[eerie music playing]
[Amy] This thing is, like, putting these
weird thoughts in her head.
Getting her all worked up
to act out.
[Paige] She got a lot more explosive and volatile.
Don't know what could be causing that.
There has to have been some violent outburst on her part.
[Jennifer] He shot her in the head,
and then himself.
So it was a murder-suicide.
Yes.
We will never know how many people were murdered that night.
It was reaching down from the ceiling,
and putting its hands inside a female's head.
If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna have to do it the bloody hard way.
[Amy] It just manipulates people's thoughts and causes problems.
Now, it's out of, like, revenge.
[car door opens]
[Amy] Oh, boy.
I don't feel safe.
The earth is not stable here.
And it's, like, moving too fast.
And I feel sick. That sickness comes in.
The land here, it's all about death. Like, everybody's dying.
This is not a good situation.
[Steve] I'm in Orlando, Florida.
Locals call it the City Beautiful. And I can see why.
I got a call from a terrified woman named Jennifer.
Says whatever's in the house killed her former in-laws,
and now it wants her dead.
Jennifer says the activity is getting worse day by day,
and it's trying to rip her and her daughter apart.
I'm hoping Amy and I can help before it's too late.
So, I'm glad I'm here. I mean, I love Orlando.
It's a gorgeous area, but when we spoke on the phone,
you were basically saying, "I live in Hell."
What the hell's going on?
There is not, uh, one day
where things are just completely normal and okay.
There's something very evil here. And it is trying to kill me.
And I believe that it has the power to do so.
I am desperate.
I need you guys.
Let's get the basics. Who lives in the house?
Myself.
My husband, Ian, who's 47.
My daughter Paige, from a previous relationship, who is 30.
[Steve] On the phone, you said whatever is here
is trying to tear you and your daughter apart. What's going on?
[Jennifer] It has devolved so badly
that we can't be in the same room for very long.
Really?
Mmm.
Do me a favor and give me a list of the stuff
you guys are experiencing here.
We hear strange noises.
Our health is being attacked.
We're seeing shadow figures and apparitions.
And we experience physical violence.
So, Jen, when we spoke on the phone,
you had mentioned a tragedy, um... [sighs] ...in this house.
What the hell happened?
My daughter's grandparents, Kathy and David,
took their lives in my daughter's closet.
He shot her in the head, and then himself.
So it was a murder-suicide.
Yes.
And, so, how long ago did this happen?
Three years ago.
That is Kathy and David.
[Steve] They look really happy in this picture. It's sad.
You recall how old they might have been at the time this happened?
-Late '70's. -[Steve] Okay.
They were very proud, strong people
who had taken care of themselves and their entire families--
-Okay. -[Jennifer] ...for the whole
of their lives.
And I don't think that was their decision.
Whose decision do you think it was then?
I think they were influenced.
All right, so I just wanna get down to brass tacks here.
You believe the paranormal had something to do with their suicides.
I really do.
Okay.
[Amy] There is a very heavy atmosphere.
Death is here.
Somebody died in this area.
There's, like, some dead old lady over there.
You know, she's probably, like, I don't know, 70?
She's, like, super confused, so I'm, like, trying to tell her that, like...
You know, I'm like, "Do you see the ambulance?"
And she is like, "Yeah."
And I'm like, "You need to go in the ambulance.
"Like, that was for you."
I think that she,
you know, maybe, like, had a sudden death.
I think this was fairly recent.
I'd say, like, within the last 10 years.
Then there's also, uh, something about a suicide.
Uh, I think a male who killed himself. Hmm.
[Steve] Okay, so, what's going on around the house?
I see an apparition often
of an older white man,
who says some pretty nasty things.
-[Steve] Like what? -He says that
nobody would be here if it wasn't for him,
that he owns all of this.
"And you're all here because of me."
-Okay, anything else? -That same
older gentleman has jumped me on a few occasions.
So when he jumps you like that, what happens?
I feel intense emotion that does not come from me.
-Okay. -And I wind up screaming
-and yelling crazy things. -[Steve] That's interesting.
So what's coming out of your mouth, though, do you even know?
I do know.
Things like...
"You don't appreciate me. You don't appreciate what I've done.
"You don't recognize what I've done.
"I built everything,
"and you do not appreciate me."
All right, anything else?
Something else in the house is influencing me emotionally.
I get very upset, paranoid, angry, sad, fearful.
