1 00:00:16,482 --> 00:00:18,049 ♪ have you ever been ♪ 2 00:00:18,119 --> 00:00:20,352 ♪ at the wrong place ♪ 3 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:22,287 ♪ at the wrong time? ♪ 4 00:00:24,758 --> 00:00:27,225 - Kelly siegler: Welcome home. - Well, it's nice to be back. 5 00:00:27,294 --> 00:00:29,928 Did you ever work anything in beaumont when you were with hpd? 6 00:00:29,997 --> 00:00:31,830 Beaumont's a spot for a dumpy ground 7 00:00:31,898 --> 00:00:33,232 And another missing woman case. 8 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:36,068 It's so rural. You're so close to the gulf. 9 00:00:36,136 --> 00:00:37,135 If you're gonna get rid of a body, 10 00:00:37,204 --> 00:00:38,771 This is the right area to do it. 11 00:00:38,839 --> 00:00:41,573 This is swampy as hell, right on the way to louisiana. 12 00:00:41,575 --> 00:00:44,242 I've asked abbey to join me in my home state of texas 13 00:00:44,311 --> 00:00:45,944 Because he's familiar with the area 14 00:00:46,013 --> 00:00:48,113 And he knows how to build a murder case 15 00:00:48,181 --> 00:00:49,814 When you don't have a body. 16 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:51,216 That's exactly the kind of expertise 17 00:00:51,218 --> 00:00:53,352 That we need to investigate a case 18 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:56,020 That I've been interested in since I first heard about it 19 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:58,057 Back when I worked at the da's office. 20 00:00:58,125 --> 00:01:00,659 This is the 1999 disappearance 21 00:01:00,727 --> 00:01:03,462 Of young single mom kimberly langwell. 22 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:06,631 Kimberly langwell was 34 years old. 23 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:09,501 She lived here in beaumont, had a good job, 24 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:11,170 Had a good group of friends. 25 00:01:11,238 --> 00:01:12,504 It felt like she was just starting 26 00:01:12,573 --> 00:01:14,740 To get her life together again as a single mom. 27 00:01:14,742 --> 00:01:18,210 Kim was really pretty with a magnetic personality. 28 00:01:18,278 --> 00:01:21,880 She raised her 15-year-old daughter tiffani on her own. 29 00:01:21,949 --> 00:01:24,216 And after recently ending a relationship, 30 00:01:24,284 --> 00:01:26,485 She had a new boyfriend, and she was excited 31 00:01:26,553 --> 00:01:28,453 About the next chapter of her life. 32 00:01:28,455 --> 00:01:30,054 Abbondandolo: It's a horrible story, 33 00:01:30,124 --> 00:01:31,656 What the family went through. 34 00:01:31,725 --> 00:01:33,225 Kimberly's daughter was supposed to go out 35 00:01:33,293 --> 00:01:35,193 To dinner with her on the evening she went missing, 36 00:01:35,262 --> 00:01:38,763 And I can't imagine the fear that she went through 37 00:01:38,765 --> 00:01:40,198 When she couldn't get in touch with her mom. 38 00:01:40,267 --> 00:01:42,300 She paged her 911 and didn't get a response, 39 00:01:42,369 --> 00:01:44,469 And she knew something's gotta be wrong. 40 00:01:44,538 --> 00:01:46,771 Yeah. 41 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:49,641 Abbondandolo: On July 9, 1999, kim had made plans 42 00:01:49,709 --> 00:01:51,576 To meet her boyfriend and daughter after work, 43 00:01:51,645 --> 00:01:52,978 But she never showed. 44 00:01:53,046 --> 00:01:54,847 Later that night, her car was located 45 00:01:54,915 --> 00:01:56,248 In a drugstore parking lot. 46 00:01:56,316 --> 00:01:58,850 But kim hasn't been seen or heard from since. 47 00:01:58,919 --> 00:02:01,820 The problem with a missing-person case, 48 00:02:01,888 --> 00:02:04,823 Especially for the investigator who believes it's a murder, 49 00:02:04,892 --> 00:02:07,692 Is your main piece of evidence is missing--the body. 50 00:02:07,761 --> 00:02:11,129 The body is going to tell you what happened. 51 00:02:11,198 --> 00:02:12,965 And you're always hoping that where the body gets dumped 52 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:14,633 Can be your biggest clue, too, 53 00:02:14,701 --> 00:02:16,268 To help you figure out who did it. 54 00:02:16,336 --> 00:02:19,204 I know what it's like to go through that missing-person case 55 00:02:19,273 --> 00:02:21,773 When you know it's not a missing-person case. 56 00:02:21,842 --> 00:02:24,509 It's a murder where the body just hadn't been found. 57 00:02:24,511 --> 00:02:27,246 I've got a lot of those that haunt me still. 58 00:02:27,314 --> 00:02:30,782 I was raised by a single mom, too, just like tiffani was. 59 00:02:30,851 --> 00:02:32,517 And that bond when your mother 60 00:02:32,586 --> 00:02:34,686 Is your whole world to you growing up, 61 00:02:34,754 --> 00:02:37,556 Losing that at such a young age, 62 00:02:37,624 --> 00:02:39,658 That's got to be really devastating. 63 00:02:39,726 --> 00:02:43,027 After 24 years, it's time that we finally bring tiffani 64 00:02:43,029 --> 00:02:45,097 The answers to what happened to her mom. 65 00:02:53,540 --> 00:02:55,173 - Hello, hello, guys. - Good morning. 66 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:57,309 - Good morning, guys. - Hey, heather. This is abbey. 67 00:02:57,311 --> 00:02:58,577 - Hi. I'm abbey. - Heather wilson. 68 00:02:58,645 --> 00:02:59,711 Nice to meet you, heather. Nice to meet you. 69 00:02:59,713 --> 00:03:00,779 Jesus tamayo. 70 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:02,313 - Hey, jesus. - Mitch sligar. 71 00:03:02,315 --> 00:03:03,348 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 72 00:03:03,416 --> 00:03:05,950 I remember in '99 when it happened, 73 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:08,086 'cause we were working in houston then, 74 00:03:08,155 --> 00:03:09,554 As the years went on, 75 00:03:09,556 --> 00:03:11,255 I remember seeing how y'all kept it up there 76 00:03:11,257 --> 00:03:13,057 With their picture in the paper and all that kind of stuff. 77 00:03:13,127 --> 00:03:14,392 So I was aware of the case. 78 00:03:14,461 --> 00:03:16,261 This is one of our oldest missing persons, 79 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:18,396 And it comes up every few years. 80 00:03:18,465 --> 00:03:20,232 The family's never gotten closure, 81 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:22,267 So we're very thankful you're here to help. 82 00:03:22,269 --> 00:03:24,703 In 1999, I was a patrolman, 83 00:03:24,771 --> 00:03:27,105 And I remember hearing about the case 84 00:03:27,173 --> 00:03:31,009 Because everybody was concerned about kimberly langwell. 85 00:03:31,077 --> 00:03:33,679 This case has been on my mind for quite some time, 86 00:03:33,747 --> 00:03:37,081 And it is very important to give the family 87 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:41,586 Some answers and ultimately justice. 88 00:03:41,655 --> 00:03:43,121 So, what do we know about kimberly? 89 00:03:43,189 --> 00:03:44,822 Did she grow up here in beaumont? 90 00:03:44,892 --> 00:03:47,325 Wilson: Yeah, she had lived here most of her adult life. 91 00:03:47,394 --> 00:03:49,861 She had a good job at the chemical plant. 92 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:52,564 She was a single mom and living with her daughter at the time. 93 00:03:52,632 --> 00:03:54,366 Her daughter's name is tiffani. 94 00:03:54,434 --> 00:03:57,201 And she had just gotten out of a long-term relationship 95 00:03:57,271 --> 00:04:00,004 And was getting back into the dating scene 96 00:04:00,073 --> 00:04:01,039 And getting back on her feet. 97 00:04:01,108 --> 00:04:02,574 I never thought about it 98 00:04:02,642 --> 00:04:05,076 Until I started working all these cases 99 00:04:05,145 --> 00:04:09,581 How being pretty is a risk factor, right? 100 00:04:09,649 --> 00:04:11,716 She was very beautiful. 101 00:04:11,718 --> 00:04:15,420 So on Friday, July 9, 1999, 102 00:04:15,488 --> 00:04:17,489 Kimberly had went to work that day. 103 00:04:17,557 --> 00:04:18,991 Gets off at 5:00 p.M. 104 00:04:19,059 --> 00:04:22,060 She had dinner arrangements at 6:30 p.M. 105 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:24,362 With her daughter and a new guy that kim was seeing. 106 00:04:24,431 --> 00:04:26,264 His name was ken weatherford. 107 00:04:26,333 --> 00:04:29,668 She makes a phone call to her daughter about 5:15. 108 00:04:29,736 --> 00:04:31,736 She tells tiffani that she's gonna make 109 00:04:31,805 --> 00:04:34,606 A stop on her way home to her ex-boyfriend's house. 110 00:04:34,674 --> 00:04:36,207 His name is terry rose. 111 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:38,377 He was remodeling his home at the time, 112 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:39,978 So she was gonna stop by and help him. 113 00:04:40,046 --> 00:04:41,746 They were gonna hang some boards on the wall. 114 00:04:41,815 --> 00:04:43,147 He said that she didn't stay very long, 115 00:04:43,217 --> 00:04:45,684 Maybe 15 or 20 minutes at the most. 116 00:04:45,752 --> 00:04:48,053 However, she never made it home at 6:30, 117 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:50,155 And she actually never made it home at all. 118 00:04:50,223 --> 00:04:54,959 And when do tiffani and new boyfriend get alarmed? 119 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:57,161 When she was about an hour late. 120 00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:59,163 They had been trying her cell phone at this time. 121 00:04:59,165 --> 00:05:02,166 So about 11 p.M., ken leaves the house, 122 00:05:02,236 --> 00:05:03,702 And he's started circling around, 123 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:06,037 Just, like, local bars and shopping area, 124 00:05:06,106 --> 00:05:08,072 Looking for kim or her vehicle. 125 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:10,108 So sure enough, he actually finds her vehicle 126 00:05:10,177 --> 00:05:12,344 In front of an eckerd's parking lot. 127 00:05:12,412 --> 00:05:15,047 He said it stood out 'cause it was pretty much the only car 128 00:05:15,115 --> 00:05:16,514 In that area of the parking lot. 129 00:05:16,583 --> 00:05:18,317 So he checked the vehicle. 130 00:05:18,385 --> 00:05:20,985 She wasn't in it. He's thinking clearly 131 00:05:21,054 --> 00:05:23,121 She made other plans. 132 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:25,690 About 8 a.M.-- This is now on July 10-- 133 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,692 He makes his way back to the parking lot, 134 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:29,694 Thinking her car should be gone by now. 135 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:32,463 She's gone home. The car is still there. 136 00:05:32,465 --> 00:05:34,999 At that point, it was kind of like something's not right here. 137 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:36,701 So they started to call the police 138 00:05:36,703 --> 00:05:38,403 And report her missing. 139 00:05:38,471 --> 00:05:40,204 Abbondandolo: When police searched kim's car, 140 00:05:40,206 --> 00:05:42,441 Her purse and car keys were missing, though no one believes 141 00:05:42,443 --> 00:05:44,342 She would have just run off and left her daughter. 142 00:05:44,411 --> 00:05:45,877 We can't rule out the possibility 143 00:05:45,946 --> 00:05:48,813 That kim stopped at the drugstore on her way home 144 00:05:48,815 --> 00:05:50,849 And was abducted by an unknown suspect. 