1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,833 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:04,958 --> 00:00:12,083 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:13,042 --> 00:00:14,583 [phone rings] 4 00:00:14,667 --> 00:00:16,000 - Hello. 5 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:18,667 - To accept, press five now. [phone beeps] 6 00:00:18,792 --> 00:00:19,958 - Yo. 7 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:21,708 - What's up? 8 00:00:23,042 --> 00:00:24,375 - Me and my brother, we talked on the phone 9 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:26,125 every single day while he was in federal prison 10 00:00:26,292 --> 00:00:28,125 for selling drugs. 11 00:00:28,208 --> 00:00:30,458 What you think about my career, man? 12 00:00:40,708 --> 00:00:42,333 - I've talked to my brother plenty of times 13 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:45,500 about him doing the wrong thing in life. 14 00:00:45,583 --> 00:00:49,250 But you look at what sent Reginald Jr. the wrong way. 15 00:00:49,333 --> 00:00:51,417 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:51,542 --> 00:00:54,833 I can believe Mr. Crenshaw did everything he can 17 00:00:54,917 --> 00:00:56,333 for us to change his son's life 18 00:00:56,417 --> 00:00:59,250 about what he was doing, but it's hard. 19 00:00:59,375 --> 00:01:02,667 - Regardless of what happens, you still love your child. 20 00:01:02,750 --> 00:01:05,042 Knowing that Reginald was in the street, 21 00:01:05,167 --> 00:01:07,208 it was just my prayer that I would not wake up 22 00:01:07,375 --> 00:01:10,542 and hear about somebody murdering him. 23 00:01:10,625 --> 00:01:11,708 I've lost my son. 24 00:01:11,875 --> 00:01:13,708 I lost my son. 25 00:01:13,708 --> 00:01:15,000 ♪ ♪ 26 00:01:15,083 --> 00:01:16,792 - To me, the difference between 27 00:01:16,875 --> 00:01:20,000 what happened with my brother and Reginald is, 28 00:01:20,125 --> 00:01:23,500 look, drug dealing is always a dangerous game, 29 00:01:23,583 --> 00:01:27,292 and it only leads in two ways, death or prison. 30 00:01:27,375 --> 00:01:29,750 ♪ ♪ 31 00:01:29,875 --> 00:01:31,917 narrator: For those most affected by a homicide, 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,083 the first 48 is just the beginning. 33 00:01:36,167 --> 00:01:39,000 This is the story of the fight for justice 34 00:01:39,083 --> 00:01:42,833 in the weeks, months, and years 35 00:01:42,958 --> 00:01:45,542 after the first 48. 36 00:01:45,667 --> 00:01:51,792 ♪ ♪ 37 00:01:51,875 --> 00:01:58,667 ♪ ♪ 38 00:01:58,750 --> 00:02:00,833 [line trills] 39 00:02:15,958 --> 00:02:17,708 [siren wailing] 40 00:02:17,833 --> 00:02:24,750 ♪ ♪ 41 00:02:31,083 --> 00:02:33,083 - I look at life through different lenses 42 00:02:33,208 --> 00:02:34,917 with the work that I do. 43 00:02:35,042 --> 00:02:37,083 Growing up in the hood, 44 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:39,000 you don't see all the doctors and lawyers 45 00:02:39,167 --> 00:02:40,833 and things like that. 46 00:02:40,917 --> 00:02:43,833 Drug selling is a problem. 47 00:02:43,958 --> 00:02:45,750 You saw mostly your dope boys, 48 00:02:45,875 --> 00:02:48,250 and those are the people that you looked up to. 49 00:02:48,375 --> 00:02:51,167 But I'd steer the other way. 50 00:02:51,208 --> 00:02:52,667 What's up with you? - What's going on, bro? 51 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:53,875 - Nothing much. 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,375 ♪ ♪ 53 00:03:10,083 --> 00:03:11,375 ♪ ♪ 54 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:12,625 narrator: One of the victims 55 00:03:12,708 --> 00:03:15,333 is 28-year-old Brandon Cadwell. 56 00:03:15,375 --> 00:03:17,333 He worked at a local hibachi restaurant 57 00:03:17,417 --> 00:03:22,000 and is survived by his parents and three brothers. 58 00:03:22,083 --> 00:03:24,792 - Going into homicide investigations, 59 00:03:24,875 --> 00:03:27,042 you're constantly thinking about the victim 60 00:03:27,167 --> 00:03:28,667 and the resolve for that victim, 61 00:03:28,792 --> 00:03:31,292 because the victim is the only person 62 00:03:31,375 --> 00:03:33,292 that doesn't have a seat at the table, 63 00:03:33,375 --> 00:03:34,625 the only person that doesn't have a voice. 64 00:03:34,750 --> 00:03:37,292 ♪ ♪ 65 00:03:37,417 --> 00:03:40,000 narrator: Brandon was shot five times 66 00:03:40,083 --> 00:03:41,333 in the back of his head, 67 00:03:41,417 --> 00:03:44,333 his face, neck, and arm. 68 00:03:44,458 --> 00:03:47,917 - There's a bullet hole in the door right there 69 00:03:48,042 --> 00:03:49,542 where he would have been standing. 70 00:03:49,667 --> 00:03:50,833 ♪ ♪ 71 00:03:50,917 --> 00:03:53,083 - Phew. 72 00:03:53,208 --> 00:03:56,542 - And then the other guy on the right. 73 00:03:56,667 --> 00:03:59,500 - This particular crime scene was overwhelming. 74 00:03:59,542 --> 00:04:02,333 You've got not one victim but two. 75 00:04:02,458 --> 00:04:05,042 narrator: 31-year-old Reginald Crenshaw Jr. 76 00:04:05,125 --> 00:04:09,000 leaves behind his mother, father, and three children. 77 00:04:09,083 --> 00:04:10,500 He coached his daughter 78 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:13,125 and nephew's Little League teams. 79 00:04:13,208 --> 00:04:15,417 - It hits home for me. 80 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:17,750 I didn't know Reginald personally, 81 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:19,875 but I played against him in sports. 82 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,167 Middle school ball, we played against each other, 83 00:04:22,167 --> 00:04:24,833 and also in high school. 84 00:04:24,958 --> 00:04:27,167 narrator: Reginald was shot eight times 85 00:04:27,333 --> 00:04:29,625 in his head and back. 86 00:04:29,708 --> 00:04:31,208 - There was a significant amount of blood. 87 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:33,542 Then to look at the physical evidence 88 00:04:33,667 --> 00:04:36,667 both inside and outside of the residence. 89 00:04:36,792 --> 00:04:40,083 - There are seven shell casings in the hallway here. 90 00:04:40,208 --> 00:04:43,250 ♪ ♪ 91 00:04:43,375 --> 00:04:45,875 There's two in that room there. 92 00:04:46,042 --> 00:04:47,792 - .40 S&W. 93 00:04:50,042 --> 00:04:52,000 narrator: And on the driveway... 94 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:54,583 ♪ ♪ 95 00:04:54,708 --> 00:04:57,583 - .223 R-E-M. 96 00:04:57,708 --> 00:04:58,833 ♪ ♪ 97 00:04:58,958 --> 00:05:01,542 narrator: The team finds seven rifle casings. 98 00:05:01,667 --> 00:05:02,917 ♪ ♪ 99 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:09,542 - Yeah. 100 00:05:13,208 --> 00:05:14,417 - Yeah. 101 00:05:14,542 --> 00:05:17,667 - We found .40-caliber casings inside 102 00:05:17,750 --> 00:05:20,250 and then .223-caliber fired casings 103 00:05:20,417 --> 00:05:22,042 that were outside that somebody had fired 104 00:05:22,125 --> 00:05:25,167 into the home through the window. 105 00:05:25,292 --> 00:05:27,500 I was thinking maybe one or both 106 00:05:27,583 --> 00:05:30,167 of the victims returned fire 107 00:05:30,292 --> 00:05:32,375 and ended up dying as a result of it. 108 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:37,292 - To see this level of carnage, 109 00:05:37,375 --> 00:05:38,833 the destruction of the home, 110 00:05:38,917 --> 00:05:42,958 it was something almost from a movie. 111 00:05:43,042 --> 00:05:44,458 Why did this happen? 112 00:05:44,583 --> 00:05:48,000 This wasn't an area that was ridden with gun violence. 113 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,000 It was something that was very rarely seen. 114 00:05:51,083 --> 00:05:53,042 And so it gives us pause. 