1 00:00:12,345 --> 00:00:18,016 ♪♪♪ 2 00:00:18,085 --> 00:00:24,356 ♪ say my last goodbye ♪ 3 00:00:24,424 --> 00:00:30,329 ♪ silently, silently ♪ 4 00:00:30,397 --> 00:00:32,464 Siegler: Tell me again how long you were at milwaukee pd. 5 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:33,865 Spingola: 30 years. 6 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:35,467 Siegler: So when you were reading this file 7 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:38,303 From 1987, did you see a lot of things 8 00:00:38,372 --> 00:00:39,571 That kind of jogged your memory? 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,206 Yep. They came and talked to us once 10 00:00:41,208 --> 00:00:42,841 When I was a lieutenant in milwaukee about this case. 11 00:00:42,910 --> 00:00:44,075 I remember this. 12 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:45,677 Siegler: I'm here with steve 13 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:47,045 In his home state of wisconsin, 14 00:00:47,114 --> 00:00:50,482 And we're looking into the 1987 15 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:52,917 Very brutal abduction and murder 16 00:00:52,987 --> 00:00:56,889 Of 28-year-old mom derby wagner-richardson. 17 00:00:56,957 --> 00:01:00,158 Derby starts out with a troubled past, 18 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:03,094 But, uh, towards the end here, she has turned herself around. 19 00:01:03,164 --> 00:01:04,196 She's got her daughters to take care of. 20 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:07,432 She's working three jobs. She was working her tail off. 21 00:01:07,501 --> 00:01:09,634 Siegler: Derby was a rebellious teen. 22 00:01:09,703 --> 00:01:12,303 She ran away from home at 14 years of age 23 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:14,606 And got married young to the wrong man. 24 00:01:14,675 --> 00:01:17,509 But they did have two beautiful daughters together, 25 00:01:17,578 --> 00:01:20,044 And she was getting a divorce and beginning 26 00:01:20,046 --> 00:01:22,915 A new chapter of her life when it was all taken from her. 27 00:01:22,983 --> 00:01:24,216 Spingola: The night in question, 28 00:01:24,284 --> 00:01:26,585 She's working at styberg as a guard. 29 00:01:26,653 --> 00:01:28,186 She's supposed to check in every hour. 30 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:30,054 At 1:00, she doesn't check in, 31 00:01:30,056 --> 00:01:32,357 And adt notifies the guard service, 32 00:01:32,426 --> 00:01:34,392 Who notifies racine pd. 33 00:01:34,394 --> 00:01:37,729 They search, and lo and behold, close to styberg, 34 00:01:37,798 --> 00:01:41,099 They find her car, dripping with blood from the trunk. 35 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:43,368 Pop the trunk, and there she is with her throat 36 00:01:43,436 --> 00:01:46,705 And her wrists, I mean, slashed to the bone. 37 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:49,508 I remember reading about derby's case in the early 1990s 38 00:01:49,576 --> 00:01:51,243 When the racine police department approached us 39 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:52,844 While I was in milwaukee 40 00:01:52,913 --> 00:01:55,046 And asked our police department to review the case. 41 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:57,115 And while they've put together some pieces since then, 42 00:01:57,183 --> 00:01:58,650 There's still a lot of questions to be answered-- 43 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:00,986 For derby's family and the community. 44 00:02:01,054 --> 00:02:03,122 Derby was trying to get her life straight. 45 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:05,457 So those three jobs that she had 46 00:02:05,525 --> 00:02:08,393 Have a world of witnesses that hopefully are still alive 47 00:02:08,462 --> 00:02:09,694 And have their memories intact today 48 00:02:09,763 --> 00:02:11,329 Where they can help us with this case, 49 00:02:11,398 --> 00:02:14,666 Because if her friends at the end aren't around 50 00:02:14,735 --> 00:02:18,637 And able to help us, then this case is gonna be impossible. 51 00:02:21,175 --> 00:02:22,407 - Hi. - Man: Hello. 52 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:23,942 - How are you, buddy? - How you doing? 53 00:02:24,011 --> 00:02:25,210 - Nice. Good. You look good. - Good seeing you. 54 00:02:25,279 --> 00:02:26,511 - Proud of you. - Thank you. 55 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:28,246 - Deputy chief, right? - Yes. Jessie metoyer. 56 00:02:28,315 --> 00:02:29,814 - Steve spingola. - Nice to meet you. 57 00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:31,516 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 58 00:02:31,518 --> 00:02:33,485 - Detective scarvers. - So you know him? 59 00:02:33,554 --> 00:02:35,687 Yeah, yeah, he was my teacher back in the day. 60 00:02:35,689 --> 00:02:37,656 I remember the day you were in class, 61 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:38,490 And I saw you looking at the cell phone. 62 00:02:38,559 --> 00:02:40,492 I was gonna yell at you. And all of a sudden, 63 00:02:40,561 --> 00:02:41,960 He turned around with that look in his face. 64 00:02:42,028 --> 00:02:42,895 He says, "hey, something just happened 65 00:02:42,963 --> 00:02:44,362 At the boston marathon." 66 00:02:44,431 --> 00:02:46,030 And we turned the television on. 67 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:47,766 It was the bombing at the boston marathon. 68 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:49,634 That's exactly right, yeah. 69 00:02:49,636 --> 00:02:51,136 Lauer: Steve was one of my instructors 70 00:02:51,204 --> 00:02:54,372 At the local technical college here in racine. 71 00:02:54,441 --> 00:02:56,308 Early on in that, I decide I want to take 72 00:02:56,376 --> 00:02:57,742 Any class that he teaches 73 00:02:57,811 --> 00:03:00,312 'cause he's obviously full of knowledge. 74 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:03,348 Closing this case is-is priority number one right now. 75 00:03:03,416 --> 00:03:06,284 Getting the-the expertise from kelly and steve, 76 00:03:06,286 --> 00:03:08,420 Being able to pick their brain is truly amazing. 77 00:03:08,488 --> 00:03:10,856 Well, let's put all this wisconsin... 78 00:03:10,924 --> 00:03:11,823 - [chuckles] - ...Love together 79 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:13,058 And see how far we can get. 80 00:03:13,126 --> 00:03:14,125 Y'all got a place for us to work? 81 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:15,426 - We do. - Yes, we do. 82 00:03:15,428 --> 00:03:16,561 All right, let's go. Lead the way. 83 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:17,896 - All right. - Spingola: It's nice to be 84 00:03:17,964 --> 00:03:19,498 In wisconsin, to be able to come back 85 00:03:19,566 --> 00:03:22,967 And now work with people that I taught in school. 86 00:03:23,037 --> 00:03:24,603 It makes me feel pretty good to see that some of these people 87 00:03:24,671 --> 00:03:26,238 Have advanced to the level 88 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:28,207 That they're investigating cold cases. 89 00:03:28,275 --> 00:03:31,210 Hopefully, we can put something together here. 90 00:03:31,278 --> 00:03:34,512 Okay, let's start off by putting our pictures 91 00:03:34,581 --> 00:03:36,415 Up on the board of derby. 92 00:03:36,483 --> 00:03:39,984 She was a mother of two. 93 00:03:40,054 --> 00:03:42,821 She met fred when she was a teenager. 94 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:44,890 She had a rough teenage years. 95 00:03:44,958 --> 00:03:46,558 She ran away at 14 96 00:03:46,627 --> 00:03:48,693 And was dancing for fred at 16 97 00:03:48,695 --> 00:03:51,463 At a bar that fred owned. 98 00:03:51,531 --> 00:03:53,698 She married very young at 18. 99 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:55,433 There was quite a bit of abuse history, 100 00:03:55,502 --> 00:03:57,268 Both physical and mental. 101 00:03:57,338 --> 00:04:00,639 I think it was kind of a living nightmare 102 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:02,440 For a long time for her. 103 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:04,376 Eventually, she was able to get the courage 104 00:04:04,444 --> 00:04:06,344 To separate from fred 105 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:08,547 And immediately wanted to start a new life. 106 00:04:08,615 --> 00:04:11,883 This is the uniform we think she was wearing that night, huh? 107 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:13,384 That's correct, yep. 108 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:16,254 At the time of her death, she was--worked three jobs. 109 00:04:16,322 --> 00:04:18,256 Security guard, third shift on the weekends, 110 00:04:18,324 --> 00:04:19,524 12-hour shifts. 111 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,359 And then during the week, she's working 112 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:24,462 At a nursing center down in kenosha 113 00:04:24,531 --> 00:04:27,399 And also as an instructor up here at the ywca. 114 00:04:27,467 --> 00:04:29,901 She was just doing anything she could to-- 115 00:04:29,970 --> 00:04:32,704 To pay the bills for her and her daughters. 116 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:35,907 Okay, so let's start talking about y'all's case. 117 00:04:35,976 --> 00:04:38,710 Where do you want to start? - So, uh, 118 00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:41,846 On 3/22 of '87, derby missed her clock-in 119 00:04:41,915 --> 00:04:45,383 At work as a security guard at 1:00 a.M., 120 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:47,786 Which then alerted the security company 121 00:04:47,854 --> 00:04:49,521 To know that she didn't check in. 122 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:51,890 So the supervisor came down, 123 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:54,559 Realized she wasn't there, and then called racine pd, 124 00:04:54,628 --> 00:04:56,628 And they sent over an initial officer, 125 00:04:56,697 --> 00:04:59,397 And he searches inside this huge building 126 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:01,400 Looking for her, but she wasn't there, 127 00:05:01,468 --> 00:05:03,301 Her car wasn't there. 128 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:06,905 They found her-her jacket sleeves pulled through, 129 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:09,107 You know, like it was tugged off you. 130 00:05:09,109 --> 00:05:12,443 There was an office that seemed to be disheveled. 131 00:05:12,513 --> 00:05:14,813 Investigators found derby's jacket and a broken clock 132 00:05:14,881 --> 00:05:16,314 In the lunch room, where she often folded 133 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:17,816 Her daughter's laundry 134 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:19,751 In between the security rounds at styberg. 