1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,733 [Amy Allan] His body was destroyed. 2 00:00:12,733 --> 00:00:17,900 He's like, "She made me shoot myself in the head!" 3 00:00:18,567 --> 00:00:19,567 I think it's a demon. 4 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:23,800 There was a strike, and it was hard. 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,433 Show me on the table how hard it hit you. 6 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:32,767 He lost his life. They killed him. 7 00:00:32,767 --> 00:00:36,267 He kept screaming like "We're all going to die." 8 00:00:36,267 --> 00:00:37,833 Someone was to hurt him, 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,067 they would have hell to pay. 10 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:44,333 [Amy] She's just evil and a witch. 11 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,500 [Amy] Oh, boy. 12 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:07,633 This is not a good situation. 13 00:01:07,633 --> 00:01:11,667 The dominant emotion that's going on with the living is anger. 14 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:13,700 Severe anger. 15 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:22,167 There's too many emotions. 16 00:01:23,067 --> 00:01:24,733 I feel like I'm gonna vomit. 17 00:01:27,167 --> 00:01:28,833 Oh, God, I do. 18 00:01:30,533 --> 00:01:32,600 What the [bleep] is happening? 19 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:34,233 [exhales deeply] 20 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,367 [Steve DiSchiavi] I'm here in Kissimmee, Florida. 21 00:01:41,367 --> 00:01:43,567 It's a city about 20 miles south of Orlando 22 00:01:43,567 --> 00:01:46,067 and real close to where that mouse lives. 23 00:01:46,067 --> 00:01:48,300 I got a desperate call from a woman named Lisa. 24 00:01:48,967 --> 00:01:50,467 Her mom died about a year ago, 25 00:01:50,467 --> 00:01:52,967 and that's when all hell broke loose. 26 00:01:53,067 --> 00:01:56,267 She says whatever's there is now going after her and her son. 27 00:01:56,267 --> 00:01:58,400 I really don't like when these things mess with kids, 28 00:01:59,133 --> 00:02:00,733 so I hope Amy and I can help. 29 00:02:03,833 --> 00:02:05,300 So, Lisa, when we spoke on the phone, 30 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,233 we talked about living in Florida. 31 00:02:07,233 --> 00:02:09,533 I mean, you got the pool, beautiful home. 32 00:02:09,533 --> 00:02:12,500 To me, I live here as well. It's like paradise in my opinion. 33 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:16,067 But when we spoke, [chuckles] it didn't sound like it was paradise to you. 34 00:02:16,067 --> 00:02:18,200 No, not anymore. 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,300 It's horrible. Something's here. 36 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:21,567 It doesn't want us here. 37 00:02:22,267 --> 00:02:24,067 It wants us gone or hurt. 38 00:02:24,067 --> 00:02:25,100 When you say gone, what do you mean? 39 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:27,500 Like gone away, or gone like in dead? 40 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:30,133 Like in dead, like I think it wants to kill us. 41 00:02:30,767 --> 00:02:32,433 Okay. 42 00:02:32,433 --> 00:02:34,133 So, Lisa, do me a favor and let's start with the basics. 43 00:02:34,133 --> 00:02:35,567 Who lives in the house? 44 00:02:37,867 --> 00:02:41,100 You have my father Danny, myself, 45 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:42,867 my four-year-old son Mikey, 46 00:02:42,867 --> 00:02:44,300 and my fiance Michael. 47 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:45,767 [Steve] Okay. 48 00:02:45,767 --> 00:02:47,267 Do me a favor and give me a list 49 00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:49,200 of what you guys are experiencing? 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,500 [Lisa] We all see shadow figures, doppelgangers. 51 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:54,333 We all have health issues, 52 00:02:54,333 --> 00:02:56,933 and we all get physically attacked. 53 00:02:56,933 --> 00:03:00,067 So, Lisa, one of the reasons I took this case is obvious. 54 00:03:00,067 --> 00:03:02,733 You have a child involved here. He's four years old. 55 00:03:02,733 --> 00:03:05,133 Can you describe to me what he's experiencing? 56 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:07,133 Um, he gets pushed. 57 00:03:07,133 --> 00:03:10,433 He has nightmares so bad that he doesn't wanna go to sleep. 58 00:03:10,433 --> 00:03:12,100 And he sees people. 59 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:13,800 Where's he seeing people? 60 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,333 He sees people out beyond the fenceline. 61 00:03:16,333 --> 00:03:18,300 Okay. Is there a house back there, or is that... 62 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:21,200 - What is that? - [Lisa] No, it's a cypress swamp. 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,067 - [Steve] So, you have nobody living back there. - [Lisa] No. 64 00:03:23,067 --> 00:03:24,067 [Steve] And he's seeing people? 65 00:03:24,067 --> 00:03:25,600 [Lisa] He sees people back there. 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,900 So, Lisa, how long have you been in this house? 67 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:30,967 Uh, we moved here when I was 12. 68 00:03:31,067 --> 00:03:33,200 [Steve] So, why are you calling us now? 69 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,600 [Lisa] It was always kinda light 70 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,067 until my mom passed away a couple of years ago. 71 00:03:38,067 --> 00:03:41,400 And then it just exploded. It just ramped up. 72 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,733 So, if you don't mind me asking, 73 00:03:42,733 --> 00:03:44,333 how'd she pass? What was wrong? 74 00:03:44,333 --> 00:03:45,400 Breast cancer. 75 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,733 How old was mom when she passed? Do you recall? 76 00:03:47,733 --> 00:03:49,633 She was 65. 77 00:03:49,633 --> 00:03:50,767 What was your mom like? 78 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:52,300 Um... 79 00:03:53,067 --> 00:03:54,367 - This her? - [Lisa] Yes. 80 00:03:54,367 --> 00:03:55,833 My mom was... 81 00:03:56,867 --> 00:04:00,100 ...wonderful. She was the life of the party. 82 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:02,533 She always was the protector of everyone. 83 00:04:03,433 --> 00:04:05,467 Do you think your mom is here? 84 00:04:06,067 --> 00:04:08,167 Um, I don't think so. 85 00:04:08,167 --> 00:04:09,300 I hope not. 86 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:12,733 Um, but I think she's, she's moved on. 87 00:04:12,733 --> 00:04:14,800 [Steve] So, what do you think is here? 88 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,700 I think it's a demon. 89 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:20,333 And I think that whatever's here 90 00:04:20,333 --> 00:04:22,800 wants to either badly hurt us, 91 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,867 or to kill us. 92 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:33,300 Now, there's this woman... 93 00:04:34,433 --> 00:04:37,600 ...who is somehow related to the living. 94 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:44,433 I think she's in her 60s. 95 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,833 I think she had cancer. 96 00:04:46,833 --> 00:04:48,800 I think that's what she died from. 97 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,867 And idea of when? 98 00:04:50,667 --> 00:04:53,700 Like in the last 10 to 15 years. 99 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:54,800 Okay. 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,733 She definitely tries to talk to everybody. 101 00:04:56,733 --> 00:04:58,067 Mmm-hmm. 102 00:04:58,067 --> 00:04:59,200 Yeah, she tries to talk. 103 00:05:00,367 --> 00:05:01,867 And then there's a young male, 104 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,333 uh, that she is also, uh... 105 00:05:06,567 --> 00:05:07,600 ...communicating with. 106 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,633 And this would be a kid. 107 00:05:09,633 --> 00:05:11,167 And I think they're related. 108 00:05:11,167 --> 00:05:13,300 She's, like, showing up in dreams. 109 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:15,567 They hear her talking. They hear her crying. 110 00:05:16,367 --> 00:05:18,333 So, he's had an encounter with her. 111 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,400 [Steve] All right, Lisa, so what's going on in here? 112 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,667 I have a lot of activity down the hallway. 113 00:05:29,667 --> 00:05:30,833 - This hallway here? - [Lisa] Yes. 114 00:05:30,833 --> 00:05:32,567 [Steve] Okay, so what are we talking about? 115 00:05:32,567 --> 00:05:34,133 I see a doppelganger. 116 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,967 - Of who? - Of my mom. 117 00:05:37,067 --> 00:05:39,500 Okay. So, obviously she was alive when this was happening. 