[Steve] Now is this a different feeling from when you get jumped?
[Jennifer] Yes. I'm not sure what it is,
I just wind up being really angry with myself, that I'm failing.
All right, so I gotta ask,
could it be medications you're on that are making you feel like this?
No.
What do you think its purpose is, to do that to you?
-To drive you nuts? -[Jennifer] Yes.
-Okay. -And to
make my family think I'm completely unhinged
and so, therefore, they should discount what I say.
Which causes more friction between you and your daughter.
A great deal.
[door opens]
[Amy] Uh, I think this is living people.
Male and a female, and they're having a really loud fight.
Bad.
So there's fighting, fighting, fighting,
and then the female storming off that way.
She's got brown hair.
And I hear, "Jessica."
I'm hearing a male being, like,
"You're just losing your mind."
You know, "You're losing your mind."
This, this living person is crying.
Okay.
Something's up. They have an attic.
I see this, like, little thing.
It's, like, hiding.
[Mathew] What is?
[Amy] It's, like, a little, like, gremlin-y looking thing.
It doesn't wanna be found.
[Mathew] Does this have any effect on the living?
[Amy] Yeah, it's bad.
[Steve] All right, Jennifer, I'm assuming this is your own bedroom?
[Jennifer] Yes.
[Steve] Okay, so what's going on?
I have
seen a dark figure that looks very much
like a big, giant frog. It's about the size of a human toddler.
Okay, so, I'm trying to figure out what this would look like.
I actually drew it.
-Like a sketch? -[Jennifer] Yes.
[Steve] Wow. It looks like a frog.
I'm afraid to even ask, but what else?
I keep waking up with bruises on my body.
I have a photo of one of the bruises
that were left on the inside of my arm.
-[Steve] Okay. -[Jennifer] It's usually
three bruises together.
-[Steve] Okay. -[Jennifer] Like this.
You have wood tables here. Everything is wood.
Yeah, I do get bruises from those. But it's always
-on the outside. -Okay.
All right, anything else like this happen?
I felt a burning sensation on my cheek.
-Okay. -[Jennifer] And I found
a scratch on my face.
[Steve] This could have been an allergic reaction to something?
No.
-No. -[Jennifer] My face gets red
when I have allergic reactions.
But it doesn't... Not in, like, one little spot.
All right, so, what else is going on?
There is an apparition that I see
that is a tall, gray man, giving off a feeling of hate.
[Steve] Okay, what's he look like?
He's disproportionate in that his legs are very long,
his arms are very long. And the torso is very long.
[Steve] Okay.
And it just looks odd.
Do you think this is the thing or person that
caused your in-laws to do what they did?
And causing all the havoc that's going on here?
And maybe wanting to kill you?
I do.
I think he wants people to do harm--
-[Steve] Right. -...and hurt others
and themselves.
What are you hoping you can get out of our investigation, now that we're here?
I'm not sure it's even possible anymore,
but I would love
to have my normal relationship back with my daughter
-for one. -Hmm.
And I would just love to be able to live every day without being attacked.
[Amy] That gremlin looking thing
is torturing the living woman in this room.
I did see, like, arms reaching through the ceiling.
Like, dangling down,
going into a female's head,
and, like, I think she's asleep.
And they're causing, um, issues.
So, like, weird visions. I don't think they're good.
More like having visions of, like bad things are about to happen.
Like, to family or friends. Themselves.
And I think it's working. I think this person's become very
scared and neurotic.
Her reality is really, really, really skewed,
because this thing is, like, putting these weird
thoughts in her head,
and causing her to be paranoid and depressed and anxious.
This is bad.
So, Paige, let me just start off by
extending my condolences about what happened with your grandparents.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
[Steve] What kind of people were your grandparents?
They were... [sighs] They were really special people.
They were very dedicated parents,
they were hard working. They were my inspiration.
I understand your grandparents committed suicide
somewhere in this room in a closet?
[Paige] Yeah, the master bedroom closet, it's back that way.
-[Steve] Okay. -[Paige] It's a big walk-in.
Do you even think your grandparents are here?
I think that's entirely possible.
Okay, so, if you can,
Paige, give me, um, some of the experiences you've had.
There was a lot of things that I would do and say
that I would be told that I... Aren't part of my character.
It just felt like something else might be influencing that.
[Steve] Your mom mentioned she's going through something similar.
When it happens with you, though, what are we talking about?
