1 00:00:02,035 --> 00:00:03,070 - You sat there and told me 2 00:00:03,070 --> 00:00:04,104 do whatever I have to do 3 00:00:04,104 --> 00:00:05,305 to get Christi out of there! 4 00:00:05,305 --> 00:00:06,874 - You know what? You're a low class piece of (bleep). 5 00:00:06,874 --> 00:00:09,076 I'm Christi Lukasiak, an OG Dance Mom. 6 00:00:09,076 --> 00:00:11,979 And on this episode of Dance Moms Epic Showdowns- 7 00:00:11,979 --> 00:00:13,514 - Holly, be quiet for once 8 00:00:13,514 --> 00:00:15,549 and listen to what I'm saying! [indistinct yelling] 9 00:00:15,549 --> 00:00:17,718 - It's reunion madness. 10 00:00:17,718 --> 00:00:19,853 - You're messing with my professional reputation, 11 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:21,622 calling me a cheater? Cuckoo! 12 00:00:21,622 --> 00:00:23,624 - Watch as accusations fly. 13 00:00:23,624 --> 00:00:26,426 Fact is, you can't stand it 14 00:00:26,426 --> 00:00:28,462 when Chloe succeeds 'cause you try to hold her down. 15 00:00:28,462 --> 00:00:29,730 - Are you kidding? 16 00:00:29,730 --> 00:00:31,899 - And walk-offs threaten to shut down production. 17 00:00:31,899 --> 00:00:34,234 I'm done. I am done. 18 00:00:34,234 --> 00:00:35,702 - You're a liar! You're a liar! 19 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:37,938 - [Jill] She can dish it out, but she can't take it. 20 00:00:37,938 --> 00:00:39,506 - Bye. Thank you all for coming. 21 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,943 - [Christi] This is Dance Moms Epic Showdowns Reunion Madness. 22 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,548 You know what? I think you need to get Jill out here 23 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:50,350 because I'm not sitting here fighting with Abby and Melissa 24 00:00:50,350 --> 00:00:52,119 'cause nobody ever has my back, Jeff. 25 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:53,387 - She is, like, twisted. 26 00:00:56,757 --> 00:01:00,294 - It's no secret that I was Abby's favorite punching bag. 27 00:01:00,294 --> 00:01:02,062 - You are an uneducated mess. 28 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:03,463 Keep talking, Christi. Keep it up. 29 00:01:03,463 --> 00:01:06,066 I think you're an (bleep). 30 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:09,102 - And Maddie's mom, Melissa, was more than happy 31 00:01:09,102 --> 00:01:10,704 to use that to her advantage. 32 00:01:10,704 --> 00:01:11,705 - Don't start with me again. 33 00:01:11,705 --> 00:01:12,639 - [Christi] You did! - You know what? 34 00:01:12,639 --> 00:01:13,807 - I know, storm out, we love it. 35 00:01:13,807 --> 00:01:15,309 - I am storming out because 36 00:01:15,309 --> 00:01:17,544 this is not being brought up. Screw you! 37 00:01:17,544 --> 00:01:19,379 - So by the time we were ready 38 00:01:19,379 --> 00:01:21,315 to film the Seeing Red reunion, 39 00:01:21,315 --> 00:01:24,117 I was more than ready to tell my side. 40 00:01:24,117 --> 00:01:25,352 - There seems to be a lot of competition 41 00:01:25,352 --> 00:01:27,254 between you and Melissa. 42 00:01:27,254 --> 00:01:28,956 And you have always said that Melissa 43 00:01:28,956 --> 00:01:30,357 is in this for herself. 44 00:01:30,357 --> 00:01:31,491 - Oh, yeah. 45 00:01:31,491 --> 00:01:32,960 I said Melissa was a liar from the beginning. 46 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,795 - [Jeff] Explain to us what it was that happened. 47 00:01:34,795 --> 00:01:37,464 - When Paige and Chloe had a duet in New York, 48 00:01:37,464 --> 00:01:40,901 they brought Kalani secretly to come to New York 49 00:01:40,901 --> 00:01:42,035 to compete with Maddie. 50 00:01:42,035 --> 00:01:43,937 The problem was the lies. 51 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:46,673 And Chloe had said to Maddie, are you doing your duet? 52 00:01:46,673 --> 00:01:47,941 And Maddie's like, no. 53 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:49,176 We're not doing it at this competition. 54 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:52,312 They're teaching Maddie to lie to make, 55 00:01:52,312 --> 00:01:54,014 you are teaching her to lie. 56 00:01:54,014 --> 00:01:55,882 And that is a shame because she's a good kid. 57 00:01:55,882 --> 00:01:58,752 - Oh, and you're so good at teaching Chloe that yourself. 58 00:02:00,053 --> 00:02:01,355 - [Jeff] So let's get Melissa out here 59 00:02:01,355 --> 00:02:03,256 because I really wanna hear what she has to say. 60 00:02:03,256 --> 00:02:04,091 Come on out. 61 00:02:04,091 --> 00:02:05,626 [audience applauding] 62 00:02:05,626 --> 00:02:07,260 - You know what? I think you need to get Jill out here too, 63 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:10,197 because I'm not sitting here fighting with Abby and Melissa 64 00:02:10,197 --> 00:02:12,466 'cause nobody ever has my back, Jeff. 65 00:02:12,466 --> 00:02:14,267 Holly, too. 'Cause Holly's been on the short end 66 00:02:14,267 --> 00:02:16,269 of the stick this season, just like the rest of us. 67 00:02:16,269 --> 00:02:19,039 Because I'm sick and tired of battling alone. 68 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:21,875 Let me know. Nope! Let me know when Jill and Holly get here, 69 00:02:21,875 --> 00:02:24,778 because you people put me in this situation all the time. 70 00:02:24,778 --> 00:02:25,946 I am done! 71 00:02:25,946 --> 00:02:27,481 - She is, like, twisted. 72 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:31,385 - There was no way I was gonna let these two team up on me. 73 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:34,755 So when I returned, I brought reinforcements. 74 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:35,822 - [Jeff] Christi's back. 75 00:02:35,822 --> 00:02:37,591 She's got 76 00:02:37,591 --> 00:02:39,359 Jill and Holly. 