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[Kody Brown] Previously
on Sister Wives ...
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[Janelle Brown]
I have been in the RV
full-time for a month.
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I'm still hauling my water,
which is a booger.
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I'm struggling
with my solar panels,
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and I'm struggling
with finding just
the right generator.
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I've got hot water
at Robyn's house,
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why am I gonna sit here
and suffer with you,
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with your choices?
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Oh!
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[Meri Brown] I felt like
that Christine was more
than a sister wife,
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I felt like that she was
a friend for a lot of years.
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It just makes me think
was it just all a lie?
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All those years.
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There's so much investment
here in this family.
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You don't just let that go.
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I just don't want to admit
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whatever we had
as a family is gone.
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[Meri] Why are you doing this?
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How are you
breaking up our family?
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I'm sad to be leaving
Flagstaff and friends
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and Dad, I'm really sad
to be leaving Dad.
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[Kody] Bye, sweetheart,
I love you.
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I am sitting here going,
"What has happened to us?
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What has happened to my life,
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what has happened
to my purpose?"
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'Cause I feel
so distant from it.
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We drove for six days.
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It was absolutely perfect.
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We've seen so many wonderful
things across the country.
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We've stopped in great cities.
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I thought the road
trip went very well.
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I feel like the three of us
get along pretty well.
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Yizzie's car
is the smallest car
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you will ever
be in your entire life.
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She didn't bring
any furniture, thank God.
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[Christine Brown] Ysabel,
get off your sister.
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I know you're gonna
miss her, get off!
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[Truely Brown] Ahhh!
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[Christine] They've been
cooped up in a car for hours.
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Oh, my gosh,
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they are so loud in hotels.
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Uh, if you hurt her...
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[Truely chuckling] Ow, stop!
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[Christine] Ysabel's moving
to North Carolina...
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[sighing] ...for an adventure.
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She's never wanted
to live at home.
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Maddie, Janelle's daughter,
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lives in North Carolina
with her husband, Caleb,
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and their two kids,
Axel and Evie.
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Ysabel has just bonded
with Maddie and Caleb.
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She's gonna go to college
about 15 minutes away
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from where they live.
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She's just gonna start her
new life in North Carolina.
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[Ysabel Brown] I'm really
close with Axel and Evie.
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I think that Maddie and Caleb
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are really,
really great people,
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and I think I would love
to live next to people
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who have such
a beautiful relationship.
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So, I think this
seven out of ten
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basically means
I'm gonna miss her a lot,
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but she's gonna be happy
there, so, it's okay.
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She just has to visit a lot.
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[Christine] When I told
Truely about the divorce,
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Ysabel was the first
person she talked to.
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Ysabel and Truely have
gotten a lot closer
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'cause Ysabel's been
Truely's go-to
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with everything.
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'Cause it's not just, like,
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like a short trip
kind of thing,
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like, I'll be
staying there for...
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...I think four years tops.
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Once I decided to leave,
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I never hesitated on my steps
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and what I needed to do.
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And no matter how uncertain
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and scary and intimidating
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it was to make the steps,
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I've never hesitated on making
the steps or look back.
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...But sometimes it does
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feel harder than
I would like it to.
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I think I'm also nervous about
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how I'm going
to live without Mom
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because I do depend
on her, like, too much.
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How are you feeling about
moving and everything now?
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Ow, no, I don't like it.
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I still don't want to.
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Yeah.
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Both Ysabel and Truely are...
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...really protective of me,
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and don't really wanna
tell me full-on
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how they feel about
things sometimes,
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and then sometimes
I just find out.
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I'm just find out from Truely
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that she still
doesn't want to move.
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I've grown up in Flagstaff.
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I've gotten used
to it by this point,
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so, I'm gonna really miss it.
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[Christine] So,
we're leaving Flagstaff,
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I mean, we're moving
away from her dad
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and from her other
moms and siblings,
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but we're moving
towards family as well.
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'Cause in Utah,
we'll be living,
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I don't know, right in between
Aspyn and Mykelti.
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Moving's really difficult.
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I'm changing
everything in her life.
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But I firmly believe
I am moving her to better.
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[Ysabel] I think
it's hard for a kid
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to not be able to see
a functional relationship
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between their parents.
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As a family, the last
time that we gathered
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was at my graduation,
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and that was two months ago.
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[Robyn Brown]
You're so pretty!
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Ahhh!
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...but Mom and Dad
are also separated,
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so, that would make sense
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that that would
be the last time
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that we were family-family,
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and we pro... that probably
will be the last time.
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I think it would be
good for Truely
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to move to Utah
where she's able to see
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Mykelti and Tony's
relationship,
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which is extremely healthy,
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and Aspyn and Mitchell's
relationship,
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which is also
extremely healthy.
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'Cause that's what I'm
excited for when moving
to North Carolina.
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I'm excited to see
a healthy relationship
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between Maddie and Caleb.
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[Christine] I don't know,
all right, Ysabel.
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Oh, it's a pajama set,
did you get me pajamas?
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[Christine] I got you or me
pajamas, I don't remember.
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They're probably for you then.
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[Christine] So,
we're in North Carolina
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in Maddie and Caleb's house
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in Ysabel's bedroom.
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Actually kinda cute.
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[Ysabel] It actually is.
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[Christine] Super cute.
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[Ysabel] Maddie and Caleb
going out of their way
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and, like, moving around their
life so I can fit in it
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was the kindest
thing that I think
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anybody has ever done
for anybody on this Earth.
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Cheese ravioli,
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we've got cheese
ravioli, we've got...
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So, Hunter lives
in Baltimore right now.
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He never wants us
to come visit him.
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He always goes,
"Just go to Maddie's
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and I will come
meet you there."
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I'm super close
to Janelle's older kids.
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When Janelle was
working all the time,
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I just helped raise them.
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I've just always been
close to Janelle's kids.
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We've always really
worked as a team.
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[laughing]
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You got a donut?
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[Christine] I'm so
glad we did this
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instead of making
dinner tonight.
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There's nothing that can
prepare you to say goodbye,
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and I'm not ready
to have her go.
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[Caleb] Absolutely.
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Last year, when we
came out here,
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and you guys were like...
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[Ysabel] The last year, like,
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I, obviously,
have been very emotional.
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Everything was changing,
and then, like,
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Mom and Dad's divorce,
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so, I think the past year has
been really hard emotionally,
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and so she's been
going through a hard time,
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and I think that, well,
I also have, obviously,
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how everything...
that she depended on me,
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not that it's a bad thing,
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but I think that
she depended on me.
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And so, I think it got
quite heavy in the house
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and it got very emotional.
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When she was going through it,
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she sought out me.
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I think it's hard
for a young kid
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to see their mom...
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...in such a sad state
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because the last year
was really hard.
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It was really hard living
at home the last year.
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I don't know when we're
gonna see each other.
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She was so cute, I said,
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"You know, I wanna come out
next month and see you,"
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and she goes, "No,"
she goes, "We have to wait."
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She goes, "If you
come next month,
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I'm gonna go back with you
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and I'm not gonna stay here."
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She's like, "The thing is,
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I think it's gonna
make it harder
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if we see each other a lot.
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So, I think our best
bet is Christmas."
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It's good for her
to be able to...
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...live with herself
instead of...
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...living with herself
and needing me,
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and also for me
to not need her anymore.
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[chuckling]
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Hey, Mom! Put your shoes on...
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[Christine]
It's super cool that Maddie,
Janelle's daughter,
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and Ysabel, my daughter,
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um, are super close.
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They're raised with this
big huge family
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and this big huge
family picture,
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that's what they
were raised with...
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...but by leaving Kody
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and leaving
the family and moving,
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I'm really changing
the dynamic...
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...and when I tell you
that keeps me up at night,
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believe me, that keeps
me up at night.
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I need to tell all the wives
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and Kody that I'll be
moving next week.
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I have no idea how
they're going to respond.
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I can imagine,
"What a shock! What a shock!"
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[Kody] We never made
an official agreement.
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We never went to our
church leaders and said,
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"Hey, we're divorced"
or, "We want a divorce."
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You know, would they
even allow us a divorce?
