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Hi, everyone.
Welcome to the second hour
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of Sister Wives Talk Back.
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Robyn and I are gonna sit down
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and discuss the final
episode of this season.
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I wasn't nice enough
to my sister wives.
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Christine and I, both know
that that's a code word
for you weren't nice to Robyn.
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On the contrary, Robyn,
it was that Christine
wasn't nice to me.
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This agreement
that I gave you,
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our sacred covenant...
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[imitates retching]
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I'm not sitting here,
needing to be told that I
have the power to leave.
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I've left.
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[Meri reading]
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Well, I was never
Kody's doormat.
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-Jeff, you're reading
too many tabloids.
-Hey--
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We didn't want
this breakup.
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[Christine reading]
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No. Don't sign me
up for that.
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Queen, maybe.
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I'm not gonna make
somebody act
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how they don't want to act.
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-Yeah, I get that.
-The act is easy.
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The act is easy.
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[gasps]
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Hey, guys. So we're back
for another talk back.
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'Cause I guess you didn't
maybe get enough
of it, the first time.
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This time, we're gonna
watch the finale.
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I'm gonna comment.
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We'll see. I don't know how
this one's gonna go.
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This was a big
episode, y'all.
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And, oh, my gosh,
what a crazy year.
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Whoo.
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Ready?
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[Meri] All right.
It is October.
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There has been
a lot of stuff going on.
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So, April was mine and Kody's
32nd anniversary.
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For the past six months,
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I've had to really take
a lot of time
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to figure out the fact
that there really is...
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no commitment or covenant.
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He's already broken it.
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From everything that you
know about our covenants,
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would you say that,
you've somehow
broken your covenant?
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No. Meri had the affair.
I didn't break covenants.
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And it wasn't
a physical affair.
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So I thought we
were reconcilable.
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[Meri] I really felt like
I was emotionally
abandoned by him,
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many, many years ago.
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Well before the catfishing.
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I agree with that.
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Um, he really
pulled back emotionally,
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from all of us,
but especially from Meri.
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Um, that was back in Vegas,
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where I felt like I didn't
have a good relationship
with Kody anymore either.
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I think for him, he's probably
believed when she said,
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"Don't come over anymore."
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When we moved to Flagstaff,
which is now been...
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five years...
Over five years.
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I told Meri, um,
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"Yeah. We might be able
to get this. You know,
start over again."
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And, um, after we did
the whole, like,
start over again thing,
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um, we were spending
time together,
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and every time I spent
time with her...
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it wasn't healthy.
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[Janelle]
It's... It's really no secret
that Meri and Kody
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have had promise
for a very, very,
very long time.
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Above all, Meri is very loyal.
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And she's very much
a person of her word.
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And she felts like,
she gave a commitment.
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But I wonder...
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at what point, if it's not
very healthy for her.
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So then about a month ago,
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I saw where he actually said,
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"No, I don't consider
myself married
to Meri anymore."
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[Kody] I don't really
consider myself
married to Meri.
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If she wanted to move on,
and marry another,
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she wouldn't get
an argument with me.
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[Meri]
That was pretty insulting
and pretty vulgar...
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for him to just
be open to that.
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I don't understand
why she keeps this.
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I think it's because she
addicted to being a victim.
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Most of the time,
these private conversations,
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these individual interviews,
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I don't know anything about,
until I see them on the show.
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So when I saw that,
where he said,
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"I don't even consider
her my wife",
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like that's...
like that's a big shift.
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I think it's disgusting
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how Kody has been dragging
Meri along for years.
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Can you imagine finding out...
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their marriage was over
on social media like that?
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Pretty sure
it was like a text.
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And I think it's equally
as disgusting
that Robyn's like,
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"Stay with the family.
Stay with the family..."
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Let that girl go.
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Okay, one more thing.
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I've got some
viewer questions
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and comments that I
am going to respond to.
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[reading]
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We obviously felt like it was
good for us at the time.
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I still feel like that it was.
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I feel like, things after that
that had happened is what...
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you know, obviously
kind of created
some conflict.
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I mean, there was
a little bit of a shake up
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whenever any wife comes
into the family,
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no matter what time it is,
you know, how many
years it's been.
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We did also have
so many other things
that were happening,
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around that same time,
as far as like, going public,
moving to Las Vegas.
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And there was, you know,
just a big shift
in the family
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and in our lifestyles.
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Look, we all loved Robyn.
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We loved her kids.
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It's unfortunate the way
that it's gone down.
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But, it just is. It's just,
relationships
and people change.
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[Janelle]
So we've been
in Burley, Idaho,
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visiting Christine's brothers.
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-[man] Good morning.
How you guys doing?
-Hey, this is beautiful.
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Today we decided we
were gonna go on a hike
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at the City of Rocks
National Reserve.
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It's a really cool area
with a lot of rocks
and good hiking.
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And we're just gonna go
hang out and go
for a little hike.
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[woman] Janelle,
we need a picture here.
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[Janelle] I know. Wow!
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A couple of years ago,
I left Kody.
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Janelle's separated
from Kody right now.
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But we are sister wives,
and we're just going
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to keep on being sister wives,
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and really good friends
for the rest of our lives.
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And keep raising
our kids together.
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And, just represent
the plural part of our family.
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I actually like the fact
that Janelle and Christine
have this relationship now.
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They didn't, you know,
for most of the years that we
were together as a family.
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I guess-- [chuckles]
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I guess that just, you know,
shows that having,
you know, that,
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the conflicts,
the jealousy, whatever,
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those are not
there anymore.
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[Christine] Just so you
guys know,
in Janelle's mind,
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-she's naming all
of these plants.
-[Janelle] Oh, yeah.
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It's interesting
that Christine and Janelle
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have a new found relationship.
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'Cause I think it was
more antagonistic before.
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Uh, I wish it wasn't so,
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but it seems to me that they
are united in a common enemy
against me... and Robyn.
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Because they've got
nothing good
to say about us.
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Kody wants to see this as,
like, oh, my gosh,
they're banding against me.
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Christine's converted
Janelle to her hate.
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No. Like, we just really
have a relationship.
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We always had one.
There was always
a lot of history,
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so many experiences
that we shared.
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And without the noise
of the plural marriage,
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all that, just was
able to come forward.
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So you just went
back to school?
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[Christine]
Did you do a lot of it online?
Or you had to go in person?
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Uh, it's actually all online.
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But I was younger...
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[stammering]
Oh, my gosh.
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Our group was teaching
that the world
was gonna end.
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So don't get your
college education.
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All women need to do
is get married.
The world's gonna end.
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There was different classes
and church meetings
that we went to
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where some of the people
would teach
that the world was gonna end.
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And I remember talking
to my dad about it,
and he was like,
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[imitates dad's voice]
"Oh, Chris, that's not true.
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That's crazy. You gotta
go to college."
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[Christine in normal voice]
I'm like, oh...
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One of my favorite things
Christine does, is her
imitation of her dad.
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I'm glad that Rex was,
her dad was smart,
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because in every group
that you get, you know,
involved in,
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it seems like there's
always people who are
looking for the apocalypse
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to come and rescue them
or whatever.
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But hey, during COVID,
who had toilet paper?
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-[all laughs]
-Yes, girl.
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Yes. Yes.
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I grew up terrified.
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And I remember
specifically
talking to my dad,
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and being and...
and being like,
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what's gonna happen?
When is the world gonna end?
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When is Jesus coming back?
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When is all this gonna happen?
He's like, "Whoa...
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Whoa.
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You're like a kid.
You're 14. Just live."
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We could do a family
reunion here.
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'Cause Christine and I have
talked about doing
a reunion with our kids.
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Like all the kids...
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To get 'em all
in the same space again,
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I think that would be a feat.
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[Janelle] You know, I just...
It just for some reason feels
there's this huge gulf
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between Robyn's children
and the rest of the children.
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I hear from my children
and Christine's children
whenever I'm with them,
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that they miss
Robyn's children.
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You know, I don't know.
Like, it's become so estranged
and so bitter.
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And there's things
being said now.
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And I just don't know,
if it'll ever happen.
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You know, this is from
living with her.
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She doesn't really wanna
share resources.
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That was a big, fat lie.
Just FYI.
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Everybody always thinks
that if Kody has it,
Robyn has it.
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If Kody says it,
Robyn says it.
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Kody thinks it and feels it,
Robyn thinks it and feels it.
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That is not true.
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But they are legally married.
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So in theory, she will
get half or more
of what Kody has.
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[Kody] Okay. Now we
have some posts
and texts to answer.
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[reading]
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Well, Jeff, I think
you're a victim
of 20 hours of our life
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-for just 365 days--
-Just stop.