77 00:02:39,359 --> 00:02:40,594 [crowd applauding] 78 00:02:40,594 --> 00:02:44,264 So Melissa, did you hear what Christi said about you 79 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:47,401 and the lie and whether or not you are teaching 80 00:02:47,401 --> 00:02:48,668 Maddie to lie? 81 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:50,137 - I'm not teaching my daughter to lie. 82 00:02:50,137 --> 00:02:52,506 Chloe asked Maddie if she was doing the duet at the 83 00:02:52,506 --> 00:02:54,508 studio, not the competition. 84 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:57,444 And Maddie knew nothing about it at the studio. Nothing. 85 00:02:57,444 --> 00:02:59,713 - Here's the thing. Maddie knew. 86 00:02:59,713 --> 00:03:01,181 It just would've made everything- 87 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:02,482 - So you're calling my daughter a liar? But she's not liar. 88 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:04,351 - No, I'm not. I think she knew. 89 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:08,488 I think Abby and you both allowed her to not tell. 90 00:03:08,488 --> 00:03:11,191 - It's my dance company. It's my business. 91 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:13,026 Who dances is up to me. 92 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:14,261 - Let's take a look at the moment 93 00:03:14,261 --> 00:03:15,462 everybody's talking about. 94 00:03:15,462 --> 00:03:17,064 - Well, Melissa, I didn't hear any special announcement 95 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:19,032 that they weren't being adjudicated, liar. 96 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:21,835 - I wasn't a liar. I asked Abby. I was not a liar. 97 00:03:21,835 --> 00:03:23,670 - [Kelly] You lie all the time, Melissa. 98 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:25,005 And now you're having your kid lie. 99 00:03:25,005 --> 00:03:26,073 - [Melissa] I did not! 100 00:03:26,073 --> 00:03:27,708 - Maddie lied to Chloe's face upstairs. 101 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:29,710 - Yes, yes she did. 102 00:03:29,710 --> 00:03:30,877 In the dressing, yes, she did. 103 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:32,179 - I asked Abby if they could be adjudicated. 104 00:03:32,179 --> 00:03:33,513 - [Christi] Okay. 105 00:03:33,513 --> 00:03:34,748 - It's up to her. She's the dance teacher. 106 00:03:34,748 --> 00:03:37,918 - So Abby, what was your reason for not telling them? 107 00:03:37,918 --> 00:03:39,986 - We wanted to secure the win. It was them. 108 00:03:39,986 --> 00:03:41,421 - Well, you know what? 109 00:03:41,421 --> 00:03:42,989 Had you not done it, Chloe and Paige came in second. 110 00:03:42,989 --> 00:03:44,591 They would've secured your win. 111 00:03:44,591 --> 00:03:47,227 - Their history proves that they don't. 112 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,262 - They did. It doesn't matter. 113 00:03:49,262 --> 00:03:50,597 - They got lucky. 114 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:52,899 - Oh, see, they got lucky. See how that woman is? 115 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:56,269 That was one of the things I loved about reunions. 116 00:03:56,269 --> 00:04:00,907 Exposing Abby in front of a live studio audience. Eww. 117 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:02,375 - [Kelly] Well, I'm not a wacko. 118 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:04,077 - Your eyes say something different. 119 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,015 - The drama between Kelly and Abby 120 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:11,384 had been brewing all season long. 121 00:04:11,384 --> 00:04:14,754 - I pay for costumes and props and I don't get them. 122 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:19,059 I've been here all day making costumes for you! 123 00:04:19,059 --> 00:04:21,461 - By the time we got to the Hurricane Abby reunion, 124 00:04:21,461 --> 00:04:23,597 Kelly and Abby's tension had been hmm, 125 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:25,599 I don't know, category five? 126 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,701 And in this epic reunion showdown, 127 00:04:27,701 --> 00:04:29,936 my money was on my partner in crime Kelly. 128 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:32,539 - So Kelly, you've been more defiant 129 00:04:32,539 --> 00:04:34,074 than we've ever seen you before. 130 00:04:34,074 --> 00:04:38,311 You seem to be more than willing to be combative with Abby. 131 00:04:38,311 --> 00:04:40,380 Let's take a look at Kelly in action. 132 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:42,382 - [Kelly] I'm supposed to sit here. 133 00:04:42,382 --> 00:04:43,984 - I'm not moving. Go around. 134 00:04:46,386 --> 00:04:47,854 - I could stand here all day. 135 00:04:47,854 --> 00:04:50,157 - I'm sitting there having this confrontation with Kelly, 136 00:04:50,157 --> 00:04:51,625 trying to ignore her. 137 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:53,693 And now this nincompoop is holding up 138 00:04:53,693 --> 00:04:55,295 the entire competition. 139 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:58,532 - You really want me to climb over a seat in a dress? 140 00:04:58,532 --> 00:05:00,300 I pay her for her service 141 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,469 and she doesn't own this dance competition. 142 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:04,704 If I wanna go there and I wanna support my team, 143 00:05:04,704 --> 00:05:07,274 then I'm going, I'm done taking her (bleep). 144 00:05:07,274 --> 00:05:08,942 - Right. There's a thousand seats in here. 145 00:05:08,942 --> 00:05:11,278 Put your butt in one. Not this one. 146 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:14,114 - The producers tell me that you stood there 147 00:05:14,114 --> 00:05:15,749 for 30 minutes. 