His body was destroyed.
He's like, "She made me shoot myself in the head!"
I think it's a demon.
There was a strike, and it was hard.
Show me on the table how hard it hit you.
He lost his life. They killed him.
He kept screaming like "We're all going to die."
Someone was to hurt him,
they would have hell to pay.
She's just evil and a witch.
Oh, boy.
This is not a good situation.
The dominant emotion that's going on with the living is anger.
Severe anger.
There's too many emotions.
I feel like I'm gonna vomit.
Oh, God, I do.
What the [bleep] is happening?
I'm here in Kissimmee, Florida.
It's a city about 20 miles south of Orlando
and real close to where that mouse lives.
I got a desperate call from a woman named Lisa.
Her mom died about a year ago,
and that's when all hell broke loose.
She says whatever's there is now going after her and her son.
I really don't like when these things mess with kids,
so I hope Amy and I can help.
So, Lisa, when we spoke on the phone,
we talked about living in Florida.
I mean, you got the pool, beautiful home.
To me, I live here as well. It's like paradise in my opinion.
But when we spoke, it didn't sound like it was paradise to you.
No, not anymore.
It's horrible. Something's here.
It doesn't want us here.
It wants us gone or hurt.
When you say gone, what do you mean?
Like gone away, or gone like in dead?
Like in dead, like I think it wants to kill us.
Okay.
So, Lisa, do me a favor and let's start with the basics.
Who lives in the house?
You have my father Danny, myself,
my four-year-old son Mikey,
and my fiance Michael.
Okay.
Do me a favor and give me a list
of what you guys are experiencing?
We all see shadow figures, doppelgangers.
We all have health issues,
and we all get physically attacked.
So, Lisa, one of the reasons I took this case is obvious.
You have a child involved here. He's four years old.
Can you describe to me what he's experiencing?
Um, he gets pushed.
He has nightmares so bad that he doesn't wanna go to sleep.
And he sees people.
Where's he seeing people?
He sees people out beyond the fenceline.
Okay. Is there a house back there, or is that...
- What is that? - No, it's a cypress swamp.
- So, you have nobody living back there. - No.
And he's seeing people?
He sees people back there.
So, Lisa, how long have you been in this house?
Uh, we moved here when I was 12.
So, why are you calling us now?
It was always kinda light
until my mom passed away a couple of years ago.
And then it just exploded. It just ramped up.
So, if you don't mind me asking,
how'd she pass? What was wrong?
Breast cancer.
How old was mom when she passed? Do you recall?
She was 65.
What was your mom like?
Um...
- This her? - Yes.
My mom was...
...wonderful. She was the life of the party.
She always was the protector of everyone.
Do you think your mom is here?
Um, I don't think so.
I hope not.
Um, but I think she's, she's moved on.
So, what do you think is here?
I think it's a demon.
And I think that whatever's here
wants to either badly hurt us,
or to kill us.
Now, there's this woman...
...who is somehow related to the living.
I think she's in her 60s.
I think she had cancer.
I think that's what she died from.
And idea of when?
Like in the last 10 to 15 years.
Okay.
She definitely tries to talk to everybody.
Mmm-hmm.
Yeah, she tries to talk.
And then there's a young male,
uh, that she is also, uh...
...communicating with.
And this would be a kid.
And I think they're related.
She's, like, showing up in dreams.
They hear her talking. They hear her crying.
So, he's had an encounter with her.
All right, Lisa, so what's going on in here?
I have a lot of activity down the hallway.
- This hallway here? - Yes.
Okay, so what are we talking about?
I see a doppelganger.
- Of who? - Of my mom.
Okay. So, obviously she was alive when this was happening.
How do you know it wasn't your mom?
She was physically unable to get out of bed at that point.
That must have freaked you out.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
So, what else is going on?
I could be coming down the hallway
and it could feel like somebody is kicking my leg out from underneath me.
All right. So, let's say this is the back of your leg,
how hard were you getting hit?
Um, I would say pretty hard.
- Really? - Yeah.
- That hard? - Yes.
- Did you ever fall from that? - Several times.
Yeah, it was scary.
Okay.
I'm seeing another old woman.
The dead are saying she's a witch.
Something happened here.
