1 00:00:01,543 --> 00:00:05,464 The theory seems to be that Ben Rifkin was bullying you. 2 00:00:05,547 --> 00:00:06,632 You got a knife... 3 00:00:06,715 --> 00:00:08,217 Wait, he was bullying you? 4 00:00:08,926 --> 00:00:12,638 Dr. Vogel is an authority in genetic inheritance in behavior. 5 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:14,723 Do you have any doubts about Jacob's innocence? 6 00:00:14,806 --> 00:00:17,684 I wanna dig deeper into Leonard Patz. I wanna see his case file. 7 00:00:17,768 --> 00:00:20,187 So, he was aware of his burgeoning celebrity. 8 00:00:20,771 --> 00:00:22,189 Hey, bud. Who you playing with? 9 00:00:22,272 --> 00:00:23,190 Oh, just some guy. 10 00:00:23,273 --> 00:00:24,608 This is why you can't be on social media. 11 00:00:24,691 --> 00:00:26,652 - All this stuff gets stored somewhere. - I know. 12 00:00:26,735 --> 00:00:28,403 - So you're staying off it? - Yes. 13 00:00:28,487 --> 00:00:31,949 We all need to come clean with each other. No more secrets. 14 00:00:32,031 --> 00:00:34,284 Your grandfather... he's in prison. 15 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:35,244 What did he do? 16 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:37,704 He killed a girl. 17 00:03:15,321 --> 00:03:18,240 - I just wanted it. That's all. - But why did you want it? 18 00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:20,743 I just did. It was a cool knife. 19 00:03:21,577 --> 00:03:24,413 The DA will say you bought it because you were being bullied by Ben. 20 00:03:24,497 --> 00:03:26,082 They're gonna use that as motive. 21 00:03:26,499 --> 00:03:27,500 But it wasn't. 22 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:29,835 Your friend Derek seems to think otherwise. 23 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,881 Tell me why you think Derek connected your knife to what happened to Ben. 24 00:03:36,175 --> 00:03:37,426 I don't know. 25 00:03:38,219 --> 00:03:40,513 Maybe he's the real killer, and he wants to blame me for it. 26 00:03:40,596 --> 00:03:42,056 - Whoa. Hold on a minute. - What? 27 00:03:42,139 --> 00:03:43,766 - I'm just saying. - This isn't a game, Jacob. 28 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:46,644 If you think Derek had something to do with this, 29 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:47,728 we need to know why you think it. 30 00:03:47,812 --> 00:03:49,814 You really think Derek had something to do with this? 31 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,441 I don't. 32 00:03:53,484 --> 00:03:56,028 You asked me why he's blaming me. I don't know why. 33 00:03:57,113 --> 00:04:00,032 Had you ever said anything to him about wanting to hurt Ben? 34 00:04:01,534 --> 00:04:03,452 - I don't think so. - That's not a no. 35 00:04:05,413 --> 00:04:09,333 Maybe, but not in a way that meant anything. 36 00:04:10,001 --> 00:04:12,503 I mean, Derek didn't like him either. A lot of kids didn't. 37 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,213 Where is the knife now? 38 00:04:18,467 --> 00:04:19,593 Andy, you have it? 39 00:04:21,053 --> 00:04:23,222 It was a dangerous weapon. I threw it away. 40 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:26,726 I did what any parent would've done. 41 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:28,936 So the knife is gone? 42 00:04:29,020 --> 00:04:30,980 This is well before Jacob was considered a suspect. 43 00:04:31,063 --> 00:04:32,773 Andy, I'm not accusing you of anything. 44 00:04:32,857 --> 00:04:34,233 I'm trying to ascertain what happened. 45 00:04:34,317 --> 00:04:36,986 Right, right, right. Yes. Sorry. It's gone. 46 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:43,617 Had you taken it to school on the day Ben was killed? 47 00:04:44,535 --> 00:04:45,536 No. 48 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:47,580 Have it with you in the park that morning? 49 00:04:48,414 --> 00:04:52,001 When you left for school, did you follow your usual route? 50 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:55,796 Yeah. 51 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,673 So the spot where Ben was killed 52 00:04:57,757 --> 00:05:00,967 just happened to be on the very same path you normally follow? 53 00:05:02,345 --> 00:05:04,347 I guess so. 54 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:06,182 I never really thought about it that way. 55 00:05:06,265 --> 00:05:10,478 Before you discovered Ben's body, did you see or hear anything unusual? 56 00:05:11,687 --> 00:05:12,730 You sure? 57 00:05:13,981 --> 00:05:16,567 I was just walking, and then... 58 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:19,028 there he was, 59 00:05:19,528 --> 00:05:22,740 just lying there at the bottom of this slope, 60 00:05:23,157 --> 00:05:24,325 in a bunch of leaves. 61 00:05:24,408 --> 00:05:25,618 Dry leaves or wet leaves? 62 00:05:26,661 --> 00:05:27,662 Wet. 63 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:31,999 So, you found this body lying on the ground. What did you do? 64 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:35,169 - I kind of called his name, like... - Ben? 65 00:05:35,544 --> 00:05:37,838 "Ben? Ben? Are you okay?" 66 00:05:37,922 --> 00:05:39,674 You recognized him right away? 67 00:05:40,716 --> 00:05:41,717 Yeah. 68 00:05:41,801 --> 00:05:44,887 In the police report, you said that he was lying face down, 69 00:05:44,971 --> 00:05:46,639 his head at the bottom of the slope. 70 00:05:46,722 --> 00:05:48,557 And unless I'm missing something, from that angle, 71 00:05:48,641 --> 00:05:50,810 all you could see was the bottom of his sneakers? 72 00:05:51,811 --> 00:05:54,397 No. I could see more than that. 73 00:05:55,815 --> 00:05:57,650 So, then what? 74 00:05:57,733 --> 00:05:59,902 He wasn't moving, so I went down the hill 75 00:05:59,986 --> 00:06:01,904 to see if he was hurt or something. 