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- Welcome to south carolina.
- Thank you.
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Have you ever been here before?
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- It's my first time.
- Well, you know what?
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I'm excited that you're here,
'cause to be lapd,
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Your experience, your world,
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Where you're from,
you got it going on.
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So I'm happy
we have you on this case.
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I'm happy to be here.
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I'm thrilled to welcome
the newest member of our team,
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Bertha durazo,
or as we call her, "b".
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She just recently retired
from the l.A. Police department
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After spending decades there,
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And her last stint
was with the cold-case unit.
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Of all the people that I've
worked with on "cold justice,"
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"b" is the only person
who comes to us
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Straight from work
in cold cases.
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And now she's available to
bring her extensive experience
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And meticulous process
to our investigations.
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Siegler: What made
you go into cold cases?
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Durazo: I felt that cold cases
needed detectives
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Who were willing to dig
and just be persistent.
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Cold cases also benefit
from people that are nerdy.
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I admit I'm a nerd.
How about you?
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- Appreciating the details.
- I'm a detail gal.
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I need to look at everything,
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Because sometimes
it's those fine little details
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That are hidden on the fifth
page of someone's statement
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That really make the difference.
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I've always felt that
"cold justice" and her mission
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Was trying to help families
find justice.
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This is really important to me
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Because I worked cold cases
for a long time.
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I'm hoping to help bring
a successful resolution
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To the brutal, unsolved murder
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Of 56-year-old devoted father
william michael mccuen.
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The victim, william michael
mccuen, was retired.
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Lost his wife
not that much earlier.
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It's the day of his son's
college graduation.
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Durazo: Of all days to come
have breakfast with his dad,
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And he found dad deceased
on the side of the house.
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Looked like
he was asleep in his bed.
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And that's where he was attacked
and stabbed multiple times.
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And it seemed
like he tried to come to
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Because he clearly left
his bedroom down the hall,
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Out the door.
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You think
he started stabbing him,
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Whoever did it,
when mike was asleep?
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- I think so.
- So never knew it was coming.
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Yeah.
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Thinking back on samantha
and kelsey's graduation days,
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Those are some
of the happiest memories
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That a parent could ever have.
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So I can imagine the excitement
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That mike mccuen felt that day
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'cause he had been
dreaming about it
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And looking forward to it
for so long,
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And instead,
it turned into a nightmare.
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After 24 years, mike
and his family deserve justice.
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I was trying
to look at mike's life
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And all the people in it
and who he may have had
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Any conflicts with.
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- It didn't seem like...
- He had any enemies.
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I'm excited to figure this out.
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[geese honking]
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- You hear those geese?
- I hear them.
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- Hello, hello.
- How you doing, sheriff?
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- Good.
- Andy tribble.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Michael branyon.
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Michael, nice to meet you.
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Kendall cash. Nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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We're definitely excited
to get y'all's perspective
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And assistance
on this next case.
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This is one
that rocked the community.
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A lot of people would like
to get justice for mr. Mccuen.
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Yeah?
You wanna go get started?
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Absolutely.
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In anderson county,
just very country.
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I would describe it as that.
Very wholesome.
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You have a case like this
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With somebody that would be
a low-risk victim like--
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Michael mccuen was taken
from his family.
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It's just extremely important
for us that the person
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Who is responsible for this
is brought to justice.
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Okay, let's start off by putting
some pictures up of mike.
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But his real name is...
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- William michael.
- William michael?
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Siegler: Talk about mike?
What was his life like?
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Branyon: He was a community man.
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He was a member of
the west pelzer baptist church.
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He was the deacon. He was
the Sunday school director.
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He had one son, matthew.
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In this picture right here.
So we have mike.
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- And then this is...
- His wife, bobbie.
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- Bobbie. And this is matt?
- Matthew. Yeah. Matt.
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Mike's wife, bobbie,
had died due to breast cancer
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A year and a half or so
prior to his death.
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Mike was recently retired.
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He was a successful man.
He worked for the state.
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He was a furman graduate
and a football player,
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And he was well regarded
in the community.
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Tell us about how
all this case started.
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On may 27th of 2000,
his son matthew
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Was to graduate
from furman university.
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So about 6:30 a.M.,
law enforcement got a call.
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Matthew mccuen
had come home from furman.
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He stated that he was going
to surprise his dad
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For breakfast that morning
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And found his father outside,
who had been stabbed.
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He was found
in a seated position
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But slumped against
the backside of the house.
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He had bled to death.
Between his feet,
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There were a phone and a handgun
that was found.
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The telephone had not been used
to dial 911.
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The firearm had not been fired.
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The glass was knocked out
of a window
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That was close to the door.
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Initially appeared
to be the point of entry.
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It was determined
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That he was most likely
stabbed in his bed.
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Was stabbed 17 times,
once in the heart,
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Which was probably
the fatal wound.
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There's a blood trail
from the bedroom, from the bed,
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Down the hallway
into the exterior door
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That he walked out of.
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The scene revealed that nothing
was taken from the house.
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Whoever killed mr. Mccuen
left behind the murder weapon.
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The knife was found by the bed.
It was a large kitchen knife
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That was taken
from the kitchen of the home.
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Siegler: And y'all tested it
for dna back then, right,
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- And got nothing?
- That's right. No.
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Durazo: Based on the level
of rigor mortis on mike's body,
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The medical examiner estimated
the likely time of death
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Was between 3 a.M. And 6 a.M.
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Since nothing was stolen,
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Is it possible that this
was a burglary gone wrong
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Or a vengeful act
of an unknown enemy of mike's?
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Okay, so if we have
"unknown suspect" up here,
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What would you start with?
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The broken window.
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So this would suggest
that it was
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A random break-in,
resulting in a murder.
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Mike had just recently
moved into this house.
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He had some contractors in
there because he was remodeling.
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House being remodeled.
That's a good one.
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He was actually dating two women
at the time.
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In any homicide investigation,
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You have to always
consider the person
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Who's closest to your victim
and the one who found the body.
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The two women
he was dating at the time
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As well as one
of their estranged husbands
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Were clearly suspects back then.
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But mike's son, matthew,
checks both of those boxes.
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- Matt's full name is...
- William matthew mccuen.
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As far as prior
criminal history,
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He's got nothing, right?
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- He had nothing.
- Hadn't been arrested before.
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Hasn't been arrested
for anything at all since.
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Nothing.
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What kind of personality
are we talking about?
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He was described
a highly intelligent.
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He was valedictorian
of his high school.
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Valedictorian of his
high school class.
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He was described as a nice guy
by many of the people
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That investigators
had talked to.
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And I think his dad had
very high expectations of him.
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By most accounts,
matt had a good relationship
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With his father,
and he had a key to the house,
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So he wouldn't need to break
the window to get in.
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But not everything
about his story made sense.
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He told investigators
varying accounts.
