1 00:00:13,179 --> 00:00:15,914 Woman: ♪ the shadows of a man ♪ 2 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:19,151 ♪ will keep you guessing ♪ 3 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:23,255 ♪ the shadows of a man ♪ 4 00:00:23,323 --> 00:00:28,527 ♪ will take their toll ♪ 5 00:00:28,595 --> 00:00:30,695 ♪ and the shadows of a man... ♪ 6 00:00:30,764 --> 00:00:32,531 - Hey, jeff. - Hey, how's it going? 7 00:00:32,599 --> 00:00:34,299 - How are you? - Good. How was your flight? 8 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:36,801 It was good. Don't you like this montana air, man? 9 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:39,805 It is beautiful. These mountains, it's surreal. 10 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:41,073 - Let's go. - All right. 11 00:00:46,646 --> 00:00:48,613 Kelly siegler: I'm here in kalispell, montana, 12 00:00:48,682 --> 00:00:51,850 With detective jeff cowan, who's leading a new cold case unit 13 00:00:51,919 --> 00:00:54,086 For the abilene police department in texas. 14 00:00:54,154 --> 00:00:55,987 We're on our way now to meet with the family 15 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:57,622 Of jennifer servo, 16 00:00:57,691 --> 00:01:00,358 A beautiful and talented young lady 17 00:01:00,427 --> 00:01:04,196 Whose 2002 murder devastated the town of abilene. 18 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:06,531 Steve is really fired up about this case, 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,534 And he's already down in abilene lining up witnesses. 20 00:01:09,603 --> 00:01:11,703 We'll meet up with him soon. 21 00:01:11,772 --> 00:01:14,406 Jeff, why'd you want to work this case foremost? 22 00:01:14,475 --> 00:01:17,442 It's probably the highest profile case abilene has. 23 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:20,545 Young, attractive female in the news world. 24 00:01:20,547 --> 00:01:23,382 She got called by a news station to come to abilene and work. 25 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:24,917 What I read in the case file 26 00:01:24,985 --> 00:01:26,585 Was she wanted to be the next katie couric. 27 00:01:26,653 --> 00:01:28,787 Good evening. I'm jennifer servo. 28 00:01:28,855 --> 00:01:30,689 Montana heart center, the newest addition... 29 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:32,925 So it sounded like she had her goals set really, really high. 30 00:01:32,993 --> 00:01:34,459 Very, very career driven. 31 00:01:34,528 --> 00:01:37,362 She moved to abilene in July. 32 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:40,064 Yeah, her mom moves her into her apartment, 33 00:01:40,066 --> 00:01:43,034 Drives home, and her baby's dead, what, two months later? 34 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:44,669 Just a tragedy. 35 00:01:44,738 --> 00:01:46,905 One of our reporters, jennifer servo, 36 00:01:46,973 --> 00:01:48,707 Was found dead in her apartment today, 37 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:50,142 And police suspect foul play. 38 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:51,676 Siegler: In the early morning hours 39 00:01:51,678 --> 00:01:54,379 Of September 16th, 2002, 40 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:58,250 22-year-old jennifer servo was alone in her new apartment, 41 00:01:58,318 --> 00:02:00,452 Chatting with a friend on the telephone. 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,020 She said goodbye to that friend 43 00:02:02,089 --> 00:02:03,788 A little before 2:00 in the morning, 44 00:02:03,857 --> 00:02:06,658 And that was the last time anyone has ever talked to her. 45 00:02:06,726 --> 00:02:09,861 Two days later, jennifer's body was found 46 00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:11,996 Slumped over her bathtub. 47 00:02:11,998 --> 00:02:13,866 She had been beaten and was strangled to death. 48 00:02:13,934 --> 00:02:16,135 You know, I always get more nervous 49 00:02:16,203 --> 00:02:18,370 When I meet moms that have lost their babies. 50 00:02:18,438 --> 00:02:20,705 I gotta tell you, I'm pretty nervous 51 00:02:20,707 --> 00:02:21,974 About meeting jennifer's mom 52 00:02:22,042 --> 00:02:23,575 Just because all she's been through. 53 00:02:23,644 --> 00:02:26,177 - How do you lose your kid? - I don't know. 54 00:02:26,179 --> 00:02:29,648 The family, they have wanted justice for a long time. 55 00:02:29,716 --> 00:02:32,817 They've been a big advocate for this. 56 00:02:32,886 --> 00:02:34,286 Never given up hope. 57 00:02:34,354 --> 00:02:36,588 My daughter mallory was born a week 58 00:02:36,657 --> 00:02:38,991 After jen had moved down to texas. 59 00:02:39,059 --> 00:02:40,492 Right after, this happened. 60 00:02:40,561 --> 00:02:42,394 That was the hardest part for me. 61 00:02:42,462 --> 00:02:44,029 She never got to meet mallory. 62 00:02:44,097 --> 00:02:47,499 The investigation focused on two primary suspects-- 63 00:02:47,567 --> 00:02:51,169 Her recent ex, 35-year-old ralph sepulveda, 64 00:02:51,238 --> 00:02:52,837 A former army ranger, 65 00:02:52,906 --> 00:02:55,406 And tv weatherman brian travers, 66 00:02:55,476 --> 00:02:58,476 Who was the last person to see her alive. 67 00:02:58,545 --> 00:03:01,580 Cowan: They're hoping, I think, one day, to get that phone call 68 00:03:01,648 --> 00:03:03,548 Of "hey, we've got this thing solved. 69 00:03:03,616 --> 00:03:04,716 We've got somebody in custody." 70 00:03:11,025 --> 00:03:12,758 - Hi. - Hello. 71 00:03:12,826 --> 00:03:13,525 - How you doing? - Hi. Good. 72 00:03:13,593 --> 00:03:14,826 How are you guys? 73 00:03:14,895 --> 00:03:16,461 Thanks for coming. I'm krista. 74 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:17,696 Nice to meet you. 75 00:03:17,764 --> 00:03:20,198 - Hi. Sherry. - Nice to meet you. 76 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,935 Sherry: So glad to meet you. 77 00:03:23,003 --> 00:03:24,836 Cowan: Well, thank you, folks, for meeting with us. 78 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:27,305 Thank you for being interested in this. 79 00:03:27,374 --> 00:03:29,107 I wanna hear about jennifer. 80 00:03:29,176 --> 00:03:32,210 We were close. We were four years apart in age. 81 00:03:32,278 --> 00:03:35,780 As the little sister, she kind of liked to tag along 82 00:03:35,782 --> 00:03:38,884 With whatever things my friends and I were doing. 83 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:47,892 Just fun-loving and happy. Had lots of friends. 84 00:03:47,894 --> 00:03:50,696 She was in cross country. She was a cheerleader. 85 00:03:50,764 --> 00:03:52,764 Everybody really liked her. 86 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:55,366 How did the army reserve thing happen? 87 00:03:55,436 --> 00:03:59,671 She watched pauly shore's "in the army now." 88 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:01,773 Oh, god, that's funny. 89 00:04:01,842 --> 00:04:04,609 So she had to go down once a month for training 90 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:06,277 While she was in high school. 91 00:04:06,279 --> 00:04:10,882 She got excited when she could take her army gun apart 92 00:04:10,951 --> 00:04:14,253 In so many seconds and put it back together again. 93 00:04:15,455 --> 00:04:19,891 Jen was working on her journalism degree. 94 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,562 She started working at the news station in missoula. 95 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:24,963 I'm here on big mountain 96 00:04:25,031 --> 00:04:26,698 Overlooking the moose creek fire. 97 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:28,833 After college, she applied at abilene 98 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:30,868 And got word that they wanted to hire her. 99 00:04:30,938 --> 00:04:35,940 So she and mom drove down to abilene with a u-haul trailer. 100 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:38,677 She had a romantic vision of texas. 101 00:04:38,745 --> 00:04:40,478 It's going to be full of cowboys, 102 00:04:40,547 --> 00:04:42,781 Cowboy hats, and cowboy boots. 103 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:44,882 And she was excited. 104 00:04:44,952 --> 00:04:47,285 These men and women of the 39th airlift squadron 105 00:04:47,354 --> 00:04:49,487 Knew they would be deployed to central command, 106 00:04:49,556 --> 00:04:51,656 But they didn't realize just how soon. 107 00:04:51,725 --> 00:04:54,092 I'm jennifer servo, krbc 9. 108 00:04:58,498 --> 00:05:04,036 I had a funny feeling in my heart for several days 109 00:05:04,104 --> 00:05:06,138 Before I got notified that she was gone. 110 00:05:08,708 --> 00:05:10,842 There was a knock on my door, 111 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:14,512 And I couldn't figure out why a police officer was at my door. 112 00:05:14,581 --> 00:05:18,382 And I opened up the door and I said, "it's jen, isn't it?" 113 00:05:18,384 --> 00:05:22,054 And he said, "yes, ma'am. We gotta get your husband home." 114 00:05:22,122 --> 00:05:24,122 I said, "is she dead?" 115 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:27,659 And he said, "yes, ma'am. I'm sorry." 116 00:05:33,299 --> 00:05:37,035 Something like this you think always happens to somebody else, 117 00:05:37,103 --> 00:05:39,938 And when it happens to you or your family, 118 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:43,107 You're just devastated. 