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♪ maybe there's heaven
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Siegler: You're ready to start
working on our next case
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- In kankakee?
- Spingola: I am.
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I can't wait to figure out
what we can come up with
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And maybe assist the officers
here in solving this.
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What did you think about
the deborah farlins case?
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Well, it's a typical,
you know, kind of a sad case.
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- She's pregnant.
- Five months pregnant.
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Young kids are probably
the most damning deaths.
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- But to lose a baby.
- I know.
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Steve and I have extended
our stay here in illinois
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To work with
the kankakee police department
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On another case,
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The unsolved homicide
of 21-year-old deborah farlins
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And her unborn child.
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She was a beautiful,
young mother-to-be
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Caught in a love triangle
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With a man who was engaged
to be married to another woman.
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A man that she claimed
was the father of her baby.
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She goes missing
on September 23, 1987.
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Her remains are found
about two months later.
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When you look at the reports
and, like, what wasn't done...
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Siegler: I feel like there were
all these people in kankakee
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That knew her situation.
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But the details of what they
knew aren't really documented.
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How are they getting along?
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How does she feel
about being pregnant?
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How does she feel
about her boyfriend
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That she seem to still
be pretty in love with
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Getting married on her?
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How did that new bride
feel about the fact
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That deborah
wasn't leaving him alone?
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And now we just got
to figure out
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Who's alive 37 years later
and what do they remember.
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For sure.
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Spingola: When deborah farlins
was murdered back in 1987,
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Her case wasn't investigated as
thoroughly as it would be today.
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It's a sore subject for
the kankakee police department
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Who has received much criticism
from the community
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And deborah's family
for the past 30 years.
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Can you imagine living
your whole life like that
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Where your daughter
is found murdered
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And nothing appears
to have been done?
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I can see why people lose faith
in law enforcement.
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I honestly can.
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And I had to pray to god
to keep you going
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So that I wouldn't be bitter.
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I think for the black community,
you want the same justice,
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But you don't hold out hope.
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You just learn to live with it.
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Siegler: I know from talking
to detective logan andersen
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And his boss, donell austin,
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That they are trying
to fix all that.
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I mean, the da seems fired up,
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And I know for sure
the police department is.
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We might have some luck.
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- Good morning, guys.
- Good morning.
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- Glad to see you.
- Good to see you.
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Well, we had some good luck
with jannette's case,
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So maybe we'll get
the same kind of luck
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With deborah farlins case.
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- Oh, yeah.
- We're pretty hopeful.
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In 1987--
I know I'm the oldest one here--
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I just started working
at the da's office.
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'cause it's 36 years ago.
What were you all doing then?
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I was seven years old.
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I was a sophomore
in high school.
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In high school?
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I was not born
for several more years.
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- You wanna get cranking again?
- Absolutely.
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Siegler: So back then,
37 years ago,
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At the time this happened, she
was only 21 years old, right?
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Correct. She had a good
family core, four sisters.
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Her dad has passed,
but mom actually still lives
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In the same house
that she grew up in.
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She seemed to me
very vocal and outgoing
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And feisty and spunky,
or whatever you want to call it.
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She wasn't a shrinking violet.
Didn't feel like to me.
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- No.
- For date, going missing?
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- The 23rd.
- Deborah farlins goes missing.
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Her family reports her
a short time later.
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Her vehicle is located in the
neighborhood where she lived.
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Deborah went missing for
approximately two months
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Before she was located
by hunters
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Next to a railroad track.
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There were little remains
left of deborah
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When she was found and
no remains of her unborn child.
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She was actually identified
by dental records.
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However, we have
no cause of death.
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But with no trauma
to her skull,
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Strangulation is definitely
a possibility.
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All right, so who all do we want
to put up on the suspect board?
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I would say robert price
would be number one.
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She was dating and supposedly
had gotten pregnant by him.
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The issue with that was
he was engaged to be married
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To another woman, and that date
was quickly approaching.
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So the month she goes missing
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Is the very month
he marries somebody else.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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- We knew he was violent.
- What did he do to deborah?
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Grabbed her by the throat
and threw her off the porch.
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She goes into the hospital.
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She had some good injuries,
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And this is what led to her
filing the lawsuit against him?
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Yes. 9-24 robert doesn't show up
in court.
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Which is going to be the day
after we think it happened.
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Ooh, that's a good one.
"I got a civil lawsuit on me,
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And I got a criminal case
filed on me."
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His world is crashing down
'cause of this woman.
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"and supposedly
she has my baby."
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Spingola: Robert price
was having a relationship
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With multiple women
at the same time
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He was abusing
his pregnant girlfriend deborah,
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And both
were catching up to him.
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He had plenty of motive
to want deborah out of his life.
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So next we're going to put up
leila thomas price.
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Been with robert 10 years.
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Koerner:
They're high school sweethearts.
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Then the younger deborah farlins
comes in.
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Leila and robbie price
got married September 5th,
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Just a few weeks
before the murder.
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Deborah parked outside
the wedding
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And watched it basically.
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That had to really set him off.
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She's driving by the houses
and ringing doorbells.
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- Where leila lived.
- Just in her face.
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Siegler: Deborah and leila
had been at each other's throats
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For months,
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Taunting and harassing
each other.
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Which was especially easy
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Because leila and robert
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Lived right across
the street from deborah.
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Me and another detective
went over a few years ago
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And talked to leila at her door.
She wouldn't come out.
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We had a very brief conversation
at the door.
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She didn't know anything,
she didn't remember anything,
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And she hadn't talked
to robert in years.
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Just like robert, leila had more
than enough reason or motive
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To want deborah out of her life.
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I've seen my share
of female killers.
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I have not seen very many that
would kill a pregnant woman.
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I think it's also important
to talk about with her.
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I mean, they got married
September 5th of '87,
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And she files for a divorce
may 26th of '88.
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That's pretty fast.
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Does any of all this have to do
with filing for that divorce?
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I guess now deborah's mom,
emma, is 91 years old.
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This will be
my first time meeting her.
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It'll be nice to find out more
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About deborah's personal life,
you know, her pregnancy,
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How much she vented
about robert price.
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And I would love to see
if these ladies know more
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About their lives
and leila's life.
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Back in 1987,
a lot of people in this town
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Felt like
the kankakee police department
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Didn't do a really thorough job
looking into this case.
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- Hello.
- Hello.
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- Hello.
- Good morning.
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Especially
deborah farlins's family.
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I'm kelly.
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And I think that what
we want them all to know
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Is today it's a whole
different world of cops
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Looking at this case.
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And we're going to do
every single thing that we can
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To get as far as we can
in trying to solve this case.
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We got lots to talk
to y'all about.
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Y'all called her tina, huh?
How'd you get tina?
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My mom started
because she was a sickly child.
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- Sick and puny one.
- The sick and puny one.
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When she was a baby,
when she was young.
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She was very outgoing.
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- She had lots of friends.
- Mm-hmm.
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She was very poised.
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She loved cartwheeling,
turning flips.
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She loved modeling.
And she was doing modeling.
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She loved show choirs and bands
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'cause she wanted
to form a band.
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- Okay.
- She was a singer.
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She was my older sister,
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But she was like
my best friend.
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Last time I saw her
was September 18th.
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Days went by.
We didn't hear anything.
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And then my dad got a call
from the detectives.
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They said that remains
had been found.
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"we just had bones," you know.
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And to hear my father cry,
it was, like, gut-wrenching.
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How do you sleep at night
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Knowing that you did this
to not only her
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But to an unborn child?
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When were you guys
made aware of the pregnancy?
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I think she was
about three months in.
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- It was easy to tell.
- She was very much showing.
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- She was wearing...
- Maternity clothes. Yep.
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Did she tell you
she was pregnant by robbie?
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- Yes, she did.
- Okay.
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Did you ever hear from tina
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What robbie thought
about tina being pregnant?
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- Mm-mmm.
- No.
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If he was excited.
If he was upset. We don't know.
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She never said
anything about that.
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What was tina's thoughts on,
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"I'm pregnant with this man,
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And I'm going to make sure
he's involved with the baby
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Or not or child support or not"?
