-Yeah. -I think she still was hopeful that it--
I mean, otherwise, why would she keep saying to me,
"Hey. Hold on. Hold on"?
'Cause I think she still wanted it,
like, ultimately.
I think she was still hopeful.
But that's kind of selfish
because, even though she wanted it,
there was nothing for you.
Yeah. Well, and Kody didn't want it.
-Exactly. So I'm really struggling with that. -You know? So.
I mean, yeah, she's entitled to her feelings,
but I just struggle with, like, she's upset...
Right.
...that you're doing something good for you.
-I don't know. -I would assume
that she has a lot of mixed emotions
surrounding it. I would think,
honestly, I think that she...
wants me to be happy
and also wants that to include her
and the family.
I have no doubt that she's...
got a lot of mixed feelings about it.
Yeah, okay. Hmm.
[Robyn] Despite the fact that I just feel like
my world is crumbling down,
I can't fight it
'cause it's not fair to Meri.
[laughs]
Finally she gets that.
It is not fair to Meri what she's lived
over the past however many years.
It is not fair to Meri.
Thank God she's not gonna try and cling on to her
and be like, "Please stay, please stay, please stay,"
because it is not fair.
I'm not gonna apologize for what I know in my heart
is what I need to do.
If it's gonna hurt Robyn's feelings,
if Kody's gonna be jumping for joy,
whatever the emotion that somebody else has about it
is irrelevant.
Do you even wanna look at the lot, Meri?
Or is it just off your radar?
It's not off my radar.
Did that just happen?
Meri's sitting here talking about how she's going to move now.
I'm pretty sure she's saying,
"I'm not going to live here anymore.
I'm moving." And he's like, "What about the lot?
Didn't you wanna look at the lot?"
It's not off my radar at all.
It's just so different.
What-- How do you mean?
Like, just so that I understand.
Things that you've said to me and about me this year.
It-- it...
-It changes things. -Meri, you're making it about what I said.
Why can't we get on the page where we're making it about where we are,
instead about what I say?
I'm sorry.
So what he said doesn't matter.
What he said was...
where they are.
He said, "I am not--
I don't consider myself married to you anymore."
And...
she would love to still be married to him.
So where they are is where he said.
Like, he would always say to her, like,
"Meri, there's not gonna be any hope."
And he would tell me that he had told her that.
But then he's like, "Let's go look at the property."
Or like-- I mean, he's doing this weird mixed-messaging.
And I don't if it's 'cause he thinks Robyn
is really wanting to hold the family together,
so he has to till this line,
or if it's that... I don't know. It's so weird.
If you listen closely to how he talks to her--
well, how he talks to any of us, really, except for Robyn,
it's always this really weird--
it's like he tries out the different angles
to see what gets the most real estate,
the most purchase for him.
This is why...
for ten years, essentially,
you weren't sure if you still had a marriage,
because of comments like that.
[Meri] No. I feel like Kody and I are in a good place.
He was over the other day. We had a good conversation.
But I feel like he's not as in a good of a place.
Meri has struggled ever since she got catfished
because she was a victim of the catfishing.
She's not being accountable in her own way
for the problems or the discussion in that marriage,
the discussions that we've had.
And I don't know if it's me or if it's something else going on.
It's blame.
I'm not meaning to blame you, Kody.
Then, just don't.
I never blamed him.
What did I say in this conversation that I blamed?
It's so wild to me the way Kody changes the script
or flips the script on Meri.
I was glad when she spoke up about that "Oh, I understand."
Yeah, she understood.
And here he's like,
"Well, you're blaming me." And she's not saying that.
Is this a cat and mouse game?
Is this...
he wants her to say, "Our marriage is over"?
She's not gonna say that. She's never gonna say that.
He said the marriage was over.
He needs to say the marriage is over.
I said, "The marriage is over."
I was fine with doing that.
But she's not. She's not that person.
Kody, I loved the conversation when you stopped by my house
the other day and we talked for like an hour.
