1 00:00:06,389 --> 00:00:07,829 No, no, please don't! 2 00:00:08,029 --> 00:00:10,869 NARRATOR: A local DJ is gunned down in a taxicab. 3 00:00:11,069 --> 00:00:14,349 JOE KENDA: Stephen White is dead before he falls over in the seat. 4 00:00:14,549 --> 00:00:15,989 There's blood all over. 5 00:00:16,189 --> 00:00:19,429 He had no way of knowing it was his last ride. 6 00:00:19,629 --> 00:00:21,709 All investigators have to go on 7 00:00:21,909 --> 00:00:24,909 -is a cryptic call to taxi dispatch. -Somebody come pick me up. 8 00:00:25,109 --> 00:00:29,109 Detectives hope was that somebody was going to go, "I know who that is." 9 00:00:29,309 --> 00:00:31,989 -Do you think this'll work? -Crazier things have happened. 10 00:00:32,189 --> 00:00:35,189 Tips start coming back in. And that reignites the investigation. 11 00:00:35,389 --> 00:00:36,869 I know who shot the cab driver. 12 00:00:37,069 --> 00:00:38,669 Come out with your hands up! 13 00:00:38,869 --> 00:00:41,989 But will all these leads point them to the killer, or to a dead end. 14 00:00:42,189 --> 00:00:43,949 Come out, or we're coming in after you! 15 00:00:44,149 --> 00:00:47,309 This could go a little ugly, but we're prepared for that. 16 00:00:49,269 --> 00:00:53,829 There are some people among us, they have rage and anger in their minds. 17 00:00:54,029 --> 00:00:56,389 It'd be in everyone's interest not to be standing 18 00:00:56,589 --> 00:00:59,429 in front of one of those people when they have these episodes. 19 00:00:59,629 --> 00:01:03,349 The difficulty is knowing when they might occur. 20 00:01:03,549 --> 00:01:07,589 There's one thing that never changes, murder. 21 00:01:07,789 --> 00:01:12,389 A life has been taken. Their stories are now my stories. 22 00:01:12,589 --> 00:01:15,629 I never know where a case is going to lead, 23 00:01:15,829 --> 00:01:18,389 but I'll never stop until it's solved. 24 00:01:18,589 --> 00:01:21,229 Somebody has to look out for the victim. 25 00:01:21,429 --> 00:01:24,629 If you kill, I will find you. 26 00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:33,069 (tense music playing) 27 00:01:36,469 --> 00:01:41,829 Deputy Randy Curtis is patrolling the neighbourhood, and it's late. 28 00:01:43,469 --> 00:01:46,669 And all of a sudden, he sees a cab stopped. 29 00:01:49,629 --> 00:01:51,629 But he doesn't see anybody in it. 30 00:01:56,269 --> 00:01:59,589 So he parks his patrol car and gets out. 31 00:02:13,509 --> 00:02:15,469 And there is somebody in it. 32 00:02:15,669 --> 00:02:17,389 There's blood all over. 33 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:20,629 And there's glass on the hood of the car. 34 00:02:21,989 --> 00:02:24,669 Have got a code 9 out here, start me additional units. 35 00:02:24,869 --> 00:02:27,549 We may have a shooter here in the area. 36 00:02:27,749 --> 00:02:31,349 Within the hour, El Paso County Homicide Detective Steve Gaenzle 37 00:02:31,549 --> 00:02:33,389 joins Detective Mark Finley on scene. 38 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:36,989 -Hey, Steve. -Hey, Mark. 39 00:02:37,189 --> 00:02:39,069 This has been the week from hell. 40 00:02:39,269 --> 00:02:41,309 My pager went off just as I hit the pillow. 41 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:43,349 Back in the early 1990s, 42 00:02:43,549 --> 00:02:47,389 the Sheriff's Office only had eight investigators at any given time. 43 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:49,909 We worked two or three days with no sleep. 44 00:02:50,109 --> 00:02:52,829 -What are we looking at? -A body in the front seat. 45 00:02:53,029 --> 00:02:56,229 -Deceased, multiple gunshot wounds. -Taxi? 46 00:02:56,429 --> 00:02:59,549 That is an extremely rare event in this area. 47 00:02:59,749 --> 00:03:03,069 Part of the reason is, there aren't a lot of cabs. 48 00:03:03,269 --> 00:03:05,589 -Hey, Randy. -Detectives. 49 00:03:05,789 --> 00:03:08,109 -You the one who discovered the body? -I did. 50 00:03:08,309 --> 00:03:12,749 I see this cab pulled over. I light it up, look inside, 51 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:15,709 and this guy's just lying in there dead. 52 00:03:15,909 --> 00:03:18,149 -We got an ID? -We did, we ran the tags, 53 00:03:18,349 --> 00:03:21,949 they came back to a Stephen White of Colorado Springs. 54 00:03:22,149 --> 00:03:25,709 -(distant siren wailing) -(police chatter over radio) 55 00:03:25,909 --> 00:03:28,749 The victim was a white male, appeared to be in early 30s, 56 00:03:28,949 --> 00:03:30,989 with several gunshot wounds prevalent. 57 00:03:31,189 --> 00:03:35,549 -Any idea of the calibre? -Found two .44 slugs, that's all. 58 00:03:35,749 --> 00:03:39,629 One of the slugs passed clean through and pierced the windscreen. 59 00:03:39,829 --> 00:03:43,069 The bullet fragments were located where the dash meets the windshield. 60 00:03:43,269 --> 00:03:46,309 Once it hit the glass, the bullets then fragmented. 61 00:03:46,509 --> 00:03:48,829 That means that parts of the bullet came apart, 62 00:03:49,029 --> 00:03:51,749 and there was damage to the glass itself 63 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:53,709 because of the velocity of the bullet. 64 00:03:53,909 --> 00:03:55,869 There are several types of bullets designed 65 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:58,469 to increase the damage to the human body. 66 00:03:58,669 --> 00:04:00,749 The most damaging is called a hollow point 67 00:04:00,949 --> 00:04:03,109 where the slug is actually hollowed on the end, 68 00:04:03,309 --> 00:04:05,029 allowing the bullet to fragment 69 00:04:05,229 --> 00:04:07,629 and spread into a much wider piece of lead. 70 00:04:07,829 --> 00:04:11,269 Another bullet type is called a soft point bullet, 71 00:04:11,469 --> 00:04:14,069 it's half copper covered and half lead. 72 00:04:14,269 --> 00:04:16,629 The round lead end is the very end of the bullet 73 00:04:16,829 --> 00:04:21,109 causing a mushrooming effect when it strikes an object like a human body. 74 00:04:21,309 --> 00:04:22,989 Got glass on the hood as well. 75 00:04:23,189 --> 00:04:25,829 The glass fragments show directionality 76 00:04:26,029 --> 00:04:28,829 where a person would be behind the driver 77 00:04:29,029 --> 00:04:32,589 and the gun would have been up against their head or their neck. 78 00:04:32,789 --> 00:04:37,069 -Look at the way he's lying. -Kind of an odd body position 79 00:04:37,269 --> 00:04:39,509 -if he were shot from behind. -Exactly. 80 00:04:39,709 --> 00:04:42,349 You would think if you were sitting behind someone 81 00:04:42,549 --> 00:04:44,029 and you were to shoot someone, 82 00:04:44,229 --> 00:04:49,429 that the mere force of the gunshot would push someone forward. 83 00:04:49,629 --> 00:04:53,509 But when he was discovered, he was lying on his side part of him 84 00:04:53,709 --> 00:04:55,989 in the right front floorboard, 85 00:04:56,189 --> 00:04:59,949 legs were extended down towards the driver's side 86 00:05:00,149 --> 00:05:05,789 that would show or indicate that the body was pushed over sideways 87 00:05:05,989 --> 00:05:10,269 and maybe a search was done on the clothing 88 00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:12,949 if robbery would have been the motive. 89 00:05:13,149 --> 00:05:15,069 Check this out, the metre's still running. 90 00:05:15,269 --> 00:05:18,509 We should shut that off, but let's make sure we get a picture of that. 91 00:05:18,709 --> 00:05:21,069 Can we get a picture of this metre, please? 92 00:05:21,269 --> 00:05:22,789 (camera shutter clicks) 93 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:26,869 The amount that's on the register is $53.10. 94 00:05:27,069 --> 00:05:29,269 That's a significantly high fare. 95 00:05:29,469 --> 00:05:33,229 Which means the victim either drove his last customer a long ways, 96 00:05:33,429 --> 00:05:35,909 or he'd been laying there dead for quite some time. 97 00:05:36,109 --> 00:05:38,669 So what are you thinking, robbery? 98 00:05:38,869 --> 00:05:41,429 It makes the most sense considering the circumstances. 99 00:05:41,629 --> 00:05:44,629 Cab drivers are a target for armed robbers. 100 00:05:44,829 --> 00:05:47,749 They generally carry cash to make change for people 101 00:05:47,949 --> 00:05:49,869 who are getting in and out of their cabs. 102 00:05:50,069 --> 00:05:53,469 -Want to check him for a wallet? -Let's not disturb the body yet. 103 00:05:53,669 --> 00:05:56,029 Let's get the cab towed over to the coroner's office 104 00:05:56,229 --> 00:05:59,669 with the body in it. They might be able to spot something. 105 00:05:59,869 --> 00:06:03,469 It's very, very rare that you would take a cab with a decedent 106 00:06:03,669 --> 00:06:05,629 and move it to a coroner's office, 107 00:06:05,829 --> 00:06:07,709 but it was something we elected to do 108 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:10,069 to be able to work in a controlled environment. 109 00:06:10,269 --> 00:06:11,949 In the meantime, we're heading over 110 00:06:12,149 --> 00:06:14,429 to that cab company's central call station. 