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GATES: I'm
Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

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Welcome to
"Finding Your Roots."

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In this episode, we'll
meet actor Kate Burton

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and media mogul
Barry Diller,

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two people whose
families left them in the

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dark about their family trees.

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BURTON: For some reason,
nobody talked about it,

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which is interesting.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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BURTON: Like, why wouldn't
they talk about it?

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DILLER: It's just strange
that this late in my life,

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I would learn something so
central to my mother's life.

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GATES: Yeah.
DILLER: Shocking.

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GATES: To uncover
their roots,

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we've used every
tool available.

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Genealogists comb through
paper trails stretching

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back hundreds of years.

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BURTON: Oh, my God,
I'm amazed.

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GATES: While DNA experts
utilize the latest advances

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in genetic analysis
to reveal secrets that

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have lain hidden
for generations.

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DILLER: What?

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I've known
nothing of any of this.

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GATES: And we've
compiled it all into a

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Book of Life, a record
of all of our discoveries.

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BURTON: That's
so thrilling.

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DILLER: Do I get
to have this?

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GATES: This is yours.
DILLER: What a gift.

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GATES: And a window
into the hidden past.

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BURTON: Oh, my goodness.

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So they came to
the United States.

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That is incredible,
I'd never known that.

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DILLER: If everybody actually
told the truthful stories,

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how different it would be.

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GATES: My two guests were
both raised in families

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that reinvented themselves,

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leaving their roots behind.

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In this episode,
they're going to recover

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what was
lost along the way,

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hearing stories about women
and men who overcame enormous

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odds to lay the groundwork
for their success.

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{\an8}GATES: Kate Burton is
living proof that your

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{\an8}genes are only
part of your destiny.

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{\an8}The child of two actors,
Kate is following in her

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{\an8}parents' footsteps,
but carving her own path,

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{\an8}because she knows how
challenging living in

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{\an8}the limelight can be.

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Kate's parents,
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Richard Burton,

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both grew up in coal
mining towns in Wales.

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They married young, and
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her father was an
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He'd soon fall in
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Elizabeth Taylor, forcing
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marriage collapse
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Yet Kate not
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she emerged
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with admiration
for her father's genius

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and compassion
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BURTON: He was
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He was an alcoholic.

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BURTON: And dealt with
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but there you know, you
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and then there's like dark,
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getting through, it
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had issues that were
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BURTON: My stepdad
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alcoholism to
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but what I really understood
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your parents can break up,
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GATES: Kate, of course,
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After attending a
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New York City, she went
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became the first person in
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with a cool head
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even in the face of
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BURTON: My dad
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Very not happy about it.

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And he said,
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You're the only one.

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You're the first one to go to
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"I know, I know."

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and if I don't get in,
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BURTON: "I'll say forget it.

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I'm not like one of these
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walk around
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BURTON: So I applied to three
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one in the UK.

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I got into two in the
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And he, he was
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I was choosing to
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BURTON: He said, "Why
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How will you, how will
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I said, "Dad, listen
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"Like, have you not noticed?
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BURTON: So I said,
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or something you feel like
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can you just transfer
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I'm like, "Dad, I don't
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to get into Yale Law School."

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GATES: Kate would never
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She was cast in a Broadway
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at Yale, and she
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she's built a
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appearing in dozens of
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and television shows,

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including memorable turns
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what she loves in the
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avoiding the turmoil
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BURTON: I always
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BURTON: Growing up with
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of my four parents, um,
I saw huge fame very,

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very close up.

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BURTON: And I've never aspired,
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to play these
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BURTON: But it's a
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being in the right
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BURTON: And I was able to
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to get the part.

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And getting the part, as
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I mean, every time you do,
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GATES: My second
guest is Barry Diller,

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one of the most influential
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of American entertainment.

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Barry famously worked his
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starting with a job
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William Morris
talent agency.

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Raised in Beverly Hills,

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the child of a
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Barry was always
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a job of any kind.

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DILLER: I hated school.

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I very rarely went
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DILLER: And it was
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that I would never work.

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DILLER: And there was no
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DILLER: So, for a
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DILLER: Just
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Who's going to pay
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And I'd heard about the
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And so one of my best friends'
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DILLER: Who, at that time,
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DILLER: Yeah, he was
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DILLER: So I called him.

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"I need your help."

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He said, "What can
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And I said, "I want to go
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"Oh, that's easy.

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Can I go back to
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Barry, an ambition that
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where he'd end up
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and in 1974, when
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he took over Paramount,
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prestigious studios.

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DILLER: No one from
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And I was very clearly
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GATES: What was the
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when you knew you were
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DILLER: Well, we started
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than buying packages and
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"Looking for Mr. Goodbar."

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GATES: Oh, yeah.

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DILLER: Which was
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DILLER: And then
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"Saturday Night Fever."

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DILLER: And right after
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DILLER: Literally this
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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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DILLER: ...one
after the other...

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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DILLER: ...out of this
development process.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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DILLER: So I knew it was good,
but thought it would never

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come to fruition,
at least for me,

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because they'd throw
me out before then.

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But luckily, they didn't.

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GATES: Paramount would reap
the rewards of that decision.

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Under Barry's leadership,
the studio enjoyed a sustained

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period of phenomenal success.

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And Barry, who would
eventually go on to build

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a corporate empire of
his own, became an icon,

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much to the surprise of those
who'd watched him grow up.

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GATES: What did
your parents think?

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(laughing).

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DILLER: You mean
as I became successful?

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GATES: Yes.

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DILLER: I think it
was like... a space alien.

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I think they,
I think they thought,

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"How in God's name
did this happen?"

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There was no show, sign.

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You could point to nothing
that would have predicted this.

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But they were very
happy for me, for sure.

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I mean it was just like,

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it was both
happiness and wonderment.

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How did,
how did this happen?

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GATES: While my guests may
seem different on the surface,

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actually, they
have a great deal in common.

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Both grew up in comfort,
thanks to ancestors who did not.

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And both came to me hoping
to explore the stories

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about those ancestors.

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I started with Kate Burton
and with her father,

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Richard, with whom she shares
much more than a profession.

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BURTON: I think I have a
lot of my father's brio.

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GATES: Uh-huh.

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BURTON: And I think I
definitely have some of his,

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you know, sort of
grittiness that I think

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sort of came quite
naturally to him.

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But I had a very
different childhood.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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BURTON: He was duking it
out from the age of a very

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young age, and I, I was
allowed to, to become an adult

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in a more holistic way.

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GATES: As we began to
research her father's

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childhood, it was easy
to see what Kate meant.

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{\an8}Richard suffered a great
deal from a very young age.

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{\an8}His mother died before
he was even two years old,

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{\an8}and he was raised largely
by one of his older sisters

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because his father,
a coal miner,

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was struggling mightily
to make ends meet.

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What's it like to see that,
to think of your grandfather

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doing that for a living?

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BURTON: I think the um,
the reality of what it was

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to be a coal miner
is mind-bending.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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BURTON: I mean,
it was such a brutal job.

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GATES: Mm.

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BURTON: My mother spoke
more about the experience

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of growing up in a coal
mining community and what,

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you know just things
like they took their baths.

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They came home
covered in soot...

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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BURTON: ...and they were
immediately went to take a bath.

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Their clothes
were taken off them,

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left outside to soak.

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I mean there was
such a, the mother,

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the wives and mothers were,
they had a routine.

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That was the only way,
because they couldn't

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come into the house...

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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BURTON: ...with their
work clothes on.

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GATES: Mm-mm.

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BURTON: But it is,
I've never seen these.

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I've seen pictures
of coal miners,

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but I've never seen these.

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I mean, that is really...

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GATES: Coal had been the
dominant industry in Wales

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since the mid-1800s,
and Kate's grandfather was

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not her first ancestor
to work in the mines.

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Her great-grandfather,
Thomas Jenkins,

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was mining by the time
he was 13 years old.

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And tragically, the
job would leave him

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in terrible straits.

