1 00:00:01,567 --> 00:00:03,367 [Janelle] Previously on "Sister Wives." 2 00:00:03,934 --> 00:00:05,967 So I am in New Orleans. 3 00:00:06,767 --> 00:00:07,367 Property's closed, like it's free. 4 00:00:08,266 --> 00:00:09,667 I'm like, "It's good." Everything's good. 5 00:00:10,367 --> 00:00:11,166 [woman] Another beautiful night. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,767 Here's to Janelle getting a new man. 7 00:00:14,867 --> 00:00:16,000 [Janelle] They are really pushing the dating thing. 8 00:00:16,967 --> 00:00:19,266 They can push. It doesn't mean I have to act. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,467 You don't have any handsome farmers around us, do you? 10 00:00:23,266 --> 00:00:24,767 -[all laugh] -I wouldn't tell you. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,967 [woman #2] Oh, no. 12 00:00:28,934 --> 00:00:31,266 Maybe you could explain to me, what it is... 13 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:33,467 -[Meri laughs] -...that you've committed us to. 14 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:36,000 So it's not gonna be like a speed dating thing. 15 00:00:36,767 --> 00:00:37,567 -What's it called? -I don't know. 16 00:00:38,567 --> 00:00:41,000 It's like Vegas girls or something like that. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,400 -You're nervous. -Well, because dating is weird. 18 00:00:44,834 --> 00:00:46,000 Dating is weird. 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,667 I really have no idea what we've gotten into. 20 00:00:49,834 --> 00:00:53,100 We're just gonna have fun. And if I meet somebody, cool. 21 00:00:55,767 --> 00:00:57,100 [Kody] After the sell at Coyote Pass, 22 00:00:57,633 --> 00:00:58,200 I was disappointed. 23 00:00:59,533 --> 00:01:03,266 I've been saying embarrassed, but the real factor is 24 00:01:03,834 --> 00:01:05,266 is that I felt shame. 25 00:01:06,033 --> 00:01:07,767 I'm in North Carolina right now. 26 00:01:08,667 --> 00:01:11,367 I'm traveling here to meet with Janelle. 27 00:01:13,367 --> 00:01:17,100 It's an effort to just say, "Have a great" -- 28 00:01:17,834 --> 00:01:19,400 I don't even know how to say it. 29 00:01:20,266 --> 00:01:21,900 I don't even know what to say, really. 30 00:01:22,934 --> 00:01:24,800 I was hurt, and I was angry, and I was betrayed, 31 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:25,967 and I wanted to... 32 00:01:27,033 --> 00:01:29,367 I had a feeling of "Let's get even." 33 00:01:29,934 --> 00:01:30,900 I'm on the right path. 34 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:33,900 I'm looking forward to laying it all out bare 35 00:01:35,367 --> 00:01:36,467 with what I've done. 36 00:01:40,867 --> 00:01:42,800 [main theme playing] 37 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:03,100 [upbeat music playing] 38 00:02:14,066 --> 00:02:14,967 [Amber] Do we have to do that? 39 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:16,100 [Meri] What have we gotten ourselves into? 40 00:02:16,834 --> 00:02:17,867 [Amber] Do we have to? 41 00:02:18,567 --> 00:02:19,667 So Amber and I came to Vegas. 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,500 We came for this speed dating type event. 43 00:02:23,233 --> 00:02:25,166 -[woman] Hello, ladies. -Hello. 44 00:02:25,433 --> 00:02:26,166 Hi. 45 00:02:26,934 --> 00:02:27,800 Are you guys ready to find love? 46 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:29,767 -Yes, actually. -[Amber] Sure. 47 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,266 So this is kind of like a speed dating type event 48 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:37,600 at a golf location and kind of like a bar area. 49 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:39,200 Hopefully there's about an equal amount of 50 00:02:40,066 --> 00:02:41,000 girls and guys. I haven't seen that yet. 51 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:43,266 But maybe, maybe it'll happen. 52 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:44,567 -OK, -[man] So you're gonna scan 53 00:02:45,066 --> 00:02:45,767 the QR code. -OK. 54 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:47,900 [man] It'll have you fill out a questionnaire. 55 00:02:48,767 --> 00:02:51,100 So around 8:45 or so, we'll break you 56 00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:52,667 into some smaller groups. 57 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:54,467 And then it'll do another countdown. 58 00:02:55,166 --> 00:02:55,867 And you're gonna get the match 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,767 that it thinks is your best match based on the answers 60 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,667 that you put into there. -That's a really long time from now. 61 00:03:00,166 --> 00:03:00,967 [man] Uh, yes -- 62 00:03:01,633 --> 00:03:02,767 So we're supposed to mingle 63 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:04,066 with random people -Yes, so... 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,467 -Yes, so... -For over an hour? 65 00:03:06,333 --> 00:03:06,767 That's what the liquid courage is for. 66 00:03:07,166 --> 00:03:08,266 OK, got it. 67 00:03:08,967 --> 00:03:10,100 We're going to go far in here. 68 00:03:11,367 --> 00:03:13,467 I'm nervous. We both are. 69 00:03:14,533 --> 00:03:17,667 Not quite sure what to expect. We're just doing it. 70 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:20,000 Here we go. Here we go. 71 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:24,266 [Amber] Now we have to answer these questions. 72 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,800 "Flirting is a form of cheating." 73 00:03:27,066 --> 00:03:27,900 Yes. 74 00:03:29,066 --> 00:03:31,667 "Strongly disagree. Strongly agree." 75 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 I agree. 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:34,567 Yeah, I definitely think that if you're flirting 77 00:03:35,467 --> 00:03:38,000 with somebody and you're in a relationship, 78 00:03:38,834 --> 00:03:39,767 I mean, you shouldn't be doing that. 79 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:45,567 I think flirting in a plural relationship is, like, 80 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:47,867 you need to be careful with it and you need to actually 81 00:03:48,667 --> 00:03:49,867 nurture all of your relationships 82 00:03:50,767 --> 00:03:52,867 if you're wanting to flirt with somebody 83 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:54,467 in front of somebody else. 84 00:03:55,633 --> 00:03:58,166 If one wife is not secure and you're out there flirting 85 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:02,066 with the other wife in front of her, that's just rude. 86 00:04:03,233 --> 00:04:06,567 You know, Kody was naturally warm and was naturally um... 87 00:04:07,767 --> 00:04:09,100 demonstrative. 88 00:04:09,734 --> 00:04:11,066 You know, that was just... 89 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:12,867 What it was, you know, was plural marriage, 90 00:04:13,433 --> 00:04:14,367 was what we were living. 91 00:04:15,533 --> 00:04:17,000 And I never thought it was a good idea to hide it anyway, 92 00:04:17,934 --> 00:04:19,567 but that was something they had established 93 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,567 before I even came along. 94 00:04:22,767 --> 00:04:24,667 Um, I mean, Kody always had little things that he would do 95 00:04:25,233 --> 00:04:26,567 to flirt with us all. 96 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,100 It was normal. 97 00:04:28,734 --> 00:04:29,667 It didn't bother me, yeah. 98 00:04:30,667 --> 00:04:32,300 He'd do a little wink or something, you know, 99 00:04:33,266 --> 00:04:35,166 and I guess sort of like a little flirt with us 100 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:36,367 in front of each other. 101 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,166 And it didn't really ever bother me. 102 00:04:39,066 --> 00:04:40,000 I mean, that's part of plural marriage. 103 00:04:41,867 --> 00:04:44,166 Everything pretty much was like, when you were 104 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,667 with everybody, you were classy, you know, you didn't really 105 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,300 do stuff like that. 106 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,900 That's like -- that'd be like a polygamous family killer, 107 00:04:51,834 --> 00:04:53,300 I would think, you know, to be all like that. 108 00:04:54,233 --> 00:04:55,567 OK, next question's gonna be your favorite. 109 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:58,767 -"I prefer kinky sex." -[Meri] Wait, wait. 110 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,000 -I, what? -Yep. 111 00:05:03,367 --> 00:05:04,300 Mm. 112 00:05:06,166 --> 00:05:08,367 -What'd you put? -What'd you put? 113 00:05:09,066 --> 00:05:10,667 -[Meri] One. -[Amber laughs] 114 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:12,667 I mean, to be fair, I wouldn't know, 115 00:05:13,266 --> 00:05:15,000 but there's that. OK. 116 00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:17,000 When you know, you would change your answer. 