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He told a service member
that he'd given mouth-to-mouth.
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He told investigators one time
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That he had cradled his dad
by one account.
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Later on, he said
he's staunching the wounds,
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As he put it, yet there was
no blood on his arms.
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There's no blood on his shirt.
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You would expect there
to be a lot more blood
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Because his father
was covered in blood.
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Matt initially said that he
was going to surprise his dad
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For breakfast before graduation
on that day.
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But later in interviews,
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He admitted that he wasn't
going to graduate.
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Matt's t-shirt
was recovered from the scene,
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And the lack of blood transfer
was inconsistent with his story.
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Plus, he lied
about graduating that day.
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This makes me wonder,
what else has matt lied about?
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Siegler: Okay, let's talk
about the motives.
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Branyon: His dad owned
two houses at the time.
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In addition to that,
he had around $42,000
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Across two bank accounts.
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Had recently retired,
and I think got
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A lump sum in retirement
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That would have been
pretty substantial for the time.
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If his dad would have
gotten married, though,
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Tell me how
south carolina law works.
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But in texas, that new wife
would have been entitled
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To a life estate in the house
even if it wasn't in the will.
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They could have lived there
until they died.
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Matt inherited his share
of all the financial assets,
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Including the house,
which he still lives in today.
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So the financial motive
is there,
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But the question remains,
would that have been enough
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For matt to brutally kill
his own biological father?
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♪ when I get home ♪
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♪ I'm tired and tethered ♪
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♪ caught in circles ♪
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♪ where I have been before ♪
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Siegler: We're going to meet
mike's sister barbara.
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- Hey, miss durham.
- Hey.
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For 24 years, she's had
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To deal with the pain
of losing her brother.
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She's also been dealing
with the uncertainty of whether
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Or not her own nephew
had anything to do with this.
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How are you, miss barbara?
I'm kelly.
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- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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We wanna bring her the answers
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She's been desperately
waiting for.
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Can you just tell us about mike
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And kind of how mike was
closer to the time of his death?
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He worked at that unemployment
bureau in anderson.
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Not too soon before
he ended up being murdered,
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He retired, right?
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He hadn't been retired
that long, had he?
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No. No.
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Mike, he was real easy
to get along with.
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He was a real kind person,
but he had no sense of balance.
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I tried to teach him
how to ride the pony,
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And he'd just go off
to the side.
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So I had a hard time with that.
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And finally we just gave
that up. [chuckles]
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He was a good dad.
He tried to be good to matthew.
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And if matthew
wanted to play football
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Or whatever he wanted to do,
then mike, he would go and try
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To help him along or do
whatever he had to do.
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He wanted him to be a good
athlete. Matthew couldn't do it.
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I know when he was trying
to learn how to ride a bicycle,
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Mike was trying
to hold him on the bicycle.
243
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Both of 'em run into a tree.
244
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- He just wasn't coordinated.
- Yeah.
245
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Was mike demanding of matt?
246
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No, but he was
having trouble with matthew.
247
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What do you mean by that?
248
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Well, one time
when I went up to their house,
249
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I asked mike what was
that bruise on his face.
250
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And he said
he was mowing the lawn.
251
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And matthew came out there
252
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And jumped on mike
while mike was mowing.
253
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And I said, "why?" and he said
254
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Because he had already
got him a girlfriend
255
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And he was gonna move her
in the house.
256
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Well, matthew
wasn't gonna have that.
257
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He didn't want her in the house.
258
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Why didn't matt want
his daddy to be happy?
259
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I do not know.
260
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So their relationship
at that time
261
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- Prior to mike's death...
- Was bad.
262
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Did he act like he was sad
that his dad had been killed
263
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And they hadn't found
who killed him?
264
00:11:15,341 --> 00:11:18,376
No. He--I never seen him cry.
265
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I think matthew is--
something ain't right there.
266
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Siegler: Barbara is definitely
a no-nonsense kind of lady.
267
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She's a very strong lady
who loved mike,
268
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Who cared about mike,
269
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And she wants justice
for what happened to him,
270
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But who also may
or may not be wondering
271
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If matt had anything
to do with it.
272
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When you have a suspect
also being a family member,
273
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Especially as close
as this is to the victim,
274
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It doesn't get
any more complicated
275
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And difficult to maneuver
than this situation.
276
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Have you ever confronted matthew
and said anything to him about,
277
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"we think you did it" or "we
know you did it" or anything?
278
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No. But if he didn't do it,
who did it?
279
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Okay, so now we have a whole
bunch of phone calls to make.
280
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We'll just start
going down the list,
281
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And then hopefully everybody's
home and have good luck.
282
00:12:18,771 --> 00:12:20,504
We've got two
possible suspects
283
00:12:20,506 --> 00:12:24,041
In the fatal stabbing
of 56-year-old mike mccuen,
284
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An unknown assailant,
and his son matt.
285
00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:29,747
While we have financial motive
in play here,
286
00:12:29,883 --> 00:12:31,883
We wanna see if there's
anything else going on
287
00:12:31,984 --> 00:12:33,784
In the history
of the family dynamic
288
00:12:33,986 --> 00:12:37,121
Between matt and mike
and matt's mom, bobbie,
289
00:12:37,323 --> 00:12:40,324
Who passed away just 18 months
before this murder happened,
290
00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:43,928
Or if mike was having issues
with anyone else.
291
00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:45,864
What kind of person was mike?
292
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Did he ever have problems
with anybody they worked with?
293
00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:05,750
Do you know anybody that would
want to do this to mike?
294
00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:16,194
Durazo: So far,
we haven't identified anyone
295
00:13:16,196 --> 00:13:19,263
Who had a motive to kill mike.
But what about his son?
296
00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,633
What did you know about matthew?
How was he in high school?
297
00:13:45,525 --> 00:13:47,358
What exactly did he do?
298
00:14:02,908 --> 00:14:03,708
Yeah.
299
00:14:10,282 --> 00:14:13,918
It sounds like matt's
intense behavior comes because
300
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He has been told to be the best,
and he wants to be the best.
301
00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:19,256
Ambition's not a bad thing,
302
00:14:19,259 --> 00:14:21,693
But sometimes too much pressure
can be destructive.
303
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:51,589
Yeah.
304
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,205
Durazo: Initially, it appeared
305
00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:11,508
That the mccuen family
was pretty tight-knit,
306
00:15:11,611 --> 00:15:13,177
And through our interviews,
307
00:15:13,313 --> 00:15:15,079
We discovered
that actually wasn't the case.
308
00:15:15,281 --> 00:15:17,248
There was a lot of stress
and a lot of pressure
309
00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:21,052
Placed on matt academically
and even athletically.
310
00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:24,555
And it appears that there
was a lot more to this story.
311
00:16:34,861 --> 00:16:36,193
It didn't seem
like he had any idea
312
00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:37,929
That he wasn't
graduating either.
