1 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,000 [eerie music playing] 2 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,500 [Amy] This thing is, like, putting these 3 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:15,367 weird thoughts in her head. 4 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:17,467 Getting her all worked up 5 00:00:18,867 --> 00:00:20,533 to act out. 6 00:00:20,533 --> 00:00:23,000 [Paige] She got a lot more explosive and volatile. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,367 Don't know what could be causing that. 8 00:00:25,367 --> 00:00:30,000 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,367 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part. 10 00:00:30,367 --> 00:00:32,367 [Jennifer] He shot her in the head, 11 00:00:32,367 --> 00:00:33,600 and then himself. 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,100 So it was a murder-suicide. 13 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:36,367 Yes. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,166 We will never know how many people were murdered that night. 15 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:44,467 It was reaching down from the ceiling, 16 00:00:44,467 --> 00:00:47,867 and putting its hands inside a female's head. 17 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:51,166 If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna have to do it the bloody hard way. 18 00:00:54,467 --> 00:00:58,700 [Amy] It just manipulates people's thoughts and causes problems. 19 00:00:58,700 --> 00:01:00,000 Now, it's out of, like, revenge. 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,900 Now, it's out of, like, revenge. 21 00:01:13,266 --> 00:01:14,066 [car door opens] 22 00:01:18,266 --> 00:01:19,233 [Amy] Oh, boy. 23 00:01:21,266 --> 00:01:23,233 I don't feel safe. 24 00:01:24,367 --> 00:01:28,734 The earth is not stable here. 25 00:01:28,734 --> 00:01:30,000 And it's, like, moving too fast. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,967 And it's, like, moving too fast. 27 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:36,367 And I feel sick. That sickness comes in. 28 00:01:36,367 --> 00:01:42,166 The land here, it's all about death. Like, everybody's dying. 29 00:01:42,166 --> 00:01:44,467 This is not a good situation. 30 00:01:51,367 --> 00:01:52,600 [Steve] I'm in Orlando, Florida. 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Locals call it the City Beautiful. And I can see why. 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,634 I got a call from a terrified woman named Jennifer. 33 00:01:58,634 --> 00:02:00,000 Says whatever's in the house killed her former in-laws, 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,500 Says whatever's in the house killed her former in-laws, 35 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,600 and now it wants her dead. 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,367 Jennifer says the activity is getting worse day by day, 37 00:02:06,367 --> 00:02:09,166 and it's trying to rip her and her daughter apart. 38 00:02:09,166 --> 00:02:11,634 I'm hoping Amy and I can help before it's too late. 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,533 So, I'm glad I'm here. I mean, I love Orlando. 40 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:20,000 It's a gorgeous area, but when we spoke on the phone, 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,066 you were basically saying, "I live in Hell." 42 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:23,467 What the hell's going on? 43 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:25,634 There is not, uh, one day 44 00:02:25,634 --> 00:02:29,700 where things are just completely normal and okay. 45 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:30,000 There's something very evil here. And it is trying to kill me. 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,066 There's something very evil here. And it is trying to kill me. 47 00:02:33,066 --> 00:02:35,467 And I believe that it has the power to do so. 48 00:02:35,467 --> 00:02:38,266 I am desperate. 49 00:02:38,266 --> 00:02:40,066 I need you guys. 50 00:02:40,066 --> 00:02:42,533 Let's get the basics. Who lives in the house? 51 00:02:43,634 --> 00:02:44,867 Myself. 52 00:02:44,867 --> 00:02:48,266 My husband, Ian, who's 47. 53 00:02:48,266 --> 00:02:51,700 My daughter Paige, from a previous relationship, who is 30. 54 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:53,166 [Steve] On the phone, you said whatever is here 55 00:02:53,166 --> 00:02:56,266 is trying to tear you and your daughter apart. What's going on? 56 00:02:56,266 --> 00:02:57,734 [Jennifer] It has devolved so badly 57 00:02:57,734 --> 00:03:00,000 that we can't be in the same room for very long. 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,467 that we can't be in the same room for very long. 59 00:03:00,467 --> 00:03:01,166 Really? 60 00:03:01,166 --> 00:03:02,266 Mmm. 61 00:03:02,266 --> 00:03:04,500 Do me a favor and give me a list of the stuff 62 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:06,433 you guys are experiencing here. 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,600 We hear strange noises. 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Our health is being attacked. 65 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,467 We're seeing shadow figures and apparitions. 66 00:03:13,467 --> 00:03:15,900 And we experience physical violence. 67 00:03:16,734 --> 00:03:18,266 So, Jen, when we spoke on the phone, 68 00:03:18,266 --> 00:03:21,700 you had mentioned a tragedy, um... [sighs] ...in this house. 69 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:22,800 What the hell happened? 70 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:29,634 My daughter's grandparents, Kathy and David, 71 00:03:30,367 --> 00:03:34,166 took their lives in my daughter's closet. 72 00:03:34,166 --> 00:03:37,500 He shot her in the head, and then himself. 73 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,100 So it was a murder-suicide. 74 00:03:39,100 --> 00:03:40,600 Yes. 75 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,700 And, so, how long ago did this happen? 76 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:43,734 Three years ago. 77 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:47,533 That is Kathy and David. 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,500 [Steve] They look really happy in this picture. It's sad. 79 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,467 You recall how old they might have been at the time this happened? 80 00:03:54,467 --> 00:03:56,734 -Late '70's. -[Steve] Okay. 81 00:03:56,734 --> 00:03:59,600 They were very proud, strong people 82 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,000 who had taken care of themselves and their entire families-- 83 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,367 who had taken care of themselves and their entire families-- 84 00:04:03,367 --> 00:04:04,367 -Okay. -[Jennifer] ...for the whole 85 00:04:04,367 --> 00:04:05,266 of their lives. 86 00:04:05,266 --> 00:04:07,533 And I don't think that was their decision. 87 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:09,700 Whose decision do you think it was then? 88 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:11,867 I think they were influenced. 89 00:04:11,867 --> 00:04:13,867 All right, so I just wanna get down to brass tacks here. 90 00:04:13,867 --> 00:04:17,734 You believe the paranormal had something to do with their suicides. 91 00:04:18,367 --> 00:04:19,500 I really do. 92 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:20,734 Okay. 93 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:26,634 [Amy] There is a very heavy atmosphere. 94 00:04:27,266 --> 00:04:30,000 Death is here. 95 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,233 Death is here. 96 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:34,066 Somebody died in this area. 97 00:04:34,066 --> 00:04:37,367 There's, like, some dead old lady over there. 98 00:04:37,367 --> 00:04:41,000 You know, she's probably, like, I don't know, 70? 99 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,500 She's, like, super confused, so I'm, like, trying to tell her that, like... 100 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:49,867 You know, I'm like, "Do you see the ambulance?" 101 00:04:49,867 --> 00:04:53,166 And she is like, "Yeah." 102 00:04:53,166 --> 00:04:56,166 And I'm like, "You need to go in the ambulance. 103 00:04:56,166 --> 00:04:58,266 "Like, that was for you." 104 00:04:58,266 --> 00:05:00,000 I think that she, 105 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,100 I think that she, 106 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:05,367 you know, maybe, like, had a sudden death. 107 00:05:05,367 --> 00:05:07,600 I think this was fairly recent. 108 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,100 I'd say, like, within the last 10 years. 109 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,867 Then there's also, uh, something about a suicide. 110 00:05:19,867 --> 00:05:25,266 Uh, I think a male who killed himself. Hmm. 111 00:05:32,266 --> 00:05:34,900 [Steve] Okay, so, what's going on around the house? 112 00:05:35,533 --> 00:05:38,867 I see an apparition often 113 00:05:38,867 --> 00:05:40,533 of an older white man, 114 00:05:40,533 --> 00:05:43,700 who says some pretty nasty things. 115 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:47,867 -[Steve] Like what? -He says that 116 00:05:47,867 --> 00:05:50,467 nobody would be here if it wasn't for him, 117 00:05:50,467 --> 00:05:53,500 that he owns all of this. 118 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:56,166 "And you're all here because of me." 119 00:05:57,266 --> 00:06:00,000 -Okay, anything else? -That same 120 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 -Okay, anything else? -That same 121 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,100 older gentleman has jumped me on a few occasions. 