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Man:<i> Female. 10-97.</i>
<i> There's blood everywhere.</i>

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What made you wake up?

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A gun?
And where was your mommy?

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It's gonna be all right.

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Woman:<i> ♪ don't run away ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ I'll keep you safe ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ safe in my arms ♪</i>

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Have you ever been
to putnam county before?

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I have not. I didn't realize

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That there was
this much open space

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In north central florida.

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<i> ♪ searching for the truth ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ searching for the truth ♪</i>

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And I'll bet ya, when you read
this case, you liked it.

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Actually, when I read this case,
it just made me mad.

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- Okay.
- You know.

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You have this young mom who...

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- 25.
- Yeah.

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She has a lot going on
in her life.

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Tyvon whitford was
a corrections officer at gci,

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Which is the gainesville
correctional institute

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Here in florida.

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She had a five-year-old son
from a previous relationship

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And she was pregnant
with her second child.

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She was a loving mother,
daughter, sister, and friend,

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And everybody in the community
loved her.

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Abbondandolo: In 2007,
tyvon whitford

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Was found murdered
in her own home.

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She makes two calls to 911
with a bullet under her neck.

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Female operator:<i> 911.</i>
<i> Do you have an emergency?</i>

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<i> You were shot? What's your</i>
<i> address? Where are you at?</i>

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<i> Ma'am?</i>

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With her son
right there in the house.

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It just made me mad
that that's how she died--

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With that little boy there
in the house with her.

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Siegler: Moments
after tyvon was shot,

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Her son came out of the bedroom
and found her bleeding to death.

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As a mother,
I can't even imagine

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The terror that she must
have felt, lying there

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Knowing that her baby
was watching her bleed to death.

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Tyvon's boyfriend,
terrance "trouble" brown,

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Was the only other person
in the house.

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The gun was never recovered,

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And even though
he was a suspect,

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Terrance was never arrested.

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15 years later,
this case is still unsolved.

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Everybody in that part
of putnam county knows tyvon,

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Knew her son,
and nothing's happened.

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How about this?
If everybody knows everybody,

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What's the motive
to kill this woman?

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The biggest theory
in this small town

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Was that this crime
was motivated by revenge.

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Tyvon's boyfriend, terrance,
was a married man,

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And tyvon had confronted
terrance's wife hope.

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Told her of their affair and
that she was having his baby.

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And weeks later, tyvon was dead.

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Is it gonna be
her new baby daddy?

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Is it gonna be
terrance's wife hope?

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I don't know.

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- How are you guys?
- Hi, guys?

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- Hello. How are you?
- Good morning.

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- You must be the boss.
- Well,

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That's who I'm supposed to be.
Thanks.

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- Nice to meet you.
- Klayton usina.

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Hey, klayton. Nice to meet you.

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- And I'm jason theed.
- Hi, jason.

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- Hi, jason. Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.

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Thanks for being part
of this for us.

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We're excited. Where you gonna
set us up at working?

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This building over here.
We got a war room for you.

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- Y'all ready to get started?
- Let's do it.

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Any time any partnering agency
can come in

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And take that second look
at something,

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Look at it from a different
angle, I get excited about it.

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It's a lot easier
to work on a case

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When you have the manpower.

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Wow. We got a nice
little setup here.

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You can never bring
the family members back

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That have been lost,

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But to try to help relieve
some of that pain

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Is why we do it.

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I'm gonna start off

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With putting tyvon's pictures
up on the board.

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She was only 25.

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Usina: She is
a corrections officer

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At a facility in gainesville.

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She was about
six, seven months pregnant.

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Siegler:
In addition to being pregnant,

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Tyvon also had
a five-year-old son, larry jr.,

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Whose father
was not in the picture.

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Her boyfriend,
terrance "trouble" brown,

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Was the father
of her unborn child.

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And down here we have
a picture of tyvon with her son,

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Larry porter jr.

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And he was five
when this happened.

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Usina: Yes.

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- Siegler: Who raised him?
- Miss dale.

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Siegler: She's also been
pretty persistent

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On trying to get justice
for her daughter, hasn't she?

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Usina: Absolutely.

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Okay, klayton, can you start

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With telling us
how this all started.

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Okay, so, on June 8, 2007,
11:13 p.M.,

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We get a call
from tyvon whitford.

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It's gargled.
She can't get out much.

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The phone disconnects. I try
calling back several times.

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I can't get ahold of her.
Three to five minutes later,

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They get another call
from tyvon's boyfriend,

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Terrance brown.

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Terrance goes on to say
that he shows up to the house

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And he finds his girlfriend
having a miscarriage.

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Law enforcement responds.
They found her on the ground.

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The first deputy on scene
identifies

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That she's got
two gunshot wounds.

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Bullet wound here,
left side of the neck,

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And there's one in the back.

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And she's shot
standing where in her house?

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Where the blood's at.

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It looks like she's standing
in the front door.

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Two shots were fired
through the screen door.

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Whoa. Okay.

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One shell casing was recovered
right there on the porch.

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There's blood all in the house.
It's not a pretty scene.

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When she retreats
back from the door

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To the kitchen,
we assume it's to get the phone,

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And that's when she calls 911.

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What about the murder weapon?
What about the gun?

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- It was a nine-millimeter.
- Yeah.

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One of the big challenges
with this case

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Is that
the nine-millimeter pistol

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That was used to shoot tyvon
was never recovered.

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Tyvon calls 911 at 11:13.

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So y'all think the shots
were fired...

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Probably 30 seconds
to a minute before that.

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So, out in that part
of putnam county,

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What's going on out there
on a Friday night?

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Roughly a quarter mile
down from the house was a bar.

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It's called
the watering hole bar.

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The story from
the watering hole witnesses--

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'cause they all know
tyvon and "trouble"--

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What do they all say
about what happened that night?

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They remember seeing
his car leaving and driving by.

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- Before or after the shots?
- It wouldn't been after.

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Okay.

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It's crucial
that we find witnesses

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From the watering hole bar
from that night.

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We need to find out if anybody
heard or saw anything

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From before the gunshots.

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And where did y'all think
her five-year-old son was

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During the front door shooting?

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Usina: He makes his way
from his mother's bedroom,

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Where he'd been sleeping,
to the living room,

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And he sees his mom
on the ground

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And sees the boyfriend
there at the house.

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Where was "trouble"?

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He left you
before the ambulance got there?

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Answer. Answer the question.

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So, he left before
the ambulance got there.

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Okay.

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There's much we don't know

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About the circumstances
of tyvon's murder,

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But here's what we do know.

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At some point, terrance stopped
by the gas station

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To buy tylenol for tyvon.

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She was shot through her
screen door around 11:12 p.M.

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Tyvon called 911 at 11:13.

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She was disconnected,
and 911 tried to call her back.

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At 11:18, terrance called 911

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And claimed
that he had just arrived

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And found her on the floor.

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At 11:22, the sheriff's
department arrived on the scene.

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And shortly after,
terrance drove

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To inform tyvon's parents
that she had been shot,

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And they all returned
to the scene.

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The question is,
what all are we missing,

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And who does that point to?

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Okay. Y'all wanna start
with terrance "trouble" brown?

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Trouble was 30 years old
when this happened.

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Does trouble have
a prior criminal history?

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He's got a bank robbery, right?

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Siegler: That's pretty big.
Most people don't rob a bank.

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But he served real time.

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Yeah. Between three and
four years is what he served.

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That's not when he met tyvon,
though, right?

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- No.
- Okay.

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What do we know
about the relationship

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Between trouble and tyvon?

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He describes it as, you know,
they're happy.

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Trouble is actually married
to a woman named hope brown.

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His wife apparently knows
of the relationship with tyvon.

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Now, he's clearly still having
a sexual relationship with tyvon

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Even though he's told hope

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That he's just gonna be there
to take care of the kid.

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Siegler: Not many wives
will be okay

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With their husband
having an affair,

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Especially when the other woman

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Is pregnant
with their husband's child.

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Y'all talked about the fact

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That when you were interviewing
trouble at some point,

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He started looking
at his fingernails.

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What made him do that?

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They say, "we wanna do a jsr
test just to check on you."

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And then they exit the room.

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Immediately upon
them exiting the room,

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He frantically starts, like,
cleaning under his nails.

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- Camera still on him.
- Yeah.

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- And you got that?
- Yeah. We got it.

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This is the camera.

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You would say he was just
nervous with his nails,

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But he's getting every one.

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I mean,
it's immediate upon...

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And he's getting in there deep.

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Abbondandolo: Even though
many people believe

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That trouble
was acting suspiciously,

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We can't prove that he was at
the house before tyvon was shot.

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And tyvon's son never saw him
with a gun in his hand.

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Also, you would think
if you'd just shot someone,

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You wouldn't let them call 911.

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So, here is mrs. Hope brown.

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Usina: It was
a couple of months prior

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When she found out
about the pregnancy.

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She's wanting to work this out
and stay with him.

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She says she's okay
with that baby.

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But there were some witnesses
who said it's her, not him,

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Because he was happy
about the baby.

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Some of it is terrance
telling people that she did it.

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Where is she
at the time of the murder?

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Usina: I don't know
if she's more of your shooter

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As she has knowledge
that would help him cover it up.

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Siegler: Now hope and trouble
are divorced.

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They've been divorced
for five to seven years,

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And I hope that'll change
her wanting to come forward

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And tell the truth.

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Abbondandolo: Hope and trouble
are no longer married

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And may no longer feel
the need to protect one another.

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If one of them
will talk with us,

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It could be the break
that this case needs.

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Okay. Let's put up here two
just to be thorough.

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The possibility
that a random intruder

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Or somebody else unknown
killed her.

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If it's an unknown intruder,
what's the motive?

242
00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:44,442
You can't write off
a corrections officer,

243
00:10:44,512 --> 00:10:45,943
'cause that's where you have
to go to start out with.

244
00:10:46,013 --> 00:10:47,613
- The gci connection?
- That's right.

245
00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:50,015
Unknown person from jail
just decided

246
00:10:50,216 --> 00:10:51,750
"I'm gonna get even with you"

247
00:10:51,952 --> 00:10:53,217
Because, you know,
what happened in the prison.

248
00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:55,955
This case
has some complications,

249
00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:58,890
Which is probably why it's
gone cold after 15 years.

250
00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:00,859
But this is exactly
the kind of case

251
00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:02,127
That deserves our attention.

252
00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:04,495
A mother was taken away
from her child,

253
00:11:04,565 --> 00:11:07,699
And a baby never got
to take its first breath.

254
00:11:07,901 --> 00:11:10,836
Whoever did this crime needs
to be taken off the streets.

255
00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:31,923
We're gonna meet dale today.
Tyvon's mother.

256
00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:34,058
And also her son.

257
00:11:34,127 --> 00:11:37,595
Larry jr., who was five
back then. He's 20 now.

258
00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:39,597
Ended up getting raised
by his grandma.

259
00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:42,200
Yeah. She's a strong lady, but
that family's been through hell.

260
00:11:42,269 --> 00:11:44,269
She's probably the one
holding it all together, huh?

261
00:11:44,337 --> 00:11:48,606
Yeah. Miss dale is not one
to let her daughter go by.

262
00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,508
- Hollering for her baby.
- Yeah.

263
00:11:50,578 --> 00:11:53,377
Dale has talked
to investigators,

264
00:11:53,446 --> 00:11:55,880
The state's attorney,
local media.

265
00:11:55,950 --> 00:11:58,217
She's done everything
that a mother possibly can do

266
00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:00,151
To keep her baby's case alive.

267
00:12:00,221 --> 00:12:02,453
It's been rough. It's rough.

268
00:12:02,656 --> 00:12:05,024
Some days it seems like
it just happened yesterday.

269
00:12:05,225 --> 00:12:08,693
Other days I can get through it.
Other days it's really hard.

270
00:12:08,762 --> 00:12:11,196
Like a piece of your soul
has been ripped out of you.

271
00:12:12,632 --> 00:12:14,133
Here. I'll let you...

272
00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:15,767
- Hello.
- Hello. How are you doing?

273
00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:18,970
- I'm kelly.
- I'm dale.

274
00:12:19,172 --> 00:12:20,238
- Nice to meet you.
- You, too.

275
00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:22,306
My name's larry.
Nice to meet you.

276
00:12:22,509 --> 00:12:23,575
- Hello, sir.
- How you doing?

277
00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:26,644
My mom was an amazing person.

278
00:12:26,847 --> 00:12:30,114
We always used to just have our
movie nights and pizza nights

279
00:12:30,183 --> 00:12:32,917
Where we would just chill
and bond together.

280
00:12:32,986 --> 00:12:37,455
She was the best
in the whole wide world to me.

