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♪ have you ever been ♪
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♪ at the wrong place ♪
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♪ at the wrong time? ♪
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- Kelly siegler: Welcome home.
- Well, it's nice to be back.
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Did you ever work anything in
beaumont when you were with hpd?
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Beaumont's a spot
for a dumpy ground
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And another missing woman case.
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It's so rural.
You're so close to the gulf.
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If you're gonna get rid
of a body,
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This is the right area to do it.
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This is swampy as hell,
right on the way to louisiana.
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I've asked abbey to join me
in my home state of texas
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Because he's familiar
with the area
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And he knows
how to build a murder case
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When you don't have a body.
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That's exactly
the kind of expertise
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That we need
to investigate a case
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That I've been interested in
since I first heard about it
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Back when I worked
at the da's office.
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This is the 1999 disappearance
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Of young single mom
kimberly langwell.
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Kimberly langwell
was 34 years old.
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She lived here in beaumont,
had a good job,
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Had a good group of friends.
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It felt
like she was just starting
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To get her life together again
as a single mom.
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Kim was really pretty
with a magnetic personality.
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She raised her 15-year-old
daughter tiffani on her own.
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And after recently
ending a relationship,
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She had a new boyfriend,
and she was excited
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About the next chapter
of her life.
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Abbondandolo:
It's a horrible story,
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What the family went through.
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Kimberly's daughter
was supposed to go out
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To dinner with her
on the evening she went missing,
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And I can't imagine the fear
that she went through
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When she couldn't get in touch
with her mom.
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She paged her 911
and didn't get a response,
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And she knew
something's gotta be wrong.
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Yeah.
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Abbondandolo: On July 9, 1999,
kim had made plans
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To meet her boyfriend
and daughter after work,
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But she never showed.
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Later that night,
her car was located
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In a drugstore parking lot.
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But kim hasn't been seen
or heard from since.
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The problem
with a missing-person case,
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Especially for the investigator
who believes it's a murder,
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Is your main piece of evidence
is missing--the body.
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The body is going to tell you
what happened.
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And you're always hoping
that where the body gets dumped
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Can be your biggest clue, too,
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To help you figure out
who did it.
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I know what it's like to go
through that missing-person case
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When you know it's not
a missing-person case.
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It's a murder where
the body just hadn't been found.
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I've got a lot of those
that haunt me still.
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I was raised by a single mom,
too, just like tiffani was.
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And that bond when your mother
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Is your whole world to you
growing up,
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Losing that
at such a young age,
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That's got to be
really devastating.
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After 24 years, it's time
that we finally bring tiffani
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The answers to what happened
to her mom.
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- Hello, hello, guys.
- Good morning.
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- Good morning, guys.
- Hey, heather. This is abbey.
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- Hi. I'm abbey.
- Heather wilson.
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Nice to meet you, heather.
Nice to meet you.
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Jesus tamayo.
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- Hey, jesus.
- Mitch sligar.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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I remember in '99
when it happened,
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'cause we were working
in houston then,
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As the years went on,
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I remember seeing
how y'all kept it up there
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With their picture in the paper
and all that kind of stuff.
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So I was aware of the case.
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This is one of our
oldest missing persons,
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And it comes up every few years.
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The family's
never gotten closure,
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So we're very thankful
you're here to help.
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In 1999, I was a patrolman,
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And I remember hearing
about the case
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Because everybody was concerned
about kimberly langwell.
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This case has been on my mind
for quite some time,
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And it is very important
to give the family
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Some answers
and ultimately justice.
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So, what do we know
about kimberly?
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Did she grow up
here in beaumont?
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Wilson: Yeah, she had lived here
most of her adult life.
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She had a good job
at the chemical plant.
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She was a single mom and living
with her daughter at the time.
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Her daughter's name is tiffani.
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And she had just gotten out
of a long-term relationship
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And was getting back
into the dating scene
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And getting back on her feet.
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I never thought about it
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Until I started working
all these cases
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How being pretty
is a risk factor, right?
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She was very beautiful.
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So on Friday, July 9, 1999,
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Kimberly had went
to work that day.
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Gets off at 5:00 p.M.
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She had dinner arrangements
at 6:30 p.M.
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With her daughter and a new guy
that kim was seeing.
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His name was ken weatherford.
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She makes a phone call
to her daughter about 5:15.
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She tells tiffani
that she's gonna make
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A stop on her way home
to her ex-boyfriend's house.
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His name is terry rose.
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He was remodeling his home
at the time,
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So she was gonna
stop by and help him.
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They were gonna hang
some boards on the wall.
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He said that she didn't
stay very long,
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Maybe 15 or 20 minutes
at the most.
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However,
she never made it home at 6:30,
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And she actually
never made it home at all.
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And when do tiffani
and new boyfriend get alarmed?
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When she was about an hour late.
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They had been trying
her cell phone at this time.
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So about 11 p.M.,
ken leaves the house,
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And he's started
circling around,
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Just, like, local bars
and shopping area,
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Looking for kim or her vehicle.
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So sure enough,
he actually finds her vehicle
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In front
of an eckerd's parking lot.
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He said it stood out 'cause it
was pretty much the only car
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In that area of the parking lot.
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So he checked the vehicle.
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She wasn't in it.
He's thinking clearly
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She made other plans.
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About 8 a.M.--
This is now on July 10--
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He makes his way back
to the parking lot,
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Thinking her car
should be gone by now.
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She's gone home.
The car is still there.
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At that point, it was kind of
like something's not right here.
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So they started
to call the police
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And report her missing.
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Abbondandolo: When police
searched kim's car,
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Her purse and car keys were
missing, though no one believes
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She would have just run off
and left her daughter.
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We can't rule out
the possibility
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That kim stopped at
the drugstore on her way home
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And was abducted
by an unknown suspect.
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But the investigation always
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Centered around
the known suspects in her world.
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Her boyfriend ken displayed no
red flags, and he was cleared.
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But police were still interested
in two other suspects.
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Okay, y'all wanna start
with terry rose?
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Yes.
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Terry knew kimberly because--
what was their relationship?
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Wilson: They were exes
back in 1999.
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Terry owned a wrecker yard.
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- And he's a tow truck driver.
- Right.
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His tow company is no longer
operational, though, so...
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How long have
they been broken up?
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About six months. Apparently,
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Terry had an affair
with one of kim's friends,
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Which prompted the breakup.
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Siegler: How do we wanna
describe their relationship?
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He was infatuated with her,
according to everybody.
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He was obsessed.
He was possessive.
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Wilson: They did verbally
argue a lot.
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Terry later admitted
to physical abuse.
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What's the most
he physically abused her?
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I think he said a slap.
He slapped her in the face.
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I think there's a significance
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That the phone
that's found in the car
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Is her cell phone
that he pays for.
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Wilson: That he pays for.
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Abbondandolo: Despite
their tumultuous relationship
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And breakup,
terry was still trying
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To keep kim in his life,
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Routinely giving her money
for bills and expenses,
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Including giving her $500
for her trip to mexico
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Shortly before she disappeared.
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So he clearly wasn't over her.
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Okay, so now let's put
frank mccormick up on the board.
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What's his relationship
with kimberly?
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He worked with kim.
He was one of her supervisors
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And admittedly had
a crush on her.
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Frank was married at the time.
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He had what
I would even consider
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Like an obsessive crush on her.
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He would actually
write her love letters
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And exchange them
with her at work.
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She hung on
to all these letters.
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She kind of had this weird vibe
about it and thought,
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"if I ever get fired one day,
I wanna hang on to these.
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And so she was
actually secretly giving
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These love letters
to her best friend at the time
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Who hung onto 'em
for all these years.
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And there's a lot of 'em,
and they're pretty creepy.
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Siegler: When y'all did
go talk to him back then,
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Remind me of how he acted.
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I know in his statement,
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He just admitted,
"I have a crush on kim."
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- She's very attractive."
- I think it was minimized.
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I think it was
a little downplayed.
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Always downplayed.
"we're friends."
