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{\an8}[Kody] Previously
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{\an8}It is so heartbreaking
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to have his stuff everywhere.
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So, I just decided
to pack up his stuff,
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and I put it all in the garage.
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I have been moved
out of my house.
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"Kody's books...
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Kody's books, Kody's clothes."
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[Janelle]
I'm positive for COVID.
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I must have just been exposed
when everybody else was.
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I'm concerned about whether,
you know, they'll have,
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um, bad symptoms,
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we just don't know.
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I'm hoping this is like
the boys, and it doesn't
really progress past
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this bad cold stage.
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I'm just ready to be free.
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It's been 10, 12 years of that.
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She's been telling wives,
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and adult children that she's
wanted to leave me for years.
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So, there's boxes of my stuff.
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This is a big deal,
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and I did not,
I did not see it coming.
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I don't know if this is a phase
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or if this is just an awakening.
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[crying]
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What did I do so wrong?
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[Janelle] You know,
despite our best efforts
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to follow all
the CDC guidelines,
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{\an8}my boys are outside
of the home for work
and stuff,
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{\an8}so, Garrison ended
up getting COVID,
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um, and as much as we
tried to contain that,
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and quarantine him,
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the rest of us, Gabe,
myself, and then
Savanah all got COVID.
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{\an8}[coughing] I feel pretty good,
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{\an8}I feel like I have,
um, just a bad cold,
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little bit of a cough,
some achy, I'm tired.
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Each day would go,
and I feel like,
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"is this the worse day
or is it gonna get worse?"
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I felt like I had
a super-achy flu
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for about four or five days.
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Kody is following all
these extra rules
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beyond what the CDC recommends.
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Thank goodness he wasn't
here. He didn't get it.
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It didn't transfer
to the rest of the family,
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and we are fine.
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{\an8}So, by containing
each household,
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{\an8}I think we were successful
in keeping it from spreading
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to all the other households.
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You know, now the big
question is is, you know,
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what kind of immunity we've got,
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what, what, what do we do now?
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{\an8}So, the kids are
in the house all the time
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because they're not
going to school.
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I sometimes need a place,
a private place
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where I can be alone,
gather my thoughts,
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so I had hide in the closet
or I hide in the garage.
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[sighs] So, Christine
has left for Utah...
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and, uh, is gonna go
see Mykelti again,
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and she was just at Mykelti's,
uh, I think two weeks ago.
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Just before Christine took
off for Utah this trip,
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I went over and talked
to her about finding my boxes,
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you know, boxes of my
stuff in the garage,
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You know, so we had a long talk
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about what's going
on in our lives.
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{\an8}I think we both just need
to be free of each other.
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{\an8}I'm just ready to be free.
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It was bad before COVID.
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It's been 10, 12 years of that.
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I'm not in a good place
about it right now,
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I'm pretty, I'm shocked,
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I'm angry.
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Since then, I've been just,
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just going through
the drama in my head.
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The things done wrong,
what could have been,
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the blame.
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The refusal in my own head
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to wanna take any
accountability for what
has happened.
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I've struggled to take
her seriously about
things in the past.
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And I'm still, like wondering,
"well, is this really real?
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Is she gonna change her mind?"
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You know, Christine
and I went through kind of
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a whole discussion recently
about how, um...
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uh, I'm never there,
well, that's, I feel like...
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it's kind of a tit for tat,
to be honest with you.
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She was saying,
"you're never here,"
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and I'm, like, going,
"you're always travelling
during COVID,
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you know, you're always
doing stuff that makes it
so I can't be here."
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And she says, "you were
never here before."
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{\an8}Even though I asked him
to not sleep here anymore,
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{\an8}he can still hang
out with the girls
and everything.
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But he's not here any
more than he was before,
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he's not here any less,
it's the same.
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Truely's not even noticed it.
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{\an8}It's weird when wives are like,
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{\an8}"where are you, what are
you doing?" and I'm like...
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"he's going."
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Kody is somebody who keeps
himself very, very busy.
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{\an8}Even back in Vegas,
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{\an8}everybody was still
complaining about time.
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[Janelle] From the first
time that I even met Kody,
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he has always been,
like, high energy,
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and everywhere.
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Sometimes I would wish
that he would just
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be a little bit more
focused and centered,
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and then sometimes I just
realized, you know what,
this is just who he is.
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Different people think
that Kody is not being
fair with his time,
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and he really actually is,
they're just not tracking it
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because they're struggling.
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And it's really
easy to sit there,
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and think of the lack
when you're struggling.
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[Janelle] I couldn't live
in his world, for sure.
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He's pretty scattered.
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I know he uses
his car as an office,
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but when he's at my house,
he doesn't really come
home till about 6:00 p.m.
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I know he ends up at
Robyn's a lot to help
with the little kids,
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but I really am not
sure where he is.
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Kody and I have a lot
going on during the day.
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That's why I have a nanny,
so that I can have her help me
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instead of trying to ask
Kody to, you know,
help with the kids.
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You know, it's not really
fair of me to ask him to help
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when he has so
many responsibilities,
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and has such a big family.
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[Kody] I literally have
Christine telling me
that the kids
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don't think I wanna
be around 'em.
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Um, I've stayed home all year.
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I haven't done anything,
I didn't do any of my
business things,
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I didn't see my
friends, I didn't travel
with any of them.
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And yet, you know,
Christine's lifestyle
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hasn't really been
infringed upon,
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to be honest with you, by COVID.
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It's hard to see, just,
such a contrast...
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with Kody how he is
at Robyn's house
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versus how he is at my house,
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he's just disengaged
at my house.
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My kids and I hike all the time.
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We go kayaking all the time.
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Kody came hiking with us once,
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and he bought Robyn's
kids 'cause he was
babysitting them.
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[Kody] It's not normal
for me to babysit my kids.
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I'm, I've been working
all my life,
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I was raised on a ranch,
we were always busy.
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The idea of going kayaking
or hiking and stuff like that
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is not something I really
do a lot of with anybody.
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I'm good at watching my
kids but I almost never do it,
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it's easier for me to pay
somebody 20 bucks an hour
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than to lose $200 an hour
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with the business
that I have at hand.
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Ysabel just said,
"Gwen and I both talk about
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how we see yours
and Dad's relationship
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as really broken,
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and to see him with other
wives," she goes,
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"I can't imagine what
that's like for you,
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and we don't wanna
see that either."
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[Robyn] You know, this isn't
a new complaint,
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uh, you know,
that Kody favors me.
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They kind of make assumptions
about how he is at my home.
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I'm not getting some
preferential treatment,
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even though that's
what they think.
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Plural marriage is
hard for me, too.
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The good news is, you know, um,
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that, uh, Savanah's
out of the woods,
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she's over her COVID,
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and so somewhere
between 10 and 15 days,
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I'm not sure, 10 or 14 days,
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um, I'm not positive
with 10 or 20 days.
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I've gotta get it straight,
but I'm thinking I'm gonna
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be able to go
over to Janelle's house
in just a couple weeks,
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and be able to stay there again.
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Uh, Savanah's better,
Janelle's better,
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Gabe and Garrison
been better for a week.