119 00:05:43,177 --> 00:05:46,278 The file kind of hints that some of y'all were talking 120 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,546 To her harder about this new relationship. 121 00:05:48,615 --> 00:05:50,048 - Mm-hmm. - Christa: That was me. 122 00:05:50,117 --> 00:05:54,152 She had told us just fairly recently 123 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:57,155 That this person, ralph, was going to move down with her. 124 00:05:57,224 --> 00:05:58,623 And I had never met ralph, 125 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:01,359 And she hadn't known him for very long. 126 00:06:01,427 --> 00:06:04,730 They had met at an army reserve training session. 127 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:08,733 It was a brand-new relationship. She's kind of infatuated. 128 00:06:08,735 --> 00:06:10,568 What did she see in him, do you think? 129 00:06:10,637 --> 00:06:14,906 Maybe the toughness that he was an army ranger, 130 00:06:14,975 --> 00:06:17,108 And she thought that was pretty cool. 131 00:06:17,177 --> 00:06:19,744 He was quite a bit older than her, 132 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:22,180 And maybe it was a little bit of security. 133 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:24,149 She was afraid to go to a new place. 134 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:28,853 And I said that to her, and she was mad and argued with me. 135 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:31,990 But I think she told ralph that maybe "you shouldn't come." 136 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:34,692 And he talked her into it. He says, "I'll help you. 137 00:06:34,761 --> 00:06:36,861 I won't stay. I'll just help you. 138 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:38,830 I've already quit my job. 139 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:41,800 I've already got a u-haul truck rented." 140 00:06:41,868 --> 00:06:45,403 He just, you know, made her feel guilty 141 00:06:45,471 --> 00:06:47,906 For making him change all his plans. 142 00:06:47,974 --> 00:06:50,074 Siegler: He got there pretty quickly, too. 143 00:06:50,143 --> 00:06:54,746 Yeah, I think he was there, like, the day after, 144 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:56,314 Probably when we got there. 145 00:06:56,383 --> 00:06:59,984 Okay. So he spent at least a day or two with you, 146 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:02,620 Watching him interact, before you came back. 147 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:07,291 He seemed okay. He seemed nice to her. 148 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:10,061 And I thought, well, maybe I have to give him a chance. 149 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:13,365 Siegler: Jennifer and ralph had instant chemistry. 150 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,367 They only knew each other about a month 151 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:17,569 Before he decided to uproot his life 152 00:07:17,637 --> 00:07:20,504 And aggressively pursue her. 153 00:07:20,506 --> 00:07:23,441 But within weeks, jennifer realized she'd made a mistake. 154 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:24,809 They got down there. 155 00:07:24,811 --> 00:07:26,945 She was already not happy with him, 156 00:07:27,013 --> 00:07:30,248 But then she found out that he had been engaged 157 00:07:30,317 --> 00:07:33,552 And that he had had a child. 158 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:35,553 That's when she really-- she was done. 159 00:07:35,622 --> 00:07:38,190 Obviously misled. And then he's down there, 160 00:07:38,258 --> 00:07:40,192 And it kind of just throws gas in the fire. 161 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:41,993 Right. 162 00:07:42,062 --> 00:07:45,063 Siegler: Jennifer broke up with ralph, kicked him out, 163 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:47,332 And then he moved into a nearby apartment. 164 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,968 She then had a brief fling with a co-worker 165 00:07:50,036 --> 00:07:52,571 And one of our other suspects, brian travers. 166 00:07:52,573 --> 00:07:55,373 So, how did ralph feel about jennifer moving on? 167 00:07:55,442 --> 00:07:59,911 I think I felt more at ease that he had moved out. 168 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:04,282 And I hoped and, of course, prayed 169 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:06,217 That he would not hurt her in any way. 170 00:08:06,286 --> 00:08:08,953 And I mentioned it to jen. 171 00:08:08,955 --> 00:08:13,625 "are you worried that he might retaliate or something?" 172 00:08:13,693 --> 00:08:16,528 But she said, "no, we're still friends." 173 00:08:16,596 --> 00:08:21,265 But as far as up to that moment, he hadn't said anything 174 00:08:21,335 --> 00:08:25,337 Or did anything to alarm you that, hey, 175 00:08:25,405 --> 00:08:27,505 This person is possibly going to do something to my daughter? 176 00:08:27,573 --> 00:08:28,606 No. 177 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:31,009 But the mother intuition was there. 178 00:08:31,077 --> 00:08:32,810 That's what you're kind of insinuating. 179 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:36,047 Yeah. When I left jen's apartment 180 00:08:36,116 --> 00:08:38,450 The day that they were taking me to the airport... 181 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:40,384 - Uh-huh. - ...We were leaving, 182 00:08:40,454 --> 00:08:43,655 And I turned around, just said, 183 00:08:43,723 --> 00:08:46,024 "hey, let me get a picture of you guys." 184 00:08:47,927 --> 00:08:50,428 In the back of my mind, I want a picture of him 185 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:53,865 In case I needed to show the police someday 186 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:56,801 If he ever hurts a hair on her head. 187 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,137 And that was the last picture of her 188 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:00,571 And the last picture of him. 189 00:09:00,641 --> 00:09:02,006 Do you know who the brian is 190 00:09:02,075 --> 00:09:04,542 She's hanging out with from abilene? Y'all do? 191 00:09:04,611 --> 00:09:07,145 He's this other suspect. 192 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:09,180 And he came to the funeral. So you got to meet him then. 193 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:10,882 Mm-hmm. 194 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:13,117 - And? - Nice enough kid. 195 00:09:13,186 --> 00:09:15,353 But I wasn't sure if I should trust him or not 196 00:09:15,422 --> 00:09:19,057 Because I knew that he liked jen. 197 00:09:19,125 --> 00:09:22,326 But jen wanted to be footloose and fancy-free 198 00:09:22,396 --> 00:09:24,929 And enjoy her new life. 199 00:09:24,998 --> 00:09:27,599 But, uh... 200 00:09:27,667 --> 00:09:31,369 So he was always in the back of my mind. 201 00:09:31,437 --> 00:09:33,371 You wondered. 202 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,606 I don't know how they've done it. 203 00:09:35,676 --> 00:09:37,441 I don't know how they still have it together, 204 00:09:37,443 --> 00:09:40,912 How they deal with losing a 22-year-old sister 205 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:44,615 And, worse, a 22-year-old child. 206 00:09:44,617 --> 00:09:46,051 It's unbelievable. 207 00:09:47,287 --> 00:09:50,622 This is a hard case with witnesses and suspects 208 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:53,258 Scattered all across the country. 209 00:09:53,326 --> 00:09:56,360 The pressure for poor jeff and the police department, 210 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:57,762 If it wasn't enough already, 211 00:09:57,764 --> 00:09:59,463 'cause this is abilene police department's 212 00:09:59,465 --> 00:10:01,799 Biggest unsolved case-- 213 00:10:01,868 --> 00:10:04,602 The pressure doesn't really get any bigger than this, honestly, 214 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:06,237 On a cold case. 215 00:10:06,306 --> 00:10:07,805 I'm gonna feel really, really bad 216 00:10:07,874 --> 00:10:10,241 If we do all this and don't get anywhere. 217 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:22,687 Steve spingola: When I first read the jennifer servo case, 218 00:10:22,755 --> 00:10:24,122 It actually broke my heart. 219 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:25,923 I'm the father of two daughters, 220 00:10:25,992 --> 00:10:28,126 And as a parent, this is your worst nightmare. 221 00:10:28,194 --> 00:10:29,761 Jennifer servo, a young woman 222 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:31,329 Who had just graduated from college, 223 00:10:31,397 --> 00:10:32,631 Her mother got that phone call 224 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:35,399 That every parent dreads. Truly a tragic case, 225 00:10:35,468 --> 00:10:37,568 Probably one of the more vicious that I've ever investigated. 