Previously on Sister Wives.
A lot has happened this last week.
Every single day there's new cases.
I'm in this place where I can't think about how long this might be,
'cause it kind of makes me crazy.
Every single day is different.
It's not like anything is staying the same.
Right now, speaker phones, okay?
I got to figure out how to accommodate
the virus as well as our family lifestyle and interaction.
I think maybe I better,
like, not have Kody even come.
If for some reason we ended up infected,
he would then bring it to all of you guys.
It's just such a kind of crazy shock.
I don't know what that's like to not see you for that long.
It's really tough to even consider
that part of this whole thing with this stupid disease
is the idea that we can't be a family.
It's freaking heartbreaking, that this is where we're at,
that this is what we've decided
and this is how we're gonna do this.
A lot has happened in the last couple of weeks.
The cases have grown, the fear has grown.
And this is all really new stuff to us.
We have a pandemic breakout
of COVID-19
in the United States.
How dangerous it is, I don't know.
I guess at this point, you just do what you can to be safe.
It was decided last night at this point,
each home isolate with themselves
and Kody is gonna be the only one to go from house to house.
Our family has been feeling
really challenged since we came to Flagstaff
because we've had to be in four separate homes,
so I had a conversation with everybody
a couple of months ago where I kind of pointed out
the challenges and my concerns.
I think life's gotten really easy for us.
And we all go home to our little houses
and we complain about somebody.
The easier it gets, the more we get away
from the ultimate goal I envisioned.
We will have to decide what we really want.
Do you want to have a relationship with your sister wife?
Maybe there are some of us
who are like, "Look, I don't want it anymore."
But then all of a sudden, along comes this pandemic,
it's even gonna be more separation
because we have to socially distance.
Kody and I are away from each other indefinitely,
because I've got Garrison and Gabriel
who are working and in school.
So I'm trying to keep my spirits up
'cause it looks like sort of a bleak spring.
This is the Kody log.
March 29th, 2020,
and...
we're deep in this coronavirus thing.
It's scary,
the bottom underlying all of this
is the fear is real.
I'm still in this place where I just can't understand
why we're hunkered down.
I don't care if it's not real or if it's real right now,
because if I don't think that's important to take the chance.
I don't know. I hear so much conflicting stuff.
How dangerous it is? I don't know.
I guess at this point, you just do what you can to be safe.
I guess something like this
doesn't get really real until somebody
a couple of degrees from you,
maybe one degree from you or even a family member
or somebody you know passes from it.
Janelle called me.
And a couple days ago, she said that
she felt like I shouldn't come over
to her house anymore,
at risk of exposing the rest of the family,
potentially, to coronavirus.
Yesterday, Janelle called me up and said,
"Hey, listen, this whole pandemic thing,
becoming a concern."
Her boys don't really have the ability to socially distance,
and "so I'm gonna have you not come by for two weeks."
We shouldn't have you come for a little bit, maybe.
I'm trying to be really brave and really smart and really logical.
I present a risk. My household presents a risk.
In plural marriage, I'm only around every three, four nights,
and Janelle is so used to it
that she makes independent decisions all the time.
A regular husband or wife wouldn't even have to deal with this.
We'd just stay at the house together.
I was surprised in some ways that I was just sort of told,
I guess that's the independent woman thing
in a plural marriage.
I don't know what that's like to not see you for that long.
That's heartbreaking.
It's kind of worrisome for me.
I'm not really sure what it will mean for us.
I'm feeling kind of powerless in this whole situation.
And so this is one way I can protect...
The whole world's scared,
they're scared to leave their house,
they're scared to trust people,
they're scared to be around people,
and then they're lonely.
They're so lonely.
I guess that's why I'm so concerned about Janelle.
Now, hindsight,
Janelle might be making the right choice.
You know, if we're saving lives,
we won't even know.
But if we're saving a life, the life of one of the kids,
one of the adults,
or potentially slowing down the spread of this,
I don't know.
Then, hindsight
says that we've done the right thing.
The hardest part for me is being separated from Janelle
and Savannah.
Gabriel.
Oh!
We're lucky that we've got a big family, right?
None of us are alone here.
I think this virus is different, because it's like...
Sometimes you're not even making a choice and you get it.
If I'm not protecting myself and I'm not stepping back from society,
then I may get it through no fault of my own.
So, every one of us
has immediate family surrounding us.
So, Janelle's got her three kids at home.
Christine's got her three kids at home.
