1 00:00:10,567 --> 00:00:12,367 [Cindy] He's not done killing. 2 00:00:12,367 --> 00:00:14,767 He's here to harm this family. 3 00:00:14,767 --> 00:00:18,367 I feel like he's trying to jump into this person. 4 00:00:18,367 --> 00:00:20,467 Attacking my husband and myself, 5 00:00:20,467 --> 00:00:21,400 it wants to kill us. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,166 If we don't do something it's gonna break us up. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,500 Keep hearing "the killing spree." 8 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,166 I see a knife. I see blood. 9 00:00:31,367 --> 00:00:33,800 He says, "I dissected my mother, 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,300 cut her arms, her head off." 11 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:37,166 [Cindy] I got that he was a killer, 12 00:00:37,166 --> 00:00:39,467 and I saw him getting into bed 13 00:00:39,467 --> 00:00:41,467 with you guys. 14 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:45,867 [Cindy] I literally wanna take a sledgehammer 15 00:00:45,867 --> 00:00:47,934 and like smash this down. 16 00:00:49,166 --> 00:00:52,066 I keep hearing, murder, murder, murder. 17 00:00:52,467 --> 00:00:54,000 My name is Cindy Kaza. 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,100 I'm a psychic medium. 19 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,400 Somebody's conjuring up the spirits in this house, 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,800 I swear to God. 21 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,767 I ask questions of the dead... 22 00:01:01,767 --> 00:01:04,100 These people are grave robbers. 23 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:05,667 ...to find answers for the living. 24 00:01:05,667 --> 00:01:09,233 I'm 100% sure that we are dealing with something demonic. 25 00:01:10,767 --> 00:01:12,367 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 26 00:01:12,367 --> 00:01:14,700 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 27 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:16,967 So when he jumps you like that, what happens? 28 00:01:16,967 --> 00:01:20,400 It's my job to dig up history on every house we investigate. 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,767 I wanna talk about the blood bath. 30 00:01:21,767 --> 00:01:23,767 And dig up secrets that wanna stay hidden. 31 00:01:23,767 --> 00:01:25,767 We've done everything but burn the house down. 32 00:01:25,767 --> 00:01:27,367 Together we help terrified families. 33 00:01:27,367 --> 00:01:29,600 A man's voice said, "I'm going to kill you." 34 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,567 Decide whether it's safe to stay. 35 00:01:31,567 --> 00:01:35,400 I let him sit there and fight this thing. 36 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,000 Or pack a bag and get out. 37 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,867 His goal would be to have you all die. 38 00:01:59,367 --> 00:02:01,567 [Cindy] This place is so off to me. 39 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:05,800 There's something off about this house. 40 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,467 Especially the wall that surrounds it. 41 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:11,100 I literally wanna take a sledgehammer 42 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:13,800 and like smash this down. 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,133 I feel like something must have happened when this was built. 44 00:02:19,066 --> 00:02:20,967 Made the activity increase. 45 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,367 [exhales] Okay. 46 00:02:26,367 --> 00:02:28,567 So, I feel like building this wall, 47 00:02:28,567 --> 00:02:31,900 or putting up this fortress around the house 48 00:02:31,900 --> 00:02:34,834 is really pissing off the, the spirit. 49 00:02:38,467 --> 00:02:40,266 [sighs] Yeah. 50 00:02:47,867 --> 00:02:49,300 [Steve] I'm here in Florence, Arizona. 51 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:51,800 It's a small town about an hour south of Phoenix. 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,467 I got a desperate call from a woman named Shanna. 53 00:02:54,467 --> 00:02:55,967 She's terrified. 54 00:02:55,967 --> 00:02:58,867 She says whatever is in the house is gonna hurt her and her family. 55 00:02:58,867 --> 00:03:01,467 She told me the activity is turning violent 56 00:03:01,467 --> 00:03:04,166 and she's adamant if Cindy and I can't help, 57 00:03:04,166 --> 00:03:07,066 it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt. 58 00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:12,767 So, Shanna, driving through the neighborhood 59 00:03:12,767 --> 00:03:14,600 and up to this beautiful home you have, 60 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,400 it's hard to believe you're going through hell here. 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,800 But when we spoke that's what it sounded like. 62 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,367 It is. It basically, it feels like it is attacking my husband and myself, 63 00:03:23,367 --> 00:03:25,300 to the point that it wants to kill us. 64 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:27,500 -You believe that? -I do. 65 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:29,800 Every day is a struggle. 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,600 All right so let's start with basics, so 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,834 who exactly is living in the house now? 68 00:03:34,667 --> 00:03:37,066 -Myself... -Okay. 69 00:03:37,066 --> 00:03:40,066 ...my husband. This is my cousin Mary, 70 00:03:40,066 --> 00:03:43,900 and her two kids, Chloe is 13 and Aiden 16. 71 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:45,867 How long ago did you guys actually move in? 72 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:48,066 About a year ago. It's a new build, 73 00:03:48,066 --> 00:03:50,467 so there's been nothing here prior to that. 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,967 So this was what? Just dirt out here? 75 00:03:53,967 --> 00:03:55,700 Yeah. 76 00:03:55,700 --> 00:03:58,433 -Is the whole community pretty new? -Yes. 77 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:01,567 [Steve] Okay, so... 78 00:04:01,567 --> 00:04:04,867 gonna be a little tough for me on research on the home. 79 00:04:04,867 --> 00:04:08,467 Do me a favor and give me a list of what you guys are experiencing. 80 00:04:08,467 --> 00:04:10,934 -Creepy sounds. -[Steve] Okay. 81 00:04:11,567 --> 00:04:12,867 [Shanna] Seeing things. 82 00:04:12,867 --> 00:04:15,834 -Physically drained. -[Steve] Okay. 83 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:17,800 And mood changes. 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,266 How are these mood changes affecting you? 85 00:04:20,266 --> 00:04:23,467 Massively. I'm up and down. 86 00:04:23,467 --> 00:04:26,066 I can feel myself getting very angry, very quickly. 87 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,300 And what about your husband? 88 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:30,667 Jon especially gets very angry. 89 00:04:30,667 --> 00:04:32,166 Um, which is not like him. 90 00:04:32,166 --> 00:04:34,767 He's usually cool and calm and collected. 91 00:04:34,767 --> 00:04:37,567 So we're not talking about just saving this house, 92 00:04:37,567 --> 00:04:39,800 -we're talking about saving your marriage? -Right. 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,867 You guys ever just think about, 94 00:04:41,867 --> 00:04:44,200 you know, to hell with this, let's get the hell out of here? 95 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,867 We've nowhere to go. I mean we put everything we have 96 00:04:46,867 --> 00:04:48,033 into this home. 97 00:04:48,567 --> 00:04:49,867 And I'm a fighter. 98 00:04:49,867 --> 00:04:51,800 I'm not one to just 99 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,100 relinquish control and say, 100 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:54,367 "Okay, you can have what you want." 101 00:04:54,367 --> 00:04:56,367 'Cause I'm gonna stand and fight my ground 102 00:04:56,367 --> 00:04:57,834 and what's ours. 103 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:04,166 [Cindy] There's a dead woman that haunts this house. 104 00:05:07,867 --> 00:05:10,667 When she was alive she was super depressed. 105 00:05:12,266 --> 00:05:17,400 She wants people to feel how she felt in life. 106 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,133 So, I feel like she can influence people's emotions. 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,867 It's dangerous because the people that experience this woman, 108 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,000 she's so manipulative, 109 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,800 she can drive them to become depressed. 110 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,533 She just likes to, to make people feel crazy. 111 00:05:43,266 --> 00:05:45,567 All right, Shanna, so what's going on here? 112 00:05:45,567 --> 00:05:47,834 Well, I saw an apparition of a woman right here. 113 00:05:48,266 --> 00:05:50,166 Okay. 114 00:05:50,166 --> 00:05:52,066 Did you get a good look at her? What did she look like? 115 00:05:52,066 --> 00:05:54,800 It was grey. It was kinda transparent. 