111 00:06:14,629 --> 00:06:17,029 Can you oversee the vehicle's transfer, please? 112 00:06:17,229 --> 00:06:18,629 Thank you. 113 00:06:18,829 --> 00:06:22,989 Cab drivers are dispatched, someone calls in for a request for service 114 00:06:23,189 --> 00:06:25,789 and the dispatcher will call out to the cab driver 115 00:06:25,989 --> 00:06:29,229 and let them know there's a fare to be picked up at this location. 116 00:06:31,309 --> 00:06:34,949 It's imperative to go to the dispatch centre for yellow cab 117 00:06:35,149 --> 00:06:37,069 and retrieve any information 118 00:06:37,269 --> 00:06:41,709 they may have as far as a call log or a recorded call that had come in. 119 00:06:41,909 --> 00:06:45,189 I knew something was wrong when I didn't hear from him over the radio. 120 00:06:45,389 --> 00:06:48,549 She tells Gaenzle they are required to call in on the radio 121 00:06:48,749 --> 00:06:51,749 to report that they're now going off duty and he didn't do that. 122 00:06:51,949 --> 00:06:54,629 Well, he didn't do that, because he couldn't do it. 123 00:06:54,829 --> 00:06:56,989 How long had he been driving for the company? 124 00:06:57,189 --> 00:07:00,829 Since before I started. So, at least 5 years. 125 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:03,269 He was one of our best drivers. 126 00:07:03,469 --> 00:07:06,629 Stephen White was a really dependable employee 127 00:07:06,829 --> 00:07:09,549 and he was well liked by his co-workers, 128 00:07:09,749 --> 00:07:13,829 and he was being considered for the award of Driver of the Quarter. 129 00:07:14,029 --> 00:07:17,349 How about his work schedule? Any idea who his last fare might have been? 130 00:07:17,549 --> 00:07:20,509 Yeah, he started yesterday about noon. 131 00:07:20,709 --> 00:07:22,509 And then, at about 8, he called in 132 00:07:22,709 --> 00:07:25,269 to say that he was going off duty for his dinner break. 133 00:07:25,469 --> 00:07:29,429 At around 9:30, Charlotte received a phone call requesting a pickup, 134 00:07:29,629 --> 00:07:33,469 she called him via radio and told him that there was a fare waiting. 135 00:07:33,669 --> 00:07:35,669 He radioed back that he was in route. 136 00:07:35,869 --> 00:07:39,109 And that was the last I heard from him. 137 00:07:39,309 --> 00:07:42,749 -Did you get a name for that fare? -No. 138 00:07:42,949 --> 00:07:45,229 The guy sounded really out of it. 139 00:07:45,429 --> 00:07:47,989 He wasn't even able to give me an exact address. 140 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:49,909 He couldn't explain where he was, 141 00:07:50,109 --> 00:07:53,509 and he said he was at a payphone and he couldn't read the number. 142 00:07:53,709 --> 00:07:55,309 He gave me enough information 143 00:07:55,509 --> 00:07:57,709 that I knew it was near the convenience store 144 00:07:57,909 --> 00:07:59,189 out on Yucatan Drive. 145 00:07:59,389 --> 00:08:02,589 It's about three blocks from where we found Stephen's cab. 146 00:08:03,789 --> 00:08:08,229 That means the fare that was picked up at that pay phone 147 00:08:08,429 --> 00:08:10,869 would have been the same person that had killed him. 148 00:08:11,069 --> 00:08:13,989 I'm wondering if you can help us. When we found the cab, 149 00:08:14,189 --> 00:08:15,469 the metre was still running. 150 00:08:15,669 --> 00:08:18,069 We shut it off at $53.10. 151 00:08:18,269 --> 00:08:20,789 Do you know how long the car would have to be idling 152 00:08:20,989 --> 00:08:22,429 for the fare to go that high? 153 00:08:22,629 --> 00:08:24,349 Yeah, let me see. 154 00:08:24,549 --> 00:08:28,229 Based on the fare records maintained by the cab company, 155 00:08:28,429 --> 00:08:30,989 the dispatcher was able to determine 156 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:33,909 that the metre had been running for just over three hours 157 00:08:34,109 --> 00:08:35,469 on that particular day. 158 00:08:35,669 --> 00:08:38,309 What makes that significant is that the cab responded 159 00:08:38,509 --> 00:08:40,069 to a request for transportation 160 00:08:40,269 --> 00:08:43,189 three hours before Gaenzle turned off that metre. 161 00:08:43,389 --> 00:08:47,149 -Do you have a recording of the call? -Oh, yeah. We record all our calls. 162 00:08:47,349 --> 00:08:49,589 -Could we get a copy of that? -Give me a minute. 163 00:08:49,789 --> 00:08:53,349 It was imperative to have that, to be able to put voice to a suspect, 164 00:08:53,549 --> 00:08:55,829 ultimately if that suspect can be found. 165 00:08:56,029 --> 00:08:57,669 -Here you go. -Great, thank you. 166 00:08:57,869 --> 00:09:00,629 Can we ask one favour? We need to contact Stephen's family. 167 00:09:00,829 --> 00:09:02,749 Do you have their contact information? 168 00:09:02,949 --> 00:09:04,589 I should have that here. 169 00:09:06,349 --> 00:09:10,909 Here you go. His parents are listed as his emergency contact. 170 00:09:11,109 --> 00:09:13,549 -Oh, thanks. Can I hang onto this? -Sure. 171 00:09:13,749 --> 00:09:16,269 -Get it back to you soon. Thanks. -Mm-hmm. 172 00:09:18,629 --> 00:09:22,229 So now, we were trying to track down Jerry and Mary White. 173 00:09:22,429 --> 00:09:25,029 We stopped at their residence and there was no one there, 174 00:09:25,229 --> 00:09:29,589 and ultimately, it was discovered that they were out of state. 175 00:09:29,789 --> 00:09:32,349 While waiting to hear back from Stephen White's parents, 176 00:09:32,549 --> 00:09:34,349 detectives check in with the coroner. 177 00:09:34,549 --> 00:09:36,149 -Hey, Bowerman. -Detectives. 178 00:09:36,349 --> 00:09:39,629 -Anything interesting in the cab? -Doesn't sound like it. 179 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:41,869 But when they removed the body for autopsy, 180 00:09:42,069 --> 00:09:43,589 found this in his pocket. 181 00:09:45,749 --> 00:09:47,029 When the body was moved, 182 00:09:47,229 --> 00:09:50,349 the coroner would remove anything and everything from the pockets. 183 00:09:50,549 --> 00:09:52,669 He discovered the wallet was still in there. 184 00:09:52,869 --> 00:09:56,269 -Is there any cash in there? -16 bucks and two credit cards. 185 00:09:56,469 --> 00:09:58,869 Whoever did this wasn't looking for money. 186 00:09:59,069 --> 00:10:02,589 Now, we need to think twice that this is actually a robbery, 187 00:10:02,789 --> 00:10:05,149 or if this was a planned murdered. 188 00:10:05,349 --> 00:10:07,349 Lot of possibilities on this one. 189 00:10:07,549 --> 00:10:11,949 You know, I know somebody that might be able to help us with this. 190 00:10:12,149 --> 00:10:14,069 Go home and take a break for a while? 191 00:10:14,269 --> 00:10:16,869 -You sure? -Yeah, I'll call you in a bit. 192 00:10:17,069 --> 00:10:18,509 -Thanks, Bowerman. -You got it. 193 00:10:22,749 --> 00:10:25,749 NARRATOR: Across town at CSPD headquarters, 194 00:10:25,949 --> 00:10:28,709 Sergeant Joe Kenda is prepping for another day on the grind. 195 00:10:28,909 --> 00:10:31,829 I would come in early and I would make three pots of coffee, 196 00:10:32,029 --> 00:10:34,109 because police departments run on coffee. 197 00:10:34,309 --> 00:10:35,989 Just the man I wanted to see. 198 00:10:36,189 --> 00:10:38,909 Steve? What brings you to our neck of the woods? 199 00:10:39,109 --> 00:10:41,629 I've been up all night on a murder. Cab driver, 200 00:10:41,829 --> 00:10:44,789 found in his car over in the Widefield area. 201 00:10:44,989 --> 00:10:48,109 So we start to have a discussion about what this is all about. 202 00:10:48,309 --> 00:10:50,349 We've got a call into his next of kin, 203 00:10:50,549 --> 00:10:52,589 but we haven't heard anything back yet. 204 00:10:52,789 --> 00:10:54,549 Okay. What can I do to help? 205 00:10:55,829 --> 00:10:58,029 As soon as the victim's family is notified, 206 00:10:58,229 --> 00:11:00,869 we'd like to use the CSPD's Crime Stoppers tip line. 207 00:11:01,069 --> 00:11:04,589 Crime Stoppers is a great asset for law enforcement. 208 00:11:04,789 --> 00:11:06,869 A lot of people don't want to become involved. 209 00:11:07,069 --> 00:11:08,349 They can remain anonymous. 210 00:11:08,549 --> 00:11:10,269 We need the public's help on this one. 211 00:11:10,469 --> 00:11:13,149 We thought it was a robbery, but now we're not so sure. 212 00:11:13,349 --> 00:11:15,469 Well, I'm always happy to help. You know that. 213 00:11:15,669 --> 00:11:18,709 Appreciate it, Joe. Thanks again. 214 00:11:18,909 --> 00:11:21,309 The next questions becomes, who is Stephen White, 215 00:11:21,509 --> 00:11:24,909 and who may know who have some issue with him? 216 00:11:26,109 --> 00:11:30,429 Later that afternoon, Gaenzle finally connects with Stephen White's father. 217 00:11:30,629 --> 00:11:34,429 Mr. White, I'm very sorry to have to tell you this. 218 00:11:34,629 --> 00:11:35,909 It doesn't make any sense. 219 00:11:36,109 --> 00:11:38,909 Mr. White expectedly was very distraught 220 00:11:39,109 --> 00:11:41,709 in the news of the murder of his son. 221 00:11:41,909 --> 00:11:46,189 He was very well liked. He graduated out of high school valedictorian. 