313
00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:41,499
If he had known,
314
00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:43,601
What do you think
his reaction would have been?
315
00:16:48,574 --> 00:16:51,408
What about bobbie?
Well, if she had been alive,
316
00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:53,378
What do you think
she would have thought?
317
00:16:55,815 --> 00:16:58,549
Siegler: We're hearing
about all this pressure
318
00:16:58,551 --> 00:17:01,152
That matt's parents put on him
since he was a little boy.
319
00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:02,887
And I think
about my daughters
320
00:17:03,023 --> 00:17:05,022
And the realization
that as a parent,
321
00:17:05,224 --> 00:17:07,291
You wanna push your children,
322
00:17:07,427 --> 00:17:09,460
But you don't wanna
push 'em too much.
323
00:17:09,595 --> 00:17:12,864
It sounds like all the pressure
that matt was undergoing might
324
00:17:13,033 --> 00:17:16,501
Have contributed to that being
a potential motive in this case.
325
00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:26,777
Durazo: It's possible that this
was an unknown enemy of mike's,
326
00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:28,746
But we've learned
that there was a possible
327
00:17:29,081 --> 00:17:30,814
Emotional motive for his son.
328
00:17:30,816 --> 00:17:32,583
So now we're hoping
to dig a little deeper
329
00:17:32,718 --> 00:17:34,218
Into the financial motive.
330
00:17:34,420 --> 00:17:36,587
Looks like we're here.
331
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:39,456
Mike's girlfriend at the time,
patsy underwood,
332
00:17:39,459 --> 00:17:42,960
Was added as a co-beneficiary
on his retirement account
333
00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:44,262
Shortly before the murder.
334
00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:46,630
We wanna see what information
she can provide.
335
00:17:46,766 --> 00:17:49,833
You know,
this is really surprising.
336
00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:52,670
But I was thinking
about this the other day.
337
00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:56,440
I was just lying there
on my bed.
338
00:17:56,576 --> 00:18:00,344
And I said,
"somebody got away with that."
339
00:18:00,346 --> 00:18:02,146
Well, if there's
anything we can do
340
00:18:02,281 --> 00:18:04,115
To prevent that,
that's what we're here for.
341
00:18:04,283 --> 00:18:06,250
Can you just tell me
about mike?
342
00:18:06,386 --> 00:18:08,319
He's a great guy.
343
00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:09,853
We work together.
344
00:18:09,856 --> 00:18:12,189
I just--I thought a lot of him.
345
00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:14,358
Okay. You were really close
to mike at the time
346
00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:15,993
Of his death, but you were named
347
00:18:15,995 --> 00:18:18,196
As a co-beneficiary
on his retirement account.
348
00:18:18,398 --> 00:18:19,730
You remember that?
349
00:18:19,933 --> 00:18:23,267
I got--I think it was $20,000.
350
00:18:23,469 --> 00:18:25,903
- Okay.
- I don't know how or where,
351
00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:27,805
When, how that $20,000...
352
00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:29,406
Do you remember
if it was an insurance?
353
00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:31,942
No, I didn't have it. He--
354
00:18:32,144 --> 00:18:35,679
- He had all that went to matt.
- Matt. Okay.
355
00:18:35,815 --> 00:18:37,448
I got the check for $20,000,
356
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:39,416
And I don't know
how much he got,
357
00:18:39,485 --> 00:18:42,019
But I'm assuming
that he got everything.
358
00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:44,421
- Okay.
- 'cause he was an only child.
359
00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:47,524
Mike worshiped that boy.
He really did.
360
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,159
I thought he was really--
361
00:18:49,162 --> 00:18:51,362
I thought he was gonna
make something of himself.
362
00:18:51,397 --> 00:18:56,867
Do you ever remember mike and
matt arguing with each other?
363
00:18:56,870 --> 00:19:00,204
I know that mike would get
real aggravated with him,
364
00:19:00,339 --> 00:19:02,873
But I don't know
that they ever had
365
00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:06,644
Any knockout,
drag-out fights, you know.
366
00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:08,545
From what we know,
367
00:19:08,581 --> 00:19:11,515
Mike had no intention of cutting
matt out of his inheritance.
368
00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:15,486
But if matt feared he was losing
it to his dad's new girlfriend,
369
00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:19,690
Imagine his anxiety, knowing
the impending disappointment
370
00:19:19,692 --> 00:19:22,760
About his not graduating
was about to be out in the open.
371
00:19:22,962 --> 00:19:25,129
See, mike had big plans
for that boy.
372
00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:27,364
That was the only child he had.
373
00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:29,867
He had big plans for that child.
374
00:19:43,916 --> 00:19:46,317
So, we can't go to the house
375
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,621
Because that's where matt mccuen
and his family live even today.
376
00:19:50,756 --> 00:19:53,724
The guys did a build-out
in a warehouse
377
00:19:54,059 --> 00:19:55,859
Where we can go in there
and talk about everything
378
00:19:55,995 --> 00:19:57,495
And talk through
the blood trail.
379
00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:01,598
It would be interesting
to see in the bedroom itself
380
00:20:01,601 --> 00:20:04,201
An example of what may
have been going on in there.
381
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:06,169
I've worked hundreds
of investigations
382
00:20:06,171 --> 00:20:07,938
And dozens of cold cases.
383
00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:11,975
In my experience,
it's crucial in an investigation
384
00:20:12,111 --> 00:20:15,045
To reexamine the crime scene,
especially since it's possible
385
00:20:15,181 --> 00:20:17,814
That this was a burglary
gone wrong.
386
00:20:17,983 --> 00:20:19,917
You got it nice
and set up already.
387
00:20:20,252 --> 00:20:21,585
- Yeah.
- We tried.
388
00:20:21,787 --> 00:20:24,087
Durazo: The little details
you read in the report,
389
00:20:24,289 --> 00:20:27,191
When recreated,
can reveal important clues
390
00:20:27,327 --> 00:20:28,859
As to who may have
committed the crime.
391
00:20:28,994 --> 00:20:30,894
Okay, michael, orient us.
What you thinking?
392
00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:32,730
Obviously,
this is the parking area,
393
00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:34,231
The main driveway that they use.
394
00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:35,700
This will be the back door
395
00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:37,901
That we believe
they used most frequently.
396
00:20:38,103 --> 00:20:39,536
As we get to the back door,
397
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:42,172
The planters here, obviously,
where he was found.
398
00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:44,908
So we're in the back door now.
There's a hallway here.
399
00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,510
This middle room here
would have been the kitchen.
400
00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:48,912
- Okay.
- Two drawers that were open.
401
00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:51,148
I believe the knife was kept in
the second drawer on the right.
402
00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:53,651
The farthest drawer that
was open is the knife drawer.
403
00:20:53,653 --> 00:20:56,187
Right. It tells us the killer
didn't bring a weapon with him.
