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Previously on "cold justice"...
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Y'all ready
to get working?
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Siegler: Steve and I arrived in
anderson county, south carolina
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To help the sheriff's department
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Investigate the 2015
quadruple murders
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Of married couple
mike and cathy scott
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And their elderly mothers,
barbara scott and violet taylor.
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All brutally stabbed, shot
and robbed of what we believe
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Were tens of thousands
of dollars in cash.
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There was no forced entry.
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At the time we believed
whoever killed them
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Was let into the house.
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All four victims were known
for their very caring natures
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And the love they all had
for their grandchildren.
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Their shocking murders
on Halloween night
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Left their community terrified
and their families devastated.
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[sobbing]
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We learned about cathy's
volatile relationship
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With our prime suspects:
Amy, her daughter,
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And her new husband, ross,
who also lived on the property.
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They fought over money
and how to raise amy's children.
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And amy was keeping the kids
from seeing cathy and mike.
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It goes almost all
the way across from one side
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To the other.
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It's a near decapitation.
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Siegler: The knife wounds
seem consistent
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With ross's military training
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And the combat knives
he had been trained to use.
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And we determined
that it was cathy's missing gun
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That was turned against her
and then everybody else.
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Shoots her twice, close range.
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Siegler: But most damning, a
photo of our victim mike's cash
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Taken before the murders,
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Which matched money found
in amy and ross's trailer
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After the murders.
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We haven't ruled out any
suspects or possibilities yet,
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But we're clearly
on the right track.
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[woman vocalizing]
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♪ who have I become? ♪
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♪ swear that I'm the enemy
ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
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♪ look at what
I've done, done ♪
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♪ it's comin' for ya ♪
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Spingola: You know,
these cases never go away.
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You get a whole family
that's wiped out
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And they were clearly
law-abiding people,
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You know, salt of the earth,
and those are the ones
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That bother people the most.
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This one here, it just
resonates with everybody.
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It's been eight years and no one
can believe it's been this long.
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No charges have been filed
and nothing has happened
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And it's just crazy.
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We still have
unanswered questions.
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Was this crime committed
by one person or more?
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Why that night?
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And who do those bloody shoe
prints at the scene belong to?
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One thing that is clear:
Mike and cathy's families
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Have gone way too long
without answers or justice.
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Siegler: How y'all doing
this morning?
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- How are you doing, gentlemen?
- Morning.
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Siegler: We did
17 people yesterday.
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We knocked some stuff out.
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We've established amy and ross
vilardi's financial motives
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And we have proved that they had
mike's cash in their trailer.
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But more than that,
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We've uncovered a very
deteriorating relationship
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Between amy
and her mother, cathy,
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Leading up to the murders.
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Most everybody said that cathy
has been trying
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Amy's whole life to try
and make her mind
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And grow up and do the right
thing and she's just beaten down
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'cause amy has never behaved
or minded her whole life.
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From the minute
she had those kids,
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She never had
a maternal instinct.
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Cathy did everything.
She changed the diapers.
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She fed them. She burped them.
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And amy would just sit there
and do her thing on her phone
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And live her life.
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Those kids really were raised
by mike and cathy.
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Amy didn't do anything
until the last couple of months
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When she used them
for ammunition.
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I think amy took
that the wrong way.
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I think with cathy really
trying to help get her
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On the right track,
not only for herself
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But to raise her kids,
amy took that as controlling.
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But amy's all about the money.
Always has been.
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Why would amy
do that to her mom?
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Tear the kids away like that.
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She wasn't getting
the money she wanted.
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She used those kids
as a weapon on her mother.
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It shows the character
of mike and cathy
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And then also
the character of amy.
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Everybody we talked to,
just so you know,
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So thankful
you're working the case.
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Can't believe
nothing's happened.
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Everybody's invested.
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If we're gonna build
a circumstantial evidence case
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Against amy and ross,
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We need to consider the fact
that they could argue
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Against our strongest piece
of physical evidence--
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That those matching bills
in their trailer
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Were given to them by mike.
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So if they are responsible,
we need more.
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And we have to prove that
beyond a reasonable doubt.
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We need to take a really hard
look at their financial records,
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Their business records
and their cell records
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And talk to any witnesses
at all in this world
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To see what we can do
to strengthen this case.
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Hello, miss hannah.
How are you?
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I'm good. How are you?
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- I'm kelly. Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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Hill: Let's just
get started with--
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Tell us what you can remember.
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I worked for amy and ross
back in 2015.
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Amy and ross claim
that that $67,000 found
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In their trailer
came from their life savings,
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Including the dog-grooming
business styles for miles.
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We wanna learn
everything that we can
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About the business records
and the financial records
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To see whether or not
that can be verified.
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Hannah schneider is not just
a former employee of amy.
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She's also her cousin.
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How long had styles for miles
been open?
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They had their mobile
before they had that shop.
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So the mobile for maybe five
years and that shop three years.
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Hill: Was it successful?
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We were constantly busy,
but it was just constantly
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Something financial.
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Like, every morning
when I got there,
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I would check the voicemails,
check the phone calls.
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And there was bill collectors
calling and leaving voicemails
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Like you wouldn't believe.
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And I was fired.
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I can't remember exactly
if it was August
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Or September of that year.
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They were having money issues
and paying me.
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So that's where
the whole argument
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And disagreement started,
and then they were like,
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We're just gonna let you go.
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Even then my last paycheck
was like $300 short.
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Hill: You confronted them?
Is that what I'm hearing?
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- Yes.
- About the money situation.
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Yeah.
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And instead of trying
to fix it,
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They just said
"we don't need you anymore"?
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When did your checks
start coming up short?
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- Two weeks after I started.
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It sounds like amy and ross's
dog-grooming business
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Was struggling.
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That could account
for why we heard amy and cathy
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Were fighting about money.
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What about the relationship
between amy and her mom?
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Turmoil.
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- Always?
- Always.
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They were constantly
arguing, fighting,
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Screaming at each other
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And then going
into the husband she married.
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I think that just
added on to amy's anger.
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- Did she have anger?
- Oh yeah.
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Hill: What about ross?
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Did he ever talk
about himself at all?
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I know he was in the army.
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Siegler: Did ross
ever carry knives?
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Hannah: I know amy does.
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Amy's car used to be
loaded down with stuff.
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There would be like little
pocket knives here and there.
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But to me that wasn't an alarm
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Because I'm a country girl.
I was raised on a farm.
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We all have pocket knives
and stuff like that.
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But the military
bowie-looking knife.
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How'd you know
it was a military knife?
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Because it was large like this,
including the blade,
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And the handle
was probably like this.
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My step-grandpa
gave me a knife like that
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And it had a compass
on the end,
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And he was in the vietnam war,
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So it looked kind of similar
to what I was given.
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Hill: Okay.
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We had wondered
if the knife used in the murders
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Was a combat knife, kind of like
the one hannah is describing.
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Hannah: Thank y'all very much.
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Could that be our murder weapon?
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Could amy have been
the one who used it?
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When something
like this happens,
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You don't ever forget about it.
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It never goes away.
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Mike's my only brother,
my only sibling.
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Older. So handsome.
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And he loved
being a grandfather.
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Cathy loved her horses
and the dogs
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And they never took time
for themselves.
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They were always
taking care of someone.
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My mother was a very godly
woman, very loving.
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Wonderful cook.
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The best mama.
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She and mrs. Taylor,
they kind of had each other.
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She was such a sweet,
quiet-natured woman.
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And after the murders,
I'm just not the same.
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I've spent the last
eight years waiting
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For some sort of justice.
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Now, rocksy's got some
transcripts because she actually
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- Was really interviewed.
- Right.
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She's definitely
in the middle of that world
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Because she used to work
for 'em, remember?
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Yep.