222 00:11:46,389 --> 00:11:49,069 He went to University of Colorado Boulder, 223 00:11:49,269 --> 00:11:51,789 and gotten a degree in communications. 224 00:11:51,989 --> 00:11:56,829 He had a passion for music, and so he worked part time at KRCC, 225 00:11:57,029 --> 00:12:00,389 which is our local national public radio station. 226 00:12:00,589 --> 00:12:03,189 Hey, this is Stephen White, you're listening to KRCC. 227 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:05,989 I'm gonna be spinning some of Colorado's favourite reggae 228 00:12:06,189 --> 00:12:08,109 for the next few hours. Let's get into it. 229 00:12:10,429 --> 00:12:14,909 Mr. White, do you know who your son primarily associated with? 230 00:12:15,109 --> 00:12:17,069 I mean, he has a number of friends, 231 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:19,909 but you're probably better off asking Victoria. 232 00:12:20,109 --> 00:12:24,469 -Victoria, who is she? -Technically she's still his wife. 233 00:12:24,669 --> 00:12:27,189 His son was married six years before this event, 234 00:12:27,389 --> 00:12:29,069 to a woman named Victoria. 235 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:32,149 They are currently separated, but it's amicable. 236 00:12:32,349 --> 00:12:35,869 Would you happen to know how I can get a hold of her? 237 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:40,469 Yeah, she's an elementary school teacher in the Springs. 238 00:12:40,669 --> 00:12:43,189 Although the father describes the separation as civil, 239 00:12:43,389 --> 00:12:45,789 perhaps there's more to that divorce. 240 00:12:45,989 --> 00:12:47,589 It was crucial, we track her down. 241 00:12:51,269 --> 00:12:53,789 I was always afraid that this was going to happen. 242 00:12:53,989 --> 00:12:58,709 When they got married, she thought the cab driving was a temporary job, 243 00:12:58,909 --> 00:13:01,789 but he just kept driving, and he'd be gone all the time. 244 00:13:01,989 --> 00:13:04,869 Can you share with us where you were around 9:30 last night? 245 00:13:05,069 --> 00:13:08,109 Me? I was with a friend of mine. 246 00:13:09,309 --> 00:13:12,509 -Can I get your friend's name? -His name was Jay Brewer. 247 00:13:12,709 --> 00:13:16,429 She says he's only a friend. She denies any romantic involvement, 248 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:20,349 and they were watching a movie at his residence. 249 00:13:20,549 --> 00:13:22,989 Are you looking at me as a suspect? 250 00:13:23,189 --> 00:13:24,989 -Look, ma'am. -You can forget about it. 251 00:13:25,189 --> 00:13:27,229 I did not have anything to do with this. 252 00:13:27,429 --> 00:13:28,869 How could you even think that? 253 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:33,149 It's nothing personal, we just need to explore all of the avenues. 254 00:13:33,349 --> 00:13:34,749 The wife seems distressed, 255 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:40,629 but she does not have a solid alibi and she can't be ruled out just yet. 256 00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:45,069 After detectives make contact with Stephen's family, 257 00:13:45,269 --> 00:13:49,429 the crime stoppers tip line opens up and quickly delivers a possible lead. 258 00:13:49,629 --> 00:13:53,189 (knocks) I've got a woman in the lobby that claims she knows something 259 00:13:53,389 --> 00:13:56,149 about the murder of that cab driver over in Widefield. 260 00:13:56,349 --> 00:13:59,189 -She'll only talk to you about it. -Bring her in. 261 00:13:59,389 --> 00:14:01,669 That is not unusual unfortunately, 262 00:14:01,869 --> 00:14:05,709 because everyone in Colorado Springs knew who I was and knew my name. 263 00:14:05,909 --> 00:14:09,789 So if they had a police complaint, their neighbour had a barking dog, 264 00:14:09,989 --> 00:14:12,389 or their neighbour had a limb grown over their fence 265 00:14:12,589 --> 00:14:14,669 and they were trespassing on their property, 266 00:14:14,869 --> 00:14:18,589 I wanna talk to Kenda and I don't wanna talk to anybody else. 267 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:22,949 The front desk people are well aware of that. 268 00:14:23,149 --> 00:14:24,749 How you doing? Have a seat. 269 00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:28,429 -Can I get you some coffee? -I'm okay. 270 00:14:28,629 --> 00:14:30,549 What can you tell me about what happened? 271 00:14:30,749 --> 00:14:33,949 Well, I think I know who did it. 272 00:14:34,149 --> 00:14:36,589 I think it's this guy I know named Ken Chambers. 273 00:14:36,789 --> 00:14:39,669 She says, "I know that Stephen has borrowed money from this guy 274 00:14:39,869 --> 00:14:41,189 and hasn't paid him back." 275 00:14:41,389 --> 00:14:43,509 The Sheriff's Department's handling this case. 276 00:14:43,709 --> 00:14:45,109 Tell them what you've told me. 277 00:14:45,309 --> 00:14:49,229 I don't want Chambers to know I'm talking to the cops. 278 00:14:49,429 --> 00:14:51,829 That's not a problem. 279 00:14:52,029 --> 00:14:54,029 So, we've gotten nowhere for four days 280 00:14:54,229 --> 00:14:56,629 and now, maybe we've gotten somewhere. 281 00:14:56,829 --> 00:15:00,509 Who is Mr. Chambers and why is he not getting paid back? 282 00:15:00,709 --> 00:15:02,789 Could that make you angry? Oh, yeah, it could. 283 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:12,119 The El Paso County Sheriff's Department 284 00:15:12,319 --> 00:15:13,759 and the Colorado Springs PD 285 00:15:13,959 --> 00:15:17,319 are jointly investigating the death of Stephen White, a cab driver, 286 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:18,919 and part time disc jockey, 287 00:15:19,119 --> 00:15:20,639 {\an8}and a woman has come forward 288 00:15:20,839 --> 00:15:25,279 naming who she believes is the shooter in this case. 289 00:15:25,479 --> 00:15:28,039 Sgt. Kenda told me that you think this friend of yours 290 00:15:28,239 --> 00:15:30,199 may have killed Stephen White over a debt? 291 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,039 That's what I'm afraid of. I've known Stephen for years, 292 00:15:33,239 --> 00:15:35,759 and he was always borrowing money from everybody. 293 00:15:35,959 --> 00:15:38,999 But I think Ken loaned him a pretty large amount. 294 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:41,679 She thought maybe Ken got tired of waiting 295 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:46,479 and wanted to get vengeance back on Stephen and committed homicide. 296 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,959 After Stephen's murder, I asked Ken, "Did you ever get your money back?" 297 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:52,959 And Ken said, no, he didn't, 298 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:57,479 "I saw him the night he died. He came by my house." 299 00:15:57,679 --> 00:15:58,959 Now, that is interesting. 300 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:03,519 -Do you know where Ken lives? -Yeah, over in Widefield. 301 00:16:03,719 --> 00:16:05,999 Pretty close to where they found Stephen's cab. 302 00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:09,319 This is pretty good. We have money being owed, 303 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:13,479 We have an admission by Mr. Chambers that he sees him that night, 304 00:16:13,679 --> 00:16:16,559 so Gaenzle's next step of course is to find Mr. Chambers 305 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:19,119 and see what he has to say for himself. 306 00:16:21,719 --> 00:16:24,639 It's all just so... weird. 307 00:16:24,839 --> 00:16:27,879 I mean, Stephen was over here like right before he was killed. 308 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:30,959 Ken described that the night that Stephen was killed, 309 00:16:31,159 --> 00:16:33,079 Stephen had come by his home for dinner. 310 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:35,479 We understand you lent him some money? 311 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:37,439 Yeah, money was always tight for him. 312 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:40,079 Over the past years, I helped him out a few times. 313 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:42,759 Ken said, we've been friends for a long time. 314 00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,159 I never really cared if he paid me back or not, 315 00:16:45,359 --> 00:16:48,199 so we go from what seems to be such a promising lead 316 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:51,359 that actually goes up in smoke in front of Gaenzle. 