118 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:41,333 How do you know it wasn't your mom? 119 00:05:41,333 --> 00:05:45,100 She was physically unable to get out of bed at that point. 120 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:46,433 That must have freaked you out. 121 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:47,567 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 122 00:05:48,133 --> 00:05:49,500 Okay. 123 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:50,833 So, what else is going on? 124 00:05:50,833 --> 00:05:52,600 I could be coming down the hallway 125 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,567 and it could feel like somebody is kicking my leg out from underneath me. 126 00:05:57,567 --> 00:05:59,767 All right. So, let's say this is the back of your leg, 127 00:05:59,767 --> 00:06:00,833 how hard were you getting hit? 128 00:06:00,833 --> 00:06:02,367 Um, I would say pretty hard. 129 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:04,433 - Really? - Yeah. 130 00:06:04,433 --> 00:06:05,467 - That hard? - [Lisa] Yes. 131 00:06:05,467 --> 00:06:07,300 - Did you ever fall from that? - Several times. 132 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:09,467 Yeah, it was scary. 133 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Okay. 134 00:06:14,067 --> 00:06:15,867 [Amy] I'm seeing another old woman. 135 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:18,833 The dead are saying she's a witch. 136 00:06:20,533 --> 00:06:23,767 Something happened here. 137 00:06:24,833 --> 00:06:27,100 She hit somebody. 138 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:29,967 She full on, like, punched them or slapped them. 139 00:06:30,667 --> 00:06:32,900 She hit someone. 140 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:37,667 There was a strike. 141 00:06:37,667 --> 00:06:38,967 And it was hard. 142 00:06:39,567 --> 00:06:41,067 It was fast. It was... 143 00:06:42,067 --> 00:06:44,333 But it's like somebody here. 144 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:46,067 I feel like she's hitting a woman. 145 00:06:54,433 --> 00:06:56,667 [Steve] All right, so, Lisa, so whose room is this? 146 00:06:56,667 --> 00:07:00,300 This is mine, Mike's, and Mikey sleeps in here with us as well. 147 00:07:01,067 --> 00:07:02,467 All right, so what's going on? 148 00:07:02,467 --> 00:07:03,667 I get scratches. 149 00:07:04,733 --> 00:07:06,567 Okay, and how bad are they? 150 00:07:06,567 --> 00:07:07,933 I mean, what are we talking about? 151 00:07:07,933 --> 00:07:11,933 Well, I have one on my hand that I woke up with this morning. 152 00:07:11,933 --> 00:07:15,933 - That's... That looks like a gouge let alone a scratch. - [Lisa] Yeah. 153 00:07:15,933 --> 00:07:18,067 - [Steve] Wow. And you just woke up like that? - [Lisa] Yes. 154 00:07:19,533 --> 00:07:20,600 Where else are you getting them? 155 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,100 Um, I also had one on my forehead. 156 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:25,400 I actually have a picture. 157 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:26,900 - That's your forehead right there? - [Lisa] Yes. 158 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:28,533 And that was really deep. 159 00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:30,900 Um, I woke up and it was just there. 160 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:32,400 Are you the only one getting scratched? 161 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,867 No. Um, Mikey also gets quite a few scratches and bruises. 162 00:07:36,867 --> 00:07:38,367 I actually have a picture. 163 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:40,067 - This is your son? - I have one for him. Yes. 164 00:07:40,933 --> 00:07:42,567 Do you guys have pets? 165 00:07:42,567 --> 00:07:46,400 We have a cat, but does not come in this room at all. 166 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,667 All right, Lisa. So, what are you hoping we can do for you? 167 00:07:48,667 --> 00:07:51,067 Hopefully, 168 00:07:51,067 --> 00:07:53,967 Amy giving us a solution of what to do and everything. 169 00:07:54,067 --> 00:07:58,600 Hopefully, you know, living a normal, happy life. 170 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,833 Okay. Well, hopefully we'll have some answers for you. 171 00:08:00,833 --> 00:08:01,967 I appreciate it. 172 00:08:07,367 --> 00:08:09,433 [Amy] The witch likes to come into this room. 173 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:11,633 [exhales] 174 00:08:13,067 --> 00:08:14,067 They're seeing her. 175 00:08:14,967 --> 00:08:16,400 They actually see her face. 176 00:08:17,467 --> 00:08:21,933 And she's just got these really intense, dark eyes. 177 00:08:21,933 --> 00:08:24,067 Something about smothering. 178 00:08:25,167 --> 00:08:27,233 Okay, so, smothering, smothering, 179 00:08:27,233 --> 00:08:31,200 literally putting their hand over her face. 180 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,933 And just... I mean, she's right the [bleep] over them. 181 00:08:36,967 --> 00:08:38,567 They've got to feel her breath. 182 00:08:38,567 --> 00:08:39,600 Um... 183 00:08:40,667 --> 00:08:42,200 ...she's like right there. 184 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,067 They can't move, can't move. 185 00:08:44,067 --> 00:08:45,600 She's on them trying to kill somebody. 186 00:08:46,533 --> 00:08:48,633 Is it anyone in particular? 187 00:08:48,633 --> 00:08:50,200 I think it's somebody in this room. 188 00:08:52,133 --> 00:08:55,467 Is there anything about them that that's why she's focused on them? 189 00:08:55,467 --> 00:08:57,500 She's just evil and a witch. 190 00:09:18,367 --> 00:09:20,433 [Steve] So, Mike, I spoke with Lisa earlier. 191 00:09:20,433 --> 00:09:23,233 and, uh, she was telling me about the stuff that's going on here, 192 00:09:23,233 --> 00:09:26,133 and she seems to think that it's pretty dangerous. 193 00:09:26,133 --> 00:09:27,733 - Uh, do you agree with that? - Yes. 194 00:09:27,733 --> 00:09:31,067 It definitely feels that way. 195 00:09:31,067 --> 00:09:32,933 It seems like there's something about this area 196 00:09:32,933 --> 00:09:34,633 that makes people do bad things, 197 00:09:34,633 --> 00:09:36,833 or seems like a bad influence. 198 00:09:37,633 --> 00:09:39,767 What do you mean by that? Why? 199 00:09:39,767 --> 00:09:44,200 Across the street a while back there was a murder-suicide. 200 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,233 Right across the street from the house? 201 00:09:45,233 --> 00:09:47,167 Yeah, right directly across the street. 202 00:09:47,167 --> 00:09:49,133 - Did you know the guy? - [Mike] Yeah, he was a nice guy. 203 00:09:49,133 --> 00:09:51,300 A good neighbor. No problems with him. 204 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:54,700 So, Mike, you think that the area has some kind of bad juju 205 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:56,367 that's causing people to do bad things? 206 00:09:56,367 --> 00:09:58,800 Maybe, yeah, it kind of seems like it 'cause 207 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,133 he just did that out of nowhere. 208 00:10:00,667 --> 00:10:01,667 Okay. 209 00:10:05,167 --> 00:10:08,667 [Amy] I'm seeing a dead guy wondering around with a gun. 210 00:10:08,667 --> 00:10:11,600 He shoots himself in the left side of the temple. 211 00:10:14,867 --> 00:10:17,767 He starts screaming, "She made me do it." 212 00:10:17,767 --> 00:10:22,333 He's like, "She made me shoot myself in the head!" 213 00:10:25,767 --> 00:10:27,100 [Matt] Who made him do it? 214 00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:29,800 [Amy] That witch. 215 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,233 Well, he told me, "I would watch her if I was you." 216 00:10:33,233 --> 00:10:38,600 He's trying to warn everybody that she's here and she is a witch. 217 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,900 And that is also what their relative, 218 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:46,567 this other old woman is trying to do. 219 00:10:46,567 --> 00:10:48,967 They're both trying to warn the living about this witch 220 00:10:48,967 --> 00:10:50,433 because she's evil. 221 00:10:54,633 --> 00:10:56,733 [Steve] So, what else have you experienced? 222 00:10:56,733 --> 00:10:59,167 Mikey's toys just going off by themselves. 223 00:10:59,167 --> 00:11:00,800 [Steve] Are these the type of toys that are plugged in, 224 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,167 - or are they battery-operated? - Battery-operated. 225 00:11:03,167 --> 00:11:05,533 Could it be a dead battery starting to drain, it just happens? 226 00:11:05,533 --> 00:11:08,200 No, I've changed them out and made sure they're fresh 227 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,833 and still the same things happen. 