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[narrator] Previously on
Sister Wives.
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[Janelle] A lot has happened
this last week.
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Every single day
there's new cases.
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[over phone call]
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I'm in this place
where I can't think about
how long this might be,
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'cause it kind
of makes me crazy.
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[Robyn] Every single day
is different.
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It's not like anything
is staying the same.
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Right now,
speaker phones, okay?
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I got to figure out
how to accommodate
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the virus as well
as our family lifestyle
and interaction.
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I think maybe I better,
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like, not have Kody even come.
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If for some reason
we ended up infected,
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he would then bring it
to all of you guys.
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It's just such
a kind of crazy shock.
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I don't know what that's like
to not see you for that long.
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[voice cracks]
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It's really tough
to even consider
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that part of this whole thing
with this stupid disease
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is the idea
that we can't be a family.
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It's freaking heartbreaking,
that this is where we're at,
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that this is
what we've decided
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and this is
how we're gonna do this.
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[theme music playing]
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[Christine] A lot has happened
in the last couple of weeks.
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The cases have grown,
the fear has grown.
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[Kody] And this is
all really new stuff to us.
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We have a pandemic breakout
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of COVID-19
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in the United States.
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[Janelle] How dangerous it is,
I don't know.
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I guess at this point,
you just do what you can
to be safe.
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It was decided last night
at this point,
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each home isolate
with themselves
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and Kody is gonna be
the only one to go
from house to house.
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[Christine] Our family
has been feeling
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really challenged
since we came to Flagstaff
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because we've had to be
in four separate homes,
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so I had a conversation
with everybody
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a couple of months ago
where I kind of pointed out
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the challenges
and my concerns.
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I think life's gotten
really easy for us.
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And we all go home
to our little houses
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and we complain
about somebody.
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The easier it gets,
the more we get away
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from the ultimate goal
I envisioned.
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We will have to decide
what we really want.
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Do you want
to have a relationship
with your sister wife?
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[Janelle] Maybe
there are some of us
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who are like, "Look,
I don't want it anymore."
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But then all of a sudden,
along comes this pandemic,
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it's even gonna be
more separation
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because we have
to socially distance.
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Kody and I are away
from each other indefinitely,
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because
I've got Garrison and Gabriel
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who are working and in school.
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So I'm trying
to keep my spirits up
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'cause it looks like
sort of a bleak spring.
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[Kody] This is the Kody log.
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March 29th, 2020,
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and...
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we're deep
in this coronavirus thing.
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It's scary,
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the bottom
underlying all of this
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is the fear is real.
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I'm still in this place
where I just can't understand
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why we're hunkered down.
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I don't care if it's not real
or if it's real right now,
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because if I don't think
that's important
to take the chance.
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[Janelle] I don't know.
I hear so much
conflicting stuff.
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How dangerous it is?
I don't know.
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I guess at this point,
you just do what you can
to be safe.
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I guess something like this
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doesn't get really real
until somebody
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a couple of degrees from you,
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maybe one degree from you
or even a family member
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or somebody you know
passes from it.
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Janelle called me.
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[clears throat]
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And a couple days ago,
she said that
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she felt like
I shouldn't come over
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to her house anymore,
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at risk of exposing
the rest of the family,
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potentially, to coronavirus.
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Yesterday, Janelle
called me up and said,
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"Hey, listen,
this whole pandemic thing,
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becoming a concern."
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Her boys
don't really have the ability
to socially distance,
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and "so I'm gonna have you
not come by for two weeks."
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We shouldn't have you come
for a little bit, maybe.
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I'm trying to be really brave
and really smart
and really logical.
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I present a risk.
My household presents a risk.
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In plural marriage,
I'm only around
every three, four nights,
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and Janelle is so used to it
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that she makes
independent decisions
all the time.
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A regular husband or wife
wouldn't even have
to deal with this.
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We'd just stay
at the house together.
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I was surprised in some ways
that I was just sort of told,
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I guess that's
the independent woman thing
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in a plural marriage.
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I don't know what that's like
to not see you for that long.
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[Robyn] That's heartbreaking.
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It's kind of worrisome for me.
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I'm not really sure
what it will mean for us.
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I'm feeling kind of powerless
in this whole situation.
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And so this is one way
I can protect...
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[Christine] The whole world's
scared,
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they're scared
to leave their house,
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they're scared
to trust people,
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they're scared
to be around people,
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and then they're lonely.
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They're so lonely.
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I guess that's why
I'm so concerned
about Janelle.
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Now, hindsight,
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Janelle might be making
the right choice.
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You know,
if we're saving lives,
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we won't even know.
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But if we're saving a life,
the life of one of the kids,
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one of the adults,
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or potentially slowing down
the spread of this,
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I don't know.
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Then, hindsight
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says that we've done
the right thing.
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The hardest part for me
is being separated
from Janelle
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and Savannah.
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Gabriel.
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Oh!
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We're lucky that we've got
a big family, right?
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None of us are alone here.
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I think
this virus is different,
because it's like...
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Sometimes you're not
even making a choice
and you get it.
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If I'm not protecting myself
and I'm not stepping back
from society,
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then I may get it
through no fault of my own.
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So, every one of us
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has immediate family
surrounding us.
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So, Janelle's got
her three kids at home.
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Christine's got
her three kids at home.
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Robyn's got
her five kids at home.
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Mariah and Audrey are at home, which is exciting.
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They're gonna do 14 days
of sort of self-isolation
at Meri's house.
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We are fortunate
in that we all have people
to hang out with.
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None of us are isolated.
None of us are by ourselves.
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Had a nice talk with her
and she's really
not missing it all.
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She's not missing
the drama of school.
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She's playing video games
like a mad person,
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watching movies.
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She's got a guitar,
a bass guitar.
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She played bass.
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It's a good time
to sort of train yourself up
on that stuff a little bit.
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Yeah, you know,
that's in an ideal world.
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[laughing] Right now
they're both
just playing video games
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and doing school or whatever,
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so, there's
no classical education,
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or a step back
into classical education
happening at our house.
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We're just not
that sophisticated.
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I don't mean
to make light of this
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because it's affecting my family,
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but we are changing
our entire society for this.
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We are changing
our family for this.
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I might be overreacting,
possibly,
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and I'm feeling
a little nutty, okay?
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Because I'm separated
from some of my family.
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We have no idea
how we should be acting.
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I'm probably underreacting,
Kody is probably overreacting.
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I don't want
to make light of this
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because it's affecting our family.
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It's affecting
the whole world.
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But I wonder if we're not
just overreacting,
and it's really...
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and we will probably
never know.
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If one person in our family
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were to get
really sick or die,
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the regret we would have
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thinking that we could have
done something more
to be more careful,
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would...
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haunt us, possibly,
for a lifetime.
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So, that's
what's going on today.
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[gentle music]
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[Meri] Last week,
Mariah and Audrey
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decided to leave Chicago
really quickly.
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Then they got here
into Flagstaff
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Friday afternoon
and they're just planning
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a couple of weeks
of quarantine.
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Under normal circumstances,
I typically live alone.
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It's nice to have them here.
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What are you thinking?
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So, we will need
to quarantine?
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Them quarantining makes sense.
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But then after
the quarantining is over,
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does that mean we're gonna
be able to hang out?
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No, not according
to Kody's rules.
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So he's gonna see
Mariah and Audrey
after two weeks.
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But we won't. I'm not dumb.
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I'm the only one
going from house to house.