145 00:05:50,917 --> 00:05:52,316 But the investigation always 146 00:05:52,386 --> 00:05:54,853 Centered around the known suspects in her world. 147 00:05:54,921 --> 00:05:58,356 Her boyfriend ken displayed no red flags, and he was cleared. 148 00:05:58,425 --> 00:06:00,592 But police were still interested in two other suspects. 149 00:06:00,660 --> 00:06:03,027 Okay, y'all wanna start with terry rose? 150 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:04,762 Yes. 151 00:06:04,832 --> 00:06:07,933 Terry knew kimberly because-- what was their relationship? 152 00:06:07,935 --> 00:06:10,134 Wilson: They were exes back in 1999. 153 00:06:10,204 --> 00:06:12,570 Terry owned a wrecker yard. 154 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:14,839 - And he's a tow truck driver. - Right. 155 00:06:14,908 --> 00:06:18,377 His tow company is no longer operational, though, so... 156 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:20,278 How long have they been broken up? 157 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:22,714 About six months. Apparently, 158 00:06:22,783 --> 00:06:26,150 Terry had an affair with one of kim's friends, 159 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:27,886 Which prompted the breakup. 160 00:06:27,954 --> 00:06:30,521 Siegler: How do we wanna describe their relationship? 161 00:06:30,523 --> 00:06:33,958 He was infatuated with her, according to everybody. 162 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:37,195 He was obsessed. He was possessive. 163 00:06:37,263 --> 00:06:38,997 Wilson: They did verbally argue a lot. 164 00:06:39,065 --> 00:06:41,733 Terry later admitted to physical abuse. 165 00:06:41,801 --> 00:06:43,668 What's the most he physically abused her? 166 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:46,338 I think he said a slap. He slapped her in the face. 167 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,139 I think there's a significance 168 00:06:48,208 --> 00:06:49,941 That the phone that's found in the car 169 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:51,876 Is her cell phone that he pays for. 170 00:06:51,945 --> 00:06:53,578 Wilson: That he pays for. 171 00:06:53,646 --> 00:06:55,113 Abbondandolo: Despite their tumultuous relationship 172 00:06:55,181 --> 00:06:56,748 And breakup, terry was still trying 173 00:06:56,816 --> 00:06:58,316 To keep kim in his life, 174 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,419 Routinely giving her money for bills and expenses, 175 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:04,156 Including giving her $500 for her trip to mexico 176 00:07:04,224 --> 00:07:05,623 Shortly before she disappeared. 177 00:07:05,692 --> 00:07:07,692 So he clearly wasn't over her. 178 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,963 Okay, so now let's put frank mccormick up on the board. 179 00:07:12,031 --> 00:07:14,566 What's his relationship with kimberly? 180 00:07:14,634 --> 00:07:16,801 He worked with kim. He was one of her supervisors 181 00:07:16,803 --> 00:07:19,637 And admittedly had a crush on her. 182 00:07:19,706 --> 00:07:21,072 Frank was married at the time. 183 00:07:21,074 --> 00:07:23,007 He had what I would even consider 184 00:07:23,009 --> 00:07:24,242 Like an obsessive crush on her. 185 00:07:24,311 --> 00:07:26,478 He would actually write her love letters 186 00:07:26,546 --> 00:07:28,747 And exchange them with her at work. 187 00:07:28,815 --> 00:07:30,348 She hung on to all these letters. 188 00:07:30,417 --> 00:07:33,652 She kind of had this weird vibe about it and thought, 189 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,987 "if I ever get fired one day, I wanna hang on to these. 190 00:07:36,056 --> 00:07:38,022 And so she was actually secretly giving 191 00:07:38,091 --> 00:07:40,825 These love letters to her best friend at the time 192 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:42,360 Who hung onto 'em for all these years. 193 00:07:42,429 --> 00:07:45,663 And there's a lot of 'em, and they're pretty creepy. 194 00:07:45,732 --> 00:07:47,832 Siegler: When y'all did go talk to him back then, 195 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:49,301 Remind me of how he acted. 196 00:07:49,369 --> 00:07:50,469 I know in his statement, 197 00:07:50,537 --> 00:07:52,704 He just admitted, "I have a crush on kim." 198 00:07:52,772 --> 00:07:54,372 - She's very attractive." - I think it was minimized. 199 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,706 I think it was a little downplayed. 200 00:07:55,708 --> 00:07:57,575 Always downplayed. "we're friends." 201 00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:00,578 He stands to lose a lot at work and at home. 202 00:08:00,580 --> 00:08:02,313 His reputation. 203 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:04,483 Siegler: Frank might have been downplaying his feelings 204 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:06,317 For kim back then, 205 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,421 But these letters sure seem to say otherwise. 206 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,790 Is it possible that frank might have followed kim that night 207 00:08:12,859 --> 00:08:15,693 And then intercepted her after she left terry's house? 208 00:08:15,762 --> 00:08:17,128 We need to figure out 209 00:08:17,197 --> 00:08:18,997 How dangerous frank's obsession really was. 210 00:08:28,908 --> 00:08:31,543 Have y'all ever met tiffani before today? 211 00:08:31,611 --> 00:08:34,645 She's a very pleasant lady. 212 00:08:34,715 --> 00:08:37,448 You can tell that she misses her mom dearly. 213 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,184 Me and tiffani are about the same age, 214 00:08:39,252 --> 00:08:42,521 And so I just can't imagine my mom leaving for work one day 215 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:45,223 And just never coming back, you know? 216 00:08:45,291 --> 00:08:47,892 I know that just altered her world. 217 00:08:47,894 --> 00:08:49,427 Siegler: Who raised her after that? 218 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:52,229 Wilson: Her aunt susan, who's kim's sister. 219 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:55,666 I've met with the family personally, and I love them. 220 00:08:55,668 --> 00:08:57,268 They're just such good people. 221 00:08:57,337 --> 00:08:58,636 - Hello. - Hey, how are you? 222 00:08:58,705 --> 00:09:00,171 - Good. How are you doing? - Good. Thank you. 223 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,772 Hi. 224 00:09:01,774 --> 00:09:03,441 - I'm tiffani. - Nice to meet you, tiffani. 225 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:05,910 - Nice to meet you. - Hi, detective tamayo. 226 00:09:05,979 --> 00:09:08,679 And you see them and you see kimberly. 227 00:09:08,681 --> 00:09:11,883 I mean, her daughter and her sister look just like her, 228 00:09:11,885 --> 00:09:14,652 And it really puts things into reality. 229 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:16,621 And it's just unfair. It's unfair to tiffani. 230 00:09:16,689 --> 00:09:18,923 And we just want justice for the family. 231 00:09:18,992 --> 00:09:21,559 Well, I guess we can just kind of start with-- 232 00:09:21,628 --> 00:09:22,794 If you wanna just kind of describe 233 00:09:22,862 --> 00:09:24,328 And tell me about your mom. 234 00:09:24,398 --> 00:09:26,698 I'm an only child. 235 00:09:26,766 --> 00:09:29,467 My mom raised me pretty much by herself. 236 00:09:29,536 --> 00:09:31,269 She had a lot of friends 237 00:09:31,337 --> 00:09:35,139 And, you know, she was very fun and fun loving. 238 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:38,242 - What was she like growing up? - A little monster. 239 00:09:38,311 --> 00:09:41,579 - [laughter] - no, she was a cute kid. 240 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:44,616 She was my tagalong. She was a good sister. 241 00:09:44,684 --> 00:09:48,853 She was a young mother. Mom had me when she was 18. 242 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:51,589 Whenever I was real young, she was working, you know, 243 00:09:51,658 --> 00:09:54,526 A daytime job, a nighttime job, and then a weekend job 244 00:09:54,528 --> 00:09:56,194 Just to make sure that we made it. 245 00:09:56,262 --> 00:09:58,129 So she was very strong in that way. 246 00:09:58,198 --> 00:10:02,566 She was my world and I was hers. 247 00:10:02,636 --> 00:10:05,337 The first few years were absolutely the hardest. 248 00:10:05,405 --> 00:10:07,038 You know, those are the years 249 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,207 That you're going through high school, 250 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:14,979 Your first dances, driving, and proms and trips. 251 00:10:15,047 --> 00:10:16,147 And she wasn't there. 252 00:10:16,215 --> 00:10:20,218 And that hurts to love somebody so much 253 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,387 And her not being here anymore. 254 00:10:23,923 --> 00:10:25,757 So going to the day of, 255 00:10:25,825 --> 00:10:30,094 You had spoke to her at about 5:13 p.M. 256 00:10:30,096 --> 00:10:32,330 She was letting me know that we were going to dinner with ken. 257 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:35,500 She let me know that she was going to stop by terry's house 258 00:10:35,568 --> 00:10:38,502 On the way home. I remember her saying 259 00:10:38,504 --> 00:10:40,671 That she needed to help him with something. 260 00:10:40,673 --> 00:10:43,541 So, how often did your mom go around terry? 261 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:46,210 I don't know how often, because honestly, she wouldn't tell me 262 00:10:46,212 --> 00:10:48,712 All the time 'cause she didn't want to hear it from me. 263 00:10:48,714 --> 00:10:51,516 - You would have told her... - I didn't want him around. 264 00:10:51,584 --> 00:10:55,119 I had a huge problem with terry, and she knew that. 265 00:10:55,121 --> 00:10:58,022 He would be forceful with her 266 00:10:58,090 --> 00:11:00,492 To let her know that he could be in control. 267 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:02,693 So I was uncomfortable with him. 268 00:11:02,763 --> 00:11:05,696 I would say maybe three weeks, maybe after, 269 00:11:05,766 --> 00:11:09,233 I went by terry's house and he said, 270 00:11:09,302 --> 00:11:12,804 "how do you think I felt when I found out that I gave her $500 271 00:11:12,872 --> 00:11:15,740 And she went with another man to mexico?" 272 00:11:15,808 --> 00:11:18,309 Who did terry think your mom went on the trip with? 273 00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:19,977 Women from work going. 274 00:11:20,046 --> 00:11:21,779 But definitely not like a couple's trip? 275 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:23,982 No. No, not at all. 276 00:11:24,050 --> 00:11:26,084 Siegler: It seems like kim told terry 277 00:11:26,152 --> 00:11:28,787 That she was gonna go to mexico with some girlfriends, 278 00:11:28,789 --> 00:11:30,188 But it was with her new boyfriend, 279 00:11:30,256 --> 00:11:31,956 Not with a bunch of girlfriends. 