281
00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:40,191
She was a sweetheart.
She was my best friend.

282
00:12:40,261 --> 00:12:44,262
Just a fun, loving girl.

283
00:12:44,330 --> 00:12:45,464
Great mom.

284
00:12:45,665 --> 00:12:47,398
After she became a mother,

285
00:12:47,468 --> 00:12:51,469
That when me and her
really bonded. Yeah.

286
00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:53,604
So, what did she like about
being a corrections officer?

287
00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:56,340
Trying to keep people safe.

288
00:12:56,543 --> 00:12:59,611
She had started out trying
to be a probation officer.

289
00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:02,146
And when she did pass,

290
00:13:02,215 --> 00:13:04,349
Those prisoners--

291
00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:07,151
It was a big ol'
big sympathy card.

292
00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:10,488
It just touched me
that those prisoners and stuff

293
00:13:10,690 --> 00:13:12,156
Care for her that much.

294
00:13:12,225 --> 00:13:14,359
She had a big personality.

295
00:13:14,427 --> 00:13:17,562
She was full of fun,
full of life.

296
00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:19,230
She was sweet.

297
00:13:19,432 --> 00:13:21,165
She wouldn't hurt nobody.

298
00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:22,767
I would just do anything.

299
00:13:22,837 --> 00:13:24,769
Just one laugh,

300
00:13:24,839 --> 00:13:27,505
One last hug,
something, you know,

301
00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:30,508
To feel her still.

302
00:13:30,577 --> 00:13:35,146
[sobbing]

303
00:13:39,185 --> 00:13:41,286
God, please, just help me.

304
00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:00,705
God, please, just help me.

305
00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:02,407
[sniffles]

306
00:14:02,476 --> 00:14:04,142
You've been fighting
for 15 years.

307
00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:05,476
- Yeah.
- Yes, ma'am.

308
00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:09,414
Every time I'm crying,
he's reaching across.

309
00:14:09,616 --> 00:14:11,749
I understand
what she's going through.

310
00:14:11,819 --> 00:14:15,286
So I'm just there to hold her
and let her know

311
00:14:15,488 --> 00:14:17,823
That I'm gonna still see her.

312
00:14:18,024 --> 00:14:20,891
Let's go back to June of 2007.

313
00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,762
Well, the night of the murder,

314
00:14:23,897 --> 00:14:26,430
I remember I had
to go to bed early.

315
00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:28,432
I had got woken up
by the gunshot.

316
00:14:28,502 --> 00:14:30,034
I walked down the hallway,

317
00:14:30,103 --> 00:14:32,703
And I just see my mom
bleeding out,

318
00:14:32,905 --> 00:14:36,240
And then he had his fist
balled up like this at the door.

319
00:14:36,443 --> 00:14:37,975
What do you mean,
balled up with his fist?

320
00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:40,245
He was just angry,
staring at her angrily,

321
00:14:40,447 --> 00:14:41,847
Like, looking down at her.

322
00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:44,081
And when he seen me,
he jumped up,

323
00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:45,917
Like he got shocked,
and then he was,

324
00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:48,919
"oh, my god. My baby. My baby."
then he darted down the road.

325
00:14:49,122 --> 00:14:50,721
And then I didn't see him
after that.

326
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:52,590
I tried to pick up the phone
and call her,

327
00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:53,858
But I didn't know how to.

328
00:14:53,927 --> 00:14:56,327
What exactly was going on
with your mom?

329
00:14:56,397 --> 00:14:58,062
I told her I loved her

330
00:14:58,131 --> 00:15:00,464
And she said it back
with blood in her mouth.

331
00:15:00,534 --> 00:15:04,202
And that was my last word
to my mom after that.

332
00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:07,272
Okay. So, she was still alive?

333
00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:11,041
According to the 911 records,

334
00:15:11,078 --> 00:15:14,111
Trouble called at 11:18.

335
00:15:14,315 --> 00:15:17,548
And then he left the scene just
when officers were arriving.

336
00:15:17,617 --> 00:15:20,284
Why would he leave larry
all by himself

337
00:15:20,286 --> 00:15:22,954
When his mother was on the floor
bleeding to death?

338
00:15:23,123 --> 00:15:25,823
Did he have another reason for
leaving the scene of the crime?

339
00:15:25,893 --> 00:15:27,892
He came there
to get us that night.

340
00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:31,897
He said, "coco's bleeding.
She's bleeding."

341
00:15:32,098 --> 00:15:35,500
And just fell down like this,
like he's losing his mind.

342
00:15:35,702 --> 00:15:38,302
Faking a cry.
That's really what he was doing.

343
00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:42,307
Soon as he got that out,
that cry went away.

344
00:15:42,509 --> 00:15:45,577
He got up
and walked on out the house,

345
00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:48,446
Like, "okay, I done did
my damn job."

346
00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:49,915
Y'all got in the house?

347
00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:51,382
Ronald: Yeah.
We broke on through there.

348
00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:53,584
Then the police
is trying to hold me out.

349
00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:55,654
You can't hold a mother
from a child.

350
00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:57,455
Was trouble trying
to get into the house with you?

351
00:15:57,657 --> 00:15:59,123
- Dale: No.
- No. No, ma'am.

352
00:15:59,258 --> 00:16:01,659
He walking backwards
and forward on the crime scene,

353
00:16:01,861 --> 00:16:03,462
Looking for his wallet.

354
00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:05,264
What did you think about him
looking for a wallet

355
00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:07,131
- In the middle of all this?
- No, ma'am.

356
00:16:07,134 --> 00:16:08,867
What you be looking
for a wallet for?

357
00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:10,801
Siegler:
Trouble was more concerned

358
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:14,138
About his missing wallet
than his dying girlfriend.

359
00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:17,475
What was he doing pacing
back and forth in the front yard

360
00:16:17,543 --> 00:16:19,677
When his girlfriend
had just been shot?

361
00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,613
- That night, that bar was full.
- Oh, yeah. We know.

362
00:16:22,682 --> 00:16:24,348
Somebody's seen something.

363
00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:28,352
And I said,
"how could y'all sit here,

364
00:16:28,555 --> 00:16:31,689
Grew up with my child
and won't open your mouth?"

365
00:16:31,758 --> 00:16:35,294
And it's just sad that she
grew up with these people

366
00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:37,895
And nobody cared enough.

367
00:16:37,965 --> 00:16:40,398
Siegler: It breaks your heart
to listen to this family.

368
00:16:40,467 --> 00:16:44,168
No family should have
their world shattered like this.

369
00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:47,205
Nobody should have to wait
this long for justice.

370
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:50,374
- Let us do what we can, okay?
- Okay.

371
00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:52,143
Thanks, ma'am.
Thank you so much.

372
00:16:52,211 --> 00:16:53,978
- Thank you so much.
- Oh, my god. You're their rock.

373
00:16:54,014 --> 00:16:56,881
- You keep being their rock.
- Yes, ma'am. I will.

374
00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:06,657
Siegler: Okay, so how about
the 911 tape?

375
00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,392
You read the transcript like me.

376
00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:09,994
Abbondandolo:
Yeah, I wanna hear it.

377
00:17:10,063 --> 00:17:13,097
We have access to all
the 911 calls from that night.

378
00:17:13,299 --> 00:17:15,800
And because the timeline
is so crucial,

379
00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,668
We need to review
all those calls

380
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:19,471
To try and make sense
of what happened that night.

381
00:17:19,672 --> 00:17:21,305
[line ringing]

382
00:17:35,488 --> 00:17:36,922
[line beeps]

383
00:17:39,292 --> 00:17:41,358
The call with tyvon disconnects,

384
00:17:41,427 --> 00:17:43,828
And dispatch
tried multiple times

385
00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:46,363
To get her back on the line,
but they never got her back.

386
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:49,567
[tv playing]

387
00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:51,969
- That's the tv.
- The tv in the background.

388
00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:53,504
So, her phone has answered.

389
00:17:53,706 --> 00:17:56,040
- She just can't talk.
- She can't talk.

390
00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:58,842
Siegler: After tyvon's 911 call,

391
00:17:58,945 --> 00:18:00,845
Terrance made a call at 11:18.

392
00:18:01,047 --> 00:18:04,048
Is he upset because
his girlfriend's just been shot,

393
00:18:04,249 --> 00:18:06,384
Or is he rushing to try
and cover up his crime?

394
00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:17,929
- Notice there's no...
- Tv.

395
00:18:18,164 --> 00:18:19,163
Tv.

396
00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:27,672
<i> Do you wanna try cpr?</i>

397
00:18:29,141 --> 00:18:30,809
<i> Can you do it?</i>

398
00:18:38,217 --> 00:18:39,884
[siren blaring]

399
00:18:39,953 --> 00:18:41,819
- He's now on the road.
- He's out of the house.

400
00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:43,621
He's out of the house.

401
00:18:43,689 --> 00:18:47,159
There's still a child
in the house, if I'm not...

402
00:18:52,031 --> 00:18:53,831
He's kind of ambiguous

403
00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:56,700
About whether he'll try cpr
or he'll do anything.

404
00:18:56,770 --> 00:19:00,804
But they noticed that he didn't
have, like, any blood on him.

405
00:19:01,007 --> 00:19:04,041
The responding officer on scene
was covered in blood.

406
00:19:04,111 --> 00:19:07,111
Siegler: It's odd
that his girlfriend is dying.

407
00:19:07,179 --> 00:19:10,782
He's asked repeatedly
to perform cpr,

408
00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:13,518
And yet he has no blood on him,

409
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,521
Which suggest that he didn't
attempt to save her life.

410
00:19:20,593 --> 00:19:22,726
We're gonna go
to the crime scene first?

411
00:19:22,796 --> 00:19:24,895
- Tyvon's house.
- I know where we're going.

412
00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:27,665
We can point out
which way the watering hole is

413
00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:29,467
And all that kind of good stuff.

414
00:19:29,668 --> 00:19:31,603
Yeah. Definitely put it
all into perspective for sure.

415
00:19:31,804 --> 00:19:34,338
Today we're going to get
a look at the crime scene.

416
00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:36,340
I'm interested in seeing
where the watering hole bar is

417
00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:38,743
In relation to tyvon's house.

418
00:19:38,812 --> 00:19:40,277
Can you see it from tyvon's?

419
00:19:40,347 --> 00:19:42,146
Would people there
be able to see

420
00:19:42,215 --> 00:19:44,048
Who's coming in
and out of her driveway?

421
00:19:46,719 --> 00:19:48,252
That's in bad shape.

422
00:19:48,455 --> 00:19:50,988
The roof's caving in.

423
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:54,159
I imagine that all this
was cleared out 15 years ago.

424
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,093
Well, you can get why people
going up and down this road

425
00:19:56,163 --> 00:19:57,828
All day long
noticed her business.

426
00:19:58,030 --> 00:19:59,764
I was gonna say
there's a lot of opportunity

427
00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:01,632
For people to see the cars
coming in and out.

428
00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,033
It's right on the damn road.

429
00:20:03,235 --> 00:20:04,502
Siegler: Let's talk
about the watering hole.

430
00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:05,936
When you pull out of here...

431
00:20:06,072 --> 00:20:07,838
Yeah. You can almost read
that stop sign.

432
00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:09,306
It's that close.

433
00:20:09,376 --> 00:20:12,176
Right past that was where
the watering hole was at.

434
00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:15,313
Siegler: The watering hole
parking lot on a Friday night.

435
00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:17,448
And you're outside
in the parking lot.

436
00:20:17,518 --> 00:20:19,583
No wonder you can hear
two gunshots.

437
00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:21,119
And you look this way.

438
00:20:21,321 --> 00:20:23,854
And then you
would be able to see vehicles

439
00:20:23,923 --> 00:20:25,589
Coming in and out of here.

440
00:20:25,659 --> 00:20:27,958
There were a lot of people
at the watering hole

441
00:20:28,028 --> 00:20:30,261
The night tyvon was murdered.

442
00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,265
And a few of them spotted
trouble driving down the road

443
00:20:33,466 --> 00:20:35,132
A few minutes after
hearing the gunshots.

444
00:20:39,272 --> 00:20:41,872
So, this would be
parking lot area.

445
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:43,375
- Right here?
- Yes.

446
00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:45,275
Where they would've
been standing outside.

447
00:20:45,478 --> 00:20:46,943
- I mean, you're looking...
- Yeah.

448
00:20:46,946 --> 00:20:49,013
Right there should be
where the house is.

449
00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:50,715
- Okay.
- It's a good vantage point

450
00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:53,450
From the parking lot, being able
to see right down this road.

451
00:20:53,452 --> 00:20:55,620
You can see it down there
pretty clearly.