76 00:06:02,571 --> 00:06:03,906 Did you cry out for help? 77 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,200 No. 78 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:08,369 Did it occur to you to call 911? 79 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:12,039 Yeah, but I didn't... 80 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:14,667 I didn't know what it was at first. 81 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:18,629 I thought it could've been an accident. 82 00:06:18,713 --> 00:06:20,339 Like maybe he fell or something. 83 00:06:20,423 --> 00:06:22,091 Fell on what exactly? 84 00:06:22,174 --> 00:06:23,592 On... I don't know. I'm just saying... 85 00:06:23,676 --> 00:06:25,845 And if it was an accident, you wouldn't need to call 911? 86 00:06:25,928 --> 00:06:28,306 No. It's... That's... 87 00:06:29,765 --> 00:06:31,017 You're twisting things. 88 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:32,351 Why didn't you just call me? 89 00:06:32,435 --> 00:06:33,436 Andy, if you don't mind... 90 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:35,062 I thought I'd get in trouble or something. 91 00:06:35,146 --> 00:06:37,231 - In trouble? - Andy, please. 92 00:06:39,984 --> 00:06:41,068 What happened next, Jacob? 93 00:06:42,862 --> 00:06:46,741 I went down the hill, and I got down beside him. 94 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:48,409 Got down on your knees. 95 00:06:49,035 --> 00:06:50,202 I think so. Yeah. 96 00:06:50,286 --> 00:06:51,704 In the wet leaves? 97 00:06:52,663 --> 00:06:53,789 Or maybe I was standing. 98 00:06:53,873 --> 00:06:55,374 Stayed standing? 99 00:06:55,708 --> 00:06:57,460 I honestly don't remember. 100 00:06:58,294 --> 00:07:00,212 Derek saw you at school a short while later. 101 00:07:00,296 --> 00:07:02,590 He said that your clothes looked perfectly clean. 102 00:07:04,592 --> 00:07:06,135 I guess I was standing, then. 103 00:07:07,303 --> 00:07:08,471 Then what? 104 00:07:09,972 --> 00:07:13,184 Then I rolled him over to check on him. 105 00:07:13,267 --> 00:07:15,519 How did you roll him over? With your foot? Your hands? 106 00:07:15,603 --> 00:07:18,105 - Hand. - Even though you were standing? 107 00:07:18,189 --> 00:07:22,443 I bent down. I remember bending down to turn him over. 108 00:07:22,526 --> 00:07:25,488 Is that how your fingerprint wound up on the tag of Ben's sweatshirt? 109 00:07:25,905 --> 00:07:27,239 Maybe. I guess. 110 00:07:27,323 --> 00:07:29,784 So you rolled him over by his collar. 111 00:07:30,284 --> 00:07:31,327 Yes, right. So... 112 00:07:32,495 --> 00:07:35,790 that's when I saw the blood, and I started freaking out. 113 00:07:35,873 --> 00:07:39,543 Because face up, it was now apparent that Ben had been attacked. 114 00:07:40,836 --> 00:07:43,631 - Yeah. - Was there a lot of blood? 115 00:07:45,174 --> 00:07:46,175 Yes. 116 00:07:46,926 --> 00:07:50,471 And still, your phone remained in your pocket. 117 00:07:50,554 --> 00:07:54,809 I got scared, and I figured someone else would find him pretty soon anyways. 118 00:07:55,935 --> 00:07:57,645 You said you were freaking out. 119 00:07:58,312 --> 00:07:59,647 Yes, I was. 120 00:07:59,730 --> 00:08:01,232 When Derek saw you later at school, 121 00:08:01,315 --> 00:08:04,068 he described you as being in a good mood that morning. 122 00:08:06,821 --> 00:08:08,072 I didn't want him to know. 123 00:08:08,698 --> 00:08:12,660 Why not? He's your good friend, isn't he? Why didn't you feel like you could tell... 124 00:08:12,743 --> 00:08:14,203 I don't know why. I just didn't, okay? 125 00:08:14,286 --> 00:08:15,454 - Hey. - What? 126 00:08:15,538 --> 00:08:16,789 It's obvious she doesn't believe me. 127 00:08:16,872 --> 00:08:20,001 Jacob, let me tell you something. It doesn't matter if I believe you. 128 00:08:20,084 --> 00:08:21,919 I'm your lawyer, not your mom or dad. 129 00:08:23,379 --> 00:08:24,922 Well, that's what really happened. 130 00:08:25,006 --> 00:08:26,299 No one's saying it didn't. 131 00:08:26,382 --> 00:08:28,884 Yeah, right. You don't think I can tell the way you're asking those questions? 132 00:08:28,968 --> 00:08:30,094 What way is that? 133 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:32,596 - I feel like you're trying to trick me. - What question was a trick? 134 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:34,473 - You know what I mean. - Actually, I don't. 135 00:08:34,557 --> 00:08:36,600 In what way am I trying to trick you? 136 00:08:36,684 --> 00:08:39,520 Joanna, please. You made your point. 137 00:08:44,734 --> 00:08:47,403 Jacob, I am sorry that I upset you, but I promise you, 138 00:08:47,486 --> 00:08:51,365 what we are doing here is nothing compared to what Mr. Logiudice will do to you 139 00:08:51,449 --> 00:08:52,700 if you take the stand. 140 00:08:53,367 --> 00:08:55,369 Your story has holes in it. 141 00:08:56,037 --> 00:08:58,414 I don't know why, and maybe you don't either. 142 00:08:58,497 --> 00:09:01,584 Our memories are often less reliable than we think, 143 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:04,629 particularly in moments of stress. 144 00:09:05,755 --> 00:09:09,675 But if I were a juror, I'd have a lot of questions. 145 00:09:11,469 --> 00:09:12,887 It's the truth. 146 00:09:14,055 --> 00:09:16,223 Not all the details. You messed me up on those. 147 00:09:16,973 --> 00:09:18,851 Okay. Okay. 148 00:09:18,934 --> 00:09:22,938 It's not okay. She just said the jury won't believe me, so... 149 00:09:23,021 --> 00:09:24,899 That's why we're not gonna put you on the witness stand. 150 00:09:24,982 --> 00:09:26,484 I think that's wise. 151 00:09:27,985 --> 00:09:29,236 How will I tell my story? 