226 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:39,203 - Thank you, sir. - Yes, ma'am. 227 00:10:39,272 --> 00:10:41,372 - Ooh. How y'all been? - What's up? 228 00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:42,773 I'm glad kelly's back from montana 229 00:10:42,775 --> 00:10:44,609 So we can dive right into this case. 230 00:10:44,677 --> 00:10:47,845 Start off by telling us what you can, mr. Jeff. 231 00:10:47,914 --> 00:10:49,547 What I understand happened 232 00:10:49,616 --> 00:10:52,016 Is she'd not been heard from in a few days. 233 00:10:52,018 --> 00:10:54,385 So the news station she worked at 234 00:10:54,387 --> 00:10:56,020 Actually called the apartment complex 235 00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:58,089 And asked for a check welfare. 236 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:02,660 The apartment complex employees go over to the apartment. 237 00:11:02,729 --> 00:11:07,799 By the bed, you see what looks like obvious blood, 238 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:11,202 And then you can see drag marks through the living room. 239 00:11:11,271 --> 00:11:14,439 And they find ms. Servo in the bathroom, 240 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:16,074 Face down in the tub. 241 00:11:16,142 --> 00:11:17,575 There's no water in her lungs, 242 00:11:17,643 --> 00:11:19,110 So she's dead before she goes into that tub. 243 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:20,912 Spingola: Jennifer's autopsy revealed 244 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:22,580 Multiple blunt force injuries, 245 00:11:22,649 --> 00:11:24,649 Though she died of manual strangulation. 246 00:11:24,718 --> 00:11:27,385 She also had a large area of bruising around her genitals, 247 00:11:27,454 --> 00:11:28,986 But no internal injuries. 248 00:11:29,055 --> 00:11:30,689 There's no blood. There's no semen in her vagina 249 00:11:30,757 --> 00:11:32,723 From the sexual assault kit. 250 00:11:32,725 --> 00:11:34,759 So it's unclear if she was actually sexually assaulted. 251 00:11:34,827 --> 00:11:38,029 She had a t-shirt on, plaid boxer shorts. 252 00:11:38,097 --> 00:11:40,564 Having worked many sexual assault investigations, 253 00:11:40,566 --> 00:11:42,200 They don't re-dress their victims. 254 00:11:42,202 --> 00:11:43,334 That's really rare. 255 00:11:43,336 --> 00:11:45,569 And I gotta say, that crime scene 256 00:11:45,571 --> 00:11:48,573 Is very confusing to me as to exactly how it happened, 257 00:11:48,641 --> 00:11:51,242 Where, and how she ends up in that bathroom. 258 00:11:51,311 --> 00:11:54,579 Investigators found no evidence of forced entry. 259 00:11:54,647 --> 00:11:58,082 And even though her purse was never located, it doesn't appear 260 00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:00,284 That jennifer's apartment was burglarized. 261 00:12:00,286 --> 00:12:04,556 Okay, so, first of all, we got our unknown suspect up here. 262 00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:05,956 Cowan: You have the apartment complex. 263 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:07,625 You have a lot of people coming and going. 264 00:12:07,627 --> 00:12:11,795 Fingerprints, blood, fluid, and hair samples 265 00:12:11,797 --> 00:12:14,599 Collected from the scene did not point to any new leads. 266 00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:18,469 We still need to consider that an unknown intruder 267 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:20,571 Might have killed jennifer, but we're also taking 268 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:23,708 A hard look at her two recent exes. 269 00:12:23,776 --> 00:12:26,044 Brian travers. 270 00:12:26,112 --> 00:12:27,478 How long had they known each other? 271 00:12:27,547 --> 00:12:29,213 Two months. 'cause he was already there working 272 00:12:29,215 --> 00:12:30,482 The news station when she showed up. 273 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:32,917 Siegler: We know they had sex at least once. 274 00:12:32,986 --> 00:12:34,586 At least once, possibly twice. 275 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:36,354 I think he's infatuated with her. 276 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:38,122 You know, she's a new hot commodity. 277 00:12:38,124 --> 00:12:40,124 She mentions her relationship with brian 278 00:12:40,126 --> 00:12:41,392 As being three days or so. 279 00:12:41,461 --> 00:12:43,027 Siegler: And according to her diary, 280 00:12:43,096 --> 00:12:44,896 She told him "you're not my type. 281 00:12:44,964 --> 00:12:46,498 We need to just be friends." 282 00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:48,332 What raises him on my radar 283 00:12:48,401 --> 00:12:51,769 Is you're the last person seen with her. 284 00:12:51,837 --> 00:12:54,272 Spingola: On the night of September 15th, 285 00:12:54,340 --> 00:12:56,907 Jennifer and brian left work at around 11 p.M. 286 00:12:56,977 --> 00:12:58,543 And went to run errands together. 287 00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:00,912 She said goodbye to him about 12:30 a.M., 288 00:13:00,980 --> 00:13:03,181 Drove herself home, and then talked on a telephone 289 00:13:03,249 --> 00:13:05,850 To a friend until about 1:39 a.M., 290 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,419 Making brian the last person to see her alive. 291 00:13:08,421 --> 00:13:12,356 I think he's cooperative initially, travers. 292 00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:14,959 Two detectives go to the apartment 293 00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:16,360 To do a walkthrough, 294 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:19,997 And they're using travers as the person 295 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:22,166 To see if anything's missing from the apartment. 296 00:13:22,168 --> 00:13:24,602 Have they asked him for a buccal swab or anything at this point? 297 00:13:24,670 --> 00:13:26,404 They do acquire a buccal swab. 298 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,439 Spingola: While processing the crime scene, 299 00:13:28,441 --> 00:13:30,841 Officers collected the bedsheets and sent them to the crime lab. 300 00:13:30,911 --> 00:13:33,144 They found semen stains on the sheets 301 00:13:33,212 --> 00:13:35,112 And the dna matched brian. 302 00:13:35,181 --> 00:13:36,815 But since they had a prior sexual relationship, 303 00:13:36,883 --> 00:13:39,117 It's not proof that he's the one who attacked her. 304 00:13:39,185 --> 00:13:40,785 But it doesn't rule him out either. 305 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:42,921 From that point on, how is he acting 306 00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:44,622 And how's his interview go? 307 00:13:44,691 --> 00:13:46,825 His interviews, I think, are pretty good. 308 00:13:46,893 --> 00:13:48,259 The questions being asked of him, 309 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:50,228 Was anything off that night? 310 00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:52,630 He gives the officers a statement 311 00:13:52,698 --> 00:13:55,667 Saying, "oh, when we were out, we saw this car" 312 00:13:55,735 --> 00:13:57,769 And possibly that vehicle following them. 313 00:13:57,837 --> 00:13:59,570 - Right. - Brian tells investigators 314 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:02,673 That there was a car following him and jennifer that night. 315 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:04,975 He's cooperated with police from the very beginning. 316 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:07,478 But is his cooperation genuine 317 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,314 Or a ploy to steer the cops away from himself as a suspect? 318 00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:13,184 Okay, ralph sepulveda was how old? 319 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:15,587 - 35. - An army ranger. 320 00:14:15,655 --> 00:14:17,321 They're not just kind of hanging out. 321 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:20,658 They're together day and night from the very beginning. 322 00:14:20,727 --> 00:14:23,861 What bothers me is the fact that when she gets her job, 323 00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:26,130 It's like, "hey, I'll go with you. I'll move with you." 324 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:28,065 Siegler: It's all moving at warp speed. 325 00:14:28,134 --> 00:14:29,900 How long does he get to be in texas 326 00:14:29,902 --> 00:14:32,503 Before she says "I don't think this is such a great idea"? 327 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:34,606 - Three weeks or less. - Yeah, it's fast. 328 00:14:34,674 --> 00:14:38,976 He moved out on August the 6th. He got his own apartment. 329 00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:41,612 August. So he'd been out a little over a month. 330 00:14:41,681 --> 00:14:44,148 So he's got a timeline here, the 15th. 331 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:47,018 "wrote and worked on my apology letter 332 00:14:47,086 --> 00:14:50,054 To my ex-girlfriend." back in montana. 333 00:14:50,122 --> 00:14:51,655 Watched the raiders game, went to bed at 10:30. 334 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:53,858 He puts himself in bed at 10:30. 335 00:14:53,926 --> 00:14:55,859 - So he's got no alibi, right? - Correct. 