317 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:54,759 If you ask me, all his money problems can be traced back to his wife. 318 00:16:54,959 --> 00:16:56,359 She was bringing him down. 319 00:16:56,559 --> 00:16:59,839 Mr. Chambers is not a big fan of Stephen's wife. 320 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,679 In his opinion, Stephen worked several jobs 321 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:05,239 to pay his wife's way through grad school 322 00:17:05,439 --> 00:17:07,199 to get a master's degree in education, 323 00:17:07,399 --> 00:17:09,919 and all the money problems emanated from that. 324 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,799 He and Victoria recently separated. 325 00:17:11,999 --> 00:17:14,679 Stephen told me she was cheating on him. 326 00:17:14,879 --> 00:17:17,319 Said he found love letters from some guy from school. 327 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:19,519 You happen to know the name? 328 00:17:19,719 --> 00:17:24,639 I think it was Brewer? Jay Brewer. 329 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:26,359 The reason Gaenzle is interested 330 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:29,399 is he remembers that when Victoria spoke with him, 331 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:32,639 she told him she was with a friend named Jay Brewer, 332 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:34,279 and they were watching a movie. 333 00:17:34,479 --> 00:17:36,719 So, Mr. Chambers looked very interesting, 334 00:17:36,919 --> 00:17:40,039 but now, Jay Brewer looks even more interesting. 335 00:17:40,239 --> 00:17:42,519 Okay, thanks for your help. 336 00:17:43,719 --> 00:17:46,479 Is it possible that Jay Brewer wanted to remove 337 00:17:46,679 --> 00:17:49,039 his girlfriend's husband from the equation? 338 00:17:49,239 --> 00:17:50,839 Detectives waste no time 339 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:53,519 tracking down an address for their new suspect. 340 00:17:53,719 --> 00:17:56,159 -Excuse me. -Can I help you? 341 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,559 -You Jay Brewer? -Yeah. 342 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:02,879 -You know a Victoria White? -Yeah, I know Victoria. 343 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:05,159 We took a class together at Colorado College. 344 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,919 How would you describe your relationship with Victoria? 345 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,399 We're just friends. That's all. 346 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:12,439 The first thing the average person does 347 00:18:12,639 --> 00:18:14,599 is distance himself from any romance. 348 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:17,679 No one likes to admit their romantic involvement with anyone 349 00:18:17,879 --> 00:18:20,879 because it puts them in the middle of things 350 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:24,239 She may have had feelings for me, but we didn't have a thing, okay? 351 00:18:24,439 --> 00:18:26,759 Can you tell us what you were doing Thursday night? 352 00:18:26,959 --> 00:18:29,559 You think I had something to do with her husband's death? 353 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:31,319 Man, you out of your mind, man. 354 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,479 Okay, would you mind answering the question, please? 355 00:18:34,679 --> 00:18:36,959 -I was with Victoria. -And...? 356 00:18:37,159 --> 00:18:39,599 We watched a movie, that's all. 357 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:43,839 He says at 9:30, they stop at a movie rental location to rent a movie. 358 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:48,679 -You have any proof? -I might. Let me check. 359 00:18:48,879 --> 00:18:51,319 At this point, anything is possible. 360 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:56,239 If Victoria and Jay are involved in an extra-marital affair, 361 00:18:56,439 --> 00:18:58,239 Jay could have committed the homicide 362 00:18:58,439 --> 00:19:00,479 and Victoria could have given him an alibi. 363 00:19:00,679 --> 00:19:02,479 Here you go. 364 00:19:02,679 --> 00:19:06,119 Mr. Brewer produces a receipt from a video rental place 365 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:10,519 that's date and time stamped that matches what he's been saying. 366 00:19:10,719 --> 00:19:16,119 -We appreciate your cooperation. -Yeah, right. 367 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:19,359 So, for now, they're not considered suspects. 368 00:19:20,719 --> 00:19:23,919 Later that afternoon, Gaenzle regroups with Kenda. 369 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,799 So you haven't made much headway on a suspect? 370 00:19:27,639 --> 00:19:30,999 Not really. Every lead we had relating to his personal life 371 00:19:31,199 --> 00:19:32,959 seems to just go up in smoke. 372 00:19:33,159 --> 00:19:35,999 Gaenzle tells me we're not finding a personal motive. 373 00:19:36,199 --> 00:19:39,999 He is very concerned that they're not gonna get to the bottom of this. 374 00:19:40,199 --> 00:19:43,959 -Maybe it wasn't robbery after all. -I guess it's possible. 375 00:19:44,159 --> 00:19:45,599 We contacted the bank 376 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,399 and found he'd made a deposit at 4:00 that afternoon. 377 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,079 From 4:00 to 8:00, when he also was driving, 378 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:53,919 he could've had more fares, 379 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:59,079 and thus could have some more money than the $16 we found in his wallet. 380 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:02,959 If it is robbery, our suspect pool just gets deeper. 381 00:20:03,159 --> 00:20:05,959 You've got that audio recording of the last fare, don't you? 382 00:20:06,159 --> 00:20:08,159 Yeah. -Well, if you're thinking 383 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,399 the caller's your killer, then find out who that voice belongs to. 384 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,479 At this point in the investigation, the main piece of evidence we had 385 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:19,079 was the audio tape that the caller made into Yellow Cab. 386 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:23,399 So, we made various copies and went back out to the neighbourhood 387 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:25,959 in a hope that someone would recognise that voice. 388 00:20:27,999 --> 00:20:31,479 I'm going to play a recording of a voice for you, and can you tell me 389 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:33,879 -if you've ever heard it before? -Sure. 390 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:37,799 Just like you to listen to the voice and tell me if you recognise it. 391 00:20:39,519 --> 00:20:41,239 I need somebody to come pick me up. 392 00:20:41,439 --> 00:20:44,919 I don't know about the address, but I can give you the intersection. 393 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,839 No, I've never heard that voice before. I'm sorry. 394 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:49,559 -I've never. -Not at all? 395 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:51,599 Thank you very much for your time. 396 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:53,439 After a few hours on the street, 397 00:20:53,639 --> 00:20:56,759 Gaenzle's unusual plan finally pays off. 398 00:20:56,959 --> 00:20:59,199 Yeah, I think I know who that is. 399 00:20:59,399 --> 00:21:02,879 There's a company that operates nearby and they do shift work. 400 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,279 One guy said, you know, that sounds to me like Tyler Johnson. 401 00:21:06,479 --> 00:21:09,079 -Who's Tyler Johnson? -He used to work here. 402 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:11,279 Guy would come to work drunk half the time. 403 00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:14,519 He was always causing trouble. I finally had to fire him. 404 00:21:14,719 --> 00:21:17,439 He also stated that, on the night of the murder, 405 00:21:17,639 --> 00:21:21,839 he had seen him at a local bar, and he was highly intoxicated, 406 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:24,479 belligerent he wouldn't put it pass him 407 00:21:24,679 --> 00:21:27,199 being involved in a major crime. 408 00:21:27,399 --> 00:21:30,239 Any chance you recall what time it was when he left? 409 00:21:30,439 --> 00:21:34,079 Well, I left not long after he did, and I got home about 10. 410 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:36,639 So, it must have been about 9:30 or so. 411 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:39,319 We know the call into Yellow Cab was at 9:30. 412 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:43,239 So, this individual then became a person of interest. 413 00:21:43,439 --> 00:21:45,239 Any idea where I can find Mr. Johnson? 414 00:21:45,439 --> 00:21:48,959 I could look his address up for you in our employee records if you want. 415 00:21:49,159 --> 00:21:51,199 I'd really appreciate that. 416 00:21:51,399 --> 00:21:54,359 Here we have a guy who apparently likes to drink. 