1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,767 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,767 --> 00:00:04,967 About eight weeks ago, Meri told me 3 00:00:04,967 --> 00:00:07,433 that she was gonna basically request a divorce. 4 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:09,367 It's called a release in our church. 5 00:00:09,367 --> 00:00:11,367 The damage was done so badly 6 00:00:11,367 --> 00:00:13,233 that we are not going to reconcile, 7 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:14,100 no matter what. 8 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:15,767 [Meri] I've been living in limbo 9 00:00:15,767 --> 00:00:17,166 for nearly a decade, 10 00:00:17,166 --> 00:00:18,800 and I'm moving forward with this. 11 00:00:19,667 --> 00:00:22,000 I had my boys. They were safe. 12 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,533 They were healthy. 13 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,467 And it was just this over joyous experience 14 00:00:27,467 --> 00:00:30,333 of everything's fine. 15 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,867 [Robyn] I was handed Archer first, 16 00:00:31,867 --> 00:00:33,667 and at the same time 17 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:36,233 Christine was holding Ace, and so it was kind of like... 18 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,300 [cries] 19 00:00:40,767 --> 00:00:42,033 [Christine] It was awkward. 20 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:43,634 It's gonna be awkward for a while, 21 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:46,700 and I don't know what the future looks like. 22 00:00:47,667 --> 00:00:49,266 [Kody] Our family, this shattered, 23 00:00:49,266 --> 00:00:53,233 this mess has gotten so hostile. 24 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:54,667 Total civil war. 25 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:58,100 I'm having a hard time feeling like... 26 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:01,767 [sighs] Losing respect for you a little bit. 27 00:01:01,767 --> 00:01:04,100 Hey, listen, you don't want to be this guy. 28 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:05,467 I know you're hurting, 29 00:01:05,467 --> 00:01:07,033 but you don't want to be this guy. 30 00:01:09,667 --> 00:01:11,900 [theme music playing] 31 00:01:29,166 --> 00:01:31,400 [upbeat music playing] 32 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,567 We're headed to see Tony and Mykelti 33 00:01:41,567 --> 00:01:43,166 and the new bambinos. 34 00:01:43,166 --> 00:01:45,233 [laughs] And I'm so excited. 35 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:46,467 When newborn babies come, 36 00:01:46,467 --> 00:01:48,066 they're so fun to hold and cuddle 37 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:49,667 and of course, everybody wants to see twins 38 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:52,000 'cause it's like it's cool. They're twin babies. 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:52,900 It's like extra special. 40 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:54,967 So it's Dad and Robyn's turn to come up 41 00:01:54,967 --> 00:01:57,600 and get some newborn twin snuggles in. 42 00:01:58,266 --> 00:02:00,233 -Hello! -What's up? 43 00:02:01,166 --> 00:02:03,667 -Come on in. -Hi. 44 00:02:03,667 --> 00:02:05,467 -It's little sweetie! -[Mykelti] Hey, Dad. 45 00:02:05,467 --> 00:02:06,867 So Robyn was here for the birth. 46 00:02:06,867 --> 00:02:08,767 She got to hold the babies after they were born. 47 00:02:08,767 --> 00:02:10,367 She got to help Mykelti for a little bit. 48 00:02:10,367 --> 00:02:13,333 I stayed home to watch Solomon and Ariella, 49 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,767 to take care of them, get them to school. 50 00:02:14,767 --> 00:02:16,734 But now I get to meet the twins, 51 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,567 and I'm excited about that. 52 00:02:18,567 --> 00:02:20,567 -Okay. Let's see. -Who's who, Dad? 53 00:02:20,567 --> 00:02:23,433 Hold on. I think this is Archer. 54 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:25,133 You would be correct. 55 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,667 -Nice. I know my little buddies. -[Tony] Nice. 56 00:02:26,667 --> 00:02:28,834 Oh, so tiny. 57 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:30,867 The twins are not identical. 58 00:02:30,867 --> 00:02:32,100 They're fraternal twins. 59 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:34,166 And they figured that out really quickly. 60 00:02:34,166 --> 00:02:37,133 And so, yeah, you can totally tell who's who. 61 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,567 One's a little chubbier, one has red hair, 62 00:02:39,567 --> 00:02:42,567 one's a little thinner, has lighter hair, 63 00:02:42,567 --> 00:02:45,367 different personalities, different... [laughs] 64 00:02:45,367 --> 00:02:47,266 Different everything. 65 00:02:47,266 --> 00:02:49,333 -She wants a hug. -I want a hug. 66 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,533 Can I have a hug? 67 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,033 Oh, I love you. 68 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:55,934 -Do you wanna hug Grandpa? -Hey, chicklet, can I have a hug? 69 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,066 [Tony] Yeah. 70 00:02:57,066 --> 00:02:59,000 -[Kody] Hi, do I get a hug? -You wanna go to Kody? 71 00:02:59,667 --> 00:03:00,900 What about knuckles? 72 00:03:02,667 --> 00:03:03,700 Wanna go to Grandpa? 73 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:05,100 [Mykelti] I'm definitely happy to see my dad. 74 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:06,533 I don't see him very often. 75 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,166 Just because we live so far apart. 76 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:10,100 I'm very proud 77 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:12,567 to be a mom to these twin boys. 78 00:03:12,567 --> 00:03:15,266 So I'm very proud to show them off to my dad. 79 00:03:15,266 --> 00:03:17,266 So Mykelti has actually been kind of in this 80 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:20,767 neutral position I guess. You know, polarized family. 81 00:03:20,767 --> 00:03:24,266 But Mykelti and Tony are still hanging out with us. 82 00:03:24,266 --> 00:03:26,000 I really like Tony. 83 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,734 I get along with Mykelti well 84 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,233 and I see something very special in her. 85 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:34,266 I think that Mykelti kind of sees that there are 86 00:03:34,266 --> 00:03:35,934 two sides to this. 87 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,000 I just think she knows more of the truth. 88 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,333 I think she sees more of the truth. 89 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,200 [Kody] I got an idea. 90 00:03:43,367 --> 00:03:45,367 -I should clear this with you. -Oh. 91 00:03:45,367 --> 00:03:47,166 We should buy a big house in Flagstaff 92 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:49,967 and they can move there, and then we'll help them with the babies. 93 00:03:49,967 --> 00:03:52,266 It would be so fun for me to have a home 94 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:54,834 that Tony and Mykelti could come in, visit 95 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:56,667 because it's hard to come to the house that we've got. 96 00:03:56,667 --> 00:03:58,967 All the rooms are filled. We have to move a kid 97 00:03:58,967 --> 00:04:00,166 to another room. 98 00:04:00,166 --> 00:04:01,867 Kids come and sleep with mom and dad 99 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:03,734 so that Tony and Mykelti can have a room 100 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,767 and then they're piled in all to one room 101 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:07,867 with three little babies, you know. 102 00:04:07,867 --> 00:04:10,433 And there's a house that Rob and I were looking at 103 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:11,867 and I thought that would be fun to buy, 104 00:04:11,867 --> 00:04:14,266 and we have some kids or, you know, in-laws 105 00:04:14,266 --> 00:04:15,634 move in with us, you know. 106 00:04:16,567 --> 00:04:17,934 -[fake coughs] -[Robyn laughs] 107 00:04:18,867 --> 00:04:20,734 -Really? -You guys can buy a big house... 108 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,934 -You guys would love it. -...and we would visit you. 109 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,300 No. You have to have your own life. 110 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,166 Hurry. Open it, pal. 111 00:04:28,166 --> 00:04:30,333 [Kody] Well, I always wanted this big family experience. 112 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,900 I had this wonderful experience with my own family. 113 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:36,567 So, yes, I have the big dream of a big house 114 00:04:36,567 --> 00:04:38,867 with lots of rooms and lots of space, 115 00:04:38,867 --> 00:04:42,367 a guest house and I hope that the place is big enough 116 00:04:42,367 --> 00:04:43,867 that everybody could come back 117 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:45,700 at the same time if they wanted. 