1 00:00:01,002 --> 00:00:02,835 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives.. 2 00:00:02,936 --> 00:00:04,937 [Christine] Isabelle's movin to North Carolina. 3 00:00:04,939 --> 00:00:07,406 There's nothing that can prepare you to say goodbye. 4 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,746 It's super cool that, Matty Janelle's daughter, 5 00:00:13,847 --> 00:00:16,849 and Isabelle, my daughter, are super close. 6 00:00:16,950 --> 00:00:19,385 They're raised with this big huge family, 7 00:00:19,387 --> 00:00:21,920 in this big huge family picture. 8 00:00:21,922 --> 00:00:26,258 But by leaving Kody, I'm really changing the dynamic. 9 00:00:26,327 --> 00:00:27,926 When I tell you that keeps me up at night, 10 00:00:27,928 --> 00:00:29,661 believe me that keeps me up at night. 11 00:00:31,132 --> 00:00:32,631 Make sure you're showing your best side. 12 00:00:36,303 --> 00:00:42,941 Jen and I just have this awesome relationship where we just laugh. 13 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:48,047 I've had those kind of relationships within my family before, 14 00:00:48,049 --> 00:00:51,116 but my family is kind of wei right now. 15 00:00:51,118 --> 00:00:53,852 And it feels good to matter to somebody. 16 00:00:53,921 --> 00:00:56,555 [Christine] Kody, Meri, Janelle and Robyn are all coming over, 17 00:00:56,590 --> 00:00:59,358 'cause I need to tell them that my house is under contract. 18 00:01:00,494 --> 00:01:03,028 I'm angry about Christine leaving the family. 19 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:05,030 [Kody] We never made an official agreement. 20 00:01:05,032 --> 00:01:06,498 We never went to our church leaders 21 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:07,733 and said, "Hey, we're divorced." 22 00:01:07,802 --> 00:01:09,601 You know, would they even allow us a divorce. 23 00:01:09,603 --> 00:01:10,903 I was sitting there talking with Truely, 24 00:01:10,905 --> 00:01:13,605 and she's like, "Well, you and mom are divorced." 25 00:01:13,607 --> 00:01:16,108 It was a little bit news to me. 26 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:18,811 Technically, till Christine is physical with another man 27 00:01:18,813 --> 00:01:20,078 she's not divorced. 28 00:01:57,918 --> 00:02:00,919 [Kody] So Christine's got the five of us together. 29 00:02:02,089 --> 00:02:05,224 Her house in under contract it's being sold. 30 00:02:05,226 --> 00:02:07,759 And she has just told us that she's moving in a week. 31 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:10,963 This is a very difficult conversation. 32 00:02:13,701 --> 00:02:15,701 A year ago when I looked at mine and Kody's relationship 33 00:02:15,703 --> 00:02:19,304 and just wasn't... really felt like I couldn't stay. 34 00:02:19,306 --> 00:02:23,408 But I hadn't quite decided to move and to leave. 35 00:02:23,410 --> 00:02:25,544 And I looked at our relationship, how I was, 36 00:02:26,113 --> 00:02:27,479 I just got to thinking, 37 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:30,415 it's not a relationship I would wish on any friend of mine. 38 00:02:30,417 --> 00:02:32,951 But you said you didn't wanna be married to me anymore 39 00:02:33,053 --> 00:02:35,754 when we were talking about moving to Utah. 40 00:02:36,357 --> 00:02:39,458 So that conversation... 41 00:02:39,493 --> 00:02:42,327 I thought my interpretation of the conversation 42 00:02:42,329 --> 00:02:44,630 was at the end of the conversation. 43 00:02:44,632 --> 00:02:47,799 I thought that you might be on team we can move. 44 00:02:47,801 --> 00:02:50,102 Polygamy got you criminalized. 45 00:02:50,104 --> 00:02:53,338 And I wonder why we're still here. 46 00:02:54,108 --> 00:02:55,440 We can move back home. 47 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:57,442 I wanna move back. 48 00:02:57,444 --> 00:03:01,013 I'm in a place where I feel like my kids love it here. 49 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:03,615 This is the most likely place for any of our kids to move back, 50 00:03:03,617 --> 00:03:04,650 our adult kids. 51 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:07,853 I'm surprised because I thought 52 00:03:07,921 --> 00:03:10,122 Kody was more in favor of this. 53 00:03:10,124 --> 00:03:12,090 But he's acting like we've never even talked about this, 54 00:03:12,092 --> 00:03:17,963 and that he wasn't in favor of it last time we talked. 55 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:19,898 Meri, I can't do marriage with Kody anymore. 56 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:22,301 I don't wanna... I don't wanna do it anymore. 57 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:25,137 We're you open to it? 58 00:03:25,239 --> 00:03:27,339 We're you open to moving, Kody? 59 00:03:27,408 --> 00:03:30,108 I didn't wanna move. I liked the idea of living in Utah. 60 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:32,244 I don't like the idea of moving. 61 00:03:32,346 --> 00:03:34,513 To me he was open to Utah, 62 00:03:34,515 --> 00:03:36,114 -end of the conversation. -But I wonder, 63 00:03:36,116 --> 00:03:37,950 isn't this bigger than just that? 64 00:03:37,952 --> 00:03:39,918 I mean, this is bigger than just that. 65 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,853 This wasn't just about the move to Utah, 66 00:03:41,955 --> 00:03:43,655 -No. -this wasn't just about... 67 00:03:43,691 --> 00:03:44,956 It was just one of those things 68 00:03:44,958 --> 00:03:48,260 where I was, like, "Am I really just on my own already?" 69 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:50,562 That's what it felt like. 70 00:03:50,631 --> 00:03:52,831 'Cause I thought before, like, really, honestly. 71 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:55,300 He was giddy when we talked about moving to-- 72 00:03:55,302 --> 00:03:56,535 No. No, no, no, no. 73 00:03:56,637 --> 00:03:58,403 I remember it different. It's fine, I mean... 74 00:03:58,405 --> 00:04:00,339 This is what I remember. 75 00:04:00,407 --> 00:04:04,443 I was interested in the family, not in the man. 76 00:04:04,511 --> 00:04:06,612 That's been your mantra. 77 00:04:06,614 --> 00:04:10,249 But it became about the man, and not about the family. 78 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:13,051 And that I think is my angry place. 79 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,520 That's the reason I'm struggling with this. 80 00:04:15,522 --> 00:04:17,956 It's 'cause we've invested, invested, invested, 81 00:04:18,025 --> 00:04:20,959 and it wasn't about the family, it was about the man. 82 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:24,429 And this is my frustration. 83 00:04:24,431 --> 00:04:26,898 And it's also my accusation. 84 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,935 I'm angry that you weren't willing to invest in the family, 85 00:04:30,003 --> 00:04:32,638 but you were only interested in what I could do for you. 86 00:04:32,706 --> 00:04:35,407 Me as a resource for you. 87 00:04:35,409 --> 00:04:36,941 And it breaks my heart 88 00:04:36,943 --> 00:04:40,612 'cause now we're at this point where it's just over, and it's done. 89 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:45,217 I thank you for coming into the family, 90 00:04:45,219 --> 00:04:49,421 and help me sort of gather out this mess that I was in. 91 00:04:51,425 --> 00:04:53,892 It stings when he says that 92 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:58,196 because it's directed at me, probably. 93 00:04:58,198 --> 00:05:02,200 [Meri] You know when Janelle came into the famil I was jealous. 94 00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:06,138 I was sad because I didn't have the time with him that I had prior. 95 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:08,006 You know, I was young, 96 00:05:08,008 --> 00:05:11,443 I was not yet [laughs] fully mature, 97 00:05:11,512 --> 00:05:16,048 uh, nor was he or her, you know. I mean, we just... 98 00:05:16,050 --> 00:05:21,119 We're dealing with a lot of new situations. 99 00:05:21,121 --> 00:05:25,057 And so, he's like, "Oh, let's get Christine and come and save the day." 100 00:05:25,125 --> 00:05:28,427 And that... that stings. 