1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,266 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,266 --> 00:00:04,600 Kody and I are officially done. 3 00:00:05,467 --> 00:00:08,867 I'm upset that I was neglected and abandoned, 4 00:00:08,867 --> 00:00:11,266 and the story that he's been telling. 5 00:00:11,266 --> 00:00:14,066 He's a slob and I'll leave him. [laughs] 6 00:00:14,066 --> 00:00:17,233 He's gonna be so mad at me in this interview, 7 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:20,634 and I'm kind of not giving a flying rat's ass. 8 00:00:21,266 --> 00:00:22,200 [Ysabel] Hello, Mama. 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,934 Ysabel's going to be moving to Salt Lake. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,667 Not with me. She's made it very clear. 11 00:00:26,667 --> 00:00:29,567 -I think this one qualifies as heavy. -[laughs] 12 00:00:29,567 --> 00:00:32,166 The kids don't have a great relationship with Kody. 13 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:34,567 Not all the wives have a good relationship with each other, 14 00:00:34,567 --> 00:00:37,033 so that's why I wouldn't say it's a plural family. 15 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:40,800 I would say that what Janelle and I have is a sister wife family. 16 00:00:42,667 --> 00:00:44,467 Mykelti's pregnant with twins, 17 00:00:44,467 --> 00:00:46,767 and so we have to have a party to celebrate that. 18 00:00:46,767 --> 00:00:49,433 Hola, mi bambina. 19 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,567 Mykelti's like, "Dad and Robyn are here." 20 00:00:51,567 --> 00:00:52,800 I'm like, "Okay, okay." 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,533 And this little piggy went "Hoo, hoo, hoo, hee, hee, hee." 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,567 I'm not gonna necessarily say hi. 23 00:00:57,567 --> 00:01:00,634 That would mean I was gonna be friendly, 24 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:02,934 and I'm not. 25 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,700 The divorce has put me in... 26 00:01:06,367 --> 00:01:09,166 I'll be honest, a pretty dark place. 27 00:01:09,166 --> 00:01:10,533 [tense music playing] 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,767 Just the failure of the experience 29 00:01:12,767 --> 00:01:14,333 that was everything. 30 00:01:17,667 --> 00:01:19,233 All my goals. 31 00:01:20,967 --> 00:01:24,367 [Meri] I kind of suspect that he's gonna wake up 32 00:01:24,367 --> 00:01:28,967 one day and be like, "Wow, what the hell did I just do?" 33 00:01:28,967 --> 00:01:30,734 He's gonna be accountable for that. 34 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,100 Whether he likes it or not. 35 00:01:35,166 --> 00:01:38,400 [theme music playing] 36 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:58,500 [upbeat music playing] 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,734 Are you ready? 38 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:10,867 So we just finished moving Ysabel to Salt Lake. 39 00:02:10,867 --> 00:02:12,367 We got her into her new apartment. 40 00:02:12,367 --> 00:02:16,266 Maddie is six months pregnant and she was using her big SUV 41 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:19,166 to pull the trailer of stuff. 42 00:02:19,166 --> 00:02:21,166 Maddie and Caleb have talked about coming west. 43 00:02:21,166 --> 00:02:24,066 We've been dreaming about buying a piece of property. 44 00:02:24,066 --> 00:02:27,066 As we were driving across, we found a couple of listings for property 45 00:02:27,066 --> 00:02:28,834 that's not very far from Salt Lake. 46 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:32,100 So Maddie and I and the grandbabies are gonna go up and look at it. 47 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:34,367 Thank you, Julie, for letting me sleep in your room. 48 00:02:34,367 --> 00:02:35,634 You're welcome. 49 00:02:35,634 --> 00:02:38,667 When Janelle and I were in Idaho together visiting my brothers 50 00:02:38,667 --> 00:02:41,834 on the way back, Maddie and Caleb started looking at property 51 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:45,934 and sending her pictures and calling Janelle on the phone. 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,900 And I listened to all of it. 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,233 Basically, if Maddie and Caleb end up buying property, 54 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:55,066 then Janelle was talking about moving with them. 55 00:02:55,066 --> 00:02:57,233 -Have a safe drive. -Thank you. 56 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:59,834 -You bet. True. -Have fun taking Truely to school. 57 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:03,467 So I'm like, "So, are you, like, leaving Kody?" 58 00:03:03,467 --> 00:03:06,433 That kind of... She's like, "Well, yeah, yeah." The woman doesn't share much. 59 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:08,166 I don't want to overstep or anything like that. 60 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:09,166 I do want to overstep. 61 00:03:09,166 --> 00:03:12,066 But I really reigned it back because I'm like, 62 00:03:12,066 --> 00:03:14,266 "That's a lot of information." 63 00:03:14,266 --> 00:03:16,367 [country music playing] 64 00:03:16,367 --> 00:03:18,834 Kody and I are not in communication. 65 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:21,867 Our relationship is over, but we both still live in Flagstaff. 66 00:03:21,867 --> 00:03:23,567 Yeah, there's not been an official divorce. 67 00:03:23,567 --> 00:03:26,166 I don't know how to get one, and I don't need one. 68 00:03:26,166 --> 00:03:27,567 I'm already like, I'm already count-- 69 00:03:27,567 --> 00:03:31,166 Like I'm counting myself into this already. [laughs] 70 00:03:31,166 --> 00:03:33,000 But that's the plan, I guess, right? 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,767 I was like, "Aren't we buying it together?" 72 00:03:34,767 --> 00:03:36,066 Yes, we are. 73 00:03:36,066 --> 00:03:37,767 Like, I have this piece in Flagstaff. 74 00:03:37,767 --> 00:03:40,467 Well, I don't know if I really have it, 75 00:03:40,467 --> 00:03:43,433 -because... -Yeah, what's going on there? 76 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:44,467 It's not paid off yet. 77 00:03:44,467 --> 00:03:48,533 The note is due in about... Mmm, six months. 78 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,834 And they keep asking your dad and he's like, "I'm not gonna 79 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:53,567 make a plan till blah." And then it's like, "I'm not going to make a plan 80 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:54,634 till blah," 81 00:03:54,634 --> 00:03:57,867 So the first two-acre lot right now is Kody and I. 82 00:03:57,867 --> 00:03:59,867 The second two-acre lot is Kody and Robyn. 83 00:03:59,867 --> 00:04:05,367 The third is a four-acre lot, and it's Meri, myself and Kody. 84 00:04:05,367 --> 00:04:06,867 And then the five-acre lot, 85 00:04:06,867 --> 00:04:09,567 because Christine quitclaimed it, is Kody and Robyn. 86 00:04:09,567 --> 00:04:10,734 Robyn's got her house. 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,133 Christine had her house. 88 00:04:12,133 --> 00:04:15,934 Meri has built a business, but she didn't use family money. 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,433 She built that herself. 90 00:04:17,433 --> 00:04:21,867 So she and I are both, like... This represents basically the only asset 91 00:04:21,867 --> 00:04:24,133 we would be taking from the marriage. 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,767 So what happens if you don't make the note? 93 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:30,500 He, I mean, technically, the guy can take back the entire purchase. 94 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,133 Which is idiotic. I'm sure your... 95 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,266 I'm sure your dad's gonna... wanna pay that off, right? 96 00:04:37,266 --> 00:04:38,900 I mean... 97 00:04:39,667 --> 00:04:42,767 That's how the... how it's written. 98 00:04:42,767 --> 00:04:46,967 The rest of our property is collateral, um, for the note. 99 00:04:46,967 --> 00:04:51,867 It's insane to me that Kody is not taking this more seriously. 100 00:04:51,867 --> 00:04:53,967 Well, Janelle asks me about the property all the time, 101 00:04:53,967 --> 00:04:55,834 but I don't trust her anymore. 102 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:57,734 And so I don't give her any information. 103 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,266 We will pay off the property when the time comes. 104 00:05:01,266 --> 00:05:05,767 And I'm not giving you any details about what I'm doing or whatever, 105 00:05:05,767 --> 00:05:10,767 because I'm tired of disclosing information that goes through 106 00:05:10,767 --> 00:05:14,367 the gossip mill of our broken family. 107 00:05:14,367 --> 00:05:16,166 He leaks like a sieve. 108 00:05:16,166 --> 00:05:19,166 He told me stuff about his other relationships and his other wives 109 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:22,233 that I was like, "I don't think you're supposed to be telling me that." 110 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:23,767 -I don't know. -Is he having interest? 111 00:05:23,767 --> 00:05:25,834 Robyn's sitting on the house. 112 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:27,734 -What are they gonna do with that property? -They say they wanna... 113 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,934 They say they want... 114 00:05:28,934 --> 00:05:31,634 They say they want to build out there. I don't know. 115 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:32,667 Here's the thing. 