1 00:00:00,934 --> 00:00:02,400 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,100 [Christine] Oh, my God! [laughs] 3 00:00:06,100 --> 00:00:07,867 I've never felt like this before. 4 00:00:07,867 --> 00:00:09,600 Never been this much in love either. 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,266 I never loved Kody as much as I loved David. 6 00:00:12,266 --> 00:00:16,100 -We're getting married! -[all cheering] 7 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:18,900 Been like, what? Two days? Three days maybe? 8 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:20,867 I want to start dating guys 9 00:00:20,867 --> 00:00:23,200 who kind of believe the same thing 10 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,000 and have the same, like, life goal as me. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,867 They're interested in dating, you know, 12 00:00:28,867 --> 00:00:31,667 a guy that is, has similar beliefs. 13 00:00:31,667 --> 00:00:33,000 But I'm like, "Hey, that's not-- 14 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 shouldn't be the reason why you're at a church." 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,667 They don't have any churches around here 16 00:00:36,667 --> 00:00:38,600 that will blame plural marriage. 17 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,734 I don't have the same call to it. 18 00:00:43,266 --> 00:00:44,233 I even hear it now, 19 00:00:44,233 --> 00:00:46,767 like, you probably would do one more chance. 20 00:00:46,767 --> 00:00:49,200 There's a point where they don't deserve the chances. 21 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:51,700 [Meri] It was a good time with him. 22 00:00:52,066 --> 00:00:53,533 It was. 23 00:00:55,667 --> 00:00:56,834 But now we're done. 24 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:00,834 [sighs] Cheers to that. 25 00:01:02,266 --> 00:01:04,433 [theme music playing] 26 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:34,967 It's nice to go on a date and we're going on one. 27 00:01:34,967 --> 00:01:37,300 I like to connect with this woman. 28 00:01:39,166 --> 00:01:41,367 -Okay. You guys all good? -[Aurora] Yeah. 29 00:01:41,367 --> 00:01:42,800 You're good? All right. 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,400 Okay. So, you're always good. 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,567 When you have kids at home, especially little kids, 32 00:01:47,567 --> 00:01:52,166 um, it's not always easy to go out on a date. 33 00:01:52,166 --> 00:01:55,000 The girls are very busy with college and, 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,266 you know, it's like, you got homework, 35 00:01:56,266 --> 00:01:58,400 you got bedtime, you got dinner. 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,100 -Bye. -[Kody] All right, bye. I love you. 37 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:01,266 -Thank you. -[Robyn] Bye, guys. 38 00:02:01,266 --> 00:02:02,634 -[Kody] See ya. -[Robyn] Bye, 39 00:02:06,266 --> 00:02:07,800 So, when I take her out, 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,000 I hope she doesn't feel pressure. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,300 But I'm like, "Oh, I've finally got her all to myself. 42 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:15,834 There's so much I wanna talk about." 43 00:02:21,567 --> 00:02:23,166 Let me get your chair, Robyn. 44 00:02:23,166 --> 00:02:24,367 [Robyn] Okay. 45 00:02:25,266 --> 00:02:28,266 Aurora and Breanna came to me and asked me 46 00:02:28,266 --> 00:02:31,200 about, like, trying to help them find a church. 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,166 They're just ready for that step in their lives. 48 00:02:34,166 --> 00:02:36,467 So, I need to kinda talk to Kody and 49 00:02:36,467 --> 00:02:38,500 fill him out to see what he thinks. 50 00:02:49,166 --> 00:02:50,667 We're gonna have an engagement party. 51 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:52,867 It's just another reason to all get together 52 00:02:52,867 --> 00:02:56,000 and have our kids really mingle with each other. 53 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:02,667 I definitely did not have an engagement party when I married Kody. 54 00:03:02,667 --> 00:03:03,634 It's so weird. 55 00:03:03,634 --> 00:03:06,500 In a church that celebrates plural marriage, 56 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:10,634 they don't celebrate the weddings of plural wives. 57 00:03:13,367 --> 00:03:14,767 -[Hunter] Well, he wants my cup... -Coochie choochie! 58 00:03:14,767 --> 00:03:16,233 [Hunter] ...but I'm gonna trade him for it. 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Then maybe it's because it's a whole society in secrecy. 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,266 So, the plural marriages get swept under, you know... 61 00:03:23,266 --> 00:03:24,800 [whispers] 62 00:03:26,867 --> 00:03:28,667 -I didn't tell you I was coming. -[Aspyn] Oh, yeah? [laughs] 63 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:30,166 -You look amazing, Mama. -[Janelle] All right. 64 00:03:30,166 --> 00:03:31,500 Christine is having so much fun, 65 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:33,266 she's doing all the things right. 66 00:03:33,266 --> 00:03:35,667 All the things associated with getting married. 67 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:36,967 It's gonna be a really quick trip. 68 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:39,667 I'm going home tomorrow but I'm gonna be here. 69 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:40,767 Janelle, I like your dress. 70 00:03:40,767 --> 00:03:43,166 -[Ysabel] You look incredible. -That's awesome, hey. 71 00:03:43,166 --> 00:03:44,433 [Ysabel] Incredible. 72 00:03:44,433 --> 00:03:47,266 -Um, I'm trying to, to branch out. -I love it, it's so cute. 73 00:03:47,266 --> 00:03:49,700 Yeah, I didn't have an engagement party when I married Kody. 74 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:50,700 It wasn't really a big deal. 75 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:53,500 Like we, it just wasn't something we really did. 76 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:54,900 Hey. 77 00:03:55,467 --> 00:03:56,967 Look at your pink dress. 78 00:03:56,967 --> 00:03:58,166 [Janelle] I did it. I wore it. 79 00:03:58,166 --> 00:04:00,066 [Christine] Oh, my God, hi. 80 00:04:00,066 --> 00:04:01,200 Janelle and Hunter are here. 81 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,233 That they would come so far 82 00:04:02,233 --> 00:04:05,367 to just come to an engagement party means a lot. 83 00:04:05,367 --> 00:04:08,266 We have this, you know, bit of a messed up family right now. 84 00:04:08,266 --> 00:04:12,467 So, having things that we do together is really important. 85 00:04:12,467 --> 00:04:13,567 We'll make sure you guys get food. 86 00:04:13,567 --> 00:04:16,767 The birria tacos with the consomme are where it's at. 87 00:04:16,767 --> 00:04:19,000 -Okay. -And the street corn. 88 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,066 Mom's now engaged. 89 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:21,867 We're extremely happy for her. 90 00:04:21,867 --> 00:04:23,467 She's been engaged for two seconds, 91 00:04:23,467 --> 00:04:25,800 she's been dating him for 10 seconds, 92 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,166 but we're all very happy for her. 93 00:04:28,166 --> 00:04:31,000 -You look so beautiful in white. -[Christine] Thanks, sister. 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,266 -Thank you. I know 'cause I'm the bride. -Oh, my. 95 00:04:33,266 --> 00:04:36,100 I've been noticing Christine's wearing white more and more. 96 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:39,000 But it's tacos, so I'm not sure how that's gonna go. 97 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,567 But you know, she doesn't have to, she can be careful. 98 00:04:41,567 --> 00:04:43,000 I bet-- Nobody's betting me yet. 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,400 Five bucks, she'll get something on that dress. 100 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,233 -All in, five... -You wanna take that bet? 101 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,266 [all laughing] 102 00:04:49,266 --> 00:04:51,567 [Christine] Why are you betting against me? 103 00:04:51,567 --> 00:04:52,900 He's rubbish. 104 00:04:54,266 --> 00:04:56,000 David just loves to push buttons. 105 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,667 Mykelti and David are so similar. 106 00:04:57,667 --> 00:04:59,166 I'm basically marrying my daughter. 107 00:04:59,166 --> 00:05:00,367 It's awesome. 108 00:05:00,367 --> 00:05:01,967 Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited. 109 00:05:01,967 --> 00:05:04,567 I'm not getting the dipping sauce tonight, sadly enough. 110 00:05:04,567 --> 00:05:06,033 I would spill all of my-- 111 00:05:06,767 --> 00:05:08,867 But I brought a white backup dress. 112 00:05:08,867 --> 00:05:13,000 Our kids have meshed really well together. 113 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,233 They're doing fantastic. 114 00:05:14,233 --> 00:05:17,567 Mykelti's always like, "Why are you guys breaking up into, 115 00:05:17,567 --> 00:05:19,367 to like different sections? I don't like this." 116 00:05:19,367 --> 00:05:20,367 So, she makes sure everybody gets together. 117 00:05:20,367 --> 00:05:22,734 And then his daughter Gray does the same thing. 118 00:05:23,066 --> 00:05:24,066 David and my kids, 119 00:05:24,066 --> 00:05:26,967 that relationship is going really, really well. 120 00:05:26,967 --> 00:05:29,367 My relationship with David's kids is going well. 121 00:05:29,367 --> 00:05:31,233 He has some amazing children. 122 00:05:32,266 --> 00:05:33,634 Amazing people. 123 00:05:35,367 --> 00:05:37,000 Oh, the tacos are so good 124 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,300 and there's this dipping consomme sauce. 125 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:40,467 And I knew I shouldn't. 126 00:05:40,467 --> 00:05:41,800 I knew I shouldn't dip it, 127 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,800 but it's so good with the dipping sauce. 128 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,533 Damn it! I did it, [bleep]. 129 00:05:47,166 --> 00:05:49,100 And I dipped it, and first bite, 130 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:50,800 boom shakalaka. 131 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,100 I'm that person 132 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:53,767 even though I wear very boring colors, 133 00:05:53,767 --> 00:05:57,800 I always have one of those stain pens in my purse. 134 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,567 I'm messy regardless of what color. 135 00:05:59,567 --> 00:06:02,734 And so, I know that I need one of those all the time with me. 136 00:06:03,367 --> 00:06:04,266 With you? 137 00:06:04,266 --> 00:06:06,300 I think so. Hang on. 138 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:09,000 -I've been trying to travel with them. -If she doesn't, Ysabel might. 