404
00:20:56,322 --> 00:20:58,255
He armed himself
while he was in the house.
405
00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,924
And the fact
that nothing else is disturbed,
406
00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:02,560
It suggests that he was
familiar with the house.
407
00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:05,529
- Okay.
- This is the cordless phone.
408
00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:07,498
This would be the cradle
for the phone
409
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:09,100
That was found
between his feet.
410
00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:12,302
Would have been on his way out
to where he ended up collapsing.
411
00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:15,273
So now we're in mike's bedroom,
where he was attacked.
412
00:21:15,474 --> 00:21:17,307
Someone said that mike kept
a gun in the top drawer
413
00:21:17,376 --> 00:21:19,110
Of the nightstand,
which is where we found
414
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:20,477
The holster for the gun.
415
00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:23,814
The knife was laying
in this position
416
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:26,283
In front of the privacy screen,
and we believe it was dropped
417
00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:29,253
By the attacker
after he stabbed mr. Mccuen.
418
00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:31,722
There was a significant
amount of blood in this area,
419
00:21:31,857 --> 00:21:33,323
Which probably
would have been the side
420
00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:34,658
That he got out of the bed on.
421
00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:36,860
And is anything stolen
in the whole house?
422
00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:38,762
- No.
- We know he slept in the nude.
423
00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:40,431
So the fact
he's got no clothes on,
424
00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:41,832
Nobody thinks
that's important, right?
425
00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:44,601
- Right.
- So if he's still laying down,
426
00:21:44,737 --> 00:21:48,605
This attacker is catching mike
completely by surprise.
427
00:21:48,741 --> 00:21:49,707
I think he was asleep
when he was first attacked.
428
00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:51,542
Everybody
thinks he's dead asleep.
429
00:21:51,577 --> 00:21:53,110
- Yeah.
- The blood drops
430
00:21:53,178 --> 00:21:55,445
In the bedroom floor
were undisturbed,
431
00:21:55,447 --> 00:21:57,981
Suggesting that mike's killer
ambushed him
432
00:21:58,183 --> 00:21:59,716
At his most vulnerable,
433
00:21:59,719 --> 00:22:02,453
But didn't stick around
to make sure he was dead.
434
00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:04,788
They stabbed him,
and then they fled quickly.
435
00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,957
All right, cash,
if you don't mind,
436
00:22:07,092 --> 00:22:09,159
Could you play mike in the bed?
437
00:22:09,295 --> 00:22:12,430
Michael, you play the attacker
and come creeping in here.
438
00:22:12,632 --> 00:22:14,965
Branyon: So it's very early
in the morning.
439
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:15,933
The window was knocked out.
440
00:22:16,368 --> 00:22:18,135
We've got the glass broken
out here.
441
00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:20,271
The killer makes his way
into the back door.
442
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,705
Walks down the hallway,
443
00:22:21,708 --> 00:22:24,041
Goes into the kitchen
and opens the drawer.
444
00:22:24,177 --> 00:22:26,544
Finds a knife.
Comes down the hallway.
445
00:22:26,879 --> 00:22:28,712
Makes his way
into the victim's bedroom.
446
00:22:28,848 --> 00:22:30,814
Walks over
to the right side of the bed.
447
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,784
Takes a well-aimed shot.
Stabs him in the heart.
448
00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:38,756
There's one. Okay,
so he's gonna come alive.
449
00:22:38,791 --> 00:22:41,392
Stab him several times
in the upper chest, the arms,
450
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,093
As he's
in the defensive posture.
451
00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:44,495
Right leg, right knee.
452
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:48,031
Drops the knife.
Runs out of the house.
453
00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:49,900
Siegler:
How long did all that take?
454
00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:51,168
I'd say about
a minute and a half.
455
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:52,569
- Wow.
- Yeah.
456
00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:55,239
Okay, now you think,
how does he get up?
457
00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:58,209
So he's got the gun.
458
00:22:59,745 --> 00:23:01,212
We follow the blood trail.
459
00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:03,414
He's probably grabbing
the phone. It's still dark.
460
00:23:03,749 --> 00:23:05,115
I think he's starting
to look for his attacker.
461
00:23:05,251 --> 00:23:07,951
Opens the door
with his right hand.
462
00:23:07,986 --> 00:23:09,987
Arterial spurt
on the side of the door
463
00:23:09,989 --> 00:23:11,388
And then he comes outside.
464
00:23:11,424 --> 00:23:14,257
Durazo: The stab wound
to mike's right hand
465
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:18,028
Disabled his thumb and his index
finger, hindering his ability
466
00:23:18,163 --> 00:23:21,264
To turn the doorknob
and fire his handgun.
467
00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,401
I think he sits down like this.
468
00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:27,037
Drops both the things.
469
00:23:27,172 --> 00:23:29,940
- Siegler: And dies right there.
- Dies right there.
470
00:23:29,975 --> 00:23:33,810
For mike to have been
stabbed 17 times
471
00:23:33,813 --> 00:23:37,114
Indicates that it was personal
and the killer was full of rage.
472
00:23:37,116 --> 00:23:39,516
And when you consider
that they knew
473
00:23:39,551 --> 00:23:42,219
Where to find the knife
and didn't steal anything,
474
00:23:42,355 --> 00:23:44,988
It suggests that this
was not a random break-in.
475
00:23:45,023 --> 00:23:47,624
Plus, if mike was sleeping
before the attack,
476
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,728
Why didn't he wake up to
the sound of shattering glass?
477
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:53,430
So here's the door
that the attacker came in.
478
00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:55,298
There's a big window
with smaller panes in it,
479
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,034
And it's the bottom right glass
was knocked out.
480
00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:01,605
If someone were to knock
the glass out and reach around
481
00:24:01,807 --> 00:24:04,174
And open the door, which is what
it looks like the intent was,
482
00:24:04,177 --> 00:24:06,877
They would have to reach around
a column as well.
483
00:24:07,012 --> 00:24:09,246
And there's jagged glass
still here
484
00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:10,381
'cause the whole window
did not break out.
485
00:24:10,716 --> 00:24:13,416
Which suggests that if that's
not the way they got in,
486
00:24:13,418 --> 00:24:14,852
Then they got in with the key.
487
00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:16,453
But in addition to that,
glass is on top of the blood.
488
00:24:16,622 --> 00:24:19,389
So it suggests
that the window is knocked out
489
00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,024
After he's coming through,
bleeding.
490
00:24:21,026 --> 00:24:23,260
So if that's the case,
you gotta ask yourself why.
491
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:24,995
Who would stage a crime scene?
492
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:26,763
If matt
is the prime suspect here,
493
00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,932
He could have entered
the residence with a key
494
00:24:28,934 --> 00:24:30,867
And then obviously staged
the burglary afterwards.
495
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:32,936
Obviously, he would have known
where the knife was.