452
00:20:55,822 --> 00:20:58,088
Siegler: Tyvon's mother, dale,
was right.

453
00:20:58,291 --> 00:21:01,558
Anyone at this intersection
the night of tyvon's murder

454
00:21:01,627 --> 00:21:03,427
Would've had a clear view
of her house.

455
00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,629
They would've seen
who was coming and going.

456
00:21:05,832 --> 00:21:08,232
My gut tells me
that someone at the bar

457
00:21:08,301 --> 00:21:11,235
Knows exactly what happened
at tyvon's that night.

458
00:21:11,303 --> 00:21:12,837
We'll split up
and do our witnesses.

459
00:21:12,906 --> 00:21:14,838
You got your list, right?
And we got ours.

460
00:21:14,908 --> 00:21:16,474
- Yep.
- Okay, let's go do that.

461
00:21:25,917 --> 00:21:28,085
Siegler: We've got
three suspects

462
00:21:28,386 --> 00:21:30,888
In the murder
of 25-year-old tyvon whitford

463
00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:32,524
And her unborn child.

464
00:21:33,592 --> 00:21:34,993
Her boyfriend,
terrance "trouble" brown,

465
00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:38,829
His wife at the time, hope,
and maybe an unknown suspect.

466
00:21:39,031 --> 00:21:42,066
We know that terrance
was spotted by people at the bar

467
00:21:42,135 --> 00:21:43,734
Soon after the gunshots
were heard.

468
00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:46,371
But what we're looking for
is a witness

469
00:21:46,572 --> 00:21:49,673
Who saw one of our suspects
at tyvon's house

470
00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:52,343
Before the gunshots.

471
00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:55,346
I'm not just a prosecutor.
I'm also a mother.

472
00:21:55,415 --> 00:21:57,214
And all of us are determined

473
00:21:57,283 --> 00:21:59,683
To help this community
get some answers.

474
00:21:59,885 --> 00:22:01,585
[knocking]

475
00:22:01,622 --> 00:22:03,622
Siegler: It doesn't look like
anybody's been around lately.

476
00:22:03,823 --> 00:22:05,956
We've got some phone numbers
we can try.

477
00:22:06,025 --> 00:22:08,560
This is detective usina with the
putnam county sheriff's office.

478
00:22:08,761 --> 00:22:11,896
- [line beeping]
- she just kicked your [beep].

479
00:22:12,098 --> 00:22:14,299
Siegler: They're just really
not answering back now?

480
00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:16,434
No. Guess we'll just move on.

481
00:22:16,635 --> 00:22:19,403
A lot of witnesses
don't feel like talking.

482
00:22:19,605 --> 00:22:21,773
I tell you something
about these people out here,

483
00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:23,642
Some of 'em probably do know,

484
00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:25,442
But they ain't
gonna say nothing.

485
00:22:25,512 --> 00:22:27,311
Siegler:
And that happens sometimes,

486
00:22:27,379 --> 00:22:29,980
Because some people just
don't like law enforcement,

487
00:22:30,082 --> 00:22:32,717
And sometimes people
are just scared to get involved.

488
00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:34,518
Would you mind sitting
in the car with us?

489
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,652
Sit right up front here.

490
00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:37,321
After a rough start,

491
00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:39,656
We finally found a witness
that's willing to talk to us.

492
00:22:39,859 --> 00:22:42,726
Patricia, thank you very much. I
appreciate you making the time.

493
00:22:42,929 --> 00:22:44,261
Abbondandolo: Patricia high
was at the watering hole

494
00:22:44,331 --> 00:22:46,263
On the night tyvon was murdered.

495
00:22:46,333 --> 00:22:48,065
We wanna know
what she remembers.

496
00:22:48,267 --> 00:22:50,134
Hopefully,
since it's been 15 years,

497
00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:53,070
She's less intimidated
and would be willing to talk.

498
00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:57,407
See, terrance is
my son's father's brother.

499
00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:59,477
He told me not to say nothing,

500
00:22:59,678 --> 00:23:01,813
It's none of my business,
I need to stay out of it.

501
00:23:02,014 --> 00:23:03,413
That was 15 years ago.

502
00:23:03,616 --> 00:23:05,616
And still the same.

503
00:23:05,686 --> 00:23:08,419
You were there on the night,
I guess, of the shooting.

504
00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:10,220
Is that right?

505
00:23:10,423 --> 00:23:12,890
Yeah. We were hanging out at
that bar that used to be there.

506
00:23:13,092 --> 00:23:14,558
And what happened that night
when you were there?

507
00:23:14,627 --> 00:23:16,361
I heard the two pops,

508
00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:18,896
Which I thought was,
you know, a gunshot.

509
00:23:19,099 --> 00:23:20,765
That's what drew my attention.

510
00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:22,767
And then with the car
racing down the road.

511
00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:24,836
And then sweating.
He's in a rush.

512
00:23:25,037 --> 00:23:27,905
And I'm just like,
"what the freak going on here?"

513
00:23:28,107 --> 00:23:31,041
So then big gertz like,
"you need to mind your business.

514
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:33,445
Stay out of people's business."
I was like, "this weird."

515
00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:35,712
So I didn't know
it was actually a murder

516
00:23:35,781 --> 00:23:39,216
Until everyone, you know,
went to saying

517
00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:40,852
That the young lady got shot.

518
00:23:41,053 --> 00:23:43,188
Did you see the car first
or the shots first?

519
00:23:43,389 --> 00:23:44,922
No. I heard the shots.

520
00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:48,325
Then I seen the car racing
down that side road.

521
00:23:48,395 --> 00:23:50,662
- In there by himself?
- Oh, yeah.

522
00:23:50,863 --> 00:23:53,330
Abbondandolo: Patricia confirms
that trouble left tyvon's

523
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:55,933
After the gunshots,
though that may have been

524
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:58,602
When he left to go
and inform tyvon's parents.

525
00:23:58,671 --> 00:24:00,805
She's a good witness,
but we could use somebody

526
00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:02,807
Who saw something
before those shots.

527
00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:05,676
It's helpful
that she come out and told us.

528
00:24:05,746 --> 00:24:07,411
I already got calls saying...

529
00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:08,680
Yeah. I mean, that says a lot.

530
00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:10,081
Yes.

531
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:16,954
Hi. How y'all doing today?

532
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:18,321
Usina: Good. Thank you
for making time for us.

533
00:24:18,425 --> 00:24:19,957
Anytime.

534
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,492
Abbondandolo: Ericka clemons
lived next door to tyvon

535
00:24:21,694 --> 00:24:22,960
15 years ago.

536
00:24:23,162 --> 00:24:24,628
She wasn't at home
at the time of the murder,

537
00:24:24,697 --> 00:24:26,630
But arrived home not long after.

538
00:24:26,699 --> 00:24:28,232
We wonder what she knows
about trouble

539
00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:29,433
And tyvon's relationship.

540
00:24:29,635 --> 00:24:31,669
He was known for beating women.

541
00:24:31,837 --> 00:24:34,171
He was known
for beating women?

542
00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:35,906
Yes. He beat the crap
out of [bleep].

543
00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:37,375
Usina: How do you know that?

544
00:24:37,577 --> 00:24:39,276
'cause I used to tell her
to hit him back. [laughs]

545
00:24:39,345 --> 00:24:40,844
Oh, really?

546
00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:43,447
So, that's who he was dating
when the bank robbery.

547
00:24:43,782 --> 00:24:44,515
He's got a history of violence.

548
00:24:44,584 --> 00:24:46,183
Yeah, he does.

549
00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:50,288
If I asked you who you thought
committed this homicide,

550
00:24:50,623 --> 00:24:51,790
Who are you gonna tell me?

551
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:53,557
- Hope.
- Okay.

552
00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:56,126
I wasn't there
when the incident happened,

553
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:59,931
But hope, when she came back,
was just calm.

554
00:25:00,132 --> 00:25:04,068
I'm looking like, "he got caught
with another woman,

555
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:07,572
The woman dead, and you
still here supporting him."

556
00:25:07,773 --> 00:25:11,742
Now, if that was me
and my husband,

557
00:25:11,812 --> 00:25:13,812
I don't think
I'd have been that calm.

558
00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:16,013
Abbondandolo:: Terrance told you
that hope did it. Is that right?

559
00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:18,148
Yeah. He said,
"I ain't killed coco.

560
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,117
Coco was pregnant
with my baby."

561
00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:22,053
He was like--

562
00:25:22,254 --> 00:25:25,222
When he got home,
it was a mask in the truck,

563
00:25:25,292 --> 00:25:27,291
And he was like,
"what you doing with this?"

564
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,559
My gut still tell me hope.

565
00:25:29,762 --> 00:25:33,497
But I know terrance beat women.

566
00:25:33,565 --> 00:25:34,898
This isn't the first time
that we heard trouble

567
00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,433
Attempting to shift blame.

568
00:25:36,503 --> 00:25:38,702
- Well, thank you very much.
- Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

569
00:25:38,771 --> 00:25:40,504
- Have a good day.
- Y'all have a good day.

570
00:25:40,573 --> 00:25:42,673
Based on what ericka clemons
tells us,

571
00:25:43,008 --> 00:25:44,976
It's possible
that hope was involved.

572
00:25:45,177 --> 00:25:47,177
Or maybe it's just a way
for trouble

573
00:25:47,246 --> 00:25:48,780
To shift the focus
away from himself.

574
00:25:48,981 --> 00:25:50,648
She knew a lot.
She had a heck of a memory.

575
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:51,749
Yeah.

576
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:07,932
So, we're headed to go see
a co-worker of tyvon's,

577
00:26:09,001 --> 00:26:11,269
And she knows a lot
about the relationship

578
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:15,539
Between trouble and tyvon.

579
00:26:15,741 --> 00:26:17,609
In addition
to needing more information

580
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:19,609
From the witnesses
at the watering hole,

581
00:26:19,812 --> 00:26:22,313
We need information from those
who knew tyvon personally.

582
00:26:22,515 --> 00:26:24,348
They were pretty close friends
and worked together, right?

583
00:26:24,417 --> 00:26:25,883
- And worked together.
- Yeah.

584
00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:28,286
This is gonna be an
important piece for us to get.

585
00:26:28,487 --> 00:26:31,088
Klayton and I are meeting with
a former colleague of tyvon's

586
00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:33,490
From the gainesville
correctional institution.

587
00:26:33,492 --> 00:26:35,559
You know her because you guys
worked together.

588
00:26:35,627 --> 00:26:37,427
Yes. We worked together
on the same shift

589
00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:39,897
For a little over a year.

590
00:26:40,098 --> 00:26:41,498
Usina: Did she have any problems

591
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:43,600
With any prisoners
or anything like that?

592
00:26:43,836 --> 00:26:45,569
No.

593
00:26:45,637 --> 00:26:48,105
We were at gci.
That was like a gravy camp.

594
00:26:48,307 --> 00:26:50,041
Like minimum security?

595
00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:51,608
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.

596
00:26:51,677 --> 00:26:54,045
You wouldn't know
about her procedures at home,

597
00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,913
Whether or not she would open
the door for just anyone?

598
00:26:57,116 --> 00:26:59,783
Oh, when it comes to that, no.
She wasn't gonna--no.

599
00:26:59,985 --> 00:27:02,119
No one was gonna come in her
house with her son in there

600
00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:04,655
And she not know who they are.

601
00:27:04,724 --> 00:27:07,324
Okay. So, you don't think
a stranger could have--

602
00:27:07,394 --> 00:27:09,860
Nope. Nope. Nope.

603
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:14,331
Especially with the men
that we work with.

604
00:27:14,533 --> 00:27:16,600
And I'm not even talking
about the inmates.

605
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:18,870
Our lieutenant,
the sergeants and stuff,

606
00:27:19,071 --> 00:27:21,673
They were always telling us,
"don't do this at night,

607
00:27:21,874 --> 00:27:23,473
Don't be opening the door,

608
00:27:23,542 --> 00:27:25,376
Don't be inviting nobody
to your house."

609
00:27:25,578 --> 00:27:28,812
We work with those type
of, um, supervisors

610
00:27:28,882 --> 00:27:31,281
That looked out for the women.

611
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,884
Abbondandolo: Talking to tamar,
the theory of an unknown suspect

612
00:27:33,954 --> 00:27:35,418
Seems less likely.

613
00:27:35,455 --> 00:27:36,754
Tyvon wouldn't
have opened the door

614
00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:38,155
For someone she didn't know.

615
00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:40,090
I remember back then

616
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,159
That she was in a relationship
with a married man.

617
00:27:42,361 --> 00:27:44,628
She found out
that she was pregnant.