139 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,867 I have a beef broth on my white dress. 140 00:06:11,867 --> 00:06:13,967 And David's not here right now. 141 00:06:13,967 --> 00:06:17,867 So, I have an opportunity to get rid of this spot 142 00:06:17,867 --> 00:06:19,266 before he comes back. 143 00:06:19,266 --> 00:06:20,467 And I'm like, "Janelle!" 144 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:24,266 Before David comes, he's betting against me. Ass [bleep]. 145 00:06:24,266 --> 00:06:27,667 -No. Now. No, no. -[Mykelti] Dav-- David. 146 00:06:27,667 --> 00:06:29,066 Janelle, rush. 147 00:06:29,066 --> 00:06:31,700 I start scrubbing it and Mykelti saw. 148 00:06:31,700 --> 00:06:35,100 And Mykelti looks over and she's like, "David," 149 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,900 getting him to come over faster. 150 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,100 And I'm scrubbing it. 151 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:40,500 -No. -[Janelle] I got you. 152 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:44,033 [Janelle laughs] 153 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,867 I won myself 5 bucks. 154 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:49,767 Thank you. Thank you. 155 00:06:49,767 --> 00:06:51,767 And he wasn't even casual about it. 156 00:06:51,767 --> 00:06:54,900 He just basically was excited to win $5. 157 00:06:55,467 --> 00:06:56,900 -[Janelle] Oh. -[David laughs] 158 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:58,567 [Janelle] It's not been used, you might have to kind of... 159 00:06:58,567 --> 00:07:00,266 -I got 5 bucks. -[Janelle] ...wake it up. 160 00:07:00,266 --> 00:07:01,233 I remember telling my brother. 161 00:07:01,233 --> 00:07:03,066 One time, we were watching a ridiculous show 162 00:07:03,066 --> 00:07:04,400 where it was love at first sight. 163 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,100 And I just told him, I said, "It's not like that. 164 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:07,800 There's no such thing as love like that." 165 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,867 Love happens over time. It can also be a spark. 166 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:12,033 [clicks tongue] 167 00:07:12,033 --> 00:07:15,200 I mean, I knew I loved Kody, and I was in love with Kody. 168 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,500 But how I feel about David is so astronomically deeper. 169 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:20,700 [Hunter] Already? 170 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:22,367 -Shut up. -[Hunter laughs] 171 00:07:22,367 --> 00:07:23,667 -I had-- Didn't I tell you? -[Hunter] Oh, I was-- 172 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:26,300 -Didn't I tell you? 5 bucks? -[all laughing] 173 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:27,500 That shrimp looks amazing. 174 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:29,700 -[Christine] This was the problem. -Take the shrimp then. 175 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:31,066 Well, I know, I wanna take the shrimp. 176 00:07:31,066 --> 00:07:32,967 -That's the best part. -[Christine] I'm already red. 177 00:07:32,967 --> 00:07:36,166 -I'm already dirty, so might as well eat it now. -Oh, whoa. 178 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:39,000 Can I have a bite of it? Can I try that? 179 00:07:40,266 --> 00:07:42,200 Thank you. I'm just gonna come over and eat all your guys' food. 180 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,000 [David] No, this family likes to share food. 181 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,166 -Yeah. -I never share food in my life 182 00:07:46,166 --> 00:07:47,967 -till I met you guys. -[Hunter] Wait, really? 183 00:07:47,967 --> 00:07:49,900 David, I didn't take you for a stingy guy, 184 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:50,867 but I-- you know... 185 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:53,100 -[all laughing] -[Christine] Oh. 186 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,266 I love it. 187 00:07:56,266 --> 00:07:58,000 Like, how can you never share your food? 188 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,266 There's so many good flavors at the table. 189 00:08:00,266 --> 00:08:00,967 [David] Thank you. 190 00:08:00,967 --> 00:08:02,367 I got-- I gotta go over here. 191 00:08:02,367 --> 00:08:03,300 [laughs] 192 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:06,800 Look. Did you see the cake? 193 00:08:07,367 --> 00:08:09,867 [Christine and David laugh] 194 00:08:09,867 --> 00:08:12,400 Crucial thing that I've learned with David 195 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,066 is he really wants to be involved with everything. 196 00:08:16,066 --> 00:08:18,200 I could ask Kody after the fact. 197 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,900 But with David, no, he prefers to be in on the plan. 198 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:23,800 He just really cares and he's really invested, 199 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,700 and it's his wedding too. 200 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:27,600 Are you gonna-- Are gonna eat that piece? 201 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,867 -And David... -Yeah, I'm gonna eat David's face. 202 00:08:29,867 --> 00:08:31,567 [David] That's cool, I like that. 203 00:08:31,567 --> 00:08:32,333 I'm watching Christine 204 00:08:32,333 --> 00:08:33,667 and she's having her own adventure, 205 00:08:33,667 --> 00:08:35,367 the one she wanted, it's awesome. 206 00:08:35,367 --> 00:08:37,266 You have to-- You have to practice. 207 00:08:37,266 --> 00:08:39,467 -What? [squeals] -You have to practice cake cutting. 208 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:41,567 -Cutting into our faces? -[Aspyn] Yes. 209 00:08:41,567 --> 00:08:43,767 -Well, you can cut the cake. -[Christine] Yes. 210 00:08:43,767 --> 00:08:45,400 -[Aspyn] Okay, perfect. -[Christine laughs] 211 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,200 -They have to practice. -Yeah, before the wedding. 212 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,767 -Thank you, Aspyn. -[Aspyn] Why can't they do it? 213 00:08:48,767 --> 00:08:50,200 This is beautiful. 214 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:51,934 Okay. 215 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,066 Wow, she just cut our heads off. 216 00:08:55,066 --> 00:08:58,567 -[all laughing] -[David] Oh. Oh, oh. 217 00:08:58,567 --> 00:09:01,100 So much work went into this picture, 218 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:03,200 and I just cut into it. 219 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,700 -Oh, my. -No, I'll eat-- 220 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:06,000 You eat mine, I'll eat yours. 221 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,834 [Aspyn] Yeah. There you go. 222 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,266 [laughs] You eat her mouth? 223 00:09:10,266 --> 00:09:11,467 You're eating my mouth? 224 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:12,934 I'm also gonna eat your mouth. 225 00:09:15,166 --> 00:09:17,567 -[Mykelti] Nice. -[Aspyn] Nice, there you go. 226 00:09:17,567 --> 00:09:18,867 Look how big her mouth is. 227 00:09:18,867 --> 00:09:20,266 -[Aspyn] How is it? How is it? -[Christine] Mmm. 228 00:09:20,266 --> 00:09:21,900 -[all cheering] -It's good. 229 00:09:22,467 --> 00:09:23,700 [Christine] It's delicious. 230 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,000 -[Aspyn] Okay, good. Good. -Well done. 231 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,767 So, David and I have only known each other for, like, nine months. 232 00:09:28,767 --> 00:09:32,467 And so, there's so many things that we don't really know about each other 233 00:09:32,467 --> 00:09:34,100 and we're planning a wedding together. 234 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:35,667 If we're gonna-- It's like a crash course. 235 00:09:35,667 --> 00:09:39,033 It's a crash course and getting to know somebody, planning a wedding together. 236 00:09:41,266 --> 00:09:44,567 Nice to be on a date. 237 00:09:44,567 --> 00:09:47,166 So, I wanted to talk to you about something. 238 00:09:47,166 --> 00:09:51,367 No, I think that I probably did most of my crying 239 00:09:51,367 --> 00:09:56,266 -in the decade prior to divorce. -Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 240 00:09:56,266 --> 00:09:59,467 -It's like, false hope, false hope, false hope. -The cheating. 241 00:09:59,467 --> 00:10:01,500 -I'm just kidding, all the cheating. -[all laugh] 242 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:12,667 So, I am dragging, 243 00:10:12,667 --> 00:10:16,667 kicking and screaming Jenn down to Las Vegas, 244 00:10:16,667 --> 00:10:19,467 and we are gonna go see our good friend Brandi. 245 00:10:19,467 --> 00:10:21,967 -So, ready? Are you excited? -I'm so excited. 246 00:10:21,967 --> 00:10:23,967 [Meri] Listen, you're gonna be excited, homie. 247 00:10:23,967 --> 00:10:27,400 -You're gonna be happy you're gonna smile about this. -So excited. Yes. 248 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,667 [Meri] Yay! 249 00:10:28,667 --> 00:10:33,467 -I'm so excited to go to... -[Meri] So excited to go to hell. 250 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:34,433 Jenn doesn't like Vegas, 251 00:10:34,433 --> 00:10:36,967 because there's a lot of people and it's hot. 252 00:10:36,967 --> 00:10:38,066 And I think it's hilarious 253 00:10:38,066 --> 00:10:42,767 because she lived there for so many years of her life. 254 00:10:42,767 --> 00:10:47,500 Jenn and I met while she and I were both living in Las Vegas. 255 00:10:48,066 --> 00:10:49,433 [Jenn] Well, look what I bought. 256 00:10:53,166 --> 00:10:55,300 [Meri laughs] 257 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:59,166 Jenn does not like the heat. 258 00:10:59,166 --> 00:11:02,266 You know those eye masks that you freeze 259 00:11:02,266 --> 00:11:04,567 and just use 'em as chichi chillers? 260 00:11:04,567 --> 00:11:08,133 We should go break into your old neighborhood. 261 00:11:08,867 --> 00:11:10,367 Oh, it's completely breaking in. 262 00:11:10,367 --> 00:11:12,000 That's a gated community. 263 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,967 -Well, we wouldn't be the first person... -I don't wanna see it. 264 00:11:13,967 --> 00:11:15,367 -...who's ever broken into that community. -Wait a second. 265 00:11:15,367 --> 00:11:17,166 Maybe it would be good for me to see it. 266 00:11:17,166 --> 00:11:19,000 Like, it's closure. 