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We've just heard
that our suspects
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Amy and ross's dog-grooming
business was hurting,
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Which may have fueled their
potential financial motives
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For killing amy's mom, cathy,
stepfather mike,
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And their elderly mothers
barbara and violet.
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It also supports our theory
that that cash found
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In amy and ross's trailer
was stolen.
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- Rocksy, how are you doing?
- Good. How are you?
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- Doing fine.
- Come on in.
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We tracked down
another former employee
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To provide further insight.
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So you worked
for ross and amy, right?
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- Mm-hmm.
- What was your job there?
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When you worked
for the shop,
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You said they were
just getting started,
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So they weren't
very successful yet.
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Hill: Okay.
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Hill: Okay.
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Hill: What kind of stuff
would she say
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About how she was treated?
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Mm-hmm.
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Siegler: We've heard a lot
of talk about amy describing
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Her mother's being narcissistic
and overbearing.
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But now we're also hearing
that amy blamed her mom
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For being the person
who prematurely pulled the plug
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On her dad's
life support system.
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If that is true, that adds
a whole new element
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To their dysfunctional dynamic.
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Hill: After the bodies were
discovered, did you talk
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To amy at all that week?
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Hill: Did amy
help you clean that up?
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What was her emotional state
while doing that?
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So she's laughing, cleaning up
her family's blood?
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Mm-hmm.
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She's not crying over...
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What was ross like
after the murders?
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right.
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[hill chuckles]
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So, talking about the money
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You recovered
with the search warrant,
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00:12:12,031 --> 00:12:15,867
$67,000 from amy
and ross's trailer
251
00:12:15,935 --> 00:12:18,836
And their answer to you back
then was, "that's our money.
252
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We don't believe in banks.
253
00:12:20,273 --> 00:12:23,207
And it came from ross's
military, disability,
254
00:12:23,209 --> 00:12:25,042
And my great income
from the grooming business.
255
00:12:25,111 --> 00:12:27,445
That's where
we got the $67,000."
256
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And you have a report detailing
years of income and outcome.
257
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Let's go over the money part
of all this.
258
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Spingola: We've heard
that amy and ross's business
259
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Was not as successful
as they said it was.
260
00:12:40,793 --> 00:12:42,960
But the sheriff's department has
acquired their financial records
261
00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:45,863
Around the time of the murder
to get the complete picture.
262
00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:47,331
It's time to break it all down.
263
00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,133
Then 2013--
264
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That was a big
settlement for ross
265
00:12:50,903 --> 00:12:52,369
After he got
out of the military.
266
00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:54,806
So the chunk of change
comes in with ross's
267
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Military disability check.
268
00:12:56,643 --> 00:13:00,144
Va disability settlement
was $25,000.
269
00:13:00,213 --> 00:13:02,914
In 2013, two years
before the murders,
270
00:13:02,982 --> 00:13:05,583
Amy and ross's
proven income was $25,000
271
00:13:05,651 --> 00:13:07,251
From a disability settlement,
272
00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,253
$17,000 from their
business, and roughly
273
00:13:09,255 --> 00:13:11,689
A $5,000 income tax refund.
274
00:13:11,758 --> 00:13:14,992
And at the same time or right
after that, what's he buying?
275
00:13:15,061 --> 00:13:18,829
Four months later,
he's buying a $14,000 truck,
276
00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:24,035
And then in September of that
year, he buys a $5,800 mustang.
277
00:13:24,103 --> 00:13:27,972
He bought two harley-davidsons
for a total of $15,000.
278
00:13:28,041 --> 00:13:30,841
So that's $35,000
he spent right there.
279
00:13:30,843 --> 00:13:33,277
And his disability
settlement was $25,000,
280
00:13:33,346 --> 00:13:35,246
So we're already negative
on what he's bought.
281
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Hill: Right there
off the bat.
282
00:13:37,216 --> 00:13:40,618
So then all their real income
is simply styles for miles.
283
00:13:40,687 --> 00:13:45,557
In 2014, they only made about
$2,700 off of styles for miles.
284
00:13:45,625 --> 00:13:48,525
In 2015, how much
are they making?
285
00:13:48,595 --> 00:13:51,663
- Duncan: Around $27,000.
- Hill: Total.
286
00:13:51,731 --> 00:13:53,164
Total.
287
00:13:53,232 --> 00:13:54,665
When you're putting
together a murder case,
288
00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:56,334
You need to also try
to answer the question:
289
00:13:56,402 --> 00:13:58,336
Why now?
290
00:13:58,404 --> 00:14:00,972
These financial records, when
you look at them critically,
291
00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,842
They don't just tell you that
amy and ross wanted money,
292
00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:05,243
They needed money.
293
00:14:05,311 --> 00:14:07,411
Now we have further evidence
294
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,479
That that money
found in the trailer
295
00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:10,114
Was not their life savings.
296
00:14:10,183 --> 00:14:12,016
It was money stolen
from the crime scene.
297
00:14:12,084 --> 00:14:13,685
The business
wasn't doing as well
298
00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:16,020
As they acted like it was doing.
299
00:14:16,088 --> 00:14:20,858
So you can say right away,
that $67,000 does not add up
300
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,127
To what they claim,
their explanation to you
301
00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,896
Justifying the money
was back in 2015.
302
00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:28,032
And then you have
the serial numbers.
303
00:14:28,101 --> 00:14:29,701
If you didn't even have
the serial numbers,
304
00:14:29,769 --> 00:14:31,102
You could say the money
doesn't add up.
305
00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:32,170
- Duncan: Right.
- They're broke.
306
00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:48,019
Siegler: Come on in.
307
00:14:48,087 --> 00:14:49,820
- How y'all doing today?
- All: Good.
308
00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:51,990
- Ready to get into it?
- Yes.
309
00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:54,759
Evidence is mounting
that amy and ross vilardi
310
00:14:54,827 --> 00:14:58,796
Were responsible for the 2015
murders of mike and cathy scott
311
00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:01,399
And their mothers,
barbara and violet.
312
00:15:01,467 --> 00:15:03,801
We've only got two things left
to clear up.
313
00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:06,437
Were they both
at the crime scene that night,
314
00:15:06,506 --> 00:15:08,772
And what about those
bloody shoe prints?
315
00:15:08,842 --> 00:15:12,776
Our digital forensics expert has
reviewed the cell phone records
316
00:15:12,846 --> 00:15:15,779
Examined by the sheriff's
department, and that could help.
317
00:15:15,781 --> 00:15:17,148
All right.
We're going to start
318
00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:18,716
With cell tower
location records.
319
00:15:18,785 --> 00:15:21,052
Y'all got court orders
for amy vilardi.
320
00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,155
You also have
the ross vilardi records.
321
00:15:24,223 --> 00:15:26,224
There's your area here
that you're focusing in on--
322
00:15:26,292 --> 00:15:28,125
Pendleton around
the crime scene.
323
00:15:28,194 --> 00:15:30,194
There's all their calls here
that you've got.
324
00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:31,529
They're always hitting
off at this tower,
325
00:15:31,597 --> 00:15:32,863
Which is covering both trailers.
326
00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:35,266
That's consistent
with what their story is.
327
00:15:35,335 --> 00:15:37,668
They were there
at the home location.
328
00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:39,803
Spingola: Amy and ross's trailer
was located only a few yards
329
00:15:39,873 --> 00:15:41,439
From the crime scene.
330
00:15:41,507 --> 00:15:43,341
The good news is that
the location data shows
331
00:15:43,409 --> 00:15:45,543
That they were actually home
the night of the murders.
332
00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:47,778
The bad news is
we already knew that.
333
00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:48,980
I'm actually more interested
in their text messages
334
00:15:49,048 --> 00:15:51,081
To see what that reveals.
