[Amy Allan] There's this thing and it's really, really big.
And it feels bad.
Very dark.
I could see yellow eyes,
and this thing was, like, seven foot tall.
[Amy] It was summoned by somebody.
Bad, bad witch.
[Wandah] This person did bring something in here,
and when she left, she left it here.
So, I wanna talk about the bloodbath.
Their bodies were taken out and buried in unmarked graves.
This thing could cause mayhem
and hell and death and destruction.
This is my passion, this is my dream,
and he is not running me out.
[Amy] Whoever the [bleep] this is
definitely didn't want me to come here and find this out.
Man, I don't like this.
There's this thing that comes up.
And it's bad.
Very bad.
It tries to prevent me from going in.
And I was like, "Okay, that's weird,"
and it was like really, really big.
Like huge.
[exhales deeply]
Sorry, I am not totally feeling well.
[door creaking]
[Amy] Whatever this is,
it's driving me insane.
[Steve DiSchiavi] I'm here in the city of Madison, Alabama,
just outside of Huntsville.
I got a call from a lady named Lisa
who owns a metaphysical shop.
Now, you'd think people in that line of work
would be okay with the paranormal,
but Lisa sounds scared.
She says something is attacking her and her customers...
...and threatening to destroy the business.
She says if we can't help her...
...she's gonna shut the whole place down.
So, Lisa, this is quite a shop you got here.
But you've got this problem,
and when we spoke on the phone,
it sounded pretty bad.
What the hell's going on in this place?
[Lisa] I'm scared for my customers.
It's escalated to the point
where people are being ran out of here, attacked,
scratched, pushed, touched.
Customers are leaving, not coming back.
-I'm sorry. -[Steve] No, don't be.
You know what, it's not easy to have to deal with this.
And I keep apologizing to my customers...
...and, "We're gonna fix it, we're gonna fix it,"
and I keep apologizing and I'm tired of apologizing.
Yeah.
All right, so, Lisa, it's obviously a metaphysical store.
[Lisa] Mmm-hmm.
What exactly are you guys doing here?
[Lisa] We sell our crystals,
I do the handmade soy candles.
Uh, we have a palm reader, tarot reader,
we have an energies reader, we try to help people,
and guide them through their life path.
So, do you run this place by yourself,
you got a staff, what's going on?
This is a picture of all my staff.
This is Wandah,
she does all the magnificent artwork.
Of course, that's me, and then that's my husband, Ed,
he's the carpenter.
Then Carolyn, she does the energy sessions.
So, Lisa, do me a favor and, uh, give me a list
of, uh, what you guys are experiencing here.
[Lisa] We're hearing voices.
We've been seeing shadow figures.
It's physically attacking some of us.
-[Steve] Okay. -Especially the customers.
Like the lady that got scratched.
-She was upstairs in that room up here... -[Steve] Okay.
...and she came flying down the stairs,
I could hear her run,
she said, "You got a witch upstairs,
and she doesn't want me here,"
-and she flew out that door. -Really?
Yeah.
Are you guys doing seances, Ouija board stuff,
summoning the dead, breaking their balls, you know?
No, sir.
-[Steve] Okay. -I do not allow that in my shop,
but I had a medium here.
I'll be totally honest, that's when the activity
really got out of hand, after she left.
[Steve] Okay, that could be really important.
We'll see what Amy says.
Would it be easier just to close shop and move on?
If I had to shut this place down,
it would literally break my heart.
Okay.
You've got my back,
and I don't want to be scared anymore.
[chuckling] Okay.
-[Lisa] I'm sorry, I didn't think I do this. -[Steve] Yeah.
I just wanna say you guys just don't know
how much it means to me that you're here.
[Amy] I'm seeing that huge thing.
It's not that old.
Like, it's been here since, like, the 1850s,
and it was summoned by somebody
to cause problems.
Like, I feel like it's coming in here.
I don't like it.
I just heard, "Witchcraft,"
and it feels bad, negative, very dark.
I feel like somebody here likes practicing this, like...
...dark magic and, like, has made, like,
a relationship with this evil [bleep] thing
that's been here for a long ass time.
So, there aware of it?
This person was always practicing, like,
not good magic, and this thing,
you know, they, like, came together.
This person is...
...not a, not a good person.
Do you have any idea what this person's...
...relationship is to the place here?
Maybe they work here?
I will say this, whoever the [bleep] this is...