122 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:08,100 So when he jumps you like that, what happens? 123 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:12,166 I feel intense emotion that does not come from me. 124 00:06:12,166 --> 00:06:16,000 -Okay. -And I wind up screaming 125 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,600 -and yelling crazy things. -[Steve] That's interesting. 126 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,166 So what's coming out of your mouth, though, do you even know? 127 00:06:22,867 --> 00:06:24,367 I do know. 128 00:06:24,734 --> 00:06:26,467 Things like... 129 00:06:26,467 --> 00:06:29,600 "You don't appreciate me. You don't appreciate what I've done. 130 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,000 "You don't recognize what I've done. 131 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,533 "You don't recognize what I've done. 132 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:35,367 "I built everything, 133 00:06:35,367 --> 00:06:37,900 "and you do not appreciate me." 134 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:40,166 All right, anything else? 135 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:45,000 Something else in the house is influencing me emotionally. 136 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:51,100 I get very upset, paranoid, angry, sad, fearful. 137 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,634 [Steve] Now is this a different feeling from when you get jumped? 138 00:06:53,634 --> 00:06:56,166 [Jennifer] Yes. I'm not sure what it is, 139 00:06:56,166 --> 00:07:00,000 I just wind up being really angry with myself, that I'm failing. 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,100 I just wind up being really angry with myself, that I'm failing. 141 00:07:02,367 --> 00:07:03,700 All right, so I gotta ask, 142 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:06,000 could it be medications you're on that are making you feel like this? 143 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,066 No. 144 00:07:07,066 --> 00:07:09,066 What do you think its purpose is, to do that to you? 145 00:07:09,066 --> 00:07:11,266 -To drive you nuts? -[Jennifer] Yes. 146 00:07:11,266 --> 00:07:13,867 -Okay. -And to 147 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:17,100 make my family think I'm completely unhinged 148 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:20,166 and so, therefore, they should discount what I say. 149 00:07:20,166 --> 00:07:22,500 Which causes more friction between you and your daughter. 150 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:23,734 A great deal. 151 00:07:25,367 --> 00:07:26,333 [door opens] 152 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:33,000 [Amy] Uh, I think this is living people. 153 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,533 Male and a female, and they're having a really loud fight. 154 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:41,000 Bad. 155 00:07:42,533 --> 00:07:44,166 So there's fighting, fighting, fighting, 156 00:07:44,166 --> 00:07:46,734 and then the female storming off that way. 157 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:51,367 She's got brown hair. 158 00:07:51,367 --> 00:07:53,233 And I hear, "Jessica." 159 00:07:54,266 --> 00:07:57,266 I'm hearing a male being, like, 160 00:07:57,266 --> 00:07:59,266 "You're just losing your mind." 161 00:07:59,266 --> 00:08:00,000 You know, "You're losing your mind." 162 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,367 You know, "You're losing your mind." 163 00:08:02,367 --> 00:08:05,333 This, this living person is crying. 164 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:07,433 Okay. 165 00:08:10,166 --> 00:08:13,100 Something's up. They have an attic. 166 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:15,734 I see this, like, little thing. 167 00:08:18,266 --> 00:08:19,533 It's, like, hiding. 168 00:08:20,867 --> 00:08:22,000 [Mathew] What is? 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,967 [Amy] It's, like, a little, like, gremlin-y looking thing. 170 00:08:24,967 --> 00:08:28,266 It doesn't wanna be found. 171 00:08:28,266 --> 00:08:29,867 [Mathew] Does this have any effect on the living? 172 00:08:29,867 --> 00:08:30,000 [Amy] Yeah, it's bad. 173 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,533 [Amy] Yeah, it's bad. 174 00:08:39,734 --> 00:08:42,000 [Steve] All right, Jennifer, I'm assuming this is your own bedroom? 175 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:42,734 [Jennifer] Yes. 176 00:08:42,734 --> 00:08:44,166 [Steve] Okay, so what's going on? 177 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:46,266 I have 178 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:50,734 seen a dark figure that looks very much 179 00:08:50,734 --> 00:08:55,500 like a big, giant frog. It's about the size of a human toddler. 180 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:58,500 Okay, so, I'm trying to figure out what this would look like. 181 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,000 I actually drew it. 182 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,734 I actually drew it. 183 00:09:01,467 --> 00:09:02,734 -Like a sketch? -[Jennifer] Yes. 184 00:09:06,367 --> 00:09:09,266 [Steve] Wow. It looks like a frog. 185 00:09:09,266 --> 00:09:11,867 I'm afraid to even ask, but what else? 186 00:09:11,867 --> 00:09:15,734 I keep waking up with bruises on my body. 187 00:09:15,734 --> 00:09:18,367 I have a photo of one of the bruises 188 00:09:18,367 --> 00:09:20,467 that were left on the inside of my arm. 189 00:09:20,467 --> 00:09:23,166 -[Steve] Okay. -[Jennifer] It's usually 190 00:09:23,166 --> 00:09:24,734 three bruises together. 191 00:09:24,734 --> 00:09:26,867 -[Steve] Okay. -[Jennifer] Like this. 192 00:09:26,867 --> 00:09:29,000 You have wood tables here. Everything is wood. 193 00:09:30,166 --> 00:09:32,367 Yeah, I do get bruises from those. But it's always 194 00:09:32,367 --> 00:09:34,100 -on the outside. -Okay. 195 00:09:34,867 --> 00:09:36,734 All right, anything else like this happen? 196 00:09:36,734 --> 00:09:40,166 I felt a burning sensation on my cheek. 197 00:09:40,166 --> 00:09:41,166 -Okay. -[Jennifer] And I found 198 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:44,100 a scratch on my face. 199 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:46,066 [Steve] This could have been an allergic reaction to something? 200 00:09:46,066 --> 00:09:47,100 No. 201 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:48,000 -No. -[Jennifer] My face gets red 202 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,867 when I have allergic reactions. 203 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:52,367 But it doesn't... Not in, like, one little spot. 204 00:09:52,367 --> 00:09:54,266 All right, so, what else is going on? 205 00:09:54,266 --> 00:09:58,000 There is an apparition that I see 206 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 that is a tall, gray man, giving off a feeling of hate. 207 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,367 that is a tall, gray man, giving off a feeling of hate. 208 00:10:03,367 --> 00:10:05,166 [Steve] Okay, what's he look like? 209 00:10:05,166 --> 00:10:08,467 He's disproportionate in that his legs are very long, 210 00:10:08,467 --> 00:10:11,266 his arms are very long. And the torso is very long. 211 00:10:11,266 --> 00:10:12,700 [Steve] Okay. 212 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:14,600 And it just looks odd. 213 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Do you think this is the thing or person that 214 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,500 caused your in-laws to do what they did? 215 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:23,000 And causing all the havoc that's going on here? 216 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,500 And maybe wanting to kill you? 217 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:25,533 I do. 218 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:29,367 I think he wants people to do harm-- 219 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:30,000 -[Steve] Right. -...and hurt others 220 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,467 -[Steve] Right. -...and hurt others 221 00:10:31,467 --> 00:10:32,967 and themselves. 222 00:10:32,967 --> 00:10:35,634 What are you hoping you can get out of our investigation, now that we're here? 223 00:10:36,967 --> 00:10:39,600 I'm not sure it's even possible anymore, 224 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,700 but I would love 225 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:45,000 to have my normal relationship back with my daughter 226 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,634 -for one. -Hmm. 227 00:10:46,634 --> 00:10:51,367 And I would just love to be able to live every day without being attacked. 228 00:10:55,367 --> 00:10:56,867 [Amy] That gremlin looking thing 229 00:10:56,867 --> 00:11:00,000 is torturing the living woman in this room. 230 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,100 is torturing the living woman in this room. 231 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:04,533 I did see, like, arms reaching through the ceiling. 232 00:11:04,967 --> 00:11:07,867 Like, dangling down, 233 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:09,700 going into a female's head, 234 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:13,066 and, like, I think she's asleep. 235 00:11:13,734 --> 00:11:17,867 And they're causing, um, issues. 236 00:11:17,867 --> 00:11:21,266 So, like, weird visions. I don't think they're good. 237 00:11:21,266 --> 00:11:25,367 More like having visions of, like bad things are about to happen. 