PREVIOUSLY ON "SISTER WIVES"...
WE'RE GONNA BE VISITING WITH ANOTHER PLURAL FAMILY.
WE'VE KNOWN THEM FOR YEARS.
-HEY, THERE! -OH, MY GOSH, HI.
YOU KNOW, THE DARGERS LIVE UNDER ONE ROOF.
THEY JUST HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
I UNDERSTAND KODY'S WANTING EVERYONE TOGETHER,
'CAUSE I THINK THE CONS SEEM PETTY TO ME.
I HATE THIS CONVERSATION.
DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP
WITH YOUR SISTER-WIFE?
MAYBE THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO ARE LIKE,
"LOOK, I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE."
OUR CHURCH DOES NOT BELIEVE
THAT SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS ARE APPROPRIATE...
--WHAT?!WHAT?! -WHAT?! -WHAT?!
...AND WE ACCEPT MARIAH
AND HER CHOOSING TO MARRY AUDREY.
I THINK OUR YOUNGER CHILDREN DON'T EVEN MAKE THE DISTINCTION.
THEY'RE IN LOVE, SO THEY'RE GONNA GET MARRIED.
MERI, IT'S THIS SIMPLE.
I SUGGESTED A PLACE FOR YOU.
UH-HUH.
YOU SUGGESTED THAT YOU WEREN'T INTO THAT.
SO SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, "WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE."
I REALLY HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME
TRYING TO, LIKE, FIGURE OUT
WHAT WOULD BE MY ULTIMATE SPOT ON THAT PROPERTY.
YOU WANTED TO BE IN THE TREES, MERI.
AND THEN, YOU TOLD US
THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES ANYMORE.
THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM HERE UNTIL MERI SAID,
"I DON'T WANT THAT, AND I DON'T WANT THIS,
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT."
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NEED THIS CONVERSATION TODAY
TO NOT BE AN ATTACK ON ME.
IT'S NOT.
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SO, THE LAST TIME THAT MARIAH AND AUDREY
WERE HERE IN FLAGSTAFF
WAS WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE ENGAGED,
AND THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
IT'S BEEN WAY TOO LONG.
WE'RE HERE VISITING FAMILY.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE...
-A HOT MINUTE. -IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN MOST OF THE FAMILY IN A WHILE,
AND WE'RE GONNA JUST TALK TO 'EM ABOUT SOME PLANS --
SOME CHANGES TO OUR PLANS, I GUESS...
YEP....THAT WE'VE BEEN MADE.
HELLO!
KODY AND JANELLE ARE OUT OF TOWN,
SO THEY WON'T GET IN ON THIS LITTLE TIDBIT OF INFORMATION.
WE'LL HAVE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM LATER.
HEY!
HI! -HI! -HI! HI!
HELLO, SISTERS!
HEY!
OH, MY GOSH.
AUDREY AND MARIAH ARE IN TOWN, FINALLY!
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.
I'M SO EXCITED.
IT'S SO -- EASY!
MARIAH AND AUDREY LIVE IN CHICAGO,
SO THEY JUST LIVE TOO FAR AWAY FOR US
TO GO VISIT THEM ALL THE TIME.
IT'S JUST SAD.
I MISSED YOU GUYS.
WE MISSED YOU, TOO. IT'S BEEN TOO LONG.
IT HAS BEEN TOO LONG.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE KIDS FOR HOW LONG?
IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR.
OH, MY GOD. YEAH.
BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY DECIDED TO MOVE BACK TO UTAH.
ISN'T THIS THE MOST EXCITING THING
YOU'VE EVER HEARD IN YOUR WHOLE LIFE?
YEAH. IT'S AWESOME!
I MEAN, IT IS FOR ME!
HONESTLY, THAT'S THE BEST NEWS EVER.
NOW IF ONLY WE COULD GET TO UTAH.
OH, MY GOSH. I DID NOT GO THERE.
I AM, OF COURSE, KIDDING.
OF COURSE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE BACK BECAUSE WE MISS BEING AROUND YOU GUYS, AND...
REALLY? SO, TO UTAH.
...AND A YEAR WITHOUT MY SIBLINGS IS WAY TOO LONG.
YEAH.
AND I'M SORRY THAT I DID THAT.
UTAH IS A PLACE THAT THEY LOVE.
AUDREY GREW UP IN UTAH, AS WELL,
SO UTAH IS JUST HOME FOR THEM.
REALLY? WHAT PART? ARE YOU GOING BACK TO SALT LAKE?
WE'LL GO BACK TO SALT LAKE.
REALLY? OKAY.
WE'LL GO BACK TO SALT LAKE.
WE LOVE CHICAGO, BUT IT'S TIME.
IT'S TIME FOR US TO BE HOME, I THINK.
YEAH, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE REALLY STARTING
TO THINK ABOUT WHAT STARTING A FAMILY LOOKS LIKE FOR US.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE BE CLOSE TO FAMILY
AND PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO US.
EVENTUALLY, YES, WE WILL START A FAMILY.
YEAH. DON'T WORRY.
WE'RE GONNA GET MARRIED FIRST.
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA DO IT? WHEN ARE YOU GONNA BE MOVING?
SO, I'M GONNA FINISH THE SEMESTER,
AND THEN I WILL TRANSFER MY SOCIAL WORK DEGREE TO THE U.
SO THIS IS --
-SO, LIKE THIS SUMMER. -THIS SUMMER!
LIKE, IN SIX MONTHS.
OKAY, SO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING MARRIED
IN CHICAGO EITHER ANYMORE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA GET MARRIED IN CHICAGO ANYMORE.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA GET MARRIED IN SALT LAKE.
WELL, NO WONDER YOU NEVER SAID A LOCATION!
YOU NEVER SAID A LOCATION OR ANYTHING!
I'M SO EXCITED TO HELP THEM START PLANNING THE WEDDING.
NO, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SET A LOCATION YET,
SO IT'S KIND OF PERFECT.
WELL, WE WERE TALKING TO OUR FRIENDS, AND THEY WERE LIKE,
"YOU GUYS LOVE THE MOUNTAINS SO MUCH.
WHY AREN'T YOU GETTING MARRIED IN THE MOUNTAINS?"