496
00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:35,639
In addition to that, he's able
to accurately describe the knife
497
00:24:35,841 --> 00:24:38,008
As a black handle knife
with three rivets,
498
00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:39,510
Or he first called it
three circles
499
00:24:39,545 --> 00:24:41,211
Or three dots on the handle.
500
00:24:41,214 --> 00:24:45,416
What struck me was in this area,
there was a lot of blood pooled.
501
00:24:45,618 --> 00:24:49,052
And yet when matt
says he came through the room
502
00:24:49,087 --> 00:24:53,390
And got close enough
to where the knife was,
503
00:24:53,392 --> 00:24:55,993
There wasn't
a lot of footprints there.
504
00:24:56,062 --> 00:24:58,562
So I'm trying to figure out
505
00:24:58,697 --> 00:25:02,433
How he would have been able to
describe it the way that he did.
506
00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:04,568
Siegler: According
to the reports,
507
00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:08,105
A witness at matt's college
saw him around 6 a.M.
508
00:25:08,107 --> 00:25:11,908
So if he was the killer,
he had to have done that
509
00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:13,777
In the early morning hours
510
00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:16,112
And driven 30 minutes
back to campus
511
00:25:16,114 --> 00:25:17,781
To be seen by that witness
512
00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:20,183
And then gone back
to his dad's house,
513
00:25:20,385 --> 00:25:23,220
Where he made the call to 911
at 6:30 in the morning.
514
00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:26,189
This would have
given him time to clean up
515
00:25:26,325 --> 00:25:28,358
And possibly stage the scene,
516
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,394
All while seemingly
having an alibi.
517
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:34,465
The goal wasn't to steal money
or jewelry or anything else.
518
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,400
The goal was
to kill mr. Mccuen.
519
00:25:47,044 --> 00:25:49,847
Siegler: Now, this is how
I did the frat brothers.
520
00:25:51,083 --> 00:25:52,483
I just kind of went through
the offense report vaguely
521
00:25:53,619 --> 00:25:54,585
From knowing a little more
to knowing the least.
522
00:25:55,921 --> 00:25:57,488
They're all easily phone calls.
Let's just start with these
523
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:58,755
And start at the bottom
and work our way up.
524
00:25:58,924 --> 00:26:00,123
Okay, let's do it.
525
00:26:00,259 --> 00:26:03,827
On may 27, 2000,
hours before he was set
526
00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:06,162
To see his son
graduate from college,
527
00:26:06,331 --> 00:26:08,732
Mike mccuen
was senselessly murdered.
528
00:26:08,801 --> 00:26:12,202
Our examination of the crime
scene suggested it was likely
529
00:26:12,405 --> 00:26:16,106
Someone that mike knew
and who had access to the house.
530
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:18,876
Matt mccuen
had a financial motive,
531
00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:21,211
But if we can find a witness
he confided in
532
00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:25,115
About not graduating
or problems with his dad,
533
00:26:25,184 --> 00:26:27,851
That could strengthen
any potential emotional motive.
534
00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:29,352
Man: Hello?
535
00:26:29,488 --> 00:26:30,754
Hey, I'm sergeant kendall cash.
I work for
536
00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:33,056
The anderson county sheriff's
office up in south carolina.
537
00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:34,391
Siegler: Matt was very close
538
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,226
With his fraternity brothers
back then,
539
00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:38,095
So if he opened up to anybody,
540
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:39,863
It probably would have been
one of them.
541
00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:53,310
You said matt was pretty
intense. What made you say that?
542
00:27:14,866 --> 00:27:17,301
What did you think
about matthew mccuen back then?
543
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,378
Talking about the graduation,
544
00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:30,347
Did you know that matthew
would not graduate?
545
00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:43,093
Would it surprise you if I told
you he didn't graduate at all?
546
00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:52,736
So y'all didn't have any idea
547
00:27:52,871 --> 00:27:55,105
That he wasn't ready to graduate
or wasn't on track?
548
00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:15,392
He cut himself?
549
00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,130
On purpose? Wow.
550
00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:27,036
Yeah. Yeah, that's odd.
551
00:28:27,239 --> 00:28:28,905
Siegler: Matt's
fraternity brothers
552
00:28:29,074 --> 00:28:31,641
Recall his extreme personality.
553
00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:34,277
But just like everybody else,
they were very much
554
00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:36,647
In the dark
about him not graduating.
555
00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:38,915
According to the police reports,
556
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:42,419
Matt stopped by one of those
fraternity brother's apartments
557
00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:45,322
That morning around 2:00,
shortly before the time
558
00:28:45,524 --> 00:28:47,624
We believe
that his dad was murdered.
559
00:28:47,626 --> 00:28:51,795
So this witness may have crucial
information to matt's mindset.
560
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:53,997
You knew matt for four years,
561
00:28:53,999 --> 00:28:55,165
And you're
in the same fraternity.
562
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,033
You gave a statement
to law enforcement
563
00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:58,735
Back when this happened.
564
00:28:58,871 --> 00:29:02,305
You had said
on the 27th of may 2000
565
00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:06,009
Matt came to your room around
2 a.M. And you were asleep.
566
00:29:06,212 --> 00:29:10,113
Matt yelled at you,
but you didn't get up.
567
00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:11,949
But you knew
that it was matt.
568
00:29:12,017 --> 00:29:13,417
And then you don't know
when matt left.
569
00:29:22,627 --> 00:29:24,227
Would there have been
any reason
570
00:29:24,229 --> 00:29:29,266
For him to be at your apartment
at that time, for any reason?
571
00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:32,202
Was it a normal occurrence
for him to be drinking at 2 a.M.
572
00:29:32,404 --> 00:29:35,372
And come by your apartment?
573
00:29:35,374 --> 00:29:37,640
Was it normal, like--
take 2 a.M. Out of it.
574
00:29:37,842 --> 00:29:39,208
Was he somebody
575
00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:41,578
That would frequently come
to your apartment?
576
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,987
Did you ever ask him why he did
that night or that morning?
577
00:29:53,992 --> 00:29:56,760
Did he ever--
did he ever tell you why?
578
00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:00,631
Well, listen, man,
I really appreciate you taking
579
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:02,232
The time to talk to me.
580
00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:03,500
- All right. Take care.
- All right. You, too.
581
00:30:03,835 --> 00:30:06,270
- Okay. Bye.
- Bye-bye.
582
00:30:06,472 --> 00:30:08,071
So why did he go over there?
583
00:30:08,073 --> 00:30:09,372
According to the person
584
00:30:09,374 --> 00:30:12,008
Who rents this apartment,
he doesn't know
585
00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:14,244
And there would be no reason
for him to be there.
586
00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:16,713
He has not established
a pattern of doing this.
587
00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:18,115
Siegler: Maybe matt
had something
588
00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:20,783
To get off of his chest
and needed advice.
589
00:30:20,785 --> 00:30:22,953
Maybe he was establishing
an alibi.