267 00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:31,767 -[Meri] Hello. -[Brandi laughing] Oh. 268 00:11:31,767 --> 00:11:32,567 [all laughing] 269 00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:35,000 -[Meri] Hi. -Hi. 270 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,266 [Meri] Oh. 271 00:11:36,266 --> 00:11:37,600 So good to see you. 272 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,100 -You're hot. -[Meri] Look at you, so are you. 273 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,600 -[Brandi] No, but you're warm. -[Jenn] Hi. 274 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,166 We're all hot. 275 00:11:43,166 --> 00:11:46,266 -Are you gonna sit with us? -We went to a grocery store on the way over here. 276 00:11:46,266 --> 00:11:49,200 -Sit right there. -And I was telling Meri 277 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,367 that we should go by her old house. 278 00:11:52,367 --> 00:11:54,300 -[Brandi] Ooh. -[Meri] Like, full circle. 279 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:57,367 The last time I was in Las Vegas, it was really painful. 280 00:11:57,367 --> 00:12:01,867 But I'm thinking hanging out with Brandi and the three of us, 281 00:12:01,867 --> 00:12:04,000 I think will be really good 282 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,000 to create some new memories about Las Vegas, 283 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,367 and I think that's what I really need to do, 284 00:12:09,367 --> 00:12:11,600 'cause I do love Las Vegas. 285 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,433 [Jenn] She really freaked out. 286 00:12:12,433 --> 00:12:14,100 There was one day... [clears throat] 287 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,467 that I referred to Kody as her ex, 288 00:12:17,467 --> 00:12:20,000 and she-- and then she, like, wasn't paying attention. 289 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,767 She said something about her ex, 290 00:12:21,767 --> 00:12:23,100 and she was like, "Whoa." 291 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:23,934 That's when it hit you? 292 00:12:23,934 --> 00:12:26,066 -Yeah, I was like, "Oh. -Did you cry? 293 00:12:26,066 --> 00:12:28,767 -It's an ex." No, I didn't. -[Jenn] No. 294 00:12:28,767 --> 00:12:32,066 When I referred to him as my ex, it was really weird. 295 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:34,467 It kinda hit me kind of hard. 296 00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:37,266 No, I think that I probably did 297 00:12:37,266 --> 00:12:40,000 most of my crying in the decade 298 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,567 -prior to the actual divorce. -Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 299 00:12:43,567 --> 00:12:45,900 There was definitely a lot of tears during those years. 300 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:48,667 -It's like false hope, false hope, false hope. -The cheating. 301 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:51,967 -I'm just kidding, all the cheating. -[all laughing] 302 00:12:51,967 --> 00:12:53,000 She was aware. 303 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,033 No, like the fault like... 304 00:12:54,033 --> 00:12:56,300 'Cause there was, like, times where he'd tell her, 305 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:57,667 -"If you do these things... -[Brandi] Yeah. 306 00:12:57,667 --> 00:12:58,900 ...then we can work on our relationship." 307 00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:04,967 Yeah, no, I, I remember many, many misleading conversations. 308 00:13:04,967 --> 00:13:09,367 Kody basically had a list for me to do 309 00:13:09,367 --> 00:13:14,133 before we would start working on our relationship. 310 00:13:25,667 --> 00:13:27,600 So, I'm excited to be here. Holy cow. 311 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,100 -I know it's nice, right? Being here. -[Kody] Yes. 312 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,800 Nice to be on a date. 313 00:13:33,367 --> 00:13:34,467 [Robyn laughs] 314 00:13:34,467 --> 00:13:39,767 All of our experience with family who has moved on, 315 00:13:39,767 --> 00:13:41,567 that brings a lot of pain into our lives, 316 00:13:41,567 --> 00:13:45,200 and we're just, just removing that from plate right now 317 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,900 and connecting with each other. 318 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:49,367 So, I wanted to talk to you about something 319 00:13:49,367 --> 00:13:52,367 when we don't have two little children running and interrupting us. 320 00:13:52,367 --> 00:13:55,967 Recently, the girls have been sort of expressing-- 321 00:13:55,967 --> 00:13:58,166 Aurora and Breanna have been expressing 322 00:13:58,166 --> 00:14:00,600 an interest in going to church. 323 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,667 And, like, we don't have a church to go to. 324 00:14:04,667 --> 00:14:09,667 The girls are really just wanting to be able to attend church, 325 00:14:09,667 --> 00:14:11,100 uh, kind of get a, 326 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,467 a church community that they can interact with 327 00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:16,967 and then just be able to learn more 328 00:14:16,967 --> 00:14:20,000 and find their, uh, their path, 329 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,667 their religious or spiritual path. 330 00:14:22,667 --> 00:14:24,300 But it's more than just going to church. 331 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:26,200 They're, they're sort of in this place 332 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,867 where they want to look for a church to be a part of. 333 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:37,100 -Mmm-hmm. -They have asked me to kind of help them, 334 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:39,967 or facilitate or sort of be a part of the situation... 335 00:14:39,967 --> 00:14:43,467 -[Kody] Mmm-hmm. -...and, like, go with them to different churches. 336 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:45,467 Me and you both or just you? 337 00:14:45,467 --> 00:14:47,367 I think Robyn's the most comfortable person with-- 338 00:14:47,367 --> 00:14:49,467 for any of my children to speak with. 339 00:14:49,467 --> 00:14:51,900 Like, listen, I talk about religion with my children all the time. 340 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:53,367 We've talked about it a little bit. 341 00:14:53,367 --> 00:14:54,767 But Robyn specifically, 342 00:14:54,767 --> 00:14:59,266 they're coming to her saying, "We wanna do this, what do you think?" 343 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:00,166 [Robyn] I asked them both, 344 00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:03,567 "Are you interested in our church?" 345 00:15:03,567 --> 00:15:07,367 And they kind of said, Aurora said, "No." 346 00:15:07,367 --> 00:15:10,767 -And Breanna said, "Probably not." -[Kody] Mmm-hmm. 347 00:15:10,767 --> 00:15:16,066 Our church was literally kind of an ex-communication of people 348 00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:18,467 who used to be members of the LDS Church 349 00:15:18,467 --> 00:15:20,266 or who had affiliation with that. 350 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:24,867 However, they, they, they had this doctrine of plural marriage 351 00:15:24,867 --> 00:15:27,567 where it is required by commandment 352 00:15:27,567 --> 00:15:31,467 for any of those who want to progress through eternity. 353 00:15:31,467 --> 00:15:32,500 I wouldn't really have a problem 354 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:34,166 with any of my kids going into plural marriage, 355 00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:37,166 even though I would be warning them of some red flags. 356 00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:39,200 Going back to our old religion, um, 357 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,767 I don't think I'd be very fond of them doing that. 358 00:15:41,767 --> 00:15:46,767 [Robyn] Also they are finding that it's hard to, 359 00:15:46,767 --> 00:15:51,567 like, find guys to date that have sort of similar values as them. 360 00:15:51,567 --> 00:15:56,300 I have some, some, uh, questions. 361 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:57,600 I got mixed reactions to this. 362 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,700 My first reaction that I know is the right reaction is great. 363 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:02,200 I'm glad they're gonna do this. 364 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,333 But I have my own almost phobias 365 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,700 of religion or churches. 366 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:13,166 So, you have some, like, apprehension, then? 367 00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:14,600 -Yeah. Okay, here's the thing. -[Robyn] So, what is-- 368 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,166 So, you're worried about what exactly? 369 00:16:17,166 --> 00:16:21,700 I, uh, I'm just-- I don't know. I got some concerns. 370 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:25,000 I'm really glad that they wanna go on this journey that they're going to go on. 371 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,767 And I have all my own anxieties and fears and struggles here 372 00:16:28,767 --> 00:16:33,000 that I have to keep from poisoning in any way their experience. 373 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,867 As long as I can steer 'em clear of, uh, 374 00:16:35,867 --> 00:16:38,900 of any culty-like churches, I'll be okay. 375 00:16:42,066 --> 00:16:44,400 After, like, it was done, 376 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,867 like, it was done, done, done, 377 00:16:46,867 --> 00:16:50,800 and I said, "Kody, you have no interest 378 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,200 in, like, having a relationship with me." 379 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,567 It's like, "No, you said you didn't wanna be married to me. 380 00:16:55,567 --> 00:16:56,767 So, why do-- 381 00:16:56,767 --> 00:16:59,834 Why should I stick around for another 10 years, dumbass?" 382 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,533 -Did I tell you? -[Brandi] What? 383 00:17:12,266 --> 00:17:14,667 After, like, it was done... 384 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:18,667 Not long after I had been up in Utah 385 00:17:18,667 --> 00:17:23,467 and actually had that spiritual release from the church leaders. 386 00:17:23,467 --> 00:17:26,166 ...like within the week, he goes, 387 00:17:26,166 --> 00:17:27,800 "Why'd you do it so fast?" 388 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,667 -[chuckles softly] -[Meri laughs] 389 00:17:29,667 --> 00:17:31,000 -He said that? -[Meri] Yeah. 390 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,567 He's like, "I don't understand why you did it so fast. 391 00:17:32,567 --> 00:17:34,667 Do you have a guy on the side waiting?" 