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BURTON: Thomas Jenkins,
age 47, profession,

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coal miner,
cause of death,

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fracture of spine with
displacement three years.

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GATES: Mm.
BURTON: Three years?

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GATES: Yeah, that he
suffered three years.

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BURTON: Oh, God.

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GATES: Did you have
any idea that your

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great-grandfather
had died...

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BURTON: No.
GATES: ...so young?

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BURTON: No.
So young.

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GATES: And he was
injured in the mine,

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and then suffered three
years from the injury.

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BURTON: Oh, God.
How awful.

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Wow, that's incredible.

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GATES: This is like a page
out of a Dickens novel.

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BURTON: Yeah, well, it is.

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GATES: You know?
BURTON: It is, completely.

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GATES: This story was
about to take a twist that

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Dickens himself
might have enjoyed.

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Records show that Kate's
great-grandfather was born

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in Pontrhydyfen,
a village in South Wales,

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and that he was one
of at least nine children,

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many of whom would
end up in the mines.

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But when we focused
on two of his siblings,

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a pair of brothers
named John and David,

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we found ourselves
in a most unexpected place.

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BURTON: "The receipt
whereof is hereby acknowledged

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of all the following
described tracts,

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parcels, and lots
lying and being situated

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in the original town
of Roslyn, county of Kititas..."

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GATES: Kititas.
BURTON: Kititas.

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GATES: Uh-huh.

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BURTON: "...and
Territory of Washington."

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GATES: Territory of Washington.

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You have any idea
what's going on there?

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BURTON: No.

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GATES: This is a deed
of sale between your

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great-granduncles,
John and David Jenkins...

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BURTON: Right.

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GATES: ...in Washington
Territory in the

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United States of America.

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BURTON: Oh, my God.

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Oh, my goodness.

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That's incredible.

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GATES: Have you...
BURTON: Wow.

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GATES: ...ever heard
anything about that?

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BURTON: No, I never have.
That's mind-bending.

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GATES: We don't know when
John and David left for

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the United States.

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Their immigration
records have been lost.

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{\an8}But we do know that by 1887,
the two had settled

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{\an8}in Roslyn, Washington, about
80 miles east of Seattle.

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And they almost certainly
came to America seeking a better

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life for themselves.

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BURTON: Yeah, yeah.

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GATES: And let's see what
they did when they got here.

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BURTON: Okay.

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GATES: Would you
please turn the page?

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BURTON: Okay.

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This is a newspaper
article published in the

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"East Washingtonian,"
June 2nd, 1888, about a

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month and a half after
the deed we just showed you.

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Would you please read
the transcribed section

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in that white box?

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BURTON: "Roslyn is
growing wonderfully.

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The grass is green, weather
fine, and flowers blooming.

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There are 2,000
inhabitants, two churches,

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two schools.

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The Northern Pacific
Coal Company have on

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their payroll 650 men.

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The mining company is opening
a new mine above the town,

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which will require a large
number of additional hands."

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Oh my gosh.

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GATES: Roslyn...
BURTON: Just can't stay away.

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They can't stay away.

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GATES: And John and David
worked in the mines.

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BURTON: Oh my good, well,
that's what they knew how to do.

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GATES: That's a long way
to go to stay in the mines.

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BURTON: Yeah.
That's amazing, wow.

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GATES: Kate's relatives
may have been working a

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familiar job, but there
was a significant difference.

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In Roslyn, miners made
about $18 per week.

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Back in Wales, they made
the equivalent of about

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$4 for the same labor.

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BURTON: Wow,
that's amazing.

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I mean, there you go.

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That's why the...

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GATES: There you go.

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BURTON: ...America,
why people moved here.

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GATES: Can you imagine
hearing that you could

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make $18 a week
instead of $4?

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BOTH: $4.
BURTON: Four dollars.

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GATES: You're like, "I
think I'm out of here."

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BURTON: Yeah, I think,
"I got to go."

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00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:39,011
GATES: Yeah.

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BURTON: That's amazing,
that's amazing.

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GATES: Even though John
and David were doing better

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in their new home, they
still faced immense challenges.

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In 1888, Roslyn
burned to the ground,

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and the brothers likely
lost everything they owned.

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John disappears from
the paper trail just a

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few years later, but
David pressed on and prospered.

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BURTON: "David M. Jenkins,

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head of household,
age 56,

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citizenship naturalized,
occupation farmer,

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ownership of home,
owns farm.

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Rachel, wife, age 52,
Olive, daughter, age 18,

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Helena, daughter, age 15,
Celia, daughter, age 22."

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GATES: There's David
and his family in 1910.

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David owned his own farm.

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BURTON: Wow.

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GATES: And he was a
naturalized US citizen

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just 20 years after
he arrived from Wales.

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BURTON: Mm.
GATES: He owned a farm.

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BURTON: Mm, got
out of the mine.

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GATES: How does it
feel to see that?

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BURTON: That's great.

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I mean, it's great because
he probably did something

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that was going to extend his,

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he was going to
have a better life.

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He was going to extend his
life, is not doing that...

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GATES: Yeah.

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BURTON: ...terrible,
terrible work.

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GATES: As it turns out,
David was not the only

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member of his family to
take a chance on America.

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By 1880, his sister
Cecilia was raising her

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family in Pennsylvania,
and his brother William,

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who was working as a miner
in Wales when he was

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11 years old, had
crossed the Atlantic and

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was living with
his family in Illinois.

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BURTON: Oh my goodness.

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GATES: What do you think
your father would've made

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of all this?

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BURTON: I think it would
have made him so happy to

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think that they got out of
the life of you are born,

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you hit the age of 11, you
start working in the coal mines.

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GATES: Right.

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BURTON: I think he would
have been very happy that

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that mold had been broken,

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that that pattern
had been broken,

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which is, let's
face it, what he did.

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GATES: Sure.

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BURTON: He broke the pattern,
and so I think he would've been,

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he would've been very
gratified by that.

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GATES: Does learning all
this change the way you

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see yourself or help you
understand yourself better,

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more fully?

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BURTON: Yes, I've always
had an adventurous spirit.

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GATES: Right.

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BURTON: And it is amazing
to think that, you know,

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about my parents and how
adventurous they were,

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how adventurous Dad was,
and you know,

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that that spirit comes
from your heritage.

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GATES: Much like Kate Burton,
Barry Diller was about to

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see that he has a
stronger connection to his

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father's roots than
he'd ever imagined.

489
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And this discovery would
be particularly surprising

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because Barry told me that
he and his father had

491
00:22:44,497 --> 00:22:49,001
very little in common,
especially when it came to work.

492
00:22:51,037 --> 00:22:54,607
DILLER: Somebody asked me,
"What work did he actually do?"

493
00:22:55,007 --> 00:23:00,645
He was in the building business
and related things,

494
00:23:00,646 --> 00:23:04,983
and they said,
"No, no, what did he do?"

495
00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:07,219
And I said,
"Screw if I know."

496
00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:11,323
He went to the office
maybe three, four hours a day.

497
00:23:11,324 --> 00:23:13,692
GATES: Mm.
DILLER: I know he had a desk.

498
00:23:13,693 --> 00:23:15,827
(laughs).

499
00:23:15,828 --> 00:23:17,696
He never really
talked about it.

500
00:23:17,697 --> 00:23:20,766
I mean, I knew what
business world they were in,

501
00:23:20,767 --> 00:23:24,503
and I knew some of the
things, but he, he,

502
00:23:24,504 --> 00:23:26,873
he was not ambitious.

503
00:23:28,441 --> 00:23:31,409
GATES: While his father
may have lacked ambition,

504
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,513
moving back just one
generation, we came to

505
00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:37,950
a man who most
decidedly did not.

506
00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:41,787
Barry's grandfather,
Bernard Diller,

507
00:23:41,788 --> 00:23:46,159
was an entrepreneur, very
much in Barry's own mold.

508
00:23:47,226 --> 00:23:49,829
Yet Bernard died
before Barry was born,

509
00:23:50,496 --> 00:23:54,133
and little of his story
had been passed down.

