1 00:00:05,127 --> 00:00:05,927 Time's running out. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,429 Ray Allen for three at the buzzer. 3 00:00:07,462 --> 00:00:08,597 Yes! Oh! 4 00:00:08,630 --> 00:00:10,065 Heat win by two. 5 00:00:10,099 --> 00:00:12,167 Carmelo with a running hook! 6 00:00:20,709 --> 00:00:21,676 CARRIE: You're forgetting. 7 00:00:21,710 --> 00:00:22,844 I hit the Red Sox 8 00:00:22,877 --> 00:00:24,213 on Wednesday. 9 00:00:24,246 --> 00:00:26,281 Plus, I nailed that three-team parlay 10 00:00:26,315 --> 00:00:29,851 of the A's, Jays and the Reds on Friday, right? 11 00:00:29,884 --> 00:00:32,087 Which would put my new total at... 12 00:00:33,688 --> 00:00:37,292 See, that is a very nice number, Zeke. 13 00:00:37,326 --> 00:00:39,661 All right, give me the Mets tonight, two times. 14 00:00:39,694 --> 00:00:40,662 Okay. 15 00:00:40,695 --> 00:00:42,831 Bye. 16 00:00:42,864 --> 00:00:44,299 That was my bank. 17 00:00:44,333 --> 00:00:45,434 Your bank's not like my bank. 18 00:00:45,467 --> 00:00:47,502 Oh, you have no idea. 19 00:00:47,536 --> 00:00:48,370 So what do we got? 20 00:00:48,403 --> 00:00:51,640 Old guy took a noser from the 12th floor. 21 00:00:51,673 --> 00:00:52,774 Eliot has us out here 22 00:00:52,807 --> 00:00:54,276 because he's some big-shot doctor 23 00:00:54,309 --> 00:00:55,477 on the faculty at Algonquian. 24 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:57,479 What's his name? 25 00:00:57,512 --> 00:00:58,880 Uh, hold on. 26 00:00:58,913 --> 00:01:01,183 Lustig. Eugene Lustig. 27 00:01:01,216 --> 00:01:03,252 LUSTIG: "So while we will always 28 00:01:03,285 --> 00:01:05,420 "gaze ahead with wonder 29 00:01:05,454 --> 00:01:08,357 "at the great uncharted terrain of the future, 30 00:01:08,390 --> 00:01:10,425 "I believe it will soon be possible, 31 00:01:10,459 --> 00:01:12,761 "by unlocking the secrets of memory, 32 00:01:12,794 --> 00:01:15,664 "to turn our gaze behind us 33 00:01:15,697 --> 00:01:19,301 "and bathe in new sunlight 34 00:01:19,334 --> 00:01:22,137 the hidden landscapes of our past." 35 00:01:22,171 --> 00:01:23,305 Thank you. 36 00:01:25,874 --> 00:01:27,576 MAN: I'm so sorry, folks, 37 00:01:27,609 --> 00:01:29,578 Dr. Lustig has another engagement. 38 00:01:29,611 --> 00:01:30,379 Thank you so much for coming. 39 00:01:30,412 --> 00:01:31,713 LUSTIG: Bye-bye. Take care. Thanks. 40 00:01:31,746 --> 00:01:33,182 CARRIE: Dr. Lustig. Hi. 41 00:01:33,215 --> 00:01:34,583 I'm sorry, Dr. Lustig has a plane to catch. 42 00:01:34,616 --> 00:01:37,186 Dr. Lustig, I just need to talk to you for one minute. 43 00:01:37,219 --> 00:01:39,321 "Thank you for your kind words, Chancellor. 44 00:01:39,354 --> 00:01:41,256 "It's great to be back at my alma mater 45 00:01:41,290 --> 00:01:43,325 "under such a bluebird sky. 46 00:01:43,358 --> 00:01:44,559 "30 years ago, 47 00:01:44,593 --> 00:01:46,828 "when the late Professor Ed Hartung introduced me 48 00:01:46,861 --> 00:01:48,830 to the mysteries of the human memory..." 49 00:01:48,863 --> 00:01:51,433 This is the speech I gave at Cornell last week. 50 00:01:51,466 --> 00:01:53,335 It hasn't been published yet. 51 00:01:53,368 --> 00:01:54,836 Did someone give you a copy? 52 00:01:54,869 --> 00:01:56,705 No. 53 00:01:58,573 --> 00:02:01,276 I think I'll, uh, catch a later flight. 54 00:02:11,753 --> 00:02:13,455 Jo? 55 00:02:13,488 --> 00:02:14,856 Hi. 56 00:02:14,889 --> 00:02:16,591 I saw him speak at the Y. 57 00:02:16,625 --> 00:02:18,327 He was very impressive. 58 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,495 Yes, he was. 59 00:02:20,529 --> 00:02:21,930 WEBSTER: Came down 12 stories. 60 00:02:21,963 --> 00:02:23,632 Pushed, jumped 61 00:02:23,665 --> 00:02:25,734 or fell-- that is the question. 62 00:02:25,767 --> 00:02:26,968 In my opinion, 63 00:02:27,001 --> 00:02:29,371 his injuries are consistent with a high fall, 64 00:02:29,404 --> 00:02:30,839 but anything else, 65 00:02:30,872 --> 00:02:32,741 tomorrow will tell. 66 00:02:35,744 --> 00:02:38,547 Did they, um... did they see anything? 67 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:40,615 The landing, not the dismount. 68 00:02:41,616 --> 00:02:43,518 Al, I-I knew him. 69 00:02:44,553 --> 00:02:46,655 It was 2004. 70 00:02:46,688 --> 00:02:48,823 Year and a half after... 71 00:02:48,857 --> 00:02:51,660 I quit the force. 72 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:53,328 Quit you. 73 00:02:53,362 --> 00:02:54,496 I was a wreck. 74 00:02:54,529 --> 00:02:56,365 I mean, every, uh... 75 00:02:56,398 --> 00:02:58,267 every bad thing that had ever happened to me, 76 00:02:58,300 --> 00:02:59,901 every mistake I had ever made 77 00:02:59,934 --> 00:03:02,771 was running in my head on a loop. 78 00:03:02,804 --> 00:03:04,473 Like a swarm of bees. 79 00:03:06,475 --> 00:03:07,709 And then I heard about 80 00:03:07,742 --> 00:03:10,612 this neurologist, Eugene Lustig, and... 81 00:03:12,046 --> 00:03:14,683 So I tracked him down. 82 00:03:14,716 --> 00:03:16,685 I figured, you know, why not... 83 00:03:16,718 --> 00:03:19,554 donate my body to science before I was dead? 84 00:03:21,556 --> 00:03:23,692 Maybe in the process, I wouldn't crack up. 85 00:03:23,725 --> 00:03:27,429 Then I-I joined a research group, 86 00:03:27,462 --> 00:03:29,298 with five other people. 87 00:03:29,331 --> 00:03:30,599 The first of what became known as 88 00:03:30,632 --> 00:03:33,735 Highly Superior Autobiographical Memory. 89 00:03:33,768 --> 00:03:35,537 HSAM. 90 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:37,272 Were you still in touch with him? 91 00:03:37,306 --> 00:03:39,674 No, not for years. It's... 92 00:03:42,544 --> 00:03:46,448 Gene Lustig is the reason I didn't crack up. 93 00:03:51,453 --> 00:03:53,655 Not exactly lived-in. 94 00:03:53,688 --> 00:03:56,625 You'd expect a few books at least. 95 00:03:56,658 --> 00:03:57,859 Know if he was married? 96 00:03:57,892 --> 00:03:59,628 He was. 97 00:03:59,661 --> 00:04:00,829 Getting divorced, actually. 98 00:04:00,862 --> 00:04:02,431 I just talked to the neighbor. 99 00:04:02,464 --> 00:04:03,765 She said Lustig moved in a month ago 100 00:04:03,798 --> 00:04:04,866 after breaking up with his wife. 101 00:04:04,899 --> 00:04:06,435 Neighbor know him well? 102 00:04:06,468 --> 00:04:08,803 It occurred to me, but she says no. 103 00:04:08,837 --> 00:04:10,305 But she did say Lustig was having 104 00:04:10,339 --> 00:04:11,306 a bunch of health problems, 105 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:13,074 was down in the dumps lately. 106 00:04:13,107 --> 00:04:14,743 And judging by how clean this place is-- 107 00:04:14,776 --> 00:04:16,911 no sign of struggle or forced entry-- 108 00:04:16,945 --> 00:04:18,046 kind of makes you wonder. 109 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:19,814 What are you saying 110 00:04:22,617 --> 00:04:24,986 You find a suicide note? 111 00:04:25,019 --> 00:04:26,721 Any kind of drugs for depression? 112 00:04:26,755 --> 00:04:29,023 No, but, you know, still doesn't mean... 113 00:04:29,057 --> 00:04:30,559 Then I'm not buying it. 114 00:04:33,094 --> 00:04:35,597 AL: Railing's too high. 115 00:04:35,630 --> 00:04:38,066 We can cross off "accident." 116 00:04:44,506 --> 00:04:45,574 WEBSTER: ...came down 12 stories. 117 00:04:45,607 --> 00:04:47,542 Pushed, jumped or fell... 118 00:04:47,576 --> 00:04:49,778 There was a geranium right there. 119 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:50,645 There was a plant. 120 00:04:50,679 --> 00:04:51,880 How you got geranium, I don't know. 121 00:04:51,913 --> 00:04:54,082 Because I saw it down below. 122 00:04:54,115 --> 00:04:56,351 Bits of clay, dirt... 123 00:04:59,688 --> 00:05:03,658 Gene's attacker... 124 00:05:03,692 --> 00:05:06,561 rushes him and throws him over, 125 00:05:06,595 --> 00:05:07,929 but Gene grabs on to the railing. 126 00:05:07,962 --> 00:05:09,798 So in order to break his grip, 127 00:05:09,831 --> 00:05:11,866 the attacker picks up the first thing he can find, 128 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:13,535 and... smash. 129 00:05:13,568 --> 00:05:15,504 The flower pot goes over, too. 130 00:05:15,537 --> 00:05:17,806 We don't know the flower pot is connected to this, 131 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,708 we don't know how many people were involved, 132 00:05:19,741 --> 00:05:21,576 we don't know for sure he didn't jump. 133 00:05:21,610 --> 00:05:23,812 We'll get Webster on it, 134 00:05:23,845 --> 00:05:25,680 and CSU will take a look at the clay fragments. 135 00:05:25,714 --> 00:05:27,516 I knew Gene Lustig. 136 00:05:27,549 --> 00:05:29,384 He was one of the most positive, vibrant people 137 00:05:29,418 --> 00:05:30,619 I have ever met. 138 00:05:30,652 --> 00:05:31,920 He gave me hope when I had none, 139 00:05:31,953 --> 00:05:34,389 and that's not easy to do. 140 00:05:34,423 --> 00:05:37,759 He didn't commit suicide. 141 00:05:55,710 --> 00:05:57,045 Three fingers are broken, 142 00:05:57,078 --> 00:05:58,647 each between the first and second knuckle. 143 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,016 Also... 144 00:06:02,050 --> 00:06:06,788 I found topsoil in his scalp and under his shirt collar. 