Robyn's got her five kids at home.
Mariah and Audrey are at home, which is exciting.
They're gonna do 14 days of sort of self-isolation at Meri's house.
We are fortunate in that we all have people to hang out with.
None of us are isolated. None of us are by ourselves.
Had a nice talk with her and she's really not missing it all.
She's not missing the drama of school.
She's playing video games like a mad person,
watching movies.
She's got a guitar, a bass guitar.
She played bass.
It's a good time to sort of train yourself up on that stuff a little bit.
Yeah, you know, that's in an ideal world.
Right now they're both just playing video games
and doing school or whatever,
so, there's no classical education,
or a step back into classical education happening at our house.
We're just not that sophisticated.
I don't mean to make light of this
because it's affecting my family,
but we are changing our entire society for this.
We are changing our family for this.
I might be overreacting, possibly,
and I'm feeling a little nutty, okay?
Because I'm separated from some of my family.
We have no idea how we should be acting.
I'm probably underreacting, Kody is probably overreacting.
I don't want to make light of this
because it's affecting our family.
It's affecting the whole world.
But I wonder if we're not just overreacting, and it's really...
and we will probably never know.
If one person in our family
were to get really sick or die,
the regret we would have
thinking that we could have done something more to be more careful,
would...
haunt us, possibly, for a lifetime.
So, that's what's going on today.
Last week, Mariah and Audrey
decided to leave Chicago really quickly.
Then they got here into Flagstaff
Friday afternoon and they're just planning
a couple of weeks of quarantine.
Under normal circumstances, I typically live alone.
It's nice to have them here.
What are you thinking?
So, we will need to quarantine?
Them quarantining makes sense.
But then after the quarantining is over,
does that mean we're gonna be able to hang out?
No, not according to Kody's rules.
So he's gonna see Mariah and Audrey after two weeks.
But we won't. I'm not dumb.
I'm the only one going from house to house.
Right now, I'm going from Robyn's house
to Christine's house and back to Robyn's house
and then to Christine's house.
My kids aren't seeing their friends.
My wives aren't seeing each other.
My kids aren't seeing each other.
Yeah. So, we're in Flagstaff now.
Cody won't be coming over to see them.
Even though they can't see him,
you know, they can talk to him.
Yeah.
That's like a lot of specific precautions.
I think it's kind of extreme.
If you leave it all in the freezer and in the cold,
well, then, like grocery shopping and things like that,
how much time are you supposed to wait before you bring the stuff inside?
Everybody's touching all of my stuff.
You know, the box of cereal that I just put in my cupboard.
You know someone else at the store touched that, right?
The mom grabbed, the kid grabbed it, reading the contents,
decided they didn't want it, they put it back.
They've touched it, then I touch it and I put it in my cart.
Then the person who scans it touches it.
The person who bags it, touches it.
Well, at what point are you really safe?
We're not going back to normal for a very long time.
We're creating a new normal.
Yeah, the new...
They say that a person needs four hugs a day just to survive.
And people probably are not getting four hugs a day right now.
I love hugs and touch from the appropriate person,
you know what I mean?
And when you don't have that,
it's like it feels really, really lonely.
I'm really careful about pushing Kody
because I don't want him to feel like
I'm being demanding or pushy or anything like that.
You know, I don't know what Kody is gonna be doing
after the two weeks' quarantine.
I don't know what his plans are.
I can't speak to that, honestly.
He doesn't typically come to my house very often.
Maybe now that Mariah and Audrey are here,
he might come and visit with them
at the end of the two weeks.
But he basically is just gonna be
going between Janelle and Christine and Robyn.
That's typically what he does.
Just calling it like it is.
There's just been nothing going on between me and Meri.
And she interacts with the family
for the holidays and the birthdays,
we get together once in a while,
I see Meri once in a blue moon,
but we quit dating.
And that's just probably
because I quit calling her to say, "Let's go do something."
But, Dad, so many people are going to die from this.
A human life is far more important to me
than a single dollar
or a million dollars
or the whole world, okay?
When it's your family member that dies,
it won't matter one hair of a bit
whether or not the economy is going well or not.
If you're not a privileged individual, which Mariah sort of is,
the economy is life and death to you.
If you don't work, you don't feed your kids.
She's just seeing, "We've got to save grandma,"
which I do not disagree with.
But, Dad, the economy is not more important
than human beings.
It's horrible.
It's horrible what's going on right now.