Like, yelling, as if, like,
the people I love are somebody else.
It's like I would forget for a minute who they were.
Has your relationship with mom changed since she's moved here?
Yes.
There just seemed to be a lot more miscommunication, misunderstandings,
but she got a lot more explosive and volatile,
and I don't know what could be causing that.
[Amy groans] Really negative energy.
Very negative.
Absolute hatred.
"Can't get out of here. There's no way out. I've gotta get out of here. "
This is the female.
"Bad [bleep] gonna go down. Bad things."
Okay, so this does concern me.
So, that gremlin looking thing is also messing with the living woman in this room.
I just see the hands coming down,
coming down, coming down, wherever, wherever, wherever.
Coming down, manipulating her thoughts,
getting her all worked up to act out.
Why is it doing that?
Well, now it's just pissed, so it's just, like,
"I'm just gonna do this." You know, like, "[bleep] you, bitch."
Has she acted on that, or tried to act on that?
There has to have been some violent outburst on her part,
like, where she has [bleep] lost it.
Which definitely is being,
uh, manipulated by this thing,
to get worse.
She wants to hurt others.
That's not good.
All right, anything else you could tell me about?
I've been grabbed a few times,
I mean, definitely a couple of times.
Distinctively felt like fingertips.
Okay, so where did this happen? Give me an example.
Hallway leading to the garage, right there.
I was grabbed and pulled by my elbow.
So how hard are we talking? Grab my elbow, just give me an idea.
-All right, so not too hard. -No, not too hard.
It was just enough to...
Firm pinch and pull.
Like they were trying to get my attention.
Anything else like that happen?
[Paige] I woke up,
and noticed bruising on my neck.
What kind of bruise was it? Was it like finger marks?
Was it just a blotch?
There was only a few finger marks.
-So it-- -So it looked like
somebody grabbed you and tried to choke you.
-Right, -What do you think
it could be?
Whatever part of what's here feels, like,
pure hatred and malice.
Okay.
[Amy] There's this woman here, living.
She brought that thing.
This feels like within the last four or five years.
Something about four or five years.
It didn't attach to her, it's more like she grabbed it.
She collected it.
I think she might have wanted to be haunted.
She had issues throughout her life.
Something about death happening near, with her, recently.
I would say in the last two or three years.
Now this gremlin looking thing has gone over there
and it's [bleep] with the other woman.
[Steve] So, I just got a call from the local historian.
He did some digging,
and found out that one of the first owners of Jennifer's land,
dreamed of turning it into a huge development.
But the second he put the money together to do it,
tragedy struck.
I'm heading over to meet with him to find out
exactly what happened.
Well, Richard, I appreciate you meeting with me
and helping me out on this case.
All right, let's get right to it. Who is this guy?
His name was Walter Washington Rose.
He was born in Athens, Georgia, in 1887,
to a political family in the area.
[Steve] Okay. So, when does he make it out to Orlando?
The first time we really hear about
Walter moving to the Central Florida area is in 1909.
[Steve] Now, on the phone, you mentioned he was a land developer.
Is that right?
[Richard] Yeah, he was buying large tracts of land
and developing some of the most popular subdivisions in Orlando.
In some of the business dealings that he had in real estate,
it stipulated that the owners of the land had to be white.
[Steve] All right, Richard, let me ask you a question.
When does he wind up buying my client's property?
Well, in 1925, he ends up buying 380 acres
of what was, then, unincorporated West Orange County,
which included the property of your client.
Walter's dream at the time was to build another popular community,
in Central Florida, called Rose Hill Groves.
It took 33 years for him to secure the financing
to build Rose Hill Groves.
It wasn't until 1958,
that he had everything in place to break ground.
He finally gets the financing together in 1958,
but you said on the phone that's when tragedy struck. What happened?
Well, in the early morning hours of August 30th, 1958,
Walter wakes up in the middle of the night.
-He's in severe pain. -Okay.
So he gets up out of bed, his wife Stella doesn't think anything of it.
-Okay. -Eventually, she finds him
lying dead in the bathroom. In fact, this is his obituary.
Walter Rose was 71 years old, when he died of a heart attack.
All right, so what happens to the 380 acres?
Well, unfortunately, after Walter dies,
-his dream does with him. -Okay.
His wife holds on to the property for another 30 years.
It's never developed. And in 1985,
she ends up selling it to another land development company.
And that company, eventually, ends up
building your client's home in 1986.