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Right now,
I'm going from Robyn's house
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to Christine's house
and back to Robyn's house
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and then to Christine's house.
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My kids aren't seeing
their friends.
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My wives
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My kids
aren't seeing each other.
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Yeah.
So, we're in Flagstaff now.
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[Meri] Cody won't be
coming over to see them.
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Even though
they can't see him,
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you know,
they can talk to him.
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That's like a lot
of specific precautions.
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I think it's kind of extreme.
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If you leave it
all in the freezer
and in the cold,
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well, then,
like grocery shopping
and things like that,
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how much time are you
supposed to wait before
you bring the stuff inside?
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Everybody's touching
all of my stuff.
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You know, the box of cereal
that I just put
in my cupboard.
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You know someone else
at the store touched that,
right?
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The mom grabbed,
the kid grabbed it,
reading the contents,
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decided they didn't want it,
they put it back.
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They've touched it,
then I touch it
and I put it in my cart.
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Then the person
who scans it touches it.
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The person who bags it,
touches it.
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Well, at what point
are you really safe?
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We're not going back to normal
for a very long time.
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[Meri] We're creating
a new normal.
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Yeah, the new...
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They say that a person
needs four hugs a day
just to survive.
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And people probably
are not getting
four hugs a day right now.
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I love hugs and touch
from the appropriate person,
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you know what I mean?
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And when you don't have that,
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it's like it feels really,
really lonely.
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I'm really careful
about pushing Kody
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because I don't want him
to feel like
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I'm being demanding or pushy
or anything like that.
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You know, I don't know
what Kody is gonna be doing
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after the two weeks'
quarantine.
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I don't know
what his plans are.
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I can't speak to that,
honestly.
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He doesn't typically
come to my house very often.
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Maybe now that Mariah
and Audrey are here,
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he might come
and visit with them
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at the end of the two weeks.
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But he basically
is just gonna be
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going between Janelle
and Christine and Robyn.
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That's typically what he does.
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Just calling it like it is.
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There's just been nothing
going on between me and Meri.
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And she interacts
with the family
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for the holidays
and the birthdays,
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we get together
once in a while,
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I see Meri
once in a blue moon,
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but we quit dating.
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And that's just probably
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because I quit calling her to say,
"Let's go do something."
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But, Dad, so many people
are going to die from this.
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A human life
is far more important to me
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than a single dollar
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or a million dollars
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or the whole world, okay?
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When it's your family member
that dies,
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it won't matter
one hair of a bit
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whether or not the economy
is going well or not.
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If you're not
a privileged individual,
which Mariah sort of is,
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the economy
is life and death to you.
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If you don't work,
you don't feed your kids.
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She's just seeing,
"We've got to save grandma,"
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which I do not disagree with.
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But, Dad, the economy
is not more important
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than human beings.
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It's horrible.
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It's horrible
what's going on right now.
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And I'm having a hard time
wrapping my head around it.
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And we're not even seeing
the worst of it.
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When we lived in Vegas,
Mariah would come home.
273
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I would tell Kody,
"No politics in my home.
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We are not
discussing politics."
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Yeah, no. But they always
go back to politics.
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Always.
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-It is, yeah.
-Yeah.
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-[Meri] It is.
-Either I... Yeah.
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All right, I love you, Dad.
We'll see you soon.
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-We'll chat later. Love you.
-Okay, love you.
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Bye.
282
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So now I feel
like I need another nap
after that conversation.
283
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[Meri laughing] Go take a nap.
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[Mariah] Because that was
just like too much for me.
285
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I feel like that
after every conversation
with Kody,
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every single one,
287
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I feel like I have
to go take a nap.
288
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I'm not kidding.
You know what I'm gonna do
when I get home after this?
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I'm gonna go take a nap!
290
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[Kody] I called Gabe
more than once
291
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because I have
long conversations with him,
292
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but one of the calls I made,
293
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he was actually
at his girlfriend's.
294
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I mean, we didn't talk.
295
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And that was the first time
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I ever knew
he had a girlfriend.
297
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And we're not gonna
see Dad anyway,
298
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so why would I
social distance?
299
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[somber music]
300
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[Christine] I think
it's super sad
301
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that Janelle and Kody
have to be separated.
302
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It's gonna be hard
for Janelle,
303
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it's gonna be hard
for the kids.
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[Robyn] I worry about the fact that we're not gonna be seeing each other as a family.
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[Janelle] Hey, you guys.
All right, so come.
306
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I need to gather with you
for a minute.
307
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-Okay.
-[Gabe] Come, come.
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[Janelle] Now, I need to kind
of have that conversation
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with my kids that Dad's
not gonna be around
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for a little bit
by my asking him.
311
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So I had
a conversation with Dad and...
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everybody's pretty worried
about how contagious
the COVID virus is,
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the coronavirus.
314
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So, I suggested to Dad
that he maybe not come over
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for a couple of weeks.
316
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I kind of did this to you.
317
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I kind of made the decision,
318
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but I don't know
how else to do it.
319
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You shouldn't
take the blame, Mama.
320
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The blame is COVID,
the blame is the disease.
321
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How does Dad feel about it?
322
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When I suggested it,
he was kind of upset
323
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'cause I kind of made
the decision.
324
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And you're still involved
with people from campus.
325
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I just don't think it's gonna
be a very big deal.
326
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-[Janelle] You don't think so?
-No.
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Like your friends,
nobody's worried, like...
328
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Nobody I talked to
is really worried about it.
329
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[Janelle] And I know
you're working still
and you're on job sites.
330
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I mean, like,
are you working with people--
331
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Still going to job sites,
I'm still at...
There's still work there.
332
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They're still crowded.
333
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Garrison works as a contractor
for homebuilders
in this valley.
334
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And so he's out and about
at homesites every day.
335
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Dad said he'll, like,
video call you and...
336
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Like, he calls you, right?
337
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Yeah, he has. He's called me.
338
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Once.
339
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Well, maybe you could call him
sometimes, too.
340
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I mean, you're always,
like, with your girlfriend.
341
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All right, all right,
all right.
342
00:17:07,931 --> 00:17:09,793
Listen, I didn't
sign up for this.
343
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Uh...
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♪ Gabe's got a girlfriend
345
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Gabriel's really
only been dating this girl
for a few weeks,
346
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but he has a girlfriend
and they're all
in that first throe of, like,
347
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"Wow, this is so great."
348
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And they want to spend
all their time together,
and...
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I'm really happy
to see him find somebody
350
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who is a little bit
more level-headed.
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[Kody] I've called Gabe
more than once
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because I had
long conversations with him.
353
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But one of the calls I made,
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he was actually
at his girlfriend's.
355
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I mean, we didn't talk.
356
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And that was the first time
I ever knew
he had a girlfriend.
357
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"Oh, you're at girlfriend's.
358
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Oh, well,
she must be important,"
359
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'cause that's why
I feel like the family
can't be together,
360
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is because he's being exposed
to people we don't know.
361
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[Robyn] I've been
sort of grateful
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that the kids
aren't dating right now,
363
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'cause I wouldn't want
to have that conversation.
364
00:18:02,862 --> 00:18:04,103
Like, I think
that they're saying
365
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the incubation
is like two weeks.
366
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So, in two weeks,
we can see Dad?
367
00:18:08,965 --> 00:18:12,000
I don't know,
it could go a month,
368
00:18:13,034 --> 00:18:15,758
it could go six weeks.