238 00:11:25,367 --> 00:11:29,000 Like, to family or friends. Themselves. 239 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 And I think it's working. I think this person's become very 240 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,367 And I think it's working. I think this person's become very 241 00:11:32,367 --> 00:11:34,467 scared and neurotic. 242 00:11:34,467 --> 00:11:38,734 Her reality is really, really, really skewed, 243 00:11:38,734 --> 00:11:43,333 because this thing is, like, putting these weird 244 00:11:43,867 --> 00:11:45,800 thoughts in her head, 245 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,700 and causing her to be paranoid and depressed and anxious. 246 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:52,800 This is bad. 247 00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:16,166 So, Paige, let me just start off by 248 00:12:16,166 --> 00:12:19,000 extending my condolences about what happened with your grandparents. 249 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,500 Thank you. I appreciate that. 250 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:23,533 [Steve] What kind of people were your grandparents? 251 00:12:23,533 --> 00:12:26,315 They were... [sighs] They were really special people. 252 00:12:26,315 --> 00:12:26,467 They were... [sighs] They were really special people. 253 00:12:26,467 --> 00:12:29,367 They were very dedicated parents, 254 00:12:29,367 --> 00:12:33,500 they were hard working. They were my inspiration. 255 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:35,634 I understand your grandparents committed suicide 256 00:12:35,634 --> 00:12:37,166 somewhere in this room in a closet? 257 00:12:37,166 --> 00:12:40,066 [Paige] Yeah, the master bedroom closet, it's back that way. 258 00:12:40,066 --> 00:12:41,800 -[Steve] Okay. -[Paige] It's a big walk-in. 259 00:12:42,734 --> 00:12:44,533 Do you even think your grandparents are here? 260 00:12:44,533 --> 00:12:47,166 I think that's entirely possible. 261 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:50,100 Okay, so, if you can, 262 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:53,000 Paige, give me, um, some of the experiences you've had. 263 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,315 There was a lot of things that I would do and say 264 00:12:56,315 --> 00:12:57,634 There was a lot of things that I would do and say 265 00:12:57,634 --> 00:13:01,533 that I would be told that I... Aren't part of my character. 266 00:13:01,533 --> 00:13:06,100 It just felt like something else might be influencing that. 267 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:08,166 [Steve] Your mom mentioned she's going through something similar. 268 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:11,066 When it happens with you, though, what are we talking about? 269 00:13:11,066 --> 00:13:14,166 Like, yelling, as if, like, 270 00:13:14,166 --> 00:13:16,867 the people I love are somebody else. 271 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:20,266 It's like I would forget for a minute who they were. 272 00:13:20,266 --> 00:13:24,233 Has your relationship with mom changed since she's moved here? 273 00:13:24,367 --> 00:13:25,734 Yes. 274 00:13:25,734 --> 00:13:26,315 There just seemed to be a lot more miscommunication, misunderstandings, 275 00:13:26,315 --> 00:13:29,734 There just seemed to be a lot more miscommunication, misunderstandings, 276 00:13:29,734 --> 00:13:32,367 but she got a lot more explosive and volatile, 277 00:13:32,367 --> 00:13:34,233 and I don't know what could be causing that. 278 00:13:39,367 --> 00:13:43,266 [Amy groans] Really negative energy. 279 00:13:43,266 --> 00:13:44,734 Very negative. 280 00:13:46,166 --> 00:13:48,166 Absolute hatred. 281 00:13:48,166 --> 00:13:52,000 "Can't get out of here. There's no way out. I've gotta get out of here. " 282 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,734 This is the female. 283 00:13:53,734 --> 00:13:56,315 "Bad [bleep] gonna go down. Bad things." 284 00:13:56,315 --> 00:13:56,533 "Bad [bleep] gonna go down. Bad things." 285 00:13:57,166 --> 00:13:59,734 Okay, so this does concern me. 286 00:13:59,734 --> 00:14:04,266 So, that gremlin looking thing is also messing with the living woman in this room. 287 00:14:04,266 --> 00:14:06,066 I just see the hands coming down, 288 00:14:06,066 --> 00:14:08,533 coming down, coming down, wherever, wherever, wherever. 289 00:14:08,533 --> 00:14:11,166 Coming down, manipulating her thoughts, 290 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:15,467 getting her all worked up to act out. 291 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:16,734 Why is it doing that? 292 00:14:16,734 --> 00:14:20,166 Well, now it's just pissed, so it's just, like, 293 00:14:20,166 --> 00:14:23,000 "I'm just gonna do this." You know, like, "[bleep] you, bitch." 294 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,367 Has she acted on that, or tried to act on that? 295 00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:26,315 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part, 296 00:14:26,315 --> 00:14:30,166 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part, 297 00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:32,367 like, where she has [bleep] lost it. 298 00:14:32,367 --> 00:14:36,867 Which definitely is being, 299 00:14:36,867 --> 00:14:39,967 uh, manipulated by this thing, 300 00:14:39,967 --> 00:14:41,734 to get worse. 301 00:14:41,734 --> 00:14:43,467 She wants to hurt others. 302 00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:46,266 That's not good. 303 00:14:51,266 --> 00:14:52,967 All right, anything else you could tell me about? 304 00:14:52,967 --> 00:14:55,266 I've been grabbed a few times, 305 00:14:55,266 --> 00:14:56,315 I mean, definitely a couple of times. 306 00:14:56,315 --> 00:14:57,166 I mean, definitely a couple of times. 307 00:14:57,166 --> 00:14:59,367 Distinctively felt like fingertips. 308 00:14:59,367 --> 00:15:01,634 Okay, so where did this happen? Give me an example. 309 00:15:01,634 --> 00:15:04,166 Hallway leading to the garage, right there. 310 00:15:04,166 --> 00:15:06,967 I was grabbed and pulled by my elbow. 311 00:15:06,967 --> 00:15:10,734 So how hard are we talking? Grab my elbow, just give me an idea. 312 00:15:12,533 --> 00:15:14,533 -All right, so not too hard. -No, not too hard. 313 00:15:14,533 --> 00:15:16,500 It was just enough to... 314 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:18,367 Firm pinch and pull. 315 00:15:18,367 --> 00:15:20,266 Like they were trying to get my attention. 316 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:21,967 Anything else like that happen? 317 00:15:21,967 --> 00:15:22,800 [Paige] I woke up, 318 00:15:23,634 --> 00:15:25,867 and noticed bruising on my neck. 319 00:15:25,867 --> 00:15:26,315 What kind of bruise was it? Was it like finger marks? 320 00:15:26,315 --> 00:15:28,066 What kind of bruise was it? Was it like finger marks? 321 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:29,900 Was it just a blotch? 322 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:31,967 There was only a few finger marks. 323 00:15:31,967 --> 00:15:32,967 -So it-- -So it looked like 324 00:15:32,967 --> 00:15:34,166 somebody grabbed you and tried to choke you. 325 00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:36,533 -Right, -What do you think 326 00:15:36,533 --> 00:15:37,533 it could be? 327 00:15:37,533 --> 00:15:41,967 Whatever part of what's here feels, like, 328 00:15:41,967 --> 00:15:44,066 pure hatred and malice. 329 00:15:44,967 --> 00:15:46,100 Okay. 330 00:15:50,734 --> 00:15:54,533 [Amy] There's this woman here, living. 331 00:15:54,533 --> 00:15:56,315 She brought that thing. 332 00:15:56,315 --> 00:15:56,734 She brought that thing. 333 00:15:56,734 --> 00:16:00,166 This feels like within the last four or five years. 334 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:03,100 Something about four or five years. 335 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:07,266 It didn't attach to her, it's more like she grabbed it. 336 00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:09,266 She collected it. 337 00:16:09,266 --> 00:16:12,734 I think she might have wanted to be haunted. 338 00:16:13,734 --> 00:16:17,734 She had issues throughout her life. 339 00:16:17,734 --> 00:16:23,100 Something about death happening near, with her, recently. 340 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:25,634 I would say in the last two or three years. 341 00:16:26,867 --> 00:16:28,900 Now this gremlin looking thing has gone over there 342 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:30,900 and it's [bleep] with the other woman. 343 00:16:35,266 --> 00:16:37,800 [Steve] So, I just got a call from the local historian. 344 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,166 He did some digging, 345 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:42,000 and found out that one of the first owners of Jennifer's land, 346 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,467 dreamed of turning it into a huge development. 347 00:16:44,467 --> 00:16:46,700 But the second he put the money together to do it, 348 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:48,467 tragedy struck. 349 00:16:48,467 --> 00:16:50,166 I'm heading over to meet with him to find out 350 00:16:50,166 --> 00:16:51,734 exactly what happened. 351 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:58,367 Well, Richard, I appreciate you meeting with me 352 00:16:58,367 --> 00:17:00,266 and helping me out on this case. 353 00:17:00,266 --> 00:17:02,166 All right, let's get right to it. Who is this guy? 354 00:17:02,166 --> 00:17:03,092 His name was Walter Washington Rose. 355 00:17:03,092 --> 00:17:05,700 His name was Walter Washington Rose. 356 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:08,367 He was born in Athens, Georgia, in 1887, 357 00:17:08,367 --> 00:17:10,367 to a political family in the area. 358 00:17:10,367 --> 00:17:13,367 [Steve] Okay. So, when does he make it out to Orlando? 