510
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,435
So we set out to
reconstruct it,

511
00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,704
starting with an
advertisement that was placed

512
00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:03,709
in a San Francisco
newspaper in 1935.

513
00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:07,747
DILLER: Oh my God.

514
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,681
I love that.

515
00:24:09,682 --> 00:24:12,884
GATES: Your grandfather
opened an all-kosher store

516
00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:15,821
called Diller's Market,
and there it is.

517
00:24:15,822 --> 00:24:17,289
Have you ever seen a
picture of it before?

518
00:24:17,290 --> 00:24:18,790
DILLER: Of course not.

519
00:24:18,791 --> 00:24:21,092
GATES: And it was truly
a family business.

520
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:22,794
Did your father ever
talk much about his time

521
00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,329
working for his father?

522
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,665
DILLER: Yes, this
is what I do know.

523
00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,902
He worked in his
father's store and

524
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,738
hated every second of it.

525
00:24:33,739 --> 00:24:35,373
GATES: Mm-hmm.

526
00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:37,108
DILLER: Because it was,
I gather from him,

527
00:24:37,109 --> 00:24:39,244
really hard work.

528
00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:40,846
GATES: Mm-hmm.

529
00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:42,647
DILLER: And that explains
why he never really

530
00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:43,849
wanted to work again.

531
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:45,918
(laughs).

532
00:24:46,118 --> 00:24:48,119
GATES: As we pored over
the records that Barry's

533
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,657
grandfather left behind,
we discovered that Bernard

534
00:24:52,658 --> 00:24:55,261
did much more
than run a market.

535
00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:58,363
He was also deeply
involved in the life of

536
00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:00,633
his adopted hometown.

537
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,569
DILLER: "Bernard Diller
rose to business success

538
00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:07,005
through his own efforts.

539
00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:08,907
He came to
San Francisco in 1903,

540
00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:12,878
establishing a market in the
Orthodox community of the city.

541
00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:16,648
From then, he won not only
their patronage but their

542
00:25:16,649 --> 00:25:20,285
affection and esteem,
being lionized by many

543
00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:23,021
as virtually the
mayor of San Francisco's

544
00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,090
Orthodox Section.

545
00:25:25,091 --> 00:25:27,492
A member and director
of a variety of Jewish

546
00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:30,161
organizations, he was
constantly sought out

547
00:25:30,162 --> 00:25:32,899
for counsel
and benefactions."

548
00:25:33,633 --> 00:25:39,104
Wow. I did know that he
was a very respected person

549
00:25:39,105 --> 00:25:40,639
in his community.

550
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,140
GATES: Mm-hmm.

551
00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:45,911
DILLER: Uh, and, but
that's really all I know.

552
00:25:45,912 --> 00:25:47,646
This is impressive.

553
00:25:47,647 --> 00:25:49,014
GATES: It was.

554
00:25:49,015 --> 00:25:51,717
DILLER: Wow, this
connects me to my roots.

555
00:25:52,919 --> 00:25:55,287
GATES: Barry wondered how
his grandfather had ended up

556
00:25:55,288 --> 00:25:58,790
in San Francisco
in the first place.

557
00:25:58,791 --> 00:26:00,926
The answer seems to be
that he was searching

558
00:26:00,927 --> 00:26:04,130
for opportunity, relentlessly.

559
00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:11,970
Bernard arrived in
California in 1903 after having

560
00:26:11,971 --> 00:26:15,541
tried his hand
in Beaumont, Texas.

561
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:19,378
But his journey began in
an even more remote place.

562
00:26:21,047 --> 00:26:23,481
The passenger list of the
ship that brought Bernard

563
00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:27,319
to America indicates that
his original name was

564
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,489
Berel Diller and that
his previous residence was

565
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:34,993
a town called Staryi Sambir.

566
00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:39,464
It's located in what was then
the Austro-Hungarian Empire,

567
00:26:39,465 --> 00:26:42,301
and is now Ukraine.

568
00:26:43,069 --> 00:26:47,373
And on the left, you could
see photos of Staryi Sambir.

569
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:50,442
Have you ever heard any
family stories about this place?

570
00:26:50,443 --> 00:26:52,377
DILLER: Are you crazy?

571
00:26:52,378 --> 00:26:54,579
No.

572
00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:57,816
Well, we're going to
take you to Staryi Sambir.

573
00:26:57,817 --> 00:27:00,052
Turn the page.

574
00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:03,121
This is a page from a
Polish journal called

575
00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:05,423
"Law and
Administration Review."

576
00:27:05,424 --> 00:27:08,827
This entry is dated
January 9th, 1897.

577
00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:10,962
Would you please read
that transcribed section?

578
00:27:10,963 --> 00:27:14,065
DILLER: How did this,
how'd you frigging find this?

579
00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:18,036
"The Imperial and Royal
Regional Court of Sambir.

580
00:27:18,037 --> 00:27:21,139
This commercial court
announces that a commercial

581
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:23,742
company by the
name of Berel Diller and

582
00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,378
Chaim Gartner
was entered in the

583
00:27:26,379 --> 00:27:30,181
Commercial Registrar
for the enterprise of leasing

584
00:27:30,182 --> 00:27:32,450
an American water mill.

585
00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:35,353
The general members of the
company are Berel Diller,

586
00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,723
owner of real estate and
merchant in Staryi Sambir,

587
00:27:38,724 --> 00:27:41,126
as well as Chaim Gartner,
owner of real estate and

588
00:27:41,127 --> 00:27:44,029
merchant in Pianowica."

589
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:45,563
GATES: That's right.

590
00:27:45,564 --> 00:27:46,865
DILLER: So they were,
they were merchants.

591
00:27:46,866 --> 00:27:48,166
GATES: Yes.

592
00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:50,235
Your grandfather was
extremely ambitious and

593
00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:54,440
hardworking,
willing to roll the dice.

594
00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:57,175
DILLER: Hmm.
GATES: Sound familiar?

595
00:27:57,176 --> 00:28:00,646
DILLER: Yeah.

596
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,416
GATES: What do you think
Berel would've made of you?

597
00:28:04,417 --> 00:28:08,854
DILLER: Oh, beyond his,
I could imagine, imagination.

598
00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:10,889
GATES: Mm-hmm.
DILLER: I would think.

599
00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:12,624
GATES: Yeah.
He would've been proud.

600
00:28:12,625 --> 00:28:14,359
DILLER: I think
he might've been.

601
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,561
GATES: And he would say,
"Takes after me."

602
00:28:16,562 --> 00:28:18,497
{\an8}(laughter).

603
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:23,002
{\an8}We had one more detail
to share with Barry.

604
00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:26,404
{\an8}Records from in and
around Staryi Sambir document

605
00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:28,707
{\an8}a series of marriages
among his relatives.

606
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:33,511
They allowed us to map
his paternal roots in

607
00:28:33,512 --> 00:28:37,916
the region back
two more generations,

608
00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:42,187
and to identify four of his
great-great-grandparents

609
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:44,457
by name.

610
00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:48,093
They were all likely born
sometime over 200 years ago

611
00:28:48,094 --> 00:28:50,328
in the early 1800s.

612
00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:53,164
DILLER: Huh.
GATES: Did you ever imagine...

613
00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:54,466
DILLER: I never.

614
00:28:54,467 --> 00:28:55,834
GATES: ...when you walked
through that door...

615
00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:58,203
DILLER: Are you kidding?
GATES: We went back to...

616
00:28:58,204 --> 00:28:59,871
DILLER: That's such, I mean,
it's just how you could

617
00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:02,240
do this is just...

618
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:03,942
Oof.

619
00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:07,078
GATES: You have
extraordinarily deep roots

620
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,815
in this one particular
part of the world.

621
00:29:12,218 --> 00:29:15,587
Is that a
grounding feeling?

622
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,822
DILLER: Well, it's
revelatory to such

623
00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:21,427
an extent that I
can't even grasp it.

624
00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:24,730
GATES: Mm-hmm.

