1 00:00:10,066 --> 00:00:11,867 [Cindy] There's a murderer. 2 00:00:11,867 --> 00:00:14,333 I keep hearing, "The Butcher was here." 3 00:00:15,567 --> 00:00:16,967 I see blood everywhere. 4 00:00:17,066 --> 00:00:20,767 It's like I'm getting strangled, and I wake up, and I'm gasping for air. 5 00:00:20,834 --> 00:00:22,867 [Dennis] I fell off a ladder. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,567 Oh, you're lucky you didn't get killed. 7 00:00:25,567 --> 00:00:27,066 Yes. 8 00:00:27,133 --> 00:00:29,767 [Cindy] He's saying, "There's nobody that can save this family 9 00:00:29,834 --> 00:00:32,166 from the wrath that I'm going to bring on them 10 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:33,734 if they don't leave this house." 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,266 I literally heard him say, "She's mine, she's mine." 12 00:00:38,266 --> 00:00:39,266 [Donalyn] I'm pissed. 13 00:00:39,266 --> 00:00:40,433 It's gotta stop. 14 00:00:41,967 --> 00:00:44,367 [Cindy] His ultimate goal is to finish the killing spree 15 00:00:44,367 --> 00:00:46,867 that he started when he was alive. 16 00:00:46,867 --> 00:00:50,367 I keep hearing, "Murder. Murder. Murder." 17 00:00:50,367 --> 00:00:54,266 My name is Cindy Kaza. I'm a psychic medium. 18 00:00:54,266 --> 00:00:57,066 Somebody is conjuring up the spirits in this house, I swear to God. 19 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:59,266 I ask questions of the dead... 20 00:00:59,333 --> 00:01:01,767 These people are grave robbers. 21 00:01:01,834 --> 00:01:03,567 ...to find answers for the living. 22 00:01:03,567 --> 00:01:07,166 I'm 100% sure that we're dealing with something demonic. 23 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:09,867 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 24 00:01:09,867 --> 00:01:12,767 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 25 00:01:12,834 --> 00:01:14,867 So, when he jumps at you like that, what happens? 26 00:01:14,867 --> 00:01:18,367 It's my job to dig up history on every house we investigate... 27 00:01:18,367 --> 00:01:19,767 I wanna talk about the bloodbath. 28 00:01:19,834 --> 00:01:21,867 ...and dig up secrets that wanna stay hidden. 29 00:01:21,867 --> 00:01:23,767 We've done everything but burn the house down. 30 00:01:23,767 --> 00:01:25,066 Together, we help terrified families... 31 00:01:25,066 --> 00:01:28,066 A man's voice said, "I'm going to kill you." 32 00:01:28,066 --> 00:01:29,467 ...decide whether it's safe to stay... 33 00:01:29,467 --> 00:01:33,767 [choking up] I let him sit there and fight this thing. 34 00:01:33,767 --> 00:01:34,967 ...or pack a bag and get out. 35 00:01:34,967 --> 00:01:37,834 His goal would be to have you all die. 36 00:01:44,166 --> 00:01:47,934 [ominous music playing] 37 00:01:58,467 --> 00:02:00,567 I... I wanna go inside and upstairs. 38 00:02:00,567 --> 00:02:03,233 Like, that is immediately where I'm pulled. 39 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:08,166 [door creaking] 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,433 [Cindy] Okay. 41 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:17,734 I'm gonna do some automatic writing now. 42 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:24,934 The family is in turmoil. 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,867 So, this family is at their wit's end. 44 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:32,967 It is literally tearing the family apart. 45 00:02:33,033 --> 00:02:34,767 They're all fighting. 46 00:02:34,834 --> 00:02:36,000 This family has, like... 47 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,967 has had a really, really, really, really difficult time. 48 00:02:38,967 --> 00:02:42,266 It's been really difficult. I... I really feel bad for them. 49 00:02:51,367 --> 00:02:55,667 [Steve] I'm in Cibolo, Texas, just outside of San Antonio. 50 00:02:55,667 --> 00:02:59,166 I got a call from a professional romance writer named Donalyn. 51 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:00,867 She sounded desperate. 52 00:03:00,867 --> 00:03:05,634 Says whatever is in her house is violent, angry and is going after her. 53 00:03:06,367 --> 00:03:08,567 Donalyn told me she's tried everything. 54 00:03:08,567 --> 00:03:09,667 And if we can't help, 55 00:03:09,734 --> 00:03:12,367 she really thinks her days are numbered. 56 00:03:12,367 --> 00:03:15,467 So, Donalyn, I gotta tell you. Just driving through this neighborhood 57 00:03:15,533 --> 00:03:17,266 and then coming into this beautiful home, 58 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:19,467 I'm like, "How can anybody have issues?" 59 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:24,100 It looks nice, and, you know, it's pretty, but it's... it's miserable to live here. 60 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:26,767 Something... something, uh, won't leave me alone. 61 00:03:26,767 --> 00:03:27,967 I think it wants me dead. 62 00:03:27,967 --> 00:03:30,367 You really, really, sincerely believe that thought? 63 00:03:30,367 --> 00:03:32,967 I really, really, sincerely believe that. 64 00:03:33,033 --> 00:03:35,266 How much longer can you deal with this? 65 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:37,467 Not much longer. 66 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:40,166 I... I'm getting an hour, two hours of sleep a day. 67 00:03:40,166 --> 00:03:41,667 -[Steve] Hmm. -[Donalyn] I don't enjoy the house. 68 00:03:41,667 --> 00:03:43,266 I stay on the couch down here. 69 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:44,367 That's where you sleep? 70 00:03:44,367 --> 00:03:45,767 Yup. 71 00:03:45,767 --> 00:03:47,967 Now, I understand you're an... Uh, you write novels, right? 72 00:03:47,967 --> 00:03:49,467 Yes. 73 00:03:49,467 --> 00:03:51,467 Now, you gotta have a pretty good imagination for that, I would think. 74 00:03:51,533 --> 00:03:53,166 -Yes. -Is your imagination running wild 75 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:54,667 with what's going on here, maybe? 76 00:03:54,667 --> 00:03:56,266 I write romance, not horror. 77 00:03:56,266 --> 00:03:58,867 -[chuckling] Okay. -If... if Brad Pitt shows up, then, maybe. [chuckles] 78 00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:00,266 [Steve] Okay. 79 00:04:00,333 --> 00:04:01,467 All right, so let's start with the basics. 80 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:02,867 Who lives in the house? 81 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:05,767 It would be me and my husband, Dennis... 82 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:09,066 -[Steve] Okay. -[Donalyn] ...our daughter, Regan, she has the blue hair. 83 00:04:09,066 --> 00:04:10,767 -[Steve] And how old is Regan? -[Donalyn] She's 31. 84 00:04:10,767 --> 00:04:11,767 Okay. 85 00:04:11,767 --> 00:04:13,967 [Donalyn] And our daughter, Julia. She's 27. 86 00:04:14,033 --> 00:04:17,567 She doesn't live here anymore, but she grew up here. 87 00:04:17,567 --> 00:04:19,100 All right, Donalyn, do me a favor 88 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,867 and, uh, just give me a list of what you guys are experiencing. 89 00:04:21,934 --> 00:04:24,166 Uh, we hear strange sounds, 90 00:04:24,233 --> 00:04:26,567 things move on their own, 91 00:04:26,634 --> 00:04:28,567 smell cigar smoke, 92 00:04:28,567 --> 00:04:30,367 I see, uh, apparitions, 93 00:04:30,367 --> 00:04:33,967 and, uh, I've been physically attacked. 94 00:04:34,033 --> 00:04:35,767 I just wanna back up one thing, the cigar smoke. 95 00:04:35,767 --> 00:04:38,567 I don't get that too often. What's that all about, you think? 96 00:04:38,567 --> 00:04:41,100 I think it's my grandfather, Ben. 97 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:43,133 -This is him? -Yes. 98 00:04:44,467 --> 00:04:46,066 -[Steve] He's a handsome man. -[Donalyn] Yes. 99 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:47,166 [Steve] Were you close with him? 100 00:04:47,166 --> 00:04:48,367 Oh, yeah. He raised me. 101 00:04:48,433 --> 00:04:50,867 My grandparents adopted us and raised us. 102 00:04:50,867 --> 00:04:53,166 -[Steve] Okay, so he was like a father to you? -He was my father, yeah. 103 00:04:53,166 --> 00:04:56,467 -Is he still with us or... -No, he passed away in '82. 104 00:04:56,467 --> 00:04:58,467 -How did he pass? -Cancer. 105 00:04:58,467 --> 00:05:01,100 So, you took it hard. I mean, you were young when he passed. 106 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:05,467 I took it really hard. My life fell apart after he passed. 107 00:05:05,467 --> 00:05:07,367 Okay, do you think he's still here? 108 00:05:07,367 --> 00:05:10,767 I would love to think that, um, that he checks on me, 109 00:05:10,834 --> 00:05:12,100 you know, and stuff like that. 110 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,934 I also hope he's passed on to the other side. 111 00:05:18,567 --> 00:05:21,066 [Cindy] I see a... a man, like, sitting... 112 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:25,767 on that bench over there. 113 00:05:25,767 --> 00:05:28,734 And he's lighting, like, a cigar. 114 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,967 But he's harmless. 115 00:05:30,967 --> 00:05:33,767 I feel like he died from cancer. 116 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:37,567 I feel like he's connected to the... the woman who lives here. 117 00:05:37,567 --> 00:05:41,133 I'm wondering if it's her father or the grandfather. 118 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:45,166 But he's really worried about the kids in the house. 119 00:05:45,166 --> 00:05:48,667 There's so much anger and aggression happening in this house. 