1 00:00:01,752 --> 00:00:04,755 [tense music] 2 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:11,678 ♪ 3 00:00:18,477 --> 00:00:20,437 [line trills] 4 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:37,579 [sirens wailing] 5 00:00:55,973 --> 00:00:58,016 ♪ 6 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:01,103 [Narrator] For those most affected by a homicide... 7 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:03,897 - It just seemed like it was some terrible nightmare 8 00:01:03,939 --> 00:01:05,649 that I couldn't wake up from. 9 00:01:05,691 --> 00:01:08,527 [Narrator] The first 48 is just the beginning. 10 00:01:10,779 --> 00:01:12,322 - With the sheer number of shots, 11 00:01:12,364 --> 00:01:14,241 is that a targeted attack? 12 00:01:17,494 --> 00:01:19,413 - I'm thinking he's trying to kill witnesses. 13 00:01:19,454 --> 00:01:22,874 The missing piece was his name. 14 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:25,919 [Narrator] This is the story of the fight for justice... 15 00:01:25,961 --> 00:01:29,006 - I knew this was going to be an identification case. 16 00:01:29,047 --> 00:01:31,592 - Nobody saw his face. 17 00:01:33,844 --> 00:01:37,431 [Narrator] In the weeks, months, and years... 18 00:01:37,472 --> 00:01:39,308 - Can we go to a jury, 19 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:42,311 get a guilty verdict, and get life? 20 00:01:42,352 --> 00:01:44,896 [Narrator] After the first 48. 21 00:01:44,938 --> 00:01:51,862 ♪ 22 00:01:59,953 --> 00:02:01,580 [Lacy] What's up, guys? 23 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,794 [Lacy] When I got this case, 24 00:02:08,836 --> 00:02:10,672 I had only been a Homicide detective for seven months, 25 00:02:10,714 --> 00:02:12,841 so I was still fairly new to the unit. 26 00:02:12,883 --> 00:02:15,385 There was gonna be a lot of pressure. 27 00:02:15,427 --> 00:02:17,429 But I just trusted my squad mates 28 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,306 to lead me in the right direction 29 00:02:19,348 --> 00:02:20,682 and just trusted myself. 30 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:29,316 [Narrator] 29-year-old Camron Roesner was born 31 00:02:29,358 --> 00:02:31,860 in Colorado Springs and was a graduate 32 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:33,612 of the Tulsa Job Corps. 33 00:02:33,654 --> 00:02:36,406 He leaves behind his mother, brother, 34 00:02:36,448 --> 00:02:40,535 a young daughter, and extended family. 35 00:02:40,577 --> 00:02:43,789 [Lacy] How many times was he shot? 36 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:46,041 One here. 37 00:02:46,083 --> 00:02:48,377 [Narrator] Camron suffered eight gunshot wounds 38 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:50,837 in his leg, arm and torso. 39 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:52,506 ♪ 40 00:02:55,133 --> 00:03:00,263 ♪ 41 00:03:02,557 --> 00:03:03,642 [Lacy] OK. 42 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:07,104 [Lacy] All right. 43 00:03:11,483 --> 00:03:14,236 [camera shutter snaps] 44 00:03:14,277 --> 00:03:16,405 - Just by the sheer amount of shell casings 45 00:03:16,405 --> 00:03:18,198 that were found, this was someone 46 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,825 going into this apartment and trying to kill 47 00:03:19,866 --> 00:03:20,951 everyone inside of there. 48 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:22,369 [radio chatter] 49 00:03:22,411 --> 00:03:24,121 [camera shutter snaps] 50 00:03:24,162 --> 00:03:26,873 [Narrator] The recovered casings are all 9 millimeter. 51 00:03:26,915 --> 00:03:28,667 ♪ 52 00:03:28,708 --> 00:03:30,585 [Lacy] It looks like he might have been shot in the bed. 53 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:33,088 [camera shutter snaps] 54 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:38,927 [Nathan] But why it happened, who was involved, 55 00:03:38,969 --> 00:03:41,680 there's a lot more questions than answers at this point. 56 00:03:41,721 --> 00:03:44,808 So we have a lot of ground work to do. 57 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:47,227 [Lacy] Was he here by himself when he was shot? 58 00:03:51,648 --> 00:03:52,732 - I was happy that there was witnesses 59 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:54,151 that I could interview. 60 00:03:54,192 --> 00:03:56,111 I needed to figure out what happened 61 00:03:56,153 --> 00:03:57,612 inside of the apartment so I could start 62 00:03:57,654 --> 00:04:00,615 generating a lead on a potential suspect. 63 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:04,578 ♪ 64 00:04:04,619 --> 00:04:06,997 [Narrator] Back at headquarters... 65 00:04:07,038 --> 00:04:09,332 ♪ 66 00:04:09,374 --> 00:04:11,042 [Lacy] Patricia was Camron's girlfriend. 67 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:13,920 ♪ 68 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:16,173 All right, hon. 69 00:04:16,214 --> 00:04:18,716 I'ma have to ask the difficult questions. 70 00:04:18,757 --> 00:04:21,386 I decided to interview Patricia first 71 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:23,180 because I assumed that she would have been 72 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:24,931 the person closest to Camron, 73 00:04:24,973 --> 00:04:27,517 and she would be able to shed some light 74 00:04:27,559 --> 00:04:29,519 as to what was going on around the time that he died. 75 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:30,979 How long have you known Camron? 76 00:04:34,483 --> 00:04:37,194 - OK. What address do you stay at? 77 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:41,281 [Narrator] Patricia says she and her daughter 78 00:04:41,323 --> 00:04:43,408 recently moved in with Camron 79 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:45,911 at their friend Juan's duplex apartment. 80 00:04:45,952 --> 00:04:47,829 [Lacy] So is Juan-- was he friends 81 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:49,790 with Camron or family members, or-- 82 00:04:51,583 --> 00:04:56,755 - OK, so tell me what led up to what happened tonight. 83 00:04:56,797 --> 00:04:59,591 [Patricia] I wanna say probably about 4:00 this evening, 84 00:04:59,633 --> 00:05:03,136 Camron's friend from the apartment complex 85 00:05:03,178 --> 00:05:05,514 had somebody with him. 86 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:07,516 [Narrator] She says they heard Camron's friend 87 00:05:07,557 --> 00:05:09,643 and another man enter downstairs. 88 00:05:09,684 --> 00:05:11,895 [Lacy] OK. Who are they there to see? 89 00:05:11,937 --> 00:05:13,855 - I have no idea. 90 00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:16,358 Camron went downstairs. 91 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,694 And me and my daughter were upstairs. 92 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:21,488 ♪ 93 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:23,198 Camron comes back upstairs. 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,536 Camron just said, Old Boy, he sucker punched him. 95 00:05:27,577 --> 00:05:29,329 I said, have you ever seen that person before? 96 00:05:29,371 --> 00:05:30,622 Who is he? 97 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:32,874 And he said, I've never seen him. 98 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:35,627 - At that point, I'm not sure what the motive is. 99 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:39,798 [Nathan] But whatever that initial argument was about 100 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:41,550 is likely gonna be the motive for what 101 00:05:41,591 --> 00:05:43,176 happens to Camron that night. 102 00:05:43,218 --> 00:05:45,762 Usually, it's not a coincidence that something 103 00:05:45,804 --> 00:05:47,681 earlier in the day leads to something 104 00:05:47,722 --> 00:05:49,516 that happened that night. 105 00:05:49,558 --> 00:05:51,726 [Lacy] Tell me about the fight that happened. 106 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:55,981 [Patricia] He just said that Old Boy said to him, why is it, 107 00:05:56,106 --> 00:05:59,401 in the last three places, somebody always there? 108 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:01,236 ♪ 109 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:04,114 And Camron said, what are you talking--that's weird. 110 00:06:04,155 --> 00:06:05,907 You know, if he's going to people's house, 111 00:06:05,949 --> 00:06:07,951 ain't someone supposed to be there? 112 00:06:07,993 --> 00:06:09,911 ♪ 113 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:12,664 And then Camron said, I turned, and Old Boy came out of nowhere 114 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:15,667 and sucker punched me. 115 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:18,670 And they turned around and walked out. 116 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:22,048 Camron just brushed it off. 117 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:23,425 We went about our day. 118 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:25,385 We went to sleep. 