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I still feel like we all
need to be careful,
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but at least I'm now able
to go over to Janelle's house
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without worrying about
getting COVID,
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and bringing it
over to anybody else.
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At least for a while.
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As I understand it,
you know, best I know,
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this is what Janelle
is telling me,
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is that she can't get
it now for 90 days.
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Um, so, we started making
plans about traveling,
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and then I realized after
we made these plans,
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I'm like,
"well, I can get it."
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Janelle and her kids have
gotten over COVID,
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but we don't know
yet if that's, like,
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some sort of a safety...
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situation where,
like, he can't get it.
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I'm frustrated by it,
it's just the life we
live, though,
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and now we're realizing
more than ever before,
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during COVID, how much
one person's actions
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can affect the rest
of the family.
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So, I'm not happy about it,
but this is what's going on.
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Yes, Kody's actions
are in fact...
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um, hurting the whole
family, it's true.
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[Robyn] You know, Kody's,
um, been at my house a lot
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just by default because
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of the decisions that
other wives are making.
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I love Kody dearly...
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but this is not what I chose.
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His other relationships are
stressing him out so much,
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that it's not like it's
really fun to have him
around that much anyway.
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He's, um, an angry
man right now.
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He's really struggling,
and he's really struggling
with what's going on.
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What's going on with him
and Christine,
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I've never seen him
like this before.
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It's like it's including
the kids, you know?
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And that's getting worse
for him, and he's having
a very hard time.
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I don't think everybody's
quite understanding
what's going on here.
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I miss my husband. [chuckles]
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'Cause he's not himself.
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Anytime I try to talk
to him, it's...
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I get the anger,
you know, thrown at me.
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And I have to say, "hey, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not...
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you know, I'm not...
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who you're mad at."
You know?
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I have tried to speak
with sister wives,
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I've tried to talk to Kody...
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but, you know,
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it's, just, nobody's willing.
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I'm starting to feel
just really...
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helpless.
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{\an8}She's got this deer
in the headlights look like,
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{\an8}"get away from me,
just let me go."
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{\an8}I think what's healthy for us,
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{\an8}and what's healthy
for our family
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{\an8}is me leaving.
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{\an8}I didn't know that being
alone would feel okay.
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[Christine] You know,
Kody and I just
have to touch base,
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and talk about
a few more things.
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{\an8}He's just gonna come over.
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[Kody] About four weeks ago,
I sat down with Christine,
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{\an8}and it was like, "okay,
why, why, why'd you
move my stuff out?"
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{\an8}You know? And she's like,
"well, I'm leaving."
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I was pretty frustrated
in the entire discussion.
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{\an8}I'm afraid I'm on the edge
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of, like, losing my [bleep]...
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and I'm afraid she's
on the edge of losing
her [bleep].
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She is the doorway,
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the passage for me
to get to my children.
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I gotta admit, um...
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there's been a lot
of introspection
I've had on this
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about how I'm, we're not
supposed to break up.
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I'm supposed to fight for it.
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Maybe it's okay
for me to move on.
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I'm, it's a, it's a real
paradigm shift for me.
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And I'm sitting here...
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wondering if we're
making a mistake.
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Making a mistake in how,
what do you mean?
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Of leaving.
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Me? Like, you feel like
you're making a mistake
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in letting me go?
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I'm worrying that
I'm making a mistake.
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Is this going to damage
our children?
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I've been in this different
paradigm, I think,
for a very long time
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with the anticipation
or the expectation
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that there would finally
be a breaking point,
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and we'd get counseling.
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For Christine, it's been,
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finally there was a breaking
point, and she's out.
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[Christine] It's been months
since the conversation
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about no intimacy
in our marriage.
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If, if he was
interested in therapy,
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he could have said something.
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Like, she's got this deer
in the headlights look like,
"get away from me."
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I never thought that I would
be in a situation like this.
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I thought we'd be
together forever.
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When you finally
decided, though,
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did you feel relief?
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[Christine] Yes.
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I don't know, I look back,
and I wish that I would have
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left in Vegas,
and never come here.
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I've had three wives
threaten me to leave me,
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uh, on and off,
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our entire marriages.
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You know, the threat to leave
is always out there.
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[Christine] I had chosen
to live plural marriage
when I was really young,
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and I just imagined
that I would always
live in plural marriage.
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So, even when things were hard,
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I just thought, "well,
this is, it can be hard,
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plural marriage can be hard."
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I just thought that
it was okay to be sad.
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And I think I was a lot
sadder than I thought.
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But I tried, I tried,
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and I tried to be happy
as much as possible,
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and certainly I still
found joy in things.
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Plural marriage is tough.
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It's really tough.
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[Janelle] I think that Kody
and Christine have struggled
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for a very long time.
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I feel like it's more
of an inevitability coming
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instead of a, "let's try
to work this out."
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[Meri] Personally, I look
at plural marriage
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like any other marriage.
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{\an8}If the parties involved
aren't interested
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{\an8}or willing to do it,
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you know, there's
really not a whole lot
else that can be done.
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[Robyn] Plural marriage
is very hard.
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That's why you can't
get lazy in it.
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You have to choose it everyday.
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You have to want...
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{\an8}...everyone in the family
to be happy as much as
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{\an8}you want yourself to be happy.
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It's the only way to do it
successfully, in my opinion.
302
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I wanna apologize
for being so angry,
303
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and I just said, "Christine,
what do you want?"
304
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And you said,
"I just wanna be free."
305
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And I'm, I'm sorry
I was so angry.
306
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Thank you, that's very sweet.
307
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I'm sitting here going,
"I've had to do a lot
of introspection."
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I'm really grateful that he's...
309
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just being real,
and not mad, and not angry.
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It feels like, just,
this major injustice
311
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that is being done to me...
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and it galls me.
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I need to get to a place
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where I can rejoice
about your happiness...
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and your freedom.
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Thank you, that's, like,
the sweetness thing
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that you've ever said,
by the way.
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I just wanna thank him for...
319
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trying to support me.
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Gosh.
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That's the sweetest thing
he's said to me in years.
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I think what's healthy for us,
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and what's healthy
for our family
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is me leaving.
325
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Because it's not working.
326
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And it might just be me.
327
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I've only said
it a couple times,
328
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"if you're not happy
here, you can leave."
329
00:17:00,867 --> 00:17:03,300
I didn't expect that,
"you're not happy here"
330
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would mean that
you're gonna leave.
331
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[Christine] I didn't
know that being alone,
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and not being married
333
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would feel okay.
334
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{\an8}What are you wearing
for surgery?
335
00:17:16,166 --> 00:17:18,500
{\an8}Um, I'm wearing just
sweat pants, and then
Dad's hoodie.
336
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[Christine] Ysabel
and I went to her surgery
337
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just the two of us.
338
00:17:23,367 --> 00:17:25,443
The doctors were
telling Ysabel that,
339
00:17:25,467 --> 00:17:26,976
"your daddy's gonna
be here soon,"
340
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,042
and I'm like, "he's not coming,"
341
00:17:28,066 --> 00:17:29,166
and they were like, "what?"
342
00:17:32,467 --> 00:17:35,076
And then I realized, actually,
343
00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:36,100
I can do this by myself.