618
00:27:44,697 --> 00:27:46,830
She thought
that he was leaving the wife.

619
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:48,364
That's what he's trying
to convince her of.

620
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,368
That's what he's
trying to convince her of.

621
00:27:50,569 --> 00:27:52,836
"we have a family now.
We're gonna be together."

622
00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:54,972
I didn't know

623
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,308
Up until maybe about a month
or so before she died

624
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,477
That they would be physically
fighting each other.

625
00:28:00,546 --> 00:28:01,879
She's my complexion,

626
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:04,648
So I would see something
on her arm at work.

627
00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:06,150
I'm like, "what the hell
wrong with your arm?"

628
00:28:07,453 --> 00:28:09,320
She was like, "girl, playing
and fooling around and doing..."

629
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:10,922
I never believed that.

630
00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:12,522
This is the first person

631
00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:14,492
That tells us
they saw bruises on tyvon,

632
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,326
But not the first person
who suspected

633
00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:17,996
She was
in an abusive relationship.

634
00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:19,663
Usina:
Who do you think did this?

635
00:28:19,731 --> 00:28:22,667
For something to happen to her
in her home,

636
00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:24,667
It--him.

637
00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:27,604
A few of you were working
the 4:00 to 12:00 shift.

638
00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:30,006
She told you, "if anything
happened to me, he did it."

639
00:28:30,075 --> 00:28:31,275
Tamar: "it was him."

640
00:28:31,344 --> 00:28:32,609
- Do you remember that?
- Mm-hmm.

641
00:28:32,679 --> 00:28:34,611
When something
did happen to her,

642
00:28:34,681 --> 00:28:38,014
That was why I said
it had to be him.

643
00:28:38,083 --> 00:28:41,485
That's when one plus one
started equaling two,

644
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,353
'cause I don't think
he wanted the baby.

645
00:28:43,422 --> 00:28:44,956
Okay.

646
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:48,159
I think that was like
a nail in the coffin for him.

647
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,160
I was like really telling her,

648
00:28:50,229 --> 00:28:52,229
"a dude is only gonna do
what you allow him to do.

649
00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:54,298
You have to put
your foot on his neck."

650
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,433
And now I'm sitting here
thinking, like,

651
00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:58,970
Did I tell her to do something
that made him snap?

652
00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:00,972
No.

653
00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:11,616
Let me just see what all
we have left real quick.

654
00:29:11,817 --> 00:29:13,617
So far,
we haven't gotten anywhere

655
00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:15,585
With the theory
of an unknown suspect.

656
00:29:15,787 --> 00:29:18,456
And so far, all the witnesses
that we've talked to

657
00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:20,524
Are pointing to both
trouble and hope.

658
00:29:20,726 --> 00:29:24,261
Now we have cordale.
He's the brother.

659
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:26,463
He won't come in.
He doesn't wanna be involved.

660
00:29:26,665 --> 00:29:28,598
He says he's--
I think he's just tired

661
00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:30,400
And frustrated with all of it.

662
00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:32,236
[line ringing]

663
00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,139
Is this cordale whitford?

664
00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:38,675
Siegler: Cordale is not
just tyvon's brother.

665
00:29:38,745 --> 00:29:41,811
He also was a good friend
of trouble's

666
00:29:42,014 --> 00:29:44,148
Who originally introduced
tyvon to trouble.

667
00:29:49,688 --> 00:29:51,754
She would have met him anyway,
cordale.

668
00:29:51,757 --> 00:29:54,492
Too small of a community.
Everybody knows everybody.

669
00:29:58,564 --> 00:30:00,630
You need to stop that.
You really do.

670
00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:02,699
You need to stop that.

671
00:30:02,769 --> 00:30:05,268
I'm curious to know
what cordale witnessed

672
00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:07,537
Between his sister and trouble.

673
00:30:07,607 --> 00:30:10,107
He was there the day
that tyvon told hope

674
00:30:10,442 --> 00:30:12,243
She was pregnant
with trouble's baby.

675
00:30:12,444 --> 00:30:13,410
What does he remember?

676
00:30:21,253 --> 00:30:24,588
Okay. How did hope act
when she heard this?

677
00:30:24,657 --> 00:30:27,124
What did her face look like,
and what did she say?

678
00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:50,747
So, trouble was
confronting coco

679
00:30:50,817 --> 00:30:53,817
Because she had just
confronted his wife

680
00:30:54,019 --> 00:30:55,786
And he was angry.

681
00:31:02,227 --> 00:31:03,327
Uh-huh.

682
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,030
Oh. You ended up having
to get in the middle.

683
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,032
It got that heated?

684
00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:10,901
Did you think
he was gonna hit her?

685
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:12,702
Siegler: Okay.

686
00:31:12,905 --> 00:31:16,573
It's interesting to hear about
trouble's reaction to tyvon

687
00:31:16,775 --> 00:31:19,042
When he knew she had told hope.

688
00:31:19,111 --> 00:31:20,578
He was furious,

689
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:22,712
So furious
that cordale had to get

690
00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:25,282
In between tyvon and trouble.

691
00:31:30,322 --> 00:31:32,323
So if coco tells trouble,

692
00:31:32,524 --> 00:31:34,591
"it's all fine,
I'm gonna be all right,

693
00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:37,027
I'm moving on,"
how's he gonna take that?

694
00:31:42,134 --> 00:31:45,670
Did you ever run into trouble
after the night of the shooting?

695
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:03,487
[cordale sniffles]

696
00:32:03,556 --> 00:32:05,122
Theed: You're okay.

697
00:32:35,187 --> 00:32:36,687
Huh.

698
00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:57,408
I'm sorry for the long day, man.
You know how it goes.

699
00:32:58,077 --> 00:32:59,409
I'm used to long days.

700
00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:00,944
Abbondandolo:
So far in our investigation

701
00:33:01,013 --> 00:33:03,747
Of the 2007 murder
of tyvon whitford,

702
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:05,581
The witnesses think
that her killer

703
00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:07,650
Could have been
either hope or trouble.

704
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:09,887
If we could figure out why
the murder happened that day,

705
00:33:10,089 --> 00:33:13,156
It may be a critical clue
in solving this case.

706
00:33:13,358 --> 00:33:14,624
Hi, celia.
Thank you for making time

707
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:17,227
To talk with us today.

708
00:33:17,297 --> 00:33:19,363
Abbondandolo: Celia williams
was tyvon's best friend,

709
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,365
And few people
would have known her better.

710
00:33:25,103 --> 00:33:26,704
Usina: Little larry?

711
00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:35,913
Would she open the door
for strangers?

712
00:33:36,115 --> 00:33:37,448
How did she do things
at her house?

713
00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:49,192
So, you don't think a stranger
had anything to do with this?

714
00:33:49,261 --> 00:33:51,762
Who do you think did it?

715
00:34:10,949 --> 00:34:12,415
But...

716
00:34:12,417 --> 00:34:14,417
Abbondandolo: If tyvon
gave trouble an ultimatum,

717
00:34:14,487 --> 00:34:16,053
How would he respond?

718
00:34:16,188 --> 00:34:18,389
Especially when she
already confronted his wife

719
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:19,289
About her pregnancy.

720
00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:24,294
Such a sad...Aw.

721
00:34:24,364 --> 00:34:27,630
Would this ultimatum be enough
for him to kill tyvon?

722
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:30,700
What she said hurt. She's never
had another best friend since.

723
00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:31,668
Yeah.

724
00:34:37,476 --> 00:34:38,509
Siegler: Okay.

725
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:40,878
Okay. So it's probably...

726
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:42,979
Let's try that name.
That's good.

727
00:34:43,049 --> 00:34:44,849
And June the 6th might be
her last day at work

728
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:46,449
Instead of the 7th.

729
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,318
In looking over the case file,

730
00:34:48,388 --> 00:34:51,454
It seems as if tyvon had gone
on maternity leave

731
00:34:51,657 --> 00:34:53,590
Just the day before her murder.

732
00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:55,459
That's pretty odd timing.

733
00:34:55,661 --> 00:34:57,894
Each one of 'em knows
a different little piece

734
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,663
Of the story.

735
00:34:59,732 --> 00:35:02,732
'cause you know how you talk
at work all day long, right?

736
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,135
And I think she told him
a lot about her pregnancy

737
00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:08,071
And her relationship
with trouble.

738
00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:11,741
Today we wanna focus
on tyvon's colleagues at work

739
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:15,211
To see what they might
remember about tyvon,

740
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,413
Especially her relationship
with trouble.

741
00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:19,716
[line ringing]

742
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:24,120
Hello. Is this scottie moore?

743
00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:26,557
I'm detective theed,
putnam county sheriff's office.

744
00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:30,494
I've reopened the investigation
into tyvon whitford.

745
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,732
No, it is still an open case.

746
00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:39,770
Scottie moore
was a corrections officer

747
00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:42,173
Who worked with tyvon at gci.

748
00:35:42,374 --> 00:35:44,708
More importantly,
he was also her friend.

749
00:35:57,389 --> 00:35:58,856
Siegler: She really thought
there was a time

750
00:35:59,057 --> 00:36:01,592
That he was gonna leave
his wife for her.

751
00:36:01,793 --> 00:36:03,727
And then eventually,
what did you see

752
00:36:03,796 --> 00:36:08,365
As far as tyvon's, you know,
attitude or demeanor or change

753
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,734
When she realized
it just wasn't gonna happen?

754
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,687
That "if I can't have you,
nobody can" mentality?

755
00:36:33,758 --> 00:36:37,160
Siegler: Her murder was
on Friday, June the 8th.

756
00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:40,296
The last conversation you had
with her was on June the 6th.

757
00:36:40,366 --> 00:36:42,766
So two days earlier.

758
00:36:42,968 --> 00:36:45,436
'cause she turned in her
maternity papers to take leave.

759
00:36:45,637 --> 00:36:47,104
Do you remember that?

760
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:50,508
Theed: That would be
her last day of work?

761
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:51,842
Okay.

762
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,245
When you heard she was shot,

763
00:36:54,446 --> 00:36:56,179
What was the first thing
that jumped to your mind?

764
00:37:05,924 --> 00:37:08,458
People that knew tyvon
the very best--

765
00:37:08,528 --> 00:37:11,394
Cordale and scottie and celia--

766
00:37:11,596 --> 00:37:13,296
They're telling us
that she was done with trouble.

767
00:37:16,801 --> 00:37:18,269
Wonderful.

768
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:19,936
And after she gave him
an ultimatum,

769
00:37:20,006 --> 00:37:21,472
She ends up dead.

770
00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:24,841
But who wanted her dead more?
Trouble or hope.

771
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:27,978
We're not ready to rule either
one of them out at this point.

772
00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:29,879
- Thank you, sir.
<i> - Yes, ma'am.</i>

773
00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:31,782
Ooh, I like him.

774
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,895
All right. So we know this.

775
00:37:46,498 --> 00:37:47,163
We know this.

776
00:37:47,565 --> 00:37:49,365
We wanna review the timeline

777
00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:51,401
For the night
of tyvon whitford's murder.

778
00:37:51,469 --> 00:37:53,569
While much is still a mystery,

779
00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:57,974
We do know that she called 911
at 11:13 p.M.

780
00:37:58,143 --> 00:37:59,409
After being shot.

781
00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:03,079
And our suspect, terrance brown,
called at 11:18,

782
00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:05,182
Claiming that he had
just arrived

783
00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:06,983
And he was unaware
of what happened.

784
00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:11,321
After 11:05, 11:10 is when
he's at that gas station.

785
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:12,922
Gets the tylenol.

786
00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:16,459
We suspect somewhere
between 11:11 and 11:13

787
00:38:16,661 --> 00:38:17,861
Is when she gets shot.

788
00:38:17,962 --> 00:38:20,663
We know she makes the call
at 11:13.

789
00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:24,201
So depending on how quick
she gets that door shut

790
00:38:24,403 --> 00:38:27,871
And gets over to the phone,
that could've taken 30 seconds

791
00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:29,840
Or it could've taken
two minutes.

792
00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:34,410
Siegler: The big questions are:
Why would he let her call 911

793
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,145
And possibly name him
as the shooter,

794
00:38:36,347 --> 00:38:39,950
And why didn't larry see him
with the gun in his hand

795
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,552
When he came out of the bedroom?

796
00:38:41,753 --> 00:38:44,088
From the time
this call comes in

797
00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:46,956
To the time his call comes in,
it's five minutes.

798
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:51,695
However, if she's shot
back at maybe two minutes before

799
00:38:51,897 --> 00:38:54,832
At 11:11, that gives you
a five-to-seven-minute window.

800
00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:57,634
The argument happens.
He's walking out the door.