And I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it.
And we're not even seeing the worst of it.
When we lived in Vegas, Mariah would come home.
I would tell Kody, "No politics in my home.
We are not discussing politics."
Yeah, no. But they always go back to politics.
Always.
-It is, yeah. -Yeah.
It is. -Either I... Yeah.
All right, I love you, Dad. We'll see you soon.
-We'll chat later. Love you. -Okay, love you.
Bye.
So now I feel like I need another nap after that conversation.
Go take a nap.
Because that was just like too much for me.
I feel like that after every conversation with Kody,
every single one,
I feel like I have to go take a nap.
I'm not kidding. You know what I'm gonna do when I get home after this?
I'm gonna go take a nap!
I called Gabe more than once
because I have long conversations with him,
but one of the calls I made,
he was actually at his girlfriend's.
I mean, we didn't talk.
And that was the first time
I ever knew he had a girlfriend.
And we're not gonna see Dad anyway,
so why would I social distance?
I think it's super sad
that Janelle and Kody have to be separated.
It's gonna be hard for Janelle,
it's gonna be hard for the kids.
I worry about the fact that we're not gonna be seeing each other as a family.
Hey, you guys. All right, so come.
I need to gather with you for a minute.
-Okay. Come, come.
Now, I need to kind of have that conversation
with my kids that Dad's not gonna be around
for a little bit by my asking him.
So I had a conversation with Dad and...
everybody's pretty worried about how contagious the COVID virus is,
the coronavirus.
So, I suggested to Dad that he maybe not come over
for a couple of weeks.
I kind of did this to you.
I kind of made the decision,
but I don't know how else to do it.
You shouldn't take the blame, Mama.
The blame is COVID, the blame is the disease.
How does Dad feel about it?
When I suggested it, he was kind of upset
'cause I kind of made the decision.
And you're still involved with people from campus.
I just don't think it's gonna be a very big deal.
You don't think so? -No.
Like your friends, nobody's worried, like...
Nobody I talked to is really worried about it.
And I know you're working still and you're on job sites.
I mean, like, are you working with people--
Still going to job sites, I'm still at... There's still work there.
They're still crowded.
Garrison works as a contractor for homebuilders in this valley.
And so he's out and about at homesites every day.
Dad said he'll, like, video call you and...
Like, he calls you, right?
Yeah, he has. He's called me.
Once.
Well, maybe you could call him sometimes, too.
I mean, you're always, like, with your girlfriend.
All right, all right, all right.
Listen, I didn't sign up for this.
Uh...
♪ Gabe's got a girlfriend
Gabriel's really only been dating this girl for a few weeks,
but he has a girlfriend and they're all in that first throe of, like,
"Wow, this is so great."
And they want to spend all their time together, and...
I'm really happy to see him find somebody
who is a little bit more level-headed.
I've called Gabe more than once
because I had long conversations with him.
But one of the calls I made,
he was actually at his girlfriend's.
I mean, we didn't talk.
And that was the first time I ever knew he had a girlfriend.
"Oh, you're at girlfriend's.
Oh, well, she must be important,"
'cause that's why I feel like the family can't be together,
is because he's being exposed to people we don't know.
I've been sort of grateful
that the kids aren't dating right now,
'cause I wouldn't want to have that conversation.
Like, I think that they're saying
the incubation is like two weeks.
So, in two weeks, we can see Dad?
I don't know, it could go a month,
it could go six weeks.
I sort of think it's gonna go longer,
but I just don't want to freak the kids out right now.
-I mean-- -Where is he staying, then?
He's between Christine and Robyn's house
because they are completely...
Like, they don't... they're not going anywhere.
They're not leaving the house.
And I feel a lot of pressure on the family relationship right now,
because everybody has such very different ideas
about what we're supposed to do here.
It's just weird. The communication has really gotten worse,
because it's not like we're really working together as a team.
We've gotten used to being so independent
since we've moved to Flagstaff.
How Kody feels, how Janelle feels,
how Robyn feels, how I feel, how Meri feels,
all of us should be able to do what we need to do.
Everybody's in a panic.
This isn't just on Gabriel,
this is on Garrison.
This is on every single household
who chooses what they're going to do
and how they're going to be exposed to others.
I just feel all this pressure
on the family relationships.
It's a very separate feeling starting to happen.
And it's kind of stressing me out a little bit.
Our decisions are going to affect each other,
and that may have some long-term effects on the relationship.