120 00:05:48,734 --> 00:05:52,266 He's worried that the family is going to split apart. 121 00:05:52,266 --> 00:05:53,767 It's not safe. 122 00:05:53,834 --> 00:05:56,667 He... he's saying, like, they need to get out of this house. 123 00:05:56,734 --> 00:05:58,767 Things are... are really going downhill fast. 124 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,467 [Steve] So, why did you bring me in this kitchen? What's the story? 125 00:06:09,467 --> 00:06:11,567 Down here in this area, we argue a lot. 126 00:06:11,567 --> 00:06:13,667 -You and your husband? -Yeah. 127 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:15,467 -Couples fight all the time, right? -[Donalyn] Mmm-hmm. 128 00:06:15,467 --> 00:06:16,667 Why is this paranormal? 129 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:18,767 Something comes over me and I snap. 130 00:06:18,767 --> 00:06:21,166 I'm convinced it's this house. 131 00:06:21,166 --> 00:06:24,467 So, you mentioned that your daughter, Regan, just moved back in, right? 132 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:25,867 Any changes in her moods? 133 00:06:25,867 --> 00:06:28,767 She's withdrawn. She just hangs out in her room a lot. 134 00:06:28,834 --> 00:06:30,667 [Steve] Is that her, or is this something new? 135 00:06:30,667 --> 00:06:35,066 No, Regan's a very outgoing, you know, sparkly person 136 00:06:35,066 --> 00:06:36,367 -and, you know-- -So, it's not her. 137 00:06:36,433 --> 00:06:37,767 No, it's not her. 138 00:06:37,767 --> 00:06:39,667 So, anything else? 139 00:06:39,734 --> 00:06:41,667 Sometimes, when I try to open the cabinet door, 140 00:06:41,667 --> 00:06:43,734 it feels like something's trying to push it shut. 141 00:06:44,567 --> 00:06:46,667 You can open it, and it actually feels 142 00:06:46,734 --> 00:06:49,266 like there's a hand that's pushing it closed. 143 00:06:49,333 --> 00:06:51,867 [Steve] Do me a favor. Show me how hard we're talking about. 144 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:54,166 -Here, go ahead. -Really? 145 00:06:54,166 --> 00:06:55,000 Yes. 146 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,867 -That hard? -Yes. 147 00:06:56,867 --> 00:06:58,667 So, it's like, either somebody's pushing on it, 148 00:06:58,667 --> 00:07:00,767 -or somebody's trying to pull it back. -[Donalyn] Mmm-hmm. 149 00:07:00,767 --> 00:07:03,734 Interesting. I can't even debunk that. 150 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,367 I mean, how do you live like this? 151 00:07:06,367 --> 00:07:07,934 You... you don't. 152 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:12,166 So, I'm just stuck. I'm, like... This is my prison. 153 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:18,967 [Cindy] There's a lot of poltergeist activity in this room. 154 00:07:19,033 --> 00:07:21,166 It's loud, really loud. 155 00:07:21,166 --> 00:07:23,867 The drawers, things are opening, 156 00:07:23,867 --> 00:07:25,567 I see papers flying, 157 00:07:25,567 --> 00:07:28,367 and I... I do think stuff happens in the kitchen. 158 00:07:28,367 --> 00:07:33,100 I... I was hearing, like, plates shattering and glasses shattering. 159 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:35,266 I keep seeing an image of somebody 160 00:07:35,266 --> 00:07:38,266 having, like, a huge, like, gash on their hand. 161 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:40,066 Actually, I think these cabinets, like, 162 00:07:40,066 --> 00:07:42,567 sometimes, you'll come down here, and they're just open. 163 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:52,567 [Steve] So, I gotta tell you, this is one of the nicest bedrooms I've been in. 164 00:07:52,567 --> 00:07:56,066 But you told me that you're sleeping downstairs on the couch. 165 00:07:56,066 --> 00:07:57,967 -Yeah. -[Steve] What the hell's keeping you out of here? 166 00:07:57,967 --> 00:07:59,767 If I'm up here, a lot of times, I... 167 00:07:59,767 --> 00:08:03,667 It's like I'm getting strangled, and I wake up, and I'm gasping for air. 168 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:06,100 Did you actually feel like you had hands around you? 169 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:08,266 I was asleep. I didn't feel anything 170 00:08:08,266 --> 00:08:12,166 other than waking up startled and coughing and gasping for air. 171 00:08:12,166 --> 00:08:15,266 And my hands were pulling something away. 172 00:08:15,266 --> 00:08:18,000 Okay, do you suffer from asthma or any COPD or anything like that? 173 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,266 No. 174 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:20,867 Look, I'm not sure if that's paranormal, 175 00:08:20,867 --> 00:08:23,867 -but we'll just have to see what Cindy says. -Okay. 176 00:08:23,867 --> 00:08:25,667 All right, anything else? 177 00:08:25,734 --> 00:08:27,467 I've been scratched, um, 178 00:08:27,467 --> 00:08:30,567 this actually happened downstairs on the couch. 179 00:08:32,266 --> 00:08:33,767 Let me see your nails real quick. 180 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,967 All right, you can... you can scratch somebody with these. 181 00:08:37,967 --> 00:08:39,467 Could it have been a bad dream 182 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:40,567 and you just kinda scratched yourself, 183 00:08:40,567 --> 00:08:41,667 or, like, when you were getting choked? 184 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:43,100 I don't think so. 185 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:44,567 Because of the way the scratches are... 186 00:08:44,567 --> 00:08:47,367 -[Steve] Right. -...and the burning. 187 00:08:47,433 --> 00:08:50,467 And they went away after a few hours. 188 00:08:50,467 --> 00:08:52,266 All right, anything else? 189 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:53,767 Well, when I was up here, 190 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:56,166 um, something that started happening was, 191 00:08:56,166 --> 00:08:58,767 I was being touched inappropriately. 192 00:08:58,767 --> 00:09:00,667 Okay, so what was going on? 193 00:09:00,734 --> 00:09:03,066 I was laying on my stomach getting ready to go to bed, 194 00:09:03,066 --> 00:09:05,367 and I just started feeling this touching. 195 00:09:05,367 --> 00:09:06,567 Now that you're telling me that, 196 00:09:06,567 --> 00:09:08,266 it's no wonder you're staying downstairs. 197 00:09:08,266 --> 00:09:10,667 Yeah, it really bothers me 198 00:09:10,734 --> 00:09:13,266 because we've been married 36 years, 199 00:09:13,266 --> 00:09:15,667 and this is the first time, other than his deployments, 200 00:09:15,667 --> 00:09:17,567 that we don't sleep together. 201 00:09:17,567 --> 00:09:19,834 -It's gotta be fixed. -It's gotta be fixed. 202 00:09:22,166 --> 00:09:23,667 [Cindy] There's a man here. 203 00:09:23,667 --> 00:09:26,667 He's very bad, very dangerous. 204 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:29,467 I keep hearing, "The Butcher. The Butcher was here." 205 00:09:29,467 --> 00:09:32,266 Oh, that's crazy. So, in this bed, 206 00:09:32,266 --> 00:09:35,266 I'm seeing the Butcher taking a pillow 207 00:09:35,266 --> 00:09:38,066 and trying to smother the girl that sleeps here. 208 00:09:38,967 --> 00:09:42,367 I'm worried for her health, for her safety. 209 00:09:42,367 --> 00:09:46,934 I see her having marks on her body like she's been abused. 210 00:09:48,667 --> 00:09:52,467 She's had bruises, um, more than one time. 211 00:09:52,533 --> 00:09:55,967 Like, three fingerprints or a handprint. 212 00:09:55,967 --> 00:09:58,767 Different parts of the body. The lower back, I feel, the legs... 213 00:09:58,767 --> 00:10:00,667 You know, he's definitely... 214 00:10:00,667 --> 00:10:04,166 He's definitely putting his hands on her and creating bruises. 215 00:10:12,967 --> 00:10:15,133 [ominous music playing] 216 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,266 [Steve] So, Dennis, I was talking to your wife earlier. 217 00:10:27,266 --> 00:10:30,467 Your wife feels that whatever's in this house 218 00:10:30,467 --> 00:10:31,667 wants to kill her. 219 00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:33,467 Has she told you that? 220 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:36,467 -She's... scared, definitely. -Yeah. 221 00:10:36,533 --> 00:10:38,567 So, she mentioned something about moods. 222 00:10:38,634 --> 00:10:41,066 Like, her getting really angry for no reason 223 00:10:41,066 --> 00:10:43,066 -and you guys fighting. -[Dennis] Yes. 224 00:10:43,066 --> 00:10:46,166 You know, everything will be upbeat and fine, nice. 225 00:10:46,233 --> 00:10:49,066 And then, for no reason, she'll just go off, 226 00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:51,166 and the next thing you know, we're yelling at each other. 227 00:10:51,233 --> 00:10:53,867 Are you getting the rage that she's getting as well? 228 00:10:53,867 --> 00:10:56,667 -I do get angry easier. -[Steve] Okay. 229 00:10:56,667 --> 00:10:57,767 All right, so what can you tell me 230 00:10:57,834 --> 00:10:59,767 about any experiences you've had? 231 00:10:59,767 --> 00:11:03,367 Let's see. One time, we were sitting in the living room here. 232 00:11:03,367 --> 00:11:06,100 And we heard a crash in the kitchen. And... 233 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:09,467 you see that plaque over there that says, "Home is where the heart is"? 234 00:11:09,467 --> 00:11:13,000 I walked in there to find it on the other side of the island. 235 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,100 That's about seven or eight feet, 236 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:15,767 -maybe even nine feet. -[Steve] Yeah. 237 00:11:15,767 --> 00:11:17,767 I know you got a cat running around here. 238 00:11:17,834 --> 00:11:18,967 [chuckling] Does the cat go up there? 