1 00:00:37,504 --> 00:00:40,372 ♪ dark clouds they come ♪ 2 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,076 ♪ in the heart of the darkness beats a truth ♪ 3 00:00:44,144 --> 00:00:48,247 [vocalizing] 4 00:00:51,852 --> 00:00:55,353 ♪ in the heart of the darkness beats a truth ♪ 5 00:00:55,422 --> 00:00:57,889 I think this is the most unique case we've ever had. 6 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:00,192 - Four people killed. I mean-- - a quadruple? 7 00:01:00,260 --> 00:01:02,260 How many quadruples did you work in your whole career? 8 00:01:02,329 --> 00:01:04,262 Oh, man. I would say less than five. 9 00:01:04,331 --> 00:01:06,931 I can think of three that are prosecuted. 10 00:01:06,933 --> 00:01:09,334 The main one that I did was a dope killing. 11 00:01:09,403 --> 00:01:10,769 This doesn't look like a dope killing. 12 00:01:10,837 --> 00:01:12,104 And why do you need to kill people 13 00:01:12,172 --> 00:01:14,272 When they're in their 60s and 80s? 14 00:01:14,341 --> 00:01:16,040 And it's on Halloween night, honest to god. 15 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:17,276 Yeah. How odd. 16 00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:19,611 Steve and I are back to help 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,846 The anderson county sheriff's office 18 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:23,949 Look into one of the biggest 19 00:01:24,017 --> 00:01:26,451 And most famous cold cases in south carolina. 20 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:29,388 The 2015 quadruple murder 21 00:01:29,456 --> 00:01:31,924 Of beloved couple mike and cathy scott 22 00:01:31,992 --> 00:01:34,626 And their elderly mothers, barbara and violet. 23 00:01:34,695 --> 00:01:37,162 All four of them were brutally stabbed, 24 00:01:37,231 --> 00:01:38,530 Shot point-blank, 25 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:40,899 And discovered by cathy's daughter, amy. 26 00:01:40,968 --> 00:01:44,203 This is a case that terrified the whole community 27 00:01:44,205 --> 00:01:46,338 And brought a lot of media attention. 28 00:01:46,406 --> 00:01:48,807 Newsman: Monday afternoon, four adults were found dead 29 00:01:48,875 --> 00:01:51,242 Inside a home in pendleton. 30 00:01:51,312 --> 00:01:53,311 Investigators say the victims didn't have time to fight back. 31 00:01:53,380 --> 00:01:57,315 Those are probably the most significant knife injuries 32 00:01:57,384 --> 00:01:59,584 I have ever seen. Their throats are slashed, 33 00:01:59,653 --> 00:02:02,120 Their stab wounds penetrating into the lungs. 34 00:02:02,188 --> 00:02:05,323 Then there's that coup de grâce. Postmortem gunshot wound. 35 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:07,626 At least one in everybody's head, two in some. 36 00:02:07,694 --> 00:02:09,294 Whoever did this wanted them dead, 37 00:02:09,363 --> 00:02:10,262 And they wanted that money. 38 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:11,896 Yeah. 39 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:13,632 Spingola: Mike and cathy didn't trust banks, 40 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:15,199 And it was believed that they kept 41 00:02:15,201 --> 00:02:17,135 Tens of thousands of dollars in cash in their house, 42 00:02:17,203 --> 00:02:18,837 Money that was stolen from the scene. 43 00:02:18,905 --> 00:02:20,939 But who else knew about the cash? 44 00:02:21,007 --> 00:02:23,208 And who would be willing to kill four people in order to get it? 45 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:25,176 I call these, like, lukewarm ones, you know, 46 00:02:25,246 --> 00:02:27,079 Kind of like room-temperature homicides instead of cold. 47 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:29,514 So you got a lot of the technology. 48 00:02:29,516 --> 00:02:31,483 The sheriff's department collected lots and lots 49 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:33,652 Of physical evidence. The blood spatter. 50 00:02:33,654 --> 00:02:36,254 Siegler: Plus facebook records, gmail records. 51 00:02:36,323 --> 00:02:38,289 Lots to play with. 52 00:02:38,291 --> 00:02:42,094 I've seen a lot of cases in my career, but nothing like this. 53 00:02:42,096 --> 00:02:44,863 Mike and cathy and barbara and violet 54 00:02:44,931 --> 00:02:47,065 Were good, innocent people. 55 00:02:47,134 --> 00:02:51,169 It's hard to think about the devastating loss and fear 56 00:02:51,237 --> 00:02:54,072 Their families have suffered for eight long years, 57 00:02:54,141 --> 00:02:57,676 Knowing that whoever did this is walking around out there free. 58 00:02:57,744 --> 00:03:00,278 We're not leaving this town without justice. 59 00:03:00,347 --> 00:03:02,080 Spingola: And they slaughtered these people. 60 00:03:02,148 --> 00:03:03,948 These were armed wolves that went in 61 00:03:04,018 --> 00:03:05,550 And killed the sheep one at a time. 62 00:03:05,619 --> 00:03:07,686 There's a special place in hell for this guy, 63 00:03:07,754 --> 00:03:08,687 I'll tell you that much. 64 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:09,621 - Or a girl. - Yeah. 65 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:12,558 Spingola: Time to hit back. 66 00:03:18,165 --> 00:03:19,631 Did you even bring a coat? 67 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:20,932 - No. - Really? 68 00:03:21,001 --> 00:03:22,634 I got a thinner one. This is nothing. 69 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:24,336 Siegler: It was 39 degrees this morning. 70 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,706 Hey. I'm tyler duncan. 71 00:03:27,774 --> 00:03:28,674 Hello, tyler. Nice to meet you. 72 00:03:28,742 --> 00:03:29,908 - Hi. I'm steve. - Scotty hill. 73 00:03:29,976 --> 00:03:32,611 I saw your name in the file. 74 00:03:32,679 --> 00:03:35,380 We asked you guys here to review one of our cases. 75 00:03:35,448 --> 00:03:37,181 We've been very passionate about it. 76 00:03:37,183 --> 00:03:38,283 Our guys have worked so hard on it, 77 00:03:38,351 --> 00:03:40,319 And we're just glad y'all are here 78 00:03:40,321 --> 00:03:41,519 To take a look at it with us. 79 00:03:41,588 --> 00:03:42,721 Siegler: Thank you for asking us. 80 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:44,122 Are y'all ready to get working? 81 00:03:44,191 --> 00:03:45,490 - We'll show you the way. - We're ready. 82 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:48,260 I think this case bothered not only the public, 83 00:03:48,328 --> 00:03:50,161 But it's also bothered a lot of the detectives 84 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:51,763 From the very beginning. 85 00:03:51,832 --> 00:03:54,366 It's put a fear in people. They're afraid to this day, 86 00:03:54,434 --> 00:03:56,568 Which is the reason we feel so strongly 87 00:03:56,636 --> 00:03:58,269 That we gotta do something 88 00:03:58,271 --> 00:03:59,471 And get these killers off the street 89 00:03:59,539 --> 00:04:01,406 So they don't hurt anybody else. 90 00:04:01,474 --> 00:04:03,475 How long have y'all worked for the sheriff's department? 91 00:04:03,543 --> 00:04:05,610 I started here in 2016. 92 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:07,312 - So after this happened? - Yes, ma'am. 93 00:04:07,381 --> 00:04:09,147 Okay. And you were here when it happened? 94 00:04:09,215 --> 00:04:11,683 I was here, yes. I was on scene that day. 95 00:04:11,752 --> 00:04:14,252 You wanna start with the victims and tell us about them? 96 00:04:14,321 --> 00:04:17,656 Mike scott and cathy scott were husband and wife. 97 00:04:17,724 --> 00:04:20,224 The two of them were very, very close. 98 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:22,194 Siegler: How old was mike? 58? 99 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:24,763 - And cathy was 60. - Mm-hmm. 100 00:04:24,831 --> 00:04:26,698 Mike worked for the department of transportation. 101 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,601 Cathy. She was kind of taking care of the mothers. 102 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:31,469 Siegler: After cathy and mike are married, 103 00:04:31,538 --> 00:04:34,339 Cathy lets her mom, violet, move in with them. 104 00:04:34,407 --> 00:04:36,074 What caused that? Do y'all remember? 105 00:04:36,143 --> 00:04:37,742 She was having some health issues. 106 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:38,977 And then at some point, 107 00:04:39,045 --> 00:04:40,846 Mike's mom moves in with them, too. Barbara. 108 00:04:40,914 --> 00:04:44,883 Mike, cathy, barbara, and violet lived in a double-wide trailer 109 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:48,220 While cathy's daughter, amy, and her new husband, ross, 110 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:50,322 Lived in a single-wide trailer, 111 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:54,158 Along with amy's daughter and son on the same property. 112 00:04:54,228 --> 00:04:55,794 The trailers are how far apart? 113 00:04:55,862 --> 00:04:57,429 Hill: Less than 50 yards. 114 00:04:57,497 --> 00:04:59,197 The weekend of the murder, 115 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:02,334 Amy's kids were out of town at ross's parents' house. 116 00:05:02,402 --> 00:05:05,503 After a couple of days of not seeing her family, 117 00:05:05,572 --> 00:05:08,973 Amy went to check on them and found all their bodies 118 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:10,809 As she told the news in an emotional interview 119 00:05:10,877 --> 00:05:12,443 Shortly afterwards. 120 00:05:12,513 --> 00:05:16,314 I keep feeling like I should be waking up from a dream... 121 00:05:16,383 --> 00:05:18,917 Right now, and it-- 122 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,453 It's just not happening. 123 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:24,522 So, yeah, it's, um-- 124 00:05:24,591 --> 00:05:26,524 It's like a movie or something. 125 00:05:26,593 --> 00:05:30,161 Siegler: The murder actually happened on Halloween. 126 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:31,363 Start with the front of the story. 127 00:05:31,431 --> 00:05:32,597 The call comes in. 128 00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:34,733 November 2, 2015. 129 00:05:34,801 --> 00:05:37,902 When I got on scene, there was a lot of-- 130 00:05:37,904 --> 00:05:40,072 One of the bloodiest scenes I've ever been to. 131 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:42,106 The gunshots were obvious. 