1 00:00:07,724 --> 00:00:10,000 [cell phone rings] 2 00:00:10,034 --> 00:00:11,137 [Steve] Hello? This is Steve. 3 00:00:17,827 --> 00:00:19,931 I just got some unexpected news. 4 00:00:21,551 --> 00:00:23,689 After more than 200 investigations, 5 00:00:23,724 --> 00:00:25,827 Amy Allan has decided to take time off. 6 00:00:25,862 --> 00:00:27,551 This is violent, violent. 7 00:00:27,586 --> 00:00:29,620 The person wants to kill somebody. 8 00:00:29,655 --> 00:00:32,137 [Steve] I've seen up close how hard she works to help our clients. 9 00:00:32,171 --> 00:00:36,034 They are sucking the life out of these people. 10 00:00:36,068 --> 00:00:39,034 Amy did suggest another medium to take her place. 11 00:00:39,068 --> 00:00:40,620 Cindy Kaza. 12 00:00:40,655 --> 00:00:43,275 [Steve] Now, I know Cindy and I'm a big fan, 13 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:45,758 but I got to admit it's gonna be a little weird to work with somebody new 14 00:00:45,793 --> 00:00:47,310 after all these years. 15 00:00:47,344 --> 00:00:49,655 -It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. -[cries] 16 00:00:49,689 --> 00:00:52,413 We need to continue the work that we are so passionate about... 17 00:00:52,448 --> 00:00:53,689 Thank you guys so much. 18 00:00:53,724 --> 00:00:54,551 You're lifesaving. 19 00:00:54,586 --> 00:00:56,413 We can be at peace again. 20 00:00:56,448 --> 00:00:59,068 -Oh, thank goodness. Well, that makes me happy. -[woman] Yeah. 21 00:00:59,103 --> 00:01:01,517 ...which is helping the living make peace with the dead. 22 00:01:27,827 --> 00:01:29,206 I'm honestly a little bit nervous. 23 00:01:29,241 --> 00:01:30,517 This house scares me. 24 00:01:53,344 --> 00:01:54,103 It's scary. 25 00:01:55,862 --> 00:01:57,275 Super aggressive energy. 26 00:02:02,827 --> 00:02:04,517 I wouldn't want to spend the night in this house... 27 00:02:06,137 --> 00:02:06,793 ...at all. 28 00:02:20,689 --> 00:02:22,827 [Steve] So, I'm back out here in one of my favorite cities, 29 00:02:22,862 --> 00:02:24,689 Tucson, Arizona. 30 00:02:24,724 --> 00:02:26,517 I got a call from a woman named Cynthia 31 00:02:26,551 --> 00:02:28,034 who sounds terrified. 32 00:02:29,379 --> 00:02:30,827 She says her family's dream home 33 00:02:30,862 --> 00:02:32,862 has become a paranormal warzone. 34 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:36,827 She's ready to get the hell out of there. 35 00:02:36,862 --> 00:02:39,379 The problem is her husband refuses to budge. 36 00:02:42,344 --> 00:02:43,724 It sounds like things are really bad, 37 00:02:43,758 --> 00:02:45,965 and I'm hoping Cindy and I can help these people out. 38 00:02:47,448 --> 00:02:50,241 [Steve] So, Cynthia, you live in this big, beautiful home, 39 00:02:50,275 --> 00:02:54,206 but when we talked on the phone you sounded terrified. 40 00:02:54,241 --> 00:02:55,896 -Yes. -Yeah. What the hell is going on here? 41 00:02:58,034 --> 00:02:59,137 [sighs] 42 00:02:59,172 --> 00:03:03,862 I feel whatever is here is trying to kill me. 43 00:03:05,620 --> 00:03:07,241 She wants me dead. 44 00:03:08,551 --> 00:03:10,206 All right, you just said "she." 45 00:03:10,241 --> 00:03:11,862 Why do you call it a "she?" 46 00:03:11,896 --> 00:03:14,965 Because I feel like it's a female entity. 47 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,724 I also feel like the devil has a hand in this as well. 48 00:03:19,758 --> 00:03:22,000 Sounds like you're living in hell, literally. 49 00:03:22,034 --> 00:03:26,344 -Oh, yeah, almost definitely, and this is our dream home. -Okay. 50 00:03:26,379 --> 00:03:30,172 So, let's start with some basics. Who lives in the house? 51 00:03:30,206 --> 00:03:32,689 -Okay. -So who do we got here? 52 00:03:32,724 --> 00:03:37,067 Myself and my husband Pedro and my son Adam. 53 00:03:37,103 --> 00:03:40,067 -And how old is Adam? -Adam is 31. 54 00:03:40,103 --> 00:03:41,413 [Steve] Your son lives at home? 55 00:03:41,448 --> 00:03:46,758 Adam was in a motor vehicle accident in 2016. 56 00:03:46,793 --> 00:03:49,482 He suffered a traumatic brain injury 57 00:03:49,517 --> 00:03:52,413 and he was in a coma for three days. 58 00:03:52,448 --> 00:03:56,965 -The doctors had let us know that he was not gonna make it. -Oh, jeez. 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,930 [Cynthia] He had to learn how to do everything 60 00:03:59,965 --> 00:04:02,655 -all over again. -Oh, I am so sorry to hear that. 61 00:04:03,620 --> 00:04:04,862 All right, so, Cynthia, do me a favor 62 00:04:04,896 --> 00:04:07,379 and give me a list of what you guys are going through here. 63 00:04:07,965 --> 00:04:09,586 Things move on their own. 64 00:04:10,241 --> 00:04:12,379 We hear startling noises. 65 00:04:12,413 --> 00:04:15,551 Our moods are being affected. 66 00:04:15,586 --> 00:04:18,067 We see shadow figures. 67 00:04:18,103 --> 00:04:22,724 -It's also become very physically violent. -Okay. 68 00:04:22,758 --> 00:04:26,827 The way your moods are being influenced, what's going on with that? 69 00:04:26,862 --> 00:04:32,482 I'm in fear, a lot of despair, and sadness, and heartache. 70 00:04:32,517 --> 00:04:34,931 Is anybody in the house being affected like you are? 71 00:04:34,965 --> 00:04:37,275 Yes, my husband is as well. 72 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:39,310 [Steve] How's he being affected? Similar to you or different? 73 00:04:39,344 --> 00:04:44,000 Different. He's more agitated, he's more aggressive. 74 00:04:44,034 --> 00:04:46,000 He comes home angry. 75 00:04:46,034 --> 00:04:50,586 -Is it affecting the marriage? -Yes, I feel like the house is taking over him. 76 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:51,689 Now, you mentioned on the phone 77 00:04:51,724 --> 00:04:52,758 that your husband's pretty stubborn 78 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:54,448 about leaving this place. 79 00:04:54,482 --> 00:05:00,344 He is. It's sentimental. His father gifted us the land. 80 00:05:00,379 --> 00:05:04,793 -I understand the sentiment he has for this home, -Yeah. 81 00:05:04,827 --> 00:05:08,620 -but his family needs to come first. -Yeah, absolutely. 82 00:05:08,655 --> 00:05:09,827 He doesn't see that. 83 00:05:10,586 --> 00:05:11,448 So you're on your own. 84 00:05:12,172 --> 00:05:13,758 I'm on my own. 85 00:05:13,793 --> 00:05:15,379 You break my heart, I have to tell ya, 86 00:05:15,413 --> 00:05:17,068 just listening to you and looking at you. 87 00:05:17,103 --> 00:05:19,137 It's killing me, and I'm glad we're here. 88 00:05:28,241 --> 00:05:30,827 [Cindy] There's, like, really deep depression happening in this house. 89 00:05:34,655 --> 00:05:36,068 I'm concerned for the family. 90 00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:40,034 And I feel like the mom doesn't know what to do. 91 00:05:40,068 --> 00:05:42,344 She's like, "I don't know how to help my family. 92 00:05:44,965 --> 00:05:47,034 I don't know how to save my family. 93 00:05:47,068 --> 00:05:48,448 I don't know how to fix this." 94 00:05:49,310 --> 00:05:51,000 It's scary. This is really bad. 95 00:05:52,827 --> 00:05:55,586 Man, I feel like there is definitely something inhuman here. 96 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:58,896 Shadow figures moving everywhere across the hall. 97 00:05:58,931 --> 00:06:01,586 This family is legitimately terrified 98 00:06:01,620 --> 00:06:03,413 about what's happening in their home. 99 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:07,551 Terrified about what's happening in their home. 100 00:06:07,586 --> 00:06:09,482 This is not safe turf for me. 101 00:06:11,034 --> 00:06:12,068 It's dangerous. 102 00:06:14,827 --> 00:06:16,379 Oh, a kid's room. Okay. 103 00:06:17,310 --> 00:06:18,344 Oh. [gasps] 104 00:06:19,586 --> 00:06:20,275 [sighing] Oh. 105 00:06:22,896 --> 00:06:26,275 I hate this house. I seriously hate this house. It's so [bleep] up. 106 00:06:27,586 --> 00:06:28,655 It's not good. 107 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:40,965 Okay, so, Cynthia, why'd you bring me into the kitchen? 108 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:47,413 I hear what sounds like pebbles are getting thrown at my windows. 109 00:06:47,448 --> 00:06:49,241 So which windows are you hearing this? 110 00:06:49,275 --> 00:06:51,103 The windows underneath the cabinets. 