115 00:05:53,167 --> 00:05:55,583 What's really going on? 116 00:05:55,667 --> 00:05:57,125 - Do you think they took anything? 117 00:05:57,208 --> 00:05:59,000 Or you think it was just a hit? 118 00:05:59,083 --> 00:06:00,667 - I don't know. 119 00:06:00,792 --> 00:06:02,542 narrator: As officers look for fingerprints 120 00:06:02,625 --> 00:06:05,333 and signs of DNA... 121 00:06:06,708 --> 00:06:07,833 - Yeah. 122 00:06:07,917 --> 00:06:09,500 narrator: One of Brandon's relatives 123 00:06:09,583 --> 00:06:13,417 who also lives in the house comes forward. 124 00:06:13,417 --> 00:06:15,083 - Get in the front seat. 125 00:06:15,167 --> 00:06:16,667 ♪ ♪ 126 00:06:16,792 --> 00:06:18,917 When all this was happening, where were you at? 127 00:06:44,875 --> 00:06:45,833 - OK. 128 00:06:45,958 --> 00:06:47,708 - So if he hadn't left, that relative 129 00:06:47,875 --> 00:06:49,167 definitely could have been the third victim 130 00:06:49,292 --> 00:06:50,667 inside of the house. 131 00:06:50,792 --> 00:06:53,708 I'm hoping that he's gonna know what's going on and why. 132 00:06:56,375 --> 00:06:57,667 narrator: He says earlier that night, 133 00:06:57,750 --> 00:06:59,500 he was hanging out with Brandon 134 00:06:59,583 --> 00:07:02,458 when Reginald had visitors. 135 00:07:22,542 --> 00:07:25,292 - So one thing that goes in my mind is that, all right, 136 00:07:25,417 --> 00:07:28,250 was this a drug rip, or did they know 137 00:07:28,375 --> 00:07:30,000 that it was some money in there 138 00:07:30,167 --> 00:07:32,458 that they was going in to get? 139 00:07:32,542 --> 00:07:35,500 Fast money is what people are attracted to. 140 00:07:35,625 --> 00:07:37,708 They don't want to go out and work a 8:00-to-5:00 141 00:07:37,833 --> 00:07:41,083 so will grab some marijuana, grab cocaine, 142 00:07:41,208 --> 00:07:42,500 and go out and sell it. 143 00:07:42,542 --> 00:07:44,500 You don't need an education to do that. 144 00:07:44,542 --> 00:07:47,000 You just get up, and you just do it. 145 00:07:47,042 --> 00:07:50,750 - Getting that information that Mr. Crenshaw sold drugs 146 00:07:50,875 --> 00:07:54,292 gave us an angle to start going in. 147 00:07:54,375 --> 00:07:55,792 If he's got as much money 148 00:07:55,875 --> 00:07:57,208 as you're saying that he's got, 149 00:07:57,333 --> 00:07:58,917 why is he staying here with you? 150 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:04,958 - Brandon's relative, he was able to explain 151 00:08:05,042 --> 00:08:06,458 that his house was hot. 152 00:08:06,542 --> 00:08:09,417 So Reginald wanted to kind of change 153 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:11,167 the environment that he operated in. 154 00:08:28,042 --> 00:08:28,958 - Hmm. 155 00:08:43,792 --> 00:08:44,875 ♪ ♪ 156 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,458 - Brandon was perhaps an eyewitness. 157 00:08:48,542 --> 00:08:50,292 And I think that merely because he was there, 158 00:08:50,375 --> 00:08:52,292 it caused his death. 159 00:08:52,375 --> 00:08:53,708 ♪ ♪ 160 00:08:53,875 --> 00:08:56,750 And the fact that Mr. Crenshaw obviously 161 00:08:56,875 --> 00:08:59,750 decided to sell drugs in and of itself 162 00:08:59,875 --> 00:09:03,958 should not have warranted a death sentence. 163 00:09:04,042 --> 00:09:07,042 Once we were able to validate that bag was missing 164 00:09:07,167 --> 00:09:09,708 and there were no drugs inside of the house, 165 00:09:09,833 --> 00:09:12,167 we assumed at that point that it was a robbery. 166 00:09:12,208 --> 00:09:14,042 ♪ ♪ 167 00:09:14,125 --> 00:09:15,292 - Hey, Jermaine? - Yeah. 168 00:09:15,375 --> 00:09:17,042 ♪ ♪ 169 00:09:17,208 --> 00:09:20,542 narrator: The team finds a phone in Reginald's pocket. 170 00:09:20,667 --> 00:09:22,667 - Where it relates to drug sales, 171 00:09:22,792 --> 00:09:24,625 you know that communication is gonna be done 172 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:26,125 through that phone. 173 00:09:26,208 --> 00:09:30,917 ♪ ♪ 174 00:09:31,042 --> 00:09:34,042 Anytime I investigate a case that's involving drugs, 175 00:09:34,167 --> 00:09:36,000 my mind goes to, 176 00:09:36,083 --> 00:09:38,750 this could have been my brother. 177 00:09:38,875 --> 00:09:40,917 My brother was selling cocaine. 178 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,083 But of course, it caught up to him. 179 00:09:43,167 --> 00:09:45,625 What saved him was him going to federal prison. 180 00:09:45,708 --> 00:09:48,667 If my brother was out during that time, 181 00:09:48,708 --> 00:09:50,917 I know for sure my brother would probably be dead now. 182 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,750 ♪ ♪ 183 00:09:52,875 --> 00:09:55,000 Now I'm off to headquarters. 184 00:09:55,083 --> 00:09:57,250 I'm looking to find any person that was in that phone 185 00:09:57,375 --> 00:10:00,458 saying that they were on their way to that residence. 186 00:10:00,542 --> 00:10:02,583 We knew that that was gonna be our suspect. 187 00:10:02,667 --> 00:10:03,875 ♪ ♪ 188 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:12,917 ♪ ♪ 189 00:10:13,042 --> 00:10:15,833 [somber music] 190 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:22,958 ♪ ♪ 191 00:10:24,125 --> 00:10:27,875 - Reginald Jr. was my second-oldest son. 192 00:10:28,042 --> 00:10:30,583 You see we started him off early with his bow tie. 193 00:10:30,708 --> 00:10:33,000 Quite dapper. 194 00:10:33,125 --> 00:10:35,667 All the nieces and aunts and stuff 195 00:10:35,792 --> 00:10:37,292 called him Little Reginald, 196 00:10:37,375 --> 00:10:39,583 and I was the Big Reginald. 197 00:10:39,708 --> 00:10:42,208 When Reg was a kid, he loved sports. 198 00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,000 Basketball was his game. 199 00:10:44,125 --> 00:10:47,958 This was on the front page of "The Mobile Press-Register." 200 00:10:48,083 --> 00:10:50,083 He had a full basketball scholarship. 201 00:10:50,167 --> 00:10:53,083 It's a good feeling to watch your kid 202 00:10:53,208 --> 00:10:54,625 be successful at sports. 203 00:10:54,708 --> 00:10:56,333 They won the state championship, 204 00:10:56,458 --> 00:10:58,750 but probably about six or seven of these young men 205 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:01,833 are dead now, deceased. 206 00:11:01,958 --> 00:11:04,625 This generation, I call them the microwave generation. 207 00:11:04,625 --> 00:11:07,000 They want it quick and want it in a hurry. 208 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:09,542 And, you know, money is the one thing 209 00:11:09,542 --> 00:11:12,333 that--that seemed to be the common denominator 210 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:14,125 to that lifestyle. 211 00:11:14,208 --> 00:11:17,333 We all knew what he was doing in the street. 212 00:11:17,417 --> 00:11:20,667 I just tried to provide every avenue I possibly could 213 00:11:20,792 --> 00:11:23,167 for him to have a positive road map 214 00:11:23,292 --> 00:11:26,042 to doing something that was productive and positive. 215 00:11:26,167 --> 00:11:27,708 ♪ ♪ 216 00:11:27,833 --> 00:11:30,875 But because of the drugs, I had to tell him, 217 00:11:30,875 --> 00:11:32,833 you know, you couldn't stay here. 218 00:11:32,917 --> 00:11:36,875 Regardless of what happens, you still love your child. 219 00:11:36,875 --> 00:11:39,458 I used to hear my grandmother say a prayer that, 220 00:11:39,542 --> 00:11:42,708 Lord, don't let me bury my child. 221 00:11:42,875 --> 00:11:44,167 I know what she meant now. 222 00:11:44,292 --> 00:11:46,292 I've lost my son. 223 00:11:46,375 --> 00:11:47,500 I lost my son. 224 00:11:47,625 --> 00:11:54,792 ♪ ♪ 225 00:11:57,125 --> 00:12:00,000 [dramatic music] 226 00:12:00,125 --> 00:12:02,958 ♪ ♪ 227 00:12:03,042 --> 00:12:05,750 - I'm hoping to see texts, phone calls, 228 00:12:05,875 --> 00:12:08,542 even a voicemail, anyone advising 229 00:12:08,708 --> 00:12:10,167 that they were coming to that residence. 