I just don't know.
Christine and Robyn have pretty much stayed home.
I think we should just be quarantining together.
I mean, it makes a lot more sense to do it that way I think.
'Cause you guys are out.
Because I gotta work.
He's gotta work.
I'm of the opinion,
and a lot of the other siblings are of the opinion,
that all the moms should be quarantining the kids together
in one group,
rather than separating us into four groups by the moms.
If it does go a month,
I don't think that's very fair,
because then he'll have been
with Christine and Robyn for a whole month.
I don't think it would necessarily be fair to Mom
to be distanced or left out of the equation,
and that's mostly what I'm worried about.
I think it's unfair,
but it kind of is what it is, man, like...
Gabe and I are out and about.
No, I understand why are you doing it, but that's like...
It's always been--
What's the change we need to make to be able to see him?
I think it's a little bit unfair for him to say, "Well, when can we?"
You know? 'Cause it's really kind of dependent on these two boys.
So you basically are home.
I see you home now more like you're--
I am home more, but I won't be home all the time.
And I mean,
I kind of have to be if Dad's quarantining from us,
but if it's gonna go on for a month, then...
Then what's the point of, like, not hanging out with everybody?
I mean, I'm not at risk.
Dad's not gonna be here for a month,
so I don't see a point
in me not going to see friends and stuff
for at least these initial two weeks.
I'm cool to like social distance if we can see Dad,
then that'll be all right,
but if we're not gonna see Dad anyway,
why would I social distance?
I've worried about Gabriel a little bit with this,
because of all of my kids,
he's the one who really loves the deep conversations with his dad,
'cause I think he may feel it emotionally the most.
So, is Dad not going to the store, then?
No, he says he's not.
-No? He's not going to the store? -Mm-mm.
How is me going to school once or twice a week
any different from Robyn going to the store once or twice a week?
Because she goes and comes really fast
and changes her clothes afterwards and--
All my classes are socially distanced.
Everyone wears a mask on campus now.
If one of us gets sick, sixteen of us get sick.
What if one of the 16 gets really, really, really sick?
What if one of us gets sick enough that we die?
I don't want to take the chance.
This virus sounds really scary.
Not with the little ones. Not with Ari.
If I were in the position of Robyn
and I had little ones like Ari and Solomon,
and then Truely as well, I'd be like, "no."
If we ever lost the little ones
due to not quarantining properly,
I would be devastated.
I would be so mad at myself because I was so nonchalant about quarantining, you know.
Solomon has had RSV,
which is a virus that affects the lungs.
So, he is at a higher risk for sure.
I'm going a little crazy, because I can't go anywhere.
I can't do anything.
I've lived apart from Kody before.
Back when the family moved from Wyoming to Utah,
that was probably about 2004,
I stayed behind in Wyoming, and we were apart for eight months.
It was hard.
He came up as often as he could,
so, we saw him every couple of weeks at least.
But there's something a little bit different about this time.
It just seems like this is like some sort
of a thing that's hunting us, almost.
It just... It's so scary.
I'm at Robyn's house right now,
and I just got some fantastic news
from my friend Joe Darger,
and I want to share it with Robyn's kids
and just see what their reaction is.
Come sit down, please, girls.
Mom and I have gotta talk with you.
So it's April 10th,
and we're still in the middle of this coronavirus pandemic.
We're still social distancing.
We're still quarantining as each family.
I'm at Robyn's house right now,
and I just got some fantastic news
from my friend Joe Darger,
and I want to share it with Robyn's kids
and just see what their reaction is.
Hey, Aurora, Breanna.
Aurora, hey, don't touch the camera, the phone.
Come sit down, please, girls.
Mom and I have gotta talk with you.
So, Mom, you want to tell them?
Do you know the details?
We have some really fun, exciting news to tell the kids today.
I'm just so excited.
This is news we've hoped to actually give our kids for ten years or more.
Yeah.
Basically, yesterday,
the governor of Utah signed the new law,
basically making plural marriage an infraction,
which is like equal to a traffic ticket,
which is basically and essentially
decriminalizing plural marriage.
Really?
That's awesome.
We're, like, no longer felons for living our religion.
For about 50 years after the Mormon pioneers came to Salt Lake
in about 1847,
they practiced polygamy, it was part of the religion.
It was just a thing that was done.
It wasn't weird.
And then, about 1890,
they decided they wanted to try for statehood.
So, in order to do that, they had to outlaw polygamy.