-[Kody] Okay, so-- -Like, it was a good conversation.
Thank you. And that's--
-That's all I want it to be, Meri. -[Robyn] So that's--
-It was just safe and easy. -So then, stay on that vein...
-Okay, well, I wanna be. -...and not lump people into those things.
I didn't feel like I was lumping.
What did I say that made you feel like
-I was blaming you? -That was really cool to hear though.
Just the-- you brought up things I've said
and things that I've done.
-Right. -She's saying--
[Kody] That feels like blame.
-She's saying the things that you've said and done-- -I said-- Let me--
-Can I-- Can I? -Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry.
I was trying to help. I'll shut up.
[laughs] I understand...
Okay, first of all,
I'm so glad that you had her stop talking over you
and trying to like, what, Robyn-splain?
-[laughs] -Meri-splain?
I don't know what was happening there.
I am defensive a little bit because of what's gone on with Janelle
and with Christine
and with the kids.
I'm more defensive, actually,
just because of my relationship with Meri...
'cause I've been managing it carefully.
Very carefully for seven years.
[laughs]
Does he mean hiding it for seven years?
-Or ignoring it for seven years? -Yeah.
Is that how he's managing it?
He hasn't been "managing" it.
He's been ignoring her for seven years.
Quit the bull [bleep].
I'm trying to be as honest as I possibly can
without being...
a jackass.
Thank you for not being a jackass.
I appreciate that.
Well, Robyn, how do you feel right now?
It's vile to me she's so amiable.
I'm like, "Oh, man."
If I was Meri, I would have said,
"Well, I'm trying to be as honest as I can
without being a jackass,
'cause, I'm sorry, we could both be jackasses here."
He's not the only one.
It's vile to me.
You want something that we can't have together.
And we can always have something else.
But not that.
So, "stick around and stay married,
but, you know, I can't give you a relationship."
It's ridiculous.
[sniffles]
[crying]
Oh, my God.
I'm sorry. Can you pause it?
I'm sorry!
-I'm sorry. -Stop!
I'm not laughing because she's crying.
That's not why I'm laughing.
I'm-- I'm-- I'm-- I'm like-- I'm in shock--
I'm still-- I'm struggling with this.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I just wanna be supportive of you two,
but I just need to move away.
[crying]
-I'll just go for a walk. -[mouthing] What the hell?
I can see where they're goin' with this.
And they're both really calm.
And that's scaring me.
And I just don't know how I'm supposed to sit here...
and watch them decide.
Why doesn't she just get in the car and leave, then?
[Robyn on TV] If this is what they're gonna do,
I just-- I don't know if I can sit here with them.
[sobbing]
[sobbing continues]
It was performance. It was doing what I was supposed to.
-[Meri laughing] -I'm sorry to call it an act.
Nobody wants to be that.
I think sometimes he has no clue whatsoever
of the hole that he constantly digs for himself.
Now, because he's found a different kind of love
with Robyn, he's like,
"Well, that was just pretend." He's just full of [bleep].
All right, it's time for us to answer some questions
and read some posts.
[reading post]
Oh, meaning Kody's hair.
He just struggles.
I get sick and tired of how obsessed about his hair he was.
I always felt like it was the fifth wife.
[Janelle reading post]
I really don't think so.
I think he has found some sort of soulmate relationship with Robyn,
a late-in-life marriage or mature love
after you've both been through the ringer.
I don't know what it is, but, nah.
He'll be a monogamist from now on.
[Christine reading post]
No. Don't sign me up for that.
Queen maybe.
I-- You know what?
I'd rather Queen. Thank you.
I sit here feeling like it's ridiculous
to stay in a duty-bound marriage.
-All kinds of other things-- -I don't think it's fair to either of us.
And the thing is we had already decided.
We had decided at the conversation that we had had prior.
I also knew it was an important conversation to have documented,
which is something that he kind of fought.
So, I was very open to...
guiding this conversation to actually start
because I felt like it deserved accountability.