145 00:06:06,821 --> 00:06:10,492 Absent your flower pot theory, I came up with nothing. 146 00:06:10,525 --> 00:06:12,427 His neighbor said he had some kind of health problems. 147 00:06:12,461 --> 00:06:14,195 Did you find anything? Oh. 148 00:06:14,228 --> 00:06:16,064 Jumped right out at me. 149 00:06:16,097 --> 00:06:17,566 He had cancer. 150 00:06:17,599 --> 00:06:18,567 Cancer? 151 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,568 Mm-hmm. 152 00:06:19,601 --> 00:06:20,935 See those little white dots? 153 00:06:20,969 --> 00:06:22,471 Radioactive tubes. 154 00:06:22,504 --> 00:06:23,572 Brachytherapy. 155 00:06:23,605 --> 00:06:24,706 Prostate cancer. 156 00:06:24,739 --> 00:06:26,174 Exactly. Treated early, 157 00:06:26,207 --> 00:06:28,477 the success rate is... 158 00:06:28,510 --> 00:06:30,879 95% after 15 years. 159 00:06:30,912 --> 00:06:32,947 So then that would not be a reason 160 00:06:32,981 --> 00:06:34,783 for him to jump off a balcony. 161 00:06:34,816 --> 00:06:35,784 Right. 162 00:06:35,817 --> 00:06:37,886 Oh, Carrie, I'm so sorry. 163 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:39,521 Al told me you knew him. 164 00:06:39,554 --> 00:06:42,123 Were you his student? 165 00:06:42,156 --> 00:06:44,092 More like his object of study. 166 00:06:44,125 --> 00:06:47,529 I can't imagine you being a lab rat. 167 00:06:47,562 --> 00:06:48,497 I was difficult. 168 00:06:48,530 --> 00:06:50,765 I tried to chew through the bars on my cage. 169 00:06:52,033 --> 00:06:54,235 Look, I know I'm not the detective on this, 170 00:06:54,268 --> 00:06:55,203 but I'm with you. 171 00:06:55,236 --> 00:06:57,539 Your friend had help going over that balcony. 172 00:06:59,641 --> 00:07:01,510 Carrie! Oh. 173 00:07:01,543 --> 00:07:03,177 : Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. 174 00:07:03,211 --> 00:07:04,579 Hi. That's okay. 175 00:07:04,613 --> 00:07:05,780 May I call you Carrie? 176 00:07:05,814 --> 00:07:06,848 Yeah, sure, sure. 177 00:07:06,881 --> 00:07:07,916 Great. Come on. 178 00:07:07,949 --> 00:07:09,551 I want to tell you all about 179 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:11,886 this little study I've dreamed up. Okay. 180 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,489 No needles, no electrodes, I assure you. 181 00:07:14,523 --> 00:07:15,590 Oh, well, that's... that's a relief. 182 00:07:15,624 --> 00:07:19,093 Just simple questions to gauge the capacity 183 00:07:19,127 --> 00:07:20,929 of your marvelous mind. 184 00:07:20,962 --> 00:07:23,498 I don't know about "marvelous." 185 00:07:23,532 --> 00:07:25,266 Save the modesty for Terry Gross. 186 00:07:25,299 --> 00:07:27,168 This is science. 187 00:07:27,201 --> 00:07:29,904 Next week, I want to have you meet the others. 188 00:07:29,938 --> 00:07:31,072 Others? 189 00:07:31,105 --> 00:07:33,975 Yeah, the other study subjects. 190 00:07:34,008 --> 00:07:37,712 Oh, did you think you were alone? 191 00:07:45,954 --> 00:07:47,556 It's okay. 192 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:48,790 You can go. 193 00:07:48,823 --> 00:07:50,291 I'll take good care of him. 194 00:07:50,324 --> 00:07:51,760 Thanks, Jo. 195 00:07:56,665 --> 00:07:59,834 Nothing on the surveillance video from Lustig's building. 196 00:07:59,868 --> 00:08:02,170 The camera in the lobby shows him entering alone. 197 00:08:02,203 --> 00:08:04,105 No cameras at all in the basement or garage. 198 00:08:04,138 --> 00:08:05,774 Any prints off the flower pot? 199 00:08:05,807 --> 00:08:07,609 CSU has to reassemble it first. 200 00:08:07,642 --> 00:08:08,877 We're talking pellets. 201 00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:10,745 I wouldn't hold your breath. 202 00:08:10,779 --> 00:08:12,814 Well, it looks like the ex-wife's clean. 203 00:08:12,847 --> 00:08:14,683 Friends say the divorce was amicable, 204 00:08:14,716 --> 00:08:16,317 and she's been in Europe for five weeks. 205 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:17,251 So she's out of the picture. 206 00:08:17,285 --> 00:08:19,320 But I wouldn't come to you without something. 207 00:08:19,353 --> 00:08:22,557 Been digging around at the university. 208 00:08:22,591 --> 00:08:25,159 Meet Alwyn Pierce. 209 00:08:25,193 --> 00:08:27,095 Assistant Professor of Neurology at Algonquian. 210 00:08:27,128 --> 00:08:29,097 Former graduate student of our Dr. Lustig. 211 00:08:29,130 --> 00:08:30,565 Something of a protégé. 212 00:08:30,599 --> 00:08:32,333 Lustig had high hopes for this lady. 213 00:08:32,366 --> 00:08:33,668 Apparently she had high hopes, too, 214 00:08:33,702 --> 00:08:34,769 but they never panned out. 215 00:08:34,803 --> 00:08:36,971 According to some of the faculty members I spoke to, 216 00:08:37,005 --> 00:08:38,072 she was pretty difficult. 217 00:08:38,106 --> 00:08:40,041 Just last month, she was denied tenure. 218 00:08:40,074 --> 00:08:41,610 How'd she take it? 219 00:08:41,643 --> 00:08:42,677 Not good. 220 00:08:42,711 --> 00:08:44,679 It all blew up at a faculty meeting a week ago. 221 00:08:44,713 --> 00:08:46,347 She accused Lustig of rigging the vote. 222 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:48,116 Did she? She did. 223 00:08:48,149 --> 00:08:50,251 And according to folks at that meeting, she really went off. 224 00:08:50,284 --> 00:08:51,285 They had to call 225 00:08:51,319 --> 00:08:52,887 campus security. 226 00:08:56,257 --> 00:08:57,325 CARRIE: Alwyn? 227 00:08:57,358 --> 00:08:58,693 Alwyn Pierce? 228 00:09:00,862 --> 00:09:02,797 Carrie Wells. Yeah, we met years ago, 229 00:09:02,831 --> 00:09:04,666 in Gene's first HSAM study. 230 00:09:04,699 --> 00:09:06,334 Yes, I know. I remember. 231 00:09:06,367 --> 00:09:07,702 Lieutenant Al Burns. 232 00:09:07,736 --> 00:09:09,804 Of course. 233 00:09:09,838 --> 00:09:11,139 You're here because of Gene. 234 00:09:11,172 --> 00:09:13,141 You guys worked together for a long time. 235 00:09:13,174 --> 00:09:14,609 This must be hard for you. 236 00:09:14,643 --> 00:09:16,010 It is. 237 00:09:16,044 --> 00:09:17,111 AL: Though we understand 238 00:09:17,145 --> 00:09:18,680 you two had your differences lately. 239 00:09:18,713 --> 00:09:21,850 Perhaps, but professional squabbles 240 00:09:21,883 --> 00:09:24,118 seem irrelevant at times like these. 241 00:09:24,152 --> 00:09:25,954 CARRIE: As opposed to a week ago, 242 00:09:25,987 --> 00:09:27,021 when professional squabbles 243 00:09:27,055 --> 00:09:29,290 led to you being escorted from a faculty meeting 244 00:09:29,323 --> 00:09:30,992 by four security guards. 245 00:09:31,025 --> 00:09:34,062 I worked with Gene for ten years. 246 00:09:34,095 --> 00:09:36,130 And I felt I earned his support. 247 00:09:36,164 --> 00:09:38,032 Instead, he blackballed me. 248 00:09:38,066 --> 00:09:40,669 So draw your own conclusions about our "differences." 249 00:09:40,702 --> 00:09:42,070 Why would he blackball you? 250 00:09:42,103 --> 00:09:43,404 I have no idea. 251 00:09:43,437 --> 00:09:45,707 If he were alive, you could ask him yourself. 252 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:48,009 You know, we don't need to ask him. 253 00:09:48,042 --> 00:09:50,311 According to a transcript from the tenure committee, 254 00:09:50,344 --> 00:09:52,180 Gene thought your work displayed-- 255 00:09:52,213 --> 00:09:54,849 and I don't think I'm getting this wrong-- 256 00:09:54,883 --> 00:09:56,250 "a shoddy methodology 257 00:09:56,284 --> 00:09:57,786 bordering on fraudulent." 258 00:09:57,819 --> 00:09:59,420 Now, that... that had to hurt. 259 00:09:59,453 --> 00:10:01,823 That was a joke. 260 00:10:01,856 --> 00:10:03,725 Especially since his work 261 00:10:03,758 --> 00:10:04,726 was sloppy and mediocre. 262 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:06,394 I was a part of Gene's work. 263 00:10:06,427 --> 00:10:09,030 There was nothing mediocre or sloppy about it. 264 00:10:09,063 --> 00:10:12,066 Where you were between the hours of 6:00 and 7:00 this morning? 265 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:13,267 Wait a minute. 266 00:10:13,301 --> 00:10:14,869 I got denied tenure, 267 00:10:14,903 --> 00:10:16,037 and I blame Eugene Lustig, 268 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:17,706 but I sure as hell didn't kill him. 269 00:10:17,739 --> 00:10:20,041 You sure as hell didn't answer my question. 270 00:10:20,074 --> 00:10:23,311 I was asleep, in my bed, by myself. 271 00:10:23,344 --> 00:10:25,079 You need proof, talk to my cat. 272 00:10:25,113 --> 00:10:27,749 Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a class to teach. 273 00:10:29,784 --> 00:10:31,820 ELIOT: She make any physical threats? 274 00:10:31,853 --> 00:10:33,354 "I'll ruin your life. 275 00:10:33,387 --> 00:10:34,789 "You'll regret what you've done. 276 00:10:34,823 --> 00:10:35,924 You'll be sorry." That sort of thing. 277 00:10:35,957 --> 00:10:38,192 Sounds like my daily staff meeting at the mayor's office. 278 00:10:38,226 --> 00:10:39,728 Anything else? 279 00:10:39,761 --> 00:10:41,095 Well, we're trying to find something more concrete, 280 00:10:41,129 --> 00:10:43,464 see if we can work up a warrant to search her place. 