280 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:34,292 And terry gave her some money for that trip. 281 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,094 So he's not very happy 282 00:11:36,162 --> 00:11:38,729 When he finds out about kim going on that trip. 283 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,398 - Thank you so much. - It was very nice to meet you. 284 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:41,799 One of the questions that we have 285 00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:44,035 Is whether or not terry knew all this 286 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,337 The day that kim last stopped by his house. 287 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:47,906 If we could get the answer to that, 288 00:11:47,974 --> 00:11:51,008 That would go a long way in determining if terry played 289 00:11:51,077 --> 00:11:54,079 Any part in what happened to kim when she disappeared that day. 290 00:11:54,346 --> 00:12:06,857 Everybody seems to have good things to say about ken, 291 00:12:06,927 --> 00:12:08,793 So I'm excited to meet him, 292 00:12:08,862 --> 00:12:11,362 And hopefully he can have some good insight as well. 293 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:12,964 Abbondandolo: At the time 294 00:12:13,032 --> 00:12:15,900 Of kimberly langwell's disappearance back in 1999, 295 00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:17,702 Her boss, frank mccormick, 296 00:12:17,770 --> 00:12:19,837 And her ex-boyfriend, terry rose, 297 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:22,106 Were both romantically interested in her. 298 00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:24,242 - Are you ken weatherford? - I'm ken. 299 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:26,010 Abbondandolo: She also had a new relationship 300 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,945 With ken weatherford that was getting serious 301 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,648 To the point that they took a trip to mexico together. 302 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:32,584 We wanna see if ken knows anything else 303 00:12:32,652 --> 00:12:35,386 About the other man in kim's life at that time. 304 00:12:35,455 --> 00:12:38,623 We worked together. She was up front in the offices. 305 00:12:38,691 --> 00:12:41,025 I worked in maintenance down in the field. 306 00:12:41,094 --> 00:12:42,293 Wilson: So how long were y'all dating 307 00:12:42,362 --> 00:12:44,962 Up until the time that she disappeared? 308 00:12:45,031 --> 00:12:47,065 I would say three months of dating. 309 00:12:47,133 --> 00:12:49,300 We took a trip to cancun together. 310 00:12:49,302 --> 00:12:51,169 As a matter of fact, we just got back from cancun 311 00:12:51,237 --> 00:12:52,937 When all this happened. 312 00:12:53,005 --> 00:12:57,241 She wore a t-shirt with "cancun" on it and all that for Friday. 313 00:12:57,243 --> 00:12:59,543 She was something else. 314 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:02,246 Can you take us back to July 9th of '99? 315 00:13:02,315 --> 00:13:04,282 So when I got there, she never showed. 316 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:06,417 Tiffani was there. So it was just tiffani and I. 317 00:13:06,486 --> 00:13:08,319 And then getting a little worried. 318 00:13:08,388 --> 00:13:10,621 We started calling around. Really wasn't unlike her 319 00:13:10,623 --> 00:13:12,456 To at least check in with tiffani. 320 00:13:12,525 --> 00:13:15,894 When I got home at night, I sat out on the porch here. 321 00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:18,762 Just worried sick. And so with me running around 322 00:13:18,832 --> 00:13:20,565 Or going by places, 323 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:23,801 I saw her car in that shopping center. 324 00:13:23,869 --> 00:13:25,269 Abbondandolo: And what did you think at that point? 325 00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:26,937 I was worried. 326 00:13:26,939 --> 00:13:28,873 The reason being, it was somebody that she'd 327 00:13:28,942 --> 00:13:30,708 Been involved with that always worried me. 328 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:32,443 - Yeah. - And so... 329 00:13:32,512 --> 00:13:33,677 - Was that... - Yeah. 330 00:13:33,747 --> 00:13:35,279 - Terry? - Terry. 331 00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:37,081 I did not know that she was going 332 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,050 By his place that afternoon. 333 00:13:39,118 --> 00:13:41,152 I found that out later. 334 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:44,188 Abbondandolo: What did she tell you directly about him? 335 00:13:44,257 --> 00:13:46,324 That he was a-- 336 00:13:46,392 --> 00:13:48,393 - A jealous type person. - Okay. 337 00:13:48,395 --> 00:13:50,094 She didn't wanna be around him anymore. 338 00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:52,496 - She had told me that. - Did you find out later 339 00:13:52,498 --> 00:13:54,832 If she was dating anyone else romantically? 340 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,068 No. 341 00:13:57,136 --> 00:14:00,271 I know that her boss, frank mccormick, he liked her, 342 00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:01,739 You know, but he was married. 343 00:14:01,807 --> 00:14:03,607 Wilson: What do you remember about frank? 344 00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:05,677 - He didn't like me seeing her. - Probably not. Yeah. 345 00:14:05,745 --> 00:14:08,479 Yeah. And I come out of her house one night, 346 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:11,983 And he was actually on the street, parked over there. 347 00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:14,218 - Yeah. - 'cause he saw my truck there. 348 00:14:14,286 --> 00:14:15,553 Abbondandolo: Well, thanks for your time, sir. 349 00:14:15,621 --> 00:14:17,221 - You bet. - Have a good rest of your day. 350 00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:18,890 Y'all take care. 351 00:14:18,958 --> 00:14:20,958 Abbondandolo: Ken had some concerns about terry 352 00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,760 And the stalker-like behavior for frank. 353 00:14:22,829 --> 00:14:25,529 I really felt for ken. He was a believable guy. 354 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:27,498 He really cared a great deal about kim. 355 00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:29,267 In fact, he remembers 356 00:14:29,335 --> 00:14:31,335 That she was wearing a shirt from mexico 357 00:14:31,404 --> 00:14:33,337 On the day that she disappeared. 358 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:34,739 It was clear to me that ken wanted 359 00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:37,208 To develop a life with kim, and unfortunately, 360 00:14:37,277 --> 00:14:39,377 It was abruptly and sadly taken away from him. 361 00:14:39,445 --> 00:14:40,879 [line ringing] 362 00:14:42,348 --> 00:14:43,748 Woman: Hello. 363 00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:46,150 I'm one of the detectives investigating 364 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:49,020 The kimberly langwell's disappearance back in 1999. 365 00:14:49,088 --> 00:14:50,922 Do you remember that? 366 00:14:54,126 --> 00:14:56,560 If we're gonna figure out what happened to kim, 367 00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:59,363 We need to learn everything we can about the intimate 368 00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:02,466 Details of her relationships with all the men in her life. 369 00:15:02,468 --> 00:15:04,368 And who better is there to talk to about that 370 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:06,270 Than kim's closest girlfriends? 371 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,740 And tell me about what she confided in you 372 00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:11,342 About the people that she went out with. 373 00:15:18,385 --> 00:15:19,183 Siegler: Okay. 374 00:15:28,828 --> 00:15:29,694 Tamayo: Right. 375 00:15:35,735 --> 00:15:37,402 Siegler: That's good. 376 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:46,610 Her office was right across the hall with mine, 377 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:49,180 And we go out sometimes, go out for lunch. 378 00:15:49,248 --> 00:15:50,448 Did she have a lot of boyfriends? 379 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:51,815 Were people coming in and out of her-- 380 00:15:51,817 --> 00:15:53,451 - No. - No. 381 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:55,085 Men liked her. You've seen her pictures. 382 00:15:55,155 --> 00:15:56,620 - I have, yes. - Okay. 383 00:15:56,622 --> 00:15:59,357 She's very friendly. She was fun to be around. 384 00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:01,625 At the time, she was dating ken weatherford. 385 00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:03,895 There was even something going around 386 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,763 That she was engaged to ken. 387 00:16:05,831 --> 00:16:07,264 She wore some kind of ring. 388 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:08,699 Wilson: Did she wear it on her left hand? 389 00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:10,101 - Yeah. - Okay. 390 00:16:10,169 --> 00:16:11,435 Okay. You remember if she was wearing it 391 00:16:11,504 --> 00:16:12,670 On July 9th, by any chance? 392 00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:14,372 - No, I don't remember that. - Okay. 393 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,307 Abbondandolo: We heard that kim was wearing her mexico shirt 394 00:16:16,376 --> 00:16:17,709 On the day she went missing, 395 00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:19,577 And now we're thinking she may have been wearing 396 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:21,745 A faux engagement ring. 397 00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:24,181 Is it possible she went to terry's 398 00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:26,818 And inadvertently flaunted her new relationship? 399 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:28,486 My only other concern 400 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,122 That we did have an engineer that she worked for. 401 00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:33,791 Kind of on the strange side. 402 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:36,227 Frank mccormick? 403 00:16:36,295 --> 00:16:39,663 What was strange about him? What do you remember about him? 404 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:41,065 He was kind of obsessed with her. 405 00:16:41,134 --> 00:16:42,800 Mm-hmm. 406 00:16:42,868 --> 00:16:44,635 But he was supposed to be a happily married man. 407 00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:46,437 Abbondandolo: Did frank ever write her letters or send 408 00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:48,472 Her letters or anything like that? 409 00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:50,408 You ever seen any of them, or how did you know about 'em? 410 00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:52,643 Mm-hmm. He showed me. 411 00:16:52,645 --> 00:16:55,346 As far as I was concerned, it was creepy. 412 00:16:55,414 --> 00:16:57,348 Was this after she disappeared or before? 413 00:16:57,417 --> 00:16:59,049 - Yes. - Everything was after? 