116 00:05:32,667 --> 00:05:34,433 I don't know if I... 117 00:05:35,467 --> 00:05:37,567 really want to be next-door neighbors with them. 118 00:05:37,567 --> 00:05:39,000 -I... -Oh, yeah. No, I wouldn't. 119 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,233 I would be great being neighbors with Janelle or Meri or even Christine, 120 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:45,834 to be honest, um... 121 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:47,667 I still have hopes for Meri and Kody 122 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:50,834 and definitely with Janelle and Kody. 123 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:57,133 I see it highly unlikely that I would ever build on the property. 124 00:05:57,867 --> 00:06:00,066 I mean, I'm kind of in the middle of this 125 00:06:01,567 --> 00:06:04,667 separation from Kody and from the family. 126 00:06:04,667 --> 00:06:07,900 And doesn't make sense that I would end up building out there. 127 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,467 [Kody scoffs] We're never going to be neighbors. 128 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:13,934 Christine and I are never going to be neighbors. 129 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,734 Meri, I don't think she would build on Coyote Pass. 130 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,533 She's always said, "I'm part of this, part of this," 131 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,634 but, nah, I don't believe she's going to. 132 00:06:19,634 --> 00:06:22,000 Janelle, I think, would build on Coyote Pass. 133 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,467 And if Janelle builds on Coyote Pass, 134 00:06:23,467 --> 00:06:25,433 then I've got to decide if I'm going to be neighbors 135 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:28,667 with somebody who pretty much just said I'm done with you. 136 00:06:28,667 --> 00:06:31,700 Your dad always has this weird way... 137 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:37,934 -And give you... And then you would take some. -I would want four acres, 138 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 -and we would sell it. -Yeah. 139 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,533 If that were to happen, 140 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,033 if somehow we came in and bought the debt, 141 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,934 we would make sure Meri got her share and Robyn and Kody could take 142 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,867 what was left because all the family money helped buy the house that Robyn's in, 143 00:06:50,867 --> 00:06:54,333 and they have an extra lot there, so I feel like that's kind of fair. 144 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,767 I will always pretty much want what's fair, 145 00:06:56,767 --> 00:07:02,433 and I feel like Meri has been treated very badly by Kody for years. 146 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:05,133 And I just want to make sure that that doesn't carry forward 147 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,233 into this property division. 148 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:11,033 That would get you some of the money back that you put in for Robyn's equity. 149 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:13,333 Yeah, I know. 150 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,033 Back in the day. 151 00:07:15,033 --> 00:07:17,767 Our family used to run... we would use all the resources to help one person, 152 00:07:17,767 --> 00:07:20,667 then we would all rally to support the other person. 153 00:07:20,667 --> 00:07:22,634 That's how it always worked. 154 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,567 Until the last ten years or so. 155 00:07:24,567 --> 00:07:25,700 And all of sudden it's been about, 156 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:28,000 well, my estate and everybody needs their own estate. 157 00:07:29,266 --> 00:07:34,533 [Robyn] The whole plan at that point, was for that home, my home, 158 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,467 to be kind of an asset for the family. 159 00:07:37,467 --> 00:07:40,367 Eventually, when I'm built out on the property. 160 00:07:40,367 --> 00:07:44,467 It was never supposed to end up being something that was just mine. 161 00:07:44,467 --> 00:07:46,333 When I put the money into the house, I said, 162 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,066 "Well, I think it would be fair if all of our names 163 00:07:48,066 --> 00:07:50,467 were on the the mortgage," and he's like," No, no, 164 00:07:50,467 --> 00:07:52,867 we need to protect, you know... protect Robyn's estate. 165 00:07:52,867 --> 00:07:53,967 She needs to have it 166 00:07:53,967 --> 00:07:55,967 so it's hers. And so it's ours." 167 00:07:55,967 --> 00:07:58,367 So with me leaving or trying to go somewhere 168 00:07:58,367 --> 00:08:01,967 and do something different, I want my value of the property, 169 00:08:01,967 --> 00:08:05,166 and I'd like to recoup some of the money I put into Robyn's house. 170 00:08:05,166 --> 00:08:10,533 I mean, it's like we were working together for so long and we didn't 171 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,867 actually stop working together until, you know, just recently. 172 00:08:15,867 --> 00:08:20,367 When Janelle's bringing up, oh, that Kody and I owe her something. 173 00:08:20,367 --> 00:08:22,834 It's like, how do you... 174 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:24,934 How do you calculate, how do you figure that out? 175 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,300 It's so confusing. 176 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:29,734 I think it's ridiculous you haven't paid off that property yet. 177 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,567 -Your dad's typical. -How does he not have the money to pay it? 178 00:08:32,567 --> 00:08:34,467 Because he says we had all these other debts, 179 00:08:34,467 --> 00:08:36,433 -but yet I've watched-- -What other debts? 180 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:43,000 I've watched him add enough, like he keeps buying assets that he sits on. 181 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,567 Trailers and blah, blah and blah, blah, blah. 182 00:08:46,567 --> 00:08:48,100 I see all the art on their walls. 183 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:49,934 I see all these things and that's fine. 184 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,667 They can... I have money, and I've spent it on things, too. 185 00:08:52,667 --> 00:08:54,567 [Kody] Janelle took care of her household. 186 00:08:54,567 --> 00:08:56,233 Christine took care of her household. 187 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:57,467 Robyn took care of her household. 188 00:08:57,467 --> 00:08:59,166 Meri took care of her household. 189 00:08:59,166 --> 00:09:03,533 Then I focused mostly on, sort of getting the cars for the kids, 190 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,734 you know, basically had a fleet, insuring the cars for the kids. 191 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,133 Kody and Robyn shared everything. 192 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,266 They shared the house payments. 193 00:09:10,266 --> 00:09:13,100 They shared the utilities, they shared everything. 194 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,533 I don't know how it worked at Robyn's house. I don't know. 195 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,333 But I used to always be surprised at how nice her backyard was. 196 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,266 It was completely finished and there was always, like, stuff at her house, 197 00:09:23,266 --> 00:09:24,567 and I'm like, "Wow, huh." 198 00:09:24,567 --> 00:09:26,567 Kody and my money have... 199 00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:31,767 has always been separate up until Christine and Janelle chose 200 00:09:31,767 --> 00:09:34,967 and asked to be out of the family financially. 201 00:09:34,967 --> 00:09:36,934 I used to be not so great with money. 202 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,433 When I was young, I had hard knocks. 203 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:41,767 And then I learned, during my divorce, 204 00:09:41,767 --> 00:09:45,767 really how to budget myself very, very well. 205 00:09:45,767 --> 00:09:49,066 You just must have had a different priority 206 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:52,467 of where your money was going to go than I did. That's all. 207 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:57,166 Like he doesn't prioritize what I need or what I want, you know? 208 00:09:57,166 --> 00:09:58,433 Yeah. 209 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:01,533 I think after a while I began to see it, 210 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,934 and my kids were getting very angry about it. 211 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:04,667 Like my adult children. 212 00:10:04,667 --> 00:10:06,567 Like, "What the hell, Mom?" 213 00:10:06,567 --> 00:10:11,266 [Kody] There's a lot of misguided jealousy here, a lot of trash talk. 214 00:10:11,266 --> 00:10:12,667 Is it true? 215 00:10:12,667 --> 00:10:14,767 Well, some of it probably is. 216 00:10:14,767 --> 00:10:17,300 But most of it's not. 217 00:10:19,066 --> 00:10:21,066 [Janelle] Kody really did, sort of, kind of 218 00:10:21,066 --> 00:10:23,567 cut off communication with Caleb and Maddie 219 00:10:23,567 --> 00:10:26,333 when the family started to really dissolve, 220 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,867 and the kids really don't know who he is. 221 00:10:27,867 --> 00:10:30,000 He's not been out to visit, he doesn't call. 222 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,834 I have encouraged Kody 223 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:36,967 to work any relationship out that he can with his kids, 224 00:10:36,967 --> 00:10:39,567 but I guess it's been a two way street. 225 00:10:39,567 --> 00:10:43,033 Maddie hasn't been reaching out to her dad, either. 226 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:45,266 Maddie is mama bear to an extreme. 