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PREVIOUSLY ON "SISTER WIVES..."
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YOU'VE MADE IT
PERFECTLY CLEAR
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YOU DON'T WANT TO DO
THIS ONE HOME THING.
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WHY NOT, CHRISTINE?
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NO PRIVACY FOR YOU.
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I MEAN, THE IDEA
THAT POLYGAMIST FAMILIES
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SHOULD LIVE IN ONE HOUSE
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TO GET ALL OF YOUR BLESSINGS
IN HEAVEN
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IS RIDICULOUS.
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MERI SEEMS SORT OF
ON THE FENCE.
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ROBYN SEEMS SORT OF
INQUISITIVE,
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AND JANELLE SEEMS
SORT OF POSITIVE ON IT,
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BUT I THINK CHRISTINE
IS SO DOWN ON THIS
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THAT IT'S INFECTING EVERYBODY.
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I THINK LIFE'S GOTTEN
REALLY EASY FOR US,
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AND WE ALL GO HOME
TO OUR LITTLE HOUSES
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AND WE COMPLAIN
ABOUT SOMEBODY.
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WE ALL HAVE TO DECIDE
WHAT WE REALLY WANT.
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DO YOU WANT TO HAVE
A RELATIONSHIP
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WITH YOUR SISTER WIFE?
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MAYBE.
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AND THIS WOULD
BE HEARTBREAKING.
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THERE ARE SOME OF US
WHO ARE LIKE, "LOOK,
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I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE."
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I'M REALLY SORRY
I STILL GET JEALOUS.
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I STILL GET
SUPER JEALOUS,
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AND I'M REALLY,
REALLY, REALLY SORRY.
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IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT BALANCE
OF BEING STRONG
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AND NOT BEING A BITCH.
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I DON'T KNOW WHY CHRISTINE
IS SAYING THIS. THAT'S SCARY.
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SO TODAY, I'M MEETING
WITH MY WIVES AT MERI'S HOUSE
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SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT A TRIP
WE WANT TO TAKE TO UTAH.
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WE'RE GOING TO BE VISITING
WITH ANOTHER PLURAL FAMILY.
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THE DARGER FAMILY --
WE'VE KNOWN THEM FOR YEARS.
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THEY'VE BEEN VERY POLITICALLY
ACTIVE FOR THE CAUSE
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OF DECRIMINALIZING
PLURAL MARRIAGE IN UTAH.
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COME IN.
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HEY.
HEY, GUYS.
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SO WE JUST RECENTLY WENT
TO LUNCH
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AND WE HAD A PRETTY
INTENSE CONVERSATION
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ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE
WITH OUR RELATIONSHIPS,
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AND I HAVEN'T HEARD A PEEP.
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DO THEY CARE?
WERE THEY LISTENING?
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MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW
WHAT TO SAY?
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I DON'T KNOW. I HOPE
THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.
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I HOPE THEY'RE PROCESSING IT.
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UM, OK, SO SALT LAKE IS
36 DEGREES TOMORROW.
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WHOA.
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WE'VE HAD SUCH NICE WEATHER
HERE.
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-WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE CAR.
YEAH.
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SO WHEN WE FIRST WENT PUBLIC,
WITHIN JUST DAYS OF IT
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REALLY BEING ANNOUNCED,
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THE POLICE IN UTAH
STARTED TO INVESTIGATE US
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BECAUSE PLURAL MARRIAGE
IS A FELONY IN UTAH.
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IT WAS PUNISHABLE UP
TO FIVE YEARS PER COUNT.
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SO THAT KIND OF LED TO THIS
WHOLE THING WHERE WE WERE
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VERY AFRAID FOR OUR SAFETY.
WE WERE VERY AFRAID
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THAT THEY WERE GOING TO
COME AND ARREST US.
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HURRY! HURRY,
HURRY, HURRY!
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NO!
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SO WE LEFT THE STATE KIND OF
IN THE DARK OF NIGHT.
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WE FELT LIKE WE'D BEEN EXILED.
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SO ONCE WE LANDED IN LAS VEGAS
AND THINGS HAD SETTLED,
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WE SUED THE STATE OF UTAH,
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BASICALLY SAYING, "LOOK,
THIS LAW IS UNFAIR." WE WON.
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SO, FOR A YEAR, WHAT SEEMS LIKE
JUST A FEW MINUTES,
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BUT IT WAS FOR A YEAR,
WE WERE DECRIMINALIZED.
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WE'RE NO LONGER FELONS.
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SO, THE STATE OF UTAH APPEALED
OUR LAWSUIT THAT WE HAD WON.
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THEY OVERTURNED IT
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AND THEN THEY DOUBLED DOWN
WITH A NEW LAW, H.B.99.
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AND SO IT MADE IT A WORSE FELONY
FOR POLYGAMISTS IN UTAH.
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SO, ARE WE GOING
TO DRIVE TOGETHER?
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THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION
I WONDERED.
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YEAH, I THINK
WE SHOULD DRIVE TOGETHER.
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BUT LET'S TALK TO -- LET'S
GET CHRISTINE IN ON IT, THOUGH.
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SO, THIS YEAR THERE WAS A BILL
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INTRODUCED INTO THE UTAH SENATE,
S.B.102.
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BASICALLY, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO
DO WAS KIND OF REVISE THAT LAW
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THAT WAS PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO,
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BASICALLY MAKES IT
SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE OUR FAMILY
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WHO LIVE A LAW-ABIDING LIFE,
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JUST CHOOSE FOR RELIGIOUS
PURPOSES TO COHABITATE,
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WE'RE NO LONGER FELONS.
IT'S AMAZING.
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HI. SO,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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WHETHER WE DRIVE TOGETHER
OR NOT.
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CHRISTINE'S WORKING IN PHOENIX,
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SO ONCE
IN A WHILE WE JUST HAVE TO.
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DO KIND OF CONFERENCE CALLING,
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SO I HAVE TO COME BACK
VERY QUICKLY
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BECAUSE I'VE GOT WORK
I'VE GOT TO DO,
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SO I'LL BE DRIVING BACK
IN THE EVENING.
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I THINK THE KODY
OVER COMPLICATES EVERYTHING.
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AND I THINK US GOING TO UTAH ON
A FRICKING SPONTANEOUS ROAD TRIP
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FOR A CONVERSATION
SEEMS RIDICULOUS TO ME.
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I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT
TO TALK ABOUT WITH JOE,
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AND I'VE GOT TO
GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME.
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I WANT TO GO TO UTAH AND
SEE THE DARGER FAMILY IN PERSON.
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I DON'T WANT TO DO
SOME KIND OF VIDEO CONFERENCING
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OR SOMETHING WITH THEM.
WHY WOULD WE DO THAT?
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I WANT TO GO SEE THEM.
THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS.
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WE'RE LONELY
FOR OTHER POLYGAMIST FAMILY.
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I WAS WATCHING THE NEWS TODAY,
AND THE DEBATE IS PRETTY LIVELY.
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SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY
TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT
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THAT THEY'RE STILL KEEPING FRAUD
AND CHILD MARRIAGE
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AND ALL THAT
KIND OF STUFF ILLEGAL.
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AND THEY'RE TRYING
TO SEPARATE
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THOSE WHO ARE LIVING POLYGAMY
AS CONSENTING ADULTS.
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THE LAW CHANGING DOESN'T REALLY
AFFECT ME, REALLY,
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BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE IN UTAH.
WE'RE NOT LIVING IN UTAH.
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WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT
WILL AFFECT MY FAMILY
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BECAUSE THEY ARE LIVING
PLURAL MARRIAGE,
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AND THIS COULD BE
A HUGE BLESSING FOR THEM.
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NOT TO BE KIND OF
CONDESCENDING ABOUT IT.
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BUT THAT'S VERY SOPHOMORIC
ATTITUDE THAT THEY HAVE.
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I'M SORT OF
BLOWN AWAY OF HOW --
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IT'S LONG=ESTABLISHED
PREJUDICE, HONEY.
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IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
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IT'S JUST LIKE LEAVE
CONSENTING ADULTS ALONE.
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IT'S JUST NOT --
LEGISLATING BEDROOMS, SEXUALITY.
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WHAT I DO IN MY BEDROOM
WITH ANOTHER CONSENTING ADULT
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IS NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS.
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AND, SO, WHY DO THEY THINK
THAT THEY CAN LEGISLATE IT?
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IT'S NAIVE.
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WELL, YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT USUALLY
CONSENTING ADULTS
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THAT ARE VICTIMS
IN THESE SITUATIONS.
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IT'S LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT A FAMILY
AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW,
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WITH CHILD BRIDES
AND STUFF LIKE THAT,
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THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED
ABOUT. AND THAT'S REAL.
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AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THEY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
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I THINK THE LAWMAKERS THINK THAT
BY DECRIMINALIZING THIS LAW
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THAT IT WILL MAKE IT
SO THAT IT'S A FREE FOR ALL
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AND THERE WILL BE MORE ABUSE
THAT WILL HAPPEN.
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AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT REALIZING
IS THAT CURRENT LAW IS SO STRICT
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THAT IT'S MAKING THEM
SO AFRAID TO COME OUT.
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AND LIKE A MOM, SHE'S GOT A
DAUGHTER THAT'S GETTING ABUSED,
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AND SHE IS SO AFRAID
OF GOING TO THE POLICE
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BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID THEY'RE
GOING TO TEAR APART HER FAMILY
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AND TAKE HER CHILD AWAY.
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SO, HER DAUGHTER CONTINUES
TO BE ABUSED HER WHOLE LIFE,
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WHICH IS, LIKE, INSANE
AND HORRIFIC.
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THIS, ACTUALLY, WHAT
WE'RE DISCUSSING,
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MAKES ME REALLY GLAD WE DIDN'T
MOVE TO ST. GEORGE NOW.
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THANK YOU.
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SO, WE GET TO SAY,
"I TOLD YOU SO."
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I GUESS SO.
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FINALLY, HE SEES IT.
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I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
MOVING TO ST. GEORGE,
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I WOULD NOT HAVE
WANTED TO LIVE THERE.
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THANK GOODNESS
NONE OF MY SISTER WIVES
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WANTED TO MOVE
TO ST. GEORGE, EITHER.
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SO, IT WAS IT WORKED OUT.
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WOULD YOU BE OKAY
WITH UTAH
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IF IT WAS, LIKE,
DECRIMINALIZED
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LIKE IT WAS JUST LIKE
A PARKING TICKET?
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WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE
LIVING IN UTAH?
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NO, I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT GOING.
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ARE YOU
REALLY ASKING THAT?
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YEAH.
WOULDN'T IT BE COOL
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IF IT WAS JUST LIKE
A PARKING TICKET?
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I'M JUST GOING TO PRETEND
I DIDN'T HEAR KODY'S QUESTION
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'CAUSE, UM...YEAH,
IT'S IT'S KIND OF CRAZY,
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AND IT JUST
MAKES ME UPSET AND MAD.
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AND I'M HOME IN FLAGSTAFF.
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WE'RE GOOD.
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AT THIS POINT,
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT I AM NOT
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IN THE SAME ROOM AS EVERYBODY
ELSE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW,
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I WOULD BE JUMPING UP AND DOWN
SAYING, "YES."
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FLAGSTAFF HASN'T
BEEN GREAT FOR OUR FAMILY.
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IT HASN'T.
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I THINK THAT UTAH'S HOME.
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UTAH FEELS LIKE HOME.
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I MEAN, AT THIS POINT,
I REALLY LOVE FLAGSTAFF.
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I'M FLOURISHING HERE.
I WANT TO STAY HERE.
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SO, JUST DEED ME ALL THE LAND,
AND YOU GUYS CAN GO TO UTAH.
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I'LL STAY HERE WITH THE LAND.
I'LL BE REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT.
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I'M NOT SAYING
I WANT TO MOVE THERE.
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I'M JUST WONDERING
IF IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
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I'M STARTING TO -- LIKE,
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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NO, I'M NOT TRYING --
I DON'T WANT TO MOVE THERE.
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I'M JUST SAYING I'M GLAD
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I DON'T LIVE THERE
THROUGH ALL THIS.
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IT WOULD BE SO AMAZING
TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE UTAH.
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BUT, LIKE,
EVEN IF IT IS CHANGED TO THIS,
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WHO KNOWS HOW IT'S GOING
TO AFFECT AND REALLY WORK.
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I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU,
I STILL LAMENT IN A WAY
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THAT WE WE WEREN'T ABLE
TO MOVE TO ST. GEORGE.