344
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And I'm fine.
345
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[Kody] Here's the thing...
346
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the past few weeks,
every time I come over,
347
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Truely is really
happy to see me.
348
00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:48,843
And I haven't told her anything,
349
00:17:48,867 --> 00:17:51,343
she doesn't know that
you don't sleep here.
350
00:17:51,367 --> 00:17:53,467
To her, it's no
different than before.
351
00:17:54,867 --> 00:17:56,600
I haven't told Truely anything,
352
00:17:56,667 --> 00:18:00,142
and she has friends
whose parents have
gone through divorces,
353
00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:03,242
and she talks about
how it's the worst
thing in the world.
354
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So, I don't want her to know
355
00:18:05,166 --> 00:18:06,606
until we absolutely
have to tell her.
356
00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:11,142
[Kody] She made
this decision without me,
357
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:12,543
without checking with me,
358
00:18:12,567 --> 00:18:16,543
there was no fair
representation of Kody
in this relationship.
359
00:18:16,567 --> 00:18:18,443
[Christine] It's been months
360
00:18:18,467 --> 00:18:21,867
since Kody said he wasn't
interested in a...
361
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,266
intimate in any way
marriage with me.
362
00:18:30,367 --> 00:18:33,042
I can't keep waiting for him
363
00:18:33,066 --> 00:18:35,943
to want to be
an involved husband.
364
00:18:35,967 --> 00:18:37,927
I can't keep waiting for him
to be a hands-on dad.
365
00:18:40,567 --> 00:18:41,943
I, it's not working,
366
00:18:41,967 --> 00:18:43,900
we've been waiting
for each other
367
00:18:44,767 --> 00:18:47,000
for 10, 12 years now.
368
00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,200
[Kody] I just need
to let her go.
369
00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:53,443
I don't know why
it's such a struggle,
370
00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:55,443
it's curling my toes.
371
00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:58,142
I need some grief
counseling or something,
372
00:18:58,166 --> 00:19:02,767
I don't know what's going
on here with my attachment.
373
00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:05,867
I can't let go.
374
00:19:13,266 --> 00:19:16,443
{\an8}This is, like, really the,
literally the backfiring
375
00:19:16,467 --> 00:19:18,900
{\an8}of all my COVID
rules right in my face.
376
00:19:18,967 --> 00:19:20,643
{\an8}Where do you think
you're gonna move to?
377
00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:21,900
{\an8}Salt Lake area.
378
00:19:21,967 --> 00:19:23,743
{\an8}See, that's eight hours away.
379
00:19:23,767 --> 00:19:27,100
{\an8}She's gonna take Truely,
and, uh, and move to Utah.
380
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,443
{\an8}That bothers me so much.
381
00:19:29,467 --> 00:19:31,200
{\an8}Truely's my child.
382
00:19:41,900 --> 00:19:45,343
{\an8}I've been on my purpose for 30
years here with this family
383
00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:47,843
with making a safe
and healthy and functional
384
00:19:47,867 --> 00:19:50,200
environment for wives
and children,
385
00:19:50,266 --> 00:19:53,343
and I'm struggling here
because I don't know
what it looks like
386
00:19:53,367 --> 00:19:56,467
when she shatters this
reality for me, and moves on.
387
00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:02,976
We're just friends,
Kody, we're just gonna
be good friends.
388
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,242
I'm just trying to be...
389
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:06,300
Sorry.
390
00:20:06,367 --> 00:20:07,667
Big about this.
391
00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:15,076
I'm really not in the mindset
of being friends.
392
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:17,142
I'm married to two
divorced women,
393
00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:20,467
I know what their
opinion is of that guy.
394
00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:24,300
Both Janelle and Robyn
395
00:20:24,367 --> 00:20:26,643
were married before
I married them.
396
00:20:26,667 --> 00:20:29,600
They don't have good
relationships with their exes.
397
00:20:29,667 --> 00:20:31,843
I don't wanna have
that happen here.
398
00:20:31,867 --> 00:20:33,142
I don't want her going
around the country
399
00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:34,667
telling people that
I'm a bad person.
400
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,000
It doesn't need
to be complicated
401
00:20:38,066 --> 00:20:39,900
if you've made the decision.
402
00:20:39,967 --> 00:20:41,142
Well, it's already complicated
403
00:20:41,166 --> 00:20:42,543
'cause it's not just you and I.
404
00:20:42,567 --> 00:20:43,967
How is it complicated?
405
00:20:49,767 --> 00:20:52,100
I don't know what's
complicated about it,
406
00:20:52,166 --> 00:20:54,700
it's like, she's chosen
leave. Okay. Goodbye.
407
00:20:56,166 --> 00:20:58,300
Are you fine with me
moving away to Utah?
408
00:21:00,367 --> 00:21:01,600
Not really.
409
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,042
Where do you think
you're going to move to?
410
00:21:05,066 --> 00:21:06,400
Salt Lake area.
411
00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,142
See, that's eight hours away.
412
00:21:09,166 --> 00:21:10,166
[Christine] It is.
413
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,600
That's sort of unrealistic
for us with...
414
00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:18,600
the situation with our kids.
415
00:21:18,667 --> 00:21:20,266
Do you have to move that far?
416
00:21:21,867 --> 00:21:22,744
Yes.
417
00:21:22,768 --> 00:21:24,800
So, St. George isn't...
418
00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:25,976
- [Christine] Gross.
- Isn't good enough?
419
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,667
I would never move
to St. George.
420
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,600
I'm disgusted by this idea
421
00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:33,507
that she's moving,
and she's gonna take Truely,
422
00:21:34,867 --> 00:21:36,443
and, uh, and move to Utah.
423
00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:38,367
Truely's my child.
424
00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:46,543
I don't want to push her
into something crazy.
425
00:21:46,567 --> 00:21:49,643
Men don't win
in the divorce world.
426
00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:51,066
I've done my research.
427
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:55,800
Would we be breaking up if you
didn't need to go to Utah?
428
00:21:55,867 --> 00:21:58,600
I don't know, but I don't
think that we would last.
429
00:21:59,867 --> 00:22:01,100
I don't think we would last.
430
00:22:09,867 --> 00:22:13,000
What I'm looking for is a place
431
00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:16,700
to envelop Truely in family.
432
00:22:16,767 --> 00:22:20,300
I can take her to a better
support system
433
00:22:20,367 --> 00:22:22,242
where she's surrounded by love.
434
00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:25,100
Whereas here, to be honest,
most of the time it's me.
435
00:22:25,166 --> 00:22:28,900
Right now, Truely doesn't
understand at all.
436
00:22:28,967 --> 00:22:31,200
She doesn't see what
Gwendlyn and Ysabel and...
437
00:22:32,467 --> 00:22:33,467
have seen for years.
438
00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:36,033
That he's just...
439
00:22:37,166 --> 00:22:40,000
somewhere else, and he just
prefers to be somewhere else.
440
00:22:40,066 --> 00:22:44,743
I would rather take her
away from this situation
441
00:22:44,767 --> 00:22:46,943
before she clues in.
442
00:22:46,967 --> 00:22:50,443
'Cause, I mean,
there's a community
that Truely has here,
443
00:22:50,467 --> 00:22:52,367
she just doesn't have
access to it because...