119 00:06:25,427 --> 00:06:29,180 And I woke up to this guy standing there. 120 00:06:29,306 --> 00:06:31,641 He was rummaging through the stuff. 121 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:33,310 [Narrator] She says the man was looking 122 00:06:33,351 --> 00:06:35,729 through their belongings. 123 00:06:35,770 --> 00:06:37,689 [Patricia] Camron jumped up. 124 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:41,860 And next thing, Old Boy pistol whipped him. 125 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:44,487 - With the suspect rummaging around, 126 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:46,448 it's as if he's looking for something. 127 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:49,451 So you start thinking burglary, robbery. 128 00:06:49,492 --> 00:06:52,579 But then with the sheer number of shots to Camron, 129 00:06:52,704 --> 00:06:55,832 is that a targeted attack? 130 00:06:55,874 --> 00:06:57,542 [Patricia] Camron's gun was sitting on the edge 131 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,794 of the bed behind Camron. 132 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:01,921 And Old Boy said, "Oh, yeah?" 133 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:04,799 And he picked it up. 134 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:06,509 [Lacy] Picked up Camron's gun? [Patricia] Mm-hmm. 135 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,428 ♪ 136 00:07:08,470 --> 00:07:09,888 [Lacy] What kind of gun did Camron have? 137 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:15,560 [Narrator] She says Camron had customized the gun grip 138 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,438 with a blue bandanna inlay. 139 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,066 [Lacy] OK, so what happens after that? 140 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,068 [Patricia] The dude went in the hallway. 141 00:07:23,109 --> 00:07:26,780 And he told Juan, this is for a homage. 142 00:07:26,905 --> 00:07:29,574 Y'all's not paying y'all's dues. 143 00:07:29,616 --> 00:07:33,912 He punched Juan, and Old Boy left. 144 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:35,372 Me and Juan go into my daughter's room 145 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:37,666 and check on her. 146 00:07:37,707 --> 00:07:40,001 And we hear him come back. 147 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:41,795 It seems like seconds in my head. 148 00:07:41,836 --> 00:07:43,588 [Lacy] OK. 149 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:45,298 [Patricia] And he comes back, and we heard the click, click, 150 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:46,716 and I hear him cock the gun. 151 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:48,134 ♪ 152 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:51,137 He shot three or four times. 153 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:52,722 [Narrator] She says the gunfire 154 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:54,683 came from Camron's room. 155 00:07:54,724 --> 00:07:56,226 [Patricia] And then he came into my daughter's room. 156 00:07:56,267 --> 00:07:59,104 Me and Juan are behind the door. 157 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:00,772 And he reaches like this, 158 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:02,482 and I could see the gun and I see his hand. 159 00:08:02,524 --> 00:08:03,775 And he shoots. 160 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:05,610 ♪ 161 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:07,862 Well, me and Juan are basically, 162 00:08:07,904 --> 00:08:09,489 like, shoving the door shut. 163 00:08:09,531 --> 00:08:11,241 [Lacy] OK. 164 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:12,867 [Patricia] And he ran downstairs. 165 00:08:12,909 --> 00:08:15,412 - When she tells me that he had left and came back 166 00:08:15,453 --> 00:08:17,205 and that's when he shot Camron 167 00:08:17,247 --> 00:08:19,082 and tried to kill her daughter, I'm thinking, 168 00:08:19,082 --> 00:08:20,542 well, he's trying to kill witnesses. 169 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:23,545 He doesn't wanna be recognized. 170 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:26,131 Describe everything that this guy looked like. 171 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:28,091 [Patricia] I couldn't see his face. 172 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:30,593 He had an orange ski mask on 173 00:08:30,635 --> 00:08:33,596 that only the eyes and the mouth is out of. 174 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:35,849 He had on some overalls 175 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:38,934 that were camouflage. 176 00:08:38,977 --> 00:08:41,062 [Lacy] OK. 177 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:42,355 I'm gonna keep you out here. 178 00:08:42,397 --> 00:08:43,815 I'm gonna talk to your daughter. 179 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:45,859 ♪ 180 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:48,153 [Narrator] Three hours in... 181 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:51,364 - Walking into any interview with a child is difficult, 182 00:08:51,406 --> 00:08:53,324 and there's really no soft approach 183 00:08:53,366 --> 00:08:55,618 you can take for someone who's been through 184 00:08:55,744 --> 00:08:56,870 what her daughter had been through. 185 00:08:56,911 --> 00:08:58,246 OK, sweetie. 186 00:08:58,288 --> 00:09:01,916 ♪ 187 00:09:01,958 --> 00:09:03,793 Tell me about what happened today. 188 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:05,795 ♪ 189 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:15,930 [Nathan] The witnesses were 190 00:09:15,972 --> 00:09:17,390 in different areas of the apartment. 191 00:09:17,432 --> 00:09:18,767 They could watch the same event 192 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:21,144 and all describe it somewhat differently. 193 00:09:21,186 --> 00:09:23,646 So we're gonna get pieces of the story from each one 194 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:25,231 and put them together. 195 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:53,301 [Nathan] The suspect's calling Juan by name, 196 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:55,678 asking for a phone. 197 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,891 It makes it very clear there's some prior interaction, likely. 198 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:02,852 And it just gives that confidence that 199 00:10:02,894 --> 00:10:05,522 Juan's going to know who this is. 200 00:10:05,563 --> 00:10:08,066 [Narrator] Patricia's daughter says moments later, 201 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,734 Juan and her mom came rushing in. 202 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,172 ♪ 203 00:10:36,594 --> 00:10:37,887 ♪ 204 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:39,806 - I think he fired until he ran out of bullets, 205 00:10:39,848 --> 00:10:41,349 and he had no more. 206 00:10:41,391 --> 00:10:42,809 And we're very fortunate that Patricia's daughter 207 00:10:42,851 --> 00:10:44,102 is still here. 208 00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:45,270 OK. 209 00:10:45,311 --> 00:10:46,938 Have you seen this guy ever before? 210 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,859 ♪ 211 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:52,902 [Lacy] Did you see Camron with a gun tonight? 212 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:55,530 [Lacy] OK. 213 00:11:01,244 --> 00:11:03,872 [Narrator] She says when the suspect came back to her room, 214 00:11:03,913 --> 00:11:06,457 the gun he fired looked like Camron's. 215 00:11:10,211 --> 00:11:12,755 - That made me believe that the suspect had stolen 216 00:11:12,797 --> 00:11:14,632 Camron's gun from him and possibly 217 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,176 killed him with his own gun. 218 00:11:16,217 --> 00:11:18,178 I definitely wanted to find that gun 219 00:11:18,219 --> 00:11:20,221 because if I can find the weapon, then hopefully, 220 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:22,056 I can find the suspect. 221 00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:24,100 [Narrator] Before Lansdown could try to get 222 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:26,644 more information from Camron's roommate, Juan... 223 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:27,770 [phone rings] [Lacy] Hang on. 224 00:11:27,812 --> 00:11:30,023 Hello? 225 00:11:30,148 --> 00:11:32,233 I was called by a patrol officer who told me that 226 00:11:32,275 --> 00:11:34,360 they were hearing a possible street name 227 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:36,196 of Porkchop for the suspect. 228 00:11:36,237 --> 00:11:38,281 - He was someone who had been causing problems 229 00:11:38,323 --> 00:11:41,034 in the complex, so there's a good possibility 230 00:11:41,075 --> 00:11:44,662 that Porkchop is gonna be related to this investigation. 