801
00:38:57,702 --> 00:38:58,835
He shoots her right there.

802
00:38:59,037 --> 00:39:00,770
But he's, "oh, [bleep],
I just shot her.

803
00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:02,105
I've gotta get rid of this gun."

804
00:39:02,174 --> 00:39:04,240
He whether could leave
in a vehicle,

805
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,377
Or he could've walked on foot
and thrown that gun somewhere--

806
00:39:07,446 --> 00:39:09,445
Put it in a trash can,
threw it under a house,

807
00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:10,780
Did something.

808
00:39:10,916 --> 00:39:13,316
He comes back,
makes his 911 call.

809
00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:16,420
He's still on scene,
and we know the units pull up.

810
00:39:16,621 --> 00:39:18,856
Then after the units
and everybody are on scene,

811
00:39:19,057 --> 00:39:21,857
Somewhere
between this 11:25, 11:30,

812
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:24,394
That's when people see
he's left in the car

813
00:39:24,596 --> 00:39:25,862
"to get the parents."

814
00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:27,797
Abbondandolo: There are
two possibilities.

815
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:30,433
The first is that terrance
is telling the truth.

816
00:39:30,502 --> 00:39:34,303
He arrived at tyvon's house
shortly after the killer fled.

817
00:39:34,339 --> 00:39:37,408
The other
is that he did shoot tyvon,

818
00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:41,511
Left briefly to ditch the gun
between 11:12 and 11:18

819
00:39:41,579 --> 00:39:45,715
And returned possibly unaware
that she had already called 911.

820
00:39:45,917 --> 00:39:47,683
Could that have been
when patricia high

821
00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:49,419
Saw him speeding away
from the house?

822
00:39:49,488 --> 00:39:53,156
The first time a vehicle's
seen leaving that yard,

823
00:39:53,225 --> 00:39:54,491
It's his.

824
00:40:03,302 --> 00:40:05,101
So, they're gonna do
a buildout today

825
00:40:05,303 --> 00:40:07,770
With the exact dimensions
we need--

826
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:11,308
Front screen door to where
her phone was by the pizza box

827
00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:12,842
To where she collapsed
by the tv.

828
00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:14,978
So we can talk about all that.

829
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,514
No one has lived in
tyvon's house since the murder,

830
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:19,382
And the house is falling apart.

831
00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:23,319
So we've recreated the interior
to help us walk through

832
00:40:23,389 --> 00:40:25,054
What we think happened
that night.

833
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,857
This is the size
of her entire house right here?

834
00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:30,359
It's not much bigger than this.
This is the key setup.

835
00:40:30,429 --> 00:40:32,795
So the question is,
what can this space

836
00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:34,197
Tell us about the killer?

837
00:40:34,398 --> 00:40:36,199
So standing right here
in the front yard,

838
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:38,067
What are we gonna talk about
out here first?

839
00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:40,269
Her car would've been,
like, right here.

840
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:41,871
This is the approximation

841
00:40:41,941 --> 00:40:44,874
Of where the shell casing
was found--one of the two.

842
00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:46,743
He could've shot
from outside of the porch

843
00:40:47,078 --> 00:40:47,911
Or being standing on the porch.

844
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:49,713
I think he shot
from the porch.

845
00:40:49,914 --> 00:40:50,880
- I think he did, too.
- Just 'cause of where

846
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,415
The shell casing lands, right?

847
00:40:52,617 --> 00:40:54,084
The shell casing's
gonna come out of the gun

848
00:40:54,418 --> 00:40:55,752
And go behind you.

849
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:56,953
Abbondandolo: Police recovered

850
00:40:57,021 --> 00:40:57,954
One of the two
spent shell casings.

851
00:40:58,357 --> 00:40:59,755
And with the powder burns
on her door screen,

852
00:40:59,824 --> 00:41:01,457
It's safe to say

853
00:41:01,527 --> 00:41:03,559
That the killer was standing
extremely close to the door

854
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:04,761
When they pulled the trigger.

855
00:41:05,096 --> 00:41:06,263
Klayton, do me a favor.

856
00:41:06,431 --> 00:41:08,397
Be the shooter and walk up,

857
00:41:08,467 --> 00:41:09,432
And then do whatever
you think happens

858
00:41:09,634 --> 00:41:11,100
To get her to come to the door.

859
00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:12,669
Knock-knock.

860
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,205
Opens this door, steps up.

861
00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:18,175
Potentially,
the argument starts here.

862
00:41:18,276 --> 00:41:19,575
He's got the gun tucked in.

863
00:41:19,644 --> 00:41:21,644
They start arguing
here at the door.

864
00:41:21,846 --> 00:41:24,547
She's got the door cracked,
and he's in. Pulls the gun out.

865
00:41:24,616 --> 00:41:27,517
She sees the gun,
and she knows he's not playing.

866
00:41:27,586 --> 00:41:29,586
To me, she's closing that door
and backing up.

867
00:41:29,787 --> 00:41:31,721
Bang-bang. Shoots her twice.

868
00:41:31,857 --> 00:41:34,924
- [gunshot]
- tell me where it goes in.

869
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:38,127
So, it goes in right here
and comes out over here.

870
00:41:38,129 --> 00:41:40,730
All right, let's go inside
into the living room.

871
00:41:40,932 --> 00:41:42,366
Tyvon comes in.

872
00:41:42,567 --> 00:41:44,568
Does she make it
all the way to the couch?

873
00:41:44,769 --> 00:41:46,936
- No. She's right out in front.
- Right here?

874
00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:48,504
She falls. She's got
the phone in her hand.

875
00:41:48,707 --> 00:41:51,775
When she's talking to 911,
she's on the floor talking?

876
00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:53,543
We know it's hard
to understand her,

877
00:41:53,612 --> 00:41:55,011
And she's gurgling.

878
00:41:55,046 --> 00:41:58,014
She's bleeding inside her lungs.
She's dying.

879
00:41:58,216 --> 00:41:59,583
Siegler: I can't imagine
the horror

880
00:41:59,784 --> 00:42:01,618
That ran through tyvon's mind.

881
00:42:01,819 --> 00:42:03,419
Shot in the neck

882
00:42:03,488 --> 00:42:06,557
With her unborn baby
in her belly

883
00:42:06,758 --> 00:42:09,426
And her young son
in the room next to her.

884
00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:14,096
And while she didn't identify
her killer on the 911 call,

885
00:42:14,166 --> 00:42:17,967
A big clue may be
what's missing from the scene.

886
00:42:18,037 --> 00:42:20,103
And I think what's critical
to this spot right here

887
00:42:20,304 --> 00:42:22,638
Is this is what the witnesses
described him

888
00:42:22,708 --> 00:42:24,440
Looking for his wallet,
remember?

889
00:42:24,509 --> 00:42:27,244
And there's only
one shell casing found there,

890
00:42:27,445 --> 00:42:28,911
Right in the area
that he's looking,

891
00:42:28,981 --> 00:42:31,213
In the dark at night.

892
00:42:31,416 --> 00:42:33,449
We've heard that terrance was
strangely looking for his wallet

893
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:35,151
In the front yard.

894
00:42:35,221 --> 00:42:37,253
He walking backwards and forward
on the crime scene,

895
00:42:37,455 --> 00:42:39,522
Like pacing,
looking for his wallet.

896
00:42:39,591 --> 00:42:41,190
I think it's more likely

897
00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:43,726
He was trying to recover
that second shell casing.

898
00:42:43,795 --> 00:42:45,662
What are the chances
of a stranger coming in

899
00:42:45,997 --> 00:42:47,931
To fire the shots
through the door

900
00:42:48,133 --> 00:42:50,500
That she never would've opened
the door for anyway?

901
00:42:50,635 --> 00:42:53,770
If you buy that somebody else
did it besides trouble,

902
00:42:53,972 --> 00:42:56,072
Lookie here.
I'm gonna be the other shooter.

903
00:42:56,275 --> 00:42:57,940
And I'm gonna drive off.

904
00:42:58,143 --> 00:43:00,076
Whether I drive this way
or this way,

905
00:43:00,278 --> 00:43:02,278
How's nobody gonna see my car?

906
00:43:02,348 --> 00:43:03,746
Shots draw attention.

907
00:43:03,948 --> 00:43:05,949
So when the shots are heard,

908
00:43:06,151 --> 00:43:07,884
Everybody starts looking
in that direction,

909
00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:11,420
And they don't see any vehicles
but trouble's.

910
00:43:11,623 --> 00:43:12,855
There's no way in the world

911
00:43:12,892 --> 00:43:14,691
That coincidences
like that happen.

912
00:43:14,892 --> 00:43:15,659
It doesn't work.

913
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:17,560
In the whole wide world,

914
00:43:17,629 --> 00:43:18,894
Who had her pregnant?

915
00:43:18,964 --> 00:43:20,330
Who was she dumping?

916
00:43:20,532 --> 00:43:22,466
Who had the temper?
Who had the gun?

917
00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:25,001
Who did they all see?
There's no way.

918
00:43:38,415 --> 00:43:39,816
[knocking]

919
00:43:40,418 --> 00:43:41,484
Theed: Miss brown?

920
00:43:42,554 --> 00:43:43,553
Do you mind talking to us
for a few minutes?

921
00:43:45,256 --> 00:43:47,523
Siegler: We're here to talk
about coco's case.

922
00:43:47,593 --> 00:43:49,659
After our crime scene mock-up,

923
00:43:49,728 --> 00:43:51,928
It seems unlikely
that someone other than terrance

924
00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:54,697
Could have shot tyvon and fled

925
00:43:54,899 --> 00:43:57,767
Without him seeing them
as he arrived.

926
00:43:57,869 --> 00:44:00,202
But what about hope?
The woman he was married to

927
00:44:00,272 --> 00:44:03,339
At the time he was having
an affair with tyvon?

928
00:44:04,509 --> 00:44:06,509
- I can smell it.
- Yeah. It smells good.

929
00:44:08,012 --> 00:44:10,547
Siegler: We know
that tyvon confronted hope

930
00:44:10,749 --> 00:44:13,950
With the news that she was
pregnant with terrance's baby.

931
00:44:14,018 --> 00:44:16,352
Could hope have been capable
or murder

932
00:44:16,422 --> 00:44:18,888
After learning
about that kind of betrayal?

933
00:44:18,958 --> 00:44:22,426
That night I had talked to him,

934
00:44:22,627 --> 00:44:26,095
And he was on his way home
to eat dinner.

935
00:44:26,165 --> 00:44:27,363
Siegler: And he stopped
over there.

936
00:44:27,565 --> 00:44:29,298
And then all of this.

937
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,101
Did he ever tell you back then

938
00:44:31,302 --> 00:44:33,569
That he had been to her house
that same day?

939
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:35,104
Yes. He had been there.

940
00:44:35,173 --> 00:44:36,639
- To the day of the murder?
- Mm-hmm.

941
00:44:36,707 --> 00:44:39,575
So, how is terrance there
so damn fast

942
00:44:39,645 --> 00:44:41,377
After she gets shot?

943
00:44:41,446 --> 00:44:43,646
That doesn't make
any sense, right?

944
00:44:43,715 --> 00:44:46,583
Did he tell you that they
had broke it off that day

945
00:44:46,785 --> 00:44:48,117
Or the day before?

946
00:44:48,187 --> 00:44:49,419
He had been telling me this
for the longest.

947
00:44:50,555 --> 00:44:52,456
And we never had conversations
really about coco

948
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:54,523
Until all
of this stuff happened.

949
00:44:54,725 --> 00:44:58,060
I think maybe a week or a couple
of weeks before that,

950
00:44:58,263 --> 00:44:59,995
That's when I found out
she was pregnant. Oh, well.

951
00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:01,597
That's when she came
to your house and let you know?

952
00:45:01,667 --> 00:45:03,599
- Yes.
- Y'all confronted him on that?

953
00:45:03,669 --> 00:45:05,936
Yeah, because he was seeing
another girl on her.

954
00:45:06,137 --> 00:45:08,271
- Okay. Yeah.
- People are wondering,

955
00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:10,139
You know, did you do it.

956
00:45:10,209 --> 00:45:12,741
But I can't be mad
with the woman.

957
00:45:12,944 --> 00:45:14,810
I was married to terrance.

958
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,113
Terrance was supposed
to be loyal to me.

959
00:45:17,315 --> 00:45:19,148
Siegler: Did you know
that he told a story

960
00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:20,816
That he found
a ski mask and gloves...

961
00:45:20,886 --> 00:45:23,020
- Gloves in your car.
- ...In your car.

962
00:45:23,221 --> 00:45:25,554
- Had you ever heard that?
- No.