AND WE WERE LIKE, "THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WHY AREN'T WE GETTING MARRIED IN THE MOUNTAINS?"
WE'LL PROBABLY BE GETTING MARRIED
IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, AT THIS POINT.
HOW ARE YOU GUYS FEELING ABOUT IT?
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT?
WE FEEL SO MUCH PEACE ABOUT IT, 'CAUSE WE --
WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO DO,
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO BUSY IN CHICAGO,
AND WE'VE BEEN MISSING YOU GUYS.
WE'VE BEEN MISSING UTAH.
WE'VE BEEN MISSING --
AND WE HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES.
WE'VE BEEN MISSING GRANDMA.
SO, YOU GUYS ARE MOVING BACK 'CAUSE YOU MISS PEOPLE?
-IT'S PEOPLE, MOSTLY? -YEAH.
I BROUGHT IT UP TO AUDREY.
I MEAN, SHE'S BEEN KIND OF STRUGGLING
WITH BEING THERE FOR A BIT,
AND I BROUGHT IT UP TO HER A FEW WEEKS AGO.
I MEAN, I COULD SEE THAT IT WAS HARD FOR AUDREY
TO LIVE IN CHICAGO.
I COULD TELL IT WAS HARD FOR HER.
I MEAN, I...
I THINK WHAT REALLY GOT ME WAS OVER CHRISTMAS.
I WAS JUST LIKE, "I HAVEN'T BEEN WITH MY FAMILY
FOR TWO CHRISTMASES."
AND THEN I REALIZED, "OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN MY SIBLINGS
FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR."
IT'S LIKE, "WE NEED TO BE AROUND THEM" --
AND ESPECIALLY THESE TWO.
LIKE, I MEAN, COME ON.
IT'S TRUE. IT'S TRUE.
MARIAH'S GOT A REALLY COOL BOND WITH ALL OF HER SIBLINGS.
MARIAH'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS EMBRACED
ALL OF THE KIDS WITH EXTREME ENTHUSIASM.
LIKE, SHE LOVES ALL OF HER SIBLINGS -- LOVES THEM --
AND MAKES ALL OF THEM FEEL SPECIAL,
AND THEY ALL KNOW THEY ARE LOVED BY MARIAH.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE COMMON IN PLURAL FAMILIES
THAT YOU HAVE THE OLDER SIBLINGS
WHO, YOU KNOW, MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE
AND GO ON WITH THEIR LIVES
WHILE THE YOUNGER KIDS ARE STILL GROWING UP,
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MARIAH IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
I'M ONE OF THE OLDER KIDS IN MY FAMILY,
AND WHEN I MOVED OUT, THE KIDS WERE YOUNGER.
LIKE, MY SIBLINGS FROM MY OTHER MOM WERE WAY YOUNGER.
I HAVE A SIBLING FROM MY OTHER MOM
THAT'S ASPYN'S AGE, FOR GOODNESS SAKES.
I DON'T KNOW MY YOUNGER SIBLINGS AS WELL
UNTIL WE MOVED OUT,
AND EVEN NOW, I DON'T KNOW THEM THAT WELL.
I WISH I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD
HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO MAINTAIN A RELATIONSHIP
WITH MY YOUNGER SIBLINGS AFTER I MOVED OUT.
I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE,
I GOT MARRIED, AND I MOVED OUT,
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD MY YOUNGEST SISTER, DEBRA,
WHO WAS LIKE TWO-AND-A-HALF WHEN I GOT MARRIED.
AND SHE WAS FROM MY MOM, YOU KNOW --
NOT TO MENTION ALL MY OTHER SIBLINGS
THAT WERE NOT FROM MY MOM.
YOU KNOW?
AND I DIDN'T HAVE, REALLY,
A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM...
...UNTIL THEY GOT OLDER.
SO THE FACT THAT SHE REALLY, REALLY WANTS TO BE CLOSER
SO THAT SHE CAN HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THE YOUNGER KIDS, I THINK, IS AWESOME.
I LIVED IN UTAH FROM WHEN I WAS SIX UNTIL WHEN WE LEFT,
AND SO, THAT BIG CHANGE OF --
LIKE, THAT WAS A BIG MOVE FOR ME, EMOTIONALLY.
AND I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN CHICAGO,
AND MY SIBLING --
A COUPLE OF MY SIBLINGS ARE STILL IN SALT LAKE.
I'VE BEEN REALLY STRUGGLING IN CHICAGO.
A LOT OF IT IS, LIKE, FOR MENTAL HEALTH REASONS.
I'VE BEEN WORKING FROM HOME,
AND SO, I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT
AND MEET A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE AND HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS.
AND SO, I FEEL VERY ISOLATED OUT IN CHICAGO
BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS
AND EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW ARE IN SALT LAKE.
'CAUSE CHICAGO'S BEEN WONDERFUL,
AND IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY GREAT CITY.
IT'S JUST NOT THE PLACE FOR ME WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
OUR FRIEND BASE IS THERE,
AND JUST SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
WE HAVE A REALLY BIG NETWORK THERE.
SO, ALL AROUND, IT JUST MAKES.
HOST OF REASONS,
AND THE TIMING WORKED OUT TO BE, YOU KNOW,
IN A FEW MONTHS.
EEE! YAY!
-YAY! -WHOO-HOO!
SO, NOW WE CAN HANG OUT.
KODY'S GONNA BE VERY EXCITED.
HE'S GONNA BE GLAD THAT SHE'S NOT QUITE SO FAR AWAY.
HE LIKES HIS KIDS AROUND.
HIS BIG THING -- HIS WHOLE LIFE...
IS HIS KIDS.
THAT IS WHO HIS LIFE FOCUSES.
WELL, LET'S DO IT. WHAT THE HECK.
ALL RIGHT--GROUP HUG!
COME ON, KIDS, GROUP HUG!
I LIKE THIS.
I LOVE THAT THEY HAD THAT EXPERIENCE
OF LIVING IN CHICAGO,
AND IT'S JUST A FUN AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I EVER WAS ABLE TO DO.
I CAME FROM A DIFFERENT CULTURE
THAN WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE FOR OUR KIDS.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LIKE
THE POLYGAMOUS CULTURE...