231 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:46,456 - The suspect left the apartment, 232 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:48,750 and then he came back, and he killed Camron, 233 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:50,043 and he tried to kill a child. 234 00:11:50,084 --> 00:11:52,003 We knew that we needed to get him in custody 235 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:54,088 as quickly as possible. 236 00:11:58,635 --> 00:12:00,053 [dramatic music] 237 00:12:00,094 --> 00:12:03,139 ♪ 238 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:06,351 [somber music] 239 00:12:06,392 --> 00:12:08,353 ♪ 240 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:11,272 [Christina] This is Camron's final resting place. 241 00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:14,400 My dad is buried over in that area 242 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:18,321 with my grandparents on the Roesner side. 243 00:12:18,363 --> 00:12:20,949 I have a sister buried here. 244 00:12:20,990 --> 00:12:25,286 It gives me peace knowing that he's surrounded by family. 245 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:28,581 Camron was my oldest nephew. 246 00:12:28,623 --> 00:12:31,042 He was three weeks older than my first child. 247 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:33,711 So my life was changing and growing, 248 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:37,298 and he was coming into the world in the same process. 249 00:12:37,340 --> 00:12:39,467 He was just a bundle of joy 250 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:42,178 the minute he came into my life. 251 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:44,430 Camron liked to make people laugh. 252 00:12:44,472 --> 00:12:47,600 He did not like to see people down. 253 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:51,854 That night, my phone rang at 9:05 p.m. 254 00:12:51,896 --> 00:12:56,276 My sister called me to tell me that Camron had been murdered. 255 00:12:56,317 --> 00:12:57,902 ♪ 256 00:12:57,944 --> 00:12:59,654 That night was hell. 257 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:02,073 ♪ 258 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:04,575 He was only 29 years old. 259 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:06,619 ♪ 260 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:08,496 He was robbed. 261 00:13:08,538 --> 00:13:12,583 He was robbed from getting to see his daughter 262 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:14,711 walk across the graduation stage. 263 00:13:14,752 --> 00:13:17,130 He was robbed from 264 00:13:17,171 --> 00:13:20,008 getting to give her away at her own wedding. 265 00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:21,801 And Patricia's daughter, 266 00:13:21,843 --> 00:13:24,012 Camron was a best friend to her. 267 00:13:24,053 --> 00:13:26,889 He made sure that she had someone that she could 268 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:29,434 confide in, no matter what it was. 269 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:32,937 She was devastated. There's no closure. 270 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:35,023 ♪ 271 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:37,358 There is no goodbye. 272 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,403 It just seemed like it was some terrible nightmare 273 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:42,739 that I couldn't wake up from. 274 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:45,825 ♪ 275 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:48,828 [suspenseful music] 276 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:53,499 ♪ 277 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:56,711 [Lacy] I don't know the first name of who Porkchop is. 278 00:13:56,753 --> 00:14:00,048 [Narrator] Four hours into the investigation... 279 00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:01,966 [Lacy] I have a street name, which is good. 280 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:05,053 However, I was not able to identify this person. 281 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:07,055 So now, moving forward, 282 00:14:07,096 --> 00:14:10,016 I'm going to ask witnesses about Porkchop. 283 00:14:10,058 --> 00:14:12,060 All right, let's go talk to Juan. 284 00:14:12,101 --> 00:14:15,605 ♪ 285 00:14:15,646 --> 00:14:17,899 Tell me about what happened tonight. 286 00:14:20,943 --> 00:14:23,112 - Where are you at in the house when this happens? 287 00:14:25,114 --> 00:14:26,657 - And so what happened next? 288 00:14:33,748 --> 00:14:36,250 - You said Bug? Is that her daughter? 289 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:38,127 - OK. 290 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:39,879 And what happened after Camron got shot? 291 00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:46,260 [Nathan] Juan was interesting. 292 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:50,306 He was very calm, almost nonchalant. 293 00:14:50,348 --> 00:14:54,435 It's evident that he's not just volunteering information, 294 00:14:54,477 --> 00:14:56,813 just giving the bare minimum. 295 00:14:56,854 --> 00:14:58,606 - Listen, man, your friend got killed tonight. 296 00:15:00,525 --> 00:15:03,444 [Lacy] I need to freaking know everything that happened 297 00:15:03,486 --> 00:15:05,154 and what this guy said to you. 298 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:06,531 ♪ 299 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:13,538 [Lacy] Why? 300 00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:17,959 [Lacy] Juan, look at me. [Linda] Juan, sit up. 301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,671 [Lacy] You know exactly why he was at your apartment today. 302 00:15:23,381 --> 00:15:25,758 [Lacy] Juan's demeanor really frustrated me. 303 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,344 I felt like I was dragging information from him 304 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:31,222 and having to ask him questions 305 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:32,890 I should not have had to ask, 306 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,851 almost like I was wasting his time. 307 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:37,186 I don't know if it was because he didn't want to be involved 308 00:15:37,228 --> 00:15:40,148 or if he was scared as well. 309 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:41,649 What did you owe him? 310 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:47,864 - Because why? 311 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:55,288 - I think you could infer just from his reluctance 312 00:15:55,329 --> 00:15:58,791 to share that, that maybe there's an allegation that 313 00:15:58,833 --> 00:16:01,752 he's responsible for that phone going missing 314 00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:04,755 and doesn't want to take the blame for what happened. 315 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,132 - Now we're getting somewhere, and I feel like 316 00:16:06,174 --> 00:16:07,758 I'm pulling information out of you 317 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,260 when your friend's the one that died. 318 00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:10,928 ♪ 319 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,347 Who's Porkchop? 320 00:16:13,389 --> 00:16:16,017 Porkchop. I need to know who he is. 321 00:16:16,058 --> 00:16:17,935 ♪ 322 00:16:22,148 --> 00:16:24,025 - How do you know that this Porkchop guy 323 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:25,443 has shot Camron tonight? 324 00:16:27,403 --> 00:16:28,613 [Lacy] So you recognize his voice? 325 00:16:30,781 --> 00:16:31,991 [Lacy] What does he look like? 326 00:16:33,618 --> 00:16:35,912 - All right. And does he have any tattoos? 327 00:16:37,663 --> 00:16:39,081 - What's it look like? 328 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:41,876 ♪ 329 00:16:41,918 --> 00:16:43,544 [Lacy] OK, tell me about the fight 330 00:16:43,586 --> 00:16:45,755 that Camron got in earlier today. 331 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,427 [Lacy] OK, so he actually told you that Porkchop 332 00:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,054 was the one who punched him? 333 00:16:53,971 --> 00:16:55,806 [Narrator] Juan tells detectives the name 334 00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:57,808 of Camron's friend from the complex 335 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:00,770 who brought Porkchop to the apartment that afternoon. 