625
00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:30,401
DILLER: I mean,
roots to me has been a word

626
00:29:30,402 --> 00:29:34,140
I've only understood
definitionally.

627
00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:37,142
To think I
actually have roots...

628
00:29:37,143 --> 00:29:38,943
GATES: Mm-hmm.

629
00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:42,148
DILLER: It's an
emotional thing.

630
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,421
GATES: We'd already seen
how Kate Burton's father,

631
00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:53,224
Richard, escaped the
Dickensian world that

632
00:29:53,225 --> 00:29:55,494
had entrapped his ancestors.

633
00:29:56,929 --> 00:29:59,931
Now turning to Kate's
mother, Sybil, we found

634
00:29:59,932 --> 00:30:02,935
ourselves back in
that same world.

635
00:30:05,671 --> 00:30:10,175
Just like Richard, Sybil
was born in South Wales,

636
00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:12,677
the daughter
of a coal miner.

637
00:30:12,678 --> 00:30:15,346
And she, too, lost her
mother at a young age

638
00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:18,484
and was raised, in part,
by an older sister.

639
00:30:20,352 --> 00:30:22,587
Sybil also seems to
have shared her husband's

640
00:30:22,588 --> 00:30:25,823
talent for reinvention.

641
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,593
Most notably, when her
marriage dissolved,

642
00:30:28,594 --> 00:30:30,962
she moved to
New York City,

643
00:30:30,963 --> 00:30:34,465
joined together with
friends to open a nightclub,

644
00:30:34,466 --> 00:30:36,936
and started over.

645
00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:42,540
BURTON: My mother
had a discotheque.

646
00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:45,710
As one's mom, you know,
and oh, and by the way,

647
00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:48,012
was always an
incredible mom.

648
00:30:48,013 --> 00:30:49,581
GATES: Uh-huh.

649
00:30:49,582 --> 00:30:52,350
BURTON: And when
she was at this club,

650
00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:55,954
she, there was a house
band called The Wild Ones.

651
00:30:55,955 --> 00:31:00,626
And she started to
date the lead singer.

652
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:02,427
GATES: Huh.

653
00:31:02,428 --> 00:31:06,130
BURTON: And the band had
come over to my house,

654
00:31:06,131 --> 00:31:08,199
and I'd met them,
and they were great, you know,

655
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,134
whatever, and I was you
know, jus, you know a

656
00:31:10,135 --> 00:31:13,204
very friendly kid.

657
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:15,607
And then she
said to me one day,

658
00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:18,042
"I have met somebody
that I want to marry."

659
00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:19,877
I was eight years old.

660
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,346
And I said, "Who is it?"

661
00:31:21,347 --> 00:31:22,680
Thinking, "Oh, no."

662
00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:24,749
Like, "What is she going to say?
Some terrible person."

663
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:27,118
And she said, "Jordan."

664
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:28,853
GATES: Mm.

665
00:31:28,854 --> 00:31:30,088
BURTON: And I went, "Jordan?"

666
00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:31,456
"From the group?"

667
00:31:31,457 --> 00:31:34,026
And she said, "Yes."
And I went, "Great."

668
00:31:35,861 --> 00:31:39,897
GATES: Jordan would become a
beloved stepfather to Kate

669
00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:42,901
and help cement her
mother's place in America.

670
00:31:44,169 --> 00:31:47,739
But in uprooting her family,
Sybil had put an ocean

671
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:50,875
between herself
and her homeland,

672
00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:54,113
and Kate came to me knowing
little about her mother's roots.

673
00:31:56,649 --> 00:32:00,151
We set out to change that
and soon found ourselves

674
00:32:00,152 --> 00:32:02,820
in the archives
of Cilgerran,

675
00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:05,757
the village where
Sybil's father was born and

676
00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:08,494
where his family
lived for generations.

677
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,464
BURTON: "Marriage solemnized
at the parish church

678
00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:17,769
in the parish of
Cilgerran, June 20th, 1844,

679
00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:21,306
between David Rees,
profession, slater."

680
00:32:21,307 --> 00:32:22,774
GATES: Mm-hmm.

681
00:32:22,775 --> 00:32:24,108
BURTON: "His father's
name, John Rees,

682
00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:25,543
profession, slater.

683
00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:28,313
And Sarah Williams,
her father's name,

684
00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:31,850
David Williams,
profession, laborer."

685
00:32:32,051 --> 00:32:33,618
GATES: That's your
great-great-grandparents'

686
00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:35,320
marriage record.

687
00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:36,788
BURTON: Wow.

688
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:38,122
GATES: It tells us the
names of their fathers,

689
00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:40,725
who were therefore your
third great-grandfathers.

690
00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:42,560
Your great-great-great
grandfathers.

691
00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:43,895
BURTON: Right.

692
00:32:43,896 --> 00:32:45,196
GATES: What's it
like to see that?

693
00:32:45,197 --> 00:32:46,397
BURTON: Amazing,
it's extraordinary.

694
00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:49,634
I just I can't believe it.

695
00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:52,870
Yeah, no, I, I knew that
Cilgerran was a part

696
00:32:52,871 --> 00:32:55,273
of the further
back part of...

697
00:32:55,274 --> 00:32:56,507
GATES: Uh-huh.

698
00:32:56,508 --> 00:32:58,009
BURTON: ...Mom's family.
GATES: Right.

699
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:59,377
BURTON: And that's in the
west of Wales, I believe.

700
00:32:59,378 --> 00:33:00,712
Yeah.

701
00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:02,680
GATES: Do you know
what a slater does?

702
00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:04,649
BURTON: Putting, is it
getting slate from

703
00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:06,184
the slate mine?

704
00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:07,418
GATES: Yeah.
BURTON: Yeah.

705
00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:08,586
GATES: Or the quarry.
BURTON: Yeah, the quarry.

706
00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:09,821
GATES: Cutting stone.
BURTON: Yeah, cutting stone.

707
00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:11,022
GATES: Huge industry
in Wales at that time.

708
00:33:11,023 --> 00:33:12,156
BURTON: Yeah.

709
00:33:12,157 --> 00:33:13,458
GATES: Sounds better
than coal mining.

710
00:33:13,459 --> 00:33:14,726
BURTON: It does sound better,
I think you're outside.

711
00:33:14,727 --> 00:33:15,860
GATES: Yeah.
BURTON: Yeah.

712
00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:16,928
GATES: Yeah.

713
00:33:16,929 --> 00:33:18,563
(laughing).

714
00:33:18,564 --> 00:33:20,932
Working in a quarry was
undoubtedly healthier than

715
00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:24,902
coal mining, and it
seems that for a time,

716
00:33:24,903 --> 00:33:26,704
Kate's mother's
ancestors fared much

717
00:33:26,705 --> 00:33:29,007
better than her father's.

718
00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:33,077
The 1855 census for
Cilgerran shows her

719
00:33:33,078 --> 00:33:37,248
great-great-grandparents,
David and Sarah Rees,

720
00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:40,685
living with their three
children on High Street,

721
00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:44,656
an address that appears to have
been rather picturesque.

722
00:33:47,326 --> 00:33:50,228
You could see photos of
the same street on the left,

723
00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,029
taken about 55 years later.

724
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:53,364
BURTON: Mm.

725
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:54,565
GATES: But there likely
was not much difference.

726
00:33:54,566 --> 00:33:56,100
BURTON: I bet there wasn't.

727
00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:57,468
Yeah.

728
00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:58,770
GATES: What's it
like to see that?

729
00:33:58,771 --> 00:33:59,871
BURTON: Oh.

730
00:33:59,872 --> 00:34:01,305
GATES: To imagine your
ancestors' lives there?

731
00:34:01,306 --> 00:34:03,374
BURTON: Amazing,
it's so wonderful.

732
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:04,876
GATES: Mm.

733
00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,310
BURTON: And all the ladies
with their little aprons.

734
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:07,912
I can't believe it.

735
00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:09,046
Oh, my God.

736
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:10,849
That's amazing.

737
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:14,852
GATES: Regrettably, David
and Sarah's good fortune

738
00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,088
wouldn't last.