116 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,867 -I just know it was a female. -Okay. 117 00:05:56,867 --> 00:05:59,266 Um, taller than I was. 118 00:05:59,266 --> 00:06:01,700 So, did it look like she was looking at you? 119 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:04,066 Yes, it was surreal at that moment. 120 00:06:05,166 --> 00:06:06,300 Okay, so what else? 121 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:07,834 We hear all kinds of sounds. 122 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:09,567 Okay, like what? 123 00:06:09,567 --> 00:06:13,667 -It's like heavy old-timey furniture... -Okay. 124 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:16,667 ...like on a really old wooden floor. 125 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:18,066 It makes that... [mimics furniture dragging] 126 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,000 So, I saw you have the attic pull-down staircase like I got. 127 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,066 [Shanna] Correct. 128 00:06:23,066 --> 00:06:24,467 Is there anything up there that could be moving around? 129 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:26,300 -Any animals getting up in there? -My husband 130 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:28,000 actually put that up there so 131 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,767 he was just up putting everything in there, 132 00:06:29,767 --> 00:06:31,967 and I don't think there's anything up there that he's seen. 133 00:06:31,967 --> 00:06:33,867 Okay, so anything else you can tell me? 134 00:06:33,867 --> 00:06:37,166 Just super drained, constantly. 135 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:39,767 All right, so explain what's happening with the draining. 136 00:06:39,767 --> 00:06:43,166 I can literally come in to house from going grocery shopping 137 00:06:43,166 --> 00:06:45,467 and all of a sudden I'm so tired, 138 00:06:45,467 --> 00:06:49,300 like, I hadn't slept in a week and I need to lay down and go to sleep right now. 139 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:51,934 -Are you taking any medication that would make you drowsy? -No. 140 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,800 Okay, so, it's... You're fine when you're out there, 141 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,300 you walk in and all of a sudden you feel like, 142 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:57,767 -"I need to get some sleep." -Yeah. 143 00:06:57,767 --> 00:06:58,967 You feel your energy 144 00:06:58,967 --> 00:07:01,767 just being sucked right out of your body. 145 00:07:01,767 --> 00:07:04,834 It's terrible. It's taken the life out of me. 146 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:10,667 [Cindy] There's definitely something going on up here. 147 00:07:18,567 --> 00:07:20,400 [Matthew] Do you have any idea what that is? 148 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,767 It doesn't feel human. 149 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,166 Ooh. 150 00:07:26,166 --> 00:07:27,266 It feels more elemental to me. 151 00:07:27,266 --> 00:07:29,500 Is it dangerous to the living? 152 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:31,567 It's dangerous in the sense that 153 00:07:31,567 --> 00:07:33,467 it can affect your body. 154 00:07:33,467 --> 00:07:36,000 It can drain your energy. 155 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,367 So this draining, how, how would that feel? 156 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:39,967 Physically you could feel tired. 157 00:07:39,967 --> 00:07:43,467 It can drain your batteries in your cell phones, 158 00:07:43,467 --> 00:07:45,333 computer, things could shut off. 159 00:07:47,367 --> 00:07:48,867 -Stuff like that. -Okay. 160 00:07:57,567 --> 00:07:59,166 [Steve] Okay, so what's going on here? 161 00:07:59,166 --> 00:08:02,100 Well, I see, like a dark shadow 162 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:03,333 over here by the window. 163 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,266 What does it look like? 164 00:08:05,266 --> 00:08:09,467 It's just a big, the darkest black you've ever seen. 165 00:08:09,467 --> 00:08:11,100 Just blob 166 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,066 that has three humps to it. 167 00:08:14,066 --> 00:08:17,000 Do you have anything... Light coming in from outside? 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,266 No. Those... those are black out curtains, 169 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:21,133 and we keep those closed at night. 170 00:08:21,767 --> 00:08:23,567 Okay, so what else? 171 00:08:23,567 --> 00:08:25,867 Something like, sits on the bed. 172 00:08:25,867 --> 00:08:27,300 Okay, when you say, "Sits on the bed" 173 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:28,533 how, how much pressure? 174 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,500 Could the dog jump up and jump off and that's-- 175 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,900 No, the dogs are actually in kennels all night. 176 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:37,567 Okay, so that answers that question. 177 00:08:37,567 --> 00:08:40,300 I wouldn't even know how to debunk this. 178 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:41,667 Me either. 179 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:42,900 All right, what else? 180 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:46,000 I've been pushed walking out of this room. 181 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,200 Okay, now we're getting into serious problems here. 182 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,467 Shanna, do me a favor, just do it to me. 183 00:08:51,467 --> 00:08:55,000 Let me see how... how hard it... Whoa. Okay. 184 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,200 -It was enough to knock me off my balance. -Right. 185 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,333 And I'm 220 pounds, so you're a lot lighter than me. 186 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:02,300 [exhales] 187 00:09:02,300 --> 00:09:03,767 I... I mean, anything else physically 188 00:09:03,767 --> 00:09:04,867 like that happened to you? 189 00:09:04,867 --> 00:09:06,100 Been sexually touched. 190 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:08,367 Have you talked to your husband about this? 191 00:09:08,367 --> 00:09:09,667 I don't talk to him about it 192 00:09:09,667 --> 00:09:12,667 because he's got enough to worry about. 193 00:09:12,667 --> 00:09:14,934 I mean, you're hearing things, you're seeing things. 194 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,266 You're being pushed. 195 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:18,133 -You're being sexually assaulted. -Mm-hmm. 196 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,767 What're you doing here? 197 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,433 Living. Trying to. 198 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,767 There's an angry-looking man in here. 199 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:31,867 He's super aggressive. 200 00:09:31,867 --> 00:09:34,300 [Matthew] Does he have any interaction with the living here? 201 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:36,300 People will sleep in this bed 202 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:39,567 and feel like there's a spirit in bed with them. 203 00:09:39,567 --> 00:09:43,667 Like it will go... the, the mattress will actually sink in. 204 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:46,567 So people will feel like they're sinking down 205 00:09:46,567 --> 00:09:49,066 because of the weight of the spirit. 206 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:52,767 So, I see somebody sleeping in the bed 207 00:09:52,767 --> 00:09:56,634 and I see this man's hands around their neck. 208 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,300 -In the middle of the night... -Mm-hmm. 209 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:02,734 ...they can't breathe, they'll wake up. 210 00:10:03,867 --> 00:10:05,467 They feel like they are choking. 211 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:32,166 [Steve] Speaking to your wife, she was saying how 212 00:10:32,166 --> 00:10:34,867 everybody in the house mood is changing. 213 00:10:34,867 --> 00:10:36,867 -I mean, do you agree with that? -Yeah, absolutely. 214 00:10:36,867 --> 00:10:38,000 Everybody's fighting? 215 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,166 Yeah. 216 00:10:39,166 --> 00:10:41,000 It's getting to the point where 217 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,867 if we don't do something it's gonna break us up. 218 00:10:42,867 --> 00:10:45,800 Right. So Jon, any experiences you can tell me about? 219 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,767 I've night terrors, almost on a nightly basis. 220 00:10:48,767 --> 00:10:50,000 So, what kind of dreams? 221 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,266 Fore-telling dreams. 222 00:10:51,266 --> 00:10:55,667 Repetitive of people that are close to me being hurt. 223 00:10:55,667 --> 00:10:57,166 You take anything to sleep at night? 224 00:10:57,166 --> 00:10:58,367 'Cause I know when I take certain things, 225 00:10:58,367 --> 00:10:59,300 I get these weird dreams. 226 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:00,634 -But nothing like that. -No. 227 00:11:01,266 --> 00:11:02,467 Okay. Is there anything else? 228 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:05,867 Yeah, I hear voices that sound like my wife. 229 00:11:05,867 --> 00:11:08,000 Okay, how often is this happening? 