132 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:43,674 They had bullet holes in their faces. 133 00:05:43,676 --> 00:05:45,510 - All four? - Yes. 134 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,479 And then we saw all their throats were cut. 135 00:05:48,549 --> 00:05:49,781 Then we knew we were dealing with something 136 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:52,484 That none of us had ever seen before. 137 00:05:52,552 --> 00:05:54,786 - How were their throats cut? - Pretty much filleted open. 138 00:05:54,855 --> 00:05:56,821 I mean, just all the way across. 139 00:05:56,823 --> 00:05:58,623 This is just a particularly brutal level of savagery. 140 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:00,359 Right. 141 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:01,793 Spingola: Not only was this crime unique 142 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:03,494 For having four victims, 143 00:06:03,564 --> 00:06:05,864 But killers don't typically switch weapons mid murder. 144 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:08,566 If you have a gun, why not just shoot your victims? 145 00:06:08,635 --> 00:06:09,668 And if you have a knife to kill 'em quietly, 146 00:06:09,736 --> 00:06:11,736 Why shoot 'em afterwards? 147 00:06:11,738 --> 00:06:13,972 Is it possible that there was more than one killer? 148 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,307 That's one of the mysteries 149 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:17,208 We're gonna have to try to solve here. 150 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:20,344 There wasn't a lot to indicate a massive struggle, 151 00:06:20,346 --> 00:06:21,612 And there was no forced entry. 152 00:06:21,682 --> 00:06:23,648 At the time, we believed whoever killed them 153 00:06:23,716 --> 00:06:26,084 - Was let into the house. - Okay. 154 00:06:26,153 --> 00:06:28,052 We talked to some of the family, 155 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:30,855 And that's how we found out mike bought and sold gold. 156 00:06:30,857 --> 00:06:34,025 He really didn't trust banks. He liked to deal in cash. 157 00:06:34,094 --> 00:06:36,461 He liked to get cash and pay people in cash. 158 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:39,397 Several people told us that they knew 159 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,699 He kept a lot of money in the house but not where. 160 00:06:41,768 --> 00:06:43,968 Investigators noticed a shelf 161 00:06:44,037 --> 00:06:46,871 That was tipped forward in the main bedroom closet 162 00:06:46,873 --> 00:06:49,007 That looked like something heavy had been removed from it. 163 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:52,177 The theory is it was a safe containing the stolen cash. 164 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:56,314 All right, so let's start with "unknown suspect." 165 00:06:56,383 --> 00:06:59,384 What would you start with under "unknown suspect"? 166 00:06:59,452 --> 00:07:02,286 The fact that he sold gold, is this a random murder? 167 00:07:02,356 --> 00:07:03,855 And what all did mike sell? 168 00:07:03,924 --> 00:07:06,558 - Jewelry. - Collectible coins. 169 00:07:06,626 --> 00:07:08,393 - Sell guns. Yeah. - Guns. 170 00:07:08,461 --> 00:07:10,428 He'd sell it on facebook, ebay. 171 00:07:10,497 --> 00:07:12,530 Siegler: So ebay attracts weirdos. 172 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:16,467 Back in 2009, we had people doing the same thing murdered 173 00:07:16,537 --> 00:07:17,802 In anderson county. 174 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:20,539 Another couple were murdered inside their car 175 00:07:20,541 --> 00:07:21,973 Trying to buy some jewelry. 176 00:07:21,975 --> 00:07:24,376 I'm gonna put it up here as "mike's high risk." 177 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,144 Anytime you have cash as a motive, 178 00:07:26,213 --> 00:07:28,913 It opens up your world of potential suspects. 179 00:07:28,982 --> 00:07:31,783 We don't know who mike was doing business with, 180 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:34,118 But because there's no forced entry, 181 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:36,320 That suggested at least it's gonna be someone 182 00:07:36,322 --> 00:07:39,090 That he was comfortable enough to allow inside, 183 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:41,592 Which brings us to our next suspects. 184 00:07:41,594 --> 00:07:44,595 Let's put up amy and put up ross. 185 00:07:44,665 --> 00:07:47,065 When this happens, amy's 32 years old. 186 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:49,834 Hill: She's cathy's daughter and mike's stepdaughter. 187 00:07:49,903 --> 00:07:51,602 It's a strained relationship. 188 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:54,338 - Does not like her mom. - Mm-hmm. 189 00:07:54,408 --> 00:07:55,974 How many times do you think you read in the file 190 00:07:56,042 --> 00:07:57,942 That amy calls her mom a narcissist? 191 00:07:58,011 --> 00:08:00,011 - Constantly. - I thought it was very telling 192 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,547 That she's getting married, and every other marriage 193 00:08:02,616 --> 00:08:05,449 She'd invited her mom to, but not this one. 194 00:08:05,451 --> 00:08:07,718 Amy was a little bit of a wild child, 195 00:08:07,788 --> 00:08:10,488 And she had a handful of ex-husbands 196 00:08:10,557 --> 00:08:14,559 Before marrying ross just a week before these murders. 197 00:08:14,628 --> 00:08:17,929 She told friends that cathy was a narcissist, 198 00:08:17,998 --> 00:08:21,099 And they argued a lot about how amy was raising her kids. 199 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:25,303 According to the reports, amy and ross had a big fallout 200 00:08:25,371 --> 00:08:27,839 With cathy and mike sometime in July, 201 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:30,108 Which is just months before the murders. 202 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:33,144 Ross is 28. What's he like? 203 00:08:33,213 --> 00:08:35,447 Honestly, he's a pretty likable guy. 204 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:38,617 You talk to him, and he was telling me how impressed he was 205 00:08:38,619 --> 00:08:40,184 With our deputies going into the house 206 00:08:40,253 --> 00:08:42,120 And how it reminded him of iraq. 207 00:08:42,122 --> 00:08:43,755 Not only is he a marine, 208 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:46,090 But he's somewhat a decorated marine. 209 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:49,260 He went through specialized training for combat 210 00:08:49,329 --> 00:08:50,929 To guard embassies. 211 00:08:50,997 --> 00:08:54,732 What else, physical evidence wise, connects to amy and ross? 212 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:56,100 A lot of cash. 213 00:08:56,169 --> 00:08:58,803 Once we found the money in the single-wide, 214 00:08:58,871 --> 00:09:01,205 That's when red flags kind of started going up. 215 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:04,509 It was $67,998. 216 00:09:04,578 --> 00:09:07,311 Siegler: When investigators searched amy and ross's trailer, 217 00:09:07,381 --> 00:09:10,348 They discovered over $60,000 in cash. 218 00:09:10,417 --> 00:09:13,685 They claimed that that money came from their life savings 219 00:09:13,753 --> 00:09:16,087 And money from their dog-grooming business. 220 00:09:16,156 --> 00:09:19,824 But could it really have been mike and cathy's stolen cash? 221 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:22,927 If so, could amy have killed her family 222 00:09:22,929 --> 00:09:25,630 And just pretended to have discovered the bodies? 223 00:09:25,699 --> 00:09:30,268 Did ross kill for amy, or did ross kill on his own? 224 00:09:30,336 --> 00:09:34,706 Did they do it together, or is it somebody else entirely? 225 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,880 Scotty, who's the person from the family 226 00:09:41,948 --> 00:09:44,082 You've most been in touch with about the case? 227 00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:45,584 Her name is pam isbell. 228 00:09:45,652 --> 00:09:49,120 She is barbara's daughter and mike's sister. 229 00:09:49,188 --> 00:09:52,057 She has been pretty much our consistent contact 230 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:53,958 Since we started with the case. 231 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:57,228 Through the years, mike's sister pam has been 232 00:09:57,297 --> 00:09:59,831 The primary spokesperson for the families. 233 00:09:59,899 --> 00:10:02,066 - Pam, I read all about you. - I'm keith. 234 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:04,002 Keith, I'm kelly siegler. Nice to meet y'all. 235 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:07,605 Pam was also the last person to talk to mike on the phone 236 00:10:07,673 --> 00:10:08,806 The night of the murders. 237 00:10:08,875 --> 00:10:10,342 If you could tell us a little bit 238 00:10:10,410 --> 00:10:12,076 About who your mother was, who your brother was, 239 00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:14,812 And his wife, and, of course, violet. 240 00:10:14,881 --> 00:10:18,683 I'll start with mike and cathy. 241 00:10:18,752 --> 00:10:20,818 They actually were in junior high school together. 242 00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:22,420 Siegler: Okay. 243 00:10:22,488 --> 00:10:25,523 And they were boyfriend and girlfriend then. 244 00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:27,591 As they went to high school, 245 00:10:27,593 --> 00:10:30,228 Cathy went to a different school. 246 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:35,166 And so they came back in contact with one another years later 247 00:10:35,235 --> 00:10:38,202 And just struck it right back up. 248 00:10:38,271 --> 00:10:40,271 Very caring people. 249 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:43,074 She loved horses. She loved being outdoors. 250 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:45,510 Most of all, she loved her grandchildren. 251 00:10:45,578 --> 00:10:48,312 Mike was the ultimate big brother. 252 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:53,317 He was always there for me and for my children. 253 00:10:53,386 --> 00:10:57,155 Mother was just-- just an exceptional woman. 254 00:10:57,223 --> 00:11:00,591 She cared about her family and her community. 