You need to be nice.
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-Listen, we didn't want
our family to break up.
-I know.
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-Isn't that obvious?
-Well, right.
But you're not--
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He's not trying to be rude.
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-Jeff, you're reading
too many tabloids.
-Hey--
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We didn't want this breakup.
I didn't want this breakup.
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-I know. But he
wasn't being rude.
-I can't tell.
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-He's not being rude.
-I think you just say that?
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-Like, we like each other,
that's true.
-He was trying to be...
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Sorry. Listen, I've gone
through three
divorces in three years.
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I'm not a happy camper.
And I'm not nice.
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Me, Meri, and Robyn
are gonna sit down
and talk about the property.
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Whose property is what.
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And just reaffirming
sort of the division
and stuff like that.
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[Robyn] Every time I'm out
here on the property,
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it makes me ache.
Ache, ache, ache,
to get just get of here.
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Well, Meri, since you want
to build on the property,
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we should go walk it.
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You're skipping
a conversation.
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There's like quite a few
conversations that are
being skipped here.
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[Meri] After Christine left,
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I guess she signed
over her property
to Kody and Robyn.
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And I don't know
what's happening
with that.
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So, here's the deal.
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-We're still doing
five lots, okay?
-[Meri] Okay.
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-So--
-Christine's just out.
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-So, you--
-And who gets
the other one?
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Me.
235
00:12:10,066 --> 00:12:11,867
Christine left. She's gone.
236
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So I'll own lot number three,
which was gonna
be her lot.
237
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Because of things that have
gone on in the past
with the family,
238
00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,166
I'm not gonna give
the family lot to any wife.
239
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,967
Okay. So you get four,
Robyn gets four.
240
00:12:24,967 --> 00:12:26,667
So you guys will
get eight together.
241
00:12:26,667 --> 00:12:30,100
-No. It's two acre lots.
-[Meri] Yeah.
242
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-Two acre lots.
And then four acre lots.
-[Meri] Yeah. So...
243
00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,300
Right. So, if you're getting
two and two, that's four.
244
00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:38,600
It seems like he's already
made the decision.
245
00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,166
And I don't think
that's fair.
246
00:12:40,166 --> 00:12:43,700
Because regardless of the fact
that he and I haven't
had a relationship
247
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for, you know, eight
or ten years,
or however long it's been,
248
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,400
I'm still part
of the family,
249
00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,467
and I still financially
put into it.
250
00:12:50,467 --> 00:12:52,467
And so I deserve to have
251
00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:54,367
some of the property.
252
00:12:54,367 --> 00:12:58,266
And not just what he
decides I'm worthy of.
253
00:12:58,266 --> 00:13:01,266
The fact that he's gonna take
a property lot
all by himself
254
00:13:01,266 --> 00:13:02,667
is just so selfish.
255
00:13:02,667 --> 00:13:04,500
That's not polygamy.
That's selfishness.
256
00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:05,834
But anyway...
257
00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:12,066
[Meri] Okay. Some questions,
rather than just
the statements.
258
00:13:12,367 --> 00:13:14,233
[reading]
259
00:13:19,567 --> 00:13:22,667
So we purchase them
in different size lots.
260
00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:25,900
That's just how they came.
261
00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:29,467
How about, they get
a surveyor out there
262
00:13:29,467 --> 00:13:32,567
to separate it into
the four lots?
263
00:13:32,567 --> 00:13:35,467
'Cause inequality
is where it's at.
264
00:13:35,467 --> 00:13:39,166
bymyownrules says...
[reading]
265
00:13:41,667 --> 00:13:44,166
Well, I was never
Kody's doormat.
266
00:13:44,166 --> 00:13:47,100
So it was never
a decision for me to make.
267
00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:50,800
Here's the thing.
People think that I
was a doormat,
268
00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,100
because I chose to stay
in my committed marriage.
269
00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:59,066
I disagree with your
statement about me,
of being a doormat.
270
00:13:59,066 --> 00:14:01,834
And I will not take
that on to myself.
But, thank you.
271
00:14:03,367 --> 00:14:05,000
This is just weird to me.
272
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,600
That you two get
eight together,
four and four.
273
00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,100
Janelle gets four
and I get two.
274
00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,467
Meri has one child,
and I have 18 children.
275
00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:19,367
And I wanted to keep
the lot with the pond
276
00:14:19,367 --> 00:14:21,100
to be for the whole family.
277
00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:24,066
'Cause the whole family
kind of understands that Meri
doesn't want to really...
278
00:14:24,066 --> 00:14:27,667
You know, this is from
living with her. She doesn't
really wanna share resources.
279
00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:30,700
That was a big, fat lie.
Just FYI.
280
00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:33,800
I am completely fine
with sharing resources.
281
00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,066
I think that it's definitely
a give and take situation.
282
00:14:37,066 --> 00:14:39,266
And if it's not mutual,
283
00:14:39,266 --> 00:14:41,433
that's where I have the...
284
00:14:42,367 --> 00:14:43,667
conflicts with it.
285
00:14:43,667 --> 00:14:45,734
The other thing is...
286
00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:47,967
that...
287
00:14:47,967 --> 00:14:50,266
you never know if Kody
and I are gonna stay together.
288
00:14:50,266 --> 00:14:51,967
-[Meri] I mean...
-[both laughs]
289
00:14:51,967 --> 00:14:53,066
[Meri] You never know.
290
00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:56,166
You have another 22 years
down the road.
291
00:14:56,166 --> 00:14:59,367
[Robyn]
That was a bad
joke, Kody. Sorry.
292
00:14:59,367 --> 00:15:01,100
-Sorry.
-Should think
of a comeback.
293
00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:02,567
[Robyn] No, I'm just
saying like, here's the thing.
294
00:15:02,567 --> 00:15:05,000
-No, this is--
-10 years in, 12 years in,
295
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,767
-I wouldn't have thought--
-That was a bad joke.
Sorry, sweetheart. I'm sorry.
296
00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:14,166
We have no idea
what the future holds.
297
00:15:14,166 --> 00:15:16,867
I'm not saying
that Kody and I are
gonna really split up,
298
00:15:16,867 --> 00:15:18,367
but, I mean, it's just like,
299
00:15:18,367 --> 00:15:21,066
I deserve my fourth too,
is what my point is.
300
00:15:21,066 --> 00:15:22,967
Not to be counted
with Kody.
301
00:15:22,967 --> 00:15:24,867
I'm totally in agreement
with that.
302
00:15:24,867 --> 00:15:27,567
Like, she should have
some property.
303
00:15:27,567 --> 00:15:29,367
I actually get tired of that.
304
00:15:29,367 --> 00:15:32,333
To constantly always
be counted with Kody and...
305
00:15:32,967 --> 00:15:34,367
like, everybody always thinks
306
00:15:34,367 --> 00:15:36,867
that if Kody has it,
Robyn has it.
307
00:15:36,867 --> 00:15:38,200
If Kody says it,
Robyn says it.
308
00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,367
Kody thinks it and feels it,
Robyn thinks it and feels it.
309
00:15:40,367 --> 00:15:41,433
That is not true.
310
00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:43,367
But they are legally married.
311
00:15:43,367 --> 00:15:48,000
So in theory, she will
get half or more
of what Kody has...
312
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,166
if they divorce.
313
00:15:50,467 --> 00:15:51,667
What'd you think would
be different?
314
00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:53,467
What were you imagining
would be different?
315
00:15:53,467 --> 00:15:55,767
No, I just wasn't
really imagining anything.
316
00:15:55,767 --> 00:15:58,734
I just knew there was now
two more acres.
317
00:15:59,266 --> 00:16:00,734
So does that mean...
318
00:16:01,867 --> 00:16:02,867
like, I get them?
319
00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:04,867
Because Robyn
and Janelle each have...
320
00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:06,767
four.
321
00:16:06,767 --> 00:16:11,533
If each of our...
the... the ladies...
322
00:16:14,367 --> 00:16:17,200
Um, to me, if each
of the ladies,
323
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,567
if our property
is intended to pass down
to our children,
324
00:16:20,567 --> 00:16:22,634
then all of the children
are covered.
325
00:16:23,367 --> 00:16:28,767
So then, what is Kody's
property for?
326
00:16:28,767 --> 00:16:31,433
-[Kody] I'm not thinking that.
-[Meri laughs] Okay.
327
00:16:32,567 --> 00:16:34,166
I understand.
328
00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:37,166
I understand.
329
00:16:37,166 --> 00:16:39,333
I've explained
that to her 100 times.
330
00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,867
Oh, I understand
what he's saying.