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I WISH IT WASN'T THIS WAY.
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YOU GOOD, CHRISTINE?
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IF THE LAW DOES PASS
BY SOME FLIPPING MIRACLE,
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THEN AT THAT POINT
I'LL TALK TO THE ADULTS.
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DO YOU HAVE CHILD CARE
THURSDAY NIGHT?
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I DO, BUT IF YOU ARE
GOING TO TRAVEL
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ALL THE WAY BACK,
I'LL TRAVEL WITH YOU.
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IS EVERYBODY
WANTING TO TRAVEL TOGETHER?
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WHEN WE TAKE MORE
THAN ONE VEHICLE,
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IT BUGS THE --
IT JUST REALLY BUGS ME.
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IT'S AN INDICATOR
THAT WE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY
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NOT COMFORTABLE
WITH EACH OTHER.
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NOW, MY WIVES WILL DENY IT.
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YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT
TO TALK ABOUT IT.
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IT'S NOT ALWAYS COMFORTABLE
FOR US TO DO THINGS TOGETHER.
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OTHERWISE,
WE WOULD DO IT MORE.
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ARE WE ALL GOING TO FIT
IN THAT CAR, THOUGH?
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OKAY, WE'VE GOT
TWO SEATS IN FRONT,
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THREE SEATS IN THE MIDDLE,
BUT THAT WILL BE TIGHT.
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WE'VE HAD A BIG CONVERSATION
RECENTLY.
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WE KIND OF WENT,
"WELL, WE NEED TO WORK HARDER
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AT BEING CLOSER AS A FAMILY."
I THINK THIS IS KIND OF
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WHAT'S IN EVERYBODY'S HEADS
AS WE SIT HERE
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AND TALK ABOUT MAYBE
TRAVELING TOGETHER IS LIKE,
214
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THIS COULD BE
ONE OF THOSE EXPERIENCES
215
00:09:48,379 --> 00:09:49,896
THAT BOND US A LITTLE BIT.
216
00:09:49,896 --> 00:09:52,413
BUT TRAVELING TOGETHER CAN BE
A LOT OF FUN
217
00:09:52,413 --> 00:09:54,896
OR CAN BE REALLY TENSE
AND STRESSFUL.
218
00:09:54,896 --> 00:09:58,172
REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE
EVERYBODY'S AT WITH EACH OTHER.
219
00:09:58,172 --> 00:10:00,413
AND IF KODY'S FIGHTING
WITH A WIFE,
220
00:10:00,413 --> 00:10:02,931
OR SISTER WIVES ARE HAVING
SOME SORT OF DISAGREEMENT
221
00:10:02,931 --> 00:10:06,517
OR SOMETHING.
HOPEFULLY IT GOES WELL.
222
00:10:06,517 --> 00:10:09,000
ALRIGHT.
SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING.
223
00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:12,517
-BYE.
-BYE.
224
00:10:12,517 --> 00:10:15,172
I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S
A VALUE
225
00:10:15,172 --> 00:10:16,448
OF SPENDING TIME TOGETHER.
226
00:10:16,448 --> 00:10:18,551
-OKAY, I GOT TO GO.
-ALRIGHT.
227
00:10:18,551 --> 00:10:19,758
SEE YOU
IN THE MORNING, MERI,
228
00:10:19,758 --> 00:10:22,620
WHEN YOU DON'T PUT EFFORT
INTO A RELATIONSHIP,
229
00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:23,827
IT FIZZLES OUT.
230
00:10:23,827 --> 00:10:26,344
AND I DEFINITELY SEE
THAT HAPPENING
231
00:10:26,344 --> 00:10:29,275
SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE
IN FLAGSTAFF.
232
00:10:33,931 --> 00:10:37,000
KODY, WE HAVE MERI'S BAG
AND JANELLE'S BAG STILL.
233
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,689
BASED ON LUGGAGE,
WE'RE TAKING TWO CARS.
234
00:10:38,689 --> 00:10:40,000
STOP.
235
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,827
SHE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T WANT
TO TRAVEL TOGETHER.
236
00:10:41,827 --> 00:10:44,655
SHE OBVIOUSLY WANTS
TO TAKE HER OWN CAR.
237
00:10:44,655 --> 00:10:46,310
LET'S JUST GO.
LET'S JUST GO.
238
00:10:46,310 --> 00:10:48,034
WOW. I'VE BEEN READY
FOR AN HOUR.
239
00:10:48,034 --> 00:10:50,241
RIGHT THIS SECOND.
I WISH I HAD FLOWN.
240
00:10:50,241 --> 00:10:53,551
-COME ON. COME ON.
-DON'T HURT MY CAR!
241
00:10:53,551 --> 00:10:55,896
WHAT THE HELL IS SHE DOING?
242
00:10:55,896 --> 00:10:59,068
THIS IS FUN TRAVELING
WITH A BUNCH OF BOSSY WOMEN.
243
00:11:08,965 --> 00:11:11,758
ME AND MY WIVES ARE ALL GOING
TO UTAH
244
00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:13,896
TO SEE JOE DARGER
AND HIS FAMILY.
245
00:11:13,896 --> 00:11:16,172
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
246
00:11:16,172 --> 00:11:19,172
RIGHT NOW,
WE'RE ALMOST ON TIME.
247
00:11:19,172 --> 00:11:22,241
WE CAN HURRY AND LOAD FAST, AND
WE CAN GET OVER TO MERI'S HOUSE.
248
00:11:22,241 --> 00:11:26,379
WE WERE ONLY 10 MINUTES LATE,
WHICH IS HUGE TO US.
249
00:11:26,379 --> 00:11:28,206
OH, HEAVENS
TO MURGATROYD.
250
00:11:28,206 --> 00:11:29,793
WHAT?
WE'RE NOT FITTING.
251
00:11:29,793 --> 00:11:31,655
HE SAID
WE HAVE TO PACK LIGHT,
252
00:11:31,655 --> 00:11:33,862
AND I DON'T THINK
HE'S PACKED LIGHT.
253
00:11:33,862 --> 00:11:36,482
KODY HAS THE MOTHER LOAD
OF STUFF.
254
00:11:36,482 --> 00:11:38,482
WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIT.
I'M JUST SAYING.
255
00:11:38,482 --> 00:11:42,000
KODY, WE HAVE MERI'S BAG
AND JANELLE'S BAG STILL.
256
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,965
IT'S NOT GOING TO FIT
IN THE CAR.
257
00:11:43,965 --> 00:11:46,206
BASED ON LUGGAGE,
WE'RE TAKING TWO CARS.
258
00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:48,137
STOP.
259
00:11:48,137 --> 00:11:49,586
YES. STOP TRYING
TO TAKE TWO CARS.
260
00:11:49,586 --> 00:11:52,137
STOP IT NOW.
I'M NOT EVEN LISTENING TO THAT.
261
00:11:52,137 --> 00:11:54,344
YEAH, I KNOW. BUT EVERYONE WANTS
THEIR AUTONOMY
262
00:11:54,344 --> 00:11:56,620
"OH, AUTONOMY.
AUTONOMY.
263
00:11:56,620 --> 00:11:58,551
I DON'T WANT
TO SIT BY HER ALL DAY."
264
00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:00,965
IT'S JUST -- GAH.
265
00:12:00,965 --> 00:12:02,275
YOU KNOW,
YOU JUST CAN'T TRAVEL
266
00:12:02,275 --> 00:12:05,724
WITHOUT WALKING SHOES
OR RUNNING SHOES. COME ON.
267
00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:07,206
IF HE BROUGHT LESS STUFF,
268
00:12:07,206 --> 00:12:09,862
WE COULD FIT
ANOTHER PERSON IN THIS CAR!
269
00:12:09,862 --> 00:12:12,379
HE NEEDS TO LEAVE
SOME STUFF BEHIND,
270
00:12:12,379 --> 00:12:14,344
MAYBE A COUPLE PAIRS
OF SHOES.
271
00:12:14,344 --> 00:12:16,655
THERE.
NOW WE FIT.
272
00:12:16,655 --> 00:12:19,068
OKAY, LET'S GO GET
THE OTHER LADIES.
273
00:12:19,068 --> 00:12:23,275
I THINK THAT DRIVING TOGETHER
COULD GO EITHER WAY.
274
00:12:23,275 --> 00:12:25,551
IT COULD BE REALLY
GREAT BONDING
275
00:12:25,551 --> 00:12:28,000
OR IT COULD BE
REALLY STRESSFUL,
276
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,931
AND IT COULD BE HARD
AND DRAMATIC AND AWKWARD.
277
00:12:31,931 --> 00:12:33,793
SO, WHERE YOU SITTING?
YOU'RE SITTING IN THE VERY BACK?
278
00:12:33,793 --> 00:12:39,275
I CAN GO IN THE VERY BACK.
279
00:12:39,275 --> 00:12:40,758
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING OVER
TO MERI'S HOUSE.
280
00:12:40,758 --> 00:12:43,517
WE'LL PICK HER UP, AND THEN
WE'LL GO AND PICK JANELLE UP.
281
00:12:43,517 --> 00:12:45,379
BASED UPON MY CURRENT
PROJECTIONS,
282
00:12:45,379 --> 00:12:47,896
I THINK WE MIGHT ACTUALLY LEAVE
283
00:12:47,896 --> 00:12:50,965
WITHIN 20 MINUTES
OF OUR DEPARTURE INTENTION.
284
00:12:55,896 --> 00:12:57,137
CHRISTINE,
WE HAVE A FLAT.
285
00:12:57,137 --> 00:12:58,620
WE'RE GOING
RIGHT TO THE DEALERSHIP.
286
00:12:58,620 --> 00:13:00,034
-NO, WE DON'T.
-YES, I CAN HEAR IT.
287
00:13:01,655 --> 00:13:03,206
WE DID NOT HAVE
A FLAT AT HOME!
288
00:13:03,206 --> 00:13:04,965
HOW CAN WE HAVE
A FLAT RIGHT NOW?!
289
00:13:04,965 --> 00:13:06,896
I JUST DROVE TO PHOENIX
YESTERDAY IN THIS CAR,
290
00:13:06,896 --> 00:13:08,689
AND THE TIRES WERE FINE.
291
00:13:08,689 --> 00:13:10,586
SO, DO YOU GUYS WANT
TO WAIT HERE
292
00:13:10,586 --> 00:13:12,655
WITH MERI
WHILE I GO GET IT?
293
00:13:12,655 --> 00:13:14,793
NO, THIS IS STUPID.
294
00:13:14,793 --> 00:13:17,413
I AM GOING RIGHT
TO THE TIRE PLACE.
295
00:13:17,413 --> 00:13:18,482
LET'S GO.
LET'S GO. LET'S GO.
296
00:13:18,482 --> 00:13:19,862
WE'LL COME BACK
AND GET MERI.
297
00:13:19,862 --> 00:13:22,689
OKAY, JUST LISTEN --
IF WE WANT TO MAKE THIS TRIP,
298
00:13:22,689 --> 00:13:24,827
WE ARE NOT TAKING
THIS CAR.
299
00:13:24,827 --> 00:13:26,827
-WHY NOT?
-BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
300
00:13:26,827 --> 00:13:28,758
HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE
TO FIX IT.
301
00:13:28,758 --> 00:13:30,517
IT'S GOING TO TAKE 20 MINUTES
FOR THEM TO FIX IT.
302
00:13:30,517 --> 00:13:32,000
IN YOUR MIND.
303
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,000
THAT'S NOT A 20 MINUTE FIX.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT YOUR TURN.
304
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,310
NO, WE NEED
TO TAKE ANOTHER CAR.
305
00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:38,172
WE DON'T FIT
IN THE OTHER CAR,
306
00:13:38,172 --> 00:13:39,206
AND THE OTHER CAR
DOESN'T HAVE POWER TO --
307
00:13:39,206 --> 00:13:40,965
WE'LL TAKE
TWO CARS, KODY.
308
00:13:40,965 --> 00:13:42,344
NO, WE'RE NOT TAKING
TWO CARS, CHRISTINE.
309
00:13:42,344 --> 00:13:44,517
SHE'S JUST BEING
ANTAGONISTIC.
310
00:13:44,517 --> 00:13:47,103
SHE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T WANT
TO TRAVEL TOGETHER.
311
00:13:47,103 --> 00:13:49,965
SHE OBVIOUSLY WANTS
TO TAKE HER OWN CAR.