...definitely didn't want me to come here and find this out...
...because that thing tried to prevent me
from even going into the room to meet dead people.
So, it seems we're deeper into the store here.
So, what's going on?
Well, we've got security footage
of the back door flying open,
and nobody was around that door.
Okay, we're talking about this door back in here?
[Lisa] Yes.
[Steve] You said you caught it on video surveillance, right?
[Lisa] Yes.
Whoa!
All right, this looks like it might have been a storm,
was it windy that day?
A little bit, yes, it was windy,
that's why when the stuff flew off the shelves,
I attributed that to the wind.
[Steve] Right, but could the wind have blown the door open?
[Lisa] No, it's deadbolted.
The only way to open that door is with a key.
Right, and you're sure nobody went back there, opened it up by accident?
No, sir.
Okay, anything else?
I'll be at the register,
and something will come up
and start tapping on the back of my head.
Is it a...
No, no, it's not hard.
It was more like, "Hey, I'm here."
Okay.
And every once in a while, I feel like somebody's...
...got my gut in a grip.
It's like somebody's squeezing me inside.
And how long does the pain last?
-Just a few seconds. -Okay, but enough to get you...
Yeah, enough to get my attention,
and it'll go away.
[Steve] All right, so, anything else you can tell me about?
Well, my motion detector went off,
so, when I got up, I checked my phone,
and lo and behold,
I saw a child in the middle of the store.
Unfortunately, I do not have the footage anymore.
It was wearing a nightdress,
-curly blondish hair, seven or eight years old -Okay.
Did it look solid or was it an apparition?
It was an apparition.
Okay.
[Amy] I was shown...
...a little boy.
So, about five years old, I guess.
Wouldn't speak.
So, with this kid, I start, like,
I keep swallowing and swallowing and swallowing,
it's, like, okay, maybe it was a drowning death of some type.
This kid pops out, okay,
and he's like, "Ha, ha, ha!"
But I think that the living somehow hear this,
like, I think they would hear laughter or something up here.
Talking.
He's angry. Angry little kid.
He wants attention, and this is causing problems.
What kind of problems?
Breaking things, moving things...
uh, and throwing things.
Okay, Lisa, so, why'd you bring me
to this part of the store?
[Lisa] Because that's where
everybody feels the most uncomfortable.
-I won't go up there... -Okay.
...unless I absolutely have to.
Okay, so, what's happening that makes you so scared up here?
Every time I come down those stairs,
I feel like something's trying to push me down them.
How often does that happen?
Every time.
All right, anything else?
Now, I think something from upstairs followed me home.
One night I was making my candles,
and all of a sudden, I feel this branding burn
on my leg...
-Okay. -...and when I looked down,
the scratches started forming right in front of my eyes.
I was scared out of my mind,
but I got the feeling from behind me,
and when I turned around and looked,
I could see yellow eyes
and this thing was, like, seven foot tall,
and it felt so evil and so creepy.
It just, it scared the living nightmare out of me.
Well, maybe it's trying to show you what it's capable of
or look like to scare you.
Well, I could also hear in my head,
"I can do what I want to you."
It was a very, very deep,
gruff, rough voice.
Like something out of a--
[in low voice] "I can do whatever I...
I mean, just the growl in the voice.
All right, so, what do you think this thing wants?
Whatever the hell it is.
I think it wants to hurt somebody.
Especially me.
Okay.
[Amy] That huge thing that was summoned creeps me out.
So, it was very, very large,
and, uh, like skeletal-ish.
Didn't have, like, legs or anything,
it just kinda ended with a lower spine.
So, it had, like, a long spinal column,
there was, like, no nose,
you know, it's pretty skeletal looking,
but there's still some kind of...
...flesh, I guess.
Long white hair just kinda...
...crazy, and so anyways,
it, like, wraps a spine around me
and is trying to prevent me from going in.
Was it ever human?
If it was, it's, like, evil now.
Like, there's no...
...humanity left in it.
I mean, what would you call it at this point?
Evil.
[Steve] So, Ed, I was talking to wife, Lisa, earlier,
and, uh, she's really concerned about
the paranormal activity in this place.
What are your thoughts on that as far as what she's telling me?
[Ed] Well, I'm really concerned about her safety here.
I'm really, uh,
hoping y'all don't find anything bad here
because it's really bothering her and I'm really concerned about that.
[Steve] So, as far as experiences go,
have you had any?