227 00:10:45,266 --> 00:10:47,667 She has felt like until he can be consistent 228 00:10:47,667 --> 00:10:48,934 and show up 229 00:10:48,934 --> 00:10:52,166 and not be dramatic, that she feels like it's probably better 230 00:10:52,166 --> 00:10:54,066 if they don't know about him. 231 00:10:54,066 --> 00:10:55,667 And Maddie and Caleb don't really have 232 00:10:55,667 --> 00:10:58,433 much relationship with him because he doesn't call them. 233 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:02,000 I do think it's smart for you to move away from Flagstaff. 234 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,767 To be honest with you, I didn't really cut off communications with Madison. 235 00:11:04,767 --> 00:11:06,266 She cut them off with me. 236 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:08,033 Every time I talked to her, 237 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,767 it was a fish for gossip. 238 00:11:10,767 --> 00:11:12,133 And I got tired of it. 239 00:11:17,567 --> 00:11:19,467 [Toni] Are you gonna make mud pies? 240 00:11:19,467 --> 00:11:20,533 [Janelle] I love this property. 241 00:11:20,533 --> 00:11:23,367 It's like everything that we had wanted in a piece. 242 00:11:23,367 --> 00:11:25,033 Maddie, look how big this property is. 243 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:26,200 It goes clear back. 244 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,567 [Christine] Where do I need to throw my support? 245 00:11:28,567 --> 00:11:29,967 Get out of Flagstaff. 246 00:11:29,967 --> 00:11:31,734 Move in with Maddie. 247 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,333 [Robyn] If Janelle were to move, it would devastate me. 248 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,266 I don't know how to let this all go, and I am not 249 00:11:37,266 --> 00:11:38,834 letting go of Janelle. 250 00:11:39,767 --> 00:11:41,200 [upbeat music playing] 251 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,767 As Maddie and I were coming across country 252 00:11:49,767 --> 00:11:52,000 with Ysabel to come back to Salt Lake. 253 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,367 Maddie was just looking up property, 254 00:11:54,367 --> 00:11:56,233 and we found this and we were like, 255 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:58,667 "Oh, we need to see this property." 256 00:11:58,667 --> 00:12:00,967 And so we started making phone calls. [laughs] 257 00:12:00,967 --> 00:12:03,467 The real estate agent, she was amazing. 258 00:12:03,467 --> 00:12:05,367 She'd agreed to meet us, so. 259 00:12:05,367 --> 00:12:08,634 -Hi, I'm Maddie. -Hi! 260 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:09,967 Hi, Maddie. I'm Toni. 261 00:12:09,967 --> 00:12:11,867 -Nice to meet you, Toni. -You, too! 262 00:12:11,867 --> 00:12:14,667 This location is really great because it's about five hours 263 00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:16,867 from Christine and her children in the Salt Lake area. 264 00:12:16,867 --> 00:12:19,767 So that's really good, because that's really the core group of the family. 265 00:12:19,767 --> 00:12:22,567 There's no contact, really, with Meri or Robyn or Kody. 266 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:26,033 I don't really foresee that's gonna change much. 267 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:27,467 Now the creek 268 00:12:27,467 --> 00:12:28,734 -feeds the ranch. -Oh, wow, it's running. 269 00:12:28,734 --> 00:12:32,667 -Oh, yes, this is a year round creek. -[Janelle] Year round. 270 00:12:32,667 --> 00:12:35,333 This part of Montana is just beautiful. 271 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,634 There's a big river that runs through here. 272 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:39,667 And there's a lake that's not far away 273 00:12:39,667 --> 00:12:42,367 and I just think it's wonderful, 274 00:12:42,367 --> 00:12:44,734 So, the lot starts here. 275 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,100 -At the road, goes all the way back to that fence line there. -[Janelle] Okay. 276 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:52,033 We'll see the far end down there. 277 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:57,100 Yeah, you know, it's really hard to visualize what 40 acres looks like. 278 00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:00,567 You know you're used to seeing half an acre or an acre, 279 00:13:00,567 --> 00:13:02,467 maybe in a residential area. 280 00:13:02,467 --> 00:13:06,867 But when you take 40 and there's nothing on it, it's a pretty big space. 281 00:13:06,867 --> 00:13:09,467 [Toni] Are you gonna make mud pies? 282 00:13:09,467 --> 00:13:11,934 I love this property, and I know Maddie does, too. 283 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 It's like everything that we had wanted in a piece. 284 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,266 We're not farmers, we're not ranchers, 285 00:13:17,266 --> 00:13:19,467 but we want to live that rural lifestyle. 286 00:13:19,467 --> 00:13:22,900 A couple animals, maybe a green house. 287 00:13:24,166 --> 00:13:25,467 Pretty basic. 288 00:13:25,467 --> 00:13:27,133 Maddie, look how big this property is. 289 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,734 It goes clear back. 290 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:29,700 [Maddie] I know. 291 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:31,433 [Janelle] So the price is really good. 292 00:13:31,433 --> 00:13:38,567 The biggest thing is, it is 40 minutes from "town," which is about 1,000 people. 293 00:13:38,567 --> 00:13:42,000 But it would mean that we would have to take the kids to school. 294 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,166 Like, it sounds all great. 295 00:13:43,166 --> 00:13:44,000 Forty minutes, no big deal. 296 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,567 But when you're running back and forth 297 00:13:45,567 --> 00:13:48,667 every single day, it's just a little bit outside 298 00:13:48,667 --> 00:13:52,467 of the range of what's probably doable. 299 00:13:52,467 --> 00:13:55,200 [Maddie] Oh, they got out and ran and ran and ran. 300 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:57,867 [Robyn] If Janelle were to move, it would devastate me. 301 00:13:57,867 --> 00:14:00,066 I don't know how to let this all go, 302 00:14:00,066 --> 00:14:02,567 and I am not letting go of Janelle. 303 00:14:02,567 --> 00:14:06,166 They could still work it out and we could still be a family. 304 00:14:06,166 --> 00:14:09,767 That's how I see this. 305 00:14:09,767 --> 00:14:12,367 And I feel like I'm kind of the idiot that just won't get it. 306 00:14:12,367 --> 00:14:13,800 But I don't know how to let it go. 307 00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:16,667 -Okay. -[Axel] Are we going in there? 308 00:14:16,667 --> 00:14:18,834 -Come here, get in. -[Janelle] Come on, Axel. 309 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:21,567 [Kody] When Maddie and Caleb were living with us in Las Vegas, 310 00:14:21,567 --> 00:14:25,266 that was the best time of my life. 311 00:14:25,266 --> 00:14:28,333 -[somber music playing] -We had the four homes together. 312 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,166 Everything was going along smoothly, 313 00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:31,667 Maddie and Caleb were around, 314 00:14:31,667 --> 00:14:33,767 and it was great having them around. 315 00:14:33,767 --> 00:14:35,033 And I loved Caleb. 316 00:14:35,667 --> 00:14:37,767 He was definitely like family. 317 00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:40,066 You know, things started to fall apart with the divorce, 318 00:14:40,066 --> 00:14:44,734 and then with my differences with Janelle and the differences over COVID, 319 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,333 it just made all those relationships go sour. 320 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,734 [Christine] Kody's allegations are absolutely ridiculous. 321 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,166 All the kids that were frustrated, were frustrated way before I left. 322 00:14:55,166 --> 00:14:59,367 My leaving didn't change his kids' relationship with him. 323 00:14:59,367 --> 00:15:03,233 Kody can still fix his relationships with his children. 324 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:09,767 [Kody] I'm so angry about how I've been treated that I haven't gotten past that. 325 00:15:09,767 --> 00:15:11,634 Here's the thing is, I'm not willing 326 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:15,266 to take blame for things that my wife or ex wife 327 00:15:15,266 --> 00:15:18,367 is sitting there telling them that I did. 328 00:15:18,367 --> 00:15:22,867 I hope the time comes when the contempt will subside 329 00:15:22,867 --> 00:15:26,300 and we'll be able to find forgiveness and love again. 330 00:15:27,367 --> 00:15:29,133 [upbeat music playing] 331 00:15:40,166 --> 00:15:42,367 This is a welcome home party for Ysabel. 332 00:15:42,367 --> 00:15:43,634 Ysabel moved to Utah. 333 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:46,367 So Mykelti, Avalon are here. 334 00:15:46,367 --> 00:15:50,634 But Maddie's here, of course, with Axel and Evie, Hunter's here, too. 335 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,634 And then it's me, Truely and Ysabel. 336 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:54,667 It's just, ugh... chaos. 337 00:15:54,667 --> 00:15:55,533 It's awesome. 338 00:15:55,533 --> 00:15:57,567 I'm glad you all came over to hang out. 339 00:15:57,567 --> 00:15:58,800 -You, too. -Thanks. 340 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,834 -[Christine] Thank you for having us. -And now I can relax. 341 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:03,467 Maddie and Janelle just got back from Montana. 342 00:16:03,467 --> 00:16:05,367 They looked at some property there. 343 00:16:05,367 --> 00:16:07,367 [indistinct chatter] 344 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:10,000 Janelle's back in Flagstaff already. 