239 00:11:19,033 --> 00:11:20,166 No, this was before we had the cat. 240 00:11:20,166 --> 00:11:22,066 [Steve] So, Dennis, you're a military man. 241 00:11:22,066 --> 00:11:23,767 We're taught to be logical in the military. 242 00:11:23,834 --> 00:11:26,000 You tell me. What could have caused it? 243 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,967 I... I can't explain it. 244 00:11:27,066 --> 00:11:29,467 I mean, I've tried to think of every logical... 245 00:11:29,533 --> 00:11:32,367 -reason or whatever you... what could have caused it... -Right. 246 00:11:32,367 --> 00:11:34,166 ...to fly off the microwave. 247 00:11:34,233 --> 00:11:35,667 Okay, so what else can you tell me? 248 00:11:35,667 --> 00:11:38,233 Just a few weeks ago, I fell off a ladder. 249 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:41,967 [Steve] What happened? 250 00:11:41,967 --> 00:11:43,567 [Dennis] I've been on the ladder a thousand times. 251 00:11:43,634 --> 00:11:46,066 I don't know that I can attribute it to something supernatural, 252 00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:48,967 but I do know that the ladder shifted. 253 00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:55,467 Landed flat on my back on the sidewalk, 254 00:11:55,467 --> 00:11:56,667 was knocked off for a couple of minutes, 255 00:11:56,667 --> 00:11:59,367 went to the hospital, broke a couple ribs, 256 00:11:59,433 --> 00:12:00,867 L1 through L5, broken, 257 00:12:00,867 --> 00:12:04,166 uh, I had some bleeding in the brain. 258 00:12:04,233 --> 00:12:05,767 Oh, you're lucky you didn't get killed. 259 00:12:05,767 --> 00:12:07,367 Yes. 260 00:12:07,367 --> 00:12:09,467 What are your thoughts on it? Was it an accident, 261 00:12:09,467 --> 00:12:11,567 or do you think it had something to do with what's going on here? 262 00:12:11,567 --> 00:12:14,367 Well, the logical me wants to think it was just an accident. 263 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:16,166 Deep down inside, I kinda wonder, 264 00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:19,567 "Is this part of what's going on in the house," you know? 265 00:12:19,634 --> 00:12:20,934 Okay. 266 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,166 [Cindy] The Butcher wants the young woman in this room. 267 00:12:29,667 --> 00:12:31,166 This is really messed up. 268 00:12:31,166 --> 00:12:33,734 So, I think he wants the parents to leave, and he wants to keep her. 269 00:12:38,367 --> 00:12:40,867 What is he specifically doing to try and drive them out? 270 00:12:40,934 --> 00:12:45,100 So, he's trying to make the parents fight. 271 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:48,667 He's trying to break up the marriage. 272 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:54,166 He's saying, "There's not enough money in the world that can save this family 273 00:12:54,233 --> 00:12:56,367 from the wrath that I'm going to bring on them 274 00:12:56,433 --> 00:12:57,867 if they don't leave this house." 275 00:12:57,867 --> 00:13:00,133 [ominous music playing] 276 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,767 So, Regan, I understand you moved back here, right? 277 00:13:11,767 --> 00:13:12,867 Yes, that's correct. 278 00:13:12,934 --> 00:13:14,066 So, how long have you been back? 279 00:13:14,166 --> 00:13:16,266 -I've been back for a little over a year. -[Steve] Okay. 280 00:13:16,266 --> 00:13:18,867 Your mom said that since you've been back, 281 00:13:19,667 --> 00:13:22,667 you seem kind of somber and to yourself. 282 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:25,066 Whenever you come home, you just come up into your room. 283 00:13:25,133 --> 00:13:26,767 I mean, is that true? 284 00:13:26,834 --> 00:13:28,066 I mean, it is true. 285 00:13:28,066 --> 00:13:30,867 I do tend to just stick to my room a lot more. 286 00:13:30,867 --> 00:13:33,467 What experiences have you had since you moved back? 287 00:13:33,533 --> 00:13:35,266 Whenever I am alone in the house, 288 00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:38,767 um, I feel like someone's watching me, 289 00:13:38,767 --> 00:13:41,266 or I feel like there's a presence in the house, 290 00:13:41,266 --> 00:13:42,767 to the point where... 291 00:13:42,767 --> 00:13:44,967 I have to get up and go look around. 292 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,066 Do you find anything? 293 00:13:46,066 --> 00:13:48,266 -Any evidence of somebody being in the house? -No. 294 00:13:48,266 --> 00:13:49,867 It's just, uh, this urge. 295 00:13:49,934 --> 00:13:52,467 I feel like I need to go check every room and every closet. 296 00:13:52,467 --> 00:13:54,567 Um, but no, I never find anything. 297 00:13:54,567 --> 00:13:56,867 Okay, so what else can you tell me about that? 298 00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:59,467 I heard my mom on the phone, and she's coming out of her room, 299 00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:02,166 and as she's walking down the stairs, 300 00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,000 I felt, like, this energy, masculine presence. 301 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,367 I felt it, like, detach and come into my room. 302 00:14:08,367 --> 00:14:12,000 And it was so intense that I immediately turned over 303 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,967 and put the covers over my head and closed my eyes. 304 00:14:14,967 --> 00:14:16,667 And I just felt like it was the... 305 00:14:16,667 --> 00:14:19,767 the same masculine presence just, like, standing over me, staring at me. 306 00:14:19,834 --> 00:14:22,100 All right, so is there anything else? 307 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:24,667 About a month after I moved in, 308 00:14:24,734 --> 00:14:26,000 I had a really bad nightmare. 309 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,867 And it was interesting because I was dreaming. 310 00:14:29,867 --> 00:14:33,467 All of a sudden, I felt like I was ripped out of the dream. 311 00:14:33,467 --> 00:14:36,367 And next thing I know, I'm in this pitch-black room, 312 00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:38,967 and I'm frozen on the ground, I can't move. 313 00:14:39,033 --> 00:14:41,266 And I feel this presence. 314 00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:42,767 And it's the exact same presence 315 00:14:42,767 --> 00:14:44,867 that I felt that night following my mom. 316 00:14:44,867 --> 00:14:47,000 So, do you think you have abilities? 317 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,100 For me, personally, I guess I would say 318 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:51,767 I have more of a sensitivity to, like, energies. 319 00:14:51,767 --> 00:14:54,667 It's also something that I don't really wanna delve deeper into 320 00:14:54,667 --> 00:14:58,000 on the off chance that it does open up something 321 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,567 -I don't wanna be opened up to. -Okay. 322 00:15:03,967 --> 00:15:05,667 [Cindy] The girl that lives here, 323 00:15:05,667 --> 00:15:10,533 I feel like she's been sensing spirits for a really long time. 324 00:15:11,166 --> 00:15:13,367 She's very, very, very psychic. 325 00:15:13,433 --> 00:15:15,333 Very open. 326 00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:19,667 Her energy created a portal in this house. 327 00:15:19,667 --> 00:15:22,667 The Butcher came in through the portal. 328 00:15:22,667 --> 00:15:25,867 I feel like he's trying to control her thoughts. 329 00:15:25,934 --> 00:15:28,266 He's trying to control her mood. 330 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:30,467 It's like he's trying to keep her trapped. 331 00:15:30,533 --> 00:15:33,567 Like, trapped in the house. He doesn't want her to be free. 332 00:15:33,634 --> 00:15:35,367 Has her behavior changed at all because of this? 333 00:15:35,367 --> 00:15:38,166 Definitely. She's really withdrawn. 334 00:15:38,166 --> 00:15:40,667 She wants to get out of here. She wants to leave. 335 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:42,133 She's really depressed. 336 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:46,066 He feels like if he scares her enough, 337 00:15:46,066 --> 00:15:49,433 that she's going to be under his control. 338 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,467 "She's mine." 339 00:15:52,467 --> 00:15:54,767 So, he's trying to control her 340 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:57,834 and run her life like an abusive parent. 341 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:02,367 [suspenseful music playing] 342 00:16:02,433 --> 00:16:04,967 [Steve] So, I just got a call from a local historian. 343 00:16:04,967 --> 00:16:06,367 She did some digging, and it turns out, 344 00:16:06,367 --> 00:16:11,166 the first owner of Donalyn's land was a real piece of work. 345 00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:13,166 The expert tells me this guy was such a jerk, 346 00:16:13,166 --> 00:16:15,867 even his kids couldn't stand him. 347 00:16:22,367 --> 00:16:23,767 All right, Lauren, so let's get right to it. 348 00:16:23,767 --> 00:16:25,066 Who was this guy? 349 00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:27,767 So, the very first owner of the property 350 00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:29,667 was a man named Simon Cockrell. 351 00:16:29,667 --> 00:16:31,266 Uh, what did this guy do for a living? 352 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:33,567 Cockrell was actually a soldier 353 00:16:33,634 --> 00:16:35,367 and fought in the Texas Revolution. 