135 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:20,986 And there was signs of a struggle 136 00:05:21,054 --> 00:05:22,787 At a nearby office where the door 137 00:05:22,789 --> 00:05:24,189 Had actually been kicked in. 138 00:05:24,257 --> 00:05:25,924 It appears derby had been attacked 139 00:05:25,926 --> 00:05:27,692 And abducted in her own car. 140 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,895 So the officer contacts other officers, 141 00:05:30,897 --> 00:05:33,231 And law enforcement starts to show up in numbers. 142 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,033 So they're looking all over for her. 143 00:05:35,101 --> 00:05:37,502 Yep. Pretty soon into it, they started finding 144 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:38,770 Pieces of evidence scattered 145 00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:40,405 Throughout the town. 146 00:05:40,473 --> 00:05:42,440 They find her makeup bag 147 00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:43,542 And her car keys, 148 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:45,644 Shoes, shirt. 149 00:05:45,712 --> 00:05:48,680 Her appointment book is found way out of town. 150 00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:50,715 So someone took a lot of effort 151 00:05:50,784 --> 00:05:52,250 To scatter this stuff 152 00:05:52,318 --> 00:05:54,252 All the way going out to the country. 153 00:05:54,321 --> 00:05:55,486 They're looking for the car, too, right, 154 00:05:55,556 --> 00:05:56,988 Because derby's car is gone. 155 00:05:56,990 --> 00:06:00,058 Lo and behold, at about 8:00 Sunday morning, 156 00:06:00,126 --> 00:06:01,493 An officer sees it 157 00:06:01,561 --> 00:06:05,229 Right across from styberg down an alley. 158 00:06:05,231 --> 00:06:07,966 He approaches the car, and then he notices 159 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:11,102 There's blood dripping from the trunk. 160 00:06:11,171 --> 00:06:14,172 And that's where they found derby deceased. 161 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:18,076 She was stripped down to adjust her socks on 162 00:06:18,144 --> 00:06:21,780 And was bound with white duct tape around her mouth. 163 00:06:21,848 --> 00:06:25,416 And her throat had been slit, as well as both wrists. 164 00:06:25,486 --> 00:06:27,518 Many people in the file called it overkill 165 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,155 With just how gruesome it was. 166 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,857 This whole story is so bizarre. 167 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:35,059 And that was part-- the whole problem here. 168 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:36,361 Spingola: Investigators at the scene 169 00:06:36,363 --> 00:06:39,197 Tested for fingerprints, fibers, and dna, 170 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:41,466 But found no incriminating evidence. 171 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:43,601 And while we always need to consider an unknown person 172 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:45,970 May be responsible for this murder, 173 00:06:45,972 --> 00:06:48,172 Derby's homicide appears very personal. 174 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:49,908 And she only had one known enemy, 175 00:06:49,976 --> 00:06:51,609 Her soon-to-be ex-husband. 176 00:06:51,678 --> 00:06:54,112 Okay, so we got two pictures of fred here. 177 00:06:54,180 --> 00:06:56,714 Those are mug shots from our database. 178 00:06:56,783 --> 00:06:59,518 He's about 18 years derby's senior. 179 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:00,785 Siegler: Let's start with the-- 180 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:02,554 Like, the personality profile of fred. 181 00:07:02,622 --> 00:07:04,722 Go back to his army days. 182 00:07:04,791 --> 00:07:07,191 Do we know much about what kind of person he was back then? 183 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:10,929 So he entered the military under, uh, an assumed name. 184 00:07:10,997 --> 00:07:12,997 Not long into his service, 185 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:16,268 He was broke on a night where he wanted 186 00:07:16,336 --> 00:07:17,635 To go out to the bar 187 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:19,771 And decided to hide in some bushes 188 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,809 And jump the first person that, uh, crossed his path. 189 00:07:24,811 --> 00:07:28,980 So he got convicted of a robbery and sent to leavenworth. 190 00:07:28,982 --> 00:07:31,249 He got five years. I don't think he does the full five, 191 00:07:31,317 --> 00:07:33,084 But then is dishonorably discharged. 192 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:35,086 He ends up up here in wisconsin, 193 00:07:35,088 --> 00:07:37,922 Ends up committing another robbery. 194 00:07:37,991 --> 00:07:40,692 Two, actually, within a-- a short period of time. 195 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,426 Sentenced to 15 years, but only does 196 00:07:42,496 --> 00:07:43,828 A short bid on it. 197 00:07:43,897 --> 00:07:46,097 Before he's 30 years old, fred has been 198 00:07:46,166 --> 00:07:47,966 To leavenworth and waupun... 199 00:07:48,034 --> 00:07:49,334 - Yes. - ...Here in wisconsin. 200 00:07:49,402 --> 00:07:50,869 - Correct. - Shortly after 201 00:07:50,937 --> 00:07:54,238 He gets out of prison for the second time, he gets a bar. 202 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,674 It was a legit bar, but then he gets caught 203 00:07:56,743 --> 00:07:59,677 With some nude dancers in his bar. 204 00:07:59,746 --> 00:08:01,479 Fred met derby 205 00:08:01,548 --> 00:08:03,648 While she was working for him in the bar. 206 00:08:03,717 --> 00:08:05,950 Siegler: And at this time that fred meets derby, 207 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:07,619 She's still only 16. 208 00:08:07,687 --> 00:08:10,622 And then they started their relationship. 209 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:12,523 Siegler: Fred was a career criminal, 210 00:08:12,593 --> 00:08:14,392 But he was still able to own a bar 211 00:08:14,461 --> 00:08:17,495 And a few low-income housing units around town. 212 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:19,697 He had a reputation for being ruthless 213 00:08:19,766 --> 00:08:21,432 In his business dealings 214 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,701 And in his personal relationships. 215 00:08:23,770 --> 00:08:25,970 She leaves frank in June of '86, right? 216 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:27,605 - Separated? - Lauer: Yep. 217 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:29,508 Spingola: And then she filed in December for a divorce. 218 00:08:29,576 --> 00:08:32,710 He assaulted derby, 219 00:08:32,779 --> 00:08:35,246 And he actually choked her unconscious in January 220 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:38,016 When derby was slightly late to pick up the girls from fred. 221 00:08:38,084 --> 00:08:39,717 And he does that in front of the kids. 222 00:08:39,786 --> 00:08:40,919 That's even special. 223 00:08:40,987 --> 00:08:42,320 She had to go seek medical attention. 224 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:44,256 She's got that head injury, eyes have got 225 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:46,291 Petechial hemorrhaging and all kinds of stuff. 226 00:08:46,359 --> 00:08:48,659 He breaks his hand punching her. 227 00:08:48,729 --> 00:08:50,328 That's a pretty hard punch. 228 00:08:50,396 --> 00:08:53,264 He tells the doctor he fell on the ice. 229 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:54,866 Spingola: January, she gets a temporary restraining order. 230 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:58,302 But the main thing is we know 231 00:08:58,372 --> 00:09:02,240 What happened on Friday, March 21st. 232 00:09:02,308 --> 00:09:04,075 There is a meeting at the lawyer's office. 233 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:05,810 Siegler: The meeting was all over money, right? 234 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:07,779 - Lauer: Right. - And how does the meeting go? 235 00:09:07,847 --> 00:09:09,047 Not well for fred. 236 00:09:09,115 --> 00:09:11,249 That's where he realizes 237 00:09:11,317 --> 00:09:13,651 Just how much he's about to lose. 238 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,153 Spingola: The final offer from them 239 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:16,888 Was 50% of the properties 240 00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:18,756 And 25% of the rent. 241 00:09:18,825 --> 00:09:20,158 And what were fred's words 242 00:09:20,226 --> 00:09:21,792 As he walked out the door that day? 243 00:09:21,794 --> 00:09:23,962 That's when he said, "I'm hurt. I'm really hurt." 244 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:25,930 - "I don't like to be hurt." - yeah. 245 00:09:25,999 --> 00:09:28,800 And how did derby and the lawyer take that? 246 00:09:28,868 --> 00:09:30,769 Lauer: The color left derby's face, 247 00:09:30,837 --> 00:09:33,171 Per derby's attorney, nathan. 248 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:36,607 So he called and made a report with the police. 249 00:09:36,609 --> 00:09:38,910 He wanted her to have extra attention at her place of work 250 00:09:38,978 --> 00:09:41,312 Because of the volatile divorce that was happening. 251 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:43,748 Siegler: I've never heard of a divorce lawyer 252 00:09:43,817 --> 00:09:46,250 Feeling the need to call the police 253 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:49,053 Because he's so concerned about a client's welfare. 254 00:09:49,122 --> 00:09:51,289 But that's what happened in this case. 255 00:09:51,357 --> 00:09:53,057 Unfortunately, the divorce lawyer 256 00:09:53,126 --> 00:09:54,792 Who made that call has passed away. 257 00:09:54,861 --> 00:09:57,896 But because the police department documented that 258 00:09:57,964 --> 00:10:00,164 And then took action based on that call, 259 00:10:00,233 --> 00:10:01,700 It becomes admissible. 260 00:10:01,768 --> 00:10:04,235 She's in the system for needing extra attention. 261 00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:06,905 And how many hours later is she needing extra attention? 262 00:10:06,973 --> 00:10:08,573 - 12 hours. - 12. 263 00:10:08,641 --> 00:10:10,008 Spingola: The only person in the world 264 00:10:10,010 --> 00:10:11,676 That benefited from derby's death, 265 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:13,044 And it's clearly fred. 266 00:10:13,113 --> 00:10:14,245 But we've got to prove that. 267 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:15,914 What you've got here 268 00:10:15,982 --> 00:10:17,649 Is basically a circumstantial case. 269 00:10:17,717 --> 00:10:19,650 - Okay. - And most of the d.A.S 270 00:10:19,652 --> 00:10:21,686 Do not want to take circumstantial cases. 