She hit somebody.
She full on, like, punched them or slapped them.
She hit someone.
There was a strike.
And it was hard.
It was fast. It was...
But it's like somebody here.
I feel like she's hitting a woman.
All right, so, Lisa, so whose room is this?
This is mine, Mike's, and Mikey sleeps in here with us as well.
All right, so what's going on?
I get scratches.
Okay, and how bad are they?
I mean, what are we talking about?
Well, I have one on my hand that I woke up with this morning.
- That's... That looks like a gouge let alone a scratch. - Yeah.
- Wow. And you just woke up like that? - Yes.
Where else are you getting them?
Um, I also had one on my forehead.
I actually have a picture.
- That's your forehead right there? - Yes.
And that was really deep.
Um, I woke up and it was just there.
Are you the only one getting scratched?
No. Um, Mikey also gets quite a few scratches and bruises.
I actually have a picture.
- This is your son? - I have one for him. Yes.
Do you guys have pets?
We have a cat, but does not come in this room at all.
All right, Lisa. So, what are you hoping we can do for you?
Hopefully,
Amy giving us a solution of what to do and everything.
Hopefully, you know, living a normal, happy life.
Okay. Well, hopefully we'll have some answers for you.
I appreciate it.
The witch likes to come into this room.
They're seeing her.
They actually see her face.
And she's just got these really intense, dark eyes.
Something about smothering.
Okay, so, smothering, smothering,
literally putting their hand over her face.
And just... I mean, she's right the over them.
They've got to feel her breath.
Um...
...she's like right there.
They can't move, can't move.
She's on them trying to kill somebody.
Is it anyone in particular?
I think it's somebody in this room.
Is there anything about them that that's why she's focused on them?
She's just evil and a witch.
So, Mike, I spoke with Lisa earlier.
and, uh, she was telling me about the stuff that's going on here,
and she seems to think that it's pretty dangerous.
- Uh, do you agree with that? - Yes.
It definitely feels that way.
It seems like there's something about this area
that makes people do bad things,
or seems like a bad influence.
What do you mean by that? Why?
Across the street a while back there was a murder-suicide.
Right across the street from the house?
Yeah, right directly across the street.
- Did you know the guy? - Yeah, he was a nice guy.
A good neighbor. No problems with him.
So, Mike, you think that the area has some kind of bad juju
that's causing people to do bad things?
Maybe, yeah, it kind of seems like it 'cause
he just did that out of nowhere.
Okay.
I'm seeing a dead guy wondering around with a gun.
He shoots himself in the left side of the temple.
He starts screaming, "She made me do it."
He's like, "She made me shoot myself in the head!"
Who made him do it?
That witch.
Well, he told me, "I would watch her if I was you."
He's trying to warn everybody that she's here and she is a witch.
And that is also what their relative,
this other old woman is trying to do.
They're both trying to warn the living about this witch
because she's evil.
So, what else have you experienced?
Mikey's toys just going off by themselves.
Are these the type of toys that are plugged in,
- or are they battery-operated? - Battery-operated.
Could it be a dead battery starting to drain, it just happens?
No, I've changed them out and made sure they're fresh
and still the same things happen.
With all that's going on, you can't feel good about
- raising your son here. - No.
Well, man to man, would you like to get the hell outta here?
Yeah. Not gonna be easy, but if we have to, we have to.
This guy who shot himself...
...he, uh, is very physical
and he can, uh, physically effect his environment.
I suddenly start hearing, uh,
like light switches clicking on and off, like that noise.
He says he does stuff all the time, frequently.
He can make noises with things.
I was talking with Lisa and she thinks
that whatever's here is picking on her, and Mikey in particular.
- Do you agree with that? - I do.
- Okay. - He's not a happy kid anymore.
- And he's only four. - Yeah.
You seldom see him smile.
And you believe that's all from what he's going through.
I do.
So, Danny, first off, my condolences on your wife's passing.
- Thank you. - I'm really sorry about that.
I understand you guys were married for a long time.
- Forty... almost 45 years. - Wow. Unbelievable.
Do you think she is here, or do you think she moved on?
I think she moved on.
- Good. - I'm hoping she did anyway
because, um, I don't feel her, you know?