369
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I sort of think
it's gonna go longer,
370
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but I just don't want
to freak the kids out
right now.
371
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-I mean--
-Where is he staying, then?
372
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He's between Christine
and Robyn's house
373
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because they are completely...
374
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Like, they don't...
they're not going anywhere.
375
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They're not leaving the house.
376
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And I feel a lot of pressure
on the family relationship
right now,
377
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because everybody
has such very different ideas
378
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about what
we're supposed to do here.
379
00:18:41,862 --> 00:18:47,413
It's just weird.
The communication
has really gotten worse,
380
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because it's not like
we're really working together
as a team.
381
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We've gotten used
to being so independent
382
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since we've moved
to Flagstaff.
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[Christine] How Kody feels,
how Janelle feels,
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how Robyn feels,
how I feel, how Meri feels,
385
00:19:01,655 --> 00:19:04,482
all of us should be able
to do what we need to do.
386
00:19:04,517 --> 00:19:05,965
Everybody's in a panic.
387
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[Kody] This isn't
just on Gabriel,
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this is on Garrison.
389
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This is on
every single household
390
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who chooses
what they're going to do
391
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and how they're going
to be exposed to others.
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[Janelle] I just feel
all this pressure
393
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on the family relationships.
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It's a very separate feeling
starting to happen.
395
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,965
And it's kind of
stressing me out
a little bit.
396
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,448
Our decisions are going
to affect each other,
397
00:19:28,482 --> 00:19:31,655
and that may have
some long-term effects
on the relationship.
398
00:19:31,689 --> 00:19:33,034
I just don't know.
399
00:19:33,068 --> 00:19:35,862
Christine and Robyn
have pretty much stayed home.
400
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I think we should just be
quarantining together.
401
00:19:38,517 --> 00:19:41,034
I mean, it makes
a lot more sense
to do it that way I think.
402
00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:43,517
'Cause you guys are out.
403
00:19:43,551 --> 00:19:44,620
[Garrison] Because
I gotta work.
404
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He's gotta work.
405
00:19:46,034 --> 00:19:47,172
I'm of the opinion,
406
00:19:47,206 --> 00:19:49,000
and a lot
of the other siblings
are of the opinion,
407
00:19:49,034 --> 00:19:52,344
that all the moms
should be quarantining
the kids together
408
00:19:52,379 --> 00:19:53,724
in one group,
409
00:19:53,758 --> 00:19:59,310
rather than separating us
into four groups by the moms.
410
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If it does go a month,
411
00:20:00,724 --> 00:20:01,896
I don't think
that's very fair,
412
00:20:01,931 --> 00:20:03,344
because then he'll have been
413
00:20:03,379 --> 00:20:06,137
with Christine and Robyn
for a whole month.
414
00:20:07,310 --> 00:20:10,206
I don't think it would
necessarily be fair to Mom
415
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to be distanced
or left out of the equation,
416
00:20:13,448 --> 00:20:15,827
and that's mostly
what I'm worried about.
417
00:20:15,862 --> 00:20:17,000
I think it's unfair,
418
00:20:17,034 --> 00:20:19,448
but it kind of is
what it is, man, like...
419
00:20:19,482 --> 00:20:20,896
Gabe and I are out and about.
420
00:20:20,931 --> 00:20:22,689
[Gabriel] No, I understand
why are you doing it,
but that's like...
421
00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:25,172
It's always been--
422
00:20:25,206 --> 00:20:27,034
What's the change
we need to make
to be able to see him?
423
00:20:27,068 --> 00:20:29,655
I think it's
a little bit unfair for him
to say, "Well, when can we?"
424
00:20:29,689 --> 00:20:32,724
You know? 'Cause it's really
kind of dependent
on these two boys.
425
00:20:33,551 --> 00:20:34,724
So you basically are home.
426
00:20:34,758 --> 00:20:36,586
I see you home now more
like you're--
427
00:20:36,620 --> 00:20:40,310
I am home more,
but I won't be home
all the time.
428
00:20:42,482 --> 00:20:43,896
And I mean,
429
00:20:43,931 --> 00:20:46,931
I kind of have to be
if Dad's quarantining from us,
430
00:20:46,965 --> 00:20:49,241
but if it's gonna go on
for a month, then...
431
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:54,620
Then what's the point
of, like, not hanging out
with everybody?
432
00:20:59,862 --> 00:21:01,241
I mean, I'm not at risk.
433
00:21:02,965 --> 00:21:04,896
Dad's not gonna
be here for a month,
434
00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:07,586
so I don't see a point
435
00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:09,724
in me not going
to see friends and stuff
436
00:21:09,758 --> 00:21:11,448
for at least
these initial two weeks.
437
00:21:11,482 --> 00:21:13,931
I'm cool
to like social distance
if we can see Dad,
438
00:21:13,965 --> 00:21:15,517
then that'll be all right,
439
00:21:15,551 --> 00:21:19,793
but if we're not
gonna see Dad anyway,
440
00:21:20,793 --> 00:21:21,896
why would I social distance?
441
00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:28,379
[Janelle] I've worried
about Gabriel
a little bit with this,
442
00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:29,896
because of all of my kids,
443
00:21:29,931 --> 00:21:34,896
he's the one who really loves
the deep conversations
with his dad,
444
00:21:34,931 --> 00:21:37,482
'cause I think he may feel it
emotionally the most.
445
00:21:37,517 --> 00:21:40,068
So, is Dad not going
to the store, then?
446
00:21:40,103 --> 00:21:41,551
No, he says he's not.
447
00:21:41,586 --> 00:21:44,137
-No? He's not going
to the store?
-Mm-mm.
448
00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:46,827
How is me going to school
once or twice a week
449
00:21:46,862 --> 00:21:49,482
any different from Robyn
going to the store
once or twice a week?
450
00:21:49,517 --> 00:21:51,586
Because she goes
and comes really fast
451
00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:53,241
and changes her clothes
afterwards and--
452
00:21:53,275 --> 00:21:54,896
All my classes
are socially distanced.
453
00:21:54,931 --> 00:21:57,000
Everyone wears a mask
on campus now.
454
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If one of us gets sick,
sixteen of us get sick.
455
00:22:00,034 --> 00:22:03,137
What if one of the 16 gets
really, really, really sick?
456
00:22:03,172 --> 00:22:06,241
What if one of us
gets sick enough that we die?
457
00:22:06,275 --> 00:22:07,482
I don't want
to take the chance.
458
00:22:07,517 --> 00:22:08,655
This virus
sounds really scary.
459
00:22:08,689 --> 00:22:10,482
[Savanah] Not with
the little ones. Not with Ari.
460
00:22:10,517 --> 00:22:12,655
If I were
in the position of Robyn
461
00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:15,551
and I had little ones
like Ari and Solomon,
462
00:22:15,586 --> 00:22:18,724
and then Truely as well,
I'd be like, "no."
463
00:22:18,758 --> 00:22:22,034
If we ever lost
the little ones
464
00:22:22,068 --> 00:22:25,103
due to not quarantining
properly,
465
00:22:25,137 --> 00:22:26,896
I would be devastated.
466
00:22:26,931 --> 00:22:31,275
I would be so mad at myself
because I was so nonchalant
about quarantining, you know.
467
00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:34,241
Solomon has had RSV,
468
00:22:34,275 --> 00:22:37,724
which is a virus
that affects the lungs.
469
00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:40,068
So, he is
at a higher risk for sure.