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He stands to lose a lot
at work and at home.
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His reputation.
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Siegler: Frank might have been
downplaying his feelings
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For kim back then,
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But these letters
sure seem to say otherwise.
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Is it possible that frank might
have followed kim that night
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And then intercepted her
after she left terry's house?
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We need to figure out
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How dangerous
frank's obsession really was.
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Have y'all ever met tiffani
before today?
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She's a very pleasant lady.
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You can tell
that she misses her mom dearly.
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Me and tiffani
are about the same age,
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And so I just can't imagine
my mom leaving for work one day
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And just
never coming back, you know?
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I know that just
altered her world.
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Siegler:
Who raised her after that?
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Wilson: Her aunt susan,
who's kim's sister.
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I've met with the family
personally, and I love them.
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They're just such good people.
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- Hello.
- Hey, how are you?
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- Good. How are you doing?
- Good. Thank you.
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Hi.
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- I'm tiffani.
- Nice to meet you, tiffani.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, detective tamayo.
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And you see them
and you see kimberly.
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I mean, her daughter and
her sister look just like her,
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And it really puts things
into reality.
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And it's just unfair.
It's unfair to tiffani.
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And we just want justice
for the family.
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Well, I guess we can
just kind of start with--
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If you wanna just
kind of describe
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And tell me about your mom.
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I'm an only child.
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My mom raised me
pretty much by herself.
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She had a lot of friends
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And, you know,
she was very fun and fun loving.
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- What was she like growing up?
- A little monster.
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- [laughter]
- no, she was a cute kid.
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She was my tagalong.
She was a good sister.
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She was a young mother.
Mom had me when she was 18.
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Whenever I was real young,
she was working, you know,
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A daytime job, a nighttime job,
and then a weekend job
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Just to make sure
that we made it.
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So she was very strong
in that way.
246
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She was my world and I was hers.
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The first few years
were absolutely the hardest.
248
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You know, those are the years
249
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That you're going
through high school,
250
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Your first dances, driving,
and proms and trips.
251
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And she wasn't there.
252
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And that hurts
to love somebody so much
253
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And her not being here anymore.
254
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So going to the day of,
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You had spoke to her
at about 5:13 p.M.
256
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She was letting me know that we
were going to dinner with ken.
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She let me know that she was
going to stop by terry's house
258
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On the way home.
I remember her saying
259
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That she needed
to help him with something.
260
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So, how often did
your mom go around terry?
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I don't know how often, because
honestly, she wouldn't tell me
262
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All the time 'cause she didn't
want to hear it from me.
263
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- You would have told her...
- I didn't want him around.
264
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I had a huge problem with
terry, and she knew that.
265
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He would be forceful with her
266
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To let her know
that he could be in control.
267
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So I was uncomfortable with him.
268
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I would say maybe
three weeks, maybe after,
269
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I went by terry's house
and he said,
270
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"how do you think I felt when
I found out that I gave her $500
271
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And she went
with another man to mexico?"
272
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Who did terry think
your mom went on the trip with?
273
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Women from work going.
274
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But definitely not
like a couple's trip?
275
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No. No, not at all.
276
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Siegler: It seems
like kim told terry
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That she was gonna go to mexico
with some girlfriends,
278
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But it was
with her new boyfriend,
279
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Not with a bunch
of girlfriends.
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And terry gave her some money
for that trip.
281
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So he's not very happy
282
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When he finds out
about kim going on that trip.
283
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- Thank you so much.
- It was very nice to meet you.
284
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One of the questions
that we have
285
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Is whether or not terry
knew all this
286
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The day that kim
last stopped by his house.
287
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If we could get
the answer to that,
288
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That would go a long way
in determining if terry played
289
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Any part in what happened to kim
when she disappeared that day.
290
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Everybody seems to have
good things to say about ken,
291
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So I'm excited to meet him,
292
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And hopefully he can have
some good insight as well.
293
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Abbondandolo: At the time
294
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Of kimberly langwell's
disappearance back in 1999,
295
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Her boss, frank mccormick,
296
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And her ex-boyfriend,
terry rose,
297
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Were both romantically
interested in her.
298
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- Are you ken weatherford?
- I'm ken.
299
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Abbondandolo: She also had
a new relationship
300
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With ken weatherford
that was getting serious
301
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To the point that they took
a trip to mexico together.
302
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We wanna see if ken
knows anything else
303
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About the other man
in kim's life at that time.
304
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We worked together.
She was up front in the offices.
305
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I worked in maintenance
down in the field.
306
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Wilson: So how long
were y'all dating
307
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Up until the time
that she disappeared?
308
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I would say three months
of dating.
309
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We took a trip
to cancun together.
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As a matter of fact,
we just got back from cancun
311
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When all this happened.
312
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She wore a t-shirt with "cancun"
on it and all that for Friday.
313
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She was something else.
314
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Can you take us back
to July 9th of '99?
315
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So when I got there,
she never showed.
316
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Tiffani was there.
So it was just tiffani and I.
317
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And then getting
a little worried.
318
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We started calling around.
Really wasn't unlike her
319
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To at least check in
with tiffani.
320
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When I got home at night,
I sat out on the porch here.
321
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Just worried sick.
And so with me running around
322
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Or going by places,
323
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I saw her car
in that shopping center.
324
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Abbondandolo: And what did
you think at that point?
325
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I was worried.
326
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The reason being,
it was somebody that she'd
327
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Been involved with
that always worried me.
328
00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:32,443
- Yeah.
- And so...
329
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- Was that...
- Yeah.
330
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- Terry?
- Terry.
331
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I did not know
that she was going
332
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By his place that afternoon.
333
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I found that out later.
334
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Abbondandolo: What did she
tell you directly about him?
335
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That he was a--
336
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- A jealous type person.
- Okay.
337
00:13:48,395 --> 00:13:50,094
She didn't wanna be
around him anymore.
338
00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:52,496
- She had told me that.
- Did you find out later
339
00:13:52,498 --> 00:13:54,832
If she was dating
anyone else romantically?
340
00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,068
No.
341
00:13:57,136 --> 00:14:00,271
I know that her boss,
frank mccormick, he liked her,
342
00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:01,739
You know, but he was married.
343
00:14:01,807 --> 00:14:03,607
Wilson: What do
you remember about frank?
344
00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:05,677
- He didn't like me seeing her.
- Probably not. Yeah.
345
00:14:05,745 --> 00:14:08,479
Yeah. And I come out
of her house one night,
346
00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:11,983
And he was actually on
the street, parked over there.
347
00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:14,218
- Yeah.
- 'cause he saw my truck there.
348
00:14:14,286 --> 00:14:15,553
Abbondandolo: Well, thanks
for your time, sir.
349
00:14:15,621 --> 00:14:17,221
- You bet.
- Have a good rest of your day.
350
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Y'all take care.
351
00:14:18,958 --> 00:14:20,958
Abbondandolo: Ken had
some concerns about terry
352
00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,760
And the stalker-like behavior
for frank.
353
00:14:22,829 --> 00:14:25,529
I really felt for ken.
He was a believable guy.
354
00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:27,498
He really cared
a great deal about kim.
355
00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:29,267
In fact, he remembers
356
00:14:29,335 --> 00:14:31,335
That she was wearing
a shirt from mexico
357
00:14:31,404 --> 00:14:33,337
On the day that she disappeared.
358
00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:34,739
It was clear to me
that ken wanted
359
00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:37,208
To develop a life with kim,
and unfortunately,
360
00:14:37,277 --> 00:14:39,377
It was abruptly
and sadly taken away from him.
361
00:14:39,445 --> 00:14:40,879
[line ringing]
362
00:14:42,348 --> 00:14:43,748
Woman: Hello.
363
00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:46,150
I'm one of the detectives
investigating
364
00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:49,020
The kimberly langwell's
disappearance back in 1999.
365
00:14:49,088 --> 00:14:50,922
Do you remember that?