281 00:10:43,497 --> 00:10:45,233 Please, Burns, with all deliberate speed? 282 00:10:45,266 --> 00:10:47,836 Algonquian University pumps $9 billion 283 00:10:47,869 --> 00:10:49,370 into this city's economy every year. 284 00:10:49,403 --> 00:10:51,906 I know, I thought it was a typo, too. It's not. 285 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:53,975 Having this on the front page of The Times 286 00:10:54,008 --> 00:10:56,210 irritates the mayor, who then irritates me. 287 00:10:56,244 --> 00:10:57,411 That's a lot of irritation. 288 00:10:57,445 --> 00:10:58,780 You need more on this woman, 289 00:10:58,813 --> 00:11:00,081 and you're not gonna find it here. 290 00:11:00,114 --> 00:11:02,150 Would it help to know that she's a thief? 291 00:11:02,183 --> 00:11:02,951 Check this out. 292 00:11:02,984 --> 00:11:05,854 I followed up with campus security. 293 00:11:05,887 --> 00:11:07,822 Got them to give me all the Neuro Lab 294 00:11:07,856 --> 00:11:08,957 surveillance footage since that faculty meeting 295 00:11:08,990 --> 00:11:09,891 where Alwyn went off. 296 00:11:09,924 --> 00:11:12,460 2:30 a.m., one day after the tenure meeting. 297 00:11:12,493 --> 00:11:13,427 Alwyn enters the lab, 298 00:11:13,461 --> 00:11:15,864 and she heads for a cabinet by Lustig's desk. 299 00:11:15,897 --> 00:11:17,365 She opens the cabinet. 300 00:11:20,769 --> 00:11:22,771 Right there. That box. 301 00:11:22,804 --> 00:11:24,739 Security say she was authorized to be there? 302 00:11:24,773 --> 00:11:26,174 Definitely not. 303 00:11:26,207 --> 00:11:28,509 That's trespassing. 304 00:11:28,542 --> 00:11:29,811 Forget the search warrant. 305 00:11:29,844 --> 00:11:31,813 Go pick her up. Right. 306 00:11:37,351 --> 00:11:41,255 Alwyn Pierce, I repeat, this is the NYPD. 307 00:11:48,396 --> 00:11:50,098 MURRAY: Alwyn Pierce? 308 00:11:50,131 --> 00:11:51,866 Alwyn? 309 00:12:01,943 --> 00:12:04,045 Well, we can rule out your garden-variety robbery. 310 00:12:04,078 --> 00:12:05,914 Money, credit cards, all here. 311 00:12:05,947 --> 00:12:07,916 No sign of forced entry, no struggle. 312 00:12:07,949 --> 00:12:09,250 She let them in. 313 00:12:09,283 --> 00:12:11,152 Yeah, that's how I read it, too. 314 00:12:11,185 --> 00:12:14,555 Her phone shows one 45-second call at 6:30. 315 00:12:14,588 --> 00:12:17,525 Traces back to a pay phone at a gas station in Brooklyn. 316 00:12:17,558 --> 00:12:20,061 We'll check for surveillance cams. 317 00:12:34,608 --> 00:12:36,144 Al? 318 00:12:39,981 --> 00:12:42,250 That's the box Alwyn took from Lustig's office. 319 00:12:42,283 --> 00:12:44,886 CARRIE: These are tapes from Gene's HSAM study-- 320 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:46,821 from my HSAM study. 321 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:51,125 December 3rd was a Friday. 322 00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:52,493 I got off early, so I went 323 00:12:52,526 --> 00:12:55,529 to a 4:30 show of Unbreakable. 324 00:12:55,563 --> 00:12:57,465 With a friend? Alone. 325 00:12:57,498 --> 00:12:59,100 It was at the Syracuse Odeon. 326 00:12:59,133 --> 00:13:00,101 Wow, it was cheap. 327 00:13:00,134 --> 00:13:01,302 It was four bucks. 328 00:13:01,335 --> 00:13:02,603 Any trailers? 329 00:13:02,636 --> 00:13:04,839 Previews. We call them trailers in New York. 330 00:13:04,873 --> 00:13:06,374 CARRIE: No, I know, I know what they are. 331 00:13:06,407 --> 00:13:07,541 You all right? 332 00:13:07,575 --> 00:13:09,310 Yeah. It's just weird, you know? 333 00:13:09,343 --> 00:13:11,112 One thing to remember something, 334 00:13:11,145 --> 00:13:15,583 it's another thing to actually see yourself. 335 00:13:15,616 --> 00:13:18,519 That girl doesn't exist anymore. 336 00:13:18,552 --> 00:13:20,354 Those were tough years, 337 00:13:20,388 --> 00:13:21,890 after Syracuse. 338 00:13:21,923 --> 00:13:24,325 Wish I'd been there to help. 339 00:13:24,358 --> 00:13:26,427 I had to learn to help myself. 340 00:13:28,196 --> 00:13:30,398 Okay, enough of this. 341 00:13:30,431 --> 00:13:33,034 What does it matter if I had blueberries on my oatmeal 342 00:13:33,067 --> 00:13:35,436 five years, two months, three weeks ago on a Friday? 343 00:13:35,469 --> 00:13:36,504 Come on, Carrie. 344 00:13:36,537 --> 00:13:37,505 And I didn't. 345 00:13:37,538 --> 00:13:38,506 I had bananas. 346 00:13:38,539 --> 00:13:40,041 Do you see, Gene? 347 00:13:40,074 --> 00:13:41,475 It's relentless! It doesn't stop! 348 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:44,612 Carrie, people like me, our experiences, 349 00:13:44,645 --> 00:13:47,381 all our little joys, just slip through our fingers. 350 00:13:47,415 --> 00:13:49,350 You get to hold on to them. 351 00:13:49,383 --> 00:13:50,518 You should celebrate that. 352 00:13:50,551 --> 00:13:52,586 I can't let them go! 353 00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:55,056 You keep telling me how wonderful it is 354 00:13:55,089 --> 00:13:57,191 that I remember everything. 355 00:13:57,225 --> 00:13:59,527 I can't... forget. 356 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:01,129 There's a difference. 357 00:14:03,131 --> 00:14:04,398 Sometimes you forget. 358 00:14:04,432 --> 00:14:06,300 Never! Once. 359 00:14:06,334 --> 00:14:08,202 Your sister, Rachel. 360 00:14:08,236 --> 00:14:10,504 Would it help you 361 00:14:10,538 --> 00:14:12,273 to know why? 362 00:14:14,075 --> 00:14:15,409 Yes. 363 00:14:15,443 --> 00:14:17,111 You're all struggling. 364 00:14:17,145 --> 00:14:18,246 You know Todd? 365 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:19,347 The loud guy. 366 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:23,952 He likes to scramble up big rocks without a rope. 367 00:14:23,985 --> 00:14:27,121 And beautiful, gentle Lena? 368 00:14:27,155 --> 00:14:28,422 She's seen Terms of Endearment, 369 00:14:28,456 --> 00:14:30,491 : like, 400 times. 370 00:14:30,524 --> 00:14:32,626 Cries her eyes out every single time. 371 00:14:32,660 --> 00:14:35,163 And you and Ruth, 372 00:14:35,196 --> 00:14:36,330 you like gambling, right? Okay. 373 00:14:36,364 --> 00:14:38,666 High stakes poker, blackjack? Yes. So? 374 00:14:38,699 --> 00:14:41,702 So, we don't know the science exactly yet, 375 00:14:41,735 --> 00:14:45,406 but under the influence of intense experience, 376 00:14:45,439 --> 00:14:47,708 the brain is flooded with adrenaline. 377 00:14:47,741 --> 00:14:51,079 That's a key building block of memory. 378 00:14:51,112 --> 00:14:53,547 Too much adrenaline... 379 00:14:53,581 --> 00:14:56,350 it erases memory. 380 00:14:56,384 --> 00:14:59,053 There's a name for it: psychogenic amnesia. 381 00:14:59,087 --> 00:15:01,055 Kind of like a memory hole? 382 00:15:01,089 --> 00:15:02,957 Exactly. 383 00:15:02,991 --> 00:15:05,226 Jumping off bridges on a bungee cord, 384 00:15:05,259 --> 00:15:10,064 betting the house on red 22... 385 00:15:10,098 --> 00:15:12,000 the death of a loved one... 386 00:15:14,402 --> 00:15:16,070 The most loved one. 387 00:15:21,309 --> 00:15:24,445 You memory guys are all risk takers, 388 00:15:24,478 --> 00:15:25,646 adrenaline junkies. 389 00:15:25,679 --> 00:15:29,083 The rush engenders 390 00:15:29,117 --> 00:15:32,086 a little benign forgetting. 391 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,488 So what you're saying... 392 00:15:34,522 --> 00:15:38,392 I'm saying you're okay, Carrie Wells. 393 00:15:38,426 --> 00:15:41,996 But listen, if in your leisure hours 394 00:15:42,030 --> 00:15:43,564 you're planning to play with fire, 395 00:15:43,597 --> 00:15:45,566 just do me a favor, huh? 396 00:15:47,568 --> 00:15:48,669 Don't get burned? 397 00:15:48,702 --> 00:15:50,371 Don't get caught. 398 00:15:56,177 --> 00:15:58,146 Hey, Carrie, 399 00:15:58,179 --> 00:16:00,648 you got any idea why 400 00:16:00,681 --> 00:16:03,384 Alwyn would have been tracking your old memory jocks? 401 00:16:03,417 --> 00:16:04,652 I followed up on 402 00:16:04,685 --> 00:16:05,619 all those phone records, 403 00:16:05,653 --> 00:16:08,256 and in the days after she stole the tapes, 404 00:16:08,289 --> 00:16:12,493 Alwyn contacted Todd Blasingame, Ruth Meaney and Dale Parsons. 405 00:16:12,526 --> 00:16:14,762 All participants in your study with Lustig, right? 406 00:16:14,795 --> 00:16:17,098 I don't know why she didn't call the other three. 407 00:16:17,131 --> 00:16:19,533 Well, Lena committed suicide a year after the memory study, 408 00:16:19,567 --> 00:16:22,036 Tomas moved to Korea to study 409 00:16:22,070 --> 00:16:23,337 being a Buddhist monk. 410 00:16:23,371 --> 00:16:24,338 Still leaves you. 411 00:16:24,372 --> 00:16:25,573 Maybe she did call. 412 00:16:25,606 --> 00:16:27,675 Your old number in Syracuse. 413 00:16:27,708 --> 00:16:29,143 By now, it would be assigned to someone else. 414 00:16:29,177 --> 00:16:30,578 The question is: why? 415 00:16:30,611 --> 00:16:32,113 Why did she call? 416 00:16:32,146 --> 00:16:34,582 We got to talk to them. 417 00:16:34,615 --> 00:16:35,583 Stay on those tapes. 418 00:16:35,616 --> 00:16:36,650 I got a feeling we find out 419 00:16:36,684 --> 00:16:38,619 what Alwyn was looking for, we find our killer. 