1 00:00:10,567 --> 00:00:12,467 [Cindy] There's dark energy. 2 00:00:12,467 --> 00:00:14,967 It feels like a black mass. 3 00:00:14,967 --> 00:00:18,333 People will wake up and they feel like something is on their chest. 4 00:00:19,367 --> 00:00:22,867 Feels almost like something is sitting on your chest. 5 00:00:22,867 --> 00:00:25,367 She doesn't want me here, she doesn't want other people here. 6 00:00:25,367 --> 00:00:26,767 She's angry. 7 00:00:26,767 --> 00:00:28,367 Did you see who's trying to attack you? 8 00:00:28,367 --> 00:00:31,367 A really tall figure. Like, taller than this ceiling. 9 00:00:33,367 --> 00:00:34,467 They took him out back 10 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:36,634 and they hung him over a telephone pole. 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,367 This dark mass is very, very dangerous. 12 00:00:40,367 --> 00:00:42,400 It can cause death. I believe that. 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,166 I don't like this at all. 14 00:00:44,166 --> 00:00:46,066 [sniffles] 15 00:00:46,066 --> 00:00:47,867 [Cindy] It wants bad things to happen 16 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:49,934 because that's how it gets stronger. 17 00:00:50,867 --> 00:00:53,767 I keep hearing "Murder. Murder. Murder." 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,100 My name is Cindy Kaza. 19 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:57,767 I'm a psychic medium. 20 00:00:57,767 --> 00:01:01,700 Somebody is conjuring up the spirits in this house, I swear to God. 21 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:03,400 I ask questions of the dead... 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,333 These people are grave robbers. 23 00:01:05,967 --> 00:01:07,867 ...to find answers for the living. 24 00:01:07,867 --> 00:01:10,967 I'm 100% sure that we're dealing with something demonic. 25 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:14,100 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 26 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,567 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 27 00:01:16,567 --> 00:01:18,700 So when he jumps you like that, what happens? 28 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:20,100 It's my job to dig up history 29 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,166 on every house we've investigate. 30 00:01:22,166 --> 00:01:23,500 I wanna talk about the bloodbath. 31 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,567 And dig up secrets that wanna stay hidden. 32 00:01:25,567 --> 00:01:27,567 We've done everything but burn the house down. 33 00:01:27,567 --> 00:01:29,266 Together we help terrified families... 34 00:01:29,266 --> 00:01:31,367 A man's voice said, "I'm going to kill you." 35 00:01:31,367 --> 00:01:33,367 ...decide whether it's safe to stay... 36 00:01:33,367 --> 00:01:37,266 [crying] Let him sit there and fight this thing. 37 00:01:37,266 --> 00:01:38,767 ...or pack a bag and get out. 38 00:01:38,767 --> 00:01:41,567 His goal would be to have you all die. 39 00:02:09,867 --> 00:02:11,266 [Cindy] Okay. 40 00:02:11,266 --> 00:02:12,767 Before I even got here, 41 00:02:12,767 --> 00:02:17,834 I had a feeling that there's something deeply connected to the property. 42 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:23,867 So I brought some tobacco 43 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:26,100 because I wanna leave an offering 44 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:28,400 and ask the spirit's permission to work here 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,734 because there's something going on definitely in the land. 46 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:37,533 So I need to find a spot to do that. 47 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:43,634 Yeah. 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:48,967 It's about respect. 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,100 [Steve] I'm in Modjeska Canyon, California. 50 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:14,667 A small mountain community 51 00:03:14,667 --> 00:03:16,667 about an hour and a half south of LA. 52 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:20,100 I got a desperate call from a lady named Lisa. 53 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,266 Says she and her husband bought their dream home a few years ago. 54 00:03:23,266 --> 00:03:26,634 It was a total fixer-upper, but the second they started doing work on it, 55 00:03:27,467 --> 00:03:28,934 all hell broke loose. 56 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,834 She sounds terrified and I'm really hoping we can help her out. 57 00:03:37,967 --> 00:03:39,967 So, Lisa, I gotta tell you. Driving up here? 58 00:03:39,967 --> 00:03:40,967 This is absolutely beautiful. 59 00:03:40,967 --> 00:03:42,867 Beautiful home, beautiful property, 60 00:03:42,867 --> 00:03:45,367 but you sounded miserable on the phone. 61 00:03:45,367 --> 00:03:48,266 Um, can you explain why? [chuckles nervously] 62 00:03:48,266 --> 00:03:50,800 We've sunk our heart and our soul, 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,166 every bit of savings we had into renovating a gorgeous house 64 00:03:55,166 --> 00:03:57,800 and hopefully somewhere we could live forever. 65 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,867 But shortly after we moved in, everything started. 66 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:06,100 And it has turned into splitting our family apart 67 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:10,800 and kind of terrorizing us. 68 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,266 Okay, Lisa, let's start with basics. Who lives in the house? 69 00:04:13,266 --> 00:04:14,567 This is a picture. 70 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:19,100 -This is my husband Kevin. -[Steve] Okay. 71 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:20,500 [Lisa] Our son Steele. 72 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:22,166 Now things are so bad here, 73 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:24,200 Steele won't live in the house. 74 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,033 So we actually have him living in a separate place on the property here. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,166 So, Lisa, do me a favor 76 00:04:31,166 --> 00:04:33,667 and give me a list of what you guys are experiencing. 77 00:04:33,667 --> 00:04:37,367 -When we're here, we all feel a heavy presence. -[Steve] Okay. 78 00:04:37,367 --> 00:04:42,066 [Lisa] We see shadow figures. It's become physical. 79 00:04:42,066 --> 00:04:45,200 And now, unfortunately, it's affecting our health. 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,266 What's going on with the health? What's the problem? 81 00:04:47,266 --> 00:04:51,600 Well, when we moved here, maybe within six months' time, 82 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,100 Kevin, my husband, was diagnosed with cancer. 83 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:58,467 What kind of cancer did your husband come down with? 84 00:04:58,467 --> 00:05:00,767 -Kidney cancer. -[groans] All right. 85 00:05:00,767 --> 00:05:02,667 Um, how's he doing now? 86 00:05:02,667 --> 00:05:04,066 [Lisa] He's recovered. 87 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:06,667 [Steve] So, Lisa, you mentioned on the phone 88 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:08,100 that when you guys started doing renovations, 89 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:09,367 that's when things went haywire. 90 00:05:09,367 --> 00:05:11,000 What was it like here? 91 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:16,000 When we first came to the property, this was a wooden shack. 92 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,667 I mean, did you take pictures? 93 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:19,266 We did. Let me show you. 94 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,000 My husband did almost all of the work by hand. 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,367 [Steve] So do you think this is what stirred everything up? 96 00:05:33,367 --> 00:05:36,634 I definitely think that it had something to do with it. 97 00:05:37,066 --> 00:05:38,266 Okay. 98 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,033 [Lisa] There's a lot going on in this house. 99 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:47,100 The land is a big piece of this. It's huge. 100 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:50,266 It's a big deal. It's a big deal. 101 00:05:51,266 --> 00:05:53,266 I wouldn't be renovating anything here, 102 00:05:53,266 --> 00:05:55,066 I wouldn't be building anything on here, 103 00:05:55,066 --> 00:05:56,500 I wouldn't be digging into anything 104 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,266 until they get to the bottom of it. 105 00:05:59,266 --> 00:06:03,500 What would they be looking at if they were to... 106 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:08,333 It just stirs the pot. It's stirs things up. It makes it worse. 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,634 Yeah, I don't like it. It's not good. 108 00:06:22,567 --> 00:06:25,166 [door creaking] 109 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,567 In the house, I start to feel physical problems 110 00:06:34,567 --> 00:06:37,634 like maybe dizzy, disoriented. 