366
00:14:54,126 --> 00:14:56,560
If we're gonna figure out
what happened to kim,
367
00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:59,363
We need to learn everything
we can about the intimate
368
00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:02,466
Details of her relationships
with all the men in her life.
369
00:15:02,468 --> 00:15:04,368
And who better is there
to talk to about that
370
00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:06,270
Than kim's closest girlfriends?
371
00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,740
And tell me about
what she confided in you
372
00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:11,342
About the people
that she went out with.
373
00:15:18,385 --> 00:15:19,183
Siegler: Okay.
374
00:15:28,828 --> 00:15:29,694
Tamayo: Right.
375
00:15:35,735 --> 00:15:37,402
Siegler: That's good.
376
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:46,610
Her office was right
across the hall with mine,
377
00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:49,180
And we go out sometimes,
go out for lunch.
378
00:15:49,248 --> 00:15:50,448
Did she have
a lot of boyfriends?
379
00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:51,815
Were people coming
in and out of her--
380
00:15:51,817 --> 00:15:53,451
- No.
- No.
381
00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:55,085
Men liked her.
You've seen her pictures.
382
00:15:55,155 --> 00:15:56,620
- I have, yes.
- Okay.
383
00:15:56,622 --> 00:15:59,357
She's very friendly.
She was fun to be around.
384
00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:01,625
At the time, she was dating
ken weatherford.
385
00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:03,895
There was even
something going around
386
00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,763
That she was engaged to ken.
387
00:16:05,831 --> 00:16:07,264
She wore some kind of ring.
388
00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:08,699
Wilson: Did she wear it
on her left hand?
389
00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:10,101
- Yeah.
- Okay.
390
00:16:10,169 --> 00:16:11,435
Okay. You remember
if she was wearing it
391
00:16:11,504 --> 00:16:12,670
On July 9th, by any chance?
392
00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:14,372
- No, I don't remember that.
- Okay.
393
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,307
Abbondandolo: We heard that kim
was wearing her mexico shirt
394
00:16:16,376 --> 00:16:17,709
On the day she went missing,
395
00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:19,577
And now we're thinking
she may have been wearing
396
00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:21,745
A faux engagement ring.
397
00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:24,181
Is it possible
she went to terry's
398
00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:26,818
And inadvertently flaunted
her new relationship?
399
00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:28,486
My only other concern
400
00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,122
That we did have an engineer
that she worked for.
401
00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:33,791
Kind of on the strange side.
402
00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:36,227
Frank mccormick?
403
00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:39,663
What was strange about him?
What do you remember about him?
404
00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:41,065
He was kind
of obsessed with her.
405
00:16:41,134 --> 00:16:42,800
Mm-hmm.
406
00:16:42,868 --> 00:16:44,635
But he was supposed to be
a happily married man.
407
00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:46,437
Abbondandolo: Did frank ever
write her letters or send
408
00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:48,472
Her letters
or anything like that?
409
00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:50,408
You ever seen any of them,
or how did you know about 'em?
410
00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:52,643
Mm-hmm. He showed me.
411
00:16:52,645 --> 00:16:55,346
As far as I was concerned,
it was creepy.
412
00:16:55,414 --> 00:16:57,348
Was this after she disappeared
or before?
413
00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:59,049
- Yes.
- Everything was after?
414
00:16:59,119 --> 00:17:01,319
No. I didn't know any of this
before it happened
415
00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:03,020
Until he pulled me in the office
416
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,956
And wanted to talk to me
about this
417
00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:07,892
Because he felt like he was
protecting his back, I guess.
418
00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:11,729
I don't know. You know?
"come on, you're my boss.
419
00:17:11,797 --> 00:17:13,998
Do you really wanna talk
to me about this?"
420
00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:15,366
Abbondandolo: It's odd
421
00:17:15,434 --> 00:17:17,335
That frank
would show off these letters.
422
00:17:17,403 --> 00:17:18,702
Maybe it was
that he was trying
423
00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:20,705
To get ahead
of this investigation,
424
00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:22,874
Or maybe he simply felt bad
about his crush.
425
00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:25,509
Whatever the reason, we're
gonna need to analyze them.
426
00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:27,645
Women that have gotten
that personality
427
00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,713
And just that way about them
428
00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:33,584
That attract a lot of attention,
it does make it tougher,
429
00:17:33,652 --> 00:17:35,319
Because then you have
all these complications.
430
00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:36,187
Wilson: Yeah.
431
00:17:49,902 --> 00:17:52,470
In anticipation
of y'all's interview
432
00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:55,339
With frank mccormick,
let's talk about his letters,
433
00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:56,507
Because we haven't
done that yet.
434
00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,477
Kimberly langwell
disappeared in 1999.
435
00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:02,113
But before that happened,
she gave a stack of love letters
436
00:18:02,181 --> 00:18:04,715
That she had received
from our suspect,
437
00:18:04,717 --> 00:18:07,785
Frank mccormick, to one of
her girlfriends for safekeeping.
438
00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:10,220
These are the letters
from the stalker.
439
00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:12,590
It's time that we hear
about frank's obsession
440
00:18:12,658 --> 00:18:15,059
With kim in his own words.
441
00:18:15,128 --> 00:18:16,427
What's your favorite part?
442
00:18:16,495 --> 00:18:18,429
The european vacation bribe,
443
00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:21,231
Where he said,
"I can set aside $3,500
444
00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:23,835
For you and tiffani to take
a trip to europe this summer."
445
00:18:23,903 --> 00:18:25,869
He says there's "no
requirements to see me.
446
00:18:25,939 --> 00:18:29,340
No hugs, no kisses.
I just want to see your smile."
447
00:18:29,408 --> 00:18:32,510
"I have a file on my desk
that must have over 100 pages
448
00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:35,379
I've written
to you about how I feel."
449
00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,648
"I made the mistake of
telling you that I loved you.
450
00:18:37,717 --> 00:18:40,685
Your response will be
forever burned into my brain.
451
00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:43,387
You don't love me.
You don't want to love me."
452
00:18:43,389 --> 00:18:45,656
"when I said I loved you,
I was sincere.
453
00:18:45,725 --> 00:18:47,591
You stirred some feelings
inside me
454
00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:50,461
That I have never felt
with such power before.
455
00:18:50,529 --> 00:18:53,364
I need you to save me
from the state I am in.
456
00:18:53,432 --> 00:18:55,799
Allow me to regain
my sanity in my life.
457
00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:57,768
I would quit driving
by your house
458
00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:59,103
20 to 30 times a week."
459
00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:00,938
That's a hardcore stalker.
460
00:19:01,007 --> 00:19:03,007
Does he know
you have these letters?
461
00:19:03,075 --> 00:19:04,809
- I don't--I don't know.
- I think if he did,
462
00:19:04,877 --> 00:19:06,343
He wouldn't be showing up today.
463
00:19:06,412 --> 00:19:08,446
Abbondandolo:
I'm very interested in seeing
464
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:11,782
What kim's boss, frank,
has to say about these letters.
465
00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:13,717
Frank had somewhat
of an alibi that night.
466
00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:15,219
He gave the police a receipt
467
00:19:15,288 --> 00:19:18,221
That showed him
at a grocery store at 6:56 p.M.
468
00:19:18,223 --> 00:19:20,491
And then later,
he hosted a poker game.
469
00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:22,159
But he was
clearly obsessed with kim.
470
00:19:22,228 --> 00:19:24,027
Based on my experience,
471
00:19:24,029 --> 00:19:25,796
Feelings like that
can often lead to violence.
472
00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:31,235
- Frank?
- Yes, I'm frank.
473
00:19:31,237 --> 00:19:33,470
- Detective wilson.
- How do you do?
474
00:19:33,539 --> 00:19:34,438
Nice to meet you. I appreciate
you coming in today.
475
00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:35,940
- You just got off work?
- Yeah.
476
00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:38,442
You can just kind of go
into how you knew kimberly,
477
00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:40,344
Kind of y'all's relationship
and stuff like that.
478
00:19:40,412 --> 00:19:43,247
She was my administrative
assistant.