739
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:19,991
Quarry work was
physically demanding,

740
00:34:19,992 --> 00:34:21,659
and as David aged,

741
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:24,863
it seems he was no
longer up to it.

742
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:29,300
In 1891, when he
was 70 years old,

743
00:34:29,301 --> 00:34:32,538
the census lists him as
a general laborer.

744
00:34:33,272 --> 00:34:36,974
And seven years later, we
found him and Sarah in the

745
00:34:36,975 --> 00:34:41,480
town of Cardigan
in truly dire circumstances.

746
00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:49,021
BURTON: "Date of the order
of admission, June 8th, 1898."

747
00:34:49,655 --> 00:34:51,756
GATES: In 1898,
David and Sarah were admitted

748
00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:55,893
into the
Cardigan Union Workhouse.

749
00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:57,728
BURTON: Wow.

750
00:34:57,729 --> 00:34:59,897
GATES: David was 77,
and Sarah was 75.

751
00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:01,499
BURTON: Wow.

752
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,268
GATES: And that's the
workhouse over on the left.

753
00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:08,941
BURTON: Oh, my God.
My God.

754
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:10,975
GATES: Mm.

755
00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:12,376
BURTON: Talk about Dickens.

756
00:35:12,377 --> 00:35:14,212
GATES: Yeah.
BURTON: Wow.

757
00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:16,681
GATES: That means they
were likely destitute.

758
00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:18,349
BURTON: Oh, my goodness.

759
00:35:18,350 --> 00:35:20,318
GATES: Mm.
BURTON: Ugh.

760
00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:21,986
That's incredible.

761
00:35:21,987 --> 00:35:23,387
GATES: And you've heard
of a workhouse before?

762
00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:24,789
BURTON: Yes, from Dickens.

763
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:26,324
GATES: Yeah, yeah, me too.
BURTON: From Charles Dickens.

764
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:28,627
{\an8}Wow.

765
00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,463
{\an8}GATES: The workhouse
system was introduced to

766
00:35:32,464 --> 00:35:35,567
{\an8}Great Britain
in the 1830s.

767
00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:40,204
{\an8}By the time Kate's
ancestors arrived at Cardigan,

768
00:35:40,205 --> 00:35:43,175
it had evolved to
offer a cold bargain.

769
00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:47,545
People who entered were
given food and shelter in

770
00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:50,249
exchange for physically
demanding labor.

771
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:55,253
Men broke stones for
roads, chopped wood,

772
00:35:55,254 --> 00:35:57,688
and ground corn.

773
00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:00,558
Women did the laundry
and the cooking.

774
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,693
BURTON: Mm.

775
00:36:02,694 --> 00:36:04,462
That's really...

776
00:36:04,463 --> 00:36:07,164
GATES: According to scholars
with whom we consulted,

777
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:10,034
since they went in together,
they probably could not

778
00:36:10,035 --> 00:36:12,036
survive outside
on their own.

779
00:36:12,037 --> 00:36:14,071
BURTON: Mm.
Yeah, yeah.

780
00:36:14,072 --> 00:36:16,641
Oh, God.

781
00:36:16,642 --> 00:36:18,175
GATES: So let's
see what...

782
00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,710
BURTON: That's real bad.

783
00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:21,145
GATES: ...happened
in the workhouse.

784
00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:22,413
BURTON: Okay.

785
00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:23,814
GATES: This is another
record from the workhouse.

786
00:36:23,815 --> 00:36:25,149
BURTON: Oh, my God.

787
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:26,584
GATES: It's dated
July 1st, 1898, less

788
00:36:26,585 --> 00:36:27,952
than a month after your
ancestors were admitted.

789
00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,453
Would you please read
that transcribed section?

790
00:36:29,454 --> 00:36:30,655
BURTON: Mm.

791
00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:31,856
"Discharge book.

792
00:36:31,857 --> 00:36:33,324
Date, July 1st, 1898.

793
00:36:33,325 --> 00:36:34,592
Name, Sarah Rees.

794
00:36:34,593 --> 00:36:36,093
How discharged,
sent to asylum."

795
00:36:36,094 --> 00:36:38,062
GATES: Mm.
BURTON: Oh, gosh.

796
00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:39,230
I never knew about this,

797
00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:42,167
and I don't
think Mom did either.

798
00:36:43,235 --> 00:36:45,570
GATES: According
to this record,

799
00:36:45,571 --> 00:36:48,039
Sarah was transferred
from the workhouse to

800
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,009
what we now call a
psychiatric hospital.

801
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:55,246
We believe she may have
been suffering from dementia,

802
00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:57,449
but we can't
be certain.

803
00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:03,655
All we know is that her
condition did not improve.

804
00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:08,359
BURTON: Wow.

805
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,061
GATES: Would you please
read the transcribed section?

806
00:37:10,062 --> 00:37:12,897
BURTON: "When and where died,
9th December, 1898,

807
00:37:12,898 --> 00:37:15,266
lunatic asylum,
Carmarthen.

808
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,335
Sarah Rees, 75 years.

809
00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:21,106
Cause of death, chronic
cerebral atrophy of some years."

810
00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:22,773
GATES: Mm.

811
00:37:22,774 --> 00:37:27,545
BURTON: Oh, so for yeah,
so yeah, later that year.

812
00:37:27,546 --> 00:37:30,214
GATES: Yep, chronic
cerebral atrophy causes

813
00:37:30,215 --> 00:37:32,183
the brain to
shrink faster...

814
00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:33,684
BURTON: Mm.

815
00:37:33,685 --> 00:37:35,252
GATES: ...than what's
typical with aging.

816
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:36,754
BURTON: Mm.

817
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:38,122
GATES: And it's a
symptom of stroke or...

818
00:37:38,123 --> 00:37:39,423
BURTON: Oh.

819
00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:40,858
GATES: ...traumatic
brain injury and dementia.

820
00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:42,493
BURTON: Yeah, and of
course, they didn't have,

821
00:37:42,494 --> 00:37:43,995
they knew so little.

822
00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:45,262
GATES: Yeah.

823
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:46,964
BURTON: You know, they don't
know how to treat anything.

824
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,067
That's incredible.

825
00:37:49,835 --> 00:37:52,470
GATES: When Sarah was
sent to the asylum,

826
00:37:52,471 --> 00:37:53,871
her husband, David,

827
00:37:53,872 --> 00:37:56,440
remained behind
in the workhouse,

828
00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,744
without any family
to care for him.

829
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:04,582
His death certificate
indicates that he died

830
00:38:04,583 --> 00:38:09,021
just three years later
at the age of 81.

831
00:38:13,392 --> 00:38:15,292
BURTON: That's just
so heartbreaking.

832
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:16,594
GATES: Mm.

833
00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:18,162
BURTON: It is really
heartbreaking to read.

834
00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:19,463
Yeah.

835
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:20,665
GATES: What do you think
your mom would've made of

836
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:22,366
all of this?

837
00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:23,701
BURTON: I think
it would have,

838
00:38:23,702 --> 00:38:25,136
I think it would have
been hard for her to hear.

839
00:38:25,137 --> 00:38:26,604
GATES: Oh, yeah.

840
00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:27,905
BURTON: I mean, I do
think the one thing that

841
00:38:27,906 --> 00:38:31,976
I can say about both
my parents is that they

842
00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:35,846
really experienced
people stepping up

843
00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:37,481
when, when loss happened.

844
00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:38,849
GATES: Mm-hmm.

845
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:40,651
BURTON: There was always,
in, in, in those,

846
00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:42,219
you know, for both
their communities and

847
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:45,122
their families, their,
their unit families,

848
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:46,557
that people stepped up.

849
00:38:46,558 --> 00:38:47,925
GATES: Mm-hmm.

850
00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:49,293
BURTON: Whereas clearly
in this situation,

851
00:38:49,294 --> 00:38:50,528
that did not happen.

852
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:51,796
GATES: No.