148 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:16,616 - I did. 149 00:05:16,616 --> 00:05:17,984 - [Jeff] It was like a standoff. 150 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:19,953 - I'm sitting there and the entire judging panel 151 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:21,988 has turned to look at me, 152 00:05:21,988 --> 00:05:25,225 including the people in the wings 153 00:05:25,225 --> 00:05:27,994 are now looking at me on stage. We're in Orlando, Florida. 154 00:05:27,994 --> 00:05:30,664 - Wondering why you won't stand up and let the person in. 155 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:32,465 That's what you do in an auditorium. You stand up- 156 00:05:32,465 --> 00:05:34,467 - No, you arrive on time. 157 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:35,669 - [Kelly] And let the other person walk in and sit down. 158 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:39,873 - And if you are late upon arrival, you are seated 159 00:05:39,873 --> 00:05:41,107 when there's an intermission. 160 00:05:41,107 --> 00:05:43,109 - The music stops in between dances. 161 00:05:43,109 --> 00:05:44,511 That's when you go in and sit down. 162 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:46,713 And that is what I did. I was there for my children. 163 00:05:46,713 --> 00:05:47,614 - No. Right. 164 00:05:47,614 --> 00:05:49,015 - And my teammates. 165 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:51,184 - So stick your butt in a seat and shut your mouth. 166 00:05:55,055 --> 00:05:57,991 - The Hurricane Abby reunion was off to a stormy start. 167 00:05:57,991 --> 00:06:00,060 - You still think I'm 12, I'm 42. 168 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:02,028 I'm paying you for a service. 169 00:06:02,028 --> 00:06:04,731 - You are not paying me on Sunday 170 00:06:04,731 --> 00:06:06,199 to be in a dance competition! 171 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:09,402 - And then when Leslie called Kelly a studio hopper, 172 00:06:09,402 --> 00:06:12,072 things really went off the rails. 173 00:06:12,072 --> 00:06:13,874 - Do we wanna bring up why I leave? 174 00:06:13,874 --> 00:06:16,676 - You are solely responsible. 175 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:17,510 - That's why I leave. 176 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:18,712 - It is your behavior. 177 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:20,180 - Because I take responsibility. 178 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:23,016 - You are responsible for their decline in their dancing. 179 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:24,985 - And that's why I leave. Because you treat them 180 00:06:24,985 --> 00:06:26,620 the way you do, so I pull them out. 181 00:06:26,620 --> 00:06:27,787 - Let's switch gears for just a second 182 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:28,888 and lighten the mood. - Wacko! 183 00:06:28,888 --> 00:06:30,290 - Did you just say I was a wacko? 184 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:32,459 - No, I said if you want to get off the show, you can. 185 00:06:32,459 --> 00:06:34,761 - Because if you wanna go, no, no, no, wait a minute. 186 00:06:34,761 --> 00:06:37,998 She can sit there and say I should be admitted as a wacko? 187 00:06:37,998 --> 00:06:39,266 - No, I did not say that. 188 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:41,468 I said, if you wanna get off, you can. 189 00:06:41,468 --> 00:06:44,237 - Okay, well I'm not a wacko. 190 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:45,872 - Your eyes say something different. 191 00:06:45,872 --> 00:06:49,142 - And once again, Abby was a giant baby 192 00:06:49,142 --> 00:06:50,677 and exited stage left. 193 00:06:50,677 --> 00:06:53,146 - [Jeff] Abby, hold on. Where are you going? 194 00:06:53,146 --> 00:06:55,548 - But eventually, like everybody else, she agreed 195 00:06:55,548 --> 00:06:57,984 to come back on one condition. 196 00:06:57,984 --> 00:07:01,321 - We've come to an agreement to have Abby come back. 197 00:07:01,321 --> 00:07:03,890 And Kelly, unfortunately, I need to ask you to leave 198 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:05,892 because that was the agreement that we came to. 199 00:07:05,892 --> 00:07:07,060 - Can I go too? 200 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:08,428 - [Jeff] No, you may not. [Kelly laughing] 201 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:09,896 We're gonna find out Abby's side of the story, 202 00:07:09,896 --> 00:07:13,133 but we would prefer that you excuse yourself at this point. 203 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:14,801 So thank you very much for coming. 204 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:17,804 [audience applauding] 205 00:07:17,804 --> 00:07:20,407 I asked Kelly to leave so that we could come back 206 00:07:20,407 --> 00:07:21,241 and hear your side of the story 207 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:22,475 because I know she upset you, 208 00:07:22,475 --> 00:07:23,643 you know, when she was out here before. 209 00:07:23,643 --> 00:07:25,312 - No, she just is always the victim 210 00:07:25,312 --> 00:07:27,113 and everybody's mean to her kids. 211 00:07:27,113 --> 00:07:30,216 I love those two kids like they were my own. 212 00:07:30,216 --> 00:07:33,620 She has put this wedge in between us. 213 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:34,988 - Always playing the blame game 214 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:37,290 and never taking accountability. 215 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:38,825 Yeah, that sounds like Abby. 216 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:42,595 - [choking up] Maddie. 