444
00:22:53,367 --> 00:22:54,743
you're choosing to travel,
445
00:22:54,767 --> 00:22:56,743
and Mykelti and Tony
aren't quarantining.
446
00:22:56,767 --> 00:22:59,543
- I don't think we've had
a real true community here...
- [Kody sighs]
447
00:22:59,567 --> 00:23:00,867
in Flagstaff.
448
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,080
{\an8}When we first
moved to Flagstaff,
449
00:23:03,467 --> 00:23:06,443
{\an8}I was very shocked at how much
450
00:23:06,467 --> 00:23:08,443
the cohesiveness of the family,
451
00:23:08,467 --> 00:23:11,042
and the unity of the family
was really struggling.
452
00:23:11,066 --> 00:23:13,242
I don't recognize my family.
453
00:23:13,266 --> 00:23:16,843
I think our family's been
dysfunctional for a long time.
454
00:23:16,867 --> 00:23:21,042
{\an8}When our older kids
were younger, we needed
each other more.
455
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,343
It's really just been
interesting seeing
456
00:23:23,367 --> 00:23:26,100
the relationships changing.
457
00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:30,767
I have always loved
you, but I have not
been in love...
458
00:23:31,867 --> 00:23:33,000
For a long time.
459
00:23:33,667 --> 00:23:36,400
And you were my first love,
you were my first love,
460
00:23:36,467 --> 00:23:38,867
and so you're always gonna
be a part of my heart.
461
00:23:39,867 --> 00:23:40,867
Always.
462
00:23:43,567 --> 00:23:45,042
I fell in love with him,
463
00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:48,166
and I was in love with him,
and smitten with him
464
00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:50,843
for so long,
465
00:23:50,867 --> 00:23:54,142
and I wanna remember
being in love with him.
466
00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:56,667
The conversation with Robyn
and Janelle and Meri...
467
00:23:59,066 --> 00:24:02,042
yeah, I'm not looking
forward to that one at all.
468
00:24:02,066 --> 00:24:03,866
I don't wanna burn bridges
at the end of this.
469
00:24:04,266 --> 00:24:06,076
Some relationships
are gonna be fine,
470
00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:07,767
some are not gonna be fine.
471
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:10,934
I feel unmanly,
472
00:24:10,967 --> 00:24:13,743
so I'm not gonna sit and go,
"hey, somebody's leaving me."
473
00:24:13,767 --> 00:24:16,976
I don't want my other
wives to see me as weak.
474
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,443
So, I don't wanna talk
about it to 'em.
475
00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:21,100
Janelle knows more
than anyone about...
476
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,743
the struggles that
Kody and I are having,
477
00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:26,700
but no one knows that
I'm actually leaving.
478
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,976
So, I think the conversations,
479
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,667
that one is gonna be a hard one.
480
00:24:31,266 --> 00:24:32,242
Definitely.
481
00:24:32,266 --> 00:24:33,946
Do you think you should
do that without me?
482
00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:37,100
I really need you
there the first time.
483
00:24:37,166 --> 00:24:37,900
Really?
484
00:24:37,967 --> 00:24:39,000
[Christine] Mmm-hmm.
485
00:24:39,066 --> 00:24:42,242
Mmm-hmm 'cause
I would like it to be
486
00:24:42,266 --> 00:24:46,142
me leaving is me leaving,
but we have talked about it.
487
00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:48,700
I know that they're gonna
be frustrated and mad
488
00:24:48,767 --> 00:24:50,100
and hurt and feel betrayed,
489
00:24:50,166 --> 00:24:52,242
and, "what does that mean
to be a sister wife then?"
490
00:24:52,266 --> 00:24:53,667
Am I still a sister wife?
491
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:56,467
And the answer is, "no."
492
00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:04,107
I can't be their
sister wife anymore.
493
00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:07,343
I can be their friend.
494
00:25:07,367 --> 00:25:10,643
And the relationship like
how close I am with Janelle
495
00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:12,400
is probably gonna
stay like that.
496
00:25:12,467 --> 00:25:15,076
How not very close I am
with Robyn and Meri,
497
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,767
it's gonna stay like that, too.
498
00:25:19,367 --> 00:25:22,300
[Kody] Part of me wants
Christine to admit
499
00:25:22,367 --> 00:25:25,543
that she's leaving because
of her, not because of me.
500
00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:28,400
Like she's been trying
to justify her leaving
501
00:25:28,467 --> 00:25:30,142
by things I've been doing,
502
00:25:30,166 --> 00:25:32,667
not by choices
or behaviors that she's had.
503
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,100
All right.
504
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,200
[Christine] 'Kay,
so let's tell the wives.
505
00:25:38,266 --> 00:25:40,042
I've just, that's about
as much as I can handle.
506
00:25:40,066 --> 00:25:42,367
I think so, too,
let's tell the wives...
507
00:25:44,867 --> 00:25:46,242
[Kody] Okay.
508
00:25:46,266 --> 00:25:49,643
And do this 'cause
I wanna be honest
with them really badly.
509
00:25:49,667 --> 00:25:50,843
You know?
510
00:25:50,867 --> 00:25:52,242
Yeah, okay.
511
00:25:52,266 --> 00:25:54,667
We're gonna have
to sit down with 'em,
have a discussion.
512
00:25:56,767 --> 00:25:58,667
I realized I'm still
in a state of denial.
513
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,700
Because she's leaving,
I wanna put it all on her.
514
00:26:05,767 --> 00:26:06,744
She's leaving,
515
00:26:06,768 --> 00:26:08,368
you know, why aren't
we working this out?
516
00:26:09,767 --> 00:26:10,834
And, um...
517
00:26:12,367 --> 00:26:15,166
I'm in a place of where
I don't know what to say.
518
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:22,100
{\an8}You know, I've tried
to talk to Gabe
and Garrison and Janelle,
519
00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:23,643
{\an8}and I've been shut down.
520
00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:25,743
{\an8}Okay, I've just got
off the phone with Garrison.
521
00:26:25,767 --> 00:26:27,900
{\an8}He's mad at me that
I'm not coming around,
522
00:26:27,967 --> 00:26:30,042
{\an8}and he basically just
tried to cut relationship,
523
00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:32,142
{\an8}"I love you, Dad,
but this is goodbye forever."
524
00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:34,566
{\an8}You know, I think my
boys feel like it's
more than just COVID.
525
00:26:36,166 --> 00:26:38,567
{\an8}They have honestly felt
like there was a history
526
00:26:39,166 --> 00:26:42,467
{\an8}of, um, favoritism.
527
00:26:48,967 --> 00:26:51,543
{\an8}[Christine] Ysabel
really wants to move
to North Carolina.
528
00:26:51,567 --> 00:26:54,500
{\an8}She was just accepted to one
of the colleges there.
529
00:26:54,567 --> 00:26:57,266
So, she really is
moving! My gosh!
530
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,400
I'm really excited for Ysabel.
531
00:27:00,467 --> 00:27:03,500
Whether she knows it or not,
she needs a break from me.