230 00:12:10,208 --> 00:12:12,333 narrator: Seven hours since Reginald 231 00:12:12,417 --> 00:12:14,542 and Brandon were found dead... 232 00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:16,417 - I haven't ran across anything yet 233 00:12:16,542 --> 00:12:18,958 that says, you know, that my victim was meeting up 234 00:12:19,042 --> 00:12:20,958 at the house with somebody. 235 00:12:21,042 --> 00:12:22,292 And when you get to a phone and you're like, 236 00:12:22,375 --> 00:12:25,625 I know it's something in here, and then it's not, 237 00:12:25,708 --> 00:12:27,875 that's the worst feeling because you know 238 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,833 that this phone held all my answers. 239 00:12:30,958 --> 00:12:32,333 - You start to get nervous. 240 00:12:32,458 --> 00:12:35,167 You start to get anxious because you go into it 241 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:37,292 wanting to resolve it for the family. 242 00:12:37,375 --> 00:12:44,250 ♪ ♪ 243 00:12:46,167 --> 00:12:49,625 narrator: 17 hours into the investigation... 244 00:12:49,708 --> 00:12:51,000 - Hey, man. 245 00:12:51,125 --> 00:12:55,000 ID just got a print back from inside the house 246 00:12:55,083 --> 00:12:57,083 off one of the doorjambs. 247 00:12:57,167 --> 00:13:00,500 And it comes back to a guy named Larry Jackson. 248 00:13:00,583 --> 00:13:06,083 ♪ ♪ 249 00:13:06,208 --> 00:13:08,542 - Larry Jackson. 250 00:13:08,625 --> 00:13:10,000 - It was what we needed. 251 00:13:10,167 --> 00:13:12,250 His fingerprint could have been inside of the house 252 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:14,750 from him participating in the murder, 253 00:13:14,875 --> 00:13:16,500 or it could have been inside of the house 254 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:17,917 from him merely visiting. 255 00:13:18,042 --> 00:13:20,958 That fingerprint was the absolute key 256 00:13:21,083 --> 00:13:24,875 in giving us a suspect to start looking at. 257 00:13:24,958 --> 00:13:26,917 narrator: 21-year-old Larry Jackson 258 00:13:27,042 --> 00:13:28,750 works at a shipbuilding company. 259 00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:31,958 He has no previous convictions. 260 00:13:32,083 --> 00:13:33,667 - If someone don't have priors, 261 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:35,042 I don't say, well, this can't be my guy. 262 00:13:35,167 --> 00:13:36,625 He doesn't have any priors. 263 00:13:36,708 --> 00:13:37,750 In some cases, when you get in trouble, 264 00:13:37,833 --> 00:13:38,917 it has to start somewhere. 265 00:13:39,042 --> 00:13:40,917 Maybe you just haven't been caught yet 266 00:13:41,042 --> 00:13:42,375 in what you were doing. 267 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:44,833 ♪ ♪ 268 00:13:44,958 --> 00:13:46,750 Looked up his last metro, and it gave me 269 00:13:46,833 --> 00:13:49,167 a phone number. 270 00:13:49,292 --> 00:13:52,375 Let me see. 300... 271 00:13:52,458 --> 00:13:54,500 narrator: Rogers now has the detailed records 272 00:13:54,625 --> 00:13:56,500 on Reginald's calls. 273 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:57,750 - We wanted to see whether or not 274 00:13:57,875 --> 00:13:59,542 there was any communication 275 00:13:59,667 --> 00:14:01,833 between Larry Jackson and Reginald. 276 00:14:01,958 --> 00:14:04,875 - 'Cause he talk to him at-- - 10:32? 277 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,083 - Yeah, 10:32. My caller. 278 00:14:06,167 --> 00:14:07,458 - Last night? - Yeah. 279 00:14:07,583 --> 00:14:09,000 - Yeah. - Oh, yeah, dude. 280 00:14:09,125 --> 00:14:10,042 And then his print's in the house? 281 00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:11,333 - Fingerprint in the house? 282 00:14:11,417 --> 00:14:13,083 - At that point, we were under the impression 283 00:14:13,208 --> 00:14:16,917 that perhaps Larry contacted Reginald 284 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,333 to buy or either sell drugs. 285 00:14:19,417 --> 00:14:20,750 And then this could have happened 286 00:14:20,875 --> 00:14:22,333 either around that time or sometime after. 287 00:14:25,083 --> 00:14:26,583 - We need to pick that dude up. 288 00:14:26,667 --> 00:14:28,125 ♪ ♪ 289 00:14:28,208 --> 00:14:30,667 - Ready? 290 00:14:30,792 --> 00:14:32,500 We're going to the house, and I'm excited. 291 00:14:32,667 --> 00:14:34,125 [engine turning over] 292 00:14:34,208 --> 00:14:35,667 I'm like, this guy has to explain 293 00:14:35,792 --> 00:14:38,500 why his fingerprints is in this house. 294 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:40,417 narrator: 20 hours in... 295 00:14:40,542 --> 00:14:47,458 ♪ ♪ 296 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:52,125 - Hey, how you doing? 297 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,625 - We were able to make contact with a relative 298 00:14:56,708 --> 00:14:59,000 who had told us some good information. 299 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:03,000 - Wow. He was shot. 300 00:15:03,083 --> 00:15:05,667 And we know that the residence where our victim was 301 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,417 was riddled with bullets. 302 00:15:07,542 --> 00:15:10,917 - Not only now do we have his fingerprints 303 00:15:11,042 --> 00:15:13,542 inside of the residence and then the communication, 304 00:15:13,667 --> 00:15:17,292 but now he's sustained an injury from a gunshot. 305 00:15:24,333 --> 00:15:25,417 - Mm-hmm. 306 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:33,708 narrator: The relative gives the name of the friend 307 00:15:33,792 --> 00:15:36,250 who took Larry to the ER. 308 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:39,208 - If Larry's friend was with him 309 00:15:39,292 --> 00:15:41,625 and in a position to take him to the hospital, 310 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:43,833 then perhaps he was with him 311 00:15:43,958 --> 00:15:45,958 at the time that this murder occurred. 312 00:15:46,042 --> 00:15:47,292 Is he still at the hospital? 313 00:15:49,625 --> 00:15:51,333 - All right. 314 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:54,750 - The relative told us he was shot 315 00:15:54,875 --> 00:15:55,833 in the city of Prichard. 316 00:15:55,917 --> 00:15:59,625 ♪ ♪ 317 00:15:59,708 --> 00:16:02,208 - But we end up calling Prichard and checking 318 00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:04,000 to see if there was any shots fired 319 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:05,750 or anything during that time, 320 00:16:05,875 --> 00:16:07,500 and there wasn't. 321 00:16:07,583 --> 00:16:14,458 ♪ ♪ 322 00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:19,958 - OK, so we talked to the front desk lady. 323 00:16:20,042 --> 00:16:21,875 They said that, oh, he had just 324 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,458 gotten wheeled out by a friend. 325 00:16:23,542 --> 00:16:25,458 ♪ ♪ 326 00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:26,708 He must have gotten word 327 00:16:26,833 --> 00:16:28,500 that we were coming to the hospital. 328 00:16:28,625 --> 00:16:30,750 - They're gone. Didn't check out, just left. 329 00:16:30,875 --> 00:16:34,208 It hurts because we know that we're on their trail, 330 00:16:34,333 --> 00:16:37,042 and they beat us by maybe minutes. 331 00:16:37,208 --> 00:16:40,125 And I think that the relative gave them the heads-up 332 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:41,792 that we were coming. 