And it's been illegal ever since.
For 150 years, we've been felons.
It's like I don't believe it. It's so surreal.
Honestly, it's basic human rights, civil rights.
I don't think Kody sharing a bedroom
with another adult woman is hurting anybody else.
A senator actually submitted a bill.
The senator did a lot of research after studying,
and basically she came right out
and said exactly what we've been saying for maybe 20 years,
that decriminalization will start opening up the societies.
It'll get this polygamist community,
which is vast and various different groups of people,
to open up.
If anybody is breaking other laws that have to do with polygamy,
like the culture of polygamy in southern Utah,
then they'll be prosecuted as felons.
You honestly want to clean up the problems in polygamy?
Yeah!
You allow women who are plural wives to have a marriage license.
Yeah.
I'll tell you what, that would be a threat to me.
First of all, you have the man
who is willing to shoulder that responsibility,
is going to take it seriously.
-And second of all... -Divorce you?
That's a lot of alimony.
If that wife is getting abused and she leaves,
she can clean the house.
Yeah.
That's a lot of child support, too.
What do you two think? You two goof-offs.
Well, thank you. Thank you for your comments.
And, oh, there's more comments, Mom.
She likes the house.
She's just in her little cute, little four-year-old head just kind of going,
"I have something to say here."
Ariella is a life force of uncontrollable energy,
and she cannot sit long and she's in your face or in her own world.
But we've really struggled with disciplining her for silence and quiet.
This whole conversation is just going over her head.
So she's having a hard time kind of sitting still and being quiet, you know,
and it's not all about her.
So, she doesn't want to really listen.
So, she's kind of in the background
making a whole bunch of noise and...
Trying to distract us from our conversation.
Do you think families like ours,
where there's one dad and more than one mom,
do you think that they should be able to live how they want to live?
I think it's really cool, especially for the families that are living there...
Yeah.
...they don't have to worry as much,
and then, like, all the people that are suffering
both because they're afraid to live their lives
as their family
and because of some of the scary things
that do happen in some polygamous families,
they don't have to suffer as much anymore.
Yeah. -So, that's really cool.
Here is this bill that we've been really working for, for a decade.
And it's sort of anticlimactic that I can't go and celebrate in a very big way
with the people who would care that this has passed.
Plural marriage is not legal and it's not allowed.
But instead of, you know, threatening people with jail and...
It's like a traffic--
You get a $70 ticket or something. I have no idea.
If I ever got a ticket there for it,
I'm gonna sue.
Yeah.
If I got a ticket for being a polygamist,
for cohabitation in Utah,
I would turn around and sue the State
for the violation of my civil rights.
There's still some fire in my bones, man.
I want to sue them again.
I relished that experience.
I'll mortgage Coyote Pass.
I'd sell Coyote Pass to sue the State of Utah.
-Wow, this escalated. Oh, yeah.
Next time I sue the State of Utah, I'm gonna get compensated.
Oh, my God!
We told them we didn't want money.
-We just wanted to change the law -Stop!
Oh!
Stop!
Stay-at-home order.
It doesn't sound like a stay-at-home order.
Stay-at-home is really different
than the police stopping me to ask me if I'm okay to be out.
We don't know if you're going to be able to walk.
We don't know how you're gonna graduate.
Their health is more important
than a prom or a graduation any day.
So, here's where you start to get paranoid, right?
Today, I had contact with random people
who had been in the same county
where the new case has been diagnosed,
Navajo County.
And so, then I'm like, "Oh, my goodness,
did I have the wrong kind of contact?
Did I remember to wash my hands?"
Like, "I don't know, do I carry it?
Is it possible that I was exposed?"
I mean, okay, look, I'm rational and...
I don't know.
I don't know the answers and it's kind of scary.
Hi.
Did you get some news that I didn't get?
Stay-at-home is really different
than the police stopping me to ask me if I'm okay to be out.
So they can pull people over on the road?
I don't know.
Like, that seems very dictatorship to me.
If the police are gonna be looking for my papers.
Sounds like the Gestapo.
"Do you have your papers? Do you have your papers?"
I didn't know it was that serious.
It's almost like you can't control that you're exposed.
So you're gonna just get it? I don't know.
It's kind of scary to see the numbers jumping so fast.
In our little town,
like, our houses aren't all on top of each other.
Our streets aren't that crowded.
It's so scary.
All right. Thanks for the info.
Love you. We'll see you.