532
00:27:06,266 --> 00:27:08,200
She's been around me enough,
533
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:11,200
and it tends to be quite heavy
534
00:27:11,266 --> 00:27:13,506
around me with everything
happening with Kody
and I, so...
535
00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:15,443
and this was my life
from the very beginning,
536
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,443
so she needs to get
away from me.
537
00:27:17,467 --> 00:27:20,667
She needs to live
her own life and not
live mine anymore.
538
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:22,976
[Ysabel] I don't even
know how this works.
539
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,443
{\an8}You're doing great.
540
00:27:24,467 --> 00:27:26,943
{\an8}Madison Brush is connecting
to audio, and can't...
541
00:27:26,967 --> 00:27:29,743
{\an8}- [gasps] Hello, sister!
- Maddie!
542
00:27:29,767 --> 00:27:32,543
Hello, baby, you look so cute.
543
00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:34,076
Can you hear me?
544
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:35,476
Yes!
545
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:36,543
I'm sorry that we have
to call you without Caleb,
but at least...
546
00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:37,567
[audio crackles]
547
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,200
You're good, I get it.
548
00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:42,943
We're gonna touch base
with Maddie to make sure
549
00:27:42,967 --> 00:27:43,967
that she's onboard 100%
550
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,643
before we talk to Kody,
551
00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:51,700
just because I feel
like it's a loose end,
I wanna tie it up,
552
00:27:51,767 --> 00:27:54,343
but we'll reconfirm
with Maddie again
553
00:27:54,367 --> 00:27:55,700
just after we talk to Kody.
554
00:27:55,767 --> 00:27:57,242
Ysabel has something exciting.
555
00:27:57,266 --> 00:27:59,443
We just, I just wanted to let
you know that I got into Pitt,
556
00:27:59,467 --> 00:28:02,600
and I, for sure, am moving
to North Carolina.
557
00:28:02,667 --> 00:28:04,200
Whoo!
558
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:06,076
For sure! For sure!
559
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:07,643
- Oh fo' sho'!
- For sure!
560
00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:11,242
Pitt's a community
college that Ysabel's
going to be attending.
561
00:28:11,266 --> 00:28:13,547
Maddie, Caleb know that Ysabel
wants to move in with them,
562
00:28:14,266 --> 00:28:16,242
but it's not like
it's been 100% yet.
563
00:28:16,266 --> 00:28:18,700
Now that Ysabel was accepted
in the community college
564
00:28:18,767 --> 00:28:21,242
where Maddie goes
to school, isn't that cute,
565
00:28:21,266 --> 00:28:24,976
it's gonna be an easier
transition into adulting,
for sure.
566
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,976
I am so excited!
567
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Uh, I'm gonna have
to talk to Caleb 'cause
Caleb has been, like,
568
00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:31,276
"Ysabel, when Ysabel comes,"
569
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,142
and I'm like, "babe,
I don't know if she's
coming for sure yet."
570
00:28:34,166 --> 00:28:37,100
Caleb really has
always wanted Ysabel
571
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,300
to live with them
or close to them.
572
00:28:39,367 --> 00:28:42,743
When they lived
in Vegas with Janelle,
573
00:28:42,767 --> 00:28:43,767
they got really close,
574
00:28:44,266 --> 00:28:46,242
so, Caleb and Ysabel
really close,
575
00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:48,643
and Maddie, she really
looks up to him.
576
00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:50,800
She thinks that he's
an amazing dad,
577
00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:53,600
and loves to spend time
with him, with Maddie...
578
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,266
it's just exciting.
579
00:28:57,767 --> 00:29:01,166
I'm always gonna be so
grateful to Maddie and Caleb.
580
00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,843
When I decided that
I needed to leave Kody,
581
00:29:04,867 --> 00:29:07,242
I knew I wanted
to talk to Maddie
582
00:29:07,266 --> 00:29:10,543
as one of the first people
because I wanted to make sure
583
00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:13,000
I would still be involved
in her kid's life,
584
00:29:13,166 --> 00:29:14,843
and she just said,
585
00:29:14,867 --> 00:29:17,443
"you're always going to be
a grandma to my kids,
586
00:29:17,467 --> 00:29:20,543
always, no matter what,"
and, gosh,
587
00:29:20,567 --> 00:29:22,600
it was like a huge relief to me.
588
00:29:23,567 --> 00:29:24,800
[Janelle] If a wife leaves...
589
00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,443
I've seen everything happen.
590
00:29:27,467 --> 00:29:29,543
{\an8}Sometimes they're so
disgruntled, and so done,
591
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:31,843
{\an8}they don't get along
with their sister wives,
they leave,
592
00:29:31,867 --> 00:29:34,100
{\an8}they don't wanna see
anybody ever again.
593
00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:36,900
I've also seen situations
where they didn't wanna
be married
594
00:29:36,967 --> 00:29:38,843
to the husband anymore, but
they still wanna be friends,
595
00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:41,100
and hang out with their
sister wives, and they do.
596
00:29:41,166 --> 00:29:43,000
It's all kinds of things
that can happen.
597
00:29:43,266 --> 00:29:44,976
I've seen families break up.
598
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,667
{\an8}Not everybody will...
599
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,142
{\an8}...stay in touch
with each other.
600
00:29:50,166 --> 00:29:52,300
Sometimes it's a,
it's a complete...
601
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,443
split, it really just depends.
602
00:29:56,467 --> 00:29:57,743
I'm excited.
603
00:29:57,767 --> 00:30:00,800
Thank you for welcoming
me into your home,
I appreciate it.
604
00:30:00,867 --> 00:30:02,400
Of course!
605
00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:05,800
So, Maddie is 100% agreed
that Ysabel can move there,
606
00:30:05,867 --> 00:30:07,800
so, now we'll just talk
to Kody, let her know,
607
00:30:07,867 --> 00:30:10,166
Ysabel's just so insanely
excited by all of it.
608
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:12,367
She's just so excited.
609
00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,643
[Kody] COVID,
the protocols that we've
been trying to implement
610
00:30:22,667 --> 00:30:25,142
have been taking a toll
on the family relationships.
611
00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:26,800
The fact is,
in this environment,
612
00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:30,142
I'm just trying to keep
my children, especially
my small children
613
00:30:30,166 --> 00:30:31,367
from getting COVID.
614
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,943
{\an8}Okay, I've just got
off the phone with Garrison.
615
00:30:36,967 --> 00:30:39,443
{\an8}Oh, my goodness. Stupid stuff.
616
00:30:39,467 --> 00:30:41,242
{\an8}He's, like, blaming me
for all the COVID stuff
617
00:30:41,266 --> 00:30:43,106
going on in our family,
this has gone too long.
618
00:30:44,266 --> 00:30:46,800
Garrison, who I asked
to move out of the house
619
00:30:46,867 --> 00:30:48,000
probably six months ago,
620
00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:50,500
went and finally bought
himself a trailer
621
00:30:50,567 --> 00:30:52,843
to move into so that he
could be out of the house,
622
00:30:52,867 --> 00:30:55,142
okay, so he could
continue his social life.
623
00:30:55,166 --> 00:30:57,076
Garrison is my fourth son,
624
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,643
he is now back living
with me in Flagstaff.