336 00:17:00,811 --> 00:17:02,355 - OK. 337 00:17:02,396 --> 00:17:05,316 ♪ 338 00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:07,443 It was very important for me to find this friend 339 00:17:07,484 --> 00:17:10,820 just because I knew that there was a very high likelihood 340 00:17:10,946 --> 00:17:13,241 that that person could tell me who Porkchop was. 341 00:17:13,241 --> 00:17:15,409 ♪ 342 00:17:15,451 --> 00:17:18,329 - Here's the tenant list. 343 00:17:18,371 --> 00:17:20,039 [Narrator] The team looks up the address 344 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,040 for Camron's friend. 345 00:17:27,128 --> 00:17:29,006 - Let's do it. 346 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:31,008 All right. 347 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:32,885 [Linda] Gotta make sure that you're ready 348 00:17:32,927 --> 00:17:36,138 to pick up Porkchop because that may be where he's at. 349 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:39,559 ♪ 350 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,561 [Narrator] The team heads back to the complex. 351 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:45,356 ♪ 352 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:46,899 [Officer] Well, if you two want 353 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:49,443 to take Lacy in the front, Linda and I'll go to the back. 354 00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:51,946 [Lacy] I knew that Porkchop was incredibly dangerous, 355 00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,489 so I absolutely do not think 356 00:17:53,531 --> 00:17:55,449 that Porkchop would have hesitated 357 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:57,827 to shoot at law enforcement. 358 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:03,583 [dramatic music] 359 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:07,295 ♪ 360 00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,547 [knocking] 361 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:11,507 [Officer] Tulsa Police. 362 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:13,259 - When we went back to the apartment complex 363 00:18:13,301 --> 00:18:15,219 to try to find Camron's friend, 364 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:17,680 there was a very high likelihood that Porkchop 365 00:18:17,722 --> 00:18:19,056 could actually be at the apartment. 366 00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:22,101 And there's a very high level of danger there, 367 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:23,644 so we all were ready to go. 368 00:18:23,686 --> 00:18:26,188 I had my vest on. 369 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:27,481 [door squeaks open] 370 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:28,858 ♪ 371 00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:30,776 What's up, man? 372 00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:32,403 Can you show me your hands, make sure you don't have a gun? 373 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:33,863 Thank you. 374 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:37,408 You're not in trouble, but we gotta talk. 375 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:40,620 [Narrator] Seven hours in, the team transports 376 00:18:40,661 --> 00:18:42,872 Camron's friend to headquarters. 377 00:18:42,913 --> 00:18:45,374 - The missing piece to finding and stopping Porkchop 378 00:18:45,416 --> 00:18:47,043 was his government name. 379 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:49,754 ♪ 380 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,923 Camron was killed today. 381 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:57,553 He was murdered tonight, and I think you know why. 382 00:18:57,595 --> 00:19:00,389 I know that you were there earlier today. 383 00:19:00,431 --> 00:19:03,267 So tell me what happened. 384 00:19:03,309 --> 00:19:04,810 ♪ 385 00:19:14,862 --> 00:19:15,946 [Lacy] So who's the guy? 386 00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:21,661 [Lacy] You said he was just walking around 387 00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:22,703 in the apartment complex? 388 00:19:50,981 --> 00:19:52,525 ♪ 389 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:03,911 - He describes some interactions between Porkchop 390 00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:05,496 and other residents where Porkchop 391 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,456 is just flying off the handle. 392 00:20:07,498 --> 00:20:09,583 So it's a very volatile situation. 393 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,297 [Narrator] The friend says they left Camron's 394 00:20:15,339 --> 00:20:17,299 and went back to his own apartment. 395 00:20:22,513 --> 00:20:24,598 - You see him go to anybody's place at all? 396 00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:31,439 - Camron, he's dead. 397 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,233 You're saying he's your best friend. 398 00:20:34,275 --> 00:20:37,319 Help me out a little bit here. 399 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:40,573 I need to know everything you know about this guy. 400 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:46,203 - He used your phone to call someone. 401 00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:47,580 - Who did he call? 402 00:20:49,957 --> 00:20:53,753 - OK, I need to get that phone number. 403 00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:57,298 [Narrator] Camron's friend agrees to turn over his phone. 404 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:59,300 [Lacy] Give me just a minute. 405 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:03,012 ♪ 406 00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:06,766 I wanted to get that phone number so that I could put it 407 00:21:06,807 --> 00:21:09,518 in our police database to figure out an identity 408 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,811 of the person that he called. 409 00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:13,606 They 100% were going to know who he was. 410 00:21:13,647 --> 00:21:15,357 ♪ 411 00:21:15,399 --> 00:21:17,693 Can you run a phone number for me, please? 412 00:21:17,735 --> 00:21:19,904 [Narrator] Sergeant Schilling runs the number 413 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,614 Porkchop called from the friend's phone. 414 00:21:21,655 --> 00:21:23,199 ♪ 415 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,075 [Lacy] I need to figure out who this chick is. 416 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:27,745 Please let this be gold. 417 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:30,080 [Narrator] They get the name of a woman. 418 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:31,665 - How recent is that? 419 00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,715 This girl likely is not gonna have this phone number anymore. 420 00:21:39,757 --> 00:21:41,717 [Lacy] I was not surprised 421 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,094 that he was not able to identify the person 422 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:45,554 at the end of that phone number. 423 00:21:45,596 --> 00:21:47,973 But I was still hoping that some way, somehow, 424 00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:49,433 we would figure out who it was. 425 00:21:49,475 --> 00:21:53,938 ♪ 426 00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:56,524 [Narrator] The next day... 427 00:21:56,565 --> 00:21:58,400 [Brandon] Come here, Lacy. 428 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,736 - So this girl is actually a really good witness. 429 00:22:00,778 --> 00:22:02,154 I went back to the complex 430 00:22:02,196 --> 00:22:03,906 because I wanted to see things in the daytime. 431 00:22:03,948 --> 00:22:06,534 And I found a new witness who told me that Porkchop 432 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:09,787 had actually been at the apartment that she was at 433 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:11,997 the day prior to Camron getting murdered. 434 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,041 She said this guy shows up. 435 00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:17,127 He was just extremely disrespectful, 436 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:20,089 was talking about how he's gonna straighten everybody up. 437 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:21,715 He was extremely aggressive. 438 00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:23,467 He had actually punched someone. 439 00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:25,886 He had pistol whipped someone, and so there was at least 440 00:22:25,928 --> 00:22:29,181 two other victims of Porkchop within the 24 hours 441 00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:30,641 that led up to Camron being murdered. 442 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:32,935 She described what his tattoo looked like 443 00:22:32,977 --> 00:22:34,520 on the side of his neck. 444 00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,230 Said it looked like that. 445 00:22:36,272 --> 00:22:38,482 ♪ 446 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:42,069 - It was kind of a unique, just weird pattern, 447 00:22:42,111 --> 00:22:45,531 but large and very identifiable. 