255 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:04,062 She spent countless hours in her church 256 00:11:04,130 --> 00:11:07,431 Taking care of the children in the nursery. 257 00:11:07,501 --> 00:11:10,001 She and miss taylor were good together 258 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:13,604 Because they kind of had each other, you know. 259 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:19,811 She was such a sweet, very quiet-natured woman. 260 00:11:28,154 --> 00:11:30,721 [sobbing] 261 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:31,990 What are you thinking about, pam? 262 00:11:44,971 --> 00:11:46,805 We all lose family members, 263 00:11:46,807 --> 00:11:51,709 But there's something unnatural 264 00:11:51,777 --> 00:11:57,315 About losing family members in-in this way. 265 00:11:57,383 --> 00:12:00,585 You don't ever forget about it. It's just always there. 266 00:12:00,653 --> 00:12:04,055 I'm just not the same as I was. 267 00:12:04,123 --> 00:12:05,990 And not just me. 268 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,593 So many other people, so many other lives 269 00:12:08,661 --> 00:12:13,665 Waiting for some sort of justice. 270 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:19,137 When we went to the mortuary, I told the mortician, you know, 271 00:12:19,205 --> 00:12:22,273 "mother didn't want to be buried in any of her jewelry." 272 00:12:22,275 --> 00:12:24,676 And he said, "I'll bring it to you." 273 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:29,213 And he brought me one bloody earring. 274 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:30,882 That was all. 275 00:12:36,189 --> 00:12:40,258 It's heartbreaking to listen to pam relive her grief. 276 00:12:40,326 --> 00:12:42,326 But she's also a witness to all this. 277 00:12:42,395 --> 00:12:44,762 And we have to ask her about the fallout 278 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:47,465 Between mike and cathy and amy and ross. 279 00:12:58,543 --> 00:13:02,213 [sobbing] 280 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:05,249 It's hard to think what this is like for pam, 281 00:13:05,318 --> 00:13:08,752 Losing her mother, her brother, her brother's wife, 282 00:13:08,822 --> 00:13:12,323 And her mother on that tragic Halloween night eight years ago. 283 00:13:12,392 --> 00:13:15,193 I know it's hard for her, but we need to learn everything 284 00:13:15,261 --> 00:13:17,695 That we can about the family fallout 285 00:13:17,763 --> 00:13:20,898 And the animosity over mike and cathy's grandkids. 286 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:23,301 So they really actually almost raised them? 287 00:13:23,369 --> 00:13:26,270 Pam: Cathy bought all of their clothes. 288 00:13:26,272 --> 00:13:29,040 They did everything. They took 'em to school, 289 00:13:29,108 --> 00:13:31,809 Took 'em to church, changed their diapers, fed 'em. 290 00:13:31,877 --> 00:13:34,145 Pam: Father-daughter dance at school. 291 00:13:34,213 --> 00:13:36,180 What was going on with amy, 292 00:13:36,182 --> 00:13:38,482 Why she wasn't raising the kids herself? 293 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:41,552 Pam: I think it was probably just easier for her 294 00:13:41,621 --> 00:13:43,687 So she could live her life. 295 00:13:43,757 --> 00:13:45,623 So when ross comes into amy's life, 296 00:13:45,691 --> 00:13:49,627 How was the relationship between the whole family? 297 00:13:49,696 --> 00:13:51,195 To begin with, 298 00:13:51,264 --> 00:13:54,965 Mike spoke very highly of him. They got along. 299 00:13:55,035 --> 00:13:57,868 Do you have any idea what caused a falling-out? 300 00:13:57,938 --> 00:13:59,470 What I was told 301 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:05,509 The church had some sort of fourth of July celebration. 302 00:14:05,511 --> 00:14:08,912 Mike and cathy took the children. 303 00:14:08,914 --> 00:14:11,649 And when they came home, 304 00:14:11,717 --> 00:14:14,385 Amy and ross had friends at the house. 305 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:15,919 They were drinking. 306 00:14:15,921 --> 00:14:17,721 So when they came in, 307 00:14:17,723 --> 00:14:20,057 They just tried to take the children 308 00:14:20,126 --> 00:14:22,293 On into the house, away from it, 309 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:26,330 And a fight kind of started. 310 00:14:26,332 --> 00:14:29,433 And amy, "they're my children. Let me have my children." 311 00:14:29,502 --> 00:14:33,004 And she took them, 312 00:14:33,072 --> 00:14:38,476 And basically, they never got to see those children again. 313 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,978 The week that ross and amy got married, 314 00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:43,013 When mike came home from work, 315 00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:44,883 He went down and knocked on their door, 316 00:14:44,951 --> 00:14:47,251 Apologized to amy. 317 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,987 He didn't want to apologize to her, 318 00:14:50,056 --> 00:14:52,756 But he felt like it was the right thing to do. 319 00:14:52,758 --> 00:14:56,594 He told her not being able to see the grandchildren 320 00:14:56,662 --> 00:15:00,564 Was just really killing cathy and miss taylor. 321 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:05,536 So that week, amy started coming back to their house, 322 00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:07,905 And she was telling them 323 00:15:07,974 --> 00:15:11,775 That when they went to pick the children up in columbia 324 00:15:11,845 --> 00:15:13,777 That next weekend, 325 00:15:13,779 --> 00:15:15,613 That they would be able to see them. 326 00:15:15,682 --> 00:15:17,915 Siegler: If amy was keeping those kids 327 00:15:17,983 --> 00:15:19,884 Away from their grandparents 328 00:15:19,952 --> 00:15:21,885 When they only lived a few feet from them, 329 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:24,422 Their relationship was more tense than we thought. 330 00:15:24,490 --> 00:15:25,823 But mike had told the family 331 00:15:25,891 --> 00:15:28,359 That they had made up before the murders. 332 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:31,696 So could amy really be behind what happened to them? 333 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:34,999 For us to still be here eight years later, 334 00:15:35,067 --> 00:15:36,668 It's not justice. 335 00:15:36,736 --> 00:15:38,436 I don't wanna tell you to get your hopes up, 336 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:40,705 But I have my hopes up, so, you know... 337 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:42,774 - You're an answered prayer. - Well, you're sweet. 338 00:15:42,842 --> 00:15:46,177 I have prayed for you for about the last three or four years. 339 00:15:46,245 --> 00:15:49,013 If anybody can do it, kelly can. 340 00:15:49,082 --> 00:15:51,715 Be patient for another week or so, 341 00:15:51,785 --> 00:15:54,953 And then he'll call you back, okay? 342 00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:57,455 This is good. 343 00:16:03,496 --> 00:16:07,665 So, I am looking over a case that happened back in 2015, 344 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:10,734 A homicide that happened at your neighbor's house. 345 00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:12,603 Siegler: The next witnesses we wanna talk to 346 00:16:12,672 --> 00:16:14,505 Are mike and cathy's neighbors. 347 00:16:14,574 --> 00:16:17,675 None of the neighbors reported hearing any gunshots that night. 348 00:16:17,743 --> 00:16:19,610 But what did they hear or know 349 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,813 About amy and cathy's strained relationship 350 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:25,249 And this potential fourth of July blow-up? 351 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:28,586 Is there anything you can tell me off the top of your head 352 00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:30,355 That you remember about it? 353 00:16:45,071 --> 00:16:47,805 You actually heard her say that she wished they were dead? 354 00:16:57,550 --> 00:17:00,050 - Okay. - Not only did this neighbor 355 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,654 Hear amy's attitude toward her mother firsthand, 356 00:17:03,656 --> 00:17:06,623 She heard amy say she wished cathy was dead. 357 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:09,861 But did amy have anything to do with making that wish come true? 358 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:13,564 I knew about the deal 359 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:16,167 With the daughter got angry with her 360 00:17:16,235 --> 00:17:19,303 And kept the children from cathy. 361 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:21,105 So tell us about that one. 362 00:17:21,173 --> 00:17:24,842 It seemed that they really tried to help amy a lot. 363 00:17:24,910 --> 00:17:28,646 And mike and cathy, they really took care of the kids. 364 00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:30,982 And it broke cathy and mike's heart. 365 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,751 She just really missed the kids. 366 00:17:33,819 --> 00:17:36,386 And the two older ladies that lived there, 367 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:39,190 They were used to them kids coming in and out. 368 00:17:39,258 --> 00:17:42,259 You think cathy was afraid at all of amy and ross? 369 00:17:42,328 --> 00:17:44,261 No. She never expressed that. 370 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:47,165 But it was always the talk of the area 371 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:49,400 That mike would go to flea markets 372 00:17:49,468 --> 00:17:54,005 And he would get some kind of video games that he collected. 373 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,440 There was a good resale market for him 374 00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:59,176 And that he would buy any old jewelry 375 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:00,644 That had some gold in it. 376 00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:02,146 It was always a rumor 377 00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:05,917 That he kept a lot of cash and gold stuff around. 378 00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:09,120 And I think you've got to be one sick puppy 379 00:18:09,188 --> 00:18:11,222 To go in there and kill two helpless old women. 