[scoffs]
331
00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:46,367
What I mean here is that,
332
00:16:46,367 --> 00:16:47,667
we each deserve our own,
333
00:16:47,667 --> 00:16:52,300
and I wanted the fifth lot
for basically a family lot.
334
00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:57,000
Well, I just felt like...
Everybody, because
we all work together,
335
00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,767
you know, made
the same amount,
that everybody
336
00:17:00,767 --> 00:17:03,367
should kind of get
their equal portion.
337
00:17:03,367 --> 00:17:07,266
That's fair. But there won't
be a lot now where all
the kids have access.
338
00:17:07,266 --> 00:17:09,767
The recreational lot.
If we do that way.
339
00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:12,367
-Yeah, I know.
-'Cause we all know
from experience
340
00:17:12,367 --> 00:17:15,567
that nobody else is really
gonna share with
all of the kids.
341
00:17:15,567 --> 00:17:18,467
I didn't understand
that at the time.
342
00:17:18,467 --> 00:17:20,400
That makes more sense to me.
343
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,667
[Kody] But originally
my thought was that...
344
00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:27,066
I would have lot one,
so that all of the children
will have access to it.
345
00:17:27,066 --> 00:17:31,233
Because I'm the only that all
of the children have claim on.
346
00:17:37,066 --> 00:17:38,800
We have a barbecue
at Levi's house now.
347
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,066
This is the last thing
we're gonna do with him.
348
00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:42,567
And oh, my gosh,
it's just been a fun
couple of days.
349
00:17:43,967 --> 00:17:45,567
[Janelle] Look how tall
I would throw. [laughs]
350
00:17:46,367 --> 00:17:47,700
We're playing
ultimate frisbee.
351
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,100
Now what I wanna do is,
lay it up right over the top.
352
00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,000
And you're just gonna
be right behind
it like a backboard
353
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,767
and dunk it down,
that's three points.
354
00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:57,000
It'll be me and Chris,
against Mathew
and Janelle.
355
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,600
Oh, no, no. I promise,
he doesn't want
to be on my team.
356
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,166
We will help each other.
You're gonna be just fine.
357
00:18:01,166 --> 00:18:03,166
Between Meri and Robyn
and Janelle,
358
00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,967
I am definitely
the most competitive.
359
00:18:04,967 --> 00:18:06,367
That is why I left first.
360
00:18:06,367 --> 00:18:08,634
It's because I wanted to win.
[laughs]
361
00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,533
Listen.
362
00:18:18,467 --> 00:18:19,900
She's not wrong.
363
00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:23,100
She definitely
is the most competitive.
364
00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:25,967
Christine always has been.
It's kind of funny.
365
00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:29,767
-[man] Yeah!
That's how you do it.
-Nice.
366
00:18:30,867 --> 00:18:33,166
Nice... Oh.
367
00:18:33,166 --> 00:18:36,200
You said in the last
few years, you kind
of had your moment,
368
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,700
realizing that maybe
you did need to move away.
369
00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:40,066
What happened
in the last few years?
370
00:18:40,066 --> 00:18:43,166
So, he just said that he
wasn't attracted to me.
371
00:18:43,166 --> 00:18:46,166
And there was no
real chemistry
and it wasn't gonna be.
372
00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:49,266
And I wasn't nice
enough to my
sister wives.
373
00:18:49,266 --> 00:18:52,700
Christine and I, both know
that that's a code word
for you weren't nice to Robyn.
374
00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:54,533
-You were nice to me.
-I was nice to you.
[laughs]
375
00:18:56,467 --> 00:19:01,266
On the contrary, Robyn,
it was that Christine
wasn't nice to me.
376
00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,166
[Janelle] I used to hear
all these crazy stories.
377
00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:06,367
Like, Kody really believed
that Christine was
being so mean.
378
00:19:06,367 --> 00:19:09,166
And I don't think
Christine really was.
379
00:19:09,166 --> 00:19:11,767
I mean, like, he's basically
accused me when my boys,
380
00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:16,667
especially, have been so mean
to this one person who's given
everything to this family.
381
00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:20,600
I think that's a pretty
one-sided view
of this situation.
382
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,967
That was one angry argument
that I had with Janelle, once.
383
00:19:25,967 --> 00:19:27,400
Once, I was mad at Janelle
384
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,400
for the things that her
boys were doing
and that she was doing.
385
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,200
But Christine had
been complaining
about Janelle
386
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,333
and about Meri...
387
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,100
for years.
388
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,834
They're trying to make this...
389
00:19:40,867 --> 00:19:42,033
our breakup.
390
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,567
Everything about Robyn...
391
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,166
that's actually a lie.
392
00:19:48,467 --> 00:19:51,834
From the day that I asked
him to not stay there anymore,
393
00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:53,867
I took my life back.
394
00:19:53,867 --> 00:19:56,266
And I got it back.
395
00:19:56,266 --> 00:19:58,967
And I became stronger
that day.
396
00:19:58,967 --> 00:20:02,266
This conversation just
isn't for my brother,
it's for Janelle too.
397
00:20:02,266 --> 00:20:04,467
I'm not saying that Janelle
has to follow the same path.
398
00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:07,734
She has way different
situation than mine.
399
00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:12,000
But she needs to know
it is okay on the other side.
400
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,300
This narrative that Christine
talks about all the time
frustrates me.
401
00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:18,066
I'm fine. I am
separated from Kody.
402
00:20:18,066 --> 00:20:20,066
Kody and I are no
longer gonna be together.
403
00:20:20,066 --> 00:20:23,467
And she acts like I'm sitting
here, needing
encouragement to leave,
404
00:20:23,467 --> 00:20:26,767
sitting like I need to be
shown that it's okay.
405
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,400
And that's just [bleep].
406
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,667
Because I have left.
407
00:20:29,667 --> 00:20:32,166
I have three children
that still lives in Flagstaff.
408
00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:35,266
So why would I not stay here?
I like Flagstaff.
I have three kids here.
409
00:20:35,266 --> 00:20:37,400
Just because I can't
move away right now,
410
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,867
because the assets
are all scrambled,
411
00:20:39,867 --> 00:20:43,667
um, I can't take my part
of our state and go somewhere.
412
00:20:43,667 --> 00:20:46,867
And the fact that I'm not
dating and I'm not trying
to move out of state,
413
00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:49,667
it's like I'm not sitting here
needing to be told
414
00:20:49,667 --> 00:20:51,200
that I have
the power to leave.
415
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,567
I've left.
I just didn't move.
416
00:20:54,567 --> 00:20:57,867
We're raised in a culture
where marriages
are forever, right?
417
00:20:57,867 --> 00:21:00,667
So that's... It's been
a harder thing
to like, reconcile.
418
00:21:00,667 --> 00:21:03,266
But, like I think...
I mean, we're 50.
419
00:21:03,266 --> 00:21:04,967
We still have a long time.
420
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,066
Because I still...
421
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:09,367
have my faith.
422
00:21:09,367 --> 00:21:11,467
Like, I'm still spiritually
married to Kody.
423
00:21:11,467 --> 00:21:14,400
Like, I don't know how
to get a divorce that way.
424
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,166
I can tell her how.
425
00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:19,467
I'm just saying... [laughs]
426
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,600
-Can I talk back too?
I'm gonna talk back.
-You can talk back.
427
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,800
He wants her to say,
"Our marriage is over."
428
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,800
She's not gonna say that.
She's never gonna say that.
429
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,667
We can always have
something else, but not that.
430
00:21:35,667 --> 00:21:37,000
So, "stick around
and stay married,
431
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,867
but, you know, I can't
give you a relationship."
432
00:21:39,567 --> 00:21:40,667
It's ridiculous.
433
00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:46,700
[Jenn] Hello!
434
00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,266
Hey.
435
00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:49,867
-Are you busy?
-Come in.
436
00:21:49,867 --> 00:21:52,367
Am I interrupting?
Are you watching TV?
437
00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:54,600
What are you guys...
what are you watching here?
438
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,800
I'm watching our show.
439
00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,200
This is the finale
of the season.
440
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800
-And it's like
this talk-back thing.
-Oh.
441
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,700
And so we're-- I--
I just need to watch it.
442
00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:07,166
Do you wanna watch
the rest of it with me?
443
00:22:07,166 --> 00:22:08,767
-Uh, okay.
-Grab a chair.
444
00:22:08,767 --> 00:22:09,767
Can I talk back too?
445
00:22:09,767 --> 00:22:11,433
-You can talk back.
-I'm gonna talk back.
446
00:22:18,367 --> 00:22:20,734
Also, is now a good time
to drop a bomb?
447
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,900
What's the bomb?
448
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:27,867
[sighs] My heart just started
pounding hard.