359 00:17:13,367 --> 00:17:15,266 The first time we really hear about 360 00:17:15,266 --> 00:17:19,867 Walter moving to the Central Florida area is in 1909. 361 00:17:19,867 --> 00:17:21,867 [Steve] Now, on the phone, you mentioned he was a land developer. 362 00:17:21,867 --> 00:17:23,066 Is that right? 363 00:17:23,066 --> 00:17:25,266 [Richard] Yeah, he was buying large tracts of land 364 00:17:25,266 --> 00:17:28,166 and developing some of the most popular subdivisions in Orlando. 365 00:17:28,166 --> 00:17:31,600 In some of the business dealings that he had in real estate, 366 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,092 it stipulated that the owners of the land had to be white. 367 00:17:33,092 --> 00:17:35,166 it stipulated that the owners of the land had to be white. 368 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:37,800 [Steve] All right, Richard, let me ask you a question. 369 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,000 When does he wind up buying my client's property? 370 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,166 Well, in 1925, he ends up buying 380 acres 371 00:17:44,166 --> 00:17:47,166 of what was, then, unincorporated West Orange County, 372 00:17:47,166 --> 00:17:49,100 which included the property of your client. 373 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:52,367 Walter's dream at the time was to build another popular community, 374 00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:55,266 in Central Florida, called Rose Hill Groves. 375 00:17:55,266 --> 00:17:59,000 It took 33 years for him to secure the financing 376 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,500 to build Rose Hill Groves. 377 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:02,533 It wasn't until 1958, 378 00:18:02,533 --> 00:18:03,092 that he had everything in place to break ground. 379 00:18:03,092 --> 00:18:04,967 that he had everything in place to break ground. 380 00:18:04,967 --> 00:18:07,467 He finally gets the financing together in 1958, 381 00:18:07,467 --> 00:18:09,967 but you said on the phone that's when tragedy struck. What happened? 382 00:18:09,967 --> 00:18:13,500 Well, in the early morning hours of August 30th, 1958, 383 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:15,266 Walter wakes up in the middle of the night. 384 00:18:15,266 --> 00:18:17,367 -He's in severe pain. -Okay. 385 00:18:17,367 --> 00:18:20,600 So he gets up out of bed, his wife Stella doesn't think anything of it. 386 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,600 -Okay. -Eventually, she finds him 387 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,166 lying dead in the bathroom. In fact, this is his obituary. 388 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:31,100 Walter Rose was 71 years old, when he died of a heart attack. 389 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,092 All right, so what happens to the 380 acres? 390 00:18:33,092 --> 00:18:33,600 All right, so what happens to the 380 acres? 391 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,533 Well, unfortunately, after Walter dies, 392 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:38,634 -his dream does with him. -Okay. 393 00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:42,634 His wife holds on to the property for another 30 years. 394 00:18:42,634 --> 00:18:45,600 It's never developed. And in 1985, 395 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,600 she ends up selling it to another land development company. 396 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,634 And that company, eventually, ends up 397 00:18:50,634 --> 00:18:53,266 building your client's home in 1986. 398 00:18:53,266 --> 00:18:54,867 Wow, okay. 399 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,233 [Amy] There's something about the earth here, that's so unstable. 400 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,092 It's become angry, violent. 401 00:19:03,092 --> 00:19:05,000 It's become angry, violent. 402 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,066 There's some kind of movement, and it's not safe. 403 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:13,367 There was, like, this whoosh of illness, 404 00:19:13,367 --> 00:19:17,634 which I think has to do with the earth. 405 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:22,266 The living, maybe they're having equilibrium problems. 406 00:19:22,266 --> 00:19:26,467 Equilibrium issue can also cause some nausea. 407 00:19:26,467 --> 00:19:29,166 Do you think people are in danger because of this? 408 00:19:29,166 --> 00:19:31,166 I kind of think so. 409 00:19:31,166 --> 00:19:32,166 Like, what could happen? 410 00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:33,092 I don't know. But I don't feel safe. 411 00:19:33,092 --> 00:19:34,233 I don't know. But I don't feel safe. 412 00:19:38,166 --> 00:19:39,600 [Steve] So I reached out to a local PI, 413 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,467 and told her about what happened with Jennifer's in-laws. 414 00:19:43,266 --> 00:19:44,533 She did some digging and found 415 00:19:44,533 --> 00:19:47,800 two more murder-suicides right near the house. 416 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,634 I gotta say, for a small town, this is very unusual. 417 00:19:57,266 --> 00:20:00,367 So, Ting, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate that. 418 00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:02,634 Let's start with the first case. What did you find out? 419 00:20:02,634 --> 00:20:03,092 [Ting] So, it's said to be a 41-year-old female 420 00:20:03,092 --> 00:20:04,600 [Ting] So, it's said to be a 41-year-old female 421 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,266 by the name of Wanda Gayford. 422 00:20:06,266 --> 00:20:07,266 -Okay. -[Ting] And her husband, 423 00:20:07,266 --> 00:20:09,266 that's 34-year-old Andrew. 424 00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:11,100 They married in 1997, 425 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:14,166 and lived right around the corner from your client's home. 426 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:17,367 They were married for only six months, when things went bad. 427 00:20:17,367 --> 00:20:20,266 Andrew was arrested for domestic battery, 428 00:20:20,266 --> 00:20:22,800 because he threw Wanda up against a wall in their home. 429 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,600 [Steve] So this guy sounds like a real piece of work. 430 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,166 So, does he do time? Or does he get out? 431 00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:28,867 He only spends the night in jail. 432 00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:32,166 And in the morning, his arraignment, they release him on bond 433 00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:33,092 and tell him to stay away from Wanda. 434 00:20:33,092 --> 00:20:34,367 and tell him to stay away from Wanda. 435 00:20:34,367 --> 00:20:36,467 So, he didn't stay away, obviously. 436 00:20:36,467 --> 00:20:39,266 That is correct. So, on the morning of September 29th, 437 00:20:39,266 --> 00:20:40,900 things turned deadly. 438 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:44,467 He goes home, and they actually have an argument, outside on the driveway, 439 00:20:44,467 --> 00:20:47,166 for about 30 minutes, according to eye witnesses. 440 00:20:47,166 --> 00:20:49,266 And the argument escalates. 441 00:20:49,266 --> 00:20:51,266 He pulls a gun out from his trunk. 442 00:20:51,266 --> 00:20:53,600 Wanda sees this, jumps in her vehicle, 443 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,066 drives across the neighbor's yard to get away. 444 00:20:56,066 --> 00:20:58,100 And he fires six shots at her. 445 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:59,734 Okay, so does she get hit? 446 00:20:59,734 --> 00:21:01,700 So, one of the rounds actually hits her, 447 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:03,092 and she crashes her vehicle into a nearby vehicle. 448 00:21:03,092 --> 00:21:04,600 and she crashes her vehicle into a nearby vehicle. 449 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,367 -Okay. -So he jumps in his vehicle, 450 00:21:06,367 --> 00:21:11,266 pulls up next to her and shoots her at point blank range. 451 00:21:11,266 --> 00:21:12,800 -Okay. -[Ting] And flees the scene. 452 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,000 So, Wanda was rushed to the hospital, 453 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,867 and was announced dead on arrival. 454 00:21:16,867 --> 00:21:19,533 Okay, so he takes off. He's on the run at this point. 455 00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:21,533 Yes, he's on the run for the next several days, 456 00:21:21,533 --> 00:21:24,000 and he actually makes it all the way up to New Jersey. 457 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,467 -Okay. -Along the way somewhere, 458 00:21:25,467 --> 00:21:29,367 he ditches the vehicle, and calls a friend to bring him back to Florida. 459 00:21:29,367 --> 00:21:30,533 And on the way back to Florida, 460 00:21:30,533 --> 00:21:32,734 they stop at a gas station in Georgia. 461 00:21:32,734 --> 00:21:33,092 His friend's in the convenience store. 462 00:21:33,092 --> 00:21:34,166 His friend's in the convenience store. 463 00:21:34,166 --> 00:21:36,600 Andrew walks outside, around the corner of the store. 