354 00:16:35,433 --> 00:16:39,567 Okay, so when does he wind up acquiring my client's land? 355 00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:42,767 So, in 1838, he receives a land grant 356 00:16:42,767 --> 00:16:44,867 for participating in the Texas Revolution. 357 00:16:44,867 --> 00:16:47,100 Okay, so how much property did he get? 358 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,166 320 acres. 359 00:16:49,166 --> 00:16:50,166 Must have been a hell of a soldier 360 00:16:50,166 --> 00:16:51,767 for that much property. That's a lot. 361 00:16:51,834 --> 00:16:53,066 Most likely so. 362 00:16:53,133 --> 00:16:54,867 This guy ever have time to get married or have kids 363 00:16:54,867 --> 00:16:56,166 -or anything like that? -Yes. 364 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:59,867 He actually meets a local, young, beautiful woman. 365 00:16:59,867 --> 00:17:01,033 Her name was Edna. 366 00:17:01,166 --> 00:17:04,767 But with Simon, brutality was just a way of life for him. 367 00:17:04,767 --> 00:17:08,066 So, he proposes to her, and he tells her, 368 00:17:08,133 --> 00:17:11,934 "Hey, if you don't marry me, then I'll kill your father and your brothers." 369 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,467 So, Edna feels cornered. 370 00:17:15,533 --> 00:17:18,867 And she ends up marrying Simon in 1838. 371 00:17:18,867 --> 00:17:21,233 And here's a record of that marriage. 372 00:17:22,767 --> 00:17:25,867 [Steve] Okay, so who says romance is dead? 373 00:17:25,867 --> 00:17:26,967 Did they have any kids? 374 00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:30,066 They did. They ended up having five children. 375 00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:34,100 But unfortunately, with the birth of the fifth child, 376 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:35,767 there was a great tragedy 377 00:17:35,767 --> 00:17:39,367 because during childbirth, Edna dies, 378 00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,967 and so does her baby, Polly. 379 00:17:41,967 --> 00:17:44,467 And this leaves him 380 00:17:44,467 --> 00:17:47,166 with four children to take care of. 381 00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:48,567 [Steve] So, does he raise the kids? 382 00:17:48,567 --> 00:17:51,867 All of them except for five-year-old Ophelia. 383 00:17:51,867 --> 00:17:53,000 [Steve] Why? 384 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,767 So, young Ophelia was described as being 385 00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,767 the spitting image of her mother. 386 00:17:58,834 --> 00:17:59,567 Okay. 387 00:17:59,667 --> 00:18:01,467 And she was detested by her father. 388 00:18:01,533 --> 00:18:04,367 So, he leaves her on the side of the road 389 00:18:04,367 --> 00:18:07,834 and tells her, "If you come back, I'm gonna kill you." 390 00:18:08,867 --> 00:18:10,967 -He tells this to a five-year-old? -[Lauren] Yes. 391 00:18:10,967 --> 00:18:12,667 [Steve] This guy's a piece of [bleep]. 392 00:18:12,734 --> 00:18:14,867 So, now he leaves his kid on the side of the road. What the hell happens to her? 393 00:18:14,934 --> 00:18:18,867 Fortunately for Ophelia, a doctor saw her, adopted her 394 00:18:18,867 --> 00:18:21,066 and took her as his own, raised her as his own. 395 00:18:21,066 --> 00:18:23,667 You know what? She probably did better off, right? 396 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:26,266 She did. She actually had a happy life. 397 00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:27,667 So, how does it end up with this guy? 398 00:18:27,667 --> 00:18:29,567 So, in the end, 399 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:32,867 Simon's left with nothing but a government pension. 400 00:18:32,867 --> 00:18:37,066 -Okay. -And he's forced to move to North Texas, 401 00:18:37,133 --> 00:18:40,467 he rents a room from a distant relative, 402 00:18:40,467 --> 00:18:42,667 and that's where he dies at the age of 93. 403 00:18:42,667 --> 00:18:44,934 And here's his obituary. 404 00:18:46,767 --> 00:18:49,333 So, when you said on the phone this was a bad guy, you weren't kidding. 405 00:18:52,967 --> 00:18:55,567 [Cindy] The Butcher is fixated on the woman in this room. 406 00:18:57,066 --> 00:18:58,567 Any particular reason? 407 00:18:58,567 --> 00:19:00,467 She reminds him 408 00:19:00,533 --> 00:19:04,266 of a daughter that he had when he was alive. 409 00:19:04,266 --> 00:19:07,767 There's some issue between this father-daughter relationship 410 00:19:07,767 --> 00:19:12,166 where just the whole family feels super dysfunctional. 411 00:19:12,767 --> 00:19:14,367 I just keep hearing him say, 412 00:19:14,433 --> 00:19:19,066 "She reminds me of a daughter that I... that I lost." 413 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,433 It's bad. 414 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,967 [Steve] So, the first thing I do whenever I start a case 415 00:19:26,967 --> 00:19:29,000 is call local law enforcement. 416 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,767 A retired Texas Ranger just got back to me. 417 00:19:31,767 --> 00:19:34,567 He says a serial killer used to work the area, 418 00:19:34,634 --> 00:19:36,867 and that this guy was so sick and twisted, 419 00:19:36,867 --> 00:19:40,333 he earned himself the nickname, The Butcher. 420 00:19:47,367 --> 00:19:50,066 Well, Tony, thanks for reaching out to me. I appreciate it. 421 00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:52,767 All right, so this guy, The Butcher. That's quite a nickname. 422 00:19:52,834 --> 00:19:54,200 What do we know about him? 423 00:19:54,266 --> 00:19:57,166 [Tony] Well, the man we're talking about, his name is, uh, Joseph Ball. 424 00:19:57,166 --> 00:20:02,467 He was born in the San Antonio area in January of 1896 425 00:20:02,467 --> 00:20:05,266 and was raised in a small town called Elmendorf. 426 00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:07,767 [Steve] So, now, Tony, most of the serial killers I've researched, 427 00:20:07,767 --> 00:20:10,066 their background is pretty bad, you know? 428 00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:12,467 Abused kids, you know, stuff like that. What about him? 429 00:20:12,467 --> 00:20:14,567 No, Joe came from a prominent family, 430 00:20:14,634 --> 00:20:16,767 and Joe himself served in World War I. 431 00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:18,266 So, none of this is making sense to me. 432 00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:20,967 The guy comes from a prominent family, serves his country in the war. 433 00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:22,467 When did things go bad with him? 434 00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:26,166 So, he gets back from the war, and he gets involved in illegal bootlegging. 435 00:20:26,166 --> 00:20:30,567 Um, after Prohibition, he opens up a... a tavern in the town of Elmendorf. 436 00:20:30,567 --> 00:20:32,667 -Okay. -[Tony] Pretty seedy place, 437 00:20:32,667 --> 00:20:35,467 known for having showgirl barmaids. 438 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:38,000 It's also known for having a... a pond in the back 439 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,667 where Joe kept live alligators. 440 00:20:39,734 --> 00:20:43,166 And it was also rumored that he would entertain his guests 441 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:46,467 by feeding these alligators live dogs and cats. 442 00:20:46,467 --> 00:20:47,367 Really? 443 00:20:47,433 --> 00:20:48,700 Yes. 444 00:20:48,767 --> 00:20:51,567 So, when does this maniac go from killing dogs and cats to humans? 445 00:20:51,634 --> 00:20:54,967 So, in 1937, some of his barmaids started vanishing. 446 00:20:55,033 --> 00:20:57,367 All right, so, Tony, I can assume the cops' next step 447 00:20:57,367 --> 00:20:58,767 is to go to the tavern to talk to him. 448 00:20:58,767 --> 00:21:01,467 -Absolutely. And Ball's nervous. -[Steve] Okay. 449 00:21:01,533 --> 00:21:03,100 He asked for permission to go behind the counter 450 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,066 and get himself a beer to calm his nerves. 451 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:06,767 Goes behind the counter, 452 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:09,567 reaches underneath it, grabs a .45 pistol, 453 00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:11,667 points it to his chest, pulls the trigger 454 00:21:11,734 --> 00:21:13,667 and drops dead right there at the bar. 455 00:21:13,667 --> 00:21:15,467 42 years old. 456 00:21:15,467 --> 00:21:18,467 This actually became a huge story at the time. 457 00:21:18,467 --> 00:21:20,567 -All right, so, Tony, let me ask you a question. -[Tony] Mmm-hmm. 458 00:21:20,634 --> 00:21:22,567 Why are they considering this guy a serial killer? 459 00:21:22,567 --> 00:21:26,567 So, through their investigation, they found a scrapbook of Joe's 460 00:21:26,567 --> 00:21:29,634 that had pictures in it of... of dozens of missing women in it. 461 00:21:30,467 --> 00:21:31,667 -Really? -[Tony] Correct. 462 00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:33,767 So, they believe that he was responsible 463 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:37,066 for the death of as many as 20 women in the area. 464 00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:38,867 So, this guy's a real psychopath. 465 00:21:38,934 --> 00:21:41,066 -[Steve] He's probably been killing women for years. -[Tony] Right. 466 00:21:41,066 --> 00:21:44,367 So, that's why they went and labeled him "the Butcher of Elmendorf." 467 00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:46,867 [scoffs] I'm not surprised. 