963
00:45:25,757 --> 00:45:29,225
- He's saying you did it.
- I promise you, that's not me.

964
00:45:29,293 --> 00:45:31,227
Siegler: If you
were asked today

965
00:45:31,429 --> 00:45:33,162
Whether you were so mad

966
00:45:33,231 --> 00:45:34,897
About that woman being
pregnant with his baby,

967
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:36,031
Back then, what would you say?

968
00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:37,633
If that was the case,

969
00:45:37,703 --> 00:45:40,637
I'd kill the [bleep]
and everybody else, so no.

970
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:43,906
Hope has a point.
Tyvon wasn't the first person

971
00:45:43,975 --> 00:45:45,908
Terrance ever cheated
on her with

972
00:45:45,977 --> 00:45:48,044
And wasn't the only baby mama
in the picture.

973
00:45:48,112 --> 00:45:50,846
Hope never had
any other violent confrontations

974
00:45:50,916 --> 00:45:52,515
With any of the other women,

975
00:45:52,583 --> 00:45:54,583
So why would she have
started with tyvon?

976
00:45:54,785 --> 00:45:56,385
- Did he ever beat on you?
- Yes.

977
00:45:56,454 --> 00:45:57,787
And he cut me, too.

978
00:45:57,989 --> 00:45:59,522
What did he cut you with?

979
00:45:59,591 --> 00:46:01,992
- Um, a straight razor.
- What made him cut you?

980
00:46:02,193 --> 00:46:05,194
He stayed at that
[bleep] house that night.

981
00:46:05,263 --> 00:46:07,064
And he came home
and I told him,

982
00:46:07,265 --> 00:46:08,998
"the best thing you can do..."

983
00:46:09,068 --> 00:46:10,733
I had all his stuff on the bed.

984
00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:13,002
I said, "take all your stuff,

985
00:46:13,072 --> 00:46:16,506
Have her to come
and back in the yard

986
00:46:16,708 --> 00:46:18,407
And get all your stuff
out my house,

987
00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:19,876
'cause I don't need you."

988
00:46:20,077 --> 00:46:21,677
He got mad that you
were done with him.

989
00:46:21,747 --> 00:46:25,281
Yeah. And he cut me.
He cut me. Mm-hmm.

990
00:46:25,483 --> 00:46:28,819
And I told this girl,
"you see what I'm going through?

991
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:31,221
He's cheating on me,
and I'm his damn wife."

992
00:46:31,422 --> 00:46:35,090
I know it's bad to hate
somebody, but I hate that man.

993
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,560
He's ruined my life.

994
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:39,962
After talking to hope,
it's pretty clear

995
00:46:40,031 --> 00:46:41,697
That she had a violent

996
00:46:41,767 --> 00:46:44,066
And volatile relationship
with trouble.

997
00:46:44,135 --> 00:46:45,968
A man who blamed her
for killing the woman

998
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:47,903
He cheated on her with.

999
00:46:47,972 --> 00:46:50,306
But I do know

1000
00:46:50,509 --> 00:46:53,176
He gonna get paid back
for the same thing he done.

1001
00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:02,719
- Man:<i> Hello.</i>
- My name is klayton usina.

1002
00:47:02,921 --> 00:47:05,854
I'm a detective with the putnam
county sheriff's office.

1003
00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:07,790
We're following up
on an eyewitness report

1004
00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:09,992
Of a man who knew
both tyvon and trouble

1005
00:47:10,061 --> 00:47:11,794
And was outside
the watering hole

1006
00:47:11,863 --> 00:47:13,730
On the night
that she was killed.

1007
00:47:17,068 --> 00:47:18,667
The evidence is pointing
at trouble,

1008
00:47:18,736 --> 00:47:23,039
But in a case like this,
you're always looking for more.

1009
00:47:25,476 --> 00:47:28,010
Oh, I'm the police, man.
I just looked your number up.

1010
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,012
I'm just calling
to pick your brain

1011
00:47:30,214 --> 00:47:33,015
To see if you know anything
about coco's murder

1012
00:47:33,217 --> 00:47:35,718
Back in 2007.

1013
00:47:42,427 --> 00:47:43,759
Abbondandolo:
Tyvon's mom, dale,

1014
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:45,361
Has talked
to just about everybody

1015
00:47:45,429 --> 00:47:46,897
About her daughter's case.

1016
00:47:47,098 --> 00:47:49,766
Keenon is only talking to us
out of respect for dale.

1017
00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:34,076
- Yeah.
- Okay.

1018
00:48:34,278 --> 00:48:35,878
This information is crucial,

1019
00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:37,714
And this is exactly
what we needed.

1020
00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:41,150
It places trouble at tyvon's
before the gunshots.

1021
00:48:41,286 --> 00:48:42,652
You walk by the house

1022
00:48:42,854 --> 00:48:46,022
And you see his car
out front of coco's house?

1023
00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:49,825
You're walking
towards the watering hole bar.

1024
00:48:49,895 --> 00:48:54,497
And then within five or
10 minutes, you hear the shots?

1025
00:48:54,566 --> 00:48:56,865
And then he pulls away
from the house.

1026
00:48:56,935 --> 00:48:58,367
<i> Right.</i>

1027
00:48:58,437 --> 00:49:00,769
All right. Well, 10-4, man.
I appreciate it.

1028
00:49:00,972 --> 00:49:01,770
<i> All right.</i>

1029
00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:03,238
Holy cow.

1030
00:49:03,307 --> 00:49:05,174
That was a great interview.

1031
00:49:05,244 --> 00:49:06,542
Usina: Yes.

1032
00:49:14,518 --> 00:49:17,254
So let's hope that trouble
knows you're coming

1033
00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:18,855
And he thinks he's so smart

1034
00:49:19,057 --> 00:49:20,989
He comes up with some
new version of what happened.

1035
00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:23,258
Yeah. He knows we're coming
and we ain't gonna find him.

1036
00:49:23,327 --> 00:49:25,662
One of 'em.

1037
00:49:25,863 --> 00:49:28,331
And you often strategize
on your drive up there.

1038
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:30,933
But just remember
he knows the case.

1039
00:49:31,001 --> 00:49:33,536
Don't bluff
with an incorrect fact,

1040
00:49:33,738 --> 00:49:35,804
'cause he's gonna know
when you're bluffing.

1041
00:49:36,007 --> 00:49:37,005
He'll see right through that.

1042
00:49:37,208 --> 00:49:38,807
He's not worried
about going to jail.

1043
00:49:39,009 --> 00:49:40,075
He's not afraid
of talking to the cops,

1044
00:49:40,144 --> 00:49:41,009
'cause he thinks he's smarter.

1045
00:49:41,212 --> 00:49:42,378
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

1046
00:49:42,447 --> 00:49:45,280
Back him in a corner,
see what he does.

1047
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:47,450
- You wanna hit the road?
- Yes.

1048
00:49:53,224 --> 00:49:55,424
Abbondandolo: We now have
a witness

1049
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:59,529
That places terrance at tyvon's
before and after the gunshots.

1050
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:01,431
This is one hell
of a circumstantial case.

1051
00:50:01,765 --> 00:50:03,966
- You ready?
- Yeah.

1052
00:50:04,035 --> 00:50:05,901
Hello?

1053
00:50:05,971 --> 00:50:08,670
Not sure which one
is the front door.

1054
00:50:08,873 --> 00:50:10,806
Ooh. A little breezy out.

1055
00:50:10,875 --> 00:50:13,042
- Hey, what's up, man? Terrance.
- Yes, sir.

1056
00:50:13,244 --> 00:50:14,843
Hey, man. My name
is klayton usina.

1057
00:50:14,912 --> 00:50:16,912
I work with the putnam county
sheriff's office.

1058
00:50:16,981 --> 00:50:19,215
The only thing we're missing
is a confession,

1059
00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:21,651
But I'm not holding
my breath for that.

1060
00:50:25,656 --> 00:50:27,289
So, we, uh, you know--
we appreciate

1061
00:50:27,326 --> 00:50:29,191
You talking with us.

1062
00:50:29,393 --> 00:50:31,927
We know that y'all were dating
at the time.

1063
00:50:31,997 --> 00:50:33,862
We just kinda wanna run
through it

1064
00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:35,998
And see what you can remember
and what details you can give us

1065
00:50:36,067 --> 00:50:38,335
From that night.

1066
00:50:38,536 --> 00:50:41,336
So, up until what point?
Where do you wanna start at?

1067
00:50:41,405 --> 00:50:43,472
Just start from that day.
Tell us, like,

1068
00:50:43,542 --> 00:50:45,340
Kinda earlier in the day.

1069
00:50:45,409 --> 00:50:47,744
Before I got ready
to go see her, I called her,

1070
00:50:47,945 --> 00:50:50,212
And I asked her
what she was up to,

1071
00:50:50,281 --> 00:50:52,347
And she was saying nothing,
that her head was hurting

1072
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:55,017
And stuff like that,
could I bring her some tylenol?

1073
00:50:55,219 --> 00:50:58,755
So when I left the store,
as I'm pulling in the yard--

1074
00:50:58,856 --> 00:51:01,491
You know, she keep her light on,
her front porch light on--

1075
00:51:01,692 --> 00:51:03,760
Look like blood on the door.

1076
00:51:03,961 --> 00:51:07,029
I'm seeing this all
as I pull up.

1077
00:51:07,097 --> 00:51:08,697
Do you think you might
have passed the suspect

1078
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:10,033
As you pulled up?

1079
00:51:10,234 --> 00:51:12,435
Wasn't nobody like on--

1080
00:51:12,637 --> 00:51:14,703
I didn't see nobody going
over the top of the hill

1081
00:51:14,772 --> 00:51:17,105
Or anything. Wasn't nobody
passing by me at the time.

1082
00:51:17,308 --> 00:51:20,043
I ran to the front door.
I opened the door, and I looked,

1083
00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:22,644
And she was laying on the floor
in blood.

1084
00:51:22,714 --> 00:51:25,047
It was so much blood.
I don't know

1085
00:51:25,115 --> 00:51:27,049
If she was stabbed
or nothing at the time.

1086
00:51:27,117 --> 00:51:28,984
I'm freaking out.
I never seen nobody like this.

1087
00:51:29,053 --> 00:51:30,986
- Mm-hmm.
- So I grab her.

1088
00:51:31,055 --> 00:51:33,956
I start screaming for her son--
you know what I'm saying--

1089
00:51:34,158 --> 00:51:36,125
Little larry--at the time,
her son she had.

1090
00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:38,528
But I ran in the room.
I looked. He was sleep.

1091
00:51:38,729 --> 00:51:41,229
So I get on the phone.
I'm calling 911.

1092
00:51:41,266 --> 00:51:43,199
I'm trying to talk to her.
I'm freaking out.

1093
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,935
Miss ada mae was coming
in the yard at the time.

1094
00:51:45,937 --> 00:51:48,937
She say, "I just heard something
sound like a firecracker.

1095
00:51:49,006 --> 00:51:50,206
I thought it was you."
I said, "no.

1096
00:51:50,407 --> 00:51:51,607
I just pulled over here."

1097
00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:54,744
So I gave miss ada mae larry.

1098
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:56,011
Usina: Then you said
he's still sleeping?

1099
00:51:56,081 --> 00:51:58,414
Yes. I went and got him
out the bed.

1100
00:51:58,482 --> 00:52:02,884
There's just a lot
of inconsistency.

1101
00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:04,286
You go in there
and waking him up.

1102
00:52:04,355 --> 00:52:06,355
I mean,
he was in the living room, and--

1103
00:52:06,557 --> 00:52:09,091
Terrance:
He wasn't in the living room.

1104
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,228
Man, listen.
Wasn't nobody in there but me.

1105
00:52:12,363 --> 00:52:14,096
And the deputies weren't there?

1106
00:52:14,165 --> 00:52:16,431
They weren't there yet.
When I left, wasn't [bleep].

1107
00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:18,033
Putnam county slow as [bleep].

1108
00:52:18,103 --> 00:52:19,501
That's just not correct, though.

1109
00:52:19,571 --> 00:52:21,004
What you mean?

1110
00:52:21,205 --> 00:52:22,971
I can tell you the facts,
all right?

1111
00:52:23,173 --> 00:52:24,706
You wasn't there that night.

1112
00:52:24,776 --> 00:52:27,109
Correct. But I have
all the evidence, all right?

1113
00:52:27,177 --> 00:52:28,710
11:18 is when you make the call.

1114
00:52:28,780 --> 00:52:30,112
God!

1115
00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:32,514
11:22's when the first officer
on scene.

1116
00:52:32,717 --> 00:52:35,517
And you went out
in the middle of county road 21,

1117
00:52:35,587 --> 00:52:38,188
And you're standing in the road
flagging the officer down.