Wow, okay.
[Amy] There's something about the earth here, that's so unstable.
It's become angry, violent.
There's some kind of movement, and it's not safe.
There was, like, this whoosh of illness,
which I think has to do with the earth.
The living, maybe they're having equilibrium problems.
Equilibrium issue can also cause some nausea.
Do you think people are in danger because of this?
I kind of think so.
Like, what could happen?
I don't know. But I don't feel safe.
[Steve] So I reached out to a local PI,
and told her about what happened with Jennifer's in-laws.
She did some digging and found
two more murder-suicides right near the house.
I gotta say, for a small town, this is very unusual.
So, Ting, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate that.
Let's start with the first case. What did you find out?
[Ting] So, it's said to be a 41-year-old female
by the name of Wanda Gayford.
-Okay. -[Ting] And her husband,
that's 34-year-old Andrew.
They married in 1997,
and lived right around the corner from your client's home.
They were married for only six months, when things went bad.
Andrew was arrested for domestic battery,
because he threw Wanda up against a wall in their home.
[Steve] So this guy sounds like a real piece of work.
So, does he do time? Or does he get out?
He only spends the night in jail.
And in the morning, his arraignment, they release him on bond
and tell him to stay away from Wanda.
So, he didn't stay away, obviously.
That is correct. So, on the morning of September 29th,
things turned deadly.
He goes home, and they actually have an argument, outside on the driveway,
for about 30 minutes, according to eye witnesses.
And the argument escalates.
He pulls a gun out from his trunk.
Wanda sees this, jumps in her vehicle,
drives across the neighbor's yard to get away.
And he fires six shots at her.
Okay, so does she get hit?
So, one of the rounds actually hits her,
and she crashes her vehicle into a nearby vehicle.
-Okay. -So he jumps in his vehicle,
pulls up next to her and shoots her at point blank range.
-Okay. -[Ting] And flees the scene.
So, Wanda was rushed to the hospital,
and was announced dead on arrival.
Okay, so he takes off. He's on the run at this point.
Yes, he's on the run for the next several days,
and he actually makes it all the way up to New Jersey.
-Okay. -Along the way somewhere,
he ditches the vehicle, and calls a friend to bring him back to Florida.
And on the way back to Florida,
they stop at a gas station in Georgia.
His friend's in the convenience store.
Andrew walks outside, around the corner of the store.
With the gun that he shot Wanda with,
he shoots himself with in the head.
[Steve] All right, so he took the coward's way out,
knowing he was gonna go back to Florida and wind up getting arrested.
[Ting] Yes.
So, now, you mentioned on the phone,
there was another murder-suicide.
Yeah, so this one's gonna be an attempted murder-suicide,
involving a 25-year-old female by the name of Bessie Joyner
and her 32-year-old husband, Orville.
They worked at a filling station
that's only a mile and a half away from your client's home.
Okay, so now we got another husband and wife. What happened?
So, on March 16th, 1930,
while in the apartment,
Bessie and Orville, basically, get in an argument.
And Orville threatens her life.
-Okay, -[Ting] So she takes
a single barrel shotgun and shoots him in the back.
Okay. Now, does that kill him?
It does not. So, he is taken to a nearby doctor, and he survives.
All right, so he's shot, he survives.
Now, now what happens with her?
Well, she tells the officers that she shot him because it was self-defense.
So, in the middle of the interview,
she gets up and walks to the bedroom,
finds a razor and slits her own throat.
[Steve] She wind up not successfully killing her husband,
but wind up killing herself.
-That is correct. -[Steve] In a pretty
brutal fashion.
[Amy] I encountered a female.
Between maybe 18 and 25 years old. She's white.
I don't think that she died naturally.
I would put her between the 1920s and the 1950s.
She's extremely depressed,
and I'm nervous, because she's become...
...angry.
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[Steve] So far, I have a client
terrified something paranormal is out to kill her,
on a property where there was a recent murder suicide.
But I wanna see if there's anything else.
Searching through the archives,
I find the horrific story about a racially motivated massacre
that sent shock waves through the area.
So, I'm heading over to meet the chief curator of a local museum.
She told me it all started when one Black man stood up for his right to vote.
So, Pam, I appreciate you helping me out with this case.
Now, on the phone, you mentioned this one guy looking for justice,
kind of made this thing go over the top. Who was this guy?
So, a man by the name of Moses Norman,
who was, uh, a business man and a labor broker
-in the city of Ocoee. -Okay.