448 00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:48,409 That is a great piece of information. 449 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:51,370 [Lacy] I mean, those tattoos and that street name, 450 00:22:51,412 --> 00:22:54,748 it's just odd that nobody knows who this guy is. 451 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:56,125 [Nathan] But we need his name. 452 00:22:56,166 --> 00:22:58,919 We can't just get an arrest warrant for Porkchop. 453 00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:04,884 ♪ 454 00:23:04,925 --> 00:23:07,094 [Narrator] 34 hours in... 455 00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:09,096 - When we have a phone number that we don't know 456 00:23:09,138 --> 00:23:10,681 who actually owns it, 457 00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:12,558 kind of a last resort is just calling it. 458 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,726 [line trills] 459 00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:17,771 - Hi, can I speak to [...] please? 460 00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:19,815 ♪ 461 00:23:19,857 --> 00:23:21,984 [line beeps] 462 00:23:22,026 --> 00:23:24,111 And they hung up. 463 00:23:24,153 --> 00:23:25,988 [Nathan] It's very frustrating. 464 00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:29,617 You're just looking for that one piece, 465 00:23:29,658 --> 00:23:32,661 and you keep hitting dead ends and roadblocks. 466 00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,914 So something else I just thought of that 467 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:36,999 we didn't check the jail website, 468 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,667 like, the jail calls. 469 00:23:38,709 --> 00:23:40,210 [Lacy] That's a good idea. 470 00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:43,047 Run these phone numbers now. 471 00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:44,840 [Nathan] The jail database, 472 00:23:44,882 --> 00:23:47,635 it's gonna tell you who's calling that number 473 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:51,305 because they're incarcerated, and we have their name. 474 00:23:51,347 --> 00:23:55,351 - OK, so somebody by the name of Johnny Clark, 475 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:59,271 inmate Johnny Clark, made four phone calls 476 00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:02,358 to this phone number on-- 477 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:04,360 looks like today. 478 00:24:04,401 --> 00:24:06,487 [Narrator] 23-year-old Johnny Clark was booked 479 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:09,281 into Sapulpa Jail for possession of a firearm 480 00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:11,200 after police responded to a call 481 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:13,619 of vandalism at a local hotel. 482 00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:15,746 [Lacy] Seven hours after the murder. 483 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:21,543 ♪ 484 00:24:21,585 --> 00:24:23,504 Holy [bleep]. 485 00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:25,297 When I saw his picture, I knew immediately 486 00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:26,882 that that's who the suspect was. 487 00:24:26,924 --> 00:24:28,676 ♪ 488 00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,098 [dramatic music] 489 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:36,225 ♪ 490 00:24:36,266 --> 00:24:38,519 [Nathan] Is that your guy? 491 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,771 - When I saw the booking photo, I was elated. 492 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:43,732 I saw the huge tattoo on the left side of his neck. 493 00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:46,735 I saw the teardrop tattoo. 494 00:24:46,777 --> 00:24:48,487 Possession of a firearm. 495 00:24:49,363 --> 00:24:52,032 - All right, we've got Johnny Lee Clark. 496 00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:54,952 I now had a name to someone that I believe was Porkchop, 497 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:57,246 and I was really happy that he was already in jail. 498 00:24:57,287 --> 00:24:58,872 He could not hurt anybody else. 499 00:24:58,914 --> 00:25:00,499 Now I wanted him to talk. 500 00:25:00,541 --> 00:25:02,876 ♪ 501 00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:06,005 [Narrator] 35 hours in, 502 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:10,926 Lansdown has Johnny Clark transported to Homicide. 503 00:25:10,968 --> 00:25:13,595 [Lacy] I was hoping that I would get a confession. 504 00:25:13,637 --> 00:25:15,681 I was hoping that, at the very least, 505 00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:18,767 I could put him at the scene. 506 00:25:18,809 --> 00:25:22,062 All right, so tell me why you were arrested. 507 00:25:50,674 --> 00:25:52,593 [Lacy] OK, for what, though? 508 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,474 - It can be very difficult 509 00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:00,601 when you're interviewing a suspect, 510 00:26:00,642 --> 00:26:05,022 trying to know when to apply pressure or release. 511 00:26:05,147 --> 00:26:08,776 He's got quite a few things that he's throwing out there 512 00:26:08,817 --> 00:26:10,736 that Lacy has to kind of work her way through 513 00:26:10,778 --> 00:26:13,322 to get to the goal line. 514 00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:14,656 [Lacy] You had said you were on 515 00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:16,116 seven different kinds of drugs. 516 00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:25,959 - So what happened that got you to that point, John? 517 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:34,927 - OK. 518 00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:41,225 [Narrator] Johnny says he served five years for robbery. 519 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:43,268 - When Johnny told me that his mother had kicked him out 520 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:45,104 because he wouldn't take his pills, 521 00:26:45,145 --> 00:26:47,356 I kind of figured there was some issues going on there, 522 00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:51,193 whether it was, like, mental health issues or anger issues. 523 00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:53,779 However, he'd been in jail for over 24 hours, 524 00:26:53,821 --> 00:26:56,365 so I did not believe that he was still currently high. 525 00:26:56,406 --> 00:26:58,367 OK, so you were staying at Parkview? 526 00:27:01,036 --> 00:27:02,621 - OK. 527 00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:05,207 Did you get into it yourself with anybody out there? 528 00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:11,755 [Lacy] OK, so here's what we're gonna get at. 529 00:27:11,797 --> 00:27:13,841 There was a murder out there Saturday night. 530 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:15,801 ♪ 531 00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:18,178 The guy that was murdered is named Camron. 532 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,097 ♪ 533 00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:22,057 Does that name ring a bell to you? 534 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:26,979 ♪ 535 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,398 [Lacy] From everyone that I have talked to, 536 00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:31,066 I have been told that you were the one 537 00:27:31,108 --> 00:27:33,110 who went in that apartment. 538 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,869 [Nathan] Johnny's got a lot of 539 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,745 "I don't remember, I don't remember," 540 00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:46,540 and then when confronted with different pieces of evidence, 541 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:50,002 he'll come up with an excuse on why something happened. 542 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:52,379 [Lacy] Why would people who were also there 543 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,464 when this guy got killed, why would they be telling me 544 00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:56,466 that you're the one that did that? 545 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:01,930 - Listen, I'm not trying to trick you into saying anything. 546 00:28:01,972 --> 00:28:03,765 Have I asked you any difficult questions here? 547 00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:06,560 - I know you're upset, but I-- 548 00:28:12,774 --> 00:28:15,402 [crying] 549 00:28:15,402 --> 00:28:17,154 - Do you need some water? 550 00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:19,531 Let me get you some water. 