228 00:11:10,833 --> 00:11:12,533 With all that's going on, you can't feel good about 229 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:14,267 - raising your son here. - No. 230 00:11:14,267 --> 00:11:16,100 Well, man to man, would you like to get the hell outta here? 231 00:11:16,100 --> 00:11:18,967 Yeah. Not gonna be easy, but if we have to, we have to. 232 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,900 [Amy] This guy who shot himself... 233 00:11:24,933 --> 00:11:26,900 ...he, uh, is very physical 234 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:29,633 and he can, uh, physically effect his environment. 235 00:11:31,567 --> 00:11:33,600 I suddenly start hearing, uh, 236 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,767 like light switches clicking on and off, like that noise. 237 00:11:37,767 --> 00:11:41,467 He says he does stuff all the time, frequently. 238 00:11:41,467 --> 00:11:44,967 He can make noises with things. 239 00:11:53,667 --> 00:11:55,067 [Steve] I was talking with Lisa and she thinks 240 00:11:55,067 --> 00:11:58,067 that whatever's here is picking on her, and Mikey in particular. 241 00:11:58,067 --> 00:11:59,867 - Do you agree with that? - I do. 242 00:11:59,867 --> 00:12:02,700 - Okay. - He's not a happy kid anymore. 243 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:04,767 - And he's only four. - [Danny] Yeah. 244 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:07,633 You seldom see him smile. 245 00:12:07,633 --> 00:12:09,600 [Steve] And you believe that's all from what he's going through. 246 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,267 I do. 247 00:12:11,267 --> 00:12:14,367 So, Danny, first off, my condolences on your wife's passing. 248 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:15,867 - Thank you. - [Steve] I'm really sorry about that. 249 00:12:15,867 --> 00:12:17,833 I understand you guys were married for a long time. 250 00:12:17,833 --> 00:12:21,733 - Forty... almost 45 years. - [Steve] Wow. Unbelievable. 251 00:12:21,733 --> 00:12:24,433 Do you think she is here, or do you think she moved on? 252 00:12:25,233 --> 00:12:26,500 I think she moved on. 253 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:28,333 - Good. - I'm hoping she did anyway 254 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:31,533 because, um, I don't feel her, you know? 255 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:33,700 So, Danny, if you can, 256 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:36,233 can you tell me about some of the experiences you've had? 257 00:12:36,233 --> 00:12:40,500 I seen, uh, a couple of shadow men in the hallway. 258 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:42,433 Describe the first one for me. 259 00:12:42,433 --> 00:12:45,467 - Um, about 6'3". - Okay 260 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:46,867 It didn't have any features. 261 00:12:46,867 --> 00:12:48,667 All right. So, what did this second one look like? 262 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:52,367 Same thing basically, just, uh, dark features, about a head shorter. 263 00:12:52,367 --> 00:12:54,067 - What? Did they do anything? - [Danny] Nope. 264 00:12:54,067 --> 00:12:56,167 They just stood there. They looked at me. 265 00:12:57,067 --> 00:12:59,067 It did feel somewhat menacing. 266 00:12:59,533 --> 00:13:00,600 Okay. 267 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,733 [Amy] There's a male. 268 00:13:05,733 --> 00:13:09,067 And, uh, this male's on a boat and he's sick. 269 00:13:09,067 --> 00:13:11,833 And he's thinking, "We are all going to die." 270 00:13:12,733 --> 00:13:15,167 He's running around outside. 271 00:13:15,167 --> 00:13:18,833 So, I'm thinking any living people would see him 272 00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:20,667 and looking like a shadow person, 273 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:21,833 but he's not. 274 00:13:22,867 --> 00:13:24,667 He really wants help, 275 00:13:24,667 --> 00:13:26,900 so he's telling me he's been seen. 276 00:13:28,067 --> 00:13:31,300 You know, it seems like there's a man here 277 00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:33,600 who's seen him... 278 00:13:35,167 --> 00:13:37,267 ...I think the most. 279 00:13:37,267 --> 00:13:40,800 This man, this living man feels older. 280 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,700 Uh, he's got abilities, mmm-hmm. 281 00:13:47,667 --> 00:13:50,067 [Steve] So, you've seen a lot. Anything else happen? 282 00:13:50,067 --> 00:13:52,433 Well, many a nights I'd go to bed, 283 00:13:52,433 --> 00:13:56,067 and it felt like, uh, a very strong man's hand 284 00:13:56,067 --> 00:13:58,500 grabbed my calf and just squeezed it. 285 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:00,300 Boy, it was painful. 286 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:03,267 - Does it feel like fingers and a grip? - [Danny] Yes. 287 00:14:03,267 --> 00:14:06,067 Some points, it feels like it's throwing me out of bed, 288 00:14:06,067 --> 00:14:08,067 - but... - Okay. I mean, that happens to me a lot, 289 00:14:08,067 --> 00:14:09,500 but it's usually because, um, 290 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:12,067 my potassium's low, or I'm dehydrated. 291 00:14:12,067 --> 00:14:13,600 Are you sure it's not something like that happening to you? 292 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,567 - No. I've had that happen, plus worse. - Really. 293 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:21,433 So, anything else physical like that happen to you? 294 00:14:21,433 --> 00:14:24,067 Well, might be, uh, coming out of my bedroom 295 00:14:24,067 --> 00:14:25,967 and coming down through the hallway, 296 00:14:26,067 --> 00:14:28,833 and it feels like somebody just punches me 297 00:14:29,367 --> 00:14:30,767 right in the back. 298 00:14:30,767 --> 00:14:32,700 It almost take me to my knees. 299 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:35,067 How hard? Show me on the table how hard it hit you? 300 00:14:37,633 --> 00:14:38,900 - Really? - Yep. 301 00:14:41,467 --> 00:14:45,067 You know, I came here because of stuff Mikey's going through and Lisa, 302 00:14:45,067 --> 00:14:48,667 but it sounds like you're going through your own hell. 303 00:14:48,667 --> 00:14:50,267 I don't care about me. 304 00:14:50,267 --> 00:14:52,433 My children and my grandchild, 305 00:14:53,167 --> 00:14:54,567 that's what I worry about. 306 00:14:55,467 --> 00:14:56,467 Mikey is... 307 00:14:57,733 --> 00:15:00,100 - He's the world to me. - [Steve] Right. 308 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:02,733 If, uh, something was to happen to him, 309 00:15:02,733 --> 00:15:04,833 and, uh, I didn't do anything, 310 00:15:04,833 --> 00:15:06,133 - get any help for him... - [Steve] Right. 311 00:15:07,433 --> 00:15:08,433 ...I don't know what I'd do. 312 00:15:11,767 --> 00:15:16,700 The dead guy from the boat likes the older living man with abilities. 313 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,067 He's trying to get his attention. 314 00:15:20,667 --> 00:15:23,367 Touching... Touching him. Touching him. 315 00:15:23,367 --> 00:15:24,500 Mmm-hmm. 316 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:26,767 Talking to him. Mmm-hmm. 317 00:15:30,667 --> 00:15:32,167 Whoa. 318 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:39,367 Like, he's so heightened that for a living person to be around him, 319 00:15:39,367 --> 00:15:41,867 it literally, like, just, 320 00:15:41,867 --> 00:15:45,567 like your personal energy is like, [exhales] 321 00:15:45,567 --> 00:15:47,333 like your body doesn't know how to react. 322 00:15:48,533 --> 00:15:49,767 That's odd. 323 00:15:56,433 --> 00:15:58,600 [Steve] First thing I do when I get to a new location 324 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,733 is reach out to locals who might be able to help my case, 325 00:16:01,733 --> 00:16:04,067 cops, historians, professors. 326 00:16:04,067 --> 00:16:06,900 I just got a call from a local author who I've worked with before. 327 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:10,400 She says Lisa's property used to be owned by a pair of brothers 328 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,600 who had nothing but bad luck the second they bought that land. 329 00:16:18,667 --> 00:16:20,733 Well, it's good to see you again, Dr. Stark. 330 00:16:20,733 --> 00:16:23,633 So, who exactly are these guys that own my client's property? 331 00:16:23,633 --> 00:16:29,100 Well, we are talking about Leonard and Julius Jack Rosen. 332 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:32,133 Leonard is the elder brother born in 1915. 333 00:16:32,133 --> 00:16:34,267 And Julius was born in 1919. 334 00:16:34,267 --> 00:16:35,500 All right, so we got two brothers. 335 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:36,633 What else can you tell me about them? 336 00:16:36,633 --> 00:16:38,833 Well, they grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, 337 00:16:38,833 --> 00:16:41,467 and they were two of four children, 338 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:44,167 born to Fannie and Abraham Rosen, 339 00:16:44,167 --> 00:16:45,600 who were Jewish immigrants. 340 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,600 - Okay. - [Brandy] Uh, Fannie came from Russia 341 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,467 and Abraham came from the Ukraine. 