1 00:00:05,106 --> 00:00:05,906 Time's running out. 2 00:00:05,939 --> 00:00:07,408 Ray Allen for three at the buzzer. 3 00:00:07,441 --> 00:00:08,576 Yes! Oh! 4 00:00:08,609 --> 00:00:10,044 Heat win by two. 5 00:00:10,078 --> 00:00:12,146 Carmelo with a running hook! 6 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:13,147 (bottle clatters) 7 00:00:13,181 --> 00:00:15,283 (loud crash) 8 00:00:20,688 --> 00:00:21,655 CARRIE: You're forgetting. 9 00:00:21,689 --> 00:00:22,823 I hit the Red Sox 10 00:00:22,856 --> 00:00:24,192 on Wednesday. 11 00:00:24,225 --> 00:00:26,260 Plus, I nailed that three-team parlay 12 00:00:26,294 --> 00:00:29,830 of the A's, Jays and the Reds on Friday, right? 13 00:00:29,863 --> 00:00:32,066 Which would put my new total at... 14 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:37,271 See, that is a very nice number, Zeke. 15 00:00:37,305 --> 00:00:39,640 All right, give me the Mets tonight, two times. 16 00:00:39,673 --> 00:00:40,641 Okay. 17 00:00:40,674 --> 00:00:42,810 Bye. 18 00:00:42,843 --> 00:00:44,278 That was my bank. 19 00:00:44,312 --> 00:00:45,413 Your bank's not like my bank. 20 00:00:45,446 --> 00:00:47,481 Oh, you have no idea. 21 00:00:47,515 --> 00:00:48,349 So what do we got? 22 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:51,619 Old guy took a noser from the 12th floor. 23 00:00:51,652 --> 00:00:52,753 Eliot has us out here 24 00:00:52,786 --> 00:00:54,255 because he's some big-shot doctor 25 00:00:54,288 --> 00:00:55,456 on the faculty at Algonquian. 26 00:00:55,489 --> 00:00:57,458 What's his name? 27 00:00:57,491 --> 00:00:58,859 Uh, hold on. 28 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:01,162 Lustig. Eugene Lustig. 29 00:01:01,195 --> 00:01:03,231 LUSTIG: "So while we will always 30 00:01:03,264 --> 00:01:05,399 "gaze ahead with wonder 31 00:01:05,433 --> 00:01:08,336 "at the great uncharted terrain of the future, 32 00:01:08,369 --> 00:01:10,404 "I believe it will soon be possible, 33 00:01:10,438 --> 00:01:12,740 "by unlocking the secrets of memory, 34 00:01:12,773 --> 00:01:15,643 "to turn our gaze behind us 35 00:01:15,676 --> 00:01:19,280 "and bathe in new sunlight 36 00:01:19,313 --> 00:01:22,116 the hidden landscapes of our past." 37 00:01:22,150 --> 00:01:23,284 Thank you. 38 00:01:25,853 --> 00:01:27,555 MAN: I'm so sorry, folks, 39 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:29,557 Dr. Lustig has another engagement. 40 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:30,358 Thank you so much for coming. 41 00:01:30,391 --> 00:01:31,692 LUSTIG: Bye-bye. Take care. Thanks. 42 00:01:31,725 --> 00:01:33,161 CARRIE: Dr. Lustig. Hi. 43 00:01:33,194 --> 00:01:34,562 I'm sorry, Dr. Lustig has a plane to catch. 44 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:37,165 Dr. Lustig, I just need to talk to you for one minute. 45 00:01:37,198 --> 00:01:39,300 "Thank you for your kind words, Chancellor. 46 00:01:39,333 --> 00:01:41,235 "It's great to be back at my alma mater 47 00:01:41,269 --> 00:01:43,304 "under such a bluebird sky. 48 00:01:43,337 --> 00:01:44,538 "30 years ago, 49 00:01:44,572 --> 00:01:46,807 "when the late Professor Ed Hartung introduced me 50 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,809 to the mysteries of the human memory..." 51 00:01:48,842 --> 00:01:51,412 This is the speech I gave at Cornell last week. 52 00:01:51,445 --> 00:01:53,314 It hasn't been published yet. 53 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:54,815 Did someone give you a copy? 54 00:01:54,848 --> 00:01:56,684 No. 55 00:01:58,552 --> 00:02:01,255 I think I'll, uh, catch a later flight. 56 00:02:11,732 --> 00:02:13,434 Jo? 57 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:14,835 Hi. 58 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:16,570 I saw him speak at the Y. 59 00:02:16,604 --> 00:02:18,306 He was very impressive. 60 00:02:18,339 --> 00:02:20,474 Yes, he was. 61 00:02:20,508 --> 00:02:21,909 WEBSTER: Came down 12 stories. 62 00:02:21,942 --> 00:02:23,611 Pushed, jumped 63 00:02:23,644 --> 00:02:25,713 or fell-- that is the question. 64 00:02:25,746 --> 00:02:26,947 In my opinion, 65 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:29,350 his injuries are consistent with a high fall, 66 00:02:29,383 --> 00:02:30,818 but anything else, 67 00:02:30,851 --> 00:02:32,720 tomorrow will tell. 68 00:02:35,723 --> 00:02:38,526 Did they, um... did they see anything? 69 00:02:38,559 --> 00:02:40,594 The landing, not the dismount. 70 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:43,497 Al, I-I knew him. 71 00:02:44,532 --> 00:02:46,634 It was 2004. 72 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,802 Year and a half after... 73 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:51,639 I quit the force. 74 00:02:51,672 --> 00:02:53,307 Quit you. 75 00:02:53,341 --> 00:02:54,475 I was a wreck. 76 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:56,344 I mean, every, uh... 77 00:02:56,377 --> 00:02:58,246 every bad thing that had ever happened to me, 78 00:02:58,279 --> 00:02:59,880 every mistake I had ever made 79 00:02:59,913 --> 00:03:02,750 was running in my head on a loop. 80 00:03:02,783 --> 00:03:04,452 Like a swarm of bees. 81 00:03:06,454 --> 00:03:07,688 And then I heard about 82 00:03:07,721 --> 00:03:10,591 this neurologist, Eugene Lustig, and... 83 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:14,662 So I tracked him down. 84 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:16,664 I figured, you know, why not... 85 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:19,533 donate my body to science before I was dead? 86 00:03:21,535 --> 00:03:23,671 Maybe in the process, I wouldn't crack up. 87 00:03:23,704 --> 00:03:27,408 Then I-I joined a research group, 88 00:03:27,441 --> 00:03:29,277 with five other people. 89 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:30,578 The first of what became known as 90 00:03:30,611 --> 00:03:33,714 Highly Superior Autobiographical Memory. 91 00:03:33,747 --> 00:03:35,516 HSAM. 92 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:37,251 Were you still in touch with him? 93 00:03:37,285 --> 00:03:39,653 No, not for years. It's... 94 00:03:42,523 --> 00:03:46,427 Gene Lustig is the reason I didn't crack up. 95 00:03:51,432 --> 00:03:53,634 Not exactly lived-in. 96 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:56,604 You'd expect a few books at least. 97 00:03:56,637 --> 00:03:57,838 Know if he was married? 98 00:03:57,871 --> 00:03:59,607 He was. 99 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,808 Getting divorced, actually. 100 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:02,410 I just talked to the neighbor. 101 00:04:02,443 --> 00:04:03,744 She said Lustig moved in a month ago 102 00:04:03,777 --> 00:04:04,845 after breaking up with his wife. 103 00:04:04,878 --> 00:04:06,414 Neighbor know him well? 104 00:04:06,447 --> 00:04:08,782 It occurred to me, but she says no. 105 00:04:08,816 --> 00:04:10,284 But she did say Lustig was having 106 00:04:10,318 --> 00:04:11,285 a bunch of health problems, 107 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:13,053 was down in the dumps lately. 108 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:14,722 And judging by how clean this place is-- 109 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:16,890 no sign of struggle or forced entry-- 110 00:04:16,924 --> 00:04:18,025 kind of makes you wonder. 111 00:04:18,058 --> 00:04:19,793 What are you saying? Suicide? 112 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:24,965 You find a suicide note? 113 00:04:24,998 --> 00:04:26,700 Any kind of drugs for depression? 114 00:04:26,734 --> 00:04:29,002 No, but, you know, still doesn't mean... 115 00:04:29,036 --> 00:04:30,538 Then I'm not buying it. 116 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:35,576 AL: Railing's too high. 117 00:04:35,609 --> 00:04:38,045 We can cross off "accident." 118 00:04:44,485 --> 00:04:45,553 WEBSTER: ...came down 12 stories. 119 00:04:45,586 --> 00:04:47,521 Pushed, jumped or fell... 120 00:04:47,555 --> 00:04:49,757 There was a geranium right there. 121 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:50,624 There was a plant. 122 00:04:50,658 --> 00:04:51,859 How you got geranium, I don't know. 123 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:54,061 Because I saw it down below. 124 00:04:54,094 --> 00:04:56,330 Bits of clay, dirt... 125 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:03,637 Gene's attacker... 126 00:05:03,671 --> 00:05:06,540 rushes him and throws him over, 127 00:05:06,574 --> 00:05:07,908 but Gene grabs on to the railing. 128 00:05:07,941 --> 00:05:09,777 So in order to break his grip, 129 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:11,845 the attacker picks up the first thing he can find, 130 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:13,514 and... smash. 131 00:05:13,547 --> 00:05:15,483 The flower pot goes over, too. 132 00:05:15,516 --> 00:05:17,785 We don't know the flower pot is connected to this, 133 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:19,687 we don't know how many people were involved, 134 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,555 we don't know for sure he didn't jump. 135 00:05:21,589 --> 00:05:23,791 We'll get Webster on it, 136 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:25,659 and CSU will take a look at the clay fragments. 137 00:05:25,693 --> 00:05:27,495 I knew Gene Lustig. 138 00:05:27,528 --> 00:05:29,363 He was one of the most positive, vibrant people 139 00:05:29,397 --> 00:05:30,598 I have ever met. 140 00:05:30,631 --> 00:05:31,899 He gave me hope when I had none, 141 00:05:31,932 --> 00:05:34,368 and that's not easy to do. 142 00:05:34,402 --> 00:05:37,738 He didn't commit suicide. 143 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,024 Three fingers are broken, 144 00:05:57,057 --> 00:05:58,626 each between the first and second knuckle. 145 00:05:58,659 --> 00:06:01,995 Also... 146 00:06:02,029 --> 00:06:06,767 I found topsoil in his scalp and under his shirt collar. 147 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,471 Absent your flower pot theory, I came up with nothing. 148 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:12,406 His neighbor said he had some kind of health problems. 149 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,174 Did you find anything? Oh. 150 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:16,043 Jumped right out at me. 151 00:06:16,076 --> 00:06:17,545 He had cancer. 152 00:06:17,578 --> 00:06:18,546 Cancer? 153 00:06:18,579 --> 00:06:19,547 Mm-hmm. 154 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:20,914 See those little white dots? 155 00:06:20,948 --> 00:06:22,450 Radioactive tubes. 