470
00:22:40,103 --> 00:22:44,068
I'm going a little crazy,
because I can't go anywhere.
471
00:22:44,103 --> 00:22:45,758
I can't do anything.
472
00:22:45,793 --> 00:22:47,965
I've lived apart
from Kody before.
473
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,068
Back when the family
moved from Wyoming to Utah,
474
00:22:50,103 --> 00:22:52,413
that was probably about 2004,
475
00:22:52,448 --> 00:22:56,448
I stayed behind in Wyoming,
and we were apart
for eight months.
476
00:22:56,482 --> 00:22:57,758
It was hard.
477
00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:00,310
He came up
as often as he could,
478
00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:03,413
so, we saw him
every couple of weeks
at least.
479
00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:06,275
But there's something
a little bit different
about this time.
480
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:08,551
It just seems like
this is like some sort
481
00:23:08,586 --> 00:23:10,482
of a thing that's hunting us,
almost.
482
00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:12,068
It just... It's so scary.
483
00:23:12,103 --> 00:23:15,413
[somber music]
484
00:23:19,758 --> 00:23:21,068
I'm at Robyn's house
right now,
485
00:23:21,103 --> 00:23:23,000
and I just got
some fantastic news
486
00:23:23,034 --> 00:23:24,620
from my friend Joe Darger,
487
00:23:24,655 --> 00:23:26,689
and I want to share it
with Robyn's kids
488
00:23:26,724 --> 00:23:29,827
and just see
what their reaction is.
489
00:23:29,862 --> 00:23:31,000
Come sit down, please, girls.
490
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,137
Mom and I
have gotta talk with you.
491
00:23:39,862 --> 00:23:41,206
[Kody] So it's April 10th,
492
00:23:41,241 --> 00:23:44,862
and we're still in the middle
of this coronavirus pandemic.
493
00:23:44,896 --> 00:23:47,379
We're still social distancing.
494
00:23:47,413 --> 00:23:49,172
We're still quarantining
as each family.
495
00:23:52,413 --> 00:23:53,758
I'm at Robyn's house
right now,
496
00:23:53,793 --> 00:23:55,689
and I just got
some fantastic news
497
00:23:55,724 --> 00:23:57,448
from my friend Joe Darger,
498
00:23:57,482 --> 00:23:59,482
and I want to share it
with Robyn's kids
499
00:23:59,517 --> 00:24:02,724
and just see
what their reaction is.
500
00:24:02,758 --> 00:24:04,413
Hey, Aurora, Breanna.
501
00:24:04,448 --> 00:24:06,827
Aurora, hey,
don't touch the camera,
the phone.
502
00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:08,620
Come sit down, please, girls.
503
00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:10,275
Mom and I
have gotta talk with you.
504
00:24:11,827 --> 00:24:14,241
So, Mom,
you want to tell them?
505
00:24:14,275 --> 00:24:15,827
Do you know the details?
506
00:24:15,862 --> 00:24:20,379
[Robyn] We have some
really fun, exciting news
to tell the kids today.
507
00:24:20,413 --> 00:24:21,862
I'm just so excited.
508
00:24:21,896 --> 00:24:25,206
This is news we've hoped
to actually give our kids
for ten years or more.
509
00:24:25,241 --> 00:24:26,103
Yeah.
510
00:24:26,137 --> 00:24:27,965
Basically, yesterday,
511
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000
the governor of Utah
signed the new law,
512
00:24:32,034 --> 00:24:35,586
basically making
plural marriage
an infraction,
513
00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:40,620
which is like equal
to a traffic ticket,
514
00:24:40,655 --> 00:24:42,965
which is basically
and essentially
515
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,103
decriminalizing plural marriage.
516
00:24:45,137 --> 00:24:45,931
Really?
517
00:24:45,965 --> 00:24:47,758
That's awesome.
518
00:24:47,793 --> 00:24:51,931
We're, like, no longer felons
for living our religion.
519
00:24:51,965 --> 00:24:54,931
For about 50 years
after the Mormon pioneers
came to Salt Lake
520
00:24:54,965 --> 00:24:57,000
in about 1847,
521
00:24:57,034 --> 00:24:59,172
they practiced polygamy,
it was part of the religion.
522
00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,758
It was just a thing
that was done.
523
00:25:00,793 --> 00:25:02,275
It wasn't weird.
524
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:04,517
And then, about 1890,
525
00:25:04,551 --> 00:25:06,793
they decided they wanted
to try for statehood.
526
00:25:06,827 --> 00:25:09,275
So, in order to do that,
they had to outlaw polygamy.
527
00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:11,103
And it's been illegal
ever since.
528
00:25:11,137 --> 00:25:13,931
For 150 years,
we've been felons.
529
00:25:13,965 --> 00:25:16,206
It's like I don't believe it.
It's so surreal.
530
00:25:16,241 --> 00:25:20,103
Honestly,
it's basic human rights,
civil rights.
531
00:25:20,137 --> 00:25:22,551
I don't think Kody
sharing a bedroom
532
00:25:22,586 --> 00:25:28,068
with another adult woman
is hurting anybody else.
533
00:25:28,103 --> 00:25:29,827
A senator
actually submitted a bill.
534
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,931
The senator did a lot
of research after studying,
535
00:25:32,965 --> 00:25:35,000
and basically
she came right out
536
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:38,896
and said exactly
what we've been saying
for maybe 20 years,
537
00:25:38,931 --> 00:25:43,551
that decriminalization
will start opening up
the societies.
538
00:25:43,586 --> 00:25:46,034
It'll get
this polygamist community,
539
00:25:46,068 --> 00:25:48,620
which is vast and various
different groups of people,
540
00:25:48,655 --> 00:25:50,310
to open up.
541
00:25:50,344 --> 00:25:53,896
If anybody
is breaking other laws
that have to do with polygamy,
542
00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:56,137
like the culture of polygamy
in southern Utah,
543
00:25:57,137 --> 00:26:00,586
then they'll be prosecuted
as felons.
544
00:26:00,620 --> 00:26:04,206
You honestly want to clean up
the problems in polygamy?
545
00:26:04,241 --> 00:26:05,620
Yeah!
546
00:26:05,655 --> 00:26:08,172
You allow women
who are plural wives
to have a marriage license.
547
00:26:08,206 --> 00:26:09,275
[Robyn] Yeah.
548
00:26:09,310 --> 00:26:11,655
I'll tell you what,
that would be a threat to me.
549
00:26:11,689 --> 00:26:13,379
[laughing]
550
00:26:13,413 --> 00:26:15,655
First of all, you have the man
551
00:26:15,689 --> 00:26:18,275
who is willing to shoulder
that responsibility,
552
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:20,172
is going to take it seriously.
553
00:26:20,206 --> 00:26:21,482
-And second of all...
-Divorce you?
554
00:26:21,517 --> 00:26:22,689
That's a lot of alimony.
555
00:26:22,724 --> 00:26:25,758
If that wife
is getting abused
and she leaves,
556
00:26:25,793 --> 00:26:27,655
she can clean the house.
557
00:26:27,689 --> 00:26:28,517
[Robyn] Yeah.
558
00:26:28,551 --> 00:26:30,172
That's a lot
of child support, too.
559
00:26:30,206 --> 00:26:32,724
[Kody] What do you two think?
You two goof-offs.
560
00:26:37,413 --> 00:26:39,620
[Kody] Well, thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
561
00:26:39,655 --> 00:26:41,586
[Kody] And, oh,
there's more comments, Mom.