479
00:19:43,315 --> 00:19:45,182
And how was
your relationship with her?
480
00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:48,218
Did y'all chat a lot or...
481
00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:50,688
Mccormick:
I'd say a fair amount.
482
00:19:50,756 --> 00:19:52,857
I did the floor in her house.
483
00:19:52,925 --> 00:19:55,559
I know kind of
in your original statement,
484
00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:56,794
You had said that you had, like,
485
00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:59,196
A little crush
on kimberly and stuff.
486
00:19:59,265 --> 00:20:00,430
Ah, maybe a little.
487
00:20:00,432 --> 00:20:04,535
She was a sweet girl.
488
00:20:04,604 --> 00:20:07,004
You know.
She was very attractive.
489
00:20:07,072 --> 00:20:09,072
Did she ever flirt with you at
work and stuff like that or...
490
00:20:09,142 --> 00:20:10,374
Yeah.
491
00:20:10,442 --> 00:20:11,809
Did you think
she was interested?
492
00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:16,179
I'd have been,
but it would have...
493
00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:18,849
Upset too much of my life.
494
00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:21,351
Wilson: It was just kind of
a crush from afar, I guess.
495
00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:24,021
Maybe just a physical
attraction type thing or...
496
00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:25,589
- Yeah.
- What about some
497
00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:27,190
Of the letters
that you had written kim
498
00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:29,026
And stuff over the years?
499
00:20:29,094 --> 00:20:31,195
[exhales]
500
00:20:31,263 --> 00:20:35,632
I think there was one about
the french ticket thing.
501
00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:39,036
Um, that's pretty stupid
of me, probably,
502
00:20:39,104 --> 00:20:41,605
But I flew to France
all the time.
503
00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:43,273
Mm-hmm.
504
00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:45,342
And I told her
if she wanted to take tiffani,
505
00:20:45,344 --> 00:20:48,111
If I had enough frequent flyer
miles, I'd get her a ticket.
506
00:20:48,113 --> 00:20:50,614
Wilson: Look, and we know
there was a lot of letters.
507
00:20:50,616 --> 00:20:53,985
We have some of 'em.
We've read through some of 'em.
508
00:20:54,053 --> 00:20:55,853
And so we know kind of
509
00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,855
The feelings you were expressing
towards her and stuff like that.
510
00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,657
So we know there's more
than just the one
511
00:20:59,725 --> 00:21:01,525
About the european vacation.
512
00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,127
So, I mean,
it's kind of out in the open.
513
00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:07,731
I'll be honest with you. I don't
remember any more than that.
514
00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:09,132
Wilson: You don't recall?
515
00:21:09,134 --> 00:21:11,335
Siegler: Frank
is noticeably uncomfortable.
516
00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:14,137
It's hard to know
if he's uncomfortable
517
00:21:14,139 --> 00:21:15,773
Because he's been confronted
518
00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:17,808
With these
very inappropriate letters
519
00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:20,745
Or if there's something
more sinister at play here.
520
00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:22,780
You can even tell from
the letters that she's not
521
00:21:22,848 --> 00:21:27,151
Really receptive of, I guess,
what you're feeling towards her.
522
00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:30,921
Did you think that y'all were
gonna maybe be together one day?
523
00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:34,958
No, it was just an emotion.
524
00:21:35,027 --> 00:21:38,162
Yeah. I mean, you admit to
driving in front of her house
525
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:39,597
30 times a week.
526
00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:41,332
You don't remember
going by her house?
527
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:46,036
I went over there several times
to do stuff.
528
00:21:46,105 --> 00:21:47,571
But you don't remember
just driving by
529
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,807
Just unannounced
or uninvited or...
530
00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:51,675
I'll be honest. I don't.
531
00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:54,812
What we're trying to determine,
are you the type of person
532
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,449
That when the advances
and the desires that you had
533
00:21:58,517 --> 00:22:01,585
Were not met, did you walk away?
534
00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:06,924
Or do you do something else
out of anger, rage, jealousy?
535
00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:10,193
All the things that we know
in murder cases lead people
536
00:22:10,263 --> 00:22:13,464
To make mistakes when
they experience those emotions.
537
00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,532
Would you ever harm kim?
538
00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:16,700
No.
539
00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,469
- Did you harm kim?
- No.
540
00:22:18,537 --> 00:22:20,203
Do you know
where kim is at today?
541
00:22:20,273 --> 00:22:21,472
No.
542
00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:24,041
- Did you kill kim?
- No.
543
00:22:24,109 --> 00:22:26,343
I have to ask you
these questions.
544
00:22:26,412 --> 00:22:29,079
- No.
- And do you remember
545
00:22:29,148 --> 00:22:30,815
Where you went
that day after work
546
00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:34,618
Or what you did
that evening of July 9th?
547
00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:38,489
I believe my wife had called me
and asked me to stop off
548
00:22:38,557 --> 00:22:41,892
At the grocery store
on the way home.
549
00:22:41,961 --> 00:22:48,131
And I found the receipt
at the grocery store,
550
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,666
Which was timestamped.
551
00:22:49,735 --> 00:22:51,802
You remember anything
about a poker game?
552
00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:55,206
Maybe.
Is that what I said last time?
553
00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:57,274
Yeah. That's why
you had stopped at the store,
554
00:22:57,342 --> 00:22:59,042
To get some chips and stuff.
555
00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:01,612
- Ah. Okay, that makes sense.
- All right, sir.
556
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,782
Well, we'll walk you out to
your vehicle and get you home.
557
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:08,886
Abbondandolo: He had a
documented crush on our victim.
558
00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:10,788
We gave him the opportunity
to talk about it.
559
00:23:10,856 --> 00:23:13,290
I think
his emotional response was odd,
560
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,192
But there was nothing
that came from the interview
561
00:23:15,261 --> 00:23:18,061
That led me
to believe that he had
562
00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:19,830
Any part in her disappearance.
563
00:23:19,899 --> 00:23:22,065
But we still have
a lot more work to do.
564
00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,501
And next up
is examining how kim's car
565
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:26,771
Ended up abandoned
in that parking lot.
566
00:23:38,749 --> 00:23:41,485
Let's go to terry's house first,
567
00:23:41,553 --> 00:23:43,821
And then that way
we can get a pretty good read
568
00:23:43,889 --> 00:23:45,455
On how far it would have taken
569
00:23:45,457 --> 00:23:46,990
To get to
that eckerd's parking lot.
570
00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:48,692
Go check it out.
571
00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:51,261
Siegler: The details
of kimberly's disappearance
572
00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:53,797
Are still unclear,
but we do know that her car
573
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,565
Ended up
in that eckerd's parking lot.
574
00:23:55,635 --> 00:24:00,070
If we can connect her abductor
to the location of her car,
575
00:24:00,139 --> 00:24:01,939
That could maybe help us
solve the case.
576
00:24:02,007 --> 00:24:05,909
So what we need to do is
retrace kim's steps that night,
577
00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:08,512
Starting with the place we know
that she was last seen alive,
578
00:24:08,581 --> 00:24:10,548
At terry rose's house.
579
00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:12,315
This is the house right here.
580
00:24:12,317 --> 00:24:14,451
Yes. Terry rose's house.
581
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,819
This was where
terry's wrecker yard was.
582
00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:17,588
So when those guys
left that day,
583
00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:19,322
The other wrecker drivers,
584
00:24:19,392 --> 00:24:21,658
It's real easy to see what's
going on with the car situation.
585
00:24:21,727 --> 00:24:24,161
They would have probably been
pulling out and saw kim's car.
586
00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:26,463
Abbondandolo: An employee
of terry's wrecker service
587
00:24:26,531 --> 00:24:28,698
Told police
he saw kim's car parked
588
00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:30,834
At the property
at about 5:50 p.M.
589
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,470
And by 6:20 p.M.,
the car was gone.
590
00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,739
And all of this
lines up with terry's story.
591
00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,474
If he did something,
he would have to do it
592
00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:39,476
Without them seeing,
593
00:24:39,545 --> 00:24:42,512
Which, even though it's very
close, it's certainly doable.