590
00:30:23,088 --> 00:30:25,088
Or maybe it was just
simply the actions
591
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:27,624
Of a partying college student
that night.
592
00:30:27,793 --> 00:30:31,962
But the odd timing
and the unusual behavior
593
00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:35,198
Make this a beautiful piece
of circumstantial evidence.
594
00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:38,101
Never did that before.
Never did it since.
595
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:40,470
If there is a witness
that matt opened up to,
596
00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:41,971
We still need to find him.
597
00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:44,274
- That's a good call.
- Yeah.
598
00:30:58,856 --> 00:31:01,458
Somebody's holding lights on
in the house.
599
00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:03,694
On may 27, 2000,
600
00:31:03,863 --> 00:31:07,864
56-year-old mike mccuen was
brutally murdered on the day
601
00:31:08,066 --> 00:31:11,768
Of his son matt's supposed
graduation from college.
602
00:31:11,937 --> 00:31:15,305
According to the report,
the afternoon before
603
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,741
Matt's graduation,
he stopped by a friend's house.
604
00:31:18,943 --> 00:31:20,944
So our hope
is that if he had something
605
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:24,014
To get off of his chest,
hopefully he told her that.
606
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:25,482
Cash: So, we were reading
through our statements
607
00:31:25,484 --> 00:31:27,417
When we ran across your name
608
00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:29,552
That he might have possibly
come and seen you
609
00:31:29,688 --> 00:31:31,855
The day before,
maybe mid-afternoon.
610
00:31:38,963 --> 00:31:41,064
Siegler: What kind of mood
was he in? What was he--
611
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,841
Did he say he was
having troubles with his dad?
612
00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:55,178
Had troubles.
613
00:32:01,486 --> 00:32:04,187
It didn't come up, huh?
614
00:32:04,189 --> 00:32:05,756
Nothing about,
"I'm not doing so great
615
00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,125
In college, and I'm worried."
nothing.
616
00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:10,928
Cash: Yeah.
617
00:32:14,499 --> 00:32:18,368
Siegler: How do you think
that affected matt?
618
00:32:23,575 --> 00:32:26,944
Well, thank you very much.
We appreciate your help.
619
00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:31,981
This is yet another witness
that matt did not open up to.
620
00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:35,552
But in this case,
what wasn't said speaks volumes.
621
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:38,422
Knowing that his world's
about to come crumbling down,
622
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,190
And mr. Perfect,
623
00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:42,892
Now everybody's
gonna know he's busted.
624
00:32:43,061 --> 00:32:44,827
Not just his daddy, everybody.
625
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:47,964
Matt was lying
to everybody for months
626
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:51,101
And going to great lengths
to hide his secret.
627
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:52,735
But time was running out.
628
00:32:52,871 --> 00:32:56,806
In that last 24 hours
before mike was fatally stabbed,
629
00:32:56,842 --> 00:32:59,642
It seemed like matt
was desperate
630
00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:01,644
For somebody to talk to.
631
00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:06,016
He was angry, worried
about his dad's disapproval,
632
00:33:06,051 --> 00:33:08,085
Worried about losing
his inheritance,
633
00:33:08,287 --> 00:33:10,520
Worried about his image
being tarnished.
634
00:33:10,722 --> 00:33:13,456
His whole world
was crashing down on him.
635
00:33:13,458 --> 00:33:14,524
And it's sad to think
636
00:33:14,859 --> 00:33:16,259
That a day
that was supposed to be
637
00:33:16,261 --> 00:33:19,162
Such a big celebration
for matt and for mike
638
00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:21,932
Ended in such
a horrible tragedy.
639
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:26,770
He's described as a nice guy
by a lot of people
640
00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,806
That don't know him, you know,
maybe from that incident,
641
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,875
But even a couple deputies that
have had interactions with him
642
00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:33,310
Say he's a nice guy.
643
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:36,213
Now that we feel like
we have our full picture,
644
00:33:36,281 --> 00:33:39,549
It's time to confront
our suspect, matt mccuen.
645
00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:42,619
So I think
as long as we establish
646
00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:45,522
That early on and we treat him
with that kind of respect,
647
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:47,557
I think there's a chance
that he'll talk to us.
648
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,993
Build that rapport.
That can go a long way.
649
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:52,996
I think that because
he's so smart,
650
00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:56,399
He's gonna wanna know
what you know,
651
00:33:56,535 --> 00:34:00,236
And I think that's just part
of what his personality is.
652
00:34:00,405 --> 00:34:02,171
Matt still lives
in the same house
653
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:05,041
That his father
was murdered in 24 years ago.
654
00:34:05,243 --> 00:34:08,845
So the plan is to catch him off
guard and to play it friendly.
655
00:34:11,716 --> 00:34:14,617
If we can get him to talk,
any more inconsistencies
656
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:17,020
That he gives us
will make our case stronger.
657
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:21,091
[knocking]
658
00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:28,998
- He's not home.
- [dog barking]
659
00:34:29,134 --> 00:34:30,901
Not looking too promising.
660
00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:36,038
Automated voice:
Please leave your message for...
661
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,340
Man's voice: Matt mccuen.
662
00:34:39,043 --> 00:34:40,477
Hey, matt,
this is sergeant branyon
663
00:34:40,612 --> 00:34:42,945
With anderson county
sheriff's office.
664
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:44,814
I'd like to talk to you
if you have a minute.
665
00:34:44,817 --> 00:34:47,117
If you would, just give me
a call back. Thank you.
666
00:34:48,553 --> 00:34:50,253
- [phone ringing]
- he's calling me.
667
00:34:50,455 --> 00:34:51,855
Hello. Is this matt?
668
00:34:56,461 --> 00:35:00,296
Okay. So, I take it
you're at work today.
669
00:35:00,432 --> 00:35:02,499
Okay. So, the reason for my call
670
00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:05,368
Is we're looking
into some older cold cases,
671
00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:07,370
And your father's case
is one that came up,
672
00:35:07,506 --> 00:35:09,372
So we're gonna be
looking into that.
673
00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:11,374
And I just wanted
to maybe sit down
674
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:14,444
And talk with you and
get an idea of, you know,
675
00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:16,779
About your dad and about
his life and that kind of stuff,
676
00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:18,148
Because, number one,
677
00:35:18,483 --> 00:35:20,316
You're the closest
living relative to him,
678
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,219
And I'm sure
you want some justice.
679
00:35:26,991 --> 00:35:28,458
Okay. Okay.
680
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:31,061
Thank you.
Y'all have a good day.
681
00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:32,595
- Okay, you, too. Bye.
- Bye.
682
00:35:32,597 --> 00:35:34,864
[line ringing]
683
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,766
- Hey, michael.
- Hey.
684
00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:37,967
I just wanna call
and give you a quick update.
685
00:35:38,169 --> 00:35:39,602
Matt called me back.