101 00:05:28,429 --> 00:05:32,130 I also thank you for ripping off the Band-Aid so quickly 102 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:36,034 because it was never going to work if it all had to be about me, 103 00:05:36,103 --> 00:05:38,403 as you had always indicated it wasn't. 104 00:05:39,773 --> 00:05:41,506 [Janelle] I think that's a low blow. 105 00:05:41,508 --> 00:05:43,008 I think she was about the family. 106 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,610 She's been about the family, she's been about the kids. 107 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:49,514 And she needed more of relationship with hi 108 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:50,649 You know, I think there's a point 109 00:05:50,751 --> 00:05:52,451 where you stick around and you try to make it work, 110 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:55,287 and then there's a point where it just doesn't work anymore. 111 00:05:55,289 --> 00:06:01,226 And why be miserable, miserable for years, decades. 112 00:06:01,228 --> 00:06:03,261 You came into our lives, you did us a favor. 113 00:06:03,330 --> 00:06:05,964 You're leaving, I almost feel like it's a favor too. 114 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:07,132 [Robyn sighs] 115 00:06:07,201 --> 00:06:11,703 But I don't know because I'm still upset, 116 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:13,405 'cause I'm trying to figure this out. 117 00:06:14,208 --> 00:06:15,907 This is awkward. They're sort of 118 00:06:15,909 --> 00:06:18,310 hashing out their relationship in front of us. 119 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:20,445 [sighs] 120 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:23,515 What else, if they talk. 121 00:06:23,517 --> 00:06:25,517 If they're talking. 122 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:29,721 [Robyn] I believe that there's always a chance for a miracle. 123 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:34,526 People go through, like... get close to divorce 124 00:06:34,528 --> 00:06:36,561 and then change their mind all the time. 125 00:06:38,132 --> 00:06:39,498 She may say she's divorced, 126 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:43,301 but in my head, technically, she's not. 127 00:06:43,303 --> 00:06:48,306 So I'm just kinda like, well, maybe they can talk this out. 128 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:50,308 So... [sighs] 129 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:52,811 -Don't word it, just think about what I said. -Uh-huh, no. 130 00:06:53,113 --> 00:06:53,945 Um... 131 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:55,480 Soak in that. 132 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,619 Wow. You better not give my any rebuttal, just listen to what I said. 133 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:04,055 I mean, I don't know who this patriarchal guy is 134 00:07:04,157 --> 00:07:07,726 'cause this is not the guy I was married to for years. 135 00:07:08,829 --> 00:07:11,229 I did love you. I did have a family 136 00:07:11,231 --> 00:07:13,799 of having sister wives, of raising kids together. 137 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:17,803 If you and I don't have a good marriage, 138 00:07:17,805 --> 00:07:21,773 and, like, this is an important part of having a plural family, 139 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:27,045 that each relationship and each marriage is strong too. 140 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:29,514 We always talk about this spokes in the wheel, 141 00:07:31,018 --> 00:07:33,351 and when there's a spoke that's broken, 142 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:36,721 how do we keep it going? And so I stayed. 143 00:07:36,723 --> 00:07:39,758 I made it about the family. I did so much for the family. 144 00:07:39,827 --> 00:07:41,426 [indistinct chatter] 145 00:07:41,428 --> 00:07:43,462 [Christine] It was all about having family function 146 00:07:43,530 --> 00:07:45,730 family get-togethers, and family parties. 147 00:07:45,732 --> 00:07:48,900 My house was always open to everybody. 148 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:52,237 I loved he big family activities that we had. 149 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:55,407 The big family is great. 150 00:07:55,409 --> 00:07:59,544 But when you feel like you're a minimal person in Kody's big picture, 151 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:02,614 and really don't even matter in the big picture, 152 00:08:02,616 --> 00:08:06,251 it changes the perspective on everything. 153 00:08:06,353 --> 00:08:08,620 I've been heartbroken for years. 154 00:08:08,622 --> 00:08:10,355 For years I've been heartbroken 155 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:13,325 in our relationship. 156 00:08:14,895 --> 00:08:17,629 -I'm just tired of being heartbroken... -Because you've... 157 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:21,032 -...just tired. -No big picture, just you. 158 00:08:21,134 --> 00:08:23,902 You don't think I stayed for the big picture as long as I did? 159 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:25,704 I guess. I guess. 160 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:28,740 -'Cause I wanted it to work. -Thank you. I just wasn't... 161 00:08:30,010 --> 00:08:31,042 I don't know. 162 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:38,817 There's this realization of, um, screw it. 163 00:08:38,819 --> 00:08:41,553 You know, it's like, "Listen this has been bad for a long time," 164 00:08:41,622 --> 00:08:45,624 and I sat here whining about it breaking up recently. 165 00:08:45,626 --> 00:08:48,426 Whereas I'm lucky it even lasted this long. 166 00:08:48,428 --> 00:08:53,698 I'm coming to that realizati that I'm so upset about how this has gone down. 167 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:56,301 And I don't know the exact reason, I don't know. 168 00:08:56,303 --> 00:08:59,638 I think I'm angry because when you get divorced you're supposed to be. 169 00:08:59,739 --> 00:09:02,107 I have no idea what's going on with me, 170 00:09:02,109 --> 00:09:04,576 but I'm really upset by this. 171 00:09:04,578 --> 00:09:06,645 And if I really boil it down, 172 00:09:06,713 --> 00:09:09,414 if I bring it to the core of what's going on, 173 00:09:10,918 --> 00:09:15,554 it feels like after all I've done, I'm being rejected anyway. 174 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:18,823 And it's just not rejection for me, 175 00:09:18,825 --> 00:09:22,627 it's rejection for some of my kids, and my other wives. 176 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,936 I have seen her non-acceptance of Robyn through the years. 177 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:33,905 She's treated you like dirt from the very beginning. 178 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:36,308 That's the relationship you have with her, 179 00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:37,842 and that's the reason I'm angry 180 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:40,245 That's the reason I'm pissed off. 181 00:09:40,314 --> 00:09:41,947 I just feel like, now that she's leaving, 182 00:09:42,048 --> 00:09:44,649 I just felt like giving her a piece of my mind without leaving. 183 00:09:45,319 --> 00:09:46,418 [sobbing] 184 00:10:01,034 --> 00:10:03,134 So I'm curious, in all of this 185 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:06,304 it seems like my relationship with all the kids, 186 00:10:07,407 --> 00:10:10,942 the adult kids, is really off too. 187 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:13,945 Have you been talking to the adult kids about this? 188 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:15,914 No, we don't. We rarely-- 189 00:10:15,916 --> 00:10:17,515 No one wants to talk about this. 190 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:20,552 Think your relationship is off with your kids 191 00:10:20,621 --> 00:10:22,621 because of COVID, not because of me. 192 00:10:23,523 --> 00:10:26,124 Bull. You're telling them. 193 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:28,193 It's Christine telling them. 194 00:10:28,195 --> 00:10:30,528 She's running to this person, to this person, 195 00:10:30,530 --> 00:10:32,063 to this person, to this person, 196 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:33,798 to complain about the relationship. 197 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,801 She's playing a game. She's been playing games for years. 