117 00:05:17,433 --> 00:05:18,467 I'm just saying. 118 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:23,767 I feel bad 'cause I know that these days with dating, 119 00:05:24,834 --> 00:05:26,200 it's very complicated. It's not what it used to be. 120 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:28,767 You know, the smartphone has just totally annihilated 121 00:05:29,433 --> 00:05:30,066 that whole thought process. 122 00:05:31,033 --> 00:05:31,867 I feel bad for people that are having to go 123 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:33,467 through this process now. 124 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:36,266 "You're in. Keep an eye on your text. 125 00:05:37,066 --> 00:05:37,900 "When your host runs the algorithm, 126 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,967 you'll get your match from this number." 127 00:05:40,233 --> 00:05:41,100 Yay. 128 00:05:42,367 --> 00:05:44,867 This is weird. All right. 129 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,200 Where are we going? 130 00:05:46,633 --> 00:05:47,767 I don't know. 131 00:05:48,433 --> 00:05:49,266 I don't know. Let's walk. 132 00:05:50,333 --> 00:05:52,600 I definitely go in with low expectations, and then 133 00:05:53,467 --> 00:05:54,600 if something happens, great, you know? 134 00:05:55,567 --> 00:05:57,000 What about, uh... 135 00:05:57,834 --> 00:05:59,000 the guy there looking at his phone? 136 00:05:59,533 --> 00:06:01,100 [indistinct chatter] 137 00:06:02,266 --> 00:06:03,667 [Amber] Not for me, for you. 138 00:06:04,333 --> 00:06:05,867 -No, I don't think so. -No? 139 00:06:08,567 --> 00:06:10,000 I wanted to wait, you know, 140 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:11,600 maybe not everybody was there yet. 141 00:06:12,433 --> 00:06:13,600 Maybe other people were gonna show up. 142 00:06:14,633 --> 00:06:16,667 There is this one guy here who's got his eye out 143 00:06:17,367 --> 00:06:18,467 for that girl. -[Amber] Yep. 144 00:06:18,867 --> 00:06:19,467 [Meri] 100%. 145 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:21,667 I saw him walk in, and he was like, "Yep, 146 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 I know who I want." 147 00:06:26,567 --> 00:06:28,867 I mean, there's a decent amount of people. 148 00:06:29,667 --> 00:06:31,000 Definitely the majority are women. 149 00:06:31,934 --> 00:06:34,700 Um, I was kind of hoping that there would be 150 00:06:35,967 --> 00:06:39,367 more men and maybe more men in that I would be, interested in, 151 00:06:40,567 --> 00:06:42,700 but at the same time, like, this is what dating is about. 152 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:44,500 This is dating. 153 00:06:45,066 --> 00:06:46,367 And I don't know if... 154 00:06:47,367 --> 00:06:49,500 I mean, I haven't dated since I was a teenager, 155 00:06:50,166 --> 00:06:51,200 but I think the dating scene 156 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:54,166 is just kinda tough for... 157 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:55,867 I think it's just tough all around. 158 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:59,300 Are we just being party poopers? 159 00:07:00,133 --> 00:07:01,000 -Maybe. -Are we being too picky? 160 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:02,100 Maybe. 161 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,300 [Amber] Are we closed off? 162 00:07:07,467 --> 00:07:11,900 I see nobody of interest at all for me or for you. 163 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,100 I don't either. I see nobody. 164 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,567 I feel like I get to be picky. 165 00:07:19,767 --> 00:07:22,200 You know, and I get that, like, I'm not gonna find, 166 00:07:23,266 --> 00:07:27,200 like, the perfect person that checks all the boxes. 167 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:29,000 I don't think the perfect person exists. 168 00:07:29,834 --> 00:07:30,800 But the perfect person for me exists, 169 00:07:31,734 --> 00:07:33,500 and that's -- that's who I'm looking for. 170 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:34,967 So I think I get to be picky. 171 00:07:39,367 --> 00:07:41,367 [soft pensive music playing] 172 00:07:51,467 --> 00:07:53,200 I'm here in North Carolina so that I can meet up 173 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:54,800 with Janelle and basically... 174 00:07:55,834 --> 00:07:59,200 just following through with my plans for apology 175 00:07:59,633 --> 00:08:01,100 to my ex wives. 176 00:08:01,734 --> 00:08:03,000 And I'm willing to accept 177 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:05,967 that it might happen with rejection, 178 00:08:07,133 --> 00:08:09,300 and I might have to just do my best to stay the course. 179 00:08:10,266 --> 00:08:12,300 I don't wanna fight. I just wanna apologize. 180 00:08:15,867 --> 00:08:17,767 You know, since Kody first called me and said, 181 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:20,467 "I wanna come meet with you," I thought... 182 00:08:21,066 --> 00:08:22,467 "Why?" I mean, why now? 183 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:26,467 You know, and I think that was part of the reason I was like, 184 00:08:27,567 --> 00:08:28,900 "Well, I'll go see, I'm curious what you have to say, 185 00:08:29,734 --> 00:08:30,867 but is this gonna be even for real"? 186 00:08:34,367 --> 00:08:35,300 -Hi. -[Janelle] Hi. 187 00:08:35,867 --> 00:08:36,767 -How are you? -Good. 188 00:08:37,633 --> 00:08:38,967 -Are you feeling healthy? -Yeah, I am. 189 00:08:39,667 --> 00:08:40,567 Good, good. Nice to see you. 190 00:08:41,533 --> 00:08:42,166 Thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate it. 191 00:08:45,367 --> 00:08:46,367 [Janelle] Thanks. 192 00:08:48,967 --> 00:08:51,967 I guess, you know, I saw Kody in person when we all met up 193 00:08:52,867 --> 00:08:53,500 at Coyote Pass, and that was so awkward. 194 00:08:54,333 --> 00:08:54,567 We didn't really talk to each other. 195 00:08:55,266 --> 00:08:55,667 It was just awkward. 196 00:08:56,834 --> 00:08:59,767 Robyn was there, and that makes the dynamic really weird. 197 00:09:01,066 --> 00:09:02,667 Kody feels like he has to run interference and protect Robyn 198 00:09:03,433 --> 00:09:03,900 and, like, I don't know, whatever. 199 00:09:04,467 --> 00:09:05,000 I don't know, whatever. 200 00:09:05,834 --> 00:09:07,166 Like, it was so awkward and disjointed 201 00:09:07,967 --> 00:09:09,567 when we all met up at the property. 202 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,266 And this is just he and I. 203 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:12,600 There's no other outside parties. 204 00:09:13,133 --> 00:09:13,700 There's no politics. 205 00:09:14,867 --> 00:09:16,700 -Have you eaten here before? -I have. 206 00:09:17,467 --> 00:09:18,000 -It's really good. -[Kody] Yeah? 207 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:19,367 -Awesome. -Yeah. 208 00:09:20,467 --> 00:09:21,467 -So. -[Kody] Well... 209 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:24,767 -Good choice then. -[Janelle] Yeah. 210 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:27,266 -It's like people that I know like this place. -Oh, OK, cool. 211 00:09:28,133 --> 00:09:28,467 -And so they recommended it. -OK, cool. 212 00:09:29,433 --> 00:09:29,767 And I'm like, when you said this, I'm like, 213 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:31,000 "OK, sure." -Yeah. 214 00:09:31,667 --> 00:09:33,066 -[Janelle] Sure. -All right. 215 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:35,000 The town, it's all quaint. 216 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,166 I wore a jacket because I couldn't see humidity, 217 00:09:39,433 --> 00:09:40,567 assuming that it would be a little bit high. -[Janelle] Yeah. 218 00:09:41,767 --> 00:09:43,467 But it seemed cold 'cause all the weather was pretty cool. 219 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:45,000 Yeah, we've had an unusual year. 220 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:46,467 -We have. -Like, it's cool. 221 00:09:46,767 --> 00:09:47,467 Yeah. 222 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,767 ♪♪ 223 00:09:50,166 --> 00:09:50,867 So that's... 224 00:09:52,066 --> 00:09:53,266 That's great. Uh. 225 00:09:55,467 --> 00:09:58,367 This is so awkward, but even if you have to start out 226 00:09:58,867 --> 00:09:59,800 with the weather, 227 00:10:00,734 --> 00:10:01,800 you gotta start out with some conversation 228 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:03,667 to break a little bit of ice. 229 00:10:04,667 --> 00:10:05,767 You can't just jump into something, especially 230 00:10:06,333 --> 00:10:07,266 as heavy as an apology. 231 00:10:14,166 --> 00:10:17,700 I don't wanna talk to Kody ever again. 232 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:22,166 Kody contacted and wants to have a conversation. 233 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,567 I need to know what the motive is, which is so sad to admit. 