420 00:16:40,354 --> 00:16:41,655 WOMAN: Hi. May I help you? 421 00:16:41,689 --> 00:16:44,192 Yeah, we're here to see Dale Parsons. 422 00:16:44,225 --> 00:16:46,160 WOMAN: Oh, he's actually busy with a client right now. 423 00:16:46,194 --> 00:16:47,361 With you in a sec, Carrie. 424 00:16:47,395 --> 00:16:49,463 Haven't seen this guy in nine years? 425 00:16:49,497 --> 00:16:52,400 That's why it's called "highly superior memory," Al. 426 00:16:52,433 --> 00:16:53,401 PARSONS: Sorry. 427 00:16:53,434 --> 00:16:54,568 Got a bear of an audit. 428 00:16:54,602 --> 00:16:56,470 Some clients, they just never learn. 429 00:16:56,504 --> 00:16:58,272 Carrie Wells. 430 00:16:58,306 --> 00:16:59,507 Love your new look. 431 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:01,242 So... unencumbered. 432 00:17:02,376 --> 00:17:03,344 Dale Parsons. 433 00:17:03,377 --> 00:17:04,645 Al Burns, NYPD. 434 00:17:04,678 --> 00:17:05,813 Ah, you're here about Alwyn. 435 00:17:06,747 --> 00:17:08,149 Gene, too. So sad. 436 00:17:08,182 --> 00:17:10,484 But I-I read that that was a suicide. 437 00:17:10,518 --> 00:17:12,386 Do you think that they're connected? 438 00:17:12,420 --> 00:17:14,722 You know, she called me last Monday. 439 00:17:14,755 --> 00:17:15,856 Really 440 00:17:15,889 --> 00:17:19,527 She tried to recruit me for some follow-up HSAM study. 441 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,695 Chance to make a name for herself, 442 00:17:21,729 --> 00:17:22,863 I suppose. 443 00:17:22,896 --> 00:17:24,765 She was always pretty ambitious, Alwyn. 444 00:17:24,798 --> 00:17:27,168 I mean, even as a grad student. 445 00:17:27,201 --> 00:17:29,670 Remember, Carrie, when she asked Lustig if she could sit in 446 00:17:29,703 --> 00:17:31,572 on Ruth Meaney's second interview? 447 00:17:31,605 --> 00:17:32,840 Yeah, how could I forget? 448 00:17:32,873 --> 00:17:33,874 January 19, 2004. 449 00:17:33,907 --> 00:17:35,409 It was Monday. 450 00:17:35,443 --> 00:17:36,544 Around 11:15. 451 00:17:36,577 --> 00:17:38,112 11:16. 452 00:17:38,146 --> 00:17:39,680 Fifteen. 453 00:17:39,713 --> 00:17:41,449 If you say so. 454 00:17:41,482 --> 00:17:42,683 I do. 455 00:17:42,716 --> 00:17:47,288 So, Alwyn... what'd you tell her? 456 00:17:47,321 --> 00:17:49,157 Well, I said, "Please, get back in a room 457 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:49,990 with those lemon heads?" 458 00:17:50,023 --> 00:17:51,292 Who you calling a lemon head, Dale? 459 00:17:51,325 --> 00:17:53,561 Who's got time, anyway? 460 00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:54,695 Did Professor Pierce talk about 461 00:17:54,728 --> 00:17:56,330 her relationship with Dr. Lustig? 462 00:17:56,364 --> 00:17:57,165 Not a word. 463 00:17:57,198 --> 00:17:59,300 She just said that she was trying 464 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:00,401 to update an earlier study. 465 00:18:00,434 --> 00:18:01,402 And like I said, I told her thanks, but no thanks. 466 00:18:01,435 --> 00:18:03,704 I'd say, "Call if you remember anything else," 467 00:18:03,737 --> 00:18:05,406 but I've learned there's no point. 468 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:08,476 It's good to see you again, Carrie, and a pleasure 469 00:18:08,509 --> 00:18:10,644 to meet you, Al, but I must say, 470 00:18:10,678 --> 00:18:12,646 you're not exactly as Carrie described you. 471 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,548 Mary, can you give me a hand with the Elderton? 472 00:18:14,582 --> 00:18:17,485 So how is it I came up in your memory study? 473 00:18:17,518 --> 00:18:19,520 Gene wanted us to deal with some memories 474 00:18:19,553 --> 00:18:20,854 accompanied by strong emotions. 475 00:18:20,888 --> 00:18:22,890 And how exactly did you describe me? 476 00:18:22,923 --> 00:18:25,559 Well, I'm not really sure. 477 00:18:25,593 --> 00:18:26,760 You don't remember? 478 00:18:26,794 --> 00:18:28,429 All right, fine. 479 00:18:28,462 --> 00:18:30,898 I may have given you... 480 00:18:30,931 --> 00:18:33,634 a lisp, a wandering eye and really bad dandruff. 481 00:18:33,667 --> 00:18:35,669 But we had broken up, and I was mad. 482 00:18:35,703 --> 00:18:38,272 Nice. 483 00:18:38,306 --> 00:18:39,840 Let's go, lemon head. 484 00:18:39,873 --> 00:18:41,842 Hey, Vita Club members, Todd Blasingame coming at you 485 00:18:41,875 --> 00:18:45,246 from beautiful, beautiful San Marco Key. 486 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,382 Now, did you know my limited production Memory Serum contains 487 00:18:48,416 --> 00:18:49,617 the fermented extracts 488 00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:52,553 of over 38 tropical fruits and berries? 489 00:18:52,586 --> 00:18:54,755 MAN: Cut! All right, guys, let's reset it back to one. 490 00:18:54,788 --> 00:18:56,424 Lauren, honey, I'm gonna need a touch-up. 491 00:18:56,457 --> 00:18:57,391 I'm sorry. 492 00:18:57,425 --> 00:18:59,393 So you were asking me about poor Alwyn Pierce. 493 00:18:59,427 --> 00:19:01,395 Yeah. Did you speak with her in the last week? 494 00:19:01,429 --> 00:19:03,597 No, but I saw her name on my call list. 495 00:19:03,631 --> 00:19:05,399 Hundred calls a day, can't return them all. 496 00:19:05,433 --> 00:19:07,568 Hmm. Any idea why she was calling? 497 00:19:07,601 --> 00:19:08,736 Thanks, hon. I'm good. 498 00:19:08,769 --> 00:19:10,538 Not a clue. 499 00:19:10,571 --> 00:19:12,573 Go ahead. 500 00:19:12,606 --> 00:19:14,775 Hit me. Hit you? 501 00:19:14,808 --> 00:19:15,809 Yeah, you know, with the question. 502 00:19:15,843 --> 00:19:18,212 You know, where was I the night of blah 503 00:19:18,246 --> 00:19:20,381 Okay. Monday morning, Tuesday night, 504 00:19:20,414 --> 00:19:21,582 where were you, Mr. Blasingame? 505 00:19:21,615 --> 00:19:23,351 Call me Todd. 506 00:19:23,384 --> 00:19:24,485 Norway. 507 00:19:24,518 --> 00:19:25,819 You were in Norway? 508 00:19:25,853 --> 00:19:27,655 Jus got back this morning. 509 00:19:27,688 --> 00:19:29,523 Have you ever heard of Trollveggen? 510 00:19:29,557 --> 00:19:30,824 3,600-foot 511 00:19:30,858 --> 00:19:32,493 vertical cliff. 512 00:19:32,526 --> 00:19:33,927 Outstanding! 513 00:19:33,961 --> 00:19:35,529 I BASE 514 00:19:35,563 --> 00:19:37,965 So when's the last time you saw Dr. Lustig? 515 00:19:37,998 --> 00:19:40,401 February 17, 2009. Tuesday. 516 00:19:40,434 --> 00:19:41,635 That was the day I settled 517 00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:43,571 that little nuisance lawsuit he cooked up. 518 00:19:43,604 --> 00:19:45,406 Hmm, he didn't want you using his name 519 00:19:45,439 --> 00:19:46,840 in promotion for your memory products. 520 00:19:46,874 --> 00:19:48,809 JAY: $500,000 in punitive 521 00:19:48,842 --> 00:19:51,312 and lawyer fees, Mr. Blasing... 522 00:19:51,345 --> 00:19:53,547 Sorry. Todd. 523 00:19:53,581 --> 00:19:54,982 Weren't you even a little upset? 524 00:19:56,917 --> 00:19:59,287 You see that? 525 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,921 And I'm not talking about the beauties. 526 00:20:00,954 --> 00:20:03,491 This uses your body's own energy 527 00:20:03,524 --> 00:20:05,493 to locate areas that are stressed. 528 00:20:05,526 --> 00:20:07,961 This little puppy has already made me three mil, 529 00:20:07,995 --> 00:20:09,897 and I haven't even shipped a one of 'em. 530 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:11,465 I don't think I'm upset at anyone. 531 00:20:11,499 --> 00:20:13,267 MAN: Okay, Todd, let's get another one. Thank you. 532 00:20:13,301 --> 00:20:15,669 You know, I am starting to understand why 533 00:20:15,703 --> 00:20:17,538 Carrie didn't stay in touch with these memory folks. 534 00:20:17,571 --> 00:20:19,607 Yeah, you hold on to everything long enough, 535 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,875 it's easy to forget anyone else is out there. 536 00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:24,512 From Mr. Blasingame, with his compliments. 537 00:20:28,081 --> 00:20:30,351 TV ANNOUNCER: And they're heading to the gates 538 00:20:30,384 --> 00:20:31,819 for race number six. 539 00:20:31,852 --> 00:20:33,020 Number three horse... 540 00:20:33,053 --> 00:20:35,623 Carrie Wells, as I live and drink. 541 00:20:35,656 --> 00:20:37,358 Ruth Meaney. 542 00:20:37,391 --> 00:20:40,561 ...number seven, Rosso Brew, with jockey Juan Marquez... 543 00:20:40,594 --> 00:20:44,432 Whatever happened to blackjack? 544 00:20:44,465 --> 00:20:45,666 Are you kidding? 545 00:20:45,699 --> 00:20:47,635 My picture's up in every casino 546 00:20:47,668 --> 00:20:48,769 all across the country. 547 00:20:48,802 --> 00:20:49,937 There they go. 548 00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:52,039 And it's Vital Jack down the inside... 549 00:20:52,072 --> 00:20:53,574 Who you got? 550 00:20:53,607 --> 00:20:55,476 Claire's Knee, number six. 551 00:20:55,509 --> 00:20:58,379 I got no memory edge for the ponies. 552 00:20:58,412 --> 00:21:01,715 And so what if he ran 2:11 in the mud 553 00:21:01,749 --> 00:21:03,584 a year ago Tuesday? 