And so, on November 2nd, 1920,
he went out to try to exercise his right to vote,
and he was turned away at the polls.
And that is what sort of kicked off the series of events.
Pam, why was he turned away? What reason?
We don't necessarily know, uh, but the understanding
is that he believed he had the legal right to vote,
others thought that he'd maybe not met those obligations.
All right. So he gets turned away. What happens next?
So there was a, uh, armed mob of white men,
who were deputized, who went out to Ocoee.
Uh, they didn't go to the home of Moses Norman,
they went to the home of his, uh, fellow labor broker
and, uh, friend, who was also Black, named July Perry.
[Steve] So, I'm assuming they went to this guy's house looking for Moses?
[Pamela] Yes.
Okay, so, I know, back then in Florida, the KKK was pretty prevalent.
Uh, did they have anything to do with this?
Absolutely.
And we actually have a really incredible archive
from our collection,
which is a letter from the Ku Klux Klan to the local white politicians,
essentially telling them to stop educating Black voters.
Okay, so now this deputized mob is at July's house.
What happened?
July Perry is shot multiple times.
While he does manage to escape out the back side of his house,
the mob gets him.
They, uh, brought him over to the Orange County jail,
where, supposedly, he received some medical attention,
and was placed into a jail cell.
And what happens after that?
The white mob comes back.
Uh, they actually come into the jail and overpower the jailor,
taking his keys, and remove July Perry from his jail cell.
Where they then take him outside, beat him,
and then drag him behind a car,
uh, before they lynch him and hang him,
and then riddle his body with bullet holes.
It sounds like these guys were crazy.
I mean, it didn't end there, I assume.
No, the violence actually continued
all into the morning hours of the next day.
At the site in Ocoee, there were still people there burning homes,
killing others, uh, and creating a perimeter.
Uh, we actually have a headline from the next day.
[Steve] Okay.
[Steve reads headline aloud]
Is that correct?
Part of the horror of this event
is that intentionally, we will never know
the number of how many people were murdered.
Estimates range from 30 to 50.
But all that we can factually say is four individuals,
July Perry and three additional,
uh, were murdered that night.
All right, was Moses among those three?
No. There was a story that Moses died that night,
but through genealogical research,
we were able to find out that he actually survived
and was later found in New York City.
-Really? -Yes.
Okay, so, let me ask you a question.
You got me in a courtroom here.
Was anyone charged?
The FBI did an investigation about voting fraud,
but never an investigation about the massacre.
And yet, nobody was ever, uh,
held responsible for the events of that night.
Wow, okay.
[intense music playing]
[Amy] I saw several horrifying things on my walk.
But the gremlin looking creature, tormenting the living woman,
concerns me the most.
There's a female that's in a bed.
You can see arms coming from the ceiling.
So, they're longer than average.
So, the hands are going inside this person's head.
Anything about the woman's facial expression?
I want her to be asleep,
so sleeping face.
The hair's back, I think it's, like, parted in the middle.
-[suspenseful music plays] -[pen scratches]
Amy, is this what you saw?
[suspenseful music builds]
Yes.
[crickets chirping]
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients, for the first time.
Amy, I want you to meet Jennifer, and this is Paige.
They're mother and daughter.
And they live here with Jennifer's husband, Ian.
From what I could see, these guys are in a lot of trouble,
and we're their very last hope.
Now, unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk.
The first thing that I wanna discuss is I went to the back.
I walked right into the backyard.
And the earth was like doing this movement stuff.
I did not feel safe
because of the land here. The earth is unstable.
The way I think it would affect you
would be maybe, like, uh, equilibrium issues.
Mmm-hmm.
Uh, so you might get a little bit of vertigo occasionally.
I was always a little klutzy and slightly off equilibrium,
but I've been stumbling around, like I drink,
since I moved in here, and I don't drink.
-Paige, any health issues? -[Paige] Yeah, uh,
dizziness and balance, but the...
They warned us that would happen when we moved in here
because of the massive sinkhole.
-What? -[Paige] Yeah.
There's a massive sinkhole at the bottom of the street.
It's just a pond now, but it still was a massive sinkhole.
This all used to be level, it all sunk, like, over a hundred years ago.
[Amy] That's a sign the land is angry,
and that's not good for you guys.
[Steve] What else?
[Amy] When I was walking,
out back,
I heard, "Suicide."