345 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,767 I need to find out what's going on, 346 00:16:11,767 --> 00:16:13,634 like she really opened up the conversation, 347 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:16,467 when we were traveling back from my brother's house in Idaho, 348 00:16:16,467 --> 00:16:20,634 about really being separated from Kody, but more separated 349 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:23,333 because she's talking about buying land 350 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,133 and moving in with Maddie. 351 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,567 Where do I need to throw my support? 352 00:16:27,567 --> 00:16:28,533 Because for me, I'm like, 353 00:16:28,533 --> 00:16:31,667 totally supportive of, get out of Flagstaff, 354 00:16:31,667 --> 00:16:33,033 move in with Maddie, 355 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:35,100 get going living with her, things like that. 356 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:38,166 That's like, yes, but I don't know if she's there. 357 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:39,567 I have no idea. 358 00:16:39,567 --> 00:16:41,033 -You got it on your foot. -She didn't have to-- 359 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:42,433 No. No, no, no. 360 00:16:43,367 --> 00:16:45,433 It's a water stain. 361 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:47,467 -[Ysabel] Oh, you're fine. You have a child. -[laughs] 362 00:16:47,467 --> 00:16:49,867 -[Hunter] What does that have to do with anything? -Oh, my God. 363 00:16:49,867 --> 00:16:53,266 You have a child, so it's an excuse to look like a slob. 364 00:16:53,266 --> 00:16:54,667 [Ysabel] Exactly. 365 00:16:54,667 --> 00:16:56,734 Oh, Mykelti hates being pregnant. 366 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:57,967 She hates it. 367 00:16:57,967 --> 00:17:00,266 But Maddie's pregnant now, too, so they can commiserate. 368 00:17:00,266 --> 00:17:02,367 Janelle and I were pregnant together, too, 369 00:17:02,367 --> 00:17:05,333 but I loved being pregnant, whereas Janelle really didn't. 370 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,867 It's kind of funny, right? 371 00:17:06,867 --> 00:17:08,934 That our daughters are pregnant together, too. 372 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 [whispers] It's funny. 373 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,634 Mykelti really can have the babies anytime. 374 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:15,166 So this is towards the very end of her pregnancy. 375 00:17:15,166 --> 00:17:17,433 -[Kody] Here, Avalon. -[Mykelti] Oh, my God. 376 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:18,600 [Christine] Mykelti loves Robyn. 377 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,367 And, of course, Robyn's going to be at the birth. 378 00:17:21,367 --> 00:17:22,300 And it is awkward. 379 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:25,066 It is awkward, but it just doesn't matter. 380 00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:27,033 Robyn and I are going to behave like adults. 381 00:17:28,867 --> 00:17:33,033 Yeah, that could be awkward, but I'm just not gonna let it be. 382 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,266 This isn't about me or my feelings, 383 00:17:35,266 --> 00:17:38,634 It's about Tony and Mykelti, especially Mykelti, 384 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:41,000 feeling safe, secure and supported. 385 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,767 And that I'm there to help with babies and Mykelti and Tony in any way possible. 386 00:17:46,767 --> 00:17:49,533 Your carrot cake is here somewhere. 387 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,033 -Somebody ate one of them. -Really, it is? 388 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:52,000 And it's gluten free. 389 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,100 Isn't that cute? 390 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:54,433 Hey, husband. 391 00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:57,333 [Christine] I don't have a relationship with Kody and Robyn. 392 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,467 I know that Kody and Robyn are still... 393 00:17:59,467 --> 00:18:01,266 well, Kody is angry. 394 00:18:01,266 --> 00:18:05,166 Robyn's heartbroken, um... 395 00:18:05,166 --> 00:18:06,867 I have moved on. 396 00:18:06,867 --> 00:18:09,166 And I love being single. 397 00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:10,767 I love my life now. 398 00:18:10,767 --> 00:18:12,333 I've been on a few dates. 399 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,467 Met some really nice guys. 400 00:18:14,467 --> 00:18:17,066 But nothing emotionally attaching. 401 00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:19,300 It's just fun. I really like it. 402 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,734 [upbeat music playing] 403 00:18:28,567 --> 00:18:30,767 [Aspyn] All right, everyone. You've got your butter. 404 00:18:30,767 --> 00:18:33,467 You have your lobster. 405 00:18:33,467 --> 00:18:37,266 Thank you all for being here, for eating at our home. 406 00:18:37,266 --> 00:18:39,467 Our small home, that accommodates children. 407 00:18:39,467 --> 00:18:40,667 Yes, it does. 408 00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:43,233 [Christine] I love a table 409 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:47,867 with a lot of people and not room for everything. 410 00:18:47,867 --> 00:18:49,300 I just feel blessed. 411 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:54,266 I feel so blessed that I was able to leave and still have a rich life. 412 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,734 -[Ysabel] Paedon! -[all] Paedon! 413 00:18:57,700 --> 00:18:59,233 -[Hunter] What's up? -Hi, everyone. 414 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:00,600 It's great to see you. 415 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,233 -[Ysabel] You're almost as tall as the ceiling. -Oh, yeah. 416 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:03,667 Paedon lives in Ogden. 417 00:19:03,667 --> 00:19:05,667 It's about an hour away from us. 418 00:19:05,667 --> 00:19:08,300 He often makes it late to gatherings. 419 00:19:10,266 --> 00:19:11,200 [Paedon] Mmm-hmm. 420 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,900 -Yeah? What are you doing? -[Paedon] Um... 421 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,567 Oh, uh... 422 00:19:26,567 --> 00:19:28,000 Wait, wait. You got a job? 423 00:19:34,166 --> 00:19:35,934 Oh, my gosh, what? 424 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,367 -Dude, Paedon is a bouncer. That is awesome. -That is so cool. 425 00:19:38,367 --> 00:19:40,700 Yeah, no, Paedon has a job at a bar, 426 00:19:41,467 --> 00:19:42,767 I'm just going to leave it at that. 427 00:19:42,767 --> 00:19:44,166 -Yeah. -[Aspyn] Seriously? 428 00:19:44,166 --> 00:19:45,367 Yes, seriously. 429 00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:47,433 -[Aspyn] Oh, my God. -Yep, honestly. 430 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:48,700 Yeah, I'm a bouncer. 431 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:51,066 [Aspyn] Wait, which one? If we go there, will we see you? 432 00:19:51,066 --> 00:19:52,634 [Maddie laughs] 433 00:19:55,567 --> 00:19:57,300 [all laughing] 434 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:03,166 This is not the Utah I was raised in. 435 00:20:03,166 --> 00:20:08,133 This is not the Utah I ever dreamed my children would live in, either. 436 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,100 You know, I thought we'd get that more in Vegas. 437 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:12,333 No, this is just proof that my kids are growing up 438 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,166 and they're gonna do their own thing. 439 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:16,367 Hey, you guys want to clean up dinner and we can play some games? 440 00:20:16,367 --> 00:20:17,767 Love to. 441 00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:19,367 -[Mykelti] It's been great, thank you for dinner. -Thank you, Aspyn. 442 00:20:19,367 --> 00:20:21,533 This was an incredible dinner. 443 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,100 And it's cool to see everybody all together. 444 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:26,667 But now Ysabel's part of our Utah group. 445 00:20:26,667 --> 00:20:31,333 So maybe Maddie and Caleb and Janelle and Hunter and Logan. 446 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,133 Maybe they'll come more. That'd be great. 447 00:20:36,667 --> 00:20:38,567 He's not talking to me about it, 448 00:20:38,567 --> 00:20:41,100 so I think I'm gonna have to lawyer up. 449 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,967 It's really complicated because there's no legal marriage. 450 00:20:43,967 --> 00:20:45,066 I think it's wise. 451 00:20:45,066 --> 00:20:46,734 I think it's really wise. 452 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,734 -Like I think... -Is your marriage with Kody over? 453 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,300 I feel like I'm on trial, like I'm being cross-examined. 454 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,700 [upbeat music playing] 455 00:21:03,967 --> 00:21:06,734 Oh, my gosh, Ysabel's back home. 456 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,767 She lives about 20 minutes away from me now in Utah, 457 00:21:10,767 --> 00:21:13,166 and she's doing great. 458 00:21:13,166 --> 00:21:15,834 Then I'm gonna go hang out with Janelle for a little bit 459 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,867 to see how she liked the property in Montana. 460 00:21:18,867 --> 00:21:22,767 This is a big deal for her to be thinking about moving in with Maddie, 461 00:21:22,767 --> 00:21:25,000 and if she's going to be building with Maddie, 462 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,433 is she still going to be building in Flagstaff? 463 00:21:26,433 --> 00:21:29,266 I just have questions. I'm just gonna meet up with Janelle in Flagstaff. 