152 00:09:29,779 --> 00:09:31,405 That's my job, not yours. 153 00:09:31,489 --> 00:09:34,033 - Then what's his defense? - He doesn't need one. 154 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:35,743 What? 155 00:09:35,826 --> 00:09:37,411 Burden of proof is on the prosecution. 156 00:09:37,495 --> 00:09:39,747 Exactly. We're just going to attack their case 157 00:09:39,830 --> 00:09:42,792 until there is nothing left to attack. 158 00:09:42,875 --> 00:09:44,126 That's our defense. 159 00:09:46,796 --> 00:09:50,299 All right, we'll convene again next week, young man. 160 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:53,344 You guys go wait in the car. 161 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:55,388 I'm just gonna talk to Joanna for a second, okay? 162 00:10:02,353 --> 00:10:03,354 It's a mistake. 163 00:10:03,437 --> 00:10:05,898 Oh, you don't honestly think he belongs on the stand. 164 00:10:05,982 --> 00:10:07,942 No, of course not, but we can't just deflect. 165 00:10:08,025 --> 00:10:10,903 Juries want a story, and we gotta give 'em one. A better one. 166 00:10:10,987 --> 00:10:14,657 I don't disagree, but right now, all the evidence points one way. 167 00:10:15,366 --> 00:10:18,119 And I'm sorry, I'm speaking to you lawyer-to-lawyer here. 168 00:10:18,202 --> 00:10:19,620 The knife they found in the park... 169 00:10:19,704 --> 00:10:22,331 You saw the forensics report. It's not a match. 170 00:10:23,124 --> 00:10:24,625 He didn't do it, Joanna. 171 00:10:25,418 --> 00:10:27,837 I know his story sucks, but he's a kid. 172 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,547 They get confused. They say dumb things. 173 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:30,756 I know. 174 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,841 He's innocent. 175 00:10:33,551 --> 00:10:35,136 We're gonna get him through this, I promise, 176 00:10:35,219 --> 00:10:38,180 but when you start talking about giving the jury a better story... 177 00:10:38,264 --> 00:10:39,724 The story is Leonard Patz. 178 00:10:40,141 --> 00:10:42,059 There is nothing connecting him to this case. 179 00:10:42,143 --> 00:10:44,729 Yeah, 'cause no one's looked. No one's taken the time. 180 00:10:45,187 --> 00:10:48,316 I know there's something there, and I'm not gonna stop until I find it. 181 00:10:49,942 --> 00:10:52,069 Just tread carefully, okay? 182 00:10:52,987 --> 00:10:53,988 Okay. 183 00:10:55,031 --> 00:10:58,159 Oh, and I forgot to mention, I got a voice mail from a Globe reporter. 184 00:10:58,242 --> 00:11:00,745 I think they're in town doing some magazine piece on this. 185 00:11:00,828 --> 00:11:02,788 If you and Laurie get approached, do not... 186 00:11:02,872 --> 00:11:04,081 Yeah, yeah. Obviously. 187 00:11:04,165 --> 00:11:06,584 Any press is bad press right now. 188 00:11:07,627 --> 00:11:08,711 Thanks, Joanna. 189 00:11:18,804 --> 00:11:20,723 Mrs. Hazen said to come to the office. 190 00:11:36,739 --> 00:11:37,907 I was told... 191 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:40,076 Come on in, Derek. Have a seat next to your mom. 192 00:12:07,019 --> 00:12:10,147 Ma, is Middle East considered Africa or Asia? 193 00:12:12,858 --> 00:12:14,360 I think it's part of both. 194 00:12:37,717 --> 00:12:39,552 I don't get why we have to do this every night. 195 00:12:40,094 --> 00:12:41,095 Eat? 196 00:12:41,178 --> 00:12:43,639 No, have this big sit-down dinner. 197 00:12:44,849 --> 00:12:46,600 We never used to. Not like this. 198 00:12:47,226 --> 00:12:49,270 Well, we do now. 199 00:12:51,731 --> 00:12:53,691 It's like we're trying to pretend we're normal. 200 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:55,026 Is that so bad? 201 00:12:55,109 --> 00:12:56,152 It is when it's fake normal. 202 00:12:56,235 --> 00:12:58,195 Jacob, what do you want us to do? 203 00:12:59,113 --> 00:13:00,740 We've never been in this situation before. 204 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,743 What does a parent do? Just tell me, and I'll do it. 205 00:13:04,076 --> 00:13:07,288 You wanna go for burgers at Lee's and have the whole town stare at us? 206 00:13:07,371 --> 00:13:09,165 That's fine. We can do that. 207 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:11,375 - Honey. - No! I mean it. 208 00:13:11,459 --> 00:13:13,002 Maybe we're doing this wrong, 209 00:13:13,085 --> 00:13:15,296 acting like prisoners in our own home, 210 00:13:15,379 --> 00:13:18,299 sneaking out at all hours just to get a simple errand done. 211 00:13:18,758 --> 00:13:23,054 Just tell me what to do, because I have absolutely no idea anymore. Okay? 212 00:13:28,643 --> 00:13:31,520 Okay. I'm sorry. 213 00:13:33,064 --> 00:13:34,482 I shouldn't have said anything. 214 00:13:37,026 --> 00:13:38,069 It's fine. 215 00:13:41,697 --> 00:13:43,699 We can order pizza tomorrow. 216 00:13:57,046 --> 00:13:59,966 You guys hear about the hipster who burned his mouth on his pizza? 217 00:14:02,426 --> 00:14:04,679 He ate it before it was considered cool. 218 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:13,229 Got a telegram from headquarters today. 219 00:14:13,771 --> 00:14:14,981 Headquarters? What is it? 220 00:14:15,439 --> 00:14:19,193 Well, it's a big building where generals meet, but that's not important right now. 221 00:14:19,652 --> 00:14:22,279 They cleared you of any blame for what happened on that raid. 222 00:14:22,363 --> 00:14:24,865 - Isn't that good news? - I can't believe you've never seen this. 223 00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:27,410 We should make this a thing, like movie night or something. 224 00:14:27,493 --> 00:14:28,494 Works for me. 225 00:14:28,577 --> 00:14:30,913 Because of my mistake, six men didn't return from that raid. 226 00:14:30,997 --> 00:14:33,499 Seven. Lieutenant Zipp died this morning. 