1118
00:52:40,591 --> 00:52:42,424
[siren blaring]

1119
00:52:47,031 --> 00:52:48,864
You flagged the cop down.

1120
00:52:48,934 --> 00:52:50,900
- Okay, so what is--
- I can tell you the--

1121
00:52:51,102 --> 00:52:52,935
I can tell you
the exact seconds. All right?

1122
00:52:53,004 --> 00:52:55,671
Where is the gun?
Where is the gsr test?

1123
00:52:55,873 --> 00:52:57,540
- You had gsr.
- What's going on?

1124
00:52:57,742 --> 00:53:00,142
You had gsr
on both of your hands

1125
00:53:00,211 --> 00:53:01,744
And all over your clothes.

1126
00:53:01,946 --> 00:53:05,581
I shot a gun earlier that week
out there in the woods.

1127
00:53:05,583 --> 00:53:07,816
I don't know, sir.
So much happened that night.

1128
00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:08,885
I don't freaking know.

1129
00:53:19,162 --> 00:53:20,996
Usina: You had gsr
on both of your hands

1130
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:22,464
And all over your clothes.

1131
00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:24,667
Do you remember
how they did the test on you?

1132
00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:26,635
Yeah. They rubbed
some [bleep] on my hands.

1133
00:53:26,705 --> 00:53:28,770
Okay. When he walked out,

1134
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,306
The video shows you digging
all up in your nails.

1135
00:53:31,376 --> 00:53:32,774
What was that for?

1136
00:53:32,844 --> 00:53:35,111
Oh, I do that.
I always clean my nails.

1137
00:53:35,313 --> 00:53:37,247
That's like a thing I do.

1138
00:53:37,448 --> 00:53:39,581
My nerves--
when I get nervous, I do that.

1139
00:53:39,651 --> 00:53:41,518
Did you ever find your wallet
that night?

1140
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,520
I don't remember anything
about a wallet.

1141
00:53:43,721 --> 00:53:46,054
I mean, did I said
I dropped a wallet?

1142
00:53:46,257 --> 00:53:49,057
Yeah. Everybody--we've talked to
four or five different people

1143
00:53:49,259 --> 00:53:51,059
That were out there
at the scene

1144
00:53:51,128 --> 00:53:53,462
That said you were pacing around
looking for a wallet out there.

1145
00:53:53,532 --> 00:53:56,199
But the key to us
that's important

1146
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,201
Is you're there at scene

1147
00:53:58,402 --> 00:54:01,671
Within minutes of this shooting
by your own call. Right?

1148
00:54:01,872 --> 00:54:04,406
So, what are you
getting at, bro?

1149
00:54:04,475 --> 00:54:06,742
Why do you keep telling us
so many different stories?

1150
00:54:06,944 --> 00:54:08,877
I'm not giving you
too many different stories.

1151
00:54:08,946 --> 00:54:11,013
And why are you
pouring sweat right now?

1152
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:13,081
Because I'm [bleep] aggravated.

1153
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:15,884
I got hypertension.
I take [bleep] xanax and all.

1154
00:54:16,086 --> 00:54:17,953
I'm not no american gangster

1155
00:54:18,155 --> 00:54:19,755
And [bleep] tote guns
and shoot people.

1156
00:54:19,823 --> 00:54:21,324
I don't do that.

1157
00:54:21,525 --> 00:54:23,025
This interview has clearly
struck a nerve.

1158
00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:26,295
He's sweating. He's getting
agitated with the questioning.

1159
00:54:26,364 --> 00:54:28,430
He hasn't asked us
how's the case going

1160
00:54:28,632 --> 00:54:30,165
Or if there's
any new information.

1161
00:54:30,301 --> 00:54:32,234
Shouldn't he wanna know
who killed his girlfriend

1162
00:54:32,303 --> 00:54:34,036
And his unborn child?

1163
00:54:34,105 --> 00:54:37,173
If, for no other reason,
than to clear his own name.

1164
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:40,843
Were you and coco breaking up
right before that day?

1165
00:54:41,045 --> 00:54:42,577
No, sir.

1166
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:45,113
Did she tell you she wanted
to end things with you?

1167
00:54:45,183 --> 00:54:47,516
No, sir.
You barking up the wrong tree.

1168
00:54:47,586 --> 00:54:49,586
You need to go holler at hope.

1169
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:52,387
None of y'all dumbasses never--
excuse me for saying this.

1170
00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:54,589
- Hope's been talked to.
- Not you. Not you.

1171
00:54:54,792 --> 00:54:57,359
But putnam county
need to go talk to her.

1172
00:54:57,561 --> 00:54:59,127
Because, listen,
I'm gonna tell you this,

1173
00:54:59,196 --> 00:55:01,663
When I came outside,
I look out there

1174
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:05,667
By the road and stuff,
and I don't see nobody.

1175
00:55:05,737 --> 00:55:07,604
But I see tire prints.

1176
00:55:07,805 --> 00:55:11,608
It look like truck prints.
At that time, we had a durango.

1177
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:13,176
I gotta tell you, terrance,

1178
00:55:13,377 --> 00:55:14,844
It sounds like you're trying
to put this on hope.

1179
00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:17,179
Usina: None of this information
was given to law enforcement

1180
00:55:17,381 --> 00:55:18,915
In any of your prior interviews.

1181
00:55:19,116 --> 00:55:21,283
Did hope tell you she did it?

1182
00:55:21,485 --> 00:55:23,685
No. That Wednesday
I just told hope

1183
00:55:23,755 --> 00:55:26,021
That I didn't wanna
be with her no more.

1184
00:55:26,223 --> 00:55:29,025
Now, I didn't know if she knew
about me and hope or whatever.

1185
00:55:29,226 --> 00:55:30,759
Usina: She knew tyvon
was pregnant.

1186
00:55:30,828 --> 00:55:32,961
See, I didn't know that.

1187
00:55:33,163 --> 00:55:37,634
You told the cops 15 years ago
in 2007 that she knew.

1188
00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:40,035
That is what you told the cops.

1189
00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:41,270
- Okay.
- And you stayed with her

1190
00:55:41,605 --> 00:55:42,704
For another two years?.
Weren't you afraid

1191
00:55:42,907 --> 00:55:44,206
Of her putting
some bullets in you?

1192
00:55:44,276 --> 00:55:46,742
- No. I was watching her.
- You were watching her?

1193
00:55:46,811 --> 00:55:50,512
Yeah. I always known her
to say some more extra [bleep],

1194
00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:52,848
So I could go
to the sheriff's office

1195
00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:54,583
And put them people on her.

1196
00:55:54,653 --> 00:55:57,219
Abbondandolo: Everyone knew
that tyvon was pregnant.

1197
00:55:57,421 --> 00:56:00,522
People in town knew that tyvon
had confronted hope about it.

1198
00:56:00,591 --> 00:56:02,524
Cordale was there
when his sister told hope

1199
00:56:02,593 --> 00:56:04,059
That she was pregnant.

1200
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:06,662
Terrance has already told this
to law enforcement.

1201
00:56:06,731 --> 00:56:08,931
So it's a strange lie
to tell now.

1202
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,866
Usina:
Everybody points at you, right?

1203
00:56:11,068 --> 00:56:12,468
Why is everybody
pointing at you?

1204
00:56:12,669 --> 00:56:13,869
Why are they focused on you?

1205
00:56:14,071 --> 00:56:15,672
Why are they not pointing
at hope?

1206
00:56:15,873 --> 00:56:17,539
'cause they don't
wanna see that.

1207
00:56:17,741 --> 00:56:19,174
Okay.

1208
00:56:19,376 --> 00:56:21,411
Do you think some people
think you're being dishonest?

1209
00:56:21,612 --> 00:56:25,014
- Yeah. And I ain't, man.
- Okay.

1210
00:56:25,215 --> 00:56:26,949
So I just wanna go over every--

1211
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:29,418
Like I said,
every little piece here.

1212
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:33,355
What I see is a woman
who's got a straight-up job,

1213
00:56:33,423 --> 00:56:36,558
Having an affair
with a guy who's married,

1214
00:56:36,627 --> 00:56:38,827
Whose wife is not happy.

1215
00:56:38,897 --> 00:56:40,896
You would be
my number-one suspect.

1216
00:56:41,098 --> 00:56:43,498
I mean, who has a motive
to kill this woman?

1217
00:56:43,568 --> 00:56:46,568
I shouldn't have came
and [bleep] found her there.

1218
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:48,638
Then y'all would've been
in somebody else face today.

1219
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:50,373
Don't try to flip
nothing around...

1220
00:56:50,574 --> 00:56:52,040
I'm not--I'm not--

1221
00:56:52,109 --> 00:56:54,976
...To look for a loophole
to try to solve this case.

1222
00:56:55,046 --> 00:56:57,212
- Tell me.
- Don't try to do all that.

1223
00:56:57,414 --> 00:56:59,849
Terrance, have you ever lied to
the police in talking with them?

1224
00:57:00,050 --> 00:57:02,652
[sighs] no.
But I'm tired of talking, bro.

1225
00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:04,319
- All right.
- I'm ready to get my lawyer.

1226
00:57:04,389 --> 00:57:05,787
All right.
Well, you're good then.

1227
00:57:05,857 --> 00:57:07,290
Thanks for talking with us.

1228
00:57:07,491 --> 00:57:08,857
Yeah. That's all you gonna get.

1229
00:57:08,927 --> 00:57:11,927
Just like I told you,
y'all need to go holler at hope.

1230
00:57:11,995 --> 00:57:14,062
Usina: All righty.
Thank you, terrance.

1231
00:57:14,131 --> 00:57:16,132
That was a stunning interview.

1232
00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,734
The tears. The sweating.
The inconsistencies.

1233
00:57:18,802 --> 00:57:20,435
I didn't believe a word of it.

1234
00:57:20,637 --> 00:57:22,871
He lied a whole bunch on things
that he didn't need to lie on.

1235
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:24,239
Usina: Yeah.

1236
00:57:33,317 --> 00:57:35,017
Thank you, thank you.

1237
00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:37,086
You got the boss man
here today, huh?

1238
00:57:37,287 --> 00:57:39,020
- Yeah, we do.
- Siegler: Nice.

1239
00:57:39,090 --> 00:57:41,423
Today we're going over
what we've discovered

1240
00:57:41,625 --> 00:57:43,659
After reviewing all the evidence

1241
00:57:43,827 --> 00:57:45,762
And contacting
dozens of witnesses this week.

1242
00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:48,430
We can cross theories
off the board

1243
00:57:48,499 --> 00:57:51,599
And focus on who we think
is responsible for this crime.

1244
00:57:51,636 --> 00:57:55,504
So, on day one, we put up
on the board "unknown intruder."

1245
00:57:55,706 --> 00:57:57,906
And now that we've talked
to all these witnesses,

1246
00:57:57,975 --> 00:58:02,177
Is it possible that tyvon
was shot by an unknown intruder?

1247
00:58:02,379 --> 00:58:04,580
We've come across no one
that said

1248
00:58:04,781 --> 00:58:07,182
Any ill will or any negative
things to say about her.

1249
00:58:07,252 --> 00:58:09,051
There's no bad blood at work.

1250
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,119
Did she have any problems

1251
00:58:11,321 --> 00:58:13,122
With any of the inmates
or anything like that?

1252
00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:14,223
No.

1253
00:58:18,395 --> 00:58:20,128
She might be the most
favorite corrections officer

1254
00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:21,663
Gci's ever had.

1255
00:58:21,865 --> 00:58:22,664
- Right.
- That's what we've heard.

1256
00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:24,599
Everyone that knows her says

1257
00:58:24,668 --> 00:58:26,601
She's not gonna
open that door for a stranger.

1258
00:58:26,603 --> 00:58:28,336
So everybody's good with
scratching that off the board.

1259
00:58:28,539 --> 00:58:31,274
I think we can remove that
as an aspect of this case.

1260
00:58:31,475 --> 00:58:33,641
Siegler: Yes. All right. Hope.

1261
00:58:33,678 --> 00:58:37,012
Our witness that said,
"oh, you know, it could be hope"

1262
00:58:37,214 --> 00:58:39,614
Was based off a conversation
that she had with terrance

1263
00:58:39,684 --> 00:58:42,684
Where terrance said
that she had a ski mask

1264
00:58:42,753 --> 00:58:45,420
And, you know,
these other items in the car.

1265
00:58:45,422 --> 00:58:48,490
She did give the same account

1266
00:58:48,691 --> 00:58:50,692
That she gave previously
15 years ago.