449
00:22:27,867 --> 00:22:31,934
I was up at the bed and
breakfast this past weekend...
450
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:34,533
and...
451
00:22:36,667 --> 00:22:38,700
it needs me.
452
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:42,033
I probably won't be
renewing my lease here.
453
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:48,400
I'm not saying anything
about this property
454
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,166
because my intention
has always been
455
00:22:51,767 --> 00:22:54,033
to build here.
456
00:22:56,567 --> 00:22:59,166
And-- and then, just...
457
00:22:59,166 --> 00:23:01,367
it's like a temporary
sort of situation--
458
00:23:01,367 --> 00:23:02,533
I don't know.
459
00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:05,333
Okay.
460
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:07,333
[exhales]
461
00:23:07,667 --> 00:23:08,634
[crying]
462
00:23:11,166 --> 00:23:12,867
So, I don't understand
why it matters.
463
00:23:12,867 --> 00:23:15,000
Like, why is she so upset?
464
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,767
I think that Robyn really,
when it came down to it, like,
465
00:23:19,767 --> 00:23:22,767
she really wanted to have a...
466
00:23:22,767 --> 00:23:24,100
she wanted sister wives.
467
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:26,166
She wanted to have
a good relationship with
sister wives.
468
00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:27,734
She wanted a plural family.
469
00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:31,467
I understand that.
470
00:23:31,467 --> 00:23:34,300
-And, you know,
with Christine leaving...
-Mmm-hmm.
471
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,800
...she doesn't have much of
a relationship with Janelle.
472
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,100
She and I have been okay.
473
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,700
Yeah, but you've been trying
to build a relationship,
474
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:43,100
and every time you try, like,
475
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:45,000
you're constantly
disappointed.
476
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,800
-I know.
-'Cause every time
I talk to you, you're like,
477
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,000
"Well, we were gonna do this
and then we didn't."
478
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,967
-Yeah.
-I don't understand like
why she's upset then.
479
00:23:52,967 --> 00:23:54,467
-I just don't. I really don't.
-I think--
480
00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:56,266
I think she still wanted it.
481
00:23:56,266 --> 00:23:59,867
-Yeah.
-I think she still was hopeful
that it--
482
00:23:59,867 --> 00:24:02,767
I mean, otherwise, why would
she keep saying to me,
483
00:24:02,767 --> 00:24:04,000
"Hey. Hold on. Hold on"?
484
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,166
'Cause I think
she still wanted it,
485
00:24:06,166 --> 00:24:07,667
like, ultimately.
486
00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:09,066
I think she was still hopeful.
487
00:24:09,066 --> 00:24:11,066
But that's kind of selfish
488
00:24:11,066 --> 00:24:13,500
because, even though
she wanted it,
489
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,066
there was nothing for you.
490
00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:18,000
Yeah. Well,
and Kody didn't want it.
491
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,000
-Exactly. So I'm really
struggling with that.
-You know? So.
492
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,900
I mean, yeah, she's
entitled to her feelings,
493
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:26,100
but I just struggle with,
like, she's upset...
494
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,767
Right.
495
00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,033
...that you're doing
something good for you.
496
00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:33,767
-I don't know.
-I would assume
497
00:24:33,767 --> 00:24:36,000
that she has
a lot of mixed emotions
498
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,867
surrounding it.
I would think,
499
00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:40,533
honestly, I think that she...
500
00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:43,100
wants me to be happy
501
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:46,867
and also wants that
to include her
502
00:24:46,867 --> 00:24:48,300
and the family.
503
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:50,667
I have no doubt
that she's...
504
00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:52,700
got a lot of
mixed feelings about it.
505
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,367
Yeah, okay. Hmm.
506
00:24:55,367 --> 00:24:58,200
[Robyn] Despite the fact
that I just feel like
507
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,433
my world is crumbling down,
508
00:25:01,467 --> 00:25:05,767
I can't fight it
509
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,967
'cause it's not fair to Meri.
510
00:25:08,967 --> 00:25:09,834
[laughs]
511
00:25:10,367 --> 00:25:12,166
Finally she gets that.
512
00:25:12,166 --> 00:25:14,700
It is not fair to Meri
what she's lived
513
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:17,000
over the past
however many years.
514
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,667
It is not fair to Meri.
515
00:25:19,667 --> 00:25:22,000
Thank God she's not gonna
try and cling on to her
516
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,967
and be like, "Please stay,
please stay, please stay,"
517
00:25:23,967 --> 00:25:25,667
because it is not fair.
518
00:25:25,667 --> 00:25:28,567
I'm not gonna apologize
for what I know in my heart
519
00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:30,667
is what I need to do.
520
00:25:30,667 --> 00:25:33,100
If it's gonna
hurt Robyn's feelings,
521
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,266
if Kody's gonna be
jumping for joy,
522
00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:40,767
whatever the emotion that
somebody else has about it
523
00:25:40,767 --> 00:25:42,367
is irrelevant.
524
00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:45,667
Do you even wanna
look at the lot, Meri?
525
00:25:45,667 --> 00:25:47,266
Or is it just off your radar?
526
00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:48,767
It's not off my radar.
527
00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:54,367
Did that just happen?
528
00:25:54,367 --> 00:25:57,100
Meri's sitting here talking
about how she's
going to move now.
529
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,200
I'm pretty sure she's saying,
530
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600
"I'm not going
to live here anymore.
531
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,500
I'm moving." And he's like,
"What about the lot?
532
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,634
Didn't you wanna
look at the lot?"
533
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,266
It's not off my radar at all.
534
00:26:09,266 --> 00:26:11,166
It's just so different.
535
00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:13,200
What-- How do you mean?
536
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,200
Like, just so that
I understand.
537
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,367
Things that you've said to me
and about me this year.
538
00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:22,000
It-- it...
539
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,667
-It changes things.
-Meri, you're making it
about what I said.
540
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:29,400
Why can't we get on the page
where we're making it about
where we are,
541
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,967
instead about what I say?
542
00:26:30,967 --> 00:26:32,000
I'm sorry.
543
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,033
So what he said
doesn't matter.
544
00:26:36,867 --> 00:26:38,467
What he said was...
545
00:26:38,867 --> 00:26:40,133
where they are.
546
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,767
He said, "I am not--
547
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:45,233
I don't consider myself
married to you anymore."
548
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,266
And...
549
00:26:47,266 --> 00:26:49,533
she would love to still
be married to him.
550
00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:54,266
So where they are
is where he said.
551
00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:55,400
Like, he would always
say to her, like,
552
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,867
"Meri, there's not gonna
be any hope."
553
00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:59,767
And he would tell me
that he had told her that.
554
00:26:59,767 --> 00:27:02,100
But then he's like, "Let's go
look at the property."
555
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:05,000
Or like-- I mean, he's doing
this weird mixed-messaging.
556
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,266
And I don't if it's 'cause
he thinks Robyn
557
00:27:07,266 --> 00:27:09,166
is really wanting to hold
the family together,
558
00:27:09,166 --> 00:27:10,867
so he has to till this line,
559
00:27:10,867 --> 00:27:13,800
or if it's that...
I don't know. It's so weird.
560
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,200
If you listen closely
to how he talks to her--
561
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,767
well, how he talks
to any of us, really,
except for Robyn,
562
00:27:19,767 --> 00:27:22,166
it's always
this really weird--
563
00:27:22,166 --> 00:27:24,100
it's like he tries out
the different angles
564
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,900
to see what gets
the most real estate,
565
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,367
the most purchase for him.
566
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:29,433
This is why...
567
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:33,266
for ten years, essentially,
568
00:27:33,266 --> 00:27:35,967
you weren't sure
if you still had a marriage,
569
00:27:35,967 --> 00:27:38,300
because of comments
like that.
570
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,500
[Meri] No. I feel like Kody
and I are in a good place.
571
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,100
He was over the other day.
We had a good conversation.
572
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:47,634
But I feel like he's
not as in a good of a place.
573
00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:51,667
Meri has struggled ever since
she got catfished
574
00:27:51,667 --> 00:27:55,100
because she was a victim
of the catfishing.
575
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,867
She's not being accountable
in her own way
576
00:27:57,867 --> 00:28:00,400
for the problems or the
discussion in that marriage,
577
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,166
the discussions that
we've had.
578
00:28:03,967 --> 00:28:06,367
And I don't know if it's me
or if it's something else
going on.
579
00:28:06,367 --> 00:28:07,667
It's blame.
580
00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:09,567
I'm not meaning
to blame you, Kody.
581
00:28:09,567 --> 00:28:11,066
Then, just don't.
582
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,967
I never blamed him.
583
00:28:14,967 --> 00:28:17,500
What did I say in this
conversation that I blamed?