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She never said anything
about him being involved.
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Okay.
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I was really hoping that we
would learn a little bit more
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About deborah's relationship
with robert from her family.
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So this is a little frustrating.
Then again,
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Maybe an affair with an abusive,
soon-to-be-married man
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Is not something
you talk a whole lot about
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With your family.
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When I discovered
that he was living
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With the woman down the street,
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I kept saying,
"what are you doing?
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Why don't you
just leave him alone?"
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And she said,
"I'm going to leave him alone.
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I'm not going to be bothered
with him anymore."
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- Okay.
- But then turn around,
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She would be off with him again,
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But the problem would be leila.
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Tina is dating robbie,
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And leila is angry
and upset about that.
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Wanna find out truth.
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Wanna find out whether robert
had any thing to do with it.
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Could not be. Could be. Whoever.
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Wanna be fair with it.
'cause she gone.
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Somebody killed her.
Took her life.
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Took her child life.
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And, you know,
the police didn't find nothing.
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Couldn't find out
who did it either.
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Maybe they did they best
and maybe they didn't.
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But they never did come up
with nothing.
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And I been waiting.
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I got patience.
I'm still waiting.
244
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We got to get some leads here
245
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On who she was dating or who
she might have talked to.
246
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Siegler: This is a 1987 case.
247
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Deborah farlins
and her unborn baby.
248
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The evidence,
because it's such an old case,
249
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There's just not a lot of it.
250
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There aren't a lot of witnesses.
251
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There's not a lot
of physical evidence.
252
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Koerner: It's gonna be tough
tracking people down
253
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This far after.
254
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And then they've
given beautiful statements.
255
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1987. It's like "I said that?
I don't remember anything."
256
00:11:08,268 --> 00:11:10,101
Every time you work
on a cold case,
257
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You start out thinking
like it's day one,
258
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Trying to feel fresh.
259
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This time, though, it really
does feel like it's day one.
260
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Got your camera on?
261
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Automated voice: Recording.
262
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Siegler:
We want to do our very best
263
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To find any of deborah's
old friends or co-workers
264
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Or relatives
who can tell us something,
265
00:11:28,788 --> 00:11:32,824
Anything about deborah or any
of the suspects in this case.
266
00:11:35,228 --> 00:11:36,428
Spingola: Hi. How are you?
267
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Koerner: We're looking
for carlotta aldridge.
268
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That's me.
269
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Spingola: You're not
in any trouble. Just relax.
270
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Koerner: We're actually here
to jog your memory a little bit
271
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And see if you
can tell us anything
272
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About an old case of ours
with deborah farlins.
273
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- She went by tina.
- Oh, my gosh.
274
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- Back in the '80s.
- Oh, my gosh.
275
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I think I called her
something else.
276
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- Tina, probably.
- Tina.
277
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- Tina.
- Yeah.
278
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- I did.
- Tina.
279
00:12:02,122 --> 00:12:04,155
- Oh, my god.
- You got goosebumps on me.
280
00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:06,257
- It's been so long.
- Siegler: Yeah. Yeah.
281
00:12:06,326 --> 00:12:08,460
But I do remember
that happening.
282
00:12:08,528 --> 00:12:11,529
Do you remember any men in
her life at that point in time?
283
00:12:11,597 --> 00:12:14,799
- Mm-hmm.
- Who rings a bell for you?
284
00:12:14,868 --> 00:12:19,036
Um, there's only one.
Robert price.
285
00:12:19,105 --> 00:12:20,371
Do you know anything
about their relationship?
286
00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,106
Carlotta:
It was tumultuous.
287
00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:25,777
- Why you say that?
- Because it was a triangle.
288
00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:31,615
Did she tell you anything
about how he took the news
289
00:12:31,685 --> 00:12:33,318
That she was pregnant by him?
290
00:12:39,625 --> 00:12:40,959
Okay.
291
00:12:46,032 --> 00:12:47,699
Do you remember anything
about her and robbie
292
00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:50,235
Getting into an altercation
at the house?
293
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,440
Who was that?
294
00:12:55,508 --> 00:12:56,374
Leila mae.
295
00:12:56,442 --> 00:12:58,943
Leila mae would ride
past debbie's house
296
00:12:59,012 --> 00:13:00,711
And they would fight.
297
00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:02,680
They were in the street.
They were fighting.
298
00:13:02,748 --> 00:13:06,017
That's pretty strong
to be fistfighting over a guy.
299
00:13:06,085 --> 00:13:07,852
There's
a well-documented history here
300
00:13:07,921 --> 00:13:09,387
By the kankakee
police department
301
00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:11,589
Of conduct by not only deborah,
but also by leila.
302
00:13:11,657 --> 00:13:13,525
Deborah filed
multiple police reports
303
00:13:13,593 --> 00:13:15,927
That leila was stalking her,
harassing her,
304
00:13:15,995 --> 00:13:18,963
Including throwing rocks
and stones at her car.
305
00:13:18,965 --> 00:13:20,564
And then leila
also contacted police
306
00:13:20,566 --> 00:13:23,167
About deborah's behavior,
including street fights,
307
00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:25,003
Where deborah
produced karate sticks
308
00:13:25,005 --> 00:13:27,705
And leila produced a gun,
all over robert.
309
00:13:27,773 --> 00:13:30,341
Miss evelyn, back then,
when you talked to the police,
310
00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:33,010
You had the date down
that you last saw debbie.
311
00:13:33,079 --> 00:13:34,378
Andersen: It was the 22nd.
312
00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:35,980
She had come over to your place
to eat some pizza.
313
00:13:36,048 --> 00:13:37,681
You were the last person
that saw her.
314
00:13:37,751 --> 00:13:38,950
- Oh, yeah.
- Okay.
315
00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:40,651
- What do you remember?
- She was nervous.
316
00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,087
That's when
she told me she thought
317
00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:44,622
- Somebody was following her.
- Okay.
318
00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:46,958
She was right,
'cause she's not here anymore.
319
00:13:47,026 --> 00:13:50,027
And after that night, you don't
remember ever seeing her again?
320
00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:52,229
I didn't.
I never saw her again.
321
00:13:52,298 --> 00:13:53,431
Siegler: Fortunately,
a lot of people
322
00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:56,233
Are remembering
deborah's love triangle
323
00:13:56,302 --> 00:13:58,436
And that robert wasn't too happy
324
00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:00,237
About the fact
that she was pregnant,
325
00:14:00,306 --> 00:14:03,407
Which we're thinking
might very well be his motive.
326
00:14:03,409 --> 00:14:06,510
But it seems like robert kind
of wanted to distance himself
327
00:14:06,579 --> 00:14:10,414
From the relationship,
but his then fiancée leila
328
00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:12,984
Was not backing down
from that fight.
329
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,927
Sit in the far chair.
330
00:14:25,565 --> 00:14:27,431
Siegler:
Deborah's sister, beverly,
331
00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,300
Wasn't able to meet with us
the other day
332
00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:32,203
When we talked to deborah's mom
and her other sisters.
333
00:14:32,271 --> 00:14:35,206
So she's come in today
to tell us what she knows
334
00:14:35,274 --> 00:14:37,408
And also to hopefully help us
make sense
335
00:14:37,477 --> 00:14:39,410
Of some of deborah's
old writings.
336
00:14:39,479 --> 00:14:41,212
Let's start off
with the relationship
337
00:14:41,281 --> 00:14:43,080
Between tina and robbie.
338
00:14:43,149 --> 00:14:45,849
Tumultuous.
339
00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:47,785
- Tumultuous?
- Yeah.
340
00:14:47,854 --> 00:14:50,688
It was--it wasn't a very--
it wasn't a good relationship.
341
00:14:50,756 --> 00:14:53,257
I really didn't care
for robbie at all.
342
00:14:53,326 --> 00:14:56,194
To me, I felt like he was
a little too old for my sister.
343
00:14:56,262 --> 00:14:57,729
And he was already
in a relationship.
344
00:14:57,797 --> 00:14:58,897
Andersen: Yeah.