464 00:21:29,266 --> 00:21:30,433 [knock on door] 465 00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:33,333 -Hey. -I like your wreath. 466 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,000 -I know. It's just that-- -I love it. 467 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,367 I'm just concerned about her situation with Kody. 468 00:21:37,367 --> 00:21:40,066 Are they over? Are they done? Um... 469 00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:41,500 What does she need? 470 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:44,467 Are you still thinking of building out on Coyote Pass? 471 00:21:44,467 --> 00:21:45,333 I love it here. 472 00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:48,266 -You love it here. Okay. -I love it here. 473 00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:52,900 But I'm not sure it's functional for me to stay for the rest of my life here. 474 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,133 [Christine] The property needs to be paid off. 475 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,000 So how serious is anybody really about living on that property? 476 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,867 Is anyone really going to live there? 477 00:22:00,867 --> 00:22:04,100 I've actually thought about asking him if he wants to buy me out. 478 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,266 And not have anything on the... 479 00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:08,667 That's been kind of a hard realization, 480 00:22:08,667 --> 00:22:10,433 because it's like, my dream, right? 481 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:12,333 Like forever, even when we lived back in Wyoming, 482 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,333 I wanted the whole homestead thing. 483 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,467 And you really wouldn't build... Oh, my God. 484 00:22:16,467 --> 00:22:17,634 [laughs] 485 00:22:17,634 --> 00:22:20,567 I've always wanted my own piece of land that I could... 486 00:22:20,567 --> 00:22:23,000 have a garden, maybe a few animals, 487 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,467 and just kind of live simply. 488 00:22:24,467 --> 00:22:26,467 And Kody hates everything about 489 00:22:26,467 --> 00:22:28,100 living on a farm and living on a ranch. 490 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:30,967 And he always wanted to be the city guy with the fancy car 491 00:22:30,967 --> 00:22:31,867 and the great job 492 00:22:31,867 --> 00:22:34,166 and like that was always what he wanted. 493 00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:37,467 Kody grew up on a farm, and I think he was like, "Nope, had my fill of that. 494 00:22:37,467 --> 00:22:38,533 Not interested." 495 00:22:38,533 --> 00:22:42,834 So what changed my mind was when I went with Maddie, 496 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:45,467 to look in Montana, and I'm like, 497 00:22:45,467 --> 00:22:48,533 "Oh, I could have this somewhere else." 498 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,967 It's no-brainer. 499 00:22:49,967 --> 00:22:55,967 Living with Maddie and Caleb on a property in Montana versus living 500 00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:59,166 on Coyote Pass with a house and who knows? 501 00:22:59,166 --> 00:23:02,567 Maybe Kody and Robyn right there living on the same property. 502 00:23:02,567 --> 00:23:05,367 Maybe Meri is going to have a house there, too. 503 00:23:05,367 --> 00:23:09,100 Yeah, that's just no. Just no. 504 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,233 However... 505 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,767 if Kody's not willing to buy me out, 506 00:23:12,767 --> 00:23:14,900 then I think I'm gonna have to do... 507 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,934 I'm gonna have to do something with it, 508 00:23:16,934 --> 00:23:20,033 But we've got to pay it off, and he's not talking to me about it. 509 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,767 So I think I'm going to have to lawyer up, I think. 510 00:23:22,767 --> 00:23:25,133 Because I think that's the only way I'm ever gonna 511 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,333 -get any kind of decision out of him. -Mmm-hmm. 512 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,400 And you need to have a... 513 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,033 Definitely get a lawyer involved. I think so. 514 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:32,667 I don't know what else to do. 515 00:23:32,667 --> 00:23:34,767 -I don't know what else to do. -Mmm-mmm. 516 00:23:34,767 --> 00:23:37,033 Part of it is I really have no legal rights 517 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:39,533 to make any kind of claim on Kody's property. 518 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,200 Like we're not legally married. 519 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,233 It's not like I'm just calling a lawyer and saying I need to divorce this person. 520 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:47,667 No, it's really complicated because there's no legal marriage. 521 00:23:47,667 --> 00:23:49,000 Yeah, it sucks that she just can't 522 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,133 work it out with Kody, that she's got a lawyer up. 523 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,433 That's ridiculous. 524 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,634 I think it's wise, however. 525 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:56,066 I think it's really wise. 526 00:23:56,066 --> 00:23:57,367 Like I think it, well-- 527 00:23:57,367 --> 00:23:59,300 Is your marriage with Kody over? 528 00:24:00,467 --> 00:24:01,367 Yes, yes. 529 00:24:01,367 --> 00:24:03,233 Does he know? 530 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:06,567 Well, he's not talked to me for a very long time, and now we've resorted, 531 00:24:06,567 --> 00:24:08,467 even business is done via text. 532 00:24:08,467 --> 00:24:10,567 -Really? -Like, we aren't even talking on the phone. 533 00:24:10,567 --> 00:24:12,367 Did you tell him the words "it's over"? 534 00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:15,266 No, like I don't see him, he avoids me. 535 00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:17,667 So in our church, there's no legal marriages 536 00:24:17,667 --> 00:24:20,100 except for, like Kody and Robyn are legally married, 537 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:24,133 the rest of us aren't. So when you end a marriage... 538 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,467 I mean, for me, um... 539 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:31,233 There was a definite ending point where I could look back and go, 540 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:33,567 "Yes, it's over," that kind of a thing, 541 00:24:33,567 --> 00:24:34,934 so I could move on. 542 00:24:34,934 --> 00:24:38,667 Why don't you have a conversation with him and tell him it's over? 543 00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:41,567 I've been trying to talk to him about the land, and he keeps putting me off. 544 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:45,100 Keeps, like, can't talk for this reason, and then that reason passes, 545 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,333 and then he can't talk for another reason. 546 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,133 -And so it's like... -For a lot of reasons 547 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,700 you need to make that call. 548 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:52,567 [Janelle] So this is what frustrates me. 549 00:24:52,567 --> 00:24:56,567 Christine comes into town and she starts grilling me and expects that 550 00:24:56,567 --> 00:24:59,066 my breakup to look just like hers and to cross off 551 00:24:59,066 --> 00:25:01,734 all these boxes that hers did. 552 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,166 And it's a very different relationship, 553 00:25:03,166 --> 00:25:05,166 and it's come apart very differently. 554 00:25:05,166 --> 00:25:08,433 I've told Kody, he knows, we've had a conversation. 555 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:11,433 I don't want him to be part of my new life. 556 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:15,567 I don't have any official divorce 'cause we weren't really ever legally married. 557 00:25:15,567 --> 00:25:19,667 As soon as the Coyote Pass property is settled and I can get my part out, 558 00:25:19,667 --> 00:25:22,967 I probably won't interact with him ever again. 559 00:25:22,967 --> 00:25:25,634 I was always asking Janelle about our relationship, 560 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,767 and she was always indicating that she didn't want to reconcile. 561 00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:31,934 It was kind of this, sort of just, like, we're not in the same place. 562 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,266 We're not necessarily in agreement. 563 00:25:33,266 --> 00:25:35,867 We're not really working on the relationship. 564 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,333 But there was never anything cut and dried. 565 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,367 It was more, like, just, we're gradually just fading away. 566 00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:44,834 I just think this is so funny. 567 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:46,867 This is comical. 568 00:25:46,867 --> 00:25:50,634 Kody's sitting here complaining about Janelle, 569 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:55,266 saying that there was no communication. Nothing was clear. 570 00:25:55,266 --> 00:26:01,066 Dude. You did the same exact thing to me. 571 00:26:01,066 --> 00:26:02,500 Exactly. 572 00:26:03,166 --> 00:26:04,767 [whispers] Karma's a bitch. 573 00:26:04,767 --> 00:26:06,467 [laughs] 574 00:26:06,467 --> 00:26:08,433 I mean, like, look, it's over. 575 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,367 I mean, Kody and I are never gonna be a married couple again. 