271 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:23,154 Y'all look through your notes, see if there's anything 272 00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:25,556 We forgot to put up here. - Of all of the cases, 273 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:29,827 Intentional homicide has the highest proof rate, 274 00:10:29,896 --> 00:10:32,564 And that's the way it should be, because it's a life in prison. 275 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:35,133 And to get over that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt 276 00:10:35,201 --> 00:10:36,934 Is a tough standard. 277 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:40,671 Is there anything found at styberg 278 00:10:40,673 --> 00:10:42,073 That connects to him? 279 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,508 I don't think so. 280 00:10:44,510 --> 00:10:45,810 I think if there was, we wouldn't be here today. 281 00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:50,649 ♪♪♪ 282 00:10:50,717 --> 00:10:53,884 [birds cawing] 283 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:57,388 ♪♪♪ 284 00:10:57,457 --> 00:11:00,124 Siegler: Today we're meeting with derby's brother and aunt. 285 00:11:00,193 --> 00:11:02,527 Her mom, who fought for years 286 00:11:02,595 --> 00:11:04,462 To get her justice has passed away. 287 00:11:04,530 --> 00:11:06,231 - Hey, how are you? - I'm doing good. 288 00:11:06,299 --> 00:11:08,032 Siegler: From what we understand, 289 00:11:08,101 --> 00:11:11,302 Derby and fred's two daughters were raised by fred. 290 00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:13,805 And because they spent their childhood growing up 291 00:11:13,873 --> 00:11:16,741 With him, his side is the side they've taken. 292 00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:18,643 So if you could, just maybe just, you know, 293 00:11:18,711 --> 00:11:21,245 Fill us in on, you know, who you knew her as. 294 00:11:21,314 --> 00:11:25,617 She was my big sister and she was a protector. 295 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:27,752 And, uh, 296 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:30,522 She was just always putting other people first. 297 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,925 She was fiercely independent. 298 00:11:34,995 --> 00:11:36,393 Siegler: She seemed pretty feisty. 299 00:11:36,395 --> 00:11:38,129 Linder: Yeah, she was. 300 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:41,032 Derby had the most delightful giggle. 301 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:43,067 I just loved to hear her laugh. 302 00:11:43,069 --> 00:11:47,771 And my dad liked to tell these really horrible, 303 00:11:47,773 --> 00:11:51,810 Stupid jokes, and... [chuckles] and they would laugh together. 304 00:11:51,878 --> 00:11:53,745 She was just very, very loving. 305 00:11:53,813 --> 00:11:55,613 She was a really good mom. 306 00:11:55,682 --> 00:11:58,849 She kind of put it all on herself and, uh, 307 00:11:58,851 --> 00:12:02,554 I guess just... Wasn't enough. 308 00:12:04,858 --> 00:12:07,559 Bryon, when everything happened, can you talk about 309 00:12:07,627 --> 00:12:10,161 How it affected your mom or your sister, and-- 310 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,263 Like the call she started fighting? 311 00:12:12,265 --> 00:12:15,667 Well, yeah, it basically preoccupied 312 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,301 My mother's life, 313 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:20,804 Came first before anything else. 314 00:12:20,806 --> 00:12:22,873 Schmidt: She was very, very involved 315 00:12:22,943 --> 00:12:24,942 With parents of murdered children, 316 00:12:25,011 --> 00:12:27,611 A group there in the madison area. 317 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:29,947 I know that she wrote letters and wrote letters 318 00:12:30,016 --> 00:12:33,251 And wrote letters, and that was always present, 319 00:12:33,319 --> 00:12:37,755 That she wanted to get this solved and get justice. 320 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,257 She would be very pleased 321 00:12:39,325 --> 00:12:40,958 That you're doing this, I can tell you that. 322 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,827 - Yes. - Yes. 323 00:12:42,896 --> 00:12:45,096 Ruth, she was a bulldog. [chuckles] 324 00:12:45,164 --> 00:12:47,565 She went after something, she went after it big time, 325 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:51,369 And she was going to get justice for derby, 326 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:56,040 And that's all there was to it, and she tried so hard. 327 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:58,543 Her daughter asked ruth if she believed 328 00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:03,647 That fred was responsible, and-and ruth said yes. 329 00:13:03,649 --> 00:13:05,749 And she said, "then we can't-- 330 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:09,787 We can't have anything to do with you anymore." 331 00:13:09,856 --> 00:13:12,056 And that was very difficult for her. 332 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:14,091 You know, the truth might be something 333 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,494 They don't want to hear. 334 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:18,429 We wouldn't stir this all up again 335 00:13:18,498 --> 00:13:20,164 If we didn't feel like we could try to get somewhere. 336 00:13:20,233 --> 00:13:21,833 - Right. - And then when we get it 337 00:13:21,901 --> 00:13:23,468 All done, we'll come back and tell you all what all we can. 338 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:25,603 - Okay. - Thank you. 339 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:28,406 Siegler: This case is 37 years old, 340 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:30,308 And we need something else. 341 00:13:30,376 --> 00:13:32,376 We have to find a witness 342 00:13:32,445 --> 00:13:34,912 That adds something else to this story, to this case, 343 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,115 To this evidence, to get to where we need to be. 344 00:13:37,183 --> 00:13:40,885 And you just don't want to meet families 345 00:13:40,954 --> 00:13:44,222 And get their hopes up and make it all for nothing. 346 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:45,957 The pressure is big, 347 00:13:46,025 --> 00:13:48,626 And you don't want to disappoint anybody. 348 00:13:48,628 --> 00:13:51,095 [geese honking] 349 00:14:01,506 --> 00:14:03,341 How far is it across one side of racine 350 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:04,709 To the other in minutes? 351 00:14:04,777 --> 00:14:06,477 - About 15 minutes. - Okay. 352 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:10,381 Yes. It's all very close. 353 00:14:10,449 --> 00:14:12,583 Siegler: Derby wagner-richardson's mom 354 00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:14,518 Was convinced that she was murdered 355 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:16,154 By her estranged husband, fred. 356 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:18,356 If fred did do it, we're going to need 357 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:20,191 Circumstantial evidence to convince 358 00:14:20,259 --> 00:14:22,393 A prosecutor and a jury. 359 00:14:22,462 --> 00:14:24,495 And that circumstantial evidence has to be enough 360 00:14:24,564 --> 00:14:26,998 To convince them beyond a reasonable doubt. 361 00:14:27,066 --> 00:14:28,867 How old was she back then? 362 00:14:28,935 --> 00:14:32,336 She was born in '69, so she was 18. 363 00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:34,104 We need to talk to everybody that we can, 364 00:14:34,106 --> 00:14:36,840 People that know anything about their relationship, 365 00:14:36,842 --> 00:14:38,576 People that know anything about what might have happened 366 00:14:38,645 --> 00:14:42,246 That night, starting with derby's babysitter, 367 00:14:42,314 --> 00:14:44,815 Who was actually watching the girls that very night. 368 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,985 I was her babysitter. She had two little girls. 369 00:14:48,054 --> 00:14:49,954 - Okay. - And, uh, 370 00:14:50,023 --> 00:14:51,889 Usually she'd come back home in the morning 371 00:14:51,958 --> 00:14:53,924 'cause she worked third shift. -Mm-hmm. 372 00:14:53,926 --> 00:14:55,993 She never showed up. Her little girls are asking, 373 00:14:56,062 --> 00:14:57,428 "where's mommy? Where's mommy?" 374 00:14:57,497 --> 00:14:59,597 I said, "well, honey, I don't know right now." 375 00:14:59,665 --> 00:15:02,700 And, um, so I took them to my house. 376 00:15:02,768 --> 00:15:05,737 Got a knock at the door that they had found her, 377 00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:09,007 Um, in the trunk of her car. 378 00:15:09,009 --> 00:15:10,909 She was going through a really nasty divorce 379 00:15:10,977 --> 00:15:12,910 With her husband at the time. - Okay. 380 00:15:12,979 --> 00:15:16,080 Yeah, and every time she left the house, 381 00:15:16,148 --> 00:15:19,250 She always said, "please, under no circumstances..." 382 00:15:19,318 --> 00:15:20,718 - Mm-hmm. - "if he comes over here, 383 00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:22,286 Do not open the door for him. 384 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:24,789 I don't want him nowhere near the girls." 385 00:15:24,857 --> 00:15:26,757 That was the only instruction she gave me. 386 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:28,259 That was the main thing I was supposed to do, 387 00:15:28,327 --> 00:15:31,062 Not to let him see the-- see the girls if he came by 388 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:33,297 Just wanting to see them. 389 00:15:33,366 --> 00:15:35,132 And-and I remember that, and I s-- 390 00:15:35,201 --> 00:15:36,767 Did he ever come by? 391 00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:38,669 Uh, not-not to my recollection. I don't remember. 392 00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:40,638 Did any strange people or anybody else come by 393 00:15:40,707 --> 00:15:41,773 On his behalf? 394 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:43,974 - Uh, no. - Okay. 395 00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:45,309 And the only thing she was worried about 396 00:15:45,311 --> 00:15:46,477 Was losing her girls. 397 00:15:46,479 --> 00:15:47,378 - Yep. - Mm-hmm. 398 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:48,646 - That's-- - mm-hmm. 399 00:15:48,715 --> 00:15:51,349 It just broke my heart when that happened 400 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:53,417 Because they were so close to their mom. 401 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:55,586 Siegel: At the time of the murder, 402 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,621 Derby had a restraining order against fred, 403 00:15:57,690 --> 00:16:00,992 So legally, he was not supposed to go anywhere near her. 404 00:16:01,060 --> 00:16:04,996 The haunting thing is that restraining order was found, 405 00:16:05,064 --> 00:16:07,298 Along with the contents of derby's purse, 406 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:08,900 Scattered along the road 407 00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:10,701 In the hours that followed her murder, 408 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:11,602 Thrown out by her killer. 