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* Sorrow will take you *
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* It will shake you *
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* How can anyone stand tall? *
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* When mountains fall *
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Do you see that we came
for the Blue Ridge Mountains?
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- Yeah.
- How hard would it be for you,
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not even being from here,
to hide a body?
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It wouldn't be hard at all.
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You don't know
where to search here.
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No, gorges and caves and canyons
and rivers and everything.
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I love that song,
"Take Me Home, Country Roads,"
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where they sing about
the Blue Ridge Mountains.
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It's beautiful here,
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but it's also a place where
some people never come home,
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like young wife
and mother, Brenda Lambert,
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who disappeared
here 30 years ago.
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Brenda, was only 22,
a baby herself.
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She was married.
She had little kids,
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and she goes missing on the day
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of her son's one year
birthday party.
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- A lot of questions.
- A lot of rumors, crazy rumors.
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Weeks before her disappearance,
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Brenda Lambert filed
a protective order
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against her husband,
claiming domestic violence.
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Naturally, he became
the first person of interest.
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According to him, though,
Brenda just ran off.
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But then you've got
this weird aspect of this case.
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Not only does Brenda go missing,
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you've got an alleged lover
of hers that goes missing.
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Mark Cook. There's no body
ever found with that one either.
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Are they related or is it just--
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- A rumor?
- Yeah.
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Six months
after Brenda vanished,
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a local man named
Mark Cook also disappeared.
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Some think
it's just a coincidence,
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while other people suspect
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that their disappearances
are connected.
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If so, that would open up
a whole new world of suspects.
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Her sister, Christy's,
been like an investigator
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this whole time
for all these years,
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trying to get something
to happen with the case.
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I would do the same thing
for my sister.
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- Yeah.
- For over 30 years,
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all of the rumors
and unanswered questions
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about this case have
torn Brenda's family apart.
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Circumstantial evidence cases
where you don't have a body
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are the hardest ones to solve.
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So, that's why the Mercer County
Sheriff's Office has asked
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for our help.
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Something like this
where you've got a mother
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of a couple of kids.
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These are the ones
that I think they haunt you.
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I know.
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- Howdy.
- Hello.
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- How ya doing?
- How are y'all?
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- Good to see y'all.
- Steve Spingola.
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- How you doing?
- Nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you.
So he drafted you, huh?
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He did, I'm drafted.
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Your department was known
about the case for 30 years.
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Yes. Yeah,
I'm retiring here next month.
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This is like your last
big push for this, huh?
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It is.
Don't want to let anybody down.
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- I want closure for the family.
- Okay.
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Well, let's go
get started working
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and see if we can
get some answers, okay?
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Sounds great.
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Mercer County is very quiet,
very rural, low crime rates.
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It's a little piece of heaven.
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Having a cold case like
this with a missing person
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is very unusual
for Mercer County.
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It's a thorn in the side
for the sheriff's department
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not to get this thing solved.
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Closing this case
would mean the world to me.
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Okay. First, tell us
a little bit about Brenda.
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Brenda was a mother of two.
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She was very
happy person, easygoing.
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Everything was
about her children.
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Who's the baby in
the picture here with Brenda?
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That's baby Raymond Jr.
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And that was his
one-year birthday?
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- Mm-hmm.
- And the daughter was?
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Christa Dawn.
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She was a homemaker.
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Family was
real important to her.
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Anybody that knew her knew
that she was also a fighter,
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she had a fighter spirit.
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She was kind of sassy, right?
She was a feisty girl.
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Very defensive
of what she loved.
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Nice.
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Branda and Raymond
got married back in 1986,
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when Brenda was
only 16 years old.
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By July of 1992,
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their relationship was
already headed for a divorce.
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He's not living in the house.
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He's actually
living with his mom and dad.
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Really?
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There were allegations
of domestic violence
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and infidelity.
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And Raymond was
staying with his parents
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on the family's
rural mountain property
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on the day Brenda disappeared.
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July 26, 1992.
How does all this start?
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She was having a birthday party
for Junior Lambert.
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She invited the family.
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Raymond went to pick
a cake up and he showed up.
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- Tammy Loveday showed up.
- Brenda's cousin.
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There was a source of tension
to her being in the home
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because there was
a lot of rumor focused around
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that Tammy might have been
having an affair with Raymond.
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And she had the nerve
to go to the birthday party?
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- She did.
- That's kind of bold.
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Oh, yeah.
But everybody seems to agree
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she was in
a terrible mood that day,
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that there was something wrong.
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Well, it's not every day
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that your husband's
mistress walks into the house
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and starts lording over
the birthday party for a--
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- Right.
- For a one-year-old child.
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Yeah.
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According to
the family at the party,
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everybody left
about eight o' clock.
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Raymond took the kids up
to the mountain property
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where they spent the night
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with Raymond
and Raymond's parents.
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The next day,
he returned about 2:30
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to discover that
Brenda was missing.
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The family contacted
the sheriff's department
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and said she was missing.
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The sheriff's department
went to that residence.
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They found the house locked up.
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The decorations from
the birthday party still up.
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The dishes from the party
were still in the sink.
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Law enforcement
starts looking for her.
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But she just vanished.
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How was Raymond
handling it back then?
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If I was a husband
that had lost my wife,
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I would be calling the cops
for updates on what's going on.
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We got nothing
but crickets from him.
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- Whoa.
- Brenda's car was still parked
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right outside of her house,
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and nothing was
found to have been missing.
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Raymond suggested she
may have abandoned her own kids
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and run off with another man.
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But if that's so, she
didn't take anything with her.
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Maybe he didn't seem concerned
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because he knew what
actually happened to her.
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All right.
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So, you always have to
look to the spouse first, right?
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Raymond Lambert.
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Raymond was 26,
married young, rocky marriage.
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He's mad at her
about her socializing.
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She liked to go to the bars.
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- Well, everybody did, right?
- Yeah.
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It was just what
you did on the weekend.
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- Yeah.
- He's jealous, right?
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Very jealous.
She was telling her other people
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that Raymond was beating her.
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Well, there was a DV,
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a domestic
violence earlier that month.
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July 7th,
she calls law enforcement.
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He was held me against my will,
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stuck a gun to my head
and threatened to kill me.
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Raymond doesn't get arrested
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but she's going to
go see legal aid, July 30th.
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Attorney,
to talk about doing what?
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Divorce.
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Brenda ended up
dropping her protective order,
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which is what allowed Raymond
to come to the birthday party.
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So, if he did kill Brenda,
why that night?
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Now, let's get
to our next suspect,
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Tammy, Brenda's cousin,
cheating with Raymond.
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In his original statement,
he doesn't put Tammy there.
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Denies having
any relationship with her.
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But even Brenda knew
they were sleeping together?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah.
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How fast did she
move into Brenda's house?
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Tammy moved in a week later.
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They lived together,
got married, raised the kids,
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and then got divorced.
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Brenda's cousin,
Tammy, replaced her
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as soon as Brenda
was out of the picture.
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But how was Tammy so sure
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Brenda wasn't
going to be coming back?
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Did Tammy kill Brenda
for Raymond?
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Did Tammy kill Brenda
with Raymond?
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Or was she really uninvolved
in what happened to her?
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So, the only other big rumor
that comes into play
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when we're trying to figure out
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what to do with
what happened to Brenda
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is what do we do with the fact
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that Mark Cook goes
missing six months later, right?
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In a small town like this,
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one missing person
is pretty dang rare.