584
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,867
It's so wild to me the way
Kody changes the script
585
00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:22,767
or flips the script on Meri.
586
00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:26,467
I was glad when she spoke up
about that "Oh, I understand."
587
00:28:26,467 --> 00:28:27,867
Yeah, she understood.
588
00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:29,400
And here he's like,
589
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,767
"Well, you're blaming me."
And she's not saying that.
590
00:28:31,767 --> 00:28:33,867
Is this a cat and mouse game?
591
00:28:33,867 --> 00:28:35,200
Is this...
592
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,266
he wants her to say,
"Our marriage is over"?
593
00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:41,400
She's not gonna say that.
She's never gonna say that.
594
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,567
He said the marriage was over.
595
00:28:43,567 --> 00:28:46,000
He needs to say
the marriage is over.
596
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,266
I said,
"The marriage is over."
597
00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:48,767
I was fine with doing that.
598
00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:50,867
But she's not.
She's not that person.
599
00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:53,967
Kody, I loved the conversation
when you stopped by my house
600
00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:56,467
the other day and we talked
for like an hour.
601
00:28:56,467 --> 00:28:58,767
-[Kody] Okay, so--
-Like, it was
a good conversation.
602
00:28:58,767 --> 00:29:00,367
Thank you. And that's--
603
00:29:00,367 --> 00:29:02,166
-That's all I want it
to be, Meri.
-[Robyn] So that's--
604
00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,467
-It was just safe and easy.
-So then, stay on that vein...
605
00:29:04,467 --> 00:29:09,667
-Okay, well, I wanna be.
-...and not lump people
into those things.
606
00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:11,367
I didn't feel
like I was lumping.
607
00:29:11,367 --> 00:29:12,967
What did I say
that made you feel like
608
00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:14,300
-I was blaming you?
-That was really
cool to hear though.
609
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:17,166
Just the-- you brought up
things I've said
610
00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:18,567
and things that I've done.
611
00:29:18,567 --> 00:29:19,867
-Right.
-She's saying--
612
00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:21,200
[Kody] That feels like blame.
613
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,967
-She's saying the things
that you've said and done--
-I said-- Let me--
614
00:29:23,967 --> 00:29:26,567
-Can I-- Can I?
-Yeah. Yeah.
Go ahead. Sorry.
615
00:29:26,567 --> 00:29:27,767
I was trying to help.
I'll shut up.
616
00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:29,033
[laughs] I understand...
617
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,166
Okay, first of all,
618
00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:34,567
I'm so glad that you had her
stop talking over you
619
00:29:34,567 --> 00:29:37,567
and trying to like, what,
Robyn-splain?
620
00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:39,266
-[laughs]
-Meri-splain?
621
00:29:39,266 --> 00:29:41,000
I don't know
what was happening there.
622
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,667
I am defensive a little bit
because of what's gone on
with Janelle
623
00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:45,967
and with Christine
624
00:29:45,967 --> 00:29:47,166
and with the kids.
625
00:29:48,567 --> 00:29:49,900
I'm more defensive, actually,
626
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,266
just because of
my relationship with Meri...
627
00:29:54,266 --> 00:29:56,734
'cause I've been
managing it carefully.
628
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,233
Very carefully
for seven years.
629
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:01,567
[laughs]
630
00:30:01,567 --> 00:30:03,500
Does he mean hiding it
for seven years?
631
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,166
-Or ignoring it
for seven years?
-Yeah.
632
00:30:05,166 --> 00:30:06,967
Is that how he's managing it?
633
00:30:06,967 --> 00:30:08,166
He hasn't been "managing" it.
634
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,600
He's been ignoring her
for seven years.
635
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,300
Quit the bull [bleep].
636
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,600
I'm trying to be as honest
as I possibly can
637
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,767
without being...
638
00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:18,767
a jackass.
639
00:30:18,767 --> 00:30:21,634
Thank you for
not being a jackass.
640
00:30:22,266 --> 00:30:23,300
I appreciate that.
641
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,100
Well, Robyn, how do you
feel right now?
642
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,100
It's vile to me
she's so amiable.
643
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:29,567
I'm like, "Oh, man."
644
00:30:29,567 --> 00:30:30,767
If I was Meri,
I would have said,
645
00:30:30,767 --> 00:30:32,667
"Well, I'm trying to be
as honest as I can
646
00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:34,266
without being a jackass,
647
00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:36,567
'cause, I'm sorry, we could
both be jackasses here."
648
00:30:36,567 --> 00:30:38,100
He's not the only one.
649
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,700
It's vile to me.
650
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:44,233
You want something
that we can't have together.
651
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,634
And we can always have
something else.
652
00:30:53,166 --> 00:30:54,433
But not that.
653
00:30:55,967 --> 00:30:57,266
So, "stick around
and stay married,
654
00:30:57,266 --> 00:30:59,133
but, you know, I can't
give you a relationship."
655
00:30:59,767 --> 00:31:01,066
It's ridiculous.
656
00:31:01,066 --> 00:31:02,433
[sniffles]
657
00:31:03,166 --> 00:31:04,133
[crying]
658
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,033
Oh, my God.
659
00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:12,834
I'm sorry. Can you pause it?
660
00:31:13,266 --> 00:31:14,667
I'm sorry!
661
00:31:14,667 --> 00:31:15,767
-I'm sorry.
-Stop!
662
00:31:15,767 --> 00:31:17,467
I'm not laughing
because she's crying.
663
00:31:17,467 --> 00:31:18,767
That's not why I'm laughing.
664
00:31:18,767 --> 00:31:21,667
I'm-- I'm-- I'm-- I'm like--
I'm in shock--
665
00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:23,867
I'm still--
I'm struggling with this.
666
00:31:23,867 --> 00:31:25,266
I'm sorry.
667
00:31:25,266 --> 00:31:27,467
I'm sorry. I just wanna be
supportive of you two,
668
00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:29,266
but I just need to move away.
669
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,066
[crying]
670
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,133
-I'll just go for a walk.
-[mouthing] What the hell?
671
00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:38,233
I can see where
they're goin' with this.
672
00:31:38,967 --> 00:31:40,834
And they're both really calm.
673
00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,000
And that's scaring me.
674
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,934
And I just don't know how
I'm supposed to sit here...
675
00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:49,367
and watch them decide.
676
00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:51,166
Why doesn't she just get in
the car and leave, then?
677
00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:52,467
[Robyn on TV] If this
is what they're gonna do,
678
00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:55,533
I just-- I don't know
if I can sit here with them.
679
00:31:56,567 --> 00:31:57,934
[sobbing]
680
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:05,266
[sobbing continues]
681
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:16,166
It was performance. It was
doing what I was supposed to.
682
00:32:16,166 --> 00:32:18,600
-[Meri laughing]
-I'm sorry to call it an act.
683
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,500
Nobody wants to be that.
684
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,100
I think sometimes
he has no clue whatsoever
685
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,266
of the hole that he
constantly digs for himself.
686
00:32:29,266 --> 00:32:31,367
Now, because he's found
a different kind of love
687
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:32,867
with Robyn, he's like,
688
00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:36,367
"Well, that was just pretend."
He's just full of [bleep].
689
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,700
All right, it's time for us
to answer some questions
690
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:44,500
and read some posts.
691
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,533
[reading post]
692
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,333
Oh, meaning Kody's hair.
693
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,266
He just struggles.
694
00:32:52,266 --> 00:32:54,100
I get sick and tired of
how obsessed
about his hair he was.
695
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:55,767
I always felt like
it was the fifth wife.
696
00:32:56,166 --> 00:33:00,266
[Janelle reading post]
697
00:33:00,266 --> 00:33:01,600
I really don't think so.
698
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,500
I think he has found some
sort of soulmate relationship
with Robyn,
699
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:08,100
a late-in-life marriage
or mature love
700
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,600
after you've both
been through the ringer.
701
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,667
I don't know
what it is, but, nah.
702
00:33:11,667 --> 00:33:13,634
He'll be a monogamist
from now on.
703
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,667
[Christine reading post]
704
00:33:15,667 --> 00:33:17,934
No. Don't sign me up
for that.
705
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,700
Queen maybe.
706
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:22,100
I-- You know what?
707
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,734
I'd rather Queen. Thank you.
708
00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:27,100
I sit here feeling
like it's ridiculous
709
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,467
to stay in
a duty-bound marriage.
710
00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,033
-All kinds of other things--
-I don't think it's fair
to either of us.
711
00:33:35,166 --> 00:33:38,200
And the thing is
we had already decided.
712
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,100
We had decided
at the conversation
that we had had prior.