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I was sitting their
talking with Truely,
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and she's like, "Well,
you and Mom are divorced."
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I'm like, "Okay.
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That's a little bit
news to me."
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Usually our church
would say, "You're divorced."
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You have to go
ask for a divorce.
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You know, technically,
till Christine is physical
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with another man,
she's not divorced.
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Make sure you're
showing your best side.
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[laughing]
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My best friend, Jenn,
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is here with me,
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and we decided that we should
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film a conversation of us.
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chitchatting and being stupid
'cause it's what we do best.
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And, honestly, I don't
do this a lot with...
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...very many people.
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Hold on, Christine,
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I'm gonna go look at that one.
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I think that one might
be a better one.
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[laughing]
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[Christine] I will tackle you!
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I wanna see that,
I wanna see it!
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Run, Meri, run!
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[Meri] I've had those
kinds of relationships
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within my family before.
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[family members] Oh! Oh!
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Oh, my...
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[Meri] ...but my family
is kind of weird right now...
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[chuckling]
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...and relationships
are weird.
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I don't have those kind
of relationships
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with people in my
family right now.
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So, um, this is my BFF, Jenn!
252
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[chuckling]
253
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She lived in Las Vegas
254
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when we lived there.
255
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- And then I left Las Vegas.
- She left.
256
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Jenn basically knows
everything about my life.
257
00:11:37,379 --> 00:11:39,000
I mean, she basically knows
258
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,758
everything about my
situation with Kody.
259
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She was the one person
260
00:11:43,241 --> 00:11:46,724
that I could 100% trust
261
00:11:46,724 --> 00:11:50,758
during that whole catfishing
situation years ago.
262
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She really earned my
trust during that time.
263
00:11:54,241 --> 00:11:56,241
Jenn moved from Oregon,
264
00:11:56,241 --> 00:11:57,862
was on her way to Texas...
265
00:11:57,862 --> 00:11:59,034
Stopped here for the summer.
266
00:11:59,034 --> 00:12:00,862
...needed a place
to stay for the summer.
267
00:12:00,862 --> 00:12:03,620
So, yeah, so, we decided that
we would stay for the summer
268
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and I would help
on the B and B,
269
00:12:05,655 --> 00:12:06,931
and the kids
fell in love with it,
270
00:12:06,931 --> 00:12:09,827
and, um, I kinda fell
in love with it, too.
271
00:12:09,827 --> 00:12:12,241
So, at this point, I've been
driving back and forth a lot
272
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between Flagstaff and Parowan.
273
00:12:13,965 --> 00:12:16,241
My mom passed away
a few months ago,
274
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and I've been like,
275
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"I don't know what
to do with this place."
276
00:12:18,965 --> 00:12:21,517
Like, her coming and staying
277
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and managing the inn for me,
278
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it's really gonna take
a lot off of my plate.
279
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I will probably be actually...
280
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...still traveling back
and forth quite a bit
281
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just because I want
to be around her.
282
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[chuckling]
283
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And she's really nice
to the guests, too.
284
00:12:37,793 --> 00:12:39,000
Most of 'em, yeah.
285
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000
[laughing]
286
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I do know Jenn.
287
00:12:43,344 --> 00:12:46,793
Yeah, she's just very,
very loyal to Meri.
288
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I don't know if she's giving
her good advice or not...
289
00:12:48,965 --> 00:12:51,413
[chuckling]
...'cause I don't know.
290
00:12:51,413 --> 00:12:53,103
I'm sure that
it's very helpful
291
00:12:53,103 --> 00:12:55,379
for Meri to have a close
friend outside the family.
292
00:12:55,379 --> 00:12:58,931
Meri's relationship
with the family is
a strained one.
293
00:12:58,931 --> 00:13:01,655
There's a whole
history of struggle,
294
00:13:01,655 --> 00:13:03,310
you know,
from the very beginnings,
295
00:13:03,310 --> 00:13:06,137
and so she needs
a relationship
296
00:13:06,137 --> 00:13:08,448
outside of their sister
wives for sure.
297
00:13:08,448 --> 00:13:09,896
[laughing]
298
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So, if you know
Fridays With Friends,
299
00:13:12,965 --> 00:13:14,931
you're totally
gonna appreciate
300
00:13:14,931 --> 00:13:16,482
Sundays with Sister Wives.
301
00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:18,896
She is not my sister.
[laughing]
302
00:13:18,896 --> 00:13:21,275
She needs to remain my BFF.
303
00:13:21,275 --> 00:13:23,758
Wait, does that mean you
can't be a sister wife
304
00:13:23,758 --> 00:13:25,000
- and BFF?
- And be a BFF?
305
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,275
Sorry, Robyn!
306
00:13:26,275 --> 00:13:28,068
It's not what I meant.
[laughing]
307
00:13:28,068 --> 00:13:29,965
[Robyn] You know,
the sister wife relationship
308
00:13:29,965 --> 00:13:31,724
is pretty complicated.
309
00:13:31,724 --> 00:13:33,724
You have to work
really hard at it
310
00:13:33,724 --> 00:13:35,517
for it to be a good one.
311
00:13:35,517 --> 00:13:37,586
You know, they're fewer,
but there are a few
312
00:13:37,586 --> 00:13:39,482
that kinda seem
like they're best buddies,
313
00:13:39,482 --> 00:13:40,482
they're best friends,
314
00:13:41,241 --> 00:13:44,034
and it, it's always this thing
315
00:13:44,034 --> 00:13:45,275
that the rest of us
look at like,
316
00:13:45,275 --> 00:13:47,413
"Oh, I want that"
kind of a thing.
317
00:13:47,413 --> 00:13:49,034
We've been sister wives.
318
00:13:49,034 --> 00:13:50,413
We have, we've been
sister wives through...
319
00:13:50,413 --> 00:13:51,931
- [chuckling]
- ...thick and thin.
320
00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:53,482
Yep, through
the thick and thin.
321
00:13:53,482 --> 00:13:54,689
[chuckling]
322
00:13:54,689 --> 00:13:56,551
[Robyn] So, after Kody
and Janelle got married,
323
00:13:56,551 --> 00:13:58,862
Kody's dad married
Janelle's mom.
324
00:13:58,862 --> 00:14:00,275
They tell stories about
325
00:14:00,275 --> 00:14:02,413
how it was kinda
difficult and hard at first,
326
00:14:02,413 --> 00:14:04,931
but through the years they
figured their stuff out.
327
00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:06,551
That's the ultimate goal.
328
00:14:06,551 --> 00:14:10,172
If you're not in a decent
sister wife relationship...
329
00:14:10,172 --> 00:14:13,896
...then, you know, hopefully,
you can kinda work through whatever
330
00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:16,758
and then when you're
older kind of a thing.
331
00:14:16,758 --> 00:14:18,620
Like, literally,
when Mom died,
332
00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,724
she dropped everything
and she's like, "'Kay,
I'll be there."
333
00:14:21,689 --> 00:14:23,482
Like, no question,
she just came.
334
00:14:23,482 --> 00:14:25,689
I was there
to be there for her,
335
00:14:25,689 --> 00:14:27,965
so that she could focus
what she needed to focus on
336
00:14:27,965 --> 00:14:30,068
and I could handle whatever
needed to be handled.
337
00:14:30,068 --> 00:14:30,931
And she did.
338
00:14:30,931 --> 00:14:32,275
She...
339
00:14:33,482 --> 00:14:36,172
...took some days
off from her job...
340
00:14:36,172 --> 00:14:38,413
you know, she had her husband
take care of the kids,
341
00:14:39,137 --> 00:14:41,034
she just left, like,
342
00:14:41,034 --> 00:14:42,551
she got on a plane
and she came down.
343
00:14:43,931 --> 00:14:46,103
It didn't matter that
there was COVID.
344
00:14:46,103 --> 00:14:48,793
It didn't matter
that I was, like,
345
00:14:48,793 --> 00:14:50,206
hundreds of miles away
346
00:14:50,206 --> 00:14:53,206
from Northern Oregon to Utah.
347
00:14:53,206 --> 00:14:54,551
It did not matter.
348
00:14:55,758 --> 00:14:56,586
I mattered.