230 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,300 I'd say weekly. 231 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:10,800 So, I mean, how sure are you 232 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,233 that it's not her calling you out? 233 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,767 I guess as sure as I can be. 234 00:11:14,767 --> 00:11:17,100 I mean we don't tend to play those types of games on each other... 235 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:18,900 -Right. -...especially with what's been going on. 236 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:22,000 How soon after moving in did paranormal activity start? 237 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,767 [exhales] I would say within the first week. 238 00:11:23,767 --> 00:11:26,100 -Wow. Okay, quick. -Yeah. Very quick. 239 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:27,200 The first day we were here 240 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,166 we had things being knocked off the shelves. 241 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:30,767 And we were just dumbfounded. 242 00:11:30,767 --> 00:11:32,600 If Cindy turns around and says, "Listen 243 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,400 you can't stay here, you can't fix this, you've got to go." 244 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,634 Then we're gonna go. 245 00:11:37,467 --> 00:11:40,066 If it's a battle that cannot truly be won, 246 00:11:40,066 --> 00:11:41,734 then I'm smart enough to know when I'm beat. 247 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,333 Okay. 248 00:11:50,867 --> 00:11:54,967 [Cindy] This dead woman, she can mimic voices. 249 00:11:54,967 --> 00:11:59,266 She's a little bit concerning because she fools people. 250 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:00,967 When people are showering in the shower 251 00:12:00,967 --> 00:12:02,934 they feel like they're being watched. 252 00:12:04,367 --> 00:12:07,066 Do you have any idea why she's staring at people in the shower? 253 00:12:07,066 --> 00:12:08,734 To make them uncomfortable. 254 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:13,066 This dead woman, she also moves objects. 255 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:14,867 People put their keys down, 256 00:12:14,867 --> 00:12:16,867 and they're like, "Where the hell are my keys?" 257 00:12:16,867 --> 00:12:20,600 So people think they're losing their stuff. She's moving it. 258 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,066 Any particular reason? 259 00:12:22,066 --> 00:12:24,834 She just likes to, to make people feel crazy. 260 00:12:31,667 --> 00:12:32,867 [Steve] So, guys, I understand 261 00:12:32,867 --> 00:12:34,367 that you're living here with mom, 262 00:12:34,367 --> 00:12:36,433 -in that bedroom in the back? -[both] Yeah. 263 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,900 [Steve] Right, Chloe, let me ask you 264 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:41,166 about the experiences you've had. 265 00:12:41,166 --> 00:12:42,900 -Have you had any? -Yes. 266 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:46,000 Not that long ago I was laying down with my mom 267 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000 and we felt something kicking the bed. 268 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,867 Could it have been one of the dogs running in? 269 00:12:50,867 --> 00:12:53,500 No, they stay in the cages at night. 270 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,467 -Did you come in and kick it? -Mmm, no. 271 00:12:55,467 --> 00:12:56,700 Sneaking in or anything like that? 272 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,000 So you weren't playing games with them? 273 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 No, I wasn't. 274 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,400 Aiden, you heard your sister's experiences, 275 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,166 -have you had any? -Yeah, I have. 276 00:13:03,166 --> 00:13:05,266 I was laying down in the room at night 277 00:13:05,266 --> 00:13:06,767 and I like saw something in there, 278 00:13:06,767 --> 00:13:09,166 like a tall, you could say, man 279 00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:10,800 was walking around in the room, 280 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,266 like pacing back and forth. 281 00:13:12,266 --> 00:13:13,967 At first I thought it could've been 282 00:13:13,967 --> 00:13:15,266 a shadow from outside, 283 00:13:15,266 --> 00:13:17,867 but I looked over, the blinds were closed. 284 00:13:17,867 --> 00:13:19,700 And now how long did this last? 285 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:23,000 Maybe about a minute. He eventually just disappeared. 286 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,066 Okay. 287 00:13:24,066 --> 00:13:25,300 So you saw that. Anything else? 288 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:28,000 I get nauseous and bad headaches sometimes. 289 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,467 What makes you think that's paranormal? 290 00:13:30,467 --> 00:13:32,266 Um, I've never really gotten nauseous 291 00:13:32,266 --> 00:13:34,266 or bad headaches before I moved here. 292 00:13:34,266 --> 00:13:36,767 Okay. You taking any medication that might make you sick? 293 00:13:36,767 --> 00:13:38,066 Oh, no. 294 00:13:38,066 --> 00:13:39,200 Are you feeling that way at all, right now? 295 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,867 I'm feeling a little nauseous, yes. 296 00:13:40,867 --> 00:13:41,867 [Steve] Okay. 297 00:13:41,867 --> 00:13:43,767 If I was talking to anybody else they would say 298 00:13:43,767 --> 00:13:45,867 what you're telling me, they'd be, "I wanna get out of here. 299 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:47,200 I wanna find some place to live." 300 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,967 But you guys, you don't seem too upset about anything? 301 00:13:48,967 --> 00:13:51,000 Are you fronting with me, what's going on? 302 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,100 -Definitely not. -Okay. 303 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:56,500 I have had experiences before with the paranormal, 304 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,000 so it doesn't really bother me. 305 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,867 -At all? -At all. 306 00:13:59,867 --> 00:14:01,934 And I've kind of lived with it the whole life. 307 00:14:02,767 --> 00:14:03,734 Okay. 308 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,266 [Cindy] This room is messed up. 309 00:14:12,266 --> 00:14:15,367 The dead guy comes in here. Goes out there. 310 00:14:15,367 --> 00:14:17,300 Come in here. Goes out there. 311 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,133 Back and forth this room. 312 00:14:21,066 --> 00:14:22,433 Is bad. 313 00:14:23,467 --> 00:14:27,333 I keep seeing somebody getting sick, throwing up. 314 00:14:29,266 --> 00:14:32,800 Like, he wants to enter somebody here 315 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,400 or to influence somebody 316 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,533 so they can commit crimes for him. 317 00:14:38,066 --> 00:14:40,700 He's interacting with whoever sleeps in this room. 318 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,767 I feel like he's trying to jump into this person. 319 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,300 Is there any particular reason it's this individual? 320 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:51,667 I feel like he's open. I feel like he's sensitive. 321 00:14:51,667 --> 00:14:53,367 Do you think others would say 322 00:14:53,367 --> 00:14:55,567 this person's behavior has changed? 323 00:14:55,567 --> 00:14:58,166 More aggressive, for sure. 324 00:14:58,166 --> 00:15:00,100 Snaps at people more. 325 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:02,033 The temperament has shifted. 326 00:15:03,867 --> 00:15:05,066 It's not good. 327 00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:08,066 What's this dead guy's intention? 328 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,066 I feel like he wants a body... 329 00:15:13,767 --> 00:15:17,467 so he can continue committing the crimes he committed when he was alive. 330 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,200 [Steve] It wasn't hard to figure out 331 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,000 where to start my investigation. 332 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 There's a huge state prison here. 333 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,467 It's the first thing you see when you drive into town. 334 00:15:29,467 --> 00:15:33,266 I reached out to one of my go-to guys here in Arizona, Marshall Shore. 335 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:36,967 He says some of the most brutal and violent killers have called this place home. 336 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,166 So, Marshall, it's good to see you again. 337 00:15:45,166 --> 00:15:46,967 I appreciate you helping me out. 338 00:15:46,967 --> 00:15:48,567 Before we get into things, what can you tell me 339 00:15:48,567 --> 00:15:49,900 about the history of this prison? 340 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,367 So, this is the first Arizona State Prison. 341 00:15:53,367 --> 00:15:55,066 They started building it in 1908, 342 00:15:55,066 --> 00:15:57,567 and they finished it in 1912. 