551 00:28:19,573 --> 00:28:22,659 ♪ 552 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,786 I wanted to leave the room to kind of regroup 553 00:28:24,828 --> 00:28:26,622 with the other detectives and figure out 554 00:28:26,747 --> 00:28:27,789 where to go from there. 555 00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:29,791 ♪ 556 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,002 - The Sapulpa guy email you the reports or anything? 557 00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:33,253 [Lacy] Not yet. 558 00:28:33,295 --> 00:28:35,297 Johnny had been arrested with two guns. 559 00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:37,633 I'll probably just call and ask what that gun is. 560 00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:39,801 I knew that I was looking for a gun 561 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:42,220 with a blue bandanna on the grip of it. 562 00:28:42,346 --> 00:28:45,349 And if I can tie Johnny Clark to that gun, 563 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:46,642 that's huge for us. 564 00:28:46,642 --> 00:28:48,477 [line trills] 565 00:28:48,518 --> 00:28:49,811 [Officer] Hello? 566 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:51,480 [Lacy] I think Sapulpa arrested 567 00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:53,523 one of my homicide suspects last night, 568 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:54,900 and I was wondering if you could tell me 569 00:28:54,942 --> 00:28:56,610 what gun they booked in. 570 00:28:56,652 --> 00:28:58,362 [Officer] OK, what's your guy's name? 571 00:28:58,403 --> 00:29:01,239 - Johnny Lee Clark. 572 00:29:01,281 --> 00:29:02,699 [Officer] I just actually checked that 573 00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:04,576 into my property room. 574 00:29:04,618 --> 00:29:07,329 We arrested a guy and took two guns. 575 00:29:07,371 --> 00:29:09,081 Let's see. 576 00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:13,001 One of them is a starter pistol. 577 00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:15,379 One of them is a 9-millimeter 578 00:29:15,504 --> 00:29:17,798 Smith and Wesson semi-automatic. 579 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,967 - What's the grip look like? 580 00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:22,177 [Officer] It's got a funky-- 581 00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:23,971 you want me to take a picture of it and send it to you? 582 00:29:24,012 --> 00:29:26,598 - Yes, please. 583 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,351 [Nathan] When she says that the gun's got a funky grip, 584 00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:31,561 you start getting this warm, fuzzy feeling inside. 585 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:32,854 [phone chimes] 586 00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:36,316 ♪ 587 00:29:36,358 --> 00:29:39,861 - [chuckles] That's my victim's gun. 588 00:29:39,987 --> 00:29:43,490 That directly tied Johnny Clark to Camron and the murder. 589 00:29:43,532 --> 00:29:45,075 ♪ 590 00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:50,622 [dramatic music] 591 00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:53,583 ♪ 592 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:00,924 [Lacy] I don't think it was a coincidence 593 00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:02,467 that Johnny had that gun. 594 00:30:02,509 --> 00:30:04,636 I was very confident that when ballistics came back 595 00:30:04,678 --> 00:30:07,264 that it was most likely going to be the murder weapon. 596 00:30:15,856 --> 00:30:17,733 [Nathan] And it just really 597 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,485 solidifies the information that you were told. 598 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:22,988 ♪ 599 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:25,824 [Narrator] 36 hours into the investigation... 600 00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:27,284 [Brandon] You got everything that you need. 601 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:28,618 [Lacy] Yeah. - You have got enough 602 00:30:28,744 --> 00:30:30,287 to charge this man with first-degree murder. 603 00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:32,622 - The confession would be great. 604 00:30:32,748 --> 00:30:34,499 But at the end of the day, I still had the case. 605 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:36,043 [Nathan] At this point, we want the why. 606 00:30:36,084 --> 00:30:37,878 Why did this happen? 607 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,714 And Johnny's the only one that can tell us that. 608 00:30:40,756 --> 00:30:43,717 ♪ 609 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,761 - Can I show you a picture of something? 610 00:30:49,306 --> 00:30:50,307 - What is this? 611 00:30:51,767 --> 00:30:52,976 [Lacy] OK. 612 00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:54,478 You recognize that gun? 613 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,939 [Lacy] That's the gun that Sapulpa found. 614 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:01,276 - Look at me. 615 00:31:01,318 --> 00:31:03,028 ♪ 616 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,696 That's Camron's gun. 617 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,239 ♪ 618 00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:09,910 How did Camron's gun end up with you? 619 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,289 ♪ 620 00:31:14,331 --> 00:31:17,375 - When that gun is tested, the one that was found, 621 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:19,753 is it gonna have your DNA on it? 622 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:30,222 - He tried to separate himself from the guns, 623 00:31:30,347 --> 00:31:31,848 and then when I flat-out asked him 624 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,975 if his DNA was gonna be on the gun, 625 00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:36,520 he then came up with a story of, well, yeah, 626 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:39,564 because I tried to buy it from him, you know, earlier that day. 627 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:42,275 And I was like, yeah, I don't believe that story. 628 00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:49,783 - He just kept getting frustrated. 629 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:53,120 I think it's because he could not come up with any more lies. 630 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:55,789 He's dead. 631 00:31:55,831 --> 00:31:58,875 And I think that you seem upset about that. 632 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,670 But I will tell you that the facts and the evidence 633 00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:04,339 show that you killed Camron. 634 00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,675 That's why I'm asking you, why? 635 00:32:06,716 --> 00:32:08,468 You were high. You went over-- 636 00:32:10,637 --> 00:32:13,849 ♪ 637 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:15,684 [Lacy] All right. 638 00:32:15,725 --> 00:32:22,274 ♪ 639 00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:24,401 [Narrator] Johnny Lee Clark is charged 640 00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:26,278 with first-degree murder. 641 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,072 [Lacy] I didn't get any kind of feeling 642 00:32:29,114 --> 00:32:30,782 that he was remorseful about what happened. 643 00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:32,784 I got the feeling that he was upset 644 00:32:32,826 --> 00:32:34,327 because he thought his life was over. 645 00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:36,663 I was confident about this case going to court. 646 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:39,082 [Nathan] We had everything we needed 647 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,585 for a strong prosecution's case-- 648 00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:45,422 good eyewitnesses, the murder weapon, 649 00:32:45,547 --> 00:32:47,757 suspect arrested with the murder weapon. 650 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,219 And at the same time, there's always those thoughts. 651 00:32:51,261 --> 00:32:53,346 Where could this unravel? 652 00:32:53,388 --> 00:32:57,642 ♪ 653 00:32:57,684 --> 00:32:59,060 [Katie] When I got the case, 654 00:32:59,186 --> 00:33:02,105 my biggest thought was, oh, my gosh, 655 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,399 this is someone who really 656 00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:06,401 meant to kill people that night. 657 00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:09,321 We had a completed robbery, and then he comes back 658 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,823 and he tries to take care of the witnesses. 659 00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:13,783 This case is about Camron. 