217 00:07:42,595 --> 00:07:44,597 I just have to give you a hug. 218 00:07:44,597 --> 00:07:46,466 You're my best friend. 219 00:07:49,536 --> 00:07:52,272 - This epic showdown's breather is brought to you by 220 00:07:52,272 --> 00:07:55,709 Reunion of Tears, where Maddie and Mackenzie's final goodbye 221 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:58,311 finally brings everyone together. 222 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:01,081 - I actually can't believe that it's time to say goodbye 223 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:03,083 to Maddie and Mackenzie. 224 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:06,252 All right, Nia, any final words for the girls? 225 00:08:06,252 --> 00:08:09,255 - I just don't even remember life without you guys. 226 00:08:09,255 --> 00:08:11,291 I'm gonna really miss you guys. 227 00:08:11,291 --> 00:08:14,294 - Maddie, honestly, when I first came, 228 00:08:14,294 --> 00:08:15,695 you were really nice to me. 229 00:08:15,695 --> 00:08:17,464 And I remember the first week you were gone and I was there 230 00:08:17,464 --> 00:08:19,466 and I had to fill your shoes. 231 00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:20,300 But like- 232 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:21,201 - That's impossible. 233 00:08:21,201 --> 00:08:22,802 - It's literally impossible. 234 00:08:22,802 --> 00:08:25,205 And I want you to know that I love you. 235 00:08:25,205 --> 00:08:28,675 Kenzie, we've had some great memories. 236 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:29,809 Love you guys. 237 00:08:31,111 --> 00:08:32,345 - [choking up] Maddie. 238 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:34,347 I just have to give you a hug. 239 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:40,353 - I just wanna thank all of you guys 240 00:08:40,353 --> 00:08:41,821 for being such great sisters to me. 241 00:08:41,821 --> 00:08:45,258 And I can't imagine life without you guys. 242 00:08:45,258 --> 00:08:47,994 - If anything, you guys are the only people I can count on. 243 00:08:47,994 --> 00:08:50,130 Like you guys are just my best friends. 244 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:53,066 - Guys. I'm just saying right now, we all look so ugly. 245 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:54,801 [audience laughing] 246 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:58,204 - Aw, at least our kids have nice, healthy relationships. 247 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:00,373 But now, back to the mayhem. 248 00:09:01,641 --> 00:09:04,044 - No, nope. You're very defensive and you shouldn't be. 249 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:05,145 - Because you're lying! 250 00:09:05,645 --> 00:09:08,314 [dramatic music] 251 00:09:08,314 --> 00:09:10,350 - By the time we shot the City of Angels reunion, 252 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:12,986 the ALDC had moved to LA. 253 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:15,355 - [Abby] I really don't think these moms have any clue 254 00:09:15,355 --> 00:09:18,358 how much work goes into managing their children 255 00:09:18,358 --> 00:09:20,660 and networking them around Hollywood. 256 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:22,495 And it really burns me up. 257 00:09:22,495 --> 00:09:24,697 - So Abby complaining hadn't changed, 258 00:09:24,697 --> 00:09:27,534 but Jill got into an epic showdown at the reunion 259 00:09:27,534 --> 00:09:30,503 with Holly about going "Hollywood". 260 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:33,039 - Of the moms here, I think Holly, in my mind, 261 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:34,207 has changed the most. 262 00:09:34,207 --> 00:09:35,442 - Yes. 263 00:09:35,442 --> 00:09:38,044 - Has gone totally like flipped. Totally different. 264 00:09:38,044 --> 00:09:40,914 And she's all Hollywood, off and running. 265 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:43,983 - I took Nia's passion, her desire when we came out 266 00:09:43,983 --> 00:09:45,752 to LA and what she wanted to do, 267 00:09:45,752 --> 00:09:49,155 and I treated it how I would approach a job. 268 00:09:49,155 --> 00:09:52,459 How are we gonna be strategic? How are we going to network? 269 00:09:52,459 --> 00:09:55,228 No different. There is nothing wrong with what I've done. 270 00:09:55,228 --> 00:09:59,999 - Okay. Holly has a lot going on outside of what we do here. 271 00:09:59,999 --> 00:10:01,568 And Holly's always late because 272 00:10:01,568 --> 00:10:03,002 she's off with Nia doing something. 273 00:10:03,002 --> 00:10:06,139 - Oh, that's not true. How dare you? Always late? Ooh. 274 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:07,474 [audience laughing] 275 00:10:07,474 --> 00:10:10,143 Nia has done and fulfilled all of her schoolwork. 276 00:10:10,143 --> 00:10:11,444 - Okay. You miss school and other things 277 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:12,912 to take advantage of opportunities. 278 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:14,747 - [Jess] No. You miss school in the morning 279 00:10:14,747 --> 00:10:15,982 and then you do it in the afternoon. 280 00:10:15,982 --> 00:10:17,317 - Absolutely, always make it up. 281 00:10:17,317 --> 00:10:19,385 - Okay. But when we were all together, 282 00:10:19,385 --> 00:10:21,621 you were out making opportunities 283 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:22,989 for your child doing something else. 284 00:10:22,989 --> 00:10:24,824 It never used to be like that. 285 00:10:24,824 --> 00:10:26,159 Don't be so defensive! 286 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:27,827 - Oh, falsifying information. 287 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:30,296 - No. Nope. You're very defensive and you shouldn't be. 288 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:31,831 - Because you're lying! 