345
00:14:58,965 --> 00:15:01,632
When he tossed her
off the porch,
346
00:15:01,701 --> 00:15:03,567
That's when I told her,
347
00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:06,704
"get away from him
and stay away from him."
348
00:15:06,772 --> 00:15:09,840
My dad used to tell us
if a man hits you one time,
349
00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:11,809
- He's going to hit you again.
- Mm-hmm.
350
00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:17,382
Siegler: These are the letters
in your sister's purse.
351
00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:20,751
When the police discovered
deborah's abandoned car,
352
00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:23,521
Inside the car,
they also saw some letters
353
00:15:23,589 --> 00:15:26,190
That she had left behind
that she had written to robert.
354
00:15:26,192 --> 00:15:27,992
She clearly
never gave him the letters,
355
00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:30,328
But maybe
she was planning to do that.
356
00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:34,065
In any case, the letters still
give us pretty clear evidence
357
00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:36,034
Of her state of mind back then.
358
00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:38,669
"did you have a nice weekend?
359
00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:42,706
Me, too. Anyway,
the baby will not get aborted.
360
00:15:42,775 --> 00:15:44,074
It's too late.
361
00:15:44,076 --> 00:15:45,543
It's our responsibility
362
00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:48,946
To see to it
that it is well taken care of.
363
00:15:49,015 --> 00:15:53,151
No, I won't be leaving.
I'll be right here in kankakee.
364
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,722
I love you dearly,
but at this point,
365
00:15:57,790 --> 00:16:01,892
There is no need to further
prolong a one-way relationship.
366
00:16:01,894 --> 00:16:05,163
Hey, you and leila
appear to be having a blast
367
00:16:05,165 --> 00:16:07,164
Pulling bull[bleep]
on people together.
368
00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:08,799
So I tell you what.
369
00:16:08,868 --> 00:16:12,303
Stay with leila because I don't
have time for you anymore.
370
00:16:12,371 --> 00:16:16,140
And p.S.
It's definitely over. Deborah."
371
00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:18,276
That's her signature
right there.
372
00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:20,644
"I should have
lost it when I fell.
373
00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:23,881
Must be here
for a damn good reason.
374
00:16:23,950 --> 00:16:28,519
And we're both, especially you,
will provide for the baby."
375
00:16:32,424 --> 00:16:33,924
So think about that.
376
00:16:33,926 --> 00:16:35,693
Those letters kind of show
377
00:16:35,761 --> 00:16:38,729
The true state
of their relationship.
378
00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:42,332
And those letters
are sitting in tina's purse
379
00:16:42,334 --> 00:16:44,469
And she doesn't
give them to him.
380
00:16:44,537 --> 00:16:45,736
Beverly: She was afraid
to give them to him.
381
00:16:45,805 --> 00:16:48,472
Siegler: I know, but I'm
thinking she still talked to him
382
00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:51,742
About what's in there
and told him the same things.
383
00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:55,346
I mean, this conversation could
have gone on way before then.
384
00:16:55,415 --> 00:16:57,515
And it could have been going on
for a while, too.
385
00:16:57,583 --> 00:17:00,451
And every time
he saw her or whatever,
386
00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,088
And with her saying the baby
is going to be taken care of,
387
00:17:04,090 --> 00:17:05,590
Back then it was child support.
388
00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:06,657
Yeah.
389
00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:10,027
Beverly: She was definitely
in love with him.
390
00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:13,097
Robbie had
my sister on a string,
391
00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:15,933
And he was playing her
like a fiddle
392
00:17:16,002 --> 00:17:18,102
Because she was 21 years old.
393
00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:19,503
She was a baby.
394
00:17:19,505 --> 00:17:21,705
- That's right.
- That was his toy.
395
00:17:21,774 --> 00:17:24,808
And that was the first man
that she had ever been with.
396
00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:26,476
We both want you to know
397
00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:28,646
That everything
that we can think of,
398
00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:31,749
Every name in the file,
everything we can run down,
399
00:17:31,817 --> 00:17:34,018
- We're trying to do.
- I know you are.
400
00:17:34,086 --> 00:17:37,088
It's really hard 'cause
the case is 36 years old.
401
00:17:37,156 --> 00:17:39,623
When this man came to my door
402
00:17:39,625 --> 00:17:42,726
And he told me that he was
looking into my sister's case,
403
00:17:42,795 --> 00:17:46,730
I almost fainted
because it's been so many years.
404
00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:51,735
It gave me some hope that this
could possibly be solved.
405
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:54,972
And I can never thank you
enough, detective andersen,
406
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,408
Forever thank you,
'cause I never thought
407
00:17:57,477 --> 00:18:02,746
That I would ever hear
anybody care about her.
408
00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:07,050
We, as black women,
come up missing every single day
409
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,188
And nobody cares.
410
00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,123
Nobody cares.
411
00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:18,228
And my sister was one of those
people that ended up missing.
412
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:21,465
And her life wasn't good enough
for nobody to care.
413
00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:26,704
And for you people to care
means the world to me.
414
00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,439
Siegler: She's lived her whole
life dealing with this.
415
00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:32,443
She thought for all these years
that nobody cared.
416
00:18:32,511 --> 00:18:34,378
And that's just not true.
417
00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:36,780
To have to live thinking that
418
00:18:36,849 --> 00:18:40,651
And then for her to be
so grateful and so hopeful
419
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,921
That we're going
to be able to solve this.
420
00:18:43,989 --> 00:18:46,057
She's not trying to put
any pressure on us,
421
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:50,194
But, damn, I hope we can.
422
00:18:50,263 --> 00:18:53,564
- Thank you so much.
- You're welcome.
423
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:07,111
Ler: Where do you want
to start from first, logan?
424
00:19:07,179 --> 00:19:10,414
We're going to be going up
towards the diamond motel.
425
00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:13,784
It's just a little bit
outside of manteno.
426
00:19:13,852 --> 00:19:15,619
This is the hotel that we think
427
00:19:15,688 --> 00:19:20,357
That she and robert were at
sometime close to the end?
428
00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:21,625
Yeah, late September.
429
00:19:21,694 --> 00:19:25,829
Siegler: We don't know exactly
how deborah farlins was murdered
430
00:19:25,898 --> 00:19:28,932
And disposed of
back in September of 1987.
431
00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:31,268
But the police department
has a theory,
432
00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:32,703
So we wanna go check it out.
433
00:19:32,772 --> 00:19:35,739
This is a structure
that was the diamond motel.
434
00:19:35,741 --> 00:19:41,011
We know that evelyn last
saw debbie around 10:00, 10:15.
435
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,580
And debbie leaves, and she's
acting kind of nervous.
436
00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:46,750
But she had to hook up with who
her killer ends up being
437
00:19:46,819 --> 00:19:49,586
Somewhere, somehow,
and you're thinking it's here.
438
00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:52,423
So, caslynn smith,
who is no longer with us,
439
00:19:52,491 --> 00:19:54,658
She remembers seeing deborah.
440
00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:57,861
There was a male in the car,
but she never sees the male.
441
00:19:57,930 --> 00:19:59,997
It's believed that
because deborah still lived
442
00:20:00,065 --> 00:20:03,534
With her family
and robert lived with leila,
443
00:20:03,602 --> 00:20:07,838
They frequently met at hotels
around town to have sex.
444
00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:11,075
Back in 1987,
there was a clerk at a motel
445
00:20:11,143 --> 00:20:12,543
Who said in late September,
446
00:20:12,611 --> 00:20:15,412
There was a night
where deborah rented a room.
447
00:20:15,481 --> 00:20:18,515
She pays for an all-night
448
00:20:18,584 --> 00:20:21,152
And then only stays
half the night.
449
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,353
When asked if she wanted
450
00:20:23,423 --> 00:20:26,289
The four-hour rate
or the all-night rate,
451
00:20:26,291 --> 00:20:29,293
Deborah conferred with
a black male waiting in his car
452
00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:31,895
And told the clerk that they
wanted the all-night rate.
453
00:20:31,964 --> 00:20:34,932
Strangely,
just within a few hours,
454
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,036
That clerk heard that car
leave the motel.