Bye.
We're under a stay-at-home order now.
We are under a stay-at-home order,
but I don't know what that means, though.
It's so bizarre.
I don't know what that means.
Means you don't go anywhere.
They're saying groups over ten can't get together.
And that's us, that's our family whenever we get together,
we're bigger than a group of ten for sure.
So, we found out that the kids are gonna be out of school
for the rest of the year.
We want to talk to Aurora and Breanna about this.
The school is not going to be reopening.
Online school is how they are going to finish out the year.
We also have two birthdays coming up.
Well, actually, five.
We have Garrison's, Breanna's, Aurora's,
Christine's, Truely's.
This is Aurora's 18th birthday, which is kind of a...
-What's the word? -That's a special...
That's a benchmark birthday.
It's just kind of like this whole weird, crazy thing that's like,
"Okay, how are we gonna do this?"
They have made the announcement
that school is going to be canceled
for the rest of the year.
I didn't know it was that bad.
It's tough on seniors,
because we don't know how long the seniors...
We don't know if you're gonna be able to walk.
We don't know how you're gonna graduate.
As long as it's not canceled, I'll deal,
but if it's canceled, that would really suck.
'Cause like...
I don't know, being, like, the one year
that doesn't get to walk out of, like, so many.
Yeah.
But 'cause like everyone...
a bunch of seniors are talking about it,
how we always grew up thinking that we were so cool.
That 2020 would be like the best year to graduate, and the coolest,
and now we're all like hating it,
because it feels like the worst.
-So... Yeah.
At this point, you know, these kids are young
and they're not quite understanding the gravity of the situation.
Their health is more important
than a prom or a graduation any day.
Because I know both of your birthdays are coming up
and because we're quarantined,
we're gonna have to do birthday parties without the whole family.
So, Grandma and Grandpa can't come.
Family members can't come.
What I'm hoping is that you guys
do, like, legitimately understand why.
The reason why we're being careful
is so we don't have somebody die.
It's devastating.
Truely's really melted down, big time.
We love getting together, we love birthdays.
There's a lot of plural families
that do birthdays separate and do everything separate.
We've never been that family, but we are now.
Kody will come over and we'll just do Truely's birthday separate
and mine will be separate.
And we won't go to Robyn's house for Breanna's and Aurora's,
and we won't go to Janelle's for Garrison's.
It's so hard.
We wanted to kind of talk to you guys
'cause we want to see what we could do
to maybe, somehow, still make it special.
Okay.
Okay, what's the...
We just have a gift idea.
Oh, you do, finally. Okay, that's good.
I was talking about an emotional-support animal earlier
and Breanna was just like, "I kind of want a pet, too,"
so I was like, "We could get like a medium-size dog or something."
I'd rather feed a horse regularly.
I've thought Robyn's family should have a dog for a long time.
I'm a big dog person. I have two.
Kody has been opposed to dogs since day one.
I don't know why he's, like, so against them.
I would rather have to feed a horse
than to ever have a dog, another dog in my house.
-I have scratchy eyes. Well, why...
Why don't you just break down?
Wait, horses, you'd love a horse.
With animals just comes a ton of responsibility.
And with me going from house to house,
I don't always feel like I've got the ability
to be responsible for the animals.
I just don't know what to do about the inconvenience of them in my life.
And I just don't know what to do
about the hair all over my pants and my suit coats.
Wouldn't you like a horse?
Why don't you just say, "Never mind,
you can't have your birthday wish"?
-How about you say, "I'm a mean daddy"? Oh, gosh.
I'm not killing... I'm not killing their birthday here.
Oh, I don't know.
You just sat there and said...
Yeah, I'm not killing their birthday here.
When you have a dog,
you have to take it to college with you if you leave the house.
Does that mean you're going to the same college together?
You're moving together, marrying the same man?
That's such a plural family joke.
That joke would not... would make no sense
or even fly in a monogamous culture.
You guys can have a milk cow...
...and chickens.
Wait, wait, wait. He thinks a dog is a bunch of work,
but he's willing to take on a fricking cow and chickens?
If we had cows and chickens out in the property,
do you know who'd take care of them?
Me, probably, not Kody. My gosh.
Well, this has been a fun conversation.
I've got other places I have to go.
I love all of you.
See you later.
Are you saying we're meant to move back to Utah?
'Cause I disagree.
I'm pretty shocked.
All those in favor of objecting say, "I."
I.