409 00:16:14,407 --> 00:16:15,906 Let's start from the beginning. 410 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:19,644 How did you and derby become friends, and... 411 00:16:42,268 --> 00:16:43,801 Scarvers: She said he was screwing with the kids' head. 412 00:16:43,869 --> 00:16:44,769 What did that look like? 413 00:16:48,574 --> 00:16:49,640 Right. 414 00:17:26,846 --> 00:17:28,012 Lauer: Yeah. 415 00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:53,070 Co-worker: She said that fred 416 00:17:53,139 --> 00:17:55,406 Didn't want to give her anything, 417 00:17:55,474 --> 00:17:57,909 And not even the children. 418 00:17:57,977 --> 00:17:59,477 Okay. He wanted the kids, too? 419 00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:00,744 He wanted the kids. 420 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,380 And to my knowledge, 421 00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:06,350 She made it sound like they owned a lot of property and... 422 00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:08,419 Yeah, there was a handful of properties. Yeah. 423 00:18:08,487 --> 00:18:11,222 She was real high strung and nervous 424 00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:14,024 Anytime you mentioned her ex-husband. 425 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:17,628 And next door, there was a bar under there. 426 00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:19,997 So after work, we-- you know, some of us girls 427 00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:21,332 Would all go there. 428 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,567 And one time he was there, 429 00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:25,402 And she and I were dancing, 430 00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:28,539 And she says, "oh, my god, fred's here!" 431 00:18:28,608 --> 00:18:31,109 And she ran to the bathroom. 432 00:18:31,177 --> 00:18:34,212 She-she just was, like, frightened. 433 00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:37,148 So then, uh, we left. 434 00:18:37,216 --> 00:18:40,317 And then I remember one time she came to work, 435 00:18:40,386 --> 00:18:44,088 And her neck was all bruised and red. 436 00:18:44,156 --> 00:18:46,424 - Okay. - And she said that fred 437 00:18:46,492 --> 00:18:50,661 Came and was choking her, and she lost consciousness. 438 00:18:50,663 --> 00:18:53,130 And she said at that time, 439 00:18:53,199 --> 00:18:58,102 "if-if they ever find me dead, it was fred." 440 00:18:58,171 --> 00:19:00,104 - Mm-hmm. Yeah. - [exhales sharply] 441 00:19:00,172 --> 00:19:02,974 Siegler: Unlike most domestic violence victims, 442 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:06,610 Derby wasn't hesitant telling her coworkers and friends 443 00:19:06,612 --> 00:19:08,913 About fred's abuse and threats. 444 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:10,948 I said, "derby, what's wrong? 445 00:19:11,017 --> 00:19:12,450 Are you okay?" she says, 446 00:19:12,518 --> 00:19:14,685 "he tried to kill me the other day." 447 00:19:14,687 --> 00:19:17,822 And I said, "excuse me?" he tried to strangle her. 448 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:19,423 That's what she said. 449 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:22,760 She said if anything happened to her, fred did it, 450 00:19:22,762 --> 00:19:24,595 And that they had a fight 451 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,931 And he pinned her down. 452 00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:28,932 And while the kids were watching, 453 00:19:29,002 --> 00:19:31,936 He said, "bitch, you'll never get my money." 454 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:44,415 - Everyone, this is barb smith. - Hello, barb. 455 00:19:44,483 --> 00:19:45,983 - Hi. - Hi, barb. 456 00:19:46,051 --> 00:19:49,119 Siegler: We've heard firsthand of our suspect 457 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,455 Fred wagner-richardson's physical abuse 458 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:53,957 Of his wife, derby, which prompted her to file 459 00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:55,226 A battery charge 460 00:19:55,294 --> 00:19:57,928 And to get a restraining order against him. 461 00:19:57,997 --> 00:20:00,197 Barbara smith helped file that complaint, 462 00:20:00,266 --> 00:20:02,500 And she might be able to give us some more insight. 463 00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:05,135 So back in the '80s, what'd you do? 464 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,404 I was a victim witness specialist 465 00:20:07,473 --> 00:20:09,773 With the racine county district attorney's office. 466 00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:13,143 We worked with victims throughout the court process, 467 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,345 Everything from domestic violence 468 00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:16,714 To homicide case families. 469 00:20:16,782 --> 00:20:19,282 We met with them one on one, went to court with them. 470 00:20:19,284 --> 00:20:21,418 And do you remember this particular victim? 471 00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:23,854 I do. That was back before 472 00:20:23,923 --> 00:20:26,924 Domestic violence cases were a mandatory arrest policy. 473 00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:29,192 Mandatory arrest means that 474 00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:31,428 It was taken out of the hands of a victim, 475 00:20:31,497 --> 00:20:34,498 Making the decision that the police had to actually 476 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:36,734 Make an arrest if they felt that something had occurred. 477 00:20:36,802 --> 00:20:39,970 But back in 1987, victims actually had to come in 478 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,340 And sign the criminal complaints themselves. 479 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:44,075 And what happens with this case? 480 00:20:44,143 --> 00:20:46,377 I was advised that derby wagner-richardson 481 00:20:46,445 --> 00:20:48,912 Had come in to sign her criminal complaint. 482 00:20:48,914 --> 00:20:51,749 And what was the process as far as getting a tro, 483 00:20:51,817 --> 00:20:53,584 A temporary restraining order back then? 484 00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:56,720 That was separate from the battery complaint. 485 00:20:56,722 --> 00:20:59,456 And I-I don't know if she had the tro already 486 00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:01,692 Before the battery complaint was filed. 487 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:03,560 I remember thinking, they're pretty much 488 00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,663 Just useless and they just piss them off more. 489 00:21:05,731 --> 00:21:07,364 Right. You know, one of the warnings 490 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:09,366 We always gave victims is, 491 00:21:09,368 --> 00:21:11,369 "this is the most dangerous time for you. 492 00:21:11,371 --> 00:21:13,804 When you get the restraining order, once it's served, 493 00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:15,373 Be careful." 494 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:16,840 'cause what happens when you serve 495 00:21:16,842 --> 00:21:18,409 That kind of defendant with a restraining order? 496 00:21:18,477 --> 00:21:22,345 They often retaliate with physical violence. 497 00:21:22,347 --> 00:21:24,548 - I know. - And as she was leaving, 498 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,317 She said, "it doesn't really matter. 499 00:21:26,385 --> 00:21:27,818 He's going to kill me anyway." 500 00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:31,522 Siegler: Mm. 501 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:35,393 And she was the first victim that said that to me. 502 00:21:35,395 --> 00:21:37,128 Siegler: The more we learn about derby, 503 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:39,196 The sadder this case gets. 504 00:21:39,265 --> 00:21:42,065 She told everybody that a storm was coming, 505 00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:46,170 And she and they were still all helpless to stop it. 506 00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:50,173 It is a story that I have seen in my career way too many times. 507 00:21:50,175 --> 00:21:52,910 And even though today there's a whole lot more we can do 508 00:21:52,912 --> 00:21:56,480 For domestic violence victims than they could do 37 years ago, 509 00:21:56,548 --> 00:21:59,383 Intimate partner violence has increased since, 510 00:21:59,451 --> 00:22:02,486 With more than 20 victims every minute. 511 00:22:04,189 --> 00:22:05,856 ♪♪♪ 512 00:22:05,925 --> 00:22:08,392 This is employee parking, as the sign said. 513 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:10,227 Siegler: So it would have been on a Saturday, 514 00:22:10,295 --> 00:22:12,129 So no cars, no people. - Nothing. 515 00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:14,298 - Nobody working but her. - Yep. 516 00:22:14,366 --> 00:22:15,533 Wow. 517 00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:17,334 We're going to styberg engineering. 518 00:22:17,403 --> 00:22:20,404 The people at styberg that derby worked with have 519 00:22:20,473 --> 00:22:23,006 Always been super cooperative in this investigation. 520 00:22:23,008 --> 00:22:24,341 We're gonna meet with the president 521 00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:26,277 Of the company today, who can hopefully walk us 522 00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:28,479 Through the way the procedures worked back then 523 00:22:28,547 --> 00:22:31,482 And try and recreate as best we can 524 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:33,384 How we think everything went down that night. 525 00:22:33,452 --> 00:22:34,951 - This is steve spingola. - Nice to meet you, sir. 526 00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:36,520 - How are you? - Maybe the break we need 527 00:22:36,588 --> 00:22:38,088 Can be found in figuring out 528 00:22:38,157 --> 00:22:40,257 How this crime was carried out. 529 00:22:40,326 --> 00:22:42,025 So she would have came all the way through here? 530 00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:43,127 Man: Yes. 531 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:45,062 Certain spots of the building, 532 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:47,998 There was a little, uh, like, aluminum tray, 533 00:22:48,067 --> 00:22:50,501 And chained to that was a key. 534 00:22:50,569 --> 00:22:54,037 She would have to put that in her clock, turn it, 535 00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:56,106 And it would register that she made 536 00:22:56,175 --> 00:22:58,676 That connection at that spot. 537 00:22:58,744 --> 00:23:00,978 As a night security guard, derby was required to check in 538 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:02,580 Every hour by phone and time clock 539 00:23:02,648 --> 00:23:04,381 While she was on patrol. 