111 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:41,166 The woman that lives here? 112 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,533 -Okay. Mmm-hmm. -[Cindy] The woman of the house? 113 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:45,734 She has to be really careful. 114 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:49,567 I just feel like there's a jealousy, there's a rage, 115 00:06:49,567 --> 00:06:52,634 there's a... from the spirit world onto her. 116 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:02,066 [Steve] Okay. So, Lisa, what's going on that you brought me in the kitchen? 117 00:07:02,066 --> 00:07:05,266 I get these awful thoughts that enter my mind. 118 00:07:05,266 --> 00:07:07,767 Okay, give me an example. What are we talking about? 119 00:07:07,767 --> 00:07:11,166 It's picking out a sweater to wear and thinking, 120 00:07:11,166 --> 00:07:12,567 "Oh, what should I wear today," 121 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:15,467 and something's saying, "Pick what you're gonna wear, 122 00:07:15,467 --> 00:07:16,934 'cause today you're gonna die." 123 00:07:17,367 --> 00:07:18,600 -Really? -Yeah. 124 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,367 It makes you kind of feel like you're a little bit crazy. 125 00:07:21,367 --> 00:07:22,867 All right. So, is there anything else? 126 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:24,400 Sometimes it just feels like 127 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:30,467 there's a heavy, dark blanket over everything. 128 00:07:30,467 --> 00:07:33,467 So we're talking about emotions, not physical? 129 00:07:33,467 --> 00:07:35,500 Guess it's a little bit of both. 130 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:37,300 Physical part, what's it feel like to you? 131 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:40,667 Feels almost like something's sitting on your chest. 132 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:44,867 It's almost like everything is slower and heavier and harder to do. 133 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:46,567 [Steve] How about the mood? 134 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:48,934 Everything just feels dark. 135 00:07:49,567 --> 00:07:50,834 Okay. 136 00:07:53,266 --> 00:07:55,667 [Cindy] Something is so off about this room. 137 00:07:55,667 --> 00:07:58,800 It feels... so off. 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,900 And then there's something else. 139 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:04,066 It feels like a black mass. 140 00:08:04,066 --> 00:08:06,233 It feels connected to the land. 141 00:08:07,266 --> 00:08:08,567 It feels oppressive. 142 00:08:08,567 --> 00:08:12,266 It feels like people will wake up in the middle of the night, 143 00:08:12,266 --> 00:08:15,900 and they feel like something is on their chest. 144 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:19,567 They might feel something sitting down next to them on the bed. 145 00:08:19,567 --> 00:08:21,467 Or feel, like you know, a presence. 146 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:24,667 You know when a spirit sits on the bed and it makes an indentation? 147 00:08:24,667 --> 00:08:25,433 Okay. 148 00:08:25,433 --> 00:08:27,967 So I feel like people have seen that. 149 00:08:27,967 --> 00:08:30,066 They're laying there and like, "What's happening?" 150 00:08:30,066 --> 00:08:32,934 I'm seeing an indentation, there's a spirit sitting on the bed with me. 151 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,767 [Steve] Okay, Lisa, so this is your bedroom. 152 00:08:40,767 --> 00:08:42,166 Okay, so what's going on? 153 00:08:42,166 --> 00:08:43,900 This is the room where we get touched. 154 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:47,000 It's usually our legs or our feet. 155 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,100 [Steve] How often is that happening? 156 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:49,667 It's a couple times a week. 157 00:08:49,667 --> 00:08:51,200 And what else is going on? 158 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,367 It's hard to explain, but it seems to be that there is a woman. 159 00:08:55,367 --> 00:09:00,300 It's like I feel her, and we hear her. We never see her. 160 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:02,867 What makes you think it's a female if you can't see her? 161 00:09:02,867 --> 00:09:04,934 Because we hear a female voice. 162 00:09:06,667 --> 00:09:08,600 All right, so can you make out what she's saying? 163 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,767 So... 164 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,600 Most of the time, I can't. 165 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,367 But there are occasions where I can make out some of it. 166 00:09:15,367 --> 00:09:20,767 So I have kept this notepad by my bed and write down, scribble words 167 00:09:20,767 --> 00:09:22,667 that I feel like I have heard from her. 168 00:09:22,667 --> 00:09:23,700 Okay. 169 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,400 This one just says "Can't live like this." 170 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,867 This one, "Remember me." 171 00:09:28,867 --> 00:09:31,500 Okay. We're here, we're gonna do this investigation. 172 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:33,000 What are you hoping you can get out of it? 173 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,667 Hope we get our lives back. 174 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:37,000 Hope we get the house back that we wanted. 175 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,467 It doesn't feel like it's our house. 176 00:09:39,467 --> 00:09:41,100 Hopefully, we can change that. 177 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:42,533 I hope so. 178 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:49,834 I'm seeing a woman and she's active in the house. 179 00:09:50,166 --> 00:09:52,033 She's very fast. 180 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:57,100 But it's strange because I see her, like, shifting. 181 00:09:57,100 --> 00:09:58,900 It feels like a shapeshifter. 182 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:02,233 Sometimes people will see a woman, she might come as a mist. 183 00:10:05,367 --> 00:10:08,867 The woman spirit is super active in this area. 184 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:11,300 Does she get physical at all? 185 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,667 I feel like people might feel touched by her. 186 00:10:13,667 --> 00:10:15,667 Might feel a little bit of a push. 187 00:10:15,667 --> 00:10:20,000 Especially breathing or something breathing like in the ear. 188 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,767 She's just very aggressive, in the sense, energetically. 189 00:10:22,767 --> 00:10:25,367 She doesn't have boundaries. 190 00:10:25,367 --> 00:10:28,100 People can feel something behind them. 191 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,266 She'll make people really uncomfortable, give them anxiety. 192 00:10:35,467 --> 00:10:37,567 Can't breathe in here. Oh, my God. Wow. 193 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:42,767 This dead woman hates living people in her space. 194 00:10:42,767 --> 00:10:45,834 She doesn't want me here, she doesn't want other people here. 195 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:48,100 And she's angry. 196 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:49,233 That's how it feels. 197 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,934 Yeah. 198 00:11:11,066 --> 00:11:13,066 -Hey, Kev. -Hey, what's up, Steve? 199 00:11:13,066 --> 00:11:16,367 -You got a minute to talk or are you busy? -Sure. No, I'm not busy. 200 00:11:16,367 --> 00:11:17,667 I was speaking to your wife earlier. 201 00:11:17,667 --> 00:11:20,400 She's convinced the paranormal's out of control in the house. 202 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,066 I mean, do you agree with that? 203 00:11:22,066 --> 00:11:24,867 I agree with it to a point. 204 00:11:24,867 --> 00:11:26,367 I'm still a little bit of a skeptic, 205 00:11:26,367 --> 00:11:31,000 but I try to talk myself out of the things that I'm seeing in there. 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,333 And how's that working out for you? 207 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:35,166 -It's not. -Okay. 208 00:11:35,166 --> 00:11:37,066 What about experiences? Have you had any? 209 00:11:37,066 --> 00:11:39,100 Um, yes. I have been in bed 210 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:46,200 and I have felt something move my leg about six inches out of the way. 211 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,166 -You were in bed with your wife at this time? -Yes. 212 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:50,367 Is it possible she touched you? Did you ask her? 213 00:11:50,367 --> 00:11:53,100 Oh, I asked her and she said she didn't touch me at all. 214 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:54,400 Okay. Anything else? 215 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,500 Yeah. My wife and I will just be laying in bed, 216 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:01,667 and the whole, entire bed will shake for about ten seconds 217 00:12:01,667 --> 00:12:02,767 and it'll stop. 218 00:12:02,767 --> 00:12:04,266 All right, so we're in earthquake country. 219 00:12:04,266 --> 00:12:05,467 Is it possible that could have been it? 220 00:12:05,467 --> 00:12:08,367 No, I've gone online and checked the TV and everything, 221 00:12:08,367 --> 00:12:09,467 and there's no earthquakes. 