312
00:13:49,965 --> 00:13:51,620
I DON'T SEE WHY WE ALL
JUST DON'T GO
313
00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:52,965
TO THE TIRE STORE.
314
00:13:52,965 --> 00:13:56,000
-BECAUSE I CAN'T.
-THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA.
315
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,931
THEN WE CAN JUST BE SITTING
AT THE TIRE STORE
316
00:13:57,931 --> 00:13:59,517
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE OFF
RIGHT FROM THERE
317
00:13:59,517 --> 00:14:01,482
INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO
COME BACK AND GET US.
318
00:14:01,482 --> 00:14:05,448
LET ME SEE HOW FAST -- I MEAN,
WE'RE LOSING AIR AS WE SPEAK.
319
00:14:09,344 --> 00:14:10,551
THAT'S FUN.
320
00:14:10,551 --> 00:14:11,655
MERI?
321
00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:17,517
THAT'S A NICE THING
TO START THE TRIP OFF.
322
00:14:17,517 --> 00:14:19,068
MERI?
323
00:14:19,068 --> 00:14:21,172
THAT BROWN BOY
IS INTENSE.
324
00:14:21,172 --> 00:14:22,413
MERI?
325
00:14:22,413 --> 00:14:24,206
SO I HAD MY BAG SITTING
OUT THERE BY THE DOOR.
326
00:14:24,206 --> 00:14:27,206
WHEN I SAW THEM PULL UP,
I'M LIKE, "OK,
327
00:14:27,206 --> 00:14:29,655
I'M GOING TO RUN UP AND GO TO
THE RESTROOM REAL QUICK."
328
00:14:29,655 --> 00:14:34,793
AND ALL I HEAR IS KODY YELLING.
YELLING.
329
00:14:34,793 --> 00:14:36,137
WE GOT TO HURRY
REALLY FAST.
330
00:14:36,137 --> 00:14:38,896
WE GOT... WE GOT A FLAT TIRE.
331
00:14:38,896 --> 00:14:41,344
HOLD ON.
332
00:14:41,344 --> 00:14:42,620
GIVE ME A SECOND.
333
00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:43,827
MERI, I GRABBED YOUR BAG.
334
00:14:43,827 --> 00:14:46,344
OH, GIMME THIS.
WE GOT A FLAT TIRE.
335
00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:48,172
WHY DON'T WE JUST
TAKE MY CAR THEN?
336
00:14:48,172 --> 00:14:49,551
IT'S JUST AS BIG.
337
00:14:49,551 --> 00:14:52,137
I NEED AN ENGINE
THAT WILL PULL US,
338
00:14:52,137 --> 00:14:54,655
ALL THESE BIG PEOPLE,
UP THE MOUNTAIN.
339
00:14:54,655 --> 00:14:56,172
LET'S JUST GO. LET'S JUST GO.
340
00:14:56,172 --> 00:14:58,344
WOW. WE'VE BEEN READY
FOR AN HOUR.
341
00:14:58,344 --> 00:15:01,896
THE BUREAUCRACY WANTS
TO JUST WAIT FOR EVERYBODY
342
00:15:01,896 --> 00:15:04,137
WHILE THE TIRE GOES FLAT,
343
00:15:04,137 --> 00:15:09,620
SO THAT ONE PERSON CAN DO
ALL THE WORK TO FIX THE TIRE.
344
00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:12,413
NOW, I'VE GOT MERI MAD
AND I'VE GOT CHRISTINE MAD.
345
00:15:12,413 --> 00:15:14,965
GET IN THE CAR. LET'S GO.
346
00:15:14,965 --> 00:15:16,413
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH YOU. SO...
347
00:15:16,413 --> 00:15:19,000
OH, IT'S SUCH
A WONDERFUL...
348
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,310
I KNOW.
GOOD MORNING.
349
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:21,379
YUP, I KNOW.
350
00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:23,344
BE BARKED AT
THE SECOND I WALK IN.
351
00:15:23,344 --> 00:15:24,482
YEP. I KNOW.
352
00:15:24,482 --> 00:15:26,965
RIGHT THIS SECOND,
I WISH I HAD FLOWN.
353
00:15:26,965 --> 00:15:30,586
I'M THE ONE THAT IT JUST GOT
TAKEN OUT ON.
354
00:15:30,586 --> 00:15:32,896
MAKING ME REALLY EXCITED
ABOUT THIS TRIP
355
00:15:32,896 --> 00:15:34,655
IF THIS IS HOW
IT'S STARTING OFF.
356
00:15:36,758 --> 00:15:38,896
SO, SO JUST JUMP OUT
BECAUSE SHE'LL,
357
00:15:38,896 --> 00:15:41,448
SHE'LL HAVE TO JUMP
IN THE CAR FROM THERE.
358
00:15:41,448 --> 00:15:43,206
HOLY WOW, AM I GOING TO
FIT THIS IN THERE?
359
00:15:43,206 --> 00:15:44,517
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH,
YEAH, YEAH.
360
00:15:44,517 --> 00:15:46,758
HE PULLS UP AND HE'S LIKE,
"GET IN, GET IN, GET IN."
361
00:15:46,758 --> 00:15:48,724
AND HE SAID THAT
THE TIRE'S GOING FLAT
362
00:15:48,724 --> 00:15:51,931
AND I CAN SORT OF HEAR IT,
AND I'M LIKE,
363
00:15:51,931 --> 00:15:54,655
"OK, WHY DON'T WE
JUST GO FIX IT FIRST?"
364
00:15:54,655 --> 00:15:56,689
THIS IS ALL GOING TO WORK
JUST BEAUTIFULLY.
365
00:15:56,689 --> 00:16:00,172
OK, JUST EVERYBODY BE PATIENT.
DON'T MICRO-MANAGE ME.
366
00:16:00,172 --> 00:16:03,241
KODY JUST GETS REALLY INTENSE
AND REALLY ANGRY.
367
00:16:03,241 --> 00:16:09,551
HE'S JUST HIS BROW FURROWS
AND HE GETS ALL LIKE...
368
00:16:09,551 --> 00:16:12,241
COME ON, COME ON,
COME ON, COME ON.
369
00:16:12,241 --> 00:16:16,206
DON'T HURT MY CAR!
-WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING?
370
00:16:16,206 --> 00:16:17,931
I DON'T THINK THIS TRIP
IS STARTING OUT VERY WELL.
371
00:16:17,931 --> 00:16:20,896
I'M JUST SAYING, MAYBE THIS IS
WHY WE TAKE SEPARATE CARS!
372
00:16:20,896 --> 00:16:22,586
NOT GONNA LET THEM
PUSH ME AROUND.
373
00:16:22,586 --> 00:16:23,862
WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
374
00:16:23,862 --> 00:16:25,448
WE'RE NOT... OH, WOW.
375
00:16:25,448 --> 00:16:28,758
THIS IS FUN. TRAVELING WITH
A BUNCH OF BOSSY WOMEN.
376
00:16:28,758 --> 00:16:30,551
WE SHOULD CALL
NANCY ON THE WAY.
377
00:16:32,103 --> 00:16:35,689
NANCY IS OUR FAMILY THERAPIST,
AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET HER,
378
00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:40,068
BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW,
HE IS BEING SUPER RIDICULOUS.
379
00:16:40,068 --> 00:16:41,586
WHY DON'T WE JUST GO
PICK UP NANCY
380
00:16:41,586 --> 00:16:42,827
AND LET HER
COME WITH US?
381
00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:44,931
I DON'T KNOW
WHERE SHE WOULD FIT.
382
00:16:44,931 --> 00:16:49,448
SHE CAN SIT ON MY LAP.
I WOULD DO IT.
383
00:16:49,448 --> 00:16:51,482
SO I GET HERE TO THE TIRE SHOP.
384
00:16:51,482 --> 00:16:55,275
WE PARK THE CAR, THEY FIND
THE NAIL, YOU KNOW, THE HOLE,
385
00:16:55,275 --> 00:16:57,103
AND IT'S LIKE, THIS IS
GOING TO BE AN EASY FIX.
386
00:16:57,103 --> 00:16:59,620
I WISH YOU'D GET OVER
YOUR MINIVAN ISSUE,
387
00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:01,448
BECAUSE MY MINIVAN
HAS TONS OF LEGROOM
388
00:17:01,448 --> 00:17:03,965
IN EVERY SINGLE SEAT,
NOT JUST THE FRONT SEATS.
389
00:17:03,965 --> 00:17:06,758
I KNOW THAT WE WOULD ALL FIT IN
MY MINIVAN REALLY, REALLY WELL,
390
00:17:06,758 --> 00:17:08,965
AND WOULD TRAVEL REALLY WELL.
IT'S COMFORTABLE.
391
00:17:08,965 --> 00:17:14,068
ALL RIGHT. NEXT TIME. I MEAN...I'M JUST SAYING.
392
00:17:14,068 --> 00:17:17,068
ALL RIGHT, HE JUST DOESN'T THINK
A MINIVAN IS COOL.
393
00:17:17,068 --> 00:17:18,172
OK.
394
00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:20,241
THE TIRE IS UNREPAIRABLE,
COMPLETELY.
395
00:17:20,241 --> 00:17:21,482
THEY CAN'T FIX THE TIRE
396
00:17:21,482 --> 00:17:23,862
AND THEY DON'T HAVE
THAT SIZE TIRE HERE
397
00:17:23,862 --> 00:17:27,379
BECAUSE IT'S AN ODDITY.
SO HE'S SUGGESTING
398
00:17:27,379 --> 00:17:30,379
WE TAKE ANOTHER CAR
OUT OF TOWN COMPLETELY.
399
00:17:30,379 --> 00:17:33,000
SHE'S JUST MAKING AN ARGUMENT
FOR THE MINIVAN.
400
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,896
DIDN'T I SUGGEST THAT, LIKE,
401
00:17:35,896 --> 00:17:40,034
45 AGO?
WAS TO TAKE ANOTHER VEHICLE?
402
00:17:40,034 --> 00:17:42,448
ARE WE ALL GOING TO FIT
INTO ROBYN'S VAN?
403
00:17:42,448 --> 00:17:44,068
OR DO WE NEED TO
TAKE TWO CARS?
404
00:17:44,068 --> 00:17:45,137
NO, WE'LL ALL FIT
IN THE VAN.
405
00:17:45,137 --> 00:17:46,896
THE VAN HAS MORE
ROOM THAN THIS.
406
00:17:46,896 --> 00:17:51,275
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE REALLY
DON'T LIKE BEING TOGETHER,
407
00:17:51,275 --> 00:17:52,448
THE FIVE OF US.
408
00:17:52,448 --> 00:17:54,862
IT'S JUST -- LISTEN,
LET'S JUST BE HONEST.
409
00:17:54,862 --> 00:17:56,931
THERE'S NO REASON
FOR US TAKING TWO VEHICLES.
410
00:17:56,931 --> 00:17:58,310
-I AGREE.
-WE'RE ALL GOING THERE.
411
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:59,413
WE'RE ALL COMING RIGHT BACK.
412
00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:01,413
I AGREE. I'M JUST
SPITTING THINGS OUT.
413
00:18:01,413 --> 00:18:03,965
I COULD ALSO SPIT OUT,
WE CAN JUST CALL JOE
414
00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:07,310
ON THE PHONE. SPEAKER --
THAT'S NOT... OK.
415
00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:13,068
SEEING SOMEBODY IN PERSON
IS A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE
416
00:18:13,068 --> 00:18:14,724
THAN CHATTING WITH THEM
ON THE PHONE.
417
00:18:14,724 --> 00:18:16,724
SURE, CHRISTINE.
NEXT TIME YOU WANT ME OVER,
418
00:18:16,724 --> 00:18:18,034
I'M JUST GOING TO CALL YOU
ON THE PHONE.
419
00:18:18,034 --> 00:18:19,172
HOW'S THAT SOUND?
420
00:18:19,172 --> 00:18:21,103
BUT YOU --
WHERE ARE YOU SITTING?
421
00:18:21,103 --> 00:18:22,827
WELL, I THOUGHT
YOU WERE SITTING...
422
00:18:22,827 --> 00:18:24,793
DOES IT MATTER?
NO.
423
00:18:24,793 --> 00:18:26,827
WHY DON'T YOU
TAKE THE FRONT FIRST?
424
00:18:26,827 --> 00:18:28,448
NO. ROBYN CAN TAKE
THE FRONT SEAT --
425
00:18:28,448 --> 00:18:30,965
SHE CAN SIT BY
MR. ORNERY GRUMPY PANTS.