So, Danny, if you can,
can you tell me about some of the experiences you've had?
I seen, uh, a couple of shadow men in the hallway.
Describe the first one for me.
- Um, about 6'3". - Okay
It didn't have any features.
All right. So, what did this second one look like?
Same thing basically, just, uh, dark features, about a head shorter.
- What? Did they do anything? - Nope.
They just stood there. They looked at me.
It did feel somewhat menacing.
Okay.
There's a male.
And, uh, this male's on a boat and he's sick.
And he's thinking, "We are all going to die."
He's running around outside.
So, I'm thinking any living people would see him
and looking like a shadow person,
but he's not.
He really wants help,
so he's telling me he's been seen.
You know, it seems like there's a man here
who's seen him...
...I think the most.
This man, this living man feels older.
Uh, he's got abilities, mmm-hmm.
So, you've seen a lot. Anything else happen?
Well, many a nights I'd go to bed,
and it felt like, uh, a very strong man's hand
grabbed my calf and just squeezed it.
Boy, it was painful.
- Does it feel like fingers and a grip? - Yes.
Some points, it feels like it's throwing me out of bed,
- but... - Okay. I mean, that happens to me a lot,
but it's usually because, um,
my potassium's low, or I'm dehydrated.
Are you sure it's not something like that happening to you?
- No. I've had that happen, plus worse. - Really.
So, anything else physical like that happen to you?
Well, might be, uh, coming out of my bedroom
and coming down through the hallway,
and it feels like somebody just punches me
right in the back.
It almost take me to my knees.
How hard? Show me on the table how hard it hit you?
- Really? - Yep.
You know, I came here because of stuff Mikey's going through and Lisa,
but it sounds like you're going through your own hell.
I don't care about me.
My children and my grandchild,
that's what I worry about.
Mikey is...
- He's the world to me. - Right.
If, uh, something was to happen to him,
and, uh, I didn't do anything,
- get any help for him... - Right.
...I don't know what I'd do.
The dead guy from the boat likes the older living man with abilities.
He's trying to get his attention.
Touching... Touching him. Touching him.
Mmm-hmm.
Talking to him. Mmm-hmm.
Whoa.
Like, he's so heightened that for a living person to be around him,
it literally, like, just,
like your personal energy is like,
like your body doesn't know how to react.
That's odd.
First thing I do when I get to a new location
is reach out to locals who might be able to help my case,
cops, historians, professors.
I just got a call from a local author who I've worked with before.
She says Lisa's property used to be owned by a pair of brothers
who had nothing but bad luck the second they bought that land.
Well, it's good to see you again, Dr. Stark.
So, who exactly are these guys that own my client's property?
Well, we are talking about Leonard and Julius Jack Rosen.
Leonard is the elder brother born in 1915.
And Julius was born in 1919.
All right, so we got two brothers.
What else can you tell me about them?
Well, they grew up in Baltimore, Maryland,
and they were two of four children,
born to Fannie and Abraham Rosen,
who were Jewish immigrants.
- Okay. - Uh, Fannie came from Russia
and Abraham came from the Ukraine.
Okay. So, now, before the brothers make it to Florida,
anything else I should know about these guys or the family?
Well, they do have a bit of a rough road
because around 1940 Abraham dies.
Uh, 1948, their elder sister Edith died of cancer.
Leonard had to support the family
Uh, he and his brother Julius did work together very well,
and they were quite successful in the retail industry.
All right, so how do these guys wind up in Florida?
So, they come down to visit in 1957
and fall in love with what is essentially unincorporated Lee County.
They decided to buy 103 square miles of land.
They ended up naming it Cape Coral.
- That's where I live. - They are the founders.
When did they wind up over here?
So, in 1964, the Rosen brothers come over here to Kissimmee
and they buy up some, basically swamp land
with the idea that they're going to create a development called Poinciana.
It is the land, uh, that your client's house is on.
At the start, you mentioned on the phone
that the minute these guys bought my client's property, things went bad.
- What happened? - In 1969,
Julius Rosen has a massive heart attack and dies at the age of 50.
Leonard then had to deal with the death of his sister Sylvia
one year later.
Now, she was only 48,
and she died of what we believe might have been cancer.