234 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:29,200 [Meri] I literally knew Kody for two months at the time 235 00:10:29,734 --> 00:10:31,266 that we got engaged. 236 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,000 There's no way I would ever do that again. 237 00:10:36,066 --> 00:10:38,000 [gentle techno music playing] 238 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,467 This is the weirdest experience. 239 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,166 You know what? Golfing has never been my thing, right? 240 00:10:53,266 --> 00:10:54,867 I mean, I've done mini golf, and I think mini golf is 241 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:56,467 a lot of fun. 242 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:58,000 I don't know. I'm not good at golf, 243 00:10:59,033 --> 00:10:59,767 and so I'm not gonna go up with a bunch of people 244 00:11:00,734 --> 00:11:01,567 that I'm not comfortable with and, like, 245 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,400 do something that I look stupid doing, either, so. 246 00:11:12,667 --> 00:11:14,367 Three, two. 247 00:11:15,433 --> 00:11:18,066 I'm not trying to discount my 30 years of marriage, 248 00:11:19,133 --> 00:11:22,667 but I know what I want and I know what I don't want 249 00:11:23,467 --> 00:11:25,166 based on experiences that I've had. 250 00:11:26,433 --> 00:11:28,867 I literally knew Kody for two months at the time 251 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,500 that we got engaged. 252 00:11:31,467 --> 00:11:33,066 We knew each other for six months at the time 253 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:34,367 that we got married. 254 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:37,900 You know, like, we came from a religious culture 255 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:42,367 that promoted that, for sure, and so it was normal for us, 256 00:11:43,367 --> 00:11:45,667 but there's no way I would ever do that again. 257 00:11:47,166 --> 00:11:48,567 [woman] All right, everybody. 258 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,166 It's the moment that you've all been waiting for. 259 00:11:54,667 --> 00:11:55,467 In a few seconds, 260 00:11:56,533 --> 00:11:58,700 you are about to get a text message to your phone. 261 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:02,100 You will get your match! 262 00:12:02,633 --> 00:12:04,467 -[all] Whoo! -Whoo! 263 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:06,867 You know, I think it's gonna be interesting to see 264 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,500 if they even match me with somebody, um... 265 00:12:11,567 --> 00:12:13,166 just based on this questionnaire, 266 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:15,367 that maybe they will, maybe they won't, I don't know. 267 00:12:15,934 --> 00:12:18,000 But it doesn't feel like 268 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:21,867 a speed dating event at all. 269 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,000 [indistinct chatter] 270 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,867 Yeah, I think the structure of the speed dating event 271 00:12:33,934 --> 00:12:36,400 that I went to up in Salt Lake was so much better. 272 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:39,600 Tell me about yourself. How long have you been single? 273 00:12:40,467 --> 00:12:41,500 -Single, two years. -[Ron] Two years. 274 00:12:42,066 --> 00:12:42,867 -I have a dog. -Nice. 275 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:44,800 I have a child. 276 00:12:45,867 --> 00:12:47,400 I'm really glad that I met Ron at the other event. 277 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:50,266 Um...he and I have a really cool connection. 278 00:12:51,433 --> 00:12:53,867 But this is just the world that I'm living in right now. 279 00:12:55,367 --> 00:12:58,200 You know, the dating scene is weird. 280 00:12:59,767 --> 00:13:03,000 You know, it's like, sometimes it's gonna be fun, 281 00:13:03,934 --> 00:13:04,767 sometimes I'm gonna be interested in a guy 282 00:13:05,967 --> 00:13:08,500 and he's not gonna be interested in me, sometimes vice versa. 283 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,800 You know what I mean? Like, it's just... 284 00:13:11,367 --> 00:13:11,900 It just is what it is. 285 00:13:25,166 --> 00:13:27,700 I didn't end up getting matched with anybody, 286 00:13:28,233 --> 00:13:29,467 and I'm OK with that 287 00:13:30,133 --> 00:13:31,266 because I didn't see anybody 288 00:13:32,066 --> 00:13:33,266 that I wanted to be matched with, 289 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:36,100 so it was a win. 290 00:13:43,266 --> 00:13:44,800 [Amber] OK. 291 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:45,867 I think we're out. 292 00:13:48,166 --> 00:13:49,600 No, I'm not disappointed. 293 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,166 I think this is just the process. 294 00:13:52,133 --> 00:13:54,600 I think this is the game that I'm in right now. 295 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,300 But I'm up for the adventure 'cause I do want to find 296 00:13:58,834 --> 00:13:59,867 my person, you know? 297 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:06,467 You know, they say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. 298 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:09,800 And I'm definitely leaving this experience here, 299 00:14:10,967 --> 00:14:14,066 and we'll just have to find a better version next time. 300 00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:17,967 [Meri continues laughing] 301 00:14:19,467 --> 00:14:21,467 [gentle music playing] 302 00:14:27,767 --> 00:14:30,100 [David] We live where there's a pickleball court. 303 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:31,867 Christine's like, "Let's go play." 304 00:14:33,066 --> 00:14:35,400 She thinks she can beat me. It's on! 305 00:14:38,166 --> 00:14:39,900 Hey, cheater! Behind the line. 306 00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:43,100 -You have to serve from here? -[David] Uh-huh. 307 00:14:43,867 --> 00:14:44,567 So pickleball is like this rage. 308 00:14:45,433 --> 00:14:46,700 It's this rage. It's easier than tennis. 309 00:14:47,367 --> 00:14:48,000 And it's not bad. It's OK. 310 00:14:48,967 --> 00:14:49,867 I've really honestly never played it before. 311 00:14:51,033 --> 00:14:52,867 I've tried so many different sports, and I'm terrible at 312 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:55,000 all of them. All sports. 313 00:14:56,166 --> 00:14:58,000 You have sunglasses, you cheater! 314 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,200 How is wearing sunglasses cheating, knowing the elements? 315 00:15:03,233 --> 00:15:05,667 That's not cheating. That's preparing for battle. 316 00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:07,700 [competitive music playing] 317 00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:10,400 [Christine] Out. 318 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:12,600 -So that was one point for you. -[David] One to me. 319 00:15:13,533 --> 00:15:14,967 You know why you're not good at this game? 320 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:17,000 -[Christine] Why? -'Cause you can't cheat. 321 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:18,900 Oh, my God. You know what, else [bleep]. 322 00:15:19,467 --> 00:15:20,567 I love to trash talk. 323 00:15:22,967 --> 00:15:24,400 Four. 324 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:25,767 Do you have a hole in that paddle? 325 00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:26,767 Check it. 326 00:15:27,734 --> 00:15:28,467 [Christine] Do you have a hole in your mouth? 327 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,967 It gets in their head. Then they can't win. 328 00:15:32,166 --> 00:15:33,567 So if I'm cheating that way, hey, that's part of the game. 329 00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:37,166 No, I swear. David, God! 330 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:40,767 I hate sports. 331 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,066 David can aim. 332 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:46,567 -[David groans] -I smashed it in the left. 333 00:15:47,133 --> 00:15:47,800 You're getting it now. 334 00:15:48,567 --> 00:15:48,967 -[David] Go get it. -You get it. 335 00:15:49,734 --> 00:15:51,000 He can aim where he hits the ball. 336 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,767 And he is hitting it out there on purpose because he likes 337 00:15:54,667 --> 00:15:56,066 to just get me worn out. That's his tactic. 338 00:15:56,633 --> 00:15:57,567 Who's the cheater now? 339 00:15:58,066 --> 00:15:58,700 Oh, that was out. 340 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:00,300 -[David] No, that was in. -Damn it to hell! 341 00:16:01,367 --> 00:16:03,700 David, can you go that way? Can you aim that way? 342 00:16:05,033 --> 00:16:07,700 Hey, I just know how to angle the ball right through 343 00:16:08,767 --> 00:16:10,066 that door opening there to let her go chase them. 344 00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:13,100 Let's do the pump chest. Ready? 