118 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,367 [Robyn] When Kody is not doing his anger stuff, 119 00:04:51,367 --> 00:04:53,767 and he's more vulnerable, 120 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:55,867 yeah, I can tell he misses it. 121 00:04:55,867 --> 00:04:58,667 He misses the family experience. 122 00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:00,634 [Mykelti] And postpartum, I don't have any depression. 123 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:02,367 I'm doing great. I'm eating my placenta. 124 00:05:02,367 --> 00:05:03,467 So it's lovely. 125 00:05:03,467 --> 00:05:06,266 Yes, that helps like crazy with that. 126 00:05:06,266 --> 00:05:07,734 I highly recommend it to every woman. 127 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,333 Just eat your placenta. 128 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,834 The placenta is all of the nutrients. 129 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:15,266 It's all of the really good stuff 130 00:05:15,266 --> 00:05:19,333 that helps feed the baby when you're pregnant 131 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,033 and the placenta is actually... 132 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,467 encapsulated. It's very good for you. 133 00:05:26,467 --> 00:05:28,033 It was incredible. I think it really helped 134 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:30,133 through my postpartum with Avalon. 135 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,934 It really helped through my recovery. 136 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,367 So I was like, I'm gonna do it again with my boys 137 00:05:33,367 --> 00:05:35,700 and so far it's helped a lot. 138 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:37,467 Did you do it last time? 139 00:05:37,467 --> 00:05:38,767 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Mmm-hmm. 140 00:05:38,767 --> 00:05:40,266 -Wow. So-- -I actually ate 141 00:05:40,266 --> 00:05:42,066 my placenta raw though after Avalon. 142 00:05:42,066 --> 00:05:43,000 -I straight up had... -That was because 143 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,166 -she was bleeding. -Took a bite out of it. 144 00:05:44,166 --> 00:05:45,467 -Really? -Yeah. 145 00:05:45,467 --> 00:05:46,667 It doesn't have a taste. 146 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:47,734 It's not like carne asada. 147 00:05:47,734 --> 00:05:49,967 -There's no taste. -But it looks like carne asada. 148 00:05:49,967 --> 00:05:51,166 [laughs] 149 00:05:51,166 --> 00:05:53,934 But I did. I ate a chunk of it raw. 150 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,433 And then they turned another chunk of it into a smoothie. 151 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:57,634 -[retches] -I have a picture. 152 00:05:57,634 --> 00:05:59,767 I actually have a picture on my phone of my placenta, 153 00:05:59,767 --> 00:06:02,033 and you can see the bite mark that I took out of it. 154 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:03,834 It's big too. 155 00:06:03,834 --> 00:06:06,233 -It's huge. -It's freaking big flank steak. 156 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:11,266 Mmm. No, the whole placenta thing. No. 157 00:06:11,266 --> 00:06:14,000 I have heard people say that it's like super healthy. 158 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,767 I'm disgusted by it. It's really gross. 159 00:06:15,767 --> 00:06:18,266 No, no. In no way, shape or form. 160 00:06:18,266 --> 00:06:21,767 My first instinct was, that is disgusting. 161 00:06:21,767 --> 00:06:23,133 That's disgusting. 162 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:27,567 But it's what all mammals do. 163 00:06:27,567 --> 00:06:29,867 I wish so badly I would have known 164 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:33,667 about eating your placenta, encapsulated placenta. 165 00:06:33,667 --> 00:06:36,266 I wish so bad. I would have done it in a heartbeat. 166 00:06:36,266 --> 00:06:38,166 Okay, well, I'm gonna shock y'all. 167 00:06:38,166 --> 00:06:39,667 I was the first one to do it, 168 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:42,266 and it was something my midwife suggested to me, 169 00:06:42,266 --> 00:06:43,867 and I just thought I'd try it. 170 00:06:43,867 --> 00:06:46,333 So, you know, I had postpartum depression 171 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,367 with one of my children. It's scary. 172 00:06:48,367 --> 00:06:50,667 It's super scary. It's no fun. 173 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:52,867 Oh. He smells delicious. 174 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:54,233 He smells... 175 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:58,367 Sweet. 176 00:06:58,367 --> 00:07:00,567 -[Mykelti] They always smell like breast milk to me. -Sweet baby smell. 177 00:07:00,567 --> 00:07:01,867 [laughs] 178 00:07:01,867 --> 00:07:04,000 Well, breast milk has a lot of sugar. 179 00:07:14,667 --> 00:07:17,333 That is not true. 180 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,734 I heard a funny story 181 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,734 that you guys would pass around kids 182 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,433 and breastfeed them in a big circle. 183 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:27,367 We never did that. It was just a joke. 184 00:07:27,367 --> 00:07:29,066 -We never did that. -Are you sure? 185 00:07:29,066 --> 00:07:30,667 -Never. That is not... -I don't believe you. 186 00:07:30,667 --> 00:07:33,133 ...a cultural. We did not. 187 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,867 -That was joking. -I strongly disagree, too. 188 00:07:34,867 --> 00:07:37,266 I definitely heard from other people 189 00:07:37,266 --> 00:07:38,367 that it was a common thing 190 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:41,367 in growing up in your guys' church. 191 00:07:41,367 --> 00:07:44,266 That you guys would just pass around kids for breastfeeding. 192 00:07:44,266 --> 00:07:46,734 -No. -Which mother's nipples hold out the longest? 193 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,734 No, it was a joke. 194 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,100 That's disgusting. 195 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:53,233 I just like teasing my mom. 196 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:55,433 If I love somebody, it means I'll tease them. 197 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:56,767 It's just my love language. 198 00:07:56,767 --> 00:07:59,233 But I would not be surprised... 199 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:00,333 -Yeah? -...if that happened. 200 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:01,734 -I'm just saying. -I would not be surprised 201 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,734 if that happened in any culture. 202 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,867 -Especially hers. -My gosh. 203 00:08:06,867 --> 00:08:08,266 I'm just saying. 204 00:08:08,266 --> 00:08:10,567 [Christine] I've only ever breastfed my kids. 205 00:08:10,567 --> 00:08:11,767 Ever, I promise. 206 00:08:11,767 --> 00:08:13,834 I've only ever breastfed my kids, too. 207 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:14,800 [chuckles] 208 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,300 That's because you didn't like polygamy. 209 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,767 I actually breastfed one of our kids 210 00:08:19,767 --> 00:08:21,767 that was not my own child. 211 00:08:21,767 --> 00:08:25,333 You know, and that was something that was kind of 212 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,734 medically necessary at the time, 213 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,467 but it wasn't something 214 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,133 that we did on a regular basis, 215 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,467 just for fun, just for kicks and giggles. 216 00:08:34,467 --> 00:08:38,133 Yeah, I've never breastfed another baby. No. 217 00:08:38,967 --> 00:08:40,467 I never had enough milk. 218 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:42,367 I would have been hard pressed to do that. 219 00:08:42,367 --> 00:08:43,934 [laughs] So... 220 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,734 Yeah, it's true. 221 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:46,734 It's true. 222 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,634 Women... 223 00:08:50,667 --> 00:08:53,266 would breastfeed each other's babies. 224 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:55,000 And, you know, in our culture, 225 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,133 I've seen it plenty of times. Absolutely. 226 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,066 It's not like, "Oh, let's turn..." 227 00:09:00,066 --> 00:09:01,834 you know, it's not like musical babies. 228 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:03,166 It's not like that. 229 00:09:03,166 --> 00:09:06,467 It's more of like necessity and help 230 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:09,333 and, you know, community of women, 231 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,033 you know, being supportive to each other 232 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,967 about their children and stuff so... 233 00:09:12,967 --> 00:09:14,233 Cutest little ears. 234 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:15,567 Look at those cute little ears. 235 00:09:15,567 --> 00:09:16,533 [Robyn chuckles] 236 00:09:16,533 --> 00:09:19,266 -He's got the cutest ears. -Oh, look at him. 237 00:09:19,266 --> 00:09:21,166 Look at your daddy. He's crying. 