554 00:21:03,617 --> 00:21:05,386 Look at him now. 555 00:21:06,887 --> 00:21:10,724 With all the booze and dope I've sucked up, 556 00:21:10,758 --> 00:21:14,094 you'd think I'd be brain-dead. 557 00:21:14,127 --> 00:21:16,063 No such luck. 558 00:21:16,096 --> 00:21:18,666 Rosso Brew and Vital Jack are battling it out! 559 00:21:18,699 --> 00:21:20,434 And it is Vital Jack... 560 00:21:20,468 --> 00:21:21,535 Run, you schmuck. 561 00:21:26,574 --> 00:21:28,509 Did you hear about Alwyn? 562 00:21:29,577 --> 00:21:31,512 I'm afraid so, yeah. 563 00:21:31,545 --> 00:21:32,813 Come on. 564 00:21:32,846 --> 00:21:36,550 She claimed Lustig goosed the results 565 00:21:36,584 --> 00:21:38,419 of the memory tests. 566 00:21:38,452 --> 00:21:42,356 Oh, you know, try to make it all seem more impressive, 567 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:44,658 make a bigger splash, dazzle the world. 568 00:21:44,692 --> 00:21:46,694 He would never do that. 569 00:21:46,727 --> 00:21:47,761 He was a legitimate scientist. 570 00:21:47,795 --> 00:21:48,896 Well, you're telling me. 571 00:21:48,929 --> 00:21:52,800 But Alwyn had an axe to grind. 572 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:55,369 Now, she asked me 573 00:21:55,403 --> 00:21:58,972 if Lustig ever put me up to lying. 574 00:22:00,774 --> 00:22:02,843 Well, did he? 575 00:22:02,876 --> 00:22:05,045 Oh, come on, no! 576 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,715 Well, Alwyn thought he did. 577 00:22:07,748 --> 00:22:10,784 Well, that-that would be crazy. 578 00:22:10,818 --> 00:22:13,721 Of course it's crazy. 579 00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:16,624 But... I guess there was someone 580 00:22:16,657 --> 00:22:19,927 who told one big old whopper. 581 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,062 Someone in our group lied? 582 00:22:22,095 --> 00:22:23,464 Who? 583 00:22:23,497 --> 00:22:25,633 Alwyn wouldn't say. 584 00:22:25,666 --> 00:22:27,635 But, um... 585 00:22:27,668 --> 00:22:30,938 Well, it was that one group session we had 586 00:22:30,971 --> 00:22:33,140 is all I know. 587 00:22:33,173 --> 00:22:34,942 Thank you, Ruthie. 588 00:22:34,975 --> 00:22:38,712 You and me, Carrie, we could break the bank. 589 00:22:38,746 --> 00:22:41,081 : Ooh. 590 00:22:41,114 --> 00:22:42,716 Make a hell of a team. 591 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:45,085 Unstoppable, indestructible. 592 00:22:45,118 --> 00:22:46,119 Whoa. 593 00:22:46,153 --> 00:22:48,021 Carrie, what's up? 594 00:22:48,055 --> 00:22:50,691 We have to look at the group session. 595 00:22:50,724 --> 00:22:52,125 What group session? 596 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:54,795 There was only one: January 20, all six of us. 597 00:22:54,828 --> 00:22:56,630 Lustig wanted to see if we could influence 598 00:22:56,664 --> 00:22:57,865 each other's recollections. 599 00:22:57,898 --> 00:23:00,033 Uh, I'm not seeing it, Carrie. 600 00:23:00,067 --> 00:23:01,635 There's no tape for that day. 601 00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:02,936 Check again; there has to be. 602 00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:06,874 Nope. January 15, January 19, January 23. 603 00:23:06,907 --> 00:23:08,175 Okay, well, I know 604 00:23:08,208 --> 00:23:12,012 there was a session on the 20th, which means... 605 00:23:12,045 --> 00:23:13,847 someone stole that tape 606 00:23:13,881 --> 00:23:14,815 from Alwyn's apartment. 607 00:23:14,848 --> 00:23:16,884 What's so important about that one session? 608 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:20,120 Alwyn thought someone lied about a memory. 609 00:23:20,153 --> 00:23:24,492 Whatever is on that tape got her and Gene killed. 610 00:23:28,161 --> 00:23:29,563 Carrie, what's going on? 611 00:23:29,597 --> 00:23:30,931 Carrie? 612 00:23:36,236 --> 00:23:37,605 We got no witnesses from the street 613 00:23:37,638 --> 00:23:39,072 or surrounding buildings. 614 00:23:39,106 --> 00:23:41,642 We're looking for footage from secams, traffic cameras, 615 00:23:41,675 --> 00:23:43,243 anything that might have picked up the car. 616 00:23:43,276 --> 00:23:45,078 Thanks. Stay on it. Yeah. 617 00:23:45,112 --> 00:23:48,048 ELIOT: So, we know this group session was taped, 618 00:23:48,081 --> 00:23:50,183 but we don't know what's on it, and now it's gone? 619 00:23:50,217 --> 00:23:51,218 It's not gone. 620 00:23:51,251 --> 00:23:52,886 WEBSTER: Hold still, please. 621 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,523 My work is so much better when my patients aren't moving. 622 00:23:55,556 --> 00:23:58,225 We have a copy here. 623 00:23:58,258 --> 00:24:00,060 Yeah, we don't need the tape. 624 00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:02,195 I got it in my memory. 625 00:24:04,164 --> 00:24:05,599 What do you need? 626 00:24:05,633 --> 00:24:07,635 Uh, candles, uh, what, some music? 627 00:24:07,668 --> 00:24:09,537 No, no, we just... 628 00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:11,171 a stenographer and a pad of paper 629 00:24:11,204 --> 00:24:12,172 would be great. 630 00:24:12,205 --> 00:24:14,508 You know, it's not a massage, just remembering. 631 00:24:14,542 --> 00:24:16,744 Great. We'll set you up. 632 00:24:19,146 --> 00:24:23,250 It was the first time he put us all together-- 633 00:24:23,283 --> 00:24:24,251 the only time. 634 00:24:24,284 --> 00:24:25,786 He brought us 635 00:24:25,819 --> 00:24:30,157 all in a room, sat us in a circle. 636 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:32,660 All right, everyone, 637 00:24:32,693 --> 00:24:34,194 I am gonna ask about your memories... 638 00:24:34,227 --> 00:24:36,630 CARRIE: And asked us about memories from random days. 639 00:24:36,664 --> 00:24:39,600 Uh, the first one was January 17, 640 00:24:39,633 --> 00:24:40,701 1991. 641 00:24:40,734 --> 00:24:41,802 Tomas said, 642 00:24:41,835 --> 00:24:43,804 "That would've been a Thursday. 643 00:24:43,837 --> 00:24:46,073 I had a history test and a term paper." 644 00:24:46,106 --> 00:24:48,008 Todd interrupted. It was the start of Desert Storm. 645 00:24:48,041 --> 00:24:50,077 Right, I was going to say. And, uh... 646 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:52,145 "And I was sitting down to study, but my mom..." 647 00:24:52,179 --> 00:24:54,081 Then Gene asked about February 11, 648 00:24:54,114 --> 00:24:55,583 1999. 649 00:24:55,616 --> 00:24:56,984 First to Ruth. 650 00:24:57,017 --> 00:24:58,586 Right, of all days. 651 00:24:58,619 --> 00:24:59,787 Sorry? Ruth said, 652 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:01,088 "Well, just 'cause after getting killed 653 00:25:01,121 --> 00:25:02,990 on the Villanova game, which..." 654 00:25:03,023 --> 00:25:04,625 I mean, 111 to 85. 655 00:25:04,658 --> 00:25:05,959 Come on. "Come on." 656 00:25:05,993 --> 00:25:07,294 Are we talking basketball? 657 00:25:07,327 --> 00:25:08,996 "What do you think?" Ruth said. 658 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:10,731 Boomerang chucking? 659 00:25:10,764 --> 00:25:12,032 "Yes, basketball, you egghead." 660 00:25:12,065 --> 00:25:13,300 You egghead. 661 00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:15,636 Lena, "Wouldn't you know it, they were doing 662 00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:17,237 track work on the Rock Island Line..." 663 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:18,939 So I had to have Peggy drive me in. 664 00:25:18,972 --> 00:25:20,107 Peggy? 665 00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:21,274 That's my niece. 666 00:25:21,308 --> 00:25:23,243 Right away, she starts coughing. "She starts coughing. 667 00:25:23,276 --> 00:25:25,212 "So I said, 'Forget Marshall Field's. 668 00:25:25,245 --> 00:25:26,880 We're going straight to Dr. Rinaldi.'" 669 00:25:26,914 --> 00:25:28,315 "February 11, 1999, 670 00:25:28,348 --> 00:25:29,817 "we got a call about a break-in. 671 00:25:29,850 --> 00:25:31,785 "Little two-story colonial 672 00:25:31,819 --> 00:25:33,220 "with yellow trim down on Sterling and Coolidge. 673 00:25:33,253 --> 00:25:35,589 "Turns out it was a couple kids 674 00:25:35,623 --> 00:25:37,958 throwing rocks at the basement windows." 675 00:25:37,991 --> 00:25:39,660 Blasingame, "I mean, anybody could've told you 676 00:25:39,693 --> 00:25:41,294 the new year was gonna be soft." 677 00:25:41,328 --> 00:25:44,264 So, I turned a profit on Intel at the open at 63 1/8. 678 00:25:44,297 --> 00:25:45,332 "I rolled it over into..." 679 00:25:45,365 --> 00:25:47,100 ...June hogs. 680 00:25:47,134 --> 00:25:47,968 Then Gene asked about... 681 00:25:48,001 --> 00:25:49,870 March 6, 1997. 682 00:25:49,903 --> 00:25:51,972 Dale Parsons... A Thursday. 683 00:25:52,005 --> 00:25:53,741 "I'd just read an article how they're getting 684 00:25:53,774 --> 00:25:55,943 record prices at auction houses for art." 685 00:25:55,976 --> 00:25:59,713 $68.9 million for a van Gogh. 686 00:25:59,747 --> 00:26:01,014 How is that even possible? 687 00:26:01,048 --> 00:26:02,149 "It's just paint, people. 688 00:26:02,182 --> 00:26:04,251 "And since I happened to be two blocks from the Met, 689 00:26:04,284 --> 00:26:06,353 I go in that afternoon and ask, 'What's the most...'" 690 00:26:06,386 --> 00:26:08,088 "...expensive painting that you have in here?" 691 00:26:08,121 --> 00:26:09,690 Did you get an answer? 