713
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:46,166
I also knew it was an
important conversation
to have documented,
714
00:33:46,166 --> 00:33:48,467
which is something
that he kind of fought.
715
00:33:48,467 --> 00:33:51,667
So, I was very open to...
716
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,567
guiding this conversation
to actually start
717
00:33:55,567 --> 00:34:00,567
because I felt like
it deserved accountability.
718
00:34:00,567 --> 00:34:02,266
Good for you.
719
00:34:02,266 --> 00:34:05,200
[Kody] There's so many ways
this moment is just about
720
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,166
what we each want.
721
00:34:07,166 --> 00:34:08,967
And those aren't
the same things.
722
00:34:09,667 --> 00:34:12,533
The hardest thing
is accepting...
723
00:34:13,567 --> 00:34:18,667
that it's not going to go back
to a place that works
724
00:34:18,667 --> 00:34:20,367
for what you're looking for.
725
00:34:22,066 --> 00:34:25,867
I don't like that
he's putting all this on me
726
00:34:25,867 --> 00:34:31,200
and he's also not owning
that he just doesn't have
the interest.
727
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,066
He said it to me in private.
728
00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:35,934
But he's still
not saying it here.
729
00:34:38,166 --> 00:34:40,567
It doesn't mean
I'm not mad at you for...
730
00:34:46,767 --> 00:34:49,333
not giving me
what we promised each other.
731
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Honestly, Kody ended it
years ago
732
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,567
when he had no interest
in keeping up a marriage--
733
00:34:59,567 --> 00:35:01,767
you know, having
a marriage with Meri.
734
00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:04,467
He was just dragging her
for years and years and years.
735
00:35:04,467 --> 00:35:06,367
And he ended it years ago.
736
00:35:06,367 --> 00:35:08,900
She would have
kept the marriage going.
737
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,700
She would have loved
to stay married to him.
738
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,166
But he's the one
who really ended it.
739
00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:16,700
It wasn't the catfishing
thing. I wasn't whatever.
740
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,266
He's been the one
who's said over and over,
741
00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:21,767
"We're just going to
get to know each other,"
742
00:35:21,767 --> 00:35:23,700
and then not talk to her
for a year.
743
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:24,767
Go out once a year.
744
00:35:24,767 --> 00:35:26,667
That does not...
745
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:28,333
This-- No.
746
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,100
No.
747
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:35,266
I walked away because
I just couldn't handle
the conversation
748
00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:37,533
and the direction
it was going.
749
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,200
Why is she back?
She's back?
750
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,367
-[Robyn on TV] I came to
stop them from finalizing...
-What is she doing?
751
00:35:44,367 --> 00:35:45,667
-[show pauses]
-What is she doing back?
752
00:35:45,667 --> 00:35:46,800
Why didn't she just leave?
753
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,066
If this is not about her,
why is she--
754
00:35:49,066 --> 00:35:49,967
I don't know.
755
00:35:49,967 --> 00:35:51,467
Okay. Whatever.
756
00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:53,066
[crying]
And maybe if I'm there,
757
00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:55,166
then I can sort of say,
758
00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:58,166
"Well, let's not make
any decisions today."
759
00:35:58,166 --> 00:35:59,900
Yeah, don't make
a decision today,
760
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,367
because for
the last seven years,
761
00:36:01,367 --> 00:36:02,867
things have been peachy keen.
762
00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:05,867
I'm sorry. This is, again,
it's selfish.
763
00:36:05,867 --> 00:36:09,600
It's not fair to not
let this come to an end.
764
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,367
It's not fair. Why would you
want to interfere?
765
00:36:12,367 --> 00:36:15,567
I think by trying to stop it
and giving support
766
00:36:15,567 --> 00:36:17,500
and cheering on
for all these years,
767
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,266
we have created a situation
that really went on
768
00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:22,467
longer than it should have.
769
00:36:22,467 --> 00:36:23,634
That's just my opinion.
770
00:36:24,166 --> 00:36:25,567
[Robyn] Sorry I left.
771
00:36:26,266 --> 00:36:28,433
You don't have to be
sorry you left.
772
00:36:29,367 --> 00:36:30,533
[Robyn] It's...
773
00:36:31,166 --> 00:36:32,266
really painful.
774
00:36:32,266 --> 00:36:33,266
I know.
775
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,467
It's painful on Robyn?
776
00:36:35,467 --> 00:36:37,333
This is all painful on Robyn?
777
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,734
What about being painful
on Meri?
778
00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:42,967
And I wanna be supportive, so.
779
00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:48,567
I don't know.
I feel like we just
had a breakup conversation.
780
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:51,166
[Kody on TV]
I'm glad we've gone this long
781
00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:54,467
so we can be friends
in the departure.
782
00:36:55,767 --> 00:36:57,667
-I--
-[show pauses]
783
00:36:57,667 --> 00:36:59,500
Were you trying
to like lighten the--
784
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:00,600
-Like, what--
-No.
785
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,166
What were your feelings
in this spot?
786
00:37:02,166 --> 00:37:03,367
Because I thought,
at one point,
787
00:37:03,367 --> 00:37:05,066
you guys were making freaking
bracelets out of weeds.
788
00:37:05,066 --> 00:37:06,400
You're both like looking--
789
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,734
I didn't even know
what's going on.
790
00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:11,367
"We just had
a breakup conversation."
791
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:13,400
We're not looking
at each other.
792
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,266
We're not calling
each other "jackass."
793
00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:19,200
-That was like the calmest.
-But we are having
a breakup conversation.
794
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,567
I'm glad we've gone this long
795
00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:23,934
so that we can be friends
in the departure.
796
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,667
-I don't know--
-[Robyn] Are you even
accepting that?
797
00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:35,100
[laughing]
798
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,867
What else am I
supposed to do with it, Robyn?
799
00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:41,100
You've been doing a
certain thing for a long time.
800
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,567
-I know I have.
-Okay.
801
00:37:43,567 --> 00:37:46,700
[Meri on TV] I'm not gonna
force somebody to be with me
802
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,166
who doesn't wanna be with me.
803
00:37:48,166 --> 00:37:51,000
I'm not gonna make somebody
804
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,700
act how they
don't want to act.
805
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,133
Yeah, I get that.
806
00:37:55,767 --> 00:37:57,667
-I do, but--
-And that's not fair.
807
00:37:57,667 --> 00:37:59,433
-And it's--
-[Kody] Oh, the act is easy.
808
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:04,767
[gasps]
809
00:38:04,767 --> 00:38:06,166
[Kody on TV] The act is easy.
810
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,367
-It's--
-Wait, wait, wait.
811
00:38:11,367 --> 00:38:12,500
There's more.
812
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,333
I'm sorry.
"The act is easy."
813
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,100
-Okay, wait, wait.
There's more.
-Fine, there's more. Great.
814
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,400
The act is obvious.
815
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,800
-Is it really that obvious?
-"The act is easy"?
816
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,100
-Yes.
-What's the act?
817
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,100
What are you saying?
818
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,000
Just performing my duty.
819
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,367
But, look, I was there.
820
00:38:31,367 --> 00:38:33,166
He was involved
in the relationships.
821
00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:35,166
He wasn't just doing duty.
822
00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:36,467
He wasn't being--
823
00:38:36,467 --> 00:38:38,200
You know, he wasn't
changing diapers
824
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,867
and doing all of those things
because it was his duty.
825
00:38:40,867 --> 00:38:42,133
He was engaged
with the family.
826
00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:45,567
But, now, because he's found
a different kind of love
with Robyn,
827
00:38:45,567 --> 00:38:48,100
he's like, "Well,
that was just pretend before.
828
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,800
I was just faking it.
I was just doing my duty."
829
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,000
He's just full of [bleep].
830
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,800
You've got love letters
and all these things.
831
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,767
-And like he... he used
to be a different person.
-Yup.
832
00:38:58,767 --> 00:39:02,600
Yeah, he was. You can--
you can see that
in some of the-- the clips,
833
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,467
you know, the old pictures
that have been
seen in this earlier.
834
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:06,767
-Yeah.
-It's crazy.
835
00:39:07,567 --> 00:39:09,667
And it wasn't an act.
It was performance.
836
00:39:09,667 --> 00:39:12,700
It was performance.
It was doing
what I was supposed to.
837
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,166
-[laughing]
-I'm sorry to call it an act.
838
00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:18,066
Nobody wants to be that.
839
00:39:18,066 --> 00:39:21,600
I think sometimes
he has no clue whatsoever
840
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,266
of the hole that he
constantly digs for himself.
841
00:39:26,266 --> 00:39:28,600
He needs to stop talking.
842
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,100
Yeah, I wonder if he realizes
that there was some of us
843
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,700
who were doing the same thing.