417 00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:56,679 He has an extremely bad temper, 418 00:21:56,879 --> 00:21:59,839 and he sounds just like the voice on the recording. 419 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:04,039 Is Tyler Johnson our man? Maybe. So, let's go see. 420 00:22:10,189 --> 00:22:12,709 The El Paso County Sheriff's Department and the PD 421 00:22:12,909 --> 00:22:15,189 are investigating the death of Stephen White 422 00:22:15,389 --> 00:22:17,149 who was found shot to death in his cab. 423 00:22:17,349 --> 00:22:19,229 Yeah, I need somebody to come pick me up. 424 00:22:19,429 --> 00:22:21,229 We have recently obtained information 425 00:22:21,429 --> 00:22:23,709 that a disgruntled former employee of a business 426 00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:27,189 close to the crime scene is a potential suspect. 427 00:22:27,389 --> 00:22:29,389 NARRATOR: When Detectives Gaenzle and Finely 428 00:22:29,589 --> 00:22:31,269 travel to the home of Tyler Johnson, 429 00:22:31,469 --> 00:22:34,629 their potential suspect is nowhere in sight. 430 00:22:34,829 --> 00:22:37,749 I don't know where he is, and I don't care neither. 431 00:22:37,949 --> 00:22:40,109 The wife reports she kicked him out a week ago 432 00:22:40,309 --> 00:22:43,429 ever since he got fired for his drinking and his attitude, 433 00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:46,829 and then, he assaulted her and that was the final step. 434 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:52,349 You wouldn't happen to know where he was the night of April 26, would you? 435 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:55,869 Oh, yeah, he came to my door begging for me to take him back that night. 436 00:22:56,069 --> 00:22:57,389 I wouldn't let him in. 437 00:22:57,589 --> 00:22:59,509 She closed the door on him and has no idea 438 00:22:59,709 --> 00:23:02,629 as to where he went or what he did after he met with her. 439 00:23:02,829 --> 00:23:06,389 -What kind of car does Tyler drive? -Tyler don't have no car. 440 00:23:06,589 --> 00:23:09,669 He like taking cabs everywhere. Damn fool. 441 00:23:12,029 --> 00:23:14,109 Do you think he's capable of killing someone? 442 00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:16,149 I don't know. 443 00:23:17,949 --> 00:23:22,229 When he's drinking, maybe. 444 00:23:22,429 --> 00:23:26,709 So here we have someone who moves around by taxicab, 445 00:23:26,909 --> 00:23:30,629 who is in a foul mood after his wife kicks him out for the final time. 446 00:23:30,829 --> 00:23:34,949 Is he a suspect? I would say he has suspect tattooed on his forehead. 447 00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:37,029 Do you know how we can reach Tyler? 448 00:23:37,229 --> 00:23:39,829 I could talk to his sister. She'll let him know. 449 00:23:40,029 --> 00:23:41,549 We'd appreciate that. 450 00:23:41,749 --> 00:23:44,189 (tense music fades out) 451 00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:48,749 Thankfully, Gaenzle won't have to wait very long 452 00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:50,749 to make Tyler Johnson's acquaintance. 453 00:23:50,949 --> 00:23:54,349 Detective. There's a man here to see you. His name's Tyler Johnson. 454 00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:57,269 -Really, where? -He's in the lobby. 455 00:23:57,469 --> 00:24:01,629 I thought to myself, this is it. This is our guy, outstanding. 456 00:24:03,389 --> 00:24:05,069 I understand you are looking for me? 457 00:24:06,469 --> 00:24:09,469 As soon as he opened his mouth, all the air went out of my sails. 458 00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:12,589 Knowing what the caller sounded like on the audio tape, 459 00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:14,189 it was two different people. 460 00:24:14,389 --> 00:24:18,189 Yeah, would you mind coming back to my office for a couple minutes? 461 00:24:18,389 --> 00:24:21,349 It was a let-down, but I still needed to speak with him 462 00:24:21,549 --> 00:24:25,789 to find out what he was doing during the time frame Stephen was killed. 463 00:24:25,989 --> 00:24:27,589 Yeah, I ain't even gonna lie. 464 00:24:27,789 --> 00:24:31,709 Sometimes when I drink too much, I can lose control. 465 00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:34,149 He admits that he does drink heavily. 466 00:24:34,349 --> 00:24:36,709 He does become aggressive and belligerent, 467 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:39,669 the night of the murder, he openly admits he was at a bar 468 00:24:39,869 --> 00:24:42,309 close to where Stephen's taxi was found. 469 00:24:42,509 --> 00:24:45,989 I left the bar around 9:30, and started walking home. 470 00:24:46,189 --> 00:24:49,869 I tried to call my wife to see if she'd let me come back in, 471 00:24:50,069 --> 00:24:53,229 -but she wasn't having none of that. -What'd you do after that? 472 00:24:53,429 --> 00:24:55,629 I had the keys to my wife's car in my pocket, 473 00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:58,909 so I crawled in, and I passed out. 474 00:24:59,109 --> 00:25:00,549 {\an8}Talk about hitting the skids, 475 00:25:00,749 --> 00:25:03,709 he admitted he was in a pretty rotten place in his life. 476 00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:06,989 I know I gotta do better if she's ever gonna let me come back home. 477 00:25:07,189 --> 00:25:08,829 Sure. 478 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:13,469 Tyler's story followed an entire straight line of logic. 479 00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:18,149 So from his straightforwardness and just gut instinct, 480 00:25:18,349 --> 00:25:20,229 he was ruled out as a suspect. 481 00:25:22,749 --> 00:25:26,029 After the sheriff's office strikes out with yet another suspect, 482 00:25:26,229 --> 00:25:28,069 Kenda swings for the fences. 483 00:25:28,269 --> 00:25:31,949 When you are looking for information and you're running out of sources, 484 00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:34,749 you try to widen your base. 485 00:25:34,949 --> 00:25:38,629 Hey, Ann. I was wondering if you guys might be willing to help us out. 486 00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:41,789 We need more people to become interested in this problem, 487 00:25:41,989 --> 00:25:44,029 who is this guy. So to accomplish that, 488 00:25:44,229 --> 00:25:47,469 the sheriff's department and the PD contact Channel 5 news 489 00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:51,069 to see if they would be willing to do a re-enactment of the event. 490 00:25:53,509 --> 00:25:57,549 if you wanted to get the word out, and ask for public help, 491 00:25:57,749 --> 00:25:59,509 that was really the way to do it. 492 00:25:59,709 --> 00:26:01,429 Right behind me here on Yucatan Drive 493 00:26:01,629 --> 00:26:04,509 is where Stephen White was shot to death in his taxicab. 494 00:26:04,709 --> 00:26:07,509 When we come back, we're going to recreate his brutal murder 495 00:26:07,709 --> 00:26:11,189 and let you know how you can help with the investigation. 496 00:26:12,509 --> 00:26:14,349 -That was great, Ann. -Thank you. 497 00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:16,589 Working with Ann Ervin was outstanding. 498 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:19,109 She worked hand in hand with law enforcement. 499 00:26:19,309 --> 00:26:21,149 So, where did the Deputy enter from? 500 00:26:21,349 --> 00:26:22,709 Like you see the car here, 501 00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:26,149 he pulled up directly behind the cab, approached on the driver's side. 502 00:26:26,349 --> 00:26:28,029 -Okay, great. Thank you. -You bet. 503 00:26:28,229 --> 00:26:31,509 Oscar, can we figure out where we're gonna get sticks up over here? 504 00:26:32,869 --> 00:26:36,189 We did not often do crime recreation. 505 00:26:36,389 --> 00:26:38,229 This really had the community bothered, 506 00:26:38,429 --> 00:26:40,589 so we were delighted to be of help. 507 00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:43,589 Hey, Joe, so do you think this'll work? 508 00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:45,749 Crazier things have certainly happened. 509 00:26:45,949 --> 00:26:47,269 Television is powerful, 510 00:26:47,469 --> 00:26:50,549 if you can get Channel 5 to show this on the evening news, 511 00:26:50,749 --> 00:26:52,269 you can generate new leads. 512 00:26:52,469 --> 00:26:53,749 Ann, I almost forgot, 513 00:26:53,949 --> 00:26:56,709 we'd also like to get you a copy of the actual phone call 514 00:26:56,909 --> 00:26:59,789 made to the cab company right before Mr. White was killed. 