380 00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:12,523 - I agree with you. - Yeah. 381 00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:14,926 The thought that somebody came in 382 00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:16,527 And killed those people, 383 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,062 I still have nightmares about that. 384 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:21,432 Sounds like a lot of people knew about mike's side business, 385 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,466 Which may have put a target on him. 386 00:18:22,535 --> 00:18:24,268 And it's curious that the murders 387 00:18:24,336 --> 00:18:26,470 Occurred on Halloween night with no forced entry. 388 00:18:26,538 --> 00:18:28,139 Could the killer or killers have, 389 00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:29,807 Under the guise of being a trick-or-treater, 390 00:18:29,875 --> 00:18:31,109 Gained entry to the house? 391 00:18:31,177 --> 00:18:32,576 These are all things we need to consider 392 00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:34,177 In this investigation. 393 00:18:34,179 --> 00:18:36,446 That's just still a lot of money to keep. 394 00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:37,981 Spingola: Yeah. I just don't understand people-- 395 00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:39,316 "I don't trust banks." 396 00:18:39,385 --> 00:18:40,984 Your chances of losing money to a bank, 397 00:18:40,986 --> 00:18:43,420 It's way less than somebody 398 00:18:43,489 --> 00:18:44,922 Busting into your house looking for it. 399 00:18:44,991 --> 00:18:45,890 Right. 400 00:18:47,259 --> 00:19:00,671 This morning, we're gonna get dr. Pinneri to come in 401 00:19:00,673 --> 00:19:02,340 And go through the autopsy stuff. 402 00:19:02,408 --> 00:19:03,908 - Mm-hmm. - We know 403 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:06,710 That on Halloween night, mike and cathy scott 404 00:19:06,712 --> 00:19:10,314 And their mothers were brutally stabbed and shot. 405 00:19:10,382 --> 00:19:12,883 - Y'all, this is dr. Pinneri. - Hey. I'm tyler duncan. 406 00:19:12,885 --> 00:19:14,284 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 407 00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:16,787 What we don't know is what their injuries can tell us 408 00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:18,923 About their attacker or attackers. 409 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:21,358 There's a lot to cover, so buckle up. 410 00:19:21,427 --> 00:19:24,895 Because with so many victims, it raises the question, 411 00:19:24,964 --> 00:19:27,665 Was there just one assailant or more? 412 00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:30,267 November 1, 2015, there were four individuals 413 00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:31,769 Found dead in a trailer. 414 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:34,038 The husband, a wife, and both of their mothers. 415 00:19:34,106 --> 00:19:36,307 We have one person in a bedroom, 416 00:19:36,375 --> 00:19:39,109 And the other three are in the living room. 417 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,545 They all have similar injuries. 418 00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:44,515 All of them are concentrated in the head and neck area. 419 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:45,849 Every single one of them 420 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:47,851 Has a defense-type injury of their hands. 421 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,655 So they're all fighting back against whoever this is. 422 00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:54,258 Terry michael scott is a 58-year-old male, 423 00:19:54,327 --> 00:19:56,327 And he's found face down in the living room. 424 00:19:56,395 --> 00:19:58,395 There's a huge pool of blood there. 425 00:19:58,464 --> 00:20:02,900 It's very clear that he exsanguinated at that area. 426 00:20:02,968 --> 00:20:05,969 So I think the male was probably killed first. 427 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:08,940 There's no disturbance of that blood. 428 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:10,641 So if he's getting up and walking around 429 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,611 And trying to protect the other occupants, 430 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:15,078 I would have expected 431 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,448 There to be more smeared blood from him. 432 00:20:17,516 --> 00:20:20,718 He has six sharp force injuries of the left side of the neck. 433 00:20:20,786 --> 00:20:21,985 Six different swipes. 434 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,787 - Yes. - I thought there were just two. 435 00:20:23,856 --> 00:20:25,322 The longest one of these 436 00:20:25,391 --> 00:20:28,025 Is estimated six and three-eighths inches. 437 00:20:28,093 --> 00:20:30,494 So, you know, probably about that long. 438 00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:32,630 We're talking about a long knife blade. 439 00:20:32,698 --> 00:20:35,233 So the gunshot wound to the head behind the left ear, 440 00:20:35,301 --> 00:20:37,367 There's no real hemorrhage in the soft tissues. 441 00:20:37,369 --> 00:20:40,037 I think this is a postmortem injury, 442 00:20:40,105 --> 00:20:42,540 Meaning he was already dead when it was sustained. 443 00:20:42,608 --> 00:20:45,776 The neck injuries and the incised wounds 444 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:47,745 And stab wounds, 445 00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:49,847 All of them were fatal in and of themselves. 446 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:53,384 I'm not really sure why this particular person or persons 447 00:20:53,452 --> 00:20:55,819 Chose to inflict the gunshot wounds 448 00:20:55,888 --> 00:20:57,855 After they were already pretty much dead, 449 00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,623 But that's what happened. 450 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:03,094 All right, so now we have the two elderly females. 451 00:21:03,162 --> 00:21:06,263 They're laying side by side on the floor in the living room. 452 00:21:06,332 --> 00:21:10,368 Violet is on the outside and barbara's on the inside. 453 00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:13,837 Violet. She has probably one of the most significant wounds. 454 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:15,873 It's a near decapitation. 455 00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:17,341 It goes almost all the way across 456 00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:18,709 From one side to the other. 457 00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:22,413 Also, she has two gunshot wounds of her head, 458 00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:24,615 And she's got defense wounds of her left hand. 459 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:27,718 So this is a 85-year-old lady that's fighting back. 460 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:30,520 Barbara scott has the most injuries of all of them. 461 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:32,590 Approximately six stab wounds 462 00:21:32,658 --> 00:21:35,159 Of the neck, chest, and left shoulder. 463 00:21:35,227 --> 00:21:36,227 So she has a gunshot wound to the head. 464 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:37,628 It goes in behind the right ear. 465 00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:40,397 There is stippling and residue on the actual ear, 466 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:41,799 So we're talking about close. 467 00:21:41,867 --> 00:21:43,701 Hearing about the knife wounds 468 00:21:43,769 --> 00:21:45,569 To barbara and violet made me angry. 469 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,604 These two old ladies wouldn't hurt a fly, 470 00:21:47,673 --> 00:21:49,272 Yet they went through hell. 471 00:21:49,274 --> 00:21:50,674 Stab wounds don't kill you instantly. 472 00:21:50,743 --> 00:21:52,710 They're slow, painful, and frightening. 473 00:21:52,778 --> 00:21:56,480 So now we'll go to cathy scott, and she's found in the bedroom. 474 00:21:56,548 --> 00:21:58,248 She's just got the one stab wound. 475 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,719 It goes into her right lung. It gets the major blood vessels. 476 00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:03,386 She has a lot of internal bleeding. 477 00:22:03,388 --> 00:22:05,589 This one goes in nine and a quarter inches. 478 00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:10,728 There is a rectangular bruise on the lateral edge of it 479 00:22:10,796 --> 00:22:12,562 That would be consistent with the handle. 480 00:22:12,632 --> 00:22:14,165 These injuries are very consistent 481 00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:16,267 With the ones caused by combat-type knives 482 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,035 With a hilt or guard near the handle. 483 00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:20,537 Ross vilardi was trained as a marine, 484 00:22:20,606 --> 00:22:23,106 Including in using a combat knife, 485 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,875 Typically a ka-bar. 486 00:22:24,944 --> 00:22:26,744 Ross can't explain where his ka-bar was 487 00:22:26,812 --> 00:22:28,078 Or if he ever had one. 488 00:22:28,147 --> 00:22:30,213 Could he have not only used his training 489 00:22:30,215 --> 00:22:32,516 But the actual weapon he was trained to use? 490 00:22:32,584 --> 00:22:35,052 So cathy, she's got two gunshot wounds. 491 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,556 And this is the hallway that's leading up to where she's found. 492 00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:42,059 And you can see footprints. 493 00:22:42,127 --> 00:22:44,628 So I don't know if she's having this altercation 494 00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:46,163 With a person right there. 495 00:22:46,231 --> 00:22:47,998 But in order for her to have this on her foot, 496 00:22:48,067 --> 00:22:49,500 She had to have walked on the carpet. 497 00:22:49,568 --> 00:22:51,268 The carpet where it's all bloody. 