Just, "No, they don't want to go back"?
Why wouldn't they want to go back?
Why do we move so much?
Why can't we just pick a place and stay there?
The roads are empty.
Usually the Flagstaff traffic is terrible in Flagstaff.
It's weird.
It's almost eerie. It's like you're driving in the middle of the night
because there's not a lot of cars.
We got what we needed.
We don't plan on going out again for a long time.
We don't need to.
Okay, I just wanna tell you guys.
Okay, do you remember how...
Polygamy's decriminalized in Utah.
Oh, good, oh, good.
Polygamy is decriminalized.
The governor signed a law.
I can't believe it's happened. I'm serious.
I can't believe it's happened.
Now is the time for a party.
Now is the time for a huge celebration.
But because of COVID,
I am just telling my daughters. That's it.
Well, what do you guys think?
That's so good.
-I think it's the best news I've ever heard. -That's like...
We've done a lot for all the people in Utah.
I think so. I think going public was a big deal.
Our family? Sure.
Going public and showing the outside world
that polygamy isn't some huge, scary cult.
We're just a family trying to raise
productive kids and members of society.
But the real credit of this goes to Joe Darger and his family.
We left the state and they kept fighting.
Families, not felons! Keep marching!
Not felons! Families, not felons!
My whole life, I lived in fear of that the police finding out
that my dad lived polygamy
and they could come into our house
and take my dad and I wouldn't see my dad anymore.
That was reality to me.
That was my every day, I realized that.
So I'd go to school with that knowledge.
I'd interact with my friends with that knowledge.
I always had that knowledge.
And then when we raised our children,
we weren't as secretive as I was growing up.
It's a cultural thing.
It was really a cultural thing in our church to be secretive.
But the outside world is scary.
It's super, super scary because if they find out you live polygamy,
they're gonna come in and separate families and take dads away.
That's what we were raised with.
When we first heard about this bill, the SB102,
my first thought was,
"Well, as if... As if it's gonna pass,
but if it passes, awesome. Let's go back home."
How do you feel about moving back?
I don't want to move back.
I like where we are.
I think it's better.
Plus, we've already like put a ton of money into Coyote Pass.
Which we haven't built on.
Yeah, which is weird.
Please, because I have friends here, I'm finally settled.
Are you saying we're, like, meant to move back to Utah?
'Cause I disagree.
Huh.
I'm pretty shocked.
Just "No, they don't want to go back"?
Why wouldn't they want to go back?
-You for sure would never want to move back to Utah. -No.
No, I don't think I want to move back either.
We've already settled.
I mean, "no" means "no" right now,
but maybe "no" won't mean "no" in, like, three years, I don't know.
I mean, it's good news, right?
Congratulations, Mom, that's awesome.
-I'm so proud of you. -Yeah!
-It's nice. -You've done so much hard work.
-You have. -But we're not going back.
-So we'll resist. We're not going back.
I object.
-Yes. -I object, too.
I object.
All those in favor of objecting, say "I."
I!
Why would we build on Coyote Pass?
We haven't done anything on the land anyway,
so why don't we just sell it,
use that money towards purchasing some land in Utah?
Yeah, like, why would we build?
I know that's the vision and that's the dream,
being all back together again.
What if we had more of a plan?
So, what if we decided to sell Coyote Pass, all of that land?
People are interested right now.
People are interested in buying.
Why would we just throw away Coyote Pass now?
I'm not saying we have to move right away.
I know the girls didn't take this very well,
but I'm a little more hopeful of talking to Kody and the other adults,
'cause I think this is the next logical step.
Why do we move so much?
Why can't we just pick a place and stay there?
Next time I see Kody,
I'm gonna talk to him about what this conversation was like,
and I'm gonna tell him I freaking want to move back to Utah,
even though the girls don't want to.
Breanna is turning 16 today.
She's sweet 16.
Happy birthday!
We're kind of in a COVID lockdown.
It's kind of just an odd thing,
the way we're doing birthdays right now.
It's actually kind of peaceful.
It's not that peaceful.
Oh, it's so quiet right now.
I don't know. I feel like it's disloyal or something to sit there and go,
"Oh, this is nice, quiet birthday" or whatever.
How are Audrey and Mariah doing?
Well, they're actually not here.
They're up there running the bed and breakfast.
I was not teasing!
How do I say that?
It's gonna make him look like a jerk
for not calling me
and me look like a jerk for not calling him.
We do not communicate.