156 00:06:22,483 --> 00:06:23,551 Brachytherapy. 157 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:24,685 Prostate cancer. 158 00:06:24,718 --> 00:06:26,153 Exactly. Treated early, 159 00:06:26,186 --> 00:06:28,456 the success rate is... 160 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:30,858 95% after 15 years. 161 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:32,926 So then that would not be a reason 162 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,762 for him to jump off a balcony. 163 00:06:34,795 --> 00:06:35,763 Right. 164 00:06:35,796 --> 00:06:37,865 Oh, Carrie, I'm so sorry. 165 00:06:37,898 --> 00:06:39,500 Al told me you knew him. 166 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:42,102 Were you his student? 167 00:06:42,135 --> 00:06:44,071 More like his object of study. 168 00:06:44,104 --> 00:06:47,508 I can't imagine you being a lab rat. 169 00:06:47,541 --> 00:06:48,476 I was difficult. 170 00:06:48,509 --> 00:06:50,744 I tried to chew through the bars on my cage. 171 00:06:50,778 --> 00:06:51,979 (laughs) 172 00:06:52,012 --> 00:06:54,214 Look, I know I'm not the detective on this, 173 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:55,182 but I'm with you. 174 00:06:55,215 --> 00:06:57,518 Your friend had help going over that balcony. 175 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:01,489 Carrie! Oh. 176 00:07:01,522 --> 00:07:03,156 (laughs): Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. 177 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:04,558 Hi. That's okay. 178 00:07:04,592 --> 00:07:05,759 May I call you Carrie? 179 00:07:05,793 --> 00:07:06,827 Yeah, sure, sure. 180 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:07,895 Great. Come on. 181 00:07:07,928 --> 00:07:09,530 I want to tell you all about 182 00:07:09,563 --> 00:07:11,865 this little study I've dreamed up. Okay. 183 00:07:11,899 --> 00:07:14,468 No needles, no electrodes, I assure you. 184 00:07:14,502 --> 00:07:15,569 Oh, well, that's... that's a relief. 185 00:07:15,603 --> 00:07:19,072 (chuckles) Just simple questions to gauge the capacity 186 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:20,908 of your marvelous mind. 187 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:23,477 I don't know about "marvelous." 188 00:07:23,511 --> 00:07:25,245 Save the modesty for Terry Gross. 189 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:27,147 This is science. 190 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,883 Next week, I want to have you meet the others. 191 00:07:29,917 --> 00:07:31,051 Others? 192 00:07:31,084 --> 00:07:33,954 Yeah, the other study subjects. 193 00:07:33,987 --> 00:07:37,691 Oh, did you think you were alone? 194 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:47,535 It's okay. 195 00:07:47,568 --> 00:07:48,769 You can go. 196 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,270 I'll take good care of him. 197 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:51,739 Thanks, Jo. 198 00:07:56,644 --> 00:07:59,813 Nothing on the surveillance video from Lustig's building. 199 00:07:59,847 --> 00:08:02,149 The camera in the lobby shows him entering alone. 200 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:04,084 No cameras at all in the basement or garage. 201 00:08:04,117 --> 00:08:05,753 Any prints off the flower pot? 202 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:07,588 CSU has to reassemble it first. 203 00:08:07,621 --> 00:08:08,856 We're talking pellets. 204 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:10,724 I wouldn't hold your breath. 205 00:08:10,758 --> 00:08:12,793 Well, it looks like the ex-wife's clean. 206 00:08:12,826 --> 00:08:14,662 Friends say the divorce was amicable, 207 00:08:14,695 --> 00:08:16,296 and she's been in Europe for five weeks. 208 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:17,230 So she's out of the picture. 209 00:08:17,264 --> 00:08:19,299 But I wouldn't come to you without something. 210 00:08:19,332 --> 00:08:22,536 Been digging around at the university. 211 00:08:22,570 --> 00:08:25,138 Meet Alwyn Pierce. 212 00:08:25,172 --> 00:08:27,074 Assistant Professor of Neurology at Algonquian. 213 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:29,076 Former graduate student of our Dr. Lustig. 214 00:08:29,109 --> 00:08:30,544 Something of a protégé. 215 00:08:30,578 --> 00:08:32,312 Lustig had high hopes for this lady. 216 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:33,647 Apparently she had high hopes, too, 217 00:08:33,681 --> 00:08:34,748 but they never panned out. 218 00:08:34,782 --> 00:08:36,950 According to some of the faculty members I spoke to, 219 00:08:36,984 --> 00:08:38,051 she was pretty difficult. 220 00:08:38,085 --> 00:08:40,020 Just last month, she was denied tenure. 221 00:08:40,053 --> 00:08:41,589 How'd she take it? 222 00:08:41,622 --> 00:08:42,656 Not good. 223 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:44,658 It all blew up at a faculty meeting a week ago. 224 00:08:44,692 --> 00:08:46,326 She accused Lustig of rigging the vote. 225 00:08:46,359 --> 00:08:48,095 Did she? She did. 226 00:08:48,128 --> 00:08:50,230 And according to folks at that meeting, she really went off. 227 00:08:50,263 --> 00:08:51,264 They had to call 228 00:08:51,298 --> 00:08:52,866 campus security. 229 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:56,203 (school bell ringing) 230 00:08:56,236 --> 00:08:57,304 CARRIE: Alwyn? 231 00:08:57,337 --> 00:08:58,672 Alwyn Pierce? 232 00:09:00,841 --> 00:09:02,776 Carrie Wells. Yeah, we met years ago, 233 00:09:02,810 --> 00:09:04,645 in Gene's first HSAM study. 234 00:09:04,678 --> 00:09:06,313 Yes, I know. I remember. 235 00:09:06,346 --> 00:09:07,681 Lieutenant Al Burns. 236 00:09:07,715 --> 00:09:09,783 Of course. 237 00:09:09,817 --> 00:09:11,118 You're here because of Gene. 238 00:09:11,151 --> 00:09:13,120 You guys worked together for a long time. 239 00:09:13,153 --> 00:09:14,588 This must be hard for you. 240 00:09:14,622 --> 00:09:15,989 It is. 241 00:09:16,023 --> 00:09:17,090 AL: Though we understand 242 00:09:17,124 --> 00:09:18,659 you two had your differences lately. 243 00:09:18,692 --> 00:09:21,829 Perhaps, but professional squabbles 244 00:09:21,862 --> 00:09:24,097 seem irrelevant at times like these. 245 00:09:24,131 --> 00:09:25,933 CARRIE: As opposed to a week ago, 246 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:27,000 when professional squabbles 247 00:09:27,034 --> 00:09:29,269 led to you being escorted from a faculty meeting 248 00:09:29,302 --> 00:09:30,971 by four security guards. 249 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:34,041 I worked with Gene for ten years. 250 00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:36,109 And I felt I earned his support. 251 00:09:36,143 --> 00:09:38,011 Instead, he blackballed me. 252 00:09:38,045 --> 00:09:40,648 So draw your own conclusions about our "differences." 253 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:42,049 Why would he blackball you? 254 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:43,383 I have no idea. 255 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:45,686 If he were alive, you could ask him yourself. 256 00:09:45,719 --> 00:09:47,988 You know, we don't need to ask him. 257 00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:50,290 According to a transcript from the tenure committee, 258 00:09:50,323 --> 00:09:52,159 Gene thought your work displayed-- 259 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:54,828 and I don't think I'm getting this wrong-- 260 00:09:54,862 --> 00:09:56,229 "a shoddy methodology 261 00:09:56,263 --> 00:09:57,765 bordering on fraudulent." 262 00:09:57,798 --> 00:09:59,399 Now, that... that had to hurt. 263 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:01,802 That was a joke. 264 00:10:01,835 --> 00:10:03,704 Especially since his work 265 00:10:03,737 --> 00:10:04,705 was sloppy and mediocre. 266 00:10:04,738 --> 00:10:06,373 I was a part of Gene's work. 267 00:10:06,406 --> 00:10:09,009 There was nothing mediocre or sloppy about it. 268 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:12,045 Where you were between the hours of 6:00 and 7:00 this morning? 269 00:10:12,079 --> 00:10:13,246 Wait a minute. 270 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,848 I got denied tenure, 271 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:16,016 and I blame Eugene Lustig, 272 00:10:16,049 --> 00:10:17,685 but I sure as hell didn't kill him. 273 00:10:17,718 --> 00:10:20,020 You sure as hell didn't answer my question. 274 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:23,290 I was asleep, in my bed, by myself. 275 00:10:23,323 --> 00:10:25,058 You need proof, talk to my cat. 276 00:10:25,092 --> 00:10:27,728 Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a class to teach. 277 00:10:29,763 --> 00:10:31,799 ELIOT: She make any physical threats? 278 00:10:31,832 --> 00:10:33,333 "I'll ruin your life. 279 00:10:33,366 --> 00:10:34,768 "You'll regret what you've done. 280 00:10:34,802 --> 00:10:35,903 You'll be sorry." That sort of thing. 281 00:10:35,936 --> 00:10:38,171 Sounds like my daily staff meeting at the mayor's office. 282 00:10:38,205 --> 00:10:39,707 Anything else? 283 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:41,074 Well, we're trying to find something more concrete, 284 00:10:41,108 --> 00:10:43,443 see if we can work up a warrant to search her place. 285 00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:45,212 Please, Burns, with all deliberate speed? 286 00:10:45,245 --> 00:10:47,815 Algonquian University pumps $9 billion 287 00:10:47,848 --> 00:10:49,349 into this city's economy every year. 288 00:10:49,382 --> 00:10:51,885 I know, I thought it was a typo, too. It's not. 289 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:53,954 Having this on the front page of The Times 290 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:56,189 irritates the mayor, who then irritates me. 291 00:10:56,223 --> 00:10:57,390 That's a lot of irritation. 292 00:10:57,424 --> 00:10:58,759 You need more on this woman, 293 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:00,060 and you're not gonna find it here. 294 00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:02,129 Would it help to know that she's a thief? 295 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:02,930 Check this out. 296 00:11:02,963 --> 00:11:05,833 I followed up with campus security. 297 00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:07,801 Got them to give me all the Neuro Lab 298 00:11:07,835 --> 00:11:08,936 surveillance footage since that faculty meeting 299 00:11:08,969 --> 00:11:09,870 where Alwyn went off. 300 00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:12,439 2:30 a.m., one day after the tenure meeting. 