222 00:12:09,467 --> 00:12:11,367 Okay, so, you had that happen in the bed. 223 00:12:11,367 --> 00:12:12,667 Anything else? 224 00:12:12,667 --> 00:12:16,467 Yeah, I have been seeing an apparition outside my living room window. 225 00:12:16,467 --> 00:12:18,166 [Steve] Okay. Can you describe it to me? 226 00:12:18,166 --> 00:12:23,767 Yeah, it's all black, and it shows from its chest to its head, 227 00:12:23,767 --> 00:12:25,767 and it's wearing a cowboy hat. 228 00:12:25,767 --> 00:12:27,066 What kind of a sense are you getting? 229 00:12:27,066 --> 00:12:29,734 Do you think it's curious? Is it just staring at you? 230 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:36,100 I think it thinks that this property is his, maybe. 231 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:39,800 And he's just always walking around it to say, "Hey, this is mine." 232 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Okay. 233 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,700 So, another thing you can't explain. 234 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:46,367 Yes. So, we just need to get to the bottom of it. 235 00:12:46,367 --> 00:12:47,467 Okay. 236 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:55,834 [Cindy] I see this man walking up this pathway. 237 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,200 He works on the land. 238 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,600 He looks almost like a farmer. 239 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,800 Or somebody that would have worked with his hands. 240 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,266 He's very connected to this property. 241 00:13:07,667 --> 00:13:09,567 Does he have any interaction with the living? 242 00:13:09,567 --> 00:13:12,667 I feel like he can be aggressive towards people 243 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:16,066 who he doesn't feel are respecting the land. 244 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,767 You know, people might see him walking by 245 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:23,233 or see something out of the corner of their eye from inside. 246 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:25,967 And that's him. 247 00:13:26,467 --> 00:13:27,667 Yeah. 248 00:13:27,667 --> 00:13:31,100 So I feel like they feel like something's coming behind them. 249 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:32,367 Like they're being rushed. 250 00:13:32,367 --> 00:13:35,667 If I'm walking this way, I would feel somebody behind me 251 00:13:35,667 --> 00:13:37,266 kind of nudging me or pushing me. 252 00:13:37,266 --> 00:13:38,767 -[Matthew] Okay. -Yeah. 253 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:47,867 [Steve] So, Steele, I understand you used to sleep here? 254 00:13:48,467 --> 00:13:49,467 Yeah. 255 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:51,200 And you won't sleep here anymore? 256 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,367 No. No, I hate sleeping here. 257 00:13:53,367 --> 00:13:55,266 The activity's pretty bad I imagine, 258 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:56,867 if you're not gonna sleep here anymore. 259 00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:59,700 Yeah. Every time I slept in here is why I would get nightmares. 260 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:00,767 What kind of nightmares? 261 00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:02,266 Every single time I have the nightmares, 262 00:14:02,266 --> 00:14:05,266 it's someone trying to get in here and trying to attack me. 263 00:14:05,266 --> 00:14:07,066 Can you see who's trying to attack you? 264 00:14:07,066 --> 00:14:08,900 A really tall figure. 265 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:12,767 I'm talking like taller than this ceiling. Like seven and a half feet. 266 00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:16,700 The same shadow figure that I see in my dreams, I see when I'm awake as well. 267 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:18,467 Okay. Does it look exactly the same? 268 00:14:18,467 --> 00:14:21,400 Exactly the same, and it was looking right at me. 269 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,200 All right. Now you're sure you still weren't dreaming it? 270 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,367 No. No. 271 00:14:24,367 --> 00:14:25,900 -[Steve] You were definitely awake? -Definitely awake. 272 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:28,000 Are you taking anything that may give you weird dreams or anything like that? 273 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,166 No. 274 00:14:29,166 --> 00:14:31,500 All right. So, you're having nightmares. Anything else? 275 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:33,767 Whenever I'm in this house, I feel incredibly drained. 276 00:14:33,767 --> 00:14:36,600 Like something is pulling on me. 277 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,767 You feel like you're just tired 278 00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:40,166 or you feel depressed or anxiety or anything like that? 279 00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:43,767 Anxiety and just being like I don't want to do anything. 280 00:14:43,767 --> 00:14:45,266 I just feel stuck. 281 00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:46,867 What do you think is causing it? 282 00:14:46,867 --> 00:14:49,200 I think that there's something here that doesn't want us here. 283 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,000 -This place is very old, the land is very old. -[Steve] Right. 284 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,100 I think it's just someone who's so attached to the land 285 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:55,900 and doesn't know how to move on. 286 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,467 -And wants it back. -It wants it back. Yeah. 287 00:14:58,667 --> 00:15:00,200 Okay. 288 00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:12,433 When I come in here, I immediately feel depression, anxiety, confusion. 289 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,934 It's being caused by this dark energy. 290 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:23,367 I feel like there's a young man in here. 291 00:15:23,367 --> 00:15:24,900 -A living person? Okay. -A living person. 292 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:29,000 It's night terrors, things like that can happen, you know? 293 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,934 The depression, it concerns me. 294 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:37,433 It feeds off of chaos and it feeds off of other people's pain. 295 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,700 It's trying to create discord, 296 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:42,800 rifts in families, miscommunications, 297 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,667 like all those things because it feeds off of that. 298 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:48,467 That's how it gets energy. 299 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,900 [Steve] So one of the first things I do when I start an investigation 300 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:55,700 is figure out who the original owner of the property was. 301 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:57,900 In this case, I got a surprise. 302 00:15:57,900 --> 00:15:59,767 Turns out Lisa's house was part of a ranch 303 00:15:59,767 --> 00:16:02,467 owned by a famous Polish actress. 304 00:16:02,467 --> 00:16:04,166 When I called the local historian, 305 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:07,934 she told me the woman had a tragic life I definitely need to know about. 306 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,967 So, Hadley, thanks for helping me out with this case. 307 00:16:16,967 --> 00:16:19,400 So this famous actress, who was she? 308 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,800 Her name was Helena Modjeska 309 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,367 and she was born in Kraków, Poland. 310 00:16:24,367 --> 00:16:27,367 She was discovered by an older actor named Gustav 311 00:16:27,367 --> 00:16:31,300 who first became her guardian and then became her husband. 312 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,200 Okay, so this canyon was named after her. 313 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,500 That's right. 314 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:37,100 All right, so this guy was her guardian, now he's her husband. 315 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:38,467 Right, did they start a family at all? 316 00:16:38,467 --> 00:16:40,667 They did. They have a son named Ralph, 317 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,467 and then they have a daughter named Marylka. 318 00:16:43,467 --> 00:16:47,300 But she sadly dies when she's two in 1865. 319 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,000 She must have taken that hard, right? 320 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,967 I mean, it's her only daughter. 321 00:16:49,967 --> 00:16:51,500 It did. It devastated her. 322 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:54,567 And she also said that once her daughter passed away, 323 00:16:54,567 --> 00:16:57,467 her husband ran off and she never saw him again. 