[Ed] When I was doing renovations,
I would hear some voices.
Like, you think you hear something,
and you turn around and there's nothing there.
Did it sound like the voice was aggressive
or just normal?
Just normal.
Just like a low voice.
But I couldn't even understand what it was saying.
Is there anything else you can tell me about?
Yes, one time I was working upstairs,
and I turned and looked and saw a man standing on the stairs.
So, what, you got a good look at this guy?
Yes, yes, he was a very big, hefty, rough guy.
-I could pick him out of a lineup. -Okay.
He was a well-built man.
He had an overcoat on, beard, mustache,
kinda rough looking, unshaven,
uh, a flat-brimmed hat.
Any idea what time period this clothing could have been from?
It looked to be about 18th Century clothing.
[Steve] Okay.
So, we're gonna try to figure out what the hell's going on here,
but let me ask you a question,
if anybody tells your wife that, you know,
"This place can't be fixed, you gotta get the hell out of here,"
what's your thoughts on that?
Uh, if it can't be fixed,
then, yeah, we'll probably try to find another place
because I don't need anything bad to happen to my wife.
[Amy] So, there's some dude running around.
He doesn't stop running.
He keeps running around, running around, running around.
[sinister whispering]
He was here before, he's here now.
He's almost solid white.
Kind of misty, but solid.
Living people are seeing him as this, like, thick fog,
uh, in the shape of a person.
They would see him, like, coming from over there,
running through, running through.
A lot of movement with this dude.
So, he's causing problems.
[Steve] So, guys, I appreciate you meeting me up here.
When I talk to Lisa, she wanted nothing to do with coming up here.
Are you guys worried about her?
I am sincerely worried about Lisa.
She's trying to keep it together.
-[Wandah] She's trying... -Okay.
...but she's growing weaker.
Yeah.
So, when you are up here, what kind of feeling are you getting?
Feel like someone is right there...
...and they don't want you here.
It's kinda creepy.
Wandah, when you're here, do you feel the same way?
Yes, I do.
What's it feel like for you?
It feels like there's a presence around me
and that they're watching what I do.
So, Wandah, what else have you experienced?
Hearing knocking on the walls.
Nobody on the other side,
and they'll knock three times.
-Okay, now these are thick walls. -Mmm-hmm.
What do you think that is?
I think it's maybe just letting me know
that we're not alone in here.
So, Carolyn, anything else you could tell me about it?
[Carolyn] Yes.
There was a day where a picture that I had in my room
just fell on the floor and went over the table
on to the floor.
-And this picture was hanging? -Yes.
So, like it got flung?
-Yeah. -Right. Right.
So, when I was talking to Lisa earlier,
she mentioned there had been an employee here
who was doing her own stuff
that might have been inviting the wrong type of spirits in.
Do you think that is what might have caused some of the problems here?
I feel that this person
did bring something in here very wrong,
and when she left, she left it here.
She didn't send it back.
Okay, and now, do you think this is something she was doing on purpose
or that she didn't realize what she was doing?
-I think she did it on purpose. -Okay.
[Amy] That guy who's running around,
he just seems really...
...strung out.
What the [bleep] his problem?
[sinister whispering]
Ooh, I don't like this guy.
I'm getting something big happening.
Uh, people are panicked, they're freaking out,
they're [bleep] terrified.
I'm getting way too much information.
I'm getting a lot of people that are scared,
they're scared, they're panicked, and they're...
...freaking out.
Mmm...
[Steve] So, I'm heading over to meet a local historian
who reached out with some news that blew me away.
She discovered Lisa's store was moved from another state...
...and that first location was the scene of a brutal bloodbath.
Well, Jacque, thanks for meeting with me
and helping me out with this case, I appreciate it.
Okay, so, let's get to the cabin's original location,
where was that?
[Jacque Procter Reeves] It was in Taft, Tennessee.
Okay, so, how far is Taft from my client's property?
About 20 miles. Just over the line into Tennessee.
Okay, so, it's pretty close.
Very.
Do you know when the cabin was built?
It was first documented in 1835,
although some of the family descendants
believe it was built in upper 1790s.
Okay, so, the cabin at some point comes to my client's property.
Who lived in it when it was first built in Tennessee?
At that time it was William Bartlett Milam...
-Okay. -...and his wife Lucinda.
And when he passed away, it went to the second son, Wiley.
[Steve] Okay, so, what do we know about Wiley?