853
00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:53,064
BURTON: And I think it
would've been hard for

854
00:38:53,065 --> 00:38:54,532
my mom to hear this.

855
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:55,933
GATES: Mm.

856
00:38:55,934 --> 00:38:57,535
BURTON: But my mother
also had a magnificent

857
00:38:57,536 --> 00:38:59,236
ability to compartmentalize.

858
00:38:59,237 --> 00:39:00,905
And I mean that
in the best way.

859
00:39:00,906 --> 00:39:02,373
GATES: Yeah.

860
00:39:02,374 --> 00:39:06,477
BURTON: You know she was
able to focus forward.

861
00:39:06,478 --> 00:39:08,079
She was always
about moving forward.

862
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,547
She did talk
about the past.

863
00:39:09,548 --> 00:39:11,782
She did talk
about her childhood,

864
00:39:11,783 --> 00:39:14,085
which she considered to be,
with all the loss,

865
00:39:14,086 --> 00:39:15,553
a very happy childhood.

866
00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:16,887
GATES: Mm.

867
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,622
BURTON: She considered...
she loved her community.

868
00:39:18,623 --> 00:39:21,625
She adored, you know,
the stories she told,

869
00:39:21,626 --> 00:39:24,562
always about her
growing-up years,

870
00:39:24,563 --> 00:39:26,931
always had great humor
and love, and how...

871
00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:28,299
GATES: Well, let me
ask you about that,

872
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:29,767
because someone else would've
been marked and damaged,

873
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:30,901
and "Life cheated me."

874
00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:32,069
BURTON: Yeah.

875
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:33,270
GATES: "My mother was
taken away at 10."

876
00:39:33,271 --> 00:39:34,605
BURTON: Mm.
GATES: What is...

877
00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:35,973
BURTON: She did not
have that attitude.

878
00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:37,441
GATES: Yeah.
BURTON: She did not.

879
00:39:37,442 --> 00:39:38,676
She never did.

880
00:39:38,677 --> 00:39:41,912
She always had, you know,
truly, the, and this was her,

881
00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,514
her great friend,
who's a beautiful actress,

882
00:39:43,515 --> 00:39:45,483
Millie Perkins,
always used to send the

883
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:46,917
most wonderful cards,
and one of them,

884
00:39:46,918 --> 00:39:48,152
and Mom had it framed,

885
00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:49,587
said, "Bloom where
you're planted."

886
00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:52,022
And I remember that was the
first time I'd ever heard that,

887
00:39:52,023 --> 00:39:53,624
and that was
Mom's attitude.

888
00:39:53,625 --> 00:39:55,025
GATES: Mm-hmm.

889
00:39:55,026 --> 00:39:58,295
BURTON: She had a
capability to bloom

890
00:39:58,296 --> 00:40:00,132
where she was planted.

891
00:40:03,368 --> 00:40:06,070
GATES: Turning back
to Barry Diller,

892
00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:10,074
we shifted from his father's
family to his mother's,

893
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,444
and confronted a mystery.

894
00:40:13,845 --> 00:40:16,447
Barry told me that his
mother struggled with

895
00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:19,551
migraine headaches and
repressed emotions,

896
00:40:20,485 --> 00:40:22,954
and Barry thought he knew why.

897
00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:26,724
During her childhood,
she had spent several years

898
00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:30,861
at an orphanage following
the death of her father,

899
00:40:30,862 --> 00:40:34,966
Barry's grandfather, a
man named Harry Addison.

900
00:40:36,368 --> 00:40:39,538
But that's where
the mystery began.

901
00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:41,806
Barry had been
told that Harry died in

902
00:40:41,807 --> 00:40:44,708
a streetcar accident.

903
00:40:44,709 --> 00:40:48,079
Yet newspapers from the
time tell a different story.

904
00:40:51,383 --> 00:40:53,117
DILLER: "Harry Addison,
age 32,

905
00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:54,585
Boston Elevated conductor,

906
00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:56,487
committed
suicide late this

907
00:40:56,488 --> 00:41:00,057
afternoon at his home
by shooting himself.

908
00:41:00,058 --> 00:41:02,393
Addison was employed by
the street railway company

909
00:41:02,394 --> 00:41:05,796
for nearly five years,
and he had been away sick

910
00:41:05,797 --> 00:41:10,568
for a fortnight, and his
fellow employees believe

911
00:41:10,569 --> 00:41:12,838
his sickness had
made him despondent."

912
00:41:15,207 --> 00:41:21,313
Pfft, well,
I'm shocked.

913
00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:27,251
I don't know what I am,
but that my mother never

914
00:41:27,252 --> 00:41:32,190
discussed this,
and I presume,

915
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:35,794
although we don't know,
maybe she didn't know.

916
00:41:36,127 --> 00:41:37,561
She was only three.

917
00:41:37,562 --> 00:41:39,096
GATES: She was only three.

918
00:41:39,097 --> 00:41:44,169
DILLER: But suicide
in my family,

919
00:41:44,703 --> 00:41:46,738
would've never dreamt it.

920
00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:50,407
GATES: We don't know what
drove Barry's grandfather

921
00:41:50,408 --> 00:41:54,378
to take his own life,
but it's easy to understand

922
00:41:54,379 --> 00:41:56,947
why it was kept a secret,

923
00:41:56,948 --> 00:41:59,517
especially given
what happened next.

924
00:42:02,387 --> 00:42:05,055
Harry's death left
his wife, Dora,

925
00:42:05,056 --> 00:42:07,859
in an extremely
vulnerable position.

926
00:42:08,727 --> 00:42:11,095
With three young
children to raise,

927
00:42:11,096 --> 00:42:16,700
including an infant, she soon
moved from Massachusetts to

928
00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:22,239
San Francisco, and there,
according to Barry's relatives,

929
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,043
Dora did
something unimaginable.

930
00:42:26,578 --> 00:42:29,980
She put her children in
an orphanage so that she

931
00:42:29,981 --> 00:42:32,918
could marry a wealthy man.

932
00:42:33,852 --> 00:42:37,488
It sounded like one of
Grimm's Fairy Tales,

933
00:42:37,489 --> 00:42:39,757
but like some
family stories,

934
00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:42,494
it did contain
an element of truth.

935
00:42:45,463 --> 00:42:49,034
DILLER: "Pacific Hebrew
Orphan Asylum."

936
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:54,072
Oh my God. Date of admission,
December 12th, 1914.

937
00:42:55,807 --> 00:42:58,175
GATES: Mm-hmm.

938
00:42:58,176 --> 00:43:00,077
DILLER: A few months later.
GATES: A few months later.

939
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:05,050
He died September 18th, and
this is a few months later.

940
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:08,353
DILLER: Where is this?
GATES: It's San Francisco.

941
00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:10,487
DILLER: So she goes to
San Francisco and immediately

942
00:43:10,488 --> 00:43:12,189
puts her children in.

943
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:15,693
GATES: In under three months,
your mother lost her father,

944
00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:17,928
was moved all the
way across the country,

945
00:43:17,929 --> 00:43:20,130
3,000 miles,
and was admitted to

946
00:43:20,131 --> 00:43:23,601
an orphanage under the
care of total strangers.

947
00:43:24,736 --> 00:43:28,039
Now, think
about that trauma.

948
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:32,010
DILLER: Geez. Yeah.

949
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:34,244
GATES: Horrible.
I mean, poor kid.

950
00:43:34,245 --> 00:43:37,348
DILLER: That she even
survived, I mean, yeah, okay.

951
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:39,350
GATES: Yeah.
DILLER: Migraines, for sure.

952
00:43:39,351 --> 00:43:42,586
GATES: Yeah, did your
mom ever talk about...

953
00:43:42,587 --> 00:43:45,522
DILLER: She never
talked ever, once, ever,

954
00:43:45,523 --> 00:43:47,291
about her years
in the orphanage.

955
00:43:47,292 --> 00:43:48,792
GATES: Mm.

956
00:43:48,793 --> 00:43:50,194
DILLER: Ever.

957
00:43:50,195 --> 00:43:52,364
Ever.