111 00:06:52,103 --> 00:06:53,758 [Steve] Okay, so we are in Arizona, 112 00:06:53,793 --> 00:06:56,275 and just the landscaping alone has a lot of pebbles and rocks. 113 00:06:56,310 --> 00:06:57,655 And it could be the wind picking it up 114 00:06:57,689 --> 00:07:00,206 -and hitting the windows? -No. 115 00:07:00,241 --> 00:07:03,206 This happens to me maybe 1:00, 2:00 in the morning, 116 00:07:03,241 --> 00:07:04,793 and there's no wind. 117 00:07:05,517 --> 00:07:06,689 What else is going on? 118 00:07:06,724 --> 00:07:08,379 That freezer door right behind you 119 00:07:08,413 --> 00:07:13,620 just slammed right into me very viciously with force. 120 00:07:14,827 --> 00:07:16,275 All right, so this doesn't open easy. 121 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:18,275 -It's a freezer door. It's not supposed to... -No, no, 122 00:07:18,310 --> 00:07:20,275 not supposed to open from the inside. 123 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:24,793 I was literally shaking and crying. 124 00:07:24,827 --> 00:07:28,172 If that happened to me [chuckles] I'd freak out. 125 00:07:28,206 --> 00:07:31,517 -Yeah, I had no explanation for it. -Okay. 126 00:07:36,103 --> 00:07:38,620 There's a lot of poltergeist activity in this house, too. 127 00:07:38,655 --> 00:07:40,448 [voice laughs maliciously] 128 00:07:40,482 --> 00:07:43,137 I see objects flying around. 129 00:07:43,172 --> 00:07:45,620 I feel like I'm hearing plates breaking in the kitchen, 130 00:07:45,655 --> 00:07:49,689 glass shattering, hair getting pulled. 131 00:07:49,724 --> 00:07:52,482 I can feel the whole house kind of shaking. 132 00:07:52,517 --> 00:07:54,793 Every time I look at the chandeliers in this house 133 00:07:55,655 --> 00:07:57,103 they start moving on their own. 134 00:07:59,275 --> 00:08:00,620 The lights go on and off. 135 00:08:01,862 --> 00:08:04,172 Doors are slamming. 136 00:08:04,206 --> 00:08:07,448 How seriously would you rate the poltergeist activity here? 137 00:08:07,482 --> 00:08:12,620 If it's a scale of one to ten, I'd say we're at 15. 138 00:08:12,655 --> 00:08:14,586 It's the worst-case scenario. 139 00:08:23,034 --> 00:08:24,275 [Steve] Hey, Cynthia, 140 00:08:24,310 --> 00:08:26,379 you didn't mention you had young girls living here. 141 00:08:26,413 --> 00:08:27,896 That's my granddaughter's room 142 00:08:27,931 --> 00:08:30,379 -when they come and spend the night. -Okay. 143 00:08:38,517 --> 00:08:39,793 All right, so what's going on? 144 00:08:39,827 --> 00:08:41,895 I wake up with bruises and scratches. 145 00:08:41,931 --> 00:08:44,517 -So what kind of scratches are we talking about? -I have a photo. 146 00:08:46,586 --> 00:08:47,862 How often is this happening? 147 00:08:47,896 --> 00:08:49,724 That happened a couple of months ago. 148 00:08:49,758 --> 00:08:53,827 But I woke up this morning with another bruise. 149 00:08:54,482 --> 00:08:55,724 It's very painful. 150 00:08:55,758 --> 00:08:58,275 -So it's tender to the touch? -Yes. 151 00:08:58,310 --> 00:09:01,482 I mean, is it possible in the middle of the night your husband banged into you 152 00:09:01,517 --> 00:09:02,620 rolling over or something? 153 00:09:02,655 --> 00:09:06,000 No, because I don't sleep in the bed with my husband. 154 00:09:07,379 --> 00:09:09,689 -Okay, so you're not even sleeping with him? -No. 155 00:09:09,724 --> 00:09:10,862 Anything else like that happen? 156 00:09:10,896 --> 00:09:12,310 Any kind of other physical things? 157 00:09:12,344 --> 00:09:16,655 I was walking down the stairs and I got shoved really hard. 158 00:09:16,689 --> 00:09:19,965 -Did you get hurt? -I did get hurt. I went to urgent care. 159 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,482 -Can you actually show me how hard you got shoved? -Yes. 160 00:09:25,620 --> 00:09:27,758 Okay. 161 00:09:27,793 --> 00:09:30,586 I'm no lightweight. That shove would have put me on the ground. 162 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:32,310 I was very afraid. 163 00:09:32,344 --> 00:09:33,793 What do you think is here? 164 00:09:33,827 --> 00:09:36,965 -I think we have demons here. -Okay. 165 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,172 And the female demon, I feel that she wants me dead. 166 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,689 [Cindy] I know that there's a woman, a female spirit. 167 00:09:52,448 --> 00:09:54,448 This woman does not want us here. 168 00:09:54,482 --> 00:09:57,827 I feel like she was really mean and abusive. 169 00:09:57,862 --> 00:10:01,931 She did everything she could to make everybody else's life miserable when she was alive, 170 00:10:01,965 --> 00:10:04,068 and she's doing the same thing from the other side. 171 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:05,241 How is she doing that? 172 00:10:05,275 --> 00:10:08,551 She is the one who is causing the family to fight. 173 00:10:10,413 --> 00:10:13,689 If you're standing here and this woman comes behind you 174 00:10:13,724 --> 00:10:17,551 it's like immediately you just feel rage. 175 00:10:18,862 --> 00:10:22,137 I just keep hearing people screaming at each other. 176 00:10:23,896 --> 00:10:25,172 Do you know if she ever has any kind of 177 00:10:25,206 --> 00:10:26,965 physical interaction with the living? 178 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,034 She's pushing people, she's pulling hair. 179 00:10:30,068 --> 00:10:32,413 She pulls the covers off people, 180 00:10:33,482 --> 00:10:34,862 pulls their legs. 181 00:10:34,896 --> 00:10:37,965 She's really, really angry. Super mean. 182 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,344 She's a pissed off lady. 183 00:10:57,068 --> 00:10:59,344 [Steve] So, Adam, I was talking to Mom today. 184 00:10:59,379 --> 00:11:02,206 She was telling me some wild stuff that's happening here, 185 00:11:02,241 --> 00:11:04,379 and she thinks whatever's here is pretty dangerous. 186 00:11:04,413 --> 00:11:06,137 She's at the point she's ready to leave. 187 00:11:06,172 --> 00:11:07,655 -I am, too. -You are? 188 00:11:07,689 --> 00:11:09,689 Yeah. I'm on board with that, yeah. 189 00:11:09,724 --> 00:11:12,517 So, Adam, I understand you're recovering from serious surgery. 190 00:11:12,551 --> 00:11:14,103 Now, is it tough for you to recover 191 00:11:14,137 --> 00:11:16,000 with all this activity going on? 192 00:11:16,034 --> 00:11:17,310 -I do believe that. -Okay. 193 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:18,206 Yeah. 194 00:11:18,241 --> 00:11:19,413 As far as experiences, 195 00:11:19,448 --> 00:11:21,344 do you have any that you can tell me about? 196 00:11:21,379 --> 00:11:25,724 I've seen a shadow man entity. 197 00:11:25,758 --> 00:11:27,241 So where did you see this shadow man? 198 00:11:27,275 --> 00:11:28,620 I saw him in the front yard. 199 00:11:28,655 --> 00:11:29,655 [Steve] All right, so do me a favor 200 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:30,551 and tell me what he looked like. 201 00:11:30,586 --> 00:11:32,689 [Adam] He was a tall dark shadow. 202 00:11:32,724 --> 00:11:34,137 -Did it move at all? -It didn't move 203 00:11:34,172 --> 00:11:36,172 but he made you feel like he was looking at you. 204 00:11:36,206 --> 00:11:37,448 So, Adam, anything else? 205 00:11:37,482 --> 00:11:40,103 Yeah, just everybody's behavior I would say. 206 00:11:40,137 --> 00:11:44,482 Our mood swings and more fighting, more bickering about nothing. 207 00:11:44,517 --> 00:11:46,068 Your mom was telling me about that. 208 00:11:46,103 --> 00:11:47,241 What are you feeling? 209 00:11:47,275 --> 00:11:50,827 I get angry. There's holes in my wall. 210 00:11:50,862 --> 00:11:53,758 You seem pretty mellow to me. Is that your personality? 211 00:11:53,793 --> 00:11:56,655 No. I really feel that's from an outside influence, man. 212 00:11:56,689 --> 00:11:59,000 -We weren't always like that. -Okay. 213 00:12:02,034 --> 00:12:04,344 Everything about this room feels off. 214 00:12:05,241 --> 00:12:07,275 [sighs] What is going on? 215 00:12:08,275 --> 00:12:10,862 There's a dead man who committed suicide. 216 00:12:12,206 --> 00:12:14,827 How would this suicidal man be affecting the living here? 217 00:12:14,862 --> 00:12:17,241 He's especially affecting the kid in this room. 218 00:12:18,448 --> 00:12:19,551 He's affecting his sleep. 219 00:12:21,689 --> 00:12:22,551 It's dangerous 220 00:12:23,931 --> 00:12:25,689 because the living, they're getting depressed. 221 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:30,551 It's gonna get a lot worse if things don't change. 