468 00:21:46,934 --> 00:21:49,967 [Cindy] I keep hearing "The Butcher, the Butcher was here." 469 00:21:49,967 --> 00:21:51,867 So, I feel like there's a murder. 470 00:21:51,867 --> 00:21:53,100 I see blood everywhere. 471 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:54,367 I see a knife. 472 00:21:54,433 --> 00:21:57,066 And is this something that this person did in life, 473 00:21:57,133 --> 00:21:58,667 -like, stabbing people? -[Cindy] Yeah. 474 00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:00,767 Did I say the name Joe before? 475 00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:02,967 'Cause that named "Joe" just came in. 476 00:22:02,967 --> 00:22:04,667 This man is saying to me, 477 00:22:04,667 --> 00:22:07,667 "I left a trail of terror behind me. 478 00:22:07,667 --> 00:22:10,467 I was in the newspaper. People wrote about me. 479 00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:12,066 They saw my face. 480 00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:15,467 I got fame from my killing spree. 481 00:22:15,467 --> 00:22:17,667 It made me famous." 482 00:22:17,667 --> 00:22:19,867 He doesn't feel regret at all. 483 00:22:19,867 --> 00:22:22,467 He's like, "I don't feel bad about anything that I did." 484 00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:25,867 He just feels insane. He feels mentally ill. 485 00:22:25,867 --> 00:22:28,767 He feels like a total psychopath. 486 00:22:28,767 --> 00:22:31,166 Just really out of his mind. 487 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,967 Why is he here? 488 00:22:35,567 --> 00:22:37,967 He wants to finish the job he never got to finish 489 00:22:37,967 --> 00:22:39,266 when he was alive. 490 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:41,867 He wants to finish the killing spree that he started. 491 00:22:41,867 --> 00:22:42,734 He wants... 492 00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:47,066 He wants to finish killing. 493 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,367 For more information on the show, 494 00:22:49,367 --> 00:22:51,066 and if you need us to investigate 495 00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:53,667 any unexplained paranormal activity in your home... 496 00:22:53,734 --> 00:22:57,467 Please visit travelchannel.com/ thedeadfiles. 497 00:22:57,467 --> 00:23:00,266 Click on, "Help me Dead Files" to submit your story, 498 00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:01,567 and we'll help if we can. 499 00:23:04,367 --> 00:23:06,667 [Steve] So far, I have a professional romance writer 500 00:23:06,734 --> 00:23:08,467 terrified something's out to get her, 501 00:23:08,533 --> 00:23:12,367 on a property where one of the original owners terrorized his own family 502 00:23:12,367 --> 00:23:14,166 before losing everything. 503 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,667 But I want to see if there's anything else. 504 00:23:16,667 --> 00:23:18,867 Searching through old records, I find Donalyn's land 505 00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:22,834 used to be part of an airfield where some pretty strange accidents took place. 506 00:23:25,467 --> 00:23:27,667 I'm heading over to meet an aviation expert 507 00:23:27,667 --> 00:23:30,266 who knows all about these tragedies. 508 00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:34,133 He says two of the crashes happened very close to Donalyn's house. 509 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,667 So, Mike, I appreciate you meeting me and helping out with this case. 510 00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:48,266 Before we get to the crashes, 511 00:23:48,266 --> 00:23:50,667 what can you tell me about this airfield that was on my client's property? 512 00:23:50,667 --> 00:23:52,667 Well, it was called Kardys Airfield. 513 00:23:52,734 --> 00:23:55,066 And it's basically just an uncontrolled air strip. 514 00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:56,567 Very, you know, simple aircraft 515 00:23:56,567 --> 00:23:59,166 that don't take a lot of space to come and go and land. 516 00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:01,166 Obviously, it's not there anymore. When did it close? 517 00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:02,867 It closed in 1999, 518 00:24:02,867 --> 00:24:07,000 and in about 2003, it got converted over to a, uh, housing development. 519 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,467 All right, Mike, so let's get to the crashes. 520 00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:10,467 Tell me about the first one. Who was involved in it? 521 00:24:10,467 --> 00:24:12,867 Well, the first one was Lieutenant Voris James, 522 00:24:12,867 --> 00:24:15,066 a Tuskegee Airman from the Second World War. 523 00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:16,867 -Okay. -Uh, he was a B-25 pilot. 524 00:24:16,934 --> 00:24:19,166 I fact, I have a picture of him here for you. 525 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,367 [Steve] So, this guy's a distinguished pilot. 526 00:24:21,367 --> 00:24:24,000 I mean, World War II, right? A veteran, 527 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,867 he knew what he was doing. What the hell happened? 528 00:24:25,867 --> 00:24:28,166 Well, it was December 8th, 1946. 529 00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:30,567 -Okay. -He departed Brooks Field on a routine training flight. 530 00:24:30,567 --> 00:24:32,367 He flew into the clouds, 531 00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:35,967 and next thing we know we have eyewitness testimony saying, "He came out of the clouds 532 00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:38,767 on a spiraling dive, crashing to the ground, 533 00:24:38,767 --> 00:24:41,166 and, uh, being killed immediately on impact." 534 00:24:41,233 --> 00:24:42,467 -[Steve] Okay. -In fact, I have an article that, 535 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:44,266 uh, recounts the story. 536 00:24:44,266 --> 00:24:46,567 [Steve] How far is this from my client's property? 537 00:24:46,634 --> 00:24:49,567 [Michael] It's only about a mile from your client's property. 538 00:24:49,634 --> 00:24:52,066 All right, so you're a aviation investigator, right? 539 00:24:52,066 --> 00:24:54,066 -I am. -So, what do you think happened? 540 00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:57,767 Likely, he suffered something we call "spatial disorientation," 541 00:24:57,767 --> 00:25:02,166 where he can't reconcile his flight path from reality, 542 00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:06,166 because the clues he's receiving from his eyes have been cut off from him 543 00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:09,767 and the clues he's receiving from his ears are lying to him. 544 00:25:09,767 --> 00:25:11,066 And the result of that is 545 00:25:11,066 --> 00:25:12,967 you can lose control of the aircraft. 546 00:25:12,967 --> 00:25:16,767 [Steve] So, all that combat experience did nothing to help him out of this situation? 547 00:25:16,767 --> 00:25:18,100 Not this time. 548 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,066 -That's a shame 'cause this guy was a hero. -[Michael] Yes. 549 00:25:20,066 --> 00:25:21,767 All right, so, Michael, there's the second accident. 550 00:25:21,767 --> 00:25:23,066 Who's involved in that one? 551 00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:25,567 Well, in this accident, there were two aircraft involved. 552 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:28,867 -Okay. -There was a World War II Stearman training aircraft 553 00:25:28,867 --> 00:25:31,667 being followed by a Cessna 172. 554 00:25:31,667 --> 00:25:34,867 What they did is they hired a very famous photographer named, uh, Perry Shankle. 555 00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:35,867 In fact, I have a picture of him. 556 00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:38,767 -Okay. -And he was gonna be in the Cessna 172 557 00:25:38,834 --> 00:25:40,266 taking a picture of the Stearman. 558 00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:43,367 Interestingly, he brought along his 12-year-old daughter Michelle, 559 00:25:43,367 --> 00:25:46,667 and she was in the Stearman, the aircraft he was taking pictures of. 560 00:25:46,667 --> 00:25:48,000 All right, so what went wrong? 561 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,867 So, it was June 16th, 1980. 562 00:25:49,867 --> 00:25:51,266 They took off from Kardys Airfield. 563 00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:54,066 -Okay. -They were flying in close formation 564 00:25:54,133 --> 00:25:57,667 in order to get the pictures and they collided. 565 00:25:57,734 --> 00:26:00,667 And the three adults on the aircraft were all killed instantly. 566 00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:02,667 In fact, here are their death certificates. 567 00:26:02,667 --> 00:26:04,166 All right, so the three adults die. 568 00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:05,567 [Michael] Died pretty much instantly, yes. 569 00:26:05,567 --> 00:26:07,567 [Steve] Okay, so what happened with Michelle? 570 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,567 Miraculously, she survived. 571 00:26:09,634 --> 00:26:12,367 She had some head injuries and she had some broken bones, 572 00:26:12,433 --> 00:26:14,367 but she survived the incident. 573 00:26:14,367 --> 00:26:16,266 What are the chances of her surviving that? 574 00:26:16,266 --> 00:26:18,033 It's in the miracle category. 575 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,767 [Cindy] Where is this portal? 