426
00:18:30,965 --> 00:18:32,137
THAT'S A POLYGAMY PERK --
427
00:18:32,137 --> 00:18:34,172
I DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL
WITH KODY RIGHT NOW.
428
00:18:34,172 --> 00:18:38,068
AND SINCE I CAN'T KICK HIM OUT,
ROBYN CAN TAKE CARE OF HIM.
429
00:18:38,068 --> 00:18:40,793
DOES IT NEED TO BE ON
80 DEGREES, REALLY, CHRISTINE?
430
00:18:40,793 --> 00:18:42,275
ARE YOU WARMED UP YET?
431
00:18:44,448 --> 00:18:46,517
I THINK FOR ME,
THE BIGGEST FEAR
432
00:18:46,517 --> 00:18:48,482
ABOUT GOING BACK INTO UTAH --
433
00:18:48,482 --> 00:18:51,413
IF WE'RE PULLED OVER
FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION,
434
00:18:51,413 --> 00:18:53,862
ARE THEY GOING TO USE IT
AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TACK ON
435
00:18:53,862 --> 00:18:55,586
THE FELONY POLYGAMY CHARGE?
436
00:18:55,586 --> 00:18:57,000
BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY
HOW IT WORKS --
437
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,241
THEY GET YOU FOR SOMETHING ELSE
AND THEN THEY SAY,
438
00:18:59,241 --> 00:19:01,793
OH, THEY ADD IT ON.
IT'S AN AUGMENTER.
439
00:19:01,793 --> 00:19:03,793
I'M ALWAYS LIKE,
"DON'T SPEAK KODY, DON'T SPEAK."
440
00:19:03,793 --> 00:19:06,206
IT'S DUMB,
BUT IT IS A REAL FEAR.
441
00:19:06,206 --> 00:19:09,344
WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN OUT
OF FLAGSTAFF YET.
442
00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:10,793
SURE WE ARE.
443
00:19:10,793 --> 00:19:12,793
OH, NO, WE'RE STILL
IN CITY LIMITS, I THINK.
444
00:19:12,793 --> 00:19:14,931
OH, SHH.
OK, SHH.
445
00:19:14,931 --> 00:19:17,724
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE,
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE GOING
446
00:19:17,724 --> 00:19:22,034
TO A PLACE WHERE
YOUR FAMILY IS ILLEGAL.
447
00:19:22,034 --> 00:19:26,310
IT JUST FEELS OPPRESSIVE.
IT ALWAYS MAKES ME WORRY.
448
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:28,413
IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE THING
TO DO.
449
00:19:32,793 --> 00:19:34,758
YOU KNOW, THE DARGERS
LIVE UNDER ONE ROOF.
450
00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:37,034
THEY JUST HAVE FIGURED OUT
HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
451
00:19:37,034 --> 00:19:38,965
JOE WANTS AN
ACTUALLY HIS BEDROOM.
452
00:19:38,965 --> 00:19:40,344
I WANT MY OWN BEDROOM.
-HE WANTS A BEDROOM.
453
00:19:42,068 --> 00:19:44,206
-YOU WANT YOUR OWN BEDROOM?
-I'M THERE.
454
00:19:44,206 --> 00:19:46,689
YOU'LL SURVIVE
IF I CAN SURVIVE SHARING YOU
455
00:19:46,689 --> 00:19:48,551
AND DEALING WITH THE JEALOUSY
456
00:19:48,551 --> 00:19:51,862
AND THE DRAMA,
THEN YOU'LL BE OK.
457
00:20:05,965 --> 00:20:07,827
WE GOT HERE ABOUT
11:00 LAST NIGHT.
458
00:20:07,827 --> 00:20:09,310
DESPITE KODY'S MISGIVINGS,
459
00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:11,310
THE VAN HANDLED FINE.
WE DID GREAT.
460
00:20:13,241 --> 00:20:15,310
THANK YOU.
CAREFUL.
461
00:20:15,310 --> 00:20:17,482
I THINK WE HAD SOME REALLY
GOOD CONVERSATIONS.
462
00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:19,310
EVERYTHING FROM DOES
KODY REALLY HAVE
463
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:21,241
TO PUT THE TOILET SEAT
UP OR DOWN
464
00:20:21,241 --> 00:20:22,655
TO WHAT THE KIDS WERE DOING.
465
00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:26,103
IF WE PUT US ALL IN THE VAN
TOGETHER WITH NOTHING TO DO,
466
00:20:26,103 --> 00:20:27,482
THEN WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS,
467
00:20:27,482 --> 00:20:29,862
AND THERE WAS A LOT
OF REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.
468
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:31,793
-HI!
-HI!
469
00:20:31,793 --> 00:20:34,310
COME ON IN!
470
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:36,862
THE DARGERS ARE OUR REALLY,
REALLY, REALLY GOOD FRIENDS.
471
00:20:36,862 --> 00:20:38,827
OH, MY GOSH, I LOVE THEM.
THEY'RE SO COOL.
472
00:20:38,827 --> 00:20:40,517
-HEY!
-WELL, HELLO.
473
00:20:40,517 --> 00:20:41,689
THEY'RE HERE!
474
00:20:41,689 --> 00:20:43,689
-HI!
-OH, HI BABY!
475
00:20:43,689 --> 00:20:45,068
-WOW!
-OH.
476
00:20:45,068 --> 00:20:46,206
GOSH, YOU LOOK GOOD.
477
00:20:46,206 --> 00:20:48,448
WOW!
478
00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:52,103
JOE MARRIED ALINA
AND VICKY FOREVER AGO,
479
00:20:52,103 --> 00:20:55,310
AND THEN YEARS AND YEARS LATER,
VAL WAS MARRIED,
480
00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:57,724
SHE GOT A DIVORCE FROM
HER HUSBAND AND SHE MARRIED JOE.
481
00:20:57,724 --> 00:20:59,413
THAT'S VICKY'S SISTER.
482
00:20:59,413 --> 00:21:02,344
IT'S A NORMAL THING FOR YOU
AND YOUR GIRLFRIENDS
483
00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:04,965
TO WANT TO MARRY THE SAME GUY.
IT'S A NORMAL THING FOR YOU
484
00:21:04,965 --> 00:21:06,965
AND YOUR SISTERS WANT
TO MARRY THE SAME GUY.
485
00:21:06,965 --> 00:21:09,793
NORMAL.
IT'S NORMAL IN MY COMMUNITY.
486
00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:11,448
NICE TO SEE YOU.
HOW ARE YOU?
487
00:21:11,448 --> 00:21:13,275
JUST CUT THE HAIR?
488
00:21:13,275 --> 00:21:16,896
IT'S JUST -- IT WAS
JUST A MESS BEFORE, SO...
489
00:21:16,896 --> 00:21:19,482
I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY
UNCOMMON FOR SISTERS
490
00:21:19,482 --> 00:21:21,793
TO END UP
IN THE SAME FAMILY UNIT.
491
00:21:21,793 --> 00:21:23,413
BUT IT'S VERY EMPOWERING
AS A WOMAN,
492
00:21:23,413 --> 00:21:25,931
BECAUSE IF I SEE A MAN
WHO'S A GREAT HUSBAND
493
00:21:25,931 --> 00:21:27,965
AND A GREAT FATHER,
AND I FEEL SPIRITUALLY INCLINED
494
00:21:27,965 --> 00:21:29,310
THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE
IN THEIR FAMILY,
495
00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:31,137
EVEN IF HE IS MARRIED
TO MY SISTER,
496
00:21:31,137 --> 00:21:32,413
I CAN STILL MARRY HIM.
497
00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:34,793
WELL, HOW MANY KIDS YOU GUYS
STILL HAVE HOME NOW?
498
00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:36,586
NINE.
-NINE AT HOME IS ALL.
499
00:21:36,586 --> 00:21:38,931
OUR BABY IS SIX AND IN
KINDERGARTEN NOW.
500
00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:40,758
NO WAY!
ISN'T THAT WEIRD?
501
00:21:40,758 --> 00:21:42,344
YES, IT'S WEIRD.
502
00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:43,275
HOW DOES THAT
MAKE YOU FEEL, JOE?
503
00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:44,724
WE'VE GOT TO
TALK ABOUT THAT
504
00:21:44,724 --> 00:21:46,931
BECAUSE I'M LIKE,
DO I...
505
00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:49,931
IS IT TIME TO GROW UP
AND STOP HAVING CHILDREN
506
00:21:49,931 --> 00:21:52,517
OR CAN I HAVE ONE MORE?
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
507
00:21:52,517 --> 00:21:53,862
YOU'VE GOT --
YOU'RE HAVING THAT --
508
00:21:53,862 --> 00:21:54,827
YOU COULDN'T PASS
A GOLF BALL.
509
00:21:54,827 --> 00:21:56,137
WHAT ARE YOU
TALKING ABOUT?
510
00:21:57,758 --> 00:21:59,586
KODY IS TALKING RIGHT NOW
511
00:21:59,586 --> 00:22:02,517
LIKE HE ACTUALLY
BIRTHS THESE CHILDREN.
512
00:22:02,517 --> 00:22:04,482
LIKE HE'S DECIDING WHETHER
513
00:22:04,482 --> 00:22:06,000
OR NOT HE SHOULD
HAVE MORE CHILDREN --
514
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,724
I'M LIKE, WELL, IT'S LIKE,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARTNER.
515
00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:11,379
I GOT TEAMMATES.
516
00:22:11,379 --> 00:22:14,896
OK, GO HAVE
A CONVERSATION.
517
00:22:14,896 --> 00:22:17,758
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT
THE OTHER WIVES ARE DONE,
518
00:22:17,758 --> 00:22:21,413
SO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ME
AND MY REPRODUCTION
519
00:22:21,413 --> 00:22:23,172
IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
520
00:22:23,172 --> 00:22:27,275
DUDE, LIKE I'M RIGHT HERE.
THIS ISN'T AN OPEN CONVERSATION.
521
00:22:27,275 --> 00:22:31,241
IT'S BEEN A FUNNY THING FOR ME
TO SIT HERE AND GO,
522
00:22:31,241 --> 00:22:35,482
I COULD BE DONE HAVING KIDS,
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW,
523
00:22:35,482 --> 00:22:37,758
FOR REALLY 45 YEARS OF MY LIFE,
524
00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:40,241
I'VE BEEN THINKING
"I'M GOING TO BE A DADDY."
525
00:22:40,241 --> 00:22:41,551
YOU KNOW, FROM THE TIME
I WAS SMALL,
526
00:22:41,551 --> 00:22:44,034
I THOUGHT, WHAT KIND OF DAD
AM I GOING TO BE?
527
00:22:44,034 --> 00:22:45,931
HOW MANY KIDS WILL I HAVE?
528
00:22:45,931 --> 00:22:48,724
AND IT JUST KEEPS KIND OF
COMING BACK ON ME,
529
00:22:48,724 --> 00:22:51,551
THIS THOUGHT --
COULD I HAVE ONE MORE?
530
00:22:51,551 --> 00:22:54,344
FOR ME, THE REWARD HAS BEEN
THE GRANDCHILDREN.
531
00:22:54,344 --> 00:22:55,827
LIKE, IT'S
SO FULFILLING.
532
00:22:55,827 --> 00:22:57,344
AND THEN...
533
00:22:57,344 --> 00:22:59,689
BUT OUR SIX-YEAR-OLD
STILL WANTS A BABY SISTER
534
00:22:59,689 --> 00:23:01,103
BECAUSE SHE SEES OTHER PEOPLE
GETTING BABY SISTERS.
535
00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:02,689
SHE KEEPS TRYING TO
FIND ME ANOTHER WIFE.
536
00:23:02,689 --> 00:23:05,655
MY SIX-YEAR-OLD WANTS TO FIND --
LIKE, "SHE COULD BE OUR MOM,
537
00:23:05,655 --> 00:23:06,931
BECAUSE I WANT A SISTER."
538
00:23:06,931 --> 00:23:09,689
-OH, THAT'S FUNNY.
-YEAH, SHE ASKED ALL OF US.
539
00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:12,344
AND WE'RE LIKE...
EQUIPMENT'S DONE. WE'RE DONE.
540
00:23:13,896 --> 00:23:19,344
I WISH THAT KODY HAD
MORE EXPOSURE TO FRIENDS
541
00:23:19,344 --> 00:23:22,862
THAT WERE POLYGAMISTS.
542
00:23:22,862 --> 00:23:24,827
THERE'S A CAMARADERIE,
543
00:23:24,827 --> 00:23:29,275
THERE'S EXAMPLES
THAT CAN BE SET FOR EACH OTHER.