198 00:10:37,704 --> 00:10:39,237 I just call bull [bleep] 199 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:40,705 [scoffs] 200 00:10:41,308 --> 00:10:42,239 I... 201 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:46,311 I cannot figure out why I'm so angry. 202 00:10:48,048 --> 00:10:49,614 I mean, it's sad. 203 00:10:49,616 --> 00:10:51,716 I've seen you grieving, Kody, 204 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,852 like in a way I've never seen you grieve before. 205 00:10:55,222 --> 00:10:56,388 You disguise it, 206 00:10:56,390 --> 00:10:58,323 but it's grief. 207 00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:01,159 I don't know how to explain it, he's just been off. 208 00:11:01,194 --> 00:11:07,499 He's gone to a more angry place quickly... quicker than he ever did. 209 00:11:07,501 --> 00:11:11,436 I finally realized it's a grieving process for him. 210 00:11:11,505 --> 00:11:13,338 I guess, maybe I'm mad because I feel 211 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,908 like an investor who poured everything that he had into something, 212 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:20,311 and then, you know, it just didn't work. 213 00:11:20,313 --> 00:11:22,213 In our marriage I was putting so much effort. 214 00:11:22,215 --> 00:11:24,049 I was holding her hand, I was kissing her. 215 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:25,884 Well, I wasn't in love. 216 00:11:25,886 --> 00:11:27,819 I was doing it as my duty as a husband. 217 00:11:28,522 --> 00:11:30,522 And she's not either. 218 00:11:30,524 --> 00:11:33,291 I mean, she quit loving me years ago. 219 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:37,128 And now that we're here, I'm just so upset. 220 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:41,433 Because it's like... It's not the breakup of two people, 221 00:11:41,501 --> 00:11:43,301 it's the breakup of a family. 222 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,106 Is it too much of a shock? 223 00:11:49,108 --> 00:11:51,810 Hass anybody else got anything to say, or is it just... 224 00:11:57,851 --> 00:12:00,051 You have a look on your face like you know the whole world, 225 00:12:00,153 --> 00:12:01,853 but you're not gonna say something. 226 00:12:01,922 --> 00:12:04,723 -What? -You look like the bird that ate the mouse. 227 00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:07,726 What do you think I have to say? 228 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:08,960 [laughs] 229 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:13,331 I don't know why he's saying this to me, 230 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:18,236 I really don't. I mean, I've had plenty of thoughts throughout the conversation, 231 00:12:19,706 --> 00:12:21,139 but they're really not... 232 00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:24,409 It's really not my business to say. 233 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:26,511 Tone in her voice says it all, doesn't it? 234 00:12:26,513 --> 00:12:28,947 No. I really don't know what you're talking about. 235 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:33,818 I know Meri's ticks, I know her. 236 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:36,020 She's leaking emotionally, 237 00:12:36,022 --> 00:12:39,257 uh, and I recognize it after all these years. 238 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:41,025 It drives me nuts normally, 239 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:44,462 but now I'm looking forward to sort of be supportive. 240 00:12:44,531 --> 00:12:47,432 Really, I feel like I'm swimming... 241 00:12:48,502 --> 00:12:50,535 [sighs] in some really deep water, 242 00:12:50,637 --> 00:12:53,204 and I'm looking for somebody to throw me a life raft here. 243 00:12:53,206 --> 00:12:55,140 'Cause I think this is the last time 244 00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:57,041 we're ever gonna have this discussion, 245 00:12:57,143 --> 00:12:59,444 -right? So... -Meet here and talk here? 246 00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:02,814 Well, yeah. The house will be sold, you'll be gone. This is it. 247 00:13:02,816 --> 00:13:05,049 And I'm the only one saying something, 248 00:13:05,151 --> 00:13:07,519 and I'm just a mixed ball of emotions. 249 00:13:07,521 --> 00:13:09,420 You're not the only one that's saying something. 250 00:13:13,827 --> 00:13:15,627 I'm struggling today, so... 251 00:13:18,632 --> 00:13:20,397 I'll do better another day. 252 00:13:22,536 --> 00:13:25,537 [Robyn] This whole thing that she's telling us today is just a shock. 253 00:13:26,606 --> 00:13:28,940 I don't know. Today I just know that I'm not... 254 00:13:33,547 --> 00:13:38,817 I'm not completely calm. I'm struggling. 255 00:13:41,555 --> 00:13:45,323 Somedays I get really, like, "Hey, we'll figure this out. 256 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:48,593 We'll figure out someway to still make it be cohesive 257 00:13:48,595 --> 00:13:51,329 and workable, and that kind of thing." I don't know about today. 258 00:13:56,736 --> 00:14:00,205 It's a strange world to be going through a divorce 259 00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:05,510 I guess, while you're married to somebody who's loyal and loving. 260 00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:08,913 But she's been going through it with me. 261 00:14:08,915 --> 00:14:10,748 She came in this family cap in hand, 262 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:13,251 saying, "Please accept me. Please accept my children." 263 00:14:13,319 --> 00:14:18,623 She with me is being rejected. 264 00:14:18,625 --> 00:14:22,126 Dealing with a lot of anger and mourning... 265 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:32,303 I don't mean to push you away, I'm just frustrated. 266 00:14:32,305 --> 00:14:34,606 You're not pushing me away. I know you're frustrated, 267 00:14:34,608 --> 00:14:37,508 and I know you're angry, and I know it's hard. 268 00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:46,918 [sighs] Hmmm. 269 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,221 [Kody] My emotions feels so pathetic 270 00:14:51,124 --> 00:14:53,057 that I'm frustrated by it. 271 00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,828 Plural marriage isn't easy. 272 00:14:56,830 --> 00:14:59,163 And on a bad day you can feel trapped in it. 273 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:01,699 And she's getting out the... 274 00:15:06,506 --> 00:15:07,705 the lobster bucket. 275 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:13,845 I'm in this really hard lifestyle, 276 00:15:14,614 --> 00:15:16,814 partly because of her. 277 00:15:16,816 --> 00:15:19,550 And it has been very very hard, 278 00:15:19,619 --> 00:15:21,753 partly because of her. 279 00:15:21,854 --> 00:15:24,222 And she's just leaving now. 280 00:15:27,761 --> 00:15:29,761 [Robyn] I have definitely been mourning 281 00:15:29,862 --> 00:15:32,230 the loss of the family culture. 282 00:15:32,232 --> 00:15:35,033 Are you interested in, like, trying to work stuff out, 283 00:15:35,035 --> 00:15:37,402 maybe from the past how many years? 284 00:15:37,404 --> 00:15:40,204 I think for right now I need space. 285 00:15:40,206 --> 00:15:41,739 -[Robyn] Okay. -For right now. 286 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:43,741 [Meri] Well, I may as well stand up and leave. 287 00:15:43,843 --> 00:15:46,911 There's no point of me being here in this conversation. 288 00:15:46,913 --> 00:15:50,448 It's kind of that last little bit of hope sort of dying. 289 00:15:58,525 --> 00:15:59,423 [scoffs] 290 00:16:15,842 --> 00:16:18,142 So... Okay, I guess I have a question. 291 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:25,516 Are you in a place where you just wanna go do your thing? 292 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:30,722 And those of the kids that have relationship with you, 293 00:16:30,724 --> 00:16:33,358 you'll spend time with them, or whatever. 294 00:16:33,393 --> 00:16:36,828 And then the rest of us, that, maybe you don't have a great relationship with, 295 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:40,164 do we just need to, like, give you your space? 296 00:16:40,233 --> 00:16:42,734 Are you interested in some sort of a... 297 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:46,037 like, trying to work stuff out, 298 00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:47,905 maybe from the past how many years? 