345 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,567 -That hurts. -[David groans] 346 00:16:16,367 --> 00:16:18,166 David won. 347 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:20,100 David won. No one is surprised. 348 00:16:21,233 --> 00:16:23,000 He's never played pickleball either, so I thought that 349 00:16:24,133 --> 00:16:26,867 it would be less of a big, huge gap between the winner 350 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:28,166 and the loser. 351 00:16:28,934 --> 00:16:30,467 Good job, babe. That was awesome. 352 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,367 [Christine giggles] 353 00:16:34,066 --> 00:16:36,266 So Kody reached out to me and wants to have, 354 00:16:37,166 --> 00:16:39,066 like, a conversation, like olive branch, 355 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:41,166 benevolence was in there. 356 00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:43,900 I was completely shocked when Kody reached out. 357 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:46,600 It came out of absolutely nowhere. 358 00:16:47,834 --> 00:16:50,166 Janelle told me that Kody reached out to her. 359 00:16:51,367 --> 00:16:51,900 I'm like, "Well, you know, how are you feeling about that"? 360 00:16:53,033 --> 00:16:54,100 And she's like, "Well, I just know, I don't know why." 361 00:16:55,033 --> 00:16:55,567 You know, I don't know what the agenda is, 362 00:16:56,767 --> 00:16:57,900 But apparently there's like an olive branch or something. 363 00:16:58,967 --> 00:17:00,767 And I'm like, "I don't know." But she didn't know. 364 00:17:01,734 --> 00:17:02,467 It just came out of nowhere for her as well. 365 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,200 I feel like I had so much anxiety today, just so much 366 00:17:07,767 --> 00:17:09,266 anxiety today. -Why? 367 00:17:09,834 --> 00:17:10,567 I don't wanna have... 368 00:17:11,633 --> 00:17:13,667 I just feel so hypocritical, but I don't wanna talk 369 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,567 to Kody ever again. I just don't want to. 370 00:17:18,133 --> 00:17:19,166 David, I don't want to. 371 00:17:19,567 --> 00:17:20,367 But why? Why? 372 00:17:21,367 --> 00:17:22,767 Because it was brain damage for so many years. 373 00:17:23,967 --> 00:17:25,900 When Kody first reached out, I was like, "No. 374 00:17:26,834 --> 00:17:28,266 No, I'm not gonna go. That's ridiculous." 375 00:17:29,333 --> 00:17:29,800 I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth. 376 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:31,500 Why would I put myself in that situation? 377 00:17:31,767 --> 00:17:32,600 No. 378 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,667 Like, the last conversation that we had together. 379 00:17:38,834 --> 00:17:40,567 Last several conversations we've had haven't been great. 380 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:44,400 Man, just the knife in the kidneys 381 00:17:44,967 --> 00:17:46,266 over all these years. 382 00:17:48,867 --> 00:17:51,667 Like, every single time, they just turn around 383 00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:53,467 and bite me in the butt. Why? 384 00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:55,200 Why? Why? 385 00:17:55,467 --> 00:17:56,300 Why? 386 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,667 You gotta realize that people do change. 387 00:17:59,767 --> 00:18:01,467 Even though we don't ever think they will, they will. 388 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:04,266 Where's the proof of the last time that I heard him talking 389 00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:05,400 about me, who was mean? 390 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,567 I need to know what the motive is, which is so sad to admit. 391 00:18:11,734 --> 00:18:13,066 But before I agree to have a conversation with Kody, why? 392 00:18:19,467 --> 00:18:21,367 I think the meanest thing that I did 393 00:18:22,467 --> 00:18:24,567 was I said, "I didn't love you." 394 00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:25,867 That wasn't true. 395 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:29,166 We used to be lovers. 396 00:18:30,233 --> 00:18:33,367 And we used to really like being around each other. 397 00:18:37,967 --> 00:18:39,900 [soft music playing] 398 00:18:47,667 --> 00:18:49,767 I wanted to fly out here and meet with you. 399 00:18:50,633 --> 00:18:51,767 Basically, I just wanted to come and say 400 00:18:52,867 --> 00:18:53,900 that I apologize. 401 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,300 Wow. All right. 402 00:18:58,800 --> 00:18:59,467 [Kody] Yeah. Um. 403 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,767 Oh, I have a list. 404 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,800 -OK. -[Kody] I'd just love to apologize for... 405 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,367 the first thing is I wanna kinda go backwards. 406 00:19:09,967 --> 00:19:10,967 I wanna apologize for... 407 00:19:12,867 --> 00:19:15,900 just being so angry and so bitter 408 00:19:17,567 --> 00:19:18,667 over the family breakup. 409 00:19:20,467 --> 00:19:23,467 And just nobody deserved to have me be that angry. 410 00:19:26,767 --> 00:19:28,100 Wow, thanks. 411 00:19:29,233 --> 00:19:31,266 Yeah, I kept thinking, "I don't know who this guy is." 412 00:19:32,367 --> 00:19:33,500 I used to always tell everybody, I'm like, "This is not 413 00:19:34,367 --> 00:19:35,967 the guy that I was married to forever." 414 00:19:36,867 --> 00:19:38,967 Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, so... 415 00:19:39,467 --> 00:19:40,667 [Kody] Yeah, I... 416 00:19:41,467 --> 00:19:42,166 You weren't the only one saying that. 417 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,166 The person I would see speaking all these things 418 00:19:47,266 --> 00:19:48,367 publicly, I'm like, "I don't know who that guy is." 419 00:19:49,033 --> 00:19:49,967 I still don't recognize him. 420 00:19:50,867 --> 00:19:51,867 It's like, again, like, somebody I've seen 421 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:53,500 that I used to know a long time ago. 422 00:19:54,266 --> 00:19:55,000 Lots of pieces that I recognize, 423 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:57,667 lots of common things that we can remember together, 424 00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:59,000 but I don't recognize him. 425 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:01,567 He lives a completely different life, it feels like now. 426 00:20:01,867 --> 00:20:03,166 So do I. 427 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,166 I didn't -- I never saw this coming 428 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,567 in a million years, right? 429 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,700 Like, when the family fell apart, I was really -- 430 00:20:09,667 --> 00:20:11,066 I mourned more the loss of the ideal of what 431 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:13,200 we were trying to do, right? -I understand that. 432 00:20:13,967 --> 00:20:14,867 Like, I just, we had that ideal, 433 00:20:15,567 --> 00:20:16,200 like, when we all got together, 434 00:20:17,333 --> 00:20:17,767 and we were gonna raise the kids, and thank goodness 435 00:20:18,867 --> 00:20:20,266 the kids are all still pretty much they're siblings, 436 00:20:20,767 --> 00:20:22,066 really, you know? 437 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:24,367 And that was one of the biggest things that we did accomplish. 438 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:25,900 We had this idea, this whole ideal, right, 439 00:20:26,467 --> 00:20:27,200 of how it was gonna be. 440 00:20:28,467 --> 00:20:31,266 Like, I think when I finally left Kody, I thought 441 00:20:32,367 --> 00:20:33,667 about the family so much more than our relationship 442 00:20:34,333 --> 00:20:36,100 for many, many, many years. 443 00:20:37,166 --> 00:20:38,500 I think he and I especially really held that ideal 444 00:20:39,767 --> 00:20:42,500 of the family, like this family unit thing that would work out. 445 00:20:43,633 --> 00:20:45,000 And I think maybe I lost track of our relationship and 446 00:20:45,867 --> 00:20:46,467 it might have been detrimental, really. 447 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:47,900 I probably should have been focused a little bit more 448 00:20:48,934 --> 00:20:49,967 on our relationship and not so much the family. 449 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:53,266 Well, aren't you glad that I was angry? 450 00:20:54,033 --> 00:20:55,066 -Let me tell you why, OK? -Well. 451 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:56,767 It's a compliment to you. 452 00:20:57,433 --> 00:20:58,266 If I'd have been apathetic, 453 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:01,567 it would've meant you weren't important. 