[Jacque] Wiley was in the Confederate Army,
serving with Army of Tennessee.
[Steve] I mean, there's a lot of history here.
[Jacque] Yes.
So, I wanna talk about the bloodbath.
What's that all about? What happened?
Sometime before 1863,
four Union soldiers entered into the cabin,
and they were killed by someone using
what they called an Arkansas toothpick.
It was a stylized knife from that era.
[Steve] So, we know that Wiley served with the Confederates.
-[Jacque] Right. -And were they there for him?
We do know that the Union soldiers
could go into anybody's house
and take whatever provisions that they needed
or they could take whatever valuables the family had,
and they could send them back north.
They call that foraging.
Right. Today we call it robbery.
-That's right -[chuckling] Okay.
So, we don't know exactly why they were killed.
Only that they were not welcome.
We do know that their bodies were taken out,
and buried in a family cemetery in unmarked graves.
Okay, so, we got cabin that was in Tennessee
about 20 miles from my client's property
where four people were stabbed to death, basically.
Then it's moved to where my client is,
and I'm curious if my client knew
what the hell she was getting into when she bought this place.
[Amy] That dude, the dude who runs around...
...I'm getting a, something big happening.
Uh, people are panicked, they're freaking out.
Something about a robbery.
Uh, like a robbery gone wrong.
Uh, hearing that very loud.
And then that evil thing, it caused...
...possibly a big fight
that killed a lot of men.
Four people that died
that it directly had something to do with their death,
and I think it's caused a lot of issues.
[Steve] This is unusual,
but I just got a call from a woman who owns a farm
near the spot where Lisa's store was first located.
She tells me a bunch of people are buried in unmarked graves on her land.
Says the place used to be a poor farm,
and the conditions were absolutely brutal.
I gotta see this place for myself.
So, Shari, what kind of people were sent to this poor farm?
Basically, a place where they would send people
whether they were poor or had some indigent problem
like some kind of disability
and they couldn't support themselves
or some kind of physical ailment,
and they just, their families couldn't care for them.
So, how long was it run as a poor farm here?
It moved out here in 1874,
and it run nearly 100 years.
It closed down in 1961.
So, on the phone, you mentioned the conditions
were horrible here. How so?
[Shari McGraw] The conditions were pretty rough at times.
Here's a couple of newspaper articles.
[Steve] Urgh, covered with vermin.
So, these guys were living in terrible conditions,
it sounds like.
[Shari] Yes.
-Typically, when you came out here, you died here. -Right.
There was about 100 to 200 people
according to these two reports here
that died out here.
You know, back then they had caskets that they kept on hand
so that they were prepared for when someone would pass away.
[Steve] Outside of natural causes,
what else did some of the people die from here?
Back then, people died of things
that are treatable today like pneumonia.
They had dysentery, cholera,
you know, they could die of mental illness even.
[Steve] It's too bad. This is a beautiful property,
but the history's pretty shameful.
[Amy] I feel sick.
Lots of illness.
Yeah, sick. So sick.
I'm feeling it from a lot of people.
[cameraman] Is it any particular kind of illness?
I wanna say something like
hot and cold chills,
nausea, um,
maybe flu
or, like, dysentery.
-This is multiple people being affected by this? -Yeah.
Particular time span?
1870s.
I don't think that living people would feel very well being...
...in this space at all.
Horrible nausea.
Horrible stomach issues.
Uh, like, painful heart issues.
Oh, God, not good.
Not good.
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[Steve] So far, I have a client worried sick
for the safety of her employees and customers...
...and a cabin where four people were stabbed to death
and buried in unmarked graves.
But I wanna see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I come across an article about a young girl
who was brutally murdered by her jealous husband
just down the street from Lisa's property.
I reached out to a retired copy I know who lives in this area.
He pulled some files on this case for me,
and says the victim never got real justice.
Shannon, it's good to see you again.
So, before we get to this tragic murder
that you talked about on the phone,
what do we know about the victim?
Well, the victim in this case is female Florence Moore.
In 1949, she married a man named Harry Retus.
The marriage license says she was 18,
well, that's a lie, she was 16.
Okay.
Do you have any idea what kind of relationship they had?
Well, it was a very tumultuous one.
Within a few months of the wedding
she had moved back home to mama.
All right, Shannon, let's get to the homicide.
What happened?