958
00:43:53,365 --> 00:43:55,833
GATES: Barry's mother may
not have discussed it,

959
00:43:55,834 --> 00:43:58,837
but she spent over
a decade in the orphanage.

960
00:44:00,205 --> 00:44:02,373
And combing
through its archives,

961
00:44:02,374 --> 00:44:05,175
we were able to
give Barry a glimpse

962
00:44:05,176 --> 00:44:08,179
of those crucial
years in her life.

963
00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:10,647
What's it
like to see that?

964
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:15,853
DILLER: I can only conjure
up what abandonment must've

965
00:44:15,854 --> 00:44:17,488
been like.

966
00:44:17,489 --> 00:44:19,089
GATES: Mm-hmm.

967
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:20,924
DILLER: And even
if these were...

968
00:44:20,925 --> 00:44:23,260
I see this picture,
it looks...

969
00:44:23,261 --> 00:44:25,829
So it's not the picture
I had in mind of what the

970
00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:27,131
orphanage looked like.

971
00:44:27,132 --> 00:44:28,465
I had in mind...

972
00:44:28,466 --> 00:44:30,634
GATES: Right.
DILLER: ...some prison...

973
00:44:30,635 --> 00:44:32,136
GATES: Yeah.

974
00:44:32,137 --> 00:44:34,471
DILLER: ...with
an ogre at the top.

975
00:44:34,472 --> 00:44:36,940
GATES: Mm-hmm.

976
00:44:36,941 --> 00:44:40,778
DILLER: But I, I, I
can't, I don't know...

977
00:44:40,779 --> 00:44:42,446
GATES: Mm.
DILLER: ...what she must...

978
00:44:42,447 --> 00:44:44,882
I know it,
I know in some respects,

979
00:44:44,883 --> 00:44:46,683
it severely damaged her.

980
00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:48,152
GATES: Mm-hmm.
DILLER: That, I know.

981
00:44:48,153 --> 00:44:49,319
GATES: Mm.

982
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,256
DILLER: I don't know
anything more than that.

983
00:44:51,623 --> 00:44:54,258
GATES: Trying to add
to Barry's knowledge,

984
00:44:54,259 --> 00:44:56,528
we soon noticed
something surprising.

985
00:44:59,431 --> 00:45:01,498
Records at the orphanage
didn't match what Barry

986
00:45:01,499 --> 00:45:04,436
had been told about
his grandmother, Dora.

987
00:45:05,937 --> 00:45:09,406
Instead, they show that
Dora did not initially put

988
00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:12,377
all three of her children
in the orphanage.

989
00:45:13,344 --> 00:45:16,214
She kept the infant
at home with her.

990
00:45:17,015 --> 00:45:19,883
What's more, it seems
that Dora did not marry

991
00:45:19,884 --> 00:45:22,553
a wealthy man.

992
00:45:22,554 --> 00:45:25,090
Quite the contrary.

993
00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:28,992
DILLER: Dora Addison,
maiden name Falk.

994
00:45:28,993 --> 00:45:32,596
Address of guardian
or parent, unknown.

995
00:45:32,597 --> 00:45:35,633
Unable to support
except herself and infant.

996
00:45:35,834 --> 00:45:37,668
GATES: And then above,
unable to support...

997
00:45:37,669 --> 00:45:39,336
DILLER: Yes, it says
McAllister Street.

998
00:45:39,337 --> 00:45:41,138
GATES: But it's
struck out.

999
00:45:41,139 --> 00:45:42,573
DILLER: Why?

1000
00:45:42,574 --> 00:45:45,375
GATES: In 1914, when your
mother was in the orphanage,

1001
00:45:45,376 --> 00:45:48,278
her mother was also
living in San Francisco,

1002
00:45:48,279 --> 00:45:50,447
and this record
gives us a clue about what

1003
00:45:50,448 --> 00:45:52,716
she was going through.

1004
00:45:52,717 --> 00:45:55,886
Can you read for me again
the remarks in the document?

1005
00:45:55,887 --> 00:45:57,287
What does it say?

1006
00:45:57,288 --> 00:45:59,556
DILLER: Unable to support
except herself and infant.

1007
00:45:59,557 --> 00:46:01,058
GATES: So you see,
she wasn't married to

1008
00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:02,526
this other guy.

1009
00:46:02,527 --> 00:46:03,994
According to
the orphanage,

1010
00:46:03,995 --> 00:46:06,096
Dora was
struggling financially,

1011
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:08,465
desperately, and
she was only able to

1012
00:46:08,466 --> 00:46:10,367
take care of
herself and that infant,

1013
00:46:10,368 --> 00:46:13,604
your 11-month-old
Uncle Irving.

1014
00:46:13,605 --> 00:46:16,808
DILLER: Hmm, is
all I got to say.

1015
00:46:17,642 --> 00:46:20,677
And... wait, why
are they crossed out?

1016
00:46:20,678 --> 00:46:22,379
GATES: Because she was
moving from place to place.

1017
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:24,548
She was transient.

1018
00:46:24,549 --> 00:46:28,986
She was so poor that
she was bouncing around

1019
00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:31,555
residences in
San Francisco.

1020
00:46:31,556 --> 00:46:33,257
DILLER: Hmm.

1021
00:46:33,258 --> 00:46:34,558
GATES: That changes
the picture quite a lot,

1022
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:35,926
doesn't it?

1023
00:46:35,927 --> 00:46:37,427
DILLER: It does, it
gives me some sympathy

1024
00:46:37,428 --> 00:46:38,929
that I never had.

1025
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:40,397
GATES: Mm.

1026
00:46:40,398 --> 00:46:42,599
DILLER: Because I had
believed that she was

1027
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,070
placed at the orphanage
because her, her, her

1028
00:46:47,071 --> 00:46:53,211
mother's new husband
of wealth didn't want her.

1029
00:46:53,645 --> 00:46:55,479
GATES: Right.

1030
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,415
DILLER: But that does
not seem to be true.

1031
00:46:58,416 --> 00:47:01,351
GATES: That
never happened.

1032
00:47:01,352 --> 00:47:03,187
DILLER: Okay.

1033
00:47:03,188 --> 00:47:04,855
GATES: In fact,
quite the opposite.

1034
00:47:04,856 --> 00:47:07,090
She was struggling just
to feed the little baby.

1035
00:47:07,091 --> 00:47:10,862
{\an8}DILLER: Amazing.

1036
00:47:12,897 --> 00:47:14,898
{\an8}GATES: We don't
know how this story became

1037
00:47:14,899 --> 00:47:18,503
{\an8}so distorted, but we
do know how it ends.

1038
00:47:20,772 --> 00:47:22,639
The 1930 census for

1039
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,442
San Francisco
shows Barry's mother,

1040
00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:29,847
at age 19, living in
an apartment with her mother.

1041
00:47:31,149 --> 00:47:34,017
So it seems the two
were able to reunite,

1042
00:47:34,018 --> 00:47:36,987
at least for a time,

1043
00:47:36,988 --> 00:47:40,190
leaving Barry
to contemplate an entirely

1044
00:47:40,191 --> 00:47:42,927
new picture of his
mother's childhood.

1045
00:47:45,697 --> 00:47:47,831
DILLER: First of all, it
ruins a narrative story

1046
00:47:47,832 --> 00:47:49,399
that I've had
for so long...

1047
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,934
GATES: Right.

1048
00:47:50,935 --> 00:47:52,336
DILLER: ...which is
such a cracking good,

1049
00:47:52,337 --> 00:47:56,241
terrible story, that I'm
reluctant to give it up.

1050
00:47:57,242 --> 00:47:58,642
GATES: Well, because...
DILLER: But.

1051
00:47:58,643 --> 00:48:00,077
GATES: ...it neatly
explained the world.

1052
00:48:00,078 --> 00:48:01,378
Everything was
compartmentalized,

1053
00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:03,547
and you could, and
it had bad people.

1054
00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:05,215
DILLER: It had so
much sympathy for my

1055
00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:06,917
mother's situation.