576 00:26:26,266 --> 00:26:27,433 It's there. 577 00:26:28,266 --> 00:26:29,767 It's right here. 578 00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:33,000 So, there's a bunch of random spirits that can come in and out of a portal. 579 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,467 I'm gonna do some automatic writing, 580 00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:37,634 because I wanna see if I can get more information about this portal. 581 00:26:41,467 --> 00:26:42,266 Okay. 582 00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:44,567 So, it's caused by the digging 583 00:26:44,634 --> 00:26:47,166 underneath when they were making the foundation. 584 00:26:47,233 --> 00:26:49,767 It created a crack, like an opening. 585 00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:53,166 It's like something right underneath 586 00:26:53,233 --> 00:26:55,166 this here. 587 00:27:05,266 --> 00:27:07,467 I saw a lot of disturbing things in my walk, 588 00:27:07,467 --> 00:27:09,867 but one really stood out. 589 00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:12,333 The Butcher smothering a living woman. 590 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,567 So, she was laying in bed, sleeping, 591 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,266 and I saw him taking a pillow 592 00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:19,967 and trying to put it over her face. 593 00:27:19,967 --> 00:27:21,567 I didn't see his face, 594 00:27:21,567 --> 00:27:23,467 but I felt like he had dark hair. 595 00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:26,000 -[artist] Mmm-hmm. -And I feel like he was in his, maybe, 596 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,467 -uh, late 30s, early 40s, around that age. -[artist] Mmm-hmm. 597 00:27:29,467 --> 00:27:31,634 I think he was just a little bit taller. 598 00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:41,233 Cindy, this is what you saw? 599 00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:44,867 That's definitely what I saw. 600 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,767 [Steve] Now that Cindy and I have completed our investigations, 601 00:27:57,767 --> 00:28:00,467 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 602 00:28:00,467 --> 00:28:02,867 and our clients for the first time. 603 00:28:02,867 --> 00:28:05,567 So, Cindy, I want you to meet Donalyn. 604 00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:07,100 -That's her husband Dennis. -[Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 605 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,367 -[Steve] They own this beautiful home. -[Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 606 00:28:09,433 --> 00:28:10,967 [Steve] It's their daughter Regan, 607 00:28:11,033 --> 00:28:13,166 -who recently moved back in. -Oh, okay. 608 00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:14,867 Now, everyone agrees 609 00:28:14,934 --> 00:28:17,166 the activity in here is bad. 610 00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:19,867 -[Cindy] Mmm-hmm. -[Steve] And that Donalyn is getting the worst of it. 611 00:28:19,934 --> 00:28:21,066 So... 612 00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:23,467 now that Cindy knows a little bit about you guys, 613 00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:25,066 uh, she'll tell us about her walk. 614 00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:29,967 [Cindy] When I first arrived at your house, 615 00:28:29,967 --> 00:28:33,567 I immediately saw a dead guy sitting on the porch. 616 00:28:33,567 --> 00:28:35,934 And he was sitting in a chair smoking a cigar. 617 00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,467 And I felt like he died of cancer 618 00:28:39,533 --> 00:28:42,166 and he was connected to somebody in the house. 619 00:28:42,233 --> 00:28:43,767 So, I thought he might have been a father 620 00:28:43,767 --> 00:28:46,567 or a grandfather of somebody in the house. 621 00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:48,066 But this dead guy, 622 00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:50,767 he's a protector of the family. 623 00:28:50,767 --> 00:28:52,867 And he's extremely worried, 624 00:28:52,867 --> 00:28:56,667 specifically, because there's a lot of anger and aggression 625 00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:57,834 in this house right now. 626 00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:01,100 -Well, you can see the emotion... -[Donalyn exhales] 627 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:02,467 ...just on Donalyn. 628 00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:05,867 -This is a picture of Donalyn's grandfather Ben... -[Cindy] Ooh. 629 00:29:05,934 --> 00:29:07,667 [Steve] ...who basically raised her. 630 00:29:07,734 --> 00:29:09,567 He died in 1982 of cancer. 631 00:29:09,634 --> 00:29:11,266 -[Cindy] Mmm. -[Donalyn] Yes. 632 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:15,066 [Steve] And Donalyn will sometimes smells cigar smoke coming from the office. 633 00:29:15,066 --> 00:29:17,367 -He was my everything. -[Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 634 00:29:17,433 --> 00:29:20,567 [voice shaking] So, to know that he's here, it means a lot. 635 00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:24,166 'Cause I always wanted him to meet Dennis and my kids 636 00:29:24,166 --> 00:29:25,667 and my grandkids, 637 00:29:25,667 --> 00:29:28,667 and things like that that I missed out on. 638 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:31,367 And he wants your family to stay together. 639 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,266 Now, you mentioned he's worried about people fighting in the house. 640 00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:38,266 Now, that's been a big issue for these guys. 641 00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:40,867 For some reason, we just... everything will be fine and then, 642 00:29:40,867 --> 00:29:43,467 we're screaming at each other. 643 00:29:43,467 --> 00:29:45,867 Flip a switch, you know? It's like I'm fine 644 00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:48,567 and then, it's not even that I rage. It's that... 645 00:29:48,567 --> 00:29:50,667 A lot of times, I don't even remember. 646 00:29:55,667 --> 00:29:58,567 [Cindy] So, the next thing that I want to discuss 647 00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:01,066 is the poltergeist activity 648 00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,767 that's happening in this house. 649 00:30:03,767 --> 00:30:07,467 I was hearing, like, plates shattering and glasses shattering. 650 00:30:07,467 --> 00:30:09,367 Actually, I think these cabinets, like, 651 00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:11,166 sometimes, they'll come down here and they're just open. 652 00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:16,367 Let's talk about the pantry doors opening. 653 00:30:16,367 --> 00:30:19,066 I go in there to get something out, as I open the door, 654 00:30:19,066 --> 00:30:22,066 something's pushing it back closed forcefully. 655 00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:23,867 So, I asked her to show me how hard it was 656 00:30:23,934 --> 00:30:26,166 -and I got to be honest, it was really hard. - [Donalyn] Mmm-hmm. 657 00:30:26,166 --> 00:30:28,367 So, Dennis, do me a favor and explain to Cindy 658 00:30:28,367 --> 00:30:30,367 what happened with the plaque on top of the microwave. 659 00:30:30,367 --> 00:30:32,367 Yeah. So, we were in the living room 660 00:30:32,367 --> 00:30:34,166 when we heard a crash in the kitchen. 661 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:36,767 And, um, when we went to go look at 662 00:30:36,767 --> 00:30:37,767 and see what it was, 663 00:30:37,767 --> 00:30:39,100 we saw that the plaque 664 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,667 that normally sits on top of the microwave, 665 00:30:41,734 --> 00:30:45,066 -was about eight feet on the other side of the island. -Wow. 666 00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:47,467 So, I don't know 667 00:30:47,467 --> 00:30:49,000 how that happened. 668 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,867 I gotta bring up your accident. 669 00:30:51,867 --> 00:30:54,767 I was out front on an extension ladder. 670 00:30:54,767 --> 00:30:56,767 The ladder shifted pretty hard. 671 00:30:56,767 --> 00:30:59,367 And normally, I would have caught myself, 672 00:30:59,367 --> 00:31:00,767 but I went straight down. 673 00:31:00,767 --> 00:31:02,867 -Scary. -So, I got a video of it. 674 00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:05,066 I even hesitate to show you, but just watching it, 675 00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:07,367 -the way you hit. -It was hard. 676 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,667 [Cindy] Oh, my God. 677 00:31:14,734 --> 00:31:16,767 [Steve] It looked like somebody either kicked out 678 00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:18,166 one of the corners of the leg, 679 00:31:18,233 --> 00:31:20,567 -or it shifted like this. -[Cindy] Yeah. 680 00:31:20,567 --> 00:31:22,166 I mean, 'cause you weren't even moving. 681 00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:23,266 -No. -[Steve] No. 682 00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:25,734 [Cindy] Wow. That is a hard fall. 683 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,767 Next, I wanna talk about a living person 684 00:31:31,767 --> 00:31:33,867 who has really heightened abilities. 685 00:31:33,934 --> 00:31:35,967 It's a living female. 