On April 16th of 1949,
Florence went out with another man,
James Thomas Binford, age 22,
and as they were coming home from the date,
they have no idea that Harry is waiting in the bushes with a shotgun.
Not 60 feet away of 'em, a shotgun blast rings out,
hits Florence in the stomach.
What about this guy James she went out with,
what happened with him?
Well, instead of hanging around to help with the investigation,
he goes home and goes to bed.
[chuckling] Okay.
All right, so, he's a real, uh, stand-up guy, this James.
All right, so, we know the husband did this shooting,
did they ever catch up to him that night?
They got him pretty quickly.
Okay, what happened? Did he confess?
Not initially.
Initially, he denies any involvement with the shooting,
but eventually he breaks down and tells 'em
that he still loved Florence and that he shot to scare her,
he didn't mean to hit her,
and even tells the deputies where the shotgun is.
And they come back out to the scene,
they find the shotgun under the house right where he said it would be.
Okay, so, we got a confession, we got the murder weapon,
sounds like a pretty good case.
Yeah, they also find footprints out there where Harry's hiding.
Now, when we spoke on the phone,
you said something about her not getting justice, the victim.
Well, not really.
He was charged with capital murder, but he takes a plea deal
and deals it down to murder two,
and he gets 35 years.
So, he gets 35 years, how much time does he actually do?
Well, he actually does 20.
When did he get out?
He was paroled in 1969.
In 1973, he was pardoned of it.
-For what reason? -I have no idea.
What happens after that?
Well, he lives to 1988
where he dies on Valentine's Day.
That's a little ironic, right?
Right, Cupid and the reaper got him at the same time.
[Amy] Whoever summoned that huge evil thing,
they meant to do it.
Do you have any idea what they're trying to do with this thing?
Curse people. They can send it to people to cause harm.
Uh, they can do death magic.
I mean, they can do whatever they want.
-They're, like, willfully trying to mess with people? -Yeah.
Yeah, they're not, like, messing around and accidentally--
No!
Yeah, when you're doing [bleep] like that,
you're summoning, you're [bleep] working with dark energies all the time.
What kind of effects could those actually have?
Uh, it could kill somebody.
Uh, it could [bleep] up their lives.
It could go on for generations, I mean...
...depends on who they're pissed at and why they're doing it.
Bad, bad witch. Mmm.
I saw a lot of horrifying things on my walk,
but two concerned me the most.
First, the tall evil thing.
The lower part of it was all spinal column.
Then I'm looking at it like this, okay?
And it hunched over,
uh, with its face, like, in my face.
But it was wrapped around me.
It has a rib cage,
uh, that's all skeletal.
The arms were all skeletal
up until you get to its head.
And the hair goes all the way down the spinal column.
Next I described the dead little boy
having a tantrum and breaking things.
He had, uh, like,
a small round head.
Uh, chubby upper cheeks.
The eyes were pretty big,
very mischievous look.
He was average weight.
Oh, his eyelashes were even longer.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes.
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So, ladies, I'd like you to meet Amy.
Now, this doesn't happen too often,
but she had a hell of time during the walk,
and asked us to move the reveal, so that's why we're here.
Um, Amy meet Lisa,
she owns the place you did the walk in,
and this is Wandah, one of her employees.
Now, I don't even know if you realized it,
but you were walking through a metaphysical shop.
Hmm, okay, that explains some stuff.
[chuckling]
The shop is Lisa's lifelong dream,
but activity is so bad,
she doesn't know if it's even safe for her customers
or employees to be there.
So, unless Amy's got some questions for you guys,
she'll tell us about her walk.
[Amy] So, it was a difficult walk.
There was so much energy there
and around it.
There were a lot of people,
and they were very, very sick.
I got that these people were from around the 1870s.
I think the living would feel, uh, more often than not, sick.
Having the hot and cold like I did, nausea,
and a lot of really painful stomach issues.
And now you know why we aren't there.
So, Lisa, do me a favor and tell Amy about feeling sick.
I just start feeling really nauseous,
I get really bad migraines.
Wandah, do you ever feel sick at work?
Yes, I have.
I get a lot of nausea...
-[Steve] Right. -...and actual burning up.
[Steve] Well, Amy, the first thing you should know,
the building where Lisa's business is has actually been moved.
The cabin was first built in the 1790s
up in Taft, Tennessee,
which is about 20 miles away from here.