625
00:30:59,667 --> 00:31:03,443
He and Kody really butt heads
over the CDC guidelines,
626
00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:05,543
Kody's guidelines,
and whether even Garrison's
627
00:31:05,567 --> 00:31:06,943
being safe at all.
628
00:31:06,967 --> 00:31:10,242
He now has bought a trailer
that he's gonna park
629
00:31:10,266 --> 00:31:12,600
to the side of my rental house,
630
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,307
and he's gonna fix it
up, and live in that
631
00:31:14,567 --> 00:31:18,500
while he finishes
the saving for his house
for a couple months.
632
00:31:18,567 --> 00:31:21,843
The trailer has got too much
work to be done on it.
633
00:31:21,867 --> 00:31:24,643
Garrison doesn't move
out, he gets COVID,
634
00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:27,900
he gives it to all
of Janelle's kids,
635
00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:31,643
Garrison's girlfriend,
and Gabriel's girlfriend,
636
00:31:31,667 --> 00:31:33,367
so, Garrison gives
it to his girlfriend...
637
00:31:35,867 --> 00:31:38,843
and then he's mad at me
that I'm not coming around,
638
00:31:38,867 --> 00:31:40,543
and he basically tried
to cut relationship,
639
00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:42,800
"I love you, Dad, but this
is goodbye forever."
640
00:31:42,867 --> 00:31:44,667
I mean, like, literally,
he's a grown-ass man,
641
00:31:45,467 --> 00:31:47,076
he can move out of the house.
642
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:49,200
Garrison's like, "Dad,
you're being a hypocrite,
643
00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:50,443
you're not coming around,"
644
00:31:50,467 --> 00:31:53,743
and I about lost my [bleep],
man, I'm telling you.
645
00:31:53,767 --> 00:31:55,142
He's calling me a hypocrite
646
00:31:55,166 --> 00:31:59,300
when he's the one
that can't be an adult,
and go get a place.
647
00:31:59,367 --> 00:32:01,443
You know, I've tried
to talk to Gabe
648
00:32:01,467 --> 00:32:03,400
and Garrison and Janelle,
649
00:32:03,467 --> 00:32:05,200
{\an8}I've tried to talk to them,
650
00:32:05,266 --> 00:32:07,443
{\an8}interact, and communicate
with them, and say,
651
00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:11,343
"hey, please will you
figure this out with Kody
or your dad,"
652
00:32:11,367 --> 00:32:12,843
and I've been shut down.
653
00:32:12,867 --> 00:32:15,267
Some family members are acting
like it doesn't really matter.
654
00:32:16,567 --> 00:32:19,567
Like, they're still in this
narrative that COVID is fake.
655
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,800
Let's admit it
everybody, it's real,
656
00:32:22,867 --> 00:32:25,266
and those people who don't
think that it is real, just...
657
00:32:26,166 --> 00:32:27,843
are being stupid about it, okay?
658
00:32:27,867 --> 00:32:30,100
I have never told Kody
that I think it's fake.
659
00:32:30,166 --> 00:32:31,843
COVID is real! I had it!
660
00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:33,900
I had COVID, it's real!
661
00:32:33,967 --> 00:32:38,543
Garrison is military,
so he's actually had
the vaccinations already.
662
00:32:38,567 --> 00:32:41,042
Um, Kody still has a great fear
663
00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:43,000
that we're somehow
gonna transmit to him.
664
00:32:43,767 --> 00:32:46,643
I don't know, I hope
things get back to normal.
665
00:32:46,667 --> 00:32:51,142
Garrison calls me up with his
narcistic attitude, and goes,
666
00:32:51,166 --> 00:32:53,543
"this is your fault,
and I'm never gonna
be around you again."
667
00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:54,867
He's telling his dad...
668
00:32:55,867 --> 00:32:58,343
"I'm done.
I'm done with you
669
00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:01,643
'cause I don't like
how I think my mom
is being treated,
670
00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:03,343
how we're being
treated at this house."
671
00:33:03,367 --> 00:33:05,500
Janelle's kids have been
frustrated with him for years
672
00:33:05,567 --> 00:33:07,543
because of the way that he's
treated Janelle for years.
673
00:33:07,567 --> 00:33:09,343
Janelle's fine with her
relationship with Kody,
674
00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:11,900
she's said that it's
everything she needs it to be,
675
00:33:11,967 --> 00:33:14,647
everything she needs it
to be, over and over
and over, she says that.
676
00:33:14,967 --> 00:33:16,000
Her kids feel different.
677
00:33:16,066 --> 00:33:17,843
So, I just called
Janelle, and said,
678
00:33:17,867 --> 00:33:21,076
"I need Gabriel and I need
Garrison to both move out."
679
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,543
This is the most
hilarious thing to me,
680
00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:23,743
he's threatened this
before, I'm like,
681
00:33:23,767 --> 00:33:26,543
"dude, you're not
even on the lease.
I'm on the lease."
682
00:33:26,567 --> 00:33:30,567
'Cause it's, like, they're
blaming me for having
rules about COVID.
683
00:33:32,667 --> 00:33:35,900
This is, like, really the,
literally the backfiring
684
00:33:35,967 --> 00:33:38,367
of all my COVID rules
right in my face.
685
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,843
So, for my boys,
686
00:33:40,867 --> 00:33:43,107
there's so much more
going on that just
this fight over...
687
00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:49,242
whether whose COVID
rules should be followed.
688
00:33:49,266 --> 00:33:52,443
Kody's or the CDC
or if they're being,
689
00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:53,843
if they're doing
the right thing.
690
00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:56,767
They have for,
they have for a long time
perceived that Kody's...
691
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,643
focus, you know, his time,
everything was spent
692
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:05,443
the majority at Robyn's house
even when he lived in Vegas.
693
00:34:05,467 --> 00:34:09,567
But they're very frustrated,
they feel like there's been
a real preference for Robyn.
694
00:34:10,367 --> 00:34:12,743
And so this thing with COVID now
695
00:34:12,767 --> 00:34:13,847
where he's now at her house
696
00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:17,242
because she's willing
to follow his rules,
697
00:34:17,266 --> 00:34:21,100
they, they are a little
bit suspicious.
698
00:34:21,166 --> 00:34:23,200
Kody and I have a good
relationship, like...
699
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,976
it's struggling,
but, like, we, I,
700
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,443
I know what I need from Kody,
and I communicate that to him,
701
00:34:31,467 --> 00:34:33,843
and he does a pretty
good job meeting it.
702
00:34:33,867 --> 00:34:37,843
What I have now is
adequate, it works for me,
703
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:40,400
but it doesn't look like
Robyn's relationship with him.
704
00:34:40,467 --> 00:34:43,000
[sighs] I know there's
a lot of accusations
from the boys...
705
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:48,700
you know, about me, and, um,
706
00:34:49,567 --> 00:34:50,600
they're false.
707
00:34:51,867 --> 00:34:53,707
I just don't have that
kind of power over Kody.
708
00:34:55,667 --> 00:34:57,300
And if I did,
709
00:34:57,367 --> 00:35:00,800
I certainly wouldn't have
chosen what we have
chose through COVID.