238 00:09:21,166 --> 00:09:22,867 [Robyn chuckles] He's getting... 239 00:09:22,867 --> 00:09:24,634 It's just fun to see 'em. 240 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:26,567 It's fun to have the babies. 241 00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:28,767 While Christine and I have been breaking up, 242 00:09:28,767 --> 00:09:31,166 me and Mykelti have been healing. 243 00:09:31,166 --> 00:09:35,166 It's special to have this time with them. 244 00:09:35,166 --> 00:09:36,767 I must actually be done having babies 245 00:09:36,767 --> 00:09:39,767 because I'm excited about these ones really big. 246 00:09:39,767 --> 00:09:43,233 -You know, 18 kids later. -Oh, such sweet little boys. 247 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,100 [Christine] Mykelti's relationship with Kody 248 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:48,734 is she's not afraid to ask what she needs to ask for. 249 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,767 I'm really glad Robyn has a close bond with all of them. 250 00:09:52,767 --> 00:09:54,834 Avalon, Ace and Archer. 251 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,634 And then Kody needs to have a close bond with them, too. 252 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,333 All the kids just need to take an example 253 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,767 out of Mykelti's book. 254 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:02,767 She's not afraid to ask for what she needs. 255 00:10:02,767 --> 00:10:04,100 It's amazing. 256 00:10:08,266 --> 00:10:10,233 COVID caused a lot of problems for a lot of people. 257 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:14,567 But those relationships had the fortitude to survive. 258 00:10:14,567 --> 00:10:17,467 Those relationships survived. 259 00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:21,000 And he's like, "You're not loyal, just like your mother." 260 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,433 And I was like, "Okay." 261 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:24,000 It's so interesting because Kody throws around, 262 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,133 he's like, "You're not loyal, You don't respect me." 263 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,300 And I'm like I'm thinking that's a two-way street buddy. 264 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:31,700 [upbeat music playing] 265 00:10:40,667 --> 00:10:42,667 It's terrible handwriting. Sorry. 266 00:10:42,667 --> 00:10:45,433 So I've been on a date a couple of times with David. 267 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,100 I met him online and on our first date, 268 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:49,967 we hit it off really, really well. 269 00:10:49,967 --> 00:10:52,166 You have to see. We look adorable together. 270 00:10:52,166 --> 00:10:54,333 I'm just gonna show you. This is our second date. 271 00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:01,000 I told him everything. 272 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Polygamy background. I told him everything. 273 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,367 And anyway, he goes, "Oh, okay." 274 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:07,767 He goes, "I know about polygamy. 275 00:11:07,767 --> 00:11:09,934 My sisters live polygamy." 276 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,734 And I'm like... 277 00:11:11,667 --> 00:11:13,734 "Do you wanna live polygamy?" 278 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,734 And he's like, "No, gosh, no. I'm not interested in that." 279 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,634 And I'm like, phew! 280 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:21,767 I was so nervous. 281 00:11:21,767 --> 00:11:23,734 I didn't sleep at all the night before I told him. 282 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,266 But he was great with it. Oh! 283 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:26,667 So I don't have to explain polygamy, 284 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:29,166 which is great because sometimes you explain polygamy 285 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:31,100 and guys think you have loose morals. 286 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:32,266 And then they think that you're gonna be 287 00:11:32,266 --> 00:11:33,867 interested in their open marriages. 288 00:11:33,867 --> 00:11:37,433 It's like, "No, no, no. That's not a situation." 289 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:39,266 It's super fun. It's a fun conversation. 290 00:11:39,266 --> 00:11:40,467 God. He's just solid 291 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:43,867 and he's real, real, genuine. 292 00:11:43,867 --> 00:11:45,567 And I gotta just be me. 293 00:11:45,567 --> 00:11:47,900 And he really liked me for me. I could tell. 294 00:11:49,667 --> 00:11:51,467 When I met Kody and married Kody, 295 00:11:51,467 --> 00:11:53,367 we had a very different relationship. 296 00:11:53,367 --> 00:11:54,634 He was already married 297 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:56,667 and I wanted to be respectful of that. 298 00:11:56,667 --> 00:11:59,233 So we'd talk on the phone 299 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:01,567 and we were good friends before we got married. 300 00:12:01,567 --> 00:12:03,000 But it's not like this 301 00:12:03,867 --> 00:12:07,433 giggly, fun, um, 302 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:09,100 like it's really solid. 303 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:12,500 Like he's a really, really good guy. 304 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,634 He hasn't made any like physical gestures 305 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,100 of being attracted to me, right. 306 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:20,367 He didn't hold my hand on the second date 307 00:12:20,367 --> 00:12:21,734 and we didn't kiss on the second date, 308 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,166 but this is only a second date. I get that. 309 00:12:23,166 --> 00:12:24,834 But still. So anyway, 310 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:26,934 before things progress anymore, 311 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,467 I need to have a conversation with him about, you know, 312 00:12:29,467 --> 00:12:32,367 is he attracted to me and and everything like that. 313 00:12:32,367 --> 00:12:34,367 So it's like, 314 00:12:34,367 --> 00:12:36,467 yeah, I really like him a lot. 315 00:12:36,467 --> 00:12:37,767 Just saying. [squeals in excitement] 316 00:12:37,767 --> 00:12:39,000 [chuckles] 317 00:12:50,266 --> 00:12:52,767 -[Gabriel] Hi, Mamma. -Oh, hi, honey. 318 00:12:52,767 --> 00:12:55,033 -How are you? -Do you want some help? 319 00:12:55,100 --> 00:12:56,133 I'm almost done. 320 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,333 Do you want some breakfast? 321 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,667 Yeah, but I'll make it. You're good. 322 00:12:59,667 --> 00:13:02,467 Gabriel, he's my deep thinker. 323 00:13:02,467 --> 00:13:04,266 He's always been my deep thinker. 324 00:13:04,266 --> 00:13:07,834 He's been going to Northern Arizona University. 325 00:13:07,900 --> 00:13:10,033 And I know he's been speaking with a counselor. 326 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:12,166 They're really great at the university 327 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:15,100 about making those resources available. 328 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:17,734 Do you want hard or soft yolk? 329 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:18,533 I like soft. 330 00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:19,900 -You like soft? Me too. -Yeah. 331 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Your dad always had this like... 332 00:13:23,867 --> 00:13:25,100 like this system, 333 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:26,767 like he didn't want them flipped over. 334 00:13:26,767 --> 00:13:29,533 He wanted to put the lid on or... 335 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,834 Yeah, and he always wants 336 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:32,667 a lemon and a cup of hot water 337 00:13:32,667 --> 00:13:36,100 -at a restaurant. -Yeah, he's got his routines. 338 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:38,667 -[Gabriel] He's pretty peculiar. -Yeah. 339 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:43,367 Kody has not really had much contact with my children 340 00:13:43,367 --> 00:13:46,467 since everything really went down with COVID. 341 00:13:46,467 --> 00:13:49,367 I think everybody's been just trying to be safe, 342 00:13:49,367 --> 00:13:51,567 and I don't know why Dad is... 343 00:13:51,567 --> 00:13:53,767 Maybe it's a form of midlife crisis. 344 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,333 See, I don't know. 345 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,300 -I think it's real. -Oh, I think it's real. 346 00:13:59,367 --> 00:14:01,934 I just don't think that it's serious enough 347 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 for him to not see us for the next six months. 348 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,934 [Janelle] After the COVID scare was over 349 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,800 and we all went back to our normal lives, 350 00:14:09,467 --> 00:14:11,367 we still couldn't reconcile as a family 351 00:14:11,367 --> 00:14:13,567 because Kody felt like, 352 00:14:13,567 --> 00:14:16,467 um, the boys needed to give an apology to him 353 00:14:16,467 --> 00:14:18,767 and to Robyn, especially to Robyn. 