Now, it's hard on Leonard,
so as the surviving sibling,
he now endures some negative health
because in 1971 he had a massive heart attack.
Now, he does survive, but it set him back a bit.
All right. So, we got Leonard here,
- loses two siblings who are younger than him. - Mmm-hmm.
He has a massive heart attack in '71.
He recovers from that, but, I mean, do things get better for him?
Unfortunately, they do not.
In 1975, he has to declare Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
So he loses everything, right?
Quite a bit of money, $68,000,000 that he loses,
- which in today's currency is about $374,000,000. - Ooh.
Ultimately dies in 1987 from natural causes.
It had to be tough for somebody who comes from such humble beginnings
to making a success.
I mean, $68,000,000.
And then to have that slip through your fingers.
I'm surprised he didn't have another heart attack.
Yeah, me too.
I'm seeing a little cemetery, mmm-hmm, mmm-hmm.
Yes, yes, yes.
Definitely people buried.
And then there's four people from this place, you know?
And they're coming. They're coming.
And they're pissed off.
I think they're family.
They had something here. They're mad.
Uh, everything got pushed away.
There's, like, two men, two men.
One's an old, old man.
He definitely owned something here.
Any idea what this was?
I don't feel like it was that long ago with them.
I think they're German.
So, Mike told me there was a murder-suicide
right across the street from him.
I made some calls and it checks out.
I'm on my way to meet a retired cop
to see what led up to this tragic killing.
All right. So, my client talked about this murder-suicide.
What were you able to find out?
This murder-suicide actually happened
about 100 feet from your client's home.
Thirty-four-year old by the name of Jesus Nunez.
Okay, so he's our perp.
Yes.
So what do we know about this guy?
He lived with his girlfriend Stephanie Ruiz
who he'd been dating for 14 years,
and they lived in this house with their four children.
All right, so what went down?
Well, in the early morning hours of June 7, 2021,
after a night of heavy drinking and a lot of drug use...
- Okay. - ...apparently Mr. Nunez flew into a violent rage
and he ended up shooting one of his best friends.
We have any idea why?
I mean, what the hell was going on?
Well, we really don't know why.
but he kicked in the door where his girlfriend was, Stephanie,
and he shot and killed her too.
Sounds like he might've thought something was going on?
There was some speculation,
he was a very jealous and controlling person, yes.
The kids okay at this point?
Or is he going for the kids?
- The kids are fine. - Thank God the kids are okay.
My client said that he eventually killed himself,
do we know how that went down?
Yes, he actually walked outside,
put a gun to his head and killed himself.
Okay, so this all happened right on the property?
Right outside.
This is a quiet neighborhood,
so this had to be big news?
It was very big news.
As a matter of fact I found an article that talks about the situation.
Okay, do we know what kind of drugs they were doing?
Yeah, they were doing cocaine.
Right, so he was whacked out on coke, plus the booze.
According to my client he was a good guy,
so this came out of nowhere.
I'm seeing the guy who shot himself.
He's tall, he's thin.
His body was destroyed.
Uh, not where he wanted.
Uh, that's why he's here.
Uh, there's so many emotions with him, it's painful.
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So far, I have a client
who thinks something evil is going after her,
and her 4-year-old son,
on a property across the street
from where a double murder-suicide took place.
But I wanna see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I found out Lisa's house
was smack down in the middle of a bloody battle
between Native Americans and the Spanish.
So I'm meeting a local Native American historian.
Says he'll explain what led up to all the bloodshed.
In this case it wasn't settlers pushing the tribes out,
but a bitter fight over religion.
Little, thanks for meeting with me,
I appreciate you helping me out.
Uh, let me ask you a question, why'd you wanna meet here?
Well, I wanna meet you here
because the village that I have,
um, is very similar to the way the Jororo native people
would've lived right here in these swamps.
What was their life like?
I mean, how did they function every day?
Well these folks who lived here
were basically your swamp people.
- Okay. - They lived solely upon what the swamp
provided for their everyday survival.
They were able to use these dugout canoes that they made
and be able to go all through these lake systems out here.
So they were able to go from one place to another.
So, Little, I know things didn't go well for the Jororo, what happened?