562
00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:49,103
She likes the house.
[laughing]
563
00:26:49,137 --> 00:26:52,689
She's just in her little cute,
little four-year-old head
just kind of going,
564
00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:54,758
"I have something
to say here."
565
00:26:54,793 --> 00:27:01,793
Ariella is a life force
of uncontrollable energy,
566
00:27:01,827 --> 00:27:08,793
and she cannot sit long
and she's in your face
or in her own world.
567
00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:14,931
But we've really struggled
with disciplining her
for silence and quiet.
568
00:27:14,965 --> 00:27:18,000
This whole conversation
is just going over her head.
569
00:27:18,034 --> 00:27:21,827
So she's having a hard time
kind of sitting still
and being quiet, you know,
570
00:27:21,862 --> 00:27:23,275
and it's not all about her.
571
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:25,310
So, she doesn't want
to really listen.
572
00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:26,586
So, she's kind
of in the background
573
00:27:26,620 --> 00:27:28,137
making a whole bunch
of noise and...
574
00:27:28,172 --> 00:27:30,379
Trying to distract us
from our conversation.
575
00:27:30,413 --> 00:27:32,724
[Robyn] Do you think
families like ours,
576
00:27:32,758 --> 00:27:35,034
where there's one dad
and more than one mom,
577
00:27:35,068 --> 00:27:38,482
do you think
that they should be able
to live how they want to live?
578
00:27:38,517 --> 00:27:41,551
I think it's really cool,
especially for the families
that are living there...
579
00:27:41,586 --> 00:27:42,482
[Kody] Yeah.
580
00:27:42,517 --> 00:27:43,724
...they don't have
to worry as much,
581
00:27:43,758 --> 00:27:47,896
and then, like, all the people
that are suffering
582
00:27:47,931 --> 00:27:51,413
both because they're afraid
to live their lives
583
00:27:51,448 --> 00:27:52,379
as their family
584
00:27:52,413 --> 00:27:54,862
and because
of some of the scary things
585
00:27:54,896 --> 00:27:57,034
that do happen
in some polygamous families,
586
00:27:57,068 --> 00:27:59,103
they don't have to suffer
as much anymore.
587
00:27:59,137 --> 00:28:00,689
-[Kody] Yeah.
-So, that's really cool.
588
00:28:00,724 --> 00:28:05,206
Here is this bill that
we've been really working for,
for a decade.
589
00:28:05,241 --> 00:28:10,344
And it's sort of anticlimactic
that I can't go and celebrate
in a very big way
590
00:28:10,379 --> 00:28:12,655
with the people who would care
that this has passed.
591
00:28:12,689 --> 00:28:17,862
Plural marriage is not legal
and it's not allowed.
592
00:28:17,896 --> 00:28:21,931
But instead of, you know,
threatening people
with jail and...
593
00:28:21,965 --> 00:28:23,172
[Robyn] It's like a traffic--
594
00:28:23,206 --> 00:28:25,275
[Kody] You get a $70 ticket
or something. I have no idea.
595
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:26,862
If I ever got
a ticket there for it,
596
00:28:27,586 --> 00:28:29,172
I'm gonna sue.
597
00:28:29,206 --> 00:28:30,103
Yeah.
598
00:28:30,137 --> 00:28:32,103
If I got a ticket
for being a polygamist,
599
00:28:32,137 --> 00:28:34,724
for cohabitation in Utah,
600
00:28:34,758 --> 00:28:37,137
I would turn around
and sue the State
601
00:28:37,172 --> 00:28:40,275
for the violation
of my civil rights.
602
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:42,896
There's still some fire
in my bones, man.
603
00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:46,586
I want to sue them again.
604
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:49,896
[laughing] I relished
that experience.
605
00:28:49,931 --> 00:28:51,517
I'll mortgage Coyote Pass.
606
00:28:51,551 --> 00:28:52,551
[laughing]
607
00:28:52,586 --> 00:28:54,241
I'd sell Coyote Pass
to sue the State of Utah.
608
00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:55,896
-Wow, this escalated.
-[Kody] Oh, yeah.
609
00:28:55,931 --> 00:28:59,655
Next time
I sue the State of Utah,
I'm gonna get compensated.
610
00:28:59,689 --> 00:29:00,896
Oh, my God!
611
00:29:00,931 --> 00:29:02,068
We told them
we didn't want money.
612
00:29:02,103 --> 00:29:04,310
-We just wanted
to change the law [bleep].
-Stop!
613
00:29:04,344 --> 00:29:05,793
[laughing] Oh!
614
00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:07,137
Stop!
615
00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:12,827
Stay-at-home order.
616
00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:15,000
It doesn't sound like
a stay-at-home order.
617
00:29:15,034 --> 00:29:16,758
Stay-at-home
is really different
618
00:29:16,793 --> 00:29:19,896
than the police stopping me
to ask me
if I'm okay to be out.
619
00:29:19,931 --> 00:29:22,103
[Kody] We don't know
if you're going
to be able to walk.
620
00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:23,758
We don't know
how you're gonna graduate.
621
00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:26,310
Their health is more important
622
00:29:26,344 --> 00:29:28,448
than a prom
or a graduation any day.
623
00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:35,241
[Janelle] So,
here's where you start
to get paranoid, right?
624
00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:40,586
Today, I had contact
with random people
625
00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:42,586
who had been
in the same county
626
00:29:42,620 --> 00:29:45,586
where the new case
has been diagnosed,
627
00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:46,827
Navajo County.
628
00:29:46,862 --> 00:29:48,413
And so, then I'm like,
"Oh, my goodness,
629
00:29:48,448 --> 00:29:50,275
did I have
the wrong kind of contact?
630
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:52,137
Did I remember
to wash my hands?"
631
00:29:52,172 --> 00:29:53,758
Like, "I don't know,
do I carry it?
632
00:29:53,793 --> 00:29:55,448
Is it possible
that I was exposed?"
633
00:29:55,482 --> 00:29:58,310
I mean, okay, look,
I'm rational and...
634
00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:00,551
I don't know.
635
00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:02,931
I don't know the answers
and it's kind of scary.
636
00:30:02,965 --> 00:30:05,689
[somber music]
637
00:30:14,344 --> 00:30:15,413
[Kody] Hi.
638
00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:17,241
Did you get some news
that I didn't get?
639
00:30:31,137 --> 00:30:32,793
Stay-at-home
is really different
640
00:30:32,827 --> 00:30:35,965
than the police stopping me
to ask me
if I'm okay to be out.
641
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,931
So they can pull people over
on the road?
642
00:30:39,965 --> 00:30:40,862
I don't know.
643
00:30:40,896 --> 00:30:43,965
Like, that seems
very dictatorship to me.
644
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,103
If the police are gonna
be looking for my papers.
645
00:30:46,137 --> 00:30:47,172
Sounds like the Gestapo.
646
00:30:47,206 --> 00:30:48,931
"Do you have your papers?
Do you have your papers?"
647
00:30:48,965 --> 00:30:50,689
I didn't know
it was that serious.
648
00:31:02,551 --> 00:31:05,620
It's almost
like you can't control
that you're exposed.
649
00:31:05,655 --> 00:31:07,724
So you're gonna just get it?
I don't know.
650
00:31:07,758 --> 00:31:10,275
It's kind of scary to see
the numbers jumping so fast.