710
00:35:00,867 --> 00:35:04,500
I would have made us sit
down, and find a compromise
711
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,443
about how to handle COVID
together as a family.
712
00:35:07,467 --> 00:35:09,967
That's what I woulda
done if I had "the power"
713
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,242
that they think I have.
714
00:35:12,266 --> 00:35:13,666
The older kids are,
like, this club.
715
00:35:15,367 --> 00:35:16,443
It's like, if they...
716
00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:18,643
you're either in with them
or you're out with them.
717
00:35:18,667 --> 00:35:19,776
It's a clique.
718
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,443
I really think it's about
their feelings about COVID,
719
00:35:22,467 --> 00:35:25,400
and the accountability
that they're willing
to have about it.
720
00:35:25,467 --> 00:35:28,000
So, Gabriel and Garrison
are complaining to Hunter
and Maddison,
721
00:35:28,066 --> 00:35:30,443
Hunter and Maddison are,
kind of, uh, colluding.
722
00:35:30,467 --> 00:35:32,976
They're, they're basically
gossiping about me.
723
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,543
It's sort of how
the family runs, I guess,
724
00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:36,400
is everybody gossiping
about each other.
725
00:35:39,367 --> 00:35:41,643
{\an8}[Janelle] It seems to be
that the line is becoming
726
00:35:41,667 --> 00:35:43,000
{\an8}more and more intense.
727
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,600
Choose this side,
728
00:35:45,667 --> 00:35:49,743
which is Kody, Meri,
Robyn and Robyn's kids
729
00:35:49,767 --> 00:35:53,567
or choose the side that
includes all of my children.
730
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,142
[Robyn] My kids aren't
part of that group.
731
00:35:57,166 --> 00:35:59,443
I don't know, it's a ganging up,
732
00:35:59,467 --> 00:36:03,300
you know, defense
mechanism, so, yeah,
I don't know, it's weird.
733
00:36:03,367 --> 00:36:06,600
This argument that Kody's
having with many of his kids
734
00:36:06,667 --> 00:36:09,142
about his COVID precautions,
735
00:36:09,166 --> 00:36:10,967
Mariah's not involved in that.
736
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,260
This whole COVID thing
is just boiling out our
relationships.
737
00:36:16,667 --> 00:36:20,567
It's boiling it out to find
out really who we are
with each other.
738
00:36:25,367 --> 00:36:27,900
I wish all the kids could see
how heartbroken Kody is
739
00:36:27,967 --> 00:36:29,500
about the whole thing.
740
00:36:29,567 --> 00:36:31,166
He just looks to be
drowning to me,
741
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,100
and has no place to go,
742
00:36:34,166 --> 00:36:37,443
and certainly whenever I see
him, it just seems like he has
743
00:36:37,467 --> 00:36:39,567
such a burden on his shoulders.
744
00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:42,967
I just feel bad
for the guy, honestly.
745
00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:55,543
{\an8}[Kody] It's too bad
that you gotta go that far,
746
00:36:55,567 --> 00:36:57,076
{\an8}but I'm excited.
747
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,166
{\an8}I feel broken.
748
00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:01,076
{\an8}And Ysabel's leaving.
749
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,500
{\an8}Whatever has happened
with me and Christine
750
00:37:03,567 --> 00:37:07,800
{\an8}has left her and I
with this crap relationship.
751
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,443
{\an8}[Christine] Before I can
move from Flagstaff,
752
00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:19,242
{\an8}and move back to Utah,
753
00:37:19,266 --> 00:37:20,943
{\an8}I need to make sure
my kids are set up.
754
00:37:20,967 --> 00:37:23,743
{\an8}So, Ysabel's going to be
moving to North Carolina.
755
00:37:23,767 --> 00:37:27,743
Gwendlyn, um,
is working on getting
an apartment in town,
756
00:37:27,767 --> 00:37:29,967
and then Truely will
just move with me.
757
00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:32,667
Come on up, love.
758
00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:35,643
Ysabel's still
gotta tell her dad
759
00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:37,700
that she's gonna be
moving to North Carolina,
760
00:37:37,767 --> 00:37:39,847
and she got accepted
into the community
college there.
761
00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:41,444
It's happening.
762
00:37:41,468 --> 00:37:42,976
{\an8}- Hey, baby.
- Hey, what you doing?
763
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,976
{\an8}- [Ysabel] Hello, I just
wanted to tell you that...
- Sit.
764
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,443
All right, what's going on?
765
00:37:46,467 --> 00:37:50,600
Uh, so, um, I applied
for a Pitt in North
Carolina, and I got in.
766
00:37:50,667 --> 00:37:51,500
A Pitt?
767
00:37:51,567 --> 00:37:52,767
Yeah, Pitt Community Colleges.
768
00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:55,042
And then ECU, too.
769
00:37:55,066 --> 00:37:58,076
So, I'll spend two
years at Pitt, and then
I'll transfer to ECU.
770
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,700
You got into college
in North Carolina?
771
00:38:00,767 --> 00:38:01,810
Yeah.
772
00:38:01,834 --> 00:38:04,743
And you got in, and it's
not gonna be expensive?
773
00:38:04,767 --> 00:38:06,543
No, it's like,
not expensive at all.
774
00:38:06,567 --> 00:38:08,843
- So, that's what you've
decided you're gonna do...
- Yeah.
775
00:38:08,867 --> 00:38:10,543
You're gonna move,
are you gonna move
in with Maddie and Caleb?
776
00:38:10,567 --> 00:38:11,800
Yeah, I'll move in with them.
777
00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:15,042
I hate being excited
about you leaving.
778
00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:17,000
- That sucks!
- [Christine] Yeah.
779
00:38:17,066 --> 00:38:19,600
But I'm sort of, I can tell,
I can feel your excitement.
780
00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,200
Yeah, I am really excited.
781
00:38:21,266 --> 00:38:23,600
I really thought she'd
stay here in Flagstaff.
782
00:38:23,667 --> 00:38:27,300
And there's a heavy
side of me that's going,
right now I'm going,
783
00:38:27,367 --> 00:38:31,900
"okay, are you running
away from our situation?"
784
00:38:31,967 --> 00:38:33,443
We need to move her,
like, in August.
785
00:38:33,467 --> 00:38:35,076
Yeah, moving you.
786
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,976
Yeah, we're moving her,
we gotta drive across country.
787
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,000
Mmm-hmm, yep.
788
00:38:39,467 --> 00:38:41,142
If you wanna drive
out there with us,
789
00:38:41,166 --> 00:38:42,900
you're, of course,
more than welcome.
790
00:38:42,967 --> 00:38:46,843
I mean, if you wanna
fly there and help,
like, move her in,
791
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:49,543
you're, of course,
more than welcome,
whatever you wanna do,
792
00:38:49,567 --> 00:38:51,643
we can adjust whatever plans.
793
00:38:51,667 --> 00:38:54,943
If you can come, and you
can drive the beast instead.
794
00:38:54,967 --> 00:38:57,843
I hope all the COVID
restrictions have lifted.
795
00:38:57,867 --> 00:38:59,667
That would be
a hard drive with...
796
00:39:00,667 --> 00:39:03,042
you having to deal
with COVID restrictions.