301 00:11:12,472 --> 00:11:13,406 Alwyn enters the lab, 302 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,843 and she heads for a cabinet by Lustig's desk. 303 00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:17,344 She opens the cabinet. 304 00:11:20,748 --> 00:11:22,750 Right there. That box. 305 00:11:22,783 --> 00:11:24,718 Security say she was authorized to be there? 306 00:11:24,752 --> 00:11:26,153 Definitely not. 307 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,488 That's trespassing. 308 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:29,790 Forget the search warrant. 309 00:11:29,823 --> 00:11:31,792 Go pick her up. Right. 310 00:11:35,362 --> 00:11:37,297 (knocking) 311 00:11:37,330 --> 00:11:41,234 Alwyn Pierce, I repeat, this is the NYPD. 312 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:50,077 MURRAY: Alwyn Pierce? 313 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:51,845 Alwyn? 314 00:12:01,922 --> 00:12:04,024 Well, we can rule out your garden-variety robbery. 315 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:05,893 Money, credit cards, all here. 316 00:12:05,926 --> 00:12:07,895 No sign of forced entry, no struggle. 317 00:12:07,928 --> 00:12:09,229 She let them in. 318 00:12:09,262 --> 00:12:11,131 Yeah, that's how I read it, too. 319 00:12:11,164 --> 00:12:14,534 Her phone shows one 45-second call at 6:30. 320 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,504 Traces back to a pay phone at a gas station in Brooklyn. 321 00:12:17,537 --> 00:12:20,040 We'll check for surveillance cams. 322 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,123 Al? 323 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,229 That's the box Alwyn took from Lustig's office. 324 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:44,865 CARRIE: These are tapes from Gene's HSAM study-- 325 00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:46,800 from my HSAM study. 326 00:12:49,569 --> 00:12:51,104 December 3rd was a Friday. 327 00:12:51,138 --> 00:12:52,472 I got off early, so I went 328 00:12:52,505 --> 00:12:55,508 to a 4:30 show of Unbreakable. 329 00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:57,444 With a friend? Alone. 330 00:12:57,477 --> 00:12:59,079 It was at the Syracuse Odeon. 331 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:00,080 Wow, it was cheap. 332 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:01,281 It was four bucks. 333 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:02,582 Any trailers? 334 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:04,818 Previews. We call them trailers in New York. 335 00:13:04,852 --> 00:13:06,353 CARRIE: No, I know, I know what they are. 336 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:07,520 You all right? 337 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:09,289 Yeah. It's just weird, you know? 338 00:13:09,322 --> 00:13:11,091 One thing to remember something, 339 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:15,562 it's another thing to actually see yourself. 340 00:13:15,595 --> 00:13:18,498 That girl doesn't exist anymore. 341 00:13:18,531 --> 00:13:20,333 Those were tough years, 342 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:21,869 after Syracuse. 343 00:13:21,902 --> 00:13:24,304 Wish I'd been there to help. 344 00:13:24,337 --> 00:13:26,406 I had to learn to help myself. 345 00:13:28,175 --> 00:13:30,377 Okay, enough of this. 346 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:33,013 What does it matter if I had blueberries on my oatmeal 347 00:13:33,046 --> 00:13:35,415 five years, two months, three weeks ago on a Friday? 348 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:36,483 Come on, Carrie. 349 00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:37,484 And I didn't. 350 00:13:37,517 --> 00:13:38,485 I had bananas. 351 00:13:38,518 --> 00:13:40,020 Do you see, Gene? 352 00:13:40,053 --> 00:13:41,454 It's relentless! It doesn't stop! 353 00:13:41,488 --> 00:13:44,591 Carrie, people like me, our experiences, 354 00:13:44,624 --> 00:13:47,360 all our little joys, just slip through our fingers. 355 00:13:47,394 --> 00:13:49,329 You get to hold on to them. 356 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:50,497 You should celebrate that. 357 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:52,565 I can't let them go! 358 00:13:52,599 --> 00:13:55,035 You keep telling me how wonderful it is 359 00:13:55,068 --> 00:13:57,170 that I remember everything. 360 00:13:57,204 --> 00:13:59,506 I can't... forget. 361 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:01,108 There's a difference. 362 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:04,377 Sometimes you forget. 363 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:06,279 Never! Once. 364 00:14:06,313 --> 00:14:08,181 Your sister, Rachel. 365 00:14:08,215 --> 00:14:10,483 Would it help you 366 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:12,252 to know why? 367 00:14:14,054 --> 00:14:15,388 Yes. 368 00:14:15,422 --> 00:14:17,090 You're all struggling. 369 00:14:17,124 --> 00:14:18,225 You know Todd? 370 00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:19,326 The loud guy. 371 00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:23,931 He likes to scramble up big rocks without a rope. 372 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:27,100 And beautiful, gentle Lena? 373 00:14:27,134 --> 00:14:28,401 She's seen Terms of Endearment, 374 00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:30,470 (chuckles): like, 400 times. 375 00:14:30,503 --> 00:14:32,605 Cries her eyes out every single time. 376 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:35,142 And you and Ruth, 377 00:14:35,175 --> 00:14:36,309 you like gambling, right? Okay. 378 00:14:36,343 --> 00:14:38,645 High stakes poker, blackjack? Yes. So? 379 00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:41,681 So, we don't know the science exactly yet, 380 00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:45,385 but under the influence of intense experience, 381 00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:47,687 the brain is flooded with adrenaline. 382 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,058 That's a key building block of memory. 383 00:14:51,091 --> 00:14:53,526 Too much adrenaline... 384 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,329 it erases memory. 385 00:14:56,363 --> 00:14:59,032 There's a name for it: psychogenic amnesia. 386 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:01,034 Kind of like a memory hole? 387 00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:02,936 Exactly. 388 00:15:02,970 --> 00:15:05,205 Jumping off bridges on a bungee cord, 389 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:10,043 betting the house on red 22... 390 00:15:10,077 --> 00:15:11,979 the death of a loved one... 391 00:15:14,381 --> 00:15:16,049 The most loved one. 392 00:15:21,288 --> 00:15:24,424 You memory guys are all risk takers, 393 00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:25,625 adrenaline junkies. 394 00:15:25,658 --> 00:15:29,062 The rush engenders 395 00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:32,065 a little benign forgetting. 396 00:15:32,099 --> 00:15:34,467 So what you're saying... 397 00:15:34,501 --> 00:15:38,371 I'm saying you're okay, Carrie Wells. 398 00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:41,975 But listen, if in your leisure hours 399 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:43,543 you're planning to play with fire, 400 00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:45,545 just do me a favor, huh? 401 00:15:47,547 --> 00:15:48,648 Don't get burned? 402 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:50,350 Don't get caught. 403 00:15:50,383 --> 00:15:51,651 (laughs) 404 00:15:56,156 --> 00:15:58,125 Hey, Carrie, 405 00:15:58,158 --> 00:16:00,627 you got any idea why 406 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:03,363 Alwyn would have been tracking your old memory jocks? 407 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:04,631 I followed up on 408 00:16:04,664 --> 00:16:05,598 all those phone records, 409 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:08,235 and in the days after she stole the tapes, 410 00:16:08,268 --> 00:16:12,472 Alwyn contacted Todd Blasingame, Ruth Meaney and Dale Parsons. 411 00:16:12,505 --> 00:16:14,741 All participants in your study with Lustig, right? 412 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:17,077 I don't know why she didn't call the other three. 413 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,512 Well, Lena committed suicide a year after the memory study, 414 00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:22,015 Tomas moved to Korea to study 415 00:16:22,049 --> 00:16:23,316 being a Buddhist monk. 416 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:24,317 Still leaves you. 417 00:16:24,351 --> 00:16:25,552 Maybe she did call. 418 00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:27,654 Your old number in Syracuse. 419 00:16:27,687 --> 00:16:29,122 By now, it would be assigned to someone else. 420 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:30,557 The question is: why? 421 00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:32,092 Why did she call? 422 00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:34,561 We got to talk to them. 423 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:35,562 Stay on those tapes. 424 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:36,629 I got a feeling we find out 425 00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:38,598 what Alwyn was looking for, we find our killer. 426 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:41,634 WOMAN: Hi. May I help you? 427 00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:44,171 Yeah, we're here to see Dale Parsons. 428 00:16:44,204 --> 00:16:46,139 WOMAN: Oh, he's actually busy with a client right now. 429 00:16:46,173 --> 00:16:47,340 With you in a sec, Carrie. 430 00:16:47,374 --> 00:16:49,442 Haven't seen this guy in nine years? 431 00:16:49,476 --> 00:16:52,379 That's why it's called "highly superior memory," Al. 432 00:16:52,412 --> 00:16:53,380 PARSONS: Sorry. 433 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:54,547 Got a bear of an audit. 434 00:16:54,581 --> 00:16:56,449 Some clients, they just never learn. 435 00:16:56,483 --> 00:16:58,251 Carrie Wells. 436 00:16:58,285 --> 00:16:59,486 Love your new look. 437 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,221 So... unencumbered. 