455
00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:42,806
The clerk has since died,
so that is all inadmissible.
456
00:20:42,808 --> 00:20:45,576
But it does help form a theory
of what happened that night.
457
00:20:45,645 --> 00:20:49,012
Do you think when they
drive away from this motel,
458
00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:49,580
She's still alive?
459
00:20:49,649 --> 00:20:51,048
- No, I don't.
- Oh, you don't?
460
00:20:51,116 --> 00:20:52,416
- I don't.
- Okay.
461
00:20:52,485 --> 00:20:53,851
My theory
of what happened with deborah
462
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:56,187
Is that this was
a crime of passion.
463
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:57,588
It wasn't well planned out.
464
00:20:57,656 --> 00:21:00,057
She went to that motel
and she's murdered there
465
00:21:00,125 --> 00:21:02,059
And then placed in the car
466
00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:04,061
And just driven a short distance
from that motel,
467
00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:06,564
Carried out and dropped along
the side of the railroad tracks.
468
00:21:10,569 --> 00:21:12,436
That wasn't even a mile, was it?
469
00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:13,738
No.
470
00:21:19,144 --> 00:21:22,379
The remains would have been
in this area right here.
471
00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:23,480
He didn't even cross
the railroad tracks.
472
00:21:23,549 --> 00:21:25,783
No, they were on this side
of the railroad tracks.
473
00:21:25,851 --> 00:21:28,485
And remind me, how much
was she buried or covered up?
474
00:21:28,554 --> 00:21:29,820
- She wasn't.
- Just dumped.
475
00:21:29,889 --> 00:21:31,555
- Like dropped?
- Yeah.
476
00:21:31,557 --> 00:21:32,790
That's lazier than I thought.
477
00:21:32,858 --> 00:21:34,425
I just think
he does the simplest things.
478
00:21:34,493 --> 00:21:37,795
When she's dead,
dumps her and gets out of here.
479
00:21:37,863 --> 00:21:40,697
Siegler: Whoever dumped
her there simply did just that.
480
00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:42,233
They just dropped her there.
481
00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:45,136
They didn't make any attempt
to bury her or cover her up.
482
00:21:45,204 --> 00:21:48,572
So it was a pretty lazy effort
at disposing of her body.
483
00:21:50,743 --> 00:21:52,976
Debbie's house
is going to be right here.
484
00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:55,445
So this is the house
they used to live in.
485
00:21:55,515 --> 00:21:58,849
And then across the street
is where robbie and leila lived.
486
00:21:58,917 --> 00:22:01,418
- It's this one.
- Yeah. This is it.
487
00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:03,587
Okay, so then from here,
488
00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:05,989
How close is
where they end up finding
489
00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:08,225
The red fiero
that belonged to debbie?
490
00:22:08,293 --> 00:22:09,360
A few blocks.
491
00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:10,994
But somebody threw the keys
492
00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,697
In debbie's mom's house,
flower bed.
493
00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:18,469
Then just one street over,
that's robbie's mom's house.
494
00:22:18,537 --> 00:22:20,371
You've got to understand
how close everything is
495
00:22:20,439 --> 00:22:21,872
In relation to one another.
496
00:22:21,941 --> 00:22:24,641
Deborah's car was found close
to robert's mother's house,
497
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:26,610
While her keys were
found around the corner
498
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:28,278
At deborah's house
in the flower bed,
499
00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,781
Which was across from
where robert and leila lived.
500
00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:32,650
It's possible that after
the murder of deborah,
501
00:22:32,718 --> 00:22:34,017
Robert drives the car,
502
00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:35,819
Parks it
near his mother's house,
503
00:22:35,821 --> 00:22:38,489
Walks home,
realizes he still has the keys,
504
00:22:38,557 --> 00:22:40,824
And maybe in some sort
of an act of empathy,
505
00:22:40,826 --> 00:22:42,759
Throws him into the flower bed
where her mother lives.
506
00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:44,828
Or just simply to get rid
of the keys
507
00:22:44,897 --> 00:22:46,497
And leave no evidence behind.
508
00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:48,999
Wonder how he dealt with
two cars that night,
509
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,734
His car and her car.
510
00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:52,836
Andersen: I'm thinking
she parks her car across
511
00:22:52,905 --> 00:22:56,440
From robbie's mom's house and
then they take his car up there.
512
00:22:56,508 --> 00:22:57,841
Siegler:
But her purse was in it.
513
00:22:57,843 --> 00:23:00,211
If she parked her car
and got out voluntarily,
514
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:01,612
She would have taken her purse.
515
00:23:01,614 --> 00:23:03,914
So then he's still
dealing with two cars,
516
00:23:03,983 --> 00:23:05,983
Which brings up
the better possibility
517
00:23:06,051 --> 00:23:08,785
There's two people
involved than I appreciated.
518
00:23:08,854 --> 00:23:10,721
I don't know. Two people,
and now they hate each other.
519
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:12,589
Leila, let's see what she says.
520
00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:13,691
That's a good day.
Let's knock it off
521
00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:15,426
And get back to it tomorrow.
522
00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:16,861
Andersen:
All right, sounds good.
523
00:23:20,165 --> 00:23:22,500
It's hard to believe
that robert would have asked
524
00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:25,936
His new wife to help kill
his pregnant girlfriend,
525
00:23:26,004 --> 00:23:29,707
Or if she would have ever
even agreed to that back then.
526
00:23:29,775 --> 00:23:31,542
Neither one of those
makes a lot of sense to me.
527
00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:36,547
- How you doing?
- Can he get a diet coke?
528
00:23:36,615 --> 00:23:38,182
Do you have any white wine?
529
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,352
- Bartender: Um, moscato.
- I'll take a glass of that.
530
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:42,953
So...
531
00:23:43,622 --> 00:23:46,857
Do you think leila did it
or is involved?
532
00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:48,225
I don't think leila's involved.
533
00:23:48,293 --> 00:23:49,560
I don't think
she's involved at all.
534
00:23:49,628 --> 00:23:50,961
I just don't.
I think she basically
535
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:52,996
Gave him the ultimatum,
you know,
536
00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:54,898
"she goes or I go,"
one of those types of things.
537
00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:57,501
And I think price
is so in love with leila
538
00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:59,236
That he's not going
to let her go.
539
00:23:59,304 --> 00:24:02,239
Whenever y'all go try to talk
to robbie price in kentucky,
540
00:24:02,307 --> 00:24:04,841
He's gotten away before
with not talking pretty easily.
541
00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:06,076
- Right.
- So you're going to be
542
00:24:06,145 --> 00:24:08,211
Catching him flat-footed,
hopefully.
543
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,982
If he starts coming out
with new lines
544
00:24:12,051 --> 00:24:14,184
And he doesn't go as far
as any kind of
545
00:24:14,253 --> 00:24:15,586
Admission or confession,
546
00:24:15,654 --> 00:24:17,454
I feel like if he says
something like,
547
00:24:17,523 --> 00:24:19,456
"that wasn't my baby,"
548
00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:21,591
"she was making that [bleep] up.
She was pressuring me."
549
00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:23,060
That could be.
That could be, absolutely.
550
00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:25,229
I mean, that's new stuff.
That wouldn't hurt
551
00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:27,264
If he insisted
something like that, right?
552
00:24:27,332 --> 00:24:28,898
You know, once you get put
into a corner,
553
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:30,433
People come out
with all kinds of good stories
554
00:24:30,503 --> 00:24:31,868
Every once in a while,
you know.
555
00:24:31,937 --> 00:24:33,070
And I've always thought a lie
556
00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:34,671
Is as good as a confession
at some point.
557
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:35,940
Siegler: I do, too.
558
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:39,943
♪ we got nowhere to go ♪
559
00:24:40,012 --> 00:24:41,879
♪ so try to live things slow ♪
560
00:24:50,623 --> 00:24:51,422
Gps voice:
Exit right to
561
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,057
I-64, east lexington.
562
00:24:54,126 --> 00:24:55,826
Spingola: Deborah farlins's
ex-boyfriend
563
00:24:55,895 --> 00:24:59,229
And the alleged father of
her unborn child, robert price,
564
00:24:59,298 --> 00:25:01,898
Now lives 300 miles away
in kentucky.