336 00:14:55,929 --> 00:14:58,863 Also, why is he writing an apology letter to an ex? 337 00:14:58,931 --> 00:15:00,498 I'm gonna just put her name up here, 338 00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:02,233 Question mark, because we gotta find her. 339 00:15:02,301 --> 00:15:05,169 Ralph was a quiet and reserved guy, 340 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:07,372 Kind of a loner who kept to himself. 341 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,674 So talking to his ex-girlfriend, 342 00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:12,777 Who he broke up with for jennifer back in montana, 343 00:15:12,845 --> 00:15:14,578 Might help us better understand 344 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:16,947 His state of mind around the time of jennifer's death. 345 00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:18,716 - Hello, guys. - How are you? 346 00:15:18,785 --> 00:15:20,284 You'll have a seat right here, guys. 347 00:15:20,352 --> 00:15:21,753 Siegler: In the meantime, 348 00:15:21,821 --> 00:15:24,121 Retired detectives jeff bell and david atkins, 349 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:26,924 Two of the first investigators on the case, came in 350 00:15:26,992 --> 00:15:31,128 To give us their firsthand account of how he acted. 351 00:15:31,197 --> 00:15:34,665 I actually was called to the scene the day of. 352 00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:36,800 Ralph sepulveda's name came up 353 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:39,037 As an immediate person that we needed to speak with. 354 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,472 What were your first impressions of him? 355 00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:43,040 Very matter of fact. 356 00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:45,809 He was not emotional in any form or fashion. 357 00:15:45,811 --> 00:15:47,879 Just didn't ask the right questions. 358 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:49,047 "jennifer's dead," 359 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:50,748 And he was like, "oh, that sucks." 360 00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:54,318 He never asked how did she die, 361 00:15:54,387 --> 00:15:55,853 What happened to her. 362 00:15:55,922 --> 00:15:57,088 Never asked for the details 363 00:15:57,156 --> 00:16:00,124 That you would expect someone to ask. 364 00:16:00,192 --> 00:16:01,793 Seemed strange to me at the time. 365 00:16:01,861 --> 00:16:04,996 He moved away from abilene in just a few weeks. 366 00:16:05,064 --> 00:16:07,965 Well, then later on, we found out that he had rejoined 367 00:16:08,033 --> 00:16:10,334 The active duty military. 368 00:16:10,403 --> 00:16:13,471 We were asking what type of military training had he had 369 00:16:13,539 --> 00:16:17,174 That he had training to defend somebody 370 00:16:17,243 --> 00:16:19,543 Interrogating him, and he denied that. 371 00:16:19,612 --> 00:16:20,945 But when we were talking to him, 372 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:24,382 Jeff can tell you he sat extremely stoic 373 00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:26,684 To where there was no body language to read. 374 00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:28,719 - Huh. - We talked to family, 375 00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:32,189 And family even said that after this happened, 376 00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:35,526 He just cut ties and didn't communicate with anyone. 377 00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:37,929 - Okay. - I am a firm believer 378 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,863 Everybody's a suspect until they're crossed off. 379 00:16:39,865 --> 00:16:42,900 But it is just important to rule people out 380 00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:46,370 As it is to find the actual perpetrator. 381 00:16:46,439 --> 00:16:48,339 You know, it's very important to get justice for jennifer. 382 00:16:48,408 --> 00:16:51,875 Not only jennifer, but her family. 383 00:16:51,877 --> 00:16:53,611 And we're gonna hold this person accountable, 384 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:55,980 Or we're damn sure gonna give it one hell of a try. 385 00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:07,525 - Siegler: Welcome back. - Kathryn pinneri: Thank you. 386 00:17:07,593 --> 00:17:08,893 Thank you, thank you. 387 00:17:08,961 --> 00:17:11,062 - You remember dr. Pinneri. - How you doing? 388 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,298 We're investigating whether jennifer servo was murdered 389 00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:16,700 By one of the two men in her life. 390 00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:20,304 Army ranger ralph sepulveda or tv weatherman brian travers. 391 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,105 Or if an unknown suspect 392 00:17:22,107 --> 00:17:24,842 Found his way into her apartment and attacked her. 393 00:17:24,910 --> 00:17:27,244 Dr. Kathy pinneri, our forensic pathologist, 394 00:17:27,313 --> 00:17:30,514 Is here to help us interpret the autopsy report 395 00:17:30,516 --> 00:17:32,282 And the crime scene evidence. 396 00:17:32,284 --> 00:17:34,452 There's a lot of things going on in this scene 397 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,286 That are very unusual. 398 00:17:36,288 --> 00:17:39,923 This is looking right in through the front door. 399 00:17:39,925 --> 00:17:43,627 The bed is in the living room, so that was a little odd. 400 00:17:43,696 --> 00:17:46,330 But you can see there's a big blood stain 401 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:48,666 Next to this sheet on the ground. 402 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:50,434 Jennifer's got head injuries. 403 00:17:50,503 --> 00:17:53,671 One is right here, and one is right here. 404 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:56,974 There's also an injury to the right side of the forehead. 405 00:17:57,042 --> 00:17:58,843 The skin is broken in the center, 406 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:02,112 So something hit hard enough to cause the skin to split open. 407 00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:05,249 The autopsy showed signs of manual strangulation, 408 00:18:05,317 --> 00:18:07,117 Meaning that a hand was used 409 00:18:07,187 --> 00:18:09,086 To compress the blood vessels enough 410 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,721 To cause death. 411 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:11,622 If you're gonna strangle me to death, 412 00:18:11,691 --> 00:18:13,057 How long does that take? 413 00:18:13,125 --> 00:18:14,725 There's still oxygen in your brain, 414 00:18:14,793 --> 00:18:17,395 But it can be a few seconds to a minute or two. 415 00:18:17,463 --> 00:18:19,196 Okay. 416 00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:21,365 Pinneri: This is the fingernail, completely broken off. 417 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,434 It's clear to me that she's conscious 418 00:18:23,502 --> 00:18:26,270 And fighting back at some point. 419 00:18:26,272 --> 00:18:29,507 So then there was mention of sexual assault. 420 00:18:29,575 --> 00:18:31,909 The injuries are described as contusions 421 00:18:31,977 --> 00:18:35,079 Of the labia and outer genitalia. 422 00:18:35,147 --> 00:18:36,847 The sexual assault kit, though, is negative. 423 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:39,149 There's no internal trauma at all. 424 00:18:39,219 --> 00:18:41,919 The guy downstairs, his apartment mirrors hers exactly. 425 00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:44,121 He says it sounds like somebody's in the kitchen, 426 00:18:44,189 --> 00:18:47,225 And then there's some running into the living room. 427 00:18:47,227 --> 00:18:49,693 And then he says it's a rhythmic pounding. 428 00:18:49,695 --> 00:18:53,564 He says it's like constant for a few minutes, 429 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,200 And he thinks somebody's having sex. 430 00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:57,701 But instead, I'm wondering 431 00:18:57,770 --> 00:19:00,237 If he's straddling her with his knee in the groin 432 00:19:00,306 --> 00:19:01,906 While he's choking her out. 433 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:05,476 I can't discount that. It could be, perhaps, 434 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:08,479 That this is some sort of injury through the clothes 435 00:19:08,548 --> 00:19:11,915 That would have impacted the outer genitalia 436 00:19:11,985 --> 00:19:13,884 But not penetrate. 437 00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:15,486 Do you have access to that apartment? 438 00:19:15,554 --> 00:19:17,020 - Mm-hmm. - Y'all wanna go 439 00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:19,222 To the apartment and talk through all this? 440 00:19:19,224 --> 00:19:20,758 Yeah, we can do that. 441 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:25,029 Siegler: I cannot imagine what jennifer went through 442 00:19:25,097 --> 00:19:28,165 Those last few minutes, beaten and strangled to death 443 00:19:28,234 --> 00:19:29,867 As she tried to fight off her attacker. 