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But two in six months,
that is unheard of.
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24-year-old Mark Cook was
last seen on January the 14th
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at a local bar called Pedro's.
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You gotta understand
this is a small town,
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tight knit community,
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everybody knows
everybody from school.
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Brenda Lambert
and Mark Cook knew each other
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and there was a lot
of talk that she's missing.
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All of a sudden, he's missing.
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Maybe there was more
than just a friendship.
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Lot of talk
and innuendo of, well,
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maybe she ran away with
Mark Cook, found another life.
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Thirty years ago
in Mercer County,
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how can two
different people go missing?
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Could they be related?
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We're just going to
go see how far we can go
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down that trail
and see what we come up with.
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If Brenda and Mark
were having an affair,
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is it possible that
Raymond's jealousy caused him
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to kill Brenda and then
seek revenge against Mark?
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Could-- could it
have been someone else?
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Are their disappearances
even connected at all?
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Any way you look at it,
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if we're going to
solve Brenda's case,
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we need to take
a look at Mark's case too.
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Brenda and Raymond's son
was just a baby
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when she went missing.
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And today, he's still
very close with his dad.
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And their daughter
tragically passed away
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just a few years ago.
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But Brenda had six
brothers and sisters.
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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- Hello.
- And through the years,
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it's been her sister, Christy,
who has dedicated herself
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to try and figure
out what's happened.
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Writing countless emails
to investigators full of tips
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and leads and questions.
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Today, we're meeting
with her and her brother, Tim.
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We're excited
to talk to you all.
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Oh, well,
I'm excited to talk to you.
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So, we're here to talk about
Brenda and what she was like.
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She was fun
growing up with as a kid.
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She's a tomboy
and she liked climbing trees.
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How far did she go in school?
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She was feisty
and the principal begged my mom
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to let her quit at 15.
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You're kidding, how come?
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He just wanted her out of there
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because she
wanted to pull pranks.
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- Did you know that?
- I did not know that.
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She never grew up out
of the childlike stage,
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but she was
a really good mother.
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00:09:51,691 --> 00:09:53,827
She did love her kids
with her heart.
251
00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,628
She didn't walk off.
252
00:09:55,662 --> 00:09:57,397
She would have
never left her kids.
253
00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:59,165
- No.
- Okay.
254
00:09:59,199 --> 00:10:01,968
And she would not let
them kids go with Raymond,
255
00:10:02,002 --> 00:10:03,670
I guarantee it.
256
00:10:03,703 --> 00:10:05,705
She was just exciting
to be around, you know.
257
00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:09,042
She liked to play around,
laugh a lot, cut up,
258
00:10:09,075 --> 00:10:11,311
and she was a great mother.
259
00:10:11,344 --> 00:10:13,480
She loved her kids.
260
00:10:13,513 --> 00:10:15,015
That's the reason I know
261
00:10:15,048 --> 00:10:16,683
she didn't walk
off like they said.
262
00:10:16,716 --> 00:10:20,286
As soon as I heard that,
I said, "No, she didn't."
263
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,056
No, she didn't.
264
00:10:23,089 --> 00:10:27,060
Go back to back then,
to late '80s, early '90s.
265
00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:30,497
What was going on in Brenda's
world and Raymond's world?
266
00:10:30,530 --> 00:10:34,200
Me and Raymond was
working at a chicken plant.
267
00:10:34,234 --> 00:10:36,636
That's how he met Brenda,
268
00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:38,905
coming down to pick me up
and take me home.
269
00:10:38,938 --> 00:10:40,874
Did you want
them to start dating?
270
00:10:40,907 --> 00:10:43,443
Well, I didn't mind it at first
because I didn't know him.
271
00:10:43,476 --> 00:10:45,245
Cause I rode with
him for three months.
272
00:10:45,278 --> 00:10:47,714
- And?
- I didn't like him very much.
273
00:10:47,747 --> 00:10:49,182
How come?
274
00:10:49,215 --> 00:10:50,717
Well, he'd stop
on a river bridge.
275
00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:52,686
He said if you
ever kill anybody,
276
00:10:52,719 --> 00:10:54,554
there's a swirl
rack down on that river,
277
00:10:54,587 --> 00:10:56,523
just throw them in there.
278
00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:58,858
Tie a block to her feet
and they'll go down in and out.
279
00:10:58,892 --> 00:11:00,694
Are you thinking
he's full of [bleep]
280
00:11:00,727 --> 00:11:02,595
and he's just trying
to impress you? He's messed up.
281
00:11:02,629 --> 00:11:04,230
That's what I thought.
He's full of [bleep].
282
00:11:04,264 --> 00:11:05,732
So, you didn't
think he was really capable
283
00:11:05,765 --> 00:11:07,300
of doing all these things?
284
00:11:07,334 --> 00:11:09,302
- No, not at the time.
- Not at the time.
285
00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:10,670
All right.
286
00:11:14,941 --> 00:11:16,676
I'm done.
287
00:11:18,244 --> 00:11:20,080
It's okay, Tim.
288
00:11:23,783 --> 00:11:25,585
Did you have any clue
289
00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:27,554
that things were not
going well in their marriage?
290
00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:30,590
Yes.
291
00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:33,226
I know they was
getting ready to get a divorce.
292
00:11:33,259 --> 00:11:35,862
- Did you know about the abuse?
- No.
293
00:11:35,895 --> 00:11:37,697
Did you know he was
running around on her?
294
00:11:37,731 --> 00:11:39,866
Yeah, that's why
they was getting a divorce.
295
00:11:39,899 --> 00:11:41,601
When did you
start hearing anything
296
00:11:41,634 --> 00:11:42,869
about Tammy and Raymond?
297
00:11:42,902 --> 00:11:44,637
Just around the birthday party.
298
00:11:44,671 --> 00:11:46,573
- I didn't know Tammy.
- But she's your cousin.
299
00:11:46,606 --> 00:11:48,842
Yeah, but she lived
in Missouri all her life.
300
00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,177
Oh, so she's kind
of like the new girl in town.
301
00:11:51,211 --> 00:11:52,645
Yeah.
302
00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,114
So, Brenda
didn't know her either?
303
00:11:54,114 --> 00:11:55,815
- No.
- Good to know. Thank you.
304
00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:58,618
So, Christy, how come
of all the family members,
305
00:11:58,651 --> 00:12:00,920
you've sort
of appointed yourself
306
00:12:00,954 --> 00:12:03,423
to be the one to
communicate with him the most?
307
00:12:03,456 --> 00:12:05,525
I mean, I just wanted to.
308
00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:07,293
And it was just
like a fire in me.
309
00:12:07,327 --> 00:12:09,496
I had to find her.
And I still do.
310
00:12:09,529 --> 00:12:10,797
I can't give up on her.
311
00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:12,766
Brenda was like a second mom.
312
00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,601
He was like my other dad.
313
00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:16,336
I was with them so much
314
00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:18,238
that their kids were
like my brother and sister.
315
00:12:18,271 --> 00:12:21,307
It still hurts to think
that he might have killed her.
316
00:12:21,341 --> 00:12:23,076
- Complicated.
- Very.
317
00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:25,679
It's been hard
carrying this on my shoulders
318
00:12:25,712 --> 00:12:27,947
from trying to
get answers for Brenda.
319
00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:29,816
I mean,
she's been gone for 30 years,
320
00:12:29,849 --> 00:12:32,986
and there's never
any hope whatsoever.
321
00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:36,423
Not until Cold Justice
showed up, you know.