392 00:17:34,667 --> 00:17:37,266 What was the context? Like, I mean, how... 393 00:17:37,266 --> 00:17:38,867 -He didn't understand why I-- -[Brandi] That doesn't-- 394 00:17:38,867 --> 00:17:41,000 That question does not even make sense. 395 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,166 I said, "Really? You think that that was really fast? 396 00:17:44,166 --> 00:17:46,266 And no, how insulting." 397 00:17:46,266 --> 00:17:51,567 I said, "Kody, you have no interest in 398 00:17:51,567 --> 00:17:54,066 me-- like, having a relationship with me, 399 00:17:54,066 --> 00:17:56,166 -having a husband-wife relationship with me." -Yeah. 400 00:17:56,166 --> 00:17:57,400 What else are we supposed to do? 401 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,667 -This is the only other option. -[Brandi] Yeah. 402 00:17:59,667 --> 00:18:02,700 It's like, "No, you said you didn't wanna be married to me. So, why do-- 403 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:06,667 Why should I stick around for another 10 years, dumbass?" 404 00:18:06,667 --> 00:18:07,967 I texted him after. 405 00:18:07,967 --> 00:18:09,700 -Like, when I was on my way home from Utah. -[Brandi] Mmm-hmm? 406 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:10,934 -I texted him. -[Brandi] Mmm-hmm? 407 00:18:11,567 --> 00:18:15,000 And he called me within 20 minutes. 408 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,767 -Oh, my gosh. -[Meri] It was a good text. 409 00:18:16,767 --> 00:18:18,667 -I read it to you. -Yeah. 410 00:18:18,667 --> 00:18:19,500 -It was a good text. -It was. 411 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:21,667 -It was like... -Do you wanna hear it? 412 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:23,100 -Yeah, I do. -Okay. 413 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:26,767 I don't know why I go out of my way to be nice 414 00:18:26,767 --> 00:18:31,400 when he's so flippantly and comfortably talk [bleep] about me. 415 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,567 I said this on my way back. 416 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:35,100 "Hi, Kody, just wanted to follow up 417 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:37,600 from the text I sent a couple weeks ago. 418 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,700 Just wanted to let you know that I had a conversation 419 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:41,800 with the leadership in Utah today, 420 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,900 and the official release was granted." 421 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:47,900 When Kody and I got married, 422 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:49,300 it was like one ceremony 423 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:54,266 that covered the legal and the spiritual marriage. 424 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:57,266 And so, now doing the legal divorce, 425 00:18:57,266 --> 00:19:00,867 it, like, it was really a mind game on me 426 00:19:00,867 --> 00:19:03,467 because I felt like emotionally, 427 00:19:03,467 --> 00:19:06,667 that I was signing away the marriage. 428 00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:07,667 I know you want a big hug. 429 00:19:07,667 --> 00:19:09,367 [Meri] No, I'm sorry. 430 00:19:09,367 --> 00:19:10,967 I'm just holding on to you. 431 00:19:10,967 --> 00:19:13,934 "Co-petitioners are incompatible in marriage." 432 00:19:15,567 --> 00:19:18,700 That's why it was so crazy for me, 433 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:19,900 because it was like... 434 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:22,000 But I know it's only the legal part. 435 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,567 The spiritual part is still intact. 436 00:19:24,567 --> 00:19:26,667 "I'm brokenhearted that our life came to this. 437 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,166 I will always love and respect you. 438 00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:30,000 Thank you for many years of joy. 439 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,667 I hope you truly will have peace now, 440 00:19:32,667 --> 00:19:35,767 and I release you from any responsibility or worry about me. 441 00:19:35,767 --> 00:19:37,300 I got this." 442 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:38,867 You're like, "Thank you for your service. 443 00:19:38,867 --> 00:19:42,233 -We're do--" -[all laughing] 444 00:19:43,567 --> 00:19:45,700 [Brandi] I'm so sorry. Whoops. 445 00:19:46,667 --> 00:19:51,000 -And... And a lot of service. -[all laughing] 446 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,166 It is what it is with Brandi and she's just gonna say. 447 00:19:54,166 --> 00:19:57,300 I love that about her, I do. [laughs] 448 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,066 Religion comes with a lot of pressure, 449 00:20:06,066 --> 00:20:08,266 and I've been spending a lot of time losing my religion, 450 00:20:08,266 --> 00:20:10,100 while I've been finding my faith. 451 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:11,567 When I met Kody, 452 00:20:11,567 --> 00:20:14,300 he was very much involved in our church, 453 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:16,767 and from my understanding, he was happy in our church. 454 00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:20,266 Um, I mean, I wouldn't have probably considered marrying him 455 00:20:20,266 --> 00:20:22,200 if I didn't think he was. 456 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,266 Us going public, I think, really... 457 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:27,400 uh, the way that our church reacted to that 458 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,066 really kind of threw him off, 459 00:20:29,066 --> 00:20:31,567 and it made him feel just like, "Wait, what the heck?" 460 00:20:31,567 --> 00:20:36,166 Our church leaders were mad when we went public. 461 00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:38,567 They didn't get it. Family didn't get it. Friends didn't get it. 462 00:20:38,567 --> 00:20:39,700 No one got it. And we're like, 463 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:42,667 "We're done living in fear. We're done living like... 464 00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:44,266 having other people think the worst of us 465 00:20:44,266 --> 00:20:45,667 just because we're a polygamist family. 466 00:20:45,667 --> 00:20:47,767 They think all these things about us that aren't true." 467 00:20:47,767 --> 00:20:50,133 We thought everybody would be on board. 468 00:20:51,867 --> 00:20:53,433 Yeah, they weren't. [chuckles] 469 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:55,967 Some of them were like, 470 00:20:55,967 --> 00:20:58,867 "Gonna be the demise of your family," [chuckles] 471 00:20:58,867 --> 00:21:01,300 which is kind of funny. Like... 472 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:03,166 It's not funny at all, actually. 473 00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:06,500 I found that my faith started to contradict 474 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:09,300 the religionists attitudes, sort of, the... 475 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:11,300 the... the gatekeepers. 476 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,166 My church was trying to put me in, uh, 477 00:21:13,166 --> 00:21:15,567 kind of a teaching leadership position. 478 00:21:15,567 --> 00:21:17,567 They saw my hair as rebellious. 479 00:21:17,567 --> 00:21:19,567 "So, Kody, you need to cut your hair." 480 00:21:19,567 --> 00:21:22,967 Don't tell me to do things that aren't required by the law or by God. 481 00:21:22,967 --> 00:21:24,400 I don't wanna 'em getting into something 482 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,567 that turns out to be kind of culty. 483 00:21:26,567 --> 00:21:29,867 So you can lose your children to a bad marriage. 484 00:21:29,867 --> 00:21:31,367 You can lose your children 485 00:21:31,367 --> 00:21:33,900 to just huge disagreements between the two of you. 486 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,567 You can lose your children in a divorce. 487 00:21:36,567 --> 00:21:39,467 Or you can lose your children to a cult. [chuckles softly] 488 00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:42,000 -I'm safe for them, right? -[Robyn] Absolutely. 489 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,567 Okay, the reason I'm asking that 490 00:21:43,567 --> 00:21:45,567 is 'cause we're not having those discussions. 491 00:21:45,567 --> 00:21:47,300 I don't know for sure, 492 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:50,300 But I think, um, 493 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:52,700 religion is a really intense... 494 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,000 -topic for you. -[Kody laughing] 495 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,300 You get a little intense. 496 00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:57,634 Okay! 497 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,467 He's intimidating. 498 00:21:59,467 --> 00:22:02,166 I don't think he realizes it, though. 499 00:22:02,166 --> 00:22:04,000 [chuckling] I don't know. 500 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,667 I did talk to my dad about religion beforehand. 501 00:22:06,667 --> 00:22:09,400 Just asking questions generally and stuff like that. 502 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,567 Between my mom and my dad, 503 00:22:10,567 --> 00:22:11,800 they have different strengths 504 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,266 and the way that they process things and communicate things. 505 00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:16,166 He's gonna give, like, an unfiltered response, 506 00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:18,000 which I really appreciate about him. 507 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,500 I could be wrong... 508 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,166 that... if I had to guess... 509 00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:22,433 So they brought it up with you 510 00:22:22,433 --> 00:22:24,600 -so that I wouldn't go, going off on... -[Robyn] I don't know. 511 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,500 Teeing off on some lecture about. 512 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:27,533 I don't know. 513 00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:31,467 You cannot just be conforming to everybody else 514 00:22:31,467 --> 00:22:34,066 'cause then you're really not developing real faith. 515 00:22:34,066 --> 00:22:35,667 Find some Buddhism, find some... 516 00:22:35,667 --> 00:22:37,200 find some Jesus. Either way, 517 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,100 I want them to have experience... 