324 00:16:57,467 --> 00:16:59,000 -Really? -[Hadley] Mmm-hmm. 325 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,266 Okay, so now she's alone. She's a single mom. 326 00:17:01,266 --> 00:17:03,100 And this is the 1800s. 327 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:04,467 Does she ever get remarried? 328 00:17:04,467 --> 00:17:05,567 She does, yeah. 329 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:07,300 Three years later, she marries the love of her life, 330 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:09,166 this guy named Count Bozenta, 331 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:12,567 and they become a really fashionable couple in Poland. 332 00:17:12,567 --> 00:17:14,266 So at what point do they come to America? 333 00:17:14,266 --> 00:17:16,700 They come to America in 1876 334 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:19,367 because the Count had these fantastic dreams 335 00:17:19,367 --> 00:17:22,100 of living this Wild West fantasy in California. 336 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:23,767 All right. So now they're in America. 337 00:17:23,767 --> 00:17:25,900 When did they wind up buying my client's property? 338 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:27,667 So she becomes an American citizen, 339 00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:30,500 and then they buy this property in 1888 340 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:34,600 in this area that was then known as Santiago Canyon. 341 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,367 -[Steve] So this is here? In this area? -[Hadley] Mmm-hmm. 342 00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:41,166 Well, it sounds like she had a good life here in America. Am I missing something? 343 00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:42,800 No, she had a really happy life here, 344 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,700 but, you know, you never get over losing a toddler 345 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:46,567 and I'm sure she missed home. 346 00:17:46,567 --> 00:17:48,400 But the problem was, in 1893, 347 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,967 five years after she buys Modjeska Canyon, 348 00:17:51,967 --> 00:17:56,367 she is permanently banished from Poland for speaking out against the Russians there. 349 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,667 [Steve] That had to kill her. 350 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:01,000 Okay, so what happened? 351 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,367 -She has a stroke in 1897. -Okay. 352 00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:05,066 And then they lose all their money, 353 00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:07,667 so she has to sell the property in 1906. 354 00:18:07,667 --> 00:18:09,667 Then she's diagnosed with Bright's disease, 355 00:18:09,667 --> 00:18:11,367 which is a form of kidney disease. 356 00:18:11,367 --> 00:18:12,266 Oh. 357 00:18:12,266 --> 00:18:15,467 And she dies in 1909 at the age of 68. 358 00:18:15,467 --> 00:18:18,667 So for the most part, even though she lost a child, which is devastating, 359 00:18:18,667 --> 00:18:20,367 looks like she had a good life here. 360 00:18:20,367 --> 00:18:23,266 Absolutely, but I think there was a murder on the property 361 00:18:23,266 --> 00:18:24,200 while she owned it. 362 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,767 So you might wanna check that out. 363 00:18:25,767 --> 00:18:26,767 -Really? -[Hadley] Mmm-hmm. 364 00:18:26,767 --> 00:18:28,066 Okay. 365 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,667 [Cindy] I'm seeing that dead lady again. 366 00:18:33,667 --> 00:18:35,834 She's really angry that she's dead. 367 00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:38,767 This is her house. 368 00:18:38,767 --> 00:18:41,467 It's like people don't get to be happy in her house. 369 00:18:41,467 --> 00:18:46,000 But I feel that she lost something by being here. 370 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,867 It came out that she left her family to be here. 371 00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:51,800 She wasn't meant to stay here, 372 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,200 and she's angry and feels lonely. 373 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,533 She wants to be with her daughter. 374 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:59,200 And the name Mary just came to me, too. 375 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,533 She doesn't want other people to be happy until she can be happy. 376 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:07,634 I don't like it. It's not good. 377 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:15,867 [Steve] Hadley mentioned there was a murder right on Lisa's property. 378 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:19,400 So I reached out to a retired LAPD sergeant I've worked with before, 379 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,166 and asked her to look into it for me. 380 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:25,100 She did some digging and said it was a completely senseless homicide. 381 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:28,266 The whole thing was over $2.50. 382 00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:29,767 This I gotta hear about. 383 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,467 Cheryl, thanks for helping me out again. It's good to see you. 384 00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:38,667 No worries. 385 00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:40,667 All right. So this murder, what do we know about the victim? 386 00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:42,300 Captain William McKelvey 387 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,100 was a foreman at the Modjeska Ranch in the 1890s. 388 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:47,867 Described as a peaceful, quiet guy. 389 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:49,467 Very popular. 390 00:19:49,467 --> 00:19:51,166 And here's a drawing of him. 391 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,266 All right. So, from what you're saying, 392 00:19:54,266 --> 00:19:55,500 this sounds like a really nice guy. 393 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,900 So how the hell did he wind up being a murder victim? 394 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:00,467 Back in the 1890s, there was a poll tax 395 00:20:00,467 --> 00:20:04,200 that every male resident of Orange County was required to pay. 396 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,867 So in July of 1892, one of the workers on the ranch, 397 00:20:07,867 --> 00:20:12,400 a man by the name of Francisco Torres, refused to pay the poll tax. 398 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,700 All right, so how much was this tax? 399 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:14,934 It was $2.50. 400 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,800 Okay. 401 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,567 So, the murder. What happened? 402 00:20:18,567 --> 00:20:21,600 Okay, so it's July 30, 1892. 403 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,567 -Payday on the ranch. -Okay. 404 00:20:23,567 --> 00:20:27,467 Torres looks at his wages, he realizes he's short. 405 00:20:27,467 --> 00:20:30,200 Normally he would get $9 for a week's pay. 406 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,266 He gets 6.50. 407 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:33,166 He's livid. 408 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:35,166 He immediately confronts McKelvey, and he's like, 409 00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:37,367 "Hey, where's my $2.50? 410 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:38,867 -I want all of my money." -Right. 411 00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:40,700 McKelvey just, kind of, brushes him off, 412 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:43,400 and he turns to go feed the chickens on the ranch. 413 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,000 Torres is not having any of that. 414 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,767 He follows him. He follows him. 415 00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:49,000 And he picks up a pickaxe. 416 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,867 He hits him in the head with a pickaxe 'cause he's still hot about that money. 417 00:20:52,867 --> 00:20:54,767 -Right. -Then he gets a knife. 418 00:20:54,767 --> 00:20:56,500 He stabs him in the heart. 419 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,200 -Okay. -He grabs his coin purse, 420 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,767 and then he takes off. 421 00:20:59,767 --> 00:21:01,834 -Okay. -And here's the article. 422 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,166 All right. So now we got this Torres on the run. What happens? 423 00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:11,066 On August 9th, a constable in San Diego County 424 00:21:11,066 --> 00:21:13,600 locates Torres and arrests him. 425 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,000 Does he go to trial? 426 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,100 Well, not exactly. 