464 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,100 With the gun that he shot Wanda with, 465 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:40,166 he shoots himself with in the head. 466 00:21:40,166 --> 00:21:42,000 [Steve] All right, so he took the coward's way out, 467 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,467 knowing he was gonna go back to Florida and wind up getting arrested. 468 00:21:44,467 --> 00:21:45,367 [Ting] Yes. 469 00:21:45,367 --> 00:21:46,700 So, now, you mentioned on the phone, 470 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,967 there was another murder-suicide. 471 00:21:48,967 --> 00:21:51,600 Yeah, so this one's gonna be an attempted murder-suicide, 472 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,967 involving a 25-year-old female by the name of Bessie Joyner 473 00:21:54,967 --> 00:21:57,166 and her 32-year-old husband, Orville. 474 00:21:57,166 --> 00:21:58,467 They worked at a filling station 475 00:21:58,467 --> 00:22:01,000 that's only a mile and a half away from your client's home. 476 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,092 Okay, so now we got another husband and wife. What happened? 477 00:22:03,092 --> 00:22:03,700 Okay, so now we got another husband and wife. What happened? 478 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,100 So, on March 16th, 1930, 479 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:07,600 while in the apartment, 480 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,734 Bessie and Orville, basically, get in an argument. 481 00:22:10,734 --> 00:22:13,533 And Orville threatens her life. 482 00:22:13,533 --> 00:22:14,634 -Okay, -[Ting] So she takes 483 00:22:14,634 --> 00:22:17,734 a single barrel shotgun and shoots him in the back. 484 00:22:17,734 --> 00:22:19,867 Okay. Now, does that kill him? 485 00:22:19,867 --> 00:22:24,266 It does not. So, he is taken to a nearby doctor, and he survives. 486 00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:26,367 All right, so he's shot, he survives. 487 00:22:26,367 --> 00:22:28,100 Now, now what happens with her? 488 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:32,266 Well, she tells the officers that she shot him because it was self-defense. 489 00:22:32,266 --> 00:22:33,092 So, in the middle of the interview, 490 00:22:33,092 --> 00:22:33,700 So, in the middle of the interview, 491 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,166 she gets up and walks to the bedroom, 492 00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:38,867 finds a razor and slits her own throat. 493 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,900 [Steve] She wind up not successfully killing her husband, 494 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:44,700 but wind up killing herself. 495 00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:45,800 -That is correct. -[Steve] In a pretty 496 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,166 brutal fashion. 497 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:54,734 [Amy] I encountered a female. 498 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,066 Between maybe 18 and 25 years old. She's white. 499 00:23:00,066 --> 00:23:03,092 I don't think that she died naturally. 500 00:23:03,092 --> 00:23:03,433 I don't think that she died naturally. 501 00:23:04,533 --> 00:23:08,700 I would put her between the 1920s and the 1950s. 502 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,533 She's extremely depressed, 503 00:23:11,533 --> 00:23:15,634 and I'm nervous, because she's become... 504 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:17,634 ...angry. 505 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,800 For more information about the show, 506 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,367 and if you need us to investigate 507 00:23:23,367 --> 00:23:25,166 unexplained activity in your home... 508 00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:28,600 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 509 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,100 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 510 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:32,367 and we'll help if we can. 511 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,166 [Steve] So far, I have a client 512 00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:42,166 terrified something paranormal is out to kill her, 513 00:23:42,166 --> 00:23:45,100 on a property where there was a recent murder suicide. 514 00:23:45,967 --> 00:23:47,634 But I wanna see if there's anything else. 515 00:23:50,367 --> 00:23:51,734 Searching through the archives, 516 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:55,634 I find the horrific story about a racially motivated massacre 517 00:23:55,634 --> 00:23:58,000 that sent shock waves through the area. 518 00:24:01,266 --> 00:24:02,744 So, I'm heading over to meet the chief curator of a local museum. 519 00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:04,900 So, I'm heading over to meet the chief curator of a local museum. 520 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:09,367 She told me it all started when one Black man stood up for his right to vote. 521 00:24:18,066 --> 00:24:21,100 So, Pam, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 522 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:24,100 Now, on the phone, you mentioned this one guy looking for justice, 523 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:27,100 kind of made this thing go over the top. Who was this guy? 524 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,000 So, a man by the name of Moses Norman, 525 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,166 who was, uh, a business man and a labor broker 526 00:24:31,166 --> 00:24:32,734 -in the city of Ocoee. -Okay. 527 00:24:32,734 --> 00:24:32,744 And so, on November 2nd, 1920, 528 00:24:32,744 --> 00:24:34,867 And so, on November 2nd, 1920, 529 00:24:34,867 --> 00:24:37,166 he went out to try to exercise his right to vote, 530 00:24:37,166 --> 00:24:38,867 and he was turned away at the polls. 531 00:24:38,867 --> 00:24:41,367 And that is what sort of kicked off the series of events. 532 00:24:41,367 --> 00:24:43,467 Pam, why was he turned away? What reason? 533 00:24:43,467 --> 00:24:46,367 We don't necessarily know, uh, but the understanding 534 00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:48,533 is that he believed he had the legal right to vote, 535 00:24:48,533 --> 00:24:50,967 others thought that he'd maybe not met those obligations. 536 00:24:50,967 --> 00:24:54,066 All right. So he gets turned away. What happens next? 537 00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:56,867 So there was a, uh, armed mob of white men, 538 00:24:56,867 --> 00:24:59,166 who were deputized, who went out to Ocoee. 539 00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:00,734 Uh, they didn't go to the home of Moses Norman, 540 00:25:00,734 --> 00:25:02,744 they went to the home of his, uh, fellow labor broker 541 00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:02,967 they went to the home of his, uh, fellow labor broker 542 00:25:02,967 --> 00:25:06,100 and, uh, friend, who was also Black, named July Perry. 543 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:09,467 [Steve] So, I'm assuming they went to this guy's house looking for Moses? 544 00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:10,800 [Pamela] Yes. 545 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,900 Okay, so, I know, back then in Florida, the KKK was pretty prevalent. 546 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,467 Uh, did they have anything to do with this? 547 00:25:15,467 --> 00:25:16,433 Absolutely. 548 00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:18,634 And we actually have a really incredible archive 549 00:25:18,634 --> 00:25:20,100 from our collection, 550 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:23,266 which is a letter from the Ku Klux Klan to the local white politicians, 551 00:25:23,266 --> 00:25:28,367 essentially telling them to stop educating Black voters. 552 00:25:28,367 --> 00:25:32,367 Okay, so now this deputized mob is at July's house. 553 00:25:32,367 --> 00:25:32,744 What happened? 554 00:25:32,744 --> 00:25:33,266 What happened? 555 00:25:33,266 --> 00:25:35,266 July Perry is shot multiple times. 556 00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:38,266 While he does manage to escape out the back side of his house, 557 00:25:38,266 --> 00:25:39,533 the mob gets him. 558 00:25:39,533 --> 00:25:42,100 They, uh, brought him over to the Orange County jail, 559 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:44,467 where, supposedly, he received some medical attention, 560 00:25:44,467 --> 00:25:46,000 and was placed into a jail cell. 561 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,266 And what happens after that? 562 00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:48,533 The white mob comes back. 563 00:25:48,533 --> 00:25:51,533 Uh, they actually come into the jail and overpower the jailor, 564 00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:54,734 taking his keys, and remove July Perry from his jail cell. 565 00:25:54,734 --> 00:25:56,967 Where they then take him outside, beat him, 566 00:25:56,967 --> 00:25:58,900 and then drag him behind a car, 567 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:00,967 uh, before they lynch him and hang him, 568 00:26:00,967 --> 00:26:02,744 and then riddle his body with bullet holes. 569 00:26:02,744 --> 00:26:02,800 and then riddle his body with bullet holes. 570 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,634 It sounds like these guys were crazy. 571 00:26:04,634 --> 00:26:06,867 I mean, it didn't end there, I assume. 