354 00:14:18,767 --> 00:14:20,433 And after... 355 00:14:21,767 --> 00:14:23,000 It sort of morphed into this, 356 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,367 "Well, they just need to come and talk to me." 357 00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:27,533 I mean, Kody's whole mantra was, "I've been... 358 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,567 My kids have been not loyal to me 359 00:14:29,567 --> 00:14:32,367 and the most precious person 360 00:14:32,367 --> 00:14:34,767 in this family who's given her heart and soul 361 00:14:34,767 --> 00:14:36,734 has been disrespected," 362 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,166 or some bull [bleep] like that. 363 00:14:38,166 --> 00:14:39,834 And I'm like, "Whatever, Kody." 364 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:41,266 Yeah, whatever. 365 00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:43,266 [Gabriel] He hit me up. It was, like, strange 366 00:14:43,266 --> 00:14:45,233 because he was like, "Hey, I miss you." 367 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:48,033 And then he kept, like, phrasing it like 368 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:49,734 I owed him an apology. 369 00:14:50,567 --> 00:14:51,900 And he's like... 370 00:14:52,467 --> 00:14:54,367 Eventually I was just like, "Hey, unless you're like 371 00:14:54,367 --> 00:14:57,634 actually ready to have a relationship and fix things, 372 00:14:57,700 --> 00:15:00,467 then we're not gonna talk anymore." 373 00:15:00,467 --> 00:15:03,033 He came back a couple of days later and texted me. 374 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:05,667 He was like, "Hey, I've been, like thinking about what you've been saying. 375 00:15:05,667 --> 00:15:08,233 I forgive you. Please forgive me." 376 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:10,233 I was like, "Forgive me for what? 377 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:14,133 Like what's going on here?" 378 00:15:15,166 --> 00:15:16,934 -So I don't-- -I wonder if there would 379 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,767 ever be any, I don't know. 380 00:15:18,767 --> 00:15:20,867 Because I told him you guys should get a counselor 381 00:15:20,867 --> 00:15:23,467 or something. I mean, like, I don't know. 382 00:15:23,467 --> 00:15:27,000 -What do you think? -I think Dad... I don't know. 383 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,967 I told Dad that if he doesn't change 384 00:15:29,967 --> 00:15:31,634 and he can't take accountability, 385 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:33,467 then I just won't ever see him again 386 00:15:33,467 --> 00:15:35,200 and I'm perfectly okay with that. 387 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Yeah, it's been a long time. 388 00:15:38,867 --> 00:15:39,934 In the very beginning, 389 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,433 Gabriel took it very hard 390 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:44,567 because Kody was someone who would take Gabriel 391 00:15:44,567 --> 00:15:46,567 with him on business trips. 392 00:15:46,567 --> 00:15:49,400 And like they had a really good relationship. 393 00:15:50,066 --> 00:15:51,634 Kody was an amazing father. 394 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,533 He was a totally engaged father, 395 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,667 and that continued 396 00:15:55,667 --> 00:15:56,867 through their, you know, 397 00:15:56,867 --> 00:15:59,066 high school years and everything. 398 00:15:59,066 --> 00:16:01,266 And then all of a sudden it was just like, 399 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:04,066 "Well, you're not obedient. 400 00:16:04,066 --> 00:16:05,367 You're not loyal. 401 00:16:05,367 --> 00:16:06,667 You're disrespectful. 402 00:16:06,667 --> 00:16:08,467 So I'm done with you." 403 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:09,233 Yeah. I don't know. 404 00:16:09,233 --> 00:16:11,000 I don't know what it would take. 405 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,634 At this point, everybody is so busy 406 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:15,100 and they're starting to spread out across the country and... 407 00:16:16,066 --> 00:16:20,567 I think it would take Dad really setting things straight 408 00:16:20,567 --> 00:16:23,567 and I think that that would take an act of God, so... 409 00:16:23,567 --> 00:16:25,867 I don't really know what Kody wants. 410 00:16:25,867 --> 00:16:28,133 The last I knew, he really just thinks 411 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,233 the kids should let him be their patriarch. 412 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:32,967 And how that would go, I think, is that 413 00:16:32,967 --> 00:16:35,433 they would have to conform to the way that 414 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:37,333 Kody and Robyn see the world. 415 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,934 That's how I perceive it. 416 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,033 And I think that's how my kids perceive it, too. 417 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:43,200 And they just don't want any part of that. 418 00:16:44,467 --> 00:16:47,166 Janelle is just dead wrong about me and patriarchy. 419 00:16:47,166 --> 00:16:48,567 I've never been patriarchal. 420 00:16:48,567 --> 00:16:50,467 I've never behaved patriarchal. 421 00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:53,533 I actually was just angry once when Christine was leaving 422 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,166 and I said, "Hey, we're going to do this patriarchy thing." 423 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:58,100 But I've never been patriarchal. 424 00:16:58,867 --> 00:17:01,567 He's really set in the whole 425 00:17:01,567 --> 00:17:04,600 like I was just trying to do what was good for the family. 426 00:17:05,166 --> 00:17:06,967 Like he's kind of stuck there. 427 00:17:06,967 --> 00:17:10,433 I don't buy that at all honestly like... 428 00:17:12,166 --> 00:17:15,100 I mean, this isn't like a popular opinion in our family, 429 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:18,367 but I think that he was doing right 430 00:17:18,367 --> 00:17:24,000 for the family members that he chose to be with, 431 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,634 not for the family. 432 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:27,934 I think a lot of the kids 433 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,834 feel like there was some definite... 434 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,567 -Favoritism. -Considering one person's perspective, 435 00:17:34,567 --> 00:17:37,300 -way more than the others. -I think so. 436 00:17:37,967 --> 00:17:39,567 I love my wives. I love my children. 437 00:17:39,567 --> 00:17:42,033 I just wanted to keep everybody safe. 438 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:42,900 When I got COVID, 439 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:44,734 I did become a little bit hostile. 440 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,934 It was like a sort of a bias from my experience. 441 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,467 I mean, I saw the Grim Reaper. 442 00:17:49,467 --> 00:17:51,433 It was scary. 443 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:54,266 -And, I mean, I think that he can say what he wants... -These look really good. 444 00:17:54,266 --> 00:17:58,033 ...but, you know, if it's brown and it stinks, 445 00:17:58,100 --> 00:17:59,867 it's probably [bleep]. 446 00:17:59,867 --> 00:18:02,333 My children have really begun to express 447 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,867 that they feel like COVID just presented an opportunity 448 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:06,834 for their dad to do 449 00:18:06,834 --> 00:18:08,433 what he's been wanting to do for a long time, 450 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:12,233 which was live and make a life with his favorite wife. 451 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:13,767 I mean, let's not mince words. 452 00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:16,567 And their dad had been expressing things to them 453 00:18:16,567 --> 00:18:18,333 just off the cuff about, 454 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,767 you know, he wished that he would have waited 455 00:18:19,767 --> 00:18:21,667 and just married Robyn. 456 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:23,567 I never once told any of my children 457 00:18:23,567 --> 00:18:26,133 that I wished that I would have waited and just married Robyn. 458 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,867 That's a misunderstanding 459 00:18:27,867 --> 00:18:30,834 that has become a gossip in the family. 460 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:32,467 It's like the telephone game 461 00:18:32,467 --> 00:18:34,867 or that game where you just repeat gossip 462 00:18:34,867 --> 00:18:36,767 and by the time it gets back to you, 463 00:18:36,767 --> 00:18:38,867 it's completely distorted. 464 00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:41,133 It's really untrue. 465 00:18:42,367 --> 00:18:44,266 I don't know what dad says that to their kids, 466 00:18:44,266 --> 00:18:47,166 but my kids have many stories like that. 467 00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:49,467 So they automatically now are thinking that 468 00:18:49,467 --> 00:18:51,667 this was just an opportunity 469 00:18:51,667 --> 00:18:55,934 for him to kind of maneuver into that position. 