Now, as far as the sickness you felt,
when it was in its original location,
the cabin was right next to the Lincoln County poor farm.
Now, lots of people were sent there, the poor, the sick, the mentally ill,
basically, society's outcasts.
People suffered from every disease known to man.
A lot of dysentery, flu, tuberculosis, stuff like that.
Now, so many inmates died on the farm
they kept a rotating supply of caskets on site.
-They don't know for sure... -Mmm.
...but up to 200 people were buried in unmarked graves
from 1874 to 1961.
Now, do you think this has anything to do with the sicknesses you felt?
Oh, yeah.
Do you guys know about this place being near the poor farm?
-No, sir. No. -[Wandah] We knew nothing.
-[Steve] Really? -We did not know that part of the history.
But it actually explains a lot.
[Steve] All right, so, what else?
Yeah, the next thing is this little dead child.
The way he appeared to me,
he looks pretty recent.
Like, I wouldn't put him earlier than the 1950s.
He told me he was five.
He's angry and he does act up.
He wants attention, and this is causing problems.
What kind of problems?
Breaking things, moving things...
...uh, and throwing things.
[Steve] Lisa, do me a favor and explain to Amy
what happened when the door came flying open.
I'm the only one that has a key,
and it's a bolt lock.
It flew open and things started flying
and all hell broke loose.
[Steve] This was actually caught by the store's surveillance camera.
I'll just cue this video up for ya.
[Lisa on video] Whoa!
[Amy] Wow!
Oh, damn!
[Steve] Lisa, didn't you also see a kid on your security camera?
[Lisa] Yes.
Through the camera we saw a child
reaching for the ball
like it wanted to play with the ball.
[Steve] She saw this from her app at home,
but unfortunately didn't keep the recording.
So, we don't know what the kid looks like.
So, I did have a sketch done of what I saw.
He looks like a little rat bastard.
[Wandah] Ooh!
[Wandah] He looks like the trickster I talked about.
[Amy] So, you've seen him?
[Lisa] Yeah, we call him the trickster in the cabin.
He goes around just knocking things down.
Yeah, just misbehaving.
[Lisa] "Hey, I'm here, notice me"
is the feel I get sometimes.
I get poked at the back of my head when I'm at the register.
But I've had a few customers being touched.
That sounds like something this little kid might be doing.
-Yeah. -[Steve] Yeah. Okay.
Okay, so, anything else?
There was this guy.
He was always moving, running, running, moving.
I saw him really as a very, uh,
thick, white kind of fog in the shape of a man.
He's got issues, he's got problems,
I don't know what they are
'cause he wouldn't frickin' stop long enough to say much,
but I definitely would think
that you guys would have seen him.
He may make people feel sick and anxious,
and there was a lot of fear and panic with him.
We've had our share of panic attacks.
He doesn't quite understand
what happened to him,
and he absolutely can interact with the physical environment.
Generally think he would be freaking people out.
Lisa, you had mentioned the customers
might be experiencing what this guy might be doing
and running out of the shop.
[chuckling] I could see that.
I've had customers being slapped across the face.
Mmm, okay.
And another lady got scratched on her leg,
and they've not come back.
And it's been over a year,
and these people are not coming back into the shop.
Scared 'em to death.
[Steve] So, Lisa, when I spoke to Ed,
he told me about an apparition he saw upstairs.
Yes.
My husband, Ed, saw this apparition appear on the stairway,
and he was about 5'8", 5'10",
wearing a duster, dark hair and a hat.
Could that be this guy?
Yeah.
Anything on him when he was alive?
There was a large event
associated with him.
There were four people killed.
I kept getting, "A robbery gone wrong,"
and a male in particular being like,
"Oh, my God, this is actually happening."
I spoke to a local historian
who told me about a deadly attack
that reminds me of what you saw.
Uh, it happened some time during the Civil War.
At that time, Wiley Milam owned the place,
-and he was a Confederate soldier. -Urgh.
[Steve] Four Union soldiers enter the cabin,
they were coming to take supplies.
Back then it was called foraging.
It Brooklyn we call it a robbery.
The Milams fought back.
All four Union soldiers were stabbed and killed.
Now, they were dragged out of the house,
and buried in unmarked graves in the Milam family cemetery.
Mmm.
So, I'm curious if this guy you saw running around
has something to do with this.
[Amy] I really can't say for sure,
but it's interesting.
Okay.
[Amy] There's this other thing there.
It's not good.