...THE CULTURE I GREW UP IN WAS...
"YOU NEED TO GET MARRIED WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG,
AND YOU NEED TO HAVE KIDS,
AND YOU NEED TO BE QUIET ABOUT WHO YOU ARE,
AND YOU NEED TO JUST STAY IN THIS LITTLE BOX."
AND WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE,
"YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO"
FOR OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW?
AND SHE'S DOING IT.
SO, THIS MEANS THIS CHRISTMAS,
YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE HERE AGAIN!
YEAH. YES!
AND THANKSGIVING, MAYBE, TOO!
THEY'RE JUST A GOOD COUPLE.
THEY COMMUNICATE WELL WITH EACH OTHER.
BUT THIS IS, TOO -- IS IT SHOWS ME
HOW THEY'RE IN SYNC WITH EACH OTHER
AND COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER
AND WORKING WITH EACH OTHER.
AND EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, CHICAGO MAY HAVE BEEN BETTER
FOR ONE OF THEM THAN THE OTHER,
THEY'RE JUST WILLING TO GIVE AND TAKE
AND MAKE IT A TRUE PARTNERSHIP.
I MEAN, IN MY MIND,
I THINK MARIAH LIKED IT A LOT MORE THAN AUDREY DID,
BUT THEY WERE STILL WILLING TO DO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY
TO MAKE IT SO THEY WOULD BOTH BE HAPPY,
AND IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE MOVE FOR A COUPLE TO MAKE.
THAT'S THE BEST PART OF THEM MOVING TO SALT LAKE,
IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING TOGETHER,
AND THEY'RE JUST --
THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN HELP THE OTHER PERSON
BE HAPPIER AND LIVE THEIR BEST LIFE IN SALT LAKE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD MOVE TO SALT LAKE NEXT,
OUT OF THE KIDS.
MAYBE...
PSHH, US.
NOPE, JUST NOTHING.
SO, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START BUILDING, THEN?
I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO MAKE A PLAN
ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A COYOTE PASS.
IT'S TIME.
HONESTLY, I'M WORN OUT
AND DISCOURAGED ABOUT BUILDING.
I JUST DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT
OR TALK ABOUT A PLAN.
LET'S TAKE A BREATHER.
I'M HAVING ALL THE ADULTS OVER TODAY.
MY HOUSE IN LAS VEGAS --
I JUST HAVE SOME NEWS TO TELL THEM.
IT'S NOT A BOMB DROP. IT'S NOT BAD.
IT'S GOOD.
IT'S GOOD NEWS.
IT'S GREAT NEWS THAT I'M DROPPING.
OH, MY GOODNESS.
WE WERE CALLED OVER FOR ANOTHER FAMILY MEETING.
THIS HAPPENS ON OCCASION, AND I JUST NEVER KNOW
WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS GONNA BE.
YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.
WHENEVER WE GET TOGETHER, IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
OKAY, I HAVE THE BEST NEWS.
I GOT AN OFFER ON MY HOUSE IN VEGAS.
OH, MY GOSH!
HALLELUJAH!
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE
WHY CHRISTINE'S HOUSE TOOK SO LONG TO SELL.
IT WAS THE FIRST ONE ON THE MARKET,
AND NOW IT'S THE LAST ONE TO SELL.
THAT'S CALLED IRONY, AND IT SUCKS.
OH, MY GOSH!
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TELL US YOU WERE PREGNANT.
OH, NO, THE WOMB IS CLOSED.
DID YOU REALLY THINK THAT?
NO, SHE DIDN'T.
-SHE'S JOKING. -JUST CHECKING.
THE WOMB IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS.
THIS IS SUCH A THROWBACK, 'CAUSE YEARS AND YEARS AGO,
WHENEVER WE HAD THESE, LIKE --
I GOTTA TELL YOU SOMETHING. I HAVE NEWS."
IT WAS ALWAYS,
"WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER BABY."
FOR MANY -- FOR, LIKE, DECADES,
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF OUR THING,
SO I GUESS WE CAN'T LET GO OF THAT HABIT.
YOU KNOW, MADDIE SAID A LONG TIME AGO,
"KODY'S SOUL MATE IS HIS CHILDREN."
SO, THAT IDEA OF HAVING MORE CHILDREN
IS GONNA ALWAYS BE APPEALING TO KODY.
I DON'T THINK SHE WANTS ANYMORE LOVING.
I DON'T THINK KODY WILL EVER BE DONE HAVING CHILDREN,
AND EVERY TIME HE'S LIKE...
"I DON'T KNOW,
I MIGHT HAVE MORE KIDS."
I'M LIKE, "OH MY GOSH, NOT FROM ME!"
YES, CHECK.
GO TO ANOTHER WIFE, BECAUSE, NOPE.
MY WOMB IS CLOSED.
YEAH, I CAN'T BELIEVE...
YEP.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE OFFER?
I ACCEPTED IT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
IT'S A LOT LESS THAN I WANT.
A LOT LESS. LIKE, A LOT LESS.
BUT IT'S CASH,
AND THEY WANT IT IN A WEEK, AND THEY WILL --
WELL, AND THEY'LL TAKE IT AS-IS, WHICH IS HUGE.
I THINK WE TOOK A HIT --
ALL OF EVERY HOUSE WAS, LIKE, WAY LESS THAN WE THOUGHT.
HERE'S THE THING, THOUGH --
THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT HAVING IT...
-DONE. -DONE.
IT'S TIME TO FINALLY SAY GOODBYE TO VEGAS.
I MISS MY HOUSE IN VEGAS LIKE CRAZY,
SO I'M WAITING TILL THIS FEELS MORE LIKE HOME.
I DON'T FEEL QUITE SETTLED.
NO MATTER WHAT HOME YOU LEAVE BEHIND,
THERE IS ALWAYS AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO A HOME.
THE HARDEST WAS ACTUALLY...
THE LEHI HOUSE IN LEHI, UTAH,
WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVED TOGETHER.
MY FIRST TRIP BACK TO UTAH AFTER WE HAD MOVED TO LAS VEGAS
WAS VERY EMOTIONAL.
IT WAS -- IT WAS VERY HARD.