454 00:21:01,867 --> 00:21:02,667 Yeah. 455 00:21:03,367 --> 00:21:04,367 And my anger and my bitterness 456 00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:06,200 and my, "I didn't ever love her," 457 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,100 that was all from attachment. 458 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,166 Yeah. 459 00:21:11,767 --> 00:21:14,066 We used to be lovers. 460 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:17,867 And we used to really like, I think we liked, 461 00:21:18,433 --> 00:21:20,100 being around each other. 462 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,867 And I'm in a space now with this apology 463 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,667 where I'm not looking back at my past 464 00:21:26,667 --> 00:21:28,967 and going, "I wanna burn that to the ground." 465 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:31,100 Instead, I'm looking back at my past like, 466 00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:32,367 "That was really cool. 467 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:34,266 We were part of something special." 468 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:41,367 I think the meanest thing that I did 469 00:21:42,467 --> 00:21:43,567 was I said, "I didn't love you." 470 00:21:46,166 --> 00:21:47,200 That wasn't true. 471 00:21:48,467 --> 00:21:51,166 That was a lie from the perspective of pain. 472 00:21:52,967 --> 00:21:54,600 I knew. I knew it. 473 00:21:55,367 --> 00:21:56,266 I knew that you loved me. I did. 474 00:21:57,233 --> 00:21:59,000 Like, I know that we had a great relationship. 475 00:22:02,367 --> 00:22:03,567 And I didn't understand. 476 00:22:04,367 --> 00:22:05,166 Like, I was like, "OK, whatever." 477 00:22:05,767 --> 00:22:06,567 But I knew it. I knew. 478 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:10,867 -Thanks for making that easy. -[both laugh softly] 479 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,000 I knew. 480 00:22:12,834 --> 00:22:13,767 And I -- it was fine. Like, I knew. 481 00:22:15,166 --> 00:22:18,000 'Cause I knew how it was for all those years. 482 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:19,100 -You know what I mean? -Yeah. 483 00:22:20,133 --> 00:22:22,266 But I knew that we... I knew that you loved me. 484 00:22:22,834 --> 00:22:23,400 -[Kody] Yeah. -So... 485 00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:30,500 Yeah, just because I've not had any kind of real emotional 486 00:22:31,467 --> 00:22:34,567 connection with him like this for a long time, 487 00:22:35,533 --> 00:22:36,000 I'm like, "where is this going"? I don't know. 488 00:22:36,567 --> 00:22:37,100 Do you know what I mean? 489 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:43,100 At one point, I thought, "Wow, you're really bringing it on heavy..." 490 00:22:43,967 --> 00:22:44,867 I'm like, "If you're gonna ask for some 491 00:22:45,734 --> 00:22:46,567 sort of reconciliation," I kept thinking, 492 00:22:47,667 --> 00:22:49,667 I -- it wouldn't have made any sense, 493 00:22:50,633 --> 00:22:52,100 but he was just being so intense and so like 494 00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:53,467 trying to connect with me emotionally. 495 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:56,367 And I'm like, I just didn't know why. 496 00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:58,767 Like I didn't -- I just couldn't think of any reason why. 497 00:23:10,166 --> 00:23:11,567 -Return to the family? -[director] To the family. 498 00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:17,100 Uh... 499 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,967 Uh... 500 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,900 I mean, like, what really? 501 00:23:25,767 --> 00:23:27,900 I would be very surprised. 502 00:23:29,066 --> 00:23:30,900 I don't wanna even answer this because I'm just like -- 503 00:23:31,567 --> 00:23:33,100 -[director] OK. -It -- yeah. 504 00:23:33,333 --> 00:23:35,266 ♪♪ 505 00:23:38,567 --> 00:23:40,300 So making me sad right now. 506 00:23:41,767 --> 00:23:44,767 No, because you like just opened this little portal 507 00:23:45,934 --> 00:23:48,000 of hope and I'm just like... I didn't even think of that, 508 00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:49,567 and now I'm just like, "What if"? 509 00:23:50,633 --> 00:23:52,600 And I'm going down that road. I can't -- I can't. 510 00:23:53,467 --> 00:23:54,100 Just, I gotta move away from that 'cause 511 00:23:55,233 --> 00:23:56,400 I'll just, I'll fall apart and I can't be on this set. 512 00:23:57,867 --> 00:23:58,900 OK, OK, I just... 513 00:24:05,867 --> 00:24:07,367 Hope is dangerous sometimes. 514 00:24:18,367 --> 00:24:20,367 [gentle music playing] 515 00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:28,066 This is the new office, and I like it. 516 00:24:29,233 --> 00:24:32,100 Amber and I have something we need to discuss with Jenn. 517 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:35,967 It's going to be very uncomfortable for Jenn, 518 00:24:36,834 --> 00:24:38,266 but sometimes that's what friends do, 519 00:24:38,967 --> 00:24:40,000 is make friends uncomfortable. 520 00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:41,000 Hi. 521 00:24:41,667 --> 00:24:42,100 -How you doing? -[Jenn] Hi. 522 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:44,100 I'm great. 523 00:24:44,867 --> 00:24:46,000 -[Meri] Good. -How are you guys? 524 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:47,300 -Better than you. -Shipper. 525 00:24:48,867 --> 00:24:50,467 -We're peachy. -"Better than you." 526 00:24:51,767 --> 00:24:54,266 So Jenn's husband has been fighting cancer 527 00:24:54,834 --> 00:24:55,867 for a couple of years. 528 00:24:56,767 --> 00:24:59,367 But this year, it's been definitely more 529 00:25:00,633 --> 00:25:03,567 intense because he's gotten into, like, all the radiation 530 00:25:04,133 --> 00:25:05,667 and all the surgeries. 531 00:25:06,767 --> 00:25:08,467 And now he's moving into another treatment that's gonna 532 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,266 help the recovery of his leg. 533 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,367 And, you know, so there's a lot that has been going on. 534 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,667 So we wanted to give you an update, though, of what 535 00:25:19,533 --> 00:25:20,600 we're going to do for the fundraiser. 536 00:25:21,166 --> 00:25:21,800 [Amber] We have a plan. 537 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,567 We are so excited about this, Jenn. 538 00:25:26,033 --> 00:25:27,367 Thank you, guys. 539 00:25:28,066 --> 00:25:29,000 Amber and I have decided that 540 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:31,700 we are going to do a fundraiser for her, 541 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,400 and that kind of thing makes Jenn very uncomfortable. 542 00:25:36,533 --> 00:25:39,767 Accepting help and being in a place where she needs help, 543 00:25:40,834 --> 00:25:42,100 she doesn't feel like she needs it, but, you know, 544 00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:43,266 this is what we can do. 545 00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:45,166 You know, we can't do anything about the cancer, 546 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,200 but we can help alleviate the financial burden. 547 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,767 So we'll do a bike ride. 548 00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:52,066 We'll just do a loop around town. 549 00:25:52,867 --> 00:25:54,900 -OK. -But we are putting out there 550 00:25:55,533 --> 00:25:56,300 that people can rent bikes 551 00:25:56,834 --> 00:25:57,667 from your shop. -OK. 552 00:25:58,734 --> 00:25:59,767 So that's another way they can support you, is... 553 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:01,567 -OK. -...they come and rent 554 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 bikes and stuff. 555 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:04,800 Hopefully that will bring people to your shop. 556 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,300 -They can see what you guys offer there too. -Love that. 557 00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:08,500 So that'll be good. 558 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,367 And then we'll do a breakfast out here. 559 00:26:12,133 --> 00:26:13,567 -[Jenn] OK. -On the front lawn. 560 00:26:14,266 --> 00:26:15,700 [soft, hopeful music playing] 561 00:26:16,667 --> 00:26:17,767 As we've been planning this event, you know, 562 00:26:18,567 --> 00:26:18,867 I've been telling people about it. 563 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,367 I texted all my sisters, told them about it. 564 00:26:22,567 --> 00:26:24,567 I also mentioned it to Ron, and he's gonna be coming down 565 00:26:24,967 --> 00:26:25,767 for it, so. 566 00:26:26,333 --> 00:26:28,000 -Hello. -[Meri laughs] 567 00:26:29,033 --> 00:26:30,500 -So, how's it going? -[Meri] Good. 568 00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:31,667 -Yeah? -Good so far. 569 00:26:32,667 --> 00:26:34,467 -Have you done this before? -Never in my life. 570 00:26:35,467 --> 00:26:38,300 I met Ron months ago at the speed dating event. 