540 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:06,717 Her last check-in was at 12:00 midnight, 541 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:08,652 And she missed her 1:00 a.M. Check-in, 542 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:11,822 Giving us a really good window where she was attacked. 543 00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:13,757 And the signs of the struggle in the lunchroom 544 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:15,592 Indicated to us where the attack took place. 545 00:23:15,661 --> 00:23:17,294 So this is the lunchroom area, 546 00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:20,931 And this is the office that had the door broken down. 547 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,900 So where is our door 548 00:23:22,968 --> 00:23:25,002 That she's taking her laundry out from here? 549 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,203 - Over there. - That one right there? 550 00:23:26,272 --> 00:23:27,638 - Yep. - And we think 551 00:23:27,706 --> 00:23:28,939 This was the room that she hung out in, 552 00:23:29,008 --> 00:23:30,607 Doing her laundry? - Correct, yeah. Yep. 553 00:23:30,676 --> 00:23:32,142 - Waiting, being-- - ironing, folding clothes. 554 00:23:32,211 --> 00:23:33,644 Okay. 555 00:23:33,712 --> 00:23:36,380 Derby would frequently fold her daughter's laundry here 556 00:23:36,449 --> 00:23:38,281 Near the lunchroom where this happened. 557 00:23:38,351 --> 00:23:41,017 It's also close to where she would back her car up 558 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:43,320 So she could carry the laundry outside. 559 00:23:43,389 --> 00:23:44,721 So you're thinking that she takes 560 00:23:44,723 --> 00:23:47,324 Her laundry out, the killer follows her in. 561 00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:49,292 That was maybe the point of entry. 562 00:23:49,294 --> 00:23:51,194 Siegler: There were no signs of forced entry 563 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:53,964 In the plant, so police believe that it's likely 564 00:23:54,033 --> 00:23:57,033 That her attacker just followed her back inside. 565 00:23:57,103 --> 00:23:59,536 Where's her jacket with her broken clock in it? 566 00:23:59,605 --> 00:24:01,171 Right here in the cafeteria with-- 567 00:24:01,173 --> 00:24:02,439 - Where? Somewhere in here? - Yep. 568 00:24:02,508 --> 00:24:04,475 With the arms pulled out of it. 569 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:06,644 - Which makes you think? - That's someone's pulling 570 00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:08,879 On the back of your coat, and you're just running out of it. 571 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:10,747 She flees to this office. 572 00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:12,550 This is where you can see that denim imprint. 573 00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:14,017 - Siegler: It was that door? - Yep, 574 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:15,418 As if somebody, you know, threw their hip 575 00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:16,954 Into the door to force it open. 576 00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:19,456 The evidence suggests that derby's attacker 577 00:24:19,524 --> 00:24:21,491 Entered the building, a struggle occurred, 578 00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:23,159 And she tried to escape by locking herself 579 00:24:23,229 --> 00:24:24,462 In a nearby office. 580 00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:26,263 But her assailant broke it open, 581 00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:28,265 Leaving what appeared to be jean prints on the door. 582 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:30,200 Baker: There's pieces of wood all over the place, 583 00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:32,002 Four or five feet out. 584 00:24:32,004 --> 00:24:34,337 That's where the confrontation, you know, 585 00:24:34,339 --> 00:24:36,606 Ended and then got her out to her car. 586 00:24:36,676 --> 00:24:38,708 Spingola: At this point, derby is likely unconscious. 587 00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:41,044 The suspect taped her mouth with the white duct tape 588 00:24:41,113 --> 00:24:43,113 And carried her out to the trunk of her car. 589 00:24:46,118 --> 00:24:47,751 How do you think her car's pulled in? 590 00:24:47,819 --> 00:24:49,787 I think it's backed in right here, 'cause she was 591 00:24:49,855 --> 00:24:51,788 Unloading and loading stuff out of her trunk. 592 00:24:51,857 --> 00:24:53,957 Siegler: Man, what can see you right here? 593 00:24:54,026 --> 00:24:55,692 That's the north gate there. 594 00:24:55,761 --> 00:24:57,594 Spingola: This is when derby's attacker drove derby 595 00:24:57,663 --> 00:25:01,131 To an unknown location, stripped her out of her clothing, 596 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,734 Slashed both of her wrists and her throat, 597 00:25:03,802 --> 00:25:05,569 And then attempted to return the car 598 00:25:05,637 --> 00:25:07,504 With derby's body in the trunk. 599 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:09,706 Where does her car end up with her in the trunk? 600 00:25:09,775 --> 00:25:11,074 You can almost-- probably almost see it 601 00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:12,642 If you walk further. - You can see it. 602 00:25:12,644 --> 00:25:13,577 Lauer: And between the buildings there 603 00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:14,845 Where that old camper is, 604 00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:16,881 That's the alley where the car was. 605 00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:21,652 So this is the alley where derby's car was found. 606 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,154 And as you can see right behind us, there's styberg. 607 00:25:24,223 --> 00:25:25,789 Spingola: My guess is that the attacker returned 608 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:27,624 Back to styberg, because that's where 609 00:25:27,693 --> 00:25:30,227 He parked his car before derby's abduction 610 00:25:30,295 --> 00:25:32,195 And had to come back and retrieve his own car. 611 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:35,666 So her car would have been found right up in here. 612 00:25:35,734 --> 00:25:37,668 And you can imagine how dark this would have been 613 00:25:37,736 --> 00:25:39,269 At 2:00 in the morning. 614 00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:41,605 The officer saw the dealer plates on 615 00:25:41,607 --> 00:25:43,440 A brand-new, shiny car. 616 00:25:43,508 --> 00:25:45,675 And he walked up to it. That's where he noticed 617 00:25:45,677 --> 00:25:48,211 Blood dripping from the trunk 618 00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:50,547 Onto the ground ever so slightly. 619 00:25:50,615 --> 00:25:53,617 But all the spots where stuff was collected around town 620 00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:55,486 That for sure belonged to derby, 621 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:58,856 Is there some rationale or-or logic 622 00:25:58,924 --> 00:26:01,058 To where it's all dropped or anything? 623 00:26:01,126 --> 00:26:03,527 It's a pretty straight path out of town. 624 00:26:03,596 --> 00:26:04,761 Spingola: Obviously trying to leave 625 00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:06,363 A breadcrumb trail out of town. 626 00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:07,998 I mean, why-why else would you do that? 627 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,067 Hours before derby's body was recovered, 628 00:26:10,135 --> 00:26:13,503 Law enforcement had recovered clothing and personal belongings 629 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,106 That were scattered along streets in racine county, 630 00:26:16,175 --> 00:26:18,042 Including her shirt, makeup, 631 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:20,711 And even the restraining order against fred. 632 00:26:20,779 --> 00:26:22,579 The belief here is that the attacker 633 00:26:22,647 --> 00:26:24,447 Actually threw her clothes out of the car 634 00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:26,850 In an attempt to throw off investigators. 635 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:27,918 Maybe that's because they knew 636 00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:29,954 They would be the obvious suspect. 637 00:26:38,396 --> 00:26:43,233 ♪♪♪ 638 00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:45,002 - Siegler: Hello. Dr. Pinneri. - Hi. Good morning. 639 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:46,069 - Morning, everybody. - Hi. 640 00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:47,470 - Hi. - I'm kathy pinneri. 641 00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:48,939 - Detective scarvers. - Nice to meet you. 642 00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:50,473 - Nice to meet you. - Detective todd lauer. 643 00:26:50,475 --> 00:26:52,509 Whoever killed derby could have done it so easily 644 00:26:52,578 --> 00:26:55,178 After knocking her unconscious inside the plant. 645 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:57,715 But they clearly had more sinister and elaborate plans, 646 00:26:57,717 --> 00:26:59,116 And they risked getting caught 647 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:00,751 By carrying out these elaborate plans. 648 00:27:00,819 --> 00:27:03,920 Thank you for inviting me here to review this case. 649 00:27:03,989 --> 00:27:05,622 Let's go ahead and get started here. 650 00:27:05,691 --> 00:27:07,057 Spingola: Hopefully, re-examining derby's injuries 651 00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:09,126 Will tell us even more about her killer. 652 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:10,361 So, she's 28 years old. 653 00:27:10,429 --> 00:27:12,595 She worked as a nighttime security guard. 654 00:27:12,665 --> 00:27:15,265 She is found dead in the trunk of her own vehicle. 655 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:16,800 She's almost nude. 656 00:27:16,869 --> 00:27:19,603 She's just got this one right sock on her foot, 657 00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:22,873 And there's two pieces of bloodstained tape 658 00:27:22,941 --> 00:27:24,274 Going across her mouth. 