227 00:14:34,834 --> 00:14:38,504 Well, Dr. Sandler says you'll be out in a week. Isn't that wonderful? 228 00:14:40,047 --> 00:14:42,174 Wish I could say the same for George Zipp. 229 00:14:43,342 --> 00:14:47,346 Be patient, Ted. Nobody expects you to get over this immediately. 230 00:14:47,972 --> 00:14:50,808 Hey, Striker, how about a break? I'm gettin' tired. 231 00:14:52,268 --> 00:14:54,061 Yeah, all right. Take five. 232 00:14:55,229 --> 00:14:56,230 Thanks. 233 00:14:57,106 --> 00:15:00,276 I found a wonderful apartment for us. 234 00:15:00,651 --> 00:15:03,404 Has a brick fireplace and a cute little bedroom 235 00:15:03,487 --> 00:15:05,323 with mirrors on the ceiling, and... 236 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:07,783 Red Leader! Red Leader, I'm going down! 237 00:15:08,743 --> 00:15:09,827 Captain Geline. 238 00:15:11,912 --> 00:15:14,040 He thinks he's a pilot still fighting the war. 239 00:15:16,208 --> 00:15:17,918 I found the tunnel, Johnson! 240 00:15:44,862 --> 00:15:49,075 Directing your attention to those documents collectively marked Exhibit 12. 241 00:15:50,576 --> 00:15:52,453 On May 30th of last year, 242 00:15:52,536 --> 00:15:55,873 the Meriden Messenger received an e-mail through its website 243 00:15:55,956 --> 00:16:00,628 requesting any and all reporting on former resident William James Barber 244 00:16:00,711 --> 00:16:06,300 between the dates of December 1986 and January 1988. 245 00:16:06,384 --> 00:16:08,469 Copies were sent out to a Ms. Agnes Martin. 246 00:16:09,387 --> 00:16:12,598 - Do you recognize this address? - It's our home. 247 00:16:13,307 --> 00:16:15,226 And who's Agnes Martin? 248 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,271 She's an abstract painter. Laurie was an Art History major. 249 00:16:19,355 --> 00:16:20,523 A pseudonym then. 250 00:16:22,817 --> 00:16:25,069 Were you aware that she had done this? 251 00:16:26,195 --> 00:16:27,279 Not at the time. No. 252 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:29,365 And why do you believe she did? 253 00:16:31,283 --> 00:16:34,954 Probably wasn't very much online. Wasn't really big news when it happened. 254 00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:37,790 What wasn't very big news? 255 00:16:42,128 --> 00:16:43,129 The murder. 256 00:16:44,297 --> 00:16:45,715 Could you be more specific? 257 00:16:47,383 --> 00:16:48,759 The murder my father committed. 258 00:16:48,843 --> 00:16:52,805 And rape. He raped his 19-year-old victim as well. Is that right? 259 00:16:57,685 --> 00:16:58,686 Yes. 260 00:17:02,148 --> 00:17:05,568 Is it true that your wife had no knowledge of your father's history 261 00:17:05,651 --> 00:17:07,570 - prior to Jacob's arrest? - Yes. 262 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,365 In fact, she didn't even know the man existed. 263 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:14,201 That must've been quite a shock. 264 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,080 She took it in stride. We had bigger things to worry about. 265 00:17:18,497 --> 00:17:22,209 Still. To find out that your husband's father was none other than... 266 00:17:23,628 --> 00:17:27,632 What was the nickname they call him? Comes up in a few of these articles. 267 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:30,009 Bloody Billy. 268 00:17:30,926 --> 00:17:33,638 Right. Bloody Billy Barber. 269 00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:56,327 Hey, Billy. 270 00:17:56,410 --> 00:17:57,619 How you doing, Andy? 271 00:17:58,829 --> 00:18:00,873 What's the matter, kid? Afraid of me? 272 00:18:00,955 --> 00:18:02,500 - Billy, stop. - Look at me. 273 00:18:02,583 --> 00:18:04,042 - You're scaring him. - Shut up. 274 00:18:04,502 --> 00:18:06,878 I said look at me. 275 00:18:08,214 --> 00:18:11,050 You scared of me? Huh? 276 00:18:11,634 --> 00:18:12,885 He's shy, okay? 277 00:18:12,969 --> 00:18:14,804 - Look at me. - Stop. 278 00:18:14,887 --> 00:18:16,430 - You afraid of me, Andy? - Stop it. 279 00:18:16,514 --> 00:18:18,599 - Look at your old man. - That's it. We're going. 280 00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,935 - Look at me now! - Stop it! Billy, stop! 281 00:19:16,782 --> 00:19:17,783 Andy? 282 00:19:18,826 --> 00:19:19,827 Yeah? 283 00:19:21,412 --> 00:19:25,374 Is there a part of you, even a tiny part... 284 00:19:27,335 --> 00:19:28,836 thinks he might've done it? 285 00:19:34,592 --> 00:19:35,718 Of course not. 286 00:20:50,835 --> 00:20:53,379 - Mrs. McGrath? - Who's asking? 287 00:20:53,879 --> 00:20:56,841 I represent Jacob Barber. I was hoping I could speak to your son, Matthew. 288 00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,092 Jacob who? 289 00:20:59,385 --> 00:21:00,761 The murder in Cold Spring Park. 290 00:21:01,262 --> 00:21:04,598 Oh, right. The kid. You his lawyer? 291 00:21:05,266 --> 00:21:06,350 His father, actually. 292 00:21:07,476 --> 00:21:08,477 No shit. 293 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:10,396 Is Matthew here? 294 00:21:11,314 --> 00:21:13,691 Yeah, he's here. What's he got to do with it? 295 00:21:13,774 --> 00:21:16,569 No, not him. Leonard Patz. 296 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,281 All right. 297 00:21:26,078 --> 00:21:28,497 That's Amelia. Don't try to pet her, though. She's a bitch. 298 00:21:28,581 --> 00:21:29,665 Matt! 299 00:21:29,749 --> 00:21:32,168 He's in there with his girlfriend, doing God knows what. 300 00:21:32,251 --> 00:21:33,502 These freaking kids. 301 00:21:33,586 --> 00:21:36,172 Well, I don't have to tell you. I mean, look who I'm talking to. 302 00:21:36,255 --> 00:21:37,256 Matt! 303 00:21:37,632 --> 00:21:39,383 Hey, how'd you get our names, anyway? 304 00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,927 I thought sex victims are supposed to be confidential. 