438 00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:03,323 Dale Parsons. 439 00:17:03,356 --> 00:17:04,624 Al Burns, NYPD. 440 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:05,792 Ah, you're here about Alwyn. 441 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,128 Gene, too. So sad. 442 00:17:08,161 --> 00:17:10,463 But I-I read that that was a suicide. 443 00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:12,365 Do you think that they're connected? 444 00:17:12,399 --> 00:17:14,701 You know, she called me last Monday. 445 00:17:14,734 --> 00:17:15,835 Really? What did she want? 446 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:19,506 She tried to recruit me for some follow-up HSAM study. 447 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,674 Chance to make a name for herself, 448 00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:22,842 I suppose. 449 00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,744 She was always pretty ambitious, Alwyn. 450 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:27,147 I mean, even as a grad student. 451 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:29,649 Remember, Carrie, when she asked Lustig if she could sit in 452 00:17:29,682 --> 00:17:31,551 on Ruth Meaney's second interview? 453 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:32,819 Yeah, how could I forget? 454 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:33,853 January 19, 2004. 455 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:35,388 It was Monday. 456 00:17:35,422 --> 00:17:36,523 Around 11:15. 457 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:38,091 11:16. 458 00:17:38,125 --> 00:17:39,659 Fifteen. 459 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,428 (clears throat) If you say so. 460 00:17:41,461 --> 00:17:42,662 I do. 461 00:17:42,695 --> 00:17:47,267 So, Alwyn... what'd you tell her? 462 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,136 Well, I said, "Please, get back in a room 463 00:17:49,169 --> 00:17:49,969 with those lemon heads?" 464 00:17:50,002 --> 00:17:51,271 Who you calling a lemon head, Dale? 465 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:53,540 Who's got time, anyway? 466 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:54,674 Did Professor Pierce talk about 467 00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:56,309 her relationship with Dr. Lustig? 468 00:17:56,343 --> 00:17:57,144 Not a word. 469 00:17:57,177 --> 00:17:59,279 She just said that she was trying 470 00:17:59,312 --> 00:18:00,380 to update an earlier study. 471 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:01,381 And like I said, I told her thanks, but no thanks. 472 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,683 I'd say, "Call if you remember anything else," 473 00:18:03,716 --> 00:18:05,385 but I've learned there's no point. 474 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:06,486 (chuckles) 475 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:08,455 It's good to see you again, Carrie, and a pleasure 476 00:18:08,488 --> 00:18:10,623 to meet you, Al, but I must say, 477 00:18:10,657 --> 00:18:12,625 you're not exactly as Carrie described you. 478 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:14,527 Mary, can you give me a hand with the Elderton? 479 00:18:14,561 --> 00:18:17,464 So how is it I came up in your memory study? 480 00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:19,499 Gene wanted us to deal with some memories 481 00:18:19,532 --> 00:18:20,833 accompanied by strong emotions. 482 00:18:20,867 --> 00:18:22,869 And how exactly did you describe me? 483 00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:25,538 Well, I'm not really sure. 484 00:18:25,572 --> 00:18:26,739 You don't remember? 485 00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:28,408 All right, fine. 486 00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:30,877 I may have given you... 487 00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:33,613 a lisp, a wandering eye and really bad dandruff. 488 00:18:33,646 --> 00:18:35,648 But we had broken up, and I was mad. 489 00:18:35,682 --> 00:18:38,251 Nice. 490 00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:39,819 Let's go, lemon head. 491 00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:41,821 Hey, Vita Club members, Todd Blasingame coming at you 492 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:45,225 from beautiful, beautiful San Marco Key. 493 00:18:45,258 --> 00:18:48,361 Now, did you know my limited production Memory Serum contains 494 00:18:48,395 --> 00:18:49,596 the fermented extracts 495 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,532 of over 38 tropical fruits and berries? 496 00:18:52,565 --> 00:18:54,734 MAN: Cut! All right, guys, let's reset it back to one. (bell ringing) 497 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,403 Lauren, honey, I'm gonna need a touch-up. 498 00:18:56,436 --> 00:18:57,370 I'm sorry. 499 00:18:57,404 --> 00:18:59,372 So you were asking me about poor Alwyn Pierce. 500 00:18:59,406 --> 00:19:01,374 Yeah. Did you speak with her in the last week? 501 00:19:01,408 --> 00:19:03,576 No, but I saw her name on my call list. 502 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:05,378 Hundred calls a day, can't return them all. 503 00:19:05,412 --> 00:19:07,547 Hmm. Any idea why she was calling? 504 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:08,715 Thanks, hon. I'm good. 505 00:19:08,748 --> 00:19:10,517 Not a clue. 506 00:19:10,550 --> 00:19:12,552 Go ahead. 507 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:14,754 Hit me. Hit you? 508 00:19:14,787 --> 00:19:15,788 Yeah, you know, with the question. 509 00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:18,191 You know, where was I the night of blah-blah-blah? 510 00:19:18,225 --> 00:19:20,360 Okay. Monday morning, Tuesday night, 511 00:19:20,393 --> 00:19:21,561 where were you, Mr. Blasingame? 512 00:19:21,594 --> 00:19:23,330 Call me Todd. 513 00:19:23,363 --> 00:19:24,464 Norway. 514 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:25,798 You were in Norway? 515 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,634 Jus got back this morning. 516 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:29,502 Have you ever heard of Trollveggen? 517 00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:30,803 3,600-foot 518 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:32,472 vertical cliff. 519 00:19:32,505 --> 00:19:33,906 (laughs) Outstanding! 520 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:35,508 I BASE-jumped it. (whistles) 521 00:19:35,542 --> 00:19:37,944 So when's the last time you saw Dr. Lustig? 522 00:19:37,977 --> 00:19:40,380 February 17, 2009. Tuesday. 523 00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:41,614 That was the day I settled 524 00:19:41,648 --> 00:19:43,550 that little nuisance lawsuit he cooked up. 525 00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:45,385 Hmm, he didn't want you using his name 526 00:19:45,418 --> 00:19:46,819 in promotion for your memory products. 527 00:19:46,853 --> 00:19:48,788 JAY: $500,000 in punitive 528 00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:51,291 and lawyer fees, Mr. Blasing... 529 00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:53,526 Sorry. Todd. 530 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,961 Weren't you even a little upset? 531 00:19:54,994 --> 00:19:56,863 (giggles) 532 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,266 You see that? 533 00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:00,900 And I'm not talking about the beauties. 534 00:20:00,933 --> 00:20:03,470 This uses your body's own energy 535 00:20:03,503 --> 00:20:05,472 to locate areas that are stressed. 536 00:20:05,505 --> 00:20:07,940 This little puppy has already made me three mil, 537 00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:09,876 and I haven't even shipped a one of 'em. 538 00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:11,444 I don't think I'm upset at anyone. 539 00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:13,246 MAN: Okay, Todd, let's get another one. Thank you. 540 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,648 You know, I am starting to understand why 541 00:20:15,682 --> 00:20:17,517 Carrie didn't stay in touch with these memory folks. 542 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,586 Yeah, you hold on to everything long enough, 543 00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:21,854 it's easy to forget anyone else is out there. 544 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:24,491 From Mr. Blasingame, with his compliments. 545 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:30,330 TV ANNOUNCER: And they're heading to the gates 546 00:20:30,363 --> 00:20:31,798 for race number six. 547 00:20:31,831 --> 00:20:32,999 Number three horse... 548 00:20:33,032 --> 00:20:35,602 Carrie Wells, as I live and drink. 549 00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:37,337 Ruth Meaney. 550 00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:40,540 ...number seven, Rosso Brew, with jockey Juan Marquez... 551 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:44,411 Whatever happened to blackjack? 552 00:20:44,444 --> 00:20:45,645 Are you kidding? 553 00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:47,614 My picture's up in every casino 554 00:20:47,647 --> 00:20:48,748 all across the country. (chuckles) 555 00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:49,916 There they go. 556 00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:52,018 And it's Vital Jack down the inside... 557 00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:53,553 Who you got? 558 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:55,455 Claire's Knee, number six. 559 00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:58,358 I got no memory edge for the ponies. 560 00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,694 And so what if he ran 2:11 in the mud 561 00:21:01,728 --> 00:21:03,563 a year ago Tuesday? 562 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:05,365 Look at him now. 563 00:21:06,866 --> 00:21:10,703 With all the booze and dope I've sucked up, 564 00:21:10,737 --> 00:21:14,073 you'd think I'd be brain-dead. 565 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:16,042 No such luck. 566 00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:18,645 Rosso Brew and Vital Jack are battling it out! 567 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:20,413 And it is Vital Jack... 568 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:21,514 Run, you schmuck. 