544
00:23:29,275 --> 00:23:31,034
IT JUST WOULD BE A GOOD THING,
545
00:23:31,034 --> 00:23:33,344
AND WE'VE BEEN MISSING THAT
FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
546
00:23:33,344 --> 00:23:35,655
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER
GET IT BACK,
547
00:23:35,655 --> 00:23:37,827
BECAUSE WE LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF
AND IT'S NOT LIKE
548
00:23:37,827 --> 00:23:42,172
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH
PLURAL FAMILIES AND FLAGS OUT.
549
00:23:42,172 --> 00:23:43,482
YOUR KITCHEN'S
AWESOME.
550
00:23:43,482 --> 00:23:44,379
YOU GUYS DID
YOUR OWN KITCHEN?
551
00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:46,827
YEAH.
-IT'S REALLY AWESOME.
552
00:23:46,827 --> 00:23:49,275
PART OF WHAT DROVE THIS
IS THE CHANGING OF OUR FAMILY
553
00:23:49,275 --> 00:23:51,965
WHERE WE WANTED
MORE OPEN SPACE.
554
00:23:51,965 --> 00:23:53,793
BECAUSE THE FAMILY'S
ACTUALLY GROWING, RIGHT?
555
00:23:53,793 --> 00:23:55,172
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I COULD SEE THAT.
556
00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:57,034
YOU KNOW, THE DARGERS
LIVE UNDER ONE ROOF.
557
00:23:57,034 --> 00:23:58,482
THEY SHARE A KITCHEN,
558
00:23:58,482 --> 00:24:00,724
WHICH, WOW, MY HAT'S OFF
TO THEM.
559
00:24:00,724 --> 00:24:04,068
THEY JUST HAVE FIGURED OUT
HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
560
00:24:04,068 --> 00:24:06,344
LOT OF FAMILIES CAN'T.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.
561
00:24:06,344 --> 00:24:09,034
EVEN WE'RE CONTEMPLATING
WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD
562
00:24:09,034 --> 00:24:12,172
FOR OUR FINAL DREAM HOME.
I WANT TO DESIGN OUR HOUSE
563
00:24:12,172 --> 00:24:15,482
WHERE WE HAVE STILL A CENTRAL
KITCHEN THAT WE ALL SHARE,
564
00:24:15,482 --> 00:24:17,344
BUT THEN EACH OF THESE GUYS
565
00:24:17,344 --> 00:24:18,965
WITH THEIR OWN
LITTLE KIND OF APARTMENT
566
00:24:18,965 --> 00:24:20,310
AND THEN MORE
SOME APARTMENTS...
567
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:21,896
AND JOE WANTS AN
ACTUALLY HIS BEDROOM.
568
00:24:21,896 --> 00:24:23,275
I WANT MY OWN
BEDROOM.
569
00:24:26,034 --> 00:24:30,896
SO PLURAL MEN NEVER GET THERE
ALONE TIME, BUT PLURAL WOMEN DO.
570
00:24:30,896 --> 00:24:35,965
I THINK PLURAL HUSBANDS
GET JEALOUS OF THE TIME
571
00:24:35,965 --> 00:24:39,275
THAT THE PLURAL WIVES
HAVE TO THEMSELVES.
572
00:24:39,275 --> 00:24:41,000
-YOU WANT YOUR OWN BEDROOM?
-I'M THERE.
573
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,241
I'M LIKE, OK...
574
00:24:42,241 --> 00:24:44,517
I AM SICK OF
GOING TO THREE CLOSETS.
575
00:24:44,517 --> 00:24:47,310
I'LL NEVER GET THAT.
THAT'LL NEVER BE ALLOWED.
576
00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:48,827
YEAH. OH, SURE.
577
00:24:48,827 --> 00:24:52,103
I'M, I'M TIRED OF DEALING
WITH WIVES AND THEIR CLOSETS
578
00:24:52,103 --> 00:24:54,103
AND STUFF LIKE THAT,
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
579
00:24:54,103 --> 00:24:57,310
YOU'LL SURVIVE IF I CAN SURVIVE
SHARING YOU AND DEALING
580
00:24:57,310 --> 00:25:00,862
WITH THE JEALOUSY AND THE DRAMA
AND ALL THE STUFF THAT HAS TO DO
581
00:25:00,862 --> 00:25:03,448
WITH PLURAL MARRIAGE,
THEN YOU'LL BE OK.
582
00:25:03,448 --> 00:25:05,862
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU,
MAN.
583
00:25:05,862 --> 00:25:07,689
I THINK ONE OF
OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS
584
00:25:07,689 --> 00:25:09,413
IS WE DON'T HAVE OTHER
POLYGAMISTS
585
00:25:09,413 --> 00:25:10,862
TO FELLOWSHIP WITH.
586
00:25:10,862 --> 00:25:12,275
THERE IS SOMETHING...
587
00:25:12,275 --> 00:25:14,896
THERE'S ALMOST
A HOMEY LITTLE SAFETY
588
00:25:14,896 --> 00:25:16,862
WHEN WE SEE YOU GUYS
589
00:25:16,862 --> 00:25:19,965
THAT JUST
MAKES ME EMOTIONAL --
590
00:25:19,965 --> 00:25:22,827
IT'S LIKE
SEEING RELATIVES.
591
00:25:22,827 --> 00:25:25,448
IT'S HARD BEING AWAY
FROM OTHER POLYGAMISTS.
592
00:25:25,448 --> 00:25:28,551
IT'S SO DIFFERENT.
593
00:25:28,551 --> 00:25:30,517
YEAH. THERE'S
A CERTAIN CULTURAL,
594
00:25:30,517 --> 00:25:31,965
AND JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
595
00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:33,793
YOU JUST KNOW WHEN
PEOPLE GET IT, YOU KNOW?
596
00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:35,000
YEAH.
597
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,724
OUR FAMILY, WE'RE SEPARATING
AND SEPARATING,
598
00:25:38,724 --> 00:25:44,068
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE
INTERACTING MORE WITH PEOPLE
599
00:25:44,068 --> 00:25:47,137
WHO ARE NOT A PLURAL FAMILY,
SO THEY DON'T GET IT,
600
00:25:47,137 --> 00:25:52,586
SO WE'RE STARTING
TO REACT MORE LIKE...
601
00:25:52,586 --> 00:25:55,965
AN INDIVIDUAL FAMILY, YOU KNOW,
THERE WAS A TIME
602
00:25:55,965 --> 00:26:01,413
THAT WE REALLY PULLED TOGETHER,
AND WE STRUGGLED TOGETHER,
603
00:26:01,413 --> 00:26:03,655
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE
STRUGGLING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.
604
00:26:03,655 --> 00:26:07,206
WE'RE STRUGGLING
INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER.
605
00:26:07,206 --> 00:26:11,448
IT WOULD BE COOL
IF IT WASN'T THAT WAY.
606
00:26:11,448 --> 00:26:14,724
WE COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM
BEING WITH OTHER POLYGAMISTS.
607
00:26:14,724 --> 00:26:17,482
YOU KNOW, WE'VE LIVED IN
A MONOGAMOUS WORLD FOR SO LONG.
608
00:26:17,482 --> 00:26:20,551
AND IT'S HARD. IT'S HARD.
609
00:26:20,551 --> 00:26:23,724
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE SHOULD MOVE
BACK OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
610
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,586
I UNDERSTAND KODY'S
WANTING EVERYONE TOGETHER,
611
00:26:29,586 --> 00:26:31,689
BECAUSE I THINK
THE CONS SEEM PETTY TO ME.
612
00:26:31,689 --> 00:26:33,206
I HATE THIS CONVERSATION.
613
00:26:33,206 --> 00:26:35,103
I DON'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT
THE ONE HOUSE --
614
00:26:35,103 --> 00:26:36,448
IT'S VERY VULNERABLE.
615
00:26:36,448 --> 00:26:39,310
FOR ME, THE AMAZING THING
HAS BEEN
616
00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:41,793
THE INTERACTION
WITH ALL OF THE KIDS.
617
00:26:41,793 --> 00:26:43,862
I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE
TO NOT HAVE THAT.
618
00:26:43,862 --> 00:26:46,862
I'M JUST GOING TO BE FRANK HERE,
I'M LIKE A STEP-MOM.
619
00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:10,034
TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT WITH YOUR HOUSES,
620
00:27:10,034 --> 00:27:13,241
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
WHEN YOU BUILD?
621
00:27:13,241 --> 00:27:14,724
I PRESENT THE FAMILY
THE IDEA
622
00:27:14,724 --> 00:27:17,724
OF A ONE HOME.
FOR COMMON AREA,
623
00:27:17,724 --> 00:27:19,034
WE WOULD HAVE
ANOTHER KITCHEN,
624
00:27:19,034 --> 00:27:20,344
ABOUT LIKE THIS,
625
00:27:20,344 --> 00:27:21,655
THAT WOULD MAKE IT
SO ALL THE KIDS
626
00:27:21,655 --> 00:27:23,724
AND ALL THE WIVES
COULD CONVERGE ON
627
00:27:23,724 --> 00:27:25,344
A COMMON AREA.
628
00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:27,137
I THOUGHT IT WAS
A GENIUS DESIGN.
629
00:27:27,137 --> 00:27:28,517
I LOVE IT. I THINK
THAT'S ACTUALLY
630
00:27:28,517 --> 00:27:30,206
REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US
TO BE ABLE TO GATHER
631
00:27:30,206 --> 00:27:32,448
ALL TOGETHER AND HAVE
THE SPACE TO DO THAT.
632
00:27:32,448 --> 00:27:35,000
I'M NOT PITCHIN', I'M BITCHIN'.
633
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,137
THERE'S A SENSE IN ME
THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK,
634
00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:41,275
BUT I REALLY
AND TRULY WANT TO KNOW WHY,
635
00:27:41,275 --> 00:27:43,344
AND I WANT TO BE HONEST
ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIPS.
636
00:27:43,344 --> 00:27:44,827
MY WHOLE LIFE,
I'VE BEEN UNDER
637
00:27:44,827 --> 00:27:46,896
WHAT I WANT TO CALL
THE DOGMA
638
00:27:46,896 --> 00:27:48,793
THAT IF YOU'RE ONE FAMILY,
639
00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:50,000
YOU NEED TO BE ONE HOME.
640
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,310
TO GROW AS
A CELESTIAL FAMILY.
641
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:53,965
IT'S NOT ABOUT
GROWTH. FOR ME,
642
00:27:53,965 --> 00:27:56,862
I JUST REALLY WANTED
643
00:27:56,862 --> 00:27:58,931
ACCESS TO ALL MY CHILDREN
EVERY DAY.
644
00:27:58,931 --> 00:28:01,172
WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I WAS TAUGHT
THAT THE RIGHT WAY
645
00:28:01,172 --> 00:28:04,275
TO LIVE PLURAL MARRIAGE
WAS TO LIVE ALL TOGETHER.
646
00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:07,172
NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THOUGH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THOUGH.
647
00:28:07,172 --> 00:28:08,586
IT'S TAUGHT THAT
MAYBE YOU SHOULD --
648
00:28:08,586 --> 00:28:11,103
THAT WAS WHEN I WAS WAY YOUNGER
AND I UNDERSTOOD THINGS
649
00:28:11,103 --> 00:28:14,758
MORE BLACK AND WHITE AS WELL.
MY PARENTS DIDN'T.
650
00:28:14,758 --> 00:28:16,379
THE EXAMPLE THAT I HAD FOR
PLURAL MARRIAGE
651
00:28:16,379 --> 00:28:17,931
DIDN'T LIVE TOGETHER.
652
00:28:17,931 --> 00:28:21,758
BUT IN JUST CONVERSATIONS
WITH CHRISTINE,
653
00:28:21,758 --> 00:28:24,689
I REALIZED
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE
654
00:28:24,689 --> 00:28:28,586
I HAD TO OPEN MY MIND AND GO,
"THIS IS A DOGMA."
655
00:28:28,586 --> 00:28:30,862
A DOGMA IS
A RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE
656
00:28:30,862 --> 00:28:33,758
THAT HAS BEEN CREATED
THROUGH TRADITION.
657
00:28:33,758 --> 00:28:35,827
BUT IF YOU'RE IN LOVE WITH TWO
WOMEN AND YOU'RE MARRIED TO THEM
658
00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:38,137
AND THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE
EACH OTHER,
659
00:28:38,137 --> 00:28:41,862
HAVING THEM LIVE TOGETHER
WOULD BE SOUL-KILLING FOR THEM.