299 00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:52,944 I think for right now I need space. 300 00:16:53,013 --> 00:16:54,145 -[Robyn] Okay. -For right now. 301 00:16:55,849 --> 00:16:57,749 [Robyn] I have definitely been mourning 302 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:03,054 the loss of the family culture, and... 303 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:05,890 You know, there's this part of me... 304 00:17:05,892 --> 00:17:07,925 There's this part of me that wondered, you know, 305 00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:12,163 if Kody's not in the picture for her, 306 00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:16,934 will it be easier for her to have a relationship with me and my kids. 307 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:20,638 And, so... 308 00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:30,681 So that's what I'm kind of asking. 309 00:17:30,683 --> 00:17:36,154 Um, but I do see us getting together for family reunions, 310 00:17:36,255 --> 00:17:40,425 and I do see us having fun together, and... 311 00:17:40,427 --> 00:17:42,326 Is that the extent of what you want? 312 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:46,597 -Just a family reunion? -For now, yeah. 313 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:48,099 Okay. 314 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:50,501 As far as the relationships with the other adults, 315 00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:52,203 I think Janelle and I are super close, 316 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:55,706 but I'm not that close with the rest of you. 317 00:17:55,708 --> 00:17:57,208 And for right now... 318 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:00,812 I kinda need it that way. 319 00:18:05,952 --> 00:18:07,452 [sniffling] 320 00:18:10,156 --> 00:18:13,724 It's kind of that last little bit of hope sort of dying. 321 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:20,198 My immediate thought was, 322 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,400 "Well, I may as well just stand up and leave," 323 00:18:22,402 --> 00:18:26,003 'cause there's no point of me being here in this conversation. 324 00:18:26,005 --> 00:18:28,239 She doesn't wanna work on anything. 325 00:18:28,308 --> 00:18:32,410 And I have seen her non-acceptance of Robyn. 326 00:18:32,412 --> 00:18:37,415 And I have seen her disdain for me through the years. 327 00:18:37,417 --> 00:18:42,053 So as much as it hurts me, 328 00:18:42,055 --> 00:18:47,358 um, I'm glad to know where she actually stands. 329 00:18:47,427 --> 00:18:49,727 Look, I'm not trying to end it that way though. 330 00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:51,062 -To me it's not the end. -[Robyn] No, listen. 331 00:18:51,131 --> 00:18:53,965 -It's kinda like... -This isn't like a... 332 00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:57,702 This isn't like a... It's not a trap question. 333 00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:59,403 -I didn't think so. -It's a real question. 334 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:00,705 I think it's a real question too, 335 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,340 and I appreciate the real question. 336 00:19:02,441 --> 00:19:04,342 It's like, I don't know what I am. 337 00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:09,914 She's treated you like dirt from the very beginning. 338 00:19:09,916 --> 00:19:12,450 That's the relationship you have with her, 339 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,219 and that's the reason I'm angry. 340 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:18,523 That's the reason I'm pissed off, is because... 341 00:19:22,729 --> 00:19:27,465 You never tried to have a good relationship with these other people! 342 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:29,734 And that's the reason I'm pissed off. 343 00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:32,904 -That's not true. Yes, I did. -It's just vomiting out of me 344 00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:34,238 because I've sat here with it 345 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:36,908 just like, "Christine try and do this." 346 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:40,011 You wanted to renegotiate a relationship with me, 347 00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:43,114 but you wouldn't even have a decent one with them. 348 00:19:43,116 --> 00:19:45,516 Always about the kids, that was the easy part. 349 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,919 Man! 350 00:19:48,921 --> 00:19:52,423 Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years. 351 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:57,428 [Kody whispers] Oh, no. 352 00:19:57,430 --> 00:20:01,799 [in normal voice] And the sacrifices that I made, to love you! 353 00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:05,603 Wasted! 354 00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:18,282 Accountability is what I've been asking for here. 355 00:20:18,284 --> 00:20:22,053 And you are running away, rather than being accountable. 356 00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:27,058 You're like, "I'm divorced. [snaps fingers] I'm leaving. 357 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:29,860 I'm done with you. You're out of my house." 358 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:36,500 Instead of actually making the relationships work and trying. 359 00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:42,240 If you're not trying to be your best self in this relationship 360 00:20:42,308 --> 00:20:45,810 or in this family, then you are wasting your time. 361 00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:48,312 Marriage is a call to be better than you are. 362 00:20:49,515 --> 00:20:51,315 Plural marriages are a higher call. 363 00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:53,250 [exhales] 364 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,861 Okay, look, I never tried to treat anybody like crap. 365 00:21:03,930 --> 00:21:06,030 I never tried. I never did. 366 00:21:06,032 --> 00:21:07,131 But you did. 367 00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:10,134 -Well, I'm sorry, I didn't want to. -[bleep] 368 00:21:10,203 --> 00:21:11,202 ...so much! 369 00:21:11,204 --> 00:21:12,903 I didn't mean to. 370 00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:13,604 [Kody] Oh, gosh. 371 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:15,506 And you admitted to it. 372 00:21:15,508 --> 00:21:17,408 And you couldn't correct it. 373 00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:21,946 And now we're sitting here with a broken family over it. 374 00:21:22,048 --> 00:21:24,348 And you're like the fricking Pied Piper. 375 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:28,352 -You're trying to take the kids with you. -No, that's not even-- Okay. 376 00:21:28,454 --> 00:21:29,754 [Kody sighs] 377 00:21:31,057 --> 00:21:35,059 I could sit here and dissect everything that Kody has said, 378 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,227 and give you my point. 379 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:38,529 But we've done this for year 380 00:21:39,866 --> 00:21:40,965 I'm tired. 381 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:42,500 I'm tired. 382 00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:45,403 It doesn't matter, it's over. 383 00:21:52,245 --> 00:21:55,313 So, thank you. Thank you for coming. It was a blessing. 384 00:21:55,315 --> 00:21:56,914 Thank you for leaving. 385 00:21:56,916 --> 00:22:00,851 Cause now, I'm sitting here trying to find the silver lining. 386 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,820 Uh, I just hope it's a blessing. 387 00:22:07,026 --> 00:22:08,726 [Kody exhales] 388 00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:20,338 I just feel like, for the past 14 years, I've just been sucking it up with her. 389 00:22:20,406 --> 00:22:22,707 Y'know, just trying to be a loving husband. 390 00:22:22,709 --> 00:22:24,141 And now that she's leaving, 391 00:22:24,143 --> 00:22:26,410 I just felt like giving her a piece of my mind without leaving. 