572 00:26:06,867 --> 00:26:08,533 No, the violence actually continued 573 00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:10,900 all into the morning hours of the next day. 574 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:14,967 At the site in Ocoee, there were still people there burning homes, 575 00:26:14,967 --> 00:26:17,367 killing others, uh, and creating a perimeter. 576 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:20,333 Uh, we actually have a headline from the next day. 577 00:26:20,634 --> 00:26:21,734 [Steve] Okay. 578 00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:25,533 [Steve reads headline aloud] 579 00:26:25,533 --> 00:26:26,734 Is that correct? 580 00:26:26,734 --> 00:26:27,900 Part of the horror of this event 581 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:29,867 is that intentionally, we will never know 582 00:26:29,867 --> 00:26:32,000 the number of how many people were murdered. 583 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,744 Estimates range from 30 to 50. 584 00:26:32,744 --> 00:26:34,000 Estimates range from 30 to 50. 585 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,100 But all that we can factually say is four individuals, 586 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:38,867 July Perry and three additional, 587 00:26:38,867 --> 00:26:40,467 uh, were murdered that night. 588 00:26:40,467 --> 00:26:43,100 All right, was Moses among those three? 589 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:46,066 No. There was a story that Moses died that night, 590 00:26:46,066 --> 00:26:47,533 but through genealogical research, 591 00:26:47,533 --> 00:26:49,467 we were able to find out that he actually survived 592 00:26:49,467 --> 00:26:50,967 and was later found in New York City. 593 00:26:50,967 --> 00:26:52,467 -Really? -Yes. 594 00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:54,967 Okay, so, let me ask you a question. 595 00:26:54,967 --> 00:26:56,867 You got me in a courtroom here. 596 00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:58,367 Was anyone charged? 597 00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:01,166 The FBI did an investigation about voting fraud, 598 00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:02,744 but never an investigation about the massacre. 599 00:27:02,744 --> 00:27:03,467 but never an investigation about the massacre. 600 00:27:03,467 --> 00:27:05,533 And yet, nobody was ever, uh, 601 00:27:05,533 --> 00:27:07,533 held responsible for the events of that night. 602 00:27:07,533 --> 00:27:08,734 Wow, okay. 603 00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:15,734 [intense music playing] 604 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:21,367 [Amy] I saw several horrifying things on my walk. 605 00:27:21,367 --> 00:27:24,634 But the gremlin looking creature, tormenting the living woman, 606 00:27:24,634 --> 00:27:27,000 concerns me the most. 607 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,900 There's a female that's in a bed. 608 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:32,744 You can see arms coming from the ceiling. 609 00:27:32,744 --> 00:27:34,867 You can see arms coming from the ceiling. 610 00:27:34,867 --> 00:27:37,100 So, they're longer than average. 611 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:40,800 So, the hands are going inside this person's head. 612 00:27:42,467 --> 00:27:45,266 Anything about the woman's facial expression? 613 00:27:45,266 --> 00:27:46,900 I want her to be asleep, 614 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:48,634 so sleeping face. 615 00:27:48,634 --> 00:27:52,266 The hair's back, I think it's, like, parted in the middle. 616 00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:53,433 -[suspenseful music plays] -[pen scratches] 617 00:28:01,734 --> 00:28:02,744 Amy, is this what you saw? 618 00:28:02,744 --> 00:28:03,867 Amy, is this what you saw? 619 00:28:03,867 --> 00:28:04,634 [suspenseful music builds] 620 00:28:05,367 --> 00:28:06,734 Yes. 621 00:28:08,867 --> 00:28:10,533 [crickets chirping] 622 00:28:16,867 --> 00:28:20,066 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 623 00:28:20,066 --> 00:28:22,634 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 624 00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:25,166 and our clients, for the first time. 625 00:28:25,166 --> 00:28:28,166 Amy, I want you to meet Jennifer, and this is Paige. 626 00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:30,066 They're mother and daughter. 627 00:28:30,066 --> 00:28:33,734 And they live here with Jennifer's husband, Ian. 628 00:28:34,967 --> 00:28:38,266 From what I could see, these guys are in a lot of trouble, 629 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:38,386 and we're their very last hope. 630 00:28:38,386 --> 00:28:40,800 and we're their very last hope. 631 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,166 Now, unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk. 632 00:28:48,367 --> 00:28:52,800 The first thing that I wanna discuss is I went to the back. 633 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,600 I walked right into the backyard. 634 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,100 And the earth was like doing this movement stuff. 635 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,600 I did not feel safe 636 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,634 because of the land here. The earth is unstable. 637 00:29:05,634 --> 00:29:07,600 The way I think it would affect you 638 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,386 would be maybe, like, uh, equilibrium issues. 639 00:29:08,386 --> 00:29:10,734 would be maybe, like, uh, equilibrium issues. 640 00:29:10,734 --> 00:29:11,967 Mmm-hmm. 641 00:29:11,967 --> 00:29:14,967 Uh, so you might get a little bit of vertigo occasionally. 642 00:29:14,967 --> 00:29:18,634 I was always a little klutzy and slightly off equilibrium, 643 00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:20,800 but I've been stumbling around, like I drink, 644 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,467 since I moved in here, and I don't drink. 645 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:26,100 -Paige, any health issues? -[Paige] Yeah, uh, 646 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,367 dizziness and balance, but the... 647 00:29:29,367 --> 00:29:31,367 They warned us that would happen when we moved in here 648 00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:32,800 because of the massive sinkhole. 649 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,000 -What? -[Paige] Yeah. 650 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,166 There's a massive sinkhole at the bottom of the street. 651 00:29:36,166 --> 00:29:38,386 It's just a pond now, but it still was a massive sinkhole. 652 00:29:38,386 --> 00:29:39,367 It's just a pond now, but it still was a massive sinkhole. 653 00:29:39,367 --> 00:29:44,467 This all used to be level, it all sunk, like, over a hundred years ago. 654 00:29:44,467 --> 00:29:46,734 [Amy] That's a sign the land is angry, 655 00:29:46,734 --> 00:29:49,066 and that's not good for you guys. 656 00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:51,333 [Steve] What else? 657 00:29:51,867 --> 00:29:53,467 [Amy] When I was walking, 658 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,900 out back, 659 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,367 I heard, "Suicide." 660 00:29:59,734 --> 00:30:03,500 I had the feeling that it was a male. 661 00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,967 Then I am swinging around, and there's this little old lady over there. 662 00:30:07,967 --> 00:30:08,386 She's, like, completely baffled and confused. 663 00:30:08,386 --> 00:30:11,800 She's, like, completely baffled and confused. 664 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,000 I think she would be in her late 70's, early 80's maybe. 665 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,600 I think that she died, uh, within the last 10 years. 666 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,634 I did then see, like, a flash of, uh, the ambulance. 667 00:30:24,166 --> 00:30:26,533 And people were freaking out. 668 00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:30,266 Well, there's something you're saying that makes a lot of sense. 669 00:30:30,266 --> 00:30:33,166 And something you definitely need to know about. 670 00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:35,166 There was a terrible tragedy in this house, 671 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:37,266 and it's the kind of thing you never get over. 672 00:30:37,266 --> 00:30:38,386 The previous owners of the house 673 00:30:38,386 --> 00:30:38,734 The previous owners of the house 674 00:30:38,734 --> 00:30:41,800 were Jennifer's in-laws and Paige's grandparents. 675 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,700 Kathy and David bought this place back in 2017. 676 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:47,367 Three years ago, Kathy and David 677 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:50,000 walked into the closet of the back bedroom. 678 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,233 David then pulled out a gun, shot Kathy and then shot himself. 679 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Oh, my God. 680 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,634 Person who found the body was Paige. 681 00:30:58,634 --> 00:31:00,867 [Amy] Ugh, I'm sorry. 682 00:31:00,867 --> 00:31:04,166 Why don't you tell Amy a little bit about your grandparents? 683 00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:07,800 They were incredible, amazing, hardworking people, 684 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,386 and they were a huge inspiration to not just me, 685 00:31:08,386 --> 00:31:12,266 and they were a huge inspiration to not just me, 686 00:31:12,266 --> 00:31:15,634 but everyone in the family. 