305 00:21:42,011 --> 00:21:43,888 I used to work with the DA's office. 306 00:21:44,764 --> 00:21:47,183 I'm just trying to get some information on Leonard Patz. That's all. 307 00:21:48,142 --> 00:21:49,977 You know what he did to Matt, right? 308 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,607 - He groped him in the library. - He groped him in the balls. 309 00:21:55,066 --> 00:21:57,068 - Matt! - What? 310 00:21:57,568 --> 00:21:59,320 I'm calling your goddamn name! 311 00:21:59,403 --> 00:22:01,656 There's a man here who wants to speak to ya! 312 00:22:11,916 --> 00:22:14,961 - You're Matthew McGrath? - Matt. Who are you? 313 00:22:15,044 --> 00:22:17,588 Oh, shit. Wait. I've seen you on TV. 314 00:22:18,005 --> 00:22:20,174 His kid's the one they think killed that kid at Archer. 315 00:22:20,257 --> 00:22:22,510 Listen, I just wanted to get some information on Leonard Patz. 316 00:22:22,593 --> 00:22:24,720 Maybe there's somewhere you and I can talk in private. 317 00:22:24,804 --> 00:22:26,180 Who says I wanna talk to you at all? 318 00:22:26,597 --> 00:22:28,557 - Hey, Matthew. - Shut up, Ma. 319 00:22:29,475 --> 00:22:31,644 Look, I don't know anything about it, okay? 320 00:22:31,727 --> 00:22:33,813 I don't know what you heard. But whatever it was, was wrong. 321 00:22:33,896 --> 00:22:34,939 Okay. 322 00:22:37,608 --> 00:22:40,486 So, what? You think Patz was the one who killed that kid in the park? 323 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,698 I don't know. Do you? 324 00:22:43,781 --> 00:22:45,658 Dude, I just said I don't wanna talk to you. 325 00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:48,786 Well, I'm gonna level with you, Matt. 326 00:22:49,787 --> 00:22:51,247 I don't really give a shit what you want. 327 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:54,875 I read that statement you gave to the police. I didn't buy it. 328 00:22:54,959 --> 00:22:57,878 Seeing as how they dropped the case, I'm guessing they didn't buy it either. 329 00:22:57,962 --> 00:23:01,424 You said Patz approached you in a library, chatted you up for about an hour, 330 00:23:01,507 --> 00:23:03,551 followed you into a bathroom, grabbed your crotch, 331 00:23:03,634 --> 00:23:05,761 and then took off. Is that right? 332 00:23:06,387 --> 00:23:07,471 Yeah, so? 333 00:23:07,555 --> 00:23:09,724 So, I'm supposed to believe a registered sex offender, on probation, 334 00:23:09,807 --> 00:23:12,101 is gonna risk ten years in prison to cop a feel on a kid 335 00:23:12,184 --> 00:23:14,312 that wouldn't think twice about beating the shit out of him? 336 00:23:14,395 --> 00:23:15,980 Come on. That doesn't track. 337 00:23:16,647 --> 00:23:20,609 The only thing I'd have a harder time believing is that you were in a library. 338 00:23:21,152 --> 00:23:24,405 What's your connection to Patz? You his dealer? Lover? 339 00:23:24,488 --> 00:23:25,489 Fuck you. 340 00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:28,534 Did Patz say anything about being in the park the morning of the murder? 341 00:23:30,202 --> 00:23:31,537 Don't look at her. Look at me. 342 00:23:32,246 --> 00:23:34,290 If you know something about the case against my son, 343 00:23:34,373 --> 00:23:36,459 you have to tell me. Now. 344 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,385 Ma, make him go. 345 00:23:46,469 --> 00:23:48,763 - My son's life is on the line, Matt. - You gotta get outta here. 346 00:23:48,846 --> 00:23:50,848 - I don't fucking know anything. - His life is on the line. You hear me? 347 00:23:50,931 --> 00:23:52,141 - You go to your room. - My son's freedom. 348 00:23:52,224 --> 00:23:53,893 - I don't know anything. - Give me any bit of information. 349 00:23:53,976 --> 00:23:55,311 - Get the fuck out! - Shut up! Shut your face! 350 00:23:55,394 --> 00:23:57,063 You get out of my house! I don't want you here! 351 00:23:57,146 --> 00:23:58,356 I need you to do the right thing. 352 00:23:58,439 --> 00:24:00,483 Get out. I don't know who the fuck you think you are. 353 00:24:04,612 --> 00:24:07,990 Just do the right thing, Matt. Your mother has my number. 354 00:25:37,955 --> 00:25:39,665 Sorry. We ran a little long. 355 00:25:39,749 --> 00:25:43,419 Really nice meeting you, Jacob. I look forward to us talking again next Tuesday. 356 00:25:43,502 --> 00:25:44,545 All right. 357 00:25:45,796 --> 00:25:49,383 He's a very good sport. He was really focused and he was... 358 00:25:51,218 --> 00:25:52,261 Is everything okay? 359 00:25:53,137 --> 00:25:56,265 - Yeah. I... Yeah. Sorry. - Okay. 360 00:25:56,349 --> 00:25:57,350 Don't worry about it. 361 00:25:58,851 --> 00:26:01,771 - We're going to be late for his tutor. - Yeah, okay. Of course. 362 00:26:03,648 --> 00:26:06,067 - You take care, okay? - Yeah. 363 00:28:22,662 --> 00:28:23,663 Honey? 364 00:28:43,391 --> 00:28:45,101 Yeah. Shoot him. Shoot him, right there. 365 00:28:45,184 --> 00:28:46,018 Yeah, shoot him. 366 00:28:46,102 --> 00:28:47,561 What the hell did I tell you abo... 367 00:28:50,356 --> 00:28:51,607 Sorry. 368 00:28:53,025 --> 00:28:55,528 This is Sarah from school. 369 00:28:56,654 --> 00:28:58,280 Right. Okay, hi. 370 00:28:59,073 --> 00:29:01,701 We met before. When you came to Archer that day. 371 00:29:01,784 --> 00:29:04,453 - Of course, of course. How are you? - I'm fine, thanks. 372 00:29:04,537 --> 00:29:05,788 Nice to see you. 373 00:29:08,499 --> 00:29:10,501 I was just... checking in. 374 00:29:12,712 --> 00:29:13,838 Where's Mom? 375 00:29:13,921 --> 00:29:17,216 I'm not sure. She said something about meeting someone from work. 376 00:29:17,758 --> 00:29:20,386 Okay. Well... 377 00:29:21,971 --> 00:29:23,014 have fun. 378 00:29:25,474 --> 00:29:26,642 Right. Sorry. 