651
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:11,827
In our little town,
652
00:31:11,862 --> 00:31:15,724
like, our houses aren't
all on top of each other.
653
00:31:15,758 --> 00:31:18,000
Our streets
aren't that crowded.
654
00:31:18,034 --> 00:31:19,344
It's so scary.
655
00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:21,310
All right.
Thanks for the info.
656
00:31:21,344 --> 00:31:22,344
Love you. We'll see you.
657
00:31:23,206 --> 00:31:23,931
[Kody] Bye.
658
00:31:24,827 --> 00:31:26,758
We're under
a stay-at-home order now.
659
00:31:26,793 --> 00:31:28,034
We are under
a stay-at-home order,
660
00:31:28,068 --> 00:31:29,413
but I don't know
what that means, though.
661
00:31:29,448 --> 00:31:30,379
It's so bizarre.
662
00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:31,758
[Christine] I don't know
what that means.
663
00:31:31,793 --> 00:31:33,000
Means you don't go anywhere.
664
00:31:33,034 --> 00:31:36,206
They're saying groups
over ten can't get together.
665
00:31:36,241 --> 00:31:39,241
And that's us,
that's our family
whenever we get together,
666
00:31:39,275 --> 00:31:41,344
we're bigger
than a group of ten for sure.
667
00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:54,344
So, we found out
that the kids are gonna be
out of school
668
00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:55,413
for the rest of the year.
669
00:31:55,448 --> 00:31:57,689
We want to talk to Aurora
and Breanna about this.
670
00:31:57,724 --> 00:32:01,586
The school is not going
to be reopening.
671
00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:05,137
Online school
is how they are going
to finish out the year.
672
00:32:05,172 --> 00:32:07,275
We also have
two birthdays coming up.
673
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:08,551
Well, actually, five.
674
00:32:08,586 --> 00:32:12,862
We have Garrison's,
Breanna's, Aurora's,
675
00:32:12,896 --> 00:32:14,586
Christine's, Truely's.
676
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:17,655
This is
Aurora's 18th birthday,
which is kind of a...
677
00:32:19,413 --> 00:32:21,068
-What's the word?
-That's a special...
678
00:32:21,103 --> 00:32:22,413
That's a benchmark birthday.
679
00:32:22,448 --> 00:32:25,103
It's just kind
of like this whole weird,
crazy thing that's like,
680
00:32:25,137 --> 00:32:27,137
"Okay, how
are we gonna do this?"
681
00:32:27,172 --> 00:32:29,344
They have made
the announcement
682
00:32:29,379 --> 00:32:33,965
that school
is going to be canceled
683
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,034
for the rest of the year.
684
00:32:39,310 --> 00:32:40,862
I didn't know it was that bad.
685
00:32:40,896 --> 00:32:42,379
[Kody] It's tough on seniors,
686
00:32:42,413 --> 00:32:44,827
because we don't know
how long the seniors...
687
00:32:44,862 --> 00:32:47,241
We don't know if you're gonna
be able to walk.
688
00:32:47,275 --> 00:32:49,000
We don't know
how you're gonna graduate.
689
00:32:50,448 --> 00:32:53,724
As long as
it's not canceled, I'll deal,
690
00:32:53,758 --> 00:32:56,310
but if it's canceled,
that would really suck.
691
00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:00,241
'Cause like...
692
00:33:04,275 --> 00:33:06,379
I don't know,
being, like, the one year
693
00:33:06,413 --> 00:33:09,068
that doesn't get to walk
out of, like, so many.
694
00:33:09,103 --> 00:33:10,206
[Robyn] Yeah.
695
00:33:10,241 --> 00:33:12,413
But 'cause like everyone...
696
00:33:14,448 --> 00:33:16,275
a bunch of seniors
are talking about it,
697
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:19,620
how we always grew up
thinking that we were so cool.
698
00:33:19,655 --> 00:33:22,931
That 2020 would be
like the best year
to graduate, and the coolest,
699
00:33:22,965 --> 00:33:24,689
and now
we're all like hating it,
700
00:33:24,724 --> 00:33:26,482
because it feels like the worst.
701
00:33:27,965 --> 00:33:28,931
-So...
-[Robyn] Yeah.
702
00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:32,724
At this point, you know,
these kids are young
703
00:33:32,758 --> 00:33:35,517
and they're not
quite understanding
the gravity of the situation.
704
00:33:35,551 --> 00:33:36,827
Their health is more important
705
00:33:36,862 --> 00:33:39,000
than a prom
or a graduation any day.
706
00:33:42,172 --> 00:33:45,689
Because I know
both of your birthdays
are coming up
707
00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:47,620
and because we're quarantined,
708
00:33:47,655 --> 00:33:50,448
we're gonna have
to do birthday parties
without the whole family.
709
00:33:50,482 --> 00:33:52,379
[Kody] So, Grandma
and Grandpa can't come.
710
00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:53,931
Family members can't come.
711
00:33:54,758 --> 00:33:56,620
What I'm hoping
is that you guys
712
00:33:56,655 --> 00:33:59,758
do, like, legitimately
understand why.
713
00:33:59,793 --> 00:34:02,827
The reason
why we're being careful
714
00:34:02,862 --> 00:34:05,000
is so we don't have
somebody die.
715
00:34:09,448 --> 00:34:11,000
It's devastating.
716
00:34:11,034 --> 00:34:14,827
Truely's really
melted down, big time.
717
00:34:14,862 --> 00:34:17,448
We love getting together,
we love birthdays.
718
00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:18,931
There's a lot
of plural families
719
00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:21,551
that do birthdays separate
and do everything separate.
720
00:34:21,586 --> 00:34:24,689
We've never been that family,
but we are now.
721
00:34:24,724 --> 00:34:29,137
Kody will come over
and we'll just do
Truely's birthday separate
722
00:34:29,172 --> 00:34:30,482
and mine will be separate.
723
00:34:30,517 --> 00:34:33,482
And we won't go
to Robyn's house
for Breanna's and Aurora's,
724
00:34:33,517 --> 00:34:35,482
and we won't go
to Janelle's for Garrison's.
725
00:34:35,517 --> 00:34:36,827
It's so hard.
726
00:34:36,862 --> 00:34:38,517
[Robyn] We wanted
to kind of talk to you guys
727
00:34:38,551 --> 00:34:40,206
'cause we want to see
what we could do
728
00:34:40,241 --> 00:34:42,379
to maybe, somehow,
still make it special.
729
00:34:43,137 --> 00:34:44,103
Okay.
730
00:34:44,137 --> 00:34:46,034
[Robyn] Okay, what's the...
731
00:34:46,068 --> 00:34:47,310
We just have a gift idea.
732
00:34:47,344 --> 00:34:50,000
[Robyn] Oh, you do, finally.
Okay, that's good.
733
00:34:50,034 --> 00:34:53,413
I was talking about
an emotional-support
animal earlier
734
00:34:53,448 --> 00:34:55,689
and Breanna was just like,
"I kind of want a pet, too,"
735
00:34:55,724 --> 00:34:58,862
so I was like, "We could get
like a medium-size dog
or something."
736
00:34:58,896 --> 00:35:01,517
[Kody] I'd rather feed
a horse regularly.
737
00:35:01,551 --> 00:35:03,655
[laughing]
738
00:35:03,689 --> 00:35:07,172
I've thought Robyn's family
should have a dog
for a long time.
739
00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:09,172
I'm a big dog person.
I have two.