322
00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:38,858
I try not to be hopeless,
323
00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:42,195
but this has been
the most hope that we've had.
324
00:12:42,228 --> 00:12:44,097
Give me a hug.
325
00:12:51,171 --> 00:12:53,840
* Whoa, the time may come *
326
00:12:54,507 --> 00:12:57,744
* Swallow up the land I'm from *
327
00:12:57,777 --> 00:13:00,814
* Whoa, how the time may come *
328
00:13:00,847 --> 00:13:04,484
* Drown my woes,
the tide has come *
329
00:13:04,517 --> 00:13:06,419
The first thing we want to do
330
00:13:06,453 --> 00:13:08,221
is try and get
a really good understanding
331
00:13:08,254 --> 00:13:10,156
of all the key locations
in this case.
332
00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:13,593
So, we've asked Brenda's
sister, Christy, for her help.
333
00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:15,562
Brenda's house is
no longer standing,
334
00:13:15,595 --> 00:13:18,431
but Christy's first
hand knowledge of the area
335
00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,166
could really be invaluable
336
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,669
in helping us understand
Raymond's story
337
00:13:22,702 --> 00:13:24,671
and his family's land,
338
00:13:24,704 --> 00:13:26,373
where the sheriff's
department thinks
339
00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:27,974
that Brenda might be buried.
340
00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:29,876
You know,
when I first moved back here,
341
00:13:29,909 --> 00:13:32,212
it floored me
how much had changed.
342
00:13:32,245 --> 00:13:34,080
Why did you move back?
343
00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,483
To get closer to do something
with Brenda's case.
344
00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:38,885
Because it's just so hard.
345
00:13:38,918 --> 00:13:40,720
When I was living
in Tennessee, you know,
346
00:13:40,754 --> 00:13:42,922
I would make trips
in and the phone calls
347
00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:45,091
and stuff like that.
It was a lot harder than me
348
00:13:45,091 --> 00:13:47,394
just being able to go up
to the courthouse and like,
349
00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:49,229
"Hey, let's talk about this."
350
00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:50,764
You see just down
this road right here
351
00:13:50,797 --> 00:13:52,599
is where Brenda lived.
352
00:13:52,632 --> 00:13:55,201
* Darkness left
where the sunlight's been *
353
00:13:55,235 --> 00:13:58,371
* Darkness now, my only friend *
354
00:13:58,405 --> 00:14:02,042
So, Christy, tell us
what it was like 30 years ago.
355
00:14:02,075 --> 00:14:04,310
The house was way back there
at the end of the property.
356
00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:05,712
So, what was
the closest neighbor
357
00:14:05,745 --> 00:14:07,313
to Brenda and Raymond back then?
358
00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,315
I think all the way over here.
359
00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:11,084
Even if you got
into a screaming match,
360
00:14:11,117 --> 00:14:12,585
you're not
going to hear anything.
361
00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:14,387
According to Raymond,
Brenda said
362
00:14:14,421 --> 00:14:16,222
she was going to ride
up the mountain that night,
363
00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:18,091
but didn't specify
where she was going.
364
00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:19,626
But her car was
found at her house,
365
00:14:19,659 --> 00:14:21,761
along with her purse,
keys and shoes.
366
00:14:21,795 --> 00:14:24,497
A strong indicator
she did not leave voluntarily.
367
00:14:25,565 --> 00:14:27,901
It's hard being in the last
place that she was seen.
368
00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:30,303
I know, but you probably
got some good memories here?
369
00:14:30,337 --> 00:14:32,405
Oh, I got a lot
of good memories.
370
00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:35,375
Raymond returned the next day
to discover Brenda was missing.
371
00:14:35,408 --> 00:14:37,944
But if all of her things
were clearly still in the house,
372
00:14:37,977 --> 00:14:40,380
why would he think she
ran off with somebody else?
373
00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:42,549
Was Raymond actually just
trying to draw attention away
374
00:14:42,582 --> 00:14:44,951
from himself
or his new girlfriend,
375
00:14:44,984 --> 00:14:46,820
Brenda's cousin, Tammy?
376
00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:49,389
So, this whole
drive we're doing right now
377
00:14:49,422 --> 00:14:52,692
would be the drive from
Brenda and Raymond's house
378
00:14:52,726 --> 00:14:54,527
up to the Lambert property?
379
00:14:54,561 --> 00:14:56,629
Yes, that's on
top of the mountain.
380
00:14:56,663 --> 00:14:58,164
They own 200 acres.
381
00:14:58,198 --> 00:15:00,467
So, if he killed
Brenda at the house
382
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:03,169
and brought her up here,
this is the route he's driving?
383
00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:05,538
Yes.
384
00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:08,875
* Grave digger,
gonna bury my neck *
385
00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:13,179
* That'll swallow me
in my grave *
386
00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:16,316
Are we, like in the middle
of Coaldale Mountain?
387
00:15:16,349 --> 00:15:17,817
This is on top of the mountain.
388
00:15:17,851 --> 00:15:19,386
So, the house
Raymond grew up in--
389
00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:21,121
Just a little way up the road.
390
00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:24,424
This way? The land that
you're most interested in
391
00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:26,960
- has been Lambert property.
- It is.
392
00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:29,129
And up until now,
no one has granted you
393
00:15:29,162 --> 00:15:31,431
any permission to
just go checking it out
394
00:15:31,464 --> 00:15:33,266
- and searching and digging?
- Right.
395
00:15:33,299 --> 00:15:35,335
Standing on this mountain
396
00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:40,073
where Raymond's family owns
200 acres of this forest land,
397
00:15:40,073 --> 00:15:43,076
it strikes you how
daunting this landscape is.
398
00:15:43,076 --> 00:15:46,212
If Brenda is out here,
she could be anywhere.
399
00:15:46,246 --> 00:15:47,981
The good thing is,
400
00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:50,083
you don't have to have a body
to prove a murder.
401
00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:54,487
It's tragic that
people can just be here one day
402
00:15:54,521 --> 00:15:57,190
and gone the next.
403
00:15:57,223 --> 00:16:00,660
Nobody should
be treated that way.
404
00:16:00,694 --> 00:16:04,664
* Follow me fast
and then I flee *
405
00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:14,908
Okay, so now
we're gonna Kay, huh?
406
00:16:14,941 --> 00:16:17,210
It's time for us to
dive into the witnesses
407
00:16:17,243 --> 00:16:20,747
in Brenda's world, starting
with her older sister, Kay.
408
00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,382
We know they were close.
409
00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:24,751
Kay gave birth
to a little baby girl
410
00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:27,053
just three weeks
after Brenda vanished
411
00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:28,755
and she named her after Brenda.
412
00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:30,590
- Hello.
- Hey, is this Kay?
413
00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:33,259
- Yes.
- Hopefully, Kay knows more
414
00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:35,895
about Brenda and Raymond's
estranged relationship
415
00:16:35,929 --> 00:16:37,864
and the possibility
that her disappearance
416
00:16:37,897 --> 00:16:40,066
is connected to Mark Cook.
417
00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:42,268
Do you think that
Raymond thought that
418
00:16:42,302 --> 00:16:44,571
Mark Cook and Brenda were
messing around with each other?
419
00:16:56,750 --> 00:16:59,819
Do you ever
remember Raymond and Brenda,
420
00:16:59,853 --> 00:17:02,455
if there was
any type of arguing?