342 00:16:49,467 --> 00:16:52,067 Okay. So, now, before the brothers make it to Florida, 343 00:16:52,067 --> 00:16:54,067 anything else I should know about these guys or the family? 344 00:16:54,067 --> 00:16:55,967 Well, they do have a bit of a rough road 345 00:16:56,067 --> 00:16:58,900 because around 1940 Abraham dies. 346 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:03,200 Uh, 1948, their elder sister Edith died of cancer. 347 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,533 Leonard had to support the family 348 00:17:05,533 --> 00:17:08,967 Uh, he and his brother Julius did work together very well, 349 00:17:09,067 --> 00:17:11,667 and they were quite successful in the retail industry. 350 00:17:11,667 --> 00:17:13,800 All right, so how do these guys wind up in Florida? 351 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,300 So, they come down to visit in 1957 352 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:19,867 and fall in love with what is essentially unincorporated Lee County. 353 00:17:19,867 --> 00:17:23,233 They decided to buy 103 square miles of land. 354 00:17:23,233 --> 00:17:26,500 - They ended up naming it Cape Coral. - [chuckles] 355 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:28,633 - That's where I live. - [Brandy] They are the founders. 356 00:17:28,633 --> 00:17:30,633 [Steve] When did they wind up over here? 357 00:17:30,633 --> 00:17:33,900 So, in 1964, the Rosen brothers come over here to Kissimmee 358 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:36,700 and they buy up some, basically swamp land 359 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:40,267 with the idea that they're going to create a development called Poinciana. 360 00:17:40,267 --> 00:17:43,200 It is the land, uh, that your client's house is on. 361 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,667 At the start, you mentioned on the phone 362 00:17:44,667 --> 00:17:47,767 that the minute these guys bought my client's property, things went bad. 363 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:50,567 - What happened? - In 1969, 364 00:17:50,567 --> 00:17:56,300 Julius Rosen has a massive heart attack and dies at the age of 50. 365 00:17:56,300 --> 00:18:00,067 Leonard then had to deal with the death of his sister Sylvia 366 00:18:00,067 --> 00:18:01,367 one year later. 367 00:18:01,367 --> 00:18:02,633 Now, she was only 48, 368 00:18:02,633 --> 00:18:06,167 and she died of what we believe might have been cancer. 369 00:18:06,167 --> 00:18:08,067 Now, it's hard on Leonard, 370 00:18:08,067 --> 00:18:09,500 so as the surviving sibling, 371 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,600 he now endures some negative health 372 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,733 because in 1971 he had a massive heart attack. 373 00:18:14,733 --> 00:18:17,567 Now, he does survive, but it set him back a bit. 374 00:18:17,567 --> 00:18:19,233 All right. So, we got Leonard here, 375 00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:21,433 - loses two siblings who are younger than him. - Mmm-hmm. 376 00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:23,633 [Steve] He has a massive heart attack in '71. 377 00:18:23,633 --> 00:18:26,233 He recovers from that, but, I mean, do things get better for him? 378 00:18:26,233 --> 00:18:28,367 Unfortunately, they do not. 379 00:18:28,367 --> 00:18:32,100 In 1975, he has to declare Chapter 11 bankruptcy. 380 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:34,067 So he loses everything, right? 381 00:18:34,067 --> 00:18:37,467 Quite a bit of money, $68,000,000 that he loses, 382 00:18:37,467 --> 00:18:41,867 - which in today's currency is about $374,000,000. - Ooh. 383 00:18:41,867 --> 00:18:45,367 Ultimately dies in 1987 from natural causes. 384 00:18:45,367 --> 00:18:48,633 It had to be tough for somebody who comes from such humble beginnings 385 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:50,667 to making a success. 386 00:18:51,633 --> 00:18:53,067 I mean, $68,000,000. 387 00:18:53,067 --> 00:18:54,600 And then to have that slip through your fingers. 388 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,233 I'm surprised he didn't have another heart attack. 389 00:18:56,233 --> 00:18:57,267 Yeah, me too. 390 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,833 I'm seeing a little cemetery, mmm-hmm, mmm-hmm. 391 00:19:05,933 --> 00:19:07,067 Yes, yes, yes. 392 00:19:07,067 --> 00:19:08,733 Definitely people buried. 393 00:19:08,733 --> 00:19:13,067 And then there's four people from this place, you know? 394 00:19:13,067 --> 00:19:14,867 And they're coming. They're coming. 395 00:19:16,067 --> 00:19:17,233 And they're pissed off. 396 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,067 I think they're family. 397 00:19:21,067 --> 00:19:23,400 They had something here. They're mad. 398 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,600 Uh, everything got pushed away. 399 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,567 There's, like, two men, two men. 400 00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:29,767 One's an old, old man. 401 00:19:29,767 --> 00:19:31,633 He definitely owned something here. 402 00:19:31,633 --> 00:19:33,067 Any idea what this was? 403 00:19:34,567 --> 00:19:38,167 I don't feel like it was that long ago with them. 404 00:19:39,167 --> 00:19:40,433 I think they're German. 405 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,900 [Steve] So, Mike told me there was a murder-suicide 406 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:46,400 right across the street from him. 407 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,533 I made some calls and it checks out. 408 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:51,200 I'm on my way to meet a retired cop 409 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,900 to see what led up to this tragic killing. 410 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:01,400 All right. So, my client talked about this murder-suicide. 411 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,533 What were you able to find out? 412 00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:04,467 This murder-suicide actually happened 413 00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:06,700 about 100 feet from your client's home. 414 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,333 Thirty-four-year old by the name of Jesus Nunez. 415 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:10,533 Okay, so he's our perp. 416 00:20:10,533 --> 00:20:11,733 Yes. 417 00:20:11,733 --> 00:20:13,033 So what do we know about this guy? 418 00:20:13,033 --> 00:20:15,167 He lived with his girlfriend Stephanie Ruiz 419 00:20:15,167 --> 00:20:16,967 who he'd been dating for 14 years, 420 00:20:16,967 --> 00:20:19,667 and they lived in this house with their four children. 421 00:20:19,667 --> 00:20:21,033 All right, so what went down? 422 00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:25,000 Well, in the early morning hours of June 7, 2021, 423 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,033 after a night of heavy drinking and a lot of drug use... 424 00:20:28,033 --> 00:20:32,100 - Okay. - ...apparently Mr. Nunez flew into a violent rage 425 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,600 and he ended up shooting one of his best friends. 426 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,900 We have any idea why? 427 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:38,200 I mean, what the hell was going on? 428 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,733 Well, we really don't know why. 429 00:20:39,733 --> 00:20:42,467 but he kicked in the door where his girlfriend was, Stephanie, 430 00:20:42,467 --> 00:20:43,933 and he shot and killed her too. 431 00:20:43,933 --> 00:20:45,967 Sounds like he might've thought something was going on? 432 00:20:45,967 --> 00:20:47,533 There was some speculation, 433 00:20:47,533 --> 00:20:49,867 he was a very jealous and controlling person, yes. 434 00:20:49,867 --> 00:20:51,167 The kids okay at this point? 435 00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:52,267 Or is he going for the kids? 436 00:20:52,267 --> 00:20:53,967 - The kids are fine. - Thank God the kids are okay. 437 00:20:53,967 --> 00:20:56,433 My client said that he eventually killed himself, 438 00:20:56,433 --> 00:20:57,600 do we know how that went down? 439 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,533 Yes, he actually walked outside, 440 00:20:59,533 --> 00:21:01,967 put a gun to his head and killed himself. 441 00:21:02,067 --> 00:21:03,800 Okay, so this all happened right on the property? 442 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,633 Right outside. 443 00:21:04,633 --> 00:21:05,900 This is a quiet neighborhood, 444 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:07,200 so this had to be big news? 445 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,700 It was very big news. 446 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:11,867 As a matter of fact I found an article that talks about the situation. 