515 00:26:59,989 --> 00:27:02,189 I had worked in quite a few cities in news 516 00:27:02,389 --> 00:27:04,469 before I moved back to Colorado Springs, 517 00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:06,389 and I would tell you, hands down, 518 00:27:06,589 --> 00:27:08,549 I always felt like Colorado Springs police 519 00:27:08,749 --> 00:27:11,589 were some of the best trained, best educated, 520 00:27:11,789 --> 00:27:14,549 and easiest to work with I had run across. 521 00:27:14,749 --> 00:27:18,709 They were very non-threatened, they tended to be extremely helpful. 522 00:27:18,909 --> 00:27:20,469 They'd give you what they could, 523 00:27:20,669 --> 00:27:23,789 and therefore, when they asked a favour of us, 524 00:27:23,989 --> 00:27:27,509 we were typically very keen to do what they needed. 525 00:27:27,709 --> 00:27:30,309 And they didn't do it very much. They did not abuse that. 526 00:27:30,509 --> 00:27:33,709 So, here was a really amicable relationship, 527 00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:36,429 and we were generally very pleased to be asked. 528 00:27:36,629 --> 00:27:39,349 We believe the voice on the recording might be the killer. 529 00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:42,509 -That would be great, thank you. -No, thank you. 530 00:27:45,189 --> 00:27:48,149 Minutes after the re-enactment airs on the nightly news, 531 00:27:48,349 --> 00:27:50,709 the phones at CSPD start ringing. 532 00:27:50,909 --> 00:27:54,069 A confidential informant comes forward through Crime Stoppers 533 00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:56,269 and said, "I watched Channel 5 tonight, 534 00:27:56,469 --> 00:27:58,749 and I've got something to tell you." 535 00:27:58,949 --> 00:28:00,509 I know who shot the cab driver. 536 00:28:00,709 --> 00:28:03,509 A reliable informant has come forward with information 537 00:28:03,709 --> 00:28:06,709 providing a first name of someone he believes is the killer 538 00:28:06,909 --> 00:28:10,309 of our part time disc jockey and cab driver Stephen White. 539 00:28:10,509 --> 00:28:14,709 Kenda convinces the informant to meet with detectives down at the station. 540 00:28:14,909 --> 00:28:18,829 So this person you claim shot the cab driver is named Precious? 541 00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:21,869 -Is that male or a female? -It's a dude, a black dude. 542 00:28:22,069 --> 00:28:24,109 I have to admit, never in my life, 543 00:28:24,309 --> 00:28:27,909 would have imagined a killer with the first name of Precious. 544 00:28:28,109 --> 00:28:30,309 Precious is his real name, not a nickname. 545 00:28:30,509 --> 00:28:31,909 I don't know his last name. 546 00:28:32,109 --> 00:28:34,629 What makes you think he's the shooter? 547 00:28:34,829 --> 00:28:36,389 On the night that cabbie got shot, 548 00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:39,789 I saw Precious and his brother. They were partying pretty hard. 549 00:28:42,029 --> 00:28:43,909 -Hey, man. -What's up? 550 00:28:44,109 --> 00:28:47,349 He was at a party when Precious shows up. 551 00:28:47,549 --> 00:28:49,389 -What's up? -How you doing, man? 552 00:28:49,589 --> 00:28:53,789 What's up, what's up? How we doing, man? 553 00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:57,149 Through the course of the evening, the partygoers along with Precious 554 00:28:57,349 --> 00:28:59,909 are ingesting cocaine. 555 00:29:00,109 --> 00:29:03,069 He started to get completely geeked out on cocaine. 556 00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:05,589 Hit that (bleep), let's go, man! 557 00:29:05,789 --> 00:29:08,229 That's it, we out. 558 00:29:08,429 --> 00:29:13,069 -Yo man, why you take the last of it? -Bro, get your cheap ass out of here. 559 00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:16,909 -I paid for it, so I finish it. -What's that supposed to mean? 560 00:29:17,109 --> 00:29:19,829 Precious, relax, you're acting like a little (bleep). 561 00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:22,189 Hey, man, what the (bleep) you say? 562 00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:27,349 Don't disrespect me like that, man! Say something! What's up now, fool? 563 00:29:27,549 --> 00:29:29,309 Precious becomes uncontrollable 564 00:29:29,509 --> 00:29:32,389 and was trying to get in a fight with his own brother. 565 00:29:32,589 --> 00:29:34,149 Do something, man! 566 00:29:34,349 --> 00:29:36,469 -Precious, chill out! -No, man, he talking! 567 00:29:36,669 --> 00:29:39,109 Get him out of here! I don't care if he's my brother! 568 00:29:39,309 --> 00:29:42,509 It was very apparent this would go bad quick if he had stayed. 569 00:29:42,709 --> 00:29:46,669 So, Precious does leave with another partygoer Marcus Melville. 570 00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:48,189 I saw Marcus the next day, 571 00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:51,909 and he said that Precious pulled a gun on him after they left the party. 572 00:29:53,469 --> 00:29:55,269 -Yo, man, you got some blow, man? -What? 573 00:29:55,469 --> 00:29:58,069 -Yo, you got some blow? -Yeah, chill out with all that. 574 00:29:58,269 --> 00:29:59,749 -Give it to me, man. -What? 575 00:29:59,949 --> 00:30:03,509 Give it to me, man, I'm serious! Let's go! 576 00:30:03,709 --> 00:30:06,069 Yeah, yeah. 577 00:30:06,269 --> 00:30:08,149 Marcus tells the C.I. he is pissed. 578 00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:11,789 This guy was supposed to be my friend and he robs me of my cocaine. 579 00:30:11,989 --> 00:30:14,989 I saw that re-enactment of the shooting on the news. 580 00:30:15,189 --> 00:30:16,709 Where the cab was, 581 00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:20,149 I think that's where Marcus said Precious took off running. 582 00:30:20,349 --> 00:30:25,029 The C.I. described this location, and it was in a very close proximity 583 00:30:25,229 --> 00:30:28,789 from the intersection of a convenience store 584 00:30:28,989 --> 00:30:30,389 where a pay phone was at. 585 00:30:30,589 --> 00:30:33,709 Did Marcus say anything about the gun that Precious pulled on him? 586 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:36,589 Precious picked it up at a pawn shop a few days 587 00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:39,749 -before this all went down. -I'll have my guys look into that. 588 00:30:39,949 --> 00:30:43,309 If you own a pawn shop and you are a firearms dealer, 589 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:45,789 if you sell a gun, and everything about this gun, 590 00:30:45,989 --> 00:30:47,389 and everything about the buyer 591 00:30:47,589 --> 00:30:51,109 is forwarded to the pawn shop detail of the police department. 592 00:30:51,309 --> 00:30:54,389 Thanks so much for coming forward with this. 593 00:30:54,589 --> 00:30:56,949 -I'll call you when I know something. -Thanks, Joe. 594 00:30:57,149 --> 00:31:01,069 It's a matter of hand searching the gun sales in the past week or so, 595 00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:03,229 and look for somebody named Precious. 596 00:31:03,429 --> 00:31:06,229 While Kenda checks for information on the weapon, 597 00:31:06,429 --> 00:31:08,269 Gaenzle has a chat with Marcus Melville. 598 00:31:08,469 --> 00:31:11,549 I don't know who told you I was at that party, but it isn't true. 599 00:31:11,749 --> 00:31:15,029 Melville adamantly denied any knowledge of the party 600 00:31:15,229 --> 00:31:16,709 or even knowing Precious. 601 00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:19,829 So nobody pulled a gun on you and took your cocaine? 602 00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:22,269 I don't know what you're talking about. 603 00:31:22,469 --> 00:31:25,309 Never in my career, someone to admit they had drugs stolen. 604 00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:27,789 -That's how you want to play it? -Got it twisted. 605 00:31:27,989 --> 00:31:30,189 I ain't playing nothing. 606 00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:31,869 NARRATOR: A couple blocks away, 607 00:31:32,069 --> 00:31:36,149 Kenda is hoping to have better luck with CSPD's pawn unit. 608 00:31:36,349 --> 00:31:38,749 -Any luck, Sam? -Yeah, actually, 609 00:31:38,949 --> 00:31:42,629 we found a purchase for a firearm from one Precious Thompson 610 00:31:42,829 --> 00:31:46,189 about a week before Stephen White was killed. 611 00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:51,509 The best part is, the gun was a .44 revolver. 612 00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:54,109 Precious Thompson has a record as long as your arm, 613 00:31:54,309 --> 00:31:59,309 and this gun file says that he bought a .44 Magnum pistol. 614 00:31:59,509 --> 00:32:02,349 We have Precious Thompson with the right gun. 615 00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:05,349 -Do you mind if I take this? -I made it for you, go ahead. 616 00:32:05,549 --> 00:32:06,989 I appreciate it, thank you. 617 00:32:08,669 --> 00:32:13,029 So now, Detective Finley and myself went to the pawn shop. 618 00:32:14,189 --> 00:32:17,709 The sales clerk did remember the transaction. 