349
00:14:59,758 --> 00:15:02,034
And it feels good
to matter to somebody.
350
00:15:05,931 --> 00:15:08,689
But no, yeah, so, we just
haven't seen each other a lot,
351
00:15:08,689 --> 00:15:10,310
so this, I like.
352
00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:12,862
For multiple reasons.
353
00:15:12,862 --> 00:15:14,793
- It works for me.
- It works for me.
354
00:15:14,793 --> 00:15:16,275
- Good.
- Parowan's fun.
355
00:15:16,275 --> 00:15:17,379
- I like it.
- It works.
356
00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:18,137
Yeah.
357
00:15:19,068 --> 00:15:21,551
So, Christine has
let us all know
358
00:15:21,551 --> 00:15:23,344
that she wants to get together
359
00:15:23,344 --> 00:15:25,827
and have a little
chat with us.
360
00:15:25,827 --> 00:15:30,379
So, I'm gonna be heading
back down to Flagstaff.
361
00:15:30,379 --> 00:15:33,965
So I can get in on that
little family discussion.
362
00:15:33,965 --> 00:15:35,068
[chuckling]
363
00:15:37,827 --> 00:15:39,379
We're under contract.
You ready?
364
00:15:39,379 --> 00:15:40,862
[laughing]
365
00:15:40,862 --> 00:15:43,241
So, everything that
I have been working towards
366
00:15:43,241 --> 00:15:44,896
is, like, happening now.
367
00:15:44,896 --> 00:15:47,551
Yeah, I can't imagine how
scary this is gonna be
368
00:15:47,551 --> 00:15:49,965
because it's not
just like leaving
369
00:15:49,965 --> 00:15:52,689
this part of your life,
but, you know,
370
00:15:52,689 --> 00:15:54,724
- Janelle and Robyn and...
- I know.
371
00:15:55,586 --> 00:15:57,103
I just hope they
don't hate me.
372
00:16:05,068 --> 00:16:06,551
[Christine] I got
an offer on my house.
373
00:16:07,206 --> 00:16:08,689
Kody knows.
374
00:16:08,689 --> 00:16:10,241
I haven't told my
sister wives yet.
375
00:16:10,241 --> 00:16:12,000
I wanna tell them in person.
376
00:16:13,172 --> 00:16:14,448
So, let's start...
377
00:16:15,482 --> 00:16:17,793
...moving into Gwen's room.
378
00:16:19,275 --> 00:16:20,965
I sold my bedroom set,
379
00:16:21,724 --> 00:16:23,413
like, a month ago,
380
00:16:23,413 --> 00:16:24,689
and it was just...
381
00:16:25,862 --> 00:16:27,000
...too much.
382
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,517
Too much baggage,
too many hard memories
383
00:16:29,517 --> 00:16:32,517
in my room with him,
384
00:16:32,517 --> 00:16:34,448
and I just needed
to let it go.
385
00:16:34,448 --> 00:16:37,000
So, I sold my bedroom
furniture set,
386
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,172
and then I slept
on the couch for two weeks
387
00:16:39,172 --> 00:16:40,827
until we moved Ysabel,
388
00:16:40,827 --> 00:16:43,310
and now that Ysabel's gone,
I'm just gonna move
389
00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:46,551
her bed into Gwen's old room
and sleep there instead.
390
00:16:46,551 --> 00:16:49,000
So, we're gonna primarily
just stay on this level.
391
00:16:50,931 --> 00:16:52,034
I wanna have
the house available
392
00:16:52,034 --> 00:16:53,241
for people to come look at,
393
00:16:53,241 --> 00:16:56,379
so, I want the upstairs
to just stay clean as can be.
394
00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:01,379
Put it against this wall.
395
00:17:01,379 --> 00:17:03,551
Put your hands up here.
396
00:17:03,551 --> 00:17:05,413
...and we're gonna help
bring it down.
397
00:17:05,413 --> 00:17:07,241
Truely's mind's wrapped
around moving
398
00:17:07,241 --> 00:17:09,275
and everything that she
needs to do to move.
399
00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:11,620
...and move it
back into place.
400
00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:13,448
Right here, obviously.
401
00:17:14,586 --> 00:17:16,551
Is she still sad we're moving?
402
00:17:16,551 --> 00:17:17,620
Yeah.
403
00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:19,000
But she also knows
there's really
404
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,551
nothing she can
do about it except...
405
00:17:21,689 --> 00:17:22,758
...accept it.
406
00:17:22,758 --> 00:17:25,137
And we're going to do,
so, she has the best...
407
00:17:26,482 --> 00:17:27,482
...outlook she can have.
408
00:17:27,482 --> 00:17:29,137
She's just chosen to...
409
00:17:30,655 --> 00:17:33,310
...accept it
and be okay with it,
410
00:17:33,310 --> 00:17:34,551
but that's all.
411
00:17:34,551 --> 00:17:35,758
She's just okay with it.
412
00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:39,620
Wait, you struggle
with sheets?
413
00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:40,862
- Yeah.
- [Christine] Putting
on sheets?
414
00:17:40,862 --> 00:17:41,862
Putting on sheets.
415
00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:45,034
[Christine] You don't...
416
00:17:45,034 --> 00:17:46,482
'Kay, ten-year-old.
417
00:17:46,482 --> 00:17:48,448
- Hey! I'm 11!
- This...
418
00:17:48,448 --> 00:17:49,931
Okay, put your finger here,
419
00:17:49,931 --> 00:17:51,172
and you take it to the edge...
420
00:17:51,172 --> 00:17:52,793
[Truely] Did you
forget my age?
421
00:17:53,413 --> 00:17:54,206
Mother!
422
00:17:54,931 --> 00:17:56,827
I don't know how Kody feels.
423
00:17:57,758 --> 00:17:58,620
'Kay.
424
00:18:01,689 --> 00:18:02,965
He can live his own life
425
00:18:02,965 --> 00:18:04,689
and I'm not gonna question
him on his choices.
426
00:18:05,896 --> 00:18:07,793
So, he doesn't have the right
to question me on mine.
427
00:18:07,793 --> 00:18:10,068
Yeah, you look like
you're struggling!
428
00:18:10,068 --> 00:18:11,344
[Christine] Yes,
I'm taking Truely,
429
00:18:11,344 --> 00:18:13,413
and that's really the only
thing he has a say in.
430
00:18:13,413 --> 00:18:16,413
But I'll bring her back,
he can also come visit her.
431
00:18:16,413 --> 00:18:17,793
Every time I come into town,
432
00:18:17,793 --> 00:18:21,068
he can have her come
over and spend time with him,
433
00:18:21,068 --> 00:18:22,103
but I don't know.
434
00:18:22,103 --> 00:18:24,137
We haven't seen him
since we got back.
435
00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:25,413
He hasn't been over
since we got back.
436
00:18:25,413 --> 00:18:26,862
We've been back
for three days.
437
00:18:29,517 --> 00:18:30,931
So, I don't know
and I don't care.
438
00:18:32,206 --> 00:18:33,206
He hasn't seen Truely for...
439
00:18:34,724 --> 00:18:36,724
...two-and-a-half weeks,
we moved Gwendlyn
without him,
440
00:18:36,724 --> 00:18:38,586
all of it,
and I'm like, "Dude...
441
00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:43,655
...life is passing you by,
and we're leaving."
442
00:18:43,655 --> 00:18:45,758
I don't wanna go
over to Christine's house,
443
00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:49,137
but I don't have
a place for Truely.
444
00:18:49,137 --> 00:18:50,827
I don't, my bedrooms are full,
445
00:18:50,827 --> 00:18:52,379
we gotta make some
kind of arrangement.
446
00:18:52,379 --> 00:18:53,758
It's doesn't have
anything to do
447
00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:55,137
with me not
wanting to see Truely.
448
00:18:55,137 --> 00:18:56,482
It's really more about
just struggling
449
00:18:56,482 --> 00:18:57,965
to be around Christine.
450
00:19:08,551 --> 00:19:10,413
[Christine] My real estate
agent is coming over.
451
00:19:10,413 --> 00:19:13,551
We have some very,
very, very, very exciting
things to talk about.
452
00:19:14,275 --> 00:19:15,275
Very.