686 00:31:35,967 --> 00:31:38,767 And I think she started experiencing 687 00:31:38,767 --> 00:31:41,467 these things when she was a small child. 688 00:31:41,467 --> 00:31:43,367 And I got that she was really tapped in, 689 00:31:43,367 --> 00:31:47,333 but doesn't really understand what's happening to her. 690 00:31:49,166 --> 00:31:52,166 Donalyn, you told me you've been having experiences your whole life, right? 691 00:31:52,166 --> 00:31:53,066 Mmm-hmm. 692 00:31:53,133 --> 00:31:54,467 You know, seeing things, 693 00:31:54,467 --> 00:31:56,066 hearing things. 694 00:31:56,133 --> 00:31:57,467 But what about you? 695 00:31:57,533 --> 00:31:58,967 -[Steve] Well, that's what I was-- -Yeah, I was gonna say. 696 00:31:59,033 --> 00:32:01,233 'Cause I think I'm talking about you. 697 00:32:03,367 --> 00:32:06,867 I've seen some, I guess, you consider shadow people. 698 00:32:06,867 --> 00:32:09,367 Uh, I've been seeing that since I was a kid, 699 00:32:09,367 --> 00:32:10,967 and then, yeah, I definitely have a sense 700 00:32:10,967 --> 00:32:13,867 of, uh, energies moving about the house. 701 00:32:13,867 --> 00:32:17,133 But I kind of chalk it all up to my imagination. 702 00:32:19,367 --> 00:32:21,734 So, I'm definitely talking about you. 703 00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:26,667 I don't really know what to think about that. 704 00:32:26,734 --> 00:32:29,166 These types of abilities, they run in families. 705 00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:30,867 So, Donalyn, you have this ability, 706 00:32:30,934 --> 00:32:32,667 and you probably passed it on to your daughter. 707 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,567 Did you notice activity pick up when she moved back in? 708 00:32:36,634 --> 00:32:37,767 Yes, definitely. 709 00:32:37,767 --> 00:32:38,967 -Okay. -[Donalyn] Yeah. 710 00:32:38,967 --> 00:32:40,066 -I didn't put the two two... -I didn't think about it, 711 00:32:40,133 --> 00:32:41,166 -but yeah. -[Donalyn] ...together at the time. 712 00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:42,667 But yeah, definitely. 713 00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:45,767 It seemed to run in conjunction with her. 714 00:32:45,767 --> 00:32:49,467 The two of you with your abilities, you have really strong energy. 715 00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:51,867 And the energy created a portal. 716 00:32:53,767 --> 00:32:57,767 I had a really hard time figuring out where it was located initially, 717 00:32:57,767 --> 00:33:00,667 but finally, I found it in the kitchen. 718 00:33:00,734 --> 00:33:04,166 All right, so you got all these dead people coming through this portal. 719 00:33:04,166 --> 00:33:05,667 Is that affecting these guys? 720 00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:09,567 Yes, because one of the dead who came through this portal, 721 00:33:09,567 --> 00:33:11,066 he hasn't left. 722 00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:15,467 I kept hearing, "The Butcher. The Butcher was here." 723 00:33:15,467 --> 00:33:19,100 This guy was definitely a murderer when he was alive. 724 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:20,667 100%. 725 00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:25,266 I heard him say, "I left a trail of terror behind me." 726 00:33:25,266 --> 00:33:26,867 And a name kept popping into my head. 727 00:33:26,867 --> 00:33:29,767 I kept hearing the name "Joe, Joe." 728 00:33:29,767 --> 00:33:33,367 And to me, he felt completely insane. 729 00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:35,166 Definitely a psychopath. 730 00:33:35,166 --> 00:33:36,867 Definitely out of his mind. 731 00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:39,767 And his ultimate goal is to finish the killings spree 732 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:41,967 that he started when he was alive. 733 00:33:41,967 --> 00:33:44,467 Okay. 734 00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:46,567 [Steve] Okay, Cindy, once again, you're blowing me away. 735 00:33:46,567 --> 00:33:48,667 Um, there was a serial killer 736 00:33:48,667 --> 00:33:52,467 who worked in this area known as "the Butcher of Elmendorf." 737 00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:53,266 -Really? -[Donalyn] What? 738 00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:56,266 Yes, and his name was Joe Ball. 739 00:33:56,266 --> 00:33:57,567 -Oh, my God. -[Steve] Yeah. 740 00:33:57,567 --> 00:34:00,333 Here's a picture of this whack job right here. 741 00:34:02,767 --> 00:34:05,066 -[Dennis] That guy's in our house? -Yes. 742 00:34:05,066 --> 00:34:09,166 [Steve] Ball didn't have the typical serial killer resume. 743 00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:10,967 He was born in 1896, 744 00:34:11,033 --> 00:34:13,567 uh, to a wealthy family in San Antonio area. 745 00:34:13,567 --> 00:34:15,667 Now, this guy served in World War I, 746 00:34:15,734 --> 00:34:18,367 but something wasn't right with this guy when he got back. 747 00:34:18,367 --> 00:34:20,000 He opened up a seedy bar. 748 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,867 He built an alligator pond out back of the bar, 749 00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:24,567 and he would throw live cats and dogs 750 00:34:24,634 --> 00:34:26,467 -inside to entertain the crowd. -[Donalyn exhales] 751 00:34:26,533 --> 00:34:28,734 -What? -[Steve] Yeah. 752 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,066 So now, in 1937, 753 00:34:31,066 --> 00:34:34,667 several of Joe's barmaids started mysteriously disappearing. 754 00:34:34,734 --> 00:34:37,467 So now, when the cops came to his bar to question him, 755 00:34:37,467 --> 00:34:39,867 he walked behind at the bar, pulled out a .45, 756 00:34:39,934 --> 00:34:41,367 put it to his chest, 757 00:34:41,367 --> 00:34:43,467 shot himself and he laid there dead. 758 00:34:43,533 --> 00:34:45,100 After his suicide, 759 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,166 a detective found a scrapbook of Joe's. 760 00:34:47,166 --> 00:34:50,100 It contained photos of dozens of missing women. 761 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:51,367 Ultimately, 762 00:34:51,367 --> 00:34:55,567 police came to believe he killed as many as 20 local women. 763 00:34:55,567 --> 00:34:56,867 Oh, my God. 764 00:34:56,867 --> 00:34:59,367 I knew there was something bad. I just didn't know how bad. 765 00:34:59,367 --> 00:35:01,567 [Steve] All right. So what does this maniac do to these guys? 766 00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:04,867 He definitely makes people feel like they're being watched. 767 00:35:04,934 --> 00:35:07,266 Especially the women, for sure. 768 00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:10,867 And I saw the Butcher putting his hands on women. 769 00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:14,767 And I saw bruises appearing on people's arms and legs. 770 00:35:14,767 --> 00:35:17,367 Let's talk about your scratches, Donalyn. 771 00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:20,166 I woke up one morning and I had two long scratches 772 00:35:20,166 --> 00:35:23,533 going down my neck and it burned really bad. 773 00:35:24,567 --> 00:35:26,100 I didn't want to bring it up, 774 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,567 but knowing this animal's in the house, 775 00:35:28,634 --> 00:35:29,967 you probably should tell her about 776 00:35:30,066 --> 00:35:32,266 -some of the inappropriate touching that's going on. -[Donalyn] Yeah. 777 00:35:32,266 --> 00:35:34,567 I'll be laying in bed 778 00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:37,166 and feel inappropriate touching. 779 00:35:37,233 --> 00:35:39,367 The last time, it was actually... 780 00:35:39,433 --> 00:35:41,767 It went beyond touching. 781 00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:43,567 It was actually painful. 782 00:35:43,634 --> 00:35:46,367 And so, that's probably one of the last nights 783 00:35:46,433 --> 00:35:49,467 that I think I even probably attempted to sleep upstairs. 784 00:35:50,266 --> 00:35:51,367 They don't sleep in the same bed. 785 00:35:51,367 --> 00:35:52,667 She goes up there for a little bit 786 00:35:52,667 --> 00:35:53,767 -and then she comes down... -[Cindy] Yeah. 787 00:35:53,767 --> 00:35:54,767 -[Steve] ...stays on the couch here. -Yeah. 788 00:35:54,767 --> 00:35:55,767 Yeah. 789 00:35:56,467 --> 00:35:58,367 -You feel watched, right? -[Regan] I do. 790 00:35:58,367 --> 00:36:01,767 To the point where I feel like I need to go check all the rooms 791 00:36:01,767 --> 00:36:05,166 and closets and look around and make sure no one is actually here. 792 00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:07,667 When I went upstairs to the smaller room, 793 00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:12,166 I saw that he was very focused on the girl who sleeps there. 794 00:36:12,166 --> 00:36:13,266 Okay, so that's Regan's room? 795 00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:14,166 -[Cindy] Yes. -[Regan] Okay. 796 00:36:14,166 --> 00:36:16,433 [Cindy] So, I saw him with a pillow. 797 00:36:17,567 --> 00:36:19,667 And I saw him 798 00:36:19,667 --> 00:36:22,467 trying to smother you with a pillow as you're sleeping. 799 00:36:22,467 --> 00:36:23,433 [Regan] Hmm. 800 00:36:24,667 --> 00:36:26,333 So, I had a sketch done of what I saw. 801 00:36:33,166 --> 00:36:34,734 I gotta show you this, but... 802 00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,867 -Oh, God. -What the actual [bleep]. 