569 00:21:21,548 --> 00:21:22,849 (patrons murmuring excitedly) 570 00:21:26,553 --> 00:21:28,488 Did you hear about Alwyn? 571 00:21:29,556 --> 00:21:31,491 I'm afraid so, yeah. 572 00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:32,792 Come on. 573 00:21:32,825 --> 00:21:36,529 She claimed Lustig goosed the results 574 00:21:36,563 --> 00:21:38,398 of the memory tests. 575 00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:42,335 Oh, you know, try to make it all seem more impressive, 576 00:21:42,369 --> 00:21:44,637 make a bigger splash, dazzle the world. 577 00:21:44,671 --> 00:21:46,673 He would never do that. 578 00:21:46,706 --> 00:21:47,740 He was a legitimate scientist. 579 00:21:47,774 --> 00:21:48,875 Well, you're telling me. 580 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:52,779 But Alwyn had an axe to grind. 581 00:21:52,812 --> 00:21:55,348 Now, she asked me 582 00:21:55,382 --> 00:21:58,951 if Lustig ever put me up to lying. 583 00:22:00,753 --> 00:22:02,822 Well, did he? 584 00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:05,024 Oh, come on, no! 585 00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:06,426 (chuckles) 586 00:22:06,459 --> 00:22:07,694 Well, Alwyn thought he did. 587 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:10,763 Well, that-that would be crazy. 588 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,700 Of course it's crazy. 589 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,603 But... I guess there was someone 590 00:22:16,636 --> 00:22:19,906 who told one big old whopper. 591 00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:22,041 Someone in our group lied? 592 00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:23,443 Who? 593 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:25,612 Alwyn wouldn't say. 594 00:22:25,645 --> 00:22:27,614 But, um... 595 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:30,917 Well, it was that one group session we had 596 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:33,119 is all I know. 597 00:22:33,152 --> 00:22:34,921 Thank you, Ruthie. 598 00:22:34,954 --> 00:22:38,691 You and me, Carrie, we could break the bank. 599 00:22:38,725 --> 00:22:41,060 (laughs): Ooh. 600 00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:42,695 Make a hell of a team. 601 00:22:42,729 --> 00:22:45,064 Unstoppable, indestructible. 602 00:22:45,097 --> 00:22:46,098 Whoa. 603 00:22:46,132 --> 00:22:48,000 Carrie, what's up? 604 00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:50,670 We have to look at the group session. 605 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:52,104 What group session? 606 00:22:52,138 --> 00:22:54,774 There was only one: January 20, all six of us. 607 00:22:54,807 --> 00:22:56,609 Lustig wanted to see if we could influence 608 00:22:56,643 --> 00:22:57,844 each other's recollections. 609 00:22:57,877 --> 00:23:00,012 Uh, I'm not seeing it, Carrie. 610 00:23:00,046 --> 00:23:01,614 There's no tape for that day. 611 00:23:01,648 --> 00:23:02,915 Check again; there has to be. 612 00:23:02,949 --> 00:23:06,853 Nope. January 15, January 19, January 23. 613 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:08,154 Okay, well, I know 614 00:23:08,187 --> 00:23:11,991 there was a session on the 20th, which means... 615 00:23:12,024 --> 00:23:13,826 someone stole that tape 616 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:14,794 from Alwyn's apartment. 617 00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:16,863 What's so important about that one session? 618 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:20,099 Alwyn thought someone lied about a memory. 619 00:23:20,132 --> 00:23:24,471 Whatever is on that tape got her and Gene killed. 620 00:23:24,504 --> 00:23:26,439 (tires screeching) 621 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:29,542 Carrie, what's going on? 622 00:23:29,576 --> 00:23:30,910 Carrie? 623 00:23:36,215 --> 00:23:37,584 We got no witnesses from the street 624 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:39,051 or surrounding buildings. 625 00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:41,621 We're looking for footage from secams, traffic cameras, 626 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,222 anything that might have picked up the car. 627 00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:45,057 Thanks. Stay on it. Yeah. 628 00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:48,027 ELIOT: So, we know this group session was taped, 629 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,162 but we don't know what's on it, and now it's gone? 630 00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:51,197 It's not gone. 631 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:52,865 WEBSTER: Hold still, please. 632 00:23:52,899 --> 00:23:55,502 My work is so much better when my patients aren't moving. 633 00:23:55,535 --> 00:23:58,204 We have a copy here. 634 00:23:58,237 --> 00:24:00,039 Yeah, we don't need the tape. 635 00:24:00,072 --> 00:24:02,174 I got it in my memory. 636 00:24:04,143 --> 00:24:05,578 What do you need? 637 00:24:05,612 --> 00:24:07,614 Uh, candles, uh, what, some music? 638 00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:09,516 No, no, we just... 639 00:24:09,549 --> 00:24:11,150 a stenographer and a pad of paper 640 00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:12,151 would be great. 641 00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:14,487 You know, it's not a massage, just remembering. 642 00:24:14,521 --> 00:24:16,723 Great. We'll set you up. 643 00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:23,229 It was the first time he put us all together-- 644 00:24:23,262 --> 00:24:24,230 the only time. 645 00:24:24,263 --> 00:24:25,765 He brought us 646 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:30,136 all in a room, sat us in a circle. 647 00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:32,639 All right, everyone, 648 00:24:32,672 --> 00:24:34,173 I am gonna ask about your memories... 649 00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,609 CARRIE: And asked us about memories from random days. 650 00:24:36,643 --> 00:24:39,579 Uh, the first one was January 17, 651 00:24:39,612 --> 00:24:40,680 1991. 652 00:24:40,713 --> 00:24:41,781 Tomas said, 653 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:43,783 "That would've been a Thursday. 654 00:24:43,816 --> 00:24:46,052 I had a history test and a term paper." 655 00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:47,987 Todd interrupted. It was the start of Desert Storm. 656 00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:50,056 Right, I was going to say. And, uh... 657 00:24:50,089 --> 00:24:52,124 "And I was sitting down to study, but my mom..." 658 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:54,060 Then Gene asked about February 11, 659 00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:55,562 1999. 660 00:24:55,595 --> 00:24:56,963 First to Ruth. 661 00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:58,565 Right, of all days. 662 00:24:58,598 --> 00:24:59,766 Sorry? Ruth said, 663 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:01,067 "Well, just 'cause after getting killed 664 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:02,969 on the Villanova game, which..." 665 00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:04,604 I mean, 111 to 85. 666 00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:05,938 Come on. "Come on." 667 00:25:05,972 --> 00:25:07,273 Are we talking basketball? 668 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,975 "What do you think?" Ruth said. 669 00:25:09,008 --> 00:25:10,710 Boomerang chucking? 670 00:25:10,743 --> 00:25:12,011 "Yes, basketball, you egghead." 671 00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,279 You egghead. 672 00:25:13,312 --> 00:25:15,615 Lena, "Wouldn't you know it, they were doing 673 00:25:15,648 --> 00:25:17,216 track work on the Rock Island Line..." 674 00:25:17,249 --> 00:25:18,918 So I had to have Peggy drive me in. 675 00:25:18,951 --> 00:25:20,086 Peggy? 676 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,253 That's my niece. 677 00:25:21,287 --> 00:25:23,222 Right away, she starts coughing. "She starts coughing. 678 00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:25,191 "So I said, 'Forget Marshall Field's. 679 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:26,859 We're going straight to Dr. Rinaldi.'" 680 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,294 "February 11, 1999, 681 00:25:28,327 --> 00:25:29,796 "we got a call about a break-in. 682 00:25:29,829 --> 00:25:31,764 "Little two-story colonial 683 00:25:31,798 --> 00:25:33,199 "with yellow trim down on Sterling and Coolidge. 684 00:25:33,232 --> 00:25:35,568 "Turns out it was a couple kids 685 00:25:35,602 --> 00:25:37,937 throwing rocks at the basement windows." 686 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:39,639 Blasingame, "I mean, anybody could've told you 687 00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:41,273 the new year was gonna be soft." 688 00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:44,243 So, I turned a profit on Intel at the open at 63 1/8. 689 00:25:44,276 --> 00:25:45,311 "I rolled it over into..." 690 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,079 ...June hogs. 691 00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:47,947 Then Gene asked about... 692 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,849 March 6, 1997. 693 00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:51,951 Dale Parsons... A Thursday. 694 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:53,720 "I'd just read an article how they're getting 695 00:25:53,753 --> 00:25:55,922 record prices at auction houses for art." 696 00:25:55,955 --> 00:25:59,692 $68.9 million for a van Gogh. 697 00:25:59,726 --> 00:26:00,993 How is that even possible? 698 00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:02,128 "It's just paint, people. 699 00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:04,230 "And since I happened to be two blocks from the Met, 700 00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:06,332 I go in that afternoon and ask, 'What's the most...'" 701 00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,067 "...expensive painting that you have in here?" 702 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,669 Did you get an answer? 703 00:26:09,702 --> 00:26:11,070 A Vermeer. 704 00:26:11,103 --> 00:26:13,205 Uh, Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 705 00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:15,207 "So I went and had a look at it, and you know what?" 706 00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:17,076 It's a young woman with a water pitcher. 