343 00:15:57,567 --> 00:15:58,600 [Steve] You mentioned on the phone 344 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,166 there's a lot of hardcore killers here. 345 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:03,266 It's Arizona, I gotta assume there was some executions, right? 346 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,266 Yeah, I mean about 80 people in total 347 00:16:05,266 --> 00:16:08,266 were executed at the Arizona State Prison here in Florence. 348 00:16:08,266 --> 00:16:10,166 Okay, so you and I can sit here all day long 349 00:16:10,166 --> 00:16:11,667 and talk about all the scumbags 350 00:16:11,667 --> 00:16:13,100 that came in and out of this place 351 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:15,800 but anybody stick out to you? 352 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,767 You know, there was this duo serial killers, 353 00:16:18,767 --> 00:16:21,500 Willie Steelman and Douglas Gretzler, 354 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:24,867 they go on this drug-induced killing spree 355 00:16:24,867 --> 00:16:26,600 through California and Arizona, 356 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,667 and a total of 11 people were murdered, 357 00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:31,200 and they were both convicted. 358 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,467 And when they wound up in prison, 359 00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:35,567 Willie told his lawyer, "Don't release me 360 00:16:35,567 --> 00:16:38,266 because I can't control my own actions." 361 00:16:38,266 --> 00:16:40,266 -Okay, so he knew he was a psychopath? -Indeed. 362 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:42,266 All right so did they wind up getting executed here? 363 00:16:42,266 --> 00:16:44,767 Well, they're both sentenced to be executed 364 00:16:44,767 --> 00:16:48,767 but Willie in '86 passed away of liver disease. 365 00:16:48,767 --> 00:16:49,900 [Steve] So, what happened to the other guy? 366 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:51,166 Did he wind up getting executed? 367 00:16:51,166 --> 00:16:54,500 So, in 1998 he was executed through lethal injection. 368 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:57,266 I don't know how this is gonna play out for my investigation 369 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:58,800 but this location is less than a mile 370 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,266 -from my clients' house, right? -Oh. 371 00:17:00,266 --> 00:17:01,967 Lot of people that killed people, 372 00:17:02,567 --> 00:17:03,900 went into this building 373 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:05,700 -never made it out and were executed. -Right. 374 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:06,967 It's a lot of dead bodies. 375 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,066 [Cindy] Just keep hearing "The killing spree." 376 00:17:12,767 --> 00:17:15,066 I see a knife. I see blood. 377 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:16,867 This angry dead man, 378 00:17:17,667 --> 00:17:20,467 when he was alive was a killer 379 00:17:20,467 --> 00:17:23,266 and I keep sensing... 380 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:27,266 he's not done killing. 381 00:17:27,266 --> 00:17:30,433 I just saw a vision of a man hanging by a noose. 382 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:35,467 He wants a body that he can jump into, 383 00:17:35,467 --> 00:17:37,667 so he can continue committing the crimes 384 00:17:37,667 --> 00:17:39,467 he committed when he was alive. 385 00:17:39,467 --> 00:17:41,000 So he's here to harm people. 386 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,567 He's here to harm this family. 387 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,200 [Steve] So far, I've got clients who believe 388 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,266 something paranormal is out to kill them 389 00:17:48,266 --> 00:17:51,266 on a property less than a mile away from the state prison, 390 00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:53,800 where about 80 people have been executed. 391 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,734 But I wanna see if there's anything else. 392 00:17:57,767 --> 00:17:58,967 Searching through old records, 393 00:17:58,967 --> 00:18:01,000 I came across a horrifying murder 394 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,900 where a Florence state prisoner 395 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:05,233 killed his own mother during a furlough visit. 396 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:08,667 I reached out to a retired special agent 397 00:18:08,667 --> 00:18:10,300 who looked into this case for me. 398 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:12,367 He says he thought he'd seen it all 399 00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:14,734 but this case made his stomach turn. 400 00:18:21,166 --> 00:18:23,400 -So Mark, it's good to see you again. -[Mark] Good to see you. 401 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,667 [Steve] So, before we get into the crime itself 402 00:18:25,667 --> 00:18:27,266 what do we know about this guy? 403 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:30,367 The murderer, uh, was named Robert Henry Moormann. 404 00:18:30,367 --> 00:18:31,266 Okay. 405 00:18:31,266 --> 00:18:32,567 He had an absentee father, 406 00:18:32,567 --> 00:18:36,500 and his mother was a 15-year-old alcoholic prostitute. 407 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:38,900 She died in a car accident when he was two. 408 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:43,000 So I know he winds up killing the woman who adopts and raises him. 409 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 I mean who's that? 410 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,200 He was adopted at the age of two-and-a-half 411 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,867 by a Flagstaff couple, Fred and Maude Moormann, 412 00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:52,400 well-respected in Flagstaff. 413 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,467 They weren't able to have children of their own. 414 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,867 When did this kid start getting into trouble? 415 00:18:56,867 --> 00:18:58,967 Well his first stay in a mental, uh, 416 00:18:58,967 --> 00:19:01,266 state mental hospital was when he was 13, 417 00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,233 after he accidentally shot his mother. 418 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:05,100 He "accidentally" shot her? 419 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:06,467 Accidentally shot his mother. 420 00:19:06,467 --> 00:19:08,567 All right, so he shoots the mother. Is she dead? 421 00:19:08,567 --> 00:19:10,800 No, she lives. 422 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,767 As a matter of fact in 1967 when Dad dies and he's 18, 423 00:19:15,767 --> 00:19:17,900 she continued to raise him all by herself. 424 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,166 All right, so how does he wind up 425 00:19:19,166 --> 00:19:21,000 in s state prison here in Florence? 426 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,166 So, in 1972, when he's 23, 427 00:19:24,166 --> 00:19:26,634 Moormann kidnaps an eight-year-old girl 428 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,400 coming home from school. 429 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,166 For two days he takes her, they're driving north 430 00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:35,166 and they're stopping at motels along the way. 431 00:19:35,166 --> 00:19:37,967 He has her commit sexual acts to him 432 00:19:37,967 --> 00:19:39,467 at the motels as they're going, 433 00:19:39,467 --> 00:19:42,100 and he eventually turns himself in to the police. 434 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,066 All right, so does this guy plea out 435 00:19:44,066 --> 00:19:45,667 or does he go to trial, what happened? 436 00:19:45,667 --> 00:19:48,467 He was sentenced to nine-years-to-life 437 00:19:48,467 --> 00:19:50,667 in penitentiary, in Florence. 438 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:52,667 All right, so the homicide. What happened? 439 00:19:52,667 --> 00:19:56,800 At the time, the State of Arizona had a compassionate furlough 440 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,567 for minimum security prisoners 441 00:19:58,567 --> 00:20:00,333 which he was one of. 442 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,166 So, January 12, 1984, 443 00:20:03,166 --> 00:20:06,600 his mother Maude came down, checked him out, 444 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,066 and they went over to the Blue Mist Motel 445 00:20:09,066 --> 00:20:11,266 which is right across the street from the prison. 446 00:20:11,266 --> 00:20:13,367 [Steve] Okay I just left there literally minutes ago. 447 00:20:13,367 --> 00:20:16,100 Get this, that night he goes around 448 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:19,567 to local stores, local restaurants, 449 00:20:19,567 --> 00:20:24,300 and asks permission to throw bags of smelly rancid meat 450 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:25,567 in their trash bins 451 00:20:25,567 --> 00:20:27,467 because the motel he's sitting at, 452 00:20:27,467 --> 00:20:29,900 their dumpster is full. The problem is 453 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,867 he goes into a pizzeria, and the owner of the pizzeria 454 00:20:32,867 --> 00:20:35,467 is a retired, uh, corrections officer 455 00:20:35,467 --> 00:20:39,166 who recognizes him from when he was in the prison. 