518 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:43,266 that helps love grow in them. 519 00:22:43,266 --> 00:22:46,300 -They need to go experience this for themselves. -[Kody] Right. 520 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,767 The idea of trying to, like, encourage them 521 00:22:48,767 --> 00:22:51,000 or pressure them into to our church, 522 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,200 I just didn't see that as something that was important or... 523 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,367 When I saw parents doing that with their kids, 524 00:22:56,367 --> 00:22:57,967 I was like, "Okay, this is messed up." 525 00:22:57,967 --> 00:22:59,767 They need to find their own way. 526 00:22:59,767 --> 00:23:03,066 And you would be the type to go... 527 00:23:03,066 --> 00:23:05,000 -like-- -[Kody] I already know. 528 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,700 When I'm holding my scriptures on my lap, 529 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:09,266 and that preacher is gonna be saying something, I'm gonna be in... 530 00:23:09,266 --> 00:23:11,000 -I'm going to be looking... -[Robyn] And you're at-- 531 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,166 ...for whether he's right or if he's wrong... 532 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:13,800 -in the scriptures. -[Robyn] And everybody in the room 533 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,166 is going to know whether or not you agree. 534 00:23:16,166 --> 00:23:19,600 When I was conflicted in my religion, I loved it 535 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,100 'cause it drove me to my knees in prayer for understanding. 536 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:24,900 And I don't know where that got me. 537 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:26,500 But you know what it did get me, 538 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,400 is a relationship in my prayers with God. 539 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,967 So if my children come to me confused, 540 00:23:31,967 --> 00:23:34,500 about religion or the things that are being taught, 541 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:37,500 I believe, from my experience, 542 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,600 I will be happy that they're having 543 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,867 any kind of challenging experience 544 00:23:41,867 --> 00:23:43,233 'cause... 545 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:46,166 they'll learn to talk to God, 546 00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:49,667 I think, I hope. That's my prayer. 547 00:23:49,667 --> 00:23:52,667 Something I need to do is figure out how to, 548 00:23:52,667 --> 00:23:55,400 sort of, ride in the back seat on this experience, 549 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,266 -and let them find their way, I think. -[Robyn] Yeah. 550 00:23:57,266 --> 00:23:59,166 One of the things I did tease 'em about, 551 00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:03,467 and I said, "I don't want you to choose 552 00:24:03,467 --> 00:24:05,467 a church or a community 553 00:24:05,467 --> 00:24:07,667 based on good-looking guys." 554 00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:10,066 But it was just kind of like, "I want you to... 555 00:24:10,066 --> 00:24:12,200 like, really take it seriously based on..." 556 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,767 Well, I'd be perfectly fine with one of my daughters 557 00:24:14,767 --> 00:24:18,567 going to church at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 558 00:24:18,567 --> 00:24:19,700 for a cute boy. 559 00:24:20,567 --> 00:24:22,100 I wouldn't. 560 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:23,867 I don't want our children to do it 561 00:24:23,867 --> 00:24:26,667 just based on a cute kid, 562 00:24:26,667 --> 00:24:27,700 a cute boy there. 563 00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:30,300 If you get a boy that's very devout to his church, 564 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,500 and she's just there for him, 565 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,066 that's for the wrong reasons. 566 00:24:34,066 --> 00:24:36,000 They might find a community 567 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000 that gives them a social outlet... 568 00:24:39,266 --> 00:24:41,900 people to actually associate with, even date. 569 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:43,900 All I am is a knight... 570 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,467 with a sword. 571 00:24:45,467 --> 00:24:47,567 I mean, like, I'm here to protect you, 572 00:24:47,567 --> 00:24:49,400 but because I played king 573 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,266 with some of my other daughters, 574 00:24:51,266 --> 00:24:54,066 I got... put aside. 575 00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:56,500 My close-mindedness caused me a lot of... 576 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:58,800 uh, heartache. 577 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,166 I mean, I did love him. 578 00:25:03,166 --> 00:25:04,200 I do love him. 579 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,233 I just... I just can't... 580 00:25:07,467 --> 00:25:11,066 I'm not, you know, I just wasn't willing to do that anymore. 581 00:25:11,066 --> 00:25:13,567 The reason why I stayed so long was 582 00:25:13,567 --> 00:25:16,233 purely because of me and my commitment. 583 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,500 There's a lot of men interested in Robyn, 584 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,700 and they were, sort of, trying to get around me 585 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:22,767 and to her. 586 00:25:22,767 --> 00:25:25,900 I want to know that God has been my wingman with you 587 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,800 and that nobody can take you away. 588 00:25:38,467 --> 00:25:41,000 Oh, what did he say when he called you? 589 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,200 He was kind of upset 590 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,567 um, during that phone call. 591 00:25:45,567 --> 00:25:48,467 Like, he started getting really defensive, like, a few times. 592 00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:50,667 -And I said, "Kody, I'm not gonna do this." -[Brandi] Uh-huh. 593 00:25:50,667 --> 00:25:52,266 Like, "We're where we are. 594 00:25:52,266 --> 00:25:53,667 -It's done." -[Brandi] Mmm-hmm. 595 00:25:53,667 --> 00:25:55,700 "There's no reason to get defensive." 596 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,200 I think that Kody was expecting me... 597 00:25:58,867 --> 00:26:01,900 to be different than what I was. 598 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:05,567 He probably expected me to be snarky, 599 00:26:05,567 --> 00:26:09,100 and mean or crying or whatever. 600 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:10,767 I've seen the last couple of years. 601 00:26:10,767 --> 00:26:12,800 I've seen him, 602 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,600 and a couple of exes 603 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,467 not necessarily being on their best behavior. 604 00:26:18,467 --> 00:26:21,266 All three of them, I have watched them. 605 00:26:21,266 --> 00:26:22,600 And... 606 00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:25,000 I haven't been impressed. 607 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,667 We can all do a little bit better. 608 00:26:26,667 --> 00:26:27,967 I mean, you know, 609 00:26:27,967 --> 00:26:29,467 it'd be nice if we didn't all know 610 00:26:29,467 --> 00:26:31,166 what we thought about the other person. 611 00:26:31,166 --> 00:26:33,400 When you've got three wives 612 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,266 that leave one guy, 613 00:26:35,266 --> 00:26:37,266 it is gonna be a mess. 614 00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:38,900 You know, during the split with Kody, 615 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:40,667 I tried to always be 616 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:42,266 very practical, very logical, 617 00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:43,867 but definitely stand up for myself. 618 00:26:43,867 --> 00:26:45,367 And I'm sorry if some people thought that 619 00:26:45,367 --> 00:26:47,166 that was rude or wrong, 620 00:26:47,166 --> 00:26:48,400 but I'm just standing up for myself. 621 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,367 I'm not trying to be vindictive. 622 00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:53,000 I'm just standing up for myself and for my kids. 623 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 I don't know why he cares. He doesn't even... 624 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,867 -[Meri] I don't either. -...participate in that... 625 00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:58,967 -anyway. -[Jenn] It was... it was a control thing, I think. 626 00:26:58,967 --> 00:27:01,066 -Yeah. You're right. -Like, he had no control... 627 00:27:01,066 --> 00:27:02,767 -Yeah. -...over her finally ending it. 628 00:27:02,767 --> 00:27:04,667 I really feel like that was a big part of it. 629 00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:06,166 [Brandi] You're totally right. I'm sure. 630 00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:08,266 There was a couple of times in that conversation 631 00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:09,467 that I shut him down. 632 00:27:09,467 --> 00:27:11,767 I'm like, "I'm not gonna listen to you talk to me that way. 633 00:27:11,767 --> 00:27:14,000 I'm not talking to you that way. 634 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,767 And I don't deserve it back from you." 635 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:19,600 You were, like Stockholm syndrome. 636 00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:21,767 -Mmm. -[Brandi] You know? 637 00:27:21,767 --> 00:27:23,600 -Yeah. -You were, like, stuck with your... 638 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,000 falling in love with your captor 639 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,266 that won't let you... 640 00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:29,467 -[all chuckling] -...have a life. 641 00:27:29,467 --> 00:27:31,667 Brandi doesn't even know who I am. 642 00:27:31,667 --> 00:27:33,200 I went to dinner with her a couple times, 643 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,000 helped her and her husband move once. 644 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,567 Do they know me? 645 00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:39,100 Meri doesn't need to trash-talk me anymore. 