427 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,400 Remember, I told you, McKelvey was very well liked. 428 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,066 And so all of his friends and supporters showed up to the jail. 429 00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:25,166 They stormed the jail, they locked up the watchman. 430 00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:28,367 They grabbed Francisco Torres, and they took him out back, 431 00:21:28,367 --> 00:21:31,367 and they hung him over a telephone pole. 432 00:21:31,367 --> 00:21:33,266 This was the very first time in Orange County 433 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:35,400 that there was an extra-judicial lynching. 434 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,166 And it made news as well. 435 00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,567 [Steve] Okay. Is this Torres here? 436 00:21:40,567 --> 00:21:41,600 [Cheryl] Yeah. 437 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,634 Now you got two dead men over $2.50. 438 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:46,967 -So senseless. -Yeah. 439 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:52,133 [Cindy] This black mass is the biggest threat here. 440 00:21:54,567 --> 00:21:57,467 It's been here, and it creates things. 441 00:21:57,467 --> 00:21:59,300 It wants bad things to happen 442 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,333 because that's how it gets stronger. 443 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:07,333 [door creaking] 444 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,967 I feel like the energy that's affecting people here, 445 00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:19,467 it's almost like this force can make somebody's personality change 446 00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:22,600 to the point where they can almost become somebody different. 447 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,200 Or they can lose time, 448 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,066 feeling like two different people sometimes. 449 00:22:27,066 --> 00:22:29,000 Like, that's another thing I'm sensing. 450 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000 So, it feeds off of people's fear, 451 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,900 it feeds off of people's anxiety, 452 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:36,100 it feeds off of when people get sick 453 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:37,700 or get physically ill. 454 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:41,700 It's almost like that's what's causing a lot of problems 455 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:45,767 for people that come here, people that live here, people that visit here 456 00:22:45,767 --> 00:22:47,934 to the point where people could die. 457 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:51,967 And it continues to grow. 458 00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:54,567 For more information on the show, 459 00:22:54,567 --> 00:22:55,967 and if you need us to investigate 460 00:22:55,967 --> 00:22:58,600 any unexplained paranormal activity in your home... 461 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,467 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 462 00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:05,166 Click on "Help me Dead Files" to submit your story, 463 00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:06,634 and we'll help if we can. 464 00:23:09,567 --> 00:23:11,500 [Steve] So far, I have a family being torn apart 465 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:14,200 by paranormal activity in their dream home 466 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,066 on a property where a brutal murder took place. 467 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,734 But I need to see if there's anything else. 468 00:23:23,467 --> 00:23:24,467 Searching through old records, 469 00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:26,700 I find a brutal Native American massacre 470 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,166 that took place close to my client's property. 471 00:23:30,467 --> 00:23:34,066 I reached out to a local author who knows all about this tragedy. 472 00:23:34,066 --> 00:23:36,967 He tells me it wasn't about land, but horses. 473 00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:46,367 Well, Christian, thanks for helping me out and meeting with me. 474 00:23:46,367 --> 00:23:48,667 So, you mentioned the tribe here was called the Tongva. 475 00:23:48,667 --> 00:23:52,000 So, am I safe to assume that they'd gotten into a beef with settlers? 476 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,467 Yes. There was a group back then of American settlers 477 00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:57,066 led by a guy named William Wolfskill. 478 00:23:57,066 --> 00:23:59,266 That's Wolfskill himself. 479 00:23:59,266 --> 00:24:00,767 [Steve] Now, Christian, you mentioned on the phone 480 00:24:00,767 --> 00:24:02,266 that this massacre was over horses, 481 00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,767 and I'm assuming that's why we're standing by the stables here. 482 00:24:04,767 --> 00:24:05,767 Exactly. 483 00:24:05,767 --> 00:24:08,900 The Tongva, allegedly, were fond of, of horse meat. 484 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,100 So they would steal the Mexicans' horses. 485 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,166 -Okay. -To get on the good side of the Mexicans, 486 00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:15,967 Wolfskill decided that he was gonna 487 00:24:15,967 --> 00:24:18,767 track down the horse thieves and teach them a lesson. 488 00:24:18,767 --> 00:24:20,066 Okay. So what happens next? 489 00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:24,100 Wolfskill and his crew track the horses to Black Star Canyon, 490 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:25,000 right near here, 491 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,200 where they discover the Tongva 492 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,467 feasting on the horses around a campfire. 493 00:24:29,467 --> 00:24:31,667 Even though they're incredibly outnumbered, 494 00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:33,467 they still proceed with the ambush. 495 00:24:33,467 --> 00:24:34,700 How did the ambush go? 496 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:36,567 They overwhelmed the Tongvas. 497 00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:39,467 They tried fighting back, but their, their weapons were primitive. 498 00:24:39,467 --> 00:24:42,467 Bows and arrows, Spanish blunderbuss muskets. 499 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:46,266 No match for the modern rifles that they had coming at them. 500 00:24:46,266 --> 00:24:48,967 And so the injured Tongva left, 501 00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:50,567 leaving behind the dead and the dying. 502 00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:53,100 All right. So what wound up happening with the Tongva? 503 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:54,800 Did they stay, did they fight? What happened? 504 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,567 Tongva eventually leave. 505 00:24:56,567 --> 00:24:57,867 Then, in 1878, 506 00:24:57,867 --> 00:25:00,400 a company called the Black Star Coal Mining Company 507 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,900 discovers coal deposits in the area. 508 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,300 They open a mine at the mouth of the canyon. 509 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,767 Hence the name Black Star Canyon. 510 00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:10,767 They mine there for years, on and off, until the early 1900s. 511 00:25:10,767 --> 00:25:13,166 At which point, the whole operation shuts down. 512 00:25:13,166 --> 00:25:15,100 All right. So, Christian, I gotta assume, 513 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,066 even though the Tongva left, 514 00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:17,500 there had to be still artefacts 515 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,467 and maybe remains in those mountains. 516 00:25:19,467 --> 00:25:22,166 [Christian] Many accounts of artefacts being discovered over the years, 517 00:25:22,166 --> 00:25:25,767 including a human skeleton that was discovered in 1938. 518 00:25:25,767 --> 00:25:28,400 Well, needless to say, I mean, there's a lot of blood in these mountains. 519 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,100 Absolutely. There's a lot of history here, 520 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:31,967 a lot of layers that you can comb through. 521 00:25:31,967 --> 00:25:33,767 And, uh, Black Star Canyon today 522 00:25:33,767 --> 00:25:35,367 is a favorite place for people to hike. 523 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,133 And many people, I'm sure, have no idea what went on back there. 524 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,567 [Matthew] This black mass, 525 00:25:42,567 --> 00:25:45,000 do you know if this thing was ever alive? 526 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,867 Doesn't feel human to me. Feels inhuman. 