565
00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:03,000
The evidence
clearly suggests he had
566
00:25:03,068 --> 00:25:04,801
The strongest motive
to kill deborah.
567
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:07,170
But what will he say now
when we confront him about it?
568
00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:08,572
Hopefully, he'll be around.
We'll knock on the door,
569
00:25:08,641 --> 00:25:10,307
And we'll see what happens.
570
00:25:10,375 --> 00:25:12,809
Gps voice: You've arrived.
Destination is on your right.
571
00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:14,311
Andersen: You want to walk up?
572
00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:15,112
[spingola grunts]
573
00:25:19,318 --> 00:25:20,451
Andersen: Hi, mr. Price?
574
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,320
I'm logan andersen.
I'm from kankakee city police.
575
00:25:23,388 --> 00:25:25,188
You got a minute
that we can talk about
576
00:25:25,257 --> 00:25:28,459
An old case concerning maybe
one of your friends, debbie?
577
00:25:32,497 --> 00:25:33,731
Farlins.
578
00:25:35,601 --> 00:25:36,934
You don't know
debbie farlins at all?
579
00:25:38,403 --> 00:25:39,236
Deborah, yeah.
580
00:25:43,142 --> 00:25:45,743
Spingola: Leila and deborah
were having some arguments,
581
00:25:45,745 --> 00:25:47,144
Apparently over you.
582
00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:57,388
Did deborah file a civil suit
against you at some point?
583
00:25:57,456 --> 00:25:59,222
Not that you know of?
Was there an incident
584
00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:00,924
On a porch with deborah?
585
00:26:00,992 --> 00:26:02,192
Pushed off the porch?
586
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:07,664
Allegedly,
you pushed deborah off a porch
587
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:08,933
And she was
in the hospital for a week.
588
00:26:10,035 --> 00:26:11,302
Nothing. Never happened.
589
00:26:13,038 --> 00:26:15,005
Did deborah ever accuse you
of getting her pregnant?
590
00:26:21,546 --> 00:26:23,580
She never said you
were the father of a child?
591
00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:25,883
Andersen: Did she ever tell you
that she was pregnant?
592
00:26:27,686 --> 00:26:29,186
She never told you that?
593
00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:30,987
Did you hear that rumor
that she was pregnant?
594
00:26:31,056 --> 00:26:32,889
Never knew
that she was pregnant.
595
00:26:32,958 --> 00:26:34,325
Spingola: Did she ever write you
any letters
596
00:26:34,393 --> 00:26:36,827
Or anything like that?
Nothing. Nothing.
597
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:39,630
Andersen: That way.
598
00:26:43,869 --> 00:26:44,968
Okay.
599
00:26:45,036 --> 00:26:45,969
He's downplaying everything--
600
00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:47,705
His relationship with deborah,
601
00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:50,340
The fact that she was pregnant,
that he's the alleged father,
602
00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:53,009
The fact that he allegedly
pushed her off the porch,
603
00:26:53,078 --> 00:26:54,878
That she filed
a lawsuit against him.
604
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,012
This is all new to robert.
605
00:26:56,081 --> 00:26:57,214
How can this all be new
to robert?
606
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:59,582
His story has got
all types of holes on it.
607
00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:01,118
Andersen: Debbie was living
with her parents.
608
00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:02,953
She's not going to hook up
at her parents' house.
609
00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:04,722
Where would you
and debbie hook up at?
610
00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:07,358
Just wherever?
611
00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:10,094
Was there any hotels around
the area back in that day?
612
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,199
Do you guys ever go to a hotel
in manteno at all?
613
00:27:16,601 --> 00:27:17,368
Never?
614
00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:25,376
Where?
615
00:27:28,847 --> 00:27:31,682
This girl that went to--
when were you with her?
616
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:35,285
Your wedding night?
617
00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:38,321
Okay.
618
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:40,257
- Your wedding night to leila?
- Yeah.
619
00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:41,324
Spingola: Could that
have been deborah?
620
00:27:41,393 --> 00:27:42,092
Or was it [bleep]?
621
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,868
Robert denies going to
the motel with deborah,
622
00:27:51,937 --> 00:27:54,271
Yet he's now bringing
in a third person
623
00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:56,005
The night
before he marries leila,
624
00:27:56,075 --> 00:27:57,808
That he shows up
at a motel with.
625
00:27:57,876 --> 00:27:59,209
He's actually
given us a new witness.
626
00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:01,011
That's a good point for us.
627
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:03,614
Do you remember
when deborah went missing?
628
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:04,748
Nothing.
629
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:11,421
Deborah had to be making
your life hell with leila mae.
630
00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:12,656
Not at all.
631
00:28:23,769 --> 00:28:25,035
Unless you get
her pregnant, right?
632
00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:26,369
You get some woman pregnant,
633
00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:27,971
You're never going to break
that bond.
634
00:28:27,973 --> 00:28:31,141
It's gotta be
making your life hell.
635
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:32,643
Because she was telling people
636
00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:34,511
And she wrote letters
about it.
637
00:28:34,579 --> 00:28:35,646
She wrote letters about it.
638
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:37,914
Andersen: And she never said
anybody else's name.
639
00:28:37,983 --> 00:28:39,516
Just one person.
640
00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:41,184
Spingola: So, do you deny
that you might have
641
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:43,287
Had sex with her
the night she goes missing?
642
00:28:48,661 --> 00:28:50,260
Late September of '87,
643
00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:52,195
About three weeks
after you're married,
644
00:28:52,197 --> 00:28:54,865
It's possible you had sex
with deborah that night?
645
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,569
But it's possible?
646
00:28:58,637 --> 00:29:01,138
Let me just ask you this.
Did you kill deborah?
647
00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:03,340
You're sure?
648
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:05,676
Didn't black out
the last night you saw her?
649
00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:07,144
Something happen?
650
00:29:08,814 --> 00:29:10,280
That's not true, sir.
Not at all.
651
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:11,414
Andersen: You had every reason
to hurt her.
652
00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:12,949
Spingola: You're sweating
a little bit. You okay?
653
00:29:13,018 --> 00:29:14,017
You're not sick, are you?
654
00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:16,019
Andersen: I'm in a full suit and
I'm not sweating at all.
655
00:29:16,021 --> 00:29:16,987
Spingola: Me, either.
656
00:29:19,191 --> 00:29:21,791
- Okay.
- Robert: I don't-- I mean...
657
00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:24,328
- Andersen: What do you think?
- Spingola: I don't know.
658
00:29:25,630 --> 00:29:28,298
You know,
he's playing it off, obviously.
659
00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:29,733
I think you got as much
out of him
660
00:29:29,801 --> 00:29:31,368
As you're ever going to get.
661
00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:32,735
Calling kelly.
662
00:29:32,737 --> 00:29:36,105
[line ringing]
663
00:29:36,175 --> 00:29:38,809
Siegler: Men, we're dying
over here. What happened?
664
00:29:38,877 --> 00:29:41,578
Andersen: He says that
he couldn't pin down a time
665
00:29:41,646 --> 00:29:43,847
When the last time
that he was with debbie.
666
00:29:43,916 --> 00:29:45,549
He denies that debbie
ever told him
667
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,484
That she was pregnant
with his kid.
668
00:29:47,552 --> 00:29:50,653
Wait, wait,
so he denies that completely?
669
00:29:50,723 --> 00:29:52,723
Completely.
Knowing that she was pregnant.
670
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,391
Well, that's huge,
don't you think?
671
00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:55,192
I think it is.
672
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:56,960
There's no problems
between him
673
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:58,995
And leila mae that...
674
00:29:59,064 --> 00:30:01,864
She's--that he's out with
debbie at this point.
675
00:30:01,866 --> 00:30:04,501
Okay, so he's saying
that there was no friction
676
00:30:04,569 --> 00:30:08,204
Between him and leila
over debbie.
677
00:30:08,273 --> 00:30:09,606
- No friction.
- Correct.