Well, in the late 1600's,
the Spaniards begin to build missions all over Florida
and some of them right around here.
Okay, so they were trying to bring Catholicism here?
Absolutely.
Was the tribe pissed about this?
Well, not at first.
It was, uh, taken in very well.
As a matter of fact, Jororo Chief Ajapa,
he converted.
He was converted into Catholicism.
All right, so when does the trouble start?
Well in 1696, um, the natives went to the priest
and told him to stop teaching Christianity to the native people.
Okay, so does the priest stop?
No, he didn't, he continued to teach.
And which the Jororo rebels
went to Chief Ajapa and demanded that they kill the priest,
uh, for not listening.
He refused.
- And he refused? - Right.
So with that, he lost his life, they killed him.
All right, so now the chief's dead.
What about this priest? Do they go after him?
Well they did go after the priest.
Um, they went to the mission, uh, they killed the priest.
Uh, they killed two altar boys
that were also Jororo,
and then they burned down the mission.
Can I assume that the Spanish retaliated?
Oh, yeah, they retaliated.
They sent a guide with soldiers after the rebels
and they were killed really quick.
So what happens after that?
Well they did send a second group.
Uh, guides with a bunch of soldiers this time.
But this time, the soldiers got lost in them swamps.
They just kept them wandering around, wandering around.
And as far as we know, they're still wandering.
Okay, so they never made it out of the swamp?
Never made it out of them swamps.
What happened to the Jororo people?
After all that was going on
they just figured that the Spaniards were not gonna give up.
- Okay. - They were gonna keep on sending soldiers
so they took off and headed up north.
That's where they begin to live their lives.
It's kind of a shame because they got driven out of their own land.
- Yeah. - Over religion?
Over religion.
I met eight men.
They were all naked, uh, the were all very, very young.
They were on a ship different than the other guy.
And I heard that they were soldiers.
They came across the seas.
It was an army, uh, and they were kids.
This was a very, very, very long time ago.
So long ago, hardly any people were here.
Yes, yes, yes, definitely people buried.
Hmm, hmm, hmm, definitely people buried.
Hmm, hmm.
I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk
but two stood out.
First, the old woman who recently died in the house.
She was pretty, uh, petit.
Uh, so probably five-feet tall.
I remember at the time thinking she was, like, in her sixties.
She didn't really have eyebrows.
Describe the woman's hair.
It was, like, super, super short.
I remember getting that she died from, I believe, cancer
which might be why she doesn't have eyebrows or eyelashes.
Next, I describe the witch attacking the living person.
I believe I'm laying down on a bed, looking up.
And this woman has her hand
over my mouth.
What was her expression like?
The look in her eyes is, like, "ha, ha, I've got you."
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other.
and our clients for the first time.
So Amy, I want you to meet Lisa
and her father, Danny.
Um, now, two other people live here
and that's Lisa's fiancee, Mike
and their 4-year-old son, Mikey.
Now, Lisa grew up in this house
and it means a lot to her.
But, in the past couple of years,
things have gotten really bad.
So bad, she's convinced that whatever's here,
wants to kill them all.
So, Amy, now that you know a little bit about these guys,
uh, why don't you tell us about your walk?
When I arrived,
I was getting that there was a cemetery,
or a cemetery nearby.
Then these four people come from that direction.
Two of them are men.
I think they're all family.
I believe that they're German.
They seemed fairly recent, like, 1800's.
One of them was a very old man.
He apparently owned something here at one time
and it got pushed or taken away.
He felt it was really disrespectful to him
and to his family.
And he's not a happy camper, he's not happy.
So, Amy, you got a family that own the land around here,
they felt disrespected.
And they feel like things got pushed away.
You could be talking about the original owners of the property.
Um, they were brothers named Leonard and Julius Rosen.
This is Leonard who is the older one
and this is Julius who was his younger brother.
And they were two of four children
born to Jewish immigrants, um, who got here in 1905.
They weren't from Germany but they were from Ukraine and Russia.
The Rosens grew up in Baltimore
and made a fortune in retail.
Now things were good except for the tragic death of a sister
who died of cancer in 1948.
Now in the '50s they took a vacation to Florida
and fell in love with the state.