414 00:16:59,119 --> 00:17:01,319 No. I didn't know any of this before it happened 415 00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:03,020 Until he pulled me in the office 416 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,956 And wanted to talk to me about this 417 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:07,892 Because he felt like he was protecting his back, I guess. 418 00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:11,729 I don't know. You know? "come on, you're my boss. 419 00:17:11,797 --> 00:17:13,998 Do you really wanna talk to me about this?" 420 00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:15,366 Abbondandolo: It's odd 421 00:17:15,434 --> 00:17:17,335 That frank would show off these letters. 422 00:17:17,403 --> 00:17:18,702 Maybe it was that he was trying 423 00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:20,705 To get ahead of this investigation, 424 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:22,874 Or maybe he simply felt bad about his crush. 425 00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:25,509 Whatever the reason, we're gonna need to analyze them. 426 00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:27,645 Women that have gotten that personality 427 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,713 And just that way about them 428 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:33,584 That attract a lot of attention, it does make it tougher, 429 00:17:33,652 --> 00:17:35,319 Because then you have all these complications. 430 00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:36,187 Wilson: Yeah. 431 00:17:49,902 --> 00:17:52,470 In anticipation of y'all's interview 432 00:17:52,538 --> 00:17:55,339 With frank mccormick, let's talk about his letters, 433 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:56,507 Because we haven't done that yet. 434 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,477 Kimberly langwell disappeared in 1999. 435 00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:02,113 But before that happened, she gave a stack of love letters 436 00:18:02,181 --> 00:18:04,715 That she had received from our suspect, 437 00:18:04,717 --> 00:18:07,785 Frank mccormick, to one of her girlfriends for safekeeping. 438 00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:10,220 These are the letters from the stalker. 439 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:12,590 It's time that we hear about frank's obsession 440 00:18:12,658 --> 00:18:15,059 With kim in his own words. 441 00:18:15,128 --> 00:18:16,427 What's your favorite part? 442 00:18:16,495 --> 00:18:18,429 The european vacation bribe, 443 00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:21,231 Where he said, "I can set aside $3,500 444 00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:23,835 For you and tiffani to take a trip to europe this summer." 445 00:18:23,903 --> 00:18:25,869 He says there's "no requirements to see me. 446 00:18:25,939 --> 00:18:29,340 No hugs, no kisses. I just want to see your smile." 447 00:18:29,408 --> 00:18:32,510 "I have a file on my desk that must have over 100 pages 448 00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:35,379 I've written to you about how I feel." 449 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,648 "I made the mistake of telling you that I loved you. 450 00:18:37,717 --> 00:18:40,685 Your response will be forever burned into my brain. 451 00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:43,387 You don't love me. You don't want to love me." 452 00:18:43,389 --> 00:18:45,656 "when I said I loved you, I was sincere. 453 00:18:45,725 --> 00:18:47,591 You stirred some feelings inside me 454 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:50,461 That I have never felt with such power before. 455 00:18:50,529 --> 00:18:53,364 I need you to save me from the state I am in. 456 00:18:53,432 --> 00:18:55,799 Allow me to regain my sanity in my life. 457 00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:57,768 I would quit driving by your house 458 00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:59,103 20 to 30 times a week." 459 00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:00,938 That's a hardcore stalker. 460 00:19:01,007 --> 00:19:03,007 Does he know you have these letters? 461 00:19:03,075 --> 00:19:04,809 - I don't--I don't know. - I think if he did, 462 00:19:04,877 --> 00:19:06,343 He wouldn't be showing up today. 463 00:19:06,412 --> 00:19:08,446 Abbondandolo: I'm very interested in seeing 464 00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:11,782 What kim's boss, frank, has to say about these letters. 465 00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:13,717 Frank had somewhat of an alibi that night. 466 00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:15,219 He gave the police a receipt 467 00:19:15,288 --> 00:19:18,221 That showed him at a grocery store at 6:56 p.M. 468 00:19:18,223 --> 00:19:20,491 And then later, he hosted a poker game. 469 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:22,159 But he was clearly obsessed with kim. 470 00:19:22,228 --> 00:19:24,027 Based on my experience, 471 00:19:24,029 --> 00:19:25,796 Feelings like that can often lead to violence. 472 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:31,235 - Frank? - Yes, I'm frank. 473 00:19:31,237 --> 00:19:33,470 - Detective wilson. - How do you do? 474 00:19:33,539 --> 00:19:34,438 Nice to meet you. I appreciate you coming in today. 475 00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:35,940 - You just got off work? - Yeah. 476 00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:38,442 You can just kind of go into how you knew kimberly, 477 00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:40,344 Kind of y'all's relationship and stuff like that. 478 00:19:40,412 --> 00:19:43,247 She was my administrative assistant. 479 00:19:43,315 --> 00:19:45,182 And how was your relationship with her? 480 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:48,218 Did y'all chat a lot or... 481 00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:50,688 Mccormick: I'd say a fair amount. 482 00:19:50,756 --> 00:19:52,857 I did the floor in her house. 483 00:19:52,925 --> 00:19:55,559 I know kind of in your original statement, 484 00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:56,794 You had said that you had, like, 485 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:59,196 A little crush on kimberly and stuff. 486 00:19:59,265 --> 00:20:00,430 Ah, maybe a little. 487 00:20:00,432 --> 00:20:04,535 She was a sweet girl. 488 00:20:04,604 --> 00:20:07,004 You know. She was very attractive. 489 00:20:07,072 --> 00:20:09,072 Did she ever flirt with you at work and stuff like that or... 490 00:20:09,142 --> 00:20:10,374 Yeah. 491 00:20:10,442 --> 00:20:11,809 Did you think she was interested? 492 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:16,179 I'd have been, but it would have... 493 00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:18,849 Upset too much of my life. 494 00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:21,351 Wilson: It was just kind of a crush from afar, I guess. 495 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:24,021 Maybe just a physical attraction type thing or... 496 00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:25,589 - Yeah. - What about some 497 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:27,190 Of the letters that you had written kim 498 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:29,026 And stuff over the years? 499 00:20:29,094 --> 00:20:31,195 [exhales] 500 00:20:31,263 --> 00:20:35,632 I think there was one about the french ticket thing. 501 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:39,036 Um, that's pretty stupid of me, probably, 502 00:20:39,104 --> 00:20:41,605 But I flew to France all the time. 503 00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:43,273 Mm-hmm. 504 00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:45,342 And I told her if she wanted to take tiffani, 505 00:20:45,344 --> 00:20:48,111 If I had enough frequent flyer miles, I'd get her a ticket. 506 00:20:48,113 --> 00:20:50,614 Wilson: Look, and we know there was a lot of letters. 507 00:20:50,616 --> 00:20:53,985 We have some of 'em. We've read through some of 'em. 508 00:20:54,053 --> 00:20:55,853 And so we know kind of 509 00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,855 The feelings you were expressing towards her and stuff like that. 510 00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,657 So we know there's more than just the one 511 00:20:59,725 --> 00:21:01,525 About the european vacation. 512 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,127 So, I mean, it's kind of out in the open. 513 00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:07,731 I'll be honest with you. I don't remember any more than that. 514 00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:09,132 Wilson: You don't recall? 515 00:21:09,134 --> 00:21:11,335 Siegler: Frank is noticeably uncomfortable. 516 00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:14,137 It's hard to know if he's uncomfortable 517 00:21:14,139 --> 00:21:15,773 Because he's been confronted 518 00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:17,808 With these very inappropriate letters 519 00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:20,745 Or if there's something more sinister at play here. 520 00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:22,780 You can even tell from the letters that she's not 521 00:21:22,848 --> 00:21:27,151 Really receptive of, I guess, what you're feeling towards her. 522 00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:30,921 Did you think that y'all were gonna maybe be together one day? 523 00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:34,958 No, it was just an emotion. 524 00:21:35,027 --> 00:21:38,162 Yeah. I mean, you admit to driving in front of her house 525 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:39,597 30 times a week. 526 00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:41,332 You don't remember going by her house? 527 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:46,036 I went over there several times to do stuff. 528 00:21:46,105 --> 00:21:47,571 But you don't remember just driving by 529 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,807 Just unannounced or uninvited or... 530 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:51,675 I'll be honest. I don't. 531 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:54,812 What we're trying to determine, are you the type of person 532 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,449 That when the advances and the desires that you had 533 00:21:58,517 --> 00:22:01,585 Were not met, did you walk away? 534 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:06,924 Or do you do something else out of anger, rage, jealousy? 535 00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:10,193 All the things that we know in murder cases lead people 536 00:22:10,263 --> 00:22:13,464 To make mistakes when they experience those emotions. 537 00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,532 Would you ever harm kim? 538 00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:16,700 No. 539 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,469 - Did you harm kim? - No. 540 00:22:18,537 --> 00:22:20,203 Do you know where kim is at today? 