444 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:33,237 What more horrible way is there to die? 445 00:19:33,305 --> 00:19:36,641 Whether it was brian or ralph or an unknown attacker, 446 00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:39,042 We have a better appreciation now 447 00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:42,313 Of how this murder was a very close and intimate ordeal. 448 00:19:49,221 --> 00:19:51,022 Jennifer servo moved to abilene. 449 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,056 Her mom drove her down here, 450 00:19:53,058 --> 00:19:55,192 And they went looking for her a new place to live, 451 00:19:55,261 --> 00:19:56,660 And they found this apartment. 452 00:19:56,729 --> 00:19:59,063 So we're gonna go to that apartment complex 453 00:19:59,131 --> 00:20:01,065 To hopefully figure some of this stuff out. 454 00:20:01,133 --> 00:20:04,868 I'd really like to see the spatial relationship 455 00:20:04,937 --> 00:20:07,137 Between the bedroom that she was dragged in 456 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:10,073 And then the bathroom, because I imagine 457 00:20:10,075 --> 00:20:12,843 It's probably smaller than it looks. 458 00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:15,046 Until you get there, you don't know what you're looking for, 459 00:20:15,114 --> 00:20:16,581 So it's going to be interesting. 460 00:20:21,287 --> 00:20:22,720 Siegler: Where do you wanna start 461 00:20:22,788 --> 00:20:24,421 With the front of the story of the attack? 462 00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:25,889 So we know she receives a phone call, 463 00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:29,493 And that phone call ended around 1:39 a.M. 464 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:32,095 All is right in her world at 1:39 a.M., 465 00:20:32,097 --> 00:20:34,264 Because she says a normal goodbye, right? 466 00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:36,534 Yep. There's no forced entry. 467 00:20:36,602 --> 00:20:38,001 This deadbolt does not have a key. 468 00:20:38,071 --> 00:20:39,703 It has to be thrown. 469 00:20:39,705 --> 00:20:41,806 Being a female alone, she's likely to have locked 470 00:20:41,874 --> 00:20:44,408 All three locks on that front door, 471 00:20:44,476 --> 00:20:46,143 One of which was locked from the inside. 472 00:20:46,211 --> 00:20:48,045 So we know she would have to open 473 00:20:48,113 --> 00:20:50,047 The inside deadbolt to let that suspect in. 474 00:20:50,115 --> 00:20:52,916 So he gets in, even if she just opens it. 475 00:20:52,918 --> 00:20:54,418 "what do you want?" he forces his way in. 476 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,986 The witness who lived downstairs, 477 00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:57,855 Indicating around 2 a.M. 478 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:00,157 He hears what he thought is arguing. 479 00:21:00,226 --> 00:21:01,993 Potentially something happens here 480 00:21:02,061 --> 00:21:04,895 That leads to our incident here. 481 00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:06,664 So y'all think he hit her with something. 482 00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:08,065 He knocks her down. 483 00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:09,600 She's down, and then he does this. 484 00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:11,369 Could that be a punch? 485 00:21:11,371 --> 00:21:13,403 Maybe that's what knocked her down on the ground. 486 00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:17,775 And then he gets on top of her, lays his elbow into her throat 487 00:21:17,843 --> 00:21:19,910 And starts strangling her. 488 00:21:19,978 --> 00:21:22,079 Show us what you just said. Do it. 489 00:21:22,148 --> 00:21:25,582 We're arguing or whatever, and then I just punch her. 490 00:21:25,651 --> 00:21:29,019 She goes down to the ground, and then he's on top. 491 00:21:29,021 --> 00:21:31,388 Left arm right here. 492 00:21:31,457 --> 00:21:33,423 I mean, you can really put your body weight in. 493 00:21:33,493 --> 00:21:36,027 - Siegler: Yeah. Yeah. - And then he strikes her. 494 00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:37,795 Boom. 495 00:21:37,863 --> 00:21:39,697 Pinneri: And then the cast off would be consistent 496 00:21:39,765 --> 00:21:42,499 With the blood spatter that we see on the bed frame. 497 00:21:42,568 --> 00:21:45,869 And the injury to her genital area. 498 00:21:45,938 --> 00:21:48,739 Like, when I'm right here, she can't go anywhere. 499 00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:51,174 My knees got her locked in. She's not moving. 500 00:21:51,176 --> 00:21:54,011 Okay. And maybe even when you have 501 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:57,148 Your knee down there like that, could that be the rhythmic 502 00:21:57,216 --> 00:21:59,349 That her head's hitting the headboard, too? 503 00:21:59,419 --> 00:22:01,319 If it was on the bed, then that could. 504 00:22:01,387 --> 00:22:03,053 Siegler: Okay. 505 00:22:03,122 --> 00:22:05,989 So then she gets dragged to the tub. 506 00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:07,991 Okay. I don't wanna make you mess your clothes all up 507 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:09,193 And I don't care if mine get dirty. 508 00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:10,761 Okay, so I'm back down here. 509 00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:12,830 Cowan: Drag marks originate from here, 510 00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:15,032 Through this way here. 511 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,134 And then the blood trail stops here. 512 00:22:17,203 --> 00:22:21,071 And then if your idea is to go submerge her in a tub, 513 00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:22,840 Now you have to basically flip her around 514 00:22:22,908 --> 00:22:25,709 And you're dragging by the hands. Flip her over... 515 00:22:25,711 --> 00:22:27,210 Siegler: And she hits her head here. 516 00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:29,913 And then she just goes all the way down. 517 00:22:29,982 --> 00:22:33,550 Crime scene looks chaotic, like somebody's panicking. 518 00:22:33,619 --> 00:22:35,452 They're grabbing stuff from here and there 519 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:37,254 And trying to figure out what they're going to do. 520 00:22:37,322 --> 00:22:39,123 Obviously there's a lot of manipulation 521 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,925 Going on with this body. It suggests a lack of planning. 522 00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:44,694 Okay, so he takes her into the bathroom 523 00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:46,730 To put her in the tub, 'cause why? 524 00:22:46,798 --> 00:22:49,233 I don't know if it's just an extra layer of security 525 00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:51,602 Just to make sure she is deceased. 526 00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:53,704 Well, there's no reason to hang around this apartment 527 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:56,507 And run the risk of being caught any more than you want to. 528 00:22:56,575 --> 00:22:58,041 So the only reason you would take the time 529 00:22:58,043 --> 00:22:59,710 To move her and do all that 530 00:22:59,778 --> 00:23:02,145 Is to make sure any evidence that you left behind is gone. 531 00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:03,781 I guess the only reason I would argue that 532 00:23:03,849 --> 00:23:06,383 Is the fact that she's not completely put in the tub. 533 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:07,551 All the evidence is right here. 534 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:09,286 - Right. - Making sure 535 00:23:09,355 --> 00:23:12,522 That any of this evidence or this evidence 536 00:23:12,592 --> 00:23:15,025 Or kissing or whatever it could be is gone. 537 00:23:15,094 --> 00:23:17,828 What a violent, horrible crime. 538 00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:19,497 I don't know if the person who did this 539 00:23:19,499 --> 00:23:22,432 Came over here intending to hurt jennifer 540 00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:24,802 Or if this is an unplanned action 541 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:27,304 Of an obsessive, jilted lover. 542 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:29,506 It's time for us to start talking to witnesses 543 00:23:29,508 --> 00:23:31,175 To see what we can find out. 544 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,888 So, how did you meet jennifer? 545 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:46,790 We were in school together in missoula. 546 00:23:46,792 --> 00:23:49,193 She was one of my best friends in college. 