289 00:10:35,835 --> 00:10:37,070 - At the reunions, most of our epic showdowns 290 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:38,605 happened over old grudges. 291 00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:41,140 And Jill really leaned into that. 292 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:43,743 - I think Holly, in my mind, has changed the most. 293 00:10:43,743 --> 00:10:44,911 - Yes. 294 00:10:44,911 --> 00:10:46,579 - Has gone all Hollywood, off and running. 295 00:10:46,579 --> 00:10:49,449 - And Jill came for Holly for putting herself and Nia 296 00:10:49,449 --> 00:10:51,150 before the rest of the team. 297 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:52,619 - I said she didn't show up. 298 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:54,154 - [Holly] She did! 299 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:55,989 - Holly, be quiet for once and listen to what I'm saying. 300 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:57,624 - She went to school when she was supposed to after. 301 00:10:57,624 --> 00:10:59,225 - Holly, be quiet for once and listen to what I'm saying. 302 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:00,994 - You know what? I'm not gonna have her- 303 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:02,629 - [Jill] Be quiet for once. - [Jeff] Okay, hold on. 304 00:11:02,629 --> 00:11:04,063 - [Jill] She will never be quiet 305 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:06,499 because she can never listen to what anybody else says. 306 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:09,469 - If she is going to talk about Nia not going to school, 307 00:11:09,469 --> 00:11:10,670 which is a lie. 308 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:11,538 - [Jill] I'm not talking about Nia. 309 00:11:11,538 --> 00:11:12,472 - You are, you just said. 310 00:11:12,472 --> 00:11:14,307 - [Jill] I said you, Holly! 311 00:11:14,307 --> 00:11:15,308 - [Producer] Hold on, Holly. 312 00:11:15,308 --> 00:11:16,976 - I'm not. 'Cause that's a lie. 313 00:11:16,976 --> 00:11:18,912 - [Producer] I understand. - Holly, I did not lie. 314 00:11:18,912 --> 00:11:19,979 - If she is going to talk about Nia not going to school, 315 00:11:19,979 --> 00:11:21,514 I'm not doing it. 316 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:22,081 - [Producer] I think you've made your point. Holly... 317 00:11:22,081 --> 00:11:23,349 - No! 318 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:24,184 - [Producer] I think you made your point. 319 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:24,851 - [Holly] You know what? 320 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:26,019 - Bye bye, Holly! 321 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:27,854 [crowd cheering] 322 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:28,721 - [Holly] Jill, own that! 323 00:11:28,721 --> 00:11:29,556 - [Jill] That's fine. 324 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:30,623 - You're a liar. 325 00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:32,392 - She can dish it out, but she can't take it. 326 00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:34,294 - Oh, she can take it. 327 00:11:34,294 --> 00:11:35,862 And in typical Holly fashion, 328 00:11:35,862 --> 00:11:38,464 she kept her cool and had the last word. 329 00:11:38,464 --> 00:11:39,832 - [Producer] Holly, I don't think you should leave. 330 00:11:39,832 --> 00:11:41,034 I think you should have a seat. 331 00:11:41,034 --> 00:11:43,136 And let's finish the show really quick, okay? 332 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:47,140 - So Holly, do you think your approach is working for Nia? 333 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:49,976 - It seems to be working. I'm very happy. I have no regrets. 334 00:11:49,976 --> 00:11:51,544 - Unless we're talking about Holly putting up 335 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:53,680 with Abby's crap all those years. 336 00:11:54,647 --> 00:11:56,249 - [Ashley] Let's talk about Tammy. 337 00:11:56,249 --> 00:11:57,850 [dramatic music] 338 00:11:57,850 --> 00:11:59,752 - Bye. Thank you all for coming. 339 00:12:03,022 --> 00:12:05,224 - Everyone knew Abby's biggest rule. 340 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:08,394 You never mention another studio by name, 341 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:11,631 especially her biggest rival, Tammy and Studio 19. 342 00:12:11,631 --> 00:12:14,667 Studio 19. Studio 19. Studio 19! 343 00:12:19,138 --> 00:12:21,240 - And at The Return of the ALDC reunion, 344 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,244 Presley's mom Ashley opened her big mouth. 345 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,912 - [Ashley] Let's talk about Tammy. 346 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:31,551 - Am I finished now? Do I get to leave? I think I do. 347 00:12:31,551 --> 00:12:33,252 Bye. Thank you all for coming. 348 00:12:33,252 --> 00:12:34,721 [dramatic season] 349 00:12:34,721 --> 00:12:37,023 - [Ashley] Thanks for a great season. 350 00:12:37,023 --> 00:12:38,258 Why are you leaving? 351 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:39,692 - [Stacey] You're not allowed to say Tammy. 352 00:12:39,692 --> 00:12:40,860 - All right. You gonna make me walk in the heels? 353 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:42,695 - [Tricia] Oh, God. Abby. 354 00:12:42,695 --> 00:12:43,863 - [Ashley] I don't understand why you leaving. 355 00:12:43,863 --> 00:12:45,098 - [Tricia] Abby, come on. We're almost done. 356 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:45,865 Just finish this. What are you doing? 357 00:12:45,865 --> 00:12:46,699 - What just happened? 