660 00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:15,702 This case is about Patricia. 661 00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:17,746 This case is about Patricia's daughter. 662 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:19,873 This case is about Juan. 663 00:33:19,915 --> 00:33:21,208 You can never tell a victim's family 664 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:24,127 that you're 100% confident 665 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:26,004 that you'll be able to convict the defendant. 666 00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,715 But we're going to do everything we possibly can 667 00:33:28,757 --> 00:33:32,052 to ensure that we get justice. 668 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:35,138 Prepping for trial, I knew the case was really strong. 669 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:38,225 The fact that we found the defendant 670 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:41,228 with the murder weapon-- even bigger than that, 671 00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:43,313 he had hidden it in an air conditioner. 672 00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:45,523 I mean, that's a huge indication 673 00:33:45,565 --> 00:33:47,025 of consciousness of guilt. 674 00:33:47,067 --> 00:33:49,653 However, a concern I had was, 675 00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:52,572 I knew this was going to be an identification case. 676 00:33:52,614 --> 00:33:55,492 We were going to need to link Johnny Clark 677 00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:58,912 to the person that was in the apartment that night. 678 00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:02,082 [Brian] When I first read the reports for Johnny's case, 679 00:34:02,082 --> 00:34:07,295 I wasn't terribly worried about eyewitnesses ID'ing Johnny. 680 00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:10,799 Johnny was represented by several lawyers in our office 681 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,592 in the Tulsa County Public Defender's Office, 682 00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:14,803 including myself. 683 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,013 The state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt 684 00:34:17,054 --> 00:34:19,891 every element of every crime the defendant is charged with. 685 00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:22,226 [Erik] The person who fired that gun 686 00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:24,353 was partially wearing a ski mask, 687 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,856 so all you could see were his mouth and his eyes. 688 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:30,068 And so victims are left to make an ID through voice 689 00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:34,030 or through the small slits that are in the ski mask. 690 00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:35,532 - The police had done a lineup, 691 00:34:35,572 --> 00:34:37,574 and they had showed the lineup to everyone 692 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:39,953 that was in the apartment that evening-- 693 00:34:39,995 --> 00:34:43,123 Patricia, Patricia's daughter, and Juan. 694 00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:46,333 - All right, so I'm gonna show you a series of photos. 695 00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:48,168 - There's six photographs in here. 696 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:50,297 It's just as important to clear innocent persons 697 00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:54,175 from suspicion as to identify guilty parties, OK? 698 00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:55,927 The person who committed the crime 699 00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:58,847 may or may not be in the set of photographs being presented. 700 00:34:58,888 --> 00:35:05,770 ♪ 701 00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:24,789 - This looks like the person, Porkchop, 702 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:26,708 but his hair was longer. 703 00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:28,960 I seen the back side of him. 704 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,129 - Patricia makes a partial ID. 705 00:35:31,171 --> 00:35:34,466 - I could say about 65%, 75% sure. 706 00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:36,509 - OK. 707 00:35:36,551 --> 00:35:39,012 [Brian] Nobody saw his face. 708 00:35:39,054 --> 00:35:42,599 His identification came up from a witness 709 00:35:42,641 --> 00:35:45,060 from earlier in the day. 710 00:35:45,101 --> 00:35:47,520 - I thought that that was going to be 711 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:49,939 the defense's biggest strategy, basically saying, 712 00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,442 we don't know for sure that this was Johnny Clark. 713 00:35:52,442 --> 00:35:54,152 [Erik] That could be a real problem. 714 00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:55,820 If you can't say that's the guy, 715 00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:58,281 you're over and you're done with. 716 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:04,079 [dramatic music] 717 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,668 ♪ 718 00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:12,087 [Erik] If we can't get a person identifying Johnny 719 00:36:12,128 --> 00:36:14,047 in the apartment, we're gonna have to link it up 720 00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:16,466 with circumstantial evidence. 721 00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:19,219 [Narrator] As the DA's office prepares their case... 722 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,179 [Katie] I knew that one of my big witnesses 723 00:36:21,221 --> 00:36:23,515 was going to be Camron's friend. 724 00:36:23,556 --> 00:36:26,017 He had been walking around with Johnny Clark that day. 725 00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:29,270 He was helping him sell marijuana. 726 00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:31,523 And the defendant used his phone. 727 00:36:31,564 --> 00:36:35,110 And that was one way we were able to link up 728 00:36:35,151 --> 00:36:38,363 the actual name, Johnny Clark, to this person 729 00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:41,366 that was in the apartment during the murder. 730 00:36:41,408 --> 00:36:43,159 ♪ 731 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,744 [Erik] Johnny didn't have a mask on 732 00:36:44,786 --> 00:36:46,788 when he was interacting with Camron's friend, 733 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:48,832 and so it was a really good idea 734 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:52,669 to have Camron's friend make a positive ID. 735 00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:57,048 - But I was never able to locate Camron's friend 736 00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:58,800 in jury trial preparation. 737 00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:00,719 - When someone is kind of involved in crime, 738 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,805 the last thing they want to do is tell against another person 739 00:37:03,847 --> 00:37:05,473 who commits a crime. 740 00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:08,059 He was assisting Johnny selling drugs, 741 00:37:08,101 --> 00:37:12,522 so his level of cooperation is gonna be a concern. 742 00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:15,316 [Narrator] And three months after the preliminary hearing, 743 00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:17,318 a major setback. 744 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,155 [Katie] Before trial, Juan, unfortunately, 745 00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:23,283 died in a tragic accident. 746 00:37:23,283 --> 00:37:25,368 I thought it was really sad. 747 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:28,121 And Juan was absolutely an important witness. 748 00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:30,665 He's someone who was there 749 00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:33,877 when both the robbery and the homicide happened. 750 00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:38,173 - Now we lose his voice in this entire case. 751 00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:40,925 You can't use a witness's recorded statement 752 00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:42,886 to police during the trial. 753 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,971 The defense and the defendant 754 00:37:45,013 --> 00:37:48,183 have a constitutional right to confront their witnesses, 755 00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:50,059 so that's a challenge. 