453
00:19:15,275 --> 00:19:18,620
Terri is a real estate
agent in Flagstaff,
454
00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:20,689
and she's actually
a friend of Janelle's.
455
00:19:21,482 --> 00:19:23,827
- [Terri] Hi!
- Hey, cutie.
456
00:19:23,827 --> 00:19:25,241
How are you?
457
00:19:25,241 --> 00:19:27,000
- How are you?
- [Terri] I'm great.
458
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,827
- Good, thank you
for coming out.
- Well...
459
00:19:28,827 --> 00:19:29,793
Yes, what?
460
00:19:29,793 --> 00:19:31,344
We're under contract.
You ready?
461
00:19:31,344 --> 00:19:32,862
[laughing]
462
00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:34,689
Yes.
463
00:19:34,689 --> 00:19:36,137
Time to start packing.
464
00:19:36,137 --> 00:19:39,206
Earlier this week, I told,
um, all the adults
465
00:19:39,206 --> 00:19:40,724
I needed to talk to them,
466
00:19:40,724 --> 00:19:42,586
and I was going to tell them
467
00:19:42,586 --> 00:19:44,620
that, you know, my house
is on the market now,
468
00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:46,931
but it's actually
under contract,
469
00:19:46,931 --> 00:19:48,517
and I will be
moving next week.
470
00:19:49,379 --> 00:19:52,206
And it's going to be...
471
00:19:53,551 --> 00:19:55,620
...a hard conversation.
472
00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:57,724
[Terri] It's hard to leave,
this place is so beautiful.
473
00:19:57,724 --> 00:19:59,551
- Your area is gorgeous.
- Yeah.
474
00:19:59,551 --> 00:20:02,655
This home is beautiful
and the area's gorgeous,
475
00:20:02,655 --> 00:20:05,310
- but it's scenery
versus family...
- I know.
476
00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:07,931
...and the older I get,
the more important family is.
477
00:20:07,931 --> 00:20:08,758
That's all it is.
478
00:20:08,758 --> 00:20:10,620
So, I mean, I wanna
move to Utah.
479
00:20:10,620 --> 00:20:12,724
Mykelti's been looking
for a place
480
00:20:12,724 --> 00:20:14,896
for Truely and I to move to.
481
00:20:14,896 --> 00:20:17,172
So, everything that I have
been working towards
482
00:20:17,172 --> 00:20:19,000
is, like, happening now.
483
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,482
Like, now, now, now, now!
484
00:20:20,482 --> 00:20:22,827
Yeah, I can't imagine how
scary this is gonna be
485
00:20:22,827 --> 00:20:24,896
because it's not
just like leaving
486
00:20:25,551 --> 00:20:26,620
this part of your life.
487
00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:30,275
- But, you know,
Janelle and Robyn and...
- I know.
488
00:20:31,103 --> 00:20:33,103
I mean, you just have a lot.
489
00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,655
I know, it was
a hard decision.
490
00:20:34,655 --> 00:20:37,034
It was... Yeah!
It's complicated.
491
00:20:37,034 --> 00:20:39,137
- It's not just... you know.
- No.
492
00:20:39,137 --> 00:20:42,137
- No, there's no cut and dry,
like there's just none.
- Uh-uh.
493
00:20:42,137 --> 00:20:44,206
I've been raising
my kids with these people
494
00:20:44,206 --> 00:20:46,241
for the rest of their lives,
you know?
495
00:20:46,241 --> 00:20:49,275
And I'm super, super close
to Janelle and her kids.
496
00:20:49,275 --> 00:20:51,344
So it's not...
it's not a clean break.
497
00:20:51,344 --> 00:20:54,344
You can't have a clean break
when you have kids anyway.
498
00:20:54,344 --> 00:20:58,413
I have kids,
these kids have four moms.
499
00:20:58,413 --> 00:21:01,827
And then all the other kids
have four moms, too.
500
00:21:01,827 --> 00:21:03,482
It's just messy.
501
00:21:03,482 --> 00:21:06,034
It's just gonna keep
being messy for awhile.
502
00:21:07,655 --> 00:21:10,758
So that's
the important thing,
is remaining friends.
503
00:21:10,758 --> 00:21:11,965
But, of course,
everything's different.
504
00:21:11,965 --> 00:21:13,620
And it is scary, it's unknown.
505
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:17,793
And so it's scary and exciting
and intimidating and...
506
00:21:19,689 --> 00:21:20,827
...so soon.
507
00:21:22,206 --> 00:21:23,793
I've been married
for 20... gosh.
508
00:21:24,482 --> 00:21:25,413
What, 27 years?
509
00:21:26,379 --> 00:21:28,344
I mean, I was 21
when we got married.
510
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,655
I'm 49.
511
00:21:31,655 --> 00:21:33,000
I'm starting over again.
512
00:21:34,068 --> 00:21:35,931
All I know is that...
513
00:21:35,931 --> 00:21:39,275
...I'm moving forward
and I'm moving
to something better.
514
00:21:39,275 --> 00:21:42,103
I do know I'm moving towards
something better.
515
00:21:42,103 --> 00:21:45,000
And that's enough,
most of the time.
516
00:21:45,586 --> 00:21:48,103
[squeals] Thanks so...
517
00:21:48,103 --> 00:21:49,137
- Thank you!
- Mmm.
518
00:21:49,137 --> 00:21:50,000
It's been super awesome.
519
00:21:50,965 --> 00:21:52,034
I hope that...
520
00:21:53,586 --> 00:21:56,000
I hope that Meri,
Robyn, and Janelle
521
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,620
can understand why.
522
00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:02,482
Maybe not even understand,
that's probably
asking way too much.
523
00:22:03,344 --> 00:22:04,413
But maybe just listen.
524
00:22:04,413 --> 00:22:07,379
I am leaving in a week. And...
525
00:22:09,965 --> 00:22:10,931
[shakily groans]
526
00:22:10,931 --> 00:22:12,517
...I just hope
they don't hate me.
527
00:22:18,793 --> 00:22:21,137
Kody, Meri, Janelle, and Robyn
are all coming over,
528
00:22:21,137 --> 00:22:24,000
'cause I need to tell them
that my house is now
under contract.
529
00:22:25,172 --> 00:22:27,068
I'm angry about Christine
leaving the family.
530
00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:31,586
Usually our church would
say you're divorced.
531
00:22:31,586 --> 00:22:32,896
You have to go ask
for a divorce.
532
00:22:32,896 --> 00:22:33,862
Yeah, yeah.
533
00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:36,862
Congratulations,
you're leaving the family.
534
00:22:36,862 --> 00:22:38,931
Like, I don't know
what I'm supposed
to say to this.
535
00:22:49,551 --> 00:22:51,896
Kody, Meri, Janelle, and Robyn
are all coming over
536
00:22:51,896 --> 00:22:55,344
'cause I need to tell them
that my house is now
under contract.
537
00:22:57,034 --> 00:22:58,344
[sighs]
538
00:22:58,344 --> 00:23:00,793
I've told Kody,
so he knows already.
539
00:23:00,793 --> 00:23:02,655
Um, no one else knows.
540
00:23:05,965 --> 00:23:07,724
Look, this conversation
is not gonna be easy.
541
00:23:07,724 --> 00:23:10,517
It's not only that my house
is under contract,
542
00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:11,931
it's that I'm leaving.
543
00:23:11,931 --> 00:23:15,586
This is a pulling-the-rug
out-from-under-them
kind of a thing.
544
00:23:19,137 --> 00:23:20,896
[Janelle] Christine has asked
us all to come over.
545
00:23:20,896 --> 00:23:22,551
She has something she wants
to say to us.
546
00:23:23,379 --> 00:23:25,310
And I have my suspicions.
547
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:28,793
I, I know that people
have been coming through
to see the house.
548
00:23:28,793 --> 00:23:33,137
I, I think that it means
she finally has a buyer,
but I don't know.
549
00:23:34,862 --> 00:23:36,965
[Robyn] I'm really in my head.
550
00:23:36,965 --> 00:23:39,275
I'm stressed out,
I don't know...
551
00:23:40,413 --> 00:23:41,724
...what's gonna hit us
right now.