379 00:29:29,854 --> 00:29:31,814 All right. That guy right there. To the left. 380 00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:35,359 No, no, no. Yeah. Okay. 381 00:29:37,194 --> 00:29:38,654 - Welcome. - Hi, thank you. 382 00:29:39,113 --> 00:29:40,114 And one for me. 383 00:29:41,866 --> 00:29:43,159 Good evening. Come on in. 384 00:30:29,205 --> 00:30:30,331 Hi. 385 00:30:32,041 --> 00:30:33,209 Yeah, I know. 386 00:30:34,585 --> 00:30:36,253 Cara asked me to dinner. 387 00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:40,216 Yeah, I thought so too. 388 00:30:43,219 --> 00:30:44,470 I don't know. 389 00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:48,683 Maybe 8:00, 8:30. 390 00:30:50,726 --> 00:30:52,436 Okay. You too. 391 00:30:58,985 --> 00:30:59,986 Salad and fries up. 392 00:31:05,366 --> 00:31:07,868 You didn't say if you wanted the dressing mixed in or on the side, 393 00:31:07,952 --> 00:31:09,245 so I just put it on the side. 394 00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:10,746 - Thank you. - Enjoy. 395 00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:27,680 Excuse me. 396 00:31:29,348 --> 00:31:30,558 I'm sorry. Excuse me. 397 00:31:35,438 --> 00:31:37,106 Are you using that sugar? 398 00:31:39,483 --> 00:31:40,484 Help yourself. 399 00:31:45,698 --> 00:31:47,074 Is their salad any good? 400 00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:52,038 Actually, yeah. Better than I thought. 401 00:31:53,664 --> 00:31:55,041 Maybe I'll give it a try. 402 00:31:57,418 --> 00:32:02,048 It's funny. I've driven by here 100 times, but I've never been inside one of these. 403 00:32:03,758 --> 00:32:06,135 They're pretty much the same all over. 404 00:32:08,429 --> 00:32:09,430 I like it. 405 00:32:11,098 --> 00:32:12,099 Thank you. 406 00:32:13,434 --> 00:32:16,270 - You're reading Manhattan Beach? - Just starting it. 407 00:32:16,771 --> 00:32:19,523 I read it last year for my book club. It's wonderful. 408 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:23,194 I didn't love her last one, so I was pretty skeptical. 409 00:32:24,028 --> 00:32:25,529 But it's very different. 410 00:32:26,364 --> 00:32:27,657 I'm Laurie, by the way. 411 00:32:28,991 --> 00:32:31,744 - Jeanine. Nice to meet you. - You too. 412 00:32:45,424 --> 00:32:48,511 I'll have the same salad she ordered. Dressing on the side. 413 00:32:48,594 --> 00:32:50,680 Coming up. French fries too? 414 00:32:51,722 --> 00:32:54,934 No, I'd better not. They're my weakness. 415 00:32:57,186 --> 00:33:00,856 You can have the rest of mine if you want. I really only wanted a few. 416 00:33:02,274 --> 00:33:04,443 - Are you sure? - Absolutely. 417 00:33:16,205 --> 00:33:17,498 Excuse me. 418 00:33:20,042 --> 00:33:22,003 Would you like to... 419 00:33:24,922 --> 00:33:26,048 Sure. 420 00:33:38,102 --> 00:33:39,562 She didn't wanna stay for dinner? 421 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,982 Her mom wanted her back home. 422 00:33:44,775 --> 00:33:45,985 She seemed nice. 423 00:33:46,652 --> 00:33:49,530 Mm-hmm. She's a little weird though. 424 00:33:51,324 --> 00:33:52,450 Weird? 425 00:33:54,118 --> 00:33:55,661 Yeah. Like artsy, you know? 426 00:33:57,038 --> 00:34:00,124 A lot of kids give her crap for it sometimes. 427 00:34:00,958 --> 00:34:02,543 Well, it's nice she came to see you. 428 00:34:03,836 --> 00:34:07,923 Yeah. We were just texting, and she asked me what I do most days, 429 00:34:08,007 --> 00:34:09,925 and I said, "Nothing much," 430 00:34:10,009 --> 00:34:13,262 so she said she can come over, hang out. 431 00:34:17,266 --> 00:34:19,477 But I think she just feels sorry for me. 432 00:34:22,104 --> 00:34:23,773 Maybe she just likes you. 433 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:28,152 I think it's more like she feels guilty or... 434 00:34:28,235 --> 00:34:29,612 What do you mean, guilty? 435 00:34:30,529 --> 00:34:32,657 She said Derek was saying some stuff about me to her 436 00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:34,533 and she just feels bad about it. 437 00:34:34,992 --> 00:34:36,952 For believing him, whatever. 438 00:34:38,913 --> 00:34:40,498 She doesn't believe him now though? 439 00:34:41,082 --> 00:34:43,334 I guess not, if she came over. 440 00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:48,005 But he's been into her forever. 441 00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:51,425 Who, Derek? 442 00:34:51,508 --> 00:34:54,178 Yeah. He's, like, obsessed with her. 443 00:34:59,892 --> 00:35:02,019 I think she thinks maybe he did it. 444 00:35:04,271 --> 00:35:07,400 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What'd you just say? 445 00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:13,572 She thinks he might have done it. But she didn't say that, you know. 446 00:35:13,656 --> 00:35:16,742 She just said she heard the cops were at school and had talked to him. 447 00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:20,121 - They called in his mom too. - That doesn't mean he's a suspect. 448 00:35:20,204 --> 00:35:23,207 I know, but that's what she thinks it was. 449 00:35:25,876 --> 00:35:29,630 I don't know. Maybe she just wants to make me feel better. 450 00:35:38,555 --> 00:35:42,143 Me? No. I could barely draw a stick figure. 451 00:35:43,144 --> 00:35:44,478 I just loved it. 452 00:35:45,146 --> 00:35:49,066 I swear I spent half my junior year abroad just in the Musée d'Orsay. 453 00:35:49,984 --> 00:35:51,152 The Water Lilies. 454 00:35:52,987 --> 00:35:55,406 I know it's a total cliché to love impressionism, 455 00:35:55,489 --> 00:36:00,786 but there's this... unabashed emotionality to it 456 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:02,246 that is just so... 457 00:36:03,414 --> 00:36:07,668 I don't know. Brave is probably the wrong word, but... 458 00:36:08,294 --> 00:36:11,839 - Do you know what I mean? - I think I do, yes. 459 00:36:12,256 --> 00:36:13,674 Sorry, I'm rambling. 