707 00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:18,845 Tomas said... I love that painting. 708 00:26:18,878 --> 00:26:19,946 The Gene asked... Ruth? 709 00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:21,380 I remembered to bring a sweater, 710 00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:22,682 because 1010 WINS... 711 00:26:22,715 --> 00:26:23,916 "...was saying a high of 40. 712 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:24,817 What they didn't..." 713 00:26:24,851 --> 00:26:26,886 ...say, the sky was gonna crack open. 714 00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:29,689 It was Saturday, and I'd just gotten my first M3. 715 00:26:29,722 --> 00:26:31,257 "3.2 liter, 716 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:33,292 "passion-red, beautiful. 717 00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:35,762 Got pinched for doing 48 in a 35 zone." 718 00:26:35,795 --> 00:26:37,930 Which I don't even consider that speeding. 719 00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:40,266 Gene said, "You're all amazing." You're all amazing. 720 00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:42,334 Uh, there's pizza in the next room. 721 00:26:42,368 --> 00:26:43,770 For those who don't like... 722 00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:45,872 "...pepperoni, there's ham and pineapple. 723 00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:47,306 Save me a slice." 724 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:48,708 And... 725 00:26:48,741 --> 00:26:50,309 The end? 726 00:26:50,342 --> 00:26:52,912 The end. 727 00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:57,416 AL: Thank you. 728 00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:00,352 You okay? 729 00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:02,221 Tired, sad. 730 00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:05,825 You are amazing. 731 00:27:08,695 --> 00:27:11,030 JAY: I'm just saying, this is a ton of memories. 732 00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:12,131 Which, incredible job, by the way, Carrie, 733 00:27:12,164 --> 00:27:13,299 but if we're gonna verify each one, 734 00:27:13,332 --> 00:27:14,300 it's gonna take forever. 735 00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,434 AL: We know Lustig 736 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,336 was able to do it. No, he wasn't. 737 00:27:17,369 --> 00:27:19,038 He did random spot-checks. 738 00:27:19,071 --> 00:27:21,307 Yeah, see, but then how did Alwyn do it? 739 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:22,408 I mean, we're talking 740 00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:23,375 about random details 741 00:27:23,409 --> 00:27:24,977 about track work on the Long Island Railroad 742 00:27:25,011 --> 00:27:26,178 in 1988. 743 00:27:26,212 --> 00:27:28,180 The price of lamb chops, 1996. 744 00:27:28,214 --> 00:27:29,248 Fourth race at Roosevelt, 1994. 745 00:27:29,281 --> 00:27:30,917 I don't know. 746 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:34,153 Now, maybe if she was a fan of the trotters or something. 747 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:35,421 Maybe she was. 748 00:27:35,454 --> 00:27:38,057 I mean, maybe Alwyn found an incorrect memory 749 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:40,159 in no time at all because it happened to be 750 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:41,994 in an area of her expertise. 751 00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:44,163 If it was something that jumped out at her... 752 00:27:44,196 --> 00:27:46,098 MURRAY: Money, credit cards, all here. 753 00:27:46,132 --> 00:27:48,134 No sign of forced entry, no struggle. 754 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:50,336 She let them in. 755 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:53,339 AL: Yeah, that's how I read it, too. 756 00:27:53,372 --> 00:27:54,540 Her phone shows one 45-second call... 757 00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:58,410 Traces back to a pay phone at a gas station in Brooklyn. 758 00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:02,381 She and Lustig may have been fighting, 759 00:28:02,414 --> 00:28:04,416 but she's got a ton of his books here. 760 00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:08,821 Art. 761 00:28:08,855 --> 00:28:10,256 Alwyn was an art lover. 762 00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:14,360 Books, museum posters-- they were all over her apartment. 763 00:28:14,393 --> 00:28:16,362 PARSONS: Since I happened to be two blocks 764 00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:18,497 from the Metropolitan Museum, I go in that afternoon. 765 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:21,433 Vermeer, A Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 766 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:25,872 Parson said he saw a Vermeer at the Metropolitan. 767 00:28:25,905 --> 00:28:27,106 Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 768 00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:28,474 Maybe he got the museum wrong? 769 00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:29,776 JAY: No, that painting 770 00:28:29,809 --> 00:28:31,077 was at the Met. 771 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:32,244 My cousin Angie works there. 772 00:28:32,278 --> 00:28:33,345 It's been in the collection for years. 773 00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:35,047 All right, call her. 774 00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:36,448 My bet is he didn't see it 775 00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:38,384 when he said he did. March 6, 1997. 776 00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:40,519 Find out if the museum was closed, 777 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,054 having a private event, something, 778 00:28:42,088 --> 00:28:43,055 anything. 779 00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:44,290 Hey, Ange, it's me. 780 00:28:44,323 --> 00:28:45,424 You by a computer? 781 00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:47,026 What if Parsons just got it wrong? 782 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:48,460 People make mistakes. No one bats a thousand. 783 00:28:48,494 --> 00:28:49,528 Parsons does. 784 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:51,831 He scored highest on all of the objective tests. 785 00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:52,965 He beat me. 786 00:28:52,999 --> 00:28:55,001 If he got it wrong, 787 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:56,368 he's lying. 788 00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:57,870 You rock, Ange. Yep. 789 00:28:57,904 --> 00:28:59,138 March 6, 1997. 790 00:29:00,439 --> 00:29:01,941 Young Woman with a Water Pitcher 791 00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:03,776 was on loan to the Prado Museum in Madrid. 792 00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:05,011 No way Parsons could've seen it. 793 00:29:05,044 --> 00:29:06,212 He is lying. 794 00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:07,479 And whatever he did that day, 795 00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:08,447 he wants to keep it secret. 796 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,416 He'll kill to keep it secret. 797 00:29:10,449 --> 00:29:11,517 Uh-huh. Jay, check the crime's database. 798 00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:13,986 March 6, 1997. 799 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,287 Unsolved murders, anything. 800 00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:16,989 Okay, here we go. 801 00:29:17,023 --> 00:29:19,792 Let's look at the whole tristate area 802 00:29:19,826 --> 00:29:21,961 and unsolved murders. 803 00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:23,529 Widening the jurisdiction. Got it. 804 00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:26,565 Four unsolved murders March 6, 1997. 805 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,534 Now, assuming for the moment that we're not looking 806 00:29:28,567 --> 00:29:31,103 at a gang-related homicide, that narrows it down to... 807 00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:33,906 Valerie Johnson, age 21, CUNY student, 808 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:36,042 found dead in her car in Farmingdale. 809 00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:38,177 Strangled with clothesline. 810 00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:44,183 Thanks for meeting me, Dale. 811 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:46,352 If anyone can help us with this thing, it's you. 812 00:29:46,385 --> 00:29:48,420 No problem. I got a client right around the corner, 813 00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:51,457 but I think I already told you everything that I know. 814 00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:53,592 Well, maybe I can learn more 815 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:55,862 by picking that extraordinary brain of yours. 816 00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:59,265 Well, you will certainly learn something. 817 00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:03,535 But probably not about what you want to know. 818 00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:06,205 March 6, 1997. 819 00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:07,473 Thursday. 820 00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:08,274 Yes, it was. 821 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:11,143 What were you doing that afternoon? 822 00:30:11,177 --> 00:30:13,345 Oh, God, you sound like Lustig. 823 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:14,981 I thought this was about Alwyn. 824 00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:17,516 Well, it is, indirectly. 825 00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:20,119 See, I know what I was doing that afternoon. 826 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:23,522 I was buying socks and underwear at the Syracuse Dress Barn, 827 00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:27,559 which is not the most exciting or sexy thing in the world, 828 00:30:27,593 --> 00:30:29,028 but at least it's true. 829 00:30:29,061 --> 00:30:30,496 It's not like 830 00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:34,867 the Syracuse Dress Barn just moved to Madrid. 