1056
00:48:06,918 --> 00:48:08,452
GATES: Not that being
in an orphanage is not

1057
00:48:08,453 --> 00:48:12,055
sympathetic on its own,
but it's completely

1058
00:48:12,056 --> 00:48:16,260
different than what
I thought, what I have,

1059
00:48:16,261 --> 00:48:19,631
what I believed happened.

1060
00:48:19,864 --> 00:48:22,133
It's so starkly different.

1061
00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:24,234
GATES: Everything that
you believed was wrong.

1062
00:48:24,235 --> 00:48:25,335
DILLER: Yeah.

1063
00:48:25,336 --> 00:48:28,372
But especially that she
did not put my mother in

1064
00:48:28,373 --> 00:48:32,409
an orphanage while
she was grandly living in

1065
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:35,345
some penthouse in
San Francisco.

1066
00:48:35,346 --> 00:48:37,347
GATES: No, far from it.

1067
00:48:37,348 --> 00:48:40,217
She might've been cleaning
a penthouse in San Francisco,

1068
00:48:40,218 --> 00:48:41,652
but she was not...

1069
00:48:41,653 --> 00:48:43,020
DILLER: Ah.

1070
00:48:43,021 --> 00:48:44,254
GATES: ...sleeping with
the owner of the,

1071
00:48:44,255 --> 00:48:45,789
the apartment.

1072
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:47,958
DILLER: Wow.
GATES: What do you make...

1073
00:48:47,959 --> 00:48:50,060
DILLER: Oh ha-ha,
what do I make?

1074
00:48:50,061 --> 00:48:51,695
I can't.

1075
00:48:51,696 --> 00:48:53,030
I can only hear it.

1076
00:48:53,031 --> 00:48:54,431
I can't make of it yet.

1077
00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:57,134
It's just, listen,
you know of the things,

1078
00:48:57,135 --> 00:48:59,970
I've lived longer than you,
but I mean you know of the

1079
00:48:59,971 --> 00:49:04,007
things that are, you think
are truths that turn out

1080
00:49:04,008 --> 00:49:05,809
to be giant myths.

1081
00:49:05,810 --> 00:49:07,444
GATES: Right.

1082
00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:09,279
DILLER: And they're just,
they've been part of the

1083
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,517
fabric of my
understanding for...

1084
00:49:13,518 --> 00:49:15,752
GATES: Myths that we
ordered our lives by.

1085
00:49:15,753 --> 00:49:17,154
DILLER: Yeah.

1086
00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:18,588
GATES: What do you think
your mother would've made

1087
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:20,424
of all of this?

1088
00:49:20,425 --> 00:49:22,893
DILLER: Well, we
don't know what she knew.

1089
00:49:22,894 --> 00:49:24,494
GATES: Right.

1090
00:49:24,495 --> 00:49:26,430
DILLER: I think
if she didn't know,

1091
00:49:26,431 --> 00:49:29,533
it would have an
incredible impact on her.

1092
00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:32,936
If she did know,

1093
00:49:32,937 --> 00:49:37,641
and I suspect
she must have known,

1094
00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:40,977
if she did know,
then it connects to

1095
00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:47,284
the repression
and uh, of her life

1096
00:49:47,285 --> 00:49:50,520
and why, and it uh,

1097
00:49:50,521 --> 00:49:54,624
the compartmentalization
of her life.

1098
00:49:54,625 --> 00:49:57,895
It explains it either way.

1099
00:49:58,396 --> 00:50:00,163
GATES: The paper trail
had now run out for each

1100
00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,566
of my guests.

1101
00:50:02,567 --> 00:50:04,167
BURTON: Oh, my goodness.

1102
00:50:04,168 --> 00:50:07,705
GATES: It was time to show
them their full family trees.

1103
00:50:07,939 --> 00:50:11,609
BURTON: Oh, this is amazing.
DILLER: This is fantastic.

1104
00:50:12,076 --> 00:50:14,712
I'm going to be
poring over this one.

1105
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:16,947
GATES: And see what DNA
could tell us about their

1106
00:50:16,948 --> 00:50:19,283
deeper roots.

1107
00:50:20,251 --> 00:50:24,554
For Kate, her admixture
reveals that 98% of her

1108
00:50:24,555 --> 00:50:28,992
DNA comes from Wales,
and when we mapped her

1109
00:50:28,993 --> 00:50:32,496
ancestral towns,
we saw them all clustered

1110
00:50:32,497 --> 00:50:34,898
in the same place.

1111
00:50:34,899 --> 00:50:36,533
BURTON: Oh my God,
it's magnificent.

1112
00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,568
GATES: Your DNA is
spread all over South Wales.

1113
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:39,903
BURTON: All over
South Wales.

1114
00:50:39,904 --> 00:50:41,171
That's it.

1115
00:50:41,172 --> 00:50:42,506
That's so fantastic.

1116
00:50:42,507 --> 00:50:44,909
How great.
Beautiful.

1117
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:47,744
GATES: We almost never
have guests who are so

1118
00:50:47,745 --> 00:50:51,249
exclusively tied to
such a small area.

1119
00:50:52,617 --> 00:50:55,886
And it brought Kate's
thoughts back to her parents,

1120
00:50:55,887 --> 00:50:58,855
who kept Wales in
their hearts even as

1121
00:50:58,856 --> 00:51:01,058
they left it behind.

1122
00:51:01,692 --> 00:51:05,162
BURTON: My mother and
my father both absolutely

1123
00:51:05,163 --> 00:51:07,364
felt so connected
to their homeland.

1124
00:51:07,365 --> 00:51:08,832
GATES: Mm.
BURTON: And I do, too.

1125
00:51:08,833 --> 00:51:11,235
GATES: Yeah?
BURTON: Yeah, it's beautiful.

1126
00:51:12,303 --> 00:51:14,371
GATES: Barry's DNA would
reveal a connection of a

1127
00:51:14,372 --> 00:51:16,941
very different kind.

1128
00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:19,142
When we compared his
genetic profile to that

1129
00:51:19,143 --> 00:51:21,812
of others who've
been in the series,

1130
00:51:21,813 --> 00:51:24,347
we found a match,

1131
00:51:24,348 --> 00:51:28,653
evidence of a distant
relative he never knew he had.

1132
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:32,923
Please turn the page and
meet your DNA cousin.

1133
00:51:32,924 --> 00:51:34,758
DILLER: No.

1134
00:51:34,759 --> 00:51:36,193
Sheryl Sandberg?

1135
00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:38,996
GATES: Sheryl Sandberg
is your DNA cousin.

1136
00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:43,868
(laughing).

1137
00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:47,404
Barry shares identical
segments of DNA on five

1138
00:51:47,405 --> 00:51:50,807
separate chromosomes
with his friend and

1139
00:51:50,808 --> 00:51:53,544
{\an8}fellow business leader,
Sheryl Sandberg.

1140
00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:56,681
{\an8}DILLER: I can't
wait to tell her.

1141
00:51:57,482 --> 00:51:59,283
{\an8}GATES: So if we had
an ideal family tree for

1142
00:52:00,084 --> 00:52:01,718
{\an8}Sheryl and an ideal
family tree for you...

1143
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,886
{\an8}DILLER: Somewhere up there.

1144
00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:04,287
{\an8}GATES: ...going back far,
somebody would be,

1145
00:52:04,288 --> 00:52:05,922
{\an8}at least one person
would be the same.

1146
00:52:05,923 --> 00:52:07,891
{\an8}DILLER: Wow, that's great.

1147
00:52:07,892 --> 00:52:10,227
{\an8}That's the end of our
journey with Kate Burton

1148
00:52:10,228 --> 00:52:12,028
{\an8}and Barry Diller.

1149
00:52:12,029 --> 00:52:15,031
{\an8}Join me next time when we
unlock the secrets of the

1150
00:52:15,032 --> 00:52:19,636
{\an8}past for new guests
on another episode of

1151
00:52:19,637 --> 00:52:21,472
{\an8}"Finding Your Roots."