333 00:16:41,875 --> 00:16:43,500 - Security combed the area. 334 00:16:43,583 --> 00:16:44,833 He's nowhere to be found. 335 00:16:44,958 --> 00:16:48,708 - Larry Jackson and his friend had a head start in running, 336 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:51,500 but you can't run forever. 337 00:16:51,583 --> 00:16:53,833 - Larry's friend is now a person of interest. 338 00:16:53,958 --> 00:16:55,167 ♪ ♪ 339 00:16:55,375 --> 00:16:59,000 narrator: His house is the team's next stop. 340 00:16:59,083 --> 00:17:00,958 - What I believe is that they come over there, 341 00:17:01,042 --> 00:17:02,333 pretty much rob this guy. 342 00:17:02,458 --> 00:17:04,667 Maybe it took too long, went inside. 343 00:17:04,750 --> 00:17:08,667 Gunshots start going off, and he gets shot also. 344 00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:10,250 Which it makes sense now. 345 00:17:10,375 --> 00:17:12,333 If you have another person in there with you 346 00:17:12,417 --> 00:17:14,000 and you got that many shell casings 347 00:17:14,083 --> 00:17:16,000 inside of the house, 348 00:17:16,083 --> 00:17:18,917 somebody else is bound to get hit, 349 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,792 and Larry was the one that got hit. 350 00:17:21,875 --> 00:17:24,292 - Hopefully, the friend is there. 351 00:17:24,375 --> 00:17:26,167 Hopefully, the friend can give us 352 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:27,375 some additional information. 353 00:17:27,458 --> 00:17:29,042 ♪ ♪ 354 00:17:29,125 --> 00:17:30,458 [knocking] 355 00:17:30,542 --> 00:17:32,125 - Mobile Police. 356 00:17:37,458 --> 00:17:44,042 ♪ ♪ 357 00:17:47,542 --> 00:17:50,667 - At this point, not only are we looking for Larry Jackson. 358 00:17:50,750 --> 00:17:52,792 We're looking for the friend. 359 00:17:52,875 --> 00:17:54,792 narrator: 20 hours in... 360 00:17:54,792 --> 00:17:56,667 [knocking] - Mobile Police. 361 00:17:56,833 --> 00:17:59,167 - Our perspective is, the two are still together, 362 00:17:59,250 --> 00:18:01,792 so we went to the friend's house. 363 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:06,292 - It was frustrating, but we're talking about 364 00:18:06,375 --> 00:18:08,417 a case where there's a double murder. 365 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:10,167 People don't just go back home. 366 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:13,375 Gave us the indication that we were on the right path. 367 00:18:13,542 --> 00:18:15,292 - Pretty sure this guy's somewhere, 368 00:18:15,375 --> 00:18:18,042 probably hurting or trying to seek some type of assistance 369 00:18:18,167 --> 00:18:19,000 from somebody. 370 00:18:19,125 --> 00:18:22,292 ♪ ♪ 371 00:18:22,375 --> 00:18:23,708 narrator: After checking several hospitals 372 00:18:23,833 --> 00:18:27,667 for Larry and his friend, they come up empty. 373 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:30,500 ♪ ♪ 374 00:18:30,583 --> 00:18:31,833 - It says to me that Larry Jackson 375 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,500 was now on the run. 376 00:18:33,625 --> 00:18:37,375 ♪ ♪ 377 00:18:37,458 --> 00:18:41,125 narrator: 38 hours in, Rogers searches the database 378 00:18:41,208 --> 00:18:42,833 for the second suspect. 379 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,542 - Doesn't have a criminal history. 380 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,458 You know, he's, what, 22 years old. 381 00:18:48,583 --> 00:18:52,083 - We could not link him directly to the scene. 382 00:18:52,208 --> 00:18:53,583 narrator: But Rogers could have enough 383 00:18:53,708 --> 00:18:56,500 to arrest Larry Jackson. 384 00:18:56,667 --> 00:19:03,500 ♪ ♪ 385 00:19:03,708 --> 00:19:05,292 - Phew! 386 00:19:05,375 --> 00:19:08,250 Like Mr. Rogers say, great day in the neighborhood, you know? 387 00:19:08,333 --> 00:19:10,667 So I got this murder warrant. 388 00:19:10,792 --> 00:19:12,667 Got it for murder 389 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:15,167 and also shooting into an occupied dwelling. 390 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:16,667 It means a lot to get their approval 391 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:20,000 for a murder warrant for Larry Jackson. 392 00:19:20,083 --> 00:19:23,000 We believe that he was definitely our guy. 393 00:19:23,208 --> 00:19:24,583 So right now, we're gonna hand it over 394 00:19:24,708 --> 00:19:26,667 to the U.S. Marshals, and hopefully, 395 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,083 they can pick him up. 396 00:19:28,208 --> 00:19:33,625 ♪ ♪ 397 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:35,250 narrator: But seven days later, 398 00:19:35,333 --> 00:19:38,000 Mobile PD finds him first. 399 00:19:38,125 --> 00:19:40,458 Based on a tip, the team arrested Larry 400 00:19:40,583 --> 00:19:42,583 back at his relative's house. 401 00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:44,667 ♪ ♪ 402 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:46,375 - We believe he didn't act alone. 403 00:19:46,458 --> 00:19:48,833 So hopefully, he'll give us who the other person was. 404 00:19:48,958 --> 00:19:53,792 ♪ ♪ 405 00:19:53,875 --> 00:19:57,000 OK, we brought you in to talk about this incident, 406 00:19:57,167 --> 00:19:59,083 your injury and everything. 407 00:19:59,208 --> 00:20:00,833 - What happened to your leg? 408 00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:06,625 - Even though we had identified him as a suspect, 409 00:20:06,708 --> 00:20:09,458 we wanted to talk to him from this place 410 00:20:09,583 --> 00:20:12,417 of understanding his injury. 411 00:20:12,542 --> 00:20:14,583 We wanted to ease into the conversation 412 00:20:14,708 --> 00:20:16,333 about the double murder. 413 00:20:16,375 --> 00:20:18,167 - Why'd this happen to you? 414 00:20:18,292 --> 00:20:19,667 Can you walk me through that? 415 00:20:19,833 --> 00:20:21,292 ♪ ♪ 416 00:20:25,083 --> 00:20:27,833 - He was definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time, 417 00:20:27,958 --> 00:20:29,875 but it was by his choice. 418 00:20:29,958 --> 00:20:32,250 He was at the crime scene. 419 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:34,708 - Talk to us about that incident when you got shot. 420 00:20:37,625 --> 00:20:39,750 ♪ ♪ 421 00:20:45,542 --> 00:20:46,958 - Just gonna tell you right now 422 00:20:47,083 --> 00:20:48,792 what you're being charged with-- 423 00:20:48,917 --> 00:20:50,875 two counts of murder, OK? 424 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,667 ♪ ♪ 425 00:20:52,750 --> 00:20:55,458 We made an arrest with Larry Jackson, 426 00:20:55,583 --> 00:20:58,750 but we know that there is more than just Larry Jackson. 427 00:20:58,875 --> 00:21:05,750 ♪ ♪ 428 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:09,792 - We were trying to get information 429 00:21:09,875 --> 00:21:12,208 to build a case against the second suspect. 430 00:21:12,292 --> 00:21:13,958 Six months go by. 431 00:21:14,083 --> 00:21:15,833 - And it was a long six months. 432 00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:16,792 narrator: Then... 433 00:21:16,917 --> 00:21:18,083 - Here you go. 434 00:21:18,875 --> 00:21:22,625 - A witness called and said that they had information. 435 00:21:22,750 --> 00:21:25,167 - This was a friend of the second suspect. 436 00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:27,000 Hopefully, the friend can give us 437 00:21:27,083 --> 00:21:29,167 what we needed to get us a warrant 438 00:21:29,208 --> 00:21:30,667 for the second suspect's arrest. 439 00:21:43,708 --> 00:21:45,917 ♪ ♪ 440 00:21:49,708 --> 00:21:51,625 - When the witness told us that potentially 441 00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:55,000 three people were involved, I was excited. 