460 00:36:13,758 --> 00:36:15,509 It's fine, really. 461 00:36:16,385 --> 00:36:19,221 It's like I saw this poster the other day of a Bonnard... 462 00:36:28,481 --> 00:36:29,482 Laurie? 463 00:36:30,691 --> 00:36:32,401 I apologize. I... 464 00:36:37,615 --> 00:36:39,700 My family's been going through a hard time. 465 00:36:42,244 --> 00:36:44,080 Something terrible's happened and... 466 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:48,125 the friends I would usually talk to, they aren't... 467 00:36:50,878 --> 00:36:52,338 Well, they've given up on us. 468 00:36:55,591 --> 00:37:00,096 My husband says I shouldn't care. But he's never really had friends. 469 00:37:02,431 --> 00:37:03,891 Not real ones. 470 00:37:05,267 --> 00:37:08,938 Is that strange? I never really thought about it until recently. 471 00:37:10,314 --> 00:37:13,484 I mean, he's had casual friends, people in his life, 472 00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:17,196 but no one he was truly close to, other than me. 473 00:37:19,448 --> 00:37:21,367 Maybe I liked that I was the only one. 474 00:37:22,868 --> 00:37:24,829 Although even with me, he... 475 00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:30,918 I'm sorry. You just... 476 00:37:31,294 --> 00:37:33,921 You just wanted a quiet dinner and to read your book. 477 00:37:34,672 --> 00:37:35,798 Please. 478 00:37:36,924 --> 00:37:38,884 I understand. It's okay. 479 00:37:42,263 --> 00:37:45,182 You probably heard about the boy who was killed in Newton. 480 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,186 Well, my son, he... 481 00:37:51,439 --> 00:37:52,565 I know. 482 00:37:54,442 --> 00:37:55,526 I'm sorry. 483 00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:58,946 I've been trying to find a way to tell you without making this uncomfortable. 484 00:37:59,030 --> 00:38:00,865 I should have said something sooner. 485 00:38:01,449 --> 00:38:02,616 You knew. 486 00:38:03,659 --> 00:38:08,414 To be honest, I was hoping to speak with you about the case. 487 00:38:08,497 --> 00:38:10,082 If you'd be open to that. 488 00:38:13,628 --> 00:38:14,920 I am a writer. 489 00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:19,216 I'm doing a freelance piece for the Globe Sunday magazine. 490 00:38:19,759 --> 00:38:22,845 - No. - Laurie, I didn't mean to... 491 00:38:22,928 --> 00:38:24,388 I need to go. 492 00:38:27,099 --> 00:38:29,602 Is there anything you said that you'd like kept off-the-record? 493 00:38:29,685 --> 00:38:31,437 What? I don't... 494 00:38:31,979 --> 00:38:33,147 Did you follow me here? 495 00:38:34,065 --> 00:38:35,358 Did you follow me here? 496 00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:38,569 Please. Just give me a few minutes to explain. 497 00:39:10,434 --> 00:39:12,812 Hi. How was dinner? 498 00:39:14,188 --> 00:39:15,189 Good. 499 00:39:19,819 --> 00:39:22,530 I might have made some progress today on the Patz front. 500 00:39:23,531 --> 00:39:25,950 Yeah. I talked to this kid who's mixed up with him. 501 00:39:26,033 --> 00:39:27,368 I think he's hiding something. 502 00:39:30,621 --> 00:39:31,956 You okay? 503 00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:35,918 I'm just tired. 504 00:39:38,004 --> 00:39:41,173 Okay. I'm gonna take out this recycling. I'll be up in a minute. 505 00:39:42,466 --> 00:39:43,467 Okay. 506 00:40:09,243 --> 00:40:10,328 Hey. 507 00:40:11,787 --> 00:40:14,457 Mom and I are gonna hit the hay. You should probably do the same. 508 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,751 All right. Good night. 509 00:40:17,126 --> 00:40:18,252 What are you watching? 510 00:40:19,712 --> 00:40:21,005 Skateboarding fails. 511 00:40:22,798 --> 00:40:26,260 High comedy. Okay. Don't stay up too late. 512 00:40:26,677 --> 00:40:27,678 Okay. 513 00:40:40,274 --> 00:40:43,819 Just kind of a sense of normalcy, in a way. 514 00:40:44,654 --> 00:40:46,989 I mean, it's not like he ever had girls over before, 515 00:40:47,073 --> 00:40:49,075 but you know what I mean. 516 00:40:51,118 --> 00:40:52,495 So dinner was nice? 517 00:40:53,913 --> 00:40:58,209 Good. Good, I'm glad. You deserve it. 518 00:41:43,838 --> 00:41:47,049 Hey, guys. Here's a new one I just wrote. I hope you like it. 519 00:41:48,342 --> 00:41:52,471 Hold my hand 520 00:41:58,227 --> 00:42:00,563 I'm gonna check in again with Duffy tomorrow. 521 00:42:01,272 --> 00:42:04,692 Sarah told Jacob she saw the police at school questioning Derek. 522 00:42:05,526 --> 00:42:06,527 About what? 523 00:42:06,986 --> 00:42:11,365 I don't know. Sarah seems to think that he might be a suspect. 524 00:42:11,449 --> 00:42:12,450 Derek? 525 00:42:13,034 --> 00:42:15,244 Yeah. Anything's possible. 526 00:42:20,124 --> 00:42:21,125 What? 527 00:42:23,002 --> 00:42:24,920 That's what everyone says about Jacob. 528 00:42:26,297 --> 00:42:29,842 Well, that's why we can't leave his fate up to the cops and a courtroom. 529 00:42:29,925 --> 00:42:31,886 We gotta get answers for ourselves. 530 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,096 Isn't that Joanna's job? 531 00:42:36,724 --> 00:42:39,352 Joanna's a great lawyer, but lawyers have boundaries. 532 00:42:39,935 --> 00:42:41,687 I don't. Not anymore. 533 00:42:43,147 --> 00:42:45,775 My only job now is trying to protect our son. 534 00:42:48,903 --> 00:42:50,237 Whatever it takes. 535 00:42:54,408 --> 00:42:56,952 "The parents of Ms. Rouse remained inconsolable, 536 00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:00,623 even as a verdict of life without parole was delivered. 537 00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:03,668 Also in court was William Barber's wife, Marianne, 538 00:43:03,751 --> 00:43:07,296 and the couple's 5-year-old son, Andrew. 