456 00:20:39,166 --> 00:20:43,266 The corrections officer calls PD and they come on out. 457 00:20:43,266 --> 00:20:44,867 All right, so I got to assume he's throwing out 458 00:20:44,867 --> 00:20:46,567 his mother's body parts at this point. 459 00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:50,667 Yeah. He winds up admitting to it in the back of the patrol car, 460 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:53,166 he says, "I dissected my mother. 461 00:20:53,166 --> 00:20:55,767 Cut her up. Cut her arms, her head off, 462 00:20:55,767 --> 00:20:56,767 put them in bags, 463 00:20:56,767 --> 00:20:58,600 and I go around to these stores 464 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,700 and I'm, I'm dumping her in the trash." 465 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:02,700 She's cut up but that doesn't mean that's how she died. 466 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:04,166 What was the official cause of the death? 467 00:21:04,166 --> 00:21:06,867 The autopsy showed that she had been suffocated 468 00:21:06,867 --> 00:21:09,166 and beaten before she died. 469 00:21:09,166 --> 00:21:11,834 -I got the obit right here. -Okay, so... 470 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,433 he had a little bit of a rage going on with her, huh? 471 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,166 Right, so cops got a confession, 472 00:21:18,166 --> 00:21:19,500 got the body. They got everything. 473 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:21,100 What happened with this guy? 474 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:23,767 They convicted him. Jury found him guilty 475 00:21:23,767 --> 00:21:25,667 after only two hours of deliberation. 476 00:21:25,667 --> 00:21:26,867 Sentenced him to death. 477 00:21:26,867 --> 00:21:28,667 All right, so I know at least 80 prisoners 478 00:21:28,667 --> 00:21:31,166 were put to death over there, is he one of them? 479 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,467 Yeah, he was. But he fought it for 28 years, 480 00:21:33,467 --> 00:21:36,467 until he was finally put to death in 2012. 481 00:21:36,467 --> 00:21:37,400 All right. 482 00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:40,767 So this woman gave up everything for this guy 483 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:43,567 and for all her good deeds, he murders her? 484 00:21:43,567 --> 00:21:44,967 Yes. 485 00:21:47,266 --> 00:21:49,767 [Cindy] I'm feeling the depressed woman when she was alive. 486 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:54,900 There's grief around actually losing a child, 487 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:58,634 a miscarriage, or blood, or problems with... 488 00:21:59,867 --> 00:22:02,467 reproductive stuff. 489 00:22:02,467 --> 00:22:04,834 And I keep hearing something about an adoption. 490 00:22:05,567 --> 00:22:07,934 I feel like she wanted to die. 491 00:22:08,467 --> 00:22:10,967 She was misunderstood. 492 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,066 She feels that 493 00:22:13,467 --> 00:22:14,367 nobody loved her, 494 00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:16,066 nobody cared about her anymore. 495 00:22:16,066 --> 00:22:17,700 She feels like 496 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:19,567 people just left her to die. 497 00:22:19,567 --> 00:22:24,233 When she did die, she carried over those feelings of, 498 00:22:25,467 --> 00:22:27,266 of pain. 499 00:22:27,266 --> 00:22:32,233 She was so sad and miserable and scared. 500 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,567 For more information on the show 501 00:22:35,567 --> 00:22:38,000 and if you need us to investigate any unexplained 502 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,767 paranormal activity in your home... 503 00:22:39,767 --> 00:22:41,233 Please visit... [continues reading] 504 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Click on Help me Dead Files 505 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,200 to submit your story 506 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,500 and we'll help if we can. 507 00:22:51,867 --> 00:22:54,000 [Steve] So, with Shanna and Jon seeing strange things 508 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,667 and feeling drained in their home, 509 00:22:56,166 --> 00:22:57,433 it got me thinking. 510 00:22:58,233 --> 00:23:00,266 This is a brand new development. 511 00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:02,667 There was nothing here but a bunch of dirt. 512 00:23:02,667 --> 00:23:04,166 Maybe we are not dealing with a haunting 513 00:23:04,166 --> 00:23:06,367 but with contaminated soil and water. 514 00:23:07,834 --> 00:23:09,767 So I called in some local geologists 515 00:23:09,767 --> 00:23:12,433 to see if there might be some other explanation for what's happening. 516 00:23:20,767 --> 00:23:24,066 So, Greg, Warner, I appreciate you two coming out here and helping me out. 517 00:23:24,066 --> 00:23:25,767 All right, so my clients live in this home. 518 00:23:25,767 --> 00:23:28,166 Um, and they are experiencing 519 00:23:28,166 --> 00:23:30,133 seeing thing, hearing things. 520 00:23:30,133 --> 00:23:32,000 They're also complaining about 521 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,834 haven't felt right since they moved in. 522 00:23:33,834 --> 00:23:35,867 So, I was thinking maybe it might be something wrong 523 00:23:35,867 --> 00:23:37,567 with the soil or maybe the water, 524 00:23:37,567 --> 00:23:39,467 that sound like anything to you? 525 00:23:39,467 --> 00:23:42,000 Yes, uh, it, it's possible. 526 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,367 Arizona has uh, typically a problem with certain 527 00:23:45,367 --> 00:23:48,000 heavy metals like arsenic and mercury. 528 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,166 We are a mining state and so we do have those 529 00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:53,467 components in a lot of our soils 530 00:23:53,467 --> 00:23:56,467 and those could cause some health effects 531 00:23:56,467 --> 00:23:58,266 if they're in high enough concentrations. 532 00:23:58,266 --> 00:24:01,467 So let me ask you a question, have you ever had a case where 533 00:24:01,467 --> 00:24:04,133 the toxicity in the soil was so high 534 00:24:04,133 --> 00:24:05,400 that people start hallucinating, 535 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,166 seeing things or where they got sick? 536 00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:09,000 Yes, uh, we have. 537 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,767 There are, uh, a couple of sites here 538 00:24:11,767 --> 00:24:15,500 in Arizona that I've been at that, we've seen rashes 539 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,834 and certainly feeling under the weather, dizziness, 540 00:24:18,834 --> 00:24:22,033 that type of thing, from exposure to some of these chemistries. 541 00:24:22,033 --> 00:24:24,567 Okay what about hallucinations, anything like that? 542 00:24:24,567 --> 00:24:27,233 In extreme, uh, cases, yes. 543 00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:29,367 Okay, got that. So you guys do your thing, 544 00:24:29,367 --> 00:24:31,533 and I'll get back with you when you're done. 545 00:24:36,567 --> 00:24:37,867 [Cindy] I'm hearing the elemental 546 00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:39,634 making noise up in the attic, 547 00:24:41,967 --> 00:24:43,734 I don't know why it's up here. 548 00:24:43,734 --> 00:24:45,567 I mean it can be anywhere 549 00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:49,233 but it's like, specifically hangs out up in this space. 550 00:24:51,233 --> 00:24:54,567 It's like if you were to walk in a room 551 00:24:54,567 --> 00:24:56,934 you feel like you can walk through 552 00:24:56,934 --> 00:24:59,233 -like a field of energy. -Hmm. Okay. 553 00:24:59,233 --> 00:25:01,233 It's like a force field. It's like it can... 554 00:25:01,233 --> 00:25:03,834 It can manipulate energetic boundaries. 555 00:25:04,834 --> 00:25:06,166 Create portals. 556 00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:07,667 Create openings. 557 00:25:07,667 --> 00:25:10,667 So, if I were to dig around the ground, 558 00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:13,467 there's something in the ground here 559 00:25:13,467 --> 00:25:14,734 that's mineral. 560 00:25:14,734 --> 00:25:17,634 That's affecting the force field. 561 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,033 [Steve] Look, I've spent more than 20 years 562 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:23,166 as a homicide detective 563 00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:24,266 and when you're working a case 564 00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:26,433 you gotta rule out the obvious first. 565 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,867 If my clients were exposed to heavy metals 566 00:25:29,867 --> 00:25:31,066 like arsenic and mercury 567 00:25:31,066 --> 00:25:33,667 in their soil and drinking water, 568 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:36,166 it could explain some of the bizarre experiences they're having. 