392 00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:31,916 And this ain't my fault, you did this, is what I feel like. 393 00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:35,619 I don't care if that's not fair. That's how I feel. 394 00:22:36,122 --> 00:22:37,555 She did this. 395 00:22:40,526 --> 00:22:43,861 She's gonna go around telling my kids that I didn't love her. 396 00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:50,601 I feel like she needs to realize, here with this, 397 00:22:50,603 --> 00:22:52,036 that she wasn't loving me. 398 00:22:56,609 --> 00:22:59,110 [Christine whines] Thanks, honey. 399 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:10,921 I'm not trying to take sides, but I feel like Kody was really harsh. 400 00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,224 Even though he tried to dilute it a little bit, 401 00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,626 it seemed very pointing to one relationship. 402 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:19,163 I just feel like, being a good sister wife, 403 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:24,402 it takes both sides. It takes reciprocation, it takes work on all the sides. 404 00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:27,705 And work on the part of the husband. 405 00:23:27,707 --> 00:23:31,842 [Kody] J anelle has a great deal of sympathy for Christi during this divorce. 406 00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:34,311 But it's a disappointment, it's a sadness to me. 407 00:23:34,313 --> 00:23:39,016 Because what Janelle has showed me is no tenderness, no kindness, no empathy, 408 00:23:39,018 --> 00:23:41,152 while I'm going through the divorce. 409 00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:44,555 -I didn't try and be anything. -I know. 410 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:46,056 I think it's emotion. 411 00:23:46,058 --> 00:23:48,025 -I didn't try to be a bad anything. -It's emotion. 412 00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:51,462 [Meri] This is not just emotions. 413 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:54,999 That response from Kody was not just emotion. 414 00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:58,202 That response from Kody was real. 415 00:23:58,204 --> 00:24:02,506 And he said some things he probably has been holding in for a long time. 416 00:24:03,843 --> 00:24:05,142 I'm glad he said it. 417 00:24:09,715 --> 00:24:12,950 [Christine] I-- Why don't they talk to me? 418 00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:15,886 If my sister wives are mad at me, why don't they talk to me? 419 00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:19,156 Instead of talking to Kody. It doesn't help. 420 00:24:19,192 --> 00:24:23,494 I know that in our family, every one of us, 421 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:28,599 has had a conversation with another one of us, about another one of us. 422 00:24:28,601 --> 00:24:31,969 It has happened with Robyn, with Kody, Janelle and Christine. 423 00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:33,603 Like, everybody. 424 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:37,708 [Robyn] I learned very earl on in my relationship with Kody, 425 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:42,112 venting my frustrations about a sister wife didn't work. 426 00:24:42,114 --> 00:24:44,648 It made him angry, it made him upset and I realized, 427 00:24:44,717 --> 00:24:46,617 I was talking about someone he loved. 428 00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:50,120 Christine, for two years now, was constantly complaining 429 00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:54,325 about her sister wives and w she didn't wanna live with them in one house. 430 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:59,463 It hasn't been the other wives tattling or backstabbing her or anything like that. 431 00:24:59,532 --> 00:25:04,201 It's been her telling me how she felt about them. 432 00:25:06,906 --> 00:25:11,008 I guess, y'know, I wanted to double check. Y'know, it sounds like 433 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:12,242 you must continue to have 434 00:25:12,244 --> 00:25:14,044 the relationships with the people you're close with, 435 00:25:14,146 --> 00:25:18,949 and um, those that you aren't close with, um, they just-- 436 00:25:18,951 --> 00:25:22,820 You just wanted to stay distant. 437 00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:28,526 -[Robyn] Okay, all right. -For right now. 438 00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:34,197 Sorry to see you go. 439 00:25:43,743 --> 00:25:46,644 [Robyn] Through the years, as I have had issues with Christine, 440 00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:49,213 I've tried very hard 441 00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:53,217 to approach her, to try to talk to her, to text her, to call her. 442 00:25:53,219 --> 00:25:56,520 I was met with walls, rejection. 443 00:25:56,522 --> 00:26:02,259 Um, just her not wanting to discuss things through. 444 00:26:02,328 --> 00:26:05,763 I feel like there's been some things said against me behind my back. 445 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:11,068 So do I wanna be friends with someone who complains about me behind my back? 446 00:26:11,837 --> 00:26:12,903 Well, not right now. 447 00:26:15,341 --> 00:26:18,309 [Robyn sobbing] 448 00:26:35,494 --> 00:26:38,562 I think this is one of the saddest conversations I've ever been in. 449 00:26:39,832 --> 00:26:44,134 I don't regret leaving at all, though. 450 00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:49,707 I still stand firm that leaving is 100% the right thing to do. 451 00:26:49,709 --> 00:26:54,311 And moving and getting away is definitely the right thing to do. 452 00:26:54,313 --> 00:26:56,313 But I'm sorry I'm leaving a mess behind. 453 00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,517 [Robyn sobbing] 454 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:28,112 So, about a week ago, Christine announced to me and the other wives 455 00:27:28,114 --> 00:27:31,949 that she was moving. That the house was sold and she was leaving. 456 00:27:32,051 --> 00:27:35,519 I guess this became the ultimate awareness for me, 457 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:38,722 where I finally had to admit she's leaving and I had a meltdown. 458 00:27:40,059 --> 00:27:43,060 But I'm trying to put that to the side. 459 00:27:43,129 --> 00:27:47,164 And, uh, go on with my other relationships as best I can. 460 00:27:50,136 --> 00:27:51,802 [Janelle] Since we all talke to Christine at her house, 461 00:27:51,804 --> 00:27:54,605 we've all sort of retreated back to our little holes. 462 00:27:54,607 --> 00:27:58,108 So I don't know, I haven't seen anybody, I don't know what everybody is planning. 463 00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:00,744 But I have to keep moving forward on the property. 464 00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:04,415 I don't know if it means I'm gonna live here alone or what, 465 00:28:04,417 --> 00:28:08,218 but, my eggs are all in this basket and I'm just moving forward. 466 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:11,255 APS came out and I talked to them about everything. 467 00:28:11,323 --> 00:28:13,457 -[Kody] About electric? -Mmm-hmm. 468 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,859 APS stands for Arizona Public Service. 469 00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:19,830 They're basically the provider for electricity in this area. 470 00:28:19,832 --> 00:28:23,434 So, we can't get electric for an empty lot. 471 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:27,237 It's a little but intimidating to think about staying over the winter. 472 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:32,042 I-- I think, may be it might work without electricity. 473 00:28:32,044 --> 00:28:33,143 I'd have to have-- 474 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,046 I don't know. I'm willing to try. 475 00:28:36,115 --> 00:28:38,148 Because I believe so much in staying out here 476 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:40,150 and bringing this house to fruition. 477 00:28:40,252 --> 00:28:44,254 [Kody] Like, okay, so we could get electric with a permit for building though, right? 