552
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:43,103
[Christine] Hello!
553
00:23:44,586 --> 00:23:46,034
[Janelle grunts]
554
00:23:46,034 --> 00:23:49,655
I still have a lot of emotions
555
00:23:49,655 --> 00:23:51,034
about this whole situation.
556
00:23:51,724 --> 00:23:53,827
Um, I feel angry.
557
00:23:53,827 --> 00:23:56,827
And I feel a little betrayed,
558
00:23:56,827 --> 00:24:01,206
and I feel like I understand
where she's coming from.
559
00:24:01,206 --> 00:24:04,689
And I also know that anger
is a secondary emotion.
560
00:24:04,689 --> 00:24:06,344
I'm, I'm hurt.
561
00:24:06,344 --> 00:24:09,103
You know, I'm hurt
that she doesn't see value
562
00:24:09,103 --> 00:24:11,000
enough in our family.
563
00:24:12,275 --> 00:24:14,655
[Kody] I'm angry about
Christine leaving the family.
564
00:24:14,655 --> 00:24:17,448
I'm angry that she's
moving to Utah.
565
00:24:17,448 --> 00:24:19,517
I'm angry that she's trying
to sell the house.
566
00:24:19,517 --> 00:24:21,862
I'm angry that she
moved my stuff out.
567
00:24:21,862 --> 00:24:25,310
I'm angry that she, uh,
asked me to leave.
568
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:26,655
I'm angry
about a lotta things.
569
00:24:27,758 --> 00:24:31,620
Um, so you guys can tell
by the yard sign outside,
570
00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:33,000
that I've put the house
on the market.
571
00:24:34,034 --> 00:24:36,931
And it is now on contract.
572
00:24:36,931 --> 00:24:39,068
- [Janelle] Yay, that's good!
- I accepted the offer.
573
00:24:39,068 --> 00:24:41,344
- It's... It's a good offer.
- I was a little
worried about...
574
00:24:41,344 --> 00:24:43,586
- Yeah.
-'Cause the market it...
it slows down in the fall.
575
00:24:44,413 --> 00:24:46,413
Why is Janelle saying "Yay"?
576
00:24:48,206 --> 00:24:50,758
I don't... I don't get
her thinking.
577
00:24:50,758 --> 00:24:53,241
So I started looking
for a house
in Utah immediately.
578
00:24:54,482 --> 00:24:55,482
Found a house.
579
00:24:56,931 --> 00:25:00,413
And I am moving next week.
580
00:25:05,862 --> 00:25:06,827
[Robyn] I don't know,
it felt like...
581
00:25:09,344 --> 00:25:11,482
...like I just got pushed out
of an airplane. [laughs]
582
00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:14,034
And I wasn't ready.
583
00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:18,965
I know it's all fast,
it all happened yesterday.
584
00:25:18,965 --> 00:25:22,103
We've been looking
for about three days.
585
00:25:23,413 --> 00:25:25,034
[Kody] It's one of those
things where I'm just, like,
586
00:25:25,034 --> 00:25:28,068
I... there's nothing
I can do here. You know?
587
00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:31,068
I'm not gonna express
my undying love for her.
"Please come back",
588
00:25:31,068 --> 00:25:33,724
because I don't even
like her right now.
589
00:25:35,689 --> 00:25:37,965
[Meri] Like, there's really
nothing for me to say.
590
00:25:37,965 --> 00:25:39,034
What am I supposed to say,
591
00:25:39,034 --> 00:25:41,068
"Congratulations,
you're leaving the family"?
592
00:25:44,931 --> 00:25:47,137
Congratulations,
you're leaving the family.
593
00:25:47,137 --> 00:25:48,965
Like, I don't know what
I'm supposed to say to this.
594
00:25:51,586 --> 00:25:53,793
I don't feel...
595
00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:57,137
...jealous of Christine,
that she's leaving,
and I can't,
596
00:25:57,137 --> 00:25:59,827
because I can,
I can do whatever I want.
597
00:25:59,827 --> 00:26:03,172
My strength
is sticking around,
598
00:26:03,172 --> 00:26:06,379
and seeing if Kody
would be willing
599
00:26:06,379 --> 00:26:08,793
to work on a relationship.
600
00:26:08,793 --> 00:26:11,137
So I leave that door open...
601
00:26:12,034 --> 00:26:14,344
...but I'm not
pining away for it.
602
00:26:18,103 --> 00:26:20,413
[Janelle]
How is Truely thinking?
I mean, like...
603
00:26:20,413 --> 00:26:21,965
[Christine] When she first
found out, she was
604
00:26:21,965 --> 00:26:24,103
really frustrated
that we were moving.
605
00:26:24,103 --> 00:26:26,379
Really upset that
we were moving, and then...
606
00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:28,586
[Kody] She was more upset
about moving
607
00:26:28,586 --> 00:26:32,068
than about Christine
and I being divorced.
608
00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:34,413
When Christine first
told Truely we weren't
getting divorced,
609
00:26:34,413 --> 00:26:36,068
Truely was very upset.
610
00:26:36,068 --> 00:26:38,000
Whatever happened,
611
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,137
she felt different
about it by the time
I talked to her about it.
612
00:26:41,137 --> 00:26:43,620
What did Christine do
that made Truely go,
613
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,241
"Oh, this divorce is okay."
614
00:26:46,241 --> 00:26:49,586
Like what kid is okay
with their parents
getting a divorce?
615
00:26:49,586 --> 00:26:52,275
After I told Truely
that we were divorced,
616
00:26:52,275 --> 00:26:54,206
I called Kody immediately.
617
00:26:54,206 --> 00:26:56,344
And I said, "You might
wanna come over
and talk to her."
618
00:26:56,344 --> 00:26:58,344
Truely actually talked mostly
619
00:26:58,344 --> 00:27:00,965
to Ysabel and Aspyn
620
00:27:00,965 --> 00:27:02,931
about me getting divorced.
621
00:27:02,931 --> 00:27:05,620
She really didn't talk to me
that much about it
for the rest of the day,
622
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:07,689
until Kody talked to her.
623
00:27:07,689 --> 00:27:09,172
I was sitting there
talking with Truely
624
00:27:09,172 --> 00:27:11,344
and she's like,
"Well, you and mom
are divorced."
625
00:27:12,206 --> 00:27:13,379
I'm like, "Okay."
626
00:27:13,379 --> 00:27:14,655
I didn't realize...
627
00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,482
...it was a little bit
news to me. [clears throat]
628
00:27:18,482 --> 00:27:21,137
- How is it news to you?
- That we're just divorced?
629
00:27:21,137 --> 00:27:22,137
Oh.
630
00:27:24,206 --> 00:27:26,206
We never made
an official agreement.
631
00:27:26,206 --> 00:27:28,482
We never signed a paper.
We never agreed.
632
00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:29,862
We never went
to our church leaders
633
00:27:29,862 --> 00:27:32,448
and said,
"Hey, we're divorced",
or, "we want a divorce".
634
00:27:32,448 --> 00:27:34,517
You know, would they even
allow us a divorce?
635
00:27:34,517 --> 00:27:36,275
All of a sudden
it just sank into me
636
00:27:36,275 --> 00:27:39,758
that she's just, like,
"Ah, I'm leaving,
so we're divorced."
637
00:27:39,758 --> 00:27:43,482
Usually our church
would say you're divorced,
638
00:27:43,482 --> 00:27:44,862
you have to go ask
for a divorce.
639
00:27:44,862 --> 00:27:46,241
Yeah, yeah.
640
00:27:46,241 --> 00:27:48,689
You have to get paperwork,
you have to get approval.
641
00:27:48,689 --> 00:27:51,172
You have to prove
that marriage is broken.
642
00:27:51,172 --> 00:27:53,931
Christine just saying
"I'm divorced" is sort of...
643
00:27:54,724 --> 00:27:55,758
...invalidating...
644
00:27:57,172 --> 00:27:58,517
...our beliefs.
645
00:27:58,517 --> 00:28:02,068
We're spiritually
married to Kody
by our church.
646
00:28:02,068 --> 00:28:04,344
If we want a divorce...