619 00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:20,029 Precious? Hard to forget a name like that. 620 00:32:20,229 --> 00:32:23,869 -Do you have the form he filled out? -Yeah, let me see. 621 00:32:24,069 --> 00:32:26,229 When you buy a gun from a licensed gun dealer, 622 00:32:26,429 --> 00:32:28,189 you fill out a government form. 623 00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:30,309 One of the questions on that form is, 624 00:32:30,509 --> 00:32:32,469 have you ever been convicted of a crime 625 00:32:32,669 --> 00:32:36,269 punishable by imprisonment in a specified number of years. 626 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,629 Here you go. 627 00:32:39,829 --> 00:32:41,229 (dramatic music plays) 628 00:32:46,109 --> 00:32:47,389 Well, that's interesting. 629 00:32:47,589 --> 00:32:50,789 I was told Precious Thompson did some serious jail time. 630 00:32:50,989 --> 00:32:52,669 He didn't put that on that form. 631 00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:57,989 That is a federal offence to lie on a gun purchase form. 632 00:32:58,189 --> 00:33:02,149 He's committed a crime. We can arrest him right now for that. 633 00:33:02,349 --> 00:33:03,749 (siren wailing) 634 00:33:03,949 --> 00:33:06,669 So, at that point, an arrest warrant was obtained 635 00:33:06,869 --> 00:33:08,669 knowing his previous criminal history. 636 00:33:08,869 --> 00:33:11,549 The decision was made to surround his house 637 00:33:11,749 --> 00:33:14,789 and try to talk Precious out of his residence. 638 00:33:14,989 --> 00:33:17,069 Everyone knows their roles, right? 639 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:19,469 See if we can get him to come out peacefully. 640 00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:20,949 If not, we'll go to plan B. 641 00:33:21,149 --> 00:33:25,989 When you have an individual believed to be responsible for a homicide 642 00:33:26,189 --> 00:33:28,869 that has a long and deep criminal history, 643 00:33:29,069 --> 00:33:31,629 the likelihood is great that there's gonna be gunfire 644 00:33:31,829 --> 00:33:33,869 when you try to arrest someone like that. 645 00:33:34,069 --> 00:33:37,149 Precious Thompson, it's the police. Come out with your hands up! 646 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:40,069 Sergeant Kenda had called to come out surrender himself. 647 00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:42,029 What you all want, man? 648 00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:46,269 -(bottle crashes) -(bleep) 649 00:33:46,469 --> 00:33:48,829 You could see him storming through the house 650 00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:50,749 breaking things, slamming things. 651 00:33:50,949 --> 00:33:52,269 (glass crashes) 652 00:33:52,469 --> 00:33:55,709 -Damn pigs! -It's over Mr. Thompson! 653 00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:58,869 If you don't come out right now, we're coming in after you! 654 00:33:59,069 --> 00:34:01,949 This could go a little ugly, but we're prepared for that. 655 00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:05,309 Once we enter that home, it's gonna be very clear to Mr. Thompson. 656 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:11,579 He has two choices, surrender or die. 657 00:34:11,619 --> 00:34:13,259 (tense music playing) 658 00:34:13,459 --> 00:34:15,219 -It's over Mr. Thompson! -(glass crash) 659 00:34:15,419 --> 00:34:18,539 So, here we could have determined the identity of a person 660 00:34:18,739 --> 00:34:22,779 who is responsible for shooting Stephen White to death in his cab. 661 00:34:22,979 --> 00:34:25,699 He's no longer a voice on a recording. 662 00:34:25,899 --> 00:34:29,179 He is Precious Thompson, and we are about to arrest him for murder. 663 00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:30,779 (tense music continues) 664 00:34:30,979 --> 00:34:33,259 If you don't come out, we're coming in after you! 665 00:34:33,459 --> 00:34:36,459 Yo, get out of my place, man! What you all trying to do, man? 666 00:34:41,939 --> 00:34:44,619 Put your hands in the air. 667 00:34:44,819 --> 00:34:47,619 -What you all pigs want, man? -Step forward! 668 00:34:48,979 --> 00:34:50,739 -Man, I ain't do nothing! -Keep moving! 669 00:34:50,939 --> 00:34:54,499 -You guys trying to frame me! -Stop there, down on your knees! 670 00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,099 Do it now! 671 00:35:00,259 --> 00:35:01,699 Precious is put in a police car 672 00:35:01,899 --> 00:35:03,899 and transported to the sheriff's department. 673 00:35:04,099 --> 00:35:07,859 GAENZLE: And immediately, there was a search warrant for his residence. 674 00:35:08,059 --> 00:35:11,739 The most important aspect was a firearm. 675 00:35:12,939 --> 00:35:15,819 Specifically, the firearm that was used to kill Stephen White. 676 00:35:17,219 --> 00:35:20,019 You want as much evidence as you can get your hands on, 677 00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:23,699 and what we want is that gun. We assume it's here, 678 00:35:23,899 --> 00:35:27,419 because people like Mr. Thompson, who are criminals, 679 00:35:27,619 --> 00:35:31,659 when they get their hands on a gun, they reserve it for further use. 680 00:35:31,859 --> 00:35:33,659 They rarely throw it away. 681 00:35:33,859 --> 00:35:36,979 They'll conceal it maybe, but they'll keep it. 682 00:35:37,179 --> 00:35:41,179 So, investigators began a systematic and methodical search of that house. 683 00:35:41,379 --> 00:35:45,939 And I can say, we searched every drawer, every vent, every crack, 684 00:35:46,139 --> 00:35:49,299 every nook, everything was searched. 685 00:35:55,579 --> 00:35:57,219 Over the next several hours, 686 00:35:57,419 --> 00:36:00,779 officers methodically comb through every room of the house. 687 00:36:00,979 --> 00:36:04,579 That house was turned upside down. Everything was searched. 688 00:36:04,779 --> 00:36:07,259 Sir, I think I found something. 689 00:36:07,459 --> 00:36:12,059 We found the receipt for the purchase of the 44-calibre revolver. 690 00:36:13,299 --> 00:36:14,859 What do you got? 691 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,539 -Let's find that gun. -Sounds like a plan. 692 00:36:26,579 --> 00:36:28,339 Maybe he ditched it somewhere else. 693 00:36:30,739 --> 00:36:33,059 We haven't checked there yet. 694 00:36:33,259 --> 00:36:36,739 -Under the plants? -Yeah, you never know. 695 00:36:36,939 --> 00:36:39,659 Gaenzle sees three large potted plants, 696 00:36:39,859 --> 00:36:43,579 and he walked over there and started digging through the dirt. 697 00:36:43,779 --> 00:36:45,379 Bingo. 698 00:36:47,019 --> 00:36:48,579 Well, I'll be damned. 699 00:36:48,779 --> 00:36:52,019 -Can you make out the numbers? -It's a match. 700 00:36:52,219 --> 00:36:55,859 We check the serial number. It is the same gun purchased 701 00:36:56,059 --> 00:36:59,219 a few days before the murder at the pawn shop. 702 00:37:00,379 --> 00:37:02,499 Gaenzle returns to the sheriff's office to try 703 00:37:02,699 --> 00:37:06,259 to extract a confession from precious Thompson. 704 00:37:06,459 --> 00:37:08,579 Mr. Thompson. I need you to tell me 705 00:37:08,779 --> 00:37:11,499 about the murder of cab driver Stephen White. 706 00:37:11,699 --> 00:37:13,739 I don't know nothing about that. 707 00:37:13,939 --> 00:37:16,539 Okay, what can you tell me about the .44 calibre handgun 708 00:37:16,739 --> 00:37:20,139 -you bought at a pawn shop? -I bought it for protection. So what? 709 00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:22,059 It's my second amendment right. 710 00:37:22,259 --> 00:37:24,379 He did admit buying the gun, 711 00:37:24,579 --> 00:37:27,019 but he stated it was for his own personal protection. 712 00:37:27,219 --> 00:37:28,739 Well, here's the thing, Precious. 713 00:37:28,939 --> 00:37:30,899 You lied on the application to purchase it. 714 00:37:31,099 --> 00:37:32,859 -That's a felony. -What? Come on, man. 715 00:37:33,059 --> 00:37:35,539 That's why your bond's been set at $50,000. 716 00:37:35,739 --> 00:37:38,259 You tripping! Fifty grand? Man, that's some (bleep)! 717 00:37:38,459 --> 00:37:40,779 Trying to lock me up for something I didn't do! 718 00:37:40,979 --> 00:37:43,979 -I'm done talking to you! -You have that right. 719 00:37:44,179 --> 00:37:47,899 He became enraged, he didn't want to talk with investigators anymore. 720 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,659 Without a confession, Gaenzle looks for other ways 721 00:37:50,859 --> 00:37:52,139 to cement a conviction. 722 00:37:52,339 --> 00:37:56,419 It's absolutely imperative that we put Precious in that cab, 723 00:37:56,619 --> 00:37:59,739 making that phone call and committing that murder. 724 00:37:59,939 --> 00:38:02,379 So I can come up with a plan to prove 725 00:38:02,579 --> 00:38:05,459 that Precious is the one that made the call. 726 00:38:08,539 --> 00:38:10,739 Okay, Precious, we're going to make this simple. 