576 00:26:11,367 --> 00:26:13,567 Um... But... 577 00:26:13,567 --> 00:26:16,367 There isn't anybody because I still have my faith. 578 00:26:16,367 --> 00:26:18,166 I still believe in the faith. 579 00:26:20,467 --> 00:26:23,767 Christine has just decided that she doesn't believe in the faith anymore. 580 00:26:23,767 --> 00:26:26,567 And so their wedding vows have no validity, which is fine. 581 00:26:26,567 --> 00:26:27,734 She can decide that. 582 00:26:29,367 --> 00:26:31,834 I still I believe in my faith. 583 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:35,100 And if I do, then my marriage vows have validity. 584 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,934 Even if I'm no longer with Kody, physically, 585 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,033 like in the same house or whatever. 586 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:42,667 You know, I don't want to... 587 00:26:42,667 --> 00:26:45,533 but we're all in this different place in our faith. 588 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,433 I, uh, don't want to disparage my former faith. 589 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,467 I'm not interested in it. 590 00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:54,667 I'm not interested in their BS, 591 00:26:54,667 --> 00:26:57,166 but I don't want to disparage it. 592 00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:59,367 Would you, if things were different... 593 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:01,634 If... I mean, whatever, 594 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:05,100 would you go back to Kody, or are you interested in... 595 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,867 -Is it over over? -No, that's been in progression 596 00:27:06,867 --> 00:27:08,767 last summer, when we talked about it, yes. 597 00:27:08,767 --> 00:27:09,767 Okay. 598 00:27:09,767 --> 00:27:13,667 -Yeah. -But I don't see any path back, really. 599 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:16,333 I don't want to go back because I don't want 600 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,367 to even do all the work that would be involved, 601 00:27:19,367 --> 00:27:21,734 if Kody was even open and he's not really. 602 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,567 He sort of feels like I should conform to him. 603 00:27:24,567 --> 00:27:27,233 I'm gonna be the head of my household again. 604 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:29,066 And so, 605 00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:31,767 if everybody is willing to conform 606 00:27:31,767 --> 00:27:35,300 to patriarchy again, I guess, because... 607 00:27:36,867 --> 00:27:39,300 I've been fighting to make everybody happy. 608 00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:42,333 Those things that he's asking me for now, 609 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,266 obedience and whatever, for him to be the patriarch. 610 00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:48,767 Those were not ever part of our original marriage contract. 611 00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:50,467 It was not something we discussed. 612 00:27:50,467 --> 00:27:52,000 It was not something he asked of me. 613 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,467 I probably never would have agreed. 614 00:27:53,467 --> 00:27:55,567 I probably never would have married him. 615 00:27:55,567 --> 00:27:57,967 This whole patriarchy thing, 616 00:27:57,967 --> 00:27:59,467 I've never done that. 617 00:27:59,467 --> 00:28:01,100 I've never intended to. 618 00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:05,066 And when I spoke of it, it was out of grief and pain 619 00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:06,033 and failure. 620 00:28:06,033 --> 00:28:08,367 Because I didn't know what I had done wrong. 621 00:28:08,367 --> 00:28:10,133 Maddie, look how big this property is. 622 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,400 It goes clear back. 623 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,767 So that coupled with the fact that I'm excited about 624 00:28:13,767 --> 00:28:17,400 where I'm headed with my life, it just will never work. 625 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,166 About eight weeks ago, Meri told me that she was gonna go 626 00:28:27,166 --> 00:28:31,934 to meet with our church leaders and basically request a divorce. 627 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,233 It's called a "release" in our church. 628 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:39,133 The damage was done so badly that we're not going to reconcile, no matter what. 629 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,200 I needed her just to go away. 630 00:28:42,867 --> 00:28:44,367 It's been done 631 00:28:44,367 --> 00:28:46,300 and over for years. 632 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,300 [upbeat music playing] 633 00:28:57,367 --> 00:28:59,033 [Kody] Um... 634 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:04,066 About eight weeks ago, Meri told me that she was gonna go to Utah, 635 00:29:04,066 --> 00:29:08,667 meet with our church leaders and basically request a divorce. 636 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:11,000 It's called a "release" in our church. 637 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,266 When each of us four ladies married Kody, it was through our church. 638 00:29:16,266 --> 00:29:18,634 Obviously, we can't all be legally married, 639 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,967 but it was what we called a covenant. 640 00:29:21,967 --> 00:29:24,634 So I feel like it's best to terminate that 641 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:28,667 because we're not moving forward with any marriage 642 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:31,767 and I don't want to be like sealed to him for eternity 643 00:29:31,767 --> 00:29:35,834 if he doesn't want me and, you know, I'm at a place 644 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,467 that like, let's just separate this completely. 645 00:29:38,467 --> 00:29:43,567 When I was asking Kody how he felt about moving forward with the release, 646 00:29:43,567 --> 00:29:46,133 He was kind of resistant to it. 647 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,667 You know, he said that he didn't want to... 648 00:29:49,667 --> 00:29:54,934 acknowledge the authority of the church leaders. 649 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,033 The damage was done so badly that we are not going to reconcile, no matter what. 650 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,033 And so, however we are made accountable to God, 651 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,166 I don't want to be accountable to this church and all their BS. 652 00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:09,433 So I'm going to let Meri go and do her thing. 653 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,467 Because if I am angry at her, 654 00:30:11,467 --> 00:30:13,133 it becomes a fight. 655 00:30:13,767 --> 00:30:17,433 I needed her just to go away. 656 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,233 Because it just took forever for her to finally realize. 657 00:30:23,266 --> 00:30:24,834 It's been done 658 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,667 and over for years. 659 00:30:27,667 --> 00:30:31,533 [Meri] I've been living in limbo in this relationship for nearly a decade, 660 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,467 and I'm just not going to keep doing that. 661 00:30:33,467 --> 00:30:35,400 So I'm moving forward with this. 662 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,000 When Meri and I got married, 663 00:30:41,467 --> 00:30:46,433 there was a lot of wisdom that we lacked in our marriage. 664 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,967 I didn't know who she was. When we got married, 665 00:30:48,967 --> 00:30:50,600 she was very different. 666 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,467 And I think just there was some baggage that Meri had that I didn't know about. 667 00:30:54,467 --> 00:30:56,834 Initially, I felt like I could live with it. 668 00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,533 I mean, "Here, baby, 669 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,567 want a piece of gum?" 670 00:31:01,567 --> 00:31:03,767 [angrily] "You know I don't like spearmint." 671 00:31:03,767 --> 00:31:09,200 I can't live in a world where she is constantly angry at me. 672 00:31:09,767 --> 00:31:11,634 And as time went on, 673 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:16,567 our relationship just got worse and worse and worse. 674 00:31:16,567 --> 00:31:21,233 Janelle came in the family, and it diluted this experience I had with Meri. 675 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,233 What ended up happening is that sort of... 676 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,467 anger or... 677 00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:31,233 dysfunction started to manifest between Janelle and Meri. 678 00:31:32,266 --> 00:31:33,400 And... 679 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,133 that got pretty bad. 680 00:31:37,066 --> 00:31:39,333 Christine came in the family, sort of diluted 681 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,500 the relationship between Janelle and Meri. 682 00:31:42,767 --> 00:31:44,734 Which I'll be really honest with you, 683 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,300 probably saved it. 684 00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:49,467 You know the thing in plural marriage 685 00:31:49,467 --> 00:31:50,900 that is very funny 686 00:31:51,767 --> 00:31:55,467 about divorcing, is a man has no choice 687 00:31:55,467 --> 00:31:57,567 after he's already married in plural marriage. 688 00:31:57,567 --> 00:32:00,667 If he wants to stay faithful and in the faith, 689 00:32:00,667 --> 00:32:03,667 he cannot request a divorce. 