478 00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:45,956 [Janelle] Yeah, I mean, so that's down the road. 479 00:28:46,025 --> 00:28:49,159 But in October, I'm gonna have to move up there for a little bit. 480 00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,829 So, I've been at the trailer two months. 481 00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:55,032 It's mid-August, I have two more months before the permit runs out. 482 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:59,036 In our county, we only can stay on our own property 483 00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:01,105 for four months a year in a trailer. 484 00:29:01,107 --> 00:29:04,708 So I have to have somewhere to go for November, December, January, February. 485 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:07,044 Hopefully, by February, I'll start building. 486 00:29:07,113 --> 00:29:10,314 So I had planned to move up to lot 3, which was gonna b Christine's lot, 487 00:29:10,316 --> 00:29:11,448 for the winter. 488 00:29:11,517 --> 00:29:13,951 I know my heat works cause I've been using it. 489 00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:16,486 I mean, I'm really good to try-- 490 00:29:16,488 --> 00:29:19,123 -Your generator's working really good, right? -Yeah, I know, it's so great! 491 00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:23,060 My heat is propane and I have these very big tanks. 492 00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:25,963 And I just need a generator or a battery, 493 00:29:26,031 --> 00:29:29,600 which I would charge up the battery during the day and it runs all night. 494 00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:31,401 I can run the heater. 495 00:29:31,403 --> 00:29:33,904 So, I'm willing to try it. 496 00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:36,840 I-- It's a really big difference, 497 00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:40,844 um, in Flagstaff, living in town, versus living out here. 498 00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:44,047 The winters are harsher, it's colder. 499 00:29:44,049 --> 00:29:47,618 Way more snow, it's just a hard winter. 500 00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:50,721 And I can't even imagine trying to do it in... 501 00:29:50,723 --> 00:29:54,258 But, basically, y'know, I've-- Savanah's settled in. She's okay. 502 00:29:54,326 --> 00:29:56,293 -Yeah. -[Janelle] Y'know what I mean? She's doing all right. 503 00:29:56,295 --> 00:30:00,364 So my ultimate goal with building would be to have a house built 504 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,800 by the time Savanah goes to her senior year. 505 00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:04,501 That is about a year from no 506 00:30:04,503 --> 00:30:07,504 I'm up against huge odds to make this happen. 507 00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:09,606 But the plans are being drawn. 508 00:30:09,608 --> 00:30:12,910 I know what it's gonna look like, I can visualize it in my head. 509 00:30:12,912 --> 00:30:15,145 I want this to happen. 510 00:30:15,247 --> 00:30:19,149 So I can be done by next school year, if it gets-- If everything stays on track. 511 00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:21,952 Hmm. 512 00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:25,322 There-- There's so many moving parts to this. 513 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:31,361 And she keeps trying to move forward without coming back to the one main thing. 514 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:32,830 That's the main thing. 515 00:30:32,832 --> 00:30:35,532 We have to pay off the property. 516 00:30:35,601 --> 00:30:38,502 We do not have the means to pay off the property. 517 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:43,340 Therefore, we cannot get the lots organized the way we need to. 518 00:30:43,442 --> 00:30:46,210 Christine is picking up and she's moving to Utah. 519 00:30:46,212 --> 00:30:49,446 We're done. She's done with us, she's out. 520 00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:52,616 She's leaving, so she's basically handing over 521 00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:55,853 her value in Coyote Pass to me 522 00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:59,923 as exchange for my equity in her house that she's selling. 523 00:30:59,925 --> 00:31:05,529 But we can't pay off Coyote Pass by selling off a lot. 524 00:31:05,531 --> 00:31:10,534 Cause we've got to-- We need to pay it off so we can reconfigure it, 525 00:31:10,636 --> 00:31:12,436 so we get more value out of it. 526 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:15,405 Y'know, I mean, like, may be it's a horrible other thing and I give up. 527 00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:18,208 But part of me is like, I'm just determined, 528 00:31:18,911 --> 00:31:20,344 to try to make this work. 529 00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:25,115 Hmm. Okay. 530 00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:28,852 Look, Kody has never really been engaged in my housing since I moved here. 531 00:31:28,954 --> 00:31:32,222 He was mad when I went from my first rental to my second rental, 532 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:34,424 even though the second rental was much bigger. 533 00:31:34,426 --> 00:31:36,827 He was mad because it wasn't as nice. 534 00:31:36,829 --> 00:31:39,096 But you know what, he has a house that he lives in 535 00:31:39,098 --> 00:31:41,298 upon the hill with Robyn and it's really nice. 536 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:45,102 And I have nothing. So I'm trying hard to build myself something here. 537 00:31:45,104 --> 00:31:48,505 The original plan from the very beginning was that we would build on Coyote Pass 538 00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,841 but we ran into some real problems when we moved here. 539 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,210 So, we bought a house for Christine, 540 00:31:53,212 --> 00:31:56,313 and then eventually, we had to buy a house for Robyn. 541 00:31:56,315 --> 00:31:58,615 I know this is bothering Janelle, 542 00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:02,452 but I've been invested in this from the very beginning. 543 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:06,323 And the problem is, we do discuss it, I get involved in her house, 544 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:10,060 but she doesn't like me being involved because I disagree with her. 545 00:32:10,062 --> 00:32:12,562 So instead of coming to a meeting of the minds, 546 00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:14,164 she just does whatever she wants. 547 00:32:15,534 --> 00:32:17,200 Look, I know you're like, "We should have just bought." 548 00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:19,303 -But I felt like this was the right thing to do. -No, no, no. 549 00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:21,438 It's not even just buying, it's just renting. 550 00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:24,708 Kody, if I were to ride in town, it would just be out of sight, out of mind again, 551 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:26,109 y'know, I mean... 552 00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:28,045 So, that was part of the whole reason I wanted to move out here, 553 00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:30,547 was to keep me moving along. 554 00:32:32,618 --> 00:32:36,620 I have gotten myself in a very stupid position as far as an independent woman. 555 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:38,755 If I were to leave, or want to leave right now, 556 00:32:38,857 --> 00:32:41,758 I would have no estate. I have nothing to leave to my kids. 557 00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,027 My hands are completely tied 558 00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:47,831 cause everything I have asset wise has everybody else's name on it too. 559 00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:53,303 [Robyn] We all are owners of property. 560 00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:55,605 Our names are on different pieces of the properties, 561 00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:58,442 so we do-- We actually all do have an asset. 