659 00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:27,143 But if you think about it, that's hard to do 660 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:29,512 Unless somebody is completely subdued, 661 00:27:29,514 --> 00:27:30,781 Because you're going to be fighting them 662 00:27:30,849 --> 00:27:32,750 As they're putting the tape on. 663 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:35,452 In addition to all of that, she has blunt trauma, 664 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:39,322 At least six impacts to the head. 665 00:27:39,391 --> 00:27:41,291 Spingola: It makes sense that derby was rendered unconscious 666 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,093 During the initial attack. 667 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,395 And her mouth was taped shut, so she couldn't scream 668 00:27:45,464 --> 00:27:46,863 If she would awake while being driven 669 00:27:46,932 --> 00:27:48,865 To a different location. 670 00:27:48,934 --> 00:27:50,801 The fact that the suspect brought tape to the scene 671 00:27:50,869 --> 00:27:52,202 Shows premeditation. 672 00:27:52,271 --> 00:27:55,239 But why drive her to a different location? 673 00:27:55,307 --> 00:27:57,240 There's a big pool of blood inside the trunk 674 00:27:57,242 --> 00:27:59,142 By her head and neck area. 675 00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:01,144 And then there is some blood spatter 676 00:28:01,146 --> 00:28:03,746 On some of the items in the trunk. 677 00:28:03,748 --> 00:28:07,684 So she has a gaping-- a really big incised wound 678 00:28:07,753 --> 00:28:09,886 Across the front of her neck. 679 00:28:09,955 --> 00:28:14,391 There is evidence of multiple passes with the knife. 680 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:16,527 It goes about an inch deep. 681 00:28:16,595 --> 00:28:20,431 It goes through the right common carotid artery 682 00:28:20,499 --> 00:28:22,399 And the right jugular vein. 683 00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:25,168 But we also have really, really deep 684 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:28,438 Incised wounds of both hands. 685 00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:32,142 It cuts through muscles, tendons, two arteries, 686 00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:33,977 And then it also cuts the nerves, 687 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:38,582 Which is going to not give her function of that hand. 688 00:28:38,650 --> 00:28:42,619 Additionally, they collected the sexual assault evidence kit. 689 00:28:42,687 --> 00:28:45,088 So it doesn't appear that she was sexually assaulted, 690 00:28:45,156 --> 00:28:48,225 Even though she is almost completely nude. 691 00:28:48,293 --> 00:28:50,493 She was undressed outside of the car. 692 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:53,897 The killer removed her from the car, stripped her naked, 693 00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:56,667 Placed her back into the trunk, where he brutally stabbed her. 694 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,968 But with no signs of a sexual assault, 695 00:28:59,038 --> 00:29:01,304 I think this was done actually to either torture her 696 00:29:01,373 --> 00:29:03,540 Or humiliate her once her body was found. 697 00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:05,008 Pinneri: These are never easy. 698 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:06,643 - I know. Well, thank you. - Sure. 699 00:29:06,712 --> 00:29:08,511 - Thank you very much. - All right, thanks. 700 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:11,481 Derby's killer wanted her to suffer even after her death. 701 00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:12,783 More questions than answers. 702 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:21,958 You guys can have a seat right here. 703 00:29:22,027 --> 00:29:24,995 This is officer burney and officer hurley. 704 00:29:25,063 --> 00:29:26,864 How long y'all been retired? 705 00:29:26,932 --> 00:29:28,498 Six years out of law enforcement. 706 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,767 - Okay. How about you? - 2001. 707 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:31,668 All right. 708 00:29:31,737 --> 00:29:33,303 If fred was the person 709 00:29:33,372 --> 00:29:34,938 Who drove derby to a second location 710 00:29:35,006 --> 00:29:37,507 To strip her and to kill her, 711 00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:38,708 It sure would be nice to prove it. 712 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,510 Fortunately, there are a few clues 713 00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:42,513 In the police report from that night. 714 00:29:42,581 --> 00:29:44,481 So we've asked those two officers 715 00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:46,683 To come down here today and tell us what they can remember. 716 00:29:46,752 --> 00:29:48,785 So, steve, it's my understanding they had you go over, 717 00:29:48,854 --> 00:29:50,721 Sit on one of fred's apartments 718 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,022 After you guys kind of found what you found at styberg. 719 00:29:53,092 --> 00:29:56,459 Yes. Um, the attorney for derby 720 00:29:56,461 --> 00:29:59,062 Called the police department to say that his client 721 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,398 Was in fear of her life from her husband. 722 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:03,700 So, yes, I was dispatched to go over 723 00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:06,869 And sit on one of fred's apartments. 724 00:30:06,871 --> 00:30:09,139 About 4:00 a.M., I arrived. 725 00:30:09,208 --> 00:30:12,509 I noted there was a light on in a southeast room. 726 00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:15,778 That light went out about 4:30 a.M. 727 00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,882 And about 5:00, I was relieved from that assignment. 728 00:30:18,951 --> 00:30:20,984 And that's the apartment above the bar? 729 00:30:21,052 --> 00:30:22,052 - Yes. Yeah. - Yeah. 730 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,154 Siegler: Officer hurley saw a light 731 00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:25,956 In the window of one of the buildings 732 00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:28,691 That fred owns back then around 4:00 a.M. 733 00:30:28,693 --> 00:30:30,727 And that is during the window of time 734 00:30:30,795 --> 00:30:32,696 When we believe derby was murdered. 735 00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:35,766 It may have been fred, but he was known to stay 736 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:38,735 At many of the five properties that he owned, 737 00:30:38,803 --> 00:30:40,637 So there's no way of knowing. 738 00:30:40,705 --> 00:30:42,172 But I'm more interested in seeing 739 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,307 What officer burney said she saw 740 00:30:44,309 --> 00:30:47,310 In a building across town that fred also owned. 741 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,112 He made mention in one of your reports 742 00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:53,316 About, um, a car that you had seen over on state street. 743 00:30:53,385 --> 00:30:55,752 Yes, um, it was around 3:00, 3:30. 744 00:30:55,821 --> 00:30:57,387 It was an apartment building. 745 00:30:57,456 --> 00:31:00,457 But what struck me odd and made me watch 746 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:03,092 Is because it was like a door open, 747 00:31:03,094 --> 00:31:05,028 And you could clearly see that there was light 748 00:31:05,097 --> 00:31:07,297 Behind an open door. 749 00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:09,900 And backed up to that door was a car 750 00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:14,337 In a way that it was almost at the door, 751 00:31:14,406 --> 00:31:17,707 And the trunk was open, and-- 752 00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:21,278 Almost like you could put something out of the building 753 00:31:21,346 --> 00:31:24,247 Into the car without walking to the car. 754 00:31:24,249 --> 00:31:27,450 I'm thinking someone's skipping out on rent... 755 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:28,919 - Hmm. - ...Moving out 756 00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:30,954 In the middle of the night. That's what hit me. 757 00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:32,489 So that's [bleep] street, which is there. 758 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:33,756 - Okay. - Right? 759 00:31:33,826 --> 00:31:35,025 - Uh-huh. - Now that back door, 760 00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:36,359 Is this... - Yep, this is it. 761 00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:37,494 That's what you were talking about? 762 00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:38,862 - Yep. - Siegler: Officer burney 763 00:31:38,931 --> 00:31:41,197 Was making her rounds on patrol 764 00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:44,034 When she noticed a car pull up to that building-- 765 00:31:44,102 --> 00:31:47,537 A building we know was another rooming house owned by fred. 766 00:31:47,606 --> 00:31:50,773 And the way she describes that car being parked 767 00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:53,243 Sounds a whole lot like the way you would park a car 768 00:31:53,312 --> 00:31:55,412 If you were trying to transport a body. 769 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,248 Siegler: Officer burney, the description of this car 770 00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:00,517 That you see at [bleep] street... 771 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,018 It was newer. 772 00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:04,654 It was sm-- it was small. 773 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:06,256 The report also says you described it 774 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:08,591 As having a stubby trunk. 775 00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:10,126 Lauer: Not like a big old cadillac trunk, but like a-- 776 00:32:10,195 --> 00:32:11,728 Burney: Not a big trunk, but like a-- 777 00:32:11,797 --> 00:32:14,964 I say a stubby trunk 'cause it's not huge. 778 00:32:14,966 --> 00:32:17,167 Did you ever see her car when the body got found? 779 00:32:17,235 --> 00:32:18,869 I've never seen a picture. 780 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:20,437 Just to see if the trunk matches. 781 00:32:20,505 --> 00:32:22,139 Spingola: Have to probably find the scene 782 00:32:22,207 --> 00:32:23,907 Where they found the car. 783 00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:29,079 Oh, jesus. 784 00:32:29,147 --> 00:32:32,049 - 'cause you never seen this. - Oh, jesus. 785 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:37,321 Yeah, this is, um... [clicks tongue] 786 00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:41,124 [voice cracks] yeah, this is stubby. 