547 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,961 She had her own apartment 548 00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:53,397 And just was very on her own two feet. 549 00:24:10,415 --> 00:24:12,716 In her 22 short years, 550 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:14,584 Jennifer servo collected 551 00:24:14,654 --> 00:24:17,822 A world of friends and co-workers that adored her. 552 00:24:36,808 --> 00:24:38,108 Yeah. 553 00:24:39,411 --> 00:24:42,512 It's never easy to ask friends to go over painful memories, 554 00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:44,848 But this case is not gonna get solved 555 00:24:44,917 --> 00:24:48,085 By dna or a brand-new witness, so we need their help. 556 00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:06,770 Montgomery: She tell you who she went 557 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,606 To get her cat food and whatnot with? 558 00:25:11,376 --> 00:25:12,510 What can you tell us about him? 559 00:25:20,886 --> 00:25:21,986 [man speaking] 560 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,458 [woman speaking] 561 00:26:02,494 --> 00:26:05,095 Siegler: While brian had a potential motive 562 00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:08,732 Because jennifer did call off their short little romance, 563 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,835 It feels like everybody in brian's world 564 00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:15,572 Did not think that he had it in him to kill jennifer. 565 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:17,374 [woman speaking] 566 00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,047 Spingola: You never met ralph? 567 00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:25,583 What'd you think of him? 568 00:26:38,663 --> 00:26:39,430 Okay. 569 00:27:26,145 --> 00:27:28,512 She really wanted to have this huge career path. 570 00:27:42,628 --> 00:27:44,094 Spingola: Did she ever tell you 571 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:45,329 That she found out that ralph had a child? 572 00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:18,128 This could be the biggest thing 573 00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:19,563 That we find out this whole week. 574 00:28:19,631 --> 00:28:21,532 Did you ever see any bruises on her at all 575 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,701 When she talked about sex with ralph? 576 00:28:29,908 --> 00:28:33,610 Jennifer told not one, but two of her best girlfriends 577 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,080 That he was into strangling her during sex, 578 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:40,317 Which she definitely never liked and did not want. 579 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:43,587 Since jennifer was strangled to death, I think that's huge. 580 00:28:43,655 --> 00:28:46,923 And when ralph is asked about rough sex back then, 581 00:28:46,992 --> 00:28:48,725 He completely denied it. 582 00:28:48,793 --> 00:28:50,761 He acted like somebody's saying that they're lying on him, 583 00:28:50,829 --> 00:28:52,463 And there's no way anybody would find 584 00:28:52,531 --> 00:28:55,265 These two girls as not credible. 585 00:28:57,602 --> 00:29:00,537 They're crushing it, and so are we. 586 00:29:00,606 --> 00:29:04,307 God's watching over you, jeff. You know that, right? 587 00:29:04,309 --> 00:29:05,809 Got my back. 588 00:29:05,877 --> 00:29:08,779 You're not gonna get better witnesses than these. 589 00:29:08,847 --> 00:29:11,815 These girls, college educated, they didn't get involved 590 00:29:11,883 --> 00:29:14,751 In anything high risk in their life then or since. 591 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:15,952 Oh, my god. 592 00:29:16,021 --> 00:29:18,021 I can't imagine how sweet, 593 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:21,291 Naive, young jennifer servo started to feel 594 00:29:21,293 --> 00:29:22,825 When it dawned on her 595 00:29:22,827 --> 00:29:26,663 That this fun fling with a bad boy, older guy 596 00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:29,366 Was turning into a situation out of her control. 597 00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:34,370 In her diary, jennifer describes how an obsessive ralph 598 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,774 Bullied his way into her brand-new life in texas 599 00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:43,012 And was taking advantage of her financially and emotionally. 600 00:29:43,082 --> 00:29:45,415 And when she finally worked up her courage 601 00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:48,385 To put her foot down and kick him out for good, 602 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,554 Could that have been enough for a man to snap? 603 00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:55,458 Could that car that jennifer and brian noticed was following them 604 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,028 Around that night been ralph, 605 00:29:58,096 --> 00:30:00,464 Jealous that she was out with another man? 606 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:09,839 Montgomery: Oh, this is her calling. 607 00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:11,809 - You ready? - Yeah. 608 00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:15,312 Hey, thanks for calling me back. 609 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:17,547 Siegler: In the days around jennifer's murder, 610 00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:20,717 Ralph wrote this long love letter to his ex-girlfriend 611 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,619 That he had left behind in montana, 612 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,955 Begging her to take him back. 613 00:30:25,023 --> 00:30:27,824 We wanna hear if he said anything to his ex 614 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:29,526 About jennifer's death. 615 00:30:29,594 --> 00:30:31,261 How long would you say y'all were together? 616 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:38,602 Siegler: Wow. 617 00:31:17,609 --> 00:31:18,809 Did you ever receive a letter from him 618 00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:23,580 Any time after all of this? Never? 619 00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:29,953 Hearing that ralph 620 00:31:29,955 --> 00:31:32,289 Never even contacted this ex-girlfriend 621 00:31:32,357 --> 00:31:35,124 After writing this letter, that's crazy. 622 00:31:35,126 --> 00:31:37,060 Montgomery: Well, I appreciate you calling me today. 623 00:31:37,062 --> 00:31:38,695 - Thanks. - Bye-bye. 624 00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:41,164 I don't think he ever meant to send her the letter. 625 00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:42,566 - No. - He just wants to act 626 00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:44,434 Like there is somebody else out there. 627 00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:47,103 Jennifer's not that big of a deal. He's not that invested. 628 00:31:47,172 --> 00:31:49,806 - He's got other plans. - Exactly. 629 00:31:49,875 --> 00:31:53,543 We're gonna have to ask him about that when we confront him. 630 00:31:53,612 --> 00:31:56,179 It's time we go talk to both of our suspects. 631 00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:07,156 You kind of got drafted to come and talk 632 00:32:07,158 --> 00:32:09,959 - With me and travers, eh? - I know. I'm the lucky guy. 633 00:32:09,961 --> 00:32:11,828 Spingola: For the past 21 years, there's been two main suspects 634 00:32:11,897 --> 00:32:13,764 In the death of jennifer servo, 635 00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:15,332 And we're gonna travel all over the country 636 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,334 To try to track them down and interview them. 637 00:32:17,402 --> 00:32:19,937 Detectives cowan and montgomery are flying to hawaii 638 00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:22,239 To interview ralph sepulveda at his home 639 00:32:22,307 --> 00:32:24,775 While abilene detective, roger romero, and myself 640 00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:28,178 Are traveling to iowa to interview brian travers. 641 00:32:29,014 --> 00:32:30,680 So far, we haven't been able to uncover 642 00:32:30,682 --> 00:32:33,050 Any physical evidence that links brian to this case, 643 00:32:33,052 --> 00:32:34,551 And he's always been cooperative. 644 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:35,985 Let's see if he adds anything 645 00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:37,320 That would either incriminate him 646 00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:39,122 Or clear him in this case once and for all. 647 00:32:45,564 --> 00:32:48,799 [line ringing] 648 00:32:51,836 --> 00:32:53,570 Automated voice: Please leave your message for... 649 00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:55,472 Man: Brian travers. 650 00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,674 Mr. Travers, this is detective romero 651 00:32:57,742 --> 00:32:59,109 With the abilene police department. 652 00:32:59,177 --> 00:33:00,977 If I can get you to give me a call back 653 00:33:01,045 --> 00:33:03,212 On this number, please, that'd be great. Thank you. 654 00:33:03,214 --> 00:33:07,216 Spingola: I don't know if he's working, you know. 655 00:33:07,218 --> 00:33:10,119 So far, we haven't had any luck trying to contact brian travers. 