740
00:35:09,206 --> 00:35:11,965
Kody has been
opposed to dogs since day one.
741
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,793
I don't know why
he's, like, so against them.
742
00:35:15,827 --> 00:35:18,034
I would rather have
to feed a horse
743
00:35:18,068 --> 00:35:20,896
than to ever have a dog,
another dog in my house.
744
00:35:20,931 --> 00:35:22,689
-I have scratchy eyes.
-[Aurora] Well, why...
745
00:35:22,724 --> 00:35:24,689
Why don't you just break down?
746
00:35:24,724 --> 00:35:26,655
[Kody] Wait, horses,
you'd love a horse.
747
00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:30,344
With animals just comes
a ton of responsibility.
748
00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,103
And with me going
from house to house,
749
00:35:32,137 --> 00:35:33,862
I don't always feel
like I've got the ability
750
00:35:33,896 --> 00:35:35,689
to be responsible
for the animals.
751
00:35:35,724 --> 00:35:41,206
I just don't know what to do
about the inconvenience
of them in my life.
752
00:35:41,241 --> 00:35:43,137
And I just don't know
what to do
753
00:35:43,172 --> 00:35:46,448
about the hair
all over my pants
and my suit coats.
754
00:35:46,482 --> 00:35:47,448
Wouldn't you like a horse?
755
00:35:47,482 --> 00:35:48,896
[Robyn] Why don't you
just say, "Never mind,
756
00:35:48,931 --> 00:35:50,310
you can't have
your birthday wish"?
757
00:35:50,344 --> 00:35:52,413
-How about you say,
"I'm a mean daddy"?
-[Kody] Oh, gosh.
758
00:35:52,448 --> 00:35:54,793
I'm not killing...
I'm not killing
their birthday here.
759
00:35:54,827 --> 00:35:55,827
Oh, I don't know.
760
00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:57,862
You just sat there and said...
761
00:35:57,896 --> 00:35:59,862
[Kody] Yeah, I'm not killing
their birthday here.
762
00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:01,310
When you have a dog,
763
00:36:01,344 --> 00:36:03,586
you have to take it
to college with you
if you leave the house.
764
00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:05,655
Does that mean you're going
to the same college together?
765
00:36:05,689 --> 00:36:07,482
You're moving together,
marrying the same man?
766
00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:09,758
[Robyn laughing]
767
00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:12,000
That's such
a plural family joke.
768
00:36:12,034 --> 00:36:14,724
That joke would not...
would make no sense
769
00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:17,931
or even fly
in a monogamous culture.
770
00:36:17,965 --> 00:36:19,482
[Kody] You guys
can have a milk cow...
771
00:36:19,517 --> 00:36:21,862
[laughter]
772
00:36:21,896 --> 00:36:23,896
...and chickens.
773
00:36:23,931 --> 00:36:26,482
Wait, wait, wait.
He thinks a dog
is a bunch of work,
774
00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:29,034
but he's willing
to take on a fricking cow
and chickens?
775
00:36:29,068 --> 00:36:31,103
If we had cows and chickens
out in the property,
776
00:36:31,137 --> 00:36:32,379
do you know
who'd take care of them?
777
00:36:32,413 --> 00:36:36,000
Me, probably, not Kody.
My gosh.
778
00:36:36,034 --> 00:36:38,034
Well, this has been
a fun conversation.
779
00:36:38,068 --> 00:36:40,275
I've got other places
I have to go.
780
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:41,931
I love all of you.
781
00:36:41,965 --> 00:36:43,310
See you later.
782
00:36:46,724 --> 00:36:49,103
Are you saying we're meant
to move back to Utah?
783
00:36:49,137 --> 00:36:50,137
'Cause I disagree.
784
00:36:50,172 --> 00:36:51,793
I'm pretty shocked.
785
00:36:51,827 --> 00:36:54,068
All those
in favor of objecting
say, "I."
786
00:36:54,103 --> 00:36:55,275
[both] I.
787
00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:57,413
Just, "No,
they don't want to go back"?
788
00:36:57,448 --> 00:36:58,965
Why wouldn't they want
to go back?
789
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,344
Why do we move so much?
790
00:37:01,379 --> 00:37:03,241
Why can't we just pick a place
and stay there?
791
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:10,689
[gentle music]
792
00:37:15,896 --> 00:37:17,172
[Christine] The roads
are empty.
793
00:37:17,206 --> 00:37:20,172
Usually the Flagstaff traffic
is terrible in Flagstaff.
794
00:37:20,862 --> 00:37:22,448
It's weird.
795
00:37:22,482 --> 00:37:24,206
It's almost eerie.
It's like you're driving
in the middle of the night
796
00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:26,034
because
there's not a lot of cars.
797
00:37:26,068 --> 00:37:27,275
We got what we needed.
798
00:37:27,310 --> 00:37:28,793
We don't plan
on going out again
for a long time.
799
00:37:28,827 --> 00:37:30,068
We don't need to.
800
00:37:30,103 --> 00:37:32,000
[imperceptible]
801
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,551
Okay, I just wanna
tell you guys.
802
00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:37,448
Okay, do you remember how...
803
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:42,448
Polygamy's
decriminalized in Utah.
804
00:37:42,482 --> 00:37:44,137
Oh, good, oh, good.
805
00:37:44,172 --> 00:37:46,448
[Christine] Polygamy
is decriminalized.
806
00:37:46,482 --> 00:37:48,965
The governor signed a law.
807
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,793
I can't believe it's happened. I'm serious.
808
00:37:50,827 --> 00:37:52,793
I can't believe it's happened.
809
00:37:52,827 --> 00:37:54,862
Now is the time for a party.
810
00:37:54,896 --> 00:37:57,206
Now is the time
for a huge celebration.
811
00:37:57,241 --> 00:37:58,758
But because of COVID,
812
00:37:58,793 --> 00:38:01,103
I am just telling
my daughters. That's it.
813
00:38:01,137 --> 00:38:02,758
Well, what do you guys think?
814
00:38:02,793 --> 00:38:04,103
That's so good.
815
00:38:04,137 --> 00:38:06,586
-I think it's the best news
I've ever heard.
-That's like...
816
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:09,551
We've done a lot
for all the people in Utah.
817
00:38:09,586 --> 00:38:11,931
[Christine] I think so.
I think going public
was a big deal.
818
00:38:11,965 --> 00:38:12,896
Our family? Sure.
819
00:38:12,931 --> 00:38:14,655
Going public
and showing the outside world
820
00:38:14,689 --> 00:38:17,758
that polygamy
isn't some huge, scary cult.
821
00:38:17,793 --> 00:38:19,172
We're just a family
trying to raise
822
00:38:19,206 --> 00:38:21,344
productive kids
and members of society.
823
00:38:21,379 --> 00:38:25,103
But the real credit of this
goes to Joe Darger
and his family.
824
00:38:25,137 --> 00:38:28,827
We left the state
and they kept fighting.
825
00:38:28,862 --> 00:38:31,931
[Joe] Families, not felons!
Keep marching!
826
00:38:33,068 --> 00:38:37,758
Not felons!
Families, not felons!
827
00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:42,517
My whole life, I lived in fear
of that the police finding out
828
00:38:42,551 --> 00:38:44,034
that my dad lived polygamy
829
00:38:44,068 --> 00:38:46,517
and they could come
into our house
830
00:38:46,551 --> 00:38:49,586
and take my dad
and I wouldn't see
my dad anymore.