727 00:38:12,539 --> 00:38:15,179 All you gotta do is say what's on the note. 728 00:38:15,379 --> 00:38:17,339 -Are you serious, man? -You ready? 729 00:38:17,539 --> 00:38:19,739 He was given a transcript of what was said 730 00:38:19,939 --> 00:38:22,539 by the caller and he needed to read that verbatim. 731 00:38:22,739 --> 00:38:24,539 He dials the yellow cab number, 732 00:38:24,739 --> 00:38:28,099 and they record it at yellow cab using the same equipment. 733 00:38:30,299 --> 00:38:32,259 I need someone to come pick me up. 734 00:38:32,459 --> 00:38:36,139 I ain't sure of the address, but I know the intersection. 735 00:38:38,339 --> 00:38:40,979 Thank you. Wasn't so bad, was it? 736 00:38:42,899 --> 00:38:46,099 Detectives send out the new recording and the original call 737 00:38:46,299 --> 00:38:48,019 for comparative analysis. 738 00:38:48,219 --> 00:38:51,299 We have that sent to a laboratory in Los Angeles 739 00:38:51,499 --> 00:38:54,019 to see if they could make a determination 740 00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:55,939 that that voice is one in the same. 741 00:38:56,139 --> 00:38:58,339 Yeah, I need somebody to come pick me up. 742 00:38:58,539 --> 00:39:02,459 I don't know the address, but I can give you the intersection. 743 00:39:02,659 --> 00:39:05,259 Eventually, the report comes back from these people 744 00:39:05,459 --> 00:39:08,579 that it is with a high degree of confidence they say, 745 00:39:08,779 --> 00:39:10,419 that the voice on the original tape 746 00:39:10,619 --> 00:39:14,059 is in fact the voice of Precious Thompson. 747 00:39:14,259 --> 00:39:17,059 When confronted with the vocal confirmation, 748 00:39:17,259 --> 00:39:20,659 Precious finally gives detectives what they've been looking for. 749 00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:25,619 Yeah, I shot the boy. I was high and drunk, and I needed the cash. 750 00:39:25,819 --> 00:39:28,019 -Is that what you all wanna hear? -That'll do. 751 00:39:28,219 --> 00:39:32,619 I just want you all out of my face, so I can go back to prison and relax. 752 00:39:32,819 --> 00:39:35,579 Precious Thompson is sent to the Colorado State Penitentiary 753 00:39:35,779 --> 00:39:38,059 where he then can apparently relax. 754 00:39:39,379 --> 00:39:41,939 Based on the evidence and Thompson's confession, 755 00:39:42,139 --> 00:39:44,739 Kenda and Gaenzle have a clear idea of what happened 756 00:39:44,939 --> 00:39:46,259 on the night of the murder. 757 00:39:46,459 --> 00:39:49,139 Precious Thompson is heavily using cocaine. 758 00:39:49,339 --> 00:39:52,899 And the use of cocaine induces a feeling of paranoia 759 00:39:53,099 --> 00:39:56,379 and also enhances your level of anger and rage. 760 00:39:56,579 --> 00:39:59,699 -Do something, man! Do something! -Precious, chill out, man. 761 00:39:59,899 --> 00:40:02,819 Get out, bro. Take your crazy ass somewhere else. 762 00:40:03,019 --> 00:40:05,459 Precious Thompson is raging on cocaine. 763 00:40:05,659 --> 00:40:07,899 -Chill out with all that. -Give it to me, man! 764 00:40:08,099 --> 00:40:12,259 He pulls a gun and robs his friend of his money and his drugs. 765 00:40:12,459 --> 00:40:15,939 Man, let's go! Yeah, yeah. 766 00:40:16,139 --> 00:40:19,299 Precious then ran off to the closest payphone. 767 00:40:23,499 --> 00:40:25,819 Yeah, I need somebody to come pick me up. 768 00:40:26,019 --> 00:40:29,779 Look, I don't know the address, but I can give you the intersection. 769 00:40:29,979 --> 00:40:32,619 All right, yeah, hurry up! 770 00:40:34,579 --> 00:40:38,179 Waiting for the Yellow Cab, Precious did more cocaine. 771 00:40:39,659 --> 00:40:43,379 Meanwhile, Stephen White leaves his friend's house. 772 00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:47,339 -All right, dude, I gotta go to work. -Thanks for the pizza. 773 00:40:47,539 --> 00:40:48,979 Thanks, man. 774 00:40:50,419 --> 00:40:55,419 And he drives to the intersection he's been given by the dispatcher. 775 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:58,139 He had no way of knowing it was his last ride. 776 00:41:04,659 --> 00:41:06,099 Yo, man, open the door, man. 777 00:41:08,579 --> 00:41:10,579 What took y'all so long? It's cold out here. 778 00:41:10,779 --> 00:41:13,859 Tried to get here as fast as I could. Where do you need to go? 779 00:41:14,059 --> 00:41:16,099 -Yo, take me downtown. -Yeah. 780 00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:21,539 Precious is volatile. He owes people drugs, he owes people money, 781 00:41:21,739 --> 00:41:24,219 so he thought he'll try to get money from the driver. 782 00:41:24,419 --> 00:41:26,579 (ominous music playing) 783 00:41:26,779 --> 00:41:31,859 -Yo, man, you got any money on you? -Money? 784 00:41:32,059 --> 00:41:34,899 -Yo, give me everything you got! -What the...? 785 00:41:35,099 --> 00:41:37,859 I'm serious, man! Hand me the money now! Quit playing, man! 786 00:41:38,059 --> 00:41:39,899 Take it easy, take it easy, man! 787 00:41:40,099 --> 00:41:42,459 Pull this (bleep) over, man, hurry up! 788 00:41:44,899 --> 00:41:47,179 All right, look. 789 00:41:48,219 --> 00:41:50,299 Yo, what the hell is this? This ain't (bleep)! 790 00:41:50,499 --> 00:41:52,739 Where's the rest of it at, man, seriously? 791 00:41:52,939 --> 00:41:55,299 I only had a few fares since I made a bank deposit. 792 00:41:55,499 --> 00:41:57,179 That's all I had at the time, okay? 793 00:41:57,379 --> 00:41:58,819 -Do you know who I am? -No! 794 00:41:59,019 --> 00:42:02,779 Precious, who can't control his temper in the best of circumstances, 795 00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:04,939 goes off like a Roman candle. 796 00:42:05,139 --> 00:42:07,459 -Man, (bleep) this! -No! No! No! 797 00:42:09,459 --> 00:42:13,299 Stephen White is dead before he falls over in the seat. 798 00:42:18,379 --> 00:42:20,699 Precious then pushes the body of Stephen over 799 00:42:20,899 --> 00:42:24,979 to search his pockets to see if he had any more money. 800 00:42:25,179 --> 00:42:27,379 Cocaine drives people to kill, 801 00:42:27,579 --> 00:42:30,619 it hijacks the pleasure centre of the mind. 802 00:42:30,819 --> 00:42:32,739 And it never, ever gives it back. 803 00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:38,099 At the end of this sad affair, Precious Thompson pleads guilty 804 00:42:38,299 --> 00:42:42,419 to second degree murder and is sentenced to 58 years in prison. 805 00:42:42,619 --> 00:42:45,539 One year later, Stephen White's parents testify 806 00:42:45,739 --> 00:42:47,859 before congress in support of the Brady Bill, 807 00:42:48,059 --> 00:42:50,819 to ensure that their son's death was not in vain. 808 00:42:51,019 --> 00:42:54,099 The Brady Bill was designed to require a five-day waiting period 809 00:42:54,299 --> 00:42:57,859 and a complete federal criminal background investigation 810 00:42:58,059 --> 00:43:01,979 to keep guns from people with a criminal history. 811 00:43:02,179 --> 00:43:06,699 Stephen's parents pointed out that their son might still be alive 812 00:43:06,899 --> 00:43:10,179 if the Brady Bill had been a law at the time of his death. 813 00:43:10,379 --> 00:43:14,659 Stephen White's parents Jerry and Mary White absolutely made an impact, 814 00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:19,819 for thousands, maybe even millions of other families since the early 1990s, 815 00:43:20,019 --> 00:43:23,179 when ultimately, the Brady Bill became enacted. 816 00:43:23,379 --> 00:43:28,259 And that was a big deal, because it was largely opposed. 817 00:43:28,459 --> 00:43:31,539 This was a family that lived in Colorado Springs, 818 00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:35,299 which was a very anti-Brady Bill town. 819 00:43:35,499 --> 00:43:41,299 Very pro-gun, very anti-gun control. It was a huge issue. 820 00:43:41,499 --> 00:43:46,419 I think that the Firearms backgrounds absolutely should be conducted, 821 00:43:46,619 --> 00:43:51,299 and it was unfortunate that Precious was able to acquire a handgun 822 00:43:51,499 --> 00:43:54,179 {\an8}so easily being a convicted felon. 823 00:43:54,379 --> 00:43:58,299 It's too easy to lie on a piece of paper and hope you don't get caught, 824 00:43:58,499 --> 00:44:01,459 but now, with federal background checks, 825 00:44:01,659 --> 00:44:04,699 it it's more complicated it's run through the FBI, 826 00:44:04,899 --> 00:44:06,699 {\an8}and if you have any arrest record, 827 00:44:06,899 --> 00:44:09,419 it's going to come up, with Precious, it didn't. 828 00:44:09,619 --> 00:44:10,899 {\an8}It's always a tragic thing 829 00:44:11,099 --> 00:44:13,539 when someone loses their life in a violent manner. 830 00:44:13,739 --> 00:44:16,979 It's even more tragic because of the gun laws at the time, 831 00:44:17,179 --> 00:44:19,499 {\an8}he was able to purchase a firearm, 832 00:44:19,699 --> 00:44:21,699 which he should have never been able to do. 833 00:44:21,899 --> 00:44:24,379 In today's world, he would not have been able to do.