594
00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:45,682
If terry killed kim in his home,
he would need to get rid
595
00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:47,885
Of that car quickly
to avoid suspicion.
596
00:24:47,953 --> 00:24:49,853
As an experienced
wrecker driver,
597
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:51,688
Terry would have access
to a tow truck,
598
00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:53,790
The skills to hook up
a car quickly
599
00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:56,527
And transport it inconspicuously
the short distance
600
00:24:56,595 --> 00:24:59,496
To the eckerd's
shopping center parking lot.
601
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,099
So she's in this spot
right here.
602
00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:02,867
Right.
603
00:25:05,137 --> 00:25:06,870
So, what are the reasons
604
00:25:06,872 --> 00:25:08,939
Why kim's car could have
been here legitimately?
605
00:25:09,008 --> 00:25:10,874
If she were shopping
at eckerd.
606
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:12,810
But we know that she had spoken
to her daughter,
607
00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:14,645
And she never indicated
that she needed to make
608
00:25:14,713 --> 00:25:16,647
Any other stops
before coming home,
609
00:25:16,715 --> 00:25:18,015
Except for terry's house.
610
00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:19,883
And all the cameras
around her were checked,
611
00:25:19,885 --> 00:25:21,118
And nothing turned up.
612
00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:23,720
Right. The eckerd's video system
was checked,
613
00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:27,458
And they never recognized kim
coming in and out of the store.
614
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,860
So we know she never
made it into eckerd's.
615
00:25:29,928 --> 00:25:31,529
Kim had no reason to be here.
616
00:25:31,597 --> 00:25:33,697
If we're considering
the possibility
617
00:25:33,766 --> 00:25:35,666
That kim was abducted
by a stranger,
618
00:25:35,734 --> 00:25:37,968
There are some things
that don't add up.
619
00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:39,503
We don't have any evidence
620
00:25:39,571 --> 00:25:42,005
That she ever actually
went inside the eckerd's.
621
00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:44,775
She did not tell anybody
she was making a stop.
622
00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:47,010
And when you look
at the map closely,
623
00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:49,346
This is not even
on her normal ride home.
624
00:25:49,414 --> 00:25:51,114
Putting all that together,
625
00:25:51,116 --> 00:25:54,718
We can eliminate the theory
that kim drove herself here
626
00:25:54,786 --> 00:25:57,487
And was abducted
by an unknown stranger.
627
00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,890
Which leads us back
to the theory
628
00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:03,927
That terry transported
her car here with his wrecker.
629
00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:07,898
If you're a wrecker driver
and you're pulling kim's car,
630
00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:10,401
Does he get out, or is it that
you don't even have to get out?
631
00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:11,635
I think it's a kind
you don't have to get out,
632
00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:12,769
That he just drops it.
633
00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:14,437
Your one witness is deceased now
634
00:26:14,439 --> 00:26:16,073
Says you saw terry here.
635
00:26:16,141 --> 00:26:17,341
- Right.
- Right.
636
00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:19,643
Back in 1999,
637
00:26:19,711 --> 00:26:22,312
There was a witness
who came forward who claimed
638
00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:24,581
That she saw terry's wrecker
in the parking lot
639
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:26,783
Around 6:45 p.M.
640
00:26:26,852 --> 00:26:29,920
Unfortunately, that witness
has now passed away,
641
00:26:29,989 --> 00:26:32,590
Which makes
that statement inadmissible.
642
00:26:32,658 --> 00:26:35,960
But this witness puts terry
in the parking lot
643
00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:38,896
Around the time
we believe kim went missing.
644
00:26:38,964 --> 00:26:43,366
He had several hours, anytime
between 6 p.M. And 9:30 p.M.
645
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,202
Of him at the pool hall.
646
00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,569
Abbondandolo: Terry really
didn't have an alibi
647
00:26:46,571 --> 00:26:48,405
That the police could verify.
648
00:26:48,473 --> 00:26:51,074
He said he was home alone
until about 9:30 p.M.
649
00:26:51,076 --> 00:26:52,409
And then he went
to a local pool hall,
650
00:26:52,478 --> 00:26:53,810
The corner pocket.
651
00:26:53,879 --> 00:26:55,378
That corner pocket
was where back then?
652
00:26:55,448 --> 00:26:56,914
It's around the corner.
653
00:26:56,982 --> 00:26:59,149
What are the odds, right?
654
00:26:59,151 --> 00:27:01,018
Terry decides
to play pool on the night
655
00:27:01,086 --> 00:27:03,620
Of kim's disappearance,
and of all places,
656
00:27:03,688 --> 00:27:06,023
He ends up in the same
shopping center parking lot
657
00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,891
As where kim's
abandoned car is found.
658
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,293
I just don't believe it.
659
00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:11,562
If terry did move her car there,
660
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:13,163
It gives him
a perfect opportunity
661
00:27:13,232 --> 00:27:16,333
To keep an eye on the car
for when the police find it.
662
00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:18,668
If terry's not the one
responsible for this,
663
00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:20,504
That's one
hell of a coincidence.
664
00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:24,975
So, what are the chances
that his former girlfriend's car
665
00:27:25,043 --> 00:27:28,311
Ends up here
that night he ends up here?
666
00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:31,415
- All in the same night? No way.
- Wow.
667
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,820
Siegler: While we're connecting
the dots pretty well
668
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,690
That terry did have
the opportunity to kill kim,
669
00:27:39,758 --> 00:27:42,760
We still wanna learn more
about a potential motive.
670
00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,828
- Ingrid?
- Yes, sir.
671
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:47,297
Good morning. How you doing?
672
00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:50,000
Kim was close to her
childhood friend ingrid dunn
673
00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:51,368
And to her mom, esther.
674
00:27:51,436 --> 00:27:53,136
She actually lived
with them for a time
675
00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:54,404
When she was in high school.
676
00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,873
We're hoping
that she opened up to them
677
00:27:56,942 --> 00:27:59,710
About how terry acted
after they broke up.
678
00:27:59,778 --> 00:28:03,346
The terry situation.
Yeah, I knew about that.
679
00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:07,484
He seemed to be a very nice guy.
But then as time went on,
680
00:28:07,553 --> 00:28:10,154
He just started getting
kind of crazy, possessive.
681
00:28:10,222 --> 00:28:13,724
It was just kind
of a toxic relationship.
682
00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:15,358
You know,
she finally had enough.
683
00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:18,128
She knew it was time to go,
684
00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:20,597
So she kind of started
moving forward with her life.
685
00:28:20,665 --> 00:28:23,233
She seemed happy,
but she was dating someone else,
686
00:28:23,302 --> 00:28:25,068
And it got serious.
687
00:28:25,136 --> 00:28:27,971
But terry was still
kind of, you know,
688
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Calling her all the time,
badgering her,
689
00:28:30,309 --> 00:28:31,775
Wanting to get her back.
690
00:28:31,844 --> 00:28:33,276
"baby, I love you.
691
00:28:33,345 --> 00:28:34,945
Will you see me?
Can I come talk to you?"
692
00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:37,214
She'd just say,
"he's still following me around.
693
00:28:37,282 --> 00:28:38,882
He's still threatening me."
694
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:40,350
Siegler: What do you think
kim was thinking
695
00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:41,851
As far as her relationship
with terry
696
00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:43,687
In those last couple of months?
697
00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:45,589
Keep it calm and friendly.
698
00:28:45,657 --> 00:28:47,924
Things will calm down,
and he will go away.
699
00:28:47,993 --> 00:28:50,360
She was running from somebody
that wouldn't leave her alone.
700
00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:52,829
I just can't even
imagine the fear
701
00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:56,933
That was going on in her mind
when all that was going on.
702
00:28:57,002 --> 00:29:00,037
I've seen this so many times
where you have
703
00:29:00,105 --> 00:29:03,373
A woman is with an obsessive,
possessive, jealous man
704
00:29:03,442 --> 00:29:06,309
And tries to keep him happy
by going along,
705
00:29:06,378 --> 00:29:09,246
By pacifying him, by agreeing
to whatever he wants,
706
00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:10,980
Thinking that it'll
all just go away.