470 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,767 I texted Kody, and I said, "Hey, I went ahead 471 00:19:03,767 --> 00:19:05,100 and started the process 472 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:07,367 with the official termination 473 00:19:07,367 --> 00:19:09,867 through the church. 474 00:19:09,867 --> 00:19:13,734 And he never responded. 475 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,567 [Kody] I had moved on a long time ago, 476 00:19:15,567 --> 00:19:19,734 but I was afraid of what she would do 477 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,600 if I ripped off that Band-Aid. 478 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:35,333 Okay, so, this is an update 479 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,133 on what's going on with me and Kody. 480 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,100 It's been an interesting year. 481 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:43,900 Literally, it's been an interesting year. 482 00:19:45,266 --> 00:19:49,600 You want something that we can't have together. 483 00:19:52,266 --> 00:19:54,634 And we can always have something else. 484 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,333 But not that. 485 00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:00,834 [Meri] I really, really felt like that 486 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,266 he was just doing everything that he could 487 00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:06,467 to have me be the one to leave. 488 00:20:06,467 --> 00:20:08,233 So that he could say, 489 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:10,567 "My hands are clean, she's the one who left." 490 00:20:10,567 --> 00:20:14,567 So after that I decided I was gonna move forward 491 00:20:14,567 --> 00:20:20,233 with the official termination through the church 492 00:20:20,867 --> 00:20:22,433 where we had gotten married. 493 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,667 I texted Kody and I said, 494 00:20:24,667 --> 00:20:26,133 "Hey, I went ahead 495 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,667 and started the process. 496 00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:29,367 Um, in two weeks, 497 00:20:29,367 --> 00:20:32,734 if you wanna, you know, give any input, 498 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,000 have anything to do with it or whatever." 499 00:20:35,767 --> 00:20:40,200 And he never responded to my text. 500 00:20:42,266 --> 00:20:45,634 I did take a trip up to Utah earlier this week, 501 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,400 and I met with the leaders of our church, 502 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:55,266 and I was granted a, what is called in our church, a release. 503 00:20:55,266 --> 00:21:00,333 Um, which is basically the equivalent of a divorce. Um... 504 00:21:03,266 --> 00:21:06,233 It was a very, very hard conversation. 505 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:08,767 Hard in meaning heartbreaking 506 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:11,734 because this is not what I wanted to do. 507 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:18,100 This is not what I intended when I married Kody. 508 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:19,867 Back in 2014, Kody and I 509 00:21:19,867 --> 00:21:21,567 did do a legal divorce. 510 00:21:21,567 --> 00:21:24,100 And for me, that whole process 511 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:26,467 was purely for the fact 512 00:21:26,467 --> 00:21:29,567 that he could then marry Robyn legally 513 00:21:29,567 --> 00:21:32,567 and then adopt her three older kids. 514 00:21:32,567 --> 00:21:34,867 But our spiritual marriage, 515 00:21:34,867 --> 00:21:38,233 our spiritual sealing, was still intact. 516 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:42,800 When we marry, it is for eternity. Like, that's the intention. 517 00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:50,266 So once I had that terminated or released, 518 00:21:50,266 --> 00:21:51,967 that means it's done. 519 00:21:51,967 --> 00:21:56,667 Like, there's no... there's no bound 520 00:21:56,667 --> 00:21:58,800 that keeps us together for eternity. 521 00:21:59,867 --> 00:22:04,333 So Kody and I are no longer married in any way, shape or form. 522 00:22:05,467 --> 00:22:06,734 [sighs] 523 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,500 So there's that. 524 00:22:12,266 --> 00:22:16,367 So Robyn and I were driving home and I got a phone call 525 00:22:16,367 --> 00:22:17,867 from the church leader 526 00:22:17,867 --> 00:22:21,767 who said, "We've given Meri a release." 527 00:22:21,767 --> 00:22:24,000 And he said a few other things that I don't wanna 528 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,100 necessarily disclose, that sort of upset me. 529 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:31,066 They did say that it was on the grounds of abandonment, 530 00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:33,133 and I know he doesn't like that word. 531 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,500 Because he doesn't feel like he abandoned me. 532 00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:39,467 Um, I feel like he did. 533 00:22:39,467 --> 00:22:42,233 Robyn felt that if I waited on God, 534 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:43,867 that things could change 535 00:22:43,867 --> 00:22:45,433 for mine and Meri's relationship. 536 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,000 And that was advice that I took 537 00:22:48,667 --> 00:22:51,333 and I waited, and as time went on, 538 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400 I realized that it was never really going to work. 539 00:22:55,066 --> 00:22:56,834 And I'm sorry to Meri for that. 540 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,000 I wish I would have figured it out sooner. 541 00:23:00,867 --> 00:23:02,066 I'm gonna be going around 542 00:23:02,066 --> 00:23:04,567 and pulling down all pictures of Kody and me. 543 00:23:04,567 --> 00:23:06,567 They don't need to be there anymore. 544 00:23:06,567 --> 00:23:08,934 We're not a couple anymore. 545 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,166 And also we have spent 33 years together. 546 00:23:11,166 --> 00:23:14,000 This is like, literally, the majority of my life. 547 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,867 I was 19 when we got married, right? 548 00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:18,934 Like, it is my whole adult life. 549 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:26,233 [Robyn] Kody's been emotional 550 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:29,166 about this with Meri. 551 00:23:29,166 --> 00:23:31,467 He shed tears about the fact 552 00:23:31,467 --> 00:23:34,166 that he and Meri are splitting. 553 00:23:34,166 --> 00:23:37,533 And he said, "I just wish it didn't have to be this way." 554 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,834 Oh, I'm absolutely relieved that it's done. 555 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:43,233 It's sad. It's heartbreaking, 556 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:45,467 but I am relieved that it's done. 557 00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:48,033 I had moved on a long time ago, 558 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,433 but let's just be honest here. 559 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:54,233 I was afraid of what she would do 560 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,834 if I ripped off that Band-Aid. 561 00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:01,033 It's 'cause Meri was never loyal to me, ever. 562 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:02,367 That's what I've been worried about 563 00:24:02,367 --> 00:24:03,567 is just kind of reputation. 564 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:07,233 'Cause when you get divorced, your reputation is trashed. 565 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:12,367 [Meri] It's really just sad that Kody 566 00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:14,066 is talking about our marriage 567 00:24:14,066 --> 00:24:15,867 the way that he's talking about it. 568 00:24:15,867 --> 00:24:21,266 It feels like the narrative has changed with him. 569 00:24:21,266 --> 00:24:23,533 But the things that he's saying 570 00:24:24,166 --> 00:24:25,634 about me to other people, 571 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,767 and that people are believing, are not true. 572 00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:33,367 I'm just starting fresh and new and single and me 573 00:24:33,367 --> 00:24:36,767 and, you know, I have a lot of plans and ideas... 574 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:42,300 And I've got a lot of things ahead of me that I'm super excited about. 575 00:24:43,767 --> 00:24:45,634 And also I'm dealing with this pain right now. 576 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,700 So it's this weird conflict in my head, but... 577 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,533 No, I have not told anybody in the family 578 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,266 that I went through this divorce process 579 00:24:56,266 --> 00:25:00,100 besides my own kid, you know? And obviously Kody knows, 580 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,367 and so whoever he's told. I'm sure he's told Robyn, 581 00:25:02,367 --> 00:25:05,233 but I just don't see it necessary. 