222 00:12:30,586 --> 00:12:31,448 All right, hold up. 223 00:12:34,068 --> 00:12:34,896 This is really bad. 224 00:12:41,448 --> 00:12:42,931 [Steve] So, Pedro, I was talking to your wife. 225 00:12:42,965 --> 00:12:45,068 Cynthia told me that you and her are having problems 226 00:12:45,103 --> 00:12:46,241 with your moods in the house. 227 00:12:46,275 --> 00:12:47,862 -Do you agree with that? -Yeah, I do. 228 00:12:47,896 --> 00:12:50,655 Getting home from work or wherever, 229 00:12:50,689 --> 00:12:55,241 I start to tense up, I start to feel angry, I start to feel anxious. 230 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:56,517 And that's all the time. 231 00:12:56,551 --> 00:12:57,758 Do you feel it's affecting the marriage at all? 232 00:12:57,793 --> 00:12:59,344 -Because she does. -Oh, yeah. 233 00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:01,758 Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely affecting the marriage. 234 00:13:01,793 --> 00:13:03,620 Now, what about experiences that you've had? 235 00:13:03,655 --> 00:13:05,206 -Can you tell about it? -Yeah. 236 00:13:05,241 --> 00:13:08,448 I woke up one night being choked. 237 00:13:08,482 --> 00:13:10,448 -Did it feel like hands around you? -Yep. 238 00:13:10,482 --> 00:13:11,896 So, now, the hands that were around your neck, 239 00:13:11,931 --> 00:13:13,344 could you tell if it was a male or a female? 240 00:13:14,137 --> 00:13:16,620 No, it just felt very strong. 241 00:13:16,655 --> 00:13:17,689 How long did it last? 242 00:13:18,344 --> 00:13:19,310 10 seconds. 243 00:13:19,344 --> 00:13:20,758 Anything else you can tell me? 244 00:13:20,793 --> 00:13:22,448 Just the bad financial luck 245 00:13:22,482 --> 00:13:25,068 where it's to where I can't keep up with my bills, 246 00:13:25,103 --> 00:13:28,068 falling behind, almost going bankrupt. 247 00:13:28,103 --> 00:13:30,655 Well, in this economy lots of us have money problems. 248 00:13:30,689 --> 00:13:32,724 What makes you think it's paranormal though? 249 00:13:32,758 --> 00:13:35,172 Well, our mother said the land was cursed. 250 00:13:35,206 --> 00:13:37,000 -I believe it's the land. -Okay. 251 00:13:40,551 --> 00:13:42,172 I'm seeing an angry dead man. 252 00:13:44,931 --> 00:13:46,724 He says he's lost everything. 253 00:13:47,793 --> 00:13:49,655 How does he interact with the living? 254 00:13:49,689 --> 00:13:52,482 I feel like he causes problems in the house. 255 00:13:52,517 --> 00:13:55,689 Like, he wants this family's house to fall apart. 256 00:13:55,724 --> 00:13:58,689 I feel like I'm in a string of bad luck with finances. 257 00:13:58,724 --> 00:14:00,448 He wants them to lose their money. 258 00:14:00,482 --> 00:14:03,517 He wants them to lose their home. 259 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:08,551 He affects the mind in a way where they'll start making bad business decisions 260 00:14:08,586 --> 00:14:11,068 or start doing foolish things with money. 261 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,379 That's his agenda. 262 00:14:15,724 --> 00:14:17,172 [Steve] Anything else you can tell me? 263 00:14:17,206 --> 00:14:18,896 [Pedro] Yeah, blessing the yard, 264 00:14:18,931 --> 00:14:21,724 when I came to the mesquite tree, I was doing my prayer, 265 00:14:21,758 --> 00:14:24,689 and the minute I started my prayer 266 00:14:24,724 --> 00:14:27,689 it sounded like 1,000 birds took off. 267 00:14:27,724 --> 00:14:28,896 And it was a clear night 268 00:14:28,931 --> 00:14:31,896 so I could see the tree was still, completely still. 269 00:14:31,931 --> 00:14:35,620 All right, so you have a sound of a bunch of birds taking off, 270 00:14:35,655 --> 00:14:38,758 but no physical evidence of it other than the hearing it? 271 00:14:38,793 --> 00:14:40,724 -Right. -I've never heard that one before. 272 00:14:40,758 --> 00:14:42,068 And it scared me. 273 00:14:42,103 --> 00:14:44,655 So, do you think the prayer set this whole thing off? 274 00:14:44,689 --> 00:14:46,793 -That night I do, yes. -Okay. 275 00:14:46,827 --> 00:14:49,689 Your wife thinks there's a demon here. What do you think is here? 276 00:14:50,448 --> 00:14:51,655 Just evil spirits. 277 00:14:52,413 --> 00:14:53,068 All right. 278 00:14:58,344 --> 00:15:00,344 [Cindy] So, we have this inhuman force 279 00:15:02,103 --> 00:15:06,000 not only inside the house but can be outside the house. 280 00:15:06,931 --> 00:15:09,413 And I see the energy of this thing. 281 00:15:09,448 --> 00:15:13,482 It's created a field around the entire home. 282 00:15:13,517 --> 00:15:16,896 When you're looking out this window down here, shadows. 283 00:15:16,931 --> 00:15:19,448 Shadow figure back and forth. 284 00:15:19,482 --> 00:15:21,862 I see birds flying into windows. 285 00:15:23,172 --> 00:15:24,862 I'm seeing a young girl in this house. 286 00:15:24,896 --> 00:15:26,379 She's being oppressed, 287 00:15:26,413 --> 00:15:28,896 so she's not possessed but there's an oppression happening. 288 00:15:28,931 --> 00:15:30,310 Okay, can you elaborate on that a little bit? 289 00:15:30,344 --> 00:15:33,827 It's like starting to lose time, you're not yourself. 290 00:15:33,862 --> 00:15:36,862 You can be rageful, you can be mean, you can be depressed. 291 00:15:36,896 --> 00:15:41,206 So we're not at possession yet but it's almost there. 292 00:15:42,551 --> 00:15:45,379 I am 100% sure that we're dealing with something demonic. 293 00:15:48,586 --> 00:15:50,275 I'm here because I want to help this family, 294 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:53,620 but I want to get out of here as quickly as we can. 295 00:15:53,655 --> 00:15:55,068 It's dangerous for everyone. 296 00:16:02,137 --> 00:16:04,379 [Steve] I've done quite a few investigations in Tucson, 297 00:16:04,413 --> 00:16:08,068 so I reached out to a bunch of contacts that I've worked with before. 298 00:16:08,103 --> 00:16:11,034 I just heard back from a genealogist friend of mine. 299 00:16:11,068 --> 00:16:13,862 She tells me one of the first owners of my client's land 300 00:16:13,896 --> 00:16:15,758 was a high society medical doctor 301 00:16:15,793 --> 00:16:18,172 who suffered nothing but tragedy 302 00:16:18,206 --> 00:16:20,275 the second he and his wife bought the property. 303 00:16:26,448 --> 00:16:29,275 So, Bridgette, thanks for helping me out with this case. 304 00:16:29,310 --> 00:16:32,344 Okay, so, this high society couple, what do we know about 'em? 305 00:16:32,379 --> 00:16:34,275 Mabel and Doctor Stirley Davis, 306 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:36,275 they moved to the area in about 1920. 307 00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:37,793 Okay, so where did they come from? 308 00:16:37,827 --> 00:16:39,931 -They came from Oklahoma. -Okay. 309 00:16:39,965 --> 00:16:43,655 So when they got here did they have a family or were they gonna start one? 310 00:16:43,689 --> 00:16:45,241 They already had two kids when they got here, 311 00:16:45,275 --> 00:16:47,586 and then, five years after they got here in 1925, 312 00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:49,344 they had Stirley Davis Junior. 313 00:16:49,379 --> 00:16:51,034 -So now they got three kids? -Yes. 314 00:16:51,068 --> 00:16:53,275 So, now, you mentioned that this guy was a bigwig. 315 00:16:53,310 --> 00:16:55,379 -Is that just because he was a doctor? -No. 316 00:16:55,413 --> 00:16:58,103 [Bridgette] He was also the president of the Chamber of Commerce, 317 00:16:58,137 --> 00:17:00,793 and he was the president of the Pima County Medical Association. 318 00:17:00,827 --> 00:17:02,310 All right, so what about his wife? 319 00:17:02,344 --> 00:17:04,964 His wife also was involved in the community 320 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,655 because she was part of the board of directors 321 00:17:06,689 --> 00:17:08,034 of the Arizona Children's Home. 322 00:17:08,068 --> 00:17:10,103 Okay, so they were really influential 323 00:17:10,137 --> 00:17:11,619 -around town. -They were. 324 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:14,310 All right, so, do we know when they acquired my client's property? 325 00:17:14,344 --> 00:17:16,205 Yeah, he bought the land in 1929. 