Good for you.
[Kody] There's so many ways this moment is just about
what we each want.
And those aren't the same things.
The hardest thing is accepting...
that it's not going to go back to a place that works
for what you're looking for.
I don't like that he's putting all this on me
and he's also not owning that he just doesn't have the interest.
He said it to me in private.
But he's still not saying it here.
It doesn't mean I'm not mad at you for...
not giving me what we promised each other.
Honestly, Kody ended it years ago
when he had no interest in keeping up a marriage--
you know, having a marriage with Meri.
He was just dragging her for years and years and years.
And he ended it years ago.
She would have kept the marriage going.
She would have loved to stay married to him.
But he's the one who really ended it.
It wasn't the catfishing thing. I wasn't whatever.
He's been the one who's said over and over,
"We're just going to get to know each other,"
and then not talk to her for a year.
Go out once a year.
That does not...
This-- No.
No.
I walked away because I just couldn't handle the conversation
and the direction it was going.
Why is she back? She's back?
-[Robyn on TV] I came to stop them from finalizing... -What is she doing?
-[show pauses] -What is she doing back?
Why didn't she just leave?
If this is not about her, why is she--
I don't know.
Okay. Whatever.
[crying] And maybe if I'm there,
then I can sort of say,
"Well, let's not make any decisions today."
Yeah, don't make a decision today,
because for the last seven years,
things have been peachy keen.
I'm sorry. This is, again, it's selfish.
It's not fair to not let this come to an end.
It's not fair. Why would you want to interfere?
I think by trying to stop it and giving support
and cheering on for all these years,
we have created a situation that really went on
longer than it should have.
That's just my opinion.
[Robyn] Sorry I left.
You don't have to be sorry you left.
[Robyn] It's...
really painful.
I know.
It's painful on Robyn?
This is all painful on Robyn?
What about being painful on Meri?
And I wanna be supportive, so.
I don't know. I feel like we just had a breakup conversation.
[Kody on TV] I'm glad we've gone this long
so we can be friends in the departure.
-I-- -[show pauses]
Were you trying to like lighten the--
-Like, what-- -No.
What were your feelings in this spot?
Because I thought, at one point,
you guys were making freaking bracelets out of weeds.
You're both like looking--
I didn't even know what's going on.
"We just had a breakup conversation."
We're not looking at each other.
We're not calling each other "jackass."
-That was like the calmest. -But we are having a breakup conversation.
I'm glad we've gone this long
so that we can be friends in the departure.
-I don't know-- -[Robyn] Are you even accepting that?
[laughing]
What else am I supposed to do with it, Robyn?
You've been doing a certain thing for a long time.
-I know I have. -Okay.
[Meri on TV] I'm not gonna force somebody to be with me
who doesn't wanna be with me.
I'm not gonna make somebody
act how they don't want to act.
Yeah, I get that.
-I do, but-- -And that's not fair.
-And it's-- -[Kody] Oh, the act is easy.
[gasps]
[Kody on TV] The act is easy.
-It's-- -Wait, wait, wait.
There's more.
I'm sorry. "The act is easy."
-Okay, wait, wait. There's more. -Fine, there's more. Great.
The act is obvious.
-Is it really that obvious? -"The act is easy"?
-Yes. -What's the act?
What are you saying?
Just performing my duty.
But, look, I was there.
He was involved in the relationships.
He wasn't just doing duty.
He wasn't being--
You know, he wasn't changing diapers
and doing all of those things because it was his duty.
He was engaged with the family.
But, now, because he's found a different kind of love with Robyn,
he's like, "Well, that was just pretend before.
I was just faking it. I was just doing my duty."
He's just full of [bleep].
You've got love letters and all these things.
-And like he... he used to be a different person. -Yup.
Yeah, he was. You can-- you can see that in some of the-- the clips,
you know, the old pictures that have been seen in this earlier.
-Yeah. -It's crazy.
And it wasn't an act. It was performance.
It was doing what I was supposed to.