646 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:41,467 She's got her friends doing it for her. 647 00:27:41,467 --> 00:27:43,100 Friends that don't know me. 648 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,500 Brandi and her husband, Tim, 649 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,867 and Kody and I used to go out 650 00:27:47,867 --> 00:27:50,200 on double dates together quite often. 651 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,100 Jenn's been around since we lived in the rentals. 652 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,000 That's when we met her. 653 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,567 So the narrative that they don't know him 654 00:27:57,567 --> 00:27:59,667 or he doesn't know them or, 655 00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:02,467 you know, like, is really inaccurate. 656 00:28:02,467 --> 00:28:04,900 I mean, I did love him. 657 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:05,867 I do love him. 658 00:28:05,867 --> 00:28:08,033 -[Brandi] Of course. -I just... I just can't. 659 00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:10,367 I'm not... 660 00:28:10,367 --> 00:28:12,800 You know, I just wasn't willing to do that anymore. 661 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,266 It definitely wasn't Stockholm syndrome. 662 00:28:15,266 --> 00:28:17,567 I mean, it's kind of funny to laugh about it. 663 00:28:17,567 --> 00:28:20,200 Like, I committed that... 664 00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:22,166 you know, we were gonna work it out, 665 00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:23,700 like, good times, bad times, whatever. 666 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:24,700 We were gonna make it work. 667 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:26,300 The reason why I stayed so long 668 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:28,367 was purely because of me 669 00:28:28,367 --> 00:28:29,900 and my commitment. 670 00:28:36,767 --> 00:28:39,667 So, do we need to do any cleanup on our relationship, 671 00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:42,266 -or are we just talking religion for our girls? -[Robyn] Well... 672 00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:44,467 Well, I wanted to make sure that, like... 673 00:28:44,467 --> 00:28:47,767 that you're cool with... 674 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:50,467 Like, I want to go to church. 675 00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:53,000 -[Kody] Yeah. -I just need it. I mean... 676 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,266 We don't have our church nearby, 677 00:28:55,266 --> 00:28:57,667 but I don't think 678 00:28:57,667 --> 00:29:00,600 that that's even something you would ever... [chuckles softly] 679 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,900 -Okay, so... -For me, that's not a safe place. 680 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:07,300 Most religion says you've got to stick to this doctrine, 681 00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:10,400 and if you don't, then you're an apostate, 682 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,000 you're evil, you're... God can't accept you. 683 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,467 Tell me that I have to cut my hair. 684 00:29:14,467 --> 00:29:16,567 I mean, give me a break. 685 00:29:16,567 --> 00:29:18,600 I mean, you're all disciples of Brigham Young, 686 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400 and he had long hair and a long beard. 687 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Please! 688 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,767 I know that Kody has, uh... 689 00:29:24,767 --> 00:29:28,100 not very positive, um, 690 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,000 attitudes and opinions about our church. 691 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,500 So I was just kind of like, "Yeah, I know you don't..." 692 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,000 [chuckles] "I know. I know!" 693 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,967 [chuckling] I've heard a lot. 694 00:29:38,967 --> 00:29:41,900 Are you okay with them going to church, then? 695 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:43,166 Yeah. Absolutely. 696 00:29:43,166 --> 00:29:44,767 [Robyn] And you're okay with me going to church? 697 00:29:44,767 --> 00:29:46,567 Like, you're not gonna have some sort of problem with them? 698 00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:48,066 -Yeah, as long as you guys aren't... -[Robyn] I made a choice-- 699 00:29:48,066 --> 00:29:49,867 ...blocking me out. Like, I wanna come, 700 00:29:49,867 --> 00:29:50,900 sooner or later. 701 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:51,834 Mmm... okay. 702 00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:53,667 -That's why I wasn't sure... -[Kody] Yeah. 703 00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:56,567 ...if you were interested in that or not. 704 00:29:56,567 --> 00:29:58,000 Well, you don't wanna go too long without me 705 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,066 'cause I don't want some guy thinking you're a single mom. 706 00:30:01,066 --> 00:30:02,567 There's a lot of men interested in Robyn, 707 00:30:02,567 --> 00:30:04,467 and they were, sort of, trying 708 00:30:04,467 --> 00:30:06,867 to get around me and to her. 709 00:30:06,867 --> 00:30:09,467 -Yeah, 'cause the first time I saw you in our church... -Yeah. 710 00:30:09,467 --> 00:30:10,967 Okay. Yeah. 711 00:30:10,967 --> 00:30:12,467 -...we made that gaze... -[chuckles] 712 00:30:12,467 --> 00:30:13,900 -[Kody] ...that connection. -No. 713 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,567 I made that... [chuckles] 714 00:30:15,567 --> 00:30:16,500 [Kody] Oh, no, no, no, no. 715 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:18,467 I looked longer. By the time you looked away, 716 00:30:18,467 --> 00:30:20,800 I actually said, "That was probably inappropriate. 717 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,700 She is most likely married." 718 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:24,000 First time I saw Robyn, 719 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,433 the first time I ever laid eyes on her, 720 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,000 uh, I was... 721 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,967 leaning over the back of a chair, 722 00:30:30,967 --> 00:30:33,900 talking to a... a neighbor behind me, 723 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,767 and we locked eyes. 724 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:37,300 And I... 725 00:30:39,066 --> 00:30:40,533 couldn't break away. 726 00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:43,100 And what happened to you, 727 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:44,867 uh, at that time? I just want to know. 728 00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:46,467 [chuckling] You want to hear it. 729 00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:47,533 You like hearing this, don't you? 730 00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:50,667 I want to know that God has been my wingman with you 731 00:30:50,667 --> 00:30:52,467 and that nobody can take you away. 732 00:30:52,467 --> 00:30:54,000 I was sitting there with my cousin. 733 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,767 I was looking around. 734 00:30:55,767 --> 00:30:56,967 I looked at you for a while, 735 00:30:56,967 --> 00:30:59,500 and the thing that caught my eye, as far as seeing you, 736 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,467 was your laugh lines 'cause I love laugh lines. 737 00:31:02,467 --> 00:31:05,367 And then, um, you looked at me 738 00:31:05,367 --> 00:31:07,800 and a bolt of lightning shot through my body. 739 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,000 -[chuckling] -[mouthing] 740 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,100 I saw Kody for the first time at church, 741 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:16,100 and then I got my lightning bolt. 742 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,900 And a month later, randomly, 743 00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,567 I met Kody and Meri on my cousin's lawn. 744 00:31:22,567 --> 00:31:23,600 I don't want some guy doing that, 745 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,800 looking at you and going... 746 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,834 holding your gaze, 747 00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:29,100 Like, yeah, I'm mate guarding now. 748 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:30,266 I am protecting... 749 00:31:30,266 --> 00:31:32,066 -...the pride. -I just have to say, 750 00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:33,266 I'm married. 751 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:34,300 Let me see that rock. 752 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,000 -[Robyn chuckling] -I wanna see it. 753 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,266 I wanna see it. 754 00:31:37,266 --> 00:31:40,367 [Robyn] I'll wear it. You don't need to worry. 755 00:31:40,367 --> 00:31:42,300 I just wanted to make sure that bling was big enough. 756 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,367 -The guys would stay away from you. -[Robyn chuckling] 757 00:31:44,367 --> 00:31:46,100 [chuckling] Oh, my gosh. 758 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,066 Even though I've got some anxieties about it, 759 00:31:48,066 --> 00:31:50,266 I feel like I'm pretty open-minded. 760 00:31:50,266 --> 00:31:51,600 We don't know what's gonna happen. 761 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,500 It's part of the adventure of life. 762 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,333 I trust God enough to... 763 00:31:55,867 --> 00:31:57,133 sort of... 764 00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:59,600 lead us where we should go. 765 00:32:02,767 --> 00:32:05,100 Okay, I can't. I just... You're gonna have to just tell her 766 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:07,300 -because I'm gonna throw my damn cup through the wall. -[chuckles] 767 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,367 Like... I get so frustrated... 768 00:32:09,367 --> 00:32:11,200 -with like... -About, like, our breakup conversation? 769 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,767 [Jenn] About... 770 00:32:13,767 --> 00:32:16,700 -about what he said in front of Nathan and Rebecca. -Flagstaff property? 771 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,867 I don't know. I used to, um, defend him... 772 00:32:28,867 --> 00:32:30,266 -when people would say... -[Meri] Mmm. 773 00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:32,166 ..."Oh, he's such a..." 774 00:32:32,166 --> 00:32:34,166 I'm like, "No, he's nice." 775 00:32:34,166 --> 00:32:35,400 [Meri] "He's cool." 776 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,133 He helped... 