569 00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:42,133 -Gentlemen. -Sir. 570 00:25:42,133 --> 00:25:43,934 So, how did it go? 571 00:25:43,934 --> 00:25:46,767 It went well. We were able to take our soil samples 572 00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:49,767 and collect what we need for the analytical laboratory. 573 00:25:49,767 --> 00:25:52,100 And how long does it take to get those results back? 574 00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:54,767 -The analysis comes back in 24 hours... -Okay. 575 00:25:54,767 --> 00:25:56,400 That's what we planned with laboratory. 576 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,667 Okay, great. I appreciate your help. Thanks, guys. 577 00:25:58,667 --> 00:25:59,834 -All right. No worries. -Thank you. 578 00:25:59,834 --> 00:26:01,533 -Thank you, sir. -Thank you. 579 00:26:07,467 --> 00:26:10,600 [Cindy] I saw a lot of really horrifying things during my walk, 580 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,734 but a couple really stuck with me. 581 00:26:13,667 --> 00:26:14,967 First the angry dead man 582 00:26:14,967 --> 00:26:17,667 choking a living woman in the main bedroom. 583 00:26:17,667 --> 00:26:22,433 I was looking at her through his eyes and just seeing the hands. 584 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,934 -I could feel her waking up. -Okay. 585 00:26:26,934 --> 00:26:28,567 And not being able to breathe, 586 00:26:28,567 --> 00:26:30,734 and choking and feeling afraid. 587 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,767 Next I had the artist sketch the angry man 588 00:26:39,767 --> 00:26:41,967 jumping a teenage boy in the house. 589 00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:43,667 If you could imagine a 590 00:26:43,667 --> 00:26:47,233 spirit wanting to take over somebody else's body... 591 00:26:47,233 --> 00:26:48,533 -Okay. -...just like that. 592 00:26:54,667 --> 00:26:58,133 -I think he needs to be just a little bit shorter. -Okay. 593 00:27:00,967 --> 00:27:03,166 And then was he really leaning into it 594 00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:05,233 or does that look okay the way he's standing? 595 00:27:05,233 --> 00:27:09,433 He's leaning over this kid trying to get into his body. 596 00:27:19,767 --> 00:27:21,333 Cindy, is this what you saw? 597 00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,433 That's definitely what I saw. 598 00:27:36,166 --> 00:27:39,467 [Steve] Now that Cindy and I have completed our investigations 599 00:27:39,467 --> 00:27:41,867 we are ready to reveal our findings to each other 600 00:27:41,867 --> 00:27:44,600 and our clients for the first time. 601 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,367 So, Cindy I want you to meet Shanna and her husband Jon. 602 00:27:48,367 --> 00:27:49,567 -Hi. -[Cindy] Nice to meet you. 603 00:27:49,567 --> 00:27:52,233 So, for years, the two of them saved the, every penny 604 00:27:52,233 --> 00:27:53,467 so they could buy this home. 605 00:27:53,467 --> 00:27:55,500 But the second they moved in here, 606 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,033 all hell broke loose. 607 00:27:58,066 --> 00:27:59,667 Now a few months ago, 608 00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:03,967 Shanna's cousin Mary moved in with her two kids. 609 00:28:03,967 --> 00:28:05,934 -This is Aiden who's 16. -Mm-hmm. 610 00:28:05,934 --> 00:28:08,266 And this is Chloe who is 13. 611 00:28:08,266 --> 00:28:10,734 Everyone is having a terrible time. 612 00:28:10,734 --> 00:28:11,567 And these guys are convinced 613 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:12,867 whatever's here is out for blood. 614 00:28:12,867 --> 00:28:14,066 Mm-hmm. 615 00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:16,467 Now that Cindy knows just a little bit about you guys, 616 00:28:16,467 --> 00:28:18,200 uh, she'll tell us about her walk. 617 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,367 When I first arrived at the house, 618 00:28:24,367 --> 00:28:27,066 I was really drawn up in the attic. 619 00:28:28,133 --> 00:28:31,033 And what you have up there is an elemental. 620 00:28:31,033 --> 00:28:33,767 That basically means a spirit from the earth. 621 00:28:33,767 --> 00:28:35,667 It was never human. 622 00:28:35,667 --> 00:28:41,100 And I think the elemental is connected to the land that your house was built on. 623 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,100 It can wreak havoc in your home. 624 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,934 It can drain your energy. 625 00:28:45,667 --> 00:28:47,567 And I also think you guys might be hearing 626 00:28:47,567 --> 00:28:49,767 thumping, or something coming from the ceiling. 627 00:28:49,767 --> 00:28:50,934 Yeah, definitely. 628 00:28:51,767 --> 00:28:53,467 First thing you need to know 629 00:28:53,467 --> 00:28:56,467 -is this neighborhood is brand new. -Hmm. 630 00:28:56,467 --> 00:28:58,567 I want you to take a look at this aerial photo. 631 00:28:58,567 --> 00:29:00,767 Now as you can see there was nothing here 632 00:29:00,767 --> 00:29:02,233 -but dirt... -[Cindy] Right. 633 00:29:02,233 --> 00:29:03,834 [Steve] before the neighborhood was even built. 634 00:29:03,834 --> 00:29:05,133 [Cindy] That makes sense. 635 00:29:07,867 --> 00:29:10,467 As soon as you said "drain," you and I looked at each other. 636 00:29:10,467 --> 00:29:12,433 I'm drained 24/7. 637 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,734 It is just absolutely exhausting. 638 00:29:17,734 --> 00:29:20,233 Another thing she mentioned was the noise, you know, 639 00:29:20,233 --> 00:29:22,734 you told me about sounds like the furniture was being moved. 640 00:29:22,734 --> 00:29:25,066 We do. And I've heard 641 00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:27,634 you know, thumps and so forth coming from the attic. 642 00:29:28,867 --> 00:29:30,967 [Steve] So I also had my own suspicions, um, 643 00:29:30,967 --> 00:29:34,233 that there might be something going on with the ground here. 644 00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:36,500 So I called in two geologists 645 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,867 to come by the house and take some soil samples, 646 00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:40,467 for testing. 647 00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:43,000 The good news is the results came back normal, 648 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,734 and I have those here. 649 00:29:44,734 --> 00:29:48,600 So that's one good thing about your property, that your soil is good. 650 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,667 The bad news is it came back normal. 651 00:29:51,734 --> 00:29:55,233 Which means your problem can't be easily explained. 652 00:29:55,233 --> 00:29:56,333 Well, there's more. 653 00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:00,367 Next I wanna talk about a dead woman 654 00:30:00,367 --> 00:30:01,834 who's very active here 655 00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:03,467 and is causing a lot of problems. 656 00:30:03,467 --> 00:30:06,166 She really likes to mess with people and make them feel crazy. 657 00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:10,133 She can also mimic the voices of people in the house. 658 00:30:12,467 --> 00:30:14,233 I feel like people that are alive 659 00:30:14,233 --> 00:30:16,166 will feel like they're being watched by somebody, 660 00:30:16,166 --> 00:30:17,300 especially in the shower. 661 00:30:18,133 --> 00:30:21,667 I feel it. I feel being watched... 662 00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:24,400 constantly if I'm in the shower. 663 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,266 Tell Cindy about the apparition of the woman. 664 00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:28,266 I felt a presence, 665 00:30:28,266 --> 00:30:29,567 and I didn't know what it was 666 00:30:29,567 --> 00:30:31,967 but it was just very creepy and there was a full apparition 667 00:30:31,967 --> 00:30:35,467 standing in the kitchen... watching me. 668 00:30:35,467 --> 00:30:38,033 She mentioned mimicking, explain what's going on with that. 669 00:30:38,033 --> 00:30:41,500 So hearing her call my name repeatedly 670 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:43,233 -almost in distress... -Yeah. 671 00:30:43,233 --> 00:30:47,033 ...and then I go searching for her and she's... 672 00:30:47,033 --> 00:30:50,000 nowhere where I would be able to hear that even. 673 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,934 But the thing that worries me the most 674 00:30:52,934 --> 00:30:55,934 is she likes to manipulate people's emotions, 675 00:30:56,667 --> 00:30:58,767 and she wants to make people upset. 676 00:30:58,767 --> 00:31:03,233 So she can drive people to depression and even drug abuse. 677 00:31:03,233 --> 00:31:06,500 Now one of the big reason these guys called us in 678 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,333 is because they feel their moods 679 00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:11,767 have changed significantly since they got here. 680 00:31:11,767 --> 00:31:15,667 I go up and down so quickly, it's not even funny. 681 00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:17,467 And you've never had that before? 682 00:31:17,467 --> 00:31:18,867 Yeah. 683 00:31:18,867 --> 00:31:21,400 I'm a generally calm person. 684 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,000 I spent my career on the street as a paramedic 685 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,400 -having to be calm. -[Steve] Right. 