647
00:28:05,448 --> 00:28:09,103
...um, then we have
to go get their approval.
648
00:28:09,103 --> 00:28:11,241
Usually they
require counseling.
649
00:28:11,241 --> 00:28:14,655
Usually they require lots
and lots of meetings.
650
00:28:14,655 --> 00:28:17,172
You know, technically
from my understanding,
651
00:28:17,172 --> 00:28:20,103
until Christine is physical
with another man,
she's not divorced.
652
00:28:21,862 --> 00:28:23,758
But I don't...
I mean, I don't know.
653
00:28:24,517 --> 00:28:27,379
You know, as far as I know...
654
00:28:27,379 --> 00:28:30,000
...it's just that your divorce
has to be recognized.
655
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,896
But Christine
has left the faith.
656
00:28:31,896 --> 00:28:36,068
So she says it'll
be between her and God,
and I'm like, okay,
657
00:28:36,068 --> 00:28:40,551
'cause the rules
don't apply to her anymore
if she's not in the faith.
658
00:28:40,551 --> 00:28:44,241
[Christine] I was 19
when my mom left my dad
and left the plural family.
659
00:28:44,241 --> 00:28:46,379
She, um, got a legal divorce,
660
00:28:46,379 --> 00:28:48,689
'cause she was legally
married to my dad.
661
00:28:49,551 --> 00:28:51,172
And then she just left
our church.
662
00:28:51,172 --> 00:28:54,827
So, since I don't have
any legal contract
663
00:28:54,827 --> 00:28:56,965
that binds me with Kody,
664
00:28:56,965 --> 00:29:01,310
there was no legal process
that we've had to go through.
665
00:29:01,310 --> 00:29:04,172
Neither of us are part
of that religion anymore.
666
00:29:04,172 --> 00:29:06,586
So me just saying,
"I'm divorced"...
667
00:29:07,655 --> 00:29:08,931
...I don't see the problem
in that at all.
668
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,275
So this is a little different.
669
00:29:13,931 --> 00:29:16,034
- I guess, because...
- [Christine] Yeah.
670
00:29:16,034 --> 00:29:19,586
You don't consider yourself
to be a part of that church anymore.
671
00:29:19,586 --> 00:29:20,758
- [Christine] No, I do not.
- [Robyn] Okay.
672
00:29:24,827 --> 00:29:28,862
Well, the closure that
she's saying that she gets
is that she just decides.
673
00:29:28,862 --> 00:29:31,000
And he just kind
of goes along with it.
674
00:29:32,068 --> 00:29:33,689
So, I... [sighs]
675
00:29:34,689 --> 00:29:35,896
I don't know.
676
00:29:35,896 --> 00:29:38,206
Like, Kody and I
are in this situation.
677
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,413
We're not legally married.
678
00:29:41,896 --> 00:29:43,655
I want to work
on the relationship,
679
00:29:43,655 --> 00:29:45,517
but Kody has basically
said that he doesn't.
680
00:29:45,517 --> 00:29:48,000
Does that mean
that we're just
not married anymore?
681
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,965
That's not how I consider it.
682
00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:53,000
I feel like
we're still married.
683
00:29:55,034 --> 00:29:57,206
I don't really consider
myself married to Meri.
684
00:29:58,586 --> 00:30:00,620
I just, if she wanted to...
685
00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:02,758
If she wanted to move on
and marry another,
686
00:30:02,758 --> 00:30:04,862
she wouldn't get
an argument with me.
687
00:30:04,862 --> 00:30:07,758
I don't believe that
we can ever be functional.
688
00:30:08,931 --> 00:30:10,620
And I don't believe
that I will ever
689
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:13,241
be emotionally safe with her.
690
00:30:13,241 --> 00:30:16,517
The difference between
me and Christine,
and me and Meri,
691
00:30:16,517 --> 00:30:20,724
is that Meri and I have
been unravelling
our relationship for years.
692
00:30:20,724 --> 00:30:24,172
Christine found out
that she would never
be happy married to me,
693
00:30:24,172 --> 00:30:26,862
but her leaving
was so sudden...
694
00:30:28,172 --> 00:30:29,137
...that I...
695
00:30:30,586 --> 00:30:32,103
...it was unraveled for me.
696
00:30:32,103 --> 00:30:35,689
It... It was like
I was being kicked
to the curb.
697
00:30:35,689 --> 00:30:37,068
And... And that was
the difference.
698
00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:39,206
It was like, "Wait a second,
you can't do this to me!"
699
00:30:41,655 --> 00:30:44,793
I guess in some ways
I'm just sorry we
dragged it out so long.
700
00:30:45,517 --> 00:30:47,931
- [Janelle] I'm not.
- Really?
701
00:30:47,931 --> 00:30:51,172
I feel like everything
you guys did proved...
702
00:30:51,172 --> 00:30:54,206
...whatever, that you really
did put everything into it
that you could.
703
00:30:54,206 --> 00:30:56,517
And I think it was
really important,
704
00:30:56,517 --> 00:30:58,172
'cause the biggest thing
that we have all produced
705
00:30:58,172 --> 00:31:00,310
is this cohesive
group of kids.
706
00:31:00,310 --> 00:31:02,000
They're not cohesive!
707
00:31:03,103 --> 00:31:06,241
Mariah is not fitting
in well with the family.
708
00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,103
Paedon is not fitting
in well with the family.
709
00:31:09,103 --> 00:31:12,000
Dayton, Aurora, Breanna,
they don't fit in well
710
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,551
with the rest of the family.
711
00:31:13,551 --> 00:31:16,275
Three of Janelle's kids
are close to three
of Christine's.
712
00:31:16,275 --> 00:31:18,275
And that's really it.
713
00:31:18,275 --> 00:31:19,896
I think there's a lot
of potential,
714
00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:21,068
that they will be through
their whole lives.
715
00:31:22,137 --> 00:31:23,793
I think those years
were valuable,
716
00:31:23,793 --> 00:31:27,379
to have those kids be home,
and have a nuclear family.
717
00:31:27,379 --> 00:31:29,413
So Kody is a little
bit myopic.
718
00:31:29,413 --> 00:31:33,068
He sees everything
from this perspective
of Robyn and her kids.
719
00:31:33,068 --> 00:31:34,965
And they have this
really weird perception
720
00:31:34,965 --> 00:31:37,206
that her kids have been
so slighted.
721
00:31:37,206 --> 00:31:39,310
You know,
I... I don't know why.
722
00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:41,000
I don't know why.
723
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,793
'Cause I see the kids
interact at holidays,
everything seems fine.
724
00:31:44,793 --> 00:31:47,655
So I'm not quite sure
why they perceive
that there's this
725
00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:50,655
shunning or something,
it's really weird.
726
00:31:50,655 --> 00:31:52,620
[Kody] Robyn, me,
and my children,
727
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:55,793
are all connecting constantly.
728
00:31:55,793 --> 00:31:59,517
It's a, It's a, It's an energy
of connection, perpetually.
729
00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:01,103
With Janelle and Christine,
730
00:32:01,103 --> 00:32:04,965
I'm only getting feedback
from them about what's
going on with the kids.
731
00:32:04,965 --> 00:32:08,551
The kids themselves
are not bringing this to me.
732
00:32:08,551 --> 00:32:12,724
It's much more nuanced
than just to say,
"Kody favors Robyn".
733
00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:15,482
That's not even
a cool statement.
734
00:32:15,482 --> 00:32:18,827
It's that she communicates,
and her children communicate.
735
00:32:18,827 --> 00:32:20,758
They involve me.
736
00:32:22,724 --> 00:32:25,068
[Janelle] When you first
told us, I kept thinking,
"What about the kids?"
737
00:32:25,068 --> 00:32:26,931
But I have hope that...
738
00:32:28,137 --> 00:32:31,000
...in time, like, we'll all
eventually learn how to...
739
00:32:32,034 --> 00:32:33,655
...cohesively coparent.
740
00:32:33,655 --> 00:32:36,862
Like, be together,
possibly, even for holidays.
I don't know.
741
00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:39,793
Do you know what I mean?
I actually had
a really good chance
742
00:32:39,793 --> 00:32:43,000
this summer to love on
Avalon a little bit.