678
00:30:09,674 --> 00:30:10,607
That's a good one.
679
00:30:10,675 --> 00:30:12,643
We can prove otherwise on that.
680
00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:16,246
What does he tell y'all
about when debbie goes missing?
681
00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:18,881
Is he aware?
What does he know about that?
682
00:30:18,883 --> 00:30:21,251
He played like he didn't
know anything about it at all.
683
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,686
Y'all got three big things
that I feel like
684
00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:25,756
We really can disprove.
685
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,124
The three things that he's
trying to back away from
686
00:30:28,193 --> 00:30:30,627
Are the
whole relationship motive,
687
00:30:30,695 --> 00:30:33,229
The whole reason for
why he would want her dead.
688
00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:35,231
"no friction
in our relationship.
689
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,967
"she never even
got pregnant by me,
690
00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:38,669
And I never knew
she went missing"?
691
00:30:38,737 --> 00:30:40,370
I mean, could he pick
three bigger things
692
00:30:40,439 --> 00:30:41,904
To act like
he doesn't know about?
693
00:30:41,906 --> 00:30:44,041
Y'all got some good stuff, man.
694
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:45,542
- This was a big day.
- All right,
695
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:47,277
Well, we're going to go try
and find leila,
696
00:30:47,346 --> 00:30:48,311
And we'll let you know
how it goes.
697
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:49,613
- Sounds good.
- All right.
698
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:51,815
Good job, men.
Ooh!
699
00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:06,196
Eila is across
the state line,
700
00:31:06,264 --> 00:31:08,198
And then the three things
that he said yesterday
701
00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:09,600
That we can work with are
702
00:31:09,668 --> 00:31:12,602
There was no friction
in his marriage with leila
703
00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:14,070
Because of debbie,
704
00:31:14,139 --> 00:31:15,806
That he didn't even know
debbie went missing.
705
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:17,474
And he didn't know that
she was pregnant with his child.
706
00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:20,176
Yeah, so if leila
can discount any of those,
707
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,345
That's a win.
That's a win.
708
00:31:22,347 --> 00:31:26,617
We're on our way to speak
to robert price's ex-wife
709
00:31:26,685 --> 00:31:29,753
And deborah's former enemy,
leila thomas.
710
00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:33,089
She's not only still
a suspect in this case,
711
00:31:33,158 --> 00:31:35,458
She could hold the key
to solving it.
712
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:38,095
- Ready?
- Yep. As I'll ever be.
713
00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:40,163
We're standing outside.
714
00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:45,468
Koerner: Morning. Sorry
for bothering at your home.
715
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,303
My name is todd koerner.
Nice to meet you.
716
00:31:47,372 --> 00:31:48,839
- I didn't get your name, sir.
- Cyrus.
717
00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:49,906
- Nice to meet you.
- Gotcha.
718
00:31:49,975 --> 00:31:51,774
We're talking about
an old case,
719
00:31:51,844 --> 00:31:53,576
Deborah farlins's case.
720
00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,746
I did talk to robert.
We talked to him yesterday,
721
00:31:55,814 --> 00:31:58,381
And I would hate to
just go off what he said.
722
00:31:58,383 --> 00:31:59,416
So what did he say?
723
00:31:59,484 --> 00:32:00,717
He made it sound like,
724
00:32:00,785 --> 00:32:04,254
Around the time of deborah
going missing
725
00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:06,256
That deborah wasn't
a problem for you guys at all.
726
00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:08,992
He made it seem like
he didn't have any problems.
727
00:32:09,061 --> 00:32:12,629
It was just all these girls
that wanted him, you know.
728
00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:14,797
Right, which is why it
sounded kind of...
729
00:32:14,867 --> 00:32:16,466
- Siegler: He said that.
- Koerner: ...Funky to me.
730
00:32:16,535 --> 00:32:19,335
Exactly.
Your reaction is what mine was.
731
00:32:19,404 --> 00:32:21,738
We also have
the old reports where
732
00:32:21,806 --> 00:32:24,875
Deborah was
pretty much a pest to you.
733
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:26,242
- She was.
- Siegler: I know.
734
00:32:26,311 --> 00:32:28,412
She threw the rock
in the car story,
735
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,213
Driving by your house story.
736
00:32:30,281 --> 00:32:32,115
We have the old police reports,
737
00:32:32,184 --> 00:32:33,616
So how could she not be
a problem
738
00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:35,351
- In your relationship?
- Leila: Exactly.
739
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:36,953
Siegler: He's saying none of it
ever happened.
740
00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:39,155
- Well, that's not true.
- Siegler: Okay.
741
00:32:39,224 --> 00:32:40,623
He also said that
742
00:32:40,692 --> 00:32:43,560
He didn't even know
that deborah went missing.
743
00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:46,362
- He said that.
- Koerner: Exactly.
744
00:32:46,431 --> 00:32:49,032
He said that he never knew
745
00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:52,635
That deborah was pregnant
with his baby.
746
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,137
Didn't y'all get
into arguments about it?
747
00:32:54,206 --> 00:32:55,538
You and robbie?
748
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,574
Yeah, because
I told him that I heard
749
00:32:57,642 --> 00:32:58,808
That she was pregnant by him.
750
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:00,610
Did he deny it to you or
did he just...
751
00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:02,078
Yeah, he did.
752
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,913
Siegler:
Going back 36 years ago,
753
00:33:03,915 --> 00:33:06,949
If people were thinking
you had something to do with it
754
00:33:06,951 --> 00:33:09,719
Or you helped move the car
or you got mad enough
755
00:33:09,788 --> 00:33:11,588
To where you wanted to kill her,
what would you say?
756
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,189
That's not true.
757
00:33:13,258 --> 00:33:15,525
She could have dealt with him
and not bothered me,
758
00:33:15,594 --> 00:33:17,193
- And I wouldn't have cared.
- Koerner: Right.
759
00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:19,362
Because I was
not in love with him,
760
00:33:19,431 --> 00:33:22,332
And she just didn't know that.
761
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,734
We also think
that the person who killed her
762
00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:26,370
Strangled her to death.
763
00:33:28,273 --> 00:33:29,739
- Siegler: See there?
- Koerner: Yep.
764
00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:31,942
Siegler: And what was
in the middle of that
765
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,343
To cause that to happen?
766
00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:36,212
My husband was very jealous.
767
00:33:36,281 --> 00:33:37,981
You know, and...
768
00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:42,119
He did.
I was a little terrified.
769
00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:46,856
Siegler: Did you ever think back
then that he was involved?
770
00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:49,860
Is that kind of part
of why you divorced him?
771
00:33:49,928 --> 00:33:51,327
I actually asked him.
772
00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:52,829
I said, "you didn't have
anything to do with that?"
773
00:33:52,897 --> 00:33:54,631
And he was like, "hell, no!"
774
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:56,766
You know, like,
he got an attitude with you.
775
00:33:56,835 --> 00:33:59,101
Leila talked
about the relationship
776
00:33:59,103 --> 00:34:02,305
She had with robbie
and how much difficulty
777
00:34:02,307 --> 00:34:04,240
Debbie was
bringing into her life.
778
00:34:04,309 --> 00:34:05,842
When we told her
what robbie said yesterday,
779
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:08,478
She called bull on it and
she admitted
780
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:09,546
That during one
of their arguments,
781
00:34:09,614 --> 00:34:11,048
And they had a lot of them,
782
00:34:11,116 --> 00:34:13,850
She said he put hands on her
and tried to strangle her.
783
00:34:13,918 --> 00:34:16,118
Honestly, you're a victim too.
784
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,921
He strangled you
and he beat you
785
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:20,257
And you were smart enough
to leave his sorry ass.
786
00:34:20,259 --> 00:34:21,724
Koerner: He got away, yeah.
787
00:34:21,793 --> 00:34:25,796
Siegler: And, you know, they
say, in psychology terms,
788
00:34:25,864 --> 00:34:28,331
That if a man tries
to strangle a woman once,
789
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:29,732
He's likely
to repeat doing that,
790
00:34:29,801 --> 00:34:32,669
Which is exactly how
we think debbie was killed.