326 00:17:16,241 --> 00:17:18,137 So when did things go bad for them? 327 00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:19,896 Well, in November of 1929, 328 00:17:19,931 --> 00:17:22,205 young Stirley Junior, he was only four years old, 329 00:17:22,241 --> 00:17:23,482 was playing outside with Margaret. 330 00:17:23,517 --> 00:17:25,689 And he ran into the street and was struck by a car. 331 00:17:25,723 --> 00:17:26,964 Okay, does he get killed? 332 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,620 -Yes, and this is his death record. -Ah, jeez. 333 00:17:29,655 --> 00:17:32,862 All right, so this is tragic. I couldn't even imagine losing a child. 334 00:17:32,896 --> 00:17:35,344 -Uh, did things get better for them? -No. 335 00:17:35,379 --> 00:17:37,724 Two years later, the family suffers another tragedy, 336 00:17:37,758 --> 00:17:40,413 this time with their daughter Margaret, and she was just 15. 337 00:17:40,448 --> 00:17:42,172 I mean, jeez, what the hell happened? 338 00:17:42,206 --> 00:17:43,931 Margaret was out with five of her friends 339 00:17:43,965 --> 00:17:45,551 and she wanted to go to a slumber party. 340 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:48,068 They ran into a friend of theirs, Charles Fowler, 341 00:17:48,103 --> 00:17:49,758 who offered to give them a ride. 342 00:17:49,793 --> 00:17:51,862 Only problem is his car didn't have enough room, 343 00:17:51,896 --> 00:17:53,448 so there were a few inside the car 344 00:17:53,482 --> 00:17:56,448 and then there were some that were on the outside on the running boards. 345 00:17:56,482 --> 00:17:58,344 Oh, okay, I can see where this is going. 346 00:17:58,379 --> 00:18:01,689 [Bridgette] So as he was driving, another car hit their car. 347 00:18:01,724 --> 00:18:03,551 And it just so happened to hit the side 348 00:18:03,586 --> 00:18:04,620 where Margaret was at, 349 00:18:04,655 --> 00:18:07,862 and she died on impact, and here's the obituary. 350 00:18:07,896 --> 00:18:09,517 [Steve] I can't imagine losing one child, 351 00:18:09,551 --> 00:18:12,724 but losing two within two years and from car accidents? 352 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:13,862 This is insane. 353 00:18:13,896 --> 00:18:15,344 Please tell me things got better for them. 354 00:18:15,379 --> 00:18:18,068 No, tragedy strikes their family a third time. 355 00:18:18,103 --> 00:18:22,172 Dr. Stirley dies of heart disease in 1943, 356 00:18:22,206 --> 00:18:23,620 and here's his death certificate. 357 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:26,034 [Steve] Jeez, he was only 60. 358 00:18:26,068 --> 00:18:28,758 All right, so, I'm thinking of the wife right now, Mabel, 359 00:18:28,793 --> 00:18:30,413 losing two kids, 360 00:18:30,448 --> 00:18:32,586 and then her husband dies relatively young. 361 00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:33,793 She had to be out of her mind. 362 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,103 [Cindy] I'm seeing that dead lady again. 363 00:18:45,137 --> 00:18:48,206 Don't know if it's Margaret, or Margery, or Mary, or it's like... 364 00:18:49,551 --> 00:18:53,206 She doesn't want people talking about her business. 365 00:18:54,448 --> 00:18:58,448 She comes from money. She's connected to this land. 366 00:18:58,482 --> 00:19:00,758 But she doesn't want this family to be happy. 367 00:19:02,103 --> 00:19:04,862 I feel like she had a son who would have died. 368 00:19:04,896 --> 00:19:07,344 There's a connection to having a kid who died. 369 00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:10,931 This woman will only leave this house 370 00:19:10,965 --> 00:19:12,758 if she can take the boy with her 371 00:19:12,793 --> 00:19:15,448 because somebody killed her son. 372 00:19:15,482 --> 00:19:19,689 I'm seeing cigarette smoke everywhere. I'm smelling cigarette smoke. 373 00:19:19,724 --> 00:19:24,310 I can hear her coughing, and coughing, and coughing, and coughing. 374 00:19:24,344 --> 00:19:27,793 She had cancer. Like, she's here, she's pissed off, she's angry. 375 00:19:27,827 --> 00:19:28,793 This is a mess. 376 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:30,862 This is, like, a hot mess. 377 00:19:34,172 --> 00:19:36,413 [Steve] So I did some follow-up on Mabel Davis. 378 00:19:36,448 --> 00:19:38,344 She died of cancer at the age of 60. 379 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,172 A short and tragic life. 380 00:19:41,275 --> 00:19:42,689 But here's what I found weird. 381 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:44,862 Turns out she sold my client's land 382 00:19:44,896 --> 00:19:46,827 the same year her husband died, 383 00:19:46,862 --> 00:19:50,034 but the next owner only kept it for 14 months. 384 00:19:52,068 --> 00:19:55,000 So I'm heading over to meet a local historian I've worked with before. 385 00:19:56,275 --> 00:19:57,827 Now, he says there's a good reason 386 00:19:57,862 --> 00:20:00,793 the next owner didn't hold on to the land for long. 387 00:20:00,827 --> 00:20:04,206 The second he bought it he ran into some terrible financial luck. 388 00:20:11,931 --> 00:20:14,827 [Steve] So it's good to see you again, Marshall. Thanks for helping me out. 389 00:20:14,862 --> 00:20:16,620 So I understand that this guy suffered a lot 390 00:20:16,655 --> 00:20:18,448 after Mabel Davis sold him the property. 391 00:20:18,482 --> 00:20:20,000 Who the hell was he? 392 00:20:20,034 --> 00:20:22,827 So, Doctor Earl Brown was an eye, ear, nose, throat doctor 393 00:20:22,862 --> 00:20:25,241 who worked for the Thomas Davis Clinics. 394 00:20:25,275 --> 00:20:29,344 In fact, he wound up running the entire organization. 395 00:20:29,379 --> 00:20:32,034 [Steve] So after Doctor Davis dies of heart disease, 396 00:20:32,068 --> 00:20:33,551 his wife sells the land to this guy 397 00:20:33,586 --> 00:20:35,931 -who took over the medical clinic? -Right. 398 00:20:35,965 --> 00:20:39,000 Okay, you said this guy had bad financial luck. What happened? 399 00:20:39,034 --> 00:20:41,689 So, the same year that he buys the land, 400 00:20:41,724 --> 00:20:44,034 there is a patient, Jesus Lopez, 401 00:20:44,068 --> 00:20:47,896 -Okay. -who winds up falling down a set of badly marked stairs 402 00:20:47,931 --> 00:20:49,965 and causes him to die. 403 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,413 And so there is then a wrongful death lawsuit 404 00:20:52,448 --> 00:20:54,758 for $35,000 against the clinic. 405 00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:59,206 All right, so 35 grand, that's a lot of money in the mid '40s. 406 00:20:59,241 --> 00:21:02,586 It was a lot of money, and so we think, at this point, 407 00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:07,896 that's why Dr. Brown had to sell the property to pay for the lawsuit. 408 00:21:07,931 --> 00:21:10,517 -And it gets even worse. -Okay, so what happened? 409 00:21:10,551 --> 00:21:14,172 He's named in a federal anti-trust lawsuit. 410 00:21:14,206 --> 00:21:16,724 He's accused of raising the prices of eye glasses 411 00:21:16,758 --> 00:21:18,413 and then pocketing the difference. 412 00:21:18,448 --> 00:21:21,275 -Okay, so this guy's trying to recover from the lawsuit. -Right. 413 00:21:21,310 --> 00:21:22,206 What happens next? 414 00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:25,275 Basically, he then developed hypertension 415 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:27,241 and suffers a massive stroke. 416 00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:29,068 He is rushed to the hospital. 417 00:21:29,103 --> 00:21:32,448 Three hours later, he passes away at the age of 49. 418 00:21:33,448 --> 00:21:35,172 Okay, so he's a young guy. 419 00:21:35,206 --> 00:21:38,137 Cerebral hemorrhage, so he must have suffered before he died. 420 00:21:38,172 --> 00:21:41,931 So it sounds like this guy's bad decisions all started with 421 00:21:41,965 --> 00:21:44,827 -him buying the land my clients live on. -Right. 422 00:21:49,344 --> 00:21:52,068 [Cindy] The guy who lost everything, he's here. 423 00:21:52,103 --> 00:21:54,586 He keeps saying, "They took everything I had. 424 00:21:54,620 --> 00:21:56,448 They robbed me, they robbed me." 425 00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,275 -So this is in the past, -Mmm-hmm. 426 00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:01,379 but it's connected to this land. 427 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:05,206 Feels like he's robbed of his livelihood, 428 00:22:05,241 --> 00:22:07,310 that everything's stolen from him, 429 00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:11,310 and he sees this family with a nice house, with things, 430 00:22:11,344 --> 00:22:13,655 and it pisses him off. 431 00:22:13,689 --> 00:22:18,103 "They took my land, they took my house, they took everything I owned. 