447 00:21:11,867 --> 00:21:13,433 [Stephen] Okay, do we know what kind of drugs they were doing? 448 00:21:13,433 --> 00:21:14,767 [Ken Afienko] Yeah, they were doing cocaine. 449 00:21:14,767 --> 00:21:17,900 [Stephen] Right, so he was whacked out on coke, plus the booze. 450 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:20,200 According to my client he was a good guy, 451 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,667 so this came out of nowhere. 452 00:21:26,433 --> 00:21:28,233 [Amy Allan] I'm seeing the guy who shot himself. 453 00:21:29,733 --> 00:21:32,067 He's tall, he's thin. 454 00:21:32,067 --> 00:21:33,867 His body was destroyed. 455 00:21:33,867 --> 00:21:35,300 Uh, not where he wanted. 456 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:37,867 Uh, that's why he's here. 457 00:21:37,867 --> 00:21:40,067 Uh, there's so many emotions with him, it's painful. 458 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:42,400 [loud zapping] 459 00:21:42,833 --> 00:21:43,833 [exhaling] 460 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:49,667 For more information about the show 461 00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:51,133 and if you need us to investigate 462 00:21:51,133 --> 00:21:53,067 unexplained activity in your home... 463 00:21:53,067 --> 00:21:56,400 Please visit travelchannel.com/ thedeadfiles. 464 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,867 Click on "help me Dead Files" to submit your story 465 00:21:58,867 --> 00:22:00,067 and we'll help if we can. 466 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,900 So far, I have a client 467 00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:09,100 who thinks something evil is going after her, 468 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,100 and her 4-year-old son, 469 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,900 on a property across the street 470 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:16,067 from where a double murder-suicide took place. 471 00:22:16,067 --> 00:22:17,433 But I wanna see if there's anything else. 472 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:20,300 Searching through old records, 473 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:21,900 I found out Lisa's house 474 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:24,200 was smack down in the middle of a bloody battle 475 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,133 between Native Americans and the Spanish. 476 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,633 So I'm meeting a local Native American historian. 477 00:22:32,633 --> 00:22:35,800 Says he'll explain what led up to all the bloodshed. 478 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,600 In this case it wasn't settlers pushing the tribes out, 479 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,433 but a bitter fight over religion. 480 00:22:47,067 --> 00:22:48,333 Little, thanks for meeting with me, 481 00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:49,600 I appreciate you helping me out. 482 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,267 Uh, let me ask you a question, why'd you wanna meet here? 483 00:22:52,267 --> 00:22:53,400 Well, I wanna meet you here 484 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,067 because the village that I have, 485 00:22:55,067 --> 00:22:57,900 um, is very similar to the way the Jororo native people 486 00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:59,800 would've lived right here in these swamps. 487 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:01,700 What was their life like? 488 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:03,233 I mean, how did they function every day? 489 00:23:03,233 --> 00:23:04,633 Well these folks who lived here 490 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,733 were basically your swamp people. 491 00:23:06,733 --> 00:23:09,067 - Okay. - [Little] They lived solely upon what the swamp 492 00:23:09,067 --> 00:23:11,200 provided for their everyday survival. 493 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,800 They were able to use these dugout canoes that they made 494 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,800 and be able to go all through these lake systems out here. 495 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,167 So they were able to go from one place to another. 496 00:23:19,167 --> 00:23:21,900 So, Little, I know things didn't go well for the Jororo, what happened? 497 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:23,433 Well, in the late 1600's, 498 00:23:23,433 --> 00:23:26,133 the Spaniards begin to build missions all over Florida 499 00:23:26,133 --> 00:23:28,333 and some of them right around here. 500 00:23:28,333 --> 00:23:30,700 Okay, so they were trying to bring Catholicism here? 501 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:31,767 Absolutely. 502 00:23:31,767 --> 00:23:33,233 Was the tribe pissed about this? 503 00:23:33,233 --> 00:23:34,067 Well, not at first. 504 00:23:34,067 --> 00:23:36,067 It was, uh, taken in very well. 505 00:23:36,067 --> 00:23:38,833 As a matter of fact, Jororo Chief Ajapa, 506 00:23:38,833 --> 00:23:40,367 he converted. 507 00:23:40,367 --> 00:23:42,767 He was converted into Catholicism. 508 00:23:42,767 --> 00:23:44,500 All right, so when does the trouble start? 509 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:48,300 Well in 1696, um, the natives went to the priest 510 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:52,767 and told him to stop teaching Christianity to the native people. 511 00:23:52,767 --> 00:23:54,133 Okay, so does the priest stop? 512 00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:56,367 No, he didn't, he continued to teach. 513 00:23:56,367 --> 00:23:59,867 And which the Jororo rebels 514 00:23:59,867 --> 00:24:03,500 went to Chief Ajapa and demanded that they kill the priest, 515 00:24:04,267 --> 00:24:05,867 uh, for not listening. 516 00:24:05,867 --> 00:24:06,867 He refused. 517 00:24:06,867 --> 00:24:08,333 - And he refused? - [Little] Right. 518 00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:11,867 So with that, he lost his life, they killed him. 519 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:13,400 All right, so now the chief's dead. 520 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,667 What about this priest? Do they go after him? 521 00:24:14,667 --> 00:24:16,300 Well they did go after the priest. 522 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:19,100 Um, they went to the mission, uh, they killed the priest. 523 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,167 Uh, they killed two altar boys 524 00:24:21,167 --> 00:24:22,333 that were also Jororo, 525 00:24:22,333 --> 00:24:23,700 and then they burned down the mission. 526 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:26,567 Can I assume that the Spanish retaliated? 527 00:24:26,567 --> 00:24:27,967 Oh, yeah, they retaliated. 528 00:24:28,067 --> 00:24:32,067 They sent a guide with soldiers after the rebels 529 00:24:32,067 --> 00:24:34,133 and they were killed really quick. 530 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:35,400 So what happens after that? 531 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,967 Well they did send a second group. 532 00:24:37,067 --> 00:24:40,433 Uh, guides with a bunch of soldiers this time. 533 00:24:40,433 --> 00:24:43,667 But this time, the soldiers got lost in them swamps. 534 00:24:43,667 --> 00:24:46,067 They just kept them wandering around, wandering around. 535 00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:48,300 And as far as we know, they're still wandering. 536 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:49,833 Okay, so they never made it out of the swamp? 537 00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:51,333 Never made it out of them swamps. 538 00:24:51,333 --> 00:24:53,067 What happened to the Jororo people? 539 00:24:53,067 --> 00:24:54,500 After all that was going on 540 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,433 they just figured that the Spaniards were not gonna give up. 541 00:24:57,433 --> 00:24:59,600 - Okay. - [Little] They were gonna keep on sending soldiers 542 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,667 so they took off and headed up north. 543 00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:03,833 That's where they begin to live their lives. 544 00:25:03,833 --> 00:25:06,800 It's kind of a shame because they got driven out of their own land. 545 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,967 - Yeah. - Over religion? 546 00:25:09,067 --> 00:25:10,200 Over religion. 547 00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:15,800 [Amy] I met eight men. 548 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,100 They were all naked, uh, the were all very, very young. 549 00:25:21,333 --> 00:25:24,967 They were on a ship different than the other guy. 550 00:25:25,067 --> 00:25:27,867 And I heard that they were soldiers. 