442 00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,375 Have you ever seen that guy before? 443 00:21:58,833 --> 00:21:59,833 - It's a big deal. 444 00:21:59,917 --> 00:22:01,875 Now we know that we have an additional person 445 00:22:02,042 --> 00:22:03,417 that we have to look for. 446 00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:15,417 - And did you see that cash physically with your eyes? 447 00:22:17,542 --> 00:22:19,375 - At that point, we knew what that witness had 448 00:22:19,458 --> 00:22:20,792 was pretty credible. 449 00:22:20,917 --> 00:22:22,333 It corroborated everything 450 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:24,083 that the relative gave us in the car. 451 00:22:28,708 --> 00:22:30,500 ♪ ♪ 452 00:22:30,667 --> 00:22:32,750 - Having our second suspect 453 00:22:32,875 --> 00:22:35,333 tell our witness exactly what happened 454 00:22:35,375 --> 00:22:36,750 gave us that murder warrant. 455 00:22:36,875 --> 00:22:43,708 ♪ ♪ 456 00:22:45,833 --> 00:22:47,917 - We're making some serious progress, 457 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 but we couldn't find the second suspect. 458 00:22:51,083 --> 00:22:53,125 [phone rings] 459 00:22:53,208 --> 00:22:54,833 - Yeah. 460 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,250 ♪ ♪ 461 00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:57,583 All right. 462 00:22:57,667 --> 00:22:59,500 ♪ ♪ 463 00:22:59,625 --> 00:23:02,292 People seen him walking around town. 464 00:23:02,417 --> 00:23:04,375 - I think that he had gotten comfortable 465 00:23:04,542 --> 00:23:05,750 due to the lapse of time, 466 00:23:05,875 --> 00:23:08,167 assuming that we were not looking for him. 467 00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:11,333 - You know, his luck's running out. 468 00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:13,167 We're gonna call the Marshals 469 00:23:13,292 --> 00:23:15,667 and see if they can get him into custody. 470 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:16,833 ♪ ♪ 471 00:23:16,875 --> 00:23:19,667 At some point, hide-and-seek has to end. 472 00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:25,750 ♪ ♪ 473 00:23:27,083 --> 00:23:29,500 narrator: After three days of searching, 474 00:23:29,583 --> 00:23:31,958 federal agents find the second suspect 475 00:23:32,042 --> 00:23:35,250 parked in front of a local apartment building. 476 00:23:35,375 --> 00:23:36,667 - I'm excited. 477 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:39,500 Six months after we've interviewed our first suspect. 478 00:23:39,583 --> 00:23:41,917 So at this point, I've done all my homework. 479 00:23:42,042 --> 00:23:46,417 - We were hopeful that he would tell us his side of the story. 480 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:49,167 We know that you were over there with Larry. 481 00:23:49,208 --> 00:23:50,833 ♪ ♪ 482 00:23:50,958 --> 00:23:53,458 Now, what happened while you were there 483 00:23:53,542 --> 00:23:57,167 is what we expect you to talk to us about. 484 00:24:02,917 --> 00:24:09,375 ♪ ♪ 485 00:24:09,458 --> 00:24:12,333 - The second suspect has to explain 486 00:24:12,458 --> 00:24:14,792 why his name has come up in this double homicide. 487 00:24:16,583 --> 00:24:19,750 - He calls Larry Jackson by the name of Ledo. 488 00:24:22,458 --> 00:24:24,708 - Who was all in Ledo's car? 489 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,500 - And who else? 490 00:24:26,542 --> 00:24:30,958 ♪ ♪ 491 00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:36,208 - So we get the name Josh, and we're thinking, 492 00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:38,625 OK, this can be our third suspect. 493 00:24:44,542 --> 00:24:46,625 ♪ ♪ 494 00:24:53,375 --> 00:24:55,125 - So what kind of gun Josh was shooting? 495 00:24:58,708 --> 00:25:02,500 - This was an explanation for the .223-caliber casings 496 00:25:02,625 --> 00:25:03,958 that were fired outside. 497 00:25:04,042 --> 00:25:06,458 ♪ ♪ 498 00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:09,333 So at this point, we were pretty convinced 499 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:11,875 that what he said happened. 500 00:25:12,042 --> 00:25:13,458 - OK, where was Larry? 501 00:25:18,042 --> 00:25:20,458 narrator: It was Josh who wounded Larry, 502 00:25:20,625 --> 00:25:22,583 according to the second suspect. 503 00:25:22,708 --> 00:25:24,708 - How? Tell me how. 504 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,167 - He stated that Reginald, one of the victims, 505 00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:31,750 opened the door. 506 00:25:31,833 --> 00:25:35,042 - And they saw Joshua standing outside. 507 00:25:42,125 --> 00:25:45,667 - It's possible that Joshua shot into that residence, 508 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:49,750 which started a chain reaction to what happened inside. 509 00:25:49,875 --> 00:25:52,542 - At that moment, it was complete chaos, 510 00:25:52,667 --> 00:25:55,917 where everybody is trying to survive. 511 00:25:56,042 --> 00:25:57,292 ♪ ♪ 512 00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:06,208 narrator: He says he saw Larry fleeing the house. 513 00:26:11,083 --> 00:26:12,583 - So tell me this. 514 00:26:12,667 --> 00:26:14,083 What was taken? 515 00:26:17,875 --> 00:26:19,833 ♪ ♪ 516 00:26:19,917 --> 00:26:21,167 - Listen. 517 00:26:21,292 --> 00:26:22,875 Did Larry tell you that he shot inside the house? 518 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,917 ♪ ♪ 519 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:26,333 He did? 520 00:26:26,417 --> 00:26:27,667 ♪ ♪ 521 00:26:30,667 --> 00:26:33,583 - Getting the information that he provided 522 00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:36,917 was good for us, was good for the investigation. 523 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,375 - Our second suspect wasn't as hard 524 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,000 as you would think he would be. 525 00:26:41,083 --> 00:26:42,500 I think he knew that he was in trouble. 526 00:26:42,667 --> 00:26:43,792 So when did you fire your shot? 527 00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:45,667 I'ma get straight to the point. 528 00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:47,500 When did you fire your shots? 529 00:26:47,583 --> 00:26:49,917 ♪ ♪ 530 00:26:54,792 --> 00:26:56,792 - So you never went inside the house? 531 00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:01,708 - He did say he was there, 532 00:27:01,792 --> 00:27:03,625 but he was trying to distance himself. 533 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:05,833 He didn't know what was going on. 534 00:27:05,917 --> 00:27:08,500 In his mind, well, if he didn't shoot, 535 00:27:08,583 --> 00:27:10,917 then he wouldn't be in trouble. 536 00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:16,208 - But people don't realize 537 00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:18,208 that they're as culpable, whether or not 538 00:27:18,208 --> 00:27:21,125 they were the driver or the shooters. 539 00:27:21,208 --> 00:27:25,125 - He's getting arrested and charged with two murders. 540 00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:27,458 There's a third suspect that we're looking for, 541 00:27:27,542 --> 00:27:30,000 but at this point, we hand over both cases 542 00:27:30,125 --> 00:27:32,583 for Larry Jackson, our second suspect, 543 00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:35,000 over to the DA's office. 