660
00:28:41,862 --> 00:28:45,758
I'M USING THAT AS EXAMPLE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IN MY CASE.
661
00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:48,793
SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
662
00:28:48,793 --> 00:28:50,275
WE DON'T WANT TO KILL --
663
00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:53,482
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE
LIVING IN PLURAL MARRIAGE
664
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:57,689
AND ENDURING THEIR FRESH HELL
SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO HEAVEN.
665
00:28:57,689 --> 00:29:00,517
WHAT IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO,
THOUGH, IS LIKE IF WE'RE NOT
666
00:29:00,517 --> 00:29:03,413
ALL UNITED IN THIS IDEA,
THEN IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
667
00:29:03,413 --> 00:29:04,551
SO IT DOESN'T
REALLY MATTER.
668
00:29:04,551 --> 00:29:05,551
I'M SURE IT DOESN'T.
669
00:29:05,551 --> 00:29:07,689
IF IT DOESN'T WORK
FOR ONE PERSON...
670
00:29:07,689 --> 00:29:09,000
IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM.
671
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,137
AND CHRISTINE AND I HAVE HAD
OUR LITTLE STRUGGLE,
672
00:29:11,137 --> 00:29:12,241
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK
FOR HER...
673
00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:14,793
IT WASN'T A LITTLE
STRUGGLE, MIND YOU.
674
00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:21,275
WE'RE BOTH PRETTY HEATED
ABOUT IT AND HAVEN'T HAD
675
00:29:21,275 --> 00:29:26,862
A REAL LOGICAL CONVERSATION
ABOUT ONE HOUSE
676
00:29:26,862 --> 00:29:28,344
AND HOW BAD I HATE IT.
677
00:29:28,344 --> 00:29:30,896
SO WE STILL NEED
TO TALK ABOUT IT.
678
00:29:30,896 --> 00:29:33,793
IF YOU'RE NOT READY, FORCING
A CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN,
679
00:29:33,793 --> 00:29:34,965
IT NEVER GOES WELL.
680
00:29:34,965 --> 00:29:36,620
WELL, I'VE ACTUALLY
LIVED TOGETHER
681
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:37,793
AND LIVED APART,
682
00:29:37,793 --> 00:29:41,206
AND THERE ARE PROS
AND CONS TO BOTH.
683
00:29:41,206 --> 00:29:42,586
LIKE, IT JUST IS.
684
00:29:42,586 --> 00:29:44,206
LIKE SOME PEOPLE THINK
IF YOU LIVE APART,
685
00:29:44,206 --> 00:29:45,206
THEN YOU DON'T HAVE
ANY PROBLEMS
686
00:29:45,206 --> 00:29:46,758
OR ISSUES
WITH EACH OTHER.
687
00:29:46,758 --> 00:29:48,068
WE ALL KNOW THAT'S
NOT TRUE, RIGHT?
688
00:29:48,068 --> 00:29:49,586
YOU MAKE MORE UP
IN YOUR HEAD
689
00:29:49,586 --> 00:29:51,137
WHEN YOU'RE LIVING APART,
DON'T YOU?
690
00:29:53,275 --> 00:29:55,379
I'M REALLY GRATEFUL
TO BE ABLE TO LIVE
691
00:29:55,379 --> 00:29:57,482
IN THE HOUSE WE DO
ALL TOGETHER.
692
00:29:57,482 --> 00:30:00,172
I THINK THAT THE BENEFITS
OUTWEIGH THE CHALLENGES,
693
00:30:00,172 --> 00:30:02,000
IF YOU ASK ME.
AND I THINK THE MORE TIME
694
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,724
WE SPEND IN CONTACT
WITH ONE ANOTHER,
695
00:30:04,724 --> 00:30:07,758
WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE COMPASSION
AND MORE UNDERSTANDING
696
00:30:07,758 --> 00:30:09,448
AND CARING THAN WE WOULD
697
00:30:09,448 --> 00:30:11,241
IF WE JUST DIDN'T SEE
EACH OTHER AS OFTEN
698
00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:13,344
AND IT WAS JUST
KIND OF VISITING.
699
00:30:13,344 --> 00:30:14,344
IN FACT,
I WONDER HOW MUCH
700
00:30:14,344 --> 00:30:16,344
WE'D EVEN GET TOGETHER
SOMETIMES.
701
00:30:16,344 --> 00:30:17,379
AND THEN WHEN
YOU'RE TOGETHER,
702
00:30:17,379 --> 00:30:19,448
IT MAKES YOU DEAL
WITH IT A LOT MORE,
703
00:30:19,448 --> 00:30:20,241
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
704
00:30:20,241 --> 00:30:22,172
LIKE, AND I'M NOT SAYING
705
00:30:22,172 --> 00:30:23,448
MAKES YOU LIKE YOU
HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT,
706
00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:24,827
BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE
YOU'RE HERE
707
00:30:24,827 --> 00:30:26,482
AND NOW YOU'RE
IN THIS CONVERSATION.
708
00:30:26,482 --> 00:30:27,655
IT'S WEIRD IF
WE WALK AROUND
709
00:30:27,655 --> 00:30:28,931
NOT TALKING TO
EACH OTHER,
710
00:30:28,931 --> 00:30:30,551
WHICH WE HAVE
FOR WEEKS ON END.
711
00:30:30,551 --> 00:30:31,379
BUT, YOU KNOW.
712
00:30:32,689 --> 00:30:35,758
HONESTLY, THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT I HAVE NOTICED
713
00:30:35,758 --> 00:30:37,724
ABOUT OUR FAMILY --
WHEN YOU'RE NOT TOGETHER,
714
00:30:37,724 --> 00:30:41,310
YOU DON'T DEAL WITH IT
BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
715
00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:43,862
IT'S LONELY,
YOU KNOW.
716
00:30:43,862 --> 00:30:46,655
I UNDERSTAND KODY'S
WANTING EVERYONE TOGETHER
717
00:30:46,655 --> 00:30:48,965
BECAUSE I THINK THE PROS
ARE SO MUCH STRONGER, FOR ME.
718
00:30:48,965 --> 00:30:52,517
TO BE ABLE TO BE WITH
MY KIDS IN ONE HOME
719
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,586
AND NOT FEELING LIKE
I'M GOING INTO
720
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,758
THREE DIFFERENT DOMAINS.
721
00:30:56,758 --> 00:30:58,517
AND THE CONS
SEEM PETTY, TO ME,
722
00:30:58,517 --> 00:31:00,137
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
723
00:31:00,137 --> 00:31:01,862
AND AT THE SAME TIME,
724
00:31:01,862 --> 00:31:03,586
THAT'S REALLY SELFISH
ON MY PART,
725
00:31:03,586 --> 00:31:05,068
BECAUSE IT TAKES
A LOT MORE
726
00:31:05,068 --> 00:31:06,689
FOR WHAT THEY HAVE
TO WORK IN.
727
00:31:06,689 --> 00:31:08,206
I MEAN, THEY'VE SAID BEFORE
THE HARDEST THING
728
00:31:08,206 --> 00:31:09,655
WAS SHARING
A WASHING MACHINE
729
00:31:09,655 --> 00:31:11,413
SOMETIMES,
YOU KNOW, LIKE...
730
00:31:11,413 --> 00:31:13,206
I HATE
THIS CONVERSATION --
731
00:31:13,206 --> 00:31:14,689
IT'S VERY VULNERABLE,
732
00:31:14,689 --> 00:31:17,068
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIKE
LIVING ALL TOGETHER.
733
00:31:17,068 --> 00:31:21,172
AND IT'S TOO HARD.
IT'S WAY TOO HARD.
734
00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:25,275
FOR ME, THE AMAZING THING
HAS BEEN THE INTERACTION
735
00:31:25,275 --> 00:31:26,724
WITH ALL OF THE KIDS,
736
00:31:26,724 --> 00:31:28,034
I GET TO BE PART OF
THEIR LIVES
737
00:31:28,034 --> 00:31:29,310
AND THEY GET TO BE
PART OF MINE,
738
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:31,758
AND I LOVE IT ON MY BIRTHDAY
WHEN THEY TALK TO ME
739
00:31:31,758 --> 00:31:33,586
AND TELL ME HOW MUCH FUN
IT IS TO LIVE WITH ME
740
00:31:33,586 --> 00:31:36,034
AND THEY'RE NOT
MY BIOLOGICAL KID.
741
00:31:36,034 --> 00:31:37,931
IT REALLY PRICKED
MY HEART BECAUSE I KNOW
742
00:31:37,931 --> 00:31:40,482
WHAT IT'S LIKE
TO NOT HAVE THAT.
743
00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:44,241
I'M JUST GOING TO BE FRANK HERE,
I'M LIKE A STEP-MOM.
744
00:31:44,241 --> 00:31:48,034
I WILL ALWAYS WANT AND PROMOTE
THOSE RELATIONSHIPS
745
00:31:48,034 --> 00:31:49,896
AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN,
746
00:31:49,896 --> 00:31:54,655
BUT IT HAS BEEN A SOURCE
OF SADNESS FOR ME.
747
00:31:54,655 --> 00:31:58,724
MY CHILDREN THAT GREW UP UNDER
ONE ROOF WILL GO, FOR EXAMPLE,
748
00:31:58,724 --> 00:32:01,172
TO CHRISTINE'S HOUSE AND THEY'RE
LOOKING IN THE FRIDGE,
749
00:32:01,172 --> 00:32:03,827
IT'S VERY COMFORTABLE FOR THEM,
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE
750
00:32:03,827 --> 00:32:05,965
THAT SAME EXPERIENCE
GOING TO ROBYN'S HOUSE
751
00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:08,448
BECAUSE THEY NEVER LIVED
UNDER THE SAME ROOF WITH HER.
752
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,965
IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN YOU LIVE TOGETHER.
753
00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:13,241
WE'RE JUST TALKING
ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE.
754
00:32:13,241 --> 00:32:14,689
I WOULDN'T WANT
TO CONVINCE ANYBODY.
755
00:32:14,689 --> 00:32:16,827
AND I WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY
WITH WHERE YOU'RE AT.
756
00:32:16,827 --> 00:32:19,965
THAT'S WHAT I WANT, THOUGH.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING
757
00:32:19,965 --> 00:32:22,793
TO SORT OF MAKE PEACE
WITH WHAT'S BEEN DECIDED. YEAH.
758
00:32:22,793 --> 00:32:26,068
IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THING
LIVING TOGETHER IN ONE HOME.
759
00:32:26,068 --> 00:32:27,344
THERE'S GROWTH THERE
760
00:32:27,344 --> 00:32:29,896
THAT YOU CAN'T GET
IF YOU'RE LIVING APART.
761
00:32:29,896 --> 00:32:33,586
I'M REALIZING THAT I WILL NEVER
HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE.
762
00:32:33,586 --> 00:32:35,793
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON --
OF RECENT I'VE HAD TO REALLY
763
00:32:35,793 --> 00:32:38,379
REFLECT ON THE ONE HOME THING.
764
00:32:38,379 --> 00:32:39,620
IT BOTHERS ME DEEPLY,
765
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:42,068
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE
I'VE DONE SUCH A POOR JOB
766
00:32:42,068 --> 00:32:47,931
BECAUSE MY FAMILY
DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN ONE HOME.
767
00:32:47,931 --> 00:32:50,206
AND SO THAT'S BEEN A REAL
REFLECTION ON ME
768
00:32:50,206 --> 00:32:53,275
FOR HOW I'VE MANAGED MY FAMILY,
HOW I'VE DONE THINGS.
769
00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:56,827
AND I'M GOING BACK THROUGH
THE PAST AND I AM UNRAVELING IT.
770
00:32:57,827 --> 00:32:59,137
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST
THAT MADE IT
771
00:32:59,137 --> 00:33:01,206
SO WE COULDN'T BE IN ONE HOME?
772
00:33:01,206 --> 00:33:04,965
WHAT DID I MISS?
WHAT INJUSTICE WAS I ALLOWING?
773
00:33:04,965 --> 00:33:08,551
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO
THE REAL REASON,
774
00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:09,724
AND I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE.
775
00:33:09,724 --> 00:33:11,206
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
776
00:33:11,206 --> 00:33:14,310
DON'T LOOK AT IT
AS IT'S YOUR FAILURE,
777
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:17,034
LIKE YOU GUYS
WENT THROUGH A CRUCIBLE.