541 00:22:20,273 --> 00:22:21,472 No. 542 00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:24,041 - Did you kill kim? - No. 543 00:22:24,109 --> 00:22:26,343 I have to ask you these questions. 544 00:22:26,412 --> 00:22:29,079 - No. - And do you remember 545 00:22:29,148 --> 00:22:30,815 Where you went that day after work 546 00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:34,618 Or what you did that evening of July 9th? 547 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:38,489 I believe my wife had called me and asked me to stop off 548 00:22:38,557 --> 00:22:41,892 At the grocery store on the way home. 549 00:22:41,961 --> 00:22:48,131 And I found the receipt at the grocery store, 550 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,666 Which was timestamped. 551 00:22:49,735 --> 00:22:51,802 You remember anything about a poker game? 552 00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:55,206 Maybe. Is that what I said last time? 553 00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:57,274 Yeah. That's why you had stopped at the store, 554 00:22:57,342 --> 00:22:59,042 To get some chips and stuff. 555 00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:01,612 - Ah. Okay, that makes sense. - All right, sir. 556 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,782 Well, we'll walk you out to your vehicle and get you home. 557 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:08,886 Abbondandolo: He had a documented crush on our victim. 558 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:10,788 We gave him the opportunity to talk about it. 559 00:23:10,856 --> 00:23:13,290 I think his emotional response was odd, 560 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,192 But there was nothing that came from the interview 561 00:23:15,261 --> 00:23:18,061 That led me to believe that he had 562 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:19,830 Any part in her disappearance. 563 00:23:19,899 --> 00:23:22,065 But we still have a lot more work to do. 564 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,501 And next up is examining how kim's car 565 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:26,771 Ended up abandoned in that parking lot. 566 00:23:38,749 --> 00:23:41,485 Let's go to terry's house first, 567 00:23:41,553 --> 00:23:43,821 And then that way we can get a pretty good read 568 00:23:43,889 --> 00:23:45,455 On how far it would have taken 569 00:23:45,457 --> 00:23:46,990 To get to that eckerd's parking lot. 570 00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:48,692 Go check it out. 571 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:51,261 Siegler: The details of kimberly's disappearance 572 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:53,797 Are still unclear, but we do know that her car 573 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:55,565 Ended up in that eckerd's parking lot. 574 00:23:55,635 --> 00:24:00,070 If we can connect her abductor to the location of her car, 575 00:24:00,139 --> 00:24:01,939 That could maybe help us solve the case. 576 00:24:02,007 --> 00:24:05,909 So what we need to do is retrace kim's steps that night, 577 00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:08,512 Starting with the place we know that she was last seen alive, 578 00:24:08,581 --> 00:24:10,548 At terry rose's house. 579 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:12,315 This is the house right here. 580 00:24:12,317 --> 00:24:14,451 Yes. Terry rose's house. 581 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:15,819 This was where terry's wrecker yard was. 582 00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:17,588 So when those guys left that day, 583 00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:19,322 The other wrecker drivers, 584 00:24:19,392 --> 00:24:21,658 It's real easy to see what's going on with the car situation. 585 00:24:21,727 --> 00:24:24,161 They would have probably been pulling out and saw kim's car. 586 00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:26,463 Abbondandolo: An employee of terry's wrecker service 587 00:24:26,531 --> 00:24:28,698 Told police he saw kim's car parked 588 00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:30,834 At the property at about 5:50 p.M. 589 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,470 And by 6:20 p.M., the car was gone. 590 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,739 And all of this lines up with terry's story. 591 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,474 If he did something, he would have to do it 592 00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:39,476 Without them seeing, 593 00:24:39,545 --> 00:24:42,512 Which, even though it's very close, it's certainly doable. 594 00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:45,682 If terry killed kim in his home, he would need to get rid 595 00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:47,885 Of that car quickly to avoid suspicion. 596 00:24:47,953 --> 00:24:49,853 As an experienced wrecker driver, 597 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:51,688 Terry would have access to a tow truck, 598 00:24:51,757 --> 00:24:53,790 The skills to hook up a car quickly 599 00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:56,527 And transport it inconspicuously the short distance 600 00:24:56,595 --> 00:24:59,496 To the eckerd's shopping center parking lot. 601 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,099 So she's in this spot right here. 602 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:02,867 Right. 603 00:25:05,137 --> 00:25:06,870 So, what are the reasons 604 00:25:06,872 --> 00:25:08,939 Why kim's car could have been here legitimately? 605 00:25:09,008 --> 00:25:10,874 If she were shopping at eckerd. 606 00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:12,810 But we know that she had spoken to her daughter, 607 00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:14,645 And she never indicated that she needed to make 608 00:25:14,713 --> 00:25:16,647 Any other stops before coming home, 609 00:25:16,715 --> 00:25:18,015 Except for terry's house. 610 00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:19,883 And all the cameras around her were checked, 611 00:25:19,885 --> 00:25:21,118 And nothing turned up. 612 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:23,720 Right. The eckerd's video system was checked, 613 00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:27,458 And they never recognized kim coming in and out of the store. 614 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,860 So we know she never made it into eckerd's. 615 00:25:29,928 --> 00:25:31,529 Kim had no reason to be here. 616 00:25:31,597 --> 00:25:33,697 If we're considering the possibility 617 00:25:33,766 --> 00:25:35,666 That kim was abducted by a stranger, 618 00:25:35,734 --> 00:25:37,968 There are some things that don't add up. 619 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:39,503 We don't have any evidence 620 00:25:39,571 --> 00:25:42,005 That she ever actually went inside the eckerd's. 621 00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:44,775 She did not tell anybody she was making a stop. 622 00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:47,010 And when you look at the map closely, 623 00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:49,346 This is not even on her normal ride home. 624 00:25:49,414 --> 00:25:51,114 Putting all that together, 625 00:25:51,116 --> 00:25:54,718 We can eliminate the theory that kim drove herself here 626 00:25:54,786 --> 00:25:57,487 And was abducted by an unknown stranger. 627 00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,890 Which leads us back to the theory 628 00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:03,927 That terry transported her car here with his wrecker. 629 00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:07,898 If you're a wrecker driver and you're pulling kim's car, 630 00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:10,401 Does he get out, or is it that you don't even have to get out? 631 00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:11,635 I think it's a kind you don't have to get out, 632 00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:12,769 That he just drops it. 633 00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:14,437 Your one witness is deceased now 634 00:26:14,439 --> 00:26:16,073 Says you saw terry here. 635 00:26:16,141 --> 00:26:17,341 - Right. - Right. 636 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:19,643 Back in 1999, 637 00:26:19,711 --> 00:26:22,312 There was a witness who came forward who claimed 638 00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:24,581 That she saw terry's wrecker in the parking lot 639 00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:26,783 Around 6:45 p.M. 640 00:26:26,852 --> 00:26:29,920 Unfortunately, that witness has now passed away, 641 00:26:29,989 --> 00:26:32,590 Which makes that statement inadmissible. 642 00:26:32,658 --> 00:26:35,960 But this witness puts terry in the parking lot 643 00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:38,896 Around the time we believe kim went missing. 644 00:26:38,964 --> 00:26:43,366 He had several hours, anytime between 6 p.M. And 9:30 p.M. 645 00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,202 Of him at the pool hall. 646 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,569 Abbondandolo: Terry really didn't have an alibi 647 00:26:46,571 --> 00:26:48,405 That the police could verify. 648 00:26:48,473 --> 00:26:51,074 He said he was home alone until about 9:30 p.M. 649 00:26:51,076 --> 00:26:52,409 And then he went to a local pool hall, 650 00:26:52,478 --> 00:26:53,810 The corner pocket. 651 00:26:53,879 --> 00:26:55,378 That corner pocket was where back then? 652 00:26:55,448 --> 00:26:56,914 It's around the corner. 653 00:26:56,982 --> 00:26:59,149 What are the odds, right? 654 00:26:59,151 --> 00:27:01,018 Terry decides to play pool on the night 655 00:27:01,086 --> 00:27:03,620 Of kim's disappearance, and of all places, 656 00:27:03,688 --> 00:27:06,023 He ends up in the same shopping center parking lot 657 00:27:06,091 --> 00:27:07,891 As where kim's abandoned car is found. 658 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,293 I just don't believe it. 659 00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:11,562 If terry did move her car there, 660 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:13,163 It gives him a perfect opportunity 661 00:27:13,232 --> 00:27:16,333 To keep an eye on the car for when the police find it. 662 00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:18,668 If terry's not the one responsible for this, 663 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:20,504 That's one hell of a coincidence. 664 00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:24,975 So, what are the chances that his former girlfriend's car 665 00:27:25,043 --> 00:27:28,311 Ends up here that night he ends up here? 666 00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:31,415 - All in the same night? No way. - Wow. 667 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,820 Siegler: While we're connecting the dots pretty well 668 00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,690 That terry did have the opportunity to kill kim, 669 00:27:39,758 --> 00:27:42,760 We still wanna learn more about a potential motive. 