551 00:25:28,733 --> 00:25:30,733 They came across the seas. 552 00:25:30,733 --> 00:25:34,067 It was an army, uh, and they were kids. 553 00:25:34,067 --> 00:25:37,133 This was a very, very, very long time ago. 554 00:25:37,133 --> 00:25:40,167 So long ago, hardly any people were here. 555 00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:46,133 Yes, yes, yes, definitely people buried. 556 00:25:46,133 --> 00:25:48,567 Hmm, hmm, hmm, definitely people buried. 557 00:25:48,567 --> 00:25:49,633 Hmm, hmm. 558 00:25:50,167 --> 00:25:54,067 [muttering incoherently] 559 00:26:01,467 --> 00:26:04,067 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk 560 00:26:04,067 --> 00:26:06,133 but two stood out. 561 00:26:06,133 --> 00:26:09,367 First, the old woman who recently died in the house. 562 00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:13,767 She was pretty, uh, petit. 563 00:26:13,767 --> 00:26:16,600 Uh, so probably five-feet tall. 564 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,300 I remember at the time thinking she was, like, in her sixties. 565 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:24,733 She didn't really have eyebrows. 566 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,067 Describe the woman's hair. 567 00:26:28,067 --> 00:26:30,067 It was, like, super, super short. 568 00:26:30,067 --> 00:26:33,933 I remember getting that she died from, I believe, cancer 569 00:26:33,933 --> 00:26:37,467 which might be why she doesn't have eyebrows or eyelashes. 570 00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:44,067 Next, I describe the witch attacking the living person. 571 00:26:44,067 --> 00:26:48,767 I believe I'm laying down on a bed, looking up. 572 00:26:48,767 --> 00:26:53,800 And this woman has her hand 573 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,367 over my mouth. 574 00:26:57,167 --> 00:26:58,833 What was her expression like? 575 00:26:58,833 --> 00:27:01,767 The look in her eyes is, like, "ha, ha, I've got you." 576 00:27:09,967 --> 00:27:11,600 Amy, is this what you saw? 577 00:27:13,433 --> 00:27:14,300 Yes. 578 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,300 [Stephen] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations 579 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:32,067 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other. 580 00:27:32,067 --> 00:27:34,467 and our clients for the first time. 581 00:27:34,467 --> 00:27:36,367 So Amy, I want you to meet Lisa 582 00:27:36,367 --> 00:27:38,133 and her father, Danny. 583 00:27:38,133 --> 00:27:41,333 Um, now, two other people live here 584 00:27:41,333 --> 00:27:43,900 and that's Lisa's fiancee, Mike 585 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,400 and their 4-year-old son, Mikey. 586 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,300 Now, Lisa grew up in this house 587 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,067 and it means a lot to her. 588 00:27:50,067 --> 00:27:52,500 But, in the past couple of years, 589 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,367 things have gotten really bad. 590 00:27:54,367 --> 00:27:57,067 So bad, she's convinced that whatever's here, 591 00:27:57,067 --> 00:27:58,733 wants to kill them all. 592 00:27:58,733 --> 00:28:01,267 So, Amy, now that you know a little bit about these guys, 593 00:28:01,267 --> 00:28:03,067 uh, why don't you tell us about your walk? 594 00:28:06,433 --> 00:28:10,233 [Amy] When I arrived, 595 00:28:10,233 --> 00:28:13,967 I was getting that there was a cemetery, 596 00:28:14,067 --> 00:28:15,933 or a cemetery nearby. 597 00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:19,533 Then these four people come from that direction. 598 00:28:19,533 --> 00:28:21,800 Two of them are men. 599 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,300 I think they're all family. 600 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,367 I believe that they're German. 601 00:28:25,367 --> 00:28:29,067 They seemed fairly recent, like, 1800's. 602 00:28:30,267 --> 00:28:35,233 One of them was a very old man. 603 00:28:35,233 --> 00:28:39,400 He apparently owned something here at one time 604 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,133 and it got pushed or taken away. 605 00:28:42,133 --> 00:28:46,067 He felt it was really disrespectful to him 606 00:28:46,067 --> 00:28:47,600 and to his family. 607 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,833 And he's not a happy camper, he's not happy. 608 00:28:51,833 --> 00:28:55,133 So, Amy, you got a family that own the land around here, 609 00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:56,633 they felt disrespected. 610 00:28:56,633 --> 00:28:59,167 And they feel like things got pushed away. 611 00:28:59,167 --> 00:29:02,067 You could be talking about the original owners of the property. 612 00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:05,267 Um, they were brothers named Leonard and Julius Rosen. 613 00:29:06,733 --> 00:29:08,633 This is Leonard who is the older one 614 00:29:08,633 --> 00:29:11,467 and this is Julius who was his younger brother. 615 00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:14,700 And they were two of four children 616 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:19,433 born to Jewish immigrants, um, who got here in 1905. 617 00:29:19,433 --> 00:29:22,500 They weren't from Germany but they were from Ukraine and Russia. 618 00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:24,733 The Rosens grew up in Baltimore 619 00:29:24,733 --> 00:29:26,967 and made a fortune in retail. 620 00:29:27,067 --> 00:29:29,800 Now things were good except for the tragic death of a sister 621 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,367 who died of cancer in 1948. 622 00:29:32,367 --> 00:29:35,100 Now in the '50s they took a vacation to Florida 623 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,933 and fell in love with the state. 624 00:29:36,933 --> 00:29:39,400 So they moved here and formed a real estate company 625 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,867 that basically built the city I live in, which is Cape Coral. 626 00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:45,067 Then they bought a ton of land in Kissimmee, 627 00:29:45,067 --> 00:29:46,933 including the spot we're all sitting in now. 628 00:29:48,433 --> 00:29:50,333 That's when things started to go wrong. 629 00:29:50,333 --> 00:29:53,367 Now, the first tragedy happened to Julius, the younger brother. 630 00:29:53,367 --> 00:29:56,967 He died of a heart attack in 1969 at the age of 50. 631 00:29:57,067 --> 00:30:00,933 Now, a year later, the Rosen's younger sister, Sylvia dies of cancer, 632 00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:02,333 she was just 48. 633 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,767 So now we got one Rosen sibling left, Leonard. 634 00:30:06,767 --> 00:30:08,600 He's running the business alone 635 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,567 and then he suffers a heart attack in 1971. 636 00:30:11,567 --> 00:30:13,167 But he survives. 637 00:30:13,167 --> 00:30:15,800 But things go from bad to worse. 638 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,667 In the mid-70s his company had to file bankruptcy 639 00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:23,800 and Leonard lost $68 million as a result. 640 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,400 He died in 1987, probably a bitter guy. 641 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,900 [Amy] Interesting. 642 00:30:31,733 --> 00:30:33,200 [Stephen] All right, so Amy, what else happened? 643 00:30:34,167 --> 00:30:39,033 [Amy] So, I saw this guy on a boat 644 00:30:39,033 --> 00:30:40,833 and while he was on the boat 645 00:30:40,833 --> 00:30:43,800 he kept screaming, like, "we're all going to die." 646 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,300 He is often in the back and I really thought 647 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:50,500 that you guys may see him out there. 648 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,700 I didn't know if you would see him as a shadow person 649 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,367 or as an actual person. 650 00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:01,633 You know, it seems like there's a man here, 651 00:31:02,533 --> 00:31:04,100 who's seen him... 652 00:31:05,367 --> 00:31:07,467 ...I think the most. 653 00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:11,067 This man, this living man feels older. 654 00:31:11,067 --> 00:31:13,733 Uh, he's got abilities. Mmm-hmm. 655 00:31:16,067 --> 00:31:20,233 He indicated that he has tried on occasion 656 00:31:20,233 --> 00:31:21,933 to reach out to this male. 657 00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:24,200 Uh, either by talking to him 658 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,867 or trying to touch him. 659 00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:28,933 [Stephen] Danny, do me a favor, 660 00:31:28,933 --> 00:31:31,133 tell Amy about what happened to your calves. 661 00:31:31,133 --> 00:31:33,067 [Danny] Yeah, when I go to bed at night 662 00:31:33,067 --> 00:31:37,900 it feels like a very strong, large man's hand, 663 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:40,067 grabs my calves and just squeezes. 