So they moved here and formed a real estate company
that basically built the city I live in, which is Cape Coral.
Then they bought a ton of land in Kissimmee,
including the spot we're all sitting in now.
That's when things started to go wrong.
Now, the first tragedy happened to Julius, the younger brother.
He died of a heart attack in 1969 at the age of 50.
Now, a year later, the Rosen's younger sister, Sylvia dies of cancer,
she was just 48.
So now we got one Rosen sibling left, Leonard.
He's running the business alone
and then he suffers a heart attack in 1971.
But he survives.
But things go from bad to worse.
In the mid-70s his company had to file bankruptcy
and Leonard lost $68 million as a result.
He died in 1987, probably a bitter guy.
Interesting.
All right, so Amy, what else happened?
So, I saw this guy on a boat
and while he was on the boat
he kept screaming, like, "we're all going to die."
He is often in the back and I really thought
that you guys may see him out there.
I didn't know if you would see him as a shadow person
or as an actual person.
You know, it seems like there's a man here,
who's seen him...
...I think the most.
This man, this living man feels older.
Uh, he's got abilities. Mmm-hmm.
He indicated that he has tried on occasion
to reach out to this male.
Uh, either by talking to him
or trying to touch him.
Danny, do me a favor,
tell Amy about what happened to your calves.
Yeah, when I go to bed at night
it feels like a very strong, large man's hand,
grabs my calves and just squeezes.
Hmm.
And it gets very painful.
Tell her about the two shadow me you told me about.
Down the hallway...
...I saw one shadow guy.
And he was standing at the den door
looking into the den.
About a minute or so later another one came up,
was standing beside him.
Now could this... All these...
...things that are happening, all you've seen,
be the guy from the boat?
I mean, I'm a little concerned that might be him.
What else we got?
There are three dead people who spend time inside your house.
The first one is an older woman.
Uh, I got that she was a relative of the people who live here now.
Her death though was fairly recent.
I would say within the last ten to 15 years.
Got that she died from cancer,
was in her mid to late sixties.
She was telling me she was trying to talk to everybody in the house,
uh, but mostly an older male
and a younger male, a little boy.
And I got that they might be grandfather and grandson.
That sounds like my wife.
Yeah, you okay?
Thank you.
Yeah, that was Lisa's mom.
Died a couple of years ago from cancer.
Mmm, mmm.
- Yeah, her name was Connie. - Connie, yep.
And, uh, she was 65 when she passed.
She was the protector of the family.
And she was best friends with Mikey, my son.
Danny, how long were you guys married?
Uh, about, uh, 45 years.
She was, uh, a very strong-willed woman.
Mmm.
Something interesting we gotta talk about.
While your mom was alive,
Lisa saw her doppelganger.
She would just come walking down the hallway
and then you'd, like, turn around, like,
the devil's head, like, why are you out of bed?
- You know... - Mmm.
...this isn't even possible, and then gone.
I'd never seen anything like that in my life.
Lisa, tell Amy how, basically, the activity skyrocketed
after your mom passed.
We always kind of had some activity here,
but it was almost immediately as soon as she passed,
everything just kind of ramped up.
Violence kind of started happening,
we had started getting hurt.
Um, so I always kind of felt like she was always
trying to kind of protect us.
Like, she was always trying to take, like, the brunt of it for us.
So, Amy, I've got a photo of Connie.
Uh, is it possible this is who you wound up seeing?
I had a sketch done of the person that I saw.
It looks just like her.
You think?
Yeah, what, are you kidding me?
You guys tells me?
Yeah, when she died.
You think that it's Mom?
I do.
And how do you feel about that?
I'm not happy about that.
'Cause I was hoping she would move on
and be happy with her family.
And you said there were three dead people in the house though?
- Mmm. - Yeah, who's next?
There's a dead male.
He likes to mess with electronics.
Mike was telling me that little Mikey's toys
just go on, out of nowhere.
It's a little freaky.
He told me that he shot himself in the head,
he's very upset about his body.
Whatever was done with him after he died
is not what he wanted done.
Now, as far as who this guy might be...
Sounds a lot like these guys' former neighbor,
his name was Jesus Nunez.
Now, he was 34 and lived in the house
right across the street from here.