1267
00:58:50,761 --> 00:58:52,427
So nothing has changed

1268
00:58:52,497 --> 00:58:55,964
Other than she disclosed
the violent temper,

1269
00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:58,233
Because she didn't wanna do it
at the time

1270
00:58:58,435 --> 00:58:59,501
Because she was married to him.

1271
00:58:59,569 --> 00:59:01,569
There's also
five other baby mamas.

1272
00:59:01,772 --> 00:59:03,505
Why didn't she kill
the other five?

1273
00:59:03,707 --> 00:59:04,973
She said that.

1274
00:59:05,042 --> 00:59:06,776
If that was the case,
I'd killed [bleep]

1275
00:59:06,977 --> 00:59:09,010
And everybody else, so no.

1276
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:10,846
I look at her now as a victim
in this whole thing.

1277
00:59:10,914 --> 00:59:12,714
- Yeah.
- He throws her under the bus

1278
00:59:12,783 --> 00:59:14,850
And then drives the bus
over the top of her.

1279
00:59:14,918 --> 00:59:17,987
Is everybody in agreement that
hope brown comes off the board?

1280
00:59:18,188 --> 00:59:19,387
- Absolutely.
- Yeah.

1281
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:21,990
Nothing in our interaction
with hope

1282
00:59:22,059 --> 00:59:24,326
Made us think she had anything
to do with this.

1283
00:59:24,395 --> 00:59:27,129
She let us in. She talked.

1284
00:59:27,265 --> 00:59:29,164
She remembered her own violent

1285
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:31,599
And tumultuous relationship
with trouble.

1286
00:59:31,802 --> 00:59:33,668
We don't buy
that hope was involved.

1287
00:59:33,771 --> 00:59:35,937
All right. So now we got our
whole board over here dedicated

1288
00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:38,273
To terrance "trouble" brown.

1289
00:59:38,275 --> 00:59:40,309
All right.
Hope, she does tell you

1290
00:59:40,511 --> 00:59:43,145
That what really happened
in her marriage with trouble.

1291
00:59:43,313 --> 00:59:45,613
There was one time that he got
caught with another woman.

1292
00:59:45,816 --> 00:59:48,617
She told trouble
to have one of his girls

1293
00:59:48,686 --> 00:59:50,852
Come over and pick his stuff up.
Trouble got upset.

1294
00:59:50,921 --> 00:59:52,621
And he cut me, too.

1295
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:54,289
What did he cut you with?

1296
00:59:54,491 --> 00:59:56,224
Um, a straight razor.

1297
00:59:56,426 --> 00:59:59,295
And how about the witnesses
from the watering hole?

1298
00:59:59,496 --> 01:00:02,832
I heard the shots.
Then I seen the car racing.

1299
01:00:03,033 --> 01:00:05,501
- Oh, you saw the car racing
- up out the--

1300
01:00:05,703 --> 01:00:06,969
Down that side road.

1301
01:00:16,346 --> 01:00:17,914
The best piece of evidence

1302
01:00:18,115 --> 01:00:20,649
Is the person
with the greatest motive

1303
01:00:20,718 --> 01:00:22,517
For killing this woman

1304
01:00:22,587 --> 01:00:25,655
Shows up within minutes
of her being shot.

1305
01:00:25,856 --> 01:00:28,257
And remember
the 911 dispatcher saying,

1306
01:00:28,458 --> 01:00:30,192
"can you give her cpr?"
he doesn't answer.

1307
01:00:37,067 --> 01:00:38,933
He can't tell us the truth
about it

1308
01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:41,537
When we interview him
15 years later.

1309
01:00:41,738 --> 01:00:44,806
Usina: And there's just a lot
of inconsistencies.

1310
01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:46,541
I don't know, sir.

1311
01:00:46,611 --> 01:00:49,177
So much happened that night.
I don't freaking know.

1312
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:51,613
And you have
law enforcement officers,

1313
01:00:51,681 --> 01:00:54,082
Corrections officers
telling you

1314
01:00:54,151 --> 01:00:56,151
That the day
she turned in her papers,

1315
01:00:56,486 --> 01:00:59,154
She said, "I'm done with him.
I'm moving on with my life.

1316
01:00:59,356 --> 01:01:00,755
He wants his wife,
he can have his wife.

1317
01:01:00,824 --> 01:01:02,357
I am done with him
and keeping my baby

1318
01:01:02,426 --> 01:01:03,892
And raising my baby on my own."

1319
01:01:03,962 --> 01:01:05,627
And lo and behold,
she ends up dead.

1320
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:08,764
After our investigation,
we are all in agreement

1321
01:01:08,965 --> 01:01:12,168
The evidence points directly
at terrance brown.

1322
01:01:12,369 --> 01:01:15,037
The plan's to go ahead
and put it before the state

1323
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,105
And let us know
how they feel about it,

1324
01:01:17,175 --> 01:01:18,908
And then we'll be able
to get those answers

1325
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,175
To the whitford family.

1326
01:01:20,244 --> 01:01:22,477
- Let's go tell her.
- Okay. Let's go.

1327
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:36,992
[vocalizing]

1328
01:01:38,328 --> 01:01:40,995
Usina: You're always wanting
that little extra piece or two.

1329
01:01:41,198 --> 01:01:45,067
But, yeah, I absolutely think
that this has been a good case.

1330
01:01:45,269 --> 01:01:46,468
Couldn't have turned out
any better.

1331
01:01:46,537 --> 01:01:48,203
Yeah.

1332
01:01:48,405 --> 01:01:51,506
Woman:<i> ♪ words will</i>
<i> bring me liberation ♪</i>

1333
01:01:51,575 --> 01:01:55,011
<i> ♪ voice will bring</i>
<i> my salvation ♪</i>

1334
01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:57,046
Siegler:
How old are you? 33?

1335
01:01:57,247 --> 01:01:58,747
34.

1336
01:01:58,950 --> 01:02:00,749
So, let me tell you something.
'cause I'm old.

1337
01:02:00,818 --> 01:02:03,151
I don't work in the world
of confessions and dna.

1338
01:02:03,221 --> 01:02:06,020
I work in the world of
circumstantial evidence cases.

1339
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:09,290
This is a good case,
and you need to know that

1340
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,226
So that for the rest
of your career

1341
01:02:11,228 --> 01:02:13,495
And as you promote
up in the ranks,

1342
01:02:13,563 --> 01:02:15,765
You gotta keep believing
in these kinds of cases.

1343
01:02:15,966 --> 01:02:17,499
Don't start thinking
like a lawyer.

1344
01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:18,834
You keep thinking
just the way you're thinking.

1345
01:02:19,035 --> 01:02:20,235
Usina: Yeah.

1346
01:02:20,303 --> 01:02:22,637
After spending time
in putnam county,

1347
01:02:22,707 --> 01:02:24,707
We got to let miss dale know

1348
01:02:24,908 --> 01:02:26,708
What all we learned
from the community.

1349
01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:31,113
She needs to know how many
people did all that they could

1350
01:02:31,315 --> 01:02:33,315
To help her get justice
for tyvon.

1351
01:02:35,853 --> 01:02:38,186
- Hi, you guys.
- Hello, everybody.

1352
01:02:38,255 --> 01:02:39,721
How y'all doing?
All right, all right.

1353
01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:40,922
Good morning. Good morning.

1354
01:02:40,991 --> 01:02:42,390
This is our son, ron.

1355
01:02:42,459 --> 01:02:44,726
- Hey, ron.
- I'm kelly. Nice to meet you.

1356
01:02:44,795 --> 01:02:47,129
- I'm klayton.
- Nice to meet you.

1357
01:02:47,331 --> 01:02:49,799
So, um, it's been a good week.

1358
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,934
We went back
through this case top to bottom.

1359
01:02:53,136 --> 01:02:56,538
We've come to the conclusion
that trouble's our suspect.

1360
01:02:56,607 --> 01:02:57,639
Okay?

1361
01:03:01,345 --> 01:03:03,578
We've got nothing
that would point to anyone else.

1362
01:03:05,682 --> 01:03:07,081
Oh, lord.

1363
01:03:07,284 --> 01:03:10,819
I can breathe a little bit now.
I can breathe.

1364
01:03:10,888 --> 01:03:13,721
We've got a meeting with
the state's attorney office.

1365
01:03:13,791 --> 01:03:16,291
We're optimistic that everything
that we've comb through

1366
01:03:16,493 --> 01:03:18,293
Over the last week or so

1367
01:03:18,361 --> 01:03:22,096
Has hopefully got us over
any of those hiccups.

1368
01:03:22,165 --> 01:03:24,500
We're hoping finally

1369
01:03:24,701 --> 01:03:26,368
You're gonna get some justice
for your baby.

1370
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:28,169
Ain't gonna get her back,

1371
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,438
But I know
somebody's gonna pay for it.

1372
01:03:30,507 --> 01:03:34,110
I appreciate--
I appreciate what you saying.

1373
01:03:34,311 --> 01:03:36,444
- Kelly.
- Yes, sir.

1374
01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,780
You and detective klayton,
thank y'all.

1375
01:03:38,849 --> 01:03:40,783
- No problem.
- You're very welcome.

1376
01:03:40,984 --> 01:03:43,251
We can see that...[sniffles]

1377
01:03:43,321 --> 01:03:46,921
I thank y'all so much.
[sobbing]

1378
01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:50,126
Some days it's rough.
Some days it's fair.

1379
01:03:50,327 --> 01:03:53,462
Some days, you know, it's just--

1380
01:03:54,598 --> 01:03:56,132
You just have to look
up in the sky

1381
01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,667
And ask god to just keep giving
you strength to keep going.

1382
01:03:59,736 --> 01:04:01,203
It's okay.

1383
01:04:01,405 --> 01:04:03,472
They got him now.
They got him now.

1384
01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:05,273
[sobbing continues]

1385
01:04:05,343 --> 01:04:07,775
We just want justice.

1386
01:04:07,845 --> 01:04:09,477
That's all.

1387
01:04:09,546 --> 01:04:12,747
Justice and hoping
before it's too late.

1388
01:04:12,817 --> 01:04:14,550
[sobbing continues]

1389
01:04:14,751 --> 01:04:18,353
Those--man, 15 years
is a long time.

1390
01:04:18,555 --> 01:04:22,358
That's a burden you have to take
day in and day out.

1391
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:27,228
I'm grateful, but it's still
don't justify the fact

1392
01:04:27,431 --> 01:04:30,498
That I had to lose my mom
that night.

1393
01:04:30,567 --> 01:04:33,234
- I'm just angry, you know?
- Siegler: I don't blame you.

1394
01:04:33,437 --> 01:04:35,236
You're angry
that it's taken so long,

1395
01:04:35,305 --> 01:04:37,038
- And you're angry at terrance.
- Yeah.

1396
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,174
I'm grateful for everything,
but it's just hard.

1397
01:04:40,211 --> 01:04:42,777
Just know that your community
is behind you.

1398
01:04:42,847 --> 01:04:45,246
And y'all should know
when we would knock on the door,

1399
01:04:45,449 --> 01:04:48,850
People would go, "y'all gotta
get justice for miss dale."

1400
01:04:48,919 --> 01:04:51,919
Good.

1401
01:04:52,122 --> 01:04:55,056
Now I know the community
was behind it the whole while.

1402
01:04:55,125 --> 01:04:57,660
Yeah. It's gonna
be all right, son.

1403
01:04:57,861 --> 01:04:59,594
They got him. They got him.

1404
01:04:59,664 --> 01:05:01,130
The person who done it to her.

1405
01:05:01,331 --> 01:05:04,332
Same person you kept telling me
from five years old,

1406
01:05:04,534 --> 01:05:07,368
And I held my breath
for 15 years.

1407
01:05:07,437 --> 01:05:10,405
Siegler: This case
is a beautiful reminder

1408
01:05:10,607 --> 01:05:14,075
Of why it's important for us
to keep working on cold cases.

1409
01:05:14,277 --> 01:05:16,811
Every family deserves justice.

1410
01:05:16,881 --> 01:05:18,680
All communities need answers.

1411
01:05:18,749 --> 01:05:21,150
It's like dale said,

1412
01:05:21,351 --> 01:05:23,886
Just to be able
to breathe a little bit easier.

1413
01:05:23,953 --> 01:05:25,654
- Thank you.
- You're welcome, baby.

1414
01:05:25,823 --> 01:05:26,621
Yes, ma'am.

1415
01:05:28,158 --> 01:05:31,226
<i> ♪ this moment, I own it ♪</i>

1416
01:05:31,294 --> 01:05:32,895
<i> ♪ this one's for me ♪</i>

1417
01:05:33,096 --> 01:05:35,164
<i> ♪ it's my story ♪</i>