335
00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,383
We're gonna dive right
into the digital forensics.
336
00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:56,487
So here is 9-4-2015.
337
00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:58,556
Ross sends a message to amy.
338
00:15:58,624 --> 00:16:00,658
[reading]
339
00:16:03,395 --> 00:16:04,862
More financial trouble.
340
00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:07,231
This was on 10-15-2015.
341
00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:08,099
Amy hendricks.
342
00:16:11,071 --> 00:16:12,437
Ross replies...
343
00:16:16,609 --> 00:16:18,876
Here's one that I found
particularly important
344
00:16:18,944 --> 00:16:20,611
Because this is talking
about what actually
345
00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,446
They owe at this point.
346
00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,048
So this is a message
between amy and ross.
347
00:16:24,117 --> 00:16:26,284
10-22-2015.
348
00:16:26,352 --> 00:16:27,819
Ross sends a message:
349
00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:33,458
Amy replied:
350
00:16:41,768 --> 00:16:45,102
So having no money and you've
seen all those other messages,
351
00:16:45,104 --> 00:16:49,039
They're expecting to have $7,000
in the account on the first.
352
00:16:49,109 --> 00:16:50,508
Where's that money coming from?
353
00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:54,578
Siegler: Nine days before
the murders, amy texted ross
354
00:16:54,647 --> 00:16:58,182
That they would have $7,000
on November the 1st,
355
00:16:58,251 --> 00:17:00,084
One day after the murders.
356
00:17:00,153 --> 00:17:01,753
How did she know
they were suddenly
357
00:17:01,821 --> 00:17:04,221
Going to come into $7,000?
358
00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:07,024
That's evidence
of premeditation,
359
00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:09,493
And come to think of it,
so is arranging
360
00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:11,329
To have your children
out of town.
361
00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:13,731
Devlin: On 10-31-2015--
362
00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:15,232
The day of the murder, right?
363
00:17:15,301 --> 00:17:17,468
8:33:08 p.M.
364
00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:19,637
Ross sends a message
to amy hendricks:
365
00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:22,005
"so 10 minutes then, lol."
366
00:17:22,075 --> 00:17:25,509
Amy hendricks replies
at 8:36:18 p.M.
367
00:17:25,511 --> 00:17:28,579
"everyone is up now talking,
ha ha ha, take my car,
368
00:17:28,648 --> 00:17:30,247
Grab a six-pack."
369
00:17:30,316 --> 00:17:32,950
Spingola: At 8:36 p.M.
On the night of the murders,
370
00:17:33,019 --> 00:17:34,485
Amy texted ross and said,
371
00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:36,320
"everyone is up now
and talking."
372
00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:38,056
We can't say for sure
what that means,
373
00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:40,924
But it could be that she's
inside mike and cathy's trailer
374
00:17:40,926 --> 00:17:42,526
Signaling that
it's a good time for ross
375
00:17:42,528 --> 00:17:43,995
To come over and join them.
376
00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,963
Isn't that the best piece
of evidence we have
377
00:17:46,031 --> 00:17:48,699
Putting amy in the trailer?
Right?
378
00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:51,201
Spingola: This matches our
reenactment of the crime scene
379
00:17:51,271 --> 00:17:53,204
And that amy actually had
a hand in what went down
380
00:17:53,272 --> 00:17:54,705
Inside of that trailer.
381
00:17:54,774 --> 00:17:56,174
I think amy probably
lets him in.
382
00:17:56,242 --> 00:17:59,443
He turns, locks
the door, comes in.
383
00:17:59,445 --> 00:18:02,046
If we're right,
her attitude is disgusting.
384
00:18:02,114 --> 00:18:07,017
Here's a message on 11-5-2015
from amy hendricks to ross.
385
00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:08,853
She says...
386
00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:12,723
There's no context around it.
387
00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:14,225
It looks to me like
she's planning on running.
388
00:18:21,801 --> 00:18:24,167
Siegler: Amy sent ross
to go buy beer
389
00:18:24,169 --> 00:18:25,869
On the night of the murders.
390
00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:27,939
After some really
good detective work,
391
00:18:28,007 --> 00:18:29,840
The sheriff's office
has found the evidence
392
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:31,042
We've been waiting for.
393
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:33,076
And you actually have
the video of it?
394
00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:34,645
- Yes, we have the video of him
- okay.
395
00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,147
Walking out of the store
396
00:18:36,215 --> 00:18:39,416
After purchasing the beer
on Halloween night.
397
00:18:39,418 --> 00:18:40,851
So this is the camera
at the door.
398
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,386
- Siegler? That's him?
- That's him walking out.
399
00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:43,855
The interesting thing
about this is--
400
00:18:43,923 --> 00:18:46,156
And I'll play it one more time
'cause it is quick.
401
00:18:46,158 --> 00:18:48,692
So you notice like right here,
402
00:18:48,694 --> 00:18:52,796
Those red, asics shoes
match the bloody footprint
403
00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:54,265
We had in the crime scene.
404
00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:55,933
This is so great.
405
00:18:56,001 --> 00:18:58,936
The surveillance video
clearly shows ross
406
00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:01,439
Wearing the same
asics tennis shoes.
407
00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:04,408
It's exactly what we thought,
and now we can prove it.
408
00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:08,045
We are able to confirm those
shoes are the asics shoes
409
00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:10,380
- Confirmed by asics.
- Nice.
410
00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:13,884
The best part is, there were
drops of blood visible
411
00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:16,353
On top of those shoe prints.
412
00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:17,688
So they weren't
from somebody walking
413
00:19:17,757 --> 00:19:19,189
Through the crime
scene afterwards.
414
00:19:19,259 --> 00:19:21,492
They were left
during the attack,
415
00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:23,094
And they belonged to the killer.
416
00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:24,862
Jackpot.
417
00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:27,531
Those shoes were never found.
We looked everywhere we could.
418
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,900
That's good.
419
00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:31,635
And the sweatshirt
also never recovered.
420
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:33,370
- That's great.
- Mm-hmm.
421
00:19:33,439 --> 00:19:35,606
It's time to confront
ross and amy.
422
00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:53,624
Siegler: This is the one thing
that scotty was excited about.
423
00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,726
Neither one of them,
ross or amy,
424
00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:57,195
Has ever been confronted
with the evidence
425
00:19:57,263 --> 00:19:59,263
With the shoe print,
with the money.
426
00:19:59,331 --> 00:20:01,332
I agree she's
as guilty as he is,
427
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,967
But if you come out of here
with him going to jail
428
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:07,705
For the rest of his life
and she takes some bum-rush,
429
00:20:07,773 --> 00:20:09,106
I don't care what it is,
receiving stolen--
430
00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:10,474
I could live with that.
Honest to god.
431
00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:12,843
- No, no, no.
- I'm telling you.
432
00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:14,478
I'd rather
he get away with it than her.
433
00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,013
No.
434
00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:17,949
- It's all her ideas, steve.
- Ross did it.
435
00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:19,483
- Amy was always going to be--
- ross is a big boy.
436
00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,084
- Ross is a marine.
- So what?
437
00:20:21,154 --> 00:20:24,087
If he had never met amy vilardi,
they would still be alive.
438
00:20:24,157 --> 00:20:26,223
- It's all her.
- Okay.
439
00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:27,825
Siegler: Today's the big day.
440
00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:29,627
It's time to talk
to the prime suspects
441
00:20:29,695 --> 00:20:32,996
In one of this county's
biggest unsolved cases:
442
00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,365
Amy and ross vilardi.
443
00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:36,267
Good morning, boys.
444
00:20:36,335 --> 00:20:39,903
We've uncovered mountains
of circumstantial evidence
445
00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:42,506
And answered almost
all of our questions.