He lived with his girlfriend of 14 years, Stephanie Ruiz, and her four children.
On June 7, 2021, after a night of partying, Nunez snapped.
First he shot and killed his best friend.
Then he knocked down the door and killed his girlfriend.
What?
He then walked out to the front door,
pointed a gun to his head and blew his brains out.
What?
I got an article here about this.
So, do you think they were having an affair or something?
- Uh, it kind of leans that way, yeah. - Mmm-hmm.
I spoke to Mike, Lisa's fiancee
- and he says... - Geez.
...Jesus was a stand-up guy.
He never saw it coming.
I thought he was a pretty decent guy myself.
That guy who shot himself in the head
and this female, your mom,
are trying to warn you guys, about this third person.
It's an older woman.
They've nicknamed her the witch.
The guy who killed himself
he says that she made...
...that whole situation happen.
- Oh, she influenced it. - Yes.
Wow.
Now, you said they've been trying to warn them...
- Mmm. - ...of this woman, the witch.
- Mmm. - Why?
- Mmm. - What was she doing?
'Cause she's out of control.
Uh, so she's dangerous, she's physical.
Now, I did see her hitting a woman in the face.
There was a strike and it was hard.
Just...
Then I saw her down the hall to the left.
- And... - That's where Lisa and Mike sleep
with little Mikey.
Mmm. So she's honed in on somebody in there.
And I saw her trying to smother that person.
I felt like they could feel her breath on their face.
I did have a sketch done of her
and it's from that perspective,
'cause I was in the person's body
looking up at her.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Oh.
Wow.
Scary eyes.
She got some big hands, too.
I've had so many things happen to me, uh, back there.
I actually have a scar,
Um, I'd woken up, almost identical spots,
right here, and it's already almost scabbed over by the time I wake up.
So, Amy, Lisa's not the only one getting scratched in the house.
Um, this is s photo of little Mikey.
And the scratches he's been getting.
I mean, could that have been this witch.
Yes.
You mention that this witch has her eyes set on someone.
You know, I'd lean more towards...
...you.
But it wouldn't surprise me, your son either.
What does she want to do to that person?
Oh, she'll just kill.
He's the light of my life.
I wouldn't want anything to happen to him.
If someone was to hurt him...
...they would have hell to pay.
I'd shoot myself just to go get him.
Lisa, you thought there was a demon in the house?
Good news is, there isn't.
Yeah.
- The bad news is, this witch may as well be, right? - Yeah.
So now it's time to answer your big question.
Is there anything you can do to kick this old bag out of the house
and go back to living a peaceful life?
Or are you just gonna have to pack up and leave?
For that answer I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
What I would like to do is have a...
...female, older medium, uh, who's very strong minded
come in and make contact with her.
She's gonna show her how she can move on and get out of here
Once she leaves, your mom, your wife,
and the dude with the...
- Gunshot. - Gunshot wound.
They'll go.
Because the only reason they're both staying here
is because of her.
The second thing that needs to be done is, to move on,
the guy outside.
So this medium will then go out
and help him to move on as well.
Okay?
So then everybody's gone.
Do you think...
'Cause my son is always trying to pick up on things
and seeing things.
Do you think he has abilities?
Yeah.
You know, he's only four.
So, you know, more than likely
- he'll grow out of it now. - Right.
Because this is all going to be resolved.
So we want him just to heal up
and, you know, move on.
This is the most chipper I've seen you...
...in the last few days.
- It's good news. - Yeah.
Could've been worse, could've been what you thought.
It could've been much worse.
Isn't that great news?
Yeah, it's a weight off your shoulders.
I feel lighter, already I feel lighter.
You have no idea how much we appreciate you folks.
Real happy that this is good news for you.
It is very good news. Thank you so much.
I really hope Lisa and her father, Danny, contact a medium
to remove the witch and the other dead trapped inside their home.
Once they do that,
things with Mikey should improve dramatically
and this family will find the peace and happiness they deserve.
We're still looking for a female medium
to come in and clear the house.
Um, the activity is still... Still here.
We're trying to stay positive.
And I just know as soon as we find the right female medium,
everything's gonna feel lighter and lifted
and just so much better.
Thank you Steve and Amy for coming out.