692 00:26:09,723 --> 00:26:11,091 A Vermeer. 693 00:26:11,124 --> 00:26:13,226 Uh, Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 694 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:15,228 "So I went and had a look at it, and you know what?" 695 00:26:15,262 --> 00:26:17,097 It's a young woman with a water pitcher. 696 00:26:17,130 --> 00:26:18,866 Tomas said... I love that painting. 697 00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:19,967 The Gene asked... Ruth? 698 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,401 I remembered to bring a sweater, 699 00:26:21,434 --> 00:26:22,703 because 1010 WINS... 700 00:26:22,736 --> 00:26:23,937 "...was saying a high of 40. 701 00:26:23,971 --> 00:26:24,838 What they didn't..." 702 00:26:24,872 --> 00:26:26,907 ...say, the sky was gonna crack open. 703 00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:29,710 It was Saturday, and I'd just gotten my first M3. 704 00:26:29,743 --> 00:26:31,278 "3.2 liter, 705 00:26:31,311 --> 00:26:33,313 "passion-red, beautiful. 706 00:26:33,346 --> 00:26:35,783 Got pinched for doing 48 in a 35 zone." 707 00:26:35,816 --> 00:26:37,951 Which I don't even consider that speeding. 708 00:26:37,985 --> 00:26:40,287 Gene said, "You're all amazing." You're all amazing. 709 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,355 Uh, there's pizza in the next room. 710 00:26:42,389 --> 00:26:43,791 For those who don't like... 711 00:26:43,824 --> 00:26:45,893 "...pepperoni, there's ham and pineapple. 712 00:26:45,926 --> 00:26:47,327 Save me a slice." 713 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,729 And... 714 00:26:48,762 --> 00:26:50,330 The end? 715 00:26:50,363 --> 00:26:52,933 The end. 716 00:26:56,469 --> 00:26:57,437 AL: Thank you. 717 00:26:57,470 --> 00:27:00,373 You okay? 718 00:27:00,407 --> 00:27:02,242 Tired, sad. 719 00:27:03,844 --> 00:27:05,846 You are amazing. 720 00:27:08,716 --> 00:27:11,051 JAY: I'm just saying, this is a ton of memories. 721 00:27:11,084 --> 00:27:12,152 Which, incredible job, by the way, Carrie, 722 00:27:12,185 --> 00:27:13,320 but if we're gonna verify each one, 723 00:27:13,353 --> 00:27:14,321 it's gonna take forever. 724 00:27:14,354 --> 00:27:15,455 AL: We know Lustig 725 00:27:15,488 --> 00:27:17,357 was able to do it. No, he wasn't. 726 00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:19,059 He did random spot-checks. 727 00:27:19,092 --> 00:27:21,328 Yeah, see, but then how did Alwyn do it? 728 00:27:21,361 --> 00:27:22,429 I mean, we're talking 729 00:27:22,462 --> 00:27:23,396 about random details 730 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:24,998 about track work on the Long Island Railroad 731 00:27:25,032 --> 00:27:26,199 in 1988. 732 00:27:26,233 --> 00:27:28,201 The price of lamb chops, 1996. 733 00:27:28,235 --> 00:27:29,269 Fourth race at Roosevelt, 1994. 734 00:27:29,302 --> 00:27:30,938 I don't know. 735 00:27:30,971 --> 00:27:34,174 Now, maybe if she was a fan of the trotters or something. 736 00:27:34,207 --> 00:27:35,442 Maybe she was. 737 00:27:35,475 --> 00:27:38,078 I mean, maybe Alwyn found an incorrect memory 738 00:27:38,111 --> 00:27:40,180 in no time at all because it happened to be 739 00:27:40,213 --> 00:27:42,015 in an area of her expertise. 740 00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:44,184 If it was something that jumped out at her... 741 00:27:44,217 --> 00:27:46,119 MURRAY: Money, credit cards, all here. 742 00:27:46,153 --> 00:27:48,155 No sign of forced entry, no struggle. 743 00:27:48,188 --> 00:27:50,357 She let them in. 744 00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:53,360 AL: Yeah, that's how I read it, too. 745 00:27:53,393 --> 00:27:54,561 Her phone shows one 45-second call... 746 00:27:54,594 --> 00:27:58,431 Traces back to a pay phone at a gas station in Brooklyn. 747 00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:02,402 She and Lustig may have been fighting, 748 00:28:02,435 --> 00:28:04,437 but she's got a ton of his books here. 749 00:28:06,373 --> 00:28:08,842 Art. 750 00:28:08,876 --> 00:28:10,277 Alwyn was an art lover. 751 00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:14,381 Books, museum posters-- they were all over her apartment. 752 00:28:14,414 --> 00:28:16,383 PARSONS: Since I happened to be two blocks 753 00:28:16,416 --> 00:28:18,518 from the Metropolitan Museum, I go in that afternoon. 754 00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:21,454 Vermeer, A Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 755 00:28:21,488 --> 00:28:25,893 Parson said he saw a Vermeer at the Metropolitan. 756 00:28:25,926 --> 00:28:27,127 Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 757 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,495 Maybe he got the museum wrong? 758 00:28:28,528 --> 00:28:29,797 JAY: No, that painting 759 00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:31,098 was at the Met. 760 00:28:31,131 --> 00:28:32,265 My cousin Angie works there. 761 00:28:32,299 --> 00:28:33,366 It's been in the collection for years. 762 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,068 All right, call her. 763 00:28:35,102 --> 00:28:36,469 My bet is he didn't see it 764 00:28:36,503 --> 00:28:38,405 when he said he did. March 6, 1997. 765 00:28:38,438 --> 00:28:40,540 Find out if the museum was closed, 766 00:28:40,573 --> 00:28:42,075 having a private event, something, 767 00:28:42,109 --> 00:28:43,076 anything. 768 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:44,311 Hey, Ange, it's me. 769 00:28:44,344 --> 00:28:45,445 You by a computer? 770 00:28:45,478 --> 00:28:47,047 What if Parsons just got it wrong? 771 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,481 People make mistakes. No one bats a thousand. 772 00:28:48,515 --> 00:28:49,549 Parsons does. 773 00:28:49,582 --> 00:28:51,852 He scored highest on all of the objective tests. 774 00:28:51,885 --> 00:28:52,986 He beat me. 775 00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,022 If he got it wrong, 776 00:28:55,055 --> 00:28:56,389 he's lying. 777 00:28:56,423 --> 00:28:57,891 You rock, Ange. Yep. 778 00:28:57,925 --> 00:28:59,159 March 6, 1997. 779 00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:01,962 Young Woman with a Water Pitcher 780 00:29:01,995 --> 00:29:03,797 was on loan to the Prado Museum in Madrid. 781 00:29:03,831 --> 00:29:05,032 No way Parsons could've seen it. 782 00:29:05,065 --> 00:29:06,233 He is lying. 783 00:29:06,266 --> 00:29:07,500 And whatever he did that day, 784 00:29:07,534 --> 00:29:08,468 he wants to keep it secret. 785 00:29:08,501 --> 00:29:10,437 He'll kill to keep it secret. 786 00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:11,538 Uh-huh. Jay, check the crime's database. 787 00:29:11,571 --> 00:29:14,007 March 6, 1997. 788 00:29:14,041 --> 00:29:15,308 Unsolved murders, anything. 789 00:29:15,342 --> 00:29:17,010 Okay, here we go. 790 00:29:17,044 --> 00:29:19,813 Let's look at the whole tristate area 791 00:29:19,847 --> 00:29:21,982 and unsolved murders. 792 00:29:22,015 --> 00:29:23,550 Widening the jurisdiction. Got it. 793 00:29:23,583 --> 00:29:26,586 Four unsolved murders March 6, 1997. 794 00:29:26,619 --> 00:29:28,555 Now, assuming for the moment that we're not looking 795 00:29:28,588 --> 00:29:31,124 at a gang-related homicide, that narrows it down to... 796 00:29:31,158 --> 00:29:33,927 Valerie Johnson, age 21, CUNY student, 797 00:29:33,961 --> 00:29:36,063 found dead in her car in Farmingdale. 798 00:29:36,096 --> 00:29:38,198 Strangled with clothesline. 799 00:29:42,135 --> 00:29:44,204 Thanks for meeting me, Dale. 800 00:29:44,237 --> 00:29:46,373 If anyone can help us with this thing, it's you. 801 00:29:46,406 --> 00:29:48,441 No problem. I got a client right around the corner, 802 00:29:48,475 --> 00:29:51,478 but I think I already told you everything that I know. 803 00:29:51,511 --> 00:29:53,613 Well, maybe I can learn more 804 00:29:53,646 --> 00:29:55,883 by picking that extraordinary brain of yours. 805 00:29:55,916 --> 00:29:59,286 Well, you will certainly learn something. 806 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,556 But probably not about what you want to know. 807 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:06,226 March 6, 1997. 808 00:30:06,259 --> 00:30:07,494 Thursday. 809 00:30:07,527 --> 00:30:08,295 Yes, it was. 810 00:30:08,328 --> 00:30:11,164 What were you doing that afternoon? 811 00:30:11,198 --> 00:30:13,366 Oh, God, you sound like Lustig. 812 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,002 I thought this was about Alwyn. 813 00:30:15,035 --> 00:30:17,537 Well, it is, indirectly. 814 00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:20,140 See, I know what I was doing that afternoon. 815 00:30:20,173 --> 00:30:23,543 I was buying socks and underwear at the Syracuse Dress Barn, 816 00:30:23,576 --> 00:30:27,580 which is not the most exciting or sexy thing in the world, 817 00:30:27,614 --> 00:30:29,049 but at least it's true. 818 00:30:29,082 --> 00:30:30,517 It's not like 819 00:30:30,550 --> 00:30:34,888 the Syracuse Dress Barn just moved to Madrid. 