446
00:20:42,574 --> 00:20:45,977
At this point,
one big question still remains:
447
00:20:46,045 --> 00:20:49,880
Will either of them confess
or turn on the other one?
448
00:20:49,882 --> 00:20:51,015
Well, you're the boss
and I know you were excited
449
00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:52,616
To talk to ross.
450
00:20:52,618 --> 00:20:54,284
So talk us through
what you're thinking.
451
00:20:54,286 --> 00:20:56,186
What's your strategy on that?
'cause he knows you.
452
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:57,255
Right.
453
00:21:01,026 --> 00:21:02,860
I'm going to try the old
wisconsin knock.
454
00:21:06,832 --> 00:21:09,800
We're going to introduce
tyler to him as someone
455
00:21:09,869 --> 00:21:13,303
Who didn't work here at the time
these murders happened.
456
00:21:13,373 --> 00:21:15,305
Hey. Are you ross?
457
00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:16,674
I'm tyler duncan.
458
00:21:16,742 --> 00:21:18,442
I'm with the anderson county
sheriff's office.
459
00:21:18,511 --> 00:21:20,210
- This is steve.
- How you doing?
460
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,413
I got assigned the case
about the homicide
461
00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:25,315
That happened
in pendleton in 2015.
462
00:21:25,385 --> 00:21:29,086
He is the new lead and he is
going back to the beginning
463
00:21:29,154 --> 00:21:31,555
And investigating everything
all over again.
464
00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:33,190
Amy found the bodies.
465
00:21:33,259 --> 00:21:34,758
She's the one who called 911.
466
00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:36,393
- Is amy here?
- She is.
467
00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:38,195
So since she's the one
that called 911--
468
00:21:38,263 --> 00:21:40,931
I think you were there also.
We'd like to talk to you.
469
00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:43,367
We wanna talk to 'em
separately if at all possible.
470
00:21:43,435 --> 00:21:45,035
If you wanna come on out,
we'll talk to you
471
00:21:45,104 --> 00:21:46,304
And then we can talk to her.
472
00:21:46,372 --> 00:21:47,838
Duncan: Did we wake you up?
473
00:21:47,907 --> 00:21:49,340
- Yeah.
- I'm sorry.
474
00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:50,440
Hopefully they
don't have any idea
475
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:52,275
That we've been working on it
476
00:21:52,277 --> 00:21:55,078
And just pretend like he doesn't
have a clue about the case.
477
00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,181
That sounds like a good plan.
478
00:21:57,249 --> 00:21:58,849
Can you describe, I guess,
479
00:21:58,917 --> 00:22:01,419
Your relationship
with mike and cathy?
480
00:22:01,421 --> 00:22:03,353
I had a good relationship
with cathy.
481
00:22:03,422 --> 00:22:06,490
My relationship with mike
was really great, actually.
482
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,827
It kind of turned sideways
a little bit, July 4th.
483
00:22:09,895 --> 00:22:13,263
Amy was pretty upset
with him and told cathy
484
00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,734
That you and mike
need to respect what I say
485
00:22:16,802 --> 00:22:19,136
'cause I'm their mother.
You're not their parent.
486
00:22:19,205 --> 00:22:23,841
That's when things started going
sour between amy and cathy.
487
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:26,243
So I think y'all had
got married that year.
488
00:22:26,311 --> 00:22:27,611
- Is that right, 2015?
- Correct.
489
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,713
- Yes, October 24th.
- The 24th.
490
00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:31,548
Duncan: That would have been
about a week or so before.
491
00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:34,618
Where were the kids at when
y'all had gotten married?
492
00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:36,253
Were they with your parents?
493
00:22:36,322 --> 00:22:39,757
Yeah, so we had a small ceremony
at my parent's place.
494
00:22:39,825 --> 00:22:42,359
My mom and dad offered
to watch the kids.
495
00:22:42,428 --> 00:22:46,230
Amy and I were just going to
have a couple days to ourselves.
496
00:22:46,298 --> 00:22:48,732
It was why we'd come down
the following weekend
497
00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:50,768
To pick the kids back up
from my parents
498
00:22:50,836 --> 00:22:52,936
And take them back up with us.
499
00:22:53,005 --> 00:22:55,739
- What date was that?
- Halloween eve.
500
00:22:55,808 --> 00:22:59,176
No, I'm sorry. Halloween night
we came back down here.
501
00:22:59,244 --> 00:23:03,514
Duncan: Y'all came down
Saturday, Halloween night.
502
00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:05,282
Stayed for the weekend.
503
00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:09,153
And then after that,
you got the kids and went back.
504
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:13,290
I believe it was Sunday evening
or Monday that we went back.
505
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,058
I can't remember.
506
00:23:15,127 --> 00:23:17,895
The last time that I saw mike
and cathy was before
507
00:23:17,963 --> 00:23:21,265
Amy and I left to come
down that Halloween.
508
00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:23,233
Ross's story doesn't
match what he and amy
509
00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:25,202
Initially told law enforcement.
510
00:23:25,271 --> 00:23:26,870
That they were home
on the night of the murders
511
00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:28,605
Just a few yards
from the crime scene.
512
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:31,608
And it doesn't match the cell
phone location data either.
513
00:23:31,677 --> 00:23:33,176
It's clear he doesn't remember
514
00:23:33,246 --> 00:23:35,112
They actually already told
the truth about that.
515
00:23:35,181 --> 00:23:38,015
It seems like he's trying
to concoct a new alibi.
516
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:41,719
We had just gotten back
from my mom and dad's.
517
00:23:41,787 --> 00:23:43,954
I was out running
a couple of errands.
518
00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:48,291
She had noticed that her mom's
dogs had not been taken out yet.
519
00:23:48,293 --> 00:23:49,893
She went to knock on the back
door, but the back door
520
00:23:49,895 --> 00:23:54,164
Kind of was already cracked open
or something like that.
521
00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:59,937
And that's when she apparently
found the scene that she found.
522
00:24:00,005 --> 00:24:03,140
She went bolting back
out of the house.
523
00:24:03,208 --> 00:24:05,276
I think she called 911
before she called me
524
00:24:05,344 --> 00:24:07,144
If I remember correctly.
525
00:24:07,212 --> 00:24:10,180
She called me and said, "I need
you to be home immediately."
526
00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:13,750
When I got home, she told me--
she said, "take the kids,
527
00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:16,220
Go to a back bedroom and keep
them away from the windows."
528
00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:17,487
So you didn't go over
to the other trailer.
529
00:24:17,489 --> 00:24:18,689
No.
530
00:24:18,757 --> 00:24:20,191
Over to mike
and cathy's trailer.
531
00:24:20,259 --> 00:24:23,360
Correct. I never went
in that trailer that day.
532
00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:26,196
So after you last seen them, you
never went in their place again?
533
00:24:26,265 --> 00:24:28,098
Correct. Correct. Yeah.
534
00:24:28,167 --> 00:24:29,867
Spingola: Tyler's
making ross confirm
535
00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:32,369
That he never actually entered
mike and cathy's trailer,
536
00:24:32,437 --> 00:24:33,804
Setting the trap
when we confront him
537
00:24:33,872 --> 00:24:35,505
About those shoe prints.
538
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:38,141
There was a couple of things
that kind of were red flags,
539
00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,945
But I don't know if they have
anything to do with this or not.
540
00:24:41,013 --> 00:24:42,980
Mike bought and sold
a lot of items.
541
00:24:43,048 --> 00:24:45,349
And some of the people
that he was buying from
542
00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:48,718
Were pretty shady sometimes.
543
00:24:48,788 --> 00:24:52,189
On a couple of occasions,
he had these people come
544
00:24:52,257 --> 00:24:55,792
To the property and amy
had the conversation
545
00:24:55,861 --> 00:24:58,461
With him that,
"hey, look, you don't need
546
00:24:58,463 --> 00:25:00,464
To be bringing these types
of people to the house
547
00:25:00,532 --> 00:25:03,166
Or to the property.