421
00:17:48,335 --> 00:17:50,837
We know that Brenda
filed a protective order
422
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:53,740
against Raymond in the weeks
before her disappearance,
423
00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:55,275
claiming that he was violent.
424
00:17:55,308 --> 00:17:57,143
But it's much
worse than I appreciated.
425
00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:04,784
How close in time did you
see red rings around her neck
426
00:18:04,818 --> 00:18:07,120
compared to when
she ends up missing?
427
00:18:09,689 --> 00:18:11,224
Wow. Okay.
428
00:18:21,568 --> 00:18:24,037
Was she really about to
go through with the divorce,
429
00:18:24,037 --> 00:18:25,238
do you think?
430
00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:32,545
It sounds like regardless
of Raymond's affair
431
00:18:32,579 --> 00:18:35,548
with her cousin, Brenda,
knew that her marriage was over.
432
00:18:35,582 --> 00:18:38,051
In the world
of domestic violence cases,
433
00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:42,622
strangulation is the ultimate
act of control by the abuser.
434
00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:45,191
And a woman who
has been strangled
435
00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:49,195
by her partner previously
is 750% more likely
436
00:18:49,229 --> 00:18:51,064
to be killed by that partner.
437
00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:52,665
That's all I can think of
438
00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:54,300
that we need to
ask you right now, Kay.
439
00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:55,568
Thank you very
much for your help.
440
00:18:55,602 --> 00:18:57,070
Oh, thank you.
441
00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:08,048
Okay, so you call her
442
00:19:09,015 --> 00:19:11,051
and you just start ask
her all those questions,
443
00:19:11,084 --> 00:19:13,219
and I'm going to make
sure we cover everything
444
00:19:13,253 --> 00:19:15,288
- before you hang up, okay?
- Okay, sounds great.
445
00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:17,724
We've heard that
Brenda Lambert's disappearance
446
00:19:17,757 --> 00:19:19,225
had nothing to
do with Mark Cook,
447
00:19:19,259 --> 00:19:21,227
but more to do
with her relationship
448
00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:23,897
and her decision to
divorce her husband, Raymond.
449
00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:25,799
And it's possible
that her cousin, Tammy,
450
00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,400
was involved as well.
451
00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:29,035
But why that night?
452
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:31,905
Hey, is this Kathy?
453
00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:34,774
We're hoping that Brenda's
sister, Kat, knows more.
454
00:19:34,808 --> 00:19:36,776
Did you know anything
455
00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:38,545
about Brenda
having an appointment
456
00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:41,948
on July the 30th
to meet with a legal aid lawyer?
457
00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:49,356
And so, he didn't
want to get divorced
458
00:19:49,389 --> 00:19:51,057
because he knew he
could either lose the kids
459
00:19:51,057 --> 00:19:52,759
or had to split up custody, huh?
460
00:19:56,796 --> 00:20:00,467
Wow. Raymond said that
he would see Brenda dead
461
00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:02,102
before letting
her take their kids.
462
00:20:02,135 --> 00:20:04,637
So, he was not only
losing control of Brenda,
463
00:20:04,671 --> 00:20:06,906
he was also
possibly losing his house
464
00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:08,775
and custody of his kids.
465
00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:10,510
It makes you wonder
466
00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:12,912
if it all came to a head
that night of the birthday party
467
00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,515
and he lost control
of himself too.
468
00:20:32,165 --> 00:20:34,167
Okay, talk about that threat.
What do you mean?
469
00:20:45,378 --> 00:20:46,579
What is it?
470
00:20:53,486 --> 00:20:56,756
Man, according to Kat,
471
00:20:56,790 --> 00:20:58,858
Brenda threatened Raymond
that she was going
472
00:20:58,892 --> 00:21:01,194
to go to the authorities
with information about a crime
473
00:21:01,227 --> 00:21:03,129
that his family had committed.
474
00:21:03,163 --> 00:21:05,932
We've got no evidence
that they committed that crime,
475
00:21:05,965 --> 00:21:07,667
and maybe Brenda didn't either.
476
00:21:07,701 --> 00:21:10,637
But if Raymond thought
she did or feared she did,
477
00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,339
could that have made him snap?
478
00:21:12,372 --> 00:21:14,474
When was the next
time you saw Raymond?
479
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:27,554
What does he look like?
How's he acting?
480
00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:30,924
Okay.
481
00:21:36,196 --> 00:21:38,098
Raymond told
the sheriff's department
482
00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:39,799
that he did not
return to their house
483
00:21:39,833 --> 00:21:41,668
until 2:30 that next day.
484
00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:43,503
So, how come he's
telling Kat at midnight
485
00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:45,638
that he can't
find Brenda at home?
486
00:21:45,672 --> 00:21:47,407
I appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot.
487
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,875
All right, thank you.
488
00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:50,643
Did he return
to her house or not?
489
00:21:50,677 --> 00:21:53,713
Did he forget or did
he just blow his own alibi?
490
00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:05,558
We've been hearing a lot
of evidence against Raymond,
491
00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:07,060
but we have another suspect
492
00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:08,862
that may have
also wanted Brenda dead.
493
00:22:08,895 --> 00:22:10,296
Her own cousin, Tammy.
494
00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:12,098
Tammy was having
an affair with Raymond
495
00:22:12,132 --> 00:22:14,567
and moved in just days
after Brenda's disappearance
496
00:22:14,601 --> 00:22:17,137
and married him about as
quickly as legally possible.
497
00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:19,305
- Hi.
- Hi.
498
00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:21,141
Hey, Bonnie. How you doing?
499
00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:24,110
All right.
500
00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:25,812
Tammy's mother, Bonnie,
has always defended her.
501
00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:27,380
But what we want to know
502
00:22:27,414 --> 00:22:29,082
is what is she
going to tell us today?
503
00:22:29,115 --> 00:22:30,550
Tammy and Raymond
are no longer together.
504
00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:33,086
And after all,
Brenda is her own niece.
505
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,521
You know why we're here?
506
00:22:35,522 --> 00:22:37,323
Yeah.
507
00:22:48,501 --> 00:22:50,203
Right.
508
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,255
- Raymond did?
- Raymond did.
509
00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:11,057
That's that Sunday night?
510
00:23:24,137 --> 00:23:26,139
According to Bonnie,
Raymond called
511
00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:28,341
asking about Brenda
at about 11 o'clock,
512
00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:30,310
about an hour
before he showed up
513
00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:32,545
at Brenda's sister's house
stating he was looking for her.
514
00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:35,448
This sounds a lot like he
was trying to craft an alibi.
515
00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:36,716
What did you think right away
516
00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:38,084
when you
couldn't get hold of her?
517
00:23:52,232 --> 00:23:54,601
Brenda's daughter
states that she saw Raymond
518
00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:57,804
and his late father on
and off the mountain all night.
519
00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:59,372
Did Brenda's
threat to Raymond's family
520
00:23:59,406 --> 00:24:01,341
get them involved
with what happened to her?
521
00:24:01,374 --> 00:24:03,510
Or is Bonnie just pointing
fingers away from her daughter?
522
00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:06,312
Unfortunately, Brenda's
own daughter is not alive
523
00:24:06,346 --> 00:24:07,781
to confirm this story.
524
00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:09,449
And Raymond's dad
is not alive either.
525
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,551
But things are definitely
getting interesting.
526
00:24:11,584 --> 00:24:14,888
Did Tammy ever ask
Raymond if he killed Brenda?
527
00:24:23,797 --> 00:24:25,131
Really?