WE WERE GOING BACK, BASICALLY,
TO TAKE OUR DOG DRAKE BACK TO HIS HOME --
BACK TO WHERE HE HAD SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE --
BECAUSE HE WASN'T WELL, AND WE WERE PRETTY SURE
WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO PUT HIM DOWN.
DO YOU NEED A SECOND?
DO YOU NEED A HUG OR SOMETHING?
SO, WE TOOK HIM BACK TO OUR HOME AND LEHI, UTAH...
OH, GEEZ.
AND WE PUT HIM TO SLEEP.
I'M SORRY, GIRLS.
IT WAS THE FIRST TIME...
...THAN I REALLY EVER OWNED THE EMOTIONS
OF THE STRUGGLE WE HAD LEAVING LEHI.
THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE FROM HOME TO HOME --
IT'S SO EMOTIONAL
JUST TO THINK ABOUT ONE HOUSE TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT.
AND HERE WE ARE LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE IN FLAGSTAFF,
BUT IT AIN'T HOME YET.
SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING TO FLAGSTAFF...
TIRED ME OUT SPECIFIC TO...
MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS AND WIVES.
WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE
ABOUT HOW OUR FAMILY SHOULD EXIST
AND HOW WE SHOULD BEHAVE WITH EACH OTHER.
WE'RE NOT THE FAMILY WE USED TO BE.
SO, I HAVEN'T TOLD THE KIDS YET 'CAUSE --
AND THEIR NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE...
"SO, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START BUILDING, THEN?"
WHAT CAN I TELL THE KIDS?
LIKE, CAN WE MAKE A PLAN HERE?
NOW THAT MY HOUSE IS SOLD, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE ALL STILL WANT TO
GET OUT AT THE PROPERTY, BUT I ALSO SEE, YOU KNOW,
WHERE THE EMOTIONAL HEALTH IS OF THE FAMILY,
AND IT'S...
IT'S NOT THE BEST RIGHT NOW.
TRUELY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING,
AND SHE'S LIKE, "I'M EXCITED.
AS SOON AS WE SELL THE HOUSE IN LAS VEGAS,
THEN WE CAN START BUILDING."
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, IS,
WE FIRST OF ALL NEED TO SELL,
AND THEN WE CAN BUILD.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE LOGICAL QUESTION TO ASK NEXT.
WHAT ARE WE THINKING WITH THE PROPERTY,
AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NEXT?
JUST A LITTLE DISCOURAGED.
THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, AND FRANKLY, I DON'T.
I WANT TO AVOID IT.
I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO MAKE A PLAN
ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT COYOTE PASS.
IT'S TIME.
I THINK CHRISTINE, ROBYN, MERI, AND I ARE ALL LIKE,
"OKAY, LET'S GO. LET'S GET THE SURVEYOR.
LET'S GET OUT THERE."
AND I THINK KODY RUNS AROUND WITH THIS THOUSAND YARD STARE.
HE'S SPREAD SO THIN.
HE HAS SO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY,
SO MUCH ON HIS PLATE.
HE'S JUST REACTING, AT THIS POINT,
INSTEAD OF PLANNING.
JUST 'CAUSE THE HOUSES ARE SOLD
DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE GOT MONEY.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT READY TO BUILD, BUT --
WE'RE JUST NOT -- I DON'T KNOW.
KODY IS REALLY GOOD AT THE STARTING PART OF AN IDEA.
PUTS SO MUCH ENERGY INTO THAT
THAT SOMETIMES, HE STARTS GETTING
A LITTLE BIT EXHAUSTED TOWARDS THE END OF IT.
THE EXECUTION, THOUGH, IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE --
A LITTLE BIT WHERE HE GETS LOST.
I CAN BE A FINISHER, YES --
I DO FINISH --
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS I START,
AND THERE'S JUST NEVER THE TIME TO MAKE IT,
TO FINISH IT OUT.
I'M REALLY GOOD AT STARTING PROJECTS.
NOT SO GOOD AT FINISHING,
BECAUSE THEN IT LOSES ITS INTERESTING FACTOR.
I DEFINITELY DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A VISIONARY.
I'M THE WORKER BEE WHO MAKES SOMETHING HAPPEN.
ONCE THE IDEA IS KIND OF FORMULATED,
I'M LIKE, "OKAY, LET'S GO FOR IT."
I THINK I'M A FINISHER.
SO IT'S PROBABLY GOOD THAT I WAS FOURTH WIFE,
'CAUSE I FINISH.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW EXACTLY --
IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, LIKE,
WHERE THE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE,
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE DISCUSSION
OF, LIKE, WHO'S GONNA GO WHERE, AND THEN --
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WE'RE GONNA BUILD.
WE COULD START THINKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HOUSES
WE'RE GONNA BUILD, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT THE SAME FLIPPING PROPERTY,
AND IT CHANGES.
EVERYBODY WANTED TREES BEFORE.
NOW NOBODY WANTS TREES.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ANY MORE.
NOW I'M MAD.
AND WE GOT INTO A SQUABBLE LAST SPRING
BECAUSE IT TURNED OUT THAT THERE WAS A BUNCH OF CONFUSION.
HE TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS WHAT WAS LEFT.
NO, THAT'S NOT AT ALL THE CONVERSATION, ROBYN.
-ARE YOU MAD AT ME? -NOT YOU.
-OKAY. -DON'T BE MAD AT ME.
I GOT IN TROUBLE FOR BEING THE ONE
THAT MANIPULATED EVERYBODY INTO PLACES THAT --
I DID NOT DO THAT.
THAT MADE ME LOOK LIKE AN
AND AN IDIOT.
I DON'T NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND DO ALL THIS.
IF WE GET THE SEVEN LOTS
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE RENTALS,
I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD SEVEN HOMES ALL AT ONCE.
THERE IS MUCH TO CONSIDER HERE.
WE BOUGHT THOSE TWO EXTRA PIECES, BASICALLY,
TO BUILD HOMES ON TO RENT
OR TO GIVE TO OUR CHILDREN.
HERE'S KODY LIKE, "I'M GONNA BE A REAL ESTATE TYCOON."
AND WE'RE LIKE, "HEY, WE NEED HOUSES FIRST.
HOW ABOUT THAT?"
"LET'S BUILD A WHOLE SUBDIVISION."