527 00:25:47,867 --> 00:25:50,133 It feels connected to the land. 528 00:25:50,867 --> 00:25:52,767 I'm gonna do automatic writing in here. 529 00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:57,467 Automatic writing is a form of channeling. 530 00:25:57,467 --> 00:25:59,667 When I do it, I don't actually hear the dead, 531 00:25:59,667 --> 00:26:02,100 but they write their messages through me. 532 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:05,166 I put pen to paper and allow my hand to move. 533 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:09,634 The energy from the land is from a long time ago. 534 00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:13,000 It's from below the ground. 535 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,700 Something happened in the 1950s 536 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:17,367 that really amplified everything. 537 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:20,600 So the people that are building or digging on this land, 538 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,400 they don't respect the land, they don't understand the land. 539 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,400 There is a dig that happened, and it broke... 540 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,300 It, like, opened something up. 541 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,467 Like, opened a portal. It did something 542 00:26:30,467 --> 00:26:33,066 that unleashed this mass. 543 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,600 I saw a lot of really dangerous things in the course of this walk. 544 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,367 But the dead woman sneaking up on the living person, 545 00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:48,867 that has me really concerned. 546 00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:52,266 I saw an image of a woman, who is alive, 547 00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:54,266 doing dishes, staring out the window. 548 00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:57,967 -Okay. -Behind her, I saw a dead, older woman. 549 00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:03,166 She was about the same height as the woman looking out of the window. 550 00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:05,000 Her hair was silver, 551 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,867 and it was about shoulder length. 552 00:27:06,867 --> 00:27:08,467 Like, to here. 553 00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:11,433 She felt really angry, she felt aggressive. 554 00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:16,767 Next, I had the artist sketch a black mass 555 00:27:16,767 --> 00:27:19,867 hovering over a living person in bed. 556 00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:23,400 I saw the woman waking up in the middle of the night. 557 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,867 And the mass was so thick that she is... 558 00:27:25,867 --> 00:27:27,667 Almost like it was taking her breath away. 559 00:27:27,667 --> 00:27:30,367 More, like, a mist or, like, a smoke? 560 00:27:30,367 --> 00:27:32,767 It was dense, black energy. 561 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,367 Cindy, is this what you saw? 562 00:27:43,967 --> 00:27:45,734 That's exactly what I saw. 563 00:27:54,967 --> 00:27:58,100 [Steve] Now that Cindy and I have completed our investigations, 564 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,333 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 565 00:28:01,066 --> 00:28:03,166 and our clients for the first time. 566 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:06,400 So, Cindy, I want you to meet Lisa and Kevin. 567 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,800 They live here on this beautiful property with their son, Steele, 568 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,567 who's 19. That's him in the middle. 569 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:15,400 Now, these guys put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this place. 570 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,266 It was supposed to be their forever home, but we're here. 571 00:28:18,266 --> 00:28:19,467 So, you can imagine, they're having 572 00:28:19,467 --> 00:28:21,900 a hell of a time with the paranormal. 573 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:23,800 Now, these guys aren't asking for much. 574 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,867 They just wanna go back to living a peaceful life. 575 00:28:25,867 --> 00:28:28,266 And they don't know whether they can do it here 576 00:28:28,266 --> 00:28:30,800 or if it's gonna have to be someplace else. 577 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,567 So, Cindy can start telling us about her walk, 578 00:28:33,567 --> 00:28:35,533 and maybe figure things out. 579 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:42,500 [Cindy] There's a dead woman who is very active. 580 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,767 She's very aggressive, she's angry. 581 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:49,433 And she feels like this is her house. 582 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,166 She doesn't want other people here. 583 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:57,300 She felt like something had been taken from her in life. 584 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,667 That she had been forced to be on the land. 585 00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:03,700 She kept saying to me, "I wanna find my daughter. 586 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,000 I can't find my daughter. 587 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,266 I wanna be connected with my daughter." 588 00:29:07,266 --> 00:29:10,567 I kept hearing the name Mary over and over. 589 00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:13,900 Mary, Mary, Mary. 590 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:17,100 You guys probably know this history, but Cindy doesn't. 591 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:18,800 The original owner of the land 592 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,867 was a famous Shakespearean actress named Helena Modjeska. 593 00:29:22,867 --> 00:29:26,100 The whole area, Modjeska Canyon, is named after her. 594 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,467 She originally came from Kraków, Poland. 595 00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:31,266 Her first husband was an older actor who discovered her. 596 00:29:31,266 --> 00:29:33,000 They had two kids. 597 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,667 A son named Ralph and a daughter named Marylka. 598 00:29:35,667 --> 00:29:37,567 -So that's the Mary. -[Cindy] Hmm. 599 00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:40,467 Marylka tragically died at the age of two. 600 00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:43,166 This happened in Poland so we have no access to the records. 601 00:29:43,166 --> 00:29:45,567 We don't know what the cause of death was. 602 00:29:45,567 --> 00:29:48,767 We do know that after the baby died, the husband skipped town. 603 00:29:48,767 --> 00:29:52,000 Few years later, she remarried a guy named Count Bozenta. 604 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,667 And they moved here to the US. 605 00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:57,066 In 1888, they bought a huge piece of land here in the canyon, 606 00:29:57,066 --> 00:29:59,066 which includes your house. 607 00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:02,567 Actually, I have a photo of it, uh, with her in it. 608 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,367 Now, she never really got over the loss of her daughter 609 00:30:06,367 --> 00:30:07,967 or being away from Poland. 610 00:30:07,967 --> 00:30:10,667 In 1893, she was banned from ever returning to Poland 611 00:30:10,667 --> 00:30:13,100 after speaking out against the Russian leaders. 612 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:14,800 And her health went downhill after that. 613 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800 And she died in 1909 from Bright's disease, 614 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,767 a catch-all for kidney disease back then. 615 00:30:20,767 --> 00:30:22,567 She was only 68 years old. 616 00:30:22,567 --> 00:30:26,834 Here's a photo of her from when she was a young actress. 617 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,333 Could this possibly be the woman you saw? 618 00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:34,667 I'm 100% sure it's her. 100%. 619 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,000 [Steve] You guys have heard of her, right? 620 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,900 [Lisa] Yes. 621 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:43,266 We finally toured her home 622 00:30:43,266 --> 00:30:45,300 probably six months ago. 623 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,500 As I toured her home, there are so many similarities 624 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:53,166 of the things I have done in my house. 