528
00:24:59,332 --> 00:25:01,067
Okay, I'm gonna
put my camera right here
529
00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:03,770
and film you from the back seat.
530
00:25:03,803 --> 00:25:06,039
- Okay.
- Joe has made contact
531
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,675
with a confidential informant
claiming to have information
532
00:25:08,708 --> 00:25:12,746
about both Brenda Lambert
and Mark Cook's disappearance.
533
00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:15,715
We've heard that
there's no truth to the fact
534
00:25:15,749 --> 00:25:18,051
that Branda and Mark
were having an affair,
535
00:25:18,051 --> 00:25:19,919
but is it possible
that their disappearances
536
00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:22,222
might still be connected
in some other way?
537
00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:24,891
You told me about two murders
that you knew about.
538
00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:27,894
Start from there.
539
00:25:50,183 --> 00:25:53,920
We heard that Mark Cook
was last seen at Pedro's Bar,
540
00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:56,289
which is
consistent with this story,
541
00:25:56,322 --> 00:25:59,125
as are many of the other
details we're hearing.
542
00:25:59,159 --> 00:26:01,928
I'm not sure that
with just this one witness,
543
00:26:02,028 --> 00:26:05,465
you would be able to prove
in court who killed Mark.
544
00:26:05,498 --> 00:26:08,435
But according to this witness,
it wasn't Raymond.
545
00:26:08,468 --> 00:26:11,604
So, when you heard all these
stories floating around town
546
00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:13,940
about Brenda's
murder being connected
547
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,475
to Mark Cook's murder
548
00:26:15,508 --> 00:26:17,310
because maybe they
were messing around.
549
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,048
Never flirted that you saw?
550
00:26:23,283 --> 00:26:25,719
What's the best information
you've ever heard
551
00:26:25,752 --> 00:26:29,856
or come up with as to
what happened to Brenda?
552
00:27:03,223 --> 00:27:05,025
Have you ever heard anything
553
00:27:05,058 --> 00:27:08,294
or do you have any ideas
on where Raymond would've put--
554
00:27:19,939 --> 00:27:22,575
Brenda's sister told us
that Brenda threatened to go
555
00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:24,511
to the sheriff's department
with information
556
00:27:24,544 --> 00:27:26,112
on Rayond's family,
557
00:27:26,146 --> 00:27:28,848
and their daughter
allegedly saw Raymond
558
00:27:28,882 --> 00:27:32,519
with his father on and off
the mountain all that night.
559
00:27:32,552 --> 00:27:35,355
When you add what
this informant is saying
560
00:27:35,388 --> 00:27:38,458
to all the other
credible witnesses that we have,
561
00:27:38,491 --> 00:27:41,494
this is a big deal.
This is good information.
562
00:27:51,471 --> 00:27:53,673
***
563
00:27:55,542 --> 00:27:57,344
Okay, she's home.
I see her car.
564
00:27:57,377 --> 00:28:00,113
We feel that we can
eliminate the idea
565
00:28:00,146 --> 00:28:02,282
that there was any connection
between the disappearance
566
00:28:02,315 --> 00:28:04,117
of Brenda Lambert and Mark Cook,
567
00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:06,453
which means that
we can focus our attention
568
00:28:06,486 --> 00:28:08,421
back on Raymond and Tammy.
569
00:28:08,455 --> 00:28:10,056
You must be Miss Tammy.
570
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:11,691
Yes, I am.
571
00:28:11,725 --> 00:28:14,194
We believe that
Brenda's husband, Raymond,
572
00:28:14,227 --> 00:28:17,030
and his late father
may be involved,
573
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:18,932
but we need to consider
that her cousin, Tammy,
574
00:28:19,032 --> 00:28:20,767
may have been too.
575
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,603
If she played a part,
maybe she'll implicate herself
576
00:28:23,636 --> 00:28:25,405
or if she knows anything
577
00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:27,407
about Raymond's
possible involvement,
578
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,910
now that they're divorced,
maybe she'll tell us that.
579
00:28:30,944 --> 00:28:33,346
Let's talk about
the birthday party day again,
580
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,949
July the 26th, 1992.
581
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:40,120
Everybody started leaving
and Raymond told me
582
00:28:40,153 --> 00:28:42,522
that his mom and dad
was going to take the kids
583
00:28:42,555 --> 00:28:44,524
on the mountain.
584
00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:49,429
That next day, me and her
sisters went to the house.
585
00:28:49,462 --> 00:28:53,933
Brenda's purse was there,
car keys was there,
586
00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:56,069
but no sign of Brenda.
587
00:28:56,069 --> 00:29:00,407
I didn't think nothing of him
doing anything at that time.
588
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,309
It's kind of odd that
Tammy didn't think that much
589
00:29:03,343 --> 00:29:06,312
about Brenda going missing,
especially when it feels like
590
00:29:06,346 --> 00:29:08,314
everybody else knew
about Raymond's abuse.
591
00:29:08,348 --> 00:29:11,618
Then again, Tammy was in
a relationship with Raymond,
592
00:29:11,651 --> 00:29:13,286
and she was crazy about him,
593
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:15,088
so maybe she
was blinded by love.
594
00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:19,359
In 1991, you moved
to West Virginia with your mom,
595
00:29:19,392 --> 00:29:21,428
and you knew you
had these cousins,
596
00:29:21,461 --> 00:29:22,929
Brenda and her sisters,
597
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:24,464
but y'all never
had family reunions
598
00:29:24,497 --> 00:29:26,099
or hung out
or anything like that?
599
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:29,469
No. I didn't know Brenda
and Raymond was married.
600
00:29:29,502 --> 00:29:32,472
He wasn't with Brenda
when I met him.
601
00:29:32,505 --> 00:29:35,375
But then Brenda
was going out with us
602
00:29:35,408 --> 00:29:37,143
and talking to us and stuff,
603
00:29:37,177 --> 00:29:39,245
and she-- she told us
she was done with him.
604
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,147
She didn't want
nothing else to do with him.
605
00:29:41,181 --> 00:29:44,050
Okay, so what did she tell
you about him being abusive,
606
00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:46,052
if anything?
607
00:29:46,086 --> 00:29:48,755
She didn't tell me nothing
about him being abusive to her.
608
00:29:48,788 --> 00:29:50,724
- Okay.
- Nothing.
609
00:29:50,757 --> 00:29:53,093
Because we can't figure out
why you would want to date a man
610
00:29:53,126 --> 00:29:54,828
that you thought
was abusive to Brenda.
611
00:29:54,861 --> 00:29:57,530
I mean, yeah,
I know what y'all are thinking.
612
00:29:57,564 --> 00:29:59,566
Like, this is
a married man and woman.
613
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:01,134
Here you come in the picture,
614
00:30:01,167 --> 00:30:04,371
and then you
probably will sit there
615
00:30:04,404 --> 00:30:07,040
and kill her over him and stuff.
616
00:30:07,073 --> 00:30:09,476
No, I'm not that type of person
617
00:30:09,509 --> 00:30:12,712
that I'd never,
ever hurt nobody over a man.
618
00:30:12,746 --> 00:30:14,514
They were having problems
619
00:30:14,547 --> 00:30:17,150
way before I even came
in the picture.
620
00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,019
I'm not making excuses for me.
621
00:30:19,052 --> 00:30:23,023
Believe me,
I'm living with it every day
622
00:30:23,056 --> 00:30:26,893
that I got with a married man.
623
00:30:26,926 --> 00:30:29,896
What all did
Raymond tell you about
624
00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:33,199
what he thought about
his marriage with Brenda?