791
00:34:34,205 --> 00:34:35,672
Oh, that was so good.
792
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,408
I like her.
I really like her.
793
00:34:38,477 --> 00:34:40,210
- She's gonna be a good witness.
- I'm sweating.
794
00:34:40,278 --> 00:34:43,613
You tell your da
how good she is.
795
00:34:50,388 --> 00:34:51,788
Siegler: It's so weird to throw
796
00:34:51,856 --> 00:34:54,090
A brand-new name
in the mix, right?
797
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,658
We didn't even know about her.
798
00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:56,726
We're feeling good
about the case,
799
00:34:56,795 --> 00:35:00,496
But there's one last
potential witness to talk to--
800
00:35:00,498 --> 00:35:03,065
The woman that robert said
he was with
801
00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:04,667
The night before his wedding,
802
00:35:04,736 --> 00:35:07,503
Just weeks
before deborah was murdered.
803
00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:09,639
We did a little digging
and it looks like
804
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:11,340
She and robert
had a child together.
805
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:13,209
Are you the [bleep]
806
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:17,313
That used to run
with a robbie price?
807
00:35:17,382 --> 00:35:20,216
- Yes.
- We are actually investigating
808
00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:22,719
A cold case from '87.
809
00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:23,820
Deborah farlins.
I don't know
810
00:35:23,888 --> 00:35:25,822
If the name is...
Familiar to you
811
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:26,656
Having a thing.
812
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:30,426
- They found their body?
- Up in manteno.
813
00:35:30,495 --> 00:35:31,995
We know that robbie
obviously had
814
00:35:32,063 --> 00:35:33,529
Some stuff going on with you.
815
00:35:33,598 --> 00:35:35,531
We believe he had some stuff
going on with her and
816
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,934
Then he also married
leila thomas at the time.
817
00:35:38,002 --> 00:35:40,670
Well, we were kind of wondering
how your guys relationship was.
818
00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:45,075
We sort of parted when I was
pregnant with my son in '84.
819
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,611
Siegler: He said y'all had
hooked up September of '87.
820
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,081
Koerner: Yeah, he gave us
the interpretation
821
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,882
It was day before his wedding.
822
00:35:52,951 --> 00:35:53,950
He said he was with me?
823
00:35:54,018 --> 00:35:55,918
Koerner: The night before
he got married, yeah.
824
00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:58,488
[witness laughs]
god. No, he was not.
825
00:35:58,556 --> 00:36:00,090
Siegler:
And we know that debbie
826
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,591
Had just found out
she was pregnant
827
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:04,493
And she was pressuring
robbie and she was saying,
828
00:36:04,563 --> 00:36:07,030
"this baby's yours.
You're going to support it."
829
00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:09,966
So at that time,
what kind of financial pressure
830
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:12,969
Was on robbie from you,
for your son?
831
00:36:13,037 --> 00:36:14,370
- He never claimed them.
- Siegler: Oh.
832
00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:17,239
- Koerner: Really?
- It was a paternity suit.
833
00:36:17,241 --> 00:36:20,110
- We took him to court.
- Siegler: What year was that?
834
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:21,611
About '86.
835
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,780
Siegler: So when the baby was
a year, two years old,
836
00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:26,249
You were trying to get him
to be responsible.
837
00:36:26,318 --> 00:36:27,650
Right. Right.
838
00:36:27,652 --> 00:36:29,819
They actually had
to garnish his wages...
839
00:36:31,389 --> 00:36:33,790
- Because he denied it.
- Did leila know that?
840
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:35,125
That he was
paying child support?
841
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:37,360
I'm not for sure, because
842
00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:41,331
His new wife that he's with now
never even knew he had a son.
843
00:36:41,399 --> 00:36:44,467
If this woman was
really done with robert
844
00:36:44,469 --> 00:36:47,603
Well before 1987,
then why is he lying
845
00:36:47,672 --> 00:36:50,673
About being with her the night
before the wedding?
846
00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:51,640
- Siegler: Thank you.
- Koerner: Thank you.
847
00:36:51,642 --> 00:36:52,676
All right, bye-bye.
848
00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:55,912
More importantly, though,
now we have a brand-new witness
849
00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:58,614
Who also gives us
a better explanation
850
00:36:58,683 --> 00:37:00,950
Of a possible motive
for robert price
851
00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:01,884
If he's the killer,
852
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:03,419
I think he just was
not going to have
853
00:37:03,488 --> 00:37:05,521
Another pregnant woman
wanting child support.
854
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:07,456
He already went through court.
855
00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:08,791
He went through
the garnishing the wages.
856
00:37:08,793 --> 00:37:09,792
To have to tell that
to leila, twice.
857
00:37:09,861 --> 00:37:11,761
He tried denying paternity.
He lost.
858
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:13,730
Now he's getting
his money sucked away,
859
00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:16,066
And he wasn't going
to have it happen again.
860
00:37:16,134 --> 00:37:18,735
Yeah, that's tough to
explain to your girlfriend
861
00:37:18,803 --> 00:37:20,870
Of several years
that whoops, I did it again.
862
00:37:30,214 --> 00:37:31,814
- Morning.
- Good morning. Good morning.
863
00:37:31,816 --> 00:37:33,383
With everything
that we've learned,
864
00:37:33,451 --> 00:37:35,585
We are confident
that leila thomas
865
00:37:35,654 --> 00:37:37,454
Had absolutely nothing to do
866
00:37:37,456 --> 00:37:39,055
With deborah farlins' murder.
867
00:37:39,123 --> 00:37:42,558
And the circumstantial evidence
suggests that robert price
868
00:37:42,627 --> 00:37:44,861
Is solely responsible.
869
00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:46,896
Now we're going to help
detective andersen
870
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,599
Prepare for his presentation
of the case
871
00:37:49,667 --> 00:37:51,201
To his state's attorney,
jim rowe.
872
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:55,571
How many times have you ever
had to run down a cold case
873
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,008
- That's circumstantial?
- Zero.
874
00:37:58,076 --> 00:38:00,476
That's what I feared. That's
because it's not very common.
875
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:02,078
I used to be the prosecutor
that sat
876
00:38:02,146 --> 00:38:03,279
On this side of the desk
877
00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:04,747
That all the cops
ran those cases down to.
878
00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:07,417
Look at me and tell me
what was going on with her.
879
00:38:07,485 --> 00:38:09,585
So at some point,
880
00:38:09,654 --> 00:38:12,622
Robert and his
longtime girlfriend leila mae
881
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,591
Move in across the street
from the farlins family.
882
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:17,794
Deborah and robert
start hooking up.
883
00:38:17,862 --> 00:38:19,595
Deborah ends up
getting pregnant,
884
00:38:19,664 --> 00:38:22,032
And the relationship starts
to go south,
885
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,568
And deborah
wants more from robert.
886
00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:27,870
Yeah, and it's important to set
the scene
887
00:38:27,872 --> 00:38:31,007
With the way things
are building to a crescendo.
888
00:38:31,075 --> 00:38:32,909
At this time in his life,
889
00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:36,345
Robbie has already
gotten another woman pregnant.
890
00:38:36,415 --> 00:38:37,780
She's already
taken him to court.
891
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:39,649
He's having
to pay child support.
892
00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:41,517
His wages are being garnished.
893
00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:44,453
And now, all of a sudden,
here's a new girl
894
00:38:44,455 --> 00:38:46,622
Saying,
"I got your baby, too."
895
00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:48,358
And now talk
about these letters.
896
00:38:48,426 --> 00:38:49,725
She's basically
telling him that
897
00:38:49,794 --> 00:38:50,860
He's not going
to get out of this.
898
00:38:50,929 --> 00:38:53,029
He's going to end up
paying for it
899
00:38:53,097 --> 00:38:54,331
One way or the other.
900
00:38:54,399 --> 00:38:55,898
"I ain't getting no abortion.
901
00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:58,468
You're stuck with me for
the rest of your life."
902
00:38:58,536 --> 00:38:59,936
Then the next thing we
know is...
903
00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:01,438
She doesn't
show up for work,
904
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:02,839
She doesn't come
back to the house.