778
00:33:17,034 --> 00:33:22,827
I REMEMBER VERY DISTINCTLY
THIS TIME 10 YEARS AGO
779
00:33:22,827 --> 00:33:24,793
WHEN YOU GOT NEWS
OF THE INVESTIGATION
780
00:33:24,793 --> 00:33:26,586
AND YOU'RE LIKE,
"WE'RE GETTING OUT."
781
00:33:26,586 --> 00:33:28,689
-WE'RE LEAVING. YEAH.
-WE'RE LEAVING.
782
00:33:28,689 --> 00:33:30,103
AND TO PICK UP
YOUR WHOLE FAMILY
783
00:33:30,103 --> 00:33:32,413
AND GO TO LAS VEGAS,
LIKE,
784
00:33:32,413 --> 00:33:34,448
CAN YOU THINK OF SOMETHING
MORE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT
785
00:33:34,448 --> 00:33:36,206
THAN SALT LAKE?
786
00:33:36,206 --> 00:33:37,344
NOPE.
787
00:33:37,344 --> 00:33:39,862
AND YOUR KIDS
STILL LOVE EACH OTHER.
788
00:33:39,862 --> 00:33:42,241
I MEAN, LIKE,
YOU GUYS STILL ARE A FAMILY.
789
00:33:42,241 --> 00:33:45,689
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW,
DON'T MINIMIZE THAT.
790
00:33:45,689 --> 00:33:47,448
FAMILIES LIKE OURS
NEED SUPPORT.
791
00:33:47,448 --> 00:33:48,413
WE REALLY DO.
792
00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:49,793
MY EXPERIENCE OF THE BROWNS IS
793
00:33:49,793 --> 00:33:53,689
SINCE THEY HAVE MOVED TO VEGAS
AND THEN TO FLAGSTAFF,
794
00:33:53,689 --> 00:33:56,793
THAT THEY'VE LOST A SENSE
OF COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAD.
795
00:33:56,793 --> 00:33:59,275
I KNOW FOR US,
BEING HERE IN UTAH,
796
00:33:59,275 --> 00:34:01,793
THAT'S BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT
FACTOR FOR US TO HAVE.
797
00:34:01,793 --> 00:34:04,689
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S IMPACTED
THE BROWNS QUITE A BIT.
798
00:34:04,689 --> 00:34:06,172
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
799
00:34:06,172 --> 00:34:09,000
YOU GUYS ARE TOGETHER,
YOU'RE HERE.
800
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000
THAT IS SOMETHING
TO CELEBRATE.
801
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,172
YEAH, JOE'S BEING KIND,
802
00:34:12,172 --> 00:34:13,620
SAYING, "YOU GUYS
AREN'T THAT DYSFUNCTIONAL."
803
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:19,344
AND I'M GOING, "WE'RE NOT AS
FUNCTIONAL AS I WISH WE WERE."
804
00:34:19,344 --> 00:34:23,344
I GUESS THE ONE HOME DISCUSSION
HAS REALLY MADE ME
805
00:34:23,344 --> 00:34:26,448
JUST AWARE OF OF SORT OF
A FRUSTRATION --
806
00:34:26,448 --> 00:34:28,758
MAYBE I SHOULD JUST BE FORGIVING
ABOUT IT. JUST LET IT GO.
807
00:34:28,758 --> 00:34:31,413
SO WHAT. OK, WE'RE GOING TO LIVE
IN DIFFERENT HOMES. BIG DEAL.
808
00:34:31,413 --> 00:34:32,275
WE'RE OK.
809
00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:36,206
AND THIS IS WHERE
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO RELATE
810
00:34:36,206 --> 00:34:39,551
TO EVERY SINGLE MARRIED MAN
IN THE WHOLE WORLD,
811
00:34:39,551 --> 00:34:42,000
A POLYGAMIST OR NOT,
IS SOME DAYS
812
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,827
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOT
A GREAT MARRIAGE
813
00:34:44,827 --> 00:34:46,965
AND SOME DAYS
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T.
814
00:34:52,896 --> 00:34:58,344
IN UTAH, JUST TO CALL EACH
OTHER SISTER WIVES IS A FELONY,
815
00:34:58,344 --> 00:35:01,310
POLYGAMY RIGHT NOW IN UTAH
IS A FE-LO-NY.
816
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:03,827
WE'RE SITTING
WITH FELLOW FELONS.
817
00:35:03,827 --> 00:35:07,310
MORE POLYGAMISTS NEED TO BE
PUBLIC AND OPEN.
818
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:12,034
KODY COULD GO TO JAIL FROM
ANYWHERE FROM 9 TO 15 YEARS.
819
00:35:19,172 --> 00:35:21,724
YEAH, COME SIT,
COME SIT.
820
00:35:21,724 --> 00:35:25,586
NOT YOU.
YOU STAY THERE.
821
00:35:26,724 --> 00:35:27,827
YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL
LIKE KODY RIGHT NOW.
822
00:35:29,689 --> 00:35:31,586
OH, YEAH.
TELLING ME WHAT TO DO?
823
00:35:31,586 --> 00:35:33,172
TELLING ME WHERE TO GO.
824
00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:35,000
I GOT FOUR
PUPPET STRINGS,
825
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,931
AND ONE WIFE
HOLDS EACH STRING.
826
00:35:36,931 --> 00:35:38,689
YOU WISH YOU
ONLY HAD FOUR.
827
00:35:38,689 --> 00:35:39,758
I THINK YOU'RE
PRETTY SURE
828
00:35:39,758 --> 00:35:41,310
YOU'VE GOT LIKE
25 PUPPET STRINGS.
829
00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:42,689
NO, JUST FOUR.
830
00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:45,793
I DON'T EVER
ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
831
00:35:45,793 --> 00:35:47,034
OHH!
832
00:35:47,034 --> 00:35:49,000
WELL, YOU'RE STILL...
833
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,413
SO MAYBE YOU ONLY HAVE
THREE PUPPET STRINGS.
834
00:35:50,413 --> 00:35:52,586
YOU'RE STILL STRUMMING
THAT STRING, YOU KNOW.
835
00:35:52,586 --> 00:35:54,931
I DON'T. I HAVE CUT
THOSE STRINGS.
836
00:35:54,931 --> 00:35:57,275
THERE'S A WALL!
I'M MAKING MY WALL HERE.
837
00:35:58,517 --> 00:36:00,931
THAT WAS AN INTERESTING
LITTLE DANCE FOR HIM.
838
00:36:00,931 --> 00:36:04,000
I WAS TRYING TO BE AS BIG
AS I COULD TO BE A WALL.
839
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,482
I JUST DON'T WANT THEM
TO HAVE AN ISSUE RIGHT HERE.
840
00:36:06,482 --> 00:36:08,413
LIKE IT'S A DEEPER ISSUE,
RIGHT THERE,
841
00:36:08,413 --> 00:36:12,172
WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S
JUST, WANT THEM TO GET ALONG.
842
00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:14,896
SO, JOE, WHAT DOES
THIS BILL ACTUALLY MEAN?
843
00:36:14,896 --> 00:36:17,758
SO THE BILL'S CALLED
SB102.
844
00:36:17,758 --> 00:36:19,551
THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENT IS,
845
00:36:19,551 --> 00:36:23,413
IT AMENDS THE BIGAMY LAWS
RIGHT NOW.
846
00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:27,517
IN UTAH JUST TO CALL
EACH OTHER WIVES --
847
00:36:27,517 --> 00:36:29,931
SISTER WIVES --
IS A FELONY.
848
00:36:29,931 --> 00:36:32,862
POLYGAMY RIGHT NOW IN UTAH
IS A FE-LO-NY.
849
00:36:32,862 --> 00:36:35,655
WE'RE SITTING
WITH FELLOW FELONS.
850
00:36:35,655 --> 00:36:37,068
WE'RE FELONS JUST LIKE THEM --
851
00:36:37,068 --> 00:36:39,793
THEY COULD COME IN
AND ARREST US ALL.
852
00:36:39,793 --> 00:36:42,413
IT'S UP THERE WITH MURDER.
JUST SAYING.
853
00:36:42,413 --> 00:36:45,896
NOW INSTEAD OF BEING A FELONY
TO CALL EACH OTHER WIVES,
854
00:36:45,896 --> 00:36:47,275
IT'S AN INFRACTION --
855
00:36:47,275 --> 00:36:48,793
IT'D BE LIKE GETTING
A JAYWALKING TICKET,
856
00:36:48,793 --> 00:36:51,551
UP TO -- THE MOST,
IT'D BE A $700 TICKET.
857
00:36:51,551 --> 00:36:53,068
OR MAYBE SOME
COMMUNITY SERVICE.
858
00:36:53,068 --> 00:36:54,344
IT'S LESS THAN
A MISDEMEANOR.
859
00:36:54,344 --> 00:36:55,172
WOW!
860
00:36:55,172 --> 00:36:56,137
RIGHT NOW, IT'S A FELONY.
861
00:36:56,137 --> 00:36:57,413
WHICH MEANS YOU CAN
GO TO PRISON.
862
00:36:57,413 --> 00:36:59,931
YOU CAN GO TO PRISON FOR
3 TO 5 YEARS FOR IT,
863
00:36:59,931 --> 00:37:01,344
AND THEN GET BACK
AND GO BACK IN,
864
00:37:01,344 --> 00:37:02,586
I GUESS, BECAUSE
YOU'RE STILL POLYGAMOUS
865
00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:03,965
WHEN YOU'RE DONE, RIGHT.
866
00:37:03,965 --> 00:37:06,793
IN THEORY, KODY COULD,
BECAUSE HE HAS ONE LEGAL WIFE
867
00:37:06,793 --> 00:37:08,379
AND THREE PLURAL WIVES --
868
00:37:08,379 --> 00:37:13,482
HE COULD GO TO JAIL FROM
ANYWHERE FROM 9 TO 15 YEARS.
869
00:37:13,482 --> 00:37:16,517
THEN YOU'RE YOUR PROBATION
INVOLVES NOT SEEING
870
00:37:16,517 --> 00:37:18,310
YOUR CHILDREN,
NOT RECOMMITTING THE FELONY,
871
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:20,137
SO BASICALLY,
IF YOU SAW YOUR CHILDREN AGAIN,
872
00:37:20,137 --> 00:37:22,655
THEN YOU WERE
VIOLATING PROBATION --
873
00:37:22,655 --> 00:37:24,482
THAT TOOK YOU
INTO THE FEDERAL SYSTEM.
874
00:37:24,482 --> 00:37:26,896
IT'S JUST A BIG MESS.
IT'S A BIG MESS.
875
00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:28,379
AND THE MYTH
RIGHT NOW IS,
876
00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,758
OH, THE SENATE PASSED --
BUT, WE HAVE TWO HOUSES.
877
00:37:30,758 --> 00:37:32,793
WE HAVE THE SENATE
AND THE HOUSE.
878
00:37:32,793 --> 00:37:34,965
AND SO THE WORK
IS FAR FROM DONE,
879
00:37:34,965 --> 00:37:37,034
AND I DON'T WANT TO
CELEBRATE TOO EARLY
880
00:37:37,034 --> 00:37:38,517
AND JINX ANYTHING, RIGHT?
881
00:37:38,517 --> 00:37:39,586
YEAH, IT PASSED THE SENATE,
882
00:37:39,586 --> 00:37:41,206
BUT IT HAS TO GO
TO THE HOUSE NEXT --
883
00:37:41,206 --> 00:37:42,620
THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE
IN THE HOUSE --
884
00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:44,310
AND THEN THE GOVERNOR.
885
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:47,275
SO, IT'S STILL SOME BIG STEPS.
886
00:37:47,275 --> 00:37:50,034
SO, LIKE, I -- YEAH,
WE'RE STILL A LONG WAYS.
887
00:37:50,034 --> 00:37:53,551
THREE YEARS AGO,
IT WAS SUCH A DIFFERENT STORY.
888
00:37:53,551 --> 00:37:56,137
YOU GUYS, WHAT HAPPENED IN THESE
THREE YEARS THAT MADE IT SO?
889
00:37:56,137 --> 00:37:58,965
WELL, YOU REMEMBER,
3 YEARS AGO, WE LOST BY A VOTE.
890
00:37:58,965 --> 00:38:00,275
IT WAS JUST ONE.