686 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,233 Now it seems like the very littlest things 687 00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:31,367 will send me into a rage. 688 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:32,934 -That has to be terrifying... -It is. 689 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,834 ...because you have no control over your emotions. 690 00:31:34,834 --> 00:31:36,834 I mean we are just not happy. 691 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,567 I was feeling into who this woman was when she was alive. 692 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:46,834 There's grief around actually losing a child, 693 00:31:46,834 --> 00:31:50,433 a miscarriage, or blood, or problems with... 694 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,266 reproductive stuff. 695 00:31:54,266 --> 00:31:56,734 And I keep hearing something about an adoption. 696 00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:03,233 She was so sad and miserable and scared. 697 00:32:04,367 --> 00:32:06,100 I came across somebody 698 00:32:06,767 --> 00:32:08,367 might fit the description. 699 00:32:08,367 --> 00:32:10,400 Her name was Maude Moormann. 700 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,834 Maude and her husband Fred uh, wanted children, 701 00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:14,767 but couldn't have any of their own. 702 00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:18,266 So 1950 they adopted a two-and-a-half year old boy. 703 00:32:18,266 --> 00:32:20,333 His name was Robert Henry Moormann. 704 00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:21,834 When he was 13 years old, 705 00:32:21,834 --> 00:32:24,100 he accidentally shot his mother. 706 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,467 Oh, my God. 707 00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:27,166 But fortunately she lived. 708 00:32:27,166 --> 00:32:29,233 So when Robert was 23, 709 00:32:29,233 --> 00:32:30,767 he kidnapped an eight-year-old girl 710 00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:32,834 -on her way home from school. -[gasps] 711 00:32:32,834 --> 00:32:35,300 So, he went on the run stopping at motels 712 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,266 making this little girl perform sexual acts. 713 00:32:38,266 --> 00:32:40,133 So eventually his car broke down 714 00:32:40,133 --> 00:32:42,133 and he turned himself in to the police. 715 00:32:42,133 --> 00:32:45,166 So he gets to sentenced to nine years to life. 716 00:32:45,166 --> 00:32:47,600 Now on January 12th, 1984, 717 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,066 Robert was allowed a "compassionate" furlough 718 00:32:51,066 --> 00:32:53,567 that the state had to visit with his mom. 719 00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:55,734 So his mom came in, checked him out of prison 720 00:32:55,734 --> 00:32:58,066 and into room 22 721 00:32:58,066 --> 00:33:00,433 at the Blue Mist Motel across the street. 722 00:33:01,467 --> 00:33:04,400 Later that night Robert went to a pizzeria 723 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,834 that was owned by a former corrections officer 724 00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:09,000 and asked if he can dump some... 725 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,400 bad meat that went rancid on him. 726 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,734 The owner recognize him and was suspicious so he called the cops. 727 00:33:14,734 --> 00:33:16,867 Um, police came to the hotel and arrested Rob. 728 00:33:16,867 --> 00:33:18,667 While he was in the squad car 729 00:33:18,667 --> 00:33:21,567 he admitted that he killed and dissected his own mother. 730 00:33:21,567 --> 00:33:23,500 -Um... -Oh, my gosh. 731 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,834 I got the obituary right here. 732 00:33:25,834 --> 00:33:28,567 Robert was found guilty and given the death penalty. 733 00:33:28,567 --> 00:33:31,467 Now he fought off his execution for 28 years. 734 00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:32,567 -Wow. -[Steve] Right. 735 00:33:32,567 --> 00:33:33,667 It's a long time. 736 00:33:33,667 --> 00:33:36,433 But was eventually given a lethal injection in 2012. 737 00:33:37,233 --> 00:33:38,934 When you said those few things 738 00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:40,567 she's the only person I can think of 739 00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:42,367 that might fit that description. 740 00:33:42,367 --> 00:33:44,266 -What, what are your thoughts on it? -I mean, yeah, 741 00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:45,767 especially the adoption part. 742 00:33:45,767 --> 00:33:48,867 It was just like talk about the adoption, talk about the adoption, 743 00:33:48,867 --> 00:33:51,600 -like over and over and over. -Right. 744 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,433 She wants everybody in the house to feel her pain. 745 00:33:55,166 --> 00:33:56,500 So it would make sense 746 00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:59,967 that she's creating problems between the two of you. 747 00:33:59,967 --> 00:34:02,333 -[Jon] Now, I understand... -Mm-hmm. 748 00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:04,500 ...like, I can feel that rage. 749 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,533 Like, it makes perfect sense. 750 00:34:08,467 --> 00:34:10,767 [Steve] All right, so what else we got going on? 751 00:34:10,767 --> 00:34:14,934 [Cindy] So the next dead person that I wanna talk about that's in your house 752 00:34:14,934 --> 00:34:18,400 is a very angry and aggressive male. 753 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,333 When he was alive I got that he was a killer. 754 00:34:22,166 --> 00:34:24,400 I kept hearing, "Killing spree." 755 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,333 Then I saw a vision of a man hanging from a noose, 756 00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:31,467 and I kept hearing the name Will or Willie. 757 00:34:31,467 --> 00:34:33,467 Now first thing you gotta know, Cindy, 758 00:34:33,467 --> 00:34:35,033 is that there's a huge state prison 759 00:34:35,033 --> 00:34:37,266 -less than a mile from here. -Yeah, and I didn't know that going in... 760 00:34:37,266 --> 00:34:38,166 -Yeah, so... -Yeah. 761 00:34:38,166 --> 00:34:39,367 And that's where Moormann 762 00:34:39,367 --> 00:34:40,834 that I was just telling you about 763 00:34:41,567 --> 00:34:42,600 uh, was executed. 764 00:34:43,567 --> 00:34:46,333 Now a whole bunch of killers called this prison home. 765 00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:47,734 Way too many to mention. 766 00:34:47,734 --> 00:34:50,467 But I actually did come across one named Willie in my research. 767 00:34:50,467 --> 00:34:51,967 -You did? -I did. 768 00:34:51,967 --> 00:34:54,066 His name was Willie Steelman 769 00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:56,867 and in the early '70s he and his partner in crime 770 00:34:56,867 --> 00:34:59,400 went on a terror spree in Arizona and California. 771 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,233 The two were convicted of murdering 11 people. 772 00:35:02,233 --> 00:35:03,767 Wow. 773 00:35:03,767 --> 00:35:07,033 Willie Steelman never made it to the gas chamber. 774 00:35:07,033 --> 00:35:10,367 -He actually died of liver disease in 1986. -Mmm. 775 00:35:10,367 --> 00:35:12,767 I'm not sure if this is the guy 776 00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:14,100 -but-- -Oh, that's the guy. 777 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,300 -Definitely fits the description. -Yeah. 778 00:35:17,767 --> 00:35:19,867 You said this guy is dangerous. I mean... 779 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:21,400 what's he do? 780 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,400 In the main bedroom I saw him getting into bed... 781 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,033 with you guys. 782 00:35:28,133 --> 00:35:32,233 So you should feel the bed sinking in sometimes. 783 00:35:34,767 --> 00:35:35,867 Did I tell you she's good? 784 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,100 I... I know she's good. 785 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,667 Tell her what you show-- what you told me 786 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:41,100 and what you showed me happens. 787 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,734 So there's a lot of nights that you can feel like, 788 00:35:43,734 --> 00:35:45,500 somebody, like, pushing on the bed 789 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,333 or sometimes I get my foot tapped. 790 00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:48,867 Hm-mmm. 791 00:35:48,867 --> 00:35:51,333 [Cindy] One of the most disturbing things that I saw 792 00:35:51,333 --> 00:35:53,934 was him trying to choke a woman in bed. 793 00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:57,233 And I had a sketch done of what I saw. 794 00:36:04,767 --> 00:36:07,133 It's gonna disturb you to see this, for sure. 795 00:36:10,967 --> 00:36:12,166 Yep. 796 00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:14,934 [Shanna] I felt that. 797 00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:19,266 Several times, I felt that. 798 00:36:19,266 --> 00:36:22,834 -There's more. Sorry I have to bring this up. -No, it's okay. 799 00:36:22,834 --> 00:36:25,467 She needs to tell you about how she's being touched. 