We have children here."
548
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,636
There was a couple of fairly
shady people that he worked with
549
00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:08,505
That he didn't
even really trust.
550
00:25:08,574 --> 00:25:12,443
So that's another kind
of red flag that I had
551
00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:15,913
As I was trying
to just replay events
552
00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:19,549
Leading up to the homicide,
553
00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:21,618
Should I have seen something.
554
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,221
Spingola: Ross is acting
pretty calm and collected.
555
00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:26,023
Like he's genuinely trying
to help us
556
00:25:26,091 --> 00:25:27,358
By giving us other suspects
557
00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:28,959
That may have been involved
in this crime.
558
00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,194
It's probably just
a coincidence that that's
559
00:25:31,263 --> 00:25:33,730
A pretty common
diversionary tactic.
560
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,065
We're just starting
out with this.
561
00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:37,334
If you were us,
what would you do?
562
00:25:37,403 --> 00:25:38,836
What do you think
happened there, ross?
563
00:25:41,674 --> 00:25:43,674
He's the first gentleman
that's asked me that.
564
00:25:43,742 --> 00:25:48,846
Tv shows that I watch
always say follow the money.
565
00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:51,882
And you find out
where the real motives are.
566
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:53,384
Where's the money going?
567
00:25:53,452 --> 00:25:55,786
Pam had a lot more
to gain out of this
568
00:25:55,854 --> 00:25:57,621
Than amy and I ever will.
569
00:25:57,689 --> 00:25:59,856
She gained a lot of assets.
570
00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:02,326
Amy and I, we have
lost our asses.
571
00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,760
They destroyed our business.
572
00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:07,197
From January
to when this happened,
573
00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:09,800
I made just shy of $100,000
574
00:26:09,868 --> 00:26:11,601
With our mobile
grooming business.
575
00:26:11,603 --> 00:26:14,104
As soon as this happened,
with all the media coverage,
576
00:26:14,173 --> 00:26:16,840
All of that went away
because of this.
577
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:18,075
And you said you had
a large amount of money
578
00:26:18,143 --> 00:26:19,309
In your single-wide.
579
00:26:19,378 --> 00:26:20,678
Is that where
the money came from?
580
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:22,179
The money that was
in our single-wide
581
00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:25,449
In my safe, about $80,000,
582
00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:30,120
That was literally the life
savings between amy and myself.
583
00:26:30,189 --> 00:26:31,521
Spingola: Nothing out
of ross's mouth is consistent
584
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:33,190
With the evidence.
585
00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,626
But we need to talk to amy,
so we gotta play nice.
586
00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:38,061
Can you just tell her
to come out here,
587
00:26:38,063 --> 00:26:40,297
And if we need to follow up
with anything before we leave...
588
00:26:40,365 --> 00:26:41,731
Ross: That's fine.
I got you.
589
00:26:41,801 --> 00:26:42,900
- Not a problem, gentlemen.
- Thank you.
590
00:26:42,968 --> 00:26:44,201
Ross: Yep.
I'll let her know.
591
00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:49,272
Just shovel the bull--
out of that front seat right now
592
00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:50,440
So amy can get in.
593
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,176
Mm-hmm.
594
00:26:52,244 --> 00:26:53,643
He's the victim, you know.
595
00:26:53,645 --> 00:26:55,345
Oh, I got that very quickly.
596
00:26:55,414 --> 00:26:58,081
- But follow the money.
- Follow the money.
597
00:26:58,083 --> 00:27:00,250
- You could tell that he's...
- Yeah, I saw him.
598
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,019
And every time he's talking,
599
00:27:02,087 --> 00:27:03,620
He can't look at you
in the face.
600
00:27:03,689 --> 00:27:05,155
Spingola: I know.
601
00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:06,790
You got a tiger by the tail
here, though, buddy.
602
00:27:06,858 --> 00:27:08,892
Don't think you don't.
603
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,862
This is a career case,
let me tell you.
604
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:14,732
Spingola: Here she comes.
Get the snake-bite kit ready.
605
00:27:19,403 --> 00:27:31,214
Spingola: Our suspect,
amy vilardi,
606
00:27:31,216 --> 00:27:32,682
Does not look happy to see us.
607
00:27:32,684 --> 00:27:34,485
You can just hop
in the passenger seat.
608
00:27:37,022 --> 00:27:37,955
Do what now?
609
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:43,293
Okay. Well, we can
stand outside.
610
00:27:43,362 --> 00:27:44,762
She walks towards us.
611
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:45,996
She won't get inside
of the truck.
612
00:27:46,065 --> 00:27:47,730
She basically lights a cigarette
613
00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:50,467
And kind of the body language
is just not good.
614
00:27:50,535 --> 00:27:52,102
So we're here to see
if there's anything
615
00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:53,804
That you can help us
with the case.
616
00:27:53,872 --> 00:27:56,173
The longer we keep her talking,
maybe she'll slip up.
617
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,075
Maybe she'll give us something
we didn't know.
618
00:27:58,143 --> 00:27:59,977
Or maybe she'll implicate
herself in this crime.
619
00:28:04,749 --> 00:28:06,950
I understand. I understand.
620
00:28:08,954 --> 00:28:10,120
We're trying to do right
by your mother...
621
00:28:10,122 --> 00:28:11,922
Spingola: Right.
622
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:15,892
...Your grandmother, and then
obviously mr. Scott and his mom.
623
00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:17,460
What do you remember?
624
00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:19,296
What can you help us with?
Where should we look?
625
00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:24,068
[amy laughs]
626
00:28:29,574 --> 00:28:31,708
[laughs]
627
00:28:31,777 --> 00:28:32,710
Duncan: Yes, ma'am.
628
00:28:36,816 --> 00:28:39,482
Ross was telling us a little bit
about the relationship
629
00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:42,719
Between, I guess,
y'all and the family.
630
00:28:42,788 --> 00:28:43,887
Something happened.
631
00:28:56,768 --> 00:28:58,601
So at the time of the murders,
you and your mom
632
00:28:58,603 --> 00:29:00,938
Were back talking and everything
was kind of getting patched up?
633
00:29:06,478 --> 00:29:08,411
[man laughs]
634
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,547
Spingola: So can you tell us a
little bit about that weekend?
635
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:12,249
Were you gone when you got home
636
00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:13,584
And you found the bodies,
or what happened?
637
00:29:21,727 --> 00:29:23,594
What day did y'all
leave to go down?
638
00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:27,530
Duncan: Friday night?
639
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,099
Spingola: I'm not surprised at
all that amy is downplaying
640
00:29:29,168 --> 00:29:31,001
The fact that the relationship
between her mother
641
00:29:31,069 --> 00:29:32,835
And her was terrible,
642
00:29:32,837 --> 00:29:35,239
That she openly told people
she wanted her mother dead.
643
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:40,643
Shoot, I've seen 'em fight.
644
00:29:40,645 --> 00:29:42,145
Cathy and amy would
actually go to it, fight?
645
00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:43,080
Yeah.
646
00:29:47,753 --> 00:29:50,320
She has to distance herself
from this crime scene here
647
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:52,022
And state that they
weren't even home
648
00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:53,356
On the night of the murders.
649
00:29:53,425 --> 00:29:54,591
Spingola: What do
you think happened?
650
00:30:16,415 --> 00:30:20,016
Okay. Well, we'll just ask ross
a couple more things
651
00:30:20,085 --> 00:30:21,552
- And we'll be out of here.
- All right.
652
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:24,454
Amy's contradicted everything
we've heard and that's great.