670 00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,828 - Ingrid? - Yes, sir. 671 00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:47,297 Good morning. How you doing? 672 00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:50,000 Kim was close to her childhood friend ingrid dunn 673 00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:51,368 And to her mom, esther. 674 00:27:51,436 --> 00:27:53,136 She actually lived with them for a time 675 00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:54,404 When she was in high school. 676 00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,873 We're hoping that she opened up to them 677 00:27:56,942 --> 00:27:59,710 About how terry acted after they broke up. 678 00:27:59,778 --> 00:28:03,346 The terry situation. Yeah, I knew about that. 679 00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:07,484 He seemed to be a very nice guy. But then as time went on, 680 00:28:07,553 --> 00:28:10,154 He just started getting kind of crazy, possessive. 681 00:28:10,222 --> 00:28:13,724 It was just kind of a toxic relationship. 682 00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:15,358 You know, she finally had enough. 683 00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:18,128 She knew it was time to go, 684 00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:20,597 So she kind of started moving forward with her life. 685 00:28:20,665 --> 00:28:23,233 She seemed happy, but she was dating someone else, 686 00:28:23,302 --> 00:28:25,068 And it got serious. 687 00:28:25,136 --> 00:28:27,971 But terry was still kind of, you know, 688 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,240 Calling her all the time, badgering her, 689 00:28:30,309 --> 00:28:31,775 Wanting to get her back. 690 00:28:31,844 --> 00:28:33,276 "baby, I love you. 691 00:28:33,345 --> 00:28:34,945 Will you see me? Can I come talk to you?" 692 00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:37,214 She'd just say, "he's still following me around. 693 00:28:37,282 --> 00:28:38,882 He's still threatening me." 694 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:40,350 Siegler: What do you think kim was thinking 695 00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:41,851 As far as her relationship with terry 696 00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:43,687 In those last couple of months? 697 00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:45,589 Keep it calm and friendly. 698 00:28:45,657 --> 00:28:47,924 Things will calm down, and he will go away. 699 00:28:47,993 --> 00:28:50,360 She was running from somebody that wouldn't leave her alone. 700 00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:52,829 I just can't even imagine the fear 701 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:56,933 That was going on in her mind when all that was going on. 702 00:28:57,002 --> 00:29:00,037 I've seen this so many times where you have 703 00:29:00,105 --> 00:29:03,373 A woman is with an obsessive, possessive, jealous man 704 00:29:03,442 --> 00:29:06,309 And tries to keep him happy by going along, 705 00:29:06,378 --> 00:29:09,246 By pacifying him, by agreeing to whatever he wants, 706 00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:10,980 Thinking that it'll all just go away. 707 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:14,017 It never happens. They don't go away. It keeps on. 708 00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:17,187 It gets worse, and it ends terribly. 709 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,526 Kimberly, in a sense, 710 00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:25,094 Would have been like a daughter to you. 711 00:29:25,096 --> 00:29:27,597 Absolutely. She was a wonderful person. 712 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,968 She was funny. She was happy. She was crazy and stupid. 713 00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:33,136 She was just my girl. I loved her. 714 00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:35,272 She ended up meeting terry. 715 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,642 And as time went along, he was controlling. 716 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:40,477 He was just constantly possessive. 717 00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,345 When she would try to leave, 718 00:29:42,414 --> 00:29:44,181 And she tried to leave several times, 719 00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:47,150 It was like, against the door. Can't go. Here we go. 720 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:48,952 He told her all the time, "if you ever leave me 721 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:50,787 For anybody else, I'll kill you." 722 00:29:50,856 --> 00:29:53,423 - Who did you hear that from? - I heard that from kim. 723 00:29:53,492 --> 00:29:54,858 One day she told me--she said 724 00:29:54,926 --> 00:29:56,993 The night before he had tried to strangle her. 725 00:29:57,062 --> 00:29:59,763 And she said, "I thought I was gonna die." 726 00:29:59,831 --> 00:30:01,298 And she couldn't have fought her way out of it. 727 00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:04,000 He just decided to let go. 728 00:30:04,069 --> 00:30:05,435 She said, "I blacked out and I came back." 729 00:30:05,437 --> 00:30:07,204 She was scared to death. 730 00:30:07,272 --> 00:30:09,206 Siegler: Esther is recounting a story 731 00:30:09,274 --> 00:30:11,108 Right out of the mouth of kim, 732 00:30:11,176 --> 00:30:13,943 Where kim is in fear for her life 733 00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,112 As terry is strangling her. 734 00:30:16,181 --> 00:30:18,982 Pushed her down on the bed, and he continued to strangle her. 735 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:22,486 Siegler: If terry killed kim, this might be our best clue 736 00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:25,923 As to how he did it and possibly explain 737 00:30:25,925 --> 00:30:28,291 Why there was no blood found in terry's house 738 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,160 When the police department searched it 739 00:30:30,228 --> 00:30:31,728 After kim disappeared. 740 00:30:31,796 --> 00:30:33,496 She called me and she said, "I'm going to terry's." 741 00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:35,031 I said, "kimberly, do not go to terry's." 742 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,334 - Is this that last time? - Mm-hmm. 743 00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:39,502 And she said, "he called me and told me 744 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,938 There was jewelry there and that come by and pick it up." 745 00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:43,940 I said, "please don't go. 746 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,443 Whatever it is, I'll buy it for you. I'll replace it." 747 00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,878 "no, it's okay. He hadn't done anything in a few months." 748 00:30:48,948 --> 00:30:52,182 I said, "kim, he's gonna hurt you. He's gonna hurt you." 749 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:55,986 As far as she knows, terry doesn't know yet about ken? 750 00:30:56,054 --> 00:30:57,320 I think he knew. 751 00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:59,022 - You do? Okay. - Mm-hmm. 752 00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,057 They'd just gone to cancun and come back. 753 00:31:01,126 --> 00:31:02,993 Siegler: What do you think terry would do 754 00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:06,563 If he found out about a new man that's this serious? 755 00:31:06,631 --> 00:31:08,765 He's not gonna let her go. 756 00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:11,801 Esther is shedding a whole new light 757 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,804 On kim's final visit to terry's house. 758 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,739 We've already learned that terry found out 759 00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:18,875 About her mexico trip with ken. 760 00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:22,012 She's wearing the t-shirt, possibly an engagement ring, 761 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,982 And now we're hearing that she's collecting her belongings. 762 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,850 It sounds like the perfect storm signaling to terry 763 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,853 That kim might have moved on, 764 00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:32,322 And that may have pushed him over the edge. 765 00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:34,591 It's okay. 766 00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:02,552 So, if I'm gonna talk to a crook, 767 00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:04,788 Like a real crook, I always wear a white shirt. 768 00:32:04,856 --> 00:32:07,790 I'm a believer in it. I have anecdotal evidence 769 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,726 That proves if I wear a white shirt, 770 00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:11,394 I do better than a colored shirt. 771 00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:12,662 - A colored shirt? - Yep. 772 00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:15,598 Never heard of that, but I like it. 773 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,367 Think terry rose is gonna talk? 774 00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:18,702 I think he will. 775 00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:20,570 Because he's got one of those 776 00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:23,006 "I wanna have the last say on everything." 777 00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:24,074 I hope so. 778 00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:26,242 We're gonna go talk our suspect, 779 00:32:26,311 --> 00:32:28,912 Kim's ex-boyfriend, terry rose. 780 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:31,948 He hasn't really talked to law enforcement in over 20 years. 781 00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:33,649 I don't hold out a lot of hope 782 00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,551 That he's gonna talk a whole lot today. 783 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,320 But we are hoping that maybe we can get 784 00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:39,222 Some little inconsistencies in him 785 00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:40,624 That might help us strengthen the case. 786 00:32:41,826 --> 00:32:43,660 [knocking] 787 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:49,399 [knocking] 788 00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,134 Wilson: Hello. Anybody home? 789 00:32:51,202 --> 00:32:53,703 We know you're in there. We just wanna talk for a minute. 790 00:32:53,705 --> 00:32:57,474 We're not going away, so you might come to the door. 791 00:32:57,542 --> 00:32:59,142 Wanna walk just around to the side? 792 00:32:59,211 --> 00:33:02,112 - Yeah. - I bet that's him. 793 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:03,947 Hey, terry. Can we talk to you for a minute? 