432 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:19,896 I want revenge." That's what I'm hearing. 433 00:22:21,758 --> 00:22:22,724 "I'm out for blood." 434 00:22:24,172 --> 00:22:25,724 For more information on the show, 435 00:22:25,758 --> 00:22:27,310 and if you need us to investigate 436 00:22:27,344 --> 00:22:28,241 any unexplained 437 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:30,034 paranormal activity in your home... 438 00:22:30,068 --> 00:22:33,931 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 439 00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:36,517 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files" to submit your story, 440 00:22:36,551 --> 00:22:37,724 and we'll help if we can. 441 00:22:43,689 --> 00:22:46,655 [Steve] So I just got a call from a retired homicide detective. 442 00:22:46,689 --> 00:22:48,344 He tells me there was a crazy case 443 00:22:48,379 --> 00:22:50,724 that happened right near Cynthia's house. 444 00:22:50,758 --> 00:22:54,275 It involved a drug dealer and a couple of bloodthirsty hitmen. 445 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:56,689 When all was said and done, three people were murdered. 446 00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:04,827 [Steve] So, Bill, you mentioned on the phone 447 00:23:04,862 --> 00:23:07,689 that this case had all kinds of twists and turns to it. 448 00:23:07,724 --> 00:23:09,724 Let's start at the beginning. Who even started this mess? 449 00:23:09,758 --> 00:23:11,000 19-year-old Damien. 450 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,965 Damien Jasso. 451 00:23:13,758 --> 00:23:16,000 He's a drug dealer in Tucson. 452 00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:19,034 All right, so we got this 19-year-old drug dealer. What happens next? 453 00:23:19,068 --> 00:23:22,758 In early 1997, there was a incident that happened 454 00:23:22,793 --> 00:23:26,068 where two masked gunmen came into his residence and terrorized his family. 455 00:23:26,103 --> 00:23:28,068 Okay, so we've got a home invasion of a drug dealer 456 00:23:28,103 --> 00:23:29,758 -which is not uncommon. -Yes, right. 457 00:23:29,793 --> 00:23:31,206 So what happens next? 458 00:23:31,241 --> 00:23:35,034 -Well, he believes he knows one of the guys that did this. -Okay. 459 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:37,793 And he hires two hitmen to go rough 'em up. 460 00:23:37,827 --> 00:23:40,172 -One person is Jesus Sanchez. -Okay. 461 00:23:40,206 --> 00:23:44,103 The other is Cecil Rodriguez, also known as Maníaco 462 00:23:44,137 --> 00:23:46,620 -which means "maniac" in English. -[chuckling] Yeah. 463 00:23:46,655 --> 00:23:48,310 Yeah, that I know. [chuckles] 464 00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:49,448 You work the streets long enough 465 00:23:49,482 --> 00:23:51,206 you pick up a lot of stuff. 466 00:23:51,241 --> 00:23:53,137 All right, so we got two armed guys with Jasso here. 467 00:23:53,172 --> 00:23:54,172 What happens next? 468 00:23:54,206 --> 00:23:55,551 They go to the wrong address, 469 00:23:55,586 --> 00:23:59,000 which is about 3,000ft from your client's residence, 470 00:23:59,034 --> 00:24:00,655 and they spot a guy working on his car. 471 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:03,068 They open up gunfire, kill him. 472 00:24:04,862 --> 00:24:07,689 All right, so do these two idiots realize they killed the wrong guy? 473 00:24:07,724 --> 00:24:09,517 -Yes, they do. -Okay. 474 00:24:09,551 --> 00:24:12,379 Couple of hours later, they track down the guy they were supposed to hit, 475 00:24:12,413 --> 00:24:13,655 Israel Lopez, 476 00:24:13,689 --> 00:24:15,517 and they shoot and kill him. 477 00:24:15,551 --> 00:24:17,344 All right, now, how far is that from my client's residence? 478 00:24:17,379 --> 00:24:18,689 It's 4,000ft. 479 00:24:18,724 --> 00:24:21,379 -All right, so this is all relatively close? -Yes. 480 00:24:21,413 --> 00:24:23,068 -So now we've got two dead bodies. -Correct. 481 00:24:23,103 --> 00:24:25,000 -When we spoke you said there was three homicides. -Yes. 482 00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:26,586 How does the third body show up? 483 00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:28,172 Well, these two go back to Jasso 484 00:24:28,206 --> 00:24:30,379 and say, "Listen, we killed an extra body. 485 00:24:30,413 --> 00:24:32,000 We want five grand and some cocaine." 486 00:24:32,034 --> 00:24:33,896 -You're joking? -No. 487 00:24:33,931 --> 00:24:34,931 Does he give it to 'em? 488 00:24:34,965 --> 00:24:36,965 No, Jasso tells 'em to pack sand. 489 00:24:38,034 --> 00:24:39,103 All right, so now we got... 490 00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:42,586 ...Jasso telling 'em to go to hell, but what happens? 491 00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:45,206 They go after the person that was involved in this with Jasso, 492 00:24:45,241 --> 00:24:46,758 -the middle man, -Okay. 493 00:24:46,793 --> 00:24:49,482 and they can't locate him either. 494 00:24:49,517 --> 00:24:50,827 So they go after the next best thing 495 00:24:50,862 --> 00:24:53,413 which is his 35-year-old uncle. 496 00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:57,241 They end up taking him, kidnapping him, shooting him three times, 497 00:24:57,275 --> 00:24:58,896 put him in a car and setting it on fire, 498 00:24:59,413 --> 00:25:01,172 and he dies. 499 00:25:01,206 --> 00:25:04,310 All right, so we got Jasso, Rodriguez, and Sanchez involved in this whole mess. 500 00:25:04,344 --> 00:25:06,241 Did the cops ever get any kind of lead on these guys? 501 00:25:06,275 --> 00:25:10,000 Jesus Sanchez is caught a few days after 502 00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:11,862 -the last murder. -Okay. 503 00:25:11,896 --> 00:25:12,965 And he's caught in a home invasion 504 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,620 and actually has the weapon on him 505 00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,517 that he used in one of the murders. 506 00:25:16,551 --> 00:25:18,137 All right. Thank God they're stupid, right? 507 00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:21,000 All right, so we got a good case against this guy. 508 00:25:21,034 --> 00:25:23,448 Does he wind up copping a plea or going to trial? 509 00:25:23,482 --> 00:25:27,689 No, he goes to trial, and he's found guilty by the jury 510 00:25:27,724 --> 00:25:29,724 and sentenced to life in prison 511 00:25:29,758 --> 00:25:31,827 without the possibility of parole. 512 00:25:31,862 --> 00:25:34,103 All right, so we got Sanchez. What about the other two guys? 513 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:36,896 They do get Jasso, the person that started all this, 514 00:25:36,931 --> 00:25:38,965 but he enters a plea deal. 515 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,137 He only gets probation and he only has to serve 90 days in jail. 516 00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:44,344 What about the other hitman? 517 00:25:45,275 --> 00:25:47,206 The other hitman, Maníaco, 518 00:25:47,241 --> 00:25:50,275 goes on the run for about ten years down to Mexico. 519 00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:53,103 Ten years later, my partner gets a call on homicide 520 00:25:53,137 --> 00:25:54,379 as I'm sitting there. 521 00:25:54,413 --> 00:25:57,413 Maníaco,he fried himself down in Mexico. 522 00:25:57,448 --> 00:26:00,448 He was pulling cable out of a high-tension wire, pulling copper wiring, 523 00:26:00,482 --> 00:26:01,448 and got electrocuted. 524 00:26:01,482 --> 00:26:02,724 Killed himself. 525 00:26:02,758 --> 00:26:04,862 -That's justice right there, right? -Amen. 526 00:26:13,724 --> 00:26:17,310 [Cindy] I saw a lot of terrifying things during my walk, 527 00:26:17,344 --> 00:26:19,896 but the dead woman tormenting a living woman in bed, 528 00:26:19,931 --> 00:26:22,586 that has me really worried. 