891
00:38:00,275 --> 00:38:03,517
THERE WAS SOME OF THESE
POWERFUL PEOPLE AGAINST IT
892
00:38:03,517 --> 00:38:06,551
THAT REALLY MADE
THIS COMPELLING CASE
893
00:38:06,551 --> 00:38:09,034
THAT WE NEEDED THIS
TO GO AFTER BAD GUYS.
894
00:38:09,034 --> 00:38:10,344
IT'S SO INTERESTING
THAT THEY FELT LIKE
895
00:38:10,344 --> 00:38:12,793
THEY NEEDED TO WRITE A LAW
896
00:38:12,793 --> 00:38:15,241
THAT TARGETED PLURAL MARRIAGE
WITH THESE CRIMES
897
00:38:15,241 --> 00:38:19,448
WHEN THEY COULD PROSECUTE
UNDERAGE CHILD MARRIAGE
898
00:38:19,448 --> 00:38:21,620
AND WELFARE FRAUD AND ALL
THOSE THINGS SEPARATELY --
899
00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:23,724
THEY DIDN'T NEED
A POLYGAMY STATUTE. IT'S WEIRD.
900
00:38:23,724 --> 00:38:27,068
IT WAS LIKE THEM SAYING, "OH,
POLYGAMISTS ARE THESE PEOPLE."
901
00:38:27,068 --> 00:38:31,241
I THINK WHAT'S CHANGED IS
MORE PEOPLE COMING FORWARD
902
00:38:31,241 --> 00:38:33,517
AND TELLING THEIR STORY
ABOUT THEIR LIFE,
903
00:38:33,517 --> 00:38:35,206
ABOUT THIS HAS BEEN
HARMFUL FOR THEM.
904
00:38:35,206 --> 00:38:37,172
WE'VE GOT A CASE THAT
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH,
905
00:38:37,172 --> 00:38:40,000
WITH SOMEBODY THAT IS IN
URGENT NEED OF MEDICAL CARE,
906
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,517
NEEDS TO GET IN,
907
00:38:41,517 --> 00:38:44,689
BUT SHE'S ADAMANT SHE'S NOT
FILLING OUT THE PAPERWORK
908
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:47,068
BECAUSE SHE WAS PART
OF A PLURAL FAMILY,
909
00:38:47,068 --> 00:38:49,137
SHE'S AFRAID
SHE'LL BE ARRESTED.
910
00:38:49,137 --> 00:38:51,310
PEOPLE ARE EXPRESSING
THAT A LOT MORE, I THINK,
911
00:38:51,310 --> 00:38:52,206
THAN THEY USED TO.
912
00:38:52,206 --> 00:38:54,034
THESE STORIES AREN'T NEW.
913
00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:56,241
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS I DIDN'T
DO BECAUSE I WAS A POLYGAMIST
914
00:38:56,241 --> 00:38:58,413
AND I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO FIND
OUT THAT MY DAD WAS A POLYGAMIST
915
00:38:58,413 --> 00:39:00,172
BECAUSE HE COULD GET
PUT IN JAIL.
916
00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:02,620
PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN
GOING TO COLLEGE
917
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:04,448
BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T APPLY
FOR SCHOLARSHIPS --
918
00:39:04,448 --> 00:39:05,931
FILLING OUT THE CENSUS.
919
00:39:05,931 --> 00:39:11,517
IT'S SO SCARY. YOU CAN'T APPLY
FOR ANY HELP AT ALL. EVER.
920
00:39:11,517 --> 00:39:13,724
CHRISTINE'S GRANDPA
BACK IN THE 70s,
921
00:39:13,724 --> 00:39:15,689
HE WAS THE LEADER OF OUR CHURCH.
922
00:39:15,689 --> 00:39:18,862
AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE
QUOTING HIM
923
00:39:18,862 --> 00:39:23,586
SAYING, "MORE POLYGAMISTS
NEED TO BE PUBLIC AND OPEN
924
00:39:23,586 --> 00:39:29,103
SO THAT WE CAN BE REALIZED
AS NORMAL MAINSTREAM PEOPLE
925
00:39:29,103 --> 00:39:33,517
WITH JUST A VERY SMALL
DIFFERENCE FROM EVERYBODY ELSE."
926
00:39:33,517 --> 00:39:35,862
SO MY GRANDPA WAS ALWAYS TRYING
TO TELL PEOPLE,
927
00:39:35,862 --> 00:39:37,275
"GO PUBLIC, GO PUBLIC.
928
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:40,551
YOU NEED TO SHOW THAT IT'S OK
TO BE A PLURAL FAMILY.
929
00:39:40,551 --> 00:39:43,103
YOU NEED TO SHOW THAT
WE WE'RE REALLY JUST ABOUT LOVE,
930
00:39:43,103 --> 00:39:46,000
AND THAT'S ALL THIS IS,
IS RAISING KIDS TOGETHER.
931
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,344
HE WANTED PEOPLE
IN THE POLYGAMIST CULTURE
932
00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:50,103
TO COME FORWARD,
BUT THEN HE DID.
933
00:39:50,103 --> 00:39:54,034
THE LAW CAME AFTER MY GRANDPA
AND THEIR FAMILY HAD TO SEPARATE
934
00:39:54,034 --> 00:39:57,379
AND THEY CERTAINLY
NEVER GOT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.
935
00:39:57,379 --> 00:40:01,482
SO HE WAS URGING EVERYBODY
TO COME OUT OF THE SHADOWS,
936
00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:03,241
BUT THE TIMING WASN'T RIGHT.
937
00:40:03,241 --> 00:40:06,620
BUT THE TIMING IS RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED TO STOP BEING AFRAID.
938
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:10,000
YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD
TO THE DAY WHEN WE'RE OPEN
939
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,965
AND WE'RE TREATED LIKE
EVERY OTHER CITIZEN HERE
940
00:40:12,965 --> 00:40:15,379
AND THAT OUR FAMILIES
AND MY GRANDKIDS
941
00:40:15,379 --> 00:40:17,551
CAN GROW UP WITH A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE
942
00:40:17,551 --> 00:40:18,413
THAN I GREW UP.
943
00:40:18,413 --> 00:40:19,551
-YEAH.
-YEAH.
944
00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:21,413
-AMEN.
-ABSOLUTELY.
945
00:40:21,413 --> 00:40:24,551
I FEEL CAUTIOUSLY HOPEFUL
ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW,
946
00:40:24,551 --> 00:40:26,103
AND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
THIS TIME,
947
00:40:26,103 --> 00:40:30,448
AT LEAST IT'S ANOTHER STEP.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY.
948
00:40:30,448 --> 00:40:32,724
NOT OUR FAMILY,
NOT JOE'S FAMILY,
949
00:40:32,724 --> 00:40:34,827
AND NOT THE POLYGAMIST CULTURE.
950
00:40:34,827 --> 00:40:36,931
THANK YOU FOR LUNCH.
951
00:40:36,931 --> 00:40:38,310
JUST THANK YOU
FOR BEING YOU GUYS,
952
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,379
BECAUSE I'VE HAD SUCH
A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE
953
00:40:40,379 --> 00:40:41,586
BEING YOUR FRIENDS.
954
00:40:41,586 --> 00:40:42,827
-AND IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.
BEEN WAY TOO LONG.
955
00:40:42,827 --> 00:40:44,620
FAR TOO LONG, BUT
I DO LOVE THAT
956
00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:45,724
WE ARE JUST LIKE FAMILY --
957
00:40:45,724 --> 00:40:48,000
WE JUST PICK UP RIGHT
WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
958
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,965
I LOVE YOU GUYS.
959
00:40:48,965 --> 00:40:50,413
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE
THE BROWNS --
960
00:40:50,413 --> 00:40:51,655
IT'D BEEN
A LONG TIME
961
00:40:51,655 --> 00:40:53,827
AND THEY DID SEEM
A LITTLE STRESSED TO ME,
962
00:40:53,827 --> 00:40:56,827
AND I DON'T KNOW
IF THAT'S FROM THE MOVE,
963
00:40:56,827 --> 00:40:58,275
OR EVERYTHING THEY'VE BEEN
DEALING WITH,
964
00:40:58,275 --> 00:41:00,344
OR JUST HAVING
A LARGE FAMILY --
965
00:41:00,344 --> 00:41:03,172
SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST
STRESSFUL BY ITSELF.
966
00:41:04,931 --> 00:41:06,724
I REALLY AUTHENTICALLY
MISSED THEM.
967
00:41:06,724 --> 00:41:08,206
I WISH THEY WERE CLOSER.
968
00:41:08,206 --> 00:41:12,827
WE JUST REALLY LOVE THEM
AND LOVE SPENDING TIME WITH THEM
969
00:41:12,827 --> 00:41:14,689
AND I WISH WE COULD SEE THEM
A LOT MORE THAN WE DO.
970
00:41:16,413 --> 00:41:18,758
IF WE HAD STAYED IN UTAH,
971
00:41:18,758 --> 00:41:22,758
OUR FAMILY COULD HAVE BEEN
BROKE APART, YOU KNOW,
972
00:41:22,758 --> 00:41:25,827
AND WE WORKED SO HARD
973
00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:29,655
AND GAVE UP SO MUCH
TO STAY A FAMILY.
974
00:41:29,655 --> 00:41:32,275
AND I THINK WE'VE LOST SIGHT
OF THAT A LITTLE BIT.
975
00:41:32,275 --> 00:41:35,413
AND TO HEAR ABOUT THIS BILL
IS JUST LIKE,
976
00:41:35,413 --> 00:41:37,965
OK, ALL THOSE SACRIFICES WE MADE
WILL BE WORTH IT,
977
00:41:37,965 --> 00:41:40,241
BECAUSE THIS WAS WHY
WE DID THIS.
978
00:41:40,241 --> 00:41:41,862
WAS SO THAT WE
COULD BE A FAMILY,
979
00:41:41,862 --> 00:41:45,448
SO WE GOTTA REMEMBER THAT
AND PUT THE EFFORT INTO THAT
980
00:41:45,448 --> 00:41:47,206
AND TO GET THAT
PROPERTY TOGETHER
981
00:41:47,206 --> 00:41:49,724
AND TO WORK ON THE RELATIONSHIPS
UNTIL THEN.
982
00:41:52,689 --> 00:41:54,551
NEXT TIME ON "SISTER WIVES,"
983
00:41:54,551 --> 00:41:57,896
IT'S GREAT NEWS
THAT I'M DROPPING.
984
00:41:57,896 --> 00:42:00,482
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO
TELL US YOU WERE PREGNANT.
985
00:42:00,482 --> 00:42:02,827
I DON'T THINK KODY WILL EVER BE
DONE HAVING CHILDREN.
986
00:42:02,827 --> 00:42:04,172
WHAT ARE WE THINKING
WITH THE PROPERTY
987
00:42:04,172 --> 00:42:05,827
AND WHAT ARE WE
GOING TO DO NEXT?
988
00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:06,758
JUST BECAUSE THE HOUSES
HAVE SOLD
989
00:42:06,758 --> 00:42:08,344
DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE GOT MONEY.
990
00:42:08,344 --> 00:42:10,896
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT
THE SAME FLIPPING PROPERTY.
991
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:12,241
AND LISTEN, LADIES,
YOU KNOW THAT
992
00:42:12,241 --> 00:42:14,034
YOU'RE PUSHING FOR A FIGHT HERE.
993
00:42:14,034 --> 00:42:15,655
I DON'T KNOW WHY PAYING
A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY
994
00:42:15,655 --> 00:42:17,068
IS A PROBLEM.
995
00:42:17,068 --> 00:42:18,965
MAYBE WHAT I NEED TO DO
IS JUST TURN IT OVER TO THEM.
996
00:42:18,965 --> 00:42:20,310
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY
GO BETTER --
997
00:42:20,310 --> 00:42:23,689
MAYBE THE DRAMA PROBLEM
IN OUR LIVES IS ME.
998
00:42:23,689 --> 00:42:25,241
I'M SORRY. I'M NOT --NO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS --
999
00:42:25,241 --> 00:42:27,103
WELL, YOU GUYS, THIS IS
A HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING.
1000
00:42:27,103 --> 00:42:29,931
THEIR RELATIONSHIP
REALLY DOES HAVE AN EFFECT
1001
00:42:29,931 --> 00:42:31,344
ON THE REST OF THE FAMILY.
1002
00:42:31,344 --> 00:42:33,310
HERE, YOU HOLD HER HAND
TOO, KODY.
1003
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,344
IF MERI AND I
REALLY WANTED TO BE TOGETHER,
1004
00:42:35,344 --> 00:42:36,517
WE WOULD.