690 00:32:03,667 --> 00:32:04,834 It's not allowed. 691 00:32:04,834 --> 00:32:09,467 So I was not able to get out of that relationship. 692 00:32:09,467 --> 00:32:12,266 At the same time, I didn't necessarily want out of the relationship. 693 00:32:12,266 --> 00:32:14,734 I wanted to know if we could save it and fix it. 694 00:32:16,667 --> 00:32:18,467 There was a complete nuance about, 695 00:32:18,467 --> 00:32:21,133 well, we're going to figure out our relationship. 696 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,266 Like there were several times I was with her, where I'm like, 697 00:32:23,266 --> 00:32:24,467 "Well, here's to a new beginning. 698 00:32:24,467 --> 00:32:25,834 We're gonna figure this out." 699 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:29,934 Every time I was with her, she wasn't nice. 700 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,667 She wasn't fun. 701 00:32:31,667 --> 00:32:33,467 She wasn't kind. 702 00:32:33,467 --> 00:32:34,667 She wasn't interesting. 703 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:37,000 I'm trying to be curious with her. 704 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,066 And I'm bored. 705 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:44,367 And so I guess, to be fair, Meri feels abandoned. 706 00:32:44,367 --> 00:32:47,100 But I didn't kick me out. 707 00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:53,600 Christine, Janelle and Meri all chose to have me leave the home. 708 00:32:55,166 --> 00:32:57,233 And I'm not playing the victim card. 709 00:32:58,567 --> 00:33:01,100 I'm just saying it's just the way that it was. 710 00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:04,734 And that I wasn't ever going to leave them. 711 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,934 No matter how much I didn't love them. 712 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,734 But they made choices that separated us. 713 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,834 And maybe I made choices that separated us, but they eventually moved on. 714 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:20,767 Robyn has always been a loyal wife. 715 00:33:20,767 --> 00:33:24,133 She's always been loyal to her sister wives, 716 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,233 and she has always been loyal to me. 717 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:30,934 The one thing that Robyn brought to this family was loyalty. 718 00:33:32,367 --> 00:33:35,100 And so my loyalty is to Robyn. 719 00:33:35,767 --> 00:33:37,133 In the end, 720 00:33:38,367 --> 00:33:42,333 it's not about blame, it's about choice. 721 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,367 We chose the road we've been on. This is the life we chose. 722 00:33:47,367 --> 00:33:49,967 And when we chose well, we were a happy family. 723 00:33:49,967 --> 00:33:51,900 And when we chose badly, we weren't. 724 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,233 But everybody's on their journey. 725 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,800 And I hope in the end that everybody is happy. 726 00:34:03,367 --> 00:34:05,033 There's a lot of hurt feelings. 727 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:09,066 I have hope that in a few years this will all sort of calm down. 728 00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:10,367 I hope so, too. 729 00:34:10,367 --> 00:34:14,533 [Kody] I'm going to move forward and find happiness and joy 730 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,533 outside of my club. 731 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,233 Because it was my club and I got kicked out of it. 732 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:22,900 [upbeat music playing] 733 00:34:28,266 --> 00:34:29,266 [Christine] Are you gonna do 734 00:34:29,266 --> 00:34:30,166 Thanksgiving with Logan? 735 00:34:30,166 --> 00:34:31,634 -Because they sent out that text. -Yes. 736 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:33,166 -Are you? -Yes. 737 00:34:33,166 --> 00:34:34,767 -At Logan and Michelle's? -'Cause they're so excited at their new house. 738 00:34:34,767 --> 00:34:37,367 And Hunter lives there now, in Vegas. 739 00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:41,767 So for Thanksgiving this year, we're gonna be gathering at Logan, 740 00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:43,233 my oldest son's, house. 741 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,166 He and Michelle are hosting. Um... 742 00:34:46,166 --> 00:34:49,066 All my kids are going to be there, except for Maddie and Caleb. 743 00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:51,634 Have you told Kody that you're not gonna be here for Thanksgiving? 744 00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:52,767 No, I haven't talked to Kody. 745 00:34:52,767 --> 00:34:55,900 We're not talking, like, there's no communication. 746 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,867 I'm not tracking the holiday in Kody. 747 00:34:58,867 --> 00:35:01,533 I don't think he's really tracking what I'm doing. 748 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,100 I don't think he's really even tracking what the kids are doing. 749 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,867 He has been pretty focused at what's going on in Robyn's house. 750 00:35:07,867 --> 00:35:09,433 That's his world now. 751 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:10,867 Did you feel like... Do you feel like he's, like, 752 00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:13,066 stringing you along or something? 753 00:35:13,066 --> 00:35:16,467 No, I don't know what he thinks is going on, but I'm ready to move on. 754 00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:19,233 But I can't conclude business without... 755 00:35:19,967 --> 00:35:21,567 -Some sort of... -The business 756 00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:23,834 part of it is why... I mean, you can't really say 757 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:25,767 we're over if you still... 758 00:35:25,767 --> 00:35:27,233 Well, it's the land. 759 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,567 -Honestly, it's the land. -Right. Okay. 760 00:35:28,567 --> 00:35:31,333 The land keeps me tied here. 761 00:35:32,667 --> 00:35:35,433 I think Christine's, like, looking for me to say the word divorced. 762 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:37,934 And I guess I don't really need to say that word. 763 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,233 To me, I hate that word. I just... I don't want it. 764 00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:41,834 I don't like it. 765 00:35:41,834 --> 00:35:44,333 So what I tell people is I'm just no longer with the father of my children. 766 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,767 I don't really care what they think of me. In this day and age, 767 00:35:46,767 --> 00:35:48,133 lots of people don't get married. 768 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,567 I don't have to say divorced. 769 00:35:50,567 --> 00:35:52,967 I think Janelle doesn't want to define this because she doesn't want 770 00:35:52,967 --> 00:35:56,567 to have to actually go, cap in hand, back to our church leaders. 771 00:35:56,567 --> 00:35:59,166 I think Janelle, like she does many things, 772 00:35:59,166 --> 00:36:02,266 is just want to sweep it under the rug and walk away. 773 00:36:02,266 --> 00:36:07,367 If anything, I just hope, at least, that Kody has a connection with his kids, 774 00:36:07,367 --> 00:36:08,734 -you know what I mean? -I hope so, too. 775 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,567 -He and I may never. -Which is... 776 00:36:10,567 --> 00:36:11,834 Which is okay. 777 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,300 Yeah, it's fine. 778 00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:17,867 Most ex-spouses don't really go hang out with each other or whatever. 779 00:36:17,867 --> 00:36:23,667 I know, but I really honestly hoped that we would get to that point. 780 00:36:23,667 --> 00:36:27,867 So, you know, in a few weeks we have our first big family event, 781 00:36:27,867 --> 00:36:29,634 where we'll all see each other. 782 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,333 It'll be the first time we're all together 783 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,100 in one space since Ysabel's graduation party. 784 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,734 There's a lot of hurt feelings with Kody 785 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,867 and his kids, but they're going to be there. 786 00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:40,967 Kody and Robyn are going to come. 787 00:36:40,967 --> 00:36:42,867 Uh, their kids will be there. 788 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:45,333 I don't know what any of this looks like. 789 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,367 I'm super nervous. 790 00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:49,767 Awkward, awkward will be the word of the day. 791 00:36:49,767 --> 00:36:54,033 I have hoped that in a few years this will all sort of calm down. 792 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:58,967 I hope so, too, because honestly, it's so sad how it is. 793 00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:01,467 It's so sad, and I think so much goes back 794 00:37:01,467 --> 00:37:03,834 to the very, very, very beginning. 795 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:09,667 I know Robyn's kid's, based on the text thread from last year, um... 796 00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:11,433 There were just so many things said. 797 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:13,834 About a little over a year ago, 798 00:37:13,834 --> 00:37:17,433 there was a text message chain about the Christmas gift exchange. 799 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:18,266 It all went bad. 800 00:37:18,266 --> 00:37:19,467 It all went south. 