498 00:22:51,337 --> 00:22:53,503 - Yes. - Could cathy scott 499 00:22:53,573 --> 00:22:57,374 Have had any of her three injuries in the living room? 500 00:22:57,443 --> 00:22:59,943 Which of those would have given her time and ability 501 00:23:00,012 --> 00:23:04,081 To still be hurt but not dead to go to the bedroom? 502 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:05,749 The stab wound. 503 00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:08,451 It takes time for that blood to accumulate 504 00:23:08,453 --> 00:23:11,488 And deprive the brain of the oxygen it needs. 505 00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,891 So, yeah, absolutely. She could walk around with that. 506 00:23:13,959 --> 00:23:16,660 - Okay. - The stab wound was fatal 507 00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:18,562 Regardless of the shooting. 508 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:19,630 - Yes. - Okay. 509 00:23:19,698 --> 00:23:21,732 This is not a quick event. 510 00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,768 If you have a gun and you wanna kill four people, 511 00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:26,436 Why not just shoot them all? 512 00:23:26,438 --> 00:23:28,305 Dr. Pinneri picked up on one of the biggest mysteries 513 00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:29,907 Of this crime. 514 00:23:29,975 --> 00:23:32,042 Why would a killer use a knife if he had a gun? 515 00:23:32,111 --> 00:23:33,677 And why use the gun 516 00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:35,278 If the victims are actually already dead 517 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,515 Or dying of the knife ones? 518 00:23:37,517 --> 00:23:38,982 Could this have been a two-person job 519 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:40,584 Or just extreme overkill? 520 00:23:40,652 --> 00:23:44,555 Or did something not go according to the killer's plan? 521 00:23:55,467 --> 00:23:57,635 Hill: Thank y'all for coming down here. 522 00:23:57,703 --> 00:24:00,437 We know it was your mother and sister 523 00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:02,172 That were involved. 524 00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:04,942 Siegler: With four victims, two murder weapons, 525 00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:06,910 Thousands of dollars in stolen cash, 526 00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:09,579 And the possibility of multiple killers, 527 00:24:09,581 --> 00:24:11,915 Our crime-scene reconstruction analysis 528 00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,885 Is gonna be way more elaborate and detailed than usual. 529 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:17,554 So while we work to bring in some help, 530 00:24:17,556 --> 00:24:19,223 We've got more witnesses to talk to. 531 00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,925 We just kind of wanna go over what y'all remember 532 00:24:21,927 --> 00:24:24,828 About the case and then kind of get some details. 533 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:26,864 Siegler: We're hoping that cathy's brothers 534 00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:28,599 Can tell us a little bit more 535 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:31,602 About her strained relationship with her daughter amy 536 00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:35,338 And the possibility that mike's cash-driven side hustle 537 00:24:35,408 --> 00:24:37,341 Got him and his family killed. 538 00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:38,642 Now, one of the things that was brought up 539 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:41,579 Was mike's business that he did on the side. 540 00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,113 Y'all know anything about his business? 541 00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:45,382 Not a lot. But we were sort of concerned about it 542 00:24:45,451 --> 00:24:47,484 'cause cathy was going with him. 543 00:24:47,553 --> 00:24:49,386 They wouldn't have people come to their house? 544 00:24:49,455 --> 00:24:50,988 I don't think they ever did. 545 00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:52,389 He'd meet 'em somewhere most of the time. 546 00:24:52,458 --> 00:24:54,624 I know he was trying to make some money, 547 00:24:54,694 --> 00:24:57,595 But I said, "there already been a couple murdered." 548 00:24:57,597 --> 00:25:00,063 One guy was murdered was kind of local. 549 00:25:00,132 --> 00:25:02,199 Siegler: Detective hill actually made the scene 550 00:25:02,268 --> 00:25:04,935 Of a local couple who sold gold like mike, 551 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:06,770 Who were robbed and killed over it. 552 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,438 That killer was caught. 553 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,975 But if mike was meeting customers away from the house, 554 00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:14,645 It seems less likely that they would know where he lived 555 00:25:14,713 --> 00:25:16,513 Or where he kept his cash. 556 00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:18,882 What was amy like? Y'all known her her whole life. 557 00:25:18,951 --> 00:25:21,652 - She was odd. - How was cathy able 558 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,654 To maintain control of amy growing up? 559 00:25:23,722 --> 00:25:25,555 I don't think she could. 560 00:25:25,557 --> 00:25:29,493 I've seen 'em fight, and she'd get the best of cathy. 561 00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:31,061 Cathy and amy would actually go to it, fight? 562 00:25:31,063 --> 00:25:32,129 Yeah. 563 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:34,031 This is the first we've heard 564 00:25:34,099 --> 00:25:35,999 That cathy and amy had actually gotten 565 00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:38,635 Into physical altercations in the past. 566 00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:40,671 It sounds like they were having trouble 567 00:25:40,739 --> 00:25:43,573 Long before their feud over how to raise amy's kids. 568 00:25:43,643 --> 00:25:45,509 And toward the end, 569 00:25:45,577 --> 00:25:48,545 Did it get to where cathy just kind of gave up on her? 570 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:53,284 She had give up on amy when she took the kids 571 00:25:53,352 --> 00:25:56,353 And she know she wasn't gonna get 'em back. 572 00:25:56,421 --> 00:25:57,621 Why would amy do that to her mom, 573 00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:59,289 Tear the kids away like that? 574 00:25:59,358 --> 00:26:00,891 She wasn't getting the money she wanted. 575 00:26:00,959 --> 00:26:03,226 She used those kids as a weapon on her mother. 576 00:26:03,295 --> 00:26:04,995 She used the kids, 577 00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:07,698 Threatened to take 'em away or take 'em away. 578 00:26:07,766 --> 00:26:09,500 She ever asked you all for money? 579 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:12,736 No. She always hit her mama up. 580 00:26:12,804 --> 00:26:16,773 According to cathy's brothers, amy and cathy argued over money. 581 00:26:16,842 --> 00:26:19,209 I'd wondered if amy's feud with her mother 582 00:26:19,278 --> 00:26:22,680 Over how to raise her kids was enough to want her dead, 583 00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:26,483 But maybe amy had 60,000 other reasons. 584 00:26:26,551 --> 00:26:28,285 Will you just tell us what you remember 585 00:26:28,353 --> 00:26:30,020 And kind of what your relationship is? 586 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:30,921 Okay. 587 00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:45,603 When was the last time that you had spoken with cathy? 588 00:26:57,015 --> 00:26:58,681 Spingola: We read about the fact 589 00:26:58,683 --> 00:27:01,118 That amy posted online about the feud with her mother. 590 00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:02,853 Our digital forensics expert is looking 591 00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:05,623 At all the social media available on amy's posts 592 00:27:05,691 --> 00:27:07,725 About her mother and mike's side business. 593 00:27:07,727 --> 00:27:09,126 I don't care much for social media, 594 00:27:09,194 --> 00:27:10,493 But it could contain evidence 595 00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:12,229 That would help us solve this tragic case. 596 00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:15,466 I'm sorry about your grandma. 597 00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:29,780 She's in a better place than you and I are right now. 598 00:27:48,033 --> 00:27:50,667 Tell us what you remember about that night. 599 00:27:50,735 --> 00:27:52,836 We got the call from my mom. 600 00:27:52,904 --> 00:27:55,138 We got there, and it was overwhelming. 601 00:27:55,207 --> 00:27:58,275 And the family members, the neighbors 602 00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:00,043 Lined up on both sides of the street. 603 00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:04,247 The news media outlets were there. 604 00:28:04,249 --> 00:28:05,682 How was amy acting? 605 00:28:05,751 --> 00:28:08,318 She was just standing there like a normal... 606 00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:10,720 "I'm outside waiting for someone to pick me up." 607 00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:15,592 People crying on shoulders, and they're just iced. 608 00:28:15,661 --> 00:28:17,026 You know that's evidence. 609 00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:20,063 How people are acting is evidence, too. 610 00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:21,731 Did she speak with y'all at all? 611 00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:25,803 No. We didn't speak to amy till the funeral. 612 00:28:25,805 --> 00:28:29,940 And she just looked at us and said, "I didn't do it." 613 00:28:30,008 --> 00:28:32,442 She wasn't crying or upset or... 614 00:28:32,511 --> 00:28:34,077 No. She was in a red dress. 615 00:28:34,146 --> 00:28:35,478 She wore a red dress to the funeral? 