544 00:27:35,083 --> 00:27:39,833 ♪ ♪ 545 00:27:39,917 --> 00:27:43,167 - Even though the arrest warrant may have been issued, 546 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:46,167 it's not as cut-and-dry as you would think. 547 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:49,667 We did not recover the firearm in this case. 548 00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:51,500 And you don't have an eyewitness 549 00:27:51,625 --> 00:27:54,667 that saw him shooting in the house. 550 00:27:54,750 --> 00:27:57,292 And anytime that you have codefendants in a case 551 00:27:57,375 --> 00:28:00,042 and one's testifying against another one, 552 00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:02,167 their testimony is always gonna be 553 00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:04,292 very strictly scrutinized. 554 00:28:04,375 --> 00:28:06,875 But they're looking at life without parole 555 00:28:06,958 --> 00:28:08,750 or the death penalty. 556 00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,167 So the stakes are high. 557 00:28:11,250 --> 00:28:13,833 narrator: 15 months after the double homicide, 558 00:28:13,875 --> 00:28:17,208 the prosecution prepares for trial. 559 00:28:17,292 --> 00:28:18,875 - You never know what a jury's gonna do 560 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,792 and especially in capital cases when jurors, a lot of times, 561 00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:23,667 want to be convinced beyond all doubt. 562 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,042 ♪ ♪ 563 00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:27,917 - Larry Jackson can take the stand 564 00:28:28,042 --> 00:28:30,458 and say, "No, it was our second suspect 565 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:32,542 "that fired those shots. 566 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,083 I didn't have anything to do with it." 567 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:36,000 - What we needed was, you know, 568 00:28:36,042 --> 00:28:37,333 that missing piece of the puzzle, 569 00:28:37,417 --> 00:28:40,500 two people that are both pointing the finger at Larry 570 00:28:40,625 --> 00:28:43,042 and not just one. 571 00:28:43,167 --> 00:28:46,500 There's a third person that we have no idea who they are, 572 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,833 where they are, what their involvement is. 573 00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:50,875 That's gonna be a big problem. 574 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000 ♪ ♪ 575 00:28:53,125 --> 00:28:55,042 - We need to find our third suspect. 576 00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:57,208 ♪ ♪ 577 00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:08,167 ♪ ♪ 578 00:29:08,292 --> 00:29:11,542 ♪ ♪ 579 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:12,875 - It's a big day. 580 00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:16,375 I mean, 15 years, Tony finally get to come home. 581 00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:19,083 ♪ ♪ 582 00:29:19,167 --> 00:29:22,375 We're going to pick up my brother from federal prison, 583 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,500 and I am excited. 584 00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:27,583 ♪ ♪ 585 00:29:27,708 --> 00:29:29,333 So we'll be in this parking lot, 586 00:29:29,458 --> 00:29:31,083 and they'll drop him off. 587 00:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,917 So he'll be coming from that end. 588 00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:36,667 So Little Tony was about a year old when he went in, 589 00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:38,667 so only way he know his dad 590 00:29:38,792 --> 00:29:41,792 is through jail calls and visitations. 591 00:29:41,875 --> 00:29:43,167 Yeah, that's him. - Uh-huh. 592 00:29:43,292 --> 00:29:45,083 - Yeah. [laughs] 593 00:29:45,167 --> 00:29:47,417 - Stop here. 594 00:29:47,542 --> 00:29:49,542 - Yeah, it's about time! 595 00:29:49,625 --> 00:29:52,417 [laughs] 596 00:29:52,542 --> 00:29:55,542 It's about time, bro. 597 00:29:55,667 --> 00:29:57,417 What's up, man? 598 00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,458 ♪ ♪ 599 00:29:59,542 --> 00:30:03,500 Oh! [laughs] 600 00:30:03,583 --> 00:30:05,333 What's up, bro? 601 00:30:05,417 --> 00:30:08,833 [indistinct chatter] 602 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,792 My best friend's back. 603 00:30:10,875 --> 00:30:12,042 He don't know how to pop a trunk right now, 604 00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:15,083 so I got to teach him how to open the trunk. 605 00:30:15,208 --> 00:30:16,917 - I would be eating a chicken sandwich right now, 606 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,708 man, a half-done chicken sandwich. 607 00:30:18,833 --> 00:30:20,833 [indistinct chatter] 608 00:30:20,875 --> 00:30:23,333 ♪ ♪ 609 00:30:23,417 --> 00:30:24,625 - But that may be a coleslaw, though. 610 00:30:24,708 --> 00:30:25,917 You need to open it up. 611 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,042 - I finally have my little brother 612 00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:28,875 and my big brother be around. 613 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,833 - He's the little brother, but he's been more 614 00:30:30,875 --> 00:30:32,542 of a big brother to me. 615 00:30:32,542 --> 00:30:36,125 And he's held me down my whole 15 years in prison. 616 00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:41,042 Without him, there's no telling where I'd be right now. 617 00:30:41,125 --> 00:30:43,375 Family over everything. 618 00:30:43,458 --> 00:30:46,458 - Life lessons that Big Tony can give Little Tony 619 00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:48,583 could be very beneficial. 620 00:30:48,708 --> 00:30:50,667 His dad is able to tell him what not to do 621 00:30:50,875 --> 00:30:53,208 and what landed him in federal prison. 622 00:30:53,292 --> 00:30:54,792 So Tony should have an upper hand 623 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,375 on staying out of trouble. 624 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,708 [indistinct chatter, laughter] 625 00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:05,792 ♪ ♪ 626 00:31:05,875 --> 00:31:08,625 - My son lost his life 627 00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:11,458 as opposed to life in prison. 628 00:31:11,542 --> 00:31:14,167 If Reginald went to prison, it would have been hard, 629 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:16,833 but at least I'd know he was still breathing. 630 00:31:16,917 --> 00:31:24,083 ♪ ♪ 631 00:31:31,292 --> 00:31:34,208 narrator: Two years since the deaths of Brandon Cadwell 632 00:31:34,292 --> 00:31:37,500 and Reginald Crenshaw Jr. 633 00:31:37,542 --> 00:31:39,167 ♪ ♪ 634 00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:42,167 - We want to identify who this Josh is. 635 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:44,542 - We're not very sure of a last name. 636 00:31:44,708 --> 00:31:46,417 All we have is the name of Josh. 637 00:31:46,542 --> 00:31:48,417 - At this point, we've reached out 638 00:31:48,542 --> 00:31:51,875 to the second suspect and his attorney. 639 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:55,125 That's when he said, "Hey, it's Josh Williams." 640 00:31:55,208 --> 00:31:56,833 ♪ ♪ 641 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,958 narrator: 24-year-old Joshua Williams 642 00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:01,125 went to high school with Larry Jackson 643 00:32:01,208 --> 00:32:03,250 and the second suspect. 644 00:32:03,333 --> 00:32:05,708 He has no prior convictions. 