777 00:32:37,567 --> 00:32:38,934 move me up here. 778 00:32:38,934 --> 00:32:42,300 -It was on what would have been our 33rd anniversary. -That's right. 779 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:43,867 Like, it was cool. It was fun. 780 00:32:43,867 --> 00:32:45,600 I mean, it was a good day. 781 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,667 It was so emotional. 782 00:32:46,667 --> 00:32:49,767 He was, like, full-on breakdown. 783 00:32:49,767 --> 00:32:53,567 Like, it was very... and it felt very strong. 784 00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:55,333 We have permission to move on. 785 00:33:04,367 --> 00:33:06,000 [sniffles] 786 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,100 At the time, I was like, "How is this possible?" 787 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,500 Because of all the hard things that he said. 788 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:12,767 [Meri] That's how I feel about it. I still feel about it. 789 00:33:12,767 --> 00:33:15,400 I still question like... he walked out the door, 790 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,266 and I looked at her and I'm like, 791 00:33:17,266 --> 00:33:19,467 "Did I do the wrong thing here?" 792 00:33:19,467 --> 00:33:21,767 You were so much more forgiving and patient 793 00:33:21,767 --> 00:33:23,467 than I think most people could see. 794 00:33:23,467 --> 00:33:25,900 -And I kept telling myself, and telling her... -[Brandi] Mmm-hmm. 795 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:27,000 ...I would say, "As a monogamist, 796 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000 I feel like you should tell him to get the hell out, 797 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,266 and of your life completely. 798 00:33:31,266 --> 00:33:33,100 But I understand that that's not where you're at. 799 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:34,767 I've always thought this, 800 00:33:34,767 --> 00:33:37,800 and you always... 801 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,166 said, "No, that's not true. He's not..." 802 00:33:40,166 --> 00:33:43,867 I always saw him favor her, Robyn. 803 00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:47,467 I don't believe that Robyn entered the family 804 00:33:47,467 --> 00:33:50,166 with the intention of kicking 805 00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:52,100 me and Janelle and Christine out. 806 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,266 I think that she... 807 00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:57,166 saw what we had at that time 808 00:33:57,166 --> 00:33:58,467 and wanted that. 809 00:33:58,467 --> 00:33:59,867 I really believe that. 810 00:33:59,867 --> 00:34:01,634 I don't understand... 811 00:34:02,367 --> 00:34:05,667 how... COVID became... 812 00:34:05,667 --> 00:34:08,100 he has to stay at her house all the time. 813 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,100 His reasoning with it 814 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,133 was that he wanted to keep 815 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,767 his family safe. 816 00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:17,266 He wanted to keep his little kids safe. 817 00:34:17,266 --> 00:34:19,767 I just... None of this makes sense. I'm sorry. It's... 818 00:34:19,767 --> 00:34:22,567 It's... It was favoritism, and that's it. 819 00:34:22,567 --> 00:34:25,000 So for two years, she did every single thing 820 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,467 -he asked her to do. -Mmm-hmm. 821 00:34:26,467 --> 00:34:28,100 "Well, we can't favor you." 822 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,767 Okay, but she's following the protocols. 823 00:34:29,767 --> 00:34:30,967 So what does it matter? 824 00:34:30,967 --> 00:34:32,967 That is gaslighting. 825 00:34:32,967 --> 00:34:35,166 -There you go. That was gaslighting. -That's gaslighting. 826 00:34:35,166 --> 00:34:38,433 With Robyn, I feel like I've put in a lot, 827 00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:42,000 and, especially over COVID, 828 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,500 it's like, I was the one who was always calling. 829 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,567 It wasn't being reciprocated and I... 830 00:34:46,567 --> 00:34:49,767 I really believe that a relationship has to be reciprocal. 831 00:34:49,767 --> 00:34:51,300 And it wasn't reciprocal. 832 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,300 A perfect example is at your mom's funeral. 833 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600 [sighs] Yeah, that was hard. 834 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,700 The fact that Robyn didn't come to my mom's funeral 835 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,100 and support me in that way at that time 836 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,066 was very hurtful to me. 837 00:35:06,066 --> 00:35:08,233 You know, they were following the COVID rules. 838 00:35:08,567 --> 00:35:09,767 And, you know, 839 00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:12,000 I felt really bad about that. 840 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,367 And I kind of understood. 841 00:35:14,367 --> 00:35:16,967 But also, Kody ended up going, too, you know... 842 00:35:16,967 --> 00:35:19,667 So I just... The whole thing was really confusing to me. 843 00:35:19,667 --> 00:35:22,100 That... that she wouldn't go because Janelle went. 844 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,567 Kody went because we couldn't both quarantine away 845 00:35:25,567 --> 00:35:26,867 from the kids for that long. 846 00:35:26,867 --> 00:35:27,900 I didn't have... 847 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,500 You know, I didn't have that option. 848 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,367 During this time, I was missing all kinds of things, 849 00:35:32,367 --> 00:35:33,700 Avalon's birth, 850 00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,000 my dad was super sick and in the hospital. 851 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,400 I wish I could have. 852 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,166 I love Bonnie. 853 00:35:39,166 --> 00:35:41,667 And I wanted to be supportive to Meri, 854 00:35:41,667 --> 00:35:43,300 and I would have been there in a heartbeat 855 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,100 if it hadn't have been the situation 856 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,166 that we were dealing with with COVID. 857 00:35:47,166 --> 00:35:49,467 It's always been, "I'm there for you. 858 00:35:49,467 --> 00:35:51,266 I'm always gonna be there for you." 859 00:35:51,266 --> 00:35:53,667 And then there's been multiple times 860 00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:55,567 where she hasn't been there, 861 00:35:55,567 --> 00:35:57,100 but Meri's then been there for her. 862 00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:59,467 I quit calling her and texting her 863 00:35:59,467 --> 00:36:02,266 because I... I was the only one doing it. 864 00:36:02,266 --> 00:36:04,767 It wasn't meant to be mean. 865 00:36:04,767 --> 00:36:06,367 It was just... 866 00:36:06,367 --> 00:36:07,867 I need this to be reciprocal 867 00:36:07,867 --> 00:36:10,900 if it's going to be a relationship and it wasn't. 868 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:12,467 But I don't know. I don't know what happened. 869 00:36:12,467 --> 00:36:14,266 I don't know what happened behind the scenes. 870 00:36:14,266 --> 00:36:15,433 I don't either. 871 00:36:15,433 --> 00:36:17,900 -I don't either. -I think everybody contributed, honestly. 872 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:19,667 Like, knowing every single thing I know. 873 00:36:19,667 --> 00:36:21,567 I think Robyn did. I think there was lots of things... 874 00:36:21,567 --> 00:36:23,400 Like, for the downfall of the family.? 875 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,634 -[Jenn] Yeah. -Right. I think... 876 00:36:24,634 --> 00:36:26,400 -it was every one of us. -But also the downfall of your own... 877 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,367 like, your own marriage. 878 00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:29,867 You have done a really good job 879 00:36:29,867 --> 00:36:32,200 of staying out of everyone else's marriage. 880 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,467 [Brandi] Mmm-hmm. 881 00:36:33,467 --> 00:36:36,066 And not everyone else did a good job of staying out of yours. 882 00:36:36,066 --> 00:36:39,166 Yeah, I know. There was a lot of stuff said about me. 883 00:36:39,166 --> 00:36:40,967 Okay, so they were on the property 884 00:36:40,967 --> 00:36:42,500 having this conversation... 885 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:43,767 Okay, I can't. I just-- 886 00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:45,100 You're gonna have to just tell her 887 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,066 -because I'm gonna throw my damn cup through the wall. -[chuckles] 888 00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:49,166 Like, I'm... I get so frustrated... 889 00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:51,000 -with like-- -About, like, our breakup conversation? 890 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,500 [Jenn] About... 891 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,567 -Flagstaff property? -...what he said in front of Nathan and Rebecca. 892 00:36:56,567 --> 00:36:59,367 So basically, Kody and I 893 00:36:59,367 --> 00:37:01,467 had our breakup conversation. 894 00:37:01,467 --> 00:37:04,567 We were out on the property and we were talking about it. 895 00:37:04,567 --> 00:37:06,300 Like, it just kind of started coming up. 896 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:08,467 And we're like, "All right, well, we're here. We're talking about it. 897 00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:09,467 Let's talk about it." 898 00:37:09,467 --> 00:37:11,400 Well, Robyn was there, too. 899 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,834 You want something that... we can't have together. 900 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:19,600 [sniffles] 901 00:37:20,867 --> 00:37:24,066 [sobbing] I'm sorry. I... just need to move away. 902 00:37:24,066 --> 00:37:25,133 I'm sorry. 903 00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:27,700 I'm sorry. I just want to be supportive of you two, 904 00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:29,667 but I just need to move away. 905 00:37:29,667 --> 00:37:33,066 And so she was upset by it, you know, 906 00:37:33,066 --> 00:37:35,000 and so she stood up and she walked away. 907 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,100 So later... Kody goes... 908 00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:40,367 [chuckling softly] 909 00:37:41,066 --> 00:37:43,367 [chuckling] I don't understand him, Brandi. 