-[laughing] -I'm sorry to call it an act.
Nobody wants to be that.
I think sometimes he has no clue whatsoever
of the hole that he constantly digs for himself.
He needs to stop talking.
Yeah, I wonder if he realizes that there was some of us
who were doing the same thing.
He's not the only one who had to sort of honor his commitments
and just be there
because it was what you needed to do.
He acts like he's some put-upon person
who made some sort of sacrifice.
I'm sorry, buddy.
That's what happens in a marriage.
When your relationships are bad,
that's kind of how everybody feels.
[Robyn] That's one of the reasons why I fell in love with him...
is because he loved Meri and he loved his wives.
As a monogamist, gotta tell you,
it's weird that someone would fall in love with somebody
because they love their wives.
So like hearing her say that as an outsider
-is just really weird. Sorry. -I can see that.
That makes sense.
[Robyn] I know he's bitter now, I know he's struggling,
so he's going into these weird dark places.
But it just... [exclaims]
So tired of him...
[sighs] ...talking like this.
Was it okay that I was disputing you
and saying, "That's not true, what he's saying"?
-Well, I-- -It wasn't an act,
'cause I saw you, like--
I know. I went on our honeymoon,
telling you everything Meri loved and what she liked,
because I was testing myself, Robyn.
There's something wrong there.
There was something wrong a long time ago.
And you thought it was...
You thought it was that I was so attuned
and attentive to my wives.
And the fact of the matter was is-- is that I was...
reacting to a bad emotional state.
And I thought it was love.
See?
See? There's the truth.
So I'm just as guilty.
Of?
Thinking that I was in love
and trying to work all that mess out.
Okay. So when you say that was just a performance and it was just an act...
I was trying to do what the right thing was, Robyn.
But you thought it was love.
-Felt love. -And I thought it was the right thing.
Right. But you felt and thought it was love.
-Yeah. -Okay.
I'm willing to fake being in love with Meri,
doing my duties as a husband,
sort of putting up with things that frustrate me so deeply
that, uh... I struggle to be around her.
I...
If I need to for the sake of...
[scoffs] ...whatever...
[Kody on TV] ...I don't know, I just fake through this.
[sighs]
I really don't believe he's in a good place.
Like, I really don't.
And so to have the world of social media bashing him--
yeah, and you're gonna bash me for backing him up here,
and that's fine, whatever,
-like, I'm-- -It's hard not to--
I'm backing up somebody who's really hurting,
somebody who is in pain.
He needs to just encapsulate this
and make him realize
that everything that he's saying here
is why he doesn't have a good relationship
with all of his children,
why I've left,
why Janelle's leaving.
We're all leaving 'cause we've been a "duty,"
he's been "acting" and "performing."
He is the reason his relationship with Meri is over.
He wants it to be over.
He's not saying it.
Man up. Man the [bleep] up.
I'm so over this.
I know that you don't feel...
or consider yourself married to me.
This is the agreement you required of me
in order to get married.
This agreement that I gave you,
our sacred covenant...
was if I'm ever not in love with you,
I won't just sit there
and be in a pathetic place with you.
That's a really weird thing to promise
when you go into a relationship.
That's really weird.
I don't think he's tellin' the whole thing.
I mean, maybe he is.
Maybe their relationship is that superficial.
Because, I'm sorry, you fall in and out of love
many times in a relationship.
Like, I feel like something else had to have happened.
Like, was he already complaining to her,
premarriage, about his relationship with like you
or Janelle or Christine?
And that was like-- And Chris--
And Robyn's like, "Well, if this happens with us,
-like, promise me you won't just"-- -Oh, my gosh.
-Are you serious? I never-- -Maybe I'm overthinking.
But that doesn't mean the marriage is over.
So, I understand what he's saying
and I'm glad that he's saying it finally to me.
You don't-- you wanna be done with me?
You tell me that you're done with me.
And, at the same time,
it kind of bothers me that he's telling Robyn...