645 00:32:05,833 --> 00:32:07,292 - I get excited now. 646 00:32:07,375 --> 00:32:09,500 We can check his cell phone records. 647 00:32:09,583 --> 00:32:10,708 ♪ ♪ 648 00:32:10,792 --> 00:32:12,417 And those cell phone records 649 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,000 put all three suspects around the scene 650 00:32:15,083 --> 00:32:16,500 at the time of the homicide. 651 00:32:16,542 --> 00:32:19,250 That's enough for an actual murder warrant. 652 00:32:19,333 --> 00:32:23,000 ♪ ♪ 653 00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:25,667 narrator: After two years without any leads... 654 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:27,167 ♪ ♪ 655 00:32:27,292 --> 00:32:30,458 - I found out Joshua was living in Arkansas 656 00:32:30,542 --> 00:32:33,000 with other family members and then came back 657 00:32:33,167 --> 00:32:34,875 to Mobile just to visit. 658 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,042 And he was picked up by police. 659 00:32:38,167 --> 00:32:41,000 So the thing is that we've been doing our homework. 660 00:32:41,083 --> 00:32:43,833 We have cell phone records 661 00:32:43,958 --> 00:32:47,833 with your location, your phone number, 662 00:32:47,875 --> 00:32:50,167 in the same place at the same time 663 00:32:50,208 --> 00:32:51,667 when the incident happened. 664 00:32:51,792 --> 00:32:53,333 ♪ ♪ 665 00:32:55,958 --> 00:32:56,833 - Explain it! 666 00:32:56,917 --> 00:32:59,208 ♪ ♪ 667 00:33:02,875 --> 00:33:05,667 narrator: Joshua says a couple of nights before the robbery, 668 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:08,958 Larry was upset about some marijuana he'd bought. 669 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:11,500 - OK. 670 00:33:16,875 --> 00:33:18,375 - Larry wanted his money back, 671 00:33:18,458 --> 00:33:20,125 so they came up with a plan to try to go 672 00:33:20,208 --> 00:33:23,500 and rob Reginald Crenshaw for the money. 673 00:33:23,542 --> 00:33:24,625 ♪ ♪ 674 00:33:30,292 --> 00:33:32,125 - He says they want the victims 675 00:33:32,208 --> 00:33:34,250 to come outside so they can rob them there. 676 00:33:56,958 --> 00:33:59,083 ♪ ♪ 677 00:33:59,208 --> 00:34:00,542 - Shot your rifle? 678 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:05,167 - According to Joshua, after the shots happened, 679 00:34:05,208 --> 00:34:09,292 Joshua and our second suspect left that location. 680 00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,250 But then the second suspect goes back to pick up 681 00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:14,458 Larry Jackson from the house. 682 00:34:14,542 --> 00:34:17,542 What did he tell you was going on inside the house? 683 00:34:23,792 --> 00:34:26,167 - But Larry was in the house when those shots was fired. 684 00:34:27,917 --> 00:34:29,667 - Give us a second, all right? 685 00:34:29,792 --> 00:34:32,917 - That's enough at that point to really verify what 686 00:34:32,917 --> 00:34:34,292 the second suspect had said. 687 00:34:34,375 --> 00:34:36,625 ♪ ♪ 688 00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:39,333 - All right, this is what's going on, all right? 689 00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:42,583 You're gonna be charged with four counts of capital murder. 690 00:34:44,458 --> 00:34:45,417 - Come on. 691 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,333 narrator: Now the prosecution 692 00:34:47,458 --> 00:34:50,083 has a difficult decision to make. 693 00:34:50,167 --> 00:34:53,333 - In Alabama, you cannot try codefendants together 694 00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:55,917 who have made statements against each other. 695 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,458 You always have to pick who you want to go after first 696 00:34:58,542 --> 00:35:02,250 by determining culpability levels. 697 00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:06,333 We have Larry Jackson inside the house 698 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:12,167 and then Joshua Williams with the firearm. 699 00:35:12,292 --> 00:35:18,708 You have the second suspect where the vehicle would be. 700 00:35:18,833 --> 00:35:21,958 We know from the autopsies on both of the victims 701 00:35:22,042 --> 00:35:24,542 that every single bullet that was recovered from their body 702 00:35:24,667 --> 00:35:27,125 were from the same gun, .40-caliber. 703 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,833 Larry Jackson was the only one that went 704 00:35:28,958 --> 00:35:31,333 inside the residence that night. 705 00:35:31,375 --> 00:35:32,500 And so he's the only one 706 00:35:32,583 --> 00:35:35,375 shooting the gun that killed them. 707 00:35:35,458 --> 00:35:37,917 Larry is the number one target in this case. 708 00:35:38,042 --> 00:35:45,000 ♪ ♪ 709 00:35:45,125 --> 00:35:49,000 Larry Jackson's attorney reached out to me. 710 00:35:49,083 --> 00:35:51,167 Larry Jackson had changed his tune 711 00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:54,667 and was willing to enter a guilty plea. 712 00:35:54,708 --> 00:35:59,750 ♪ ♪ 713 00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:04,250 "Do you want to take this plea, or do you want to go to court?" 714 00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:05,833 I did not want there to be a trial. 715 00:36:05,958 --> 00:36:08,667 It would have been horrifying, all of the details 716 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:11,333 and the facts about where he was shot at, 717 00:36:11,375 --> 00:36:14,500 and I just didn't want to go through that. 718 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,500 I wanted to remember him like these pictures, 719 00:36:17,583 --> 00:36:22,167 not laying up at the coroner's office. 720 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:25,500 ♪ ♪ 721 00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:29,500 - Larry Jackson pled guilty to intentional murder, 722 00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:32,208 one for the murder of Brandon Cadwell 723 00:36:32,333 --> 00:36:35,958 and one for the murder of Reginald Crenshaw Jr. 724 00:36:36,042 --> 00:36:37,833 I mean, that's big. 725 00:36:37,875 --> 00:36:43,333 ♪ ♪ 726 00:36:43,417 --> 00:36:45,208 So we have the second suspect, 727 00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:46,542 you know, we still have to deal with. 728 00:36:46,667 --> 00:36:49,125 He's agreed to testify truthfully 729 00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:51,375 against Joshua Williams. 730 00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:54,917 And in that case, we were willing to extend an offer. 731 00:36:55,042 --> 00:36:59,542 We amended the charge to a robbery in the first degree. 732 00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:03,083 ♪ ♪ 733 00:37:03,167 --> 00:37:05,000 And on the second suspect's plea day, 734 00:37:05,167 --> 00:37:07,083 he accepted responsibility. 735 00:37:07,167 --> 00:37:10,083 ♪ ♪ 736 00:37:10,167 --> 00:37:11,708 We are left with Joshua Williams. 737 00:37:11,792 --> 00:37:14,333 ♪ ♪ 738 00:37:14,417 --> 00:37:16,875 I talked extensively with his attorneys 739 00:37:16,958 --> 00:37:20,125 about plea negotiations. 740 00:37:20,208 --> 00:37:21,708 - We were definitely prepared to go to trial. 741 00:37:21,792 --> 00:37:23,083 [indistinct chatter] 742 00:37:23,208 --> 00:37:25,875 We believe it was Larry and the second suspect 743 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,500 that committed the murders. 744 00:37:27,583 --> 00:37:29,292 Joshua should never have been charged 745 00:37:29,417 --> 00:37:31,833 with capital murder or murder whatsoever. 