803 00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:39,634 [shudders] 804 00:36:42,767 --> 00:36:44,066 Regan, have you felt that? 805 00:36:44,066 --> 00:36:45,467 I've definitely felt, you know, 806 00:36:45,467 --> 00:36:47,734 something coming up to my bed and standing over me. 807 00:36:49,367 --> 00:36:51,967 Uh, that's a little intense. 808 00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:56,367 So, I know you saw the suffocation 809 00:36:56,433 --> 00:36:58,266 in Regan's room, but... Do me a favor, Donalyn, 810 00:36:58,266 --> 00:37:00,867 tell her about when you were choking. 811 00:37:00,934 --> 00:37:02,367 Sometimes, I would wake up gasping for air, 812 00:37:02,367 --> 00:37:04,767 coughing and pulling at my neck. 813 00:37:04,834 --> 00:37:08,467 [Steve] Regan, you also told me you felt a masculine energy in your room, right? 814 00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:09,967 Tell Cindy about that. 815 00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:12,266 I was getting ready to go to sleep. I was laying in bed. 816 00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:14,066 My mom came out of her room 817 00:37:14,133 --> 00:37:15,867 and as she was walking down the stairs, 818 00:37:15,867 --> 00:37:18,066 I felt this, like, energy. 819 00:37:18,066 --> 00:37:21,166 Like, this masculine energy, kind of, like, detach from her, 820 00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:22,967 and, kind of, come straight into my room. 821 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,166 I mean, this guy is really sick. 822 00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:27,867 And he's really fixated on you. 823 00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:30,266 It's like being in an abusive relationship. 824 00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:32,266 And I think he's changing your moods. 825 00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:34,266 He's making you feel, maybe, withdrawn 826 00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:36,967 and a little bit depressed. 827 00:37:37,033 --> 00:37:38,867 [Steve] Donalyn, we talked about this. 828 00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:40,467 Now, Dennis, 829 00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:42,266 do you notice a change in your daughter? 830 00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:44,367 [Dennis] Yes. Everything that's being said, 831 00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:47,767 it makes me just realize 832 00:37:47,834 --> 00:37:49,000 I don't talk to my daughter enough. 833 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,634 I feel terrible. 834 00:37:52,266 --> 00:37:53,667 And he's really delusional, 835 00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:56,166 like, somehow, he thinks that he can have you 836 00:37:56,233 --> 00:37:58,367 -for himself. -Oh. No. 837 00:37:58,367 --> 00:38:01,667 And I literally heard him say, "She's mine, she's mine." 838 00:38:01,734 --> 00:38:04,066 -Like, that's what he kept saying. -No, she's not. 839 00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:05,767 But you guys are in the way. 840 00:38:05,767 --> 00:38:07,667 So, he's trying to scare you, 841 00:38:07,734 --> 00:38:10,266 so you'll move out, so he can have her all to himself. 842 00:38:10,266 --> 00:38:12,967 So he's trying to separate your family, divide you. 843 00:38:13,033 --> 00:38:15,467 All right, so Dennis' accident with the ladder, 844 00:38:17,567 --> 00:38:19,066 was that the Butcher? 845 00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:21,533 Yes. 846 00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:24,567 I feel bad, 847 00:38:24,634 --> 00:38:28,166 'cause I, kind of, now feel like I'm the reason it's here. 848 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:31,767 It seems to have been affecting my parents 849 00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:33,467 more than anyone, 850 00:38:33,467 --> 00:38:35,166 -and I feel like I'm, kind of... -Don't feel like that. 851 00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:36,634 -...putting them in danger. -[Dennis] Mmm-mmm. 852 00:38:37,266 --> 00:38:38,867 [Donalyn] I'm pissed. 853 00:38:38,934 --> 00:38:40,667 I mean, this is my house. 854 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:42,867 It's got to stop. 855 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,266 [Steve] Now, Donalyn, you make a living writing romance novels, 856 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,567 but you're in the middle of a real life horror story here. 857 00:38:57,567 --> 00:38:59,266 And unfortunately, 858 00:38:59,333 --> 00:39:01,467 it looks like the entire family's in danger. 859 00:39:01,533 --> 00:39:04,166 So now, it's time to answer the big question. 860 00:39:04,166 --> 00:39:06,467 Can you stay in this beautiful home of yours? 861 00:39:06,467 --> 00:39:09,367 Or is it time to cut your losses and get the hell out of here? 862 00:39:09,367 --> 00:39:12,166 For that, I'm gonna turn it over to my partner Cindy. 863 00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:16,166 [Cindy] First and foremost, 864 00:39:16,166 --> 00:39:19,867 let's talk about your grandfather who's here. 865 00:39:19,867 --> 00:39:21,767 He's good. 866 00:39:21,767 --> 00:39:24,066 He's helpful. He wants to be here 867 00:39:24,133 --> 00:39:27,867 as your protector and for your family during this time. 868 00:39:27,934 --> 00:39:31,266 So, I don't feel like you have to do anything 869 00:39:31,333 --> 00:39:32,767 to remove him. 870 00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:35,100 And honestly, I think he's been with you for quite some time. 871 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:37,367 -Okay. -[Cindy] He's always with you. 872 00:39:37,367 --> 00:39:41,166 Next, let's talk about the portal and the poltergeist activity, 873 00:39:41,166 --> 00:39:43,367 which feed off of one another. 874 00:39:43,367 --> 00:39:46,467 I recommend bringing in a medium 875 00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:49,166 who knows how to close portals. 876 00:39:49,233 --> 00:39:52,367 Somebody who specializes in working with lands, 877 00:39:52,367 --> 00:39:53,467 working with elements, 878 00:39:53,467 --> 00:39:55,734 it's possible to close it. 879 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,367 Next, we have the Butcher 880 00:39:59,367 --> 00:40:00,967 who is a big problem. 881 00:40:00,967 --> 00:40:03,967 He's fixated on this house 882 00:40:03,967 --> 00:40:06,000 and your family. 883 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,166 So, you need to bring in a medium 884 00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:11,066 that can be firm, 885 00:40:11,066 --> 00:40:13,166 that knows how to 886 00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:15,166 put this guy in his place, 887 00:40:15,166 --> 00:40:17,533 and that is not going to be easy. 888 00:40:18,967 --> 00:40:21,367 And then back to your abilities. 889 00:40:21,367 --> 00:40:23,066 The two of you. 890 00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:27,066 I really, really can't recommend enough 891 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:29,867 taking some classes to understand energy, 892 00:40:29,867 --> 00:40:31,767 to understand mediumship, 893 00:40:31,767 --> 00:40:34,667 even if it's just to learn how to close it down. 894 00:40:34,667 --> 00:40:37,266 Ignoring it is not going to work. 895 00:40:37,266 --> 00:40:39,734 Pretending it's not there is not going to work. 896 00:40:41,567 --> 00:40:45,367 Because it's there, it's part of your lineage. 897 00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:47,867 You have that look like you're like, "Eh. I don't know about all this." 898 00:40:47,867 --> 00:40:51,367 It's something that I've been suppressing for a long time. 899 00:40:51,367 --> 00:40:55,567 I mean, I don't deny that it's happening. I just... 900 00:40:55,567 --> 00:40:57,867 I guess I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. 901 00:40:57,867 --> 00:40:59,667 Sure, trust me. Look, 902 00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:01,066 I talk to dead people for a living. 903 00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:03,767 It takes a lot for me to wrap my head around what I do still, 904 00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,066 and I've been doing it a long time. [chuckles] 905 00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:09,867 [softly] But now... 906 00:41:09,867 --> 00:41:13,367 [in normal voice] Now, I'm definitely taking it very seriously. 907 00:41:13,367 --> 00:41:15,166 But, I mean, now that I do know, 908 00:41:15,166 --> 00:41:17,567 I definitely want to do something about it, for sure. 909 00:41:17,567 --> 00:41:18,467 Yeah. 910 00:41:18,533 --> 00:41:19,667 So, what do you think, Dennis? 911 00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:22,867 I like that we have some solutions. 912 00:41:22,867 --> 00:41:25,767 I mean, this is a huge weight lifted. 913 00:41:25,767 --> 00:41:27,266 Yeah, we're just very grateful. 914 00:41:27,266 --> 00:41:28,367 -Yes. -Thank you. 915 00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:30,166 -You're welcome. -You're welcome. 916 00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,867 [Cindy] I really hope Donalyn and Regan follow my advice, 917 00:41:35,867 --> 00:41:38,867 and learn how to manage their abilities. 918 00:41:38,867 --> 00:41:40,066 If they do that, 919 00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:41,867 and call in a medium to close the portal 920 00:41:41,867 --> 00:41:43,467 and remove the Butcher, 921 00:41:43,467 --> 00:41:47,567 this family should be able to go back to living a peaceful and happy life.