787 00:32:43,395 --> 00:32:45,696 - Sorry. - It's okay. 788 00:32:45,764 --> 00:32:47,764 - Thank you. - [sobs softly] 789 00:32:47,832 --> 00:32:49,199 - Sorry. - Okay. 790 00:32:49,267 --> 00:32:51,568 [sniffs] 791 00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:53,770 Siegler: Police later searched that building 792 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,574 And found out that that door is not commonly used by tenants. 793 00:32:57,642 --> 00:33:00,109 Rather, it was an access door to the basement, 794 00:33:00,179 --> 00:33:02,012 And fred had the key. 795 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,648 No traces of evidence or blood were found, 796 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:07,750 But it is kind of haunting to think 797 00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:10,720 That officer burney might have been just a few seconds away 798 00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:12,789 From being an eyewitness. 799 00:33:20,197 --> 00:33:23,500 ♪♪♪ 800 00:33:23,568 --> 00:33:25,068 Siegler: Let's give her a call. 801 00:33:25,136 --> 00:33:27,203 He was dating her the day it happened. 802 00:33:27,272 --> 00:33:30,106 Fred wagner-richardson has never given the police 803 00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:31,874 An alibi for the night 804 00:33:31,944 --> 00:33:33,543 Of his wife, derby's, murder. 805 00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:35,978 Though according to one of his girlfriends at the time, 806 00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:37,480 He claimed he was home sick. 807 00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:39,516 But fred was dating another woman 808 00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:41,217 That he was planning on seeing that night, 809 00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:43,253 So we need to talk to her. 810 00:33:43,321 --> 00:33:46,322 You were in a relationship 811 00:33:46,391 --> 00:33:48,558 With mr. Fred wagner-richardson, correct? 812 00:33:50,162 --> 00:33:50,994 Okay. 813 00:34:25,864 --> 00:34:28,631 Not only did fred change his story 814 00:34:28,633 --> 00:34:31,934 About where his kids were that night, he was lying, 815 00:34:31,936 --> 00:34:34,571 Because his kids were with derby's babysitter. 816 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,073 So what was he really doing? 817 00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:42,345 ♪♪♪ 818 00:34:42,414 --> 00:34:44,080 Spingola: Just thinking how we're gonna start this 819 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:46,149 With fred, you know? - Lauer: Yeah. 820 00:34:46,217 --> 00:34:48,785 If she answers, is she gonna let us in, you know, the wife? 821 00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:51,988 Or if he answers, is he gonna talk to us or ask us to come in? 822 00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:53,623 I mean, be interesting, though, 823 00:34:53,691 --> 00:34:55,392 Now that we know that fred is incapacitated 824 00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,627 To a wheelchair. 825 00:34:57,696 --> 00:34:59,462 Spingola: Now it's time to go talk to fred. 826 00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:03,232 He's 82 years of age and living with his new wife. 827 00:35:03,302 --> 00:35:06,068 We already have information that fred has beaten derby, 828 00:35:06,138 --> 00:35:07,504 Choked her unconscious, 829 00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:09,472 And she has a restraining order against him. 830 00:35:09,541 --> 00:35:12,442 Fred was very upset that he was gonna have to share 831 00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:14,844 Some money along with some of his properties 832 00:35:14,913 --> 00:35:16,979 With derby in the divorce settlement. 833 00:35:17,049 --> 00:35:19,415 We also know that derby has been telling everybody, 834 00:35:19,484 --> 00:35:22,151 After visiting the attorney earlier on Saturday, 835 00:35:22,153 --> 00:35:23,553 That fred has threatened to kill her, 836 00:35:23,622 --> 00:35:26,223 And he's going to kill her. 837 00:35:26,225 --> 00:35:27,757 What we don't know is what he's gonna tell us today. 838 00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,762 - [chimes jingle] - hello. 839 00:35:32,831 --> 00:35:34,497 Spingola: We knock on the door. 840 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:36,332 The good news is that the wife lets us in. 841 00:35:36,401 --> 00:35:39,001 However, fred is sitting in some sort of a walker 842 00:35:39,003 --> 00:35:40,670 And pretends that we're not there. 843 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:43,739 He won't answer a question, won't even look at us. 844 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:46,008 And we decide that we're gonna have to leave 845 00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:48,879 Without any type of conversation or communication with him. 846 00:35:48,947 --> 00:35:52,182 [chimes jingling] 847 00:35:57,722 --> 00:36:00,056 He, uh, puts on the act there that he's-- 848 00:36:00,125 --> 00:36:02,625 Has alzheimer's and doesn't understand 849 00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:03,894 That you're there and turns around 850 00:36:03,962 --> 00:36:05,228 And plays with the computer 851 00:36:05,297 --> 00:36:08,798 And turns the sound up real loud. 852 00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:11,200 It's probably what I expected from him. 853 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:12,669 Look, you weren't gonna get anything out of him. 854 00:36:12,737 --> 00:36:14,404 - No. - He has never told anybody. 855 00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:15,638 - He ain't budging. - No. 856 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:16,873 - This is a cold case. - Yeah. 857 00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:18,408 - You know what I'm saying? - Yeah. 858 00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:19,809 At least now he knows we're still looking into it. 859 00:36:19,878 --> 00:36:21,210 - That's right. - And he's got to look over 860 00:36:21,212 --> 00:36:22,779 His shoulder now for a while. 861 00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:29,919 ♪♪♪ 862 00:36:29,988 --> 00:36:31,454 Okay. 863 00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:33,556 It's time to review all the evidence 864 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:36,192 That we've uncovered, starting with the fact 865 00:36:36,261 --> 00:36:39,729 That for the last 37 years, there hasn't been any evidence 866 00:36:39,798 --> 00:36:43,700 Suggesting that a stranger is the person who killed derby. 867 00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:46,636 And we didn't hear one witness with any information 868 00:36:46,705 --> 00:36:48,838 Suggesting that there is. 869 00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:50,740 All right, so we're done with this part. 870 00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:55,612 When you're gonna start running the case down 871 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,147 To your prosecutor, 872 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,514 What would you say about derby 873 00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:00,216 When you start off tomorrow, tanya? 874 00:37:00,285 --> 00:37:02,452 That she was a mother first. 875 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,155 And throughout all of this was the manipulation of fred. 876 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:07,257 I mean, from being a 15-year-old 877 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:09,125 To finally gaining her independence 878 00:37:09,194 --> 00:37:11,228 And trying to raise the two girls, 879 00:37:11,296 --> 00:37:13,830 Working multiple jobs, trying to separate herself 880 00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:15,464 From the world that fred put her in. 881 00:37:15,466 --> 00:37:18,768 There's this trail of behavior that starts to get worse 882 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:21,504 As these triggering events start to get to fred more and more. 883 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:22,972 These people are coming to work, 884 00:37:23,041 --> 00:37:24,341 And everybody sees bruises. 885 00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:37,820 Spingola: She gets a restraining order. 886 00:37:37,889 --> 00:37:39,756 The victim witness person comes in and says, 887 00:37:39,824 --> 00:37:41,324 "it's not gonna do any good. He's going to kill me." 888 00:37:41,392 --> 00:37:43,492 And as she was leaving, 889 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:45,161 She said, "it doesn't really matter. 890 00:37:45,229 --> 00:37:46,796 He's going to kill me anyway." 891 00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:47,998 - He's escalating. - Right. 892 00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:49,766 He's losing control of her. 893 00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:52,401 - Saturday at 1:00... - She shows up for that meeting. 894 00:37:52,471 --> 00:37:54,871 The division of property was presented to fred. 895 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,007 That's where it goes really bad. 896 00:37:57,075 --> 00:38:00,577 She said that fred didn't want to give her anything, 897 00:38:00,645 --> 00:38:02,945 And not even the children. 898 00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:05,014 And how much is he about to lose? 899 00:38:05,016 --> 00:38:08,551 - He's a businessman. - Estimated around $250,000. 900 00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:10,320 They had a fight, and he said, 901 00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:12,922 "bitch, you'll never get my money." 902 00:38:12,991 --> 00:38:15,458 When fred walks out the door that day, 903 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,326 What's his mental state? 904 00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:19,128 He's crushed. Voice cracked, and he said, 905 00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:22,065 "I don't like to be hurt, and I'm hurt." 906 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:25,602 That was the turning point. That was it for him. 907 00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:29,205 And how much later is it that this happens to derby? 908 00:38:29,274 --> 00:38:30,339 - 12 hours. - 12 hours. 909 00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:32,241 What are the odds of that happening? 910 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,076 We haven't even talked about the nature 911 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:36,146 Of the injuries and the overkill specific to her. 912 00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:37,680 The throat is just slashed. 