571 00:26:39,433 --> 00:26:41,266 So ever since then, he and I have just stayed in touch. 572 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:43,667 We've hung out, we've... 573 00:26:44,667 --> 00:26:46,266 just become friends, and we're just having fun 574 00:26:46,934 --> 00:26:47,367 getting to know each other. 575 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,200 This will actually be the first time that Ron is in Parowan 576 00:26:54,834 --> 00:26:56,867 to see me and in my space, 577 00:26:57,633 --> 00:26:58,300 and I'm kind of excited about it. 578 00:26:58,867 --> 00:26:59,400 It'll be kind of cool. 579 00:27:03,767 --> 00:27:04,767 You OK with this? 580 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,500 You know, like, you are so loved. 581 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:13,967 I [bleep] hate this for you. 582 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,200 Thank you. Sorry. 583 00:27:19,567 --> 00:27:20,900 [Meri] Your glasses, they're in the way. 584 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:26,100 She's very uncomfortable with it. 585 00:27:26,934 --> 00:27:29,066 She doesn't love this. You know what? 586 00:27:30,266 --> 00:27:31,000 Maybe the lesson that you're gonna take out of this, Jenn, 587 00:27:32,033 --> 00:27:35,600 is to accept support. You give it all the time. 588 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Now it's your turn to learn how to accept it. 589 00:27:42,266 --> 00:27:44,200 [melancholic music playing] 590 00:27:52,367 --> 00:27:54,767 OK, so I've been a bastard for about three years about 591 00:27:55,667 --> 00:27:57,867 this whole breakup, four years, all right? 592 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,266 There's some mistakes I made in plural marriage specifically. 593 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,266 I don't know that she was expecting... 594 00:28:05,233 --> 00:28:06,166 I didn't tell her I was coming to apologize. 595 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:09,867 What I offered her was an olive branch, and that was it. 596 00:28:11,133 --> 00:28:13,200 And so, "Well, an olive branch, well, that's a symbol of peace. 597 00:28:14,033 --> 00:28:16,200 Let's see what he's got," you know? 598 00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:18,567 When you and I got married, I remember 599 00:28:19,567 --> 00:28:21,567 this affection that we shared. 600 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,567 Oof, and this really made me question plural marriage 601 00:28:26,967 --> 00:28:27,667 pretty hard. 602 00:28:28,867 --> 00:28:32,667 I wish I would have seen the need for you and I 603 00:28:33,367 --> 00:28:35,867 to protect our special place. 604 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,767 If I would have understood that, 605 00:28:43,066 --> 00:28:45,166 I think it would have been a lot safer for you. 606 00:28:46,633 --> 00:28:53,266 I feel like I put you in harm's way and that it didn't step up 607 00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:54,367 to protect you. 608 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,867 Wow. Thank you. 609 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,166 I, yeah. 610 00:29:02,867 --> 00:29:04,600 When Janelle and I got married, I didn't feel like 611 00:29:05,567 --> 00:29:07,700 we had a lot of room, space with each other. 612 00:29:09,467 --> 00:29:11,767 We didn't know each other that well when we got married. 613 00:29:13,033 --> 00:29:14,767 We weren't good communicators, but we started out 614 00:29:15,266 --> 00:29:15,867 with a tenderness. 615 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,400 We started out with a sweetness. 616 00:29:23,367 --> 00:29:27,000 And for that, and the fact that I didn't protect, like... 617 00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:29,667 We didn't know. We didn't have no idea. 618 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,367 There was no book or anybody advising us. 619 00:29:32,934 --> 00:29:33,600 [Kody] No, there wasn't. 620 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,567 But my mistake in just not being brave enough, man enough, 621 00:29:40,734 --> 00:29:43,667 strong enough, 'cause I know you didn't feel safe in that 622 00:29:44,333 --> 00:29:44,800 space and you were probably 623 00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,500 thinking to yourself a lot, "I made a huge mistake 624 00:29:49,033 --> 00:29:50,066 marrying this guy." 625 00:29:52,266 --> 00:29:53,867 There were some things that happened through the years 626 00:29:55,166 --> 00:29:56,600 that I kind of, well, there were things that happened, especially 627 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,500 that first year or two, that I kinda wish he would have... 628 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,467 stood up for me as much as he maybe 629 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,367 um... 630 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,000 By default sort of took the other position, you know. 631 00:30:10,066 --> 00:30:12,567 Meri and I have very different personalities. 632 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,667 We just clash. 633 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,767 Like, I don't -- we would never be friends, right? 634 00:30:17,734 --> 00:30:19,500 I never would. We just are so very different. 635 00:30:20,533 --> 00:30:22,400 So add that to the fact that there was a lot of... 636 00:30:23,967 --> 00:30:26,166 Of jealousy and insecurity and stuff 637 00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:27,800 that we were working through. 638 00:30:28,633 --> 00:30:30,400 And it just was not, it was not good. 639 00:30:31,767 --> 00:30:33,166 I have an experience... 640 00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:35,400 Um. 641 00:30:36,367 --> 00:30:37,500 Where I was going off to the mountain to log 642 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:42,200 and you were sobbing and you were saying, "Do you love me? 643 00:30:42,934 --> 00:30:44,100 Do you love me? Do you love me?" 644 00:30:45,433 --> 00:30:48,500 I just didn't realize that you weren't feeling safe. 645 00:30:49,767 --> 00:30:52,367 I've thought about that scene in my mind, that scenario where 646 00:30:53,567 --> 00:30:56,467 you were there, and I just felt ashamed because you deserved 647 00:30:57,567 --> 00:30:59,667 to feel safe in that relationship, and I failed that. 648 00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,367 So I was pregnant with Logan, and he was on the road. 649 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,266 He was a route sales guy. 650 00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:08,367 And so his time at home was very, like, there was 651 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,467 a lot of... his time at home was limited. 652 00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:16,100 And I think he was trying so hard to, like, be a family that 653 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,166 I think we sort of, again, lost track of who we were 654 00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:20,567 as just a couple. 655 00:31:22,367 --> 00:31:24,166 Yeah, I mean, I was obviously the first plural wife, 656 00:31:25,033 --> 00:31:27,066 so there's a lot that comes with that. 657 00:31:28,133 --> 00:31:29,600 And I think over the years, I just sort of learned 658 00:31:30,166 --> 00:31:30,767 to just keep the peace. 659 00:31:31,734 --> 00:31:33,367 And I lost a lot of my identity, like I did. 660 00:31:34,633 --> 00:31:36,367 I think I had to sort of emotionally close down 661 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:38,700 to survive in those early years. 662 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,667 And I think we just never got that back. 663 00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:43,867 So there's been some healing for me for him to say 664 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:46,367 those things about those early years, which were really, 665 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000 really, really not pretty. 666 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,166 The... 667 00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:57,767 well, I think the experience was much harder 668 00:31:58,567 --> 00:31:59,567 than you thought it was going to be. 669 00:32:00,567 --> 00:32:02,100 Yeah, I think I went in pretty idealistic. 670 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,500 Yeah, and if I, once again, if I would have protected you, 671 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,300 if I would have made you safe in that space, if you would 672 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,467 have felt like I had your back. 673 00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:12,400 Yeah, yeah. Our relationship -- 674 00:32:12,967 --> 00:32:13,467 Yeah, we might have not. 675 00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:14,767 [Kody] It would have made a lot of difference. 