616 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:38,181 A red dress with a-- you know like the 1960s? 617 00:28:38,183 --> 00:28:40,617 Like you would go to a horse race with the big hats. 618 00:28:40,686 --> 00:28:42,953 - Like the kentucky derby? - Like a kentucky derby hat. 619 00:28:43,021 --> 00:28:44,454 And I need to tell y'all, 620 00:28:44,523 --> 00:28:46,056 The day that we had our funeral service, 621 00:28:46,124 --> 00:28:47,558 A few hours later, 622 00:28:47,626 --> 00:28:49,392 Him and his family went in the house 623 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:51,061 And ripped everything out of the house 624 00:28:51,129 --> 00:28:53,062 And threw everything in the front yard. 625 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:56,466 All the blood, the carpet, the furniture. 626 00:28:56,535 --> 00:28:58,635 Everything went in the front yard. 627 00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:01,238 How fast did it start to become apparent 628 00:29:01,306 --> 00:29:03,507 That there was gonna be an issue about the money 629 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:06,376 And the jewelry and the coins and whatever? 630 00:29:06,378 --> 00:29:09,078 That was probably within the first week. 631 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,747 The neighbor across the street, he calls, 632 00:29:10,815 --> 00:29:13,950 Like, "just let you know, they came into the vehicles." 633 00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:15,853 They were looking for some documents, 634 00:29:15,855 --> 00:29:19,723 Whether it was the deed, property, money. 635 00:29:19,791 --> 00:29:22,826 Siegler: Amy seemed unemotional about the murders, 636 00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:25,628 And it sounds like her husband ross was, too. 637 00:29:25,630 --> 00:29:27,630 And as soon as they buried the bodies, 638 00:29:27,632 --> 00:29:31,000 They were getting rid of the old and looking for the gold. 639 00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:34,705 Maybe this was about more than just mike's stash of cash. 640 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,707 So, what's your take on ross and amy? 641 00:29:39,511 --> 00:29:41,612 Really? So he's not her punk. 642 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,646 She doesn't control him that much? 643 00:29:43,648 --> 00:29:44,848 - I don't think so. - You don't? 644 00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,884 I think they stick together like glue. 645 00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:48,952 Mm-hmm. So it's more like a partnership. 646 00:29:48,954 --> 00:29:51,488 Oh, yeah. They can come together to make one. 647 00:29:59,230 --> 00:30:02,032 ♪ hot color in this summer ♪ 648 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:06,203 ♪ I'm a sweatshirt on the black-top burner ♪ 649 00:30:06,271 --> 00:30:08,138 Siegler: Okay, so what all with this crime scene 650 00:30:08,207 --> 00:30:09,906 Are you hoping you can point out? 651 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:11,708 'cause I'm the one sitting there going, 652 00:30:11,777 --> 00:30:14,277 Did amy do this all by herself, 653 00:30:14,346 --> 00:30:16,713 Or did she have a little bit of help? 654 00:30:16,782 --> 00:30:19,449 Or did she not do any of the stabbing, shooting at all? 655 00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:20,651 What are you thinking? 656 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,152 One of the things I hope to point out 657 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:25,489 Is that you can track the people via the blood, 658 00:30:25,557 --> 00:30:28,024 Where the blood was, where they were found. 659 00:30:28,093 --> 00:30:30,694 Siegler: On Halloween night, 2015, 660 00:30:30,762 --> 00:30:33,897 Mike and cathy scott and their elderly mothers, 661 00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:37,934 Barbara and violet, were all fatally stabbed and shot. 662 00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:40,537 Cathy's daughter, amy, and her husband, ross, 663 00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:42,372 Have potential motives, 664 00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:45,375 Especially when you consider the tens of thousands of dollars 665 00:30:45,443 --> 00:30:47,444 Of stolen cash taken from the home. 666 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:50,247 But did they really carry out this crime? 667 00:30:50,315 --> 00:30:52,549 Was it one person or two? 668 00:30:52,551 --> 00:30:55,985 It's time to re-create this complex scene 669 00:30:55,987 --> 00:30:58,621 And try and figure out how this unfolded 670 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:00,457 And exactly who was in that trailer. 671 00:31:01,893 --> 00:31:03,260 You got some recruits, too, huh? 672 00:31:03,328 --> 00:31:04,962 Yes, ma'am. Wayne mills. 673 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:05,962 - Nice to meet you. I'm kelly. - Nice to meet you. 674 00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:08,931 - Scotty, who's over here? - Some of our new hires. 675 00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:11,401 They're recruits to assist in whatever y'all may need. 676 00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:13,270 Okay. And we have somebody that can play each victim. 677 00:31:13,338 --> 00:31:14,571 - We do. - Thank y'all. 678 00:31:14,639 --> 00:31:15,939 - Thank you. - Really helpful. 679 00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:17,740 So, captain, you were there that day. 680 00:31:17,742 --> 00:31:19,108 - I was. - And, scotty, you were there. 681 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:21,077 - Yes, ma'am. - Let's go in the house, 682 00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:23,246 In the trailer, and you kind of orient us. 683 00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:25,415 The scene when I first arrived 684 00:31:25,417 --> 00:31:27,484 Was the most brutal thing I've ever seen in my life. 685 00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:30,153 Blood everywhere. The smell. 686 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:31,888 I think about it hard enough, I can still smell it. 687 00:31:31,956 --> 00:31:35,625 Just a really strong copper smell. 688 00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:38,795 Everyone that I still talk to that was there that day, 689 00:31:38,864 --> 00:31:40,731 It was pretty traumatic for all of us. 690 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,900 So, you come in and you walk straight into the living room. 691 00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:46,770 Off the living room was the master bedroom to the right. 692 00:31:46,838 --> 00:31:50,307 There's a table with a large playset for toy cars. 693 00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:53,042 It really jumped out to me as being out of place 694 00:31:53,112 --> 00:31:55,045 Once we found out the kids haven't been there 695 00:31:55,113 --> 00:31:56,413 Since at least July 4th. 696 00:31:56,481 --> 00:31:57,547 It looks like they were preparing 697 00:31:57,616 --> 00:31:58,916 For the children to come over. 698 00:31:58,984 --> 00:32:00,417 - Okay. - The other thing, 699 00:32:00,485 --> 00:32:03,252 A bucket of Halloween candy never opened, 700 00:32:03,254 --> 00:32:04,554 But it was right next to the door. 701 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:05,955 Siegler: The night of the murder, 702 00:32:05,957 --> 00:32:08,325 Amy and ross were just a few hundred feet away 703 00:32:08,393 --> 00:32:11,428 In their trailer and her kids were out of town. 704 00:32:11,496 --> 00:32:13,796 We know that she had been keeping her kids away from them 705 00:32:13,866 --> 00:32:15,232 For a couple of months. 706 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:18,368 But according to witnesses and these toys, 707 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:19,836 It looks like mike and cathy were preparing 708 00:32:19,905 --> 00:32:22,205 To see the kids again soon. 709 00:32:22,274 --> 00:32:24,274 Could amy have made amends with her family 710 00:32:24,342 --> 00:32:26,976 Right before the murders so they would let their guard down? 711 00:32:27,046 --> 00:32:29,412 Okay, why don't y'all start with mike? 712 00:32:29,481 --> 00:32:30,914 He's right here. 713 00:32:33,151 --> 00:32:35,919 Just blood all around him. 714 00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:37,354 And I'll tell you what struck me is the fact 715 00:32:37,422 --> 00:32:38,689 That it was all in one place. 716 00:32:38,757 --> 00:32:40,657 He obviously didn't make it far. 717 00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:43,626 Barbara was found right here 718 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,229 On top of this corner of the loveseat. 719 00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:49,967 Violet was just right behind her. 720 00:32:50,035 --> 00:32:51,601 And they were actually so close 721 00:32:51,603 --> 00:32:53,936 That violet was actually touching barbara. 722 00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:56,106 So cathy is in here. 723 00:32:56,174 --> 00:32:59,208 We strongly suspect that at some point she was out here 724 00:32:59,210 --> 00:33:02,045 Because we have footprints that belong to her. 725 00:33:02,047 --> 00:33:04,314 But as she made her way into the bedroom, 726 00:33:04,382 --> 00:33:06,450 She fell over top of... 727 00:33:06,518 --> 00:33:08,919 It was a big pillow and a backpack. 728 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,389 And, scotty, tell cathy where the holster is in the bedroom. 729 00:33:12,457 --> 00:33:14,524 Hall: Underneath the bed near her. 730 00:33:14,593 --> 00:33:16,693 Inside of the bedroom near cathy's body, 731 00:33:16,761 --> 00:33:18,461 Investigators discovered an empty holster, 732 00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:21,464 Which could have contained a .38-caliber revolver, 733 00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:24,200 The same caliber of the gun that was used on the victims. 734 00:33:24,269 --> 00:33:25,735 It raises the possibility 735 00:33:25,804 --> 00:33:27,470 That cathy actually went into the bedroom 736 00:33:27,472 --> 00:33:28,738 And retrieved the pistol 737 00:33:28,807 --> 00:33:30,673 In order to defend her and her family, 738 00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:32,042 And it was turned against her 739 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:33,410 And the other victims in this crime. 