562 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:02,045 My home does have Kody and I's name on it. 563 00:33:02,047 --> 00:33:08,518 Y'know, through the years, we've had multiple people on the homes, 564 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,624 because in the past, we real have just worked together as a family, y'know. 565 00:33:14,626 --> 00:33:18,228 And so, it really didn't matter, we all just kind of had each other's backs. 566 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:22,032 And, y'know, we're all in this together. 567 00:33:22,134 --> 00:33:26,903 [Janelle] Honestly, I gave half the proceeds from my house in like, Vegas, 568 00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:30,507 to Robyn to help purchase this house that she's in currently. 569 00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:34,177 We also, at that time, pooled a lot of money from the joint family account 570 00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:35,812 to help get her into that house. 571 00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:38,515 We have a family account and the same amount of money is in it 572 00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:40,717 as when we bought Robyn's house. 573 00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:44,521 And it was okay to deplete at that point, to pay for Robyn's house. 574 00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:47,958 And I'm like, "We did it for Robyn, we did it for Christine, 575 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,594 why can it not be my turn?" 576 00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:55,399 Well, it wasn't a matter of finding the money, for Christine's house, 577 00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:58,702 or finding the money for Robyn's house, 578 00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:01,204 it was a matter of having the money. 579 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:04,708 Now, we don't have the money. 580 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:06,076 So, I'll keep moving forward. 581 00:34:06,078 --> 00:34:07,944 Cause I have to think that whatever we're doing 582 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,514 is going to blaze the trail for the other pieces. 583 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:12,516 [Kody] Yeah. 584 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,520 I'm in this weird place with my wives. 585 00:34:16,522 --> 00:34:18,822 I've got this huge struggle that's going on with Christine, 586 00:34:18,824 --> 00:34:22,125 and what's happened is I've just become agreeabl 587 00:34:22,127 --> 00:34:26,029 That's why I'm sitting here, just going, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." 588 00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:29,933 When I know it's just-- There's a disconnect. 589 00:34:30,035 --> 00:34:33,303 And in order for her to start building on this land, 590 00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:35,005 we have to pay it off. 591 00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:36,606 All right. 592 00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:42,212 I needed a place where I could actually nurture 593 00:34:42,214 --> 00:34:44,815 a relationship with Janelle and Savanah. 594 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:46,750 And it's too late. 595 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,319 We already have the RV. 596 00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:51,655 Well, I'll look into getting propane. 597 00:34:51,723 --> 00:34:53,723 -[Janelle] All right, baby. See you later. -[Kody] See ya. 598 00:34:55,194 --> 00:35:00,063 It's exhausting our emotional resources. 599 00:35:02,901 --> 00:35:04,434 [Janelle] I'm not asking him to do anything. 600 00:35:04,436 --> 00:35:06,403 I'm not asking anyone else to come out here and build, 601 00:35:06,405 --> 00:35:08,939 nobody else has to make any decisions. 602 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,041 And I'm not asking him for any money, 603 00:35:11,043 --> 00:35:13,210 except for the money that the family has pledged 604 00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:16,246 to pay off this property when we first bought it. 605 00:35:16,314 --> 00:35:18,815 So, that's all I'm asking, is for him to honor that commitment, 606 00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:21,751 for everybody to prioritize that and then after that, I don't care. 607 00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:23,954 I'm just trying to build something for myself here. 608 00:35:27,025 --> 00:35:28,925 Today was the first day of school for the kids. 609 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:31,628 -Hi, Ariella. Hi, Sol. -Hi. 610 00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:34,931 First day of school. Mommy. First day of school. Mommy. 611 00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:36,233 Good job, high five. 612 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:38,101 [Kody] Ariella is my 18th child. 613 00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:40,837 And there is this sense of this being the last, 614 00:35:40,939 --> 00:35:42,439 both for me and for Robyn. 615 00:35:42,507 --> 00:35:44,274 [Kody] Let's write your name. 616 00:35:44,276 --> 00:35:46,309 [Christine] I think one of the most important parts about me leaving Kody 617 00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:51,047 was to keep the good memories that he has with the kids present. 618 00:35:51,116 --> 00:35:54,351 You don't want your kids to have just-- Remember all the negative times. 619 00:35:54,419 --> 00:35:55,952 That doesn't serve anybody. 620 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:13,803 So things are really, really difficult right now with the family. 621 00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:17,040 But, y'know, Kody and I still have little kids. 622 00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:20,510 They're going back to school in person, for the first time. 623 00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:24,214 And, y'know, I want to have them feel special 624 00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:26,416 and like, excited about their day and stuff. 625 00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,652 Oh, my goodness. 626 00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:31,154 Fun, fun, school. 627 00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:33,290 Today was the first day of school for the kids. 628 00:36:33,292 --> 00:36:37,427 But, the most important thing is it's Ari's first day of kindergarten. 629 00:36:37,429 --> 00:36:42,065 Solomon was in third grade last year and he was online the whole, entire year. 630 00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:45,602 This is his first day back in person, too, which is really fun. 631 00:36:45,604 --> 00:36:47,704 -Hi! -Hi, Ariella. 632 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,139 -Hi! -[Kody] Hi, Sol. 633 00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:50,540 [Breanna] Happy first day! 634 00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:52,108 -[Kody] How was it? -[Solomon and Ariella] Good. 635 00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:53,310 Did you make friends? 636 00:36:53,312 --> 00:36:54,411 -[Solomon] Yeah. -[Ariella] Yes. 637 00:36:54,413 --> 00:36:57,480 We did get a report from Ariella's teacher 638 00:36:57,482 --> 00:37:00,817 that there was a girl that was there, that was shy and sad. 639 00:37:00,819 --> 00:37:04,721 And that Ari was very helpfu and she tried to hold her hand, 640 00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:06,456 and, uh, help this other person. 641 00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:07,757 Hey, come here. 642 00:37:07,826 --> 00:37:09,826 -Hey, I wanna know how your day was. -Breanna! 643 00:37:09,828 --> 00:37:11,127 [Ariella] My day was good. 644 00:37:11,129 --> 00:37:13,563 [Kody] Ari is very gregariou very brave. 645 00:37:13,632 --> 00:37:16,533 She's a little girl that I'm actually very proud of. 646 00:37:16,635 --> 00:37:20,937 I made a friend with Sad, cause I wouldn't leave her alone. 