676 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,367 I have struggled as much as we did in those early years, 677 00:32:17,934 --> 00:32:18,467 you know what I mean? 678 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,467 And I always, and that's an ache in my heart 679 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:22,400 that I have felt four or five years. 680 00:32:27,467 --> 00:32:31,567 [Janelle] We always had a really good relationship as far as, 681 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,367 like, being able to talk to each other. 682 00:32:34,567 --> 00:32:36,266 I think we still do care for each other. 683 00:32:36,967 --> 00:32:37,467 I mean, like, how can you not? 684 00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:40,367 I spent so many years married to him. 685 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,600 I just think there is always a level of connection when 686 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,100 you spend that much time married. 687 00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:49,266 ♪♪ 688 00:32:52,367 --> 00:32:54,867 If Kody started to be mean or aggressive towards me 689 00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:56,600 or anything like that, David, oh my God, 690 00:32:57,133 --> 00:32:58,166 he'd become unglued. 691 00:32:59,066 --> 00:33:00,100 [David] He wants to have a relationship. 692 00:33:01,033 --> 00:33:02,567 I just don't think he knows quite how to. 693 00:33:03,734 --> 00:33:04,500 If you don't start having a relationship with your kids 694 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,700 now, down the road, when you need them, 695 00:33:07,367 --> 00:33:08,000 they're not gonna be there. 696 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000 [gentle music playing] 697 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,266 Do you think Kody wants to meet up to talk crap on you? 698 00:33:23,367 --> 00:33:25,467 No, he said that he wants to extend an olive branch. 699 00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:29,767 I just don't trust that. I just don't trust him. 700 00:33:30,934 --> 00:33:31,567 No, I haven't told Kody whether or not I'm gonna meet up 701 00:33:32,433 --> 00:33:34,100 with him at all. I'm not 100% going yet. 702 00:33:35,467 --> 00:33:37,100 So why? Why would I do that? 703 00:33:38,333 --> 00:33:40,100 I'm not gonna trust anything that comes out of his mouth so. 704 00:33:41,467 --> 00:33:43,467 He's just gonna be mean. He's just mean. 705 00:33:44,667 --> 00:33:46,000 It's years of him being mean and putting me down and making 706 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:47,200 me feel less than. 707 00:33:47,767 --> 00:33:48,200 You know, I'm nauseous. 708 00:33:49,066 --> 00:33:49,266 I'm already nauseous thinking about it. 709 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:50,800 My stomach's already upset thinking about it. 710 00:33:52,066 --> 00:33:54,567 But you have done so much in your life in the last, 711 00:33:55,233 --> 00:33:56,467 what, three years? -Mm-hmm. 712 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:58,700 -Like where you're at now. -Yes, yes. 713 00:33:59,467 --> 00:34:00,100 You're a very independent woman. 714 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,367 -[Christine] Yes. -I've seen it in you. 715 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,000 I watch what you can do. 716 00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:06,400 And things will be better, because it's you and I there. 717 00:34:07,066 --> 00:34:08,567 -OK. -And it will be fine. 718 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:10,900 I promise you. 719 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,467 David's always been pushing for more communication. 720 00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:18,567 And he's like, "What do you want more than anything"? 721 00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:20,367 I'm like, "Aw, for my kids to have 722 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:21,900 a better relationship with their dad." 723 00:34:23,166 --> 00:34:25,500 And he goes, "OK, then you have to show them how to have a good 724 00:34:26,066 --> 00:34:26,767 relationship with him." 725 00:34:28,266 --> 00:34:30,567 See, he's right with this too. It just sucks. 726 00:34:31,867 --> 00:34:34,567 You didn't marry him because he was a terrible guy. 727 00:34:35,433 --> 00:34:36,600 No, he was great. He was a great guy. 728 00:34:37,433 --> 00:34:38,500 But times change, and things change. 729 00:34:38,934 --> 00:34:39,567 People change. 730 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,100 And people start going separate ways. 731 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,200 Yeah. 732 00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:44,100 Everybody wants to keep living in the past. 733 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:45,567 -No. -And the past will never make 734 00:34:46,133 --> 00:34:47,200 you go to the future. 735 00:34:48,367 --> 00:34:49,166 So I need to think about it. This isn't an olive branch. 736 00:34:50,266 --> 00:34:51,266 -This is a peace talk. -[David] That's a peace talk. 737 00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:53,266 This is not an olive branch from him. 738 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:54,467 Let's just have it be a peace talk. 739 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,166 Let's just move on. 740 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,166 It doesn't matter. Things were said. 741 00:34:59,100 --> 00:34:59,467 -[David] Yeah. -They're just gonna move on, 742 00:35:00,633 --> 00:35:01,700 and what can we do to make this better for our kids? 743 00:35:02,867 --> 00:35:03,567 And for us to be in the same room, too, because if we're 744 00:35:04,767 --> 00:35:07,000 gonna all do family reunions like I wanted and get together 745 00:35:07,834 --> 00:35:09,200 like I wanted, this needs to happen. 746 00:35:10,133 --> 00:35:11,567 But I'm not gonna be in that mosh pit, OK? 747 00:35:12,266 --> 00:35:12,667 Kody could be in that mosh pit. 748 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,166 You don't wanna be in the dancing mosh pit? 749 00:35:14,867 --> 00:35:16,200 No. I'll just tackle people. 750 00:35:16,934 --> 00:35:17,467 -[Christine] OK. -[David laughs] 751 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:18,667 [Christine] OK. 752 00:35:19,166 --> 00:35:19,767 That sounds good. 753 00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:23,467 I've decided to leave. I'm gonna leave Kody. 754 00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:29,066 When I first was leaving Kody, I remember, like, there was 755 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:31,600 a couple of conversations where I'd be like, "Look, I'm sure 756 00:35:32,567 --> 00:35:34,166 "that we could all get together at some point, 757 00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:36,900 "you know, and have a family reunion, you know, once a year 758 00:35:37,967 --> 00:35:38,600 or something like that." And everyone kind of looked 759 00:35:39,166 --> 00:35:39,700 at me like I was a fool. 760 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,700 But getting the kids together would be an awesome thing. 761 00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:45,700 I don't need to see the adults. 762 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,600 But the kids need to get together for sure. 763 00:35:50,967 --> 00:35:53,967 If you wanna have a reunion family, and I'm all for it, 764 00:35:55,233 --> 00:35:58,667 I have zero, I'm not jealous, I'm not insecure about them all 765 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,367 having to get together, 'cause my main focus on is 766 00:36:02,433 --> 00:36:04,266 the kids having a good relationship with everybody. 767 00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:05,867 If you don't start having a relationship 768 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,300 with your kids now, 769 00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:08,567 down the road when you need them, 770 00:36:09,233 --> 00:36:10,000 they're not gonna be there. 771 00:36:11,367 --> 00:36:13,100 I tell you, don't let people walk all over you. 772 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,667 -[Christine] No, I won't. -[David] So there you go. 773 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,166 [Christine] I won't. 774 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:20,400 No, it's not gonna be like it was before. 775 00:36:21,533 --> 00:36:22,200 I mean, I wouldn't allow it. I wouldn't put up with it. 776 00:36:23,133 --> 00:36:25,000 And David, oh, my God, he'd become unglued. 777 00:36:26,066 --> 00:36:27,567 If Kody started to be mean or aggressive towards me 778 00:36:28,567 --> 00:36:30,600 or anything like that, no. No, God, David, no, 779 00:36:31,567 --> 00:36:33,567 he wouldn't allow that. But I wouldn't either. 