740 00:33:33,478 --> 00:33:36,613 I believe the initial strike of cathy happened 741 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,381 Outside the room. 742 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,651 I think she went to get the gun, came back out, 743 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,655 And that's why we got the footprints this way in blood. 744 00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:49,225 The holster itself had a very small drop of blood on it. 745 00:33:49,294 --> 00:33:51,260 I think she's bending over it. 746 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:53,162 Right? And you can see a void pattern. 747 00:33:53,232 --> 00:33:54,431 That's where the gun comes from. 748 00:33:54,499 --> 00:33:56,133 - Absolutely. - She's going for it. 749 00:33:56,135 --> 00:33:57,567 I think that just enrages him, 750 00:33:57,636 --> 00:33:59,068 And it gives him another weapon here. 751 00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:00,837 - You're a marine, right? - Absolutely. 752 00:34:00,906 --> 00:34:04,141 Can you give us some marine thoughts on knives and all that? 753 00:34:04,143 --> 00:34:06,076 Marines go through martial arts training 754 00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:07,444 At parris island. 755 00:34:07,512 --> 00:34:09,579 They get various levels of knife training 756 00:34:09,648 --> 00:34:11,414 And hand-to-hand combat. 757 00:34:11,482 --> 00:34:14,117 And we know that ross endured this training. 758 00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:16,153 Would a marine be expected to be able 759 00:34:16,155 --> 00:34:18,055 To handle multiple people in that situation? 760 00:34:18,123 --> 00:34:19,822 Absolutely, especially after having 761 00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:21,057 Marine security guard training. 762 00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:22,759 That is an eight-week program 763 00:34:22,828 --> 00:34:25,862 That teaches marines to defend embassies. 764 00:34:25,931 --> 00:34:27,263 One of their training requirements 765 00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:29,198 Is handling multiple assailants at one time. 766 00:34:29,268 --> 00:34:32,169 It specifically says you aim for the neck area. 767 00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:33,470 - Wow. - I went through 768 00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:35,038 The marine corps back in 1997. 769 00:34:35,106 --> 00:34:37,240 I believe with the expertise that this took place, 770 00:34:37,308 --> 00:34:38,774 I believe it was somebody 771 00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:40,844 That was very comfortable with an edge weapon. 772 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:42,812 And a marine fits that category. 773 00:34:42,814 --> 00:34:45,147 This definitely took someone who took some training, 774 00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:48,585 Had some background in this type of situation, 775 00:34:48,653 --> 00:34:50,853 And obviously was very personally related 776 00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:52,089 To the victims. 777 00:34:52,157 --> 00:34:54,324 If you could go back to the front door 778 00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:56,459 And walk us through what you think happened. 779 00:34:56,528 --> 00:34:59,863 I think amy has everyone gathered in here. 780 00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:02,432 Family meeting. The kids are coming over. I don't know. 781 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:05,535 But everyone's in the living room waiting on ross. 782 00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:07,804 I think ross does come to the front door. 783 00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:09,272 I think amy probably lets him in. 784 00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:11,942 He turns, locks the door, comes in, 785 00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:13,410 Stabs mike right away. 786 00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:15,778 Mike starts to get up, 787 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:18,481 Cuts him across the throat. 788 00:35:18,483 --> 00:35:20,517 And then mike goes to his knees right here. 789 00:35:20,585 --> 00:35:22,685 And he's coming down, stabbing him here. 790 00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:25,087 That's when barbara tries to get up to get away. 791 00:35:25,089 --> 00:35:28,458 He hits barbara right here, taking the earring off. 792 00:35:28,527 --> 00:35:30,127 Cathy gets up, runs to the bedroom. 793 00:35:30,195 --> 00:35:32,028 Barbara is still getting up, 794 00:35:32,097 --> 00:35:34,364 And that's why we have so many stab wounds 795 00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:36,199 'cause she's trying to go this way. 796 00:35:36,268 --> 00:35:39,435 And he's coming behind her, stabbing her and stabbing her 797 00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:41,137 And slicing her as she goes. 798 00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,139 She finally drops here. 799 00:35:43,207 --> 00:35:44,841 I think violet, at this point, had made it here. 800 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:48,077 And I think amy is right here going, "nope." 801 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,012 Amy's stopping her. 802 00:35:50,014 --> 00:35:52,649 So he comes across really hard with her, 803 00:35:52,717 --> 00:35:54,050 Nearly takes her head off. 804 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:55,685 She goes down. 805 00:35:55,753 --> 00:35:58,421 I think that's when cathy comes out with the gun. 806 00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:01,491 He grabs her, stabs her just like that. 807 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,526 Amy takes the gun out of her hand. 808 00:36:03,595 --> 00:36:05,862 Cathy goes back in the bedroom. 809 00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:08,631 She kind of falls backwards. She's hurt. She's bleeding. 810 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:09,866 She trips and falls down. 811 00:36:09,935 --> 00:36:11,568 Amy comes in with the gun. 812 00:36:11,636 --> 00:36:14,270 And ross says, "finish her." 813 00:36:14,272 --> 00:36:16,506 Shoots her twice, close range. 814 00:36:16,574 --> 00:36:18,275 And now amy's worked up, 815 00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:22,278 And so she just comes in and just shoot, shoot. 816 00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:23,880 Grandma. Pow, pow. 817 00:36:23,948 --> 00:36:26,482 Gun clicks. That's the end of it. 818 00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:28,451 Spingola: I agree with sergeant hill. 819 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,053 Though I think that if it was amy and ross, 820 00:36:31,055 --> 00:36:33,690 It's more likely that ross used the knife and the gun 821 00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:35,825 While amy simply corralled everyone. 822 00:36:35,894 --> 00:36:37,594 There's no way to know for sure. 823 00:36:37,662 --> 00:36:40,062 But either way, I agree that this was a two-person job. 824 00:36:40,132 --> 00:36:41,698 A handler and a hunter. 825 00:36:41,766 --> 00:36:44,701 This is one stone-cold trained killer, man. 826 00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:46,436 He'd have taken two cops out in this room here 827 00:36:46,504 --> 00:36:48,605 Before we got a shot off. 828 00:36:48,673 --> 00:36:51,474 I believe this was extremely quick and extremely clean. 829 00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:53,576 If I'm amy's lawyer, though, 830 00:36:53,645 --> 00:36:56,613 You don't have any hard, commonsense argument here 831 00:36:56,681 --> 00:36:58,348 To put amy in the room. 832 00:36:58,416 --> 00:37:01,083 This theory could just be one killer, 833 00:37:01,153 --> 00:37:02,752 If I'm being objective. 834 00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:04,888 This area right here, I think, is paramount to the case. 835 00:37:04,956 --> 00:37:06,756 The barefoot of cathy 836 00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:08,558 Shows her coming and going from this bedroom. 837 00:37:08,626 --> 00:37:10,994 The transfer from the asics is on the floor. 838 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:12,729 There are asics speedstar shoes? 839 00:37:12,797 --> 00:37:14,264 Asics speedstar. 840 00:37:14,332 --> 00:37:18,068 Which has also been confirmed by the asics company 841 00:37:18,136 --> 00:37:21,838 That this is no doubt this shoe print in the house. 842 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,506 And these shoes were never found. 843 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:24,907 Okay. 844 00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:27,443 Along with cathy's bloody footprint, 845 00:37:27,512 --> 00:37:30,747 Investigators identified a partial shoe print, 846 00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:34,684 Specifically that of an asics speedstar running shoe. 847 00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:36,219 The question is, 848 00:37:36,287 --> 00:37:38,054 Which of our suspects does that belong to? 849 00:37:38,123 --> 00:37:39,723 Thank y'all so much. 850 00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:43,093 It really was special to do it this way. Thank y'all. 851 00:37:53,737 --> 00:37:55,972 So. I think devlin's here and he's ready to get started 852 00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:57,640 If y'all are ready. 853 00:37:57,642 --> 00:37:58,808 Okay. Yes, ma'am. 854 00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:00,176 'cause this might take a little bit. 855 00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:02,411 He's gonna go through it pretty detailed. 856 00:38:02,481 --> 00:38:05,014 The best part about investigating a cold case 857 00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:06,315 That's only eight years old, 858 00:38:06,385 --> 00:38:08,584 There are so many more resources 859 00:38:08,653 --> 00:38:11,921 For potential evidence, including social media. 860 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:15,358 Both of our victims, mike and cathy scott, and our suspects, 861 00:38:15,427 --> 00:38:19,195 Amy and ross vilardi, were avid facebook users. 