539 00:43:07,922 --> 00:43:12,009 Throughout the proceedings, the defendant refused to display any remorse whatsoever. 540 00:43:12,093 --> 00:43:16,514 'If looks could kill, ' one of the jurors later commented." 541 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,602 Must've been terrifying, growing up with a father like that. 542 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,898 I didn't have any contact with him. Just once after the trial. That's it. 543 00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:30,444 Still. My father lost his hair in his 20s. 544 00:43:31,237 --> 00:43:34,991 I know I spent my teens wondering when I was gonna lose mine. 545 00:43:38,369 --> 00:43:41,539 Are you telling me you didn't grow up scared... 546 00:43:42,915 --> 00:43:47,461 that, deep inside, there might be some part of him in you? 547 00:43:50,214 --> 00:43:55,511 Surely, it must have occurred to you at certain pivotal moments. 548 00:43:57,013 --> 00:43:58,514 The arrival of a child. 549 00:44:00,683 --> 00:44:02,435 Watching your little boy grow. 550 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,067 Privately obsessing over even his most innocent behaviors. 551 00:44:11,485 --> 00:44:13,487 Always on the lookout for any indication 552 00:44:13,571 --> 00:44:17,116 that your father's blood might run in his veins. 553 00:44:19,035 --> 00:44:21,746 Then, lo and behold, he's implicated in a violent crime. 554 00:44:22,246 --> 00:44:24,165 Stabbing, no less. 555 00:44:25,541 --> 00:44:28,294 Your worst fears finally realized. 556 00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:34,216 No, it's just the opposite. 557 00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:38,596 When you live with what I've lived with for so long... 558 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,726 you look at your kid through that lens 1000 times. 559 00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:45,478 You've made your determination. 560 00:44:50,358 --> 00:44:53,361 I knew Jacob wasn't a murderer the way I knew I wasn't. 561 00:44:55,279 --> 00:44:56,739 If you say so. 562 00:44:58,449 --> 00:45:00,826 But you had 14 years to come to that conclusion. 563 00:45:02,536 --> 00:45:04,372 Laurie, on the other hand... 564 00:45:05,706 --> 00:45:07,792 Laurie was a different story, wasn't she? 565 00:45:10,753 --> 00:45:14,006 Okay, buddy. This won't take too long, but just try to stay still, all right? 566 00:45:15,091 --> 00:45:19,178 Is it okay if I'm nervous? Will I, like... Will they see it in my brain? 567 00:45:20,388 --> 00:45:22,723 It's totally fine. We can't read your thoughts. 568 00:45:24,433 --> 00:45:25,601 Just relax, okay? 569 00:45:29,981 --> 00:45:34,610 So this will take about half an hour, so why don't we just wait in my office? 570 00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:42,994 So, we should probably discuss the DNA test. 571 00:45:43,077 --> 00:45:45,246 I've already gotten what I need from Jacob. 572 00:45:45,329 --> 00:45:48,082 Andy, I'm gonna need a sample from you as well. 573 00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:50,501 You're testing for the murder gene? 574 00:45:50,584 --> 00:45:51,794 It's not as simple as that. 575 00:45:51,877 --> 00:45:54,880 And that's just a coy phrase used to grab some headlines. 576 00:45:54,964 --> 00:45:56,090 That said, 577 00:45:56,173 --> 00:45:59,760 I think Joanna was wise to have you pursue these results, just in case. 578 00:46:00,469 --> 00:46:01,637 I don't understand. 579 00:46:01,721 --> 00:46:05,850 Well, if Jacob is found guilty, and I'm saying if, 580 00:46:06,475 --> 00:46:10,187 then you may wanna present genetic evidence as mitigation. 581 00:46:10,688 --> 00:46:11,981 Mitigation? 582 00:46:12,732 --> 00:46:15,318 - To get it reduced to second. Right? - Correct. 583 00:46:15,401 --> 00:46:17,403 First degree murder is mandatory life without parole. 584 00:46:17,486 --> 00:46:20,156 Second degree, he becomes eligible in 20 years. 585 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,658 He'd only be 35. He'd have his whole life in front of him. 586 00:46:23,784 --> 00:46:27,955 - Yeah, what's left of it. - Again, if. Only if. 587 00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:48,100 So, we should probably talk about your father. 588 00:46:49,226 --> 00:46:50,227 What about him? 589 00:46:50,311 --> 00:46:53,064 Well, obviously, I'm gonna need a swab from him as well. 590 00:46:53,564 --> 00:46:56,776 Go ahead. He's in Northern Prison in Somers, Connecticut. 591 00:46:56,859 --> 00:46:59,153 I know. I tried to visit him there. 592 00:47:00,196 --> 00:47:04,075 - You did? - I did. And there's an issue. 593 00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:08,579 - What kind of issue? - He wouldn't agree to the test. 594 00:47:09,038 --> 00:47:10,331 What do you mean? 595 00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:13,292 He says you have to ask. 596 00:47:14,251 --> 00:47:15,252 Me? 597 00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:19,382 - He doesn't know me. - Apparently he wants to change that. 598 00:47:23,344 --> 00:47:24,470 You gotta be kidding. 599 00:47:24,553 --> 00:47:26,889 Andy, I'm sorry, but we need his cooperation to... 600 00:47:26,973 --> 00:47:28,474 Tell him he can fuck off. 601 00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:37,191 Sorry. 602 00:47:42,113 --> 00:47:44,031 I don't think I can do that. I can't. 603 00:47:44,115 --> 00:47:45,199 You can. 604 00:47:48,035 --> 00:47:49,036 He'll go. 605 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,540 You'll do it for Jacob. 606 00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:56,961 It's like you said. Whatever it takes.