756 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:51,895 [Katie] When you know you're gonna have witness issues, 757 00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:56,733 you look to the other evidence to make your case other ways. 758 00:37:56,775 --> 00:37:59,569 - The strength of the State's case 759 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:02,947 was the murder weapon was found with Johnny. 760 00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:05,992 Johnny's statement did not help him either. 761 00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:09,329 He placed himself at the murder scene. 762 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:12,165 But Johnny was quite intoxicated 763 00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:14,709 when he was arrested, so there was 764 00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:18,213 a possible voluntary intoxication defense. 765 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:20,173 [Erik] That was gonna be an issue in this case. 766 00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:23,510 Voluntary intoxication removes 767 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:26,805 the necessary deliberateness for first-degree murder. 768 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:29,516 They would easily be able to say to a jury, 769 00:38:29,557 --> 00:38:32,811 my client told you he had taken multiple drugs. 770 00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:43,279 - And if we don't have the state of mind that's required, 771 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:46,658 all we're left is manslaughter in the first degree. 772 00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:49,077 [Brian] Manslaughter means 773 00:38:49,118 --> 00:38:52,622 someone is overcome with passion. 774 00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:55,416 Johnny went into that apartment 775 00:38:55,458 --> 00:38:57,126 with a starter pistol. 776 00:38:57,168 --> 00:39:00,004 A starter pistol does not fire a projectile. 777 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:02,549 He could not have killed anybody. 778 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:05,218 I believe Johnny went to threaten somebody 779 00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:08,388 into giving up whatever money 780 00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,515 or whatever drugs they happened to have. 781 00:39:10,557 --> 00:39:14,561 But it was more of a crime of unfortunate opportunity 782 00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:20,275 that Johnny found a functioning firearm that day. 783 00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:22,026 [Erik] But the witnesses at the scene 784 00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:24,320 indicated that deliberateness. 785 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,030 [Patricia] He comes back, and we heard the click, click. 786 00:39:26,072 --> 00:39:28,241 He shot three or four times. 787 00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:30,535 - Johnny completed the robbery. 788 00:39:30,577 --> 00:39:32,871 He was able to leave the apartment. 789 00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:35,790 And then he came back and he tries to eliminate witnesses. 790 00:39:35,832 --> 00:39:40,378 To me, that is someone who is completely self-interested 791 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:42,672 and is a dangerous human being. 792 00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:45,008 ♪ 793 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,844 [Narrator] Before the trial is set to begin... 794 00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:49,929 [Katie] We were scheduled for a hearing, 795 00:39:49,971 --> 00:39:53,099 and the defense came to me and asked 796 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:56,519 if I would consider a number. 797 00:39:56,561 --> 00:39:58,229 [Brian] The closer we got to trial, 798 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:01,024 it became clear to both of us 799 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,151 that the facts of this case were insurmountable. 800 00:40:03,192 --> 00:40:06,779 The State wanted life in prison for murder. 801 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:10,867 Johnny was very young to spend the rest of his life in prison. 802 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:12,994 ♪ 803 00:40:13,036 --> 00:40:14,913 - There is a valid back and forth 804 00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:16,873 that we have with ourselves. 805 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:19,834 Can we go to a jury and, with some level of certainty, 806 00:40:19,876 --> 00:40:22,795 get a guilty verdict and get life? 807 00:40:22,837 --> 00:40:25,590 - You never know what could happen during trial. 808 00:40:25,632 --> 00:40:27,300 Nothing is guaranteed. 809 00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:29,010 [Erik] I would much rather a defendant 810 00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:32,680 get a stiff term in prison than gambling at trial 811 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,225 and risking him walking out of the courtroom a free man. 812 00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:39,979 [Narrator] The State decides to accept Johnny's plea. 813 00:40:40,063 --> 00:40:46,986 ♪ 814 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,617 - Though we don't exchange life for a life, 815 00:40:52,659 --> 00:40:56,120 he is going to have to spend much, 816 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,499 if not the rest of his life, behind bars. 817 00:40:59,624 --> 00:41:01,960 [Lacy] Your home is supposed to be the safest place. 818 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:04,337 Johnny invaded that, and he completely disrupted 819 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:08,299 the lives of Camron's family and even Patricia's daughter, 820 00:41:08,341 --> 00:41:10,385 Patricia herself. 821 00:41:10,426 --> 00:41:13,471 - The ripple effect of a homicide is immense. 822 00:41:13,513 --> 00:41:15,765 Their families are also victims. 823 00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:19,435 [somber music] 824 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,730 [Christina] It doesn't matter how many years goes by. 825 00:41:22,772 --> 00:41:24,607 Nobody will ever fill that void. 826 00:41:24,649 --> 00:41:27,610 Nobody can ever make it right. 827 00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:30,613 Camron used to ride his bikes on these streets. 828 00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:32,573 He used to run around with all his friends 829 00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:35,868 in high school on these streets. 830 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:40,164 Being here makes me feel very close to Camron. 831 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,333 It's a wonderful feeling, getting to see the people 832 00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:45,586 that he knew and grew up with. 833 00:41:45,628 --> 00:41:49,590 They call me Aunt Chris, just like Camron. 834 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:52,135 I hear it in my head every day. 835 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:53,678 As soon as he would come in the house, 836 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,013 that would be what I would hear. 837 00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:59,350 Yo, Aunt Chris, what's going on? 838 00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:02,395 Just to interact with him was a good vibe. 839 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:04,147 ♪ 840 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:05,815 Camron was a human being. 841 00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:08,443 People are gonna forget about him 842 00:42:08,484 --> 00:42:11,237 because he's not in their everyday life. 843 00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:13,322 But that little girl will never forget about her father. 844 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:15,116 [sniffles] 845 00:42:15,158 --> 00:42:17,243 Anytime I see her, I make sure I tell her 846 00:42:17,285 --> 00:42:18,911 that she looks like her daddy 847 00:42:18,953 --> 00:42:21,956 because I don't want her to forget. 848 00:42:21,998 --> 00:42:26,794 I'm grateful that I had the life that I had with Camron. 849 00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:29,672 I believe he's with me every day. 850 00:42:29,714 --> 00:42:32,008 I believe he's with his daughter every day. 851 00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:33,593 And I think that's why I can't get, 852 00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:35,762 "Yo, Aunt Chris" out of my mind. 853 00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:42,643 ♪