746 00:37:37,125 --> 00:37:43,750 ♪ ♪ 747 00:37:44,625 --> 00:37:47,833 - We felt very confident that if we took this case to trial, 748 00:37:47,958 --> 00:37:51,417 we could show that Joshua was not involved 749 00:37:51,542 --> 00:37:54,167 in the killings of the two victims. 750 00:37:54,292 --> 00:37:55,750 ♪ ♪ 751 00:37:55,875 --> 00:37:57,458 - So... 752 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:11,208 - Our position was, Joshua removed himself from the scene 753 00:38:11,292 --> 00:38:13,417 before the murders took place. 754 00:38:13,542 --> 00:38:15,458 The prosecution had no evidence 755 00:38:15,542 --> 00:38:19,208 placing Joshua there at the time of the killings. 756 00:38:19,333 --> 00:38:21,875 No fingerprints from Joshua on the scene 757 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,542 anywhere inside the house, no shell casings in the house. 758 00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:28,500 But Madison's version was different from ours. 759 00:38:28,583 --> 00:38:30,208 ♪ ♪ 760 00:38:30,208 --> 00:38:32,583 - Only Larry Jackson knows exactly 761 00:38:32,708 --> 00:38:36,333 what time the victims were killed. 762 00:38:36,458 --> 00:38:38,917 But we believed that it happened 763 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,375 while the second suspect and Joshua Williams 764 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,167 were still there, 765 00:38:43,333 --> 00:38:45,708 and I told the defense counsel 766 00:38:45,792 --> 00:38:49,500 that his own client's statements 767 00:38:49,625 --> 00:38:51,000 negated that defense. 768 00:38:51,125 --> 00:38:55,042 This is Joshua Williams' statement to law enforcement. 769 00:39:02,875 --> 00:39:06,375 - He admitted to firing his rifle 770 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,958 multiple times through the front window of the residence. 771 00:39:10,042 --> 00:39:12,958 - So we had several problems with the interrogation 772 00:39:13,042 --> 00:39:15,042 of Joshua by the police. 773 00:39:15,167 --> 00:39:16,667 Joshua, he told me that he had smoked 774 00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:18,125 a significant amount of marijuana 775 00:39:18,208 --> 00:39:19,542 prior to being arrested. 776 00:39:21,708 --> 00:39:22,708 - Yeah. 777 00:39:24,917 --> 00:39:26,792 - If he wasn't in his right mind to waive 778 00:39:26,875 --> 00:39:28,583 his constitutional right to counsel, 779 00:39:28,667 --> 00:39:31,917 then everything he said during that interrogation 780 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,583 could be thrown out. 781 00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:36,667 - We felt like we had quite a bit of ammunition 782 00:39:36,792 --> 00:39:38,333 for reasonable doubt. - Mm-hmm. 783 00:39:38,458 --> 00:39:40,167 - We threw out certain theories. 784 00:39:40,292 --> 00:39:41,500 Would this work? 785 00:39:41,583 --> 00:39:42,833 How would this play to the jury? 786 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,333 - From the ballistics evidence, it was pretty clear 787 00:39:45,458 --> 00:39:48,208 that all the bullets in both bodies 788 00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:50,042 were from a single handgun. 789 00:39:50,167 --> 00:39:53,167 - And that's the one that was determined to be held by Larry. 790 00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:54,542 - Exactly. 791 00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:57,458 - But didn't Joshua shoot one shot? 792 00:39:57,542 --> 00:39:59,250 - He did, but it was from a different gun. 793 00:39:59,375 --> 00:40:02,833 Joshua's bullet went into Larry's leg. 794 00:40:02,917 --> 00:40:05,833 So he may be guilty of assault on his codefendant, 795 00:40:05,917 --> 00:40:07,542 but he's not guilty of murdering 796 00:40:07,667 --> 00:40:09,000 these two individuals. 797 00:40:09,083 --> 00:40:10,750 ♪ ♪ 798 00:40:10,875 --> 00:40:13,458 - I believe that when Joshua Williams 799 00:40:13,542 --> 00:40:15,583 had shot into the house, 800 00:40:15,708 --> 00:40:20,250 it's probably what started whatever went down inside. 801 00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:22,500 But if we can't come to an agreement, 802 00:40:22,583 --> 00:40:25,167 then we're forced to go to trial, which is a risk. 803 00:40:25,208 --> 00:40:26,833 ♪ ♪ 804 00:40:26,958 --> 00:40:30,000 narrator: After months of negotiations... 805 00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:34,250 - We ultimately decided he'd enter a blind plea 806 00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:36,417 to the two counts of felony murder, 807 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,167 and it would be up to the judge 808 00:40:38,208 --> 00:40:41,042 to determine the sentence. 809 00:40:41,125 --> 00:40:48,083 ♪ ♪ 810 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:04,333 You always wonder if you've made 811 00:41:04,375 --> 00:41:06,625 the right decision when you let someone 812 00:41:06,708 --> 00:41:10,375 plead guilty to a lesser sentence. 813 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,958 To have the family supporting our decision 814 00:41:14,042 --> 00:41:17,042 helped give myself peace as a prosecutor. 815 00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:18,500 ♪ ♪ 816 00:41:18,625 --> 00:41:20,000 - I was satisfied. 817 00:41:20,042 --> 00:41:23,208 It had been going on for six to seven years. 818 00:41:23,333 --> 00:41:26,375 And I just wanted to put an end to it 819 00:41:26,542 --> 00:41:28,500 and get justice from it. 820 00:41:28,583 --> 00:41:29,625 I'll never forget a conversation 821 00:41:29,708 --> 00:41:31,333 I had with Reginald. 822 00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:33,208 Told him, I said, "Man, if you don't change 823 00:41:33,375 --> 00:41:35,000 "your lifestyle, something bad gonna happen 824 00:41:35,167 --> 00:41:36,833 to you in the street." 825 00:41:36,917 --> 00:41:39,833 He said, "Well, we all gotta die from something." 826 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,417 That just floored me to hear a young person say that. 827 00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:47,167 ♪ ♪ 828 00:41:47,292 --> 00:41:48,792 And that just rings in my head. 829 00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:50,333 ♪ ♪ 830 00:41:50,458 --> 00:41:52,167 - Their stories are different. 831 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:57,000 With my brother, federal prison saved his life. 832 00:41:57,125 --> 00:41:59,917 - In Detective Rogers' case, his brother, 833 00:42:00,042 --> 00:42:03,500 he's blessed that he's able to get a second chance 834 00:42:03,625 --> 00:42:05,125 to turn his life around. 835 00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:09,000 - But while he went the wrong way, 836 00:42:09,083 --> 00:42:13,125 he made sure that I wasn't doing the wrong things. 837 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:15,000 And I thank him for that 838 00:42:15,125 --> 00:42:16,625 'cause I definitely wouldn't be in the position 839 00:42:16,708 --> 00:42:18,875 that I'm in today if it wasn't for him. 840 00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:23,833 - Without seeing my brother's mistakes, 841 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,292 without him actually going to federal prison, 842 00:42:27,417 --> 00:42:28,583 probably would have changed my life. 843 00:42:28,708 --> 00:42:31,125 I probably would have been doing the wrong things. 844 00:42:31,208 --> 00:42:32,833 [clears throat] 845 00:42:32,917 --> 00:42:36,417 ♪ ♪ 846 00:42:36,542 --> 00:42:39,750 It's possible my life would have been different. 847 00:42:39,875 --> 00:42:42,333 It definitely could have been different. 848 00:42:42,458 --> 00:42:46,792 ♪ ♪