780 00:36:34,433 --> 00:36:35,900 [David] He wants to have a relationship. 781 00:36:36,834 --> 00:36:38,467 I just don't think he knows quite how to. 782 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,000 No, I don't need to talk about anything with Kody. 783 00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:42,266 I would love to see him have 784 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:44,266 a better relationship with his kids. 785 00:36:45,433 --> 00:36:47,567 If he's extending an olive branch here, we'll really then 786 00:36:48,633 --> 00:36:50,000 have a better relationship with my kids, you know? 787 00:36:50,433 --> 00:36:51,100 Put them first. 788 00:36:52,567 --> 00:36:54,166 -I love you. -[David] Love you too. 789 00:36:54,867 --> 00:36:56,000 [Christine sniffs] Thank you. 790 00:36:58,567 --> 00:37:00,500 [gentle music playing] 791 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,900 [Kody] Do you ever feel like our breakup was 792 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:09,500 just inevitable? 793 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:12,867 By the time it happened, I didn't see 794 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:14,467 that we were ever gonna turn around. 795 00:37:14,734 --> 00:37:16,266 OK. 796 00:37:17,367 --> 00:37:19,066 But, you know, I mean, I was really ready to move on. 797 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,467 So Kody and I, as any relationship does, 798 00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:24,100 has had, like, the ups and downs, 799 00:37:24,934 --> 00:37:25,800 and some of our lows were pretty low, 800 00:37:26,633 --> 00:37:28,166 and we always managed to come back. 801 00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:30,266 -You stay and talk. -[Kody] I'm done listening to you. 802 00:37:30,967 --> 00:37:32,600 -You stay and talk. -Uh, no. 803 00:37:33,633 --> 00:37:35,266 I'm not going to, because you're not listening. 804 00:37:36,333 --> 00:37:37,700 -You're not listening to me. -And I'm not going to. 805 00:37:38,433 --> 00:37:39,100 -OK, so we're done? -Goodbye. 806 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:40,367 [bleep] you. 807 00:37:41,767 --> 00:37:44,166 The last time, I didn't want to reconcile. 808 00:37:45,367 --> 00:37:47,500 I didn't have any desire. The kids were definitely older. 809 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,867 I didn't need the family's financial support as much. 810 00:37:52,834 --> 00:37:54,000 Like, it just, there wasn't a lot of reasons 811 00:37:54,533 --> 00:37:55,166 to work through it. 812 00:37:56,667 --> 00:37:58,400 I feel like we've needed an olive branch, 813 00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:00,066 the entire family. 814 00:38:01,233 --> 00:38:03,400 And Janelle, you get the high honor of being the person 815 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,300 I felt the safest with to start offering that olive branch. 816 00:38:08,567 --> 00:38:11,100 Oh, we had a good, we had a great. 817 00:38:11,667 --> 00:38:12,667 Like, I -- Like, I -- 818 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:14,667 I'm -- I'm grateful for what we had. 819 00:38:15,367 --> 00:38:15,800 -[Kody] Yeah. -I really am. 820 00:38:17,867 --> 00:38:18,767 -Thank you. -[Janelle] Yeah. 821 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,367 Thank you for being cool about this. 822 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:22,600 -I'm glad you came. -[Kody] Make it easy. 823 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,100 Like, it was a great relationship. 824 00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:28,667 I still care about him, and I think he still cares 825 00:38:29,233 --> 00:38:30,467 about me, but I don't. 826 00:38:31,367 --> 00:38:32,066 He's not in my life, and I'm not gonna be 827 00:38:33,066 --> 00:38:36,066 in his life, and... there's nothing there now. 828 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,200 I wish he had a better relationship with the children, 829 00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:40,100 because then, you know, then there would be a little 830 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,100 bit more cohesion for the family, but I don't know. 831 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,867 That's not, that's a long ways away, I suspect. 832 00:38:47,567 --> 00:38:48,867 I was thinking, though, um... 833 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,867 Garrison can qualify, I think, for a military headstone, 834 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,200 and I think he would love that, 835 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,367 'cause the military was a big part of his, like, 836 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,967 what he loved, right? -OK, yeah, he'd liked 'em. 837 00:39:00,834 --> 00:39:01,467 So it's a matter of filing paperwork? 838 00:39:02,433 --> 00:39:03,367 [Janelle] Yeah, and I've got half of it done. 839 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,266 I mean, I guess if you wanted to come up and meet me there, 840 00:39:05,767 --> 00:39:06,667 we could do that. 841 00:39:07,567 --> 00:39:08,700 So would it just be you and I going there 842 00:39:09,433 --> 00:39:09,767 to place the headstone? -I'm OK. 843 00:39:10,567 --> 00:39:11,000 It doesn't have to be a big deal. 844 00:39:11,934 --> 00:39:13,467 Yeah, let's do it. We'll both go up there. 845 00:39:14,266 --> 00:39:14,567 [Janelle] OK. I mean, that's fine. 846 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:16,667 Like, we can just meet there or something. 847 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:18,000 -You know what I mean? -[Kody] Yeah. 848 00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:19,266 All right. 849 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:23,467 Um, you know, I didn't know what to expect coming. 850 00:39:24,233 --> 00:39:24,800 I'm grateful for the experience, 851 00:39:25,433 --> 00:39:26,100 and I'm grateful he came. 852 00:39:27,133 --> 00:39:28,166 It's been healing to hear some of those things. 853 00:39:29,667 --> 00:39:31,100 That's a great idea. Thanks for meeting with me. 854 00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:32,166 I really appreciate it. 855 00:39:34,767 --> 00:39:37,667 I think it went very well. Janelle was very gracious. 856 00:39:38,667 --> 00:39:41,600 She was very kind. I felt like she made it easy 857 00:39:43,166 --> 00:39:45,667 to do this apology. 858 00:39:46,734 --> 00:39:49,367 Like, this is a pilgrimage, and I have planned it 859 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,767 for so long, and I've needed this for four years. 860 00:39:55,667 --> 00:39:58,667 Boy, there's a lot of pressure. It's windy. 861 00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,367 The door wasn't easy to open. So... 862 00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:02,667 All right. Anyway, thank you. 863 00:40:03,767 --> 00:40:04,367 Thanks for meeting with me. I really appreciate it. 864 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,400 -We'll see you. -[Janelle] All right. 865 00:40:06,367 --> 00:40:06,567 See you later. All right. 866 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,667 Yeah, I've got two more wives to visit with. 867 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,767 I get a little bit nervous thinking that it could go 868 00:40:19,333 --> 00:40:20,000 really, really wrong. 869 00:40:23,367 --> 00:40:24,967 This is my journey. 870 00:40:25,834 --> 00:40:26,867 This is something I am required to do. 871 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,667 My hope is for them to receive it well. 872 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:33,100 And if they don't, then... 873 00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:36,600 we'll go back to God and say, "What next? 874 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,100 Do I do it again"? 875 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,467 I don't know. 876 00:40:41,467 --> 00:40:43,400 [melancholic music playing] 877 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,800 [Kody] Next time on "Sister Wives," 878 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,300 Is there any part of you that would ever go back to Kody? 879 00:40:53,166 --> 00:40:56,600 I think at some point I thought, what if he, like, 880 00:40:57,266 --> 00:40:58,266 what if we worked this out? 881 00:41:01,767 --> 00:41:05,667 [Meri] This is the first time that Ron's been down here to Parowan 882 00:41:06,767 --> 00:41:12,000 and meeting all my friends. How is he going to act? 883 00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:14,567 It's weird 'cause we haven't really had a conversation 884 00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:16,500 since I left. Not really. 885 00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:21,667 Kody reached out to me and wanted to chat. 886 00:41:22,433 --> 00:41:24,367 I apologize. Here's the huge one, 887 00:41:26,166 --> 00:41:27,166 for saying I didn't love you.