687 00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:19,533 You told me you felt that something here influenced their suicides. 688 00:31:19,533 --> 00:31:23,600 Yes. They were extremely proud people. 689 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,233 You had mentioned to me about you felt their presence here. 690 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,367 Describe that to Amy for me, please? 691 00:31:29,367 --> 00:31:34,266 I'll hear Kathy talk to me, say encouraging things. 692 00:31:34,266 --> 00:31:35,967 And, um... 693 00:31:35,967 --> 00:31:38,386 Don't hear from David very much, except for like, one incident, 694 00:31:38,386 --> 00:31:39,700 Don't hear from David very much, except for like, one incident, 695 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:44,433 when he came up behind me and kind of wrapped his arms around me, like, in a hug. 696 00:31:45,166 --> 00:31:46,266 It's really, 697 00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:49,600 really impactful for me. [sniffs] 698 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,367 Now, I have a photo of David and Kathy. 699 00:31:52,367 --> 00:31:54,100 Uh, he was, what, 79? 700 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,367 And gra... Your grandma was, what? 74? 701 00:31:56,367 --> 00:31:58,000 [Paige] Yes. 702 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,433 [Steve] Now, could Kathy be who you ran into? 703 00:32:02,166 --> 00:32:06,500 No. I didn't know which house she was from, 704 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:07,800 but I knew she wasn't from here. 705 00:32:09,166 --> 00:32:10,867 So, that's a good thing. 706 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:15,967 [Steve] All right, what else? 707 00:32:15,967 --> 00:32:19,500 So, when I came in, immediately, 708 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,166 I was hearing fighting going on. 709 00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:24,533 And that I believe was happening 710 00:32:24,533 --> 00:32:27,634 with the individuals who are living here. 711 00:32:28,166 --> 00:32:30,867 I saw a female storm off. 712 00:32:30,867 --> 00:32:34,734 I feel like this woman wants out of here. 713 00:32:34,734 --> 00:32:37,967 She wants to leave everybody and everything behind. 714 00:32:37,967 --> 00:32:38,386 And she's kind of freaked out by some weird thoughts, uh, that she's having. 715 00:32:38,386 --> 00:32:42,734 And she's kind of freaked out by some weird thoughts, uh, that she's having. 716 00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:47,600 I got that this individual is predisposed to some depression, 717 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,500 and I sense that this is 718 00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,367 a big problem here. 719 00:32:52,367 --> 00:32:54,500 Well, that's one of the biggest reasons we were called in here. 720 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,166 These guys are at each other's throats. 721 00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:58,734 And they think whatever's in the house could be causing the rage. 722 00:32:59,467 --> 00:33:02,000 Things are so volatile 723 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,634 from the time that I've moved in. 724 00:33:03,634 --> 00:33:07,734 I was having the craziest emotional episodes of, like, rage, 725 00:33:08,367 --> 00:33:08,386 anger, pain. 726 00:33:08,386 --> 00:33:10,600 anger, pain. 727 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,533 Yeah, there's been times I've been that way, too, 728 00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:18,266 but, it, um... I, I, I can't take any more screaming. 729 00:33:18,266 --> 00:33:21,000 I have wanted to leave for a really long time. 730 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,600 The only reason I haven't is because 731 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,166 we are Paige's source of support. 732 00:33:27,166 --> 00:33:31,166 I will always, always love my child 733 00:33:31,166 --> 00:33:33,367 with every fiber of my being, 734 00:33:33,367 --> 00:33:36,066 whether we ever get along again or not. 735 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:44,533 [Amy] Now, we're going to just dive into the big problem here. 736 00:33:46,367 --> 00:33:50,533 What I saw was, like, this little gremlin-y looking thing. 737 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,967 It did used to be human, 738 00:33:52,967 --> 00:33:55,266 which is interesting, but it's lost its humanity 739 00:33:55,266 --> 00:33:57,967 over many, many, many, many years. 740 00:33:57,967 --> 00:34:03,000 So, I did see that something was reaching down, 741 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,266 from the ceiling, and putting its hands inside a female's head. 742 00:34:07,266 --> 00:34:08,386 -[Paige] Hmm. -[Amy] And, like, 743 00:34:08,386 --> 00:34:08,900 -[Paige] Hmm. -[Amy] And, like, 744 00:34:09,367 --> 00:34:10,533 massaging the brain. 745 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,166 Her reality is really, really, really skewed, 746 00:34:16,166 --> 00:34:20,634 because this thing is, like, putting these weird 747 00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:23,233 thoughts in her head, 748 00:34:24,367 --> 00:34:29,867 and causing her to be paranoid and depressed and anxious. 749 00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:32,000 [Steve] Jennifer, you told me you felt like something was reaching 750 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,700 inside of you and causing panic attacks. 751 00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:37,000 -Mmm-hmm. -You could tell Amy about that? 752 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,386 It feels like something reaches in 753 00:34:38,386 --> 00:34:40,467 It feels like something reaches in 754 00:34:40,467 --> 00:34:42,634 and I've felt like it could read my mind 755 00:34:42,634 --> 00:34:48,266 until it was me feeling fearful and angry and 756 00:34:48,266 --> 00:34:50,533 rageful and paranoid. 757 00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:52,533 So is that causing them to fight? 758 00:34:52,734 --> 00:34:53,634 [Amy] Yes. 759 00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:55,166 [Steve] All right, so, could this thing 760 00:34:55,166 --> 00:34:57,367 have influenced Paige's grandparents? 761 00:34:57,367 --> 00:34:59,166 [Amy] I think so. 762 00:34:59,166 --> 00:35:01,367 [Steve] Okay, you described this thing as a gremlin. 763 00:35:01,367 --> 00:35:02,800 Is that what it looks like? 764 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,233 I did have a sketch done of what I saw it doing. 765 00:35:12,467 --> 00:35:14,066 That's kind of creepy, huh? 766 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,800 -[Jennifer] Oh, my God. -[Amy] Yeah, it's just... 767 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,233 It's really accurate. 768 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:27,333 So, do you think that's Jennifer that you're describing in the bed? 769 00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:29,900 Yes. 770 00:35:32,166 --> 00:35:34,266 [Steve] Well, this might explain some of the physical stuff 771 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,000 that's going on with these guys. 772 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,734 Tell her about the bruises you wake up with. 773 00:35:37,734 --> 00:35:38,386 I wake up with 774 00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:39,166 I wake up with 775 00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:41,467 three finger bruises. 776 00:35:41,467 --> 00:35:46,500 And they are always on the very insides of my arms. 777 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,000 And Paige, you got grabbed in the hallway. 778 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,800 I was alone in the house, and it felt like 779 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,100 I was grabbed by just a couple of fingertips 780 00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,367 from behind, on the elbow, and just kind of tugged backwards. 781 00:35:58,367 --> 00:36:00,266 And I was freaked out about it. 782 00:36:00,266 --> 00:36:02,266 You also got scratched. 783 00:36:02,266 --> 00:36:05,734 -Mmm-hmm. -Tell Amy about that. I got a photo here of it. 784 00:36:05,734 --> 00:36:07,166 On her face. 785 00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:08,386 -Mmm. -[Steve] Tell Amy about it. 786 00:36:08,386 --> 00:36:08,800 -Mmm. -[Steve] Tell Amy about it. 787 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,800 [Jennifer] I felt a burning. 788 00:36:11,166 --> 00:36:12,900 And, uh, that's... 789 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:14,967 That's what was there. 790 00:36:14,967 --> 00:36:16,266 -Hmm. -[Steve] Now, 791 00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:20,066 I don't know if it's related, but Jennifer's also seeing things. 792 00:36:20,066 --> 00:36:22,066 Talk about the gray man for a second. 793 00:36:22,533 --> 00:36:26,100 The gray man I have seen. 794 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:27,600 Why do you call him the gray man? 795 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,100 When I try to focus in and get his details, 796 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,600 he's gray with black markings. 797 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000 Sometimes you'll feel him behind you, 798 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,386 staring, like, hate and malice and ill-will into you. 799 00:36:38,386 --> 00:36:40,266 staring, like, hate and malice and ill-will into you. 800 00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:44,467 You mentioned about meditating and that's when you saw the frog-like thing. 