I THINK LET'S JUST GET STARTED ON ONE, EVEN.
ME TALKING BIG PICTURE --
LIKE, "LET'S DO SEVEN HOMES AT ONCE" AND ALL THAT --
THAT'S JUST ME STALLING,
BECAUSE I'D REALLY LOVE TO JUST PUT 'EM ALL OFF
AND JUST ENJOY MY PEACE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I KNOW THOSE GUYS --
THOSE DEVELOPERS -- ARE MAKING A HUGE PROFIT.
RIGHT NOW, PHENOMENAL PROFIT.
I'M SPECULATING.
ACTUALLY, I'M STALLING.
SO, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I MEAN, MORE COMPLICATED
THAN JUST, "HEY I DECIDED WE'RE MOVING FORWARD."
I'M REALLY, REALLY ENJOYING HERE
THAT JANELLE IS ON MY SIDE HERE.
BUT IT'S REALLY NOT MAKING A DIFFERENCE, IS IT?
I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH --
THERE'S STUFF WE CAN DO, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
MAYBE.
OKAY.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ONLY WAY
THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE FORWARD
IS IF KODY STARTS IT.
IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR ONE OF US TO LEAD.
NOT GETTING REAL FIRM COMMITMENTS,
BUT THAT'S OKAY.
JUST MAYBES.
I DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY PAYING
A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FOR INFORMATION
AND HELPING US START TO GET OUR PLANNING HATS ON
IS A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW WHAT, LADIES?
YOU GUYS --
MAYBE WHAT I NEED TO DO IS JUST TURN IT OVER THEM.
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GO DETERMINE
WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY GO BETTER.
MAYBE THE DRAMA PROBLEM IN OUR LIVES IS ME.
RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY'S IN A HOUSE.
WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ON THESE THINGS,
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MOVE ON THEM.
OKAY.
THAT'S DEPRESSING.
SORRY.
THAT'S DEPRESSING, KIND OF.
LIKE...
I AM A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH KODY RIGHT NOW.
COME ON. WE HAVE TO PLUG ON.
WE HAVE TO KEEP CHUGGING ON AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
I JUST THINK, SUBCONSCIOUSLY,
HE'S NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE,
AND HE'S JUST FINE WITH US LIVING SEPARATELY, I GUESS.
I THINK THAT WE JUST --
I MEAN, IT'S SEPTEMBER NOW.
WE JUST LET IT GO
AND NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE PROPERTY,
IT'S CREATING SOME ISSUES IN OUR FAMILY STRUCTURE,
OUR FAMILY CULTURE, SOME OF OUR RELATIONSHIPS,
AND THAT'S MAKING ME REALLY NERVOUS, TOO.
YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND, I JUST WENT THROUGH
ONE OF THE WORST FIGHTS I'VE EVER HAD WITH A WOMAN,
AND THAT'S GETTING INTO THAT HOUSE
THAT ROBYN JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULDN'T BE BUYING.
THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN HARD,
AND I'M STACKING THAT ONTO THE BLOW-UP
OUT AT COYOTE PASS.
I'M SO DISCOURAGED
ABOUT WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT WITH THE PROPERTY
THAT THERE'S DAYS I WISH I COULD JUST SELL IT.
IF I FEEL LIKE HE'S NOT STAYING AT MY HOUSE ENOUGH,
IT CAUSES ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS.
ROBYN SAYS WE HAD A DEFINITE MISUNDERSTANDING,
SO MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF I STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.
I JUST KNOW THAT FAMILIES GO AS LEADERSHIP DOES,
AND I JUST, FRANKLY, DON'T GIVE A ANYMORE.
ROBYN HAS ASKED ME
TO COME OUT TO THE PROPERTY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE KODY AND ROBYN AND I
ARE GONNA BE HAVING A LITTLE CHAT.
NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
HI, THANKS FOR COMING OUT HERE WITH ME.
HEY, HOW'S IT GOING?
GOOD.
LAST YEAR, THE FIVE OF US HAD COME OUT.
THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
I WAS TOLD BEFORE YOU GET WHAT'S LEFT.
NOW I'M JUST GONNA TAKE THAT SIDE OVER THERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT?
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT.
I DIDN'T SAY IT LIKE THAT.
YOU DID.
I WISH THAT I HAD BEEN
IN A BETTER PLACE EMOTIONALLY THAT DAY
SO I COULD HAVE, LIKE, HELPED KIND OF DIFFUSE IT
AND UNWIND IT.
IT WAS JUST KIND OF A BIG MESS.
I HAD BENT OVER BACKWARDS FOR MERI
TO KEEP MERI HAPPY ABOUT OUR LOCATION,
ABOUT HER LOCATION, AND ABOUT GETTING THERE.
WELL, THIS IS FABULOUS. I'LL SEE YOU GUYS.
I NEED TO GO FIND A RENTAL, TOO.
I REALLY JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE
ROBYN AND I WERE HAVING A FIGHT.
HONESTLY, I WAS MAD AT KODY THAT DAY.
HEY, MERI. -HI.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA
FOR US TO COME OUT HERE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION
AND, LIKE, DO IT TOGETHER,
AND, LIKE, SEE WHAT WE COULD GET UNRAVELED
WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT HAD.
ROBYN SAYS WE HAD A DEFINITE MISUNDERSTANDING,
SO MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF I STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.
BEING HERE WITH MERI AND KODY
AND SORT OF TALKING WITH THEM
KIND OF ABOUT RELATIONSHIP STUFF --
EVEN THEIR RELATIONSHIP --
IS SOMETHING I'VE DONE BEFORE.
ROBYN IS ACTUALLY THE FAMILY PEACEMAKER,
AND THERE'S A TENDENCY FOR THE WIVES --
IF THEY'VE GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT ME --
TO GO DIRECTLY TO ROBYN.
IN MY MIND, AND I KNOW IN MERI'S MIND,
THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T COME OUT HERE --
THE FIVE OF US TOGETHER --
AND COMMUNICATE WAS, I FEEL LIKE,
REALLY STRESSFUL AND HARD
AND A MAJOR BREAK IN OUR CULTURE
AND THE WAY WE DO THINGS,
AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
IT'S KIND OF BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BREAK IN OUR CULTURE.