582 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:06,467 You know, Janelle and Christine 583 00:25:06,467 --> 00:25:08,266 are already separated from Kody 584 00:25:08,266 --> 00:25:10,166 and moving on and doing their own thing. 585 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:14,166 And it would just be weird for me to just pick up a phone 586 00:25:14,166 --> 00:25:14,967 and tell somebody, 587 00:25:14,967 --> 00:25:17,533 who I don't really talk to anyway, 588 00:25:18,166 --> 00:25:21,567 that I just separated. 589 00:25:21,567 --> 00:25:23,867 [Janelle] So Kody called me to talk about something 590 00:25:23,867 --> 00:25:25,634 and he's like, "Oh, by the way, Meri got her 591 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:28,166 spiritual release from me." And I'm like, "Okay, good. 592 00:25:28,166 --> 00:25:29,567 Good for her. I didn't know you could do that." 593 00:25:29,567 --> 00:25:30,533 I didn't know we were eligible 594 00:25:30,533 --> 00:25:32,100 'cause we're no longer part of the community, 595 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,567 but I'm like, "Good. All right, cool." 596 00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:35,967 I don't even know who to ask. 597 00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:37,166 I don't even know anybody 598 00:25:37,166 --> 00:25:38,734 at the church over there anymore. 599 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,100 And I... I just don't feel inclined to 600 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:43,634 because I'm just not... I don't know. 601 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,166 Just is not an issue for me. 602 00:25:45,166 --> 00:25:46,734 I'm not even part of that church. 603 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,133 And I don't respect any of the leaders of that church. 604 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,066 And I don't think they have any say over my life. 605 00:25:52,066 --> 00:25:55,000 But Meri did, and I am really glad that she did. 606 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,433 I'm glad that she got the release. 607 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,133 I think that's really, really cool. 608 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,767 Good for her. 609 00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:04,000 I've no intention of becoming the bitter ex-wife. 610 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,433 Um, I just don't want that for me. 611 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,533 It doesn't serve me, so... 612 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,900 I'm letting go of all of that. 613 00:26:13,567 --> 00:26:16,166 It's sad because there were so many times 614 00:26:16,166 --> 00:26:22,233 when Meri and Kody and I would be together hanging out 615 00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:25,834 and I would just feel the destiny in it. 616 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,767 Do you want me to leave so you guys can kiss hi? 617 00:26:27,767 --> 00:26:29,567 [laughs] 618 00:26:29,567 --> 00:26:32,100 No, we can... Here, she's not looking. 619 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:34,266 -Okay. -Oh, jeez. 620 00:26:34,266 --> 00:26:38,266 [Robyn] And I just really hope that she continues to 621 00:26:38,266 --> 00:26:40,667 want to be friends with him, want to be friends with me 622 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:42,266 and that we can still have some of those 623 00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:44,500 experiences together and... 624 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,734 And I just hope Meri is okay. 625 00:26:51,567 --> 00:26:52,533 [Meri] I'm glad it's done, 626 00:26:52,533 --> 00:26:54,700 and now I can start the new year fresh. 627 00:26:55,567 --> 00:26:58,934 And also, it's heartbreaking. 628 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,066 [Meri] Fireworks. 629 00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:02,233 -Yeah, fireworks. -[Meri laughing] 630 00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:06,734 [Meri] I'll never regret the years 631 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,266 because I know that I am who I am today 632 00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:12,266 because of what I have learned, 633 00:27:12,266 --> 00:27:14,867 what I have gone through, you know? 634 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:17,200 And I'm happy with who I am. 635 00:27:20,467 --> 00:27:24,567 And I'm also looking forward to what's to come. 636 00:27:24,567 --> 00:27:27,200 Who knows what's gonna be in my future, you know? 637 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,533 There's a lot of anger towards Robyn. 638 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,166 If she actually believes that 639 00:27:36,166 --> 00:27:39,166 we were mistreating her or her children in any way 640 00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:42,667 when she was constantly getting favorited by Dad, 641 00:27:42,667 --> 00:27:44,867 then there's no chance of me having a relationship 642 00:27:44,867 --> 00:27:46,400 with Robyn ever again. 643 00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:59,834 So, yeah, I don't know. 644 00:27:59,834 --> 00:28:04,467 I mean, like, your dad will, um, he does see Savannah. 645 00:28:04,467 --> 00:28:06,033 It's not frequently. 646 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,000 But every couple of months or, 647 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,567 you know, he'll call and they'll go out. 648 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:12,834 But, you know, I don't know. 649 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,233 The rest of the kids don't really have much 650 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,934 of any kind of connection with him. 651 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,834 I've talked to Savannah about it, 652 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:21,634 and she's like, "Look, I just have 653 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,567 come to realize that this is who he is. 654 00:28:23,567 --> 00:28:25,266 He's gonna be kind of that dad 655 00:28:25,266 --> 00:28:27,367 who shows up and we have a lot of fun 656 00:28:27,367 --> 00:28:28,300 and then he's gone." 657 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,567 I can meet him where he's at. It's okay. 658 00:28:30,567 --> 00:28:37,233 But my older boys take really strong responsibility for Savannah. 659 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,000 In fact, Savannah, as a side note, Savannah said that 660 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,367 that's who will walk her down the aisle 661 00:28:40,367 --> 00:28:42,834 when she gets married, will be her brothers. 662 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,300 What do you think about, um... 663 00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:47,433 'Cause he used to always, you know, like, 664 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,867 "I have somebody in my life 665 00:28:48,867 --> 00:28:51,667 who just sacrificed everything 666 00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:53,667 and did everything for this family, 667 00:28:53,667 --> 00:28:54,900 and we've treated her like dirt." 668 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,367 And I'm like, "I don't remember ever treating her badly." 669 00:28:58,367 --> 00:29:00,066 I think that Robyn... 670 00:29:03,266 --> 00:29:06,133 ...definitely has a victim complex... 671 00:29:07,967 --> 00:29:09,600 I mean, to put it bluntly. 672 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,667 I don't necessarily blame her for that. 673 00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:15,433 I think that different people, 674 00:29:16,066 --> 00:29:17,967 you know, devise different strategies 675 00:29:17,967 --> 00:29:20,667 to keep themselves afloat. But... 676 00:29:20,667 --> 00:29:24,066 And I feel really bad about the kids 'cause I'm like, you know-- 677 00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:26,433 I miss having a relationship with all of them. 678 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,767 But I also... I don't blame them at all 679 00:29:29,767 --> 00:29:32,900 for following on... along party lines, you know? 680 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,867 My kids aren't really... They are very... 681 00:29:36,867 --> 00:29:39,133 There's a lot of anger towards Robyn. 682 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,467 They just feel like Robyn is always 683 00:29:42,467 --> 00:29:44,834 kind of waiting to, like, to say... 684 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,667 When they say something or do something, 685 00:29:46,667 --> 00:29:48,333 she's gonna twist it all around. 686 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,567 That's how they feel about, how they feel about it. 687 00:29:50,567 --> 00:29:53,166 You know what I mean? They're leery of Robyn. 