801 00:36:44,467 --> 00:36:45,867 -Mmm-hmm. -[Steve] Tell Amy about that. 802 00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:46,634 Well, actually... 803 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,066 She'd made her own sketch. 804 00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:50,266 -Ah! -[Steve] So, explain to Amy 805 00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,066 what you seen and when you saw it. 806 00:36:52,066 --> 00:36:53,734 [Jennifer] I saw it once. 807 00:36:53,734 --> 00:36:57,367 He was really blobby and just, kind of, 808 00:36:57,367 --> 00:36:58,800 a mass, and he just had a, 809 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,800 a froggy kind of shape and look. 810 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,000 And his eyes were so weird. They were, like, 811 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,266 the thick, bulbous froggy eyes. 812 00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:08,386 Interesting, okay. 813 00:37:08,386 --> 00:37:08,867 Interesting, okay. 814 00:37:08,867 --> 00:37:11,166 [Steve] Any chance this frog or the gray man 815 00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:13,367 have something to do with the gremlin thing? 816 00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:16,367 Yeah, I mean, they can do that. 817 00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:19,867 They can project in different ways. Absolutely. 818 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,166 Now, it gets weird. 819 00:37:23,166 --> 00:37:28,634 When I was in the main bedroom? 820 00:37:28,634 --> 00:37:29,734 [Steve] That's where Paige is. 821 00:37:29,734 --> 00:37:30,867 [Amy] Okay. 822 00:37:30,867 --> 00:37:34,634 There was a lot of negative energy, 823 00:37:34,634 --> 00:37:38,386 and had manipulated the thoughts of the female in there. 824 00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:39,867 and had manipulated the thoughts of the female in there. 825 00:37:39,867 --> 00:37:43,734 What it brought out in that female in there was hatred. 826 00:37:44,266 --> 00:37:46,634 Like, pure hatred. 827 00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:51,367 There has to have been some violent outburst on her part, 828 00:37:51,367 --> 00:37:53,800 like, where she has [bleep] lost it. 829 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,266 Which definitely is being, 830 00:37:58,266 --> 00:38:01,266 uh, manipulated by this thing, 831 00:38:01,266 --> 00:38:02,967 to get worse. 832 00:38:02,967 --> 00:38:04,734 She wants to hurt others. 833 00:38:05,867 --> 00:38:08,386 I did have a dream Paige stabbed us with a knife, 834 00:38:08,386 --> 00:38:08,600 I did have a dream Paige stabbed us with a knife, 835 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,166 or me, not my husband. 836 00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:11,433 [Amy] Oh, my gosh. 837 00:38:13,266 --> 00:38:15,166 What does this thing want of them, though? 838 00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:16,800 -Besides causing mayhem? -[Amy] It's just a... 839 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,500 Yeah, it's just, that's the [bleep] it does. 840 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,467 It just manipulates people's thoughts 841 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:26,166 and causes problems, and that's what it's doing. 842 00:38:26,166 --> 00:38:30,166 Now it's just vindictive. Now it's out of, like, revenge. 843 00:38:30,166 --> 00:38:33,867 I won't let it push me to violence. 844 00:38:33,867 --> 00:38:37,266 If it's gonna kill me, it's gonna have to do it the bloody hard way. 845 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,433 So, we've got a big problem. 846 00:38:51,367 --> 00:38:52,867 Question is, can we kick this thing out 847 00:38:52,867 --> 00:38:54,533 so you two can live in peace? 848 00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,533 Or is time to pack up and get the hell out of here? 849 00:38:56,533 --> 00:38:58,266 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 850 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,734 [Amy] This is a big problem here, 851 00:39:04,734 --> 00:39:07,433 but you can absolutely get this thing out. 852 00:39:08,734 --> 00:39:12,533 I think it would be best though, to bring in a sensitive. 853 00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:15,423 Then maybe it can be moved on, 854 00:39:15,423 --> 00:39:15,634 Then maybe it can be moved on, 855 00:39:15,634 --> 00:39:18,266 versus, like, completely obliterated. 856 00:39:18,266 --> 00:39:21,166 It's terrified of being obliterated, 857 00:39:21,166 --> 00:39:23,734 'cause then it would cease to exist. 858 00:39:23,734 --> 00:39:27,734 So, I think, if you guys have that intention, 859 00:39:27,734 --> 00:39:30,967 it may even back off of what it's doing right now, 860 00:39:30,967 --> 00:39:32,967 knowing, "I'm gonna get out of here. 861 00:39:32,967 --> 00:39:37,533 "Somebody else is coming in, and it's gonna be a good thing, 862 00:39:37,533 --> 00:39:39,166 "for everybody." 863 00:39:39,634 --> 00:39:43,967 I was terrified, so that, 864 00:39:43,967 --> 00:39:45,423 shocking as it is, is actually good news, 865 00:39:45,423 --> 00:39:46,634 shocking as it is, is actually good news, 866 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,166 because he's defeatable. 867 00:39:49,166 --> 00:39:50,266 [Amy] Mmm. 868 00:39:50,266 --> 00:39:51,734 Very happy. [chuckles] 869 00:39:53,467 --> 00:39:56,100 Once they get rid of this, will their health get better? 870 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,000 [Amy] Yes. Everybody'll be feeling a lot better. 871 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,734 And clear, clear-minded. 872 00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:03,533 [Steve] What about the angry land? 873 00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:05,000 [Amy] I was freaked out about it. 874 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,967 But I think you'll be okay now that you're aware of it. 875 00:40:08,967 --> 00:40:10,734 -So that's a good thing. -Oh, yeah. 876 00:40:11,967 --> 00:40:14,634 The other thing I wanna bring up is counseling. 877 00:40:15,367 --> 00:40:15,423 Both of you guys need it for yourselves-- 878 00:40:15,423 --> 00:40:18,367 Both of you guys need it for yourselves-- 879 00:40:18,367 --> 00:40:19,634 -[Paige] Mmm. -Mmm-hmm. 880 00:40:19,634 --> 00:40:23,266 I think there's stuff, you guys, each, need to get rid of. 881 00:40:23,266 --> 00:40:26,467 And then I think you guys need counseling together. 882 00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:29,000 Y'all need to learn how to speak each other's language. 883 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,967 You also need to bury some [bleep] 884 00:40:30,967 --> 00:40:33,100 that doesn't need to be existing anymore. 885 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,467 -Mmm. -[Amy] So you guys 886 00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:35,533 could like, I don't know, 887 00:40:35,533 --> 00:40:38,433 maybe have a good, functional, happy relationship. 888 00:40:39,166 --> 00:40:40,800 I mean, I... I've been dying 889 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,467 -for personal therapy-- -Okay. 890 00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:45,423 ...since my grandparents died. And I would absolutely love to 891 00:40:45,423 --> 00:40:46,100 ...since my grandparents died. And I would absolutely love to 892 00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,000 be in counseling with her, because I don't have my grandma anymore. 893 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,533 -She's all I-- -And you want your mom. 894 00:40:50,734 --> 00:40:51,700 Yeah. 895 00:40:52,734 --> 00:40:55,166 So, Jennifer, you gonna take Amy's advice? 896 00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:57,367 -Absolutely. -[Steve] Okay. 897 00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,367 Good. 898 00:40:59,367 --> 00:41:04,800 I am profoundly thankful for the information that has come forth, 899 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,467 and what to do about it. 900 00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:11,967 I am extremely happy that it's something we can actually do something about. 901 00:41:11,967 --> 00:41:14,634 It's relieving. 902 00:41:14,634 --> 00:41:15,423 [Amy] I'm really glad we were able to come up with a solution 903 00:41:15,423 --> 00:41:17,634 [Amy] I'm really glad we were able to come up with a solution 904 00:41:17,634 --> 00:41:19,367 for Jennifer and Paige. 905 00:41:19,367 --> 00:41:22,734 I believe if they contact a medium to get rid of the gremlin 906 00:41:22,734 --> 00:41:26,100 and start family counseling, they will be well on their way 907 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,266 to finding the peace and happiness they deserve. 908 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:36,367 Hi, Dead Files. Update time. 909 00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:39,467 So, I found a very sweet sensitive 910 00:41:39,467 --> 00:41:41,100 who referred me to her team. 911 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:43,367 They came in, did a thorough check, 912 00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:45,423 found everything, and it's all gone. 913 00:41:45,423 --> 00:41:47,367 found everything, and it's all gone. 914 00:41:47,367 --> 00:41:49,533 I can't tell you how excited I am. 915 00:41:49,533 --> 00:41:52,734 For Paige and I, the future looks really good. 916 00:41:52,734 --> 00:41:55,533 I'm not exaggerating when I say 917 00:41:55,533 --> 00:41:59,533 that I could not be more grateful. Thank you, guys.