625 00:30:53,166 --> 00:30:55,200 -And it was just weird. -Yeah. 626 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,867 This is her home, to her. 627 00:30:56,867 --> 00:31:00,100 She... She doesn't want other people in her home. 628 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:04,834 And she's making it her home through you. 629 00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,567 Now, is that the only way she's interacting with them? 630 00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:10,634 So, no. 631 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,800 I feel like people might feel touched by her. 632 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,500 People can feel something behind them. 633 00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,734 She'll make people really uncomfortable, give them anxiety. 634 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,967 Now, you were touched. 635 00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:25,934 Tell her about that. 636 00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:27,166 [Lisa] Yeah. 637 00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:28,700 Some days, it feels like fingers, 638 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,100 and some days, it feels like a pressure. 639 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:35,367 Like something would sit on the back side of me and, kind of, push. 640 00:31:35,367 --> 00:31:38,066 [Steve] Tell Cindy how you write down what she says to you. 641 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,700 She sits at the foot of the bed, 642 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,200 and then I tell my husband, 643 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,567 "I hear her, I hear her." 644 00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:47,500 And... And so my husband said, 645 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,166 -"You have to get a notebook." -[Steve] Yes. 646 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:50,567 So, this is it. 647 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,200 [Lisa] So, I wrote things she says. 648 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,266 "I can't live like this. 649 00:31:57,266 --> 00:31:58,634 Remember me." 650 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,967 I think you're very psychic, 651 00:32:02,967 --> 00:32:05,166 and I think you're also a medium. 652 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,767 And I think that this woman has, uh, 653 00:32:09,767 --> 00:32:12,166 a very strong influence on you. 654 00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:15,433 Even more than I think you are aware of. 655 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400 I had a sketch done about a scene that I saw with you 656 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,834 and the dead woman in the house in the kitchen. 657 00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:30,533 -Oof. It's a little creepy. -[Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 658 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,433 Oh, wow. 659 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,834 That would definitely be you. 660 00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:44,166 I guess I feel so bad that she's angry, you know. 661 00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:47,667 I just feel like we put our heart into this. 662 00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:51,567 We brought back this place that is so magical. 663 00:32:51,567 --> 00:32:54,200 And to be angry at us 664 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,967 or, um, to want to harm us is just... 665 00:32:57,967 --> 00:32:59,634 It's heartbreaking. 666 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,266 I think one of the biggest issues here 667 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:10,767 has to do with the land. 668 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,166 I got the feeling that in the past, 669 00:33:14,166 --> 00:33:18,166 this land just wasn't respected by a lot of people. 670 00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:24,667 I felt that in the 1950s there had been some sort of construction there, 671 00:33:24,667 --> 00:33:27,700 where people had done some digging 672 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,100 without knowing what they were doing, without respect. 673 00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:35,033 Basically, it stirred up a lot of energy. 674 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,967 I certainly wouldn't want to be doing renovations on this land. 675 00:33:40,367 --> 00:33:41,667 At all. 676 00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:43,266 Well, it's a little late for that. 677 00:33:43,266 --> 00:33:44,233 [Lisa chuckles] 678 00:33:45,467 --> 00:33:49,767 These guys did extensive, extensive renovations. 679 00:33:49,767 --> 00:33:51,433 That makes a lot of sense. 680 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:55,767 She was saying how the land is pissed and disrespected. 681 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:56,667 So you should know there was a... 682 00:33:56,667 --> 00:33:58,500 massacre of Native Americans took place 683 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,400 in this area back in the 1800s. 684 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,300 Well, it happened at a spot called Black Star Canyon. 685 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,867 -Yes. -[Steve] Which is about seven miles from here. 686 00:34:04,867 --> 00:34:06,467 Less than seven miles. 687 00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:10,500 Now, you mentioned digging and disrespecting the land. 688 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:14,367 In 1878, an American company started mining coal 689 00:34:14,367 --> 00:34:17,100 on what was once sacred Tongva land. 690 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,100 -[Kevin] Oh. -Oh, that makes so much sense. 691 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,367 Because I kept seeing digging, digging, digging. 692 00:34:23,367 --> 00:34:26,300 And I felt like the ground had been cracked open. 693 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:27,734 Something was cracked open. 694 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,166 This went on for about four decades. 695 00:34:31,166 --> 00:34:36,266 In 1938, the skeletal remains of a Tongva tribe member was found in the mountains. 696 00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:40,500 So, when you started talking about their land being angry, 697 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,166 do you think that could have anything to do with it? 698 00:34:43,166 --> 00:34:44,533 Absolutely. 699 00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:49,000 There's more. 700 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,867 So, really, I think the biggest threat to your safety, 701 00:34:54,367 --> 00:34:56,266 to your family 702 00:34:56,266 --> 00:35:01,066 is this black mass that's from the land. 703 00:35:01,066 --> 00:35:03,800 This is not human spirit. This is inhuman. 704 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,233 It's never been human. 705 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,667 But it's powerful. 706 00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:09,367 When the coal mining happened, 707 00:35:09,367 --> 00:35:11,300 and the ground was broken like that, 708 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,467 it created a monster, really. 709 00:35:13,467 --> 00:35:16,000 It can affect people in a lot of different ways. 710 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Depression, anxiety. 711 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,667 It can make people sick. 712 00:35:20,367 --> 00:35:24,500 Heart attacks, cancer, illness. 713 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,767 About a year and a half ago, um, my wife came to me. 714 00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:29,967 She says, "Kevin, you don't look very good. You look sick." 715 00:35:29,967 --> 00:35:31,567 So, I went to the doctor. 716 00:35:31,567 --> 00:35:34,667 And it turns out I had a tumor in my kidney. 717 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,667 So I had a, uh, part of my kidney removed. 718 00:35:38,667 --> 00:35:40,066 And it was cancerous. 719 00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:44,700 This mass, it can affect people psychologically. 720 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:46,700 It can really make them insane. 721 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,300 And when I was in the back house, 722 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,767 I sensed it was making a male teenager feel very depressed. 723 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,500 Anxiety. 724 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,667 [Steve] That's where Steele lives, their son. 725 00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,066 I also saw that it was giving this kid night terrors. 726 00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:04,500 So, Lisa, if you can, 727 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,467 can you tell Cindy about Steele's nightmares? 'Cause he told me. 728 00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:12,300 So, they all involve a tall, shadow person, 729 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,400 uh, that he says is so tall 730 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,266 that when it stands outside his room, 731 00:36:17,266 --> 00:36:22,000 it actually has to bend over to look in. 732 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,567 [Steve] Now, you said this thing can also cause depression and anxiety. 