820 00:30:36,056 --> 00:30:38,058 I'm sorry, what was the question again? 821 00:30:38,091 --> 00:30:39,659 March 6, 1997. 822 00:30:39,692 --> 00:30:40,961 You told our group... I'm kidding. 823 00:30:40,994 --> 00:30:43,330 that you were at the Metropolitan... Oh, group session, boring. 824 00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,198 seeing a painting by Vermeer. 825 00:30:45,232 --> 00:30:48,001 No, I didn't. Yes, you did. 826 00:30:48,035 --> 00:30:49,970 Wow, is that what you remember? 827 00:30:50,003 --> 00:30:51,104 Uh-huh. 828 00:30:51,138 --> 00:30:52,539 Sorry. 829 00:30:52,572 --> 00:30:55,375 No, Carrie, on Thursday afternoon, March 6, 830 00:30:55,408 --> 00:30:59,079 I was at the 1:45 p.m. screening of Donnie Brasco 831 00:30:59,112 --> 00:31:00,147 at Lincoln Square Cinema. 832 00:31:00,180 --> 00:31:01,681 Afterwards, I had sushi at Lenge. 833 00:31:01,714 --> 00:31:03,183 By the time I was finished, 834 00:31:03,216 --> 00:31:04,952 I would've had exactly nine minutes 835 00:31:04,985 --> 00:31:07,287 to get across town to the Met before it closed. 836 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,989 So how could I have seen a Vermeer? 837 00:31:09,022 --> 00:31:11,124 P.S. I don't even like Vermeer. 838 00:31:11,158 --> 00:31:13,493 You said you saw the painting. 839 00:31:13,526 --> 00:31:16,029 It's your memory against mine. 840 00:31:16,063 --> 00:31:17,497 What about the tapes? 841 00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:18,999 Great, check the tape. 842 00:31:19,032 --> 00:31:20,267 You'll see that I am right. 843 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,436 I could always ask Todd, Ruthie. 844 00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:24,571 Sure, ask them. 845 00:31:24,604 --> 00:31:25,705 But why bother? 846 00:31:25,738 --> 00:31:28,108 You have the tape, don't you? 847 00:31:28,141 --> 00:31:30,310 Don't you? 848 00:31:33,646 --> 00:31:36,316 It's just you against me. 849 00:31:36,349 --> 00:31:38,018 I wouldn't take those odds, 850 00:31:38,051 --> 00:31:40,653 but you're the gambling gal, right? 851 00:31:44,391 --> 00:31:45,592 Are we done? 852 00:31:45,625 --> 00:31:47,360 One more thing, actually. 853 00:31:47,394 --> 00:31:49,662 A little picture for you. 854 00:31:51,999 --> 00:31:53,700 Valerie Johnson. Remember her? 855 00:31:53,733 --> 00:31:55,435 She was a client of yours. 856 00:31:55,468 --> 00:31:57,504 Indeed she was. 857 00:31:57,537 --> 00:31:58,571 I did her taxes for 1996. 858 00:31:58,605 --> 00:32:01,441 Adjusted gross, 859 00:32:01,474 --> 00:32:03,476 $21,380, total take-home, 860 00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:04,577 $25,300. 861 00:32:04,611 --> 00:32:07,047 She got a $408 refund. You ever take her home, Dale? 862 00:32:09,082 --> 00:32:12,319 I think I liked you better when you were miserable. 863 00:32:14,654 --> 00:32:16,289 AL: All right. 864 00:32:16,323 --> 00:32:18,558 Thank you. 865 00:32:18,591 --> 00:32:20,260 That was Murray. 866 00:32:20,293 --> 00:32:23,063 She found three more cases, same M.O. 867 00:32:23,096 --> 00:32:25,232 Young women strangled with clothesline. 868 00:32:25,265 --> 00:32:27,734 Poughkeepsie; Binghamton; Cherry Hill, New Jersey. 869 00:32:27,767 --> 00:32:30,003 Each murder corresponds with an audit 870 00:32:30,037 --> 00:32:32,172 Dale Parsons attended on behalf of clients. 871 00:32:32,205 --> 00:32:35,275 Valerie Johnson wasn't his only victim. 872 00:32:35,308 --> 00:32:37,310 He's a serial killer. 873 00:32:46,653 --> 00:32:48,188 I still don't get it. Parsons kills these women, 874 00:32:48,221 --> 00:32:49,656 doesn't leave a trace, 875 00:32:49,689 --> 00:32:51,424 but then makes up a bogus alibi, 876 00:32:51,458 --> 00:32:53,260 knowing Lustig could find out and challenge him? 877 00:32:53,293 --> 00:32:54,694 It was seven years later. 878 00:32:54,727 --> 00:32:56,696 Gene was picking random days. 879 00:32:56,729 --> 00:32:58,265 Dale wasn't expecting him to ask 880 00:32:58,298 --> 00:33:00,167 about that one day, so he panics, 881 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,768 and he lies. 882 00:33:01,801 --> 00:33:03,603 So based on IRS returns 883 00:33:03,636 --> 00:33:05,238 where Parsons signed on as the responsible accountant, 884 00:33:05,272 --> 00:33:06,673 we could be up to eight victims. 885 00:33:06,706 --> 00:33:08,208 Oh, my God. If he consulted, 886 00:33:08,241 --> 00:33:09,742 gave investment advice to other women, 887 00:33:09,776 --> 00:33:10,577 who knows how many he killed? 888 00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:12,512 What the hell are you drinking? Mm. 889 00:33:13,546 --> 00:33:14,814 Blasingame's memory juice. 890 00:33:14,847 --> 00:33:16,283 You know, I hate to admit it, 891 00:33:16,316 --> 00:33:17,517 but I think the guy's onto something. 892 00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:19,319 I read his book. He caught a rattlesnake 893 00:33:19,352 --> 00:33:20,820 with his bare hands in Death Valley. 894 00:33:20,853 --> 00:33:22,055 Guy's a total adrenaline junkie. 895 00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:24,291 LUSTIG: You memory guys 896 00:33:24,324 --> 00:33:26,159 are all risk takers. 897 00:33:26,193 --> 00:33:27,794 Adrenaline junkies. 898 00:33:27,827 --> 00:33:30,063 The rush engenders... 899 00:33:30,097 --> 00:33:32,232 a little benign forgetting. 900 00:33:32,265 --> 00:33:35,135 What time of day was Valerie Johnson murdered? 901 00:33:35,168 --> 00:33:36,736 It was morning sometime. 902 00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:39,406 She was on her way to school, so 8:00, 8:30. 903 00:33:39,439 --> 00:33:41,641 We've got to bring Dale Parsons in. 904 00:33:41,674 --> 00:33:43,410 We don't have enough to arrest him. 905 00:33:43,443 --> 00:33:44,744 Can't lock a guy up for lying. 906 00:33:44,777 --> 00:33:47,380 He wasn't lying. 907 00:33:53,786 --> 00:33:55,655 Hey, Dale. Hello. 908 00:33:55,688 --> 00:33:56,623 Thanks for coming in. 909 00:33:56,656 --> 00:33:59,226 Never been in an actual interrogation room. 910 00:33:59,259 --> 00:34:00,693 It's cozy. 911 00:34:00,727 --> 00:34:02,262 And an audience. 912 00:34:02,295 --> 00:34:03,530 Hello, people. 913 00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:05,832 So, what happens now? 914 00:34:05,865 --> 00:34:07,734 You break me? 915 00:34:07,767 --> 00:34:09,369 No. 916 00:34:09,402 --> 00:34:12,139 This is just a conversation, friendly conversation, Dale. 917 00:34:12,172 --> 00:34:13,340 So I won't need, say, a lawyer? 918 00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:15,342 Why would you need a lawyer? 919 00:34:15,375 --> 00:34:16,576 You're Dale Parsons. 920 00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:17,877 True. 921 00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:20,180 Okay, friendly conversation, then. 922 00:34:20,213 --> 00:34:22,249 Just, let's not play the day and date game. 923 00:34:22,282 --> 00:34:23,850 So does that mean I can't ask you 924 00:34:23,883 --> 00:34:25,818 about July 12, 1999, 925 00:34:25,852 --> 00:34:27,854 August 27, 2003, 926 00:34:27,887 --> 00:34:29,722 October 11, 2008... 927 00:34:29,756 --> 00:34:31,591 Which were a Monday, a Wednesday and a Saturday. 928 00:34:31,624 --> 00:34:32,892 Very nice. Right? 929 00:34:32,925 --> 00:34:33,793 Yes, they were. 930 00:34:33,826 --> 00:34:35,362 You're good. 931 00:34:35,395 --> 00:34:36,763 You know what happened on those days? 932 00:34:36,796 --> 00:34:39,366 You promised. 933 00:34:39,399 --> 00:34:40,800 Fine, why don't I tell you 934 00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:41,834 what happened on those days. 935 00:34:41,868 --> 00:34:45,372 July 12, 1999. 936 00:34:45,405 --> 00:34:47,440 Tina Davis, murdered. 937 00:34:47,474 --> 00:34:49,442 Strangled to death in her car. 938 00:34:49,476 --> 00:34:53,346 August 27, 2003. 939 00:34:53,380 --> 00:34:55,915 Lakshmi Patel, also murdered. 940 00:34:55,948 --> 00:34:58,585 October 11, 2008. 941 00:34:58,618 --> 00:34:59,752 Gloria Durning. 942 00:34:59,786 --> 00:35:00,853 Same M.O. 943 00:35:00,887 --> 00:35:03,290 All of these young women murdered. 944 00:35:03,323 --> 00:35:04,924 You know any of them? 945 00:35:04,957 --> 00:35:05,925 You're accusing me. 946 00:35:05,958 --> 00:35:07,194 No. 947 00:35:07,227 --> 00:35:08,661 No, I'm asking you. 948 00:35:08,695 --> 00:35:10,430 Now I do need a lawyer. You only need a lawyer 949 00:35:10,463 --> 00:35:11,764 if you've done something wrong. 950 00:35:11,798 --> 00:35:14,601 Besides, you're smarter than any lawyer I know. 951 00:35:16,803 --> 00:35:18,538 I don't know them. 952 00:35:19,672 --> 00:35:21,641 Don't remember them? 953 00:35:23,743 --> 00:35:24,877 Excuse me? 954 00:35:24,911 --> 00:35:26,579 Don't remember killing them? 955 00:35:29,749 --> 00:35:30,750 You know, 956 00:35:30,783 --> 00:35:34,254 despite his terrible jokes, Gene Lustig was one of 957 00:35:34,287 --> 00:35:35,755 the smartest men I ever met. 958 00:35:35,788 --> 00:35:38,391 And he said something to me once, and it helped me a lot. 959 00:35:38,425 --> 00:35:41,394 He said that people like us, 960 00:35:41,428 --> 00:35:43,396 sometimes we need a vacation. 