831
00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:53,137
That was reality to me.
832
00:38:53,172 --> 00:38:55,655
That was my every day,
I realized that.
833
00:38:55,689 --> 00:38:57,310
So I'd go to school
with that knowledge.
834
00:38:57,344 --> 00:38:59,206
I'd interact with my friends
with that knowledge.
835
00:38:59,241 --> 00:39:01,344
I always had that knowledge.
836
00:39:03,862 --> 00:39:05,931
And then when
we raised our children,
837
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,758
we weren't as secretive
as I was growing up.
838
00:39:10,793 --> 00:39:12,379
It's a cultural thing.
839
00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:17,482
It was really a cultural thing in our church to be secretive.
840
00:39:17,517 --> 00:39:19,275
But the outside world
is scary.
841
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:22,379
It's super, super scary
because if they find out
you live polygamy,
842
00:39:22,413 --> 00:39:26,517
they're gonna come in
and separate families
and take dads away.
843
00:39:26,551 --> 00:39:28,517
That's what
we were raised with.
844
00:39:28,551 --> 00:39:32,206
When we first heard
about this bill, the SB102,
845
00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:33,724
my first thought was,
846
00:39:33,758 --> 00:39:36,413
"Well, as if...
As if it's gonna pass,
847
00:39:36,448 --> 00:39:38,896
but if it passes, awesome.
Let's go back home."
848
00:39:38,931 --> 00:39:40,689
How do you feel
about moving back?
849
00:39:41,344 --> 00:39:43,172
I don't want to move back.
850
00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:45,206
I like where we are.
851
00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:46,482
I think it's better.
852
00:39:46,517 --> 00:39:49,551
Plus, we've already like
put a ton of money
into Coyote Pass.
853
00:39:49,586 --> 00:39:51,310
Which we haven't built on.
854
00:39:51,896 --> 00:39:53,862
Yeah, which is weird.
855
00:39:53,896 --> 00:39:56,413
Please, because
I have friends here,
I'm finally settled.
856
00:39:56,448 --> 00:39:58,517
Are you saying
we're, like, meant
to move back to Utah?
857
00:39:58,551 --> 00:39:59,655
'Cause I disagree.
858
00:40:00,965 --> 00:40:01,827
Huh.
859
00:40:05,448 --> 00:40:06,862
I'm pretty shocked.
860
00:40:06,896 --> 00:40:09,068
Just "No,
they don't want to go back"?
861
00:40:09,103 --> 00:40:10,586
Why wouldn't
they want to go back?
862
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:13,206
-You for sure would never
want to move back to Utah.
-No.
863
00:40:14,275 --> 00:40:16,896
No, I don't think
I want to move back either.
864
00:40:16,931 --> 00:40:18,034
We've already settled.
865
00:40:19,965 --> 00:40:21,379
I mean,
"no" means "no" right now,
866
00:40:21,413 --> 00:40:23,862
but maybe "no" won't mean "no"
in, like, three years,
I don't know.
867
00:40:23,896 --> 00:40:25,965
I mean, it's good news, right?
868
00:40:26,931 --> 00:40:29,137
Congratulations, Mom,
that's awesome.
869
00:40:29,172 --> 00:40:30,275
-I'm so proud of you.
-Yeah!
870
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:31,862
-It's nice.
-You've done
so much hard work.
871
00:40:31,896 --> 00:40:34,103
-You have.
-But we're not going back.
872
00:40:34,137 --> 00:40:35,758
-So we'll resist.
-[Truely] We're not
going back.
873
00:40:35,793 --> 00:40:36,896
I object.
874
00:40:36,931 --> 00:40:38,413
-Yes.
-I object, too.
875
00:40:38,448 --> 00:40:40,000
I object.
876
00:40:40,034 --> 00:40:42,172
All those in favor
of objecting, say "I."
877
00:40:42,206 --> 00:40:43,000
[both] I!
878
00:40:43,931 --> 00:40:46,862
Why would we build
on Coyote Pass?
879
00:40:46,896 --> 00:40:49,586
We haven't done anything
on the land anyway,
880
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:51,206
so why don't we just sell it,
881
00:40:51,241 --> 00:40:55,172
use that money
towards purchasing
some land in Utah?
882
00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:57,172
Yeah, like,
why would we build?
883
00:40:57,206 --> 00:40:59,896
I know that's the vision
and that's the dream,
884
00:40:59,931 --> 00:41:02,482
being all back together again.
885
00:41:02,517 --> 00:41:04,448
What if we had more of a plan?
886
00:41:04,482 --> 00:41:08,034
So, what if we decided
to sell Coyote Pass,
all of that land?
887
00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:09,724
People are interested
right now.
888
00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:11,482
People are interested
in buying.
889
00:41:11,517 --> 00:41:17,000
Why would we just throw away
Coyote Pass now?
890
00:41:17,034 --> 00:41:19,310
I'm not saying
we have to move right away.
891
00:41:20,482 --> 00:41:23,448
I know the girls
didn't take this very well,
892
00:41:23,482 --> 00:41:28,344
but I'm a little more hopeful
of talking to Kody
and the other adults,
893
00:41:28,379 --> 00:41:30,965
'cause I think
this is the next logical step.
894
00:41:32,413 --> 00:41:34,896
Why do we move so much?
895
00:41:34,931 --> 00:41:36,758
Why can't we just pick a place
and stay there?
896
00:41:39,931 --> 00:41:42,034
Next time I see Kody,
897
00:41:42,068 --> 00:41:45,827
I'm gonna talk to him
about what
this conversation was like,
898
00:41:45,862 --> 00:41:48,000
and I'm gonna tell him
I freaking want
to move back to Utah,
899
00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:49,172
even though
the girls don't want to.
900
00:41:53,068 --> 00:41:55,482
[narrator reading]
901
00:41:55,517 --> 00:41:56,862
Breanna is turning 16 today.
902
00:41:56,896 --> 00:41:58,103
She's sweet 16.
903
00:41:58,137 --> 00:42:00,379
Happy birthday!
904
00:42:00,413 --> 00:42:02,482
[Kody] We're kind
of in a COVID lockdown.
905
00:42:02,517 --> 00:42:03,965
It's kind
of just an odd thing,
906
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,724
the way we're doing
birthdays right now.
907
00:42:05,758 --> 00:42:08,034
It's actually kind
of peaceful.
908
00:42:08,068 --> 00:42:09,413
It's not that peaceful.
909
00:42:09,448 --> 00:42:11,448
[Kody] Oh, it's
so quiet right now.
910
00:42:11,482 --> 00:42:15,689
I don't know. I feel like
it's disloyal or something
to sit there and go,
911
00:42:15,724 --> 00:42:18,586
"Oh, this is nice,
quiet birthday" or whatever.
912
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:20,275
How are Audrey
and Mariah doing?
913
00:42:20,310 --> 00:42:22,137
Well, they're
actually not here.
914
00:42:22,172 --> 00:42:24,275
They're up there running
the bed and breakfast.
915
00:42:27,931 --> 00:42:29,827
I was not teasing!
916
00:42:29,862 --> 00:42:31,206
How do I say that?
917
00:42:31,241 --> 00:42:33,275
It's gonna make him
look like a jerk
918
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:34,482
for not calling me
919
00:42:34,517 --> 00:42:36,310
and me look like a jerk
for not calling him.
920
00:42:36,344 --> 00:42:37,689
We do not communicate.