656 00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:12,489 We're gonna try to track down his business address 657 00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:13,824 And see if we can surprise him there. 658 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,961 He was in tennessee for a while. 659 00:33:18,029 --> 00:33:20,864 - [cell phone ringing] - hmm. 660 00:33:20,932 --> 00:33:22,499 Is that him there? 661 00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:24,768 Hmm. 662 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:29,373 Detective romero. 663 00:33:32,877 --> 00:33:34,511 Hey, mr. Travers. Appreciate you calling me back. 664 00:33:37,916 --> 00:33:39,549 Just to sit down and have a chat. 665 00:33:43,088 --> 00:33:45,856 I'd like to do it right now if you're available. 666 00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:52,829 Yeah. All right. Thank you, sir. 667 00:33:52,898 --> 00:33:54,564 All right, thank you. 668 00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:56,700 - He's gonna make us wait. - Yep. 669 00:33:59,237 --> 00:34:02,972 Detectives cowan and montgomery have a lot of good questions 670 00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:06,209 To confront our suspect, ralph sepulveda, with. 671 00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:09,379 We wanna know where was he on the night she was killed, 672 00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:10,981 Why he told detectives 673 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,816 That he and jennifer were not very serious 674 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:17,987 When so many friends say he was very obsessed with her, 675 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:21,958 Why he never contacted that ex-girlfriend from montana 676 00:34:22,027 --> 00:34:24,594 That he was supposedly gonna beg to take him back. 677 00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:27,864 And, most importantly, we wanna see what he says 678 00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:29,833 About choking jennifer during sex. 679 00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:33,904 - Hey, how's it going? - Hey, sir, how you doing? 680 00:34:33,972 --> 00:34:35,838 - I'm jeff cowan. - I'm ralph. 681 00:34:35,908 --> 00:34:37,741 - Hey, how you doing, sir? - Shawn montgomery. 682 00:34:37,809 --> 00:34:39,442 - How are you? - Good. 683 00:34:39,511 --> 00:34:42,679 Hey, so, I work cold cases here in abilene. 684 00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:44,180 - Okay. - And the case file, 685 00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:45,748 Your name's all in it, 686 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:47,250 And you know the case file I'm talking about. 687 00:34:47,318 --> 00:34:50,720 If you can give us insight, man, I'd be appreciative of it. 688 00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:53,523 You know, it's been so long. 689 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:55,625 I haven't talked to anybody in a long time. 690 00:34:55,627 --> 00:34:57,460 - Okay. - But, um, 691 00:34:57,528 --> 00:35:00,330 I really--there's nothing else I could add to that. 692 00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:01,965 - Okay. - Absolutely nothing. 693 00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:04,201 He was very matter of fact. 694 00:35:04,203 --> 00:35:07,136 He was very stoic. He was guarded. 695 00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:11,774 I spoke, you know, to the detectives there plenty. 696 00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:14,544 Gave 'em everything I had. 697 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:17,480 Gave 'em my side of the story, whatever. 698 00:35:17,549 --> 00:35:20,350 But, yeah, I have nothing else to add. Sorry. 699 00:35:20,418 --> 00:35:21,284 Okay. 700 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:25,188 I have no idea. 701 00:35:25,256 --> 00:35:28,391 He wouldn't divulge any new information to us. 702 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:29,960 He gave us nothing. 703 00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:35,866 Whatever I wrote back then, that's it. 704 00:35:35,934 --> 00:35:39,903 He strikes me as--like, he still doesn't give a ----. 705 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:42,271 Sorry you guys had to come all this way. 706 00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:45,642 Like, he never asked us how's the case coming, 707 00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:49,212 Are there any leads, who's your main suspect. 708 00:35:49,281 --> 00:35:52,682 I think because he knows that he is the main suspect. 709 00:35:52,751 --> 00:35:55,452 And if this was a person that he loved and cared for 710 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,788 The way he said he did 21 years ago, 711 00:35:58,857 --> 00:36:00,524 He sure has a funny way of showing it. 712 00:36:00,592 --> 00:36:02,159 Appreciate you, sir. 713 00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:11,301 Just like in the past, brian is willing to talk to us, 714 00:36:11,369 --> 00:36:12,903 But he wants his attorney present, 715 00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:15,005 And we're not gonna be able to record our conversation. 716 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:30,921 Take care. 717 00:36:34,459 --> 00:36:37,294 Brian's attorney advised him not to answer any questions 718 00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:38,961 And advised him to stay with the statement 719 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:41,197 He gave us 21 years ago. 720 00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:43,166 But he did answer a few questions. 721 00:36:43,234 --> 00:36:46,002 He cooperated as much as his attorney would allow him to. 722 00:36:46,071 --> 00:36:47,837 You go to your attorney and I tell you 723 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:49,572 The first question they ask is, "did you do this?" 724 00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:52,208 If he had any type of guilt, I think that attorney would say, 725 00:36:52,276 --> 00:36:54,243 "we're not answering," but he's letting him talk. 726 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:57,047 So that kind of tells me that he didn't do it. 727 00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:08,124 Morning. 728 00:37:08,193 --> 00:37:09,559 - Morning. - How y'all doing? 729 00:37:09,627 --> 00:37:11,061 - Good. - Wonderful. 730 00:37:11,129 --> 00:37:12,895 It's been a long, tough week, 731 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:15,231 And we have talked to so many of the most credible witnesses 732 00:37:15,299 --> 00:37:17,133 You could ever hope to find. 733 00:37:17,202 --> 00:37:19,269 And now we're gonna review everything we've learned 734 00:37:19,337 --> 00:37:20,637 About our suspects. 735 00:37:20,705 --> 00:37:23,239 Okay, let's do "unknown suspect." 736 00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:24,975 Jeff, what are you thinking about 737 00:37:25,043 --> 00:37:27,744 There's an unknown random person that strangled her 738 00:37:27,746 --> 00:37:29,346 And killed her and put her in the bathtub? 739 00:37:29,414 --> 00:37:31,114 I don't think so. 740 00:37:31,182 --> 00:37:32,649 The original officers noted 741 00:37:32,717 --> 00:37:35,818 That there was no signs of forced entry. 742 00:37:35,887 --> 00:37:38,255 I would think you'd hear screaming. 743 00:37:38,323 --> 00:37:39,922 And we know there was conversation 744 00:37:39,924 --> 00:37:41,824 From our downstairs neighbor. It was arguing, 745 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:44,661 And it lasted sound like for a decent amount of time. 746 00:37:44,729 --> 00:37:46,896 I think there'd be a different screams, 747 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,398 And the police would have been called. 748 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,001 So everybody good with taking unknown suspect off? 749 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:53,536 Yes. 750 00:37:56,408 --> 00:37:59,209 Okay, so we got brian travers up here. 751 00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:01,378 He knows that when you google his name, 752 00:38:01,446 --> 00:38:03,612 He comes up as a suspect for jennifer servo, 753 00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:05,615 And he's been living with that his whole life. 754 00:38:05,683 --> 00:38:07,317 He gets thrown into this 755 00:38:07,385 --> 00:38:09,251 Because, a, he's the last person that's seen her. 756 00:38:09,253 --> 00:38:11,888 The relationship is on the downslide. 757 00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:15,324 He is a very meek, dependent personality. 758 00:38:15,326 --> 00:38:16,793 He's a little bit awkward socially. 759 00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:25,335 The other thing, he's got no record. 760 00:38:25,403 --> 00:38:27,904 I just do not see this guy seriously. 