905
00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:05,842
Her red fiero is found
right around the corner
906
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:08,244
From robbie price's mom's house.
907
00:39:08,313 --> 00:39:11,814
The keys ended up in the flower
bed of the farlins's house.
908
00:39:11,816 --> 00:39:13,283
Rhetorical question:
909
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:16,218
Do you think debbie threw
her own keys in the flower bed?
910
00:39:16,288 --> 00:39:17,653
Do you think some random
person
911
00:39:17,722 --> 00:39:19,555
Bothered to go back to
her parents' home
912
00:39:19,624 --> 00:39:21,291
And throw the keys in
the flower bed?
913
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:22,825
Who lives across the street?
914
00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:24,394
- Andersen: Yeah, robbie.
- Siegler: Okay.
915
00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,097
So November 28,
hunters find the remains.
916
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:29,966
One of the hotels
that he frequented
917
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:34,170
Is approximately half mile
to a mile down the road.
918
00:39:34,238 --> 00:39:35,538
With the strangulation aspect,
919
00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:38,208
Debbie makes a report that
920
00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:39,509
Robbie's already battered her.
921
00:39:39,577 --> 00:39:41,277
He's got
upcoming court dates.
922
00:39:41,346 --> 00:39:43,546
And when we talk to leila,
923
00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:45,848
She confirms his qualifications
924
00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:47,016
Before and after
their marriage.
925
00:39:51,623 --> 00:39:53,456
Okay, so now,
926
00:39:53,525 --> 00:39:57,126
I think you jump
to your interview of him.
927
00:39:57,195 --> 00:39:58,828
We go to kentucky.
We approach robbie.
928
00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:01,731
He denies that he knows
that she's missing.
929
00:40:01,799 --> 00:40:04,133
Spingola: Do you remember
when deborah went missing?
930
00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:05,768
Nothing.
931
00:40:05,837 --> 00:40:08,204
He claims to have no
knowledge that she was pregnant.
932
00:40:08,272 --> 00:40:10,272
- Siegler: Yes!
- Even though it caused
933
00:40:10,342 --> 00:40:13,075
Quite a bit of arguments
between robbie and leila.
934
00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:16,613
Give me a break. And then,
what else does he deny?
935
00:40:16,615 --> 00:40:18,614
No problem with leila.
936
00:40:18,683 --> 00:40:20,350
Didn't y'all
get into arguments about it,
937
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,551
You and robbie?
938
00:40:21,619 --> 00:40:23,285
Yeah, because
I told him that I heard
939
00:40:23,355 --> 00:40:24,621
That she was pregnant by him.
940
00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:27,156
The three things
that he's backing away from
941
00:40:27,225 --> 00:40:30,160
Are the three biggest pieces
of the whole damn case.
942
00:40:30,228 --> 00:40:32,295
Friction in the marriage
over a woman.
943
00:40:32,363 --> 00:40:34,063
"I get the woman pregnant,
944
00:40:34,132 --> 00:40:36,198
And I didn't even
know she went missing"!
945
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,701
He's got everything to lose
by her being alive
946
00:40:38,703 --> 00:40:40,836
And everything to gain
by her being gone.
947
00:40:40,905 --> 00:40:44,373
Yes. Only one person
in the world needs to lie--
948
00:40:44,375 --> 00:40:45,641
The person who did it.
949
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:47,677
And in the whole wide world,
950
00:40:47,745 --> 00:40:49,845
You think somebody else
killed her?
951
00:40:49,914 --> 00:40:52,148
Well, that's some hell
of a coincidental timing.
952
00:40:52,216 --> 00:40:54,451
Some random guy happened
upon her and killed her
953
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,586
When all these things
are coming
954
00:40:56,654 --> 00:40:58,288
To crash down on his head.
955
00:40:58,356 --> 00:40:59,855
Logan, you also get to say
956
00:40:59,924 --> 00:41:01,591
There's a community of
people out there
957
00:41:01,659 --> 00:41:03,259
That think
the kankakee police department
958
00:41:03,327 --> 00:41:05,995
Didn't care back in 1987,
959
00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:08,264
And they're wondering
how much we care today.
960
00:41:08,332 --> 00:41:11,200
And I want you to
show them how much we care.
961
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:13,102
And I want you
to file this case.
962
00:41:21,846 --> 00:41:25,748
♪ I have plenty of regrets ♪
963
00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:34,924
♪ all of them are soaked
in silence... ♪
964
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:36,625
Siegler: You should be
very proud of yourself.
965
00:41:36,695 --> 00:41:38,194
Andersen: I'm proud of the team.
966
00:41:38,262 --> 00:41:40,830
Everybody
really brought this together.
967
00:41:40,899 --> 00:41:42,532
There's so much
that was done,
968
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,300
So much
that was looked at that
969
00:41:44,368 --> 00:41:46,235
I never would have done and
I never would have looked at
970
00:41:46,304 --> 00:41:47,637
Without the team.
971
00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:52,208
- Hello, ladies.
- Hello.
972
00:41:52,276 --> 00:41:54,310
- Doing okay today?
- Yes.
973
00:41:54,378 --> 00:41:55,611
Yes, good.
974
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,247
So we called you
here today, obviously,
975
00:41:58,316 --> 00:42:01,183
To let you know how
the case has gone thus far.
976
00:42:01,252 --> 00:42:03,719
We've done a lot of work
in the last couple weeks.
977
00:42:03,788 --> 00:42:05,854
We had the meeting with jim rowe
978
00:42:05,856 --> 00:42:07,990
From the state's attorney's
office this morning,
979
00:42:07,992 --> 00:42:11,293
And after hearing
the facts of the case,
980
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:14,563
He wants to shore up a few
last minute things
981
00:42:14,633 --> 00:42:16,632
That he feels are important,
982
00:42:16,634 --> 00:42:19,168
But he's confident
in filing charges.
983
00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:21,337
Against who?
984
00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:22,839
Robert price, jr.
985
00:42:24,308 --> 00:42:25,675
Okay.
986
00:42:27,479 --> 00:42:30,379
All these years,
I wanted to be mad at that man
987
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,215
And really hate him,
but I wasn't sure whether
988
00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:35,084
He was the one who did it
or not.
989
00:42:35,086 --> 00:42:37,820
And I know tonight
she is happy,
990
00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:40,523
And she gets to rest
in peace.
991
00:42:40,591 --> 00:42:42,958
It has changed my perspective
992
00:42:43,027 --> 00:42:44,894
Of the kankakee
police department,
993
00:42:44,962 --> 00:42:47,229
And sergeant andersen
is the one who did that.
994
00:42:47,298 --> 00:42:48,898
Thank you,
detective andersen,
995
00:42:48,966 --> 00:42:51,267
For sticking with this
996
00:42:51,335 --> 00:42:53,369
And believing
that you could solve it.
997
00:42:53,437 --> 00:42:55,237
- Thank you.
- Andersen: Absolutely.
998
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,708
If you trust god,
he will see you through.
999
00:42:59,878 --> 00:43:01,010
But thank god for favors.
1000
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,312
- He sent this man.
- That's right.
1001
00:43:03,381 --> 00:43:04,280
Thank you.
1002
00:43:05,383 --> 00:43:08,651
I'll never forget our time
working here in kankakee,
1003
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,521
How detective andersen
brought us in and gave answers,
1004
00:43:12,523 --> 00:43:16,592
Peace of mind,
and hopefully soon, justice
1005
00:43:16,661 --> 00:43:18,528
To deborah farlin's family.
1006
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:21,130
He's a good man
and a great cop.
1007
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:22,998
Well, it was wonderful
meeting you ladies.
1008
00:43:23,067 --> 00:43:24,334
Thank you.
Thank you for the work,
1009
00:43:24,402 --> 00:43:26,536
- Thank you.
- So good. Thank you.
1010
00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:27,803
Can I hug you, miss emma?
1011
00:43:27,872 --> 00:43:29,038
It was nice to meet you.
1012
00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:32,041
Thank you.
1013
00:43:32,977 --> 00:43:34,143
[siegler sighs]