I just call it, I, I, you know, the evil thing.
This thing was huge.
I mean, I would say about eight feet tall.
I don't know if it was ever a human,
but, like, because now it's just lost all humanity,
it's just this nasty thing.
It does not have legs,
the spinal column goes all the way down,
but it has ribs.
It had, like, this white crazy hair.
It's pretty much skeletal
except there's some skin still hanging on.
I did have a sketch done
of what it was trying to do to me to prevent me...
from going, moving forward.
If you weren't freaked out before, you will be now.
[Lisa] Wow.
I feel like I'm being squeezed.
Mmm-hmm.
[Amy] Yeah, that would be this thing.
It's not good.
That is definitely what's causing our problems.
Definitely.
[Lisa] Carolyn and I came to see the building,
and the very first time that we walked in,
we both felt this heavy oppressive feeling,
and we both got off balance,
and it was like something literally was trying
to push us right back out the door.
-Yeah. Yeah. -"You're not welcome."
That would be this thing.
Ooh, wait a minute, you, uh,
you mentioned about something when you went home,
what you saw.
Yes, I saw this huge,
gigantic seven-foot thing,
and it had glowing yellow eyes,
and told me he can do whatever he wanted to me.
I was hysterical crying.
So, could this thing follow her home?
Mmm.
I had never been so scared in my life.
But why is it at the shop?
It was summoned to cause chaos.
When I went upstairs,
I heard, "Witchcraft."
This is not positive witchcraft,
this is somebody practicing the dark arts.
Because they are a dark art practitioner,
they formed a relationship with this thing.
I don't know if they're conscious of it or not.
This person has always dabbled in this, okay?
You had a former employee
who was bringing dead people into the shop.
Right?
Yeah, she claimed to be a medium.
Mmm.
She was bringing them in, but not sending them on.
Her calling in the dead,
I wasn't comfortable with that.
After she left,
uh, things started picking up.
Oh.
Now, you mentioned it's evil and lost its humanity...
Yes.
...but what's the big threat with this thing?
Left unchecked,
without throwing up barriers,
this thing could cause mayhem
and hell and death and destruction.
That [bleep] is not winning.
-[Wandah] No. -[Lisa] He's not winning. Mmm-mmm.
This is my passion, this is my dream,
and he is not running me out.
[owl hooting]
Okay, guys, you finally know what you're dealing with.
A rat bastard kid...
...the guy who runs around like a meth head,
and this big monster-looking thing.
Question is can you get rid of it,
and if so, what's it gonna take?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
[Amy] First thing you're going to do
is get rid of the tall evil thing.
Okay, so, every night for one month,
burn frankincense and myrrh
at the approximate center of the location.
This thing will be absolutely repelled by this.
And I would do this, anybody that it's followed,
do it at your house as well.
Then, uh, as far as the running man
and the dead child,
it would be great to find a medium
who will move on the dead that are there, okay?
This medium would go inside the location,
and just put out a call,
"Okay, any dead people who are here
who would like to move on, let's do this."
[Steve] And that will kick this bratty kid
and the running man out of the store?
Yeah.
Are they about to feel better after she starts implementing these?
Yeah, it'll take some time,
but you should feel better and better and better.
Oh, my God, you guys just took ten tons off me.
Are you gonna do what she says?
I'm on board 150%.
Thank you so much.
-[Wandah] Yeah. -Because you kept, you kept the family together.
-[Wandah] We really do. -We get to keep our shop.
-I'm so happy. -[Amy chuckling]
[Lisa] I'm so happy.
I was so scared.
Thank you very, very much.
-We got your ass, we got your number... -[Wandah] Mmm-hmm.
...we got your ticket, and you're done. You're done.
[Amy] I'm glad I was able to deliver good news
to Lisa and Wandah.
If they follow my advice to remove the tall evil thing
and call in a medium to move on the dead,
I believe their shop will be a lot safer
for their employees and customers
for many years to come.
Hi, Amy and Steve.
Just to give you an update,
uh, we took Amy's advice.
Everything here is calmer,
better, nobody's getting sick.
We called the lady in,
and within 20 minutes, she had the cabin cleared, the door closed,
and that nasty thing upstairs is gone.
And we really, really, really appreciate
everything you did for us,
and things are much better.
We don't have customers running out the door screaming anymore.
And Lisa's happy.
And I'm very happy.
Thank you very much, guys.
Thank you.