844
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:36,667
He's not the only one
who had to sort of
honor his commitments
845
00:39:36,667 --> 00:39:37,700
and just be there
846
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:40,266
because it was
what you needed to do.
847
00:39:40,266 --> 00:39:43,467
He acts like he's some
put-upon person
848
00:39:43,467 --> 00:39:44,967
who made some
sort of sacrifice.
849
00:39:44,967 --> 00:39:46,100
I'm sorry, buddy.
850
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,367
That's what happens
in a marriage.
851
00:39:47,367 --> 00:39:49,266
When your relationships
are bad,
852
00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:51,367
that's kind of
how everybody feels.
853
00:39:51,367 --> 00:39:53,533
[Robyn]
That's one of the reasons
why I fell in love with him...
854
00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:59,233
is because he loved Meri
and he loved his wives.
855
00:40:00,467 --> 00:40:02,967
As a monogamist,
gotta tell you,
856
00:40:02,967 --> 00:40:05,066
it's weird that someone would
fall in love with somebody
857
00:40:05,066 --> 00:40:07,467
because they love their wives.
858
00:40:07,467 --> 00:40:09,967
So like hearing her say that
as an outsider
859
00:40:09,967 --> 00:40:12,467
-is just really weird. Sorry.
-I can see that.
860
00:40:12,467 --> 00:40:13,667
That makes sense.
861
00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:16,367
[Robyn]
I know he's bitter now,
I know he's struggling,
862
00:40:16,367 --> 00:40:18,467
so he's going into
these weird dark places.
863
00:40:18,467 --> 00:40:21,433
But it just... [exclaims]
864
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,266
So tired of him...
865
00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:28,033
[sighs] ...talking like this.
866
00:40:29,967 --> 00:40:32,166
Was it okay that I was
disputing you
867
00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:34,900
and saying, "That's not true,
what he's saying"?
868
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:36,166
-Well, I--
-It wasn't an act,
869
00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:38,467
'cause I saw you, like--
870
00:40:38,467 --> 00:40:40,100
I know.
I went on our honeymoon,
871
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,467
telling you
everything Meri loved
and what she liked,
872
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:45,266
because I was testing myself,
Robyn.
873
00:40:45,266 --> 00:40:47,166
There's something wrong there.
874
00:40:47,166 --> 00:40:49,166
There was something wrong
a long time ago.
875
00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:50,567
And you thought it was...
876
00:40:50,567 --> 00:40:53,100
You thought it was
that I was so attuned
877
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,166
and attentive to my wives.
878
00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:58,867
And the fact of the matter was
is-- is that I was...
879
00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:03,934
reacting to
a bad emotional state.
880
00:41:06,867 --> 00:41:08,533
And I thought it was love.
881
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,467
See?
882
00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:14,066
See? There's the truth.
883
00:41:14,066 --> 00:41:15,567
So I'm just as guilty.
884
00:41:15,567 --> 00:41:16,567
Of?
885
00:41:16,567 --> 00:41:17,967
Thinking that I was in love
886
00:41:17,967 --> 00:41:20,200
and trying to work
all that mess out.
887
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,467
Okay. So when you say
that was just a performance
and it was just an act...
888
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,000
I was trying to do what
the right thing was, Robyn.
889
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,767
But you thought it was love.
890
00:41:27,767 --> 00:41:29,367
-Felt love.
-And I thought it was
the right thing.
891
00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:31,867
Right. But you felt
and thought it was love.
892
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,233
-Yeah.
-Okay.
893
00:41:38,467 --> 00:41:41,467
I'm willing to fake
being in love with Meri,
894
00:41:41,467 --> 00:41:43,200
doing my duties
as a husband,
895
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,367
sort of putting up with things
that frustrate me so deeply
896
00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:50,533
that, uh...
I struggle to be around her.
897
00:41:50,767 --> 00:41:51,934
I...
898
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,467
If I need to
for the sake of...
899
00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:01,367
[scoffs] ...whatever...
900
00:42:01,367 --> 00:42:04,233
[Kody on TV] ...I don't know,
I just fake through this.
901
00:42:05,867 --> 00:42:07,166
[sighs]
902
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,967
I really don't believe
he's in a good place.
903
00:42:10,967 --> 00:42:12,100
Like, I really don't.
904
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:16,400
And so to have the world
of social media bashing him--
905
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,867
yeah, and you're gonna bash me
for backing him up here,
906
00:42:18,867 --> 00:42:20,667
and that's fine, whatever,
907
00:42:20,667 --> 00:42:22,567
-like, I'm--
-It's hard not to--
908
00:42:22,567 --> 00:42:24,600
I'm backing up somebody
who's really hurting,
909
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,300
somebody who is in pain.
910
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,767
He needs to
just encapsulate this
911
00:42:29,767 --> 00:42:31,100
and make him realize
912
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,266
that everything
that he's saying here
913
00:42:33,266 --> 00:42:36,266
is why he doesn't have
a good relationship
914
00:42:36,266 --> 00:42:37,734
with all of his children,
915
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:39,600
why I've left,
916
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,767
why Janelle's leaving.
917
00:42:41,767 --> 00:42:44,600
We're all leaving 'cause
we've been a "duty,"
918
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,767
he's been "acting"
and "performing."
919
00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:51,767
He is the reason
his relationship with Meri
is over.
920
00:42:51,767 --> 00:42:53,767
He wants it to be over.
921
00:42:53,767 --> 00:42:55,000
He's not saying it.
922
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,700
Man up. Man the [bleep] up.
923
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,300
I'm so over this.
924
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,333
I know that you don't feel...
925
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,834
or consider yourself
married to me.
926
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:18,100
This is the agreement
you required of me
927
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,233
in order to get married.
928
00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:25,734
This agreement
that I gave you,
929
00:43:26,367 --> 00:43:28,734
our sacred covenant...
930
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,200
was if I'm ever
not in love with you,
931
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,100
I won't just sit there
932
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,367
and be in a pathetic place
with you.
933
00:43:38,367 --> 00:43:40,166
That's a really weird thing
to promise
934
00:43:40,166 --> 00:43:41,567
when you go into
a relationship.
935
00:43:41,567 --> 00:43:42,967
That's really weird.
936
00:43:42,967 --> 00:43:44,567
I don't think he's tellin'
the whole thing.
937
00:43:44,567 --> 00:43:46,166
I mean, maybe he is.
938
00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,367
Maybe their relationship
is that superficial.
939
00:43:48,367 --> 00:43:51,000
Because, I'm sorry,
you fall in and out of love
940
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,467
many times in a relationship.
941
00:43:52,467 --> 00:43:54,967
Like, I feel like something
else had to have happened.
942
00:43:54,967 --> 00:43:57,266
Like, was he already
complaining to her,
943
00:43:57,266 --> 00:44:00,900
premarriage, about
his relationship with like you
944
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:02,367
or Janelle or Christine?
945
00:44:02,367 --> 00:44:03,700
And that was like--
And Chris--
946
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,500
And Robyn's like, "Well,
if this happens with us,
947
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,400
-like, promise me
you won't just"--
-Oh, my gosh.
948
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,233
-Are you serious? I never--
-Maybe I'm overthinking.
949
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,166
But that doesn't mean
the marriage is over.
950
00:44:21,166 --> 00:44:23,367
So, I understand
what he's saying
951
00:44:23,367 --> 00:44:25,800
and I'm glad that
he's saying it finally to me.
952
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,767
You don't-- you wanna
be done with me?
953
00:44:27,767 --> 00:44:29,634
You tell me
that you're done with me.
954
00:44:30,266 --> 00:44:33,066
And, at the same time,
955
00:44:33,066 --> 00:44:36,233
it kind of bothers me
that he's telling Robyn...
956
00:44:37,767 --> 00:44:40,100
"I made this agreement
with you.
957
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:42,533
And so now I'm gonna
put it on Meri, too."
958
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,433
[Robyn crying]
959
00:44:53,266 --> 00:44:55,367
[sighs]
This isn't what I want.
960
00:44:55,367 --> 00:44:57,233
[Meri] It's not what I want
either, Robyn.
961
00:44:58,667 --> 00:45:00,400
It's not what I want.
962
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,433
[Kody] It's not
what I wanted either.
963
00:45:06,567 --> 00:45:08,867
[pretend vomiting]
964
00:45:08,867 --> 00:45:09,867
Really? Really?
965
00:45:09,867 --> 00:45:11,100
[continues pretend vomiting]
966
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,033
Okay, I'm fine.
967
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,166
It is what he wants.
He ends--
968
00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:18,533
Oh, God. Okay,
just keep going please.
969
00:45:21,166 --> 00:45:23,100
Whoo!