I had the feeling that it was a male.
Then I am swinging around, and there's this little old lady over there.
She's, like, completely baffled and confused.
I think she would be in her late 70's, early 80's maybe.
I think that she died, uh, within the last 10 years.
I did then see, like, a flash of, uh, the ambulance.
And people were freaking out.
Well, there's something you're saying that makes a lot of sense.
And something you definitely need to know about.
There was a terrible tragedy in this house,
and it's the kind of thing you never get over.
The previous owners of the house
were Jennifer's in-laws and Paige's grandparents.
Kathy and David bought this place back in 2017.
Three years ago, Kathy and David
walked into the closet of the back bedroom.
David then pulled out a gun, shot Kathy and then shot himself.
Oh, my God.
Person who found the body was Paige.
[Amy] Ugh, I'm sorry.
Why don't you tell Amy a little bit about your grandparents?
They were incredible, amazing, hardworking people,
and they were a huge inspiration to not just me,
but everyone in the family.
You told me you felt that something here influenced their suicides.
Yes. They were extremely proud people.
You had mentioned to me about you felt their presence here.
Describe that to Amy for me, please?
I'll hear Kathy talk to me, say encouraging things.
And, um...
Don't hear from David very much, except for like, one incident,
when he came up behind me and kind of wrapped his arms around me, like, in a hug.
It's really,
really impactful for me. [sniffs]
Now, I have a photo of David and Kathy.
Uh, he was, what, 79?
And gra... Your grandma was, what? 74?
[Paige] Yes.
[Steve] Now, could Kathy be who you ran into?
No. I didn't know which house she was from,
but I knew she wasn't from here.
So, that's a good thing.
[Steve] All right, what else?
So, when I came in, immediately,
I was hearing fighting going on.
And that I believe was happening
with the individuals who are living here.
I saw a female storm off.
I feel like this woman wants out of here.
She wants to leave everybody and everything behind.
And she's kind of freaked out by some weird thoughts, uh, that she's having.
I got that this individual is predisposed to some depression,
and I sense that this is
a big problem here.
Well, that's one of the biggest reasons we were called in here.
These guys are at each other's throats.
And they think whatever's in the house could be causing the rage.
Things are so volatile
from the time that I've moved in.
I was having the craziest emotional episodes of, like, rage,
anger, pain.
Yeah, there's been times I've been that way, too,
but, it, um... I, I, I can't take any more screaming.
I have wanted to leave for a really long time.
The only reason I haven't is because
we are Paige's source of support.
I will always, always love my child
with every fiber of my being,
whether we ever get along again or not.
[Amy] Now, we're going to just dive into the big problem here.
What I saw was, like, this little gremlin-y looking thing.
It did used to be human,
which is interesting, but it's lost its humanity
over many, many, many, many years.
So, I did see that something was reaching down,
from the ceiling, and putting its hands inside a female's head.
-[Paige] Hmm. -[Amy] And, like,
massaging the brain.
Her reality is really, really, really skewed,
because this thing is, like, putting these weird
thoughts in her head,
and causing her to be paranoid and depressed and anxious.
[Steve] Jennifer, you told me you felt like something was reaching
inside of you and causing panic attacks.
-Mmm-hmm. -You could tell Amy about that?
It feels like something reaches in
and I've felt like it could read my mind
until it was me feeling fearful and angry and
rageful and paranoid.
So is that causing them to fight?
[Amy] Yes.
[Steve] All right, so, could this thing
have influenced Paige's grandparents?
[Amy] I think so.
[Steve] Okay, you described this thing as a gremlin.
Is that what it looks like?
I did have a sketch done of what I saw it doing.
That's kind of creepy, huh?
-[Jennifer] Oh, my God. -[Amy] Yeah, it's just...
It's really accurate.
So, do you think that's Jennifer that you're describing in the bed?
Yes.
[Steve] Well, this might explain some of the physical stuff
that's going on with these guys.
Tell her about the bruises you wake up with.
I wake up with
three finger bruises.
And they are always on the very insides of my arms.
And Paige, you got grabbed in the hallway.
I was alone in the house, and it felt like
I was grabbed by just a couple of fingertips
from behind, on the elbow, and just kind of tugged backwards.
And I was freaked out about it.
You also got scratched.
-Mmm-hmm. -Tell Amy about that. I got a photo here of it.
On her face.
-Mmm. -[Steve] Tell Amy about it.