794 00:33:06,384 --> 00:33:07,818 Abbondandolo: Terry's trying to leave through a gate 795 00:33:07,886 --> 00:33:09,619 On the other end of the property. 796 00:33:09,621 --> 00:33:12,255 Maybe he's trying to dodge us, but we're gonna cut him off. 797 00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:15,859 Check him out in that old piece of ... Truck. 798 00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:18,795 - Hi. Are you terry? - I'm terry. 799 00:33:18,863 --> 00:33:20,497 Any chance we could talk to you for a minute? 800 00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:22,499 I'm gonna back up. Y'all can go in. 801 00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:23,834 Thank you. 802 00:33:26,972 --> 00:33:28,839 Yeah. 803 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,041 I'm heather wilson. I work for beaumont pd. 804 00:33:32,043 --> 00:33:35,612 My name's abbey. I'm a retired homicide detective from houston. 805 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,013 And I gotta be honest with you. 806 00:33:37,081 --> 00:33:39,449 I feel like you're trying to dodge us, sir. 807 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:40,950 Nope. 808 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,153 You didn't hear us knock on the door before? 809 00:33:43,221 --> 00:33:45,455 I just walked down there and walked back. 810 00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:47,023 I saw you in the yard. I called to you. 811 00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:49,125 I feel like you didn't wanna hear what I had to say. 812 00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:51,361 And then you were driving away. 813 00:33:51,429 --> 00:33:54,031 - I didn't know who you are. - I just told you my name. 814 00:33:54,099 --> 00:33:56,232 - You just did. - Yes, sir. 815 00:33:56,301 --> 00:33:57,600 What do you need? 816 00:33:57,669 --> 00:34:00,136 You had an ex-girlfriend who went missing. 817 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,872 What's your theory on what happened to her? 818 00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:03,206 What do you think? 819 00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:05,908 - I don't really know. - No? 820 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:09,179 She came to your house, and then she left on that day. 821 00:34:09,247 --> 00:34:12,081 - And... - Yeah, I guess so. 822 00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:15,218 When she left your house, was she upset? 823 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,254 - Was she happy? - No. 824 00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:19,055 Did y'all get in any kind of argument? 825 00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:21,157 No, she wasn't angry or nothing like that. 826 00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:24,294 - Were you all still together? - We broke up. 827 00:34:24,362 --> 00:34:27,764 I think she was dating somebody from work or something. 828 00:34:27,832 --> 00:34:30,433 - Do you know that guy's name? - No. 829 00:34:30,435 --> 00:34:35,105 Once we broke it off, I figured, just leave her alone. 830 00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:36,773 Yeah. 831 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,509 Do you remember why she even stopped by that day 832 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,143 If you all weren't still together? 833 00:34:41,145 --> 00:34:43,880 I think there was some stuff that she still had here... 834 00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:46,816 - Yeah. - ..And had in storage. 835 00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,285 - Called me that day. - Mm-hmm. 836 00:34:49,354 --> 00:34:52,422 Mm-hmm. What happened to the boards? 837 00:34:52,491 --> 00:34:54,925 Terry initially told the police department 838 00:34:54,993 --> 00:34:58,895 That kim came over that day to help him attach some boards. 839 00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:01,197 And now he's saying that kim came over that day 840 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:04,801 To get some things, which is what kim told esther. 841 00:35:04,869 --> 00:35:06,903 Did he forget his original story? 842 00:35:06,971 --> 00:35:10,406 - You helped her out a lot. - Yeah, I did. 843 00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:12,108 Did you give her 500 bucks so she could go 844 00:35:12,177 --> 00:35:14,010 On a trip to cozumel or wherever she went? 845 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,113 - No. - All of that's bs. 846 00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:18,047 - I've never heard of that. - You've never heard of that? 847 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,117 Cozumel? When did she go to cozumel? 848 00:35:20,185 --> 00:35:22,318 Right before she went missing. 849 00:35:22,387 --> 00:35:25,221 Wilson: About two weeks. Either cancun or cozumel. 850 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:26,989 No ... 851 00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:29,826 But even now, 24 years later, you've never heard that? 852 00:35:29,894 --> 00:35:32,929 That she had went on vacation with another guy? 853 00:35:32,998 --> 00:35:35,031 - No. - Huh. 854 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,500 Terry's saying today that he knew nothing 855 00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:39,969 About kim taking some trip to mexico. 856 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:41,504 But according to kim's sister, 857 00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:43,473 Terry not only knew about that trip, 858 00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:45,207 He was upset about that trip 859 00:35:45,209 --> 00:35:48,244 Because he's the one who gave kim money to go to mexico 860 00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:50,280 He thought with some girlfriends 861 00:35:50,348 --> 00:35:52,048 When she really went with another man. 862 00:35:52,116 --> 00:35:53,450 So, what is this? 863 00:35:53,518 --> 00:35:55,284 Just another memory lapse, I guess. 864 00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,219 Was there ever anything between you and her? 865 00:35:57,221 --> 00:35:58,221 You physical with her? 866 00:35:58,290 --> 00:36:00,189 No, no, no. I don't do that. 867 00:36:00,259 --> 00:36:02,058 Did you ever lay a hand on her? 868 00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:03,292 No. 869 00:36:03,294 --> 00:36:04,994 - Ever threaten her? - No. 870 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,896 You don't strike me as the kind of guy 871 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:08,198 That would threaten a woman. 872 00:36:08,266 --> 00:36:09,766 No. Because that's pussy. 873 00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:11,767 - Did you ever choke kim? - No. 874 00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:13,303 Never put your hands around her neck? 875 00:36:13,371 --> 00:36:14,637 - No. - Okay. 876 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,039 - Never put hands on her. - Nope. 877 00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:19,175 Any man that would do that's a pussy. 878 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,477 Siegler: From terry's own statement, 879 00:36:21,546 --> 00:36:23,379 We know that he admitted slapping kim. 880 00:36:23,448 --> 00:36:25,415 The more he talks today, 881 00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:27,383 The more he makes the case stronger. 882 00:36:27,452 --> 00:36:29,986 On that night that she went missing, 883 00:36:30,054 --> 00:36:32,689 You played pool in the same parking lot 884 00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:35,458 Where her car was found. 885 00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:37,660 That was over by the bank. 886 00:36:37,729 --> 00:36:40,263 That's about way on the other side. 887 00:36:40,331 --> 00:36:42,565 You swear to god everything you told us is the truth? 888 00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:45,635 Everything that I told you is true as far as I can remember. 889 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,203 You can listen to him talk, 890 00:36:47,272 --> 00:36:49,405 And it doesn't take you very long to realize 891 00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:52,074 That what we've been hearing all week about him 892 00:36:52,076 --> 00:36:53,810 Sounds pretty accurate. 893 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:58,348 He's not stupid. He's kind of a smart-ass. 894 00:36:58,416 --> 00:37:01,217 He's definitely defensive and cynical. 895 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,820 And the way he portrays his relationship, 896 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,322 He never laid a finger on kim. 897 00:37:06,324 --> 00:37:07,958 He never threatened kim. 898 00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:10,727 Their relationship was over in a normal way. 899 00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:13,362 It contradicts everything we've been hearing. 900 00:37:13,364 --> 00:37:14,364 It went better than I thought. 901 00:37:14,432 --> 00:37:16,266 It was the white shirt. 902 00:37:16,334 --> 00:37:18,368 - It's the white shirt. - It's the white shirt. 903 00:37:28,379 --> 00:37:30,347 How y'all doing today? 904 00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:31,648 - Morning. - Good morning. We're good. 905 00:37:31,716 --> 00:37:34,083 Siegler: While we considered the possibility 906 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,185 That an unknown suspect was responsible 907 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:39,455 For the 1999 disappearance of kimberly langwell, 908 00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:41,691 We found no evidence to support that. 909 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,027 So now it's time to determine the involvement 910 00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:46,162 Of our two remaining suspects. 911 00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:47,764 Siegler: Okay. Frank. 912 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:51,200 As suspicious as his actions were back then, 913 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,502 Driving by her house and the creepy love letters, 914 00:37:53,572 --> 00:37:55,538 I just don't see the motive there 915 00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:58,040 To ever wanna harm or do anything to kim. 916 00:37:58,109 --> 00:38:01,077 I think he was just looking for somebody to pay him attention. 917 00:38:01,145 --> 00:38:04,881 But during the interview, I didn't see any deception 918 00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:06,916 As to he was a killer or anything like that. 919 00:38:06,985 --> 00:38:08,951 Do you know where kim is at today? 