761 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,371 He's calling the police department, 762 00:38:29,373 --> 00:38:31,540 He's telling what he knows, 763 00:38:31,542 --> 00:38:34,444 And he's still trying to help solve jennifer servo's case. 764 00:38:34,512 --> 00:38:36,846 Brian travers has cooperated 765 00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:39,482 With the police department since day one 766 00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:42,752 Even against the advice of his own lawyers. 767 00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:44,854 He's given his dna. 768 00:38:44,923 --> 00:38:48,157 He flew up to montana to her funeral 769 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,660 And grieved there with her family and friends 770 00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:54,331 And has continued to email jennifer's mom about the case. 771 00:38:54,399 --> 00:38:57,066 So many of his friends and co-workers 772 00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:58,701 Have vouched for his character. 773 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:01,137 The only thing brian travers did wrong 774 00:39:01,205 --> 00:39:04,574 Was fall way too hard for jennifer years ago, 775 00:39:04,642 --> 00:39:07,209 And he's been paying for that ever since. 776 00:39:07,279 --> 00:39:09,012 I think he needs to be cleared off the board. 777 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,847 - Clear him. - Without a doubt. 778 00:39:10,915 --> 00:39:12,982 Siegler: It feels kind of good to finally let him know 779 00:39:13,051 --> 00:39:15,818 Once and for all he's cleared in all this. 780 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:20,423 Okay, so we got ralph sepulveda left up here standing. 781 00:39:20,491 --> 00:39:23,359 Jennifer made it very clear that "my career comes first." 782 00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:25,628 Jennifer told him, "I don't want you to come to texas. 783 00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:28,230 I need to focus on my career." and he didn't listen to her. 784 00:39:28,232 --> 00:39:30,266 He did the exact opposite and followed her. 785 00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:32,469 Like, once he went there and followed her, 786 00:39:32,471 --> 00:39:34,371 And this wasn't really what she wanted. 787 00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:36,039 She didn't really know how to get out of it. 788 00:39:36,107 --> 00:39:37,640 He doesn't have a job, 789 00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:39,475 And he's living with her and mooching off of her, 790 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,243 And he doesn't leave until she forces him out. 791 00:39:41,313 --> 00:39:44,280 He says he moved out August the 2nd. 792 00:39:44,348 --> 00:39:46,582 That's six whole weeks of sitting in his apartment 793 00:39:46,651 --> 00:39:48,318 With no furniture. 794 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:49,586 So, what do you think's happening 795 00:39:49,654 --> 00:39:53,355 Inside the brain of this 35-year-old army ranger 796 00:39:53,357 --> 00:39:56,426 When he realizes "this isn't quite working out how I like"? 797 00:39:56,494 --> 00:39:57,927 He doesn't go back home. 798 00:39:57,996 --> 00:39:59,796 He's still trying to talk her into it. 799 00:39:59,864 --> 00:40:02,431 And he may have even seen her with travers earlier that day, 800 00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:04,534 Which didn't really help his frame of mind, too. 801 00:40:04,602 --> 00:40:05,902 He doesn't want her with anybody else. 802 00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:08,238 Yep. This is an obsession. 803 00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:10,372 This isn't just love. This is an obsession. 804 00:40:10,442 --> 00:40:13,375 And jennifer finds out he's got a kid and he was engaged. 805 00:40:13,377 --> 00:40:15,745 Spingola: This whole relationship is based on a lie. 806 00:40:15,813 --> 00:40:19,649 The fact that she's deceased less than 10 days, 807 00:40:19,717 --> 00:40:21,217 He packs up and leaves. 808 00:40:21,286 --> 00:40:23,219 Siegler: He joined the real army again. 809 00:40:23,287 --> 00:40:24,921 Montgomery: Never went to the funeral. 810 00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:28,124 Didn't contact family or friends of jennifer. 811 00:40:28,192 --> 00:40:29,759 It's like he just disappeared. 812 00:40:29,827 --> 00:40:31,994 Thank god y'all found that apology letter. 813 00:40:31,996 --> 00:40:34,497 'cause that thing was beautiful. And he says in his letter 814 00:40:34,565 --> 00:40:36,633 He's going back to the girl he was engaged to. 815 00:40:41,506 --> 00:40:43,506 Jennifer apparently was very open and honest 816 00:40:43,574 --> 00:40:45,475 With her girlfriends about their relationship. 817 00:40:51,983 --> 00:40:54,951 Strangling, to me, is huge. 818 00:40:55,019 --> 00:40:59,189 He didn't just like rough sex. He liked strangling during sex. 819 00:40:59,257 --> 00:41:02,292 Before she ends up dead, strangled to death. 820 00:41:05,096 --> 00:41:07,329 What are you hoping happens today 821 00:41:07,331 --> 00:41:08,664 When you meet with your prosecutors? 822 00:41:08,733 --> 00:41:11,167 I think, based on what we have, 823 00:41:11,235 --> 00:41:13,502 All roads lead back to ralph. 824 00:41:13,572 --> 00:41:15,305 Siegler: Detectives cowan and montgomery 825 00:41:15,373 --> 00:41:17,974 Are gonna present their case to their prosecutor, 826 00:41:18,042 --> 00:41:21,010 Seeking charges for the murder of jennifer servo 827 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:22,278 Against ralph sepulveda. 828 00:41:34,892 --> 00:41:36,692 Can you imagine how they slept last night, 829 00:41:36,761 --> 00:41:38,694 Waiting to hear what you gotta tell 'em? 830 00:41:38,763 --> 00:41:40,430 I bet they didn't sleep at all. 831 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,033 - Good morning, ladies. - Good morning. 832 00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:45,368 - Y'all doing okay today? - Yes. 833 00:41:47,038 --> 00:41:48,905 - Hello. - Hi. 834 00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:51,107 - How was the flight? - It was good. 835 00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:54,744 So, it has been a, uh-- 836 00:41:54,812 --> 00:41:56,512 A very lengthy process. 837 00:41:56,581 --> 00:41:58,714 - Very daunting. - Mm-hmm. 838 00:41:58,783 --> 00:42:01,850 But exhilarating at the same time on our end. 839 00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,120 - Uh-huh. - Shawn and I went to hawaii 840 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:05,754 And spoke with ralph. 841 00:42:05,824 --> 00:42:08,658 - And he would talk to you? - For a brief moment. 842 00:42:08,726 --> 00:42:12,394 But we weren't anticipating anything other than that. 843 00:42:12,464 --> 00:42:14,163 - Yeah. - We had a meeting 844 00:42:14,165 --> 00:42:16,465 With our da's office, ran the case down to them, 845 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:19,335 And they're looking at taking this case. 846 00:42:19,403 --> 00:42:21,437 - Ah. - Whether it be seeking charges 847 00:42:21,506 --> 00:42:24,040 Or go to grand jury on ralph sepulveda. 848 00:42:25,476 --> 00:42:26,976 Yay. 849 00:42:27,045 --> 00:42:28,845 We've got a few things to kind of clean up. 850 00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:31,147 I don't know when that'll all occur, 851 00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:34,284 But we'll be in contact for sure. 852 00:42:34,352 --> 00:42:39,922 I finally feel we're gonna have some justice for jen. 853 00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:41,991 It won't bring her back. 854 00:42:41,993 --> 00:42:45,328 But everything they've been through, 855 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,764 Doing the investigations, I appreciate all of it. 856 00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:51,867 The police department feels like family. 857 00:42:51,869 --> 00:42:53,870 I'm sorry for all y'all had to go through. 858 00:42:53,938 --> 00:42:55,671 Y'all been so patient for 21 years. 859 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,674 This is what I was hoping for. 860 00:42:58,743 --> 00:43:02,578 Christa: We're just so thankful to all of the investigators. 861 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,780 It means a lot that people didn't give up 862 00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:09,151 And they--they didn't stop trying, ever. 863 00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:11,787 - We're all here for you, okay? - We know you are. 864 00:43:11,856 --> 00:43:13,923 - Thank you so much. - Give me a hug. 865 00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:18,995 Siegler: Jennifer servo 866 00:43:19,063 --> 00:43:22,732 Was a very special 22-year-old young lady 867 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,967 Taken from this world way too soon. 868 00:43:24,969 --> 00:43:29,238 And her mom and sister have been waiting all these years 869 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,807 For something to be done about that. 870 00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:32,975 And our hope is that now 871 00:43:33,044 --> 00:43:36,312 They can finally get the justice that they deserve. 872 00:43:38,416 --> 00:43:40,416 ♪ cast myself ♪ 873 00:43:40,485 --> 00:43:45,388 ♪ as ghosts in the rain ♪