[Jennifer] I felt a burning.
And, uh, that's...
That's what was there.
-Hmm. -[Steve] Now,
I don't know if it's related, but Jennifer's also seeing things.
Talk about the gray man for a second.
The gray man I have seen.
Why do you call him the gray man?
When I try to focus in and get his details,
he's gray with black markings.
Sometimes you'll feel him behind you,
staring, like, hate and malice and ill-will into you.
You mentioned about meditating and that's when you saw the frog-like thing.
-Mmm-hmm. -[Steve] Tell Amy about that.
Well, actually...
She'd made her own sketch.
-Ah! -[Steve] So, explain to Amy
what you seen and when you saw it.
[Jennifer] I saw it once.
He was really blobby and just, kind of,
a mass, and he just had a,
a froggy kind of shape and look.
And his eyes were so weird. They were, like,
the thick, bulbous froggy eyes.
Interesting, okay.
[Steve] Any chance this frog or the gray man
have something to do with the gremlin thing?
Yeah, I mean, they can do that.
They can project in different ways. Absolutely.
Now, it gets weird.
When I was in the main bedroom?
[Steve] That's where Paige is.
[Amy] Okay.
There was a lot of negative energy,
and had manipulated the thoughts of the female in there.
What it brought out in that female in there was hatred.
Like, pure hatred.
There has to have been some violent outburst on her part,
like, where she has [bleep] lost it.
Which definitely is being,
uh, manipulated by this thing,
to get worse.
She wants to hurt others.
I did have a dream Paige stabbed us with a knife,
or me, not my husband.
[Amy] Oh, my gosh.
What does this thing want of them, though?
-Besides causing mayhem? -[Amy] It's just a...
Yeah, it's just, that's the [bleep] it does.
It just manipulates people's thoughts
and causes problems, and that's what it's doing.
Now it's just vindictive. Now it's out of, like, revenge.
I won't let it push me to violence.
If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna have to do it the bloody hard way.
So, we've got a big problem.
Question is, can we kick this thing out
so you two can live in peace?
Or is time to pack up and get the hell out of here?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
[Amy] This is a big problem here,
but you can absolutely get this thing out.
I think it would be best though, to bring in a sensitive.
Then maybe it can be moved on,
versus, like, completely obliterated.
It's terrified of being obliterated,
'cause then it would cease to exist.
So, I think, if you guys have that intention,
it may even back off of what it's doing right now,
knowing, "I'm gonna get out of here.
"Somebody else is coming in, and it's gonna be a good thing,
"for everybody."
I was terrified, so that,
shocking as it is, is actually good news,
because he's defeatable.
[Amy] Mmm.
Very happy. [chuckles]
Once they get rid of this, will their health get better?
[Amy] Yes. Everybody'll be feeling a lot better.
And clear, clear-minded.
[Steve] What about the angry land?
[Amy] I was freaked out about it.
But I think you'll be okay now that you're aware of it.
-So that's a good thing. -Oh, yeah.
The other thing I wanna bring up is counseling.
Both of you guys need it for yourselves--
-[Paige] Mmm. -Mmm-hmm.
I think there's stuff, you guys, each, need to get rid of.
And then I think you guys need counseling together.
Y'all need to learn how to speak each other's language.
You also need to bury some [bleep]
that doesn't need to be existing anymore.
-Mmm. -[Amy] So you guys
could like, I don't know,
maybe have a good, functional, happy relationship.
I mean, I... I've been dying
-for personal therapy-- -Okay.
...since my grandparents died. And I would absolutely love to
be in counseling with her, because I don't have my grandma anymore.
-She's all I-- -And you want your mom.
Yeah.
So, Jennifer, you gonna take Amy's advice?
-Absolutely. -[Steve] Okay.
Good.
I am profoundly thankful for the information that has come forth,
and what to do about it.
I am extremely happy that it's something we can actually do something about.
It's relieving.
[Amy] I'm really glad we were able to come up with a solution
for Jennifer and Paige.
I believe if they contact a medium to get rid of the gremlin
and start family counseling, they will be well on their way
to finding the peace and happiness they deserve.
Hi, Dead Files. Update time.
So, I found a very sweet sensitive
who referred me to her team.
They came in, did a thorough check,
found everything, and it's all gone.
I can't tell you how excited I am.
For Paige and I, the future looks really good.
I'm not exaggerating when I say
that I could not be more grateful. Thank you, guys.