358 00:12:46,699 --> 00:12:48,234 - It's her rival studio. 359 00:12:48,234 --> 00:12:49,669 We know that if we say the name 360 00:12:49,669 --> 00:12:51,738 of the studio, that she leaves. 361 00:12:51,738 --> 00:12:54,841 - [Joanne] If we say Tammy, the name of her rival studio, 362 00:12:55,675 --> 00:12:56,876 - Sure. 363 00:12:56,876 --> 00:12:58,645 - We are like- [imitates knife slashing] 364 00:12:58,645 --> 00:13:01,080 - Producers had to step in to talk Abby off the ledge, 365 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,715 but she wouldn't budge. 366 00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:04,117 - [Producer] Abby, you can't leave! 367 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:05,585 - [Abby] This is the United States of America. 368 00:13:05,585 --> 00:13:07,186 Try to hold me. 369 00:13:07,186 --> 00:13:09,155 - Abby, I don't even understand why you're leaving. 370 00:13:10,423 --> 00:13:11,624 - I just asked that police officer 371 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:14,260 if I had to stay and he said no. 372 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:16,429 - So if we can, ladies, I just, I want to, 373 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:18,331 what happened when you went out there? 374 00:13:18,331 --> 00:13:19,799 - She's gone. - She's upset. 375 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:20,933 - She's upset. 376 00:13:20,933 --> 00:13:22,302 - I don't even know why she's upset. 377 00:13:22,302 --> 00:13:24,070 - But specifically because of the rival studio talk? 378 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:26,439 - Correct. 'Cause she said her name. 379 00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:28,308 - Because I said Tammy's name. 380 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,109 - [Producer] So why can't we talk about that? 381 00:13:30,109 --> 00:13:31,277 They're gonna see all that. 382 00:13:31,277 --> 00:13:32,512 - Because I'm not gonna be on a show 383 00:13:32,512 --> 00:13:35,181 where you're talking about someone that 384 00:13:35,181 --> 00:13:37,383 is potentially a competitor in Pittsburgh. 385 00:13:37,383 --> 00:13:38,818 - Will you come back and just say, 386 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:40,420 put an end to it and let's move on? 387 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:42,121 - [Abby] No, no. I'm not saying another word. 388 00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:50,630 - Somehow, Producer Brian always knew what to say 389 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:51,931 to calm Abby down. 390 00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:56,069 - Oh, hi. Protect me please? I've had it with this. 391 00:13:57,437 --> 00:13:59,272 - [Producer] Guys, Abby's coming back in the building. 392 00:13:59,272 --> 00:14:01,607 - Oh yay! 393 00:14:01,607 --> 00:14:02,608 - Are you ready? 394 00:14:02,608 --> 00:14:04,310 - I was born ready, babe. 395 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:06,846 - [Christi] And just like that, the show goes on. 396 00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:10,116 - I think that you're loud mouth. 397 00:14:10,116 --> 00:14:11,184 - A loud mouth?! 398 00:14:12,151 --> 00:14:14,387 [dramatic music] 399 00:14:14,387 --> 00:14:16,389 - Studio 19 was always a pain, 400 00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:18,491 but the ALDC's biggest rival, Cathy 401 00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:20,827 and her Candy Apples, were a pain in the ass. 402 00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:22,195 And for good reason. 403 00:14:22,195 --> 00:14:23,496 - [Cathy] Did you come in the big crappy bus 404 00:14:23,496 --> 00:14:24,864 from Pittsburgh? 405 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:27,667 Oh my God, that yellow bracelet is horrendous. 406 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:29,035 - Cathy, go to hell. 407 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:31,070 - So when Cathy showed up at the Off the Dance Floor 408 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:34,307 reunion, we were more than happy to take our best shot. 409 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:36,275 - [Jeff] So ladies, I got a question for you. 410 00:14:36,275 --> 00:14:39,746 When I say the name Cathy from Candy Apples, 411 00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:41,481 tell me what pops into your mind. 412 00:14:42,315 --> 00:14:43,950 - [Abby] Witch. 413 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:45,318 - Holly? 414 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,185 - Silly. 415 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,455 - Little shoes, just [imitates shuffling] 416 00:14:49,455 --> 00:14:51,357 - [Jeff] Christi? - Jerky. 417 00:14:51,357 --> 00:14:53,025 - [Jeff] Kelly? - Stalker. 418 00:14:53,025 --> 00:14:54,827 - [Jeff] Jill? - Annoying. 419 00:14:54,827 --> 00:14:56,863 - A special individual. 420 00:14:56,863 --> 00:14:59,332 - That's what every body says. Is Cathy really that crazy? 421 00:14:59,332 --> 00:15:00,066 - She's like a cartoon character. 422 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:00,900 - She's like a twerky, 423 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,402 she's like the coyote. 424 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:04,003 You know, like you know they're never gonna catch 425 00:15:04,003 --> 00:15:05,671 Roadrunner, but they're gonna try to throw an anvil on her. 426 00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:07,006 - That's exactly right. 427 00:15:07,006 --> 00:15:09,675 - Little did we know she was waiting in the wings. 