625
00:30:33,233 --> 00:30:36,269
I remember one time
Raymond telling me,
626
00:30:36,302 --> 00:30:38,271
he said that she went to go,
627
00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:40,240
she was going to
go file for divorce,
628
00:30:40,273 --> 00:30:41,808
and there was
no way he was going
629
00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:43,910
to let her have
the house and the kids.
630
00:30:43,943 --> 00:30:45,478
Raymond is the type of man,
631
00:30:45,512 --> 00:30:48,281
what's his is his
and what was mine was his.
632
00:30:48,314 --> 00:30:52,452
At the time,
I thought she actually ran off.
633
00:30:52,485 --> 00:30:55,221
But then,
when things started going by,
634
00:30:55,255 --> 00:30:58,591
like her kid graduating,
her mom passing
635
00:30:58,625 --> 00:31:05,365
and she didn't come back then,
then I started thinking
636
00:31:05,398 --> 00:31:06,900
she didn't run off.
637
00:31:06,933 --> 00:31:08,902
And then when you
started thinking that,
638
00:31:08,935 --> 00:31:10,870
did you start asking
Raymond any questions?
639
00:31:10,904 --> 00:31:12,472
Why not?
640
00:31:12,505 --> 00:31:14,641
I was scared to death
to ask him anything.
641
00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:17,644
- Because?
- Because he was abusive.
642
00:31:17,677 --> 00:31:20,480
He would smack you,
he would choke you.
643
00:31:20,513 --> 00:31:23,983
He would backhand me
with his hand and black my eye.
644
00:31:24,084 --> 00:31:25,952
He was taking women
to the house.
645
00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:28,088
I caught him at work
with a hooker.
646
00:31:28,088 --> 00:31:29,723
You start seeing him do this.
647
00:31:31,424 --> 00:31:33,426
He's lying. He's lying.
648
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:36,363
I learned that over the years.
[laughing]
649
00:31:36,396 --> 00:31:38,832
He gets like an itch
when he's or he's--
650
00:31:38,865 --> 00:31:40,200
- Or he's--
- He's really fidgety.
651
00:31:40,233 --> 00:31:43,136
Yeah, yawning or something.
652
00:31:43,169 --> 00:31:45,505
As you started figuring out
what he was really like
653
00:31:45,538 --> 00:31:48,441
and you were with him
and abused by him,
654
00:31:48,475 --> 00:31:50,610
did you ever try
to put together in your head
655
00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:53,179
what happened exactly to Brenda?
656
00:31:53,213 --> 00:31:56,549
Raymond's sister,
she said that Raymond
657
00:31:56,583 --> 00:32:00,854
and his dad left
the mountain that night
658
00:32:00,887 --> 00:32:03,356
and they was gone for hours.
659
00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:07,794
And when they came back,
they went to the sawmill.
660
00:32:07,827 --> 00:32:10,296
This is the second time
we've heard
661
00:32:10,330 --> 00:32:12,699
that Raymond and his dad
were acting strangely
662
00:32:12,732 --> 00:32:14,434
on the mountain that night
663
00:32:14,467 --> 00:32:17,203
and that their family sawmill
was involved.
664
00:32:17,237 --> 00:32:21,374
Did they use that to dispose
of or hide Brenda's body?
665
00:32:21,408 --> 00:32:23,643
I'm just remembering him
telling me
666
00:32:23,677 --> 00:32:26,079
that that in
the state of West Virginia,
667
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,148
it's the law
that you have to have a body
668
00:32:28,181 --> 00:32:29,983
to convict somebody.
669
00:32:30,083 --> 00:32:31,618
- Raymond said that?
- Yeah.
670
00:32:31,651 --> 00:32:33,086
That is not true.
671
00:32:33,086 --> 00:32:34,988
So, do you think
Raymond did it now?
672
00:32:35,088 --> 00:32:38,858
I think he's capable of it,
to tell you the God's truth.
673
00:32:53,006 --> 00:32:54,341
So, if he's not here,
674
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,844
we'll try to get a phone
number for him and all that.
675
00:32:57,877 --> 00:33:00,246
We've got one
last person to talk to
676
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,682
about the 1992 disappearance
of Brenda Lambert,
677
00:33:02,716 --> 00:33:06,319
her husband, and our
prime suspect, Raymond Lambert.
678
00:33:06,353 --> 00:33:08,455
He's been characterized
as abusive and combative.
679
00:33:08,488 --> 00:33:11,291
So, we're not expecting
him to invite us in for a drink.
680
00:33:11,324 --> 00:33:13,360
[knocking on door]
681
00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:18,465
Hey, Raymond. How you doing?
682
00:33:18,498 --> 00:33:20,200
Sorry, to bother you
so early in the morning.
683
00:33:20,233 --> 00:33:22,302
I'm with the sheriff's
department. How you been?
684
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:26,139
So, I came to talk
to you about Brenda.
685
00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:28,074
We just want to, you know,
686
00:33:28,074 --> 00:33:30,343
see if we can close
this out once and for all.
687
00:33:30,377 --> 00:33:33,146
You haven't heard from Brenda
in the last 30 years at all,
688
00:33:47,961 --> 00:33:49,896
We want to see
if Raymond says now
689
00:33:49,929 --> 00:33:51,598
what he said 30 years ago.
690
00:33:51,631 --> 00:33:53,366
How much of his story
has changed
691
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,102
and if he truly believes
that Brenda simply ran away,
692
00:33:56,102 --> 00:33:59,105
is he angry that she
left him to raise their kids?
693
00:33:59,105 --> 00:34:01,441
You didn't think it was funny
that Brenda just takes off,
694
00:34:01,474 --> 00:34:04,310
leaves you and the kids behind?
wNo car, no money?
695
00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:08,615
Yeah. Yeah.
How was your marriage going?
696
00:34:14,054 --> 00:34:15,588
Right, I understand that.
697
00:34:16,589 --> 00:34:18,458
Did you try to make
an attempt to find Brenda?
698
00:34:18,491 --> 00:34:20,293
And nobody could find her?
699
00:34:20,326 --> 00:34:22,629
So what do you remember
about that day, that Sunday?
700
00:34:22,662 --> 00:34:24,164
Was Brenda in a good mood?
701
00:34:25,632 --> 00:34:27,534
Why?
702
00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:29,569
You don't think it had
anything to do with the fact
703
00:34:29,602 --> 00:34:31,404
that Tammy shows up
704
00:34:31,438 --> 00:34:33,406
and she knows that you
and Tammy are doing the nasty?
705
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,442
Were you already having
a relationship with Tammy?
706
00:34:36,676 --> 00:34:38,078
Right.
707
00:34:39,946 --> 00:34:41,481
So, does Brenda suspect
708
00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:42,982
that you're
screwing around with Tammy?
709
00:34:43,083 --> 00:34:44,184
There wasn't?
710
00:34:44,951 --> 00:34:46,553
She knew that? She knew that?
711
00:34:47,454 --> 00:34:49,255
And she wasn't upset about it?
712
00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:51,825
Okay. Were you and Brenda
having sex at that time, too,
713
00:34:51,858 --> 00:34:53,293
or was it pretty much over with?
714
00:34:53,326 --> 00:34:54,394
No?
715
00:34:55,362 --> 00:34:56,996
In relation to the day
she goes missing, right,
716
00:34:57,097 --> 00:34:58,598
that Sunday?