529 00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:25,655 So there's a dead woman who was super angry, 530 00:26:25,689 --> 00:26:30,275 and she was pulling the leg of the woman sleeping in the bed 531 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:31,931 and trying to yank her out of the bed. 532 00:26:35,655 --> 00:26:39,000 She had longer hair. Like, it was, I could see it was gray. 533 00:26:40,896 --> 00:26:44,000 Yeah, I think, um, she's just a little bit shorter 534 00:26:44,034 --> 00:26:45,448 and a little bit more frail. 535 00:26:53,482 --> 00:26:54,758 Cindy, is that what you saw? 536 00:26:56,620 --> 00:26:57,793 That's definitely what I saw. 537 00:27:10,068 --> 00:27:13,379 [Steve] Now that Cindy and I have completed our investigations, 538 00:27:13,413 --> 00:27:14,620 we're ready to reveal our findings 539 00:27:14,655 --> 00:27:18,379 to each other, and our clients, for the first time. 540 00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:21,655 So, Cindy, I'd like you to meet Cynthia and Pedro. 541 00:27:23,793 --> 00:27:25,758 Now, they live here with their son, Adam. 542 00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:28,137 This is Adam right here. 543 00:27:29,413 --> 00:27:32,413 Now, these guys have been married for 33 years. 544 00:27:32,448 --> 00:27:34,275 But the way things are going in this house, 545 00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:35,551 they're not gonna make it to 34. 546 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:37,862 So here's the problem. 547 00:27:37,896 --> 00:27:40,068 Cynthia can't take the activity anymore, 548 00:27:40,103 --> 00:27:42,862 and she actually is hoping you'll tell her that they can't stay. 549 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:45,862 But Pedro, he doesn't want to leave. 550 00:27:45,896 --> 00:27:48,137 And he's praying you can show him a way 551 00:27:48,172 --> 00:27:51,275 to kick out whatever the hell it is that's torturing them. 552 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:53,241 So now that Cindy knows a little bit about you guys, 553 00:27:53,275 --> 00:27:54,517 she'll tell us about her walk. 554 00:27:59,896 --> 00:28:01,655 [Cindy] I'm gonna start talking about the phenomenon 555 00:28:01,689 --> 00:28:03,137 that's going on inside the house. 556 00:28:04,344 --> 00:28:09,034 So, during my walk I saw dishes falling off the shelves. 557 00:28:09,068 --> 00:28:12,344 I saw the refrigerator open and food falling out. 558 00:28:12,379 --> 00:28:14,620 I saw things flying around. 559 00:28:14,655 --> 00:28:17,965 What you're experiencing is intense poltergeist activity. 560 00:28:18,689 --> 00:28:20,931 So, on a scale from one to ten, 561 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:22,896 I feel like this house is a 15. 562 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:24,965 [Steve] Wow. 563 00:28:26,103 --> 00:28:27,448 So, Cynthia, I'm gonna start with you. 564 00:28:27,482 --> 00:28:30,000 Let's talk about, um, well, 565 00:28:30,034 --> 00:28:31,965 the pebbles and the banging in the kitchen. 566 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,689 I will hear pebbles getting thrown at my windows 567 00:28:36,724 --> 00:28:39,206 -underneath my cabinet. -Mmm-hmm. 568 00:28:39,241 --> 00:28:40,551 Now, she mentioned about doors slamming. 569 00:28:40,586 --> 00:28:42,758 You had the freezer door do a number on you. 570 00:28:42,793 --> 00:28:46,034 Yes, I was in front of the freezer door, getting water, 571 00:28:46,068 --> 00:28:48,482 and it just slammed right into me 572 00:28:48,517 --> 00:28:50,482 from the inside out. 573 00:28:51,793 --> 00:28:54,000 -Is this all poltergeist stuff, or... -Poltergeist activity. 574 00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:55,241 [Steve] Okay. 575 00:28:55,275 --> 00:28:57,793 And it's really intense poltergeist activity, 576 00:28:57,827 --> 00:29:00,310 so you have every right to be afraid. 577 00:29:04,482 --> 00:29:07,310 [Steve] So we got poltergeist activity. What else is going on? 578 00:29:07,344 --> 00:29:12,206 There are three dead people causing a lot of problems in this house. 579 00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:15,448 And each one of these people are focused on a different family member. 580 00:29:17,379 --> 00:29:21,827 The first one I want to talk about is the "lost everything" man. 581 00:29:21,862 --> 00:29:25,241 He told me that everything had been taken from him in life, 582 00:29:25,275 --> 00:29:28,931 and because of that he doesn't want people in this house to do well. 583 00:29:28,965 --> 00:29:33,689 He's targeting whoever makes financial decisions in this home. 584 00:29:33,724 --> 00:29:40,413 So I'm guessing that you guys probably feel like you've run into some financial bad luck. 585 00:29:40,448 --> 00:29:43,965 He wants to see you fail just like he did, 586 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,241 and he wants to see you lose his home because he lost his home. 587 00:29:48,275 --> 00:29:50,793 It seems like every time I think I'm moving forward 588 00:29:50,827 --> 00:29:52,896 I end up going backwards, financially, 589 00:29:52,931 --> 00:29:55,413 and I can't figure out why. 590 00:29:55,448 --> 00:30:00,206 -And I never had this problem until here. -Yeah. 591 00:30:00,241 --> 00:30:01,896 [Steve] So, Cindy, do you have any idea 592 00:30:01,931 --> 00:30:04,517 who this bad luck guy was when he was alive? 593 00:30:04,551 --> 00:30:08,034 I sense that he had his livelihood stolen from him. 594 00:30:08,068 --> 00:30:11,655 I heard him say, "They took my land. They took my land. 595 00:30:11,689 --> 00:30:12,965 They took my land. 596 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:15,379 And they took my house." 597 00:30:15,413 --> 00:30:17,241 This guy sees you and your family. 598 00:30:17,275 --> 00:30:22,344 He sees you have a house, he sees you have nice things, and it really makes him angry. 599 00:30:22,379 --> 00:30:25,517 He's seeking revenge, and, quite frankly, he's out for blood. 600 00:30:26,827 --> 00:30:30,068 He's a former owner of the land who lost everything. 601 00:30:30,103 --> 00:30:32,896 His name was Doctor Earl Brown. I got a photo of him. 602 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,965 Back in those days in the 1940s, 603 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,241 he was a prominent eye, ear, nose, and throat doctor 604 00:30:41,275 --> 00:30:43,413 who ran a local clinic in the area. 605 00:30:43,448 --> 00:30:46,862 So he bought this property back in 1944. 606 00:30:46,896 --> 00:30:50,965 -And from that moment on, his finances went to hell. -Wow. 607 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,827 [Steve] So the same year he bought the property, 608 00:30:52,862 --> 00:30:55,379 a patient at the clinic died in a slip-and-fall accident. 609 00:30:55,413 --> 00:30:57,241 Nothing to do with malpractice. 610 00:30:57,275 --> 00:31:01,517 But the victim's family sued for 35 grand which was a fortune back then. 611 00:31:02,896 --> 00:31:07,206 Now, Dr. Brown settled, but he put himself in a deep hole 612 00:31:07,241 --> 00:31:10,275 and had to sell off your land the next year. 613 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:13,517 In total, he only had your property for, like, 14 months. 614 00:31:14,068 --> 00:31:15,517 So the guy was ruined. 615 00:31:15,551 --> 00:31:18,482 By 1952, he was suffering from hypertension. 616 00:31:19,413 --> 00:31:22,103 He suffers a stroke and he drops dead. 617 00:31:22,137 --> 00:31:24,862 So on his death certificate it shows he was only 49 years old. 618 00:31:24,896 --> 00:31:25,758 That's young. 619 00:31:27,517 --> 00:31:28,655 [Steve] Now, is it possible 620 00:31:28,689 --> 00:31:30,724 this guy Earl could be the guy who lost everything? 621 00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:32,620 I mean, sure. 622 00:31:34,034 --> 00:31:38,000 And what's interesting to me is that he came here, 623 00:31:38,034 --> 00:31:40,724 was here for 14 months, and lost everything. 624 00:31:40,758 --> 00:31:43,551 -I mean, it's like immediate financial ruin. -Yeah. 625 00:31:46,655 --> 00:31:50,689 [Steve] So you said there were three active dead people here. Who's the second one? 626 00:31:50,724 --> 00:31:55,931 So the second dead person that I saw was a dead man. 627 00:31:55,965 --> 00:31:59,586 He felt to me like he was in his late 30s or early 40s. 628 00:31:59,620 --> 00:32:03,241 I think this guy killed himself in the late '90s, early 2000s. 629 00:32:04,068 --> 00:32:06,137 He's very focused on whoever lives in 630 00:32:06,172 --> 00:32:07,965 the first bedroom on the second floor. 