647 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,907 [Kody] Okay, you're friend with Sad, cause you wouldn't leave her alone? 648 00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:24,841 Yeah. 649 00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:29,346 Were you being too much of a pest? 650 00:37:29,447 --> 00:37:31,648 [Robyn] Oh, we don't use that word. Let's be nice. 651 00:37:33,252 --> 00:37:35,118 You were bugging her? 652 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,721 -Oh, really? I'm so sorry. -[Robyn giggles] 653 00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:40,624 She-- She kept running away from me. 654 00:37:40,626 --> 00:37:42,959 Why was she running away? 655 00:37:49,835 --> 00:37:51,334 He cut her off. 656 00:37:52,204 --> 00:37:53,803 Breaking up, yeah. 657 00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:55,939 [Robyn] Were you nervous when I dropped you off to school today? 658 00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:57,340 -Yeah. -[Robyn] You were? 659 00:37:57,442 --> 00:38:00,043 Did that teacher take you to your class? 660 00:38:00,145 --> 00:38:02,112 -[Ariella] Yeah. Yeah. -And you were okay? 661 00:38:02,114 --> 00:38:05,048 I almost ran back to her, 662 00:38:05,117 --> 00:38:07,217 but I was like, "No, first day of school. Mommy. 663 00:38:07,219 --> 00:38:10,320 First day of school. Mommy. First day of school. Mommy." 664 00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:12,322 Ari, you're shy. 665 00:38:12,924 --> 00:38:14,124 [giggles] 666 00:38:15,227 --> 00:38:17,427 -Why are you offended? -[sighs] 667 00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:18,428 It's true. 668 00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:20,330 Mama was sad when she dropped you off. 669 00:38:20,332 --> 00:38:23,600 Yeah, I was like, [in childish voice] "My baby, my baby." 670 00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:24,834 [in normal voice] I think it was the hardest-- 671 00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:26,936 It was the hardest drop off I've ever done. 672 00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:29,139 And I went and got in the car with Kody and I was like, 673 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:33,310 "Gosh, that-- That's scary. That's hard. I don't like this." And... 674 00:38:33,312 --> 00:38:35,345 He was like, "Yeah, that was weird." 675 00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:38,615 And he was getting a little bit, like, emotional, 676 00:38:38,617 --> 00:38:43,053 cause he's like, "That's my last kindergartener too." And... 677 00:38:43,055 --> 00:38:45,355 And it was-- I don't know, it was just kind of like, 678 00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:47,691 this moment we just sat there in it going, 679 00:38:47,693 --> 00:38:52,462 "Well, y'know, this is-- This is kind of difficult to do." 680 00:38:52,564 --> 00:38:54,364 -[pleasant music playing] -[children chattering] 681 00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:56,032 How do you open it, huh? 682 00:38:56,101 --> 00:38:58,935 -[children giggling and chattering] -We can be quiet. 683 00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:02,639 [Janelle] So, Kody, especial when they were little, was such a good dad. 684 00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:05,809 Like, I can remember a lot of things, like walking in a line, 685 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:07,844 and probably trying to go brush their teeth or something. 686 00:39:07,946 --> 00:39:09,913 [in sing-song voice] Da-da. 687 00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:13,516 -[Kody] Da-da. -[children] Da-da. 688 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:17,454 I thought Kody was stellar, he did such an amazing job relating to his kids. 689 00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:19,823 [Meri] When each of Kody's kids were born, 690 00:39:19,825 --> 00:39:22,826 they all just brought him so much joy. 691 00:39:22,828 --> 00:39:26,262 I mean, he loved hanging out with them. 692 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,199 Y'know, he was always a really, really, good dad. 693 00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,835 [Kody] Let's write your name. 694 00:39:31,936 --> 00:39:34,637 [Christine] I think one of the most important parts about me leaving Kody 695 00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:39,409 was to keep the good memories that he has with the kids present. 696 00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:43,113 He used to wrestle with the older kids all the time 697 00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:44,447 I just think it's important to remember 698 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:46,750 all the good memories that the kids have of their dad. 699 00:39:46,818 --> 00:39:50,053 You don't want your kids to have just-- Remember all the negative times. 700 00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:51,721 That doesn't serve anybody. 701 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,257 Uh, what would you call this? Your unicorn? 702 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:56,626 Lunch-- Well, you ate everything but the apple. 703 00:39:56,628 --> 00:39:59,462 -[Robyn] Almost all of it-- Yeah, that's how much. -Good job, high five. 704 00:39:59,564 --> 00:40:02,098 [Kody] Ariella is my 18th child. 705 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:06,236 And there is this sense of this being the last, both for me and for Robyn, 706 00:40:07,205 --> 00:40:09,105 of being a very... 707 00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:12,041 Somehow, we just wanna cherish. 708 00:40:12,143 --> 00:40:16,146 I sort of want to every day engage or find out, "What wa your day like?" And... 709 00:40:16,948 --> 00:40:20,717 It's a poignant thought. 710 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,018 Sobering if you will, 711 00:40:23,054 --> 00:40:26,089 to think that this is your last out of so many. 712 00:40:26,091 --> 00:40:28,525 -All right, did you have a great day at school? -[Ariella] Yes, I did. 713 00:40:28,527 --> 00:40:30,994 -Did you have a great day at school? -Yes. 714 00:40:30,996 --> 00:40:33,630 -Breanna, did you have a great day at school? -I had a great day. 715 00:40:33,632 --> 00:40:35,064 -[Kody] Probably cause a boy was there. -[Robyn] Senior! 716 00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:36,599 -[Kody] Let's go. -Oh, my God! 717 00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:39,636 -[Kody] Kids, get inside. -She's gonna graduate this year. [whoops] 718 00:40:39,737 --> 00:40:40,503 [Kody] Come on inside. 719 00:40:40,505 --> 00:40:42,338 And cut. 720 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,606 [man] Wow. 721 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:47,510 [Kody] Next time, on Sister Wives... 722 00:40:47,512 --> 00:40:49,646 -Mom, do you wanna know something exciting? -[Christine] Yes 723 00:40:49,747 --> 00:40:52,248 -We're gonna live 20 minutes away from each other. -[screams] 724 00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,350 I want my mom to have everybody say goodbye to her. 725 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:58,321 Is any of the family-- Are you guys gonna do anything like, a goodbye? 726 00:40:58,323 --> 00:41:01,424 Are we gonna go dump toilets on their lawn? 727 00:41:01,426 --> 00:41:03,393 Like what are we doing? What's the plan? 728 00:41:03,395 --> 00:41:04,828 I don't think we're doing anything like that. 729 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:08,064 Yes, she's divorcing my dad, but she's not saying, 730 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:10,433 "Okay, peace out, I'm done with every single one of you." 731 00:41:10,502 --> 00:41:12,302 I'm leaving in five minutes. 732 00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:14,838 I feel like my life is being unraveled before me. 733 00:41:14,906 --> 00:41:17,507 Hey, guys, thank you for coming. Hey, it means a lot to me that you came. 734 00:41:18,243 --> 00:41:19,909 [Christine crying] 735 00:41:19,911 --> 00:41:22,512 I think this was the worst goodbye 736 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:24,747 that I've ever witnessed. 737 00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:27,050 [Christine crying]