686
00:35:39,804 --> 00:35:42,639
Pretty much replied that,
"okay, yeah, that sounds good.
687
00:35:42,774 --> 00:35:45,708
Let me talk to my lawyer
and I'll get back with you."
688
00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:47,978
That makes me think he's
not gonna call you back.
689
00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:49,412
You think he might?
690
00:35:49,548 --> 00:35:51,714
No, I don't think
he's gonna call me back.
691
00:35:51,716 --> 00:35:54,684
Okay. So do you think we've
checked the box with him?
692
00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:56,552
There's nothing more
we're gonna get from him?
693
00:35:56,588 --> 00:35:57,287
Yeah, I don't think
there's anything
694
00:35:58,056 --> 00:35:58,755
We're gonna get out of him.
695
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:00,157
- All right, thank you.
- Thanks.
696
00:36:00,759 --> 00:36:02,425
- Bye.
- Bye.
697
00:36:02,427 --> 00:36:04,094
Siegler: I think we're
all pretty surprised
698
00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:06,663
At the fact that matt mccuen
is not curious.
699
00:36:06,798 --> 00:36:09,832
He had no questions.
He didn't seem excited
700
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:11,901
To hear about the investigation
moving forward.
701
00:36:11,904 --> 00:36:14,270
And no one can read
into that automatically
702
00:36:14,305 --> 00:36:15,771
That it means you're guilty
703
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:17,474
But I think that
the commonsense appreciation
704
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:18,941
By someone would be.
705
00:36:18,943 --> 00:36:20,710
I'm not sure
that's how I would act
706
00:36:20,712 --> 00:36:22,912
If you were gonna
finally open up again
707
00:36:22,915 --> 00:36:25,548
My loved one's murder
from 24 years ago.
708
00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:29,185
This is one of those cases
where you got what you have.
709
00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:30,720
- I agree.
- And we need to move forward
710
00:36:31,055 --> 00:36:32,189
- On what we have.
- Okay.
711
00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:47,237
- Good morning, guys.
- Good morning.
712
00:36:47,606 --> 00:36:48,872
Last day.
713
00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:51,540
While we weren't able to do
a thorough interview
714
00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:54,043
Of our primary suspect,
matt mccuen,
715
00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:57,580
We did have success compiling
circumstantial evidence.
716
00:36:57,716 --> 00:36:59,582
And it's time to determine
whether or not
717
00:36:59,784 --> 00:37:02,685
We believe mike's own son
or an unknown suspect
718
00:37:02,687 --> 00:37:04,687
Is responsible
for murdering mike mccuen.
719
00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:09,592
How do you feel about could this
be a random, unknown intruder?
720
00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:11,294
I think based
on what we've seen,
721
00:37:11,462 --> 00:37:13,129
All the people we've talked to,
722
00:37:13,131 --> 00:37:14,764
I really don't think
it would be an unknown suspect.
723
00:37:15,099 --> 00:37:17,100
Nothing was taken.
Nothing was in disarray.
724
00:37:17,236 --> 00:37:21,704
The person who went in had
familiarity with the location
725
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:25,108
Because one drawer that was open
was the kitchen drawer
726
00:37:25,244 --> 00:37:26,976
That contained the knife.
727
00:37:27,012 --> 00:37:29,479
And the crime scene itself?
728
00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:32,782
We see a broken-out window,
which is, at least initially,
729
00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:34,751
Supposed to be
the point of entry.
730
00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:36,786
There was glass that was found
on top of the blood,
731
00:37:36,855 --> 00:37:39,556
Which indicates
that it was obviously broken
732
00:37:39,725 --> 00:37:41,624
After the homicide occurred.
733
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,526
So it was obviously
a staged burglary.
734
00:37:43,528 --> 00:37:45,395
And if you were a real burglar
with that broken glass,
735
00:37:45,597 --> 00:37:47,230
How you getting in?
736
00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:49,966
I'm gonna stick my hand
through the door and unlock it,
737
00:37:49,968 --> 00:37:52,168
Which we went through in our
crime-scene reconstruction.
738
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:55,138
It would be extremely hard
if not impossible.
739
00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:57,874
They would have to reach
around a column as well.
740
00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:59,942
And there's jagged glass
still here
741
00:38:00,011 --> 00:38:01,711
'cause the whole window
did not break out.
742
00:38:01,846 --> 00:38:04,247
The motive for this crime
was not burglary.
743
00:38:04,382 --> 00:38:05,648
The motive
for this crime was murder,
744
00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:07,583
And he was
specifically targeted.
745
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:11,053
So with all that being said,
are you good with crossing
746
00:38:11,189 --> 00:38:12,755
"unknown suspect"
off the board?
747
00:38:12,757 --> 00:38:13,990
I am, kelly.
748
00:38:13,992 --> 00:38:15,725
- How about you, cash? "b"?
- Yes.
749
00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:18,261
All right, so this is gone.
750
00:38:20,498 --> 00:38:22,699
The real question is,
751
00:38:22,767 --> 00:38:26,068
How do you feel
about the case 24 years later
752
00:38:26,237 --> 00:38:29,939
That you have put together
against matt mccuen?
753
00:38:29,941 --> 00:38:33,542
"b", set the framework for
the dynamics in this family.
754
00:38:33,678 --> 00:38:35,512
The appearance
they gave everyone
755
00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:37,513
Was that everything was fine,
but the reality of it
756
00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:40,016
Was there was
a lot more friction
757
00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:42,685
Going on in the house
that not everyone knew about.
758
00:38:42,721 --> 00:38:45,788
When matt was younger,
his mother, who was a teacher,
759
00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:48,158
Was very strict with him.
760
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:59,001
The stress caused
by their expectations
761
00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:01,170
Was definitely visible.
762
00:39:01,372 --> 00:39:03,239
When talking to barbara,
she kind of shed some light
763
00:39:03,375 --> 00:39:04,774
On altercations that took place
764
00:39:04,909 --> 00:39:06,175
That they hid
from everybody else.
765
00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:09,412
I asked mike what was
that bruise on his face.
766
00:39:09,547 --> 00:39:11,180
And he said
he was mowing the lawn.
767
00:39:11,249 --> 00:39:14,316
And matthew came out there
and jumped on mike
768
00:39:14,318 --> 00:39:15,652
While mike was mowing.
769
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,287
What about temper
and volatility?
770
00:39:18,289 --> 00:39:21,491
A situation at school
where matt was so intense
771
00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:23,960
That he would end up
putting blood on his face
772
00:39:23,962 --> 00:39:25,662
Before going out
to play football.
773
00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:37,473
He had an incident with
his birthday at the lake,
774
00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:40,242
Where somebody pushed him
into the lake, and he actually
775
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:41,678
Took out some type
of knife and cut himself.
776
00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:45,382
He cut himself?