733 00:36:25,567 --> 00:36:28,700 Tell Cindy about the intrusive thoughts that you get. 734 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:30,667 I will just be standing there, 735 00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:32,867 picking out a sweater, doing a dish. 736 00:36:32,867 --> 00:36:36,500 But it's a thought that comes, and it will just say, 737 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:38,567 "Oh, pick a good one. You're gonna die today." 738 00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:40,700 [Cindy] Yeah. 739 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,400 In the main bedroom, I saw this mass interacting with the living. 740 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400 I saw it putting pressure on the bed. 741 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,467 Like, an indentation on the bed. 742 00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:53,367 And I also saw it hovering over people while they're sleeping. 743 00:36:53,367 --> 00:36:54,667 [Kevin] Mmm. 744 00:36:54,667 --> 00:36:59,734 And I had a sketch drawn of the scene that I saw in the picture. 745 00:37:00,166 --> 00:37:01,100 You guys wanna see this? 746 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,266 -No. -[Kevin] No. 747 00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:03,233 [Lisa chuckles nervously] 748 00:37:08,767 --> 00:37:10,934 It's like something out of a movie. 749 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,166 Oh, wow. 750 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,600 -It looks like me. -[Kevin] Yeah, that is you. 751 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,700 -Have you seen that? -[Lisa] Yes. 752 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,634 It just looks like this dark, like, blanket. 753 00:37:26,967 --> 00:37:31,000 Now, this sketch shows Lisa in bed, I'm assuming. 754 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,400 But it seems like, Kevin, you're having more experiences in the bed. 755 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,667 Do me a favor and tell Cindy about 756 00:37:36,667 --> 00:37:39,300 what you told me when your leg was moving in bed. 757 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:40,200 I just laid down, 758 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,667 and Lisa and I were next to each other, 759 00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,967 and I just felt just a little bit of pressure, and it moved my leg. 760 00:37:44,967 --> 00:37:47,300 I didn't feel any hands, I didn't... 761 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:50,500 I just felt something just move my leg. 762 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:52,000 [Cindy] Mmm-hmm. 763 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,467 You also mentioned the bed shaking. 764 00:37:53,467 --> 00:37:55,467 Just a little side by side. 765 00:37:55,467 --> 00:37:58,000 -Just enough for you to notice. -[Cindy] Yeah. 766 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,800 It'll do it, and then it'll stop. 767 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,000 Ten minutes later, it'll do it again. 768 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,266 And we experience this maybe once or twice a month. 769 00:38:07,266 --> 00:38:11,867 This dark mass is very, very dangerous. 770 00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:13,667 It can cause death. I believe that. 771 00:38:15,567 --> 00:38:18,333 This right here worries me more than anything. 772 00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,433 I don't like this at all. 773 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,266 [Lisa sobs] 774 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:31,066 [Steve] Tonight, we found out why you guys are getting touched, 775 00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:32,967 why you guys are always feeling watched, 776 00:38:32,967 --> 00:38:34,734 and why you both got sick. 777 00:38:34,734 --> 00:38:36,867 But what we haven't answered is the big question. 778 00:38:36,867 --> 00:38:38,800 Is there anything you can do about it? 779 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,900 And if so, what's it gonna take? 780 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,533 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to my partner, Cindy. 781 00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:51,166 We both know that you've put so much love into this house. 782 00:38:51,166 --> 00:38:52,266 Yeah. 783 00:38:52,266 --> 00:38:56,467 But this black mass, it didn't start when you got here. 784 00:38:56,467 --> 00:38:58,533 It's been here for a really long time. 785 00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:02,100 But any time the ground is broken, 786 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,333 any time there are renovations, 787 00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:07,000 it just gets stronger. 788 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,367 It's not human. 789 00:39:09,567 --> 00:39:11,467 It's a force that I don't know that... 790 00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:14,533 That can be stopped. 791 00:39:19,867 --> 00:39:23,734 I don't feel it's safe for you to stay. 792 00:39:25,367 --> 00:39:27,867 I think it's best if you leave. 793 00:39:30,467 --> 00:39:33,033 Okay, I am just gonna speak for me. 794 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,100 I just don't feel like we will. 795 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,033 I don't know. I just have such a tie to this place. 796 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,734 Is that tie you or is it Helena? 797 00:39:44,567 --> 00:39:45,967 [Lisa] I don't know. 798 00:39:45,967 --> 00:39:47,367 How do I know? 799 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000 So, if they do decide to stay, 800 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,600 is there anything they can do 801 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,800 to try to make it at least a little safer? 802 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,867 Uh, the only thing that I could suggest, 803 00:40:02,867 --> 00:40:05,166 I do something called spirit art. 804 00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:06,667 Oh. 805 00:40:06,667 --> 00:40:12,867 And I drew who I believe to be a spirit guide, 806 00:40:12,867 --> 00:40:15,800 who is connected to the land and to you. 807 00:40:17,867 --> 00:40:18,900 Oh, wow. 808 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,867 [Cindy] So, at the very least, maybe you can hang him 809 00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:26,166 and talk to him. 810 00:40:26,367 --> 00:40:27,166 Okay. 811 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,567 This is a lot to take in. 812 00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:33,000 [Steve] As far as moving, 813 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,867 would you say you're not even gonna consider it 814 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,667 or is it something you would consider? 815 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,066 I'd consider it. 816 00:40:39,066 --> 00:40:41,066 I just don't even know how to consider it. 817 00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:42,634 Your family is in danger. 818 00:40:44,767 --> 00:40:48,266 I don't want to get another phone call with you... 819 00:40:48,266 --> 00:40:51,000 Like the other day, when you were all scared, screaming, 820 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,133 running out of the house. 821 00:40:53,467 --> 00:40:55,233 Ultimately, it's your choice. 822 00:40:56,867 --> 00:40:59,033 But think about it. 823 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:03,033 -It's just a house. -Okay. We're gonna think about it. 824 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,900 [Cindy] For the health and safety of her family, 825 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,467 I really hope Lisa comes around and decides to leave. 826 00:41:12,467 --> 00:41:14,800 If she does, I'm really confident 827 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,000 that this family will find a new home 828 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,634 where everybody will be safe and happy for many years to come. 829 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,467 Hey, Dead Files, it's Lisa. 830 00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:33,100 Wanted to update you on everything that's happened since you were here. 831 00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,367 We assembled a pretty big team of experts 832 00:41:37,367 --> 00:41:41,200 to come out and read the land and clear the land. 833 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,367 We have had amazing success. 834 00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:48,467 And honestly, it's been wonderful, easy-going here, 835 00:41:48,467 --> 00:41:50,166 with no issues. 836 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:51,800 It's been pretty amazing. 837 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600 So thank you again for everything you did for us. 838 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,567 And we are so, so happy 839 00:41:57,567 --> 00:42:00,200 to have been able to have this opportunity.