I BELIEVE THAT SORT OF AS --
THE GROUP OF US, THE FIVE OF US,
WE HAVE TROUBLE COMMUNICATING.
WE'RE NOT GATHERING THE SAME WAY WE USED TO.
I DON'T SEE MY SISTER-WIVES VERY OFTEN.
WE DO THINGS SEPARATE NOW.
WE REALLY ARE LIVING SEPARATE.
IT'S PROBABLY ONLY A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH
THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY TOGETHER.
THERE'S TIMES WHEN I SIT THERE AND I GO,
"I HAVE NOT SEEN KODY FOR A LONG TIME."
IT'S BEEN WAY TOO LONG, AND I FEEL LIKE
MAYBE HE'S SPENDING EXTRA TIME SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF I FEEL LIKE HE'S NOT STAYING AT MY HOUSE ENOUGH --
IF I BRING IT UP TO HIM, IT CAUSES ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS.
SO I TRY NOT TO THINK ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING FAMILY MEETINGS,
SO WE DON'T SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.
AND SO, I COME OUT HERE WITH A WIFE WHO SAYS,
"HEY, I WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY."
AND WE TALK ABOUT WHERE HOUSES WOULD GO.
I EVEN DID THAT WITH MERI.
BEING SO FAR AWAY FROM MY WHOLE FAMILY --
FROM THE REST OF THE FAMILY --
ACTUALLY FEELS STRANGE.
TO PUT IT NICELY AS POSSIBLE,
IT'S LESS COMPLICATED TO LIVE SEPARATE,
AND I DON'T FEEL GUILTY THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS
ALL THE TIME WITHOUT EVERYBODY.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE ARE A FAMILY.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE FUNCTIONING AS A FAMILY.
SO THERE'S THIS UNSETTLING SENSE
THAT THEY'RE -- NOT EVERYTHING'S RIGHT.
THE PROBLEM HERE WITH THE FIVE OF US...
IS THE FIVE OF US.
WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT
HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE THE FIVE OF US.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST --
IT'S VERY DISCOURAGING.
SO, YES, WE HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING,
AND YES, IT WAS MY FAULT.
I'M TIRED OF TRYING TO ORGANIZE THIS PROPERTY.
I JUST KNOW THAT FAMILIES GO AS LEADERSHIP DOES,
AND I JUST, FRANKLY, DON'T GIVE A ANYMORE.
HERE, LET'S GO OVER THERE,
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE
WHAT'S GOING ON A LITTLE BIT.
HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING A DANCE CONSTANTLY.
I HAVE TO DANCE MORE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAN OTHERS.
SO, YOU SEE THOSE PIPES COMING OUT RIGHT THERE?
I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TOTALLY LOST ANY DESIRE TO GATHER MY FAMILY.
IT'S SO MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO DEAL WITH ONE WIFE
AND HER CHILDREN AT A TIME.
MY BEST GUESS IS THAT THAT IS OUR PROPERTY EDGE.
WHATEVER IT IS -- WHATEVER OUR DYSFUNCTION IS --
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS,
BUT IT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
SO I DON'T EVEN REALLY CARE TO GET TOGETHER ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE CLEAR UP INTO HERE.
BUT IT'S AT THIS ANGLE, MERI.
OH. IT'S SLIGHTLY --
SO, LET'S GO UP HERE JUST ANOTHER TEN FEET.
I HAVE NO IDEA
WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE OUT IN THIS PROPERTY.
I TRY REALLY HARD NOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT PART OF IT.
IT'S SO -- SORT OF DEPRESSING.
I THINK, WHERE THE LOGS ARE THERE,
IS THE BEST PLACE FOR A HOUSE,
BUT, UM...
NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN THE TREES,
SO, YOU KNOW.
THE WAY WE'RE LIVING APART HERE IN FLAGSTAFF
ISN'T MY PERSONAL IDEAL FOR PLURAL MARRIAGE.
WITH THIS ONE FAMILY, BIG PICTURE --
FOR YEARS, THEY SUPPORTED IT.
DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE REALLY INTO IT NOW.
ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME Y'ALL BACK TO WHERE IT ALL BEGAN.
WE'VE COME HERE TO FIND FORGIVENESS.
LET'S ALL KISS AND MAKE UP RIGHT HERE.
NOT ALL TOGETHER, PLEASE, ROB.
-THAT WOULD BE WEIRD. -IS THAT TOO WEIRD?
I LOVE MERI --
NOT SEXUALLY, BUT I LOVE MERI,
AND I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING HER A KISS ON THE CHEEK.
FOR ME, IT'S BECAUSE I LOVE HER,
BECAUSE SHE'S MY SISTER-WIFE,
BECAUSE SHE'S MY FRIEND.
KODY AND MERI DON'T NEED MORE
KIND OF, LIKE, MISUNDERSTANDINGS
OR EVEN ISSUES IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP.
THEY'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.
WE ENDED UP GOING BACK TO LAS VEGAS
TO SEE OUR THERAPIST, NANCY,
AND JUST KIND OF, LIKE, WORK THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP.
WHEN WE WERE AT NANCY'S, I KIND OF LIT IT OFF.
WE ARE FAMILY, BUT WE'RE NOT ACTING MARRIED.
MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MERI IS, AT BEST,
JUST DISTANT AND AMICABLE.
LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HE AND I IS GONE.
IT'S DEAD. IT'S OVER.
YOU KNOW, I COULD BUCK UP,
PUT MY BACKPACK ON, AND GO FOR A RUN --
BE TOUGH ABOUT IT --
BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
FOR ALL MY MARRIAGE WITH MERI,
I'VE FELT LIKE SHE UNLOADS HER EMOTIONS
INTO A BURDEN THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO CARRY.
I'M NOT CARRYING THIS BURDEN
'CAUSE THERE'S NO REASON THAT I SHOULD.
I HAVEN'T PUT RELATIONSHIP EFFORT INTO THAT RELATIONSHIP
SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE...
I HAVE THREE OTHER RELATIONSHIPS
THAT ARE REWARDING AND WHOLESOME
AND WITH CHILDREN THAT NEED ME,
NEED TO SEE ME.