910 00:37:43,367 --> 00:37:45,867 I don't understand him at all. [laughing] 911 00:37:45,867 --> 00:37:47,133 [exhales] 912 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:49,900 [all laughing] 913 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:51,467 I don't even know what I'm gonna say. 914 00:37:51,467 --> 00:37:52,467 -I can't! -I try not to look at you. 915 00:37:52,467 --> 00:37:54,767 -I can't. -It frustrates the hell out of me. 916 00:37:54,767 --> 00:37:56,634 -Sorry. -I'm so sorry. He goes... 917 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,066 "That was so hard on Robyn." 918 00:38:00,066 --> 00:38:01,367 I thought it was fair for you and I 919 00:38:01,367 --> 00:38:03,066 to have a conversation without Robyn 920 00:38:03,066 --> 00:38:04,400 being involved in it. 921 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,266 Hundred percent. 922 00:38:06,266 --> 00:38:07,467 I agree with you. 923 00:38:07,467 --> 00:38:10,000 Poor girl. That whole talk just wrecked her. 924 00:38:10,467 --> 00:38:11,767 Okay. 925 00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:14,100 -What? [laughing] -No, wait... 926 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,166 -Wait, there's more. -No, no, there can't be more. 927 00:38:17,166 --> 00:38:18,367 [Meri] "Poor girl." [chuckles] 928 00:38:18,367 --> 00:38:20,000 Stop! 929 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,367 It was hard on Robyn, and I looked at him, 930 00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:23,800 and I'm like, "Yeah, it was... 931 00:38:24,166 --> 00:38:26,066 kind of hard on me, too." 932 00:38:26,066 --> 00:38:28,900 -[Jenn] "I had a tough go of it, too, there, buddy." -You think? 933 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:32,400 I'm not discounting how hard it was on Robyn? 934 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,467 It's like he's completely discounting me. 935 00:38:35,467 --> 00:38:39,166 The fact that he and I started this family together. 936 00:38:39,166 --> 00:38:42,066 If you would have cried, he would have taken it seriously. 937 00:38:42,066 --> 00:38:44,100 It was so weird. Like-- 938 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,367 Why is he so stupid? 939 00:38:45,367 --> 00:38:46,634 [laughs] 940 00:38:46,634 --> 00:38:48,600 -He got what-- -So she'd be really threatened if he met a girl 941 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,400 that cries, like, all the time. 942 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,500 -[all chuckling] -[Brandi] And just need to-- 943 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,667 I mean, it was kind of hard on me, too, Kody. 944 00:38:54,667 --> 00:38:57,367 There was already a lot of tears shed, 945 00:38:57,367 --> 00:38:59,100 and he didn't care about it. 946 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,200 My legs are hurting, you guys. 947 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,467 -I know. Mine are-- -Can we now get in the car? 948 00:39:01,467 --> 00:39:02,300 -My foot's asleep. -Let's... 949 00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:03,834 -Let's go. -Yeah. 950 00:39:03,834 --> 00:39:04,734 -'Cause I don't wanna go over there in the dark. -What do you wanna look at? 951 00:39:04,734 --> 00:39:06,033 We're gonna go look at the house. 952 00:39:06,033 --> 00:39:07,567 -We're gonna look sketchy. -We're gonna go have closure. 953 00:39:07,567 --> 00:39:08,433 Okay. 954 00:39:09,567 --> 00:39:11,967 You have one red tomato. 955 00:39:11,967 --> 00:39:13,967 Okay, don't make fun of me if I don't know how to drive. 956 00:39:13,967 --> 00:39:16,667 -[Meri] No. It's rude. -[all chuckling] 957 00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:19,834 -[indistinct conversation] -[Jenn] Oh, Yeah, they did put fences up. 958 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:22,433 Well, ladies... 959 00:39:23,166 --> 00:39:24,967 -here we are. -[Jenn] It looks so different. 960 00:39:24,967 --> 00:39:27,467 -It's so weird. -[Jenn] Like, everything grew. 961 00:39:27,467 --> 00:39:30,066 We had such a dream when we moved here, 962 00:39:30,066 --> 00:39:33,166 and it was really sad when we left. 963 00:39:33,166 --> 00:39:36,000 I've been back to the cul-de-sac a few times. 964 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,066 I wonder a lot if we would have stayed together, 965 00:39:38,066 --> 00:39:39,700 we would have stayed in Las Vegas. 966 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,767 Well, I've been back to the cul-de-sac one... time. 967 00:39:43,767 --> 00:39:46,333 It was hard to... it was really difficult. 968 00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:48,700 You know, I have never gone back 969 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:50,100 to see the cul-de-sac in Vegas. 970 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,667 I just haven't really had any interest or inclination. 971 00:39:53,667 --> 00:39:56,800 To me, that's like the chapter is closed. 972 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,300 I don't need to go back and see the location, 973 00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:01,266 but I know that some people in our family 974 00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:03,467 have felt like that was healing 975 00:40:03,467 --> 00:40:06,000 or... beneficial 976 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,767 There was a lot of cool things that happened here, 977 00:40:08,767 --> 00:40:11,634 but now it's somebody else's cool stuff. 978 00:40:12,567 --> 00:40:15,567 I'm feeling a little bit anxious. 979 00:40:15,567 --> 00:40:18,100 Um, it's very awkward. It's weird. 980 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,000 Very much feeling 981 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,233 I... I don't need to be here very long. 982 00:40:22,667 --> 00:40:24,100 All right! 983 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,567 -Let's go. I'm done. -[Brandi] That's... Recommitment ceremony. Sorry. 984 00:40:26,567 --> 00:40:28,500 I'm not! I'm not! 985 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,567 -She doesn't want to go there. -Like, y'all, it's cool. 986 00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:31,867 It's awesome. It's weird. 987 00:40:31,867 --> 00:40:33,400 But I'm like beyond it. 988 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,667 -I'm so glad you're beyond it. -I am. 989 00:40:35,667 --> 00:40:38,567 -[all chuckling] -[Brandi] It's not helping! 990 00:40:38,567 --> 00:40:40,767 [all continue laughing] 991 00:40:40,767 --> 00:40:43,100 -[Jenn] You don't want... -[Brandi] Trust me. 992 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:46,000 Do you guys want ice cream after pizza? 993 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,367 -Yeah. -And chicken? 994 00:40:47,367 --> 00:40:49,100 I brought ice cream. Just kidding. 995 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:50,800 -Mmm. -Your mom brought ice cream. 996 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,467 I just brought the toppings. 997 00:40:52,467 --> 00:40:55,433 -Meri said if... -[chuckles] 998 00:40:55,967 --> 00:40:58,000 ...If she was given a choice 999 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,767 to join our family 1000 00:40:59,767 --> 00:41:01,967 versus Jenn's family... 1001 00:41:01,967 --> 00:41:03,667 she chose our family. 1002 00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:05,400 -Aw! -[Jenn] But I mean, obviously, 1003 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,567 you have more robots. 1004 00:41:06,567 --> 00:41:09,100 -[chuckles] -Only because of you, 1005 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,967 and in spite of me. 1006 00:41:10,967 --> 00:41:12,767 [Meri] I did say... 1007 00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:15,200 -You'd be a very difficult-- -...you're pretty dang awesome, 1008 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,467 and she'd be a rough sister wife. 1009 00:41:17,467 --> 00:41:19,367 -[Tim] She would. -Oh, absolutely. 1010 00:41:19,367 --> 00:41:20,900 -I'd be the worse. -[Jenn] Sean's gonna hear this 1011 00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:22,266 and get his feelings hurt, by the way. 1012 00:41:22,266 --> 00:41:23,800 Listen, I love Sean, too. 1013 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,400 Yeah, you're gonna have to prove it. 1014 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000 -[Brandi] But he's no Tim. -[all laughing] 1015 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,166 I got married once, and I've been divorced twice. 1016 00:41:31,166 --> 00:41:33,166 [chuckling] 1017 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:35,500 How many people can say that? 1018 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:37,033 [indistinct conversation] 1019 00:41:38,266 --> 00:41:40,600 Wow. I'm an anomaly. 1020 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,800 Married once, divorced twice. 1021 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,300 [chuckles] 1022 00:41:45,266 --> 00:41:47,400 [narrator] Next time on Sister Wives... 1023 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,100 -[Christine chuckling] -[woman] Who is this? 1024 00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,500 Today is the first day I'm going to see my wedding dress. 1025 00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:52,800 I want to try it on. Yes. 1026 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,367 I had no idea how incredible it would feel 1027 00:41:55,367 --> 00:41:57,700 to look at wedding dresses with my daughters. 1028 00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,300 -You guys ready? -[all] Yes. 1029 00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:02,133 -Oh, my goodness. -[laughs] 1030 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,600 I'm not just throwing this in the garbage. 1031 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,300 I'm going to, on purpose, ruin it. 1032 00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:12,166 -[cheering] -And... he's out. 1033 00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:13,667 Hey, let's go. Come on. 1034 00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:16,266 I was hearing some feedback from family 1035 00:42:16,266 --> 00:42:19,166 about the accusations being made against me. 1036 00:42:19,166 --> 00:42:21,500 There's a jealousy and dislike that they've had 1037 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:22,667 toward Robyn, 1038 00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:24,700 especially Christine and Janelle. 1039 00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:26,667 We were supposed to be a team working together. 1040 00:42:26,667 --> 00:42:30,000 I feel like I've been gaslit, like crazy.