831 00:30:36,035 --> 00:30:38,037 I'm sorry, what was the question again? 832 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:39,638 March 6, 1997. 833 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:40,940 You told our group... I'm kidding. 834 00:30:40,973 --> 00:30:43,309 that you were at the Metropolitan... Oh, group session, boring. 835 00:30:43,342 --> 00:30:45,177 seeing a painting by Vermeer. 836 00:30:45,211 --> 00:30:47,980 No, I didn't. Yes, you did. 837 00:30:48,014 --> 00:30:49,949 Wow, is that what you remember? 838 00:30:49,982 --> 00:30:51,083 Uh-huh. 839 00:30:51,117 --> 00:30:52,518 Sorry. (imitates buzzer) 840 00:30:52,551 --> 00:30:55,354 No, Carrie, on Thursday afternoon, March 6, 841 00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:59,058 I was at the 1:45 p.m. screening of Donnie Brasco 842 00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:00,126 at Lincoln Square Cinema. 843 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,660 Afterwards, I had sushi at Lenge. 844 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,162 By the time I was finished, 845 00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:04,931 I would've had exactly nine minutes 846 00:31:04,964 --> 00:31:07,266 to get across town to the Met before it closed. 847 00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:08,968 So how could I have seen a Vermeer? 848 00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:11,103 P.S. I don't even like Vermeer. 849 00:31:11,137 --> 00:31:13,472 You said you saw the painting. 850 00:31:13,505 --> 00:31:16,008 It's your memory against mine. 851 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,476 What about the tapes? 852 00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:18,978 Great, check the tape. 853 00:31:19,011 --> 00:31:20,246 You'll see that I am right. 854 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,415 I could always ask Todd, Ruthie. 855 00:31:23,449 --> 00:31:24,550 Sure, ask them. 856 00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:25,684 But why bother? 857 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:28,087 You have the tape, don't you? 858 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,289 Don't you? 859 00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:36,295 (sighs) It's just you against me. 860 00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:37,997 I wouldn't take those odds, 861 00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:40,632 but you're the gambling gal, right? 862 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:45,571 Are we done? 863 00:31:45,604 --> 00:31:47,339 One more thing, actually. 864 00:31:47,373 --> 00:31:49,641 A little picture for you. 865 00:31:51,978 --> 00:31:53,679 Valerie Johnson. Remember her? 866 00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:55,414 She was a client of yours. 867 00:31:55,447 --> 00:31:57,483 Indeed she was. 868 00:31:57,516 --> 00:31:58,550 I did her taxes for 1996. 869 00:31:58,584 --> 00:32:01,420 Adjusted gross, 870 00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:03,455 $21,380, total take-home, 871 00:32:03,489 --> 00:32:04,556 $25,300. 872 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:07,026 She got a $408 refund. You ever take her home, Dale? 873 00:32:09,061 --> 00:32:12,298 I think I liked you better when you were miserable. 874 00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:16,268 AL: All right. 875 00:32:16,302 --> 00:32:18,537 Thank you. 876 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:20,239 That was Murray. 877 00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:23,042 She found three more cases, same M.O. 878 00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:25,211 Young women strangled with clothesline. 879 00:32:25,244 --> 00:32:27,713 Poughkeepsie; Binghamton; Cherry Hill, New Jersey. 880 00:32:27,746 --> 00:32:29,982 Each murder corresponds with an audit 881 00:32:30,016 --> 00:32:32,151 Dale Parsons attended on behalf of clients. 882 00:32:32,184 --> 00:32:35,254 Valerie Johnson wasn't his only victim. 883 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,289 He's a serial killer. 884 00:32:46,632 --> 00:32:48,167 I still don't get it. Parsons kills these women, 885 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,635 doesn't leave a trace, 886 00:32:49,668 --> 00:32:51,403 but then makes up a bogus alibi, 887 00:32:51,437 --> 00:32:53,239 knowing Lustig could find out and challenge him? 888 00:32:53,272 --> 00:32:54,673 It was seven years later. 889 00:32:54,706 --> 00:32:56,675 Gene was picking random days. 890 00:32:56,708 --> 00:32:58,244 Dale wasn't expecting him to ask 891 00:32:58,277 --> 00:33:00,146 about that one day, so he panics, 892 00:33:00,179 --> 00:33:01,747 and he lies. 893 00:33:01,780 --> 00:33:03,582 So based on IRS returns 894 00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:05,217 where Parsons signed on as the responsible accountant, 895 00:33:05,251 --> 00:33:06,652 we could be up to eight victims. 896 00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:08,187 Oh, my God. If he consulted, 897 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:09,721 gave investment advice to other women, 898 00:33:09,755 --> 00:33:10,556 who knows how many he killed? 899 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:12,491 What the hell are you drinking? Mm. 900 00:33:13,525 --> 00:33:14,793 Blasingame's memory juice. 901 00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:16,262 You know, I hate to admit it, 902 00:33:16,295 --> 00:33:17,496 but I think the guy's onto something. 903 00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:19,298 I read his book. He caught a rattlesnake 904 00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:20,799 with his bare hands in Death Valley. 905 00:33:20,832 --> 00:33:22,034 Guy's a total adrenaline junkie. 906 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:24,270 LUSTIG: You memory guys 907 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,138 are all risk takers. 908 00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:27,773 Adrenaline junkies. 909 00:33:27,806 --> 00:33:30,042 The rush engenders... 910 00:33:30,076 --> 00:33:32,211 a little benign forgetting. 911 00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:35,114 What time of day was Valerie Johnson murdered? 912 00:33:35,147 --> 00:33:36,715 It was morning sometime. 913 00:33:36,748 --> 00:33:39,385 She was on her way to school, so 8:00, 8:30. 914 00:33:39,418 --> 00:33:41,620 We've got to bring Dale Parsons in. 915 00:33:41,653 --> 00:33:43,389 We don't have enough to arrest him. 916 00:33:43,422 --> 00:33:44,723 Can't lock a guy up for lying. 917 00:33:44,756 --> 00:33:47,359 He wasn't lying. 918 00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:55,634 Hey, Dale. Hello. 919 00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:56,602 Thanks for coming in. 920 00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:59,205 Never been in an actual interrogation room. 921 00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:00,672 (laughs) It's cozy. 922 00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:02,241 And an audience. 923 00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:03,509 Hello, people. 924 00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:05,811 So, what happens now? 925 00:34:05,844 --> 00:34:07,713 You break me? 926 00:34:07,746 --> 00:34:09,348 No. 927 00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:12,118 This is just a conversation, friendly conversation, Dale. 928 00:34:12,151 --> 00:34:13,319 So I won't need, say, a lawyer? 929 00:34:13,352 --> 00:34:15,321 Why would you need a lawyer? 930 00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:16,555 You're Dale Parsons. 931 00:34:16,588 --> 00:34:17,856 True. 932 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,159 Okay, friendly conversation, then. 933 00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:22,228 Just, let's not play the day and date game. 934 00:34:22,261 --> 00:34:23,829 So does that mean I can't ask you 935 00:34:23,862 --> 00:34:25,797 about July 12, 1999, 936 00:34:25,831 --> 00:34:27,833 August 27, 2003, 937 00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:29,701 October 11, 2008... 938 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:31,570 Which were a Monday, a Wednesday and a Saturday. 939 00:34:31,603 --> 00:34:32,871 Very nice. Right? 940 00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:33,772 Yes, they were. 941 00:34:33,805 --> 00:34:35,341 You're good. 942 00:34:35,374 --> 00:34:36,742 You know what happened on those days? 943 00:34:36,775 --> 00:34:39,345 You promised. 944 00:34:39,378 --> 00:34:40,779 Fine, why don't I tell you 945 00:34:40,812 --> 00:34:41,813 what happened on those days. 946 00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:45,351 July 12, 1999. 947 00:34:45,384 --> 00:34:47,419 Tina Davis, murdered. 948 00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,421 Strangled to death in her car. 949 00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:53,325 August 27, 2003. 950 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,894 Lakshmi Patel, also murdered. 951 00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:58,564 October 11, 2008. 952 00:34:58,597 --> 00:34:59,731 Gloria Durning. 953 00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:00,832 Same M.O. 954 00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:03,269 All of these young women murdered. 955 00:35:03,302 --> 00:35:04,903 You know any of them? 956 00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:05,904 You're accusing me. 957 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,173 No. 958 00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:08,640 No, I'm asking you. 959 00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:10,409 Now I do need a lawyer. You only need a lawyer 960 00:35:10,442 --> 00:35:11,743 if you've done something wrong. 961 00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:14,580 Besides, you're smarter than any lawyer I know. 962 00:35:16,782 --> 00:35:18,517 I don't know them. 963 00:35:19,651 --> 00:35:21,620 Don't remember them? 964 00:35:21,653 --> 00:35:23,689 (scoffs) 965 00:35:23,722 --> 00:35:24,856 Excuse me? 966 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:26,558 Don't remember killing them? 967 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:30,729 You know, 968 00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:34,233 despite his terrible jokes, Gene Lustig was one of 969 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:35,734 the smartest men I ever met. 970 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:38,370 And he said something to me once, and it helped me a lot. 971 00:35:38,404 --> 00:35:41,373 He said that people like us, 972 00:35:41,407 --> 00:35:43,375 sometimes we need a vacation. 