653
00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:26,122
But we don't wanna push it
by confronting her
654
00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:27,824
About that suspicious text
to ross
655
00:30:27,893 --> 00:30:29,626
On the night of the murders.
656
00:30:29,695 --> 00:30:31,428
Duncan: She can't remember
anything because she doesn't
657
00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:32,729
Remember her lies.
658
00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:35,465
You are a skeptical young man.
659
00:30:35,534 --> 00:30:38,168
- Am I wrong?
- You're right on.
660
00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:40,370
Spingola: It's time to get ross
back in the car and confront him
661
00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:42,205
With the evidence in this case.
662
00:30:42,274 --> 00:30:43,874
So we just wanna ask you
a couple more things
663
00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:46,810
And we're gonna get
out of here, okay?
664
00:30:46,879 --> 00:30:48,912
You know, anytime you have
two people in a crime,
665
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,681
You have to consider, will one
of 'em out the other one?
666
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,283
Is one of 'em gonna rat
on the other ones here?
667
00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:54,618
Who's got the most to lose?
668
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:56,953
Duncan: There was something
that had come up.
669
00:30:57,022 --> 00:31:01,391
Do you remember owning
like a red pair of shoes?
670
00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:05,229
- Red pair of shoes?
- Asics speedstar shoes.
671
00:31:07,399 --> 00:31:08,765
I don't recall.
672
00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:10,000
These asics speedstar shoes.
673
00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:11,768
Oh, yeah.
I remember those shoes.
674
00:31:11,837 --> 00:31:14,204
Duncan: What happened
to the shoes?
675
00:31:14,272 --> 00:31:16,473
That's a good question
'cause I have no idea.
676
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,342
This is from crime scene photos
677
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:21,411
And these are confirmed
to be asics speedstar shoes...
678
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,013
Ross: Okay.
679
00:31:23,081 --> 00:31:25,148
Duncan: Inside they have
blood droplets on them.
680
00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:27,850
And interestingly enough,
you're at the quiktrip
681
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,821
Wearing those shoes
the night of the murders.
682
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,556
Okay.
683
00:31:32,624 --> 00:31:34,424
So if you never went in
the house, I'm just interested
684
00:31:34,493 --> 00:31:39,029
To know how they ended up
in the house.
685
00:31:39,097 --> 00:31:41,664
I have no idea how those shoes
would have had
686
00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:43,300
Any kind of blood on them.
687
00:31:43,368 --> 00:31:47,170
Obviously, I was wearing them
at a quiktrip on the 31st.
688
00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:49,639
Well, and they never found
the clothes either
689
00:31:49,641 --> 00:31:51,642
That you were wearing.
690
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:53,943
Uh, that hoodie?
691
00:31:53,945 --> 00:31:54,778
Mm-hmm.
692
00:31:57,282 --> 00:31:58,782
Let me think here.
693
00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:02,519
Duncan: If y'all left
on Halloween afternoon,
694
00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:06,289
But you're on video there,
the timeline doesn't add up.
695
00:32:06,358 --> 00:32:10,059
The fact that your shoes are
inside of the house, in blood,
696
00:32:10,129 --> 00:32:11,961
That's a big problem.
697
00:32:11,963 --> 00:32:15,999
Again, I don't know where
there shoes are at the moment
698
00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:17,667
And I don't remember
whatever happened
699
00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:19,369
To those particular shoes.
700
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:22,605
If something were to have
happened that I had done,
701
00:32:22,674 --> 00:32:24,007
It would be stupid
for me to wear them
702
00:32:24,075 --> 00:32:28,311
Into the house and then
wear them after that, right?
703
00:32:28,313 --> 00:32:30,881
Well, that's what I'm saying.
They were never found.
704
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,616
So it's almost like
you got rid of 'em.
705
00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:35,985
I highly doubt I got rid
of 'em then, but I mean...
706
00:32:36,055 --> 00:32:38,555
- Here's the bottom line, okay?
- Mm-hmm.
707
00:32:38,557 --> 00:32:41,290
So, we know what happened
and we're about to prove it.
708
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,625
Okay.
709
00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:45,328
So the opportunity
for you is now.
710
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:48,031
If you want to look out
for yourself,
711
00:32:48,099 --> 00:32:50,633
It's really just to tell us
what happened.
712
00:32:50,702 --> 00:32:53,836
If this was something
that amy put you up to doing,
713
00:32:53,838 --> 00:32:55,305
Because obviously
you have the skill set
714
00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:56,707
To go in here and do this
715
00:32:56,775 --> 00:32:58,941
And y'all did benefit
from the murders, okay?
716
00:32:58,943 --> 00:33:00,310
Because you got a lot of money.
717
00:33:00,378 --> 00:33:02,112
We've been through
your financials, okay?
718
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:04,314
We didn't get a lot
of money from this.
719
00:33:04,382 --> 00:33:06,817
Y'all were struggling
all up until the murders.
720
00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:08,918
The money found in your safe,
721
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,454
There's money photos
from mike's computer
722
00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:12,955
That matched
the same serial numbers
723
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:14,324
As the money
that was found in the safe.
724
00:33:14,392 --> 00:33:16,192
So it's not savings.
725
00:33:16,261 --> 00:33:19,129
That's money that was found
inside of mike and cathy's house
726
00:33:19,197 --> 00:33:20,497
That mike was saving
727
00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:22,265
And y'all took it
after you killed him.
728
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:23,900
Absolutely not.
729
00:33:23,968 --> 00:33:25,802
And I'm telling you right now,
we're gonna prove it.
730
00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:28,871
If you think she's not gonna
crack on you when we do,
731
00:33:28,873 --> 00:33:30,307
Then you're mistaken.
732
00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:32,675
We're not here because
we think you did it
733
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:34,010
Or you might have did it.
734
00:33:34,078 --> 00:33:35,312
We know you did it, okay?
735
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:36,713
- We're just here as a courtesy.
- Hmm.
736
00:33:36,781 --> 00:33:38,281
I'm just telling you, ross,
737
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,550
Financially at the time
things were really bad.
738
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:42,519
We've got text messages
between you and amy
739
00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:44,521
Saying you don't have the money
a few weeks before.
740
00:33:44,589 --> 00:33:45,788
And you said it the best:
741
00:33:45,858 --> 00:33:48,258
"follow the money."
we did that.
742
00:33:48,326 --> 00:33:49,860
It led right
into your single-wide.
743
00:33:49,928 --> 00:33:51,494
It's piling up, ross.
744
00:33:51,563 --> 00:33:53,997
You don't wanna roll the dice
on this, I'm telling you.
745
00:33:54,065 --> 00:33:55,698
It's not gonna come up pretty.
746
00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:58,001
Ross: Let's just play this out
in a hypothetical, right?
747
00:33:58,069 --> 00:33:59,402
Spingola: Right.
748
00:33:59,404 --> 00:34:01,938
If, for instance,
amy and I decided to,
749
00:34:02,007 --> 00:34:03,239
Or if I decided
to take a deal.
750
00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:04,441
Spingola: Right.
751
00:34:04,509 --> 00:34:07,077
Mine is gonna be "better"
than amy's
752
00:34:07,145 --> 00:34:08,678
Because I came
to the trough first, right?
753
00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:12,382
-Right.
-So prison time, no matter what.
754
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:15,718
Amy, prison time,
no matter what.
755
00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:19,022
My three kids in here,
756
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:21,023
They grow up
without a father and a mother.
757
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:23,160
Granted, my mother would be more
than willing to take them.
758
00:34:23,228 --> 00:34:24,994
I understand that.
759
00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,063
We're not the ones
who put you on this predicament.
760
00:34:27,132 --> 00:34:29,265
Now you're gonna to have
to deal with the consequences.
761
00:34:29,334 --> 00:34:32,669
10, 20 years in prison.