797
00:39:03,066 --> 00:39:04,743
- I'm not, I don't know...
- I guess gas stations
will still be open.
798
00:39:04,767 --> 00:39:06,443
- I'm not worried about that...
- Not that much
of a difference.
799
00:39:06,467 --> 00:39:08,300
Just wear masking.
Just not being stupid.
800
00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:10,567
We have no idea
what the pandemic
will be like in August.
801
00:39:11,166 --> 00:39:13,343
I'm unwilling to make
any commitments.
802
00:39:13,367 --> 00:39:16,443
We're talking wishful
thoughts here at this moment.
803
00:39:16,467 --> 00:39:18,142
Well, that's exciting!
That's awesome.
804
00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:20,600
That sounds great, right?
Are you guys good?
805
00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:22,443
[Kody] I'm excited for ya!
806
00:39:22,467 --> 00:39:25,000
I hope you're happy
about your decision.
807
00:39:25,066 --> 00:39:26,176
I am.
808
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,643
- [Kody] I'm gonna miss you.
- I'm gonna miss you, too.
809
00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:31,100
I think it's really important
for Ysabel to be around
810
00:39:31,166 --> 00:39:33,443
such a happily married couple.
811
00:39:33,467 --> 00:39:35,242
Maddie and Caleb are phenomenal.
812
00:39:35,266 --> 00:39:36,743
They're amazing together.
813
00:39:36,767 --> 00:39:39,247
[Kody] It's too bad that
you gotta go that far,
but I'm excited.
814
00:39:40,567 --> 00:39:41,976
I'm excited, too.
815
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,142
No, don't you worry about me.
816
00:39:44,166 --> 00:39:47,743
I will, I'm excited,
I'll call, I'll call,
of course.
817
00:39:47,767 --> 00:39:49,800
Truely and I are gonna
have a transitionary life.
818
00:39:49,867 --> 00:39:52,800
Um, it's gonna be
a bit up in the air,
819
00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:54,667
and I don't know what
everything looks like...
820
00:39:55,367 --> 00:39:57,443
but Ysabel gets
to move to security.
821
00:39:57,467 --> 00:39:59,843
All right, cool, swell,
thanks for telling me.
822
00:39:59,867 --> 00:40:01,076
You're welcome, Dad.
823
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:04,266
I talked to Gwendlyn,
I told Gwendlyn,
"look, um...
824
00:40:06,066 --> 00:40:09,000
you know, things are
bad between Dad and I,
and I'm leaving Dad,
825
00:40:09,567 --> 00:40:11,443
and I wanna move
to Utah in September.
826
00:40:11,467 --> 00:40:14,100
Do you wanna move with me,
and go to Utah with me?"
827
00:40:14,667 --> 00:40:15,676
And she said,
828
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:18,600
"no! I'm gonna stay here
in Flagstaff, you go."
829
00:40:18,667 --> 00:40:21,600
So, I said, "you know, do you
feel like I'm abandoning you
or anything?"
830
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:23,227
She goes, "Mom, I want
you to be happy."
831
00:40:23,266 --> 00:40:25,042
Congratulations,
I'm glad you got in.
832
00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:26,976
I'm excited, I appreciate it.
833
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,800
Whoo!
834
00:40:28,867 --> 00:40:31,643
Ysabel wishes she had a better
relationship with her dad.
835
00:40:31,667 --> 00:40:34,300
Gwendlyn wishes she
had a better relationship
with her dad.
836
00:40:34,367 --> 00:40:37,242
But overall, I think it's
Kody's responsibility
837
00:40:37,266 --> 00:40:39,000
to have a good
relationship with his kids.
838
00:40:39,667 --> 00:40:42,567
I think it's his
responsibility not mine.
839
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,867
[Kody] I feel broken.
840
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,100
And Ysabel's leaving...
841
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:53,967
and it's a heartbreak to me...
842
00:40:55,667 --> 00:40:57,900
that's she's leaving
under these circumstances,
843
00:40:57,967 --> 00:41:00,543
that whatever has happened
with me and Christine
844
00:41:00,567 --> 00:41:04,943
has left her and I
with this crap relationship
845
00:41:04,967 --> 00:41:07,943
where I'm just trying
to reach to her.
846
00:41:07,967 --> 00:41:09,967
It's been hard for me that
Kody hasn't been around,
847
00:41:10,867 --> 00:41:13,242
but it's been absolutely
devastating for my daughters
848
00:41:13,266 --> 00:41:15,200
that he hasn't been around
'cause they're moving.
849
00:41:15,266 --> 00:41:17,142
They're moving away from home,
850
00:41:17,166 --> 00:41:20,667
and he's missed this
great opportunity to get
to know them better.
851
00:41:21,667 --> 00:41:23,600
And it's gone.
852
00:41:23,667 --> 00:41:26,443
So, I spent my whole
life trying to be
the hero for my kids.
853
00:41:26,467 --> 00:41:28,200
Working hard,
doing everything I could
854
00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:31,076
to support them,
to help them,
to be there for them,
855
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,140
And now because of this
COVID situation they're
trying to make me the villain.
856
00:41:35,266 --> 00:41:36,266
Because of COVID.
857
00:41:36,967 --> 00:41:38,000
Because of protocols.
858
00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:42,367
Because I wanna
protect my children.
859
00:41:45,967 --> 00:41:48,000
{\an8}Next time on Sister Wives...
860
00:41:48,066 --> 00:41:50,843
{\an8}Today is mine
and Kody's anniversary.
861
00:41:50,867 --> 00:41:52,343
Kody and I never
had a legal marriage.
862
00:41:52,367 --> 00:41:57,076
I don't know at what
point our marriage
is technically over.
863
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,643
{\an8}In my head, Kody's
relationship with his kids
864
00:41:59,667 --> 00:42:01,343
{\an8}is more important
than anything else.
865
00:42:01,367 --> 00:42:04,600
{\an8}So, you wouldn't be able
to come over if Ysabel
goes back to school?
866
00:42:04,667 --> 00:42:06,307
{\an8}[Janelle] I'm feeling
really bad for Izzy.
867
00:42:06,367 --> 00:42:08,500
{\an8}It's hard to not take
it personally
868
00:42:08,567 --> 00:42:09,847
{\an8}that he doesn't wanna come over.
869
00:42:09,967 --> 00:42:13,042
{\an8}Kody, you could still go
see her in the backyard
or something.
870
00:42:13,066 --> 00:42:15,100
{\an8}[Kody] People make
effort or they don't.
871
00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:17,743
{\an8}When it comes
to smaller children,
I wanna make an effort.
872
00:42:17,767 --> 00:42:19,400
{\an8}[loud grunting]
873
00:42:19,467 --> 00:42:20,843
{\an8}[Christine] Mykelti's
finally in labor now.
874
00:42:20,867 --> 00:42:22,300
{\an8}Avalon's heartbeat just dropped.
875
00:42:22,367 --> 00:42:24,543
{\an8}And push with everything
you've got. Everything.
876
00:42:24,567 --> 00:42:25,976
{\an8}- Do it for your baby.
- [Mykelti] Get out!
877
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,867
{\an8}That cord was
wrapped around her
three or four times.