743
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,655
[Christine chuckles]
She's so cute.
744
00:32:44,655 --> 00:32:49,793
[Janelle] And I'm like,
"Okay. I can, I can see this.
I can see this."
745
00:32:49,793 --> 00:32:54,000
Yeah, I can see being grandma
to all of these babies, still.
746
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,275
Regardless, if they're
my biological grandkids.
747
00:32:57,275 --> 00:32:59,827
To me, they're still
my grandbabies.
748
00:33:02,034 --> 00:33:05,551
[Meri]
I really don't know what
life is gonna bring.
749
00:33:05,551 --> 00:33:08,517
Because we're not functioning
as a family anymore,
750
00:33:08,517 --> 00:33:11,793
we haven't for a really,
really long time.
751
00:33:11,793 --> 00:33:15,689
It's not just Kody
and Christine's relationship
752
00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:17,034
that has been an issue.
753
00:33:17,034 --> 00:33:18,620
Like, there's a lot
of fractures,
754
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:21,482
and if people, you know,
aren't gonna work on it,
755
00:33:21,482 --> 00:33:22,758
then, like, this is...
756
00:33:22,758 --> 00:33:25,862
this is the way of our family.
757
00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:36,689
We've been 12 years public,
758
00:33:36,689 --> 00:33:41,896
trying to convince
the world that we have
something legitimate.
759
00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:46,206
It feels like it delegitimizes
everything I've worked for.
760
00:33:46,206 --> 00:33:47,862
[Christine] I couldn't,
with a clear conscience,
761
00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:51,413
...stay married to someone
who had favorites
762
00:33:51,413 --> 00:33:53,310
and made it very known.
763
00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:55,413
God.
764
00:34:10,517 --> 00:34:12,379
[laughs] I...
765
00:34:14,275 --> 00:34:16,896
I cannot figure out
why I'm so angry.
766
00:34:19,793 --> 00:34:23,620
You've been in this place
for a very, very long time,
767
00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:25,620
and I'm just gradually
getting clued in.
768
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:27,206
I actually had to find out
769
00:34:27,206 --> 00:34:30,103
from Madison, that you
had been saying...
770
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:32,965
...that you were thinking
about leaving.
771
00:34:34,586 --> 00:34:36,689
Madison's my daughter
with Janelle.
772
00:34:36,689 --> 00:34:39,896
And, you know,
because I'd heard this
rumor mill going on,
773
00:34:39,896 --> 00:34:41,551
I asked her, I questioned her.
774
00:34:41,551 --> 00:34:42,965
And she told me,
775
00:34:42,965 --> 00:34:46,000
"Yeah, Christine's been
thinkin' about leaving
for a long time."
776
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,689
Okay, what you need to know
is when you hear things
through the grapevine,
777
00:34:49,689 --> 00:34:52,689
there's a whole
other conversation
that you don't get.
778
00:34:52,689 --> 00:34:54,172
When you hear things
through the grapevine,
779
00:34:54,172 --> 00:34:56,034
you should maybe
address the source.
780
00:34:56,034 --> 00:34:58,241
'Cause they asked me,
781
00:34:58,241 --> 00:35:01,275
"Why are you staying?
Why don't you just leave?"
782
00:35:02,034 --> 00:35:03,482
They asked me.
783
00:35:04,724 --> 00:35:07,655
Christine has been talking
about leaving me for longer
784
00:35:07,655 --> 00:35:09,586
than I have known,
much longer.
785
00:35:09,586 --> 00:35:13,620
COVID may have changed things,
but I was always here,
786
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:15,241
I was always involved.
787
00:35:15,241 --> 00:35:18,586
Why would my children
be trying to talk her
into leaving me,
788
00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:20,551
unless she was telling them...
789
00:35:21,862 --> 00:35:23,896
...that she was in
a loveless marriage?
790
00:35:23,896 --> 00:35:25,689
- [Christine] That and I--
- Who said to you
"Why are you"--
791
00:35:25,689 --> 00:35:26,931
[Christine] It doesn't matter.
792
00:35:26,931 --> 00:35:28,551
[sputtering] It does matter!
793
00:35:28,551 --> 00:35:31,103
Okay, well I don't want
to throw them under the bus.
794
00:35:31,103 --> 00:35:32,551
But they asked me,
"Why stay? Why stay?"
795
00:35:32,551 --> 00:35:33,620
[Kody] No, but we're
talking about the, the--
796
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:35,413
[Janelle] Kody, I don't know
if it matters.
797
00:35:35,413 --> 00:35:38,241
[Christine] Kody, your kids.
Like, several of your kids.
Is that what you want to hear?
798
00:35:39,034 --> 00:35:40,068
Several of your kids.
799
00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:42,275
Why are they asking?
Why were they asking that?
800
00:35:42,275 --> 00:35:44,206
They asked.
They saw how things
were in our family.
801
00:35:44,206 --> 00:35:45,896
They saw how separate
we've been in Flagstaff.
802
00:35:45,896 --> 00:35:48,241
But that's...
that's the family group,
803
00:35:48,241 --> 00:35:52,000
that's the culture,
not the individual relationships.
804
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,068
They also saw that Kody and I
have been struggling
for a long... for a long time.
805
00:35:56,068 --> 00:35:58,724
The kids were like,
"It looked like in Vegas
806
00:35:58,724 --> 00:36:00,758
that you and Dad weren't
really close anymore."
807
00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:02,862
- And--
- [Robyn] In Vegas?
808
00:36:02,862 --> 00:36:05,620
- Uh huh.
- [Robyn] 'Kay. That's a lie.
809
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:06,655
Okay, well...
810
00:36:08,379 --> 00:36:09,379
[Kody] Hmm.
811
00:36:11,206 --> 00:36:12,931
'Cause I remember
the conversations.
812
00:36:12,931 --> 00:36:14,758
I remember what was going on.
813
00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:18,344
I remember Janelle and Kody...
814
00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:21,034
...making their relationship
better than it ever had been.
815
00:36:22,137 --> 00:36:23,517
I remember him
talking with you.
816
00:36:23,517 --> 00:36:26,206
I remember you guys
having fun dates,
817
00:36:26,206 --> 00:36:29,103
and hearing about them,
and seeing your
guys' relationship.
818
00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:31,827
So either you guys
were faking it
in front of me...
819
00:36:34,551 --> 00:36:36,068
[sputters] I don't know.
820
00:36:37,965 --> 00:36:41,655
You know, I don't know
exactly why she's saying
that I'm lying.
821
00:36:41,655 --> 00:36:43,241
Kody and I did struggle
in Vegas.
822
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:45,620
And my kids did see it.
823
00:36:46,827 --> 00:36:48,206
[Robyn] And, you know,
she's sitting here saying
824
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:51,724
that everybody's
relationships were
struggling in Las Vegas,
825
00:36:51,724 --> 00:36:53,172
and we didn't have
what we had.
826
00:36:53,172 --> 00:36:57,068
And that Kody and I
were the only ones
that were okay.
827
00:36:57,068 --> 00:36:59,172
You know, that's not true.
828
00:37:01,172 --> 00:37:03,689
So, you can't say
that this is just, like,
829
00:37:03,689 --> 00:37:05,206
it was all a big fat lie.
830
00:37:05,206 --> 00:37:07,206
Let's just be honest
about where it was at,
831
00:37:07,206 --> 00:37:10,379
and that it wasn't
just Kody and I.
832
00:37:10,379 --> 00:37:14,862
I'm pretty sure Robyn
maybe misunderstood something
that Christine said.
833
00:37:15,551 --> 00:37:17,689
It sounded to me, like,
834
00:37:17,689 --> 00:37:21,000
she was quoting questions
that she had been asked.
835
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,137
And I think Robyn took it
that it was just about
836
00:37:25,896 --> 00:37:27,206
her and Kody.
837
00:37:27,206 --> 00:37:29,758
We were trying
to make it work in Vegas.
838
00:37:29,758 --> 00:37:31,206
We were really trying.
839
00:37:31,206 --> 00:37:33,379
I've, I've been aware that
there has been problems
for a long time.
840
00:37:33,379 --> 00:37:35,620
- [Christine] For a long time.