777
00:39:51,356 --> 00:39:55,257
Let's back up now to
the odd movements on Friday.
778
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:59,863
He went to ... Apartment.
They said he never did that.
779
00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:03,165
Was it a normal occurrence
for him to be drinking at 2 a.M.
780
00:40:03,167 --> 00:40:05,067
And come by your apartment?
781
00:40:05,203 --> 00:40:06,769
Of all the times
to have done that,
782
00:40:06,905 --> 00:40:09,872
The one time you do is the day
your dad's found murdered.
783
00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:12,509
Talking about motive,
financial and personal.
784
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:14,310
Remember, for financial,
785
00:40:14,312 --> 00:40:16,278
Matt was not pleased
daddy was dating.
786
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:17,514
- Right.
- Matt wasn't pleased
787
00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:19,181
That there was
a new co-beneficiary
788
00:40:19,184 --> 00:40:20,817
On the insurance policy
that recently happened
789
00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:23,118
Because he's supposed
to be the sole heir.
790
00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:27,323
I got--I think it was $20,000.
791
00:40:27,325 --> 00:40:29,459
All right, so for those people
that wanna say,
792
00:40:29,461 --> 00:40:31,694
"oh, matt mccuen
would never do that,"
793
00:40:31,696 --> 00:40:34,730
The matt mccuen that we know
is the same matt mccuen
794
00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:37,500
That started lying
about his life
795
00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:39,635
And his grades
and his education.
796
00:40:39,804 --> 00:40:41,904
He would have known
in the fall of '99
797
00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:43,439
That he wasn't graduating.
798
00:40:43,575 --> 00:40:46,242
His father didn't know.
His friends didn't know.
799
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:47,710
His fraternity brothers
didn't know.
800
00:40:47,846 --> 00:40:48,711
His roommates didn't know.
801
00:40:48,913 --> 00:40:51,047
So he hid that fact
from everyone.
802
00:40:51,216 --> 00:40:53,315
In this perfect
mccuen family facade
803
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:56,318
That everybody in pelzer
thinks exist,
804
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,387
Who's about to blow it up?
805
00:40:58,389 --> 00:41:02,659
Why may 27, 2000?
You can make that very clear.
806
00:41:02,727 --> 00:41:05,494
'cause graduation was like the
ding, ding, ding, ding, ding,
807
00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,764
And the world falls apart,
and he knew it.
808
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:10,366
So with all that in the pot,
809
00:41:10,535 --> 00:41:12,368
What's your plan
right now, michael?
810
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:13,970
To present it to a prosecutor
811
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,605
And talk about filing
possible charges
812
00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:17,473
For murder for matt mccuen.
813
00:41:17,675 --> 00:41:18,908
This is a good case,
814
00:41:19,043 --> 00:41:21,844
And y'all deserve
to get the answer you want,
815
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:24,113
And I can't wait
to hear back from you.
816
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:35,024
This family's been
wanting justice for a long time.
817
00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:36,892
Hopefully,
she takes this as good news
818
00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:38,527
And knows that we're
doing everything we can
819
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:40,262
To try to move forward
with this case.
820
00:41:40,398 --> 00:41:41,631
Siegler: Yeah.
821
00:41:41,766 --> 00:41:43,165
We believe
that we have compiled
822
00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:46,202
A circumstantial evidence case
against matt mccuen
823
00:41:46,371 --> 00:41:48,137
For the murder
of his father, mike mccuen.
824
00:41:48,139 --> 00:41:50,439
- Good to see you again.
- Good to see you.
825
00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:51,774
- Miss barbara.
- How you doing?
826
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:53,409
Good. How are you?
827
00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:56,378
And now it's time
to update mike's sister barbara
828
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:57,013
On our progress.
829
00:41:57,548 --> 00:41:59,916
We've talked to a lot of people,
830
00:41:59,918 --> 00:42:02,218
And I'm happy with the way
the investigation is going.
831
00:42:02,553 --> 00:42:04,654
I'm just here to tell you
that at this point,
832
00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:07,423
We're going to go forward and
talk to the solicitor's office,
833
00:42:07,425 --> 00:42:09,258
And I've got a meeting
with them tomorrow
834
00:42:09,294 --> 00:42:11,293
To talk to them about the case
835
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:14,597
And the possibility of bringing
charges against matt mccuen
836
00:42:14,732 --> 00:42:16,799
For the death of mike mccuen.
837
00:42:19,137 --> 00:42:21,337
I'm glad.
838
00:42:21,506 --> 00:42:23,172
The evidence
and the facts of this case
839
00:42:23,375 --> 00:42:28,110
Points to nobody else
but matthew mccuen.
840
00:42:28,246 --> 00:42:30,579
It was very unnecessary.
841
00:42:30,648 --> 00:42:32,915
That could have
been settled another way.
842
00:42:33,051 --> 00:42:35,051
That didn't have to happen.
843
00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:36,386
That's right. Yeah.
844
00:42:36,555 --> 00:42:38,988
I'm sad.
845
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:41,491
But in the long run,
I think it's the best thing
846
00:42:41,693 --> 00:42:43,493
For everybody to find out.
847
00:42:43,662 --> 00:42:47,296
I'm glad there's
still people out there that care
848
00:42:47,299 --> 00:42:49,999
And wanna do the right thing
by everybody.
849
00:42:50,134 --> 00:42:52,535
That's really something
to be thankful for.
850
00:42:52,737 --> 00:42:55,104
Cash: We wanna bring it
to a resolution
851
00:42:55,106 --> 00:42:57,005
And put somebody in jail
852
00:42:57,008 --> 00:42:59,208
And put 'em eventually in prison
for what they did.
853
00:42:59,411 --> 00:43:01,377
These two guys
are invested in your case.
854
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:03,312
You should see
how committed they are,
855
00:43:03,315 --> 00:43:05,748
Talking to all the witnesses,
and they were all very helpful.
856
00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:08,217
Everybody was cooperative. Okay?
857
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:10,953
So that should make you feel
good that people care that much
858
00:43:11,155 --> 00:43:12,388
24 years later.
859
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,623
Everybody believes
that mike deserves justice.
860
00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:17,193
But let's just hope
a little bit longer, okay?
861
00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:19,261
Okay. [chuckles]
862
00:43:19,463 --> 00:43:23,700
Barbara has waited 24 years
to hear someone tell her
863
00:43:23,901 --> 00:43:25,501
What law enforcement believes
happened to her brother.
864
00:43:25,503 --> 00:43:27,036
And our hope
865
00:43:27,238 --> 00:43:28,871
Is that the 10th judicial
circuit solicitor's office
866
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,840
Would move forward
with this case.
867
00:43:30,842 --> 00:43:32,708
Until then, our hope
868
00:43:32,877 --> 00:43:35,745
Is that we brought her
some kind of peace.
869
00:43:35,914 --> 00:43:40,049
[woman vocalizing]