428 00:15:09,675 --> 00:15:11,310 - [Jeff] So Cathy, come on out. 429 00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:14,046 [Kelly cackling] 430 00:15:19,185 --> 00:15:19,786 - At the Off the Dance Floor reunion, 431 00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:22,989 we were all having a ball trashing our biggest rival, 432 00:15:22,989 --> 00:15:24,023 Cathy from the Candy Apples. 433 00:15:24,023 --> 00:15:25,691 - Can I just say she's special? 434 00:15:25,691 --> 00:15:27,293 She's like a special- 435 00:15:27,293 --> 00:15:29,829 - And for once, we were all in agreement. 436 00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:31,230 - [Abby] Witch. - Annoying. 437 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:32,398 - Silly. - Stalker. 438 00:15:32,398 --> 00:15:33,866 - Jerky. - Little shoes just 439 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:34,967 [imitates shuffling] 440 00:15:34,967 --> 00:15:37,103 - And then, poof. She appeared. 441 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:39,272 - [Jeff] So Cathy, come on out. 442 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:42,642 [Kelly cackling] 443 00:15:42,642 --> 00:15:45,778 [women cheering] 444 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:46,779 - [Christi] Sassy! 445 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,481 - [Melissa] Gorgeous. 446 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:50,349 - How's my little Pittsburgh babes? 447 00:15:50,349 --> 00:15:53,853 - And before we knew it, Cathy did what she did best, 448 00:15:53,853 --> 00:15:56,255 by being the absolute worst. 449 00:15:56,255 --> 00:15:59,425 - Good, healthy rivalry is fine, 450 00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:03,095 but for some reason you turn it into vindictive vicious. 451 00:16:03,095 --> 00:16:05,631 Abby, I think I have way more class than you do. 452 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:08,501 I think that you're a loud mouth. 453 00:16:08,501 --> 00:16:09,769 - A loud mouth?! 454 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:11,737 - [Jeff] So Cathy, in the time that you spent 455 00:16:11,737 --> 00:16:14,273 at the Abby Lee Dance Company, 456 00:16:14,273 --> 00:16:15,942 what did you walk away with? 457 00:16:15,942 --> 00:16:17,510 [Cathy laughing] 458 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:20,947 - Abby clearly has different tactics than I do. 459 00:16:20,947 --> 00:16:24,917 I am very nurturing. She is very aggressive. 460 00:16:24,917 --> 00:16:28,554 She is not nice to her customers. 461 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,190 I think that one of the reasons why I have 462 00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:33,960 much more clientele at my studio is because 463 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,029 I'm a business person as well as a dance, I'm not done. 464 00:16:37,029 --> 00:16:38,531 So close your mouth and pull your finger back. 465 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:39,465 - Business first, talent second. 466 00:16:39,465 --> 00:16:40,700 - [Cathy] Pull your finger back. 467 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:41,701 - I'm the other way around. 468 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:42,902 - [Cathy] No, that's not true. 469 00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,371 - Let me settle this. They are both irritating. 470 00:16:46,672 --> 00:16:49,508 The fact is, you can't stand it when Chloe succeeds 471 00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:51,277 'cause you try to hold her down. 472 00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:52,411 - Are you kidding? 473 00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:57,783 - By the time we got to the Playing Favorites reunion, 474 00:16:57,783 --> 00:17:01,153 tension between Abby and me was at an all-time high, 475 00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:03,389 especially when we had to relive this scene, 476 00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:05,291 which just made matters worse. 477 00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:06,959 We're not jealous of anyone. 478 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:08,961 - Yes, you are. And your kid doesn't have the technique. 479 00:17:08,961 --> 00:17:10,096 She does! 480 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:11,497 - No. You know what, Abby, go ahead. 481 00:17:11,497 --> 00:17:12,932 Say awful things about my daughter. 482 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:14,934 - [Abby] They know Chloe here at Starpower. 483 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:18,871 - How dare you say things about my kid! 484 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:20,039 What, are you gonna run to the judges 485 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:21,674 and argue like you did last time? 486 00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:22,675 - [Abby] No. 487 00:17:22,675 --> 00:17:23,910 - Oh, I bet you are. You know why? 488 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:26,279 Because you're classless. Take a hike. 489 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:27,446 - Don't talk about class, sweetheart. 490 00:17:27,446 --> 00:17:28,347 - [Christi] Take a hike. 491 00:17:28,347 --> 00:17:29,715 - Don't, I'm not taking a hike. 492 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:31,784 - You know what? You're nowhere near Chloe's league. 493 00:17:31,784 --> 00:17:33,052 You're down here. 494 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,620 She has more class in her little finger 495 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:36,389 at 13 than you have 45. 