I'M REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT PUSHING KODY
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM TO FEEL LIKE
I'M BEING DEMANDING OR PUSHY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,
SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE MADE IT KNOWN TO HIM ENOUGH,
YOU KNOW, WHERE I WANT THE RELATIONSHIP TO GO
AS FAR AS EVEN, LIKE, JUST MOVING FORWARD
AND JUST STARTING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.
IT'S BEST TO, LIKE, LEAVE THE BALL IN HIS COURT.
NEITHER OF US SEE REAL VALUE IN THE RELATIONSHIP,
'CAUSE IF MERI AND I REALLY WANTED TO BE TOGETHER, WE WOULD.
I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, MERI.
HE WAS TRYING TO GIVE ME WHAT HE THOUGHT THAT I WANTED,
BUT I NEVER SAID I WANTED IT.
I HONESTLY -- THERE ARE TIMES
I JUST WANT TO SELL THE F-- STINKING PLACE
'CAUSE I'M SICK OF THIS GAME.
I HONESTLY -- THERE ARE TIMES
I JUST WANT TO SELL THE F-- STINKING PLACE
'CAUSE I'M SICK OF THIS GAME,
AND I THINK MY WIVES ARE SORT OF SUSPICIOUS
THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT,
AND IT'S CAUSING THEM TO START GOING,
"HEY, WAIT A SECOND. WE CAN STILL GET TOGETHER.
WE CAN STILL BE A FAMILY."
"AND I'M LIKE, WELL, SURE YOU CAN.
YOU WORK IT OUT.
I'M SICK AND TIRED
OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK WITH YOU GUYS."
I WISH THAT WE COULD BE BETTER
ABOUT HOW WE COMMUNICATE.
WHAT WENT WRONG WAS,
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH COMMUNICATION
BETWEEN MERI AND KODY.
THE REASON I PUT HER HERE
WAS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY SPOT ON THIS PROPERTY
THAT WE CAN BE...
OKAY, HOLD ON....OUT OF THE TREES.
FROM WHAT I REMEMBER,
YOU JUST SAID YOU PUT ME HERE.
IS THAT AN ADMISSION THAT I DIDN'T CHOOSE?
I BASED THIS ON YOU
NOT WANTING TO BE IN THE TREES.
'CAUSE I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BE THERE.
OKAY, BUT THAT WAS BASED --
I NEED TO SAY THAT.
-OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. -I NEVER SAID --
IN FACT, I DON'T WANT THAT PROPERTY.
HE TOLD HER THAT I WANTED THE OTHER PROPERTY?
ARE YOU ADMITTING, THEN,
THAT I NEVER SAID I WANTED THAT?
THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BY THE ROAD
WAS NEVER A DISCUSSION.
THIS IS WHY THIS HAPPENED --
BECAUSE EVERY TIME -- OH, MY GOSH.
I JUST DIDN'T EXPLAIN.
I'M SORRY.
YOU KEPT SAYING, "BUILD IT" --
RIGHT THERE.
YES, AND I WAS LIKE, "I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT THAT."
AND SO, MY WHOLE TIME WHEN I WAS OUT HERE WITH YOU,
I'M, LIKE, LOOKING AROUND.
MAYBE I COULD HAVE, LIKE, A DECK
THAT WOULD GO OFF ONTO THE POND,
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT --
AND DO IT RIGHT THERE IN THAT OPEN SPOT,
KIND OF IN THAT CORNER.
THERE WAS A MAJOR FACTOR
THAT I DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY BRING UP HERE
WITH MERI AND ROBYN...
WHERE THERE WAS A CONCERN
ABOUT MERI HAVING A HOUSE ON THE POND LOT.
MERI DOES KNOW HOW SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY FEEL.
THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN
AND WILL ALWAYS BE A QUESTION --
WHETHER THE FAMILY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE POND
IF MERI HAS THE TITLE
TO THE PROPERTY WITH THE POND.
DON'T WANNA BE IN THE TREES.
-HOLD ON. -NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WE'VE GOT MORE PROPERTIES, SO JUST --
I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST REALIZING SOMETHING, KODY.
WHEN SHE SAID,
"I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES,"
IS THAT WHY YOU IMMEDIATELY PUT HER SOMEWHERE ELSE?
I JUST PUT HER WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE IN THE TREES.
I KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNEW --
YOU KNEW THAT THE ONLY PLACE TO BUILD
WAS IN THE TREES ON THIS LOT.
SO, AUTOMATICALLY, YOU PUT HER SOMEWHERE ELSE
BECAUSE OF THAT?
YEAH.
BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
'CAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES.
SO, WHEN SHE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES,"
SHE WAS THINKING, "WHY CAN'T I BUILD
ON ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS?"
YEAH, I'M SITTING HERE
TRYING TO GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND IT.
YOU NEVER CAME BACK TO ME AND SAID, "WELL, INSTEAD,
I'M THINKING I'LL PUT YOU UP THERE."
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES,
BUT I DIDN'T SAY I WANTED TO BE UP BY THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT'S SO FRUSTRATING TO ME.
I NEVER SAID THAT, BUT IN HIS MIND, HE'S LIKE,
"WELL, I'D BETTER MAKE MERI HAPPY
AND PUT HER UP THERE.
I GIVE HER WHAT SHE WANTS
AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE ROBYN" --
WHAT WAS IT HE SAID? "THE TABLE SCRAPS."
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
THIS ISN'T MY FAULT.
I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH ANY BUTTONS HERE.
THIS IS A HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S NOT WHY I WAS UPSET!
I'M REALLY WILLING TO SORT IT OUT.
I'M SITTING HERE JUST DUMBFOUNDED -- STILL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS SO HARD TO FIGURE OUT.
I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, MERI.
I GET WHAT HE WAS DOING.
HE WAS TRYING TO GIVE ME WHAT HE THOUGHT THAT I WANTED...
BUT I NEVER SAID I WANTED IT.
I LIKE THE TREES.
I LOVE THE TREES, AND I TRIED SAYING THAT TO YOU
WHEN WE GOT -- WHEN WE WENT OVER
TO CHRISTINE'S LATER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO BE SO DEEP IN THE TREES
THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY SUNLIGHT.