762
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,337
That's best-case
minimum scenario,
763
00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:36,072
I would imagine, right?
764
00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:38,809
It's better than the rest of
your life or death, isn't it?
765
00:34:38,877 --> 00:34:40,643
I mean, it might as well be
one of those two.
766
00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:41,912
By the time I get out,
my kids aren't gonna know
767
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:43,413
Who the -- I am.
768
00:34:43,481 --> 00:34:45,015
I mean, the other option
is I probably need
769
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,550
To talk to a lawyer
at this juncture here.
770
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:48,651
- Spingola: All right, ross.
- Duncan: You're free to go.
771
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,119
Yep.
772
00:34:50,189 --> 00:34:52,622
I think we did
the best we could,
773
00:34:52,691 --> 00:34:55,558
Playing off each of them
as much as we could.
774
00:34:55,627 --> 00:34:57,027
Amy was a lot more distant.
775
00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,728
I think you saw that
with her answers.
776
00:34:58,797 --> 00:35:01,398
Ross, he stayed in there.
He wanted to hear what we had.
777
00:35:01,466 --> 00:35:03,033
What do you think is going on
in that house tonight?
778
00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,834
I mean, this will be
an interesting
779
00:35:04,836 --> 00:35:06,603
Couple of hours
for him tonight,
780
00:35:06,671 --> 00:35:08,738
Talking with amy
and their pillow talk.
781
00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:10,240
I'd love to hear that.
782
00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:13,309
Nice job, buddy.
Nice -- job.
783
00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:14,577
Duncan: That was--
I ain't gonna lie.
784
00:35:14,646 --> 00:35:15,912
That was a little nerve-racking.
785
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:17,247
Spingola: It was.
786
00:35:17,315 --> 00:35:19,248
Still priceless,
though, when he said,
787
00:35:19,318 --> 00:35:21,618
"follow the money.
That's what I would do."
788
00:35:21,686 --> 00:35:23,753
I'm like, "it leads to you."
789
00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:40,437
Siegler: We're dying
to know what happened.
790
00:35:40,505 --> 00:35:42,104
Duncan: I think
it went pretty good.
791
00:35:42,174 --> 00:35:45,008
Ross came out and we talked
for a little over two hours.
792
00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:46,476
She was a little different.
793
00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:48,245
I don't think she really
wanted to talk to us.
794
00:35:48,247 --> 00:35:50,213
- Imagine that.
- She was very standoffish.
795
00:35:50,281 --> 00:35:51,481
I just got the vibe
we weren't really going
796
00:35:51,549 --> 00:35:53,149
To get a lot with her.
797
00:35:53,218 --> 00:35:55,618
So we got just what we needed
and let her go back in
798
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,288
And then ross came back out
and got in the truck with us.
799
00:35:58,356 --> 00:36:00,823
You know, one thing I did find
interesting that ross said
800
00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:03,994
Is he tells us now
that they left Halloween night.
801
00:36:04,062 --> 00:36:07,163
Because before he even said
he went to sleep at 9:00.
802
00:36:07,232 --> 00:36:09,699
Halloween night
we came back down here.
803
00:36:09,768 --> 00:36:11,434
Duncan: So Halloween night,
y'all come to columbia.
804
00:36:11,503 --> 00:36:12,902
Ross: Correct.
805
00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:14,104
Duncan: You know, I asked him
806
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:15,905
If he remembers owning
a pair of asics,
807
00:36:15,974 --> 00:36:17,207
And then I showed him
the picture.
808
00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:18,708
And he said, "oh, yeah,
I had those shoes.
809
00:36:18,777 --> 00:36:20,376
Those were my shoes."
810
00:36:20,445 --> 00:36:22,679
And I said, "well, those shoes
are printed in blood
811
00:36:22,747 --> 00:36:23,846
In the crime scene."
812
00:36:23,915 --> 00:36:25,448
You're at the quiktrip
813
00:36:25,516 --> 00:36:27,684
Wearing those shoes
the night of the murders.
814
00:36:27,752 --> 00:36:29,185
Okay.
815
00:36:29,253 --> 00:36:30,320
What do you think
he's doing right now?
816
00:36:30,388 --> 00:36:32,221
I think they're panicking.
817
00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:34,991
We didn't need amy and ross
to dig a bigger hole
818
00:36:35,059 --> 00:36:37,059
For themselves,
but I'm sure glad they did.
819
00:36:37,061 --> 00:36:39,529
I cannot remember
a case where we've had
820
00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:42,231
So much circumstantial evidence.
821
00:36:42,301 --> 00:36:45,335
It's very clear that we can
eliminate the possibility
822
00:36:45,403 --> 00:36:48,138
Of an unknown suspect
because every single thing
823
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:50,473
That we have uncovered
points directly
824
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:52,609
At amy and ross vilardi.
825
00:36:52,677 --> 00:36:56,179
Set the scenario for:
In the whole world,
826
00:36:56,247 --> 00:36:58,281
Who was mad at cathy and mike?
827
00:36:58,349 --> 00:37:01,918
There was only one person upset
and that was amy.
828
00:37:01,987 --> 00:37:03,853
And we also heard
from people that knew amy
829
00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:06,055
All the way back
when she was a little girl.
830
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:07,189
"I hate my mother.
831
00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:08,591
I wish she was dead."
832
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:10,694
You also have videos
of them arguing too.
833
00:37:18,337 --> 00:37:20,002
Tells an 80-something
year-old lady,
834
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:20,870
"I hope you die."
835
00:37:20,872 --> 00:37:22,505
Beggars!
836
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:23,907
Ross: Yeah, that's right.
I'm a beggar.
837
00:37:23,975 --> 00:37:26,142
Come here
and I'll show you some.
838
00:37:26,211 --> 00:37:27,944
Come here and look.
839
00:37:28,013 --> 00:37:32,048
Siegler: And then the timing.
The kids happen to be gone
840
00:37:32,116 --> 00:37:35,952
And lie about going
to bed at 9:00
841
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:39,121
When they're really
buying beer at 9:38.
842
00:37:39,123 --> 00:37:41,658
What's your favorite part
about the crime scene?
843
00:37:41,726 --> 00:37:44,294
Hill: So this many victims,
all with knife wounds,
844
00:37:44,362 --> 00:37:46,329
You know, to me that screams
someone who was trained
845
00:37:46,397 --> 00:37:47,897
How to use a knife.
846
00:37:47,899 --> 00:37:49,332
Marine training, for example,
847
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,500
They teach you
go for soft tissue,
848
00:37:51,502 --> 00:37:54,103
With the neck being their
primary target with a knife.
849
00:37:54,172 --> 00:37:56,306
Our suspect just happens
to be a marine.
850
00:37:56,374 --> 00:37:58,007
Spingola: And he claims
he was never issued
851
00:37:58,009 --> 00:38:00,410
A ka-bar combat knife,
which many marines are.
852
00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:03,646
Mine is gonna be the footprint,
you know, from the shoe.
853
00:38:03,648 --> 00:38:05,848
We have him on video
at the quiktrip, you know,
854
00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:07,784
What we believe
before the murders,
855
00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:10,186
Wearing clothes
and this asics shoe,
856
00:38:10,188 --> 00:38:12,755
Which we've confirmed
the shoe print in blood
857
00:38:12,824 --> 00:38:15,225
Inside the crime scene
is from an asics shoe.
858
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,260
And what happened
to ross's clothes
859
00:38:17,262 --> 00:38:18,762
That he had on that night?
860
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:20,296
- Never found them.
- We never found them.
861
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:21,964
And now they're telling you
they went to blythewood
862
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:23,666
Halloween night.
863
00:38:23,734 --> 00:38:26,102
But what do you have them
texting each other about?