631 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,172 [Steve] And that's Adam's room? 632 00:32:09,206 --> 00:32:10,344 -[Cynthia] That's Adam's room, yes. -[Steve] Okay. 633 00:32:11,655 --> 00:32:16,551 So I feel like Adam must have seen this guy before, 634 00:32:16,586 --> 00:32:20,689 and this dead guy also changes his mood. 635 00:32:20,724 --> 00:32:22,448 -Mmm. -Mmm. 636 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:25,758 -He's making him feel depressed. -[whispering] Yeah. 637 00:32:25,793 --> 00:32:28,379 I didn't come across any suicides in my investigation, 638 00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:33,241 but when I spoke with Adam he told me he was feeling down and angry. 639 00:32:33,275 --> 00:32:36,551 He's depressed, he has anxiety, 640 00:32:37,344 --> 00:32:39,379 and he flies off the handle. 641 00:32:39,413 --> 00:32:40,862 Tell her about the accident. 642 00:32:40,896 --> 00:32:43,965 He had an accident in 2016... 643 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,620 -...and, um, he suffered a traumatic brain injury. -[Cindy] Mmm. 644 00:32:48,655 --> 00:32:51,172 And he was in a coma for, like, four days. 645 00:32:52,068 --> 00:32:53,275 He pulled through. 646 00:32:53,965 --> 00:32:55,965 He's a good, good-hearted kid. 647 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,275 -Mmm-hmm. And he's also very open. -Yes. 648 00:32:59,034 --> 00:33:00,620 That makes sense. 649 00:33:00,655 --> 00:33:02,965 Makes a lot of sense. [sighing] Yeah. 650 00:33:07,172 --> 00:33:10,241 [Cindy] So the third dead person that I want to talk about 651 00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:12,379 is the one that I'm most worried about. 652 00:33:13,172 --> 00:33:14,103 The woman. 653 00:33:14,137 --> 00:33:16,241 She's very present, she's very dangerous, 654 00:33:16,275 --> 00:33:19,275 and she's very focused on the woman in the house. 655 00:33:20,551 --> 00:33:22,137 One of the biggest things that she can do 656 00:33:22,172 --> 00:33:24,931 is she can make people fight. 657 00:33:24,965 --> 00:33:26,310 -[scoffs] -[Pedro] Oh, yeah. 658 00:33:26,344 --> 00:33:29,310 -Yeah. -All of a sudden, you'll just feel vicious rage. 659 00:33:30,241 --> 00:33:32,793 We don't get along, any of us. 660 00:33:32,827 --> 00:33:34,655 We're always in a rage, we're always angry, 661 00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:37,068 -we're always fighting with each other. -Mmm-hmm. 662 00:33:37,103 --> 00:33:40,103 When I start walking towards the house I still feel pretty good. 663 00:33:40,137 --> 00:33:43,724 But then, once I get through the doors, feel a heaviness. 664 00:33:43,758 --> 00:33:46,275 Like, it just hits, it hits me. 665 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:49,655 And then I start getting agitated. The littlest things bother me. 666 00:33:49,689 --> 00:33:50,448 Mmm-hmm. 667 00:33:50,482 --> 00:33:51,586 And you guys are worried 668 00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:54,068 that this is gonna cause a problem with your marriage. 669 00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:55,241 It already is. 670 00:33:55,275 --> 00:33:56,793 -It already is. -Yeah. 671 00:33:56,827 --> 00:33:59,793 We just can't stand [chuckling softly] each other. 672 00:33:59,827 --> 00:34:02,172 So, Cindy, can this dead woman do anything else 673 00:34:02,206 --> 00:34:03,689 besides make them fight? 674 00:34:03,724 --> 00:34:05,724 Yeah, I mean, she can get really physical. 675 00:34:06,965 --> 00:34:09,965 She's pushing people, she's pulling hair. 676 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,310 She pulls the covers off people... 677 00:34:13,482 --> 00:34:14,757 ...pulls their legs. 678 00:34:15,757 --> 00:34:17,724 And I had a sketch done of what I saw. 679 00:34:26,137 --> 00:34:27,896 You did say you don't like sleeping in there, right? 680 00:34:28,447 --> 00:34:29,103 [inhales] 681 00:34:33,068 --> 00:34:34,757 You're so scared of that room. 682 00:34:38,827 --> 00:34:43,137 I told you somebody is bothering me. [inhales] 683 00:34:43,172 --> 00:34:46,206 [Pedro] And I keep on fooling myself with, "Let's be realistic. 684 00:34:46,241 --> 00:34:48,275 I'm fooling myself. I know what's here." 685 00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:50,965 [Steve] Cindy, there's been a lot of physical attacks. 686 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,482 Cynthia wakes up with scratches and bruises. 687 00:34:53,516 --> 00:34:55,655 -This is a photo of the scratches on your back. -[Cindy] Wow. 688 00:34:55,688 --> 00:34:56,551 [Cynthia] Yes. 689 00:35:00,517 --> 00:35:03,103 Remember how I asked you to show me how you got shoved? 690 00:35:03,137 --> 00:35:08,965 Yes. I was walking down the stairs and I got just shoved. 691 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000 I just fell down on the floor. 692 00:35:12,034 --> 00:35:14,655 -Now, Pedro, you got choked in bed, right? -Mmm-hmm, yeah. 693 00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:15,758 Tell her about that. 694 00:35:15,793 --> 00:35:19,448 Well, sleeping and felt pressure. Woke me up. 695 00:35:19,482 --> 00:35:21,448 Couldn't breathe. Felt like I was choking. 696 00:35:21,482 --> 00:35:25,620 Looking around because there's nothing there, but I'm freaking out. 697 00:35:27,068 --> 00:35:28,517 Did you get anything else on her? 698 00:35:28,551 --> 00:35:30,689 I did get that she came from money. 699 00:35:30,724 --> 00:35:32,896 I know that she was from around here. 700 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:35,379 And I feel like she had a son who died, 701 00:35:35,413 --> 00:35:38,586 and obviously that made her really upset. 702 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:41,275 I kept hearing the name "Margaret" or "Mary." 703 00:35:42,862 --> 00:35:44,689 And I heard her coughing a lot, 704 00:35:44,724 --> 00:35:47,206 and that coughing made me feel like 705 00:35:47,241 --> 00:35:48,896 she would have passed away from cancer. 706 00:35:48,931 --> 00:35:50,482 She was very sick when she died. 707 00:35:50,517 --> 00:35:52,517 [Steve] So I have an idea who she might be talking about. 708 00:35:52,551 --> 00:35:54,724 There's a woman named Mabel Davis 709 00:35:54,758 --> 00:35:59,379 who owned this land from 1929 to 1943. 710 00:35:59,413 --> 00:36:02,034 Her husband, Doctor Stirley Davis, 711 00:36:02,068 --> 00:36:06,275 he was a bigshot who co-owned the Thomas-Davis clinic. 712 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:08,241 And they had clinics all over the damn place. 713 00:36:08,275 --> 00:36:11,103 But buying this land was the worst decision they ever made. 714 00:36:11,137 --> 00:36:13,034 About five weeks after they bought it, 715 00:36:13,068 --> 00:36:14,413 the couple's four-year-old son 716 00:36:15,482 --> 00:36:16,758 was playing in front of the house. 717 00:36:16,793 --> 00:36:19,310 -He ran out in the street and got hit by a car. -Oh, my God. 718 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:22,241 He was rushed to the hospital but he died a few hours later. 719 00:36:22,275 --> 00:36:24,068 Um, I have his death certificate here. 720 00:36:25,034 --> 00:36:26,413 Fractured skull is what killed him. 721 00:36:29,275 --> 00:36:31,068 [inhales] 722 00:36:31,103 --> 00:36:34,827 Now, this is gonna, it just, it freaked me out when she said it. 723 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:38,068 Two years after they lost their four-year-old son, 724 00:36:38,103 --> 00:36:40,413 the couple's 15-year-old daughter Margaret 725 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,068 -[gasps] -was also killed in a car accident. 726 00:36:42,103 --> 00:36:43,172 Oh, my God. 727 00:36:44,551 --> 00:36:47,137 -[Steve] And I, I have... -Oh, this is crazy. 728 00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:48,586 And I have her obit here. 729 00:36:51,344 --> 00:36:53,965 Now, the couple was left with one surviving child. 730 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,448 But the stress got to Doctor Davis, 731 00:36:57,482 --> 00:36:59,931 and he died of heart disease at the age of 60. 