496 00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:40,159 - [Jeff] How do you feel about that? 497 00:17:40,159 --> 00:17:42,295 - I think she goes for the jugular 498 00:17:42,295 --> 00:17:44,430 no matter what the argument is. 499 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:46,332 - The truth of the matter is when you and Christi 500 00:17:46,332 --> 00:17:48,834 get into it, things get really ugly. 501 00:17:48,834 --> 00:17:51,604 - You know, Christi. Why don't you pull the trigger? 502 00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:54,073 - What is your biggest issue with Christi right now? 503 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,642 - Not making Chloe's 504 00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:58,978 training a priority 505 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:00,580 at the Abby Lee Dance Company. 506 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:03,316 Chloe walks in 10 minutes late, 20 minutes late, 507 00:18:03,316 --> 00:18:06,319 and it's a 30-minute private. How do you learn anything? 508 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,620 - Well, you guys, knowing Christi, 509 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:08,988 she's probably got a lot to say. 510 00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:11,190 - Oh, they know me so well. 511 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,225 - All right, so you've been backstage, you heard it all. 512 00:18:13,225 --> 00:18:15,027 What do you think about Abby's version 513 00:18:15,027 --> 00:18:16,596 of what happened at Nationals? 514 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,264 - Abby's walking down the hall and she turned around 515 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:19,699 because we all know at Nationals, 516 00:18:19,699 --> 00:18:21,000 Kamryn and Chloe tied, 517 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,169 but Chloe beat her because she had a higher technique score. 518 00:18:23,169 --> 00:18:24,604 Well, that killed Abby. 519 00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:26,005 And she turned around and said, Kamryn's the one 520 00:18:26,005 --> 00:18:27,606 with the technique, not Chloe. 521 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:29,475 That was your reaction because you couldn't hang 522 00:18:29,475 --> 00:18:31,444 with her mother, you're gonna rip on a 13-year-old girl? 523 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:32,912 - That's not what happened. 524 00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:34,914 - Yes it is. She talks about me hitting below the belt. 525 00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:36,916 - I want Chloe to work harder. 526 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:38,451 - It doesn't matter. Chloe won that day. 527 00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:39,719 Her job was to win. She won. 528 00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:41,387 She couldn't stand the fact that 529 00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:44,023 for the second time, Chloe beat Kamryn. 530 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:45,624 - But she didn't win. 531 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:47,293 They were fourth, they were fifth and sixth. 532 00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:48,628 I was disappointed in both of them. 533 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:50,563 - But you know what? She was the highest scoring 534 00:18:50,563 --> 00:18:53,866 solo that day. She didn't win because her solo was pitiful. 535 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:56,969 You gave her a pitiful solo, and you know it. 536 00:18:56,969 --> 00:19:00,006 - Again, if I say that I think Chloe is doing 537 00:19:00,006 --> 00:19:02,308 what Chloe's potential is, 538 00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,010 then I'm the bad guy again. 539 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:07,913 - Nope. The fact is you can't stand it when Chloe succeeds 540 00:19:07,913 --> 00:19:09,682 'cause you try to hold her down. 541 00:19:09,682 --> 00:19:10,850 - Are you kidding? 542 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:13,019 - And it kills you when she goes out there 543 00:19:13,019 --> 00:19:15,121 and does well because you don't want her to, 544 00:19:15,121 --> 00:19:16,422 because of your issues with me. 545 00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:18,090 You're a horrible, rotten human being 546 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:19,692 and it shows every week. 547 00:19:19,692 --> 00:19:21,961 - And you keep bringing the kid back! 548 00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:23,963 - Actually, this time I didn't. 549 00:19:23,963 --> 00:19:25,931 Chloe and I left after season four, 550 00:19:25,931 --> 00:19:28,934 and that was the last time I ever spoke to Abby. 551 00:19:30,403 --> 00:19:32,204 I may have left, but I'm glad I was around 552 00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:33,339 for this cute moment. 553 00:19:33,339 --> 00:19:35,207 - What's on your necklace? 554 00:19:35,207 --> 00:19:40,079 - These skulls? They're all the mothers that didn't listen. 555 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:40,913 [all laughing] 556 00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:43,449 I could name them one at a time. 557 00:19:44,483 --> 00:19:46,352 - Well, that's a wrap for me in this 558 00:19:46,352 --> 00:19:47,787 episode of Epic Showdowns. 559 00:19:47,787 --> 00:19:50,423 But, just like anyone who ever threatened to leave... 560 00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:51,791 - Not doing it. 561 00:19:51,791 --> 00:19:52,792 - I am done! 562 00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:54,493 - Bye. Thank you all for coming. 563 00:19:54,493 --> 00:19:55,995 - You know I can't stay away.