"I made this agreement with you.
And so now I'm gonna put it on Meri, too."
[Robyn crying]
[sighs] This isn't what I want.
[Meri] It's not what I want either, Robyn.
It's not what I want.
[Kody] It's not what I wanted either.
[pretend vomiting]
Really? Really?
[continues pretend vomiting]
Okay, I'm fine.
It is what he wants. He ends--
Oh, God. Okay, just keep going please.
Whoo!
[all cheering]
-I think-- -No.
I think the world could have seen less of that.
That's so Kody.
I don't understand what she doesn't understand.
When you monopolize a man in plural marriage,
that's a breakup waiting to happen.
Oh, this is just torture.
This appears to be the end of our plural marriage.
I hate, legit, how many people hug
at the end of their breakup conversation.
A high five would have been more appropriate.
This is probably the most action
she's gotten from him in years.
[Kody] This is goodbye.
And we've agreed now, and I hope she finds peace.
'Cause I will.
'Cause I already have peace. So I hope Meri finds it.
God, what an ass.
[Robyn] I always wanted to live plural marriage.
I will just...
continue to spend time on my knees,
looking for peace and answers.
[crying] I'm looking at that mountain
and I'm thinking about when we came here.
[all cheering]
Oh, my God!
[all cheering]
[all laughing]
[Kody on TV] Whoo!
Whoo!
-I think-- -No.
I think the world could have seen less of that.
That's so Kody.
And we chose, all of us chose.
We were so in love with this property
and being together out here.
I wanted to sit on a porch with my sister wives
here on this property...
[sobbing] ...with our kids and our grandkids.
I think Kody should have been able to lock up
to what it was required in being a plural husband.
I'm just gonna say that.
And--
and Kody running around like he does
and just look at that mountain together
and having a family. I don't understand.
[crying] I don't understand.
[sobbing]
I don't understand what she doesn't understand.
When you monopolize a man in plural marriage,
and you make him believe that he's...
the most awesome, incredible, wonderful man
so he never wants to leave your house,
um, and we've got a guy who has a favorite,
who never leaves your house,
that's not a plural family.
That's a breakup waiting to happen.
Sorry. The responsibility of this is really on Kody's shoulders,
not Robyn's.
He could have done it if he had chosen to
honor his commitments and his covenants
and grow and had been able to be a husband to all,
equally, fairly,
not show favoritism, not having a favorite wife,
not having somebody who's loyal
so therefore he's, you know, whatever,
a guy-- "I'm loyal to her,"
and it just...
yeah.
And that's how this season goes out.
I do feel bad. Like...
-like, she's so upset. And you think, like... -Yeah.
...all of you, like the excitement when you guys got the property,
like, I was so excited for you because it was
-"Here's to a new beginning." -Yup.
-That was part of it. -'Cause that's what he said.
Exactly, and I will always go back to that
because it was such a thing.
And, like, I was like, "Okay, she's gonna have--
you guys, she's gonna have like a new chance.
He's going to change.
He made that promise.
And...
now, like, Meri doesn't get that,
Christine doesn't have that,
Janelle doesn't have that,
Robyn doesn't have that.
-And I think like the only person... -Yup.
who's okay with that right now
is Kody.
Yeah, I think so too.
[reading post]
-Amen. -I agree.
My blood pressure is way high.
I don't feel well. I'm sick to my stomach.
That is it.
Finale of...
another marriage.
All right, guys. It was kind of, uh, an interesting experience
to sit here with you.
I never wanna do that again.
-No, that was hard. It's hard to see... -Yucky.
...our experiences.
These are the hardest days of our lives.
-Oh. -Would you like to answer this question?
Gabrielle asks...
[Jenn reading post]
-Yes, I will... -Yes.
-...eventually. -Yes.
At least taller than you, right?
Oh, yeah. I would like somebody tall.
We'll just put some little details out there.
-Okay. Go ahead. -Yeah. Kind eyes.
Mmm-hmm. What else?
A pilot.