707
00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:14,017
It never happens.
They don't go away. It keeps on.
708
00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:17,187
It gets worse,
and it ends terribly.
709
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,526
Kimberly, in a sense,
710
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:25,094
Would have been like
a daughter to you.
711
00:29:25,096 --> 00:29:27,597
Absolutely.
She was a wonderful person.
712
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,968
She was funny. She was happy.
She was crazy and stupid.
713
00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:33,136
She was just my girl.
I loved her.
714
00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:35,272
She ended up meeting terry.
715
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,642
And as time went along,
he was controlling.
716
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:40,477
He was just
constantly possessive.
717
00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,345
When she would try to leave,
718
00:29:42,414 --> 00:29:44,181
And she tried to leave
several times,
719
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:47,150
It was like, against the door.
Can't go. Here we go.
720
00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:48,952
He told her all the time,
"if you ever leave me
721
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,787
For anybody else,
I'll kill you."
722
00:29:50,856 --> 00:29:53,423
- Who did you hear that from?
- I heard that from kim.
723
00:29:53,492 --> 00:29:54,858
One day she told me--she said
724
00:29:54,926 --> 00:29:56,993
The night before
he had tried to strangle her.
725
00:29:57,062 --> 00:29:59,763
And she said,
"I thought I was gonna die."
726
00:29:59,831 --> 00:30:01,298
And she couldn't have
fought her way out of it.
727
00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:04,000
He just decided to let go.
728
00:30:04,069 --> 00:30:05,435
She said,
"I blacked out and I came back."
729
00:30:05,437 --> 00:30:07,204
She was scared to death.
730
00:30:07,272 --> 00:30:09,206
Siegler: Esther
is recounting a story
731
00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:11,108
Right out of the mouth of kim,
732
00:30:11,176 --> 00:30:13,943
Where kim
is in fear for her life
733
00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,112
As terry is strangling her.
734
00:30:16,181 --> 00:30:18,982
Pushed her down on the bed, and
he continued to strangle her.
735
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:22,486
Siegler: If terry killed kim,
this might be our best clue
736
00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:25,923
As to how he did it
and possibly explain
737
00:30:25,925 --> 00:30:28,291
Why there was no blood
found in terry's house
738
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,160
When the police department
searched it
739
00:30:30,228 --> 00:30:31,728
After kim disappeared.
740
00:30:31,796 --> 00:30:33,496
She called me and she said,
"I'm going to terry's."
741
00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:35,031
I said, "kimberly,
do not go to terry's."
742
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,334
- Is this that last time?
- Mm-hmm.
743
00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:39,502
And she said,
"he called me and told me
744
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,938
There was jewelry there and
that come by and pick it up."
745
00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:43,940
I said, "please don't go.
746
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,443
Whatever it is, I'll buy it
for you. I'll replace it."
747
00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,878
"no, it's okay. He hadn't
done anything in a few months."
748
00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:52,182
I said, "kim, he's gonna
hurt you. He's gonna hurt you."
749
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:55,986
As far as she knows, terry
doesn't know yet about ken?
750
00:30:56,054 --> 00:30:57,320
I think he knew.
751
00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:59,022
- You do? Okay.
- Mm-hmm.
752
00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,057
They'd just gone to cancun
and come back.
753
00:31:01,126 --> 00:31:02,993
Siegler: What do you think
terry would do
754
00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:06,563
If he found out about a new man
that's this serious?
755
00:31:06,631 --> 00:31:08,765
He's not gonna let her go.
756
00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:11,801
Esther is shedding
a whole new light
757
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,804
On kim's final visit
to terry's house.
758
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,739
We've already learned
that terry found out
759
00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:18,875
About her mexico trip with ken.
760
00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:22,012
She's wearing the t-shirt,
possibly an engagement ring,
761
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,982
And now we're hearing that
she's collecting her belongings.
762
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,850
It sounds like the perfect
storm signaling to terry
763
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,853
That kim might have moved on,
764
00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:32,322
And that may have pushed him
over the edge.
765
00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:34,591
It's okay.
766
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:02,552
So, if I'm gonna talk
to a crook,
767
00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:04,788
Like a real crook,
I always wear a white shirt.
768
00:32:04,856 --> 00:32:07,790
I'm a believer in it.
I have anecdotal evidence
769
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,726
That proves
if I wear a white shirt,
770
00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:11,394
I do better
than a colored shirt.
771
00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:12,662
- A colored shirt?
- Yep.
772
00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:15,598
Never heard of that,
but I like it.
773
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,367
Think terry rose is gonna talk?
774
00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:18,702
I think he will.
775
00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:20,570
Because he's got one of those
776
00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:23,006
"I wanna have
the last say on everything."
777
00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,074
I hope so.
778
00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:26,242
We're gonna go talk our suspect,
779
00:32:26,311 --> 00:32:28,912
Kim's ex-boyfriend, terry rose.
780
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:31,948
He hasn't really talked to law
enforcement in over 20 years.
781
00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:33,649
I don't hold out a lot of hope
782
00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,551
That he's gonna talk
a whole lot today.
783
00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,320
But we are hoping
that maybe we can get
784
00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:39,222
Some little
inconsistencies in him
785
00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:40,624
That might help us
strengthen the case.
786
00:32:41,826 --> 00:32:43,660
[knocking]
787
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:49,399
[knocking]
788
00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,134
Wilson: Hello. Anybody home?
789
00:32:51,202 --> 00:32:53,703
We know you're in there.
We just wanna talk for a minute.
790
00:32:53,705 --> 00:32:57,474
We're not going away,
so you might come to the door.
791
00:32:57,542 --> 00:32:59,142
Wanna walk
just around to the side?
792
00:32:59,211 --> 00:33:02,112
- Yeah.
- I bet that's him.
793
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:03,947
Hey, terry.
Can we talk to you for a minute?
794
00:33:06,384 --> 00:33:07,818
Abbondandolo: Terry's trying
to leave through a gate
795
00:33:07,886 --> 00:33:09,619
On the other end
of the property.
796
00:33:09,621 --> 00:33:12,255
Maybe he's trying to dodge us,
but we're gonna cut him off.
797
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:15,859
Check him out
in that old piece of ... Truck.
798
00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:18,795
- Hi. Are you terry?
- I'm terry.
799
00:33:18,863 --> 00:33:20,497
Any chance we could talk
to you for a minute?
800
00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:22,499
I'm gonna back up.
Y'all can go in.
801
00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:23,834
Thank you.
802
00:33:26,972 --> 00:33:28,839
Yeah.
803
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,041
I'm heather wilson.
I work for beaumont pd.
804
00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:35,612
My name's abbey. I'm a retired
homicide detective from houston.
805
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,013
And I gotta be honest with you.
806
00:33:37,081 --> 00:33:39,449
I feel like you're
trying to dodge us, sir.
807
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:40,950
Nope.
808
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,153
You didn't hear us knock
on the door before?
809
00:33:43,221 --> 00:33:45,455
I just walked down there
and walked back.
810
00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:47,023
I saw you in the yard.
I called to you.
811
00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:49,125
I feel like you didn't
wanna hear what I had to say.
812
00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:51,361
And then you were driving away.
813
00:33:51,429 --> 00:33:54,031
- I didn't know who you are.
- I just told you my name.
814
00:33:54,099 --> 00:33:56,232
- You just did.
- Yes, sir.
815
00:33:56,301 --> 00:33:57,600
What do you need?
816
00:33:57,669 --> 00:34:00,136
You had an ex-girlfriend
who went missing.
817
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,872
What's your theory
on what happened to her?
818
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:03,206
What do you think?
819
00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:05,908
- I don't really know.
- No?
820
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:09,179
She came to your house,
and then she left on that day.
821
00:34:09,247 --> 00:34:12,081
- And...
- Yeah, I guess so.
822
00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:15,218
When she left your house,
was she upset?