961 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:45,565 You know, from all the stuff in our heads. 962 00:35:45,598 --> 00:35:46,499 You more than anyone, 963 00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:48,401 because you were always the best of us. 964 00:35:48,435 --> 00:35:49,936 You admit it. 965 00:35:50,903 --> 00:35:53,906 So you want to know what the secret is? 966 00:35:55,908 --> 00:35:57,877 Adrenaline. 967 00:35:59,879 --> 00:36:01,214 We crave it. 968 00:36:01,248 --> 00:36:03,583 But not for the rush, not for the high. 969 00:36:03,616 --> 00:36:04,751 That's for other people. 970 00:36:04,784 --> 00:36:08,321 We crave it for the rest it gives us. 971 00:36:08,355 --> 00:36:10,590 From ourselves. 972 00:36:13,493 --> 00:36:15,595 Where were you... 973 00:36:15,628 --> 00:36:17,597 the morning Gene was murdered? 974 00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:19,899 I was at home, asleep. 975 00:36:19,932 --> 00:36:21,734 Okay. What time did you wake up? 976 00:36:21,768 --> 00:36:22,902 6:45. It's my usual hour. 977 00:36:22,935 --> 00:36:24,704 It's when I take the dogs out. 978 00:36:24,737 --> 00:36:25,805 Oh. 979 00:36:25,838 --> 00:36:26,906 Anyone see you? 980 00:36:26,939 --> 00:36:28,975 I have no idea. 981 00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:33,780 Middle of a rainstorm: odd time to walk the dogs. 982 00:36:34,814 --> 00:36:36,349 They don't mind the rain. 983 00:36:36,383 --> 00:36:38,017 Thunder must have bothered them, no? 984 00:36:38,050 --> 00:36:42,289 It did, but hey, when you got to go, 985 00:36:42,322 --> 00:36:43,623 you got to go. Mm. 986 00:36:43,656 --> 00:36:45,958 Speaking of which, if we're done here... 987 00:36:45,992 --> 00:36:48,428 There was no storm the morning 988 00:36:48,461 --> 00:36:49,896 Gene Lustig was murdered. 989 00:36:49,929 --> 00:36:51,331 No rain. 990 00:36:51,364 --> 00:36:52,365 No thunder. 991 00:36:59,071 --> 00:37:02,041 I'll lay it out for you. 992 00:37:02,074 --> 00:37:04,043 See, I thought you lied 993 00:37:04,076 --> 00:37:06,279 about the Vermeer to cover up where you were 994 00:37:06,313 --> 00:37:07,614 when you killed Valerie Johnson. 995 00:37:07,647 --> 00:37:08,981 But she was murdered in the morning. 996 00:37:09,015 --> 00:37:11,284 And you said you were went to the Met in the afternoon, 997 00:37:11,318 --> 00:37:13,953 so I thought to myself... why lie? 998 00:37:13,986 --> 00:37:17,290 Why make up an alibi you don't need? 999 00:37:17,324 --> 00:37:20,960 But you weren't lying, were you? 1000 00:37:20,993 --> 00:37:21,994 You forgot. 1001 00:37:22,028 --> 00:37:24,564 Because when you murder people, 1002 00:37:24,597 --> 00:37:27,300 like these young women, you forget. 1003 00:37:27,334 --> 00:37:28,301 That's why you do it. 1004 00:37:28,335 --> 00:37:29,569 Not Gene and Alwyn. 1005 00:37:29,602 --> 00:37:31,003 You killed them to cover your tracks. 1006 00:37:31,037 --> 00:37:33,005 But I bet you don't remember 1007 00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:35,007 what happened afterwards, do you? 1008 00:37:35,041 --> 00:37:37,344 You have no idea what you're talking about. 1009 00:37:37,377 --> 00:37:38,511 Yes, I do. 1010 00:37:38,545 --> 00:37:41,514 You know I do. 1011 00:37:41,548 --> 00:37:45,685 The adrenaline unleashed by the act of violence 1012 00:37:45,718 --> 00:37:47,987 helps you to forget your painful life. 1013 00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:49,556 No, you're... you are wrong. 1014 00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:50,990 Which becomes more miserable 1015 00:37:51,023 --> 00:37:52,659 when you finally, inevitably, No. No, that is... 1016 00:37:52,692 --> 00:37:53,660 remember what you've done. 1017 00:37:53,693 --> 00:37:54,827 And then you kill again. 1018 00:37:54,861 --> 00:37:56,529 To forget, again. 1019 00:37:56,563 --> 00:37:58,531 You're an addict, Dale. 1020 00:38:00,633 --> 00:38:02,835 You're addicted to murder. 1021 00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:05,071 You don't understand. 1022 00:38:05,104 --> 00:38:08,074 Of course I understand. 1023 00:38:08,107 --> 00:38:10,309 I'm the only one who does. 1024 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,749 How long do you get? 1025 00:38:16,783 --> 00:38:18,751 A few minutes? 1026 00:38:18,785 --> 00:38:20,119 A few hours, a whole day? 1027 00:38:20,152 --> 00:38:21,354 How long? 1028 00:38:26,426 --> 00:38:28,361 Sometimes more than a day. 1029 00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:33,700 The first time... 1030 00:38:33,733 --> 00:38:36,836 it was a cat. 1031 00:38:36,869 --> 00:38:38,805 It was a stupid neighborhood cat, 1032 00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:40,973 and he kept howling and howling. 1033 00:38:41,007 --> 00:38:43,976 And when I put my fingers around its neck, 1034 00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:47,447 and I squeezed... 1035 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,650 it was like I was here... 1036 00:38:50,683 --> 00:38:54,020 for the first time. 1037 00:38:54,053 --> 00:38:55,922 Just here, now. 1038 00:38:55,955 --> 00:38:59,526 Not five minutes ago, not 20 minutes ago, 1039 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,461 not 20 years ago, 1040 00:39:01,494 --> 00:39:04,431 when my father did those things, 1041 00:39:04,464 --> 00:39:07,900 and when those boys did those things, 1042 00:39:07,934 --> 00:39:10,069 because I was different. 1043 00:39:10,102 --> 00:39:12,539 Because I was the one who was always telling them 1044 00:39:12,572 --> 00:39:15,708 that they were wrong, because they were always wrong. 1045 00:39:15,742 --> 00:39:17,410 They never remembered 1046 00:39:17,444 --> 00:39:20,079 anything. 1047 00:39:20,112 --> 00:39:23,416 And Valerie... 1048 00:39:27,454 --> 00:39:29,856 The last thing I remember 1049 00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:33,560 was the light fading from her eyes 1050 00:39:33,593 --> 00:39:37,163 like a torch down a well. 1051 00:39:37,196 --> 00:39:40,600 And then it was a miracle. 1052 00:39:40,633 --> 00:39:45,472 It was a whole, long, blissful day of peace. 1053 00:39:48,107 --> 00:39:50,109 At least I think it was. 1054 00:39:52,745 --> 00:39:54,747 I don't remember. 1055 00:39:58,618 --> 00:40:00,620 "Peace"? 1056 00:40:04,624 --> 00:40:06,092 I want you 1057 00:40:06,125 --> 00:40:09,829 to look at these women. 1058 00:40:09,862 --> 00:40:12,532 I want you to study their faces. 1059 00:40:15,702 --> 00:40:19,606 I want you... to remember them. 1060 00:40:22,208 --> 00:40:26,479 Because from now on, forgetting is not an option. 1061 00:40:45,264 --> 00:40:46,766 Nice work. 1062 00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:47,967 That was amazing. 1063 00:41:09,055 --> 00:41:10,923 There you are. 1064 00:41:10,957 --> 00:41:14,226 Carrie Wells, on behalf of the Memory Studies Group, 1065 00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:16,295 it gives me great pleasure 1066 00:41:16,328 --> 00:41:20,032 to present you with this check for $100 U.S. 1067 00:41:20,066 --> 00:41:22,101 Wow, Gene, $100. 1068 00:41:23,102 --> 00:41:26,939 Along with an infinite amount of gratitude 1069 00:41:26,973 --> 00:41:29,642 on behalf of... me. 1070 00:41:29,676 --> 00:41:31,711 You know, you can grow that money, 1071 00:41:31,744 --> 00:41:33,279 or you can just piddle it away. 1072 00:41:33,312 --> 00:41:35,181 Maybe I'll do both. 1073 00:41:35,214 --> 00:41:36,248 Yeah? 1074 00:41:36,282 --> 00:41:37,817 Let me guess. Texas hold 'em? 1075 00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:39,652 Blackjack, actually. 1076 00:41:39,686 --> 00:41:40,953 Scientifically sanctioned. 1077 00:41:40,987 --> 00:41:42,655 "A little benign forgetting." 1078 00:41:42,689 --> 00:41:44,657 Hmm. 1079 00:41:44,691 --> 00:41:46,092 What are you gonna do now? 1080 00:41:49,662 --> 00:41:51,631 Keep moving, I guess. 1081 00:41:51,664 --> 00:41:56,002 Just a word of advice from a new old friend? 1082 00:41:57,870 --> 00:41:59,672 The past has lessons for us, 1083 00:41:59,706 --> 00:42:01,340 but the present is where we live. 1084 00:42:01,373 --> 00:42:04,811 And nothing brings us into the present like a goal. 1085 00:42:04,844 --> 00:42:07,279 A task that uses 1086 00:42:07,313 --> 00:42:09,682 all your powers, including... 1087 00:42:12,184 --> 00:42:13,152 Hmm. 1088 00:42:13,185 --> 00:42:15,021 You said you were a cop. 1089 00:42:17,824 --> 00:42:19,191 It was too hard. 1090 00:42:19,225 --> 00:42:21,227 Okay. 1091 00:42:23,262 --> 00:42:26,065 But, Carrie, if anybody ever needed a mission, 1092 00:42:26,098 --> 00:42:27,634 it's you. 1093 00:42:27,667 --> 00:42:30,569 When you find one, let me know. 1094 00:42:35,675 --> 00:42:38,645 Gene? 1095 00:42:38,678 --> 00:42:40,813 Thank you. 1096 00:42:57,163 --> 00:42:58,665 I'm taking off. 1097 00:42:59,699 --> 00:43:02,001 Think I'll stick around. 1098 00:43:06,372 --> 00:43:10,342 Captioning sponsored by CBS 1099 00:43:10,376 --> 00:43:14,146 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org