688 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:54,567 They are. 689 00:29:54,567 --> 00:29:58,233 If she actually believes that 690 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,300 we were mistreating her or her children in any way, 691 00:30:02,567 --> 00:30:06,133 when she was constantly getting favorited by Dad, 692 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,266 and we were always working 693 00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:10,467 on our relationship with her kids... 694 00:30:10,467 --> 00:30:13,433 If she actually believes that, then there's no chance 695 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,800 of me having a relationship with Robyn ever again. 696 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:18,367 Robyn always strongly supported 697 00:30:18,367 --> 00:30:20,634 my relationships with the whole family. 698 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:21,700 Robyn herself, 699 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,967 her last two conversations with Janelle were... 700 00:30:24,967 --> 00:30:27,767 was Robyn begging Janelle 701 00:30:27,767 --> 00:30:30,166 to have a relationship with her. 702 00:30:30,166 --> 00:30:32,133 Janelle's a relationship coward. 703 00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:34,133 And I don't know. 704 00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:36,166 I just I don't have a lot of respect for Robyn, 705 00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:40,000 so it's hard for me to rationalize some of her actions. 706 00:30:41,166 --> 00:30:42,634 And maybe, you know, maybe that's 707 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:43,500 the reason that she's like, 708 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,567 "Oh, you, you've always hated us," 709 00:30:45,567 --> 00:30:49,133 is because she doesn't have our respect anymore. 710 00:30:50,467 --> 00:30:53,367 Because she does [bleep] like that. 711 00:30:53,367 --> 00:30:55,033 [Janelle] I don't know. 712 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,433 It's really, really a mess. 713 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:57,900 It just feels like it's such a mess. 714 00:30:58,767 --> 00:31:00,667 I don't know what really happened there, 715 00:31:00,667 --> 00:31:06,333 but they feel like there was a lot of, um, triangulation. 716 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,100 Like, ego stroking, like, manipulation. 717 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,367 I, at this point, I am... 718 00:31:12,367 --> 00:31:18,667 The thing I want most is to just have a relationship with Robyn's children again. 719 00:31:18,667 --> 00:31:20,567 Like, when, I mean, in middle school, Aurora 720 00:31:20,567 --> 00:31:23,000 was my favorite person to hang out with. 721 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,333 And in high school, I would always try to hit Dayton up. 722 00:31:26,767 --> 00:31:30,800 But I'm not hopeful for a relationship with Dad and Robyn. 723 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:33,133 Um, Gabriel really is sort of... 724 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,266 He's at peace. He's at peace 725 00:31:34,266 --> 00:31:36,166 that his dad is not in his life. 726 00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:39,934 And, you know, that's what I hope for all of my kids, 727 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,133 and I think they're all getting there. 728 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,567 I don't know what his beef is with me. 729 00:31:43,567 --> 00:31:47,367 I think it's because I literally sat him down and had a conversation 730 00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:49,033 -about it with him. -Yeah. 731 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:50,767 And he just couldn't... 732 00:31:50,767 --> 00:31:52,567 he just couldn't handle the fact 733 00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:54,934 that I was calm and collected 734 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,433 and said, "Hey, you're... you're hurting this family. 735 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:58,533 No one else." 736 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,266 And he's like... something like, 737 00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:02,767 "You're not loyal, just like your mother." 738 00:32:02,767 --> 00:32:04,533 And I was like, "Okay." 739 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,934 Oh. It's okay. You know, I'm good. 740 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,300 He can say what he wants to say. 741 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,567 This conversation never happened. 742 00:32:11,567 --> 00:32:13,033 COVID caused a lot of problems 743 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:14,300 for a lot of people, all right? 744 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:18,367 But those people whose relationships had the fortitude... 745 00:32:18,367 --> 00:32:23,100 to survive, those relationships survived. 746 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,467 It's so interesting 'cause Kody throws around 747 00:32:24,467 --> 00:32:26,467 this like, "You're not loyal, you don't respect me." 748 00:32:26,467 --> 00:32:28,767 And I'm like, "I'm thinking that's a two-way street, buddy." 749 00:32:28,767 --> 00:32:30,767 He was never like that before. 750 00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:33,667 He used to not ever use these words. 751 00:32:33,667 --> 00:32:36,066 It was always about love and charity 752 00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:38,667 and work together as a team and all this and now suddenly 753 00:32:38,667 --> 00:32:41,367 it's about loyalty and respect and disrespect 754 00:32:41,367 --> 00:32:43,266 and not loyal and all these things. 755 00:32:43,266 --> 00:32:46,033 So he's had some sort of a flip. 756 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,000 But how are you doing, Mom? 757 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,233 I'm all right. Everything is really good. 758 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,233 I'm happy. Really, really happy. 759 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:53,867 -So... -I mean, it's not easy though. 760 00:32:53,867 --> 00:32:57,533 I stuck it out because you guys were still home and all that. 761 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,567 And then when he no longer was a really great father, 762 00:33:01,567 --> 00:33:03,433 it's kind of... I kind of feel like I had the ability 763 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,900 to go do something different. So... 764 00:33:06,867 --> 00:33:09,634 I'm just so frustrated with Kody. 765 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:10,800 Look, I've seen this happen. 766 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,266 I have several women I've worked with over the years 767 00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:15,634 who... who divorced 768 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:19,433 and then the father just goes MIA with the kids, you know? 769 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:21,867 I'm really sorry that Gabriel feels this way. 770 00:33:21,867 --> 00:33:27,567 I have reached out to him multiple times, only to get rejected. 771 00:33:27,567 --> 00:33:30,700 But it wasn't from a lack of trying on my part. 772 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:34,367 I am glad you did seek out counseling on your own. 773 00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:36,567 And I thought that was really smart. So... 774 00:33:36,567 --> 00:33:38,233 I think a lot of us need it. 775 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,166 I do, too. I actually think we all need it. So... 776 00:33:41,166 --> 00:33:43,667 I mean, you don't just go through your family 777 00:33:43,667 --> 00:33:48,600 -crumbling to bits and not need therapy. Like... -Yeah. Yeah. 778 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,967 Look, I know that probably for long-term emotional health 779 00:33:57,967 --> 00:34:00,066 there needs to be some resolution. 780 00:34:00,066 --> 00:34:03,533 And right now, the kids are still processing it a lot. 781 00:34:04,567 --> 00:34:08,033 I would like to see them come to a place of peace. 782 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,200 Maybe not reconciliation, though, 'cause I'm not sure reconciliation is possible. 783 00:34:16,867 --> 00:34:17,967 [Robyn] When I was a young girl, 784 00:34:17,967 --> 00:34:20,867 I wanted to be in a plural family. 785 00:34:20,867 --> 00:34:23,266 That's something that was a really big deal to me. 786 00:34:23,266 --> 00:34:26,900 This isn't what I envisioned my life to be. 787 00:34:27,967 --> 00:34:30,133 [voice shaking] I don't see my future anymore. 788 00:34:31,066 --> 00:34:36,367 For me now, my prayer was just like, save me and Robyn 789 00:34:36,367 --> 00:34:39,700 after this horrible experience of breaking up. 790 00:34:53,967 --> 00:34:56,500 It's 1:00 a.m. on the 24th of December. 791 00:34:57,667 --> 00:35:02,467 And this is the first Christmas since I married Kody 792 00:35:02,467 --> 00:35:07,033 that I won't have any other family around, 793 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:09,734 except for just me and the kids and Kody. 794 00:35:11,266 --> 00:35:12,400 Um... 795 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:36,634 When I was a young girl, 796 00:35:36,634 --> 00:35:39,667 I wanted to be in a plural family. 