- [Robyn] Well, I had no idea.
841
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,724
I did not know.
842
00:37:37,724 --> 00:37:40,137
Do you know what?
This is the weirdest interchange,
843
00:37:40,137 --> 00:37:41,931
'cause I've seen that
Christine and Kody
844
00:37:41,931 --> 00:37:44,448
have been in a really bad spot
for a long time.
845
00:37:44,448 --> 00:37:47,965
But it almost feels,
like, they're trying
to invalidate Christine.
846
00:37:47,965 --> 00:37:52,241
Just tell her that she's
being crazy and that
she's doing this on a whim.
847
00:37:52,241 --> 00:37:55,724
And it's the weirdest thing
to me to watch this.
848
00:37:55,724 --> 00:37:58,206
And then we've had so many...
849
00:37:58,206 --> 00:38:02,137
...more realistic
conversations that happened
last year between Kody and I.
850
00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:03,586
But you guys
don't talk though,
851
00:38:03,586 --> 00:38:05,000
you guys don't communicate.
852
00:38:07,379 --> 00:38:10,620
You guys don't...
You guys don't communicate
very well at all, though.
853
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:12,931
So I don't even see
how that could be even...
854
00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:16,551
...legitimate.
855
00:38:16,551 --> 00:38:20,896
- We've communicated
better the last six months.
-'Cause there's no, like...
856
00:38:20,896 --> 00:38:22,206
- [Kody] Really?
- [Christine] Don't you
think so?
857
00:38:22,206 --> 00:38:24,172
- [Kody] No, not at all.
- Oh.
858
00:38:24,172 --> 00:38:26,586
Uh, "Please stop staying here.
859
00:38:26,586 --> 00:38:31,068
Your stuff is out.
I'm leaving.
We're breaking up."
860
00:38:31,068 --> 00:38:35,241
It's all been in her court,
she has just had control
over everything over that.
861
00:38:35,241 --> 00:38:38,724
It's made her feel powerful,
so she feels that
she's communicating.
862
00:38:38,724 --> 00:38:41,379
I think we tried,
it's not that we didn't try.
863
00:38:41,379 --> 00:38:43,965
[Robyn] Well, that fine, okay.
Whatever, that's your
guys' relationship.
864
00:38:43,965 --> 00:38:46,344
But don't lump all the other
relationships in with it.
865
00:38:46,344 --> 00:38:48,413
I'm not trying to,
I don't understand why
you think I'm trying to.
866
00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:50,137
[Robyn] 'Cause you're saying
the only people,
867
00:38:50,137 --> 00:38:52,206
that the only relationship
that was going okay
868
00:38:52,206 --> 00:38:54,862
- was, was mine and Kody's,
and that's not true.
- I never said that.
869
00:38:54,862 --> 00:38:56,310
You did say that.
870
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:58,793
You said in Vegas,
the only people
that were close
871
00:38:58,793 --> 00:39:00,482
was, was, was us.
872
00:39:00,482 --> 00:39:02,689
- I didn't say that.
- Then what did you say?
873
00:39:02,689 --> 00:39:04,413
[laughs] I don't know.
874
00:39:04,413 --> 00:39:08,896
But I did not say that
the only relationship in Vegas
that was good was you guys.
875
00:39:08,896 --> 00:39:10,551
- Okay, well that's
what I heard.
- I didn't say that.
876
00:39:10,551 --> 00:39:12,379
- That's why I'm
getting frustrated.
- [Kody] That's why you
877
00:39:12,379 --> 00:39:14,344
- were saying about
Janelle and I having--
- [Christine] Oh, oh.
878
00:39:14,344 --> 00:39:17,931
No, I know at least a little,
I don't know everything,
of course.
879
00:39:17,931 --> 00:39:21,000
But I know what
the relationship was
between you and Meri.
880
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,965
I know that you and Kody were
in such a good place in Vegas.
881
00:39:24,965 --> 00:39:27,551
Yeah, I don't really like
being pulled into this,
882
00:39:27,551 --> 00:39:30,000
and using my relationship
as an example
883
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,896
as ammunition
against Christine.
884
00:39:31,896 --> 00:39:33,655
And I'm like, "Whoa, whoa,"
885
00:39:33,655 --> 00:39:37,103
and I'm sitting here
wanting to say something,
but I don't know what to say.
886
00:39:37,103 --> 00:39:40,310
Okay, and I'm sorry
if that was ever...
887
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:42,586
- [Robyn] Okay.
- I never meant that in Vegas.
888
00:39:42,586 --> 00:39:44,103
Kody and I were
struggling in Vegas.
889
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:47,000
[Robyn] I must've
gotten confused, 'cause...
890
00:39:48,172 --> 00:39:51,517
...I do not know
how I got that
out of what she said.
891
00:39:59,517 --> 00:40:02,793
We've been 12 years public,
892
00:40:02,793 --> 00:40:06,620
11 years public,
trying to convince the world
893
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:08,241
that we have
something legitimate.
894
00:40:10,172 --> 00:40:12,206
We've worked so hard.
895
00:40:13,793 --> 00:40:17,172
Begging the public,
to accept our...
896
00:40:18,827 --> 00:40:20,862
...marriage, our family.
897
00:40:20,862 --> 00:40:24,793
And in a moment,
she decides we're divorced
898
00:40:24,793 --> 00:40:27,551
and it feels like
it delegitimizes
899
00:40:27,551 --> 00:40:30,689
everything I've worked for,
for so long.
900
00:40:35,931 --> 00:40:39,206
When I chose to leave Kody,
901
00:40:39,206 --> 00:40:42,103
I knew I would be open,
publicly, about it.
902
00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:44,275
And this was a decision
that I was making
903
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:46,034
that other people would know.
904
00:40:46,034 --> 00:40:48,413
And it wasn't
a private decision.
905
00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:51,482
And one of the things that
I was concerned about
906
00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:53,517
was would I
be considered a fraud?
907
00:40:53,517 --> 00:40:56,034
Would I be considered a liar?
908
00:40:56,034 --> 00:40:58,896
I know without a doubt,
I have tried,
909
00:40:58,896 --> 00:41:00,655
for years, to make this work.
910
00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:03,517
I have a clear conscience,
knowing that
911
00:41:03,517 --> 00:41:05,896
I gave it my best.
912
00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:08,896
If people wanna look at me
and think otherwise...
913
00:41:10,034 --> 00:41:11,000
...okay.
914
00:41:12,275 --> 00:41:14,586
Like, I can't do
anything about that.
915
00:41:15,758 --> 00:41:19,206
Being a mom is my
most important thing.
916
00:41:20,379 --> 00:41:22,172
But I couldn't,
with a clear conscience,
917
00:41:22,172 --> 00:41:24,793
stay married to someone who...
918
00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:29,482
...had favorites,
and made it very known.
919
00:41:29,482 --> 00:41:31,758
And someone who was
breaking my kids' hearts.
920
00:41:31,758 --> 00:41:33,689
I needed to stand
with them instead.
921
00:41:35,103 --> 00:41:36,758
And I wanted to do it...
922
00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:40,793
...for them.
923
00:41:42,206 --> 00:41:43,172
God.
924
00:41:49,689 --> 00:41:52,310
[man] Next time on
Sister Wives...
925
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:55,517
[Meri] I have seen her
non-acceptance of Robyn
926
00:41:55,517 --> 00:41:57,827
and disdain for me
through the years.
927
00:41:57,827 --> 00:42:00,310
She's treated you like dirt
from the very beginning.
928
00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:02,896
That's the reason
I'm pissed off.
929
00:42:02,896 --> 00:42:06,241
It's kind of that last
little bit of hope
sort of dying.
930
00:42:06,241 --> 00:42:09,206
Man, just a knife
in the kidneys,
931
00:42:09,206 --> 00:42:11,862
over all these years!
932
00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:15,758
And the sacrifices that
I made to love you!
933
00:42:16,931 --> 00:42:18,758
Wasted!
934
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,310
I'm glad he said it.
935
00:42:26,724 --> 00:42:27,620
I'm tired.
936
00:42:28,827 --> 00:42:31,137
I'm tired. It's over.