800 00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:26,667 Sexually. 801 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,467 I'm so sorry. 802 00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:30,100 -Thank you. -Mm-hmm. 803 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,567 And she's a tough lady, but you can only take so much. 804 00:36:32,567 --> 00:36:34,200 Yeah, it's a lot. 805 00:36:35,166 --> 00:36:36,667 So, is anybody else in the house 806 00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,567 -getting affected by this guy? -Yes. 807 00:36:39,467 --> 00:36:42,967 So I went into the other bedroom in the house. 808 00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:44,867 That's where Mary and the kids sleep. 809 00:36:44,867 --> 00:36:46,400 -Right. -[Jon] Yeah. 810 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,934 This dead guy is very, very present there. 811 00:36:50,567 --> 00:36:53,166 I saw him focused on a boy 812 00:36:53,166 --> 00:36:56,467 who I thought was around 13 or 14 813 00:36:56,467 --> 00:36:59,867 and I think that this kid really has abilities. He's very open. 814 00:36:59,867 --> 00:37:04,266 And the dead guy is literally 815 00:37:04,266 --> 00:37:09,133 jumping this kid, trying to get into this kid. 816 00:37:09,133 --> 00:37:13,233 I felt that this is making the boy nauseous or sick. 817 00:37:13,967 --> 00:37:15,000 [exhales] 818 00:37:16,667 --> 00:37:19,834 So, I had a sketch done of what I saw. 819 00:37:23,934 --> 00:37:25,533 This is interesting. 820 00:37:29,367 --> 00:37:30,800 Holy crap. 821 00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:34,467 Looks just like Aiden. 822 00:37:34,467 --> 00:37:36,467 [Jon] My God, it does. 823 00:37:36,467 --> 00:37:38,834 [Steve] You know, I spoke to Aiden, now he's 16, right? 824 00:37:38,834 --> 00:37:42,133 Now, he told me he's had experiences his whole life. 825 00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:43,834 And just like you said, he's constantly 826 00:37:43,834 --> 00:37:46,000 getting headaches and feeling nauseous. 827 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,967 He also told me he sees a shadow person 828 00:37:47,967 --> 00:37:50,066 pacing in the bedroom. 829 00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:52,500 Now is that this scumbag or is this something else? 830 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:54,300 I definitely think it's... 831 00:37:54,867 --> 00:37:56,066 -Willie? -Willie. 832 00:37:57,567 --> 00:37:58,967 What does he want with Aiden? 833 00:37:58,967 --> 00:38:01,767 So, Willie wants to keep doing what he did in his life. 834 00:38:01,767 --> 00:38:04,634 He wants to keep stealing. He wants to keep killing. 835 00:38:05,166 --> 00:38:07,767 And he's trying to use Aiden 836 00:38:07,767 --> 00:38:09,734 somehow to make that happen. 837 00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:14,967 I don't even know where to start. 838 00:38:14,967 --> 00:38:17,667 These are people who don't have a right to be in our space. 839 00:38:26,834 --> 00:38:29,667 So, listen you guys brought us in to save two things, 840 00:38:29,667 --> 00:38:32,033 your dreamhouse and your marriage. 841 00:38:32,033 --> 00:38:34,333 Now we're gonna find out if either one of those are possible. 842 00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:37,100 And if so what is it gonna take? 843 00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:40,100 For that answer I'm gonna turn it over to my partner Cindy. 844 00:38:42,567 --> 00:38:44,767 [Cindy] First let's talk about the elemental. 845 00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:49,634 You can bring somebody in to do a land clearing and see if that works. 846 00:38:50,266 --> 00:38:51,934 Clearing out your backyard. 847 00:38:51,934 --> 00:38:53,500 I would recommend somebody 848 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,533 that's good with working with the elements. 849 00:38:56,767 --> 00:38:57,967 And I would also recommend 850 00:38:57,967 --> 00:39:00,533 somebody who's native to the land. 851 00:39:02,233 --> 00:39:05,000 Next let's just move on to the dead woman. 852 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,967 I feel like you need to bring in a medium to talk with her. 853 00:39:08,967 --> 00:39:12,634 I feel like the medium should be a man. 854 00:39:13,867 --> 00:39:15,000 Okay. 855 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000 But he has to be compassionate. 856 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,567 Because she's so traumatized by the loss of her son 857 00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:22,867 and how it happened that there's a piece of her 858 00:39:22,867 --> 00:39:26,166 that can't move on until that's healed. 859 00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:28,533 -Absolutely. -Yeah. Yeah. 860 00:39:29,266 --> 00:39:30,433 Now, for Willie. 861 00:39:31,734 --> 00:39:33,867 It's a big one. 862 00:39:33,867 --> 00:39:37,266 I feel like you also need to bring a medium in, 863 00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:40,133 but you need to bring in a female medium, a woman. 864 00:39:40,133 --> 00:39:43,867 As we know most serial killers have mommy-issues. 865 00:39:43,867 --> 00:39:45,166 I feel like this woman 866 00:39:45,166 --> 00:39:48,300 has to be very stern, very direct. 867 00:39:49,967 --> 00:39:52,100 But I feel like that's your best bet with him. 868 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,266 I can't guarantee 869 00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:56,433 that these things are going to work. 870 00:39:57,467 --> 00:39:59,834 But I think it's worth giving it a shot 871 00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,800 because this is your home. 872 00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:05,934 So sounds like you don't have to leave it for now. 873 00:40:05,934 --> 00:40:07,500 Yeah, that's a good thing. 874 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,033 I'm gonna fight. 875 00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:11,133 That's just what we've been doing all along. 876 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,567 But we need to check in in six months 877 00:40:14,567 --> 00:40:16,934 to see if the activity has died down 878 00:40:16,934 --> 00:40:18,433 once you bring in these mediums 879 00:40:18,433 --> 00:40:21,100 and you try to get rid of these spirits. 880 00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:24,166 -So, you're not really in the clear yet. -No. 881 00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:25,967 -Just the beginning of the fight. -Yeah. 882 00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:29,867 So is there anything they can do to help Aiden before the mediums come in? 883 00:40:29,867 --> 00:40:34,867 Yeah, so I draw spirit guides and I made one for Aiden. 884 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:39,867 And I feel like you can hang it on the wall in the room. 885 00:40:39,867 --> 00:40:41,233 So he feels protected. 886 00:40:41,934 --> 00:40:43,333 Wow. 887 00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:46,667 And he can ask for help from his spirit guide when he feels afraid. 888 00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:50,667 He has this particular guide around him right now to help him during this time. 889 00:40:51,367 --> 00:40:52,266 That's great news. 890 00:40:52,266 --> 00:40:54,133 -It really is. -That is very amazing. 891 00:40:54,133 --> 00:40:56,667 -Thank you. -You're welcome. Yeah. 892 00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:58,367 Are you gonna take Cindy's advice? 893 00:40:58,367 --> 00:40:59,834 Without a doubt. 894 00:41:00,367 --> 00:41:02,133 Absolutely. Word for word. 895 00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:03,667 We have answers to questions 896 00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:06,100 we've been asking for a really long time. 897 00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:07,967 -Yeah. -You guys are amazing. 898 00:41:07,967 --> 00:41:09,266 -[Jon] Thanks to you guys... -Thank you. 899 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:10,567 We now know what we have to do. 900 00:41:12,266 --> 00:41:14,233 [Cindy] I'm so glad we were able to provide 901 00:41:14,233 --> 00:41:16,867 Shanna and Jon with some answers. 902 00:41:16,867 --> 00:41:22,333 If they follow my advice and if in six months the activities died down, 903 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:25,500 they should be able to live a peaceful life in their new dream home. 904 00:41:32,033 --> 00:41:34,100 Hi, guys, we wanted to says thanks for coming out 905 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,567 and taking care of some things for us. 906 00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:38,033 We gratefully appreciate it. 907 00:41:38,033 --> 00:41:41,667 First off, we believe the gentleman that was here 908 00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:43,834 moved on with the family that had moved out. 909 00:41:44,734 --> 00:41:47,133 We know that the lady is still here, 910 00:41:47,133 --> 00:41:51,467 but we are working to get her removed probably next month. 911 00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:55,033 Other than that things seem to be going to the positive, 912 00:41:55,033 --> 00:41:57,567 which is a good thing. Thank you guys again for coming out. 913 00:41:57,567 --> 00:41:59,367 Thank you so much for coming to help us.