732 00:37:00,931 --> 00:37:03,275 Now, after that, Mabel sold the property. 733 00:37:04,137 --> 00:37:06,413 She died in 1959 in a rest home 734 00:37:06,448 --> 00:37:08,827 of, just like you said, cancer. 735 00:37:09,448 --> 00:37:10,482 It's definitely Mabel. 736 00:37:10,931 --> 00:37:11,655 [whispering] Wow. 737 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,103 [Steve] Please tell me we're done. 738 00:37:16,137 --> 00:37:17,655 [Cindy] No, unfortunately, there is more. 739 00:37:19,586 --> 00:37:26,448 There is definitely some sort of inhuman demonic force in this house. 740 00:37:26,482 --> 00:37:29,137 This thing can create shadow figures. 741 00:37:29,172 --> 00:37:31,275 I saw birds flying into windows. 742 00:37:31,862 --> 00:37:32,517 Wow. 743 00:37:33,793 --> 00:37:36,137 While I was doing a blessing one night, 744 00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:39,068 it sounded like 1,000 birds took off. 745 00:37:39,827 --> 00:37:40,758 It was a clear night. 746 00:37:40,793 --> 00:37:42,206 I could see through the tree, 747 00:37:42,241 --> 00:37:46,379 and no birds and no branches moving. 748 00:37:46,413 --> 00:37:48,655 Nothing. It scared me. 749 00:37:48,689 --> 00:37:50,586 You mentioned that this thing creates shadow figures. 750 00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:53,000 Adam saw a shadow figure in front of the house, 751 00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:54,655 -coming home one night. -Mmm-hmm. 752 00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:57,482 So now the big question is what the hell does this demon want? 753 00:37:57,517 --> 00:38:01,793 When I walked upstairs, I went into the girls' room. 754 00:38:01,827 --> 00:38:03,551 -Mmm. -[Steve] Okay, so that room 755 00:38:03,586 --> 00:38:06,448 -is their granddaughters' room. -Granddaughters' room. 756 00:38:06,482 --> 00:38:08,344 [Steve] They come visit here a lot. 757 00:38:08,379 --> 00:38:13,413 Unfortunately, I feel like it has its sights set on one of the girls. 758 00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:19,827 She might start becoming short-tempered, aggressive, mean. 759 00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,241 I feel like the situation is pretty dangerous. 760 00:38:23,448 --> 00:38:25,413 Does this ring a bell for anyone? 761 00:38:26,206 --> 00:38:28,655 [sighs] Yeah. 762 00:38:29,448 --> 00:38:30,275 Yeah, it does. 763 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:32,034 -[Steve] It does? -Yes. 764 00:38:32,068 --> 00:38:36,482 Sometimes I'll look at her and I swear she's looking right through me. 765 00:38:36,517 --> 00:38:39,275 -Mmm-hmm. -And I just stare in her eyes like I'm staring into yours, 766 00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:41,586 but it look like I'm seeing something else. 767 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:43,103 -And this is a little girl? -A little girl. 768 00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:44,206 She's never been like that, right? 769 00:38:44,241 --> 00:38:45,000 [Pedro and Cynthia] No. 770 00:38:45,586 --> 00:38:46,586 [Cynthia] I'm terrified. 771 00:38:47,482 --> 00:38:48,827 I'm very terrified. 772 00:38:48,862 --> 00:38:50,965 And it's not just the girls that are in danger, 773 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,275 it's your entire family. 774 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:53,275 -[Cynthia] Yes. -[Cindy] It's everyone. 775 00:38:53,931 --> 00:38:54,758 -I'm sorry. -[Cindy] Um. 776 00:38:56,241 --> 00:38:57,758 -Can I just get up for a minute? -[Steve] Yeah. 777 00:39:09,448 --> 00:39:10,793 [Steve] So, guys, I'm about to make 778 00:39:10,827 --> 00:39:12,275 the understatement of the year. 779 00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:14,758 You have a hell of a lot going on here. 780 00:39:16,068 --> 00:39:18,724 So now it's time to answer the big question. 781 00:39:18,758 --> 00:39:21,758 Is there any way to fight back against all of this? 782 00:39:21,793 --> 00:39:24,103 Or is time to do what Cynthia's wanted all along? 783 00:39:24,137 --> 00:39:27,758 Move out and make a fresh start somewhere else? 784 00:39:27,793 --> 00:39:30,206 For those answers, I'm gonna turn it over to my partner Cindy. 785 00:39:33,827 --> 00:39:37,137 I know you probably know what I'm about to say, 786 00:39:37,172 --> 00:39:40,586 -Yeah, I do. -and it's a very hard pill to swallow, 787 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:42,137 but you have to get out of this house. 788 00:39:45,275 --> 00:39:48,068 It's not safe for your family to stay here. 789 00:39:49,172 --> 00:39:50,448 I knew it was coming. 790 00:39:50,482 --> 00:39:52,413 I just, like I said, I was in denial. 791 00:39:53,655 --> 00:39:54,655 But I know what I needed, 792 00:39:54,689 --> 00:39:57,000 and I just knew it was gonna be 793 00:39:57,034 --> 00:39:58,310 what I'm hearing right now. 794 00:39:59,344 --> 00:40:01,379 I am relieved. 795 00:40:01,413 --> 00:40:06,241 What I felt all this time, that we needed to leave from this house 796 00:40:06,275 --> 00:40:09,344 because it was not safe for our family. 797 00:40:09,379 --> 00:40:15,206 And to hear it from you, now I know that it's not just me. 798 00:40:15,241 --> 00:40:17,551 -You're not crazy. -I'm not crazy, no. 799 00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:21,379 [Steve] You know, I don't know what you guys are gonna do, 800 00:40:21,413 --> 00:40:24,137 but if they do leave the property and settle someplace else 801 00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:25,689 their marriage will get back to normal. 802 00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:27,172 I really think that it will. 803 00:40:28,931 --> 00:40:30,689 Okay, so what about their granddaughter 804 00:40:30,724 --> 00:40:32,758 that's being targeted by this demon? 805 00:40:32,793 --> 00:40:35,482 [Cindy] I don't think that the kids are safe here. 806 00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:37,000 Those girls can't be here. 807 00:40:39,241 --> 00:40:41,310 I'd keep 'em away until you make a decision. 808 00:40:41,344 --> 00:40:44,137 -We already made it. -Yeah, we made it already. 809 00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:47,068 I'm gonna sell it. 810 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,241 -At the end of things, your family comes first. -Right. 811 00:40:53,275 --> 00:40:56,931 -Yes. -So, I know, Cynthia, this is what you wanted to hear, 812 00:40:56,965 --> 00:40:59,827 but, you know, it's still bad news. 813 00:40:59,862 --> 00:41:02,172 -It's still bad news. -Yeah. 814 00:41:02,206 --> 00:41:03,103 And I'm sad. 815 00:41:05,034 --> 00:41:07,620 Because it was, it was supposed to be our dream home. 816 00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:08,482 [Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 817 00:41:09,551 --> 00:41:10,689 We can build one more. 818 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,655 [whispering] Yeah. 819 00:41:15,137 --> 00:41:16,758 -Thank you. -Yeah. 820 00:41:17,655 --> 00:41:20,137 Thank you. Very grateful to everybody. 821 00:41:21,758 --> 00:41:23,965 [Cindy] Telling a family to leave their dream home 822 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,310 is the last thing I want to do, 823 00:41:26,344 --> 00:41:30,655 but this house and the land it sits on is beyond saving. 824 00:41:30,689 --> 00:41:32,586 I really hope they follow my advice 825 00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:34,379 and move as quickly as possible. 826 00:41:36,448 --> 00:41:39,103 If they do, their relationship will begin to heal 827 00:41:39,137 --> 00:41:41,931 and their grandkids can visit as often as they want. 828 00:41:49,172 --> 00:41:50,551 Hello, Steve and Cindy. 829 00:41:50,586 --> 00:41:53,137 We want to thank you for all your help. 830 00:41:53,172 --> 00:41:55,206 [Pedro] We have contacted the archdiocese 831 00:41:55,241 --> 00:41:58,310 and they are sending a priest out to bless our home. 832 00:41:58,344 --> 00:42:00,965 We've also contacted a shaman. 833 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000 And if there is no change we will move forward in the sale of our home. 834 00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:07,724 We appreciate everything you guys did for us. 835 00:42:07,758 --> 00:42:08,862 -Thank you. -Thank you.