823
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,254
- Was she happy?
- No.
824
00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:19,055
Did y'all get
in any kind of argument?
825
00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:21,157
No, she wasn't angry
or nothing like that.
826
00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:24,294
- Were you all still together?
- We broke up.
827
00:34:24,362 --> 00:34:27,764
I think she was dating somebody
from work or something.
828
00:34:27,832 --> 00:34:30,433
- Do you know that guy's name?
- No.
829
00:34:30,435 --> 00:34:35,105
Once we broke it off,
I figured, just leave her alone.
830
00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:36,773
Yeah.
831
00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,509
Do you remember why
she even stopped by that day
832
00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,143
If you all
weren't still together?
833
00:34:41,145 --> 00:34:43,880
I think there was some stuff
that she still had here...
834
00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:46,816
- Yeah.
- ..And had in storage.
835
00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,285
- Called me that day.
- Mm-hmm.
836
00:34:49,354 --> 00:34:52,422
Mm-hmm.
What happened to the boards?
837
00:34:52,491 --> 00:34:54,925
Terry initially told
the police department
838
00:34:54,993 --> 00:34:58,895
That kim came over that day
to help him attach some boards.
839
00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:01,197
And now he's saying
that kim came over that day
840
00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:04,801
To get some things,
which is what kim told esther.
841
00:35:04,869 --> 00:35:06,903
Did he forget
his original story?
842
00:35:06,971 --> 00:35:10,406
- You helped her out a lot.
- Yeah, I did.
843
00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:12,108
Did you give her 500 bucks
so she could go
844
00:35:12,177 --> 00:35:14,010
On a trip to cozumel
or wherever she went?
845
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,113
- No.
- All of that's bs.
846
00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:18,047
- I've never heard of that.
- You've never heard of that?
847
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,117
Cozumel?
When did she go to cozumel?
848
00:35:20,185 --> 00:35:22,318
Right before she went missing.
849
00:35:22,387 --> 00:35:25,221
Wilson: About two weeks.
Either cancun or cozumel.
850
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:26,989
No ...
851
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:29,826
But even now, 24 years later,
you've never heard that?
852
00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:32,929
That she had went on vacation
with another guy?
853
00:35:32,998 --> 00:35:35,031
- No.
- Huh.
854
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,500
Terry's saying today
that he knew nothing
855
00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:39,969
About kim taking
some trip to mexico.
856
00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:41,504
But according
to kim's sister,
857
00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:43,473
Terry not only knew
about that trip,
858
00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:45,207
He was upset about that trip
859
00:35:45,209 --> 00:35:48,244
Because he's the one who gave
kim money to go to mexico
860
00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:50,280
He thought with some girlfriends
861
00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:52,048
When she really went
with another man.
862
00:35:52,116 --> 00:35:53,450
So, what is this?
863
00:35:53,518 --> 00:35:55,284
Just another memory lapse,
I guess.
864
00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,219
Was there ever
anything between you and her?
865
00:35:57,221 --> 00:35:58,221
You physical with her?
866
00:35:58,290 --> 00:36:00,189
No, no, no. I don't do that.
867
00:36:00,259 --> 00:36:02,058
Did you ever lay a hand on her?
868
00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:03,292
No.
869
00:36:03,294 --> 00:36:04,994
- Ever threaten her?
- No.
870
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,896
You don't strike me
as the kind of guy
871
00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:08,198
That would threaten a woman.
872
00:36:08,266 --> 00:36:09,766
No. Because that's pussy.
873
00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:11,767
- Did you ever choke kim?
- No.
874
00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:13,303
Never put your hands
around her neck?
875
00:36:13,371 --> 00:36:14,637
- No.
- Okay.
876
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,039
- Never put hands on her.
- Nope.
877
00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:19,175
Any man that would
do that's a pussy.
878
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,477
Siegler: From terry's
own statement,
879
00:36:21,546 --> 00:36:23,379
We know that he admitted
slapping kim.
880
00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:25,415
The more he talks today,
881
00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:27,383
The more he makes
the case stronger.
882
00:36:27,452 --> 00:36:29,986
On that night
that she went missing,
883
00:36:30,054 --> 00:36:32,689
You played pool
in the same parking lot
884
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:35,458
Where her car was found.
885
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:37,660
That was over by the bank.
886
00:36:37,729 --> 00:36:40,263
That's about way
on the other side.
887
00:36:40,331 --> 00:36:42,565
You swear to god everything
you told us is the truth?
888
00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:45,635
Everything that I told you is
true as far as I can remember.
889
00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,203
You can listen to him talk,
890
00:36:47,272 --> 00:36:49,405
And it doesn't take you
very long to realize
891
00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:52,074
That what we've been hearing
all week about him
892
00:36:52,076 --> 00:36:53,810
Sounds pretty accurate.
893
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:58,348
He's not stupid.
He's kind of a smart-ass.
894
00:36:58,416 --> 00:37:01,217
He's definitely defensive
and cynical.
895
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,820
And the way
he portrays his relationship,
896
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,322
He never laid a finger on kim.
897
00:37:06,324 --> 00:37:07,958
He never threatened kim.
898
00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:10,727
Their relationship was over
in a normal way.
899
00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:13,362
It contradicts everything
we've been hearing.
900
00:37:13,364 --> 00:37:14,364
It went better than I thought.
901
00:37:14,432 --> 00:37:16,266
It was the white shirt.
902
00:37:16,334 --> 00:37:18,368
- It's the white shirt.
- It's the white shirt.
903
00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,347
How y'all doing today?
904
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:31,648
- Morning.
- Good morning. We're good.
905
00:37:31,716 --> 00:37:34,083
Siegler: While we considered
the possibility
906
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,185
That an unknown suspect
was responsible
907
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:39,455
For the 1999 disappearance
of kimberly langwell,
908
00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:41,691
We found no evidence
to support that.
909
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,027
So now it's time
to determine the involvement
910
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:46,162
Of our two remaining suspects.
911
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:47,764
Siegler: Okay. Frank.
912
00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:51,200
As suspicious as his actions
were back then,
913
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,502
Driving by her house
and the creepy love letters,
914
00:37:53,572 --> 00:37:55,538
I just don't see
the motive there
915
00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:58,040
To ever wanna harm
or do anything to kim.
916
00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:01,077
I think he was just looking for
somebody to pay him attention.
917
00:38:01,145 --> 00:38:04,881
But during the interview,
I didn't see any deception
918
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,916
As to he was a killer
or anything like that.
919
00:38:06,985 --> 00:38:08,951
Do you know
where kim is at today?
920
00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:10,720
No.
921
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:12,889
- Did you kill kim?
- No.
922
00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:14,891
And look how cooperative
he was with y'all,
923
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,327
Today and back then,
at all the risk he faced
924
00:38:17,395 --> 00:38:19,929
Of being pretty embarrassed
professionally
925
00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:21,230
And with his wife.
926
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:23,166
We didn't find any evidence
927
00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,102
That connects frank
to kim or to her car.
928
00:38:26,171 --> 00:38:28,370
And the receipts
that he provided
929
00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:30,573
Show us
that he was buying snacks
930
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,875
Around the time
that kim was abducted
931
00:38:32,944 --> 00:38:35,211
For a poker party
that he later hosted.
932
00:38:35,279 --> 00:38:37,513
And those witnesses
also corroborate
933
00:38:37,582 --> 00:38:39,215
What frank was doing that night.
934
00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:40,550
While he might
have been downplaying
935
00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:42,152
His obsession with kim,
936
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:44,787
That's probably
because he was a married man,
937
00:38:44,789 --> 00:38:47,924
And he's embarrassed about that
way more than it has anything
938
00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:49,492
To do with his involvement
in a murder.
939
00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,193
So, is everybody good
940
00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:52,895
With clearing frank mccormick
off the suspect board?
941
00:38:52,964 --> 00:38:54,964
- Yes.
- Unanimous. All right.
942
00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:57,566
We can eliminate frank
once and for all.