717
00:34:58,631 --> 00:35:00,333
When's the last time
you had sex with Brenda?
718
00:35:03,203 --> 00:35:04,804
By Friday.
719
00:35:04,838 --> 00:35:06,706
Raymond is trying
to sell us the idea
720
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:08,641
that everybody was fine with
him sleeping with everybody,
721
00:35:08,675 --> 00:35:12,145
and that Brenda didn't mind,
but I'm not buying that.
722
00:35:12,178 --> 00:35:13,813
Were you the last
one to leave the party,
723
00:35:13,847 --> 00:35:15,148
or do you remember that?
724
00:35:27,227 --> 00:35:29,062
Tammy told us
that when Raymond lies,
725
00:35:29,062 --> 00:35:31,831
he gets restless, moving
his shoulders and stretching.
726
00:35:31,865 --> 00:35:33,767
It looks like
he's a bit uncomfortable
727
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,169
about the important details
of what happened that night.
728
00:35:36,202 --> 00:35:39,339
When you start
seeing him do this...
729
00:35:39,372 --> 00:35:41,441
he's lying. Or he's--
730
00:35:41,474 --> 00:35:44,477
- He's really fidgety?
- Yeah. Yawning or something.
731
00:35:44,511 --> 00:35:47,080
Now, did she want your daughter
to stay with her that night?
732
00:35:52,352 --> 00:35:55,588
Right. Right.
So Brenda wasn't a great mom?
733
00:35:58,792 --> 00:36:01,828
Earlier that month, Brenda
reported domestic violence
734
00:36:01,861 --> 00:36:03,797
and sought an order
of protection. Is that true?
735
00:36:05,398 --> 00:36:06,933
Against you,
or what was the deal?
736
00:36:08,702 --> 00:36:09,769
Why would that have been, sir?
737
00:36:14,107 --> 00:36:15,575
But there was no
domestic violence?
738
00:36:15,608 --> 00:36:17,043
Nothing?
739
00:36:17,043 --> 00:36:18,078
You never choked her?
740
00:36:19,579 --> 00:36:21,047
Did you ever point a gun at her?
741
00:36:21,348 --> 00:36:23,116
Never did?
742
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:25,652
Kay told us that
Raymond strangled Brenda
743
00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:27,253
on multiple occasions,
744
00:36:27,287 --> 00:36:28,922
and Tammy said that
he strangled her too.
745
00:36:28,955 --> 00:36:31,057
It seems like
Raymond's stretching the truth
746
00:36:31,091 --> 00:36:32,826
as much as his shoulders.
747
00:36:32,859 --> 00:36:34,928
Does your family still
own that sawmill property?
748
00:36:42,869 --> 00:36:45,372
No. Your family doesn't
own the land up there?
749
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:50,744
Would he gave us consensus
750
00:36:50,777 --> 00:36:52,312
to walk around to
look at the property,
751
00:36:52,345 --> 00:36:53,446
you think,
for Brenda's body, or--
752
00:37:01,855 --> 00:37:04,257
Well, I don't have any
other questions. Do you, sir?
753
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,059
All right,
I really appreciate you talking.
754
00:37:06,092 --> 00:37:07,794
We may have to
come back, all right.
755
00:37:07,827 --> 00:37:09,496
First, Raymond says
that his family doesn't own
756
00:37:09,529 --> 00:37:11,398
that property,
but then that they do.
757
00:37:11,431 --> 00:37:13,633
And now, he tells us that
it's too overgrown to be useful
758
00:37:13,667 --> 00:37:15,468
in any type of a police search.
759
00:37:15,502 --> 00:37:18,138
That, ladies and gentlemen,
is a classic flip flop.
760
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:21,274
Oh, interesting guy.
761
00:37:21,307 --> 00:37:22,776
Very.
762
00:37:22,809 --> 00:37:24,411
Did you see how
he acted, though?
763
00:37:24,444 --> 00:37:26,479
- The look on his face.
- I know, I know.
764
00:37:26,513 --> 00:37:30,817
I was like-- That was
a tell to me. I thought.
765
00:37:40,126 --> 00:37:41,928
- Good morning, good morning.
- Good morning.
766
00:37:42,462 --> 00:37:44,164
Hey buddy, how you doing?
767
00:37:44,197 --> 00:37:46,066
We've uncovered a lot
of circumstantial evidence
768
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:48,535
about the disappearance
of Brenda Lambert
769
00:37:48,568 --> 00:37:50,337
and the possible connection
770
00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:52,706
to the disappearance
of Mark Cook.
771
00:37:52,739 --> 00:37:57,677
Do we believe that
what happened to Mark Cook
772
00:37:57,711 --> 00:38:01,348
is related to what happened
to Brenda Lambert?
773
00:38:01,381 --> 00:38:04,384
I have enough confidence
in both of these cases
774
00:38:04,417 --> 00:38:06,019
that it's not.
775
00:38:06,052 --> 00:38:08,321
Did we hear one
single piece of evidence--
776
00:38:08,355 --> 00:38:10,156
- No.
- That makes us think
777
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,891
- that they are connected?
- No.
778
00:38:11,925 --> 00:38:13,693
Not at all. Despite the rumors,
779
00:38:13,727 --> 00:38:17,030
there's no evidence
that Brenda and Mark
780
00:38:17,063 --> 00:38:18,865
were in a relationship
781
00:38:18,898 --> 00:38:20,667
or that there's any connection
to their disappearances.
782
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:24,337
Their disappearances seem
to be just a tragic coincidence.
783
00:38:24,371 --> 00:38:27,207
So, the link is done.
784
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,210
Okay, let's talk about
the suspects in Brenda's case,
785
00:38:30,243 --> 00:38:32,112
Tammy Lambert.
786
00:38:32,145 --> 00:38:34,047
We're trying to say because
she hooked up with Raymond
787
00:38:34,047 --> 00:38:36,182
so close after
the disappearance of Brenda
788
00:38:36,216 --> 00:38:37,717
that she's involved with this.
789
00:38:37,751 --> 00:38:39,386
I don't think
that's true at all.
790
00:38:39,419 --> 00:38:41,688
I think Tammy's young,
she's impressionable.
791
00:38:41,721 --> 00:38:44,958
She's been scared
to death for 30 years.
792
00:38:45,058 --> 00:38:48,294
Not only is Tammy not involved
793
00:38:48,328 --> 00:38:50,864
or guilty at all in
what happened to Brenda,
794
00:38:50,897 --> 00:38:52,732
she's going to be
your best part of your case.
795
00:38:52,766 --> 00:38:54,100
She's going to
be your best witness.
796
00:38:54,134 --> 00:38:55,902
Yeah.
797
00:38:55,935 --> 00:38:58,605
Tammy was having an
affair with Brenda's husband,
798
00:38:58,638 --> 00:39:01,041
but she's always
been honest about it
799
00:39:01,074 --> 00:39:03,209
and believed
their marriage was over.
800
00:39:03,243 --> 00:39:06,212
She has always been cooperative
with the investigation.
801
00:39:06,246 --> 00:39:08,181
She was cooperative with us.
802
00:39:08,214 --> 00:39:10,784
She never hesitated
to answer any of our questions,
803
00:39:10,817 --> 00:39:12,886
even the very difficult
questions.
804
00:39:12,919 --> 00:39:15,922
In some ways,
Tammy was a victim here, too.
805
00:39:16,022 --> 00:39:18,591
Last but not least,
Raymond Lambert.