SO, AT THIS POINT,
I HAVE NO IDEA --
IF I WERE TO HAVE FIRST CHOICE OF THIS PROPERTY,
I'M NOT SURE THAT I KNOW WHERE IT WOULD BE.
I LOVE THE TREES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO HAVE A HOUSE IN THE TREES.
OH, HOLY
OKAY, WELL, I'M JUST SITTING HERE.
LET'S ALL WAIT FOR FOR MERI TO DECIDE.
ALL I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T KNOW.
KODY AND MERI'S RELATIONSHIP IS REALLY SAD.
THIS IS WEIRD.
NO, IT'S NOT.
KODY SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER.
ROBYN BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF MERI AND I
ACTUALLY MAKES MERI AND I SAFER WITH EACH OTHER.
IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
THE REASON WHY I WANT US TO COME OUT HERE
IS BECAUSE I WANT US TO DO THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS TODAY.
THIS IS JUST TO GET US OUT HERE TO TALK.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE
AS, LIKE, REALLY, TRULY PROBLEMATIC --
THAT WE DIDN'T GET TOGETHER, THE FIVE OF US,
AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND FIGURE IT OUT.
ROBYN HAS AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT OUR CULTURE
THAT WE ALL WORK THESE THINGS OUT.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THEY'RE NEGOTIATING WITH EACH OTHER THROUGH ME.
NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN IN THIS FAMILY,
I TAKE THE BLAME FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON.
WHEN YOU HAVE A MONOGAMOUS COUPLE,
IT'S -- I --
I VISUALIZE IT AS A COMPLETE YIN-YANG DECISION.
THE HUSBAND AND WIFE MAKE DECISIONS TOGETHER.
WELL, IN PLURAL MARRIAGE, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
I WAS OUT OF TURN BECAUSE I WAS ANGRY,
BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I WAS GIVING --
LIKE I WAS GIVING YOU WHAT YOU WANTED,
AND THEN YOU DIDN'T WANT IT.
AND I GAVE YOU WHAT YOU WANTED,
AND YOU DIDN'T WANT IT.
THAT'S THAT'S HOW I PERCEIVED IT,
AND I APOLOGIZE.
WHATEVER.
I'M JUST ACQUIESCING HERE.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS,
BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE.
I JUST WANTED TO GET US GOOD.
ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH EACH OTHER?
I'M GOOD.
I'M FINE.
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS -- YEAR AND A HALF, I GUESS --
HERE IN FLAGSTAFF --
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
THE FAMILY IS JUST IN A WEIRD PLACE.
ALL RIGHT.
-LET'S GO HOME. -LET'S GO HOME.
WE FEEL GOOD.
DO WE FEEL BETTER?
I REALLY LIKE THIS AREA.
YEAH.
IT'S VERY, VERY PEACEFUL OVER HERE.
YEAH.
HONESTLY, I JUST DON'T THINK MY WIVES
REALLY WANT TO BE TOGETHER THAT MUCH,
BECAUSE IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD.
I THINK THEY ARE ENJOYING IT...
THIS SORT OF INDEPENDENCE FROM EACH OTHER.
"DOING MY THING, LIVING IN MY HOUSE,
HANGING OUT WITH MY KIDS.
OH, AND I GET MY HUSBAND ONCE IN A WHILE."
HERE, LET'S HOLD HANDS,
'CAUSE THE LAST TIME WE WALKED DOWN THIS,
WE WERE UPSET.
WE WERE MAD AT EACH OTHER.
HERE, YOU HOLD HER HAND, TOO, KODY,
'CAUSE YOU WERE UPSET, TOO.
THERE WE GO.
I MEAN, KODY AND MERI'S RELATIONSHIP IS --
IT'S REALLY SAD
AND HARD TO SEE,
AND I LOVE THEM BOTH.
I'LL DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP THEM.
THEIR RELATIONSHIP REALLY DOES HAVE AN EFFECT
ON THE REST OF THE FAMILY.
THIS IS WEIRD.
NO, IT'S NOT.
KODY SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER.
-NO. -NO?
NO, WE'RE GOOD.
ROBYN BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF MERI AND I
ACTUALLY MAKES MERI AND I SAFER WITH EACH OTHER.
AS WEIRD AS IT MIGHT SEEM, IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
THIS DOES NOT BOTHER ME AT ALL --
THAT ROBYN IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS --
BECAUSE ROBYN IS PART OF THIS.
THE MONOGAMOUS CULTURE TEACHES
THAT WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER.
IN A POLYGAMOUS CULTURE,
IF YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT, THE IDEA IS,
IS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER.
IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE WORLD,
AND IF EVERYBODY WAS LIVING PLURAL MARRIAGE
AND THAT WAS THE CULTURE,
WHAT WOULD WOMEN BE LIKE WITH EACH OTHER?
WHAT WOULD THEY BE LIKE IF THAT WAS THE NORM?
YOU GOOD? YEAH.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU LATER.
SOMETHING VERY, VERY SPECIAL,
WHEN YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR SISTER-WIFE
AND KNOW SHE'S GOT YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HER HEART
AND SHE'S ROOTING FOR YOUR RELATIONSHIP.
IT'S GOT TO BE THE PUREST KIND OF LOVE.
NEXT TIME, ON "SISTER WIVES"...
WE HAVE COME UP TO SALT LAKE CITY
TO LOOK AT SOME WEDDING VENUE OPTIONS
WITH MARIAH AND AUDREY,
YOU GUYS COULD WALK DOWN DOWN AN AISLE
THAT ISN'T A STRAIGHT LINE.
THAT'S TRUE.
HEEEEY!
YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THAT JUST, LIKE --
IT GOT ME IN THE FEELS, YOU KNOW?
YEAH, WE'RE NOT STRAIGHT.
SO, I THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TOGETHER.
-WE ACTUALLY DON'T. -OH, GOSH.
IF I'M IN A ROUGH SPOT WITH KODY,
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO CONTRIBUTE
TO A SISTER-WIFE RELATIONSHIP.
IF YOU KNOW THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY TRYING
TO SABOTAGE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH KODY,
YOU CAN'T TRUST HER.
HOW ARE YOU FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE YOU CAN'T TRUST?