970
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:24,667
[all cheering]
971
00:45:24,667 --> 00:45:25,767
-I think--
-No.
972
00:45:25,767 --> 00:45:29,667
I think the world could have
seen less of that.
973
00:45:29,667 --> 00:45:30,700
That's so Kody.
974
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,467
I don't understand
what she doesn't understand.
975
00:45:33,467 --> 00:45:36,100
When you monopolize a man
in plural marriage,
976
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,867
that's a breakup
waiting to happen.
977
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,734
Oh, this is just torture.
978
00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:57,934
This appears to be the end
of our plural marriage.
979
00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:06,667
I hate, legit,
how many people hug
980
00:46:06,667 --> 00:46:09,767
at the end of
their breakup conversation.
981
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,567
A high five would have
been more appropriate.
982
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,233
This is probably
the most action
983
00:46:15,233 --> 00:46:16,934
she's gotten from him
in years.
984
00:46:20,266 --> 00:46:21,367
[Kody] This is goodbye.
985
00:46:21,367 --> 00:46:27,734
And we've agreed now,
and I hope she finds peace.
986
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,333
'Cause I will.
987
00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:38,667
'Cause I already have peace.
So I hope Meri finds it.
988
00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:40,233
God, what an ass.
989
00:46:41,734 --> 00:46:44,033
[Robyn] I always wanted
to live plural marriage.
990
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:47,100
I will just...
991
00:46:47,867 --> 00:46:50,033
continue to spend time
on my knees,
992
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,066
looking for peace and answers.
993
00:46:54,066 --> 00:46:57,467
[crying] I'm looking
at that mountain
994
00:46:57,467 --> 00:47:00,533
and I'm thinking about
when we came here.
995
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,667
[all cheering]
996
00:47:03,567 --> 00:47:05,166
Oh, my God!
997
00:47:05,166 --> 00:47:07,934
[all cheering]
998
00:47:07,934 --> 00:47:09,133
[all laughing]
999
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:10,500
[Kody on TV] Whoo!
1000
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,567
Whoo!
1001
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,834
Whoo!
1002
00:47:17,266 --> 00:47:18,300
-I think--
-No.
1003
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,300
I think the world could have
seen less of that.
1004
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:23,567
That's so Kody.
1005
00:47:24,367 --> 00:47:26,867
And we chose,
all of us chose.
1006
00:47:26,867 --> 00:47:29,467
We were so in love
with this property
1007
00:47:29,467 --> 00:47:31,433
and being together out here.
1008
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,834
I wanted to sit on a porch
with my sister wives
1009
00:47:41,934 --> 00:47:44,567
here on this property...
1010
00:47:44,567 --> 00:47:48,867
[sobbing] ...with our kids
and our grandkids.
1011
00:47:48,867 --> 00:47:50,467
I think Kody should have been
able to lock up
1012
00:47:50,467 --> 00:47:52,567
to what it was required
in being a plural husband.
1013
00:47:52,567 --> 00:47:54,033
I'm just gonna say that.
1014
00:47:54,033 --> 00:47:55,467
And--
1015
00:47:55,467 --> 00:47:58,100
and Kody running around
like he does
1016
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,567
and just look
at that mountain together
1017
00:48:00,567 --> 00:48:05,567
and having a family.
I don't understand.
1018
00:48:05,567 --> 00:48:08,333
[crying] I don't understand.
1019
00:48:08,834 --> 00:48:09,934
[sobbing]
1020
00:48:11,367 --> 00:48:14,133
I don't understand
what she doesn't understand.
1021
00:48:14,133 --> 00:48:17,367
When you monopolize a man
in plural marriage,
1022
00:48:17,367 --> 00:48:20,600
and you make him believe
that he's...
1023
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,667
the most awesome, incredible,
wonderful man
1024
00:48:22,667 --> 00:48:24,967
so he never wants
to leave your house,
1025
00:48:24,967 --> 00:48:28,867
um, and we've got a guy
who has a favorite,
1026
00:48:28,867 --> 00:48:30,900
who never leaves your house,
1027
00:48:31,467 --> 00:48:33,367
that's not a plural family.
1028
00:48:33,367 --> 00:48:35,367
That's a breakup
waiting to happen.
1029
00:48:35,367 --> 00:48:39,000
Sorry.
The responsibility of this
is really on Kody's shoulders,
1030
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,100
not Robyn's.
1031
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,867
He could have done it
if he had chosen to
1032
00:48:42,867 --> 00:48:44,867
honor his commitments
and his covenants
1033
00:48:44,867 --> 00:48:48,166
and grow and had been able
to be a husband to all,
1034
00:48:48,166 --> 00:48:49,667
equally, fairly,
1035
00:48:49,667 --> 00:48:51,967
not show favoritism,
not having a favorite wife,
1036
00:48:51,967 --> 00:48:53,300
not having somebody
who's loyal
1037
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,767
so therefore he's, you know,
whatever,
1038
00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:58,133
a guy--
"I'm loyal to her,"
1039
00:48:58,133 --> 00:48:59,367
and it just...
1040
00:48:59,367 --> 00:49:00,200
yeah.
1041
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,667
And that's how this season
goes out.
1042
00:49:17,133 --> 00:49:19,033
I do feel bad. Like...
1043
00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:23,467
-like, she's so upset.
And you think, like...
-Yeah.
1044
00:49:23,467 --> 00:49:27,166
...all of you,
like the excitement when
you guys got the property,
1045
00:49:27,166 --> 00:49:29,600
like, I was so excited for you
because it was
1046
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,233
-"Here's to a new beginning."
-Yup.
1047
00:49:31,233 --> 00:49:33,166
-That was part of it.
-'Cause that's what he said.
1048
00:49:33,166 --> 00:49:35,066
Exactly, and I will
always go back to that
1049
00:49:35,066 --> 00:49:37,166
because it was such a thing.
1050
00:49:37,166 --> 00:49:39,133
And, like, I was like,
"Okay, she's gonna have--
1051
00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:41,867
you guys, she's gonna have
like a new chance.
1052
00:49:41,867 --> 00:49:43,500
He's going to change.
1053
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:45,000
He made that promise.
1054
00:49:45,767 --> 00:49:47,367
And...
1055
00:49:47,367 --> 00:49:49,667
now, like,
Meri doesn't get that,
1056
00:49:49,667 --> 00:49:51,300
Christine doesn't have that,
1057
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:52,467
Janelle doesn't have that,
1058
00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:53,934
Robyn doesn't have that.
1059
00:49:53,934 --> 00:49:55,934
-And I think like
the only person...
-Yup.
1060
00:49:55,934 --> 00:49:57,967
who's okay with that right now
1061
00:49:57,967 --> 00:49:59,166
is Kody.
1062
00:49:59,166 --> 00:50:00,934
Yeah, I think so too.
1063
00:50:01,266 --> 00:50:04,400
[reading post]
1064
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,000
-Amen.
-I agree.
1065
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,100
My blood pressure is way high.
1066
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,066
I don't feel well.
I'm sick to my stomach.
1067
00:50:11,066 --> 00:50:12,500
That is it.
1068
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,533
Finale of...
1069
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:17,467
another marriage.
1070
00:50:17,467 --> 00:50:20,734
All right, guys.
It was kind of, uh,
an interesting experience
1071
00:50:20,734 --> 00:50:22,033
to sit here with you.
1072
00:50:22,767 --> 00:50:24,266
I never wanna do that again.
1073
00:50:24,266 --> 00:50:26,667
-No, that was hard.
It's hard to see...
-Yucky.
1074
00:50:26,667 --> 00:50:27,767
...our experiences.
1075
00:50:27,767 --> 00:50:30,033
These are the hardest days
of our lives.
1076
00:50:34,266 --> 00:50:36,367
-Oh.
-Would you like
to answer this question?
1077
00:50:36,367 --> 00:50:37,867
Gabrielle asks...
1078
00:50:37,867 --> 00:50:41,166
[Jenn reading post]
1079
00:50:41,166 --> 00:50:42,867
-Yes, I will...
-Yes.
1080
00:50:42,867 --> 00:50:44,667
-...eventually.
-Yes.
1081
00:50:44,667 --> 00:50:47,734
At least
taller than you, right?
1082
00:50:47,734 --> 00:50:49,600
Oh, yeah. I would like
somebody tall.
1083
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,567
We'll just put some
little details out there.
1084
00:50:51,567 --> 00:50:53,967
-Okay. Go ahead.
-Yeah. Kind eyes.
1085
00:50:53,967 --> 00:50:55,734
Mmm-hmm. What else?
1086
00:50:55,734 --> 00:50:56,867
A pilot.