913 00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:39,249 I mean, those wrists are slashed. 914 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,484 I mean, she's put in the trunk of that vehicle. 915 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:44,387 - That's personal. - The degrading of her, 916 00:38:44,456 --> 00:38:46,656 Leaving her nude, that's someone 917 00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:48,391 That has felt hurt by her. 918 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,727 Spingola: No matter where you start, 919 00:38:50,795 --> 00:38:52,795 The trail ends with fred. 920 00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,297 - I agree. - Lauer: Agree. 921 00:38:54,365 --> 00:38:56,432 Siegler: I was really worried about this case 922 00:38:56,434 --> 00:39:00,536 Because it's 37 years old, and derby had a rough life. 923 00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:01,938 So when you have a rough life, 924 00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:03,572 The world you surround yourself with 925 00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:05,575 Tends to be kind of rough, too. 926 00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:09,145 But, man, these witnesses that came to know her 927 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:11,080 And care about her and work with her 928 00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:13,716 From her three different jobs, they're great, 929 00:39:13,718 --> 00:39:16,219 And they're credible, and they're helpful. 930 00:39:16,287 --> 00:39:18,788 And this case turned out to be really, really good. 931 00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,457 So what's the plan tomorrow? Y'all have a meeting scheduled? 932 00:39:21,526 --> 00:39:23,193 - Lauer: Yep. - And at the end of the meeting, 933 00:39:23,261 --> 00:39:25,094 You're gonna ask your prosecutor what, to do what? 934 00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:26,562 We're gonna refer charges to her. 935 00:39:26,631 --> 00:39:27,830 Okay. 936 00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:29,466 For first degree intentional homicide. 937 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:30,867 You gonna feel bad putting handcuffs 938 00:39:30,935 --> 00:39:32,435 On an 82-year-old man? 939 00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:33,736 Not in the-- in the slightest bit. 940 00:39:33,805 --> 00:39:35,372 Scarvers: Not at all. 941 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,039 We'll be waiting to hear. Good luck. 942 00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:38,208 - Thank you very much. - Thank you. 943 00:39:47,118 --> 00:39:50,052 ♪♪♪ 944 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:53,556 [geese honking] 945 00:39:53,624 --> 00:39:55,958 Siegel: Y'all must have really crushed it. 946 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,828 I can't wait for all this news to come out to them, 947 00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:00,230 You know, that we're getting the-- 948 00:40:00,298 --> 00:40:02,098 The result that we ultimately wanted. 949 00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:03,966 It was a lot of work, but it was worth it. 950 00:40:03,968 --> 00:40:05,401 Siegler: Yes, it was. 951 00:40:05,469 --> 00:40:07,103 Scarvers: So the meeting with our district attorney, 952 00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:09,572 It went very long, but it went very well 953 00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:11,474 Because we took our time in explaining to her 954 00:40:11,543 --> 00:40:13,410 Everything that has happened over the years 955 00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:16,879 To today's date of what we did ourselves. 956 00:40:16,881 --> 00:40:20,216 The one thing that, uh, any law enforcement officer 957 00:40:20,284 --> 00:40:22,318 Would tell you is that we always want justice. 958 00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:26,256 And to finally get justice for derby and her daughters, 959 00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:28,224 It's the best feeling ever. 960 00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:29,726 Hello, miss ellie, how are you doing today? 961 00:40:29,794 --> 00:40:31,560 Hello. I'm doing well, thank you. 962 00:40:31,562 --> 00:40:33,329 Lauer: So thanks for meeting us again today, folks. 963 00:40:33,398 --> 00:40:35,764 It's been a long week, as you can imagine. 964 00:40:35,766 --> 00:40:38,234 - Yeah. - We met a lot of people 965 00:40:38,302 --> 00:40:41,570 That were friends and coworkers of derby. 966 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,109 Gave us a real insight into what derby was all about 967 00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:50,680 As a--both a mother, friend, a coworker. 968 00:40:50,748 --> 00:40:53,449 Uh, it was enlightening. 969 00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,952 And this whole process really brought this case 970 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:58,921 To getting the attention that it needed. 971 00:40:58,923 --> 00:41:00,756 With that said, this morning we actually 972 00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:03,393 Had been meeting with our local district attorney 973 00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:06,596 Here in racine county, patricia hanson, 974 00:41:06,664 --> 00:41:10,099 And fred wagner-richardson is going to be charged 975 00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:11,834 With the homicide of derby. 976 00:41:11,902 --> 00:41:14,236 - Oh, my god. - Yeah. 977 00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:16,072 I don't believe it. 978 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,107 I wish your mom could hear this. 979 00:41:18,176 --> 00:41:20,710 I wish that as well, that my mother 980 00:41:20,778 --> 00:41:22,144 Could--could hear this. 981 00:41:22,213 --> 00:41:23,946 - Could be here to hear it? - Yeah. 982 00:41:24,015 --> 00:41:25,547 Well, her fingerprints were all over the file, right? 983 00:41:25,549 --> 00:41:27,149 - Oh, yes. - Yeah. 984 00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:28,784 You should see all the people that, when they would 985 00:41:28,853 --> 00:41:31,221 Knock on the door, they were like, "derby? 986 00:41:31,289 --> 00:41:33,656 You're working on derby's case?" they were so excited. 987 00:41:33,724 --> 00:41:35,257 - Oh, wonderful. Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 988 00:41:35,327 --> 00:41:37,259 Scarvers: A lot of people said they never forgot her. 989 00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:38,527 - So... - Linder: Yes. 990 00:41:38,529 --> 00:41:40,096 Wow. 991 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,565 There aren't enough words of... [exhales] 992 00:41:42,634 --> 00:41:44,501 Of appreciation. 993 00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:46,368 I think for me it's-it's probably 994 00:41:46,438 --> 00:41:48,971 More closure for my sister. 995 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,175 It was so beautiful to hear how she's not been forgotten. 996 00:41:52,243 --> 00:41:55,277 She can rest easy now. 997 00:41:55,346 --> 00:41:57,513 What do you think your mom would say if she could be here today? 998 00:41:57,582 --> 00:41:59,849 She'd say, "thank god." 999 00:41:59,917 --> 00:42:02,452 I know she'd be thrilled. 1000 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,653 Siegler: I think a lot of people are thrilled. 1001 00:42:03,721 --> 00:42:05,021 - Yes. - Oh, yeah. 1002 00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:06,889 - It's a good day. - That's wonderful. 1003 00:42:06,958 --> 00:42:08,624 It is. It's good. 1004 00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:10,159 It's all gonna be okay, all right? 1005 00:42:10,228 --> 00:42:11,661 - Thank you. - Yes. 1006 00:42:11,729 --> 00:42:13,730 - Yes, you hang in there, okay? - I will. 1007 00:42:15,299 --> 00:42:17,533 - [whispers] we did it. - You did it. 1008 00:42:17,602 --> 00:42:19,869 - We did it. - Thank you. [sniffles] 1009 00:42:19,937 --> 00:42:21,237 - Thank you. - Absolutely. 1010 00:42:21,305 --> 00:42:22,772 Thank you. 1011 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,140 [speaks indistinctly] ...For all you guys. 1012 00:42:25,743 --> 00:42:26,909 - [exhales sharply] - all right? 1013 00:42:26,978 --> 00:42:29,212 Siegler: We'll be in touch. 1014 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,481 I guess-- it's just unbelievable. 1015 00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:33,415 Never thought it was gonna happen. 1016 00:42:33,485 --> 00:42:35,417 I guess I didn't either. 1017 00:42:35,487 --> 00:42:38,020 - Wow. - Oh, my goodness. 1018 00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:40,890 Derby had a rough start to life, 1019 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:43,759 And she had a horribly tragic end. 1020 00:42:43,761 --> 00:42:46,128 But she was loved, she is missed, 1021 00:42:46,197 --> 00:42:48,164 And she's never been forgotten. 1022 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:50,166 We all hope that justice for derby 1023 00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:51,634 Is right around the corner. 1024 00:42:51,703 --> 00:42:54,070 We also hope that her daughters realize 1025 00:42:54,138 --> 00:42:55,371 How much their mom loved them. 1026 00:42:58,009 --> 00:42:59,442 [officers clamoring] 1027 00:42:59,510 --> 00:43:00,743 Lauer: Uh, first off, 1028 00:43:00,812 --> 00:43:02,912 Thank you, everybody, for coming. 1029 00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:05,381 We are going after today fred wagner-richardson. 1030 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:07,183 So that's, like, what you're gonna walk into. 1031 00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:11,687 ♪♪♪ 1032 00:43:11,756 --> 00:43:13,222 We have a search warrant for your house. 1033 00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:14,957 You need to open this door right now or we're gonna break it in. 1034 00:43:15,026 --> 00:43:16,959 - Can you open the door, please? - He's inside on the left. 1035 00:43:17,028 --> 00:43:18,394 Woman: Yeah, go ahead. 1036 00:43:18,463 --> 00:43:20,863 Lauer: Fred, you're under arrest. 1037 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:22,699 Can I ask what I'm arrested for? 1038 00:43:22,701 --> 00:43:24,467 Lauer: You're arrested for the homicide 1039 00:43:24,535 --> 00:43:26,736 Of derby wagner-richardson. - Okay. 1040 00:43:26,804 --> 00:43:29,105 Siegler: On March the 28th, 2024, 1041 00:43:29,173 --> 00:43:31,641 Fred wagner-richardson was arrested 1042 00:43:31,709 --> 00:43:34,110 For the murder of derby wagner-richardson. 1043 00:43:34,178 --> 00:43:35,144 I have to put you in handcuffs. 1044 00:43:35,212 --> 00:43:37,179 Okay. 1045 00:43:37,181 --> 00:43:42,118 [officers chattering] 1046 00:43:43,788 --> 00:43:44,988 [handcuffs click]