801 00:37:19,467 --> 00:37:22,066 Kody and Robyn and their kids were on one side. 802 00:37:22,066 --> 00:37:24,367 And they wanted nothing to do with Janelle, 803 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:25,634 me, our kids. 804 00:37:25,634 --> 00:37:29,133 And there was a split that happened after this text thread. 805 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,266 And so my older kids all said, you know, this was emotionally unsafe. 806 00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:35,667 We just need to kind of step back. 807 00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:38,033 We just need to put down a boundary here. 808 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,567 But it was never anything about, "We don't want to see you again. 809 00:37:42,567 --> 00:37:43,834 We don't want anything to do with you." 810 00:37:43,834 --> 00:37:48,066 It was about... It was just about, like, "Hey, this got yucky." 811 00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:51,767 They just didn't feel like they were ever even welcome into the family. 812 00:37:51,767 --> 00:37:53,066 And for me, 813 00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:55,433 I thought I was welcoming. 814 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:56,667 Yeah. 815 00:37:56,667 --> 00:37:59,834 My mom's kids and I have each had 816 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,734 our own experiences. 817 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,266 Um, being told directly... 818 00:38:04,266 --> 00:38:07,667 I have been told directly in multiple circumstances 819 00:38:07,667 --> 00:38:09,433 by multiple different people 820 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:12,166 that I was not accepted, that I was not their sister, 821 00:38:12,166 --> 00:38:14,066 that they didn't consider or see me that way. 822 00:38:14,066 --> 00:38:17,500 The parents could have done a better job with... 823 00:38:18,467 --> 00:38:21,233 you know, connecting us as a family. 824 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:22,734 And it never really happened. 825 00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:24,767 [somber music playing] 826 00:38:24,767 --> 00:38:26,100 They're yours? 827 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,066 [Christine] Robyn's kids and Robyn were invited to everything. 828 00:38:29,066 --> 00:38:31,266 Like everything that we did, they were always invited. 829 00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:33,166 And I would just say, "Just come in. 830 00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:35,667 Come into the house anytime you want." 831 00:38:35,667 --> 00:38:39,166 Like Ysabel is so, so close to Robyn's kids and Mykelti, 832 00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:42,133 come on, she lived with them for a while. 833 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,667 There were hard times and my kids were frustrated. 834 00:38:45,667 --> 00:38:48,767 But they always considered Robyn's kids their siblings just the same. 835 00:38:48,767 --> 00:38:50,266 Truely didn't even know 836 00:38:50,266 --> 00:38:53,133 that Dayton, Aurora and Breanna 837 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,767 weren't biologically her siblings as well. 838 00:38:56,767 --> 00:39:00,634 She had no idea That's how combined we were. 839 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,000 To the Brownies and their friends. 840 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,734 [all] Cheers. 841 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,467 [Kody] There's some people in my family that feel like they are superior to others. 842 00:39:12,467 --> 00:39:14,166 And they're like, 843 00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:17,634 "Oh, well, we're not going to include them in our club." 844 00:39:19,166 --> 00:39:25,066 I am going to move forward and find happiness and joy outside of my club 845 00:39:25,066 --> 00:39:27,634 because it was my club and I got kicked out of it. 846 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,233 You know, I'm really actually pretty happy. 847 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,634 I don't even know... 848 00:39:32,634 --> 00:39:35,667 I don't even want to have to adjust my schedule anymore. [laughs] 849 00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:36,834 No, I know. 850 00:39:36,834 --> 00:39:40,634 So I kind of had this two lives, like I had this schedule 851 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,100 I lived and I loved and went to bed when I wanted 852 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,767 We didn't have to follow crazy food rules for dinner 853 00:39:45,767 --> 00:39:49,133 because he's allergic to everything or whatever. I don't know. 854 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,400 And so when he would come every third day, 855 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,867 all the sudden, it was like this whole alter universe, 856 00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:55,467 and that was... Like, I was willing to do it. 857 00:39:55,467 --> 00:39:57,467 But it was hard, and now I don't have to do that anymore. 858 00:39:57,467 --> 00:39:59,033 It's very liberating. 859 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,767 Life felt normal 860 00:40:00,767 --> 00:40:04,734 when he was there and when he wasn't there, it was just the situation. 861 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,867 It was plural marriage, and as a plural wife, 862 00:40:07,867 --> 00:40:10,033 you become a little more independent. 863 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,367 You're handling things with kids more on your own. 864 00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:17,533 But for the most part, it was just... it was what life was, you know? 865 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,834 So... 866 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,667 I can't remember. [laughs] 867 00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:25,634 It has been so long since Kody's been around at my house. 868 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,333 Like the norm is for him to not be around. 869 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,767 [Christine] Isn't that the saddest thing? 870 00:40:30,767 --> 00:40:35,967 I'd be like scrambling, trying to fit him into my life and like-- 871 00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:37,333 See, I didn't really mind. 872 00:40:37,333 --> 00:40:40,834 And I actually would do plural marriage again for the independence. 873 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:42,233 [jolly music playing] 874 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,634 So when it's functioning correctly, 875 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:46,033 you have this amazing family unit 876 00:40:46,033 --> 00:40:49,100 that you're part of, a community that you're plugged into. 877 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:50,266 You have a husband and you have a great 878 00:40:50,266 --> 00:40:52,967 relationship with him and you have everything, right? 879 00:40:52,967 --> 00:40:54,867 And then I have all my independence. 880 00:40:54,867 --> 00:40:58,834 So to me, plural marriage really was a really great arrangement. 881 00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:00,834 But I'm at peace. 882 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,367 I'm okay. 883 00:41:02,367 --> 00:41:03,834 -I mean-- -It's nice, right? You're good. 884 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:04,800 You're peaceful. 885 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,367 Yeah, it's not exactly what I envisioned, 886 00:41:06,367 --> 00:41:07,867 but it's okay, you know what I mean? 887 00:41:07,867 --> 00:41:09,300 It's okay. 888 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:13,634 It's so strange because I see this life I had, and I see it over here, 889 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:18,333 like, kind of in the, like, in the past, and I remember all those things. 890 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,467 But now it's just, like, it's not even relevant to me now. 891 00:41:22,467 --> 00:41:25,033 It's so weird to be so separate from that life. 892 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,467 Think it's just complicated. 893 00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:31,767 It's a lot more complicated for Janelle to leave. 894 00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:33,767 She has the ties to the land. 895 00:41:33,767 --> 00:41:36,567 And then she has the ties to her commitment to God. 896 00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:42,000 She's got some serious ties that I didn't understand, and now I get it. 897 00:41:45,166 --> 00:41:47,266 [Kody reading] 898 00:41:47,266 --> 00:41:48,767 We didn't really talk to each other. 899 00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:50,367 Kody, Robyn... 900 00:41:50,367 --> 00:41:54,667 I nodded at Meri, Christine and I sat together with the kids. 901 00:41:54,667 --> 00:41:56,934 It's... civil war. 902 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,066 You are set up for an induction. 903 00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,200 Gonna turn it to a C-Section. 904 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:08,166 Losing the chance to be able to hold my child, first thing, 905 00:42:08,166 --> 00:42:10,233 I'm just having a hard time with. 906 00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:13,233 [Robyn] Tony and Mykelti want me there, 907 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:14,667 and they want Christine there. 908 00:42:14,667 --> 00:42:18,433 This is the deal. We see a lot of things behind each other's backs. 909 00:42:19,567 --> 00:42:22,233 My plan is to play nice. 910 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,767 Being there for my wife, super important. 911 00:42:24,767 --> 00:42:27,066 Having kids come back, best part.