797 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:41,667 It was something that was a really big deal to me. 798 00:35:41,667 --> 00:35:44,467 And then as I got older, I went through a process 799 00:35:44,467 --> 00:35:46,133 of trying to figure out 800 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,467 if I, you know, still wanted to live this way. 801 00:35:49,467 --> 00:35:50,734 You know, 'cause when you're young, 802 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,567 you kind of do what your parents want you to do. 803 00:35:53,567 --> 00:35:55,567 And you kind of feel like 804 00:35:55,567 --> 00:35:57,767 this is, you know, you grew up a certain way, 805 00:35:57,767 --> 00:36:00,266 so this is how you're gonna live and... 806 00:36:00,266 --> 00:36:03,300 And then as I got older, I... 807 00:36:09,266 --> 00:36:13,800 [all speaking indistinctly] 808 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,066 [Robyn] And when I saw Kody's family, 809 00:36:16,066 --> 00:36:19,934 I was so excited to be a part of it. 810 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:26,300 I liked how they were one family. 811 00:36:28,867 --> 00:36:32,400 This isn't what I envisioned my life to be. 812 00:36:35,467 --> 00:36:37,600 I always wanted to live plural marriage. 813 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,567 I'm in this place where everything 814 00:36:41,567 --> 00:36:46,367 that's going on is just... it's taking away 815 00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:48,100 all those choices for me. 816 00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:51,233 I'm struggling with my identity 817 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:56,000 and what does it mean? And... Uh... 818 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600 [voice shaking] I don't see my future anymore. 819 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,767 [sniffles] 820 00:37:03,767 --> 00:37:06,634 And the hopes and dreams that I had 821 00:37:07,667 --> 00:37:11,800 are just disappearing before my eyes. 822 00:37:13,667 --> 00:37:16,033 [crying] 823 00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,467 Robyn's holding on to something, 824 00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:20,333 I've always said this woman has a spine 825 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,166 of concrete and steel, 826 00:37:22,166 --> 00:37:23,166 and she's been holding on 827 00:37:23,166 --> 00:37:25,100 to the dream that I sold her on 828 00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,467 with my family for a lot longer. 829 00:37:27,467 --> 00:37:28,467 But I keep trying to go, 830 00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:30,033 "Let's move on. 831 00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:31,467 Let's let this go. 832 00:37:31,467 --> 00:37:33,600 Let's just tell ourselves 833 00:37:34,467 --> 00:37:36,567 and believe it because I believe it now, 834 00:37:36,567 --> 00:37:39,033 it was never meant to be. 835 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:40,667 It was never meant to work." 836 00:37:40,667 --> 00:37:41,767 We had children together. 837 00:37:41,767 --> 00:37:43,467 We gave life to these children. 838 00:37:43,467 --> 00:37:46,166 These children can have a great life, 839 00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:48,700 just not with a mom and dad that are together. 840 00:38:05,367 --> 00:38:10,367 [Meri] You know, overall, when I look at what our family has been 841 00:38:10,367 --> 00:38:12,166 and looking at what it is now, 842 00:38:12,166 --> 00:38:13,467 it is very sad. 843 00:38:13,467 --> 00:38:15,367 And, you know, when... 844 00:38:15,367 --> 00:38:21,066 when you find out that your husband just really didn't love you, 845 00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:25,100 nor did he, with many of the other wives in the family, 846 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:28,467 it's like, "Well, you know, I'm sad that it's come to this, 847 00:38:28,467 --> 00:38:31,233 but like, why did it take so long to come to this? 848 00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:32,367 Why did it even start 849 00:38:32,367 --> 00:38:34,533 if this isn't something that 850 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,233 he was interested in, you know?" 851 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,233 And so I need to make sure they all still have a holiday that's special and sweet. 852 00:38:52,867 --> 00:38:55,100 It just hit me so hard that I just... 853 00:38:57,166 --> 00:39:00,200 I just don't get to have the perfect Christmas. 854 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:06,400 'Cause my family's not here. 855 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,066 [indistinct shouting] 856 00:39:11,066 --> 00:39:14,000 One, two, three, go! 857 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,133 [all exclaiming] 858 00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,533 [Christine] What we had, where all of us were together, 859 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,900 those were some pretty fun Christmases. 860 00:39:27,266 --> 00:39:28,266 [Janelle] You know, we all sat down. 861 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:30,734 They opened their presents one at a time, 862 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,033 and we had certain foods for Christmas, 863 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:34,333 and it was just really fun. 864 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,333 And it just feels like now that, 865 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,634 especially with the big changes in family dynamic, 866 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:42,233 it's time to do something a little bit different. 867 00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:44,667 It's time to create some new traditions 868 00:39:44,667 --> 00:39:46,533 and some new things to have fun with, 869 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,533 and some new ways to celebrate, 870 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,166 that have nothing to do with how things used to be 871 00:39:52,166 --> 00:39:54,800 and everything to do with how you want them to be. 872 00:39:55,967 --> 00:40:00,100 [indistinct shouting] 873 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:05,567 For me now? My prayer was just, like, "Save me and Robyn." 874 00:40:05,567 --> 00:40:08,667 I have this wonderful relationship with her. 875 00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:10,166 The pain of this experience 876 00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:13,767 has caused much trouble in our own relationship. 877 00:40:13,767 --> 00:40:16,967 It's been a real struggle, so I hope and pray 878 00:40:16,967 --> 00:40:18,567 that we just manage it. 879 00:40:18,567 --> 00:40:21,867 That we, we... we save our marriage. That we save us. 880 00:40:21,867 --> 00:40:26,500 We save the special that we started out with, 881 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:31,000 after this horrible experience of breaking up. 882 00:40:32,567 --> 00:40:34,400 I'm just so heartbroken. 883 00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:37,667 [softly] Oh, my God. 884 00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:39,934 The only thing that keeps my head above the water... 885 00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:55,967 I just had to take a moment 886 00:40:55,967 --> 00:41:01,433 and feel it and... and process. 887 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,133 [sobbing] So I can get up tomorrow, 888 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,667 put on a happy face and make it beautiful 889 00:41:09,667 --> 00:41:14,900 and make it special and... I owe that to my kids. 890 00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:19,166 And I know that Kody's gonna struggle, 891 00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:22,934 and I don't know, I just... [crying] 892 00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:27,800 It's just not what I expected my life to be. 893 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,133 And I... I don't know how to let it go. 894 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:38,266 [indistinct shouting] 895 00:41:38,266 --> 00:41:41,233 [all] Merry Christmas! 896 00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,100 [all cheering] 897 00:41:45,266 --> 00:41:47,367 [narrator reading] 898 00:41:47,367 --> 00:41:50,166 [Meri] There's absolutely no way, shape or form 899 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:52,667 I would choose to spend Christmas with them. 900 00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:53,900 We're done. 901 00:41:55,867 --> 00:41:56,867 I'm 50. 902 00:41:56,867 --> 00:41:58,867 I know what I want. I know what I had before. 903 00:41:58,867 --> 00:42:00,467 So do you think this is long-term? 904 00:42:00,467 --> 00:42:01,433 Yes. 905 00:42:01,433 --> 00:42:03,867 We have said the magical words to each other. 906 00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:05,233 He did say it first. 907 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,867 I said it right after though. 908 00:42:06,867 --> 00:42:09,834 So I'm excited to where this is going to be going to. 909 00:42:11,867 --> 00:42:13,166 [Kody] You know what really sucks? 910 00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:14,734 It's not divorce that sucks. 911 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,567 It's marrying the wrong person. 912 00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:20,133 What sucks is marrying the wrong person 913 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,367 and not having the decency to tell her 914 00:42:22,367 --> 00:42:25,066 until 32 years later. 915 00:42:25,066 --> 00:42:27,800 I wish I wouldn't have ever married her.