862 00:38:19,264 --> 00:38:21,998 Our digital forensics expert, eric devlin, 863 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:25,302 Has been reexamining their social media data. 864 00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:27,404 All right, you ready to get going? 865 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:30,306 - Yes. - Tons and tons of social media. 866 00:38:30,375 --> 00:38:33,309 Starting out, you see a lot of communications back and forth 867 00:38:33,377 --> 00:38:35,377 From mike and cathy scott as well as amy 868 00:38:35,379 --> 00:38:36,613 That seemed to be fairly normal. 869 00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:38,347 So next one here. This is a post 870 00:38:38,417 --> 00:38:40,150 From mike and cathy scott's account. 871 00:38:40,218 --> 00:38:41,984 "my grandchildren and I." 872 00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,353 Just showing family relationship type of picture. 873 00:38:44,423 --> 00:38:46,323 And this is before the blow-up 'cause it's in may. 874 00:38:46,391 --> 00:38:48,024 Here's where I think you're starting to see 875 00:38:48,093 --> 00:38:49,458 Where the blowups starting to occur. 876 00:38:49,528 --> 00:38:51,561 July 9, 2015. 877 00:38:51,563 --> 00:38:54,364 This is amy vilardi making a public facebook post. 878 00:38:54,432 --> 00:38:56,732 "you can tell the same lies over and over. 879 00:38:56,802 --> 00:38:58,768 It's never going to make them true. 880 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,537 You best make sure that the other party 881 00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:01,971 Can't prove your lies wrong. 882 00:39:01,973 --> 00:39:03,473 Just because you are older than someone 883 00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:04,907 Doesn't make you right." 884 00:39:04,976 --> 00:39:06,176 And this is the one that people 885 00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:08,077 Are all telling law enforcement about. 886 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,446 She was talking about mike and cathy on facebook. 887 00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:11,748 Y'all should go read facebook. 888 00:39:11,816 --> 00:39:13,850 It started with this, don't you think? 889 00:39:13,918 --> 00:39:15,752 On July 10, 2015, 890 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:19,055 This is a direct message from pam isbell to amy vilardi. 891 00:39:19,123 --> 00:39:20,322 Siegler: That's 'cause she's mike's sister. 892 00:39:20,324 --> 00:39:22,558 Right. "amy, I am very sorry 893 00:39:22,627 --> 00:39:24,393 That things are not good right now. 894 00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:26,061 I know you are upset, 895 00:39:26,063 --> 00:39:28,331 But I wish you would take the bad talk off of facebook. 896 00:39:28,399 --> 00:39:29,699 I have no idea what has happened, 897 00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:31,968 But I do know that words hurt. 898 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:34,470 Think about the children, please, before posting things." 899 00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:38,408 Amy vilardi responds, "you have no idea what he's done to us. 900 00:39:38,476 --> 00:39:40,676 I'm not going to be bullied by him anymore. 901 00:39:40,745 --> 00:39:42,479 Pam, my mother lies for him, too. 902 00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:45,247 He will stop because I am finally done. 903 00:39:45,317 --> 00:39:47,049 He is not my kid's grandfather. 904 00:39:47,051 --> 00:39:49,686 He can never be that to them again." 905 00:39:49,754 --> 00:39:52,922 So if you could take that July 10th post right there 906 00:39:52,991 --> 00:39:55,558 And make your best argument for motive 907 00:39:55,627 --> 00:39:57,727 And the deterioration of the relationship, 908 00:39:57,795 --> 00:39:59,429 There's your foundation right there. 909 00:39:59,497 --> 00:40:03,032 On July 16, mike and cathy scott to amy vilardi-- 910 00:40:03,101 --> 00:40:04,667 "your mom and I want to apologize. 911 00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:06,736 No favors asked or requests. 912 00:40:06,804 --> 00:40:08,872 We have two elderly people suffering from this. 913 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:10,239 They have done nothing. 914 00:40:10,308 --> 00:40:12,041 As you all prepare for your vacation, 915 00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:14,411 We wish you a safe and enjoyable time." 916 00:40:14,479 --> 00:40:17,780 Trying to mend fences, build bridges at this point. 917 00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:21,551 These social media posts further prove what we've heard, 918 00:40:21,619 --> 00:40:25,688 That their feud over the kids came to a boil in July 919 00:40:25,757 --> 00:40:29,092 And amy was keeping the kids from mike and cathy. 920 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,094 Amy also posted quotes about emotional abuse, 921 00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:34,898 Narcissistic parents, and disrespect. 922 00:40:34,966 --> 00:40:37,767 But more than that, she posted videos 923 00:40:37,836 --> 00:40:40,370 Of her and ross arguing with her family. 924 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:53,149 There's an argument with her mother, cathy. 925 00:41:02,561 --> 00:41:05,361 What could I do to 'em? 926 00:41:05,429 --> 00:41:09,232 And an argument between ross and mike's mother, barbara. 927 00:41:10,868 --> 00:41:14,136 I don't know what cathy does. 928 00:41:14,205 --> 00:41:16,973 And that one ends with a haunting comment from ross. 929 00:41:17,041 --> 00:41:20,844 - Beggars! - That's right. I'm a beggar. 930 00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:28,284 But the best piece of evidence might be a facebook message 931 00:41:28,352 --> 00:41:30,920 That mike sent to a coworker before the murders. 932 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,990 On October 29, 2015, 933 00:41:34,058 --> 00:41:36,493 The account from mike and cathy scott to aaron luffy. 934 00:41:36,561 --> 00:41:38,361 Facebook image right there. 935 00:41:38,429 --> 00:41:40,630 That's taken directly from that facebook account. 936 00:41:40,698 --> 00:41:42,732 "you're in the money." interesting picture. 937 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,367 Two days before the murders, 938 00:41:44,435 --> 00:41:47,236 Mike sent a facebook message to a coworker 939 00:41:47,305 --> 00:41:49,371 With a photo of some cash, 940 00:41:49,441 --> 00:41:53,642 Cash we believe was stolen from his home by his killer... 941 00:41:53,644 --> 00:41:56,078 My understanding is y'all found $100 bills. 942 00:41:56,147 --> 00:41:58,347 Siegler: ...In the trailer where amy and ross lived. 943 00:41:58,416 --> 00:42:00,216 - It was in a safe. - Devlin: Hold on one second. 944 00:42:00,285 --> 00:42:01,751 Let me get to... 945 00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:04,120 So that's the picture y'all took of the money 946 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:05,822 Y'all grabbed from it. 947 00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:09,391 And you actually see the exact same serial number. 948 00:42:09,393 --> 00:42:12,228 Anderson county investigators inventoried the cash 949 00:42:12,297 --> 00:42:13,662 And photographed it that they recovered 950 00:42:13,732 --> 00:42:16,599 From amy and ross's trailer after the murders. 951 00:42:16,668 --> 00:42:20,136 And the serial numbers on their $100 bills 952 00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:23,005 Matched mike's money that he posted on facebook. 953 00:42:23,074 --> 00:42:25,275 That's proof that amy and ross 954 00:42:25,343 --> 00:42:28,077 Had mike's money in their trailer. 955 00:42:28,146 --> 00:42:30,413 That's absolutely amazing. 956 00:42:30,481 --> 00:42:33,049 Have you ever had that, eric, where you can prove the money 957 00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:36,418 From the dead victim's house is in your suspect's hands 958 00:42:36,488 --> 00:42:37,954 'cause the serial numbers match? 959 00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:40,122 I never have a picture good enough 960 00:42:40,191 --> 00:42:41,824 That I could read the serial number on. 961 00:42:41,892 --> 00:42:43,292 Because that shows you 962 00:42:43,361 --> 00:42:46,663 Your relationship deterioration, your motive. 963 00:42:46,665 --> 00:42:48,264 That was a treasure trove. 964 00:42:48,332 --> 00:42:50,266 Could a defense lawyer make the argument 965 00:42:50,335 --> 00:42:53,769 That mike gave that money to amy and ross? Possibly. 966 00:42:53,838 --> 00:42:56,172 Which is why we have a lot more work to do, 967 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,074 And we're just getting started. 968 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:01,811 Next time on "cold justice"... 969 00:43:01,879 --> 00:43:04,613 The military knife, it was large like this, 970 00:43:04,615 --> 00:43:06,582 Including the blade. 971 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,851 A chunk of change comes in right after that. 972 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,553 What's he buying? 973 00:43:10,622 --> 00:43:12,955 There's all their calls always hitting off of this tower, 974 00:43:13,024 --> 00:43:14,590 Which is covering both trailers. 975 00:43:14,659 --> 00:43:16,492 Here's a message that I found particularly important. 976 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,795 She says, "hey, babe, we need to go ahead and run." 977 00:43:19,797 --> 00:43:21,830 We know what happened. We're about to prove it. 978 00:43:21,832 --> 00:43:23,866 You don't wanna roll the dice on this, I'm telling you. 979 00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:26,068 You actually have the video of where ross went that night? 980 00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:27,970 - Yes. - Okay. 981 00:43:27,972 --> 00:43:30,506 Of him walking out a store. This is the camera at the door. 982 00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:32,141 So you notice right here. 983 00:43:32,209 --> 00:43:33,809 Nice. Nice. 984 00:43:33,811 --> 00:43:35,978 - If I decided to take a deal... - Right. 985 00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:38,715 ...Mine is gonna be "better" than amy's 986 00:43:38,717 --> 00:43:40,349 'cause I came to the trough first, right? 987 00:43:40,351 --> 00:43:42,651 We're not the ones who put you on this predicament. 988 00:43:42,653 --> 00:43:44,087 It's time to put some type of an end to this.