864
00:38:26,171 --> 00:38:29,105
Amy texting ross
that they're all up laughing
865
00:38:29,173 --> 00:38:30,973
And devlin presented
he could prove
866
00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:32,442
That came from that property.
867
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:34,610
There's all their calls here
that you've got.
868
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:35,845
They're always hitting off
of this tower,
869
00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:36,846
Which is covering both trailers.
870
00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:38,581
And then the money.
871
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:42,251
Ross told us they were making,
you know, almost $100,000
872
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,256
In 2015, which is clearly a lie.
They were struggling.
873
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,324
Spingola: They were in such dire
financial straits.
874
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,326
It was unbelievable.
875
00:38:50,394 --> 00:38:53,763
So I think they realized their
world was about to crash down.
876
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,932
- Yep.
- They were desperate
877
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,369
And they knew
that mike had money inside.
878
00:38:59,437 --> 00:39:01,271
They had nowhere else to turn.
879
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,574
They were losing everything
and this was the only way out.
880
00:39:04,642 --> 00:39:07,910
And we presented him today with
the fact that there's $100 bills
881
00:39:07,979 --> 00:39:10,112
That are depicted
on mike's facebook.
882
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:12,882
Siegler: And the serial numbers
match the money on the bills
883
00:39:12,951 --> 00:39:15,351
Recovered from amy
and ross's trailer.
884
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:18,488
So tell me how you're gonna end
your presentation.
885
00:39:18,556 --> 00:39:20,089
I wanna tell 'em that we
believe we have enough
886
00:39:20,158 --> 00:39:21,858
To go see a judge today.
887
00:39:21,926 --> 00:39:25,594
And I think we end it with
ross's line, "follow the money."
888
00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:30,032
Follow the money and you find
out where the real motives are.
889
00:39:30,101 --> 00:39:32,068
If they're on board,
we're gonna leave their office
890
00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:33,903
And drive straight
to our magistrate's office
891
00:39:33,905 --> 00:39:35,404
And get warrants.
892
00:39:35,406 --> 00:39:37,073
Ooh. Can't wait for you
to call us tomorrow.
893
00:39:37,142 --> 00:39:38,074
[laughs]
894
00:39:46,151 --> 00:39:49,986
I'm extremely pleased
to announce
895
00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:51,587
That two arrests have been made
896
00:39:51,656 --> 00:39:54,123
In connections
with the brutal murders
897
00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:58,128
Of cathy scott, mike scott,
barbara scott,
898
00:39:58,196 --> 00:39:59,762
And violet taylor.
899
00:39:59,830 --> 00:40:07,003
We have arrested rosmore,
aka ross wayne vilardi,
900
00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:10,707
And amy vilardi.
901
00:40:10,775 --> 00:40:13,442
And they have been charged
with murder
902
00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:16,178
For the quadruple homicide.
903
00:40:16,248 --> 00:40:18,815
This is a case that rocked
our county extremely hard
904
00:40:18,883 --> 00:40:21,584
And I can't wait
to see justice served.
905
00:40:27,225 --> 00:40:30,560
["comin' up for air"
by foxworth hall playing]
906
00:40:32,997 --> 00:40:34,063
♪ the sun is out ♪
907
00:40:34,132 --> 00:40:37,099
♪ the water's still frozen ♪
908
00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:37,867
[car door shuts]
909
00:40:41,139 --> 00:40:42,638
- Morning, guys.
- Morning, sheriff.
910
00:40:42,707 --> 00:40:44,140
- Good to see you.
- Good to see you.
911
00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:45,308
- Morning, sheriff.
- Yes, ma'am.
912
00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:46,309
Good to see you.
913
00:40:46,377 --> 00:40:47,777
Excited for this morning, right?
914
00:40:47,846 --> 00:40:50,079
Very excited.
This is definitely very special.
915
00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:52,648
This family's been waiting
for this for a long time.
916
00:40:52,717 --> 00:40:54,284
- Let's go tell them.
- Yes, ma'am.
917
00:40:58,055 --> 00:40:59,122
Siegler: Good morning,
everybody.
918
00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:00,123
All: Good morning.
919
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:06,128
Mcbride: So, I know you all have
been waiting a long time.
920
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:09,899
Eight long years for justice.
921
00:41:09,968 --> 00:41:11,601
And we have them.
922
00:41:11,669 --> 00:41:13,369
They're in custody.
923
00:41:13,437 --> 00:41:16,238
We've made the arrests.
924
00:41:16,308 --> 00:41:19,742
I know this is the day
that you've been waiting for
925
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:21,711
Very patiently,
and we appreciate you.
926
00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:22,945
[sobbing]
927
00:41:23,014 --> 00:41:25,081
Waiting so long,
I know it's hard.
928
00:41:27,585 --> 00:41:30,553
Wow.
929
00:41:30,622 --> 00:41:34,357
You know, this is big news for
us, too, so we're very excited.
930
00:41:34,425 --> 00:41:36,826
We wanna get in there
and roll up our sleeves
931
00:41:36,894 --> 00:41:39,662
'cause we want to get
these convictions soon.
932
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:41,898
Pam: I'm not sure what
I'm feeling right now.
933
00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:45,868
Thankful, excited.
934
00:41:45,936 --> 00:41:47,537
I just have so many emotions.
935
00:41:47,605 --> 00:41:52,074
It's that day
that we've all hoped for,
936
00:41:52,143 --> 00:41:53,743
That we've all prayed for,
937
00:41:53,811 --> 00:41:56,346
That we've all believed
one day was coming.
938
00:41:57,615 --> 00:41:59,048
But it's unreal.
939
00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:03,820
Thank you all so much.
940
00:42:03,888 --> 00:42:10,360
I just can't express
my gratitude to all of you.
941
00:42:10,428 --> 00:42:13,029
Thank y'all for not
giving up on our case.
942
00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:15,031
I know it's been hard
for even you guys.
943
00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:17,534
We appreciate
your diligence in that
944
00:42:17,602 --> 00:42:19,469
Because there were some days
945
00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:21,704
That we didn't think
this would ever come.
946
00:42:21,772 --> 00:42:25,741
I think it's important
just to remember our faith.
947
00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:31,413
And we have had faith in god.
948
00:42:31,415 --> 00:42:36,085
And we've had faith in you
and the sheriff's department,
949
00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:41,791
And now we'll put our faith in
the attorney general's office.
950
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:44,226
And this is good.
951
00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:46,095
- This is very good.
- It is.
952
00:42:47,532 --> 00:42:49,265
Nice.
953
00:42:51,703 --> 00:42:53,135
Well, we'll let y'all
go start telling
954
00:42:53,204 --> 00:42:54,704
The rest of your family, right?
955
00:42:54,772 --> 00:42:56,172
- Yeah.
- Thank you so much.
956
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,607
- I like this new sheriff.
- Thank you.
957
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:04,580
I'm so happy
to give you good news.
958
00:43:04,648 --> 00:43:06,048
Yeah.
959
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:08,117
These guys are wonderful.
960
00:43:09,721 --> 00:43:13,089
The case was beautifully
put together.
961
00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:15,691
Everybody in the community
cooperated and was excited
962
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,659
To tell what they knew.
963
00:43:16,727 --> 00:43:17,894
We got it, yeah.
964
00:43:17,962 --> 00:43:20,729
- I know it. You are now.
- Okay.
965
00:43:20,731 --> 00:43:22,098
Siegler: Working
with the sheriff's office
966
00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:24,066
Was really special
967
00:43:24,135 --> 00:43:26,936
Because they're so good
at what they do.
968
00:43:27,005 --> 00:43:28,704
Finally, they got
where they needed to be.
969
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:31,040
And this family is finally
gonna get the justice
970
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:33,475
They've been looking for
for eight years.
971
00:43:33,477 --> 00:43:34,811
I wish they could
all be like this.