920 00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:10,720 No. 921 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:12,889 - Did you kill kim? - No. 922 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:14,891 And look how cooperative he was with y'all, 923 00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,327 Today and back then, at all the risk he faced 924 00:38:17,395 --> 00:38:19,929 Of being pretty embarrassed professionally 925 00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:21,230 And with his wife. 926 00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:23,166 We didn't find any evidence 927 00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,102 That connects frank to kim or to her car. 928 00:38:26,171 --> 00:38:28,370 And the receipts that he provided 929 00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:30,573 Show us that he was buying snacks 930 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,875 Around the time that kim was abducted 931 00:38:32,944 --> 00:38:35,211 For a poker party that he later hosted. 932 00:38:35,279 --> 00:38:37,513 And those witnesses also corroborate 933 00:38:37,582 --> 00:38:39,215 What frank was doing that night. 934 00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:40,550 While he might have been downplaying 935 00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:42,152 His obsession with kim, 936 00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:44,787 That's probably because he was a married man, 937 00:38:44,789 --> 00:38:47,924 And he's embarrassed about that way more than it has anything 938 00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:49,492 To do with his involvement in a murder. 939 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,193 So, is everybody good 940 00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:52,895 With clearing frank mccormick off the suspect board? 941 00:38:52,964 --> 00:38:54,964 - Yes. - Unanimous. All right. 942 00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:57,566 We can eliminate frank once and for all. 943 00:38:57,636 --> 00:38:59,936 Okay, so all the terry points, 944 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:01,604 Laying it out to your prosecutor. 945 00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:02,972 Start with your story. 946 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:05,908 Kim and the relationship between her and terry's. 947 00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:08,377 - And what are you gonna say? - Terry's just not trusting her 948 00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:10,780 Or wanting to know who she was with. 949 00:39:16,455 --> 00:39:18,120 Driving by her house, checking in on her, 950 00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:20,056 Wanting to know what time she left work. 951 00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:22,992 "he keeps trying to call me. He's still following me around. 952 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:24,794 He's still threatening me." 953 00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:27,463 So then you're getting into the abuse, how volatile it was. 954 00:39:27,532 --> 00:39:30,400 When we talked to esther, she described to me 955 00:39:30,468 --> 00:39:33,503 How he would choke her and that he choked her one time 956 00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:34,904 To the point that she passed out. 957 00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,306 He tried to strangle her, 958 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,375 And she said, "I thought I was gonna die." 959 00:39:38,443 --> 00:39:40,710 Now he's saying, "I've never laid a finger on kim." 960 00:39:40,778 --> 00:39:42,411 Did you ever lay a hand on her? 961 00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:43,513 - No. - You never put your hands 962 00:39:43,581 --> 00:39:45,115 - Around her neck? - No. 963 00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:48,618 So, he has the greatest motive of anybody that exists, 964 00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:51,253 But he also has something that, to me, is really important. 965 00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,857 He has the trigger. She just got back from mexico. 966 00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:55,391 - Yep. - Wilson: And for him to deny 967 00:39:55,459 --> 00:39:57,660 That he even knew she went on a trip, 968 00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,029 It's like, come on, guy. 969 00:40:00,098 --> 00:40:01,497 Did you give her 500 bucks so she could go 970 00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:03,266 On a trip to cozumel or wherever she went? 971 00:40:03,334 --> 00:40:05,401 - No. - You've never heard that? 972 00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:08,438 That she had went on vacation with another guy? 973 00:40:08,506 --> 00:40:09,572 No. 974 00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:11,508 Susan says that terry told her, 975 00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:15,077 "now you know what it feels like the way I do." 976 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,379 And he said, "but how do you think I felt 977 00:40:17,381 --> 00:40:19,615 When I found out that I gave her $500 978 00:40:19,684 --> 00:40:22,485 And she went with another man to mexico 979 00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:23,853 Instead of girls from work? 980 00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:25,922 Imagine the anger 981 00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:28,324 Of when she's trying to break up with him, 982 00:40:28,393 --> 00:40:30,192 He's finding out about the trip, 983 00:40:30,262 --> 00:40:32,728 She's wearing a ring that another man gave her. 984 00:40:32,797 --> 00:40:35,064 She even told people that he had said, 985 00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,300 "if she ever leaves me, I'm killing her." 986 00:40:37,368 --> 00:40:39,202 He told her all the time, "if you ever leave me 987 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:41,103 For anybody else, I'll kill you." 988 00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:44,507 Her car that's last seen at his house 989 00:40:44,575 --> 00:40:46,876 Goes from his home to the parking lot 990 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:48,611 Where the vehicle is found, 991 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,880 And he's there at the same time. 992 00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,782 - Mm-hmm. - You can't get past that. 993 00:40:52,851 --> 00:40:56,486 So then all this at the end of your meeting 994 00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,921 With your prosecutor or prosecutors today, 995 00:40:58,990 --> 00:41:01,524 Your hope is to ask them to do what, lieutenant? 996 00:41:01,592 --> 00:41:03,860 I would ask that they present the case to the grand jury 997 00:41:03,928 --> 00:41:06,095 For an indictment on terry rose. 998 00:41:06,097 --> 00:41:08,998 I believe we have a strong case. I believe it's a winnable case. 999 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,233 - I feel very optimistic. - I feel pretty good about it. 1000 00:41:11,303 --> 00:41:12,602 - That's good. - Yeah, it is good. 1001 00:41:20,111 --> 00:41:22,778 You know, my husband, when I talk to him and my girls, 1002 00:41:22,847 --> 00:41:25,547 Whenever I'm working, they'll go, "how's the case going?? 1003 00:41:25,549 --> 00:41:28,951 And I'm always really good about staying realistic. 1004 00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:32,255 But this week I said, "it's going really great." 1005 00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:37,159 Siegler: The team here presented everything that we've learned 1006 00:41:37,228 --> 00:41:39,128 To the jefferson county district attorney's office. 1007 00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:41,698 - How are y'all? - Good to see you again. 1008 00:41:41,766 --> 00:41:45,167 And we wanna update kimberly's daughter and sister on her case. 1009 00:41:45,236 --> 00:41:47,703 We've talked to a lot of people this week, 1010 00:41:47,772 --> 00:41:50,372 And from everybody that we've talked to, 1011 00:41:50,442 --> 00:41:53,843 It painted a real clear picture that terry's the person 1012 00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:55,177 With the means and the motive to do it. 1013 00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:56,212 And that's kind of ultimately 1014 00:41:56,281 --> 00:41:58,147 What it all keeps coming back to. 1015 00:41:58,216 --> 00:42:00,349 So we met with the da's office yesterday. 1016 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:02,051 They gave us the impression 1017 00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:03,653 That they were going to push for the case 1018 00:42:03,721 --> 00:42:05,054 To move forward. 1019 00:42:05,123 --> 00:42:07,389 - That's great news. - That's great news. 1020 00:42:07,391 --> 00:42:09,325 It feels good to hear y'all say that. 1021 00:42:09,393 --> 00:42:11,727 This is the first time in 24 years 1022 00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:13,395 That somebody's looked at me and said, 1023 00:42:13,465 --> 00:42:16,599 "hey, we think that terry's responsible," 1024 00:42:16,667 --> 00:42:22,138 So that alone is a big step. 1025 00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:25,408 For somebody else from the outside to look at the case 1026 00:42:25,476 --> 00:42:28,577 And say, "hey, all the evidence leads to him," 1027 00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:30,813 It makes you feel good. 1028 00:42:30,882 --> 00:42:34,016 This doesn't change what's happened over the last 24 years. 1029 00:42:34,085 --> 00:42:37,720 It doesn't bring her back. It doesn't-- 1030 00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:39,555 It doesn't give us any more time with her. 1031 00:42:39,623 --> 00:42:41,790 But I'm happy. 1032 00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:44,694 - Thank you all very much. - You're welcome. 1033 00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:47,363 I'm glad that some people stepped up 1034 00:42:47,431 --> 00:42:48,598 And wanted to be there for my mom. 1035 00:42:48,666 --> 00:42:51,167 And the case got stronger and better. 1036 00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:59,241 And these guys have your back. They're great. 1037 00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:00,843 Thank you. 1038 00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:02,611 Siegler: Give us a hug. 1039 00:43:02,681 --> 00:43:04,380 You have some good people on your side. 1040 00:43:04,448 --> 00:43:05,447 Thank you. 1041 00:43:05,449 --> 00:43:06,849 Siegler: Tiffani has dealt 1042 00:43:06,918 --> 00:43:10,619 With so much heartache and uncertainty 1043 00:43:10,621 --> 00:43:12,288 For the last 24 years. 1044 00:43:12,356 --> 00:43:14,957 Today we can finally give her some answers 1045 00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:17,459 And tell her what we all think happened 1046 00:43:17,461 --> 00:43:20,964 And maybe finally get her closer to getting justice for her mom. 1047 00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:25,768 It's good. 1048 00:43:25,836 --> 00:43:32,709 ♪ this moment may be the only truth I need ♪ 1049 00:43:32,711 --> 00:43:37,814 ♪ put away my childhood dreams ♪ 1050 00:43:42,086 --> 00:43:46,923 ♪ oh-oh, oh ♪