664 00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:41,567 Hmm. 665 00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:45,233 And it gets very painful. 666 00:31:45,233 --> 00:31:47,467 Tell her about the two shadow me you told me about. 667 00:31:48,067 --> 00:31:49,233 Down the hallway... 668 00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:53,067 ...I saw one shadow guy. 669 00:31:53,067 --> 00:31:55,133 And he was standing at the den door 670 00:31:55,133 --> 00:31:56,833 looking into the den. 671 00:31:56,833 --> 00:32:00,767 About a minute or so later another one came up, 672 00:32:00,767 --> 00:32:02,500 was standing beside him. 673 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:05,367 Now could this... All these... 674 00:32:05,367 --> 00:32:06,733 ...things that are happening, all you've seen, 675 00:32:06,733 --> 00:32:09,067 be the guy from the boat? 676 00:32:09,067 --> 00:32:13,500 I mean, I'm a little concerned that might be him. 677 00:32:18,467 --> 00:32:19,733 [Stephen] What else we got? 678 00:32:21,733 --> 00:32:25,567 [Amy] There are three dead people who spend time inside your house. 679 00:32:25,567 --> 00:32:28,600 The first one is an older woman. 680 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,267 Uh, I got that she was a relative of the people who live here now. 681 00:32:33,267 --> 00:32:36,300 Her death though was fairly recent. 682 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:39,100 I would say within the last ten to 15 years. 683 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,967 Got that she died from cancer, 684 00:32:41,067 --> 00:32:44,200 was in her mid to late sixties. 685 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,267 She was telling me she was trying to talk to everybody in the house, 686 00:32:48,267 --> 00:32:50,433 uh, but mostly an older male 687 00:32:50,433 --> 00:32:53,067 and a younger male, a little boy. 688 00:32:53,067 --> 00:32:57,100 And I got that they might be grandfather and grandson. 689 00:32:58,833 --> 00:33:00,667 That sounds like my wife. 690 00:33:00,667 --> 00:33:01,867 Yeah, you okay? 691 00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:06,433 [Lisa] Thank you. 692 00:33:07,967 --> 00:33:10,733 Yeah, that was Lisa's mom. 693 00:33:11,833 --> 00:33:13,367 Died a couple of years ago from cancer. 694 00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:14,533 Mmm, mmm. 695 00:33:14,533 --> 00:33:16,633 - Yeah, her name was Connie. - [Danny] Connie, yep. 696 00:33:16,633 --> 00:33:18,700 And, uh, she was 65 when she passed. 697 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,100 She was the protector of the family. 698 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:24,100 And she was best friends with Mikey, my son. 699 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,433 Danny, how long were you guys married? 700 00:33:27,433 --> 00:33:30,400 Uh, about, uh, 45 years. 701 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,667 She was, uh, a very strong-willed woman. 702 00:33:33,667 --> 00:33:34,567 Mmm. 703 00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:37,500 Something interesting we gotta talk about. 704 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:40,200 While your mom was alive, 705 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,067 Lisa saw her doppelganger. 706 00:33:43,067 --> 00:33:45,633 [Lisa] She would just come walking down the hallway 707 00:33:45,633 --> 00:33:48,667 and then you'd, like, turn around, like, 708 00:33:48,667 --> 00:33:51,233 the devil's head, like, why are you out of bed? 709 00:33:51,233 --> 00:33:52,200 - You know... - Mmm. 710 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,067 ...this isn't even possible, and then gone. 711 00:33:54,067 --> 00:33:56,067 I'd never seen anything like that in my life. 712 00:33:57,267 --> 00:34:00,933 Lisa, tell Amy how, basically, the activity skyrocketed 713 00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:02,733 after your mom passed. 714 00:34:02,733 --> 00:34:05,500 We always kind of had some activity here, 715 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:09,133 but it was almost immediately as soon as she passed, 716 00:34:09,133 --> 00:34:11,333 everything just kind of ramped up. 717 00:34:11,333 --> 00:34:13,167 Violence kind of started happening, 718 00:34:13,167 --> 00:34:14,900 we had started getting hurt. 719 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,433 Um, so I always kind of felt like she was always 720 00:34:17,433 --> 00:34:18,867 trying to kind of protect us. 721 00:34:18,867 --> 00:34:21,467 Like, she was always trying to take, like, the brunt of it for us. 722 00:34:22,967 --> 00:34:25,600 So, Amy, I've got a photo of Connie. 723 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,333 Uh, is it possible this is who you wound up seeing? 724 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,067 I had a sketch done of the person that I saw. 725 00:34:41,567 --> 00:34:42,700 It looks just like her. 726 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:43,667 You think? 727 00:34:43,667 --> 00:34:45,333 Yeah, what, are you kidding me? 728 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:46,533 You guys tells me? 729 00:34:50,867 --> 00:34:52,100 Yeah, when she died. 730 00:34:53,067 --> 00:34:54,367 [Lisa] You think that it's Mom? 731 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,100 I do. 732 00:34:57,233 --> 00:34:58,800 And how do you feel about that? 733 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,533 I'm not happy about that. 734 00:35:00,533 --> 00:35:02,100 'Cause I was hoping she would move on 735 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,067 and be happy with her family. 736 00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:09,667 And you said there were three dead people in the house though? 737 00:35:09,667 --> 00:35:11,100 - [Amy] Mmm. - Yeah, who's next? 738 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,067 There's a dead male. 739 00:35:14,067 --> 00:35:17,167 He likes to mess with electronics. 740 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,933 Mike was telling me that little Mikey's toys 741 00:35:19,933 --> 00:35:21,867 just go on, out of nowhere. 742 00:35:21,867 --> 00:35:23,567 [Lisa] It's a little freaky. 743 00:35:23,567 --> 00:35:26,400 He told me that he shot himself in the head, 744 00:35:27,267 --> 00:35:30,200 he's very upset about his body. 745 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,833 Whatever was done with him after he died 746 00:35:33,833 --> 00:35:36,433 is not what he wanted done. 747 00:35:36,433 --> 00:35:38,567 Now, as far as who this guy might be... 748 00:35:39,567 --> 00:35:41,600 Sounds a lot like these guys' former neighbor, 749 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,833 his name was Jesus Nunez. 750 00:35:43,833 --> 00:35:46,533 Now, he was 34 and lived in the house 751 00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:48,533 right across the street from here. 752 00:35:48,533 --> 00:35:53,333 He lived with his girlfriend of 14 years, Stephanie Ruiz, and her four children. 753 00:35:53,333 --> 00:35:58,667 On June 7, 2021, after a night of partying, Nunez snapped. 754 00:35:58,667 --> 00:36:01,133 First he shot and killed his best friend. 755 00:36:01,133 --> 00:36:03,967 Then he knocked down the door and killed his girlfriend. 756 00:36:04,067 --> 00:36:04,967 What? 757 00:36:05,067 --> 00:36:06,900 He then walked out to the front door, 758 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,200 pointed a gun to his head and blew his brains out. 759 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,333 What? 760 00:36:10,333 --> 00:36:13,433 I got an article here about this. 761 00:36:13,433 --> 00:36:16,233 [Amy] So, do you think they were having an affair or something? 762 00:36:16,233 --> 00:36:19,833 - [Stephen] Uh, it kind of leans that way, yeah. - Mmm-hmm. 763 00:36:19,833 --> 00:36:21,667 I spoke to Mike, Lisa's fiancee 764 00:36:21,667 --> 00:36:23,167 - and he says... - [Amy] Geez. 765 00:36:23,167 --> 00:36:24,800 ...Jesus was a stand-up guy. 766 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,600 He never saw it coming. 767 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,500 I thought he was a pretty decent guy myself. 768 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:33,567 [Amy] That guy who shot himself in the head 769 00:36:33,567 --> 00:36:37,433 and this female, your mom, 770 00:36:37,433 --> 00:36:41,767 are trying to warn you guys, about this third person. 771 00:36:41,767 --> 00:36:43,400 It's an older woman. 772 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,733 They've nicknamed her the witch. 773 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,133 The guy who killed himself 774 00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:51,167 he says that she made... 775 00:36:51,967 --> 00:36:53,567 ...that whole situation happen. 776 00:36:53,567 --> 00:36:55,300 - Oh, she influenced it. - [Amy] Yes. 777 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:56,567 Wow. 778 00:36:56,567 --> 00:36:59,300 Now, you said they've been trying to warn them... 779 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:00,700 - Mmm. - ...of this woman, the witch. 