943
00:38:57,636 --> 00:38:59,936
Okay, so all the terry points,
944
00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:01,604
Laying it out
to your prosecutor.
945
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:02,972
Start with your story.
946
00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:05,908
Kim and the relationship
between her and terry's.
947
00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:08,377
- And what are you gonna say?
- Terry's just not trusting her
948
00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:10,780
Or wanting to know
who she was with.
949
00:39:16,455 --> 00:39:18,120
Driving by her house,
checking in on her,
950
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:20,056
Wanting to know
what time she left work.
951
00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:22,992
"he keeps trying to call me.
He's still following me around.
952
00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:24,794
He's still threatening me."
953
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:27,463
So then you're getting into
the abuse, how volatile it was.
954
00:39:27,532 --> 00:39:30,400
When we talked to esther,
she described to me
955
00:39:30,468 --> 00:39:33,503
How he would choke her
and that he choked her one time
956
00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:34,904
To the point
that she passed out.
957
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,306
He tried to strangle her,
958
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,375
And she said, "I thought
I was gonna die."
959
00:39:38,443 --> 00:39:40,710
Now he's saying, "I've never
laid a finger on kim."
960
00:39:40,778 --> 00:39:42,411
Did you ever lay a hand on her?
961
00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:43,513
- No.
- You never put your hands
962
00:39:43,581 --> 00:39:45,115
- Around her neck?
- No.
963
00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:48,618
So, he has the greatest motive
of anybody that exists,
964
00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:51,253
But he also has something that,
to me, is really important.
965
00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,857
He has the trigger.
She just got back from mexico.
966
00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:55,391
- Yep.
- Wilson: And for him to deny
967
00:39:55,459 --> 00:39:57,660
That he even knew
she went on a trip,
968
00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,029
It's like, come on, guy.
969
00:40:00,098 --> 00:40:01,497
Did you give her 500 bucks
so she could go
970
00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:03,266
On a trip to cozumel
or wherever she went?
971
00:40:03,334 --> 00:40:05,401
- No.
- You've never heard that?
972
00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:08,438
That she had went on vacation
with another guy?
973
00:40:08,506 --> 00:40:09,572
No.
974
00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:11,508
Susan says that terry told her,
975
00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:15,077
"now you know what it feels like
the way I do."
976
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,379
And he said,
"but how do you think I felt
977
00:40:17,381 --> 00:40:19,615
When I found out
that I gave her $500
978
00:40:19,684 --> 00:40:22,485
And she went
with another man to mexico
979
00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:23,853
Instead of girls from work?
980
00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:25,922
Imagine the anger
981
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:28,324
Of when she's trying
to break up with him,
982
00:40:28,393 --> 00:40:30,192
He's finding out about the trip,
983
00:40:30,262 --> 00:40:32,728
She's wearing a ring
that another man gave her.
984
00:40:32,797 --> 00:40:35,064
She even told people
that he had said,
985
00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,300
"if she ever leaves me,
I'm killing her."
986
00:40:37,368 --> 00:40:39,202
He told her all the time,
"if you ever leave me
987
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:41,103
For anybody else,
I'll kill you."
988
00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:44,507
Her car that's last seen
at his house
989
00:40:44,575 --> 00:40:46,876
Goes from his home
to the parking lot
990
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:48,611
Where the vehicle is found,
991
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,880
And he's there at the same time.
992
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,782
- Mm-hmm.
- You can't get past that.
993
00:40:52,851 --> 00:40:56,486
So then all this
at the end of your meeting
994
00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,921
With your prosecutor
or prosecutors today,
995
00:40:58,990 --> 00:41:01,524
Your hope is to ask them
to do what, lieutenant?
996
00:41:01,592 --> 00:41:03,860
I would ask that they present
the case to the grand jury
997
00:41:03,928 --> 00:41:06,095
For an indictment on terry rose.
998
00:41:06,097 --> 00:41:08,998
I believe we have a strong case.
I believe it's a winnable case.
999
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,233
- I feel very optimistic.
- I feel pretty good about it.
1000
00:41:11,303 --> 00:41:12,602
- That's good.
- Yeah, it is good.
1001
00:41:20,111 --> 00:41:22,778
You know, my husband,
when I talk to him and my girls,
1002
00:41:22,847 --> 00:41:25,547
Whenever I'm working, they'll
go, "how's the case going??
1003
00:41:25,549 --> 00:41:28,951
And I'm always really good
about staying realistic.
1004
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:32,255
But this week I said,
"it's going really great."
1005
00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:37,159
Siegler: The team here presented
everything that we've learned
1006
00:41:37,228 --> 00:41:39,128
To the jefferson county
district attorney's office.
1007
00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:41,698
- How are y'all?
- Good to see you again.
1008
00:41:41,766 --> 00:41:45,167
And we wanna update kimberly's
daughter and sister on her case.
1009
00:41:45,236 --> 00:41:47,703
We've talked
to a lot of people this week,
1010
00:41:47,772 --> 00:41:50,372
And from everybody
that we've talked to,
1011
00:41:50,442 --> 00:41:53,843
It painted a real clear picture
that terry's the person
1012
00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:55,177
With the means
and the motive to do it.
1013
00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:56,212
And that's kind of ultimately
1014
00:41:56,281 --> 00:41:58,147
What it all
keeps coming back to.
1015
00:41:58,216 --> 00:42:00,349
So we met
with the da's office yesterday.
1016
00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:02,051
They gave us the impression
1017
00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:03,653
That they were going
to push for the case
1018
00:42:03,721 --> 00:42:05,054
To move forward.
1019
00:42:05,123 --> 00:42:07,389
- That's great news.
- That's great news.
1020
00:42:07,391 --> 00:42:09,325
It feels good
to hear y'all say that.
1021
00:42:09,393 --> 00:42:11,727
This is the first time
in 24 years
1022
00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:13,395
That somebody's looked at me
and said,
1023
00:42:13,465 --> 00:42:16,599
"hey, we think
that terry's responsible,"
1024
00:42:16,667 --> 00:42:22,138
So that alone is a big step.
1025
00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:25,408
For somebody else from
the outside to look at the case
1026
00:42:25,476 --> 00:42:28,577
And say, "hey, all the evidence
leads to him,"
1027
00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:30,813
It makes you feel good.
1028
00:42:30,882 --> 00:42:34,016
This doesn't change what's
happened over the last 24 years.
1029
00:42:34,085 --> 00:42:37,720
It doesn't bring her back.
It doesn't--
1030
00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:39,555
It doesn't give us
any more time with her.
1031
00:42:39,623 --> 00:42:41,790
But I'm happy.
1032
00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:44,694
- Thank you all very much.
- You're welcome.
1033
00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:47,363
I'm glad
that some people stepped up
1034
00:42:47,431 --> 00:42:48,598
And wanted to be there
for my mom.
1035
00:42:48,666 --> 00:42:51,167
And the case
got stronger and better.
1036
00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:59,241
And these guys have your back.
They're great.
1037
00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:00,843
Thank you.
1038
00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:02,611
Siegler: Give us a hug.
1039
00:43:02,681 --> 00:43:04,380
You have some good people
on your side.
1040
00:43:04,448 --> 00:43:05,447
Thank you.
1041
00:43:05,449 --> 00:43:06,849
Siegler: Tiffani has dealt
1042
00:43:06,918 --> 00:43:10,619
With so much heartache
and uncertainty
1043
00:43:10,621 --> 00:43:12,288
For the last 24 years.
1044
00:43:12,356 --> 00:43:14,957
Today we can finally
give her some answers
1045
00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:17,459
And tell her
what we all think happened
1046
00:43:17,461 --> 00:43:20,964
And maybe finally get her closer
to getting justice for her mom.
1047
00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:25,768
It's good.
1048
00:43:25,836 --> 00:43:32,709
♪ this moment may be
the only truth I need ♪
1049
00:43:32,711 --> 00:43:37,814
♪ put away my childhood dreams ♪
1050
00:43:42,086 --> 00:43:46,923
♪ oh-oh, oh ♪