806
00:39:18,625 --> 00:39:20,126
Let's be real honest.
807
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,028
You think she
ran off with some man
808
00:39:22,028 --> 00:39:23,697
and left her babies
behind with no shoes,
809
00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:25,865
no purse, no car, no money?
810
00:39:25,899 --> 00:39:27,767
- No way.
- Hell no.
811
00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:29,569
That's his defense.
812
00:39:29,602 --> 00:39:32,072
She ran off and left her
babies for their whole lives.
813
00:39:32,105 --> 00:39:33,940
Okay, bull[bleep].
814
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,608
She loved her kids
815
00:39:35,642 --> 00:39:37,677
and she would not
let them kids go with Raymond.
816
00:39:37,711 --> 00:39:39,212
I guarantee it.
817
00:39:39,245 --> 00:39:40,680
So, the day
of the birthday party,
818
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:42,549
Brenda's acting funny
by all accounts.
819
00:39:42,582 --> 00:39:44,217
Their marriage
was falling apart.
820
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:45,885
So, he didn't
want to get divorced
821
00:39:45,919 --> 00:39:47,520
because he knew he
could either lose the kids
822
00:39:47,554 --> 00:39:49,122
or have to
split up custody, huh?
823
00:39:53,326 --> 00:39:55,495
She knew the day of the birthday
party was going to be
824
00:39:55,528 --> 00:39:57,664
a day of reckoning, and they
were about to get into it.
825
00:39:57,697 --> 00:39:59,232
She was about
to leave him forever
826
00:39:59,265 --> 00:40:01,167
or try to and keep his house.
827
00:40:01,201 --> 00:40:04,170
This man that put fingers
on her neck
828
00:40:04,204 --> 00:40:05,905
and tried to strangle
829
00:40:05,939 --> 00:40:07,874
her and beat the [bleep]
out of her for many years.
830
00:40:17,183 --> 00:40:20,286
I think Raymond,
her got into an argument.
831
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,288
He's done something.
832
00:40:22,322 --> 00:40:26,760
And he went to his daddy
and said, "Hey, I'm in trouble."
833
00:40:26,793 --> 00:40:28,728
And he said,
"Let's take care of it."
834
00:40:37,303 --> 00:40:38,972
And then what else happened?
835
00:40:39,005 --> 00:40:41,207
According to the sisters,
about 11:00 that night...
836
00:40:49,115 --> 00:40:50,917
- Why's he worried about Brenda?
- He just left.
837
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:52,986
That's weird.
Use your common sense.
838
00:40:53,019 --> 00:40:56,189
When you start seeing
him do this, he's lying.
839
00:40:56,222 --> 00:40:58,224
- Or he's--
- Just really fidgety.
840
00:40:58,258 --> 00:41:00,193
Yeah, and yawning.
841
00:41:00,226 --> 00:41:01,795
Were you the last one
to leave the party?
842
00:41:07,067 --> 00:41:10,070
Tammy and Brenda's sisters
and Bonnie,
843
00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:11,738
they're all believable,
844
00:41:11,771 --> 00:41:13,640
and they're all telling you
the same thing.
845
00:41:13,673 --> 00:41:15,508
He's the person
that had the motive
846
00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:17,577
and the opportunity
and the means.
847
00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:20,080
Your case is never going to get
any better than is right now.
848
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,916
We want Raymond Lambert arrested
for first degree murder.
849
00:41:22,949 --> 00:41:24,551
Nice. Nice.
850
00:41:24,584 --> 00:41:26,886
Circumstantial evidence
cases don't always
851
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,555
get better than this.
852
00:41:28,588 --> 00:41:30,657
And it's time for us
to present everything
853
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:32,325
that we've learned
854
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:33,827
to the Mercer County
prosecuting attorney.
855
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:35,095
Good luck, man.
856
00:41:35,095 --> 00:41:39,399
***
857
00:41:51,344 --> 00:41:55,315
Never got to do this
kind of news delivery before
858
00:41:55,348 --> 00:41:56,916
in your career, or have you?
859
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:59,252
- No, I have not.
- After all these years,
860
00:41:59,285 --> 00:42:01,287
you get to be the guy
that tells them some news.
861
00:42:01,321 --> 00:42:03,523
Feels great. I'm so excited.
862
00:42:03,556 --> 00:42:05,959
There's no way we could
have got this close at all
863
00:42:06,059 --> 00:42:08,361
without the help from
Cold Justice.No way at all.
864
00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:10,897
I'm retiring in a month.
865
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:13,633
I wanted to see
if I still had it,
866
00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:15,402
to be able to close a case.
867
00:42:15,435 --> 00:42:17,637
This is the hardest case
the department had.
868
00:42:17,671 --> 00:42:19,639
And I'm ready to go
in front of the family.
869
00:42:19,673 --> 00:42:22,075
And I feel good about it.
870
00:42:22,108 --> 00:42:24,444
So, I had a meeting
with the prosecutor.
871
00:42:24,477 --> 00:42:26,079
Okay.
872
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,314
He wants to look at
a few things.
873
00:42:28,348 --> 00:42:30,850
I don't want to go
into too much specifics,
874
00:42:30,884 --> 00:42:33,086
but they are
really, really good.
875
00:42:33,086 --> 00:42:34,921
Mmm. Okay.
876
00:42:35,989 --> 00:42:38,892
Things are gonna start moving
like you've never seen.
877
00:42:38,925 --> 00:42:40,727
I mean, it's already have.
878
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,462
I mean,
it's already moved further
879
00:42:42,495 --> 00:42:44,597
than I've ever seen it move.
I want to tell you,
880
00:42:44,631 --> 00:42:46,433
I appreciate everyone
of y'all for what you do.
881
00:42:46,466 --> 00:42:47,901
You're very welcome.
882
00:42:47,934 --> 00:42:49,369
I'm kind of lost for words.
883
00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:52,772
It's really hard
to let that sink in
884
00:42:52,806 --> 00:42:56,876
after 30 years of really
not having a lot of hope.
885
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:59,479
It's been hard
carrying this on my shoulders
886
00:42:59,512 --> 00:43:02,282
and it just feels like it's
just been lifted up off of me.
887
00:43:02,315 --> 00:43:03,583
It's a lot of relief.
888
00:43:03,616 --> 00:43:05,652
It's a good case, okay?
889
00:43:05,685 --> 00:43:07,153
I know you want
to find your sister.
890
00:43:07,187 --> 00:43:09,055
- I understand that.
- Yes.
891
00:43:09,055 --> 00:43:11,491
But he's got your prosecutor
ready to move forward.
892
00:43:11,524 --> 00:43:13,960
Maybe even
without finding her, okay.
893
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:16,696
- I'd like to find her still.
- I know, I know.
894
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:18,465
It is a needed
thing for closure.
895
00:43:18,498 --> 00:43:20,633
- I know. I understand.
- Bringing her back home,
896
00:43:20,667 --> 00:43:23,370
putting her beside my mom,
that way we can heal.
897
00:43:23,403 --> 00:43:24,804
Okay.
898
00:43:24,838 --> 00:43:26,873
* There is light at the end *
899
00:43:26,906 --> 00:43:28,375
I think we all hope
900
00:43:28,408 --> 00:43:30,643
that some day
Brenda's body is found
901
00:43:30,677 --> 00:43:33,680
and that her family
can finally take her home.
902
00:43:35,081 --> 00:43:40,453
* Find peace in knowing
you will be okay *
903
00:43:40,487 --> 00:43:46,926
***