780 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:01,700 - Mmm. - Why? 781 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:02,667 - [Amy] Mmm. - What was she doing? 782 00:37:02,667 --> 00:37:04,233 'Cause she's out of control. 783 00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:07,633 Uh, so she's dangerous, she's physical. 784 00:37:07,633 --> 00:37:12,167 Now, I did see her hitting a woman in the face. 785 00:37:12,167 --> 00:37:15,867 There was a strike and it was hard. 786 00:37:15,867 --> 00:37:17,200 Just... [imitates crunch] 787 00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:20,967 Then I saw her down the hall to the left. 788 00:37:21,067 --> 00:37:22,233 - And... - [Stephen] That's where Lisa and Mike sleep 789 00:37:22,233 --> 00:37:23,200 with little Mikey. 790 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,833 Mmm. So she's honed in on somebody in there. 791 00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:31,133 And I saw her trying to smother that person. 792 00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:33,933 I felt like they could feel her breath on their face. 793 00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:36,067 I did have a sketch done of her 794 00:37:36,067 --> 00:37:37,700 and it's from that perspective, 795 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:38,633 'cause I was in the person's body 796 00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:40,933 looking up at her. 797 00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:44,133 [paper rustling] 798 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,767 Oh, I see what you're saying. 799 00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:50,867 Oh. 800 00:37:56,867 --> 00:37:57,733 [Lisa] Wow. 801 00:37:58,967 --> 00:38:00,100 Scary eyes. 802 00:38:01,067 --> 00:38:03,767 [Danny] She got some big hands, too. 803 00:38:03,767 --> 00:38:07,700 I've had so many things happen to me, uh, back there. 804 00:38:08,633 --> 00:38:10,133 I actually have a scar, 805 00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:14,333 Um, I'd woken up, almost identical spots, 806 00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:18,967 right here, and it's already almost scabbed over by the time I wake up. 807 00:38:19,067 --> 00:38:21,833 So, Amy, Lisa's not the only one getting scratched in the house. 808 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:25,200 Um, this is s photo of little Mikey. 809 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,633 And the scratches he's been getting. 810 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,767 I mean, could that have been this witch. 811 00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:32,500 Yes. 812 00:38:34,733 --> 00:38:38,167 You mention that this witch has her eyes set on someone. 813 00:38:38,167 --> 00:38:39,933 You know, I'd lean more towards... 814 00:38:40,467 --> 00:38:41,333 ...you. 815 00:38:42,767 --> 00:38:45,900 But it wouldn't surprise me, your son either. 816 00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,700 What does she want to do to that person? 817 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,233 Oh, she'll just kill. 818 00:38:49,233 --> 00:38:49,967 [intense music plays] 819 00:38:54,633 --> 00:38:56,067 He's the light of my life. 820 00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,733 I wouldn't want anything to happen to him. 821 00:38:58,967 --> 00:39:00,733 If someone was to hurt him... 822 00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:02,367 [scoffing] 823 00:39:02,367 --> 00:39:03,567 ...they would have hell to pay. 824 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,400 I'd shoot myself just to go get him. 825 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,167 [intense music plays] 826 00:39:09,067 --> 00:39:09,767 [sniffing] 827 00:39:16,067 --> 00:39:18,100 [Stephen] Lisa, you thought there was a demon in the house? 828 00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:19,367 Good news is, there isn't. 829 00:39:19,367 --> 00:39:20,667 Yeah. 830 00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:23,467 - The bad news is, this witch may as well be, right? - Yeah. 831 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,067 [Stephen] So now it's time to answer your big question. 832 00:39:27,067 --> 00:39:29,867 Is there anything you can do to kick this old bag out of the house 833 00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:31,567 and go back to living a peaceful life? 834 00:39:31,567 --> 00:39:33,500 Or are you just gonna have to pack up and leave? 835 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,200 For that answer I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 836 00:39:39,067 --> 00:39:42,167 [Amy] What I would like to do is have a... 837 00:39:42,167 --> 00:39:47,200 ...female, older medium, uh, who's very strong minded 838 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,700 come in and make contact with her. 839 00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:56,633 She's gonna show her how she can move on and get out of here 840 00:39:56,633 --> 00:40:00,967 Once she leaves, your mom, your wife, 841 00:40:00,967 --> 00:40:02,533 and the dude with the... 842 00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:04,500 - Gunshot. - Gunshot wound. 843 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,133 They'll go. 844 00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:08,267 Because the only reason they're both staying here 845 00:40:08,267 --> 00:40:09,500 is because of her. 846 00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:15,500 The second thing that needs to be done is, to move on, 847 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,200 the guy outside. 848 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,867 So this medium will then go out 849 00:40:19,867 --> 00:40:23,200 and help him to move on as well. 850 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,033 Okay? 851 00:40:24,033 --> 00:40:27,167 So then everybody's gone. 852 00:40:29,467 --> 00:40:30,567 Do you think... 853 00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:34,333 'Cause my son is always trying to pick up on things 854 00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:35,133 and seeing things. 855 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:36,433 Do you think he has abilities? 856 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:40,400 [Amy] Yeah. 857 00:40:41,167 --> 00:40:43,167 You know, he's only four. 858 00:40:43,167 --> 00:40:45,567 So, you know, more than likely 859 00:40:45,567 --> 00:40:47,467 - he'll grow out of it now. - [Lisa] Right. 860 00:40:47,467 --> 00:40:50,600 Because this is all going to be resolved. 861 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,833 So we want him just to heal up 862 00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:56,733 and, you know, move on. 863 00:40:56,733 --> 00:40:58,633 This is the most chipper I've seen you... 864 00:40:58,633 --> 00:41:00,067 - [Lisa laughing] - ...in the last few days. 865 00:41:02,267 --> 00:41:03,533 - [Lisa] It's good news. - Yeah. 866 00:41:03,533 --> 00:41:04,767 [Stephen] Could've been worse, could've been what you thought. 867 00:41:04,767 --> 00:41:05,833 It could've been much worse. 868 00:41:05,833 --> 00:41:06,800 [Stephen] Isn't that great news? 869 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,300 Yeah, it's a weight off your shoulders. 870 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,133 I feel lighter, already I feel lighter. 871 00:41:12,133 --> 00:41:15,533 You have no idea how much we appreciate you folks. 872 00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:17,400 Real happy that this is good news for you. 873 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,333 It is very good news. Thank you so much. 874 00:41:21,333 --> 00:41:24,867 [Amy] I really hope Lisa and her father, Danny, contact a medium 875 00:41:24,867 --> 00:41:28,500 to remove the witch and the other dead trapped inside their home. 876 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,067 Once they do that, 877 00:41:30,067 --> 00:41:32,800 things with Mikey should improve dramatically 878 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,933 and this family will find the peace and happiness they deserve. 879 00:41:41,333 --> 00:41:43,633 We're still looking for a female medium 880 00:41:43,633 --> 00:41:45,833 to come in and clear the house. 881 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:51,267 Um, the activity is still... Still here. 882 00:41:51,267 --> 00:41:54,333 We're trying to stay positive. 883 00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:58,667 And I just know as soon as we find the right female medium, 884 00:41:58,667 --> 00:42:02,200 everything's gonna feel lighter and lifted 885 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,500 and just so much better. 886 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,833 Thank you Steve and Amy for coming out.