973 00:35:43,409 --> 00:35:45,544 You know, from all the stuff in our heads. 974 00:35:45,577 --> 00:35:46,478 You more than anyone, 975 00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:48,380 because you were always the best of us. 976 00:35:48,414 --> 00:35:49,915 You admit it. 977 00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:50,849 (chuckles) 978 00:35:50,882 --> 00:35:53,885 So you want to know what the secret is? 979 00:35:55,887 --> 00:35:57,856 Adrenaline. 980 00:35:59,858 --> 00:36:01,193 We crave it. 981 00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:03,562 But not for the rush, not for the high. 982 00:36:03,595 --> 00:36:04,730 That's for other people. 983 00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:08,300 We crave it for the rest it gives us. 984 00:36:08,334 --> 00:36:10,569 From ourselves. 985 00:36:13,472 --> 00:36:15,574 Where were you... 986 00:36:15,607 --> 00:36:17,576 the morning Gene was murdered? 987 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:19,878 I was at home, asleep. 988 00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:21,713 Okay. What time did you wake up? 989 00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:22,881 6:45. It's my usual hour. 990 00:36:22,914 --> 00:36:24,683 It's when I take the dogs out. 991 00:36:24,716 --> 00:36:25,784 Oh. 992 00:36:25,817 --> 00:36:26,885 Anyone see you? 993 00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,954 I have no idea. 994 00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:33,759 Middle of a rainstorm: odd time to walk the dogs. 995 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:36,328 They don't mind the rain. 996 00:36:36,362 --> 00:36:37,996 Thunder must have bothered them, no? 997 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:42,268 It did, but hey, when you got to go, 998 00:36:42,301 --> 00:36:43,602 you got to go. Mm. 999 00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:45,937 Speaking of which, if we're done here... 1000 00:36:45,971 --> 00:36:48,407 There was no storm the morning 1001 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,875 Gene Lustig was murdered. 1002 00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,310 No rain. 1003 00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:52,344 No thunder. 1004 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:02,020 I'll lay it out for you. 1005 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:04,022 See, I thought you lied 1006 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,258 about the Vermeer to cover up where you were 1007 00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:07,593 when you killed Valerie Johnson. 1008 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:08,960 But she was murdered in the morning. 1009 00:37:08,994 --> 00:37:11,263 And you said you were went to the Met in the afternoon, 1010 00:37:11,297 --> 00:37:13,932 so I thought to myself... why lie? 1011 00:37:13,965 --> 00:37:17,269 Why make up an alibi you don't need? 1012 00:37:17,303 --> 00:37:20,939 But you weren't lying, were you? 1013 00:37:20,972 --> 00:37:21,973 You forgot. 1014 00:37:22,007 --> 00:37:24,543 Because when you murder people, 1015 00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:27,279 like these young women, you forget. 1016 00:37:27,313 --> 00:37:28,280 That's why you do it. 1017 00:37:28,314 --> 00:37:29,548 Not Gene and Alwyn. 1018 00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:30,982 You killed them to cover your tracks. 1019 00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:32,984 But I bet you don't remember 1020 00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:34,986 what happened afterwards, do you? 1021 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:37,323 You have no idea what you're talking about. 1022 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:38,490 Yes, I do. 1023 00:37:38,524 --> 00:37:41,493 You know I do. 1024 00:37:41,527 --> 00:37:45,664 The adrenaline unleashed by the act of violence 1025 00:37:45,697 --> 00:37:47,966 helps you to forget your painful life. 1026 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:49,535 No, you're... you are wrong. 1027 00:37:49,568 --> 00:37:50,969 Which becomes more miserable 1028 00:37:51,002 --> 00:37:52,638 when you finally, inevitably, No. No, that is... 1029 00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:53,639 remember what you've done. 1030 00:37:53,672 --> 00:37:54,806 And then you kill again. 1031 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,508 To forget, again. 1032 00:37:56,542 --> 00:37:58,510 You're an addict, Dale. 1033 00:38:00,612 --> 00:38:02,814 You're addicted to murder. 1034 00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:05,050 You don't understand. 1035 00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:08,053 Of course I understand. 1036 00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:10,288 I'm the only one who does. 1037 00:38:13,859 --> 00:38:16,728 How long do you get? 1038 00:38:16,762 --> 00:38:18,730 A few minutes? 1039 00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:20,098 A few hours, a whole day? 1040 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:21,333 How long? 1041 00:38:26,405 --> 00:38:28,340 Sometimes more than a day. 1042 00:38:31,009 --> 00:38:33,679 The first time... 1043 00:38:33,712 --> 00:38:36,815 it was a cat. 1044 00:38:36,848 --> 00:38:38,784 It was a stupid neighborhood cat, 1045 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,952 and he kept howling and howling. 1046 00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:43,955 And when I put my fingers around its neck, 1047 00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:47,426 and I squeezed... 1048 00:38:47,459 --> 00:38:50,629 it was like I was here... 1049 00:38:50,662 --> 00:38:53,999 for the first time. 1050 00:38:54,032 --> 00:38:55,901 Just here, now. 1051 00:38:55,934 --> 00:38:59,505 Not five minutes ago, not 20 minutes ago, 1052 00:38:59,538 --> 00:39:01,440 not 20 years ago, 1053 00:39:01,473 --> 00:39:04,410 when my father did those things, 1054 00:39:04,443 --> 00:39:07,879 and when those boys did those things, 1055 00:39:07,913 --> 00:39:10,048 because I was different. 1056 00:39:10,081 --> 00:39:12,518 Because I was the one who was always telling them 1057 00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:15,687 that they were wrong, because they were always wrong. 1058 00:39:15,721 --> 00:39:17,389 They never remembered 1059 00:39:17,423 --> 00:39:20,058 anything. 1060 00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:23,395 And Valerie... 1061 00:39:27,433 --> 00:39:29,835 The last thing I remember 1062 00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:33,539 was the light fading from her eyes 1063 00:39:33,572 --> 00:39:37,142 like a torch down a well. 1064 00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:40,579 And then it was a miracle. 1065 00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:45,451 It was a whole, long, blissful day of peace. 1066 00:39:48,086 --> 00:39:50,088 At least I think it was. 1067 00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:54,726 I don't remember. 1068 00:39:58,597 --> 00:40:00,599 "Peace"? 1069 00:40:04,603 --> 00:40:06,071 I want you 1070 00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:09,808 to look at these women. 1071 00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:12,511 I want you to study their faces. 1072 00:40:15,681 --> 00:40:19,585 I want you... to remember them. 1073 00:40:22,187 --> 00:40:26,458 Because from now on, forgetting is not an option. 1074 00:40:45,243 --> 00:40:46,745 Nice work. 1075 00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:47,946 That was amazing. 1076 00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:10,902 There you are. 1077 00:41:10,936 --> 00:41:14,205 Carrie Wells, on behalf of the Memory Studies Group, 1078 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,274 it gives me great pleasure 1079 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:20,011 to present you with this check for $100 U.S. 1080 00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,080 Wow, Gene, $100. 1081 00:41:22,113 --> 00:41:23,048 (both laugh) 1082 00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:26,918 Along with an infinite amount of gratitude 1083 00:41:26,952 --> 00:41:29,621 on behalf of... me. 1084 00:41:29,655 --> 00:41:31,690 You know, you can grow that money, 1085 00:41:31,723 --> 00:41:33,258 or you can just piddle it away. 1086 00:41:33,291 --> 00:41:35,160 Maybe I'll do both. 1087 00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:36,227 Yeah? 1088 00:41:36,261 --> 00:41:37,796 Let me guess. Texas hold 'em? 1089 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:39,631 Blackjack, actually. 1090 00:41:39,665 --> 00:41:40,932 Scientifically sanctioned. 1091 00:41:40,966 --> 00:41:42,634 "A little benign forgetting." 1092 00:41:42,668 --> 00:41:44,636 Hmm. 1093 00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:46,071 What are you gonna do now? 1094 00:41:46,104 --> 00:41:49,608 (laughs) 1095 00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:51,610 Keep moving, I guess. 1096 00:41:51,643 --> 00:41:55,981 Just a word of advice from a new old friend? 1097 00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:59,651 The past has lessons for us, 1098 00:41:59,685 --> 00:42:01,319 but the present is where we live. 1099 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:04,790 And nothing brings us into the present like a goal. 1100 00:42:04,823 --> 00:42:07,258 A task that uses 1101 00:42:07,292 --> 00:42:09,661 all your powers, including... 1102 00:42:12,163 --> 00:42:13,131 Hmm. 1103 00:42:13,164 --> 00:42:15,000 You said you were a cop. 1104 00:42:17,803 --> 00:42:19,170 It was too hard. 1105 00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:21,206 Okay. 1106 00:42:23,241 --> 00:42:26,044 But, Carrie, if anybody ever needed a mission, 1107 00:42:26,077 --> 00:42:27,613 it's you. 1108 00:42:27,646 --> 00:42:30,548 When you find one